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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Democrat rats fleeing Kamala's sinking ship
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Thank you.
Thank you.
But what she will do, the question about her legislative priorities, name one.
There wasn't one.
You know, some more of her personality and her sort of character questions about your weaknesses or what mistakes did you make.
Not necessarily the answers there.
Is that Dana Perino?
Jeff, who was that criticizing Kamala for having the worst town hall in political history?
Dana Bash.
Oh, Dana Bash!
What?
Hang on.
You mean the Dana Bash whose husband was chief of staff for Obama at the CIA? Yeah, didn't he sign that letter too?
Yeah, he did.
The felonious 51.
Yes.
But she didn't start working for Newsmax, did she?
Or Salem?
No, but she was forced to watch it like I was, and there's nothing else that you could say about it other than that.
What did you text me last night about it?
I caught last night was the after, where they were all talking about it.
So I'm like, I can't wait to watch it.
So I watched it this morning.
And I can't really read exactly what I texted you.
It was very surprised.
And I said, I can't understand how someone that does this every day gets worse.
I've never seen anybody do a skill that you do every day and you get worse at it.
Now, sometimes I have something I really want to talk about.
You can leave the cameras up, just not so fast.
Sometimes I have a real topic that I want to drill down on because, you know, people do their monologues.
But I like my team and I like to talk to my team and it kind of gets the juices flowing.
And I have to run a theory past you guys.
I heard, I think, who is it?
The bearded chap?
Tom?
Is it Tom on Patrick Bette-David's podcast?
I think he's like the economist guy there.
There's the young guy on his right and then Tom on the left and then Vinny.
We need to get Vince back on.
Jeff, you remember that crazy vet who's on Patrick Bette-David's show, the comic kind of guy?
Vince O'Shama or something?
Yeah, yeah, O'Shanna.
He was on fire.
Let's get Vince back on.
But Tom had this really good observation, and I just want to sanity check it here on America First.
So, Dana Bash, and we'll run clips from Anderson Cooper at the town hall.
We've got clips from Obama's brain trust, right?
David Axelrod.
And they're all hammering Kamala.
If you're 12 days away from the election, what are you supposed to do if your quarterback is caving?
You've got to support them.
You've got to gather around and support them for the last 12 days.
If it's caving and you don't support them, what does it mean?
And here's Tom's take, and I loved it.
They know she's going to lose.
They know she disappears because she's not going to be vice president.
She's not a senator.
Nobody's going to put her on the Supreme Court.
She's an irrelevance.
Tim Walz is going to be an irrelevance.
Anybody associated with her failed campaign is an irrelevance.
And they want to keep the checks coming.
They want to keep getting their contributor at CNN posts.
For the next four years and then hopefully slide into what they think will be a Democrat victor against J.D. Vance.
Look, it's like crystal ballish, but, okay, Jeff, what do you think of Tom's concept that there's been this decision made in the last three days and they realized she's toast and I've got to look after myself?
I agree with that a little bit, but I think there's also a little bit of the mental burnout, that for months you've been doing everything you can in the media to get her elected.
And then she keeps just showing up and screwing up over and over and over again.
So they're just fed up?
You're done.
You've had enough.
You're fed up.
Fed up.
Eric, what do you think?
Am I being too optimistic about 12 days from now?
I don't think so.
I think it's...
The right people at the top of the Democratic ladder always knew she was trouble, right?
She was horrible in 2020.
She flamed out.
She only got picked for a VP because Biden backed himself into two corners.
First, he vowed at the very beginning, I will pick a woman VP. Then when the race riot started, he said, I'll pick a black woman for a VP. And there's only like five prominent black women in Democrat politics, and she was the only one in the Senate.
Again, according to the reports of the New York Post, right after Biden dropped out, one very big Democrat did not want it to be Kamala.
And that Democrat's name was Barack Obama.
Correct.
And he knew something was up.
He knew she didn't have it.
And that's what they allegedly were seen lip-reading to each other at Ethel Kennedy's funeral.
So, yeah, I think only in the last few days, specifically because of the RealClearPolitics average.
I keep a close eye on this every day.
Right now, Trump vs.
Kamala head-to-head RealClearPolitics, she leads him by 0.2%.
Not 2%, 0.2.
Okay.
Sanity check.
Guy, am I being too optimistic?
What do you think?
What do you think of this theory that the Democrat media is turning on Kamala because they know she's going to lose?
Do you believe it or not?
Yes, sir.
I think over the last few weeks, Kamala Harris' response and also her performance is way over the Democrats' baseline at this moment.
The Democrats' Possibly do not really have any hope even to support a woman who cannot hit the points of any kind of questions.
Well, we're going to give you the evidence of what she did last night at the town hall.
One last try.
Alex, am I being too optimistic?
Does Dr.
G need to calm down and definitely not have a coffee?
No cold brew for me for the next three hours.
What's your take?
I like when you have coffee, by the way.
But hear me out.
Maybe deep down they know that President Trump is a better candidate.
Ooh, can you imagine what that feels like for Dana Bash, for an Anderson Cooper, for David Axelrod, who looked at their 401ks, looked at their IRAs and say, yeah, I think it might have to be Trump.
What if those people vote for Trump?
Here's what I'm thinking, Jeff, do you think a lot of people are going to go to the polling stations and secretly vote for Trump?
No, I think we're past that.
Really?
Look at all the big names that have come out this time, that kind of probably voted for him before and are like basically just coming out, yeah, I'm voting for Trump.
There's a ton of that.
No, I don't mean the big, I mean like average Americans who've been Democrats, voted for Biden, and they're not telling anybody, but in the privacy of the voting booth they're going to tick Donald J. Trump.
What do you think?
I don't think that's as much as it used to be.
I'm so glad there's always Mr.
G who can bring me back with his cynicism.
He can always, you know, bring me down back to earth.
I just went a little bit over my skis.
Just a little bit over my skis.
My gosh, where did that non-monologue go?
Here's Anderson Cooper asking a kind of like obvious question about the last four years at the town hall cut six.
Some voters, though, might ask, you've been in the White House for four years, you were vice president, not the president, but why wasn't any of that done over the last four years?
Well, there was a lot that was done, but there's more to do, Anderson.
And I'm pointing out things that need to be done, that haven't been done, but need to be done.
Is Axelrod actually going there, using the phrase conservatives have been saying about her for years?
Obama's chief advisor just said it.
Cut eight.
The things that would concern me is when she doesn't want to answer a question, her habit is to kind of go to word salad city.
And she did that on a couple of answers.
One was on Israel.
Anderson asked a direct question, would you be stronger on Israel than Trump?
And there was a seven-minute answer, but none of it related to the question he was asking.
And so, you know, on certain questions like that, on immigration, I thought she missed an opportunity because she would acknowledge no concerns about any of the administration's policies.
And that's a mistake.
Not only did he say, Word Salad, David Axelrod, Mr.
Obama's brain, said she went to Word Salad City.
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so the truth will out Eric did the Lotus eaters reach out to you to have me on?
Not yet.
That was like two weeks ago.
Will you...
Carl Benjamin...
Mike's off, Alex.
Right.
Right.
You know who else never hit 50%?
Hillary.
Hillary.
In 2020, Biden broke 50 plenty of times.
I'm going to send you some images that I want to discuss, but let's get Bianca on.
Can you kill my mic?
Mike's off again.
Just need a title for the monologue.
Hang on a second.
Uh-huh.
All right.
She's having her lunch.
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She's got numerous, numerous nominations for an Emmy, but she got hers for her coverage of the royal wedding.
As a former Brit, am I allowed to say that's very, very cool?
I think so.
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Sebastian, you, I mean, brains and beauty.
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Thank you, kindly.
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But first, for those who...
Aren't watching your Newsmax.
Shame on you.
You should be watching not just my show, but also Newsline on Newsmax.
Tell us about your route through corporate media to Newsmax.
Because I have to say this, and I'm not blowing smoke.
You know, I was a contributor at Fox before I was in the White House, after I was in the White House.
There's a problem in our industry.
With people who start to believe the hype of their team and their PAs and their egos outgrow their IQs.
But I don't see anybody like that at Newsmax.
And I know I'm only the host of a weekly show, but I fill in for you guys.
And I just love everybody at Newsmax.
So tell us about what the other places were like and what Newsmax is like.
It's true.
We have this sort of really amazing alchemy here where we say the truth, we report the truth, we can talk about anything.
By the way, I just want to say one thing.
My Emmy, 10 Emmy nominations, they're nominations.
I was nominated for my Royal Wedding coverage.
I did not win, I think, because it was a stateside Emmy.
But I did get a world exclusive with Mohamed Al-Fayed, who talked about how the Royal Family killed...
Princess Diana on the air, and then I started getting calls from exiled MI6 people.
That's another podcast.
So this is why she is who she is.
I'm reading this, her full-length bio on air live in front of three and a half million people, and I'm the one that screws up.
I see this Emmy for the royal wedding, and of course it's a nomination, but she doesn't just let it fly.
She corrects me because she is the antithesis of fake news.
So that was just a test, Bianca, and you passed the test.
Well, thank you.
I try to pass every day.
I try to do my job, which is reporting the truth and the facts.
You know, I have almost 30 years in the business.
She started when she was 10, by the way, just to be clear.
Exactly.
When I was 17 and I was really hungry and I was trained by a really old school journalist.
His name's Don Decker.
I wrote about him in the book.
Really cool guy, really forced us to go out and get all sides of the story.
Sometimes there's not one or two, it's like 20.
And yeah, I was never afraid of doing the hard work.
And so when I started in the newsroom in Albany, New York, George Pataki was governor.
It was my first job out of college.
I didn't deserve to be there, but Don took a chance on me.
And from there, I went to San Diego after watching, by the way, Hillary Clinton be coronated to her Senate seat.
We can talk about that.
San Diego, I covered the border, and we were actually able to still, you know, expose what was going on.
But what was going on then...
Seb was like, I don't know, just take out for eight hours and see like two illegals.
Now it's like two every two seconds.
But what I really did sort of see under Obama is that, you know, everyone was so biased in the newsroom that they weren't, you know, they were openly illiberal.
They were definitely not taking, you know, a critical look at things.
So I stepped away for a while.
I started my own company.
I did a lot of documentaries.
I traveled extensively.
And it's really allowed me to see a lot of cultures in the world.
And my mother was a flight attendant.
God rest her soul.
And, you know, I always felt sort of, you know, very an adventurous spirit.
So I like chasing down the story.
I found I've known Chris Ruddy since about 2015 after my late night show, which was in 20 Million Homes.
And it just, you know, timing is everything in life.
And we reconnected back in 2000, 2021, and I came to Newsmax.
I've never looked back.
I love working here.
I love the work we do.
I love having you on my show.
You know you're in this book because your quotes Are amazing.
When you come on, you are such a bright light and a fresh breath to everything we're doing here.
Because Seb, this is like heavy stuff, but sometimes you gotta have a little fun too.
And you're really witty with your retorts.
I like the Nancy Pelosi one I added in my book.
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We've only got a minute left in this segment.
We're going to keep you over for one more.
I feel like I'm a broken record because I look at the corporate media, with the exception of Salem, Newsmax, and a few others, and I just see the polling is horrific.
I mean, 75% of Americans just don't trust corporate media.
When is it actually going to have an effect on corporate media?
When are the Bezos' of the world going to say, uh, sorry, my pet vanity project doesn't get any money anymore, and the fact that 400,000 people watch CNN in primetime, when are they just going to go away and die, Bianca?
I don't know.
Clearly, they're holding on.
Like, you know, it's unbelievable, because we beat CNN, as you know.
Yeah.
You know, it's hard for anyone to go out silent, I think.
They are so entrenched with the power structure and the machinations of this Democratic Party.
So yeah, when are they going to go away and die?
I don't know.
It's somewhat gratifying to see sort of the collapse of all of this with this truncated political season, which I write about, because you can't go from saying Biden's the best to Kamala's the best without everyone saying, like, even if there were a few people that actually still believed them, now I think it's all gone.
It's been shattered.
So I'm actually enjoying sort of the veil that's been lifted.
But I guess when you have Bezos and he's, you know, he's okay, you know, wasting his billions of dollars and, you know, you have The advertisers and you have people like, I don't know, Democratic operatives that want NewsGuard to police news stations.
Exactly.
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Oh, Post Hill.
Congratulations.
Nice.
Nice.
Yeah.
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Sorry about the screw up with your Emmy.
Oh my gosh.
Don't worry about it.
It was actually, it's fine.
It's very confusing.
I just wanted to be accurate because you know, when we're calling out people.
Who were you with when you did the Royal Wedding coverage?
They sent me over by myself, and I actually just worked my sources.
And then I got into Muhammad Al-Fayed's house on Hyde Park, and he took me to a Fulham soccer match.
So I was sitting with him, Hugh Grant, all these other people.
And he let me take pictures and take a lot of quotes.
And so, yeah, it was a bombshell because I came out and I reported how he, you know, believes that it was, you know, the royal family that...
Right, took out Diana.
Right, right, right.
And my phone starts ringing at home, and it's all zeros, and people hang up after two minutes, and they want me to shed light on the story.
I mean, it's all real.
When you start seeing that, you're like, yeah, there's a war out there for this information.
All right, I'm going to play your cut from last night.
Let's pick a good one for Bianca.
Let me just hit number two on Amazon.
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Alright, I'll mention that.
That's superb.
Thank you, my friend.
This is so lovely of you to do this, by the way.
Of course, I'm just glad it came together.
Five is the one where the student grills her on the immigrant benefits.
Yeah, it's a bit long, though.
It's a bit long.
It's a C segment, yeah.
Three.
Let's do three.
Three.
I'll tee it up.
I'll tee it up, okay.
I just need a title for the monologue.
Is that Jeff...
No, that's Eric.
Jeff's doing some cuts somewhere.
That's my associate producer, Eric.
Hi.
Nice to meet you, Eric.
Hi.
Nice to meet you as well.
When's your book out, Seb?
Oh, I need to write it first.
I promised I had two books on the back burner and I just...
Just life is too fast.
And I hate it.
They say, hey, we'll get you a ghost ride.
And I said, no, I don't do that stuff.
I don't do that stuff.
Well, you'll know when the time's right.
Well, yeah, let's just win.
We've got 12 days to go.
Let's just win.
Let's just win.
Yeah, I know.
That's the name of the game, for sure.
Play cut three, Eric.
Three.
What weaknesses do you bring to the table, and how do you plan to overcome them while you're in office?
That's a great question, Joe.
Well, I am certainly not perfect, so let's start there.
And I think that...
Perhaps a weakness some would say, but I actually think it's a strength, is I really do value having a team of very smart people around me who bring to my decision-making process different perspectives.
It's like a 12-year-old in high school.
What are your weaknesses?
I just work too hard.
I just spend too much time in the library.
I think she's such a cretin.
She really is.
It's amazing.
How can you not be prepared?
That's like every basic interviewer's question.
What are your weaknesses?
What did you answer when people would ask you that, by the way?
Because I've been asked that a few times.
Oh, I don't delegate well.
That's a good one!
Yeah, I think I came up with that one.
I'm too amazing, right?
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All right, let's talk about the 12 days ahead of us and what my executive producer called the most disastrous town hall in political history.
Here's Kamala Harris being asked a question that anyone who's ever applied for a job anywhere has had to prepare for.
But I don't think she did.
Cut three.
What weaknesses do you bring to the table and how do you plan to overcome them while you're in office?
That's a great question, Joe.
Well, I am certainly not perfect.
So let's start there.
And I think that...
Perhaps a weakness, some would say, but I actually think it's a strength, is I really do value having a team of very smart people around me who bring to my decision-making process different perspectives.
Bianca, that's like the 17-year-old being interviewed for their first internship, and they ask, so what's your weakness?
And they say, I just work too hard.
I just stay up all night, and I just never leave the office.
How did we get this woman as the candidate of the Democrats?
And Sebastian, her answer, which was horrible.
I just surround myself with people who continue to quit.
She has like the most turnover ever.
Oh, come on.
Don't exaggerate.
It's 93% turnover.
I mean, it's 93.
It's not 100.
It is such a terrible answer.
And you know what could have been redeeming for her?
Which is, it's so far gone.
I mean, we're 12 days.
You know, 12 days of Christmas.
We're gonna keep getting gifts like this, I think, from this.
She should have said my cackle.
She should have just come out and said, you know what?
Oh my gosh!
I sound like, I know it's not great, but it's mine, and I gotta just say, I'm sorry.
Like, do something!
She's so bad at being authentic.
And she wanted to put her hand on her chin.
She just was dying to do that.
But I think they've coached her out of that.
But it was an awful town hall.
The more she keeps talking, the more she keeps losing.
Let's get back to you.
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Well, thank you.
If I'm inspiring, it's through something more divine and out of my being.
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Oh, economics?
Yeah, it should be a new one.
I don't know if Jeff did it.
Oh, hang on.
Yeah, yeah, I think it's here.
One second.
I'll call it cut 16.
This is the economics cut, right, Jeff?
The new one?
Okay.
Play it.
Play it.
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Let's ask a man who knows a thing or two about economics and also how...
Minorities may be voting now and in 12 days' time.
My friend Steve Cortez from the League of American Voters and Workers.com.
Steve, welcome back to America First.
Thank you for having me.
Appreciate it.
So do you have any idea what Kamala's economic policy plan is?
Because I think she's on the ballot in 12 days' time.
Does she know?
Do we know?
To have the most important job in the world?
No, we do not know.
The only thing that was discernible, really, in that word salad of hers was when she says that she is supposedly a new generation, when she is, in fact, the opposite.
She is the incumbent vice president of the United States.
She is the representation of the ruling class.
And she is the definition of the status quo.
And all of that means, when it comes to the economy, crashing real wages.
The worst housing affordability crisis in American history.
An inflation that is so utterly out of control that Americans literally cannot afford the staples of life.
And for that reason, in survey after survey, both the ones I conducted as well as the credible public ones that are out there, Three-quarters of Americans tell us that the country is on the wrong track.
She owns all of that economic calamity.
It is hers.
She claimed Bidenomics publicly on tape.
She cannot now try through obfuscation to run away from it.
And, you know, to directly answer your question, no, there has been no definable plan, nothing that is any different than what has already been tried and failed miserably, particularly for working class Americans.
So last night, I think it's a student, I'm sure you watched the whole town hall, but for those who didn't, this question, stunning, stunning, about what she's going to do with your money, my money, and all of our listeners' money.
This is Cut 5 Kamala Harris.
How will you ensure that every immigrant is integrated into American society safely?
What benefits and subsidies will you provide them with?
And how long will these benefits and subsidies last for an individual?
Most importantly, will the American citizens' taxes pay for these benefits and subsidies?
And if so, how much money will be allocated?
Well, thank you, Jackson.
Let's start with this.
America's immigration system is broken and it needs to be fixed.
And it's been broken for a long time.
And part of what we need to do is always prioritize what we need to do to strengthen our border.
I will tell you I'm the only person in this race among the two choices that voters have.
I've personally prosecuted transnational criminal organizations.
Steve, that's just stunning.
She's asked a very simple question.
How much money will you spend on immigrants?
And she says, we have to fix the border regime that she was in charge of for the last four years.
Correct.
And acts as if she's somehow helpless.
When by American statute, this is one place where the president and vice president, the executive branch, can act with tremendous authority on its own.
I want to make this clear, because I said this previously.
Even when it comes to war, I mean, going to war.
The president, the executive, has more powers to secure the border than going to war.
He actually has to go to the Senate if he wants to declare war.
To shut the border is the explicit authority of the executive.
And she's talking to us about Donald Trump.
It's one of the few king-like powers that is actually granted to the president and the executive branch.
So she and Joe Biden, for example, by statute, they could exclude any foreigner for any reason whatsoever, even some capricious reason, they could exclude that foreigner or group of foreigners From the United States.
So it's an absurdity.
It's totally illogical.
And she's an illogical person and an illogical absurdity herself for her to pretend that she does not have that authority.
But I want to also say this, by the way.
It was heartening to see that young man, Mr.
Weiss, a student at Drexel University, a young college student, ask a really sensible, very articulate, probing question about this.
And when he said he wanted specifics.
How long are they going to be subsidized with our tax dollars?
How are we going to get them to assimilate into American society?
Of course, she completely ignored the substance of the question.
She can't answer the question.
Yeah, she said, I prosecute people in my past.
So we've got a minute left.
There's one real dynamite question that JD has pivoted to in the last couple of days, which I think is genius, that we need to be talking about the whole time.
Help me out on this one.
How do you let 10 or 20 million foreigners into America and have a place for them to live, Steve?
Today, 30-year-olds can't afford to buy a home and get a mortgage, and suddenly you add millions of millions of people who have to live somewhere.
I mean, shouldn't we be screaming that from the rooftops?
Of course.
It is a massive element, a massive propellant of the housing affordability crisis in America right now.
When you bring in millions and millions of people, many of whom have their housing paid for by us, you are going to make an already stretched housing situation Even worse here in the United States.
And it is absolutely one of the foundational elements, not the only one, but an important foundational element of why housing is so unaffordable for American citizens.
It's time for us to prioritize our own people and to take care of Americans, especially young ones, those young aspirational Americans who are looking to buy their first home.
They need to be our priority, not tens of millions of illegals.
Glad to get him back on the show.
He's almost as hard.
No, he's actually harder to get on the show than President Trump.
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Um...
Well, I saw the MAGA hat.
You didn't see what was on the wall on his right?
No, I missed it.
What was it?
He'd framed all his Trump badges for Trump events, which is a bit weird if you were on the DeSantis campaign.
He wasn't on it very long.
Am I wrong?
The mics are hot.
I know the mics are hot.
Okay, just a double second.
I mean, how come he doesn't have the DeSantis badges?
Because you don't need a badge for those.
You just walked right in.
There's Iowa events?
I'm serious.
Yeah, he's not kidding.
He's not.
Just titles for Monologue, Bianca, and that.
Hang on a second.
Oh wow, it's already E. Coming with, what shall we say?
Do you want the phones open for A or no?
No, no, no.
I've got stuff to do.
We didn't do seven, right?
No.
Come in with seven.
Come in with seven.
Yep.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Let's just fix it.
Why is there any ideological perspective on it?
Let's just fix the problem.
To fix the problem, you're doing this compromise bill.
It does call for $650 million that was earmarked under Trump to actually still go to build the wall.
I'm not afraid of good ideas where they occur.
So you don't think it's stupid anymore?
I think what he did and how he did it did not make much sense because he actually didn't do much of anything.
I just talked about that wall, right?
We just talked about it.
He didn't actually do much of anything.
But you do want to build some wall?
I want to strengthen our border.
Jeff, did Anderson Cooper just say to Kamala Harris that so now it's not stupid to build the wall?
That went on for four minutes.
He was trying to help the idiot out.
He wanted her to say that because she needs to have something that's different than Biden on the border.
But she's too stupid to realize it.
That's exactly what happened.
What?
He put it on a silver plate in front of her.
Yes.
He said, do you want to build the wall?
Why couldn't she answer that question?
Because she is an idiot.
I can't explain to you.
I just can't get over that she's getting worse at these.
She does it every day and she's worse.
So here's the question, Jeff.
Because I'm hearing two versions and maybe they're both at the same time.
She's a cretin, okay?
Okay.
Or she just ignores the advice of the people who are supposed to prep her because she's lazy and arrogant?
I mean, the question, what are your weaknesses?
I mean, how does a 60-year-old woman who wants to be president not prep one answer to that question?
It's unbelievable to me.
And even that there with the border wall, at least lie.
Obama would at least lie.
Even Biden in his state would at least lie a little bit.
He would know to do that.
So what is she?
Is she stupid or just ignores her advisers?
I mean, has she prepped in the last...
What is it?
When did that happen?
When did Biden get thrown under the bus?
Was it July?
It's been three months today.
For three months, has she just not prepped once?
Well, she did.
Apparently, she spent like five days for the debate.
Honestly, I don't get it.
She just will not answer any question.
That town hall was like a Seinfeld show.
It was a town hall about nothing.
Okay, Jeff, are you telling me that tonight, for fun, I need to watch it?
I would.
The seven-minute answer on Israel is pretty good because it's nothing about Israel.
And she went on for seven minutes.
All right.
We'll give a little bit of a tease of that in the next hour.
Where did that go?
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taking away the right of people to speak out against him.
Donald Trump taking away the right of political people to run in the Democratic Party against him and his policies.
And he has promised this repeatedly, even when pushed back upon in the final weeks of this campaign.
So, yes.
This is no longer about women.
This is about women and men.
This is about healthcare decisions.
This is about free speech.
This is about the First Amendment.
Jeff, can you help me understand that?
Because you get paid to watch this stuff.
What is he talking about?
The right of men to talk about abortion before an election has been taken away by Donald Trump.
What on God's green earth is that cretin?
What is his name again?
Oh, Joe Scarborough.
What is Joe talking about?
Well, I watched that live.
And if you look at the chyron, you can see that was supposed to be about Kamala's town hall.
So instead of playing clips of that, this is what they had to go to.
They went to House Chicago.
Him a fascist.
And then they talked about it the whole time.
Very, very, very short clips.
Not a lot of mention of what Kamala did last night.
It was all about Trump.
But what is he referring to?
Donald Trump taking away your freedom of speech.
That's another thing.
It's like everything in this network now.
If he said it, they would usually play the cut.
Like when we're always saying something stupid, you play the cut and comment on it.
They take one or two words out of it.
They never play the cuts and they say that he said this.
Okay.
Well, and who's the guy he's talking to?
John Heilman.
Who used to work with?
Mark Halperin.
They did that show together.
All right.
We'll talk about Mark in a second.
But the next cut from his second wife, third wife, I don't know, Mika Brzezinski.
So she's talking about President Trump and abortion.
If you diagram out this 39 seconds, I think we have the empirical evidence that this is the stupidest person with a TV camera in front of their face.
Don't take my word for it.
Just listen to Mika Brzezinski talking about women, abortion, and, well, I'll let you judge.
This is the future that we're looking at in the next Trump term, if there is one.
But this is what voters know right now.
That he is killing us.
I'm talking about us women.
He's killing us.
He is putting us at risk.
He is making us afraid to have babies.
He is putting our reproductive health at risk.
And some women have died already because of this.
So we can see right now what's coming.
These headlines and very good reporting, by the way, that shouldn't be questioned by idiots about what Trump has said about Hitler.
What Trump has said about Hitler shouldn't be questioned.
So who's anti-First Amendment?
And let's just diagram out what she just said.
She said what?
Donald Trump is killing us because he's pro-life.
Donald Trump is killing women because Because he's pro-life.
If you're pro-life, you're protecting life.
You're not taking it away.
And who's dying?
The one case, the one case that is being used again and again and again by Tim Waltz and others...
Was of what, Jeff?
You know the details.
A woman traveled across state lines and then took a drug and then bled out because she took a dangerous abortion drug, correct?
Yeah, she was in Georgia, so she went to North Carolina.
Then she took whatever pill it was after that.
It was sepsis that she ended up dying of.
Yeah, blood poisoning.
So they're trying to change it around to that if the law wasn't changed, she wouldn't have went to North Carolina and then she wouldn't have gotten that type of treatment, which is a heck of a stretch.
Let's talk about what John Kelly said.
Let's talk about Mark Halperin first.
Mark Halperin was on Newsmax.
He was on another show doing something that I don't really approve of.
And I called Mark up this morning to tell him he needs to actually tell us what happened to him and what smear package somebody tried to sell him.
So here's Mark's story so far.
Play cut.
I know of one story that's been pitched to a major newspaper and to me, and for all I know, to many others.
That I don't believe is true.
But if it's true, as I said yesterday, it would end Donald Trump's campaign.
What we're seeing in the final days is a point I was making, is actors who want a certain outcome are on social media and in pitches to reporters, and in the case of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg writing himself, are trying to affect the end of the race because they're so desperate to try to pull a Comey.
I'm not pursuing the story.
I don't think it's true.
People in Mar-a-Lago, calm down.
All I'm saying is there are people out there pitching stuff.
I'm not sure what the people in Mar-a-Lago calm down.
So Mark Halperin has said he has been approached, which is weird because he has no media outlet.
He's a contributor on Newsmax.
He's been approached with the story that, if true, would end the Trump campaign.
And Mark says he knows it's not true.
And here's my argument to Mark, and I'm going to say publicly right now.
If you know what this is, you don't have to tell everyone what the smear is because it's a lie, but you need, if you're warning anyone about this upcoming smear in the last 12 days, you need to give us a heads up.
On the kind of smear it is.
Just so people will recognize it once they try and drop it.
Is it another Billy Bush thing?
Is it an alleged audio?
Is it some racial slur?
Is it some false sexual allegation like the PP dossier hoax?
Because you know in the next 12 days they're going to drop things, multiple things, every single day.
How are we going to know which one is the absolute lie that you know empirically is not true?
So my request to you privately and publicly is tell the world the nature, not the details, because it is a lie, the nature of the Samir, so people will immediately know this is the new Hunter Biden suppression, the new Comey, the new Russia dossier, whatever it is, you need to inform people.
The person you mentioned, Goldberg, said, Well, there aren't words I can use on live radio to discuss who this person is.
He's alleging that President Trump used foul language about one of our dead soldiers, and he's sticking by it, despite the fact...
That the fallen soldier's sister says President Trump never said that and it's a lie.
These are the people.
These are the prostitutes, the soulless scum who are so desperate to salvage a potentially unsalvageable campaign that is cratering today.
Jeffrey Goldberg on CNN. Cut 10.
In terms of the sister, I understand why they're hurt by this story, and I obviously feel very sorry, as we all do, for this family.
But the fact remains, when the family visited Donald Trump, as I note in the story, he said kind words and offered to pay for the funeral.
Five months later, when the subject came up, he had very unkind things to say about the funeral.
And I would note that he didn't pay for the funeral.
So, again, I understand the sensitivities around this, but the truth is the truth.
I understand the sensitivities.
What does that mean?
The family of the killed private said it didn't happen, it's a lie.
What do you mean?
The sensitivities.
Are you calling them liars?
Are you saying that the people who lost a loved one aren't telling the truth?
Or do you just think that because you're the editor of The Atlantic, truth doesn't matter?
I remember 20 years ago, The Atlantic was kind of enjoyable.
Today, it's nothing but a rag, a vehicle for smears, for one purpose alone, not just for ratings, I don't know if anybody really reads it anymore, for clicks online, but for one reason alone, to serve a political party.
What has happened to all of these institutions that you think it is fine in the interests of maintenance of power for you and your friends to just say whatever needs to be said so they can keep the reins of control in their hands?
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And then what was the deal, Jeff? Jeff?
He said $100 is a bundle of what?
It's a free yard sign, right?
Free yard sign.
Okay, that's right.
That's right.
That's right.
I would not worry about that Halpern story.
You think he's just trying to make himself sound important?
Well, I'm just saying, look at the last day.
The Mexican story is completely outrageous.
They picked it up.
The Kelly thing, they picked it up.
This new Epstein thing, they've all picked it up.
How outrageous is that story if people are passing on it?
You know what I mean?
It's got to be ridiculous.
Because they're running anything now.
I just can't believe that cut.
Goldberg's script says, oh, facts are facts.
The truth is the truth.
We don't know it's a fact.
He's just saying it.
That doesn't make it true.
Yep.
And the army paid for the funeral, too, by the way.
Right.
Which is standard, right?
Yep.
Cash Patel said it wasn't true.
I know.
And a really bad interview on Fox where it was...
And even...
Pence's chief of staff said it wasn't.
He said the Hitler stuff wasn't true.
And that guy's not a good guy, by the way.
Nick is not a good guy.
Nick is.
The other thing is, if he really thought that, Kelly, why did he wait five years to say that?
Exactly.
Again, it's so slimy that they're acting like the audio of Kelly telling the story is somehow audio of the alleged incident.
That's what they're trying to run with.
Okay, titles.
You know Lord Jane Powell owns the Atlantic?
Who?
Steve Jobs.
Yeah, right, right.
Did you see his explanation?
It was pretty good.
Whose?
The LA Times owner.
No, I didn't see it.
He said to come up with factual things, like supportive of each candidate, and then let the readers decide.
God, that's shocking.
Yeah.
Is that a new owner?
Not sure.
Can we get that?
In the rundown, we have the LA thing, right?
Or was that yesterday?
Can we make a buffer out of it for Matt?
Oh, for now?
Since when does the Daily Caller do these fat articles?
It's the Daily Caller Investigative.
They get really good stuff.
It comes only once a month.
It's a different wing of it.
What comes out every month?
They do like an investigative thing.
It's a different thing, but it's on the Daily Caller website.
Oh, here it is.
Yeah, the Daily Mail article, Eric, near the end of the thing.
Okay, give me a second.
The one about the editor quitting?
Yeah, that's good.
Okay.
Oh, neat titles, by the way.
Bianca, when will fake news just die?
Cortez, the biggest secret about the invasion of illegals.
And then the A Block was what?
Discussing Kamala's Town Hall.
Oh yeah.
Even CNN. CNN couldn't save Kamala.
Oh, do you want a different Kamala cut for Alfredo?
Because you did the other one with Cortez.
No, just cut one.
Yeah, I can hear you.
Can you guys hear me?
Let's hear me.
What else do we know about this population, 18 through 24?
They are stupid.
That is why we put them in dormitories and they have a resident assistant.
They make really bad decisions.
Jeff, that's a really good Kamala impersonator.
Is that the one I asked you to get on the show?
No, it's not that one.
Is that another one?
Is that two really good ones out there?
I think that's her.
Kamala called millennials stupid?
Yes, she did.
18 to 24 year olds.
But I thought she's the kind of bratty youth vote candidate.
Well, it's funny because she got embarrassed by an 18- to 24-year-old person that asked a question yesterday at the town hall that she couldn't answer.
Ooh, the Drexel student, Jackson.
Nicely done.
And the fact that CNN is pitching real questions at a town hall.
Was it the worst town hall in political history?
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Matt Boyle, people here on my team say last night was perhaps the most disastrous town hall for a political candidate in history.
Is Kamala in big trouble, Matt?
Yeah, she's in very bad shape right now in the final two weeks of this election.
Really, less than two weeks.
I mean, it's a week from Tuesday, is Election Day, for a number of reasons.
For Sufter, in that CNN town hall you had, she was asked a number of really basic questions that anybody running for president should have the answer to.
Like, for instance, oh, you know, are you perfect?
And did you make any mistakes?
And then she says she's not perfect, to her credit.
But then she was asked to say a mistake she made.
She couldn't come up with one, which would mean that she believes that she's been perfect over the course of this administration, the Biden-Harris administration.
But then in addition to that, what we're seeing across the board is in the early votes numbers across America right now, especially in North Carolina, Nevada, and Arizona, the Kamala's days or chances of the presidency are dwindling.
They're numbered.
Things are looking bad for Kamala Harris right now.
Republicans are actually leading in early voting in North Carolina as of this morning, in Nevada as of a few days ago, and that's holding, right?
These trends are holding.
Mark Halperin is out there saying that if these trends hold through the election and the Republican votes that are coming in are actually low-propensity voters, which we have every reason To believe that they are, that we're going to know pretty early on election night how this thing went.
Let's stop there.
We played a clip from Halperin on this alleged smear packet he's been approached with, and he says it's garbage, it's a lie, and he's not going to promote it.
But let's talk about that prediction, because this has been a topic of discussion amongst my friends and I for the last few days.
If you look at the early voting figures, Matt, Which is shocking for Republicans.
You look at here in Virginia, 200, 220% early voting, especially in rural Republican areas.
You look at the early voting figures in other places that are shockingly, you know, not Democrat districts, but predominantly Republican ones.
What's your gut?
And I'm not going to, you know, fact check you the day after, but I think We know the numbers of total registered voters.
Even if we don't have full results on the night, we'll know that there may not be enough to really change the outcome.
Is it possible that unlike last time, the day after, we may know who's won on November the 6th?
We might even know pretty early on election night, right?
So, I mean, again, remember 2016, it was like 3.30 in the morning, right?
So, I'll never forget it.
I was there at the Trump party on 3.30 in the morning, you know, in New York City.
So, it's not, and I'll never forget 2020 either, where, you know, it was Saturday morning because I was live on my radio show when the network started calling it.
So, it could be anywhere like that or it could be a pretty early night.
It just depends on how close it is.
And things are looking right now that it might not be so close, right?
Like, so we'll see as things, you know, as the numbers keep coming in and keep developing.
But I will say that what we are seeing is on net, you know, and these are the numbers across, you About a 15% or maybe even as high as 20% swing away from the Democrats towards the Republicans on net.
In terms of the early votes, in cumulative, meaning that male plus in person in these various places.
What that means is that Democrats are down about double digits.
Republicans are up about high single digits.
And the demographic data that we get out of certain places is showing black voters are down and white voters are up.
So women are kind of down, not a lot, but a little bit.
And older voters are way up.
So these demographic trends that we're seeing tend to benefit Republicans.
And the states that have voter registration What about Pennsylvania?
Some very interesting things coming out of Pennsylvania.
What does it look like to you, Matt?
So yeah, Pennsylvania has been, has seen several hundred thousand voter registration swing towards the Republicans away from the Democrats.
And then also what we're seeing is about, so there's two steps in Pennsylvania to early voting.
There's the request for a ballot and then there's the actual return of the ballot.
Republicans are doing significantly better than they did on net compared to the Democrats as compared with 2020.
About 700,000 or more Requests better.
They're not doing as well with the returns, though that seems to be getting a little bit better over the last day or so here.
So what we're seeing is it's about 350,000 difference between the two.
And if Republicans are able to keep that number for Democrats under half a million, I would feel pretty confident if I were the Republicans going into Election Day.
But we'll see.
Again, all of this is different, and you can only read so far into any of this stuff.
Twelve days to go.
We're going to talk about the other side and what she's hemorrhaging in terms of support for her campaign next.
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Seeing Matt, that's an interesting story.
What else should we look at that isn't being talked about?
We'll talk about the Teamsters again.
What else?
Let's have a look what's on Breitbart's front page right now.
I don't even know what we have up right now.
I've been just inundated today.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah.
Who did she talk to?
The Daily Mail?
Was it the mail?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we're all of our Hollywood friends, right?
What happened to me too?
Whatever happened to me too.
Great point.
Alright, I'm sending this to you, Eric.
And you got the LA Times one, right?
Okay.
What else?
Did she give her name or not?
Oh no, still anonymous.
All right, okay.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Who is Tyler Perry?
The actor?
Film producer.
Oh yeah?
What has he done?
A lot of black entertainment.
The Madea series.
You're supposing I know what that is.
Alex, you want to take a stab at describing this one?
Madea?
Basically, like, big black grandma, like loudmouth, foulmouth, violent, tough.
And it's him, as a guy, playing a grandma.
Oh.
Yeah.
Sounds very enjoyable.
It has an audience, apparently.
There's a lot of movies.
Really?
Yeah, several movies, I believe.
Yeah.
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We fight, fight, fight.
We play like we are 10 points down for the next 12 days.
But let's talk about some interesting trend lines, which I think we should discuss.
We've had the Teamsters Union say, we're not endorsing anybody for the first time since 1996.
We have the Firefighters Union.
We have the police, sheriffs across the country.
And then in your wheelhouse, in media, the shocking story from the L.A. Times that they're not endorsing Kamala Harris and their editorial editor.
I don't know what kind of rank that is.
It's such a weird story.
The editorial editor has resigned because of this decision when the billionaire owner said, well, I think our readers should just look at both candidates and decide.
I don't want to read too much into it, but the LA Times that endorsed her as attorney general for California, endorsed Kamala as senator, now doesn't want to endorse her for president?
Isn't that a story?
Yeah, and they also endorse several of the last Democrat presidential nominees in the general election.
So there's them on the sidelines as just another snub of Kamala Harris.
And I think it's a sign that a lot of smart people in this country are concerned that she's going to lose, and they don't want to be on the losing side of things.
And you're seeing the campaign losing momentum and It's like a flat tire, just slowly with surely leaking air, you know, to the point where you're not going to be able to drive the vehicle anymore, right?
She might be able to drive it a little slowly on that flat tire for a little bit longer, but at a certain point here, it's going to be out of air and, you know, it'll destroy the car if she tries driving it.
That's the Kamala Harris campaign.
It's like a slowly deflating flat tire.
And frankly, the smart people in the world get that, right?
Like, you know, most of Hollywood that's endorsing her, it feels like they're checking a box, right?
Like Ben Stiller, yeah, he showed up with Doug Emhoff, even though Doug Emhoff is credibly accused of beating his ex-girlfriend.
The, you know, you've got, then in addition to that, you've got, you know, a handful.
I know she's going to do a little concert with Beyonce and Bruce Springsteen tonight.
And, you know, but again, it just feels like they're all kind of checking the box.
They're not really in it.
Because the vast majority of them kind of think that she's going to lose, and they don't really respect Kamala.
Look, let's put it this way.
Kamala Harris is not Barack Obama.
Say what you will about Barack Obama.
The guy can fire people up.
You see him rapping to Eminem's lyrics in Michigan the other night.
I mean, where's that guy?
Kamala Harris is no Barack Obama.
Everybody knows it.
She's no Michelle Obama.
She has nothing.
She's weak.
And has no charisma whatsoever.
All she is is talking points tornado and even then she can't even get them right.
So the fact is that I think the smart people around the world are recognized that Kamala Harris is a total and complete failure and they've decided to sit this one out, if you will, if they can.
If they have to, they'll go check the box and they'll They'll do their quote-unquote endorsement, right, like Ben Stiller did, and a lot of these other Hollywood and celebrity types are doing.
But for the most part, they're not in this to win it.
What about this thing that you mentioned that Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, finally, the woman that he physically abused, has given an interview to the Daily Mail.
She's still anonymous, but she's actually...
Here's what she said to the Mail.
What's frightening for a woman that's been on the other end of it is watching this completely fabricated persona being portrayed.
Doug Emhoff, quote, is being held out to be...
The antithesis of who he actually is, and that's utterly shocking.
Is this ever going to make it into the mix, or is this going to be suppressed like the Hunter Biden laptop?
Well, you saw Scott Jennings try on CNN the other night, right?
And then the Democrat panelists just shut him down, and they don't want to talk about it.
I hope that it busts out as a big story, and I hope the woman speaks out on the record.
You know, when she feels comfortable to do so.
And I hope that Doug Emhoff has asked serious questions about all of this.
In fact, the other Daily Mail stories about him have turned out to be true, right?
Like, he actually did knock up the nanny.
That's accurate, right?
Like, we know that.
And how is it that we still don't know?
We know that he got the nanny pregnant, and we still don't know who paid for the abortion.
What happened there?
Where are the journalists, Matt?
Well, that's a great question.
I would like to know the answers to this, but it's not like Doug Emhoff is sitting down for an interview with me, but I would love to interview the guy.
You know, I have to extend an open invitation to him and Kamala Harris and Tim Walz and Gwen Walz.
Any of them want to sit down, I would be happy to interview them.
I ask them real questions.
I like what they get from their fake news.
I would pay to see that.
The gauntlet has been thrown down.
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Everyone keeps mentioning Scott Jennings from CNN.
Everyone keeps mentioning Scott Jennings.
Who is he?
He's one of the regular hosts, right?
No, he's on a panel all the time.
I cannot stand him.
Which one is he?
Let's have a look.
He's good now, but he is the biggest establishment.
Is he the white-haired one?
No, he's like 50 maybe.
Oh, the guy who's the one Republican?
Yeah.
Isn't he a faker?
He's good lately, but he was the worst during the primaries against Trump both times.
What was he saying?
Just ridiculous stuff.
Carrie Lake, too.
Like, oh, what happens if she has the election was stolen right after it happened?
It's like, well, the printer's broken 600 different places.
He's like, she needs to shut up or get out and all this stuff.
He's ridiculous.
Oh, advisor to Mitch McConnell.
There you go.
There you go.
Hey, Seth.
Hey, Alfredo.
How are you doing?
Good.
How are you doing?
Good.
Good.
I love the topic.
I'm just going to play you a cut on taxes under Kamala, and then we'll take it from there.
All right.
All right.
Mr.
Ortiz, can you maybe adjust your camera up slightly for a little more headroom on your end?
Sure.
No problem.
Is that better?
Beautiful, thank you.
Perfect.
Which cut was that, Seb?
Number one.
Come in, or you'll tee it up?
Yep.
Alright, tee up one.
Oh, and title for Matt.
I'm sending you the buffer for their website.
Okay.
How did you make the buffer of the LA Times article?
Because it was pixelated again.
I just screenshotted that straight from the webpage.
But what were you on when you screenshotted it?
Your phone?
No, on the Daily Mail right here on this desktop on the computer.
Yeah, that's the problem, I think.
Your phone's much better.
Whenever I send you something from my phone, it's not pixelated.
On a desktop, it screws up.
It's got to be better on a desktop.
No, you're using it.
It's because you're using an Apple versus, I'm telling you, Apple's so much better at good stuff.
Yep.
I mean, just compare the two buffers.
Compare the Breitbart one and compare the LA one.
Look at the LA one.
It looks like somebody rode it in high school in 1990.
I don't see pixelation.
Put it up.
Put it up now.
Put it up.
Put up the LA one.
One second.
Look at the letters.
That's called pixelation.
They're not straight lines.
Do you need glasses?
Look at the letters.
I can't even see it.
Thank you, Alfredo.
Eric needs off tomorrow.
Here's looking at you, Snowflake.
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Kamala was asked about what she would do if she were in charge of the economy last night.
Let's have a little listen.
Cut one.
Right now, Anderson, you know, it is well documented that some of the richest people in our country have gotten away with a zero tax rate.
But if you're earning $500,000, $600,000, $700,000 under your plan, there's a good chance your taxes will go.
We can't have this conversation without knowing that it's a very complicated situation, right?
If you're talking about a small business owner...
I'm going to bring down, cut taxes for small businesses, right?
Because I know that they need the overhead, the money that they need for overhead to actually benefit the growth of their business, which benefits our economy as a whole.
We can't talk about it?
Jeff, wasn't that what Joe Scarborough was saying?
That Donald Trump is attacking the First Amendment?
I think that's what it was, yeah.
And Kamala asked about the tax plans.
Oh, we can't talk about it!
Why not?
It's very complicated.
Are you raising taxes or lowering taxes?
Is it up, up, up, or is it down?
It's like, how many choices?
Hang on.
One.
Two, right?
Two choices?
Well, she grew up in the middle class, though.
Oh, and her neighbors like to cut their own lawns, right?
Exactly.
Exactly.
Okay, well, that's all the answers we need.
Cancel the next guest.
We don't need to know.
We don't need to talk to the man who helps fight every single day for those businesses she mentioned, the lifeblood of America, the small and medium-sized businesses we are delighted to have with us from the Job Creators Network, the one and only Alfredo Ortiz.
Alfredo, welcome back to America First.
Thank you, Seb.
I really appreciate it.
And by the way, the last time I heard it's complicated was a really bad dating situation.
So I don't know.
That's pretty bad.
So we could laugh about it, but we're 12 days away.
And the only thing I've heard is I'm from the middle class and we're going to have an economy of aspiration and opportunity.
I mean, tell us the stakes involved on November the 5th, please.
I mean, look, I mean...
Fortunately, she knows a little bit what she's talking about because she worked at McDonald's.
I see what you did there.
No, I mean, so much is at stake.
I mean, first of all, for our small business owners, we know exactly what Kamala's going to do when she gets in office, which is raise the taxes for every single small business owner.
This is how she's going to do it.
She's going to let the Tax Credit and Jobs Act Which we were so involved in, she's going to let it expire fully.
And that's going to be an immediate 25% increase on taxes for small business owners.
Can I stop you there?
I'm going to ask you a very pointed question.
After the last four years of rampant inflation, the costs of just the supplies, the material you need when you're running a business, after that, if you slap on a 25% increase on taxes for those companies that have survived, what happens, Alfredo?
I mean, they're barely surviving right now, Seb.
I mean, every single small business owner that I'm talking to, I mean, They're just shaking their head, and they just go, I mean, I guess we're going to stay in business.
I mean, they're not definitely hiring, that's for sure.
And if you go back to what happened after the tax on jobs actually passed under President Trump, right, what our small business owners did?
They hired more people, they paid them more wages, gave them more benefits, invested back in their businesses.
Well, guess what?
When you raise their taxes, the inverse is going to happen, right?
So this is not a good situation.
She comes off as trying to be this This, you know, friend to small business.
I'm sorry.
I mean, where has she been for the past four years?
She's done nothing for small businesses.
Talk to us also about what you're seeing amongst minority voters.
We're seeing fascinating things from the unions.
We're seeing the incredible results.
The Teamsters aren't going to, for the first time since 96, endorse the Democrat candidate.
We're seeing amazing early voting figures.
I keep hearing this, that Hispanic voters are culturally conservative.
Are they going to vote culturally conservatively or not?
Yeah, so fortunately, as you remember last time, President Trump got about 36 percent of the Hispanic vote vote.
You know, at the beginning of this year, you know, I went on record with many interviews saying that we could probably get Trump with the right message at 48 to 49% and it's kind of game over.
Well, just two days ago, a Suffolk USA Today poll came out and had Trump at 49% for Hispanics, 38% for Kamala.
And this is really why, because President Trump had the right message all along with Hispanics.
Because guess what?
He understood that they focused on the same things that you and I focus on, which is education, faith, economy, inflation, which is hitting them Horribly, right?
And a lot of those are blue-collar workers.
And so they're feeling all the impacts that every other American that's kind of trying to get through this misery that this administration has put us through, they're trying to survive through that, right?
And President Trump knows what to do to get us out of that situation.
And guess what?
They've all survived that.
You know, through these four years, but they were thriving in the years under President Trump.
And so, small business owners in particular, but minorities, Hispanics, they're going to move to Donald Trump.
And by the way, Seb, if I can also say, on the issue of immigration and open borders, President Trump has that message right, correct?
Addressing the fact that there's criminality coming through a porous border.
It's landing in the communities.
It's not landing in these white picket fence communities, really.
It's landing in the communities that Hispanics live in.
And it's the MS-13 gangs that are coming into the schools.
It's the crime that's hitting the small business owners on their doorsteps.
The crime on the streets.
The gun trafficking, human trafficking, drug trafficking, all that, it's hitting their communities.
They want it to stop.
And so when President Trump talks about stopping that porous border and stopping the criminals and sending the criminals that have gone through back, they want to hear that and they like that.
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You believe Donald Trump is anti-Semitic?
I believe Donald Trump is a danger to the well-being and security of America.
He has said that he's casting himself as a protector of Israel.
Do you believe you would be more pro-Israel than Donald Trump?
I believe that Donald Trump is dangerous.
What are the two answers to the question whether you'd be more pro-Israel than Donald Trump, Jeff?
Like, how many answers are there to that question?
This is the second one we got into.
There's only two different answers, and she can't even answer those.
It's weird.
Okay, so why can't you say, yes, I would be more pro-Israel?
If Donald Trump—what did she call him yesterday or the day before?
Hitler, Nazi, threat to democracy.
If you're asked, would you be more pro-Israel, if he's Hitler— Probably she's better than Hitler, maybe?
That's a very easy answer there, yeah.
So why can't she say it?
Because she doesn't want to offend the pro-Hamas wing of her party.
But she also doesn't want to be associated with them, too, because she thinks she's going to win independence for some reason.
Unbelievable.
On the flip side, President Trump, he's been shot at.
They tried to kill him multiple times.
And does he show any fear?
As a result, he was at a Turning Point event yesterday.
What he did was quite remarkable.
Cut 15.
So I have an idea.
Are you right outside now?
Let's go outside and talk to him.
Okay.
USA! USA! USA!
USA! He
safe inside the building.
Somebody, like, Skypes in from the outside and he says, let's go outside.
It's weird, Jeff.
I watched that footage very, very closely.
And when he walks outside, I didn't see any short, overweight female Secret Service agents.
I think they've made a big difference on that ever since Butler.
Did you see the agent who was closest to him?
Did you recognize him?
No.
Which one was that?
It's the guy in the shades who was right next to him after the fight.
You know in the classic photograph?
Yes.
There's one guy with a short haircut and the shades.
I don't think he's allowed to not be on duty when President Trump is moving.
He was there then and he's there today.
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Bob says I'm supposed to help out with the reorganization report.
Let me rephrase the question.
What the f*** are you doing in my office?
Bob just felt it was crazy not to have a computer in here.
It's not the computer!
It's you and your goddamn desk!
That's what happens when you're on your way to work and you ask your executive producer of your radio show, Hey, I know my guest's most famous movie is, you know, true crime based on his book with the one and only Clint Eastwood.
But I love Clint Eastwood, but I grew up in England and Michael Caine and I want that one.
Instead, I want the movie, A Shock to the System, where he adapted the screenplay.
Just get me a good clip.
Well, of course, it was that foul-mouthed clip.
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We're delighted to have the man behind the screenplay, behind literally a library of books.
I've seen them filling his bookcases at home because he has no ego problem.
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Thank you for coming in studio, Drew.
It's always a pleasure.
So, we were talking about this over dinner just two days ago.
You were asked by one of my guests there, do you get to hang out on the sets of the movies you were involved with?
I've got to know, did you get to meet Michael?
Oh yeah, I met Michael Caine and I actually walked into, I think it was Harrods once, and saw him buying a copy of one of my books.
No!
I walked in and saw Michael Caine buying a copy of one of my books.
You say, I know the author, I can get that signed for you.
You know, I was, as I, I won't say that I quit almost every Hollywood job I was ever in, but I did get into a lot of arguments, and on this one, the director wanted to change the script, and I really was not going to let him change the script.
It's the one movie I wrote that almost is exactly as I wrote it.
So they wanted to change something?
You said no.
Yes, and the producer...
Was it something woke, or was it just like a stylistic thing?
No, no, he was an artiste, and he wanted to make it kind of vague and all this, and it was a very...
It's a very witty murder story.
It's a comedy.
Yeah, and it has a line in it where Michael Caine says, don't everyone panic.
You, you, and you panic.
The rest stay calm, which I saw quoted as a famous general.
I can't remember which one it was.
And I thought, no, I wrote that line.
I remember that line.
He never said it.
No, it was totally from the movie.
What was he like?
I've got to ask.
I'm going to just geek out.
What was...
He was charming.
I only met him briefly because I had, by that time, stormed off the set, and then he came on.
But I met him at the wrap party, and he was charming.
The funny thing about movie stars, somebody asked me last night at this dinner about movie stars.
All my relations with movie stars have been in business, and movie stars are good businessmen.
They know how to be charming and let people talk, and they don't override everybody.
Not everybody, but most of them are very, very good.
So you see them professionally.
But they have large heads.
Everybody is short and have massive craniums.
Paul Newman was this tiny little man with this huge, gorgeous...
Are they bobbleheads or are they aliens?
They're bobbleheads.
They're walking bobbleheads.
They're bobbleheads that have been brought to life by a magic wizard.
There's no question about it.
Okay, seriously, let's start with who are you and what do you do?
Because you're a novelist.
You have written numerous non-fiction works.
I think your greatest is The Great Good Thing, which is your autobiography of your conversion to Christianity, which is an absolutely incredible read.
A secular Jew comes to faith in Christ.
We're going to be celebrating the fourth in your Cameron Winter novels, the newly released A Woman Underground.
But you're a podcaster.
You're a commentator.
You laugh at your own jokes all the time at the beginning of your show.
Because they're so funny.
Because they're so excellent.
So I hate taxonomies, but I'm going to force one on you.
Who are you?
What do you do?
I am a novelist.
All I ever wanted to be was a novelist.
And because I write really, I think I'm one of the best suspense and mystery writers around.
I told you he was modest.
No, I'm very modest.
But I write them for high-level readers, people who really understand reading.
And there have been times when I've had to make my living elsewhere.
And one of those times, I went to Hollywood.
My books were being made into movies.
Clint Eastwood made True Crime and Michael Douglas.
I made Don't Say a Word.
And so I went to Hollywood, and I made my living there, but I was still writing novels.
And while I was in Hollywood, the wars on terror started, and they started to make movies about how the Americans were the bad guys.
And so while I'm out in Hollywood, I start writing articles about how, no, you should not I don't care if you're against the war.
That's your prerogative.
But you should not make propaganda vehicles for the enemy while our soldiers are under fire.
They never did that in Vietnam.
The Vietnam War was over before all the anti-war pictures came out.
And my phone stopped ringing.
I mean, I was doing...
Because you weren't prepared to turn America's warriors into the bad guys as we were fighting the jihadis.
As they were fighting.
And I just thought, you know, it was...
I won't pretend it wasn't tough.
I had to sell my house.
I had to move and all that, because my income vanished.
But I kept thinking, people are getting blown up.
The fact that I'm not being hired by, you know, Harvey Weinstein is not like the worst thing in the world.
But all of this time, what I've always been as a novelist.
So here's the challenge for you, okay?
Conservatives, who are mostly male, do not read novels.
I don't.
It's awful.
So now, I went on Dennis Prager's show, and he never has novelists on, but Dennis and I are pals, and I really like the guy.
It's not like us, where I can't stand it.
He just wants to come here and sell books.
I'm not joking.
He came on the show and said, your only job is to sell books for the next The honesty.
We appreciate the honesty.
Sell novels.
No, your novels!
Yes, my novels.
Prager bought the book on the air and actually bumped me up the Amazon list.
You just believed him.
No, I saw him do it.
I was watching him.
And this was his commitment.
Actually...
Sorry, can we stop it?
Let's just stop.
I've got this stupid long list of stuff I'm making.
Because we're buddies, so it's easy to chat with you.
Although, I need to be able to smoke a cigar right now.
Something's missing.
Okay.
So talk to me about this.
Because you are utterly committed to art for a purpose, which is Western civilization, truth and beauty.
Let's say just truth and beauty through art.
I don't know if I want help, but I just cannot read.
Non-fiction.
I think I'm committing...
I can't read fiction because I think I'm committing a sin.
Yes.
I want my time to be reading, you know, something on national security, something factual, a great essay from the Claremont Review, a classic, maybe dip into a little bit of Shakespeare from my childhood, but I can't sit down.
The idea of me investing tens of hours in a story that never happened Makes me feel guilty.
A lot of people, especially conservatives, feel guilty.
But talk me out of it.
All right.
Here's the thing.
I mean, especially in a moment like this, when politics is so obsessive.
Yeah.
If you are political, you believe that a certain group of policies are going to be the right policy, and the person who represents that policy becomes kind of an idol to you.
You might not think everything he does is right, but you start to...
Becomes important.
He becomes important to you.
That is a perfectly fine political state to be in.
It's a lousy spiritual state to be in.
And so what fiction does, and the arts do, is they take you out of that and put you in a higher spiritual state.
And the more, this is absolutely true, the more fiction you consume, the bigger your life gets, the bigger your spirit gets.
And you can actually deal, you can come back into the political world, because we all are political animals and we should be.
You come back into the political world, but you come back with a broader perspective and more of an appreciation of what you're Decent opponents are thinking about.
But why?
Why does my spirit grow?
And maybe I'm talking against myself here because I'm a massive movie nerd, and I will watch, you know, movies till the cows come out, which are fictional, and I'll very much enjoy them.
But why does reading fiction enlarge my soul?
Is it because the truth is hidden and allegorical, or why?
No, it's because it takes all the middlemen out.
You were talking about Michael Caine.
When I was writing that movie, I had large pages and pages of who this character was.
And the minute I saw the first rushes, the first draft of the movie, I saw Michael Caine.
I thought, Michael Caine is going to create this character.
So I lost control of that character, which is fine.
That's the way a movie works.
But when I write a novel, you are getting a complete other person's consciousness in your consciousness.
And that's incredibly illuminating.
But only if they're as good as you.
Only if they're as good as me.
And that limits you to only a few living authors, and a lot of dead ones.
A few.
Mostly white guys at least four centuries ago.
Almost all British.
Yeah, almost all British.
Or Greeks from even older.
All right, we're having far too much fun.
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Let's talk about the book.
Let's talk about the book.
Fourth in the series, who is Cameron Winter and what is he trying to do in this novel?
Well, Winter is a character.
He was a guy who kind of wandered into government work and turned out to find himself arranging the deaths of bad guys.
He was not the kind of assassin you see in the movies where he knows everything about a gun and all this.
He just would set you up where suddenly your enemies were after you because of things that he had leaked and he became very expert at this.
But one of the themes of the books is that a warrior never comes back to the same country he went off to fight for.
And when he comes back, he finds himself in America very much like America today, where the people in charge are not trustworthy.
The people on the streets are radicalized and had daggers drawn.
And he's not really sure whether his life has been worthwhile and whether the things he did were worthwhile.
Because the country's changed so much.
Because the country has changed so much.
And in this book, he has been trying to work his way back into an idea of what it means to be a good man in a bad world.
I think I prefer the original subtitle.
It was A Woman on the Ground, How to Be a Good Man When Your Country Goes to Crap.
I remember that draw.
That's pretty much what he's thinking, yeah.
And in this, this is a crisis novel.
This is the novel where he kind of reaches his limit.
He sees himself in the mirror, the darkest part of himself, and he starts to unravel.
And as he's doing this, the one kind of idol he's had in his mind, this woman that he's been in love with since he was a child.
They fell in love with his children, and then he lost her.
She comes back into his life, and he has to try and find her.
He realizes she's still around.
She's still alive.
And he goes off to Hunter realizing that a killer is coming after her at the same time.
After her?
Yes.
And this chase takes him into an America at the moment.
It's not the George Floyd riots, but it's very similar to those times.
It's a time when the far left is burning cities to the ground and the far right is gaining credence because of the evil of the far left.
And Cameron Winter has no politics.
He has no God.
He has no politics.
Is that such a human being?
What's that?
Is that such a human being?
Yes, because he's seen politics and he's just alienated from it.
He has values.
He has values, but he doesn't care about your theories or your ideology.
And people throughout the book keep trying to sell him their ideology and he keeps saying, I don't care, I'm just looking for this girl, you know, I just want to find this girl.
That gives me a chance to do something that I've always wanted to do that's very difficult.
You can't write about America today without writing about politics because we're so politicized.
I mean, this is the next question I want to ask you.
Can a decent human being, can a man, live today in a fashion that is apolitical?
Well, that's part of his search in this book and in the books in general.
But what's your answer?
My answer is, in a democratic republic, you ultimately have to make a choice.
But you have to do it with your eyes wide open and without thinking that your virtue is tied up and without thinking that your soul...
You know, you can't sit around thinking that Jesus is judging you on how you vote.
I mean, I think he's got a lot of other issues to look into.
And so that's really the place where he's at.
He's really reforming himself, almost from the ground up, as if he were a kid.
He has to rebuild himself.
And I've always, I wanted to write this book about America as we are without taking a side, without saying, I mean, obviously I'm on the side of good rather than bad, but without saying, you know, this issue can be solved that way, and this issue can be solved that way, without making you feel like I'm lecturing you about my particular politics, just to give you a chance to step out of the world and yet live in the world in a fresh, open way.
When did art on both sides become a function of lecturing?
For the left, it's like patently everywhere, right?
You will have the gay trans character by episode three or we will not pay for this Netflix series.
And this isn't a joke.
My wife and I will tell you, oh, this is a good show.
Episode two or episode three, you've got to have it rammed down your throat.
The trans, gay, whatever has to arrive.
And on our side, on the conservative side...
We do the same thing, but it's just crappy, bad preaching.
It's just the Bible is great, God is good.
Is it just laziness?
Where did we get preachy?
It's not laziness on the right, because the thing is, the left has such a stranglehold on the culture.
That simply to speak the truth, a man can't become a woman.
You have to preach to people.
You have to explain to them that everything they've been told is untrue.
But we can still make good movies, and we don't.
Well, we can, but remember how many bad movies Hollywood makes every year to make one or two good ones.
We don't have that kind of volume.
Yeah, okay.
And whenever people get a chance to make movies, on the right, they start preaching.
Right.
That's why I emphasize that, really, I'm not a commentator who writes novels.
I'm a novelist, and I've been doing this for a long time, and I don't preach, and I'm not selling you anything.
I'm simply telling you a story about the world as I see it, and that's important.
I've got to ask, because you hear this all the time.
Everybody says this.
I have a schizophrenia with writing, and I don't write fiction, but I'm going to try it.
I've written three books, and I detest the idea of sitting down to write.
It really just pains me.
It's like this sword of Damocles.
But when I sit down to write, and this really irritates my wife immensely, I'll be an hour in, and I can write for hours, and I'll say to Katie, I love doing this.
And she'll go, you idiot, you just said for four weeks you don't want to write.
Do writers, I hear this all the time, are writers people who must write, or is that just a cliché?
I think writers are people who must write, yes.
First of all, I wouldn't recommend it as a profession to anybody who didn't have to do it.
It's a very difficult and solitary profession.
And lonely, right.
But yes, people always say to me, where do you get your ideas for stories?
And I think, well, if I didn't have ideas for stories, I wouldn't do this.
I would do something else.
So yes, you see the world in terms of...
In terms of vision, and you have to express that vision.
It builds up in you, and you have to get it out, and you have to do it.
And I think it's funny, because when I started out, the novel was probably the highest form of narrative art there was.
I believe that's still true, but it's no longer as popular.
If you look at the bestseller list, it's mostly garbage.
So, I'm doing something that, you know, is kind of, it's almost a niche profession, and yet I love it so much.
And I think if people start to do it, they start to realize what it is and why it's important, because there's nothing, it's like a soul-to-soul transfer.
There is no other way to get another person's consciousness in your mind except through the novel and poetry.
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I think it's your podcast?
And then somebody asked you...
I saw a little short Instagram clip.
They asked you the same question.
Because everybody wants all these...
The hundred books to read before you die stuff, right?
And I think you did a five-book version of it.
Let's just give a taste of the stuff that is, if you live in our civilization, you must be familiar with.
So you said the Bible, at least the Gospels, and you mentioned one of the letters of St.
Paul.
Was it to the Romans?
Which one did you mention?
It's probably the Romans.
And also, I think the book of Genesis as well.
Genesis, and then Paul's letter to the Romans.
You mentioned Crime and Punishment, because it is the human condition, the morality tale.
It's the book that shaped my life because I was going to college and this moral relativism was coming up, and I read that book and I thought, no.
There is morality.
It's not an easy read, but there are good translations.
And then you said, which is, I mean, probably very obvious, you said maybe watch a Shakespeare or read a Shakespeare?
Well, the way I recommend people take in Shakespeare is if you go on Amazon Prime, for instance, they will give you the BBC versions of Shakespeare, which are simple, but they have great actors in them, Anthony Hopkins and all kinds of...
I mean, I read it in England as a kid, and you have to have a very good teacher.
That's the problem.
But if you see it, then you get the story.
And then if you get the Folger Library copies, they tell you what's going to happen in each act.
And then you can read it and sort of take in the language and come to understand.
It doesn't matter which one.
I had King Lear emblazoned on my brain for a whole semester.
It doesn't have to be a tragedy of comedy.
I think the great tragedies are where to start, Hamlet, Othello, King Lear, Macbeth.
But there are also some great comedies, especially The Tempest, which is an unbelievable play, and Midsummer Night's Dream.
And you know, Shakespeare, somebody wrote a book, a famous critic wrote a book called Shakespeare Inventing the Human.
And I don't think he invented the human, but I think he invented Western man.
That is, I think he was so brilliant that he understood I personally believe, nobody knows this for sure, but I personally believe he was a Catholic in the midst of the Reformation.
A covert Catholic.
Yeah, in the midst of the Reformation, and he saw the history of the next 500 years absolutely clearly.
And so the minute you read Hamlet, you think, oh yeah, that's a character like me, which doesn't happen any time before that.
And I'm so annoyed I didn't prep for this show in your Truth and Beauty book.
You have a one-paragraph summary of Hamlet, which is some of the best writing I've ever seen.
Oh, well, thank you.
Try and reprise that for us.
What is Hamlet?
Who is Hamlet?
Well, it's hard to do, but Hamlet, I believe, is about the Reformation.
He comes from where Martin Luther, you know, started the Reformation.
He's in college there, and he comes home, and he is asked to avenge his father's death, which should be simple.
Somebody poisoned his father, he should be able to avenge his death.
And he can't decide what the truth is anymore.
And so the shattering of the church, the shattering of the monopoly on truth, which has to come, it's an inevitable part of history, but it also puts him in a position where, how do you know?
If your mood changes, the world becomes dark.
And he says that, you know?
He says everything is...
And there is one scene in Hamlet, it's called the mad scene, where he pretends to be insane.
He, in that scene, expresses every philosophy that the left now pushes today.
Moral relativism and the fact that words have no meaning and all that.
If I say it, be it so, you know, a man can be a woman.
Anything.
All of that stuff is there.
And the thing I always joke about is I say at least he was pretending to be insane, where the college professors are pretending to be sane and saying the same things, you know.
What have I left out?
Give us one more thing that is a mandatory read.
A bit of Shakespeare, Crime and Punishment, St.
Paul's letter to the Romans.
The Bible.
What else?
These are the things that would make...
Oh!
Greeks.
The ancient Greeks.
Give us one.
The ancient Greeks.
Socrates.
Yeah.
Plato's four dialogues on the death of Socrates are amazing.
Also, good read.
Guys, you've got your homework.
Get busy.
Plato, The Death of Socrates.
You've got Shakespeare.
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Paul's Letter to the Romans, Genesis as well, Shakespeare, Hamlet, The Tempest, King Lear.
And then something called a woman underground by some guy called K-L-E-V-E-N? No, no E's.
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It's not demonstrable that art at any given time, because it's created by humans in space and time, reflects the society around them.
Yes.
Whether it's functioning well, whether it's depraved or not, it will be reflected like a glass darkly.
And you've discussed...
I wish I could quote exactly...
I'm sure you've done it on more than one episode of your podcast...
The heroes, or rather the anti-heroes, and the arcs of protagonists in popular culture for the last 20 years, and what they tell us about our culture, from the meth lab building quote-unquote hero of Breaking Bad, to the murderous villain of The Sopranos, This stuff drives me nuts because I can't watch it.
I have this big argument with my producer, Jeff, who loves Mafia movies.
And I can't watch Mafia movies, not even The Godfather, because I want bad guys to be killed or imprisoned by the end of the movie.
Even if it's a rogue like Harry Callaghan, I want Dirty Harry to win and the bad guys to lose.
I think you're right that it reflects society.
But my response to you is, do we surrender to that?
Just because society is depraved and we can't have masculine men?
Or are your stories, like the latest, A Woman Underground, can we subvert what the society has become with art that doesn't reflect the current state?
I think we have to show the current state simply to be honest, but it doesn't mean we can't show you where things go if you don't follow the right path.
If you take Macbeth, for instance, as a play about somebody who does evil, But because he does evil, his life becomes meaningless and empty.
And you can show the true state.
You know, Shakespeare isn't saying every villain has emptiness inside him.
Some villains don't care at all.
They have no conscience.
He's simply showing you the cost to your soul on the state.
So you can do that, and I think that is very important.
But, you know, I was doing these anti-heroes.
True crime was a story about an anti-hero.
And I always say it predicted Donald Trump.
And this is one of the reasons I find it odd that you don't like the anti-heroes, because no way he is an anti-hero, Donald Trump.
But he's not.
He's a very special kind of hero.
He's the Ajax.
He's the Shane, right?
He's a good man.
Shane is an anti-hero.
He's a good man.
Yes.
Who isn't accepted by the people he's saving.
That's very different from a Tony Soprano for me.
No, it is.
It is.
But, I mean, in True Crime, the original True Crime, Clint Eastwood would not make this movie.
He would not make it.
In the original True Crime, a white man is put on death row, not because they think he's innocent and they're putting him away, but they need a white man to put on death row to prove that they will execute a white man.
And the only guy who can figure out that the guy might be innocent is a nasty, alienated character who does not fit in with the rest of it.
A womanizing sort of a journalist.
Exactly.
And in the movie, it's a black guy on death row.
And they've changed it.
And the movie in that way doesn't make sense, actually.
It doesn't really, you don't understand why you need this bad guy to do the good thing.
And so, when I saw the bad guys you're talking about, The Sopranos, which I love, I think is a great show.
The Sopranos, Breaking Bad...
When you say it's a great show, for me, there's no moral center.
There is.
There's nobody to root for.
I want to root for the hero.
There's nobody to root for, it's true, but there is a moral center that you can see, just like in Macbeth.
So, for instance, there's one very famous show in it called From Where to Eternity, I think, Where one of the gangsters gets wounded, and another gangster prays to Christ, or maybe it's one of the women, I can't remember, prays to Jesus, if you will bring him back, I will change.
And the guy survives, and the gangster starts to feel the presence of all the people he killed in his life.
His conscience starts to bother him.
Christ is clearly speaking to him, and then he doesn't change at all.
What the show is saying is that people resist change, even if the change will save their souls.
And the presence of good in The Sopranos is very, very clear.
You're just dealing with all the people who will not do it.
They will not live in that moral universe.
And, I mean, there's even a scene where the wife goes to, Soprano's wife goes to a Jewish psychiatrist, and the kind of old Jew says to her, you're depressed because you are ill.
Existing in evil.
That's why you're depressed.
And she can't change either, you know.
And it's just showing you that people who are wrapped in evil get deeper and deeper because they cannot face themselves.
And so it's a very moral show.
It's just a moral show about immoral people.
And I don't think that's a problem.
I don't have a problem with that at all.
I did have a problem a little bit with Breaking Bad and just watching, you know, I mean, he literally gets his manhood from evil.
He starts out, his wife will barely sleep with him, and he ends up saying, I am the man who knocks.
But that shows you where our society was.
Our society was at a place where manhood had been outlawed and only outlaws could become men.
It was?
Why do you say pastor?
Because it's changing.
That's why A Woman Underground is a book about change.
What is the issue of its change?
What's that?
What are the indicators of the change?
The indicators that has changed is that people of high intellect are converting to Christianity.
Okay.
And it's happening all over.
And I've been saying it's been coming for over 10 years.
And this has happened before.
But these are small numbers.
These are the J.D. Vance's of the world.
These are the odd podcasters here and there.
Is this a mass effect?
It's going to be a mass effect because culture comes down from the top, usually.
This happened once before in the 1800s when the same kind of thing.
They had a revolution, the French Revolution.
People abandoned morality.
People said men and women should be the same.
Why do we have to have different sex roles?
Why do we have to have marriage?
Marriage was very much being attacked And there was a thing called the Oxford Movement, where intellectuals at Oxford started to come back to Christ and started to come back to orthodoxy, and then you got the Victorian Age, which in my mind is one of the greatest ages of Western civilization.
So you're not one of these cliched, oh, they were all perverts behind the scenes, Victorian?
No, there were always the same amount of evil in the world, but there was also the society was very creative and very liberating and also made the world a better place.
The British Empire made the world better.
That's the way it is, you know.
It's like, not that they didn't do anything bad, it's that they made the world better.
True crimes?
Trump, explain that.
Well, the point about true crime was only this reporter, who is not wrapped up, tied up by hyper-moral considerations, can see the things that people are doing to make themselves feel moral, but are immoral.
A kind of grown-up version of the emperor with no clothes?
Yes.
An adult with a see-through of the garbage that people pretend is correct.
When I first saw Donald Trump, I could barely stand him because of his rudeness, you know?
But I did say, even then, even though I couldn't stand him, I said, we built a society where only a rude man can speak the truth.
And that is absolutely true.
Wow.
Are you going to write that article?
I've written it a number of times.
Only the rude man can tell you.
Have you written that one?
Many times, yes.
I'm going to rewrite it.
All I ask is name credit.
Michael Knowles is always quoting me by saying, a friend of mine.
He's not a friend of yours, I have a name, you know?
That's his thing.
All right.
I'm just making notes of myself so I can name check him later.
Otherwise, I will not get a Davidoff cigar when I go to his house.
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The new book in the Cameron Winter Series is A Woman Underground.
But they should start at the beginning, shouldn't they?
They don't have to.
I write them specifically so you can read each one.
See?
He's such a capitalist that you don't have to buy all four of them.
You can go backwards if you want to get it today.
It is A Woman Underground.
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Let me ask you a big picture thing, because you are about manhood, about truth, about saving our civilization.
What, and I'm being completely off the cuff here, What is the next phase in all this?
So you're doing your truth through art.
We've had Jordan Peterson do his, look, just tidy your stinking room and take some responsibility.
We need to go to the next level, as far as I'm concerned, beyond making your room or making good TV shows.
What is the next logical step to recapture masculinity and celebrate it as the thing which built our civilization?
Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, everything begins with God.
And when I say that, I don't even mean religion.
Put religion aside for just a minute.
I just mean assuming the presence of a creator.
And the reason I believe in that is because there is one.
So it's the same reason I would tell people to believe in gravity.
You know, you can't see it, but if you walk off the top of a building, the same thing's going to happen every time.
And you start to notice that when you live without God, life goes worse.
It goes worse for individuals, and it goes worse for nations.
And so what we have to start doing is we have to start talking as if there was a God.
And stop talking.
We don't have to talk ideology.
We don't have to talk religion.
We simply have to say, these are the sorts of things that a moral universe is made of.
Give us a concrete example.
Yeah, okay.
The one thing that people do not understand on the right is that everything the left says makes sense if there is no God.
A woman can become a man if there's no God.
You know, because there's no definition of anything and there's no creation that is ultimately good.
So when I was just talking to my son Spencer, we had a book, his book came out at the same time as mine.
Oh, good.
All right.
So his book came out at the same time as mine.
And I was saying, look, when you sell...
It's a meta book, the other one.
Oh, of course.
Well, he's Klavan 2.0.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
But, you know, I was saying, when you go out and sell a book, you are doing something that's actually a good thing to do.
You've been inspired.
You've been given a gift.
You want to give that gift to other people.
But at the same time, you're thinking, oh, I've got to sell my book, and I want it to go up the Amazon list.
And you have to Put that down and live into your higher self, because if there is no God, our lower self is our self.
We're just pretending to be decent people, but what we're really thinking is, give me the money, give me the sex.
That's the idea of the left, and that is true if there's no God.
But if there is a God, this higher person is the original person.
He's the real person, and so you have to Put down the urges that kind of are lower and bring you lower.
And you have to be like an athlete.
You have to train up into this better self that is the self God made.
That's the thing God made you originally.
And so, when the left...
If you read the New York Times, which is high comedy to me at this point.
I love reading the New York Times.
There must be three articles every week.
Telling you how your life is going to be better if you do the kind of sexual things that will certainly destroy you.
So if you bring a third person into your marriage, if you follow your fetish and beat people up, this is going to be great, says the New York Times, but don't have sex with your wife.
They literally say, you don't have to have sex with your wife.
So they're telling you the exact opposite of the truth.
And the reason they do that is because they hate God.
They do not believe in him.
He limits their freedoms.
When you start to think like, oh no, wait, I was made to be something better than I am, then like an athlete, you start training into that better self and you start getting closer to that better self.
So, to turn this into something functional...
We're not going to preach, we're not going to force people into church, but we behave and talk based upon a metric that truth exists.
That's enough.
That's what you're talking about.
Yes, and we shouldn't be afraid to say The reason you say that, Mr.
Leftist, is because you don't believe in God, but there is a God, and this is what that looks like.
And this is the thing where I feel we fall down.
The right has been turning out a lot of books about how we got here philosophically.
And some of them are really good.
Carl Truman is really great at just Katie Gorka's Next Gen Marxist.
Katie Gorka wrote one, too.
She did.
Yeah, that was really good.
I hate to say it, but Michael Knowles wrote a good one called Speechless.
It also shows how we got here.
But they don't deal with the next phase, which is saying, now, what do we say?
And I think that we can reason that forward.
What does it mean to believe in God?
Aside from the rituals, aside from the prayers, aside from the church that you go to and your particular sect, what does it mean to believe in God?
And I think it means to believe in the higher man as the real man and the lower man as the false man.
I think it means that you believe that death is not an end.
And I think it means that you have a system of morals for which you are willing to suffer.
That suffering, just like in the gym, suffering is not always a bad thing if it builds you into something bigger than you would be otherwise.
Well, I didn't get to all of the items on my list, so he'll have to come back.
I wanted to ask him about the thing we started to discuss over dinner.
Was Jeffrey Epstein murdered?
We didn't even touch upon that.
We could spend an hour on that one.
And I touch upon it in my novels.
Well, of course he does.
And he wants me to mention it again.
That's why he did that very subtly.
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And then the other thing, just with regards to the belief in God, and we've discussed this offline, I just have to say this.
Those who don't believe in God are just eminently stupid.
I don't care whether you're Richard Dawkins.
I don't care if you're Stephen Hawkins.
I look at a flower.
Forget a baby.
I look at a flower, and I know God exists.
These people are cretins, and we will end on that note.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
This has been a fabulous one-on-one.
The book is A Woman Underground.
Get it today.
I failed to do it because I don't want it going to his head.
It'll get even shinier and bolder and bigger.
Probably, how do I say it, my favorite domestic podcast.
Listen to Andrew Claven.
Along with Red Pill to Get America, those are my two favorite podcasts.
I love trigonometry out of the UK, but you get a laugh and you'll actually feel smarter after you listen to the Andrew Claven show and after you read his book, A Woman Underground.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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