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Jim Hanson LIVE: Revolutionary weekend

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	the Hey folks, I am delighted to be sitting in Seb's chair as usual on my booster seat, because he's a giant.
	But America First is a great place to be on this revolutionary weekend.
	And that's, I themed the show a revolutionary weekend, because I'm kind of feeling it.
	I think right now we are at a pivotal moment for this country.
	It is abysmally obvious that the people running it right now on the left are not just incompetent, but they're purposely destroying this country to, as Barack Hussein Obama told us, fundamentally transform it.
	He left off the next part, which is into a socialist craphole that they rule.
	Well, we're not going to allow that.
	And that's why America First Radio exists.
	That's why Seb does what he does when he's not, as he is now, up in Alaska driving a giant cruise ship around with 400 of the listeners from this show.
	What we're doing, though, is a counter revolution, a you could call it a second revolution, whatever you want to call it.
	But the bottom line is we are the ones who can take this country back because the left has institutionally captured the most important institutions and organizations in this country.
	They run the permanent bureaucracy, the deep state.
	They run the media.
	They run our popular culture.
	They run our education system.
	And they're using all of those organs of power to destroy our way of life.
	And I've had enough.
	So I don't have any qualms at all about pointing out that this is a counter-revolution or whatever you want to call it.
	And recently, President of Heritage, Kevin Roberts, actually said this in an interview on Real America's Voice, calling it a second American revolution.
	The reason that they are apoplectic right now, the reason that so many anchors on MSNBC, for example, are losing their minds daily is because our side is winning.
	And so I come full circle on this response and just want to encourage you with some substance that we are in the process of the second American revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.
	And guess what?
	It is a second American revolution.
	And the part that the left, all MSNBC and all the rest of those clowns lost their minds about is when he said it will remain bloodless as long as they want it to be.
	Well, that's just a fact.
	That was one of the major principles of our founding, was that we would not ever allow a government to become so tyrannical that they were abusing state power to throw political opponents in jail and other things like that.
	I actually, a couple years back, wrote a book using a slightly different metaphor, winning the Second Civil War without firing a shot.
	That's the goal.
	We don't want This to get kinetic.
	We don't want it to be a war.
	No one should.
	But no one should doubt that if it comes down to it, and they go too far, if they, for example, win the next election, and somehow Joe Biden or Kamala Harris get to appoint three Supreme Court justices or worse, pack the court, and then they begin shredding the amendments that matter.
	Oh, oh, oh, hate speech?
	Yeah.
	Hate speech is definitely not covered in the First Amendment.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	That's not part of it.
	And then, all of a sudden, they can take criminal action against people for things they're saying.
	They can censor us, and they can continue to do that.
	And you know they're coming for the Second Amendment.
	They can't shut their mouths about that.
	So what we need to do is adopt that revolutionary mindset.
	Without violence, because that's what differentiates us from them for now.
	But we need to win the game using the current constitutional process, which is in our favor.
	OK, we still have freedom of speech.
	We still have Second Amendment rights.
	And right now, the Supreme Court generally gets things right.
	They happen to believe that that dusty old parchment in the archives actually has words on it that matter.
	That it's not something you can just apply a little whiteout to say, oh, well, that was a bunch of white men in dusty wigs who were writing that stuff.
	It doesn't matter.
	No, the principles that are enshrined in our fine founding documents Have not changed one bit.
	Some of the details from the founding we got wrong.
	Slavery was obviously a mistake, right?
	Women didn't have the right to vote.
	There were some things we did that at the very beginning needed to be changed.
	And they were.
	We have evolved as a country.
	We have progressed, just not in the way the left wants.
	We are not going to progress into a place where we threw off the yoke of monarchy and the tyranny it involved to trade it for the oppression of a bunch of leftist statists who want to tell us how to live our lives.
	We're not going to do that.
	So here we are.
	We are gathered in this forum to go ahead and talk about how to do that.
	And like I said, I have a positive attitude right now.
	I think the things we've been doing, and first of all, first we had to wake up.
	All right, they had wokeness, which actually had had the unintended consequence for them of awakening the silent majority, which is us and most of our friends.
	The thing about the right, we were always too busy living our lives, assuming that no one was crazy enough, you know, to do things like institute discrimination through DEI so that it was once again legal to discriminate on the basis of your skin color.
	Just against white people, though.
	So nobody thought that was possible.
	Who would have considered for a second that they'd be teaching kindergartners and preschoolers and young elementary school kids about queer theory?
	And the idea that, oh no, gender is whatever you want it to be.
	Yeah, no, today you can be a butterfly.
	We wouldn't have considered that.
	But the problem they had was their wokeness went too far and it awakened us.
	And that's been going on.
	It's been going on for a while.
	Trump brought it to the forefront when he became president.
	He reinstituted a fighting spirit.
	He did what the Republicans had been unable and unwilling to do, which is actually stand up to the left and fight and beat them at their own game.
	You know, they wanted these rules.
	They chose these rules.
	Well, guess what?
	We can play by these rules, too.
	And the difference is, we have the advantage.
	Our ideas are not bat guano crazy like theirs are.
	All right?
	We don't have the idea that a man can become a woman because it's just what he feels like today.
	You know, we don't have the idea that cutting the Sexual organs off someone is a good idea.
	We don't believe that because there aren't enough black CEOs we should discriminate against people based on the color of their skin and bring more people in.
	Those are things that are fundamentally wrong.
	We're on the right side of every one of those arguments.
	Let alone, you want to go to the point, should our nation have a border?
	You know, should we not spend every dollar bill, hundred dollar bill, trillion dollar bill that they can convince the Treasury to print?
	You know, there are a million things.
	I can't think of a leftist policy that we don't have a better alternative for. So now that we
	have been awoken, now that we are in a counter-revolutionary mindset, we can beat them at
	this game. And the best thing is, I don't know if you've been watching, but they are doing a
	pretty good job of beating themselves.
	I don't know what to say. The Democrats right now and large segments of the left are helping them.
	They've just gone bat crazy. And now Biden is not even, he's just decrepit.
	So you've got nobody driving the ship.
	Seb's driving his boat up in Alaska.
	You've got nobody driving the Democrat ship.
	And I think what we need to do is just focus our efforts on making sure that in the upcoming battle, which is underway right now, that we prevail in November.
	Let's not worry about it.
	You can't worry about the counting right now.
	What you can worry about is making the point that the forces of right are right and that our side needs to win in November.
	I'm Jim Hanson.
	We're doing America First Radio here on this revolutionary independence weekend.
	Hi Rumblers!
	Almost 500 of you already watching.
	Right on.
	Because it's hot.
	I was happy.
	It's too hot here to go outside.
	It's definitely... It was raining a little bit in my area, though, yesterday.
	Surprisingly.
	I needed some.
	I haven't been able to water my lawn.
	But thank you.
	I want God to water my lawn.
	Put some pants on, brother!
	I'm not putting anything on!
	Fourth of July getting rained out.
	Wouldn't that suck?
	All right.
	Colonel K, can you hear us?
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	Put some pants on, brother.
	I'm not putting anything on.
	Be right back.
	Oh, perfect timing.
	Flying Wombat in the rumble chat says, anyone else read Kurt Schlichter's latest column in Town Hall?
	I thought it was a great column.
	Make sure when Kurt comes back he knows the mics are live.
	And the breaks.
	Oh yeah.
	And the rumble.
	What?
	No, why?
	Greatest.
	Love hot mics.
	Uncensored is best.
	Again, that's why I love that Trump golf course video.
	It does nothing but make him look good.
	There was someone on Twitter that was saying he should drop out on the race because of that.
	For that video?
	One of those stupid, like, young progressive guys that's, like, all over TikTok.
	Because of the way that he talked about our first black female vice president.
	Was it that Harry Sisson guy?
	No, but it was like that.
	That shit is insufferable.
	I thought it was an AI question for the longest time.
	There he is.
	And the mics are hot, by the way.
	Hey!
	You're in Texas, aren't you?
	Yeah, I'm in Texas.
	It's a whole new world, man.
	It's a little hot.
	You gotta slide the tape.
	Oh, there we go.
	We got you in the full shot.
	On the full shot.
	Oh my gosh.
	Right on.
	Looking good, looking good.
	Did you blow anything up yesterday?
	This is the jacket from the suit that Tom Sauer bought when I was at his wedding party.
	I found it works really well on TV.
	Is that the one you fell, who fell in the rose bush?
	Yes.
	That was you?
	That would be me.
	Yes, it's all ripped in the back.
	Dude, you gotta have your TV closed.
	They don't have to do anything else.
	That's true.
	If you want it in the two-shot, you gotta get it right next to you.
	We'll put it up on the screen, though, too.
	Yeah, we have an image.
	No, we want it, we want it, let's get his maximum pimpage.
	That does look pretty great.
	It's time.
	Max pimpage, baby!
	Heat attack, yeah.
	Nah, it looks good.
	All right, 70 seconds.
	Right on.
	Well, I figured we'd open with your column and then go to political warfare after that.
	All right, let's rock and roll.
	I mean, dude, there's so much.
	I almost feel guilty.
	I got over it pretty quick.
	It's been a news-rich environment.
	Right?
	Everything is going cuckoo.
	I was actually taking a nap and my phone was supposed to put the alarm up 10 minutes ago.
	And like two minutes ago, I'm like, what time is it?
	Where's the alarm?
	And apparently I silenced it.
	And I was like, oh shit, he's going to call me right now.
	Sleepy Kurt.
	Rule number one in military, you're wide awake the second your eyes open.
	I know.
	I wasn't sleeping.
	25 seconds.
	TENSE MENU!
	I'M TRYING!
	Do it.
	Ah.
	No.
	No.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo. A very special
	guest. Uncle Jimbo, a very special guest. Welcome back to America First with our very
	special guest, Uncle Jimbo. A very special guest. Welcome back to America First with
	our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo. A very special guest.
	Welcome back to America First It's Jim Hansen.
	It is Jim Hansen, sitting in for Dr. G, who is busy killing grizzly bears with his bear hands up in Alaska.
	Hey, but we do have my buddy, Kurt Schlichter, who is not just a former military guy, but the author of a book that if you haven't read, you should, because it will scare the crap out of you and get your mind right.
	It's called The Attack.
	And it's about what could happen to us like what happened in Israel.
	Because we are nothing but a giant collection of soft targets with no borders.
	Welcome to the show, brother!
	Hey, thanks for having me.
	Of course, you're too modest.
	You and the good doctor were both important sources for the attack.
	And you actually told me some stuff I didn't put in the attack.
	Because it's not too helpful.
	It is to help you learn how not to be a victim.
	Yeah, I hear you.
	It's scary.
	One of the things I've done in the past is look at the weaknesses and vulnerabilities, and unfortunately we have too many, so we should change our mindset.
	Now, to do that, one of the main things we need to do is fix our military, because they've broken it.
	They've woken it.
	They've broken it.
	They've turned it into a pride parade and pronoun practice.
	I won't use the word, I want to use if I'd version of what it used to be.
	But for you, you were thinking about it.
	Yeah.
	You were thinking about ways to fix that in your town hall column this week.
	And I want you to give us, give our listeners the gist of, of your idea.
	Leadership, right?
	It is leadership.
	And the, uh, the column is a kind of, I don't remember the title.
	What is it?
	Uh, there's a, there's a word for what we need at the military.
	It's called leadership, a lost and dying art.
	And it's certainly on the entertaining command needs to be energized.
	Obviously, there's no energy in the executive right now.
	It's not something we need to see.
	But what's he kick off for?
	So he's done for the day.
	But look, we need a secretary of defense who's not a useless sack of garbage like Roy Austin.
	We need one who's a leader, and we need one who's led troops before.
	And I think—and I don't think you always need a ex-military person as secretary of war.
	I would change things back to that, too.
	But this time you do, you need somebody who knows how to lead.
	You need somebody to come in and take command.
	And I don't mean take suggestion, or take, well, I'll think about it.
	No, take command.
	Get in there, have a vision, express your intent, enforce it ruthlessly.
	And that's the subject of this 2,000-word backdrop.
	You'll love it, Jimmy.
	I actually had an Army general send me a little thing.
	I'm so-and-so.
	I'm an ex-general, and I approve.
	And I'm like, I'm not used to making generals happy.
	Right.
	I've made a career out of making generals cry a little bit.
	But all right.
	Now, one of the things you and I have talked—Seb keeps trying to convince himself someone's going to put us in the Trump administration.
	Not even at gunpoint.
	You couldn't with an F-35 put me in an administration.
	But we did offer to be the Bobs from office space and go in and empty the Pentagon of all the wastes of human protoplasm and oxygen thieves who currently infest it.
	Now, I guess, let's talk some specifics.
	The first thing I'd do is I would make DEI illegal.
	I would remove every single dime or reference.
	If you bring that up, you will be thrown out of the military.
	Yes, and it's a very simple direction.
	Simply go day one, you look at all the Joint Chiefs, and you go, OK, DEI is over.
	And this will be transmitted through the actual chain of command, because the Chiefs aren't in it.
	But you'll talk to the Chiefs first.
	But you say, DEI is done.
	And the important thing is, I want you in one week to report to me that you have seen that it is done.
	That way it's now your booty on the line because you're the one promising your commander
	that you have done what he has told you.
	I'm very big on accountability.
	When I commanded, I expected people to...
	Now, I wasn't one of those orders-yelling guys, right?
	It was very rare when I would say, I order you to do this thing.
	I mean, that never happened.
	It was, hey, I'd like this done.
	I want you to call me in 36 hours and tell me it's done.
	And that puts the person I'm telling on notice that it is now your problem, not mine anymore.
	And I expect to hear those words.
	Yes, sir, I have completed your mission.
	Yeah, I want to hear it's done, or these are the things that are stopping me from doing it that I need your help to accomplish.
	Short of that, pack and leave.
	Exactly.
	A commander's job is to facilitate his people's accomplishing of the mission, set the mission, and help them accomplish it.
	I'm having a problem on X, Y, and Z.
	I need your horsepower to come down and make it happen.
	Roger, okay.
	I can do that.
	And that's the fun part.
	Somebody's not handing out volleyballs at the RAC Center for the big volleyball game?
	I'll come down and redirect that person to hand out volleyballs in a timely and efficient manner.
	I can do that.
	So, the DEI piece...
	Yeah, the DEI piece, I think, now at some level, there is a need to go ahead and acknowledge the fact that we want to reach all possible parts of America to be included in the U.S.
	military.
	But that's a recruiting job.
	That's not a job once they're in.
	The military is supposed to be the world's greatest and was when we served.
	The greatest meritocracy, because you weren't judged based on your skin color or sexual preference.
	You were judged on whether you got the job done, whether you could accomplish the mission.
	Exactly.
	And that's what you're doing.
	When you say, no more DEI, you're not saying, okay, go out there and hassle gay people.
	No.
	You're saying, we're not going to spend, you know, an afternoon, a couple afternoons a week celebrating Pride Month.
	Okay, all right deep pride in the United States military comes from being able to kill the enemy We're going to celebrate that That's what we're going to do.
	We're not going to have you know, we're We're not going to have people spinning their wheels, talking divisive garbage.
	And everybody will respond to that.
	Color, gender, whatever, they are all going to respond to a military that kicks booty.
	That's why we got in.
	Look, you and I were in the 90s Army.
	The military of the 90s was the most lethal military force in all of human history.
	Uh, what they did in Desert Storm, uh, should be studied in military academies.
	Of course it isn't because it's not woke.
	It's that boring army stuff.
	Uh, it's only about victory, but, uh, you know, the real challenge is climate change!
	The weather in a hundred years!
	You know what's funny about Desert Storm is that's probably the greatest example of logistics, you know?
	Morons talk tactics, people who win talk logistics, because we moved so much gear into that theater that there was no place anyone could go, and we just rolled the smallest piece necessary into combat, and the rest of it scared them.
	Let me tell you a quick story that I think sums up.
	You'll appreciate it, and all Terry people will appreciate it.
	I'm on Tapeline Road, Northern Saudi Arabia.
	I was with 7th Corps Headquarters, or my platoon was attached to it.
	And I come over the hill into a wadi near Wadi al-Batin.
	And there is nothing as far as I can see.
	You have Dirk and you have Scott.
	Nothing.
	Three days later, okay, this is right before the ground war, I come over that same hill.
	From horizon to horizon are little bases full of stuff.
	American stuff about to go forward.
	Okay.
	Power is having a battalion of tanks that you can point at something.
	That's power.
	Superpower is moving a city to the middle of the desert and then fighting that city.
	That's the difference.
	That's it.
	We need lethality parades, not pride parades.
	All right, we're talking with Kurt Schlichter, author of The Attack, town hall, senior columnist.
	We'll be back after the break to talk political warfare.
	I'm Jim Hanson.
	This is America First Radio.
	Right?
	Oh, that's actually not a bad idea.
	Right?
	That would be a great backdrop.
	Kurt's got a pool.
	He's got a whole thing.
	When are you guys coming back?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Um, we...
	I don't know, man.
	Things got changed.
	I'm getting floors in the house.
	Oh, you and me both.
	Dude.
	Dude.
	I just got another.
	Hey, we need you to pick out the vanity slab.
	And I'm like, oh, kill me.
	All right.
	So you know, the whole ground floor of my house, right?
	Including the back bedroom.
	All of that has to be emptied because it's getting an epoxy floor.
	So my music room, the living room, the kitchen, the Dining and the bed. Are you doing pods or something?
	I think we can fit it all in the garage if I move the car out
	So but whatever dude now my whole house has to get deassembled for
	Anyhow, yeah, I'm a little sad about that Well, I've been to your house.
	You have a nice house.
	I don't know why you need a new floor.
	I know why I need a new floor.
	If you came back and looked at just the floor, you'd know.
	It's 1946 Terrazzo and it's horrible.
	But the rest of the house distracts you because it's so shiny and white.
	You know what I mean?
	Yes, it is very shiny and white.
	By the way, our mutual friend Tim Young, I mentioned you.
	He said, oh, Tim's a great guy.
	I don't have anything bad to say about him.
	That worries me a little.
	He's been to your house, though.
	He was like, yeah, his house is really white.
	I'm like, I know.
	It's really white.
	Somehow, I hope Media Matters gets this, and all of a sudden, Hanson and Schlichter have a white supremacist compound in Arlington.
	It is white, leather, and chrome, and it's a modern house, is what we're talking about, Media Matters.
	Okay, little Zachy-poo.
	I love what Sav used to do.
	Zachy Poo, get your transcript for Media Matters.
	They told you transcripts were important.
	He also praised your Ethiopian food catering.
	Really weird, wasn't that weird that Sam's Ethiopian friend, who is not particularly white,
	was the one cooking amazing chow for everybody at that party and doing Ethiopian coffee.
	And dude, that was awesome.
	I know, I was like, I don't remember that party.
	Then I remembered I live on the other side of the country, and I went to a party in Germany.
	I've never had Ethiopian food, but I'm like perfectly willing to experiment.
	I mean, dude, they do.
	You'd think it's weird until you get to the fact that a lot of it's just meat cooked in
	a pot that you grab with bread, you know, so it's like communal.
	I like that.
	I like me.
	I know.
	I know.
	And then there's a lot of weird stuff that you can push aside.
	You know I like me.
	Yeah.
	But is it a New York?
	Is it a Ribeye?
	Who knows?
	Right?
	Oh, dude.
	I can't believe I got smoked here.
	Everybody, he comes to my house.
	I cook him these New Yorks.
	He insists it's a ribeye.
	I literally root through my trash to find the package.
	That was the other way around.
	It was the other way around.
	You told me it was a ribeye.
	I said it was a New York.
	Because they cut the cap off.
	For those of you who know steak.
	Oh yeah, that's right.
	They cut the cap off so it was just a ribeye, not the full rib steak.
	And so I thought it was a New York.
	He is like a wreck.
	I was wrong.
	He did.
	He dug through the garbage to prove me wrong.
	And fortunately I was wrong.
	30 seconds.
	Welcome back to America First with our very own very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hanson.
	And I'm digging the Skinner on this revolutionary weekend.
	We are back with my good buddy, Kurt Schlichter, author of The Attack, a cautionary tale about what open borders could lead to, basically an Israel-like invasion and attack, killing a lot of innocent civilians.
	So let's talk to how to prevent that through the larger game of political warfare.
	Dude, are you having as much fun as I am recently?
	Is this just a cornucopia of comedy?
	It is so delightful.
	First of all, I mean, it's got it all.
	It cripples the Democrats.
	It shows for everyone to see, not just us politically active folks,
	the total moral bankruptcy of the regime media because they knew this guy was senile
	and they lied about it and lied about it.
	And now they're like, wait, how come you've misled me?
	They literally had to wipe his drool off their microphones you know, when they interviewed him.
	They're like, no, no, no, we didn't know he was a dementia patient.
	My favorite is the New York Times is using the same clip that it called cheap fakes two weeks ago.
	They're raising troubling issues about disability relief.
	You know, those same troubling issues were present and raised in 2020, for God's sakes.
	He's not been well for a very long time.
	He's just totally incompetent now.
	All right, so now, all right, let's go right to the crux of it.
	Do they 25th him?
	I mean, if they can't push him out of the way.
	I said from the beginning, I think he's going to stay because logistically it's hard to move him.
	I am less certain now.
	I think there is a chance though it's more likely not he stays,
	I think there is a chance they convince him to drop out of the race.
	He will never resign the presidency.
	They will not 25th him.
	They're going to hope they can white knuckle it through January.
	I wonder if the Mullahs and Xi and the fat guy in Korea and Putin, I wonder if they're all gonna play along with it.
	I do think, however, the bad guys are looking at it and I'm not really sure what's gonna happen
	because there is a giant chance of overreaction.
	Because the people who are in charge may be so scared that if we start getting up, they may overreact.
	So in a weird way, his own absolute incompetence and inability to perform as a man in any conceivable way is actually making it safer for us And you would otherwise think, though, not safe in an absolute sense.
	So now the thing is, okay, if I don't think they got an option besides Kamala.
	If they push her out of the way, I think they're totally.
	So they're stuck with her.
	No, get Gretchen Whitmer in.
	Come on!
	No, they can't.
	I mean, they can't do it.
	So they're stuck with her.
	And the thing is, he doesn't want to be remembered as the guy who left office because he was too decrepit to do it.
	So he won't get out of the way, which takes away the one advantage she would have is if he'd get out and she became the first Indo-Jamaican female president, right?
	That would actually be a thing because the left would celebrate it.
	I'm not sure I want the first president who's gotten with Montel Williams.
	Right?
	I mean, she wasn't even his first side piece.
	She was the second side piece for Montel Williams.
	That's embarrassing.
	And she was the other side piece.
	Right?
	I mean, that's the only way they could juice her campaign is to make her president and give her that.
	And Jill and Joe are not going to give her that.
	So they're going to actually cripple her already crippled campaign and almost ensure Trump wins.
	She's a disaster.
	The thing about Joe Biden came in going, I'm normal Joe.
	You remember me back from when Democrats liked working men.
	I'm just a normal guy.
	I'm going to be kind of a caretaker for four years while we get back to normal after Trump.
	Okay, I get that.
	I mean, people went for it, or at least some portion of people went for it.
	Kamala, you know, I mean, this was a woman who was giving money to bailout scumbag criminals.
	Right?
	She's got no upside.
	She's a cackling, gack lizard hyena, and I anxiously await the debacle that's coming.
	Well, look, this has been fun.
	Get Kurt's book if you haven't read it.
	It's called The Attack.
	And you just need to read it and think.
	It will refocus you as to the actual threats we face because this could happen.
	I want to open up the phone lines 1-833-334-6752 833-33-GORKA because this is us.
	We're a team.
	You guys are in this game.
	So if you want to talk about it, you got ideas, bring them on.
	We will chat.
	Once again, I want you to buy Kurt's book and read his column.
	Subscribe to the Town Hall VIP thing because he's about the only one who actually spits out all the venom that the bad guys and the morons in our administration deserve.
	I'm Jim Hansen.
	This is America First Radio.
	We will be back after the break.
	Oh gosh, what a nightmare.
	Well, look, um, say hi to Irina for me and Samantha and we'll let you know.
	I don't know.
	We're going West sometime, but, and we owe a Texas trip.
	Let's just chat over the weekend.
	All right.
	I will do that.
	We'll make that happen.
	All right.
	Have a good one.
	I'll talk to you soon.
	Later!
	All right.
	I was just telling Jeff, by the way, about some of the callers that we got over the last few days.
	Newer callers.
	Someone called an older woman who said, you know, my fear is that, you know, they'll get rid of Biden, and Kamala will become president, and then Kamala will choose Barack Obama as her vice president.
	It's fun to think about.
	That's not possible, though, constitutionally, because he's already been president twice.
	He can't be vice president?
	No, because then, you know, assuming he could take office at any moment, then he'd be serving past two terms.
	Does it say that?
	Has it been adjudicated?
	I guess it's not been adjudicated, but I assume the 22nd Amendment would... No, but does the 22nd Amendment say you can't be vice president because you might become president?
	I guess not, but then I guess what happens then if he starts a third term and then the 22nd Amendment would kick in?
	Does it?
	Does it kick in if you come up from vice president?
	You know, that's the fun thing.
	We're hitting so many excellent constitutional crisis type things.
	So my insane buddy Kev, who's from back in the day, we invented like internet talk shows back in 2006.
	Literally, Madison, Wisconsin, sitting in the bar he managed.
	We would drink and talk shit and... Oh, it's the break.
	I can say that.
	Yeah, you can.
	Yeah, we're good.
	And we would basically, you know... And literally, in 2006, we were doing the same thing everyone's doing now.
	And he came up with the idea.
	He was up visiting me this past week or a week before.
	He said, what if Kamala decides to hold up the proceedings like they wanted Pence to?
	Now, I know they changed the rules and all this, right?
	And made that not a thing.
	You guys should have kept doing it.
	Right, but here's the thing.
	There's no way to enforce this.
	If the process for making a new president is not followed, there is no enforcement mechanism.
	It's not like the U.S.
	Marshals or the Marshall Supreme Court or the military or someone is going to come in and say, no, you have to do this.
	Yes, this is the president.
	Because if they just gum up the works and then the Democrats joined in and said, OK, no, Trump won, but it's too dangerous.
	We're not going to do this.
	Right.
	They've still got the Senate.
	Right.
	So they they go ahead and refuse to convene the Senate.
	And all of a sudden, you don't have a way to push the process through and finish it.
	And you know the courts wouldn't do anything.
	And that's what we came to the conclusion of as we walked through it.
	There is no actual mechanism to enforce the peaceful transfer of power.
	It relies on the people involved in it.
	I could see them doing that, just like the whole, he's a convicted felon, we will not let him take office, and the media would cover for him.
	He said he's a tyrant from day one, you know, he is now, Biden declares him an enemy combatant, right, and they try to go ahead and throw him in Gitmo, whatever.
	You know, they're not rational people, but in the end, if they're willing to try something crazy, they can get away
	with it.
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	It's Jim Hansen.
	Hi folks, it is Jim Hansen because Dr. G is up in the Arctic waters, not Arctic waters, the freezing waters of Alaska.
	Actually, I posted a picture of him.
	He had on a toque hat.
	He was driving.
	I don't know if it was the actual boat because the boat he and 400 listeners of this show are on has a couple hundred person seat theater on it.
	And if they let Seb drive that, they're a little crazier than I am.
	Who knows?
	Regardless, we're here.
	And I want to open up the phone lines 833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752.
	We're talking about the revolutionary nature of the current state of affairs in America, the political warfare that's underway, you know, our counter-revolution, Peaceful to go ahead and retake this country from the left.
	All of those things.
	And now we talked just a little bit in the break here about what would happen if Trump wins and the left refuses to accept his Election victory.
	They could gum up the works.
	Now, I talked with this with a buddy of mine, Kev, who is my favorite crazed quality conspiracy generator.
	And he said, what if Kamala refuses to do her bit as VP?
	And I realize the rules on that have been changed.
	It's not as important.
	But what if the Democrats refuse to participate in that process?
	And so we don't end up with, because they have a majority in the Senate, And, you know, OK, the House does their part.
	The Senate says we're not going to recognize this.
	The Democrats could effectively gum up the works because there isn't a mechanism to enforce that peaceful transition of power.
	Who does it?
	You know, the Sergeant-at-Arms of Congress can't do it.
	You know, the Federal Marshals, Capitol Police, the military.
	Everyone always loves to say, well, we'll just declare martial law on the military.
	The military doesn't do that stuff.
	All right.
	That's just not going to happen.
	If something like that happens, they're going to get out of the way and let the political tools fight it out.
	So you're in a situation where the left refuses to accept a political, you know, loss.
	And they're the ones on January 6th this time who, whether they storm the Capitol or whether they just disappear, you know, if they just all decided to not participate in that process, we'd be in a situation where there is no way to force that and we would have an actual constitutional crisis.
	So let's give them the opportunity to do that by winning.
	And we were talking with Kurt about what are the options for the Democrats, okay?
	And if anybody thinks that there's an option besides Biden and Kamala, I would have to disagree.
	There's too many obstacles in the way.
	The number one obstacle is Kamala's their DEI VP.
	She ran for president and won like six votes total.
	Nobody wanted her.
	But they needed someone to offset this doddering old white guy, so they picked a cocoa brown colored female.
	and you know they and it's interesting because in 2016 she was self-identifying as indian and all of a sudden by 2020 she was african-american oh weird how that goes so they but they they did they used her as a dei candidate consequently They can't uncheck that block and just say, okay, well, no, no, no.
	That was just for them.
	You were just a block check, you know?
	You were just a token who we put in because we wanted a little, you know, melanin on an extremely old and white ticket.
	And now, in addition to the fact that she was just an unlikable, unaccomplished, annoying, Just nobody is in favor of Kamala person.
	That was in 2020.
	Now we've had almost four years of her in action and even her own side is like, Oh my God, we can't stand her.
	She is just incredibly bad.
	So I think if there's something else they can do, pushing her out of the way is going to cause them all kinds of diversity problems that they can't deal with.
	All right, hey, we got a caller, Rebecca from Arizona.
	What's your take on all this fun stuff going on?
	Well, you know, I'm just wondering if the reason why Joe is hesitating now at this point to step down, it may be because, you know, he's bringing in Hunter to set in on meetings and various things.
	Don't you find that just a little suspicious?
	I have to wonder if That pool of money, you know, that only Joe and Kamala can access.
	Is Hunter gonna start skimming some of that money out of there before Joe finally says, yeah, okay, maybe I'll step out?
	That's a really interesting idea.
	I mean, it's comical in a very painful way to think about that degenerate, junkie, whoremongering crackhead loser anywhere near the levers of power of the great United States of America.
	So the fact that Joe even has him in meetings is sickening.
	But it's part of—one of Joe's only slightly redeeming qualities in his corrupt way is he wants to take care of his family.
	Now, his way of taking care of his family is allowing them to be corrupt grifters, you know, who are parasites on the American way of life.
	And so he did that with Hunter, taking him on trips on Air Force Two, letting him sell access to Joe, Joe delivering meetings for Hunter's clients.
	And both of those are felonies.
	They didn't register as foreign agents, so consequently those are felonies.
	So now that that business has been exposed, that's interesting to think about.
	Where is Hunter going to make his money?
	And I think one of the things Joe wants to do is set Hunter up.
	Because that's all he's got left.
	His good son died in the Iraq War in a heroic charge where he led a bayonet assault against an enemy machine gun post.
	Oh wait, no he didn't.
	He came home and died of brain cancer, sadly.
	But the end result is all Joe's got left is Hunter and then Ashley, who he showered with.
	So he's got to do something to make sure that his sole remaining heir had in mail air i guess
	has a way to continue the grift and i wonder if that campaign money is is available that's
	an interesting thought that maybe uh...
	maybe he's bringing him inside now so that he can pay him and that's that might be part of the
	payoff to get joe out of the way
	is they gotta make sure the hunters taking care of it gets the pardon
	joe steps out of the way and then hunter gets to cash in on some of the campaign
	So there he does.
	So I think you may be on to something there, Rebecca.
	That's a fun idea.
	All right, we're going to take a break now.
	We'll be back in a little bit, and we will continue to dissect the current decrepit state of both our Commander-in-Chief, our political system, Our republic and a lot of things, but I want you to have a positive attitude because America first is going to be triumphant.
	This is Jim Hanson.
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	That's what I thought from the beginning.
	I mean, Joe's gonna live a while, too.
	I mean, he messes with campaign money.
	Here's your BS book deal and Netflix deal, you know what I mean?
	Because the whole family's criminals.
	They've got no skills.
	I mean, Joe's never had an honest job in his life.
	Well, the other thing that's a little weird is when he puts out his financial statement, Joe's has dropped like over a million since he's been in the White House.
	What do you pay for when you're the president?
	Nothing.
	And that is insane to me.
	That's a good point.
	Do you think they put some money elsewhere?
	That's what I'm trying to figure out.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, if you've got proceeds from criminal activities, you want to get those somewhere else if you think there's a possibility that something could be coming.
	Get rid of the Cayman Islands.
	Oh, man.
	I can't wait to have a... Can we have Mike Davis as AG?
	Is that legit?
	I don't know, but that really is the most important position.
	I want him as AG.
	Ever since Schlichter started pimping him for that, I'm like, that's a great idea, you know?
	That's actually a really good idea.
	AG is the most important cabinet host.
	Hell yeah!
	I mean, because they can do anything.
	I was thinking maybe, like, Chris Kobach.
	Okay, well, there's a couple of the state AGs.
	Or even maybe put him like DHS because he's really big on immigration.
	I want someone older that doesn't care about the rest of their life.
	You know what I mean?
	So you're going to make enemies?
	Like Levin, but like a Levin.
	He would obviously never do it, but someone like that that's kind of already successful, is kind of at the end, he's not worried about the next payday.
	Somebody like that.
	Huh.
	So we need a super rich lawyer who doesn't care.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And angry as the fire.
	That was the reason why people said the Rittenhouse judge was so base.
	He was an older guy who didn't give a crap about all the death threats and whatnot.
	Decide this case fairly.
	It's someone that doesn't care if they're not employable after it.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, I'm with you.
	That's the big thing.
	It always is.
	Davis would be, yeah, that's actually a really good choice.
	He would be good from the right mentality, the skill set, and all the rest of it.
	I don't care.
	I just want a pipe hitter as AG.
	I love thinking about cabinet posts in general, like Secretary of State.
	I would love to see Mike Flynn be FBI director.
	Wow.
	That's an interesting one.
	You put someone in there who wants to destroy it, because that's what you're supposed to do.
	I mean, someone who used to run a moving company.
	We're ready to put Kash Patel in charge of the CIA.
	20 seconds.
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	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo!
	It's Jim Hansen.
	It is most definitely Jim Hansen.
	And I would encourage you, if you don't already follow me on the ex-Twitter, at Jim Hansen DC, I am a fount of wonderfully pithy, wicked commentary.
	It's a lot of fun.
	Hey, I want to continue our conversation here with you guys.
	So we got a call from Elliot in New Jersey.
	What's on your mind, Elliot?
	Thank you for taking my call again.
	You know, if you listen to the right-wing radio stations, they call them right-wing conservatives, they are always blaming the left.
	The left-wingers, they're blaming the right.
	Why can't we have common ground for the right people here in America, and that's most of them, that it is the globalists that are trying to take over?
	Why is it that there are A fortune of corporations.
	I mean, a lot of them that are giving money to the left and giving money to the right.
	But who's giving money to the people?
	Besides that you just tax us and tax us and tax us and causing us to become like almost like serfs, like slaves, because we can't do anything anymore.
	That's an interesting concept.
	I think globalists tend to have a more leftist, and left and right are just placekeepers.
	It's statism versus individualism.
	So those are the two things that if I have time to do, we all use political shorthand.
	So left and right, you know, commies and the rest of us, however you want to do it.
	But the place it breaks down for me is there are those who believe that the founding of America based on individual liberty and the state having no right to interfere with that.
	And then the left and whatever, flavor of socialism, communism, wokeism, globalism, I think all of those tend to believe that an entity other than the individual should take control, tell people how to live, make rules, and basically rule.
	And I don't want to be ruled by anyone.
	I did not sign up for that.
	I can tell you for certain that in my entire lifetime, I have never signed a contract that says I will be ruled by anyone other than my oath of enlistment in the United States military.
	And I consider that an oath to the Constitution.
	But even that I would revoke if they change the Constitution to be something I no longer believe in.
	So I am 100% on the side of individual liberty and freedom and the pursuit of happiness and all the good things that we we are promised as natural rights by our Creator and not for statist, globalist, totalitarians, any form of socialists who believe that we are governed by the common good and someone else other than me should decide how I live my life.
	I will do it my way, make my own mistakes, claim my own victories, enjoy the fruits of my labor because I'm me.
	So, I think that's my take on that.
	I think it's fair to be concerned about it because they are trying to do that and, you know, both sides are complicit.
	Hey, this is Jim Hanson sitting in for Sebastian Gorka on America First Radio.
	We will be back after Salem brings you some news.
	Thank you for watching.
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	I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First, and I'm delighted to welcome our special guest host, Jim
	Hansen.
	Alright, well we are having fun today on America First, this revolutionary weekend, because it's the counter-revolution.
	This is us pushing back on them because they're a menace to our republic and we're not going to put up with it.
	Okay, we have been taking some calls and I want to continue to do that.
	833-33-GORKA.
	833-334-6752.
	We got Sally from Cleveland, which Cleveland rocks.
	We've got Sally from Cleveland, which Cleveland rocks.
	What's on your mind, Sally?
	Well, hello.
	I had heard that in Wisconsin, a court overturned, there was a law that they couldn't have the drop boxes if they were unsupervised by election boards, but it got overturned.
	And I wondered if other states are starting to try to do that.
	And I hope that the Republican National Committee is going to rally people to monitor those,
	you know, have cameras and all, and monitor those drop boxes
	so we don't run into the situation we had in 20 with all those cheating at the drop boxes.
	You know, I think that's a legitimate thing.
	Yeah, the Wisconsin Supreme Court, which recently changed to a liberal majority, they replaced one justice and there was a runoff.
	And we did not do a good job.
	And consequently, there's a majority for them.
	They decided that even though state law in Wisconsin says the only places you can turn in an absentee ballot are the clerk's office or by mail.
	They interpreted that, as they are prone to do, to mean that the clerk could go ahead and decide, well, if I want to put drop boxes out all over the place, you know, and let people stuff ballots in those, that is the same as the clerk accepting a ballot in person.
	Well, it's not.
	But that's the reason elections matter.
	That's the reason we have to go ahead and be in a revolutionary mindset, be in a warrior mindset to fight back against this, because they took that seat on the Wisconsin Supreme Court, and now they're going to do more of what they did in 2020.
	Let's go over what they did in 2020 that we know for a fact happened.
	Not things that may have happened, not things that could have.
	I'm not a fan of the Dominion voting machine concepts.
	I don't think those were where the cheat happened.
	The places I know the cheat happened was the Democrats go out into communities, poor communities, illegal alien communities, places like that, and they register people to vote.
	They go and if they can find a human or if they can just find a name they like and an address, they register that person, they put that registration in, and then they request an absentee ballot for that person.
	where that ballot goes is the real question.
	Because once a ballot is issued and it falls into the hands of a Democrat operative, it's
	out of control.
	And that's what happened.
	They registered a bunch of people.
	We actually took evidence to the Republican National Committee, my wife and myself, that
	showed in Orange County, California, the Democrats were doing just that.
	They were registering people with a physical address in a dog park or a Starbucks or a
	government building, and they were sending those absentee ballots to a PO ballot.
	box in Sacramento.
	And this was Orange County in south of L.A., Sacramento's way up north.
	So they were cheating, sending those up there, gathering them, and then stuffing those, harvesting those ballots, filling them out, putting their candidates on it.
	And they took some Republican seats in Orange County.
	That happened in 2018.
	We told the RNC about it in 2019.
	They did nothing.
	In 2020.
	So that's one of the failures of Ronna McDaniel and the RNC establishment.
	So we need to look for that.
	And I know now that there is a better mentality in the RNC.
	And we're working to both not just watch what the Democrats are doing, but to get our people registered.
	To get every single person—and we're not cheating like they do.
	We're not that way.
	But at least now, we are actively out beating the bushes for every possible voter, and we're going to be cognizant, as the caller just said, of the new attempts they'll use.
	They used COVID as the excuse last time.
	Oh, you know, it's COVID, so we have to change all the rules.
	So in addition to going ahead and getting all of these ballots in play, absentee ballots, mail-in ballots in play, when they went ahead and evaluated those ballots to see if they were valid, they let everything through in 2020.
	So if you look at the spoilage rate, the number of ballots that were turned in in 2018 or 2016, before that, the spoilage rate for absentee ballots was somewhere in the 5% to 10% range, just average across the states.
	It was different everywhere.
	But it was never any much lower than that, in some cases higher.
	In the 2020 election, a lot of these states, especially the battleground states where it mattered, the spoilage rates were down under 1%.
	So that meant ballots that should have been thrown out, had the same rules been applied in 2018 or 2016, were accepted.
	Now, we don't know if those ballots were fake.
	We don't know if they were real for sure, but they were accepted as valid votes where they should not have.
	That's another thing why local elections matter.
	Election boards matter.
	State election commissions matter.
	All of those things matter if you want to make sure that we have legitimate elections.
	So that's really the challenge for us right now.
	You know, it's not just fielding a candidate that can inspire people, which I think Trump has done.
	You know, I think everything about what has happened to him, the way the left has abused power to attack him and try and take him out, has woken up a lot of people to what lengths the left will go to.
	You know, it was kind of hard to say in 2020.
	No one had ever seen, you know, widespread abuse of the mail-in voting process, you know, using states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and others changed their own rules and regulations about how they would do that.
	Not just accepting spoiled ballots, but other things.
	We had never seen that, but it was esoteric and it was weird and no one could really understand why that was.
	Well, now they're like, okay, they're so scared.
	They're like, we can't just count on that to beat Trump.
	They wanted to go ahead and use the full array of state power and abuse it to go ahead and try and knock him out of the race, try and stop him from being able to become the Republican candidate and then to win in the general election.
	And the good thing, the thing that's saving the republic, I believe, again, is the fact that it's all falling apart.
	You know, all of those things are falling apart.
	The ruling on presidential immunity is probably going to knock out all of the cases they invented against Trump.
	Now, that's not its actual purpose, but who cares?
	You know, it was done to make sure that decent people would still run for president.
	If you knew, as someone who's considering running for president, that everything you did was subject to the whims of some district attorney in any jurisdiction that hated you, to go ahead and make up charges and come after you once you left office, would you want to be president?
	No decent person would put themselves in that position.
	So you need some form of immunity.
	It's the proper thing to do.
	The nice thing is it's blowing up in the Democrats' face.
	And now all of these charges that they invented, you know, I don't think there's a single charge against Trump out of the, what is it, 91 indictments?
	Whatever.
	Who cares?
	However many it is, they're all garbage.
	And the fact that now none of them—they had to believe.
	You've got to figure, in those smoke-filled Democrat rooms or patchouli-filled Democrat rooms where they're scheming with their political operatives, that they had to say, we got him.
	You know, they've been saying it forever.
	Trump's like their Roadrunner and their Wile E. Coyote.
	You know, they've been going after him since 2015.
	And if you always get the next headline, Trump finally will be taken down.
	Trump Russia is going to do it.
	You know, Ukrainian quid pro quo is going to do it.
	January 6th is going to do it.
	All these things.
	They've been after him forever.
	And every time it's like, beep beep, you know, and he's gone and their acme indictments all blow up in their faces.
	So I think the entire process right now is questionable.
	And that means we have to be vigilant.
	It doesn't mean we start hollering about it because the way to win an election is getting so many votes they can't cheat.
	And I think they're helping with that, all right?
	Joe and Kamala and the rest are helping with that.
	But we still need to talk to everybody.
	Talk to everyone you know.
	Talk rationally.
	Talk about how times were better.
	You know, it's the bring back the good old days when you could afford gas and groceries and Trump was in charge.
	You know, I mean, I'm sorry if the mean tweets scared you, the cheap gas and groceries ought to bring you back.
	So work both sides of the fence is kind of what I'm saying.
	I do not trust the system.
	I distrust it.
	I know the Dems are cheating.
	We all do.
	They keep getting caught.
	What we need to do now is watch them, like hawks, and go ahead and use every legal means that they have put into play, and ballot harvesting and the rest of that, do more, do as much of it as possible, and go ahead and just get every single person you can think of to come out and vote.
	Just tell them, do you want your life back to what it was?
	And I think they do.
	And I think that's a message, both on the positive side, do you want good things coming back?
	And do you want stupid bad things to stop happening?
	That's the message we've got.
	And I think that's a winning message.
	I'm Jim Hanson, we are doing America First Radio.
	And we will be back with Jim Carufano from Heritage Foundation to talk some national
	security foreign policy.
	Thank you.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo!
	It's Jim Hanson.
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	OK, we are joined now by Jim Carafano from the Heritage Foundation.
	Good to be with you, brother.
	It's always good.
	You have you have invited me into the back channel rooms of the Heritage Foundation to argue with the other smarty pantses about some pretty important issues.
	All the evil empire stuff.
	Yeah, well, that's where the scheme is.
	We're the darkest of the dark side.
	Well, this time, let's just I wanted to you know, we've we've talked before about Ukraine.
	And I think it is an ungood problem with not a lot of good solutions.
	But I want to give you my one over the world 32nd view of the problem and what I think the end state will be.
	And then I just want your view as to whether or not that is doable.
	So my view all along has been that Putin went in, expected to roll through Ukraine and ended up destroying the bulk of his expeditionary capability in that initial failed attempt to invade and take over.
	And consequently, he's been trying to find a win out of the mess he made in finding out that his oligarchs had stolen the money as opposed to building him any logistics for his military.
	So now we've got a situation where he's been camped.
	in Donbass.
	They've had Crimea for a while before that and just massive amounts of military ordnance and lives have been used and lost to fight over that for what in my mind the endgame is going to be Russia keeps Donbass and Crimea, and Ukraine gets some assurance from us that if he tries anything like that again, we'll immediately give them our best weapons, but we don't give them some kind of a treaty.
	Is that somewhere in the vicinity?
	Look, I don't think it's terribly off-base.
	And you know what I'm saying? This is really the definition of conservative foreign policy.
	Unlike the left, we don't have an orthodoxy.
	There's not a list of talking points that we all must adhere to to be considered legit conservatives, right?
	The one thing that we all agree on is American foreign policy ought to be based on American interests.
	Trump didn't invent America first.
	Really what he did was take Ronald Reagan's vision and put it in 21st century common sense.
	And so conservatives should argue about foreign policy because you cannot just declare this
	is America's interests and how to best address them by fiat.
	And so the notion that conservatives debate about this to me is one of the hallmarks of
	why it's much, much healthier, much more right.
	The problem here is we're not terribly far off.
	I have said for many months, look, this is just the reality of foreign policy.
	Most wars don't end in the very clean, pristine ways that people like, and there's a clear winner and loser.
	This is much more likely to look like Germany in 1945, or Korea in 1953, or Israel.
	That's just the reality of it.
	And people are going to own the ground that they own.
	It doesn't mean that the Ukrainians have to say, we relinquish the sovereignty of that territory, like the Germans never
	did that.
	But the reality is that the war will end up, and it'll be a Cold War.
	This is just reality.
	So I don't think you're far off.
	I don't think they're going to get NATO membership anytime soon.
	I don't think that's actually really even relevant.
	But what I'm much more optimistic on than maybe a lot of people is where we are going
	forward, because where we are going forward is there's a thousand miles more of NATO frontier
	than the Russians had to worry about last time.
	You have Sweden, Finland, and Norway on one flank.
	That's a lot of military capability, something that the Russians can never go into the Baltics
	and ignore.
	On the other flank, you're going to have the Ukraine, which is going to be free and independent.
	Sporter's going to be somewhere, I don't know, I don't care.
	It's been a lot of places over the years.
	This is very true.
	They're going to have a capacity to defend themselves.
	They're going to invest a lot in their own defense, and they're building up their own defense industry.
	The Europeans are going to do that in their interest.
	It's actually not going to be, I think, a massive demand.
	And then you're going to have Poland, which is going to have a strong military, because they've convinced that in Romania.
	There's no place for the Russians to go.
	It's going to take them at least five to six years to rebuild their military.
	When they rebuild that military, NATO's not going to stand still for five or six years.
	The real deterrence to the future Russian military threat is going to be deep strike.
	It's not going to be American divisions on the frontier.
	It's going to be Europeans building up long-range kill capabilities that can kill all the Russian
	crap before it gets to the front line.
	I actually think Russia will, it'll be a long time if ever, and it might be never, before
	where Russia gets to the correlation forces where they have a credible conventional threat
	And so I was thinking about this the other day, and I believe this is true.
	I believe today, today as we speak, that NATO has a more defensible frontier today than it did during the Cold War in West Germany.
	And for people who say we need to focus on China and Asia-Pacific, what we are moving into is exactly the kind of conditions where the United States can put a lot more emphasis on other missions and places, because that border is going to be much, much more defensible.
	Then let's make peace in Ukraine.
	Well, I don't hear I don't hear anybody saying every time I bring that up, they're like, well, Putin won't do it.
	Like Putin needs an exit ramp.
	And I know people hate to hear that.
	But he's not going out as the guy who lost a war to Zelensky.
	That's never happening.
	But the reality is, look, you never give a Russian something for nothing.
	So the one thing about Putin needs an exit ramp, it's not, what can I give you to make you stop?
	That's never going to work.
	Because first of all, the Russians interpret that as a sign of weakness.
	And it just means, I'll fight longer and harder, right?
	That's very different from saying, make a deal with the Russians.
	And honestly, I don't believe that Zelensky It's obvious what it's going to be.
	It's been since the beginning.
	Since the initial invasion failed, it was going to be Donbass and Crimea.
	the front lines are really that far off in what they would say, this is acceptable.
	If you want to off-ramp and you want to stop today, here's the deal you can get.
	I believe they're actually pretty close to that.
	It's obvious what it's going to be.
	It's been since the beginning.
	Since the initial invasion failed, it was going to be Donbass and Crimea.
	That was what, in the end, that was the legitimate thing he could say.
	Okay, this is my Russian-speaking province.
	Just like West Germany never relinquished.
	Okay.
	They're never going to give up.
	We're not going to never join NATO.
	make the deal there and then whatever condition you want to put to put the
	screws to Vlad so he doesn't feel like it's a win and he should keep pushing
	okay let's let's find that. I think the deal I mean look they're never gonna
	relinquish the territory per se just like West Germany never relinquished
	this okay they're never gonna give up we're not gonna never join NATO maybe
	ten years off but they'll never get that up but saying you are where you are I am
	where we accept that today Now there's a couple of reasons why that just kind of makes sense.
	Three.
	One is, there is no scenario where the Ukrainians can build up enough conventional combat power to take back the entire country with ground forces.
	They just don't have the population.
	And even if they did, that frontier would be no more defensible than where they are now.
	That's one.
	The second is, these areas are completely devastated.
	If the Ukrainians took all that territory back, The demand of rebuilding that in addition to rebuilding the
	Ukraine is an even bigger struggle.
	And the third thing is, and this is a purely American thing because I'm an American, I'm
	sorry.
	For America to have a defensible frontier of NATO and to have a Ukraine that is free
	and independent, you don't need Damascus and Crimea.
	The reality is… We can let that go.
	We've got to jump to the break.
	We're going to have to let it go because of the commercial demands.
	This is Jim Hanson doing America First.
	We'll be back after the break with Jim Carufano from Heritage and we'll take on the other
	easy issue of Israel and Hamas.
	It's been obvious to me that he's going to keep them.
	And I like the idea.
	Maybe the idea is it's Korea.
	You know, if it's not a demilitarized zone, but whatever.
	It's an unfinished war.
	We don't acknowledge anything.
	But this is the... So, and there are things... See, there are things the Ukrainians can trade off now, right?
	The Ukrainians can say, you know what?
	I won't do deep strikes on you.
	You don't do deep strikes on me.
	Right?
	Because that was the big thing just recently that scared the shit out of me.
	It's like, OK, if the Ukrainians are going to do that, that's actually dangerous.
	I don't think so.
	But what I like about it is, it's something to trade.
	Like, I will not do deep strike on Russian territory, you don't do attacks on Ukrainian territory.
	And those are the kinds of things you can be willing to trade off.
	I promise you, I won't do a counter-offensive to regain lost territory.
	So there are things you can trade off.
	And the reality is the Ukrainian people, most people don't know this because they don't look at the polls, but they took a poll in 1943 when the war had actually turned in our favor.
	And they asked Americans, if the U.S.
	wanted to sign a peace treaty, would you accept that?
	And they all said, sure.
	They were like, because they just wanted to, you know, they didn't want to...
	They didn't have a problem with fighting to unconditional surrender,
	but if they'd been offered a deal that said, okay, we can stop fighting now and get pretty much...
	Yeah.
	You know, if you're the ones who are dying.
	But, you know, it's like only Trump can do this deal.
	But I don't think Zelensky and Trump are far apart.
	I think he'll be in a situation where Zelensky knows he won't be able to continue to use public opinion to sway him.
	Well, look, I mean, he just tells the reality.
	Zelensky does the reality on the ground.
	The reality is he can't.
	They don't have the combat power to take back the country, and they never will.
	Right.
	I mean, absent NATO involvement.
	And NATO is never going to underwrite a counteroffensive to take back all of Ukraine.
	That's just never going to happen.
	upping the ante, getting closer.
	But that's never going to happen.
	But that's stuff maybe you can trade away.
	But Zelensky knows that.
	And the other thing is, if Zelensky didn't make an effort to do that, that
	would have hurt him politically.
	But he'll be realistic about it.
	I just, I'm very confident.
	So yeah, so we could argue about this crap, but we're probably going to wind up in the same place.
	No, it's interesting.
	It was funny, that last smoke-filled room we were in.
	There was no stomach for it.
	Yeah.
	.
	Welcome back to America First.
	with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hansen.
	Hey folks, welcome back to America First Radio.
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	So we took care of Ukraine and Russia.
	That's done.
	I wrote it up here.
	It's on a post-it note.
	We're going to move on to the other easy one, which is Israel and the Palestinians.
	Now, full disclosure, I'm working with Middle East Forum right now.
	We've actually had some input into ideas for a post-Gaza war situation.
	And I'd like to talk with you.
	What do you see as the art of the possible?
	Because right now there's going to be a finish to Hamas in Rafa, and we're just going to
	fight that as far as the Israelis can.
	But then they have to do something.
	Now the view I find possible is to go ahead and have a military occupation to start with,
	because they're there and they have to establish control, and they're not going to let anybody
	else in until they have control.
	Right.
	Then they bring in Gulf Arab state peacekeepers of some flavor to serve an interim role securing convoys and doing that kind of stuff, then they
	have to almost do some flavor of the sons of Iraq, where they pick some Palestinian factions that were out of favor
	with Hamas, but do have a large enough military age male capacity to be now the providers of the spoils as things go
	in and isolate Hamas by taking the money and giving it to these new Palestinian tribes and sects.
	and factions and letting them run whatever parts they're able to control.
	Yeah, I don't think we're far off.
	This actually looks a lot, in many ways, a lot like some of the military occupations we did after World War II.
	It's going to obviously have to start with an Israeli military occupation.
	Then it has to Probably transition to some kind of commission of trusted agents, right?
	I have a wild card for you.
	I think it makes the Indians.
	And the reason why I say India is a couple of things.
	One is they want to do more in the Middle East.
	They're already very pro-Israel.
	They also work very well with the Arab states.
	They do have this flavor of being a neutral power.
	They also have a long-term relationship with Iran.
	And Iran would be very hesitant to be killing Indians, because that would kill their relationship with India
	once and for all.
	And they don't want to do that.
	And the third thing is, I don't know if you ever messed with the Indian military,
	but they are serious frickin' dudes.
	And they are not people you want to screw with.
	So I actually think, my personal view is, I've talked to the Indians about this,
	but an Indian commission run by the Indians in partnership with some Arab states, with Israel as an open partner,
	And then, I'm a little fuzzy on what that formula looks like, but there has to be a space to open up a future Palestinian political class that's responsible enough that people will respond to it.
	This is all a decade-long project, but that's the way forward.
	To me, the question is, look, you also have Hezbollah there, right?
	And so what's going to happen in the next couple of months with that, that's a big wild card.
	But the other thing is, the elephant in the room is none of this matters.
	It's all just window dressing, unless you deal with the Iran problem.
	That cannot be dealt with unless we have a President Trump.
	And so we have to have a Trump come in on day one and just hammer the Iranians.
	Not start World War III, not do regime change, but just beat those guys back into their slimy little box and make them afraid to leave there.
	And only Trump can do that.
	Well, I mean, they did the entire seven front war was essentially an Iranian.
	Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, Iraq, Syrian militias.
	They activated all of their proxies at once and flexed on it.
	And people keep acting like this is in a vacuum.
	All of a sudden, Hamas just decided they've been oppressed enough in their little apartheid state.
	So I'll make a prediction.
	I actually predict that Trump's first—and I haven't talked to anybody in the campaign, and I don't have secret meetings with Donald Trump—that if Trump becomes president, the first thing out of the box will not be the Ukraine thing, although he'll put a Ukraine plan on the table.
	There's no question about that.
	It's going to be Iran, because that's the dumpster fire, and that's the thing you've got to jump on immediately.
	I hope so.
	We sent in some platform information, and essentially our view is a soft internal coup is the thing.
	It has to be, you know, Iranian-based.
	You can't have a kinetic eye.
	We can't topple the government.
	All of those things will cause more trouble than they would.
	But the Iranian people have been close.
	No one's ever come up and said, hey, we want you guys to win.
	Right, so this is, I totally agree, this is the one thing that was missing from the maximum pressure campaign last time was supporting an internal opposition.
	Now, there's two things.
	One is the external opposition is useless, they're never going to do anything.
	If anything changes in Iran, it's going to be from within.
	Now, look, one or two things are going to happen.
	Either by supporting the internal opposition, you're going to scare the crap out of the regime, and they were really quiet down.
	Maybe they'll hang them, maybe they won't.
	Or, the dudes will fall.
	Either way, it's like, what do we care, right?
	Yeah, and I think there is at least an interest— I'm never coming back on this show again while you're here, because if we keep agreeing like this, it's just no fun.
	No, it's too much fun, because now I know that the good guys are winning.
	Jim Carrafano, Heritage Foundation, and I want now the rest of you to tell Donald Trump that Iran is a real problem.
	We'll be back after the break because it's Second Amendment time and we're going to talk
	with my good buddy Pete Crittenden, former First Group Savage.
	Thanks for watching.
	Thanks for watching.
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	Well, hey, I am happy to be joined now by a compadre from back in my first Special Forces Group days in Okinawa, Pete Crittenden.
	Welcome to the show, Pete.
	It's a pleasure to be here.
	Right on.
	Well, look, we have had you on before.
	You're, like me, a gun-loving guy.
	But first I wanted to ask, you've got a new book called Drowning Creek.
	Tell us about that.
	It's an action-adventure novel.
	And it's based on a part of the world that you and I know fairly well, Camp McCall, the environs of Fort Bragg, Fayetteville, and going on up to Raleigh-Durham.
	I got the idea for this story out of an actual event that happened.
	There's a no-name gas station about halfway up the highway, Highway 1 from Southern Pines and Pinehurst all the way up to Raleigh-Durham.
	And I pulled in there one time.
	This was 2010, I believe.
	I was working in Chicago and parking my car in long-term parking at Raleigh-Durham.
	And I'm driving down back home to Southern Pines, and I stopped in the no-name gas station And, uh, there are these, uh, gentlemen of Middle Eastern extraction there, uh, you know, behind the counter.
	This is one of those old beat-up gas stations, like something out of Andy Griffith.
	And, um, you know, uh, I like to use my language skills, but, uh, that little voice in the back of my head, you know, the spidey sense was tingling.
	Something was telling me, do not engage these people.
	You know, I wanted to, you know, whip out the old Arabic, you know, and, uh, Something told me, don't engage.
	So I got my Gatorade and I got my beef jerky and I got out of there.
	And then it wasn't even a week later, they were on TV.
	There was five of them and their handler was a North Carolinian gentleman who'd actually converted to Islam over in Afghanistan during the Soviet era.
	He was with the Mujahideen fighting the Soviets.
	And this was his team and they were on their way to Camp Lejeune.
	With a car full of explosives.
	Yeah.
	And they got busted.
	And it wasn't even a week prior.
	I was within an arm's reach of Al-Qaeda, looking him dead in the eye.
	Well, that's why we need people like you writing books about stuff like that.
	Well, look, let's talk about the raison d'etre for this segment and Second Amendment Friday.
	The Firearms Friday concept is that you can keep and bear arms, and there are problems when the government decides they might want to infringe on that right.
	The recent Supreme Court ruling basically allowed the idea that a domestic restraining order for someone who has not been convicted of a crime can be used to seize firearms and take away a named constitutional right.
	And I'm not sure that's what they meant in the Constitution.
	Exactly.
	Well, you need to know about the recent Supreme Court decisions.
	I did a little homework here on Bruin and Reamy and of course, the Chevron thing.
	And there's a lot of mission creep going on in in the federal government.
	And It seems to me that if there's a restraining order against you, but you haven't done anything, that's violation of due process, Fourth Amendment right there.
	Well, they'll say, no, no, we went through due process in the restraining order.
	Okay, I'll give them that.
	But, you know, it's a red flag law thing.
	And those have not been through the Supreme Court litmus test.
	There's a No, you bring up a good point, though, because I think I was talking with some of the folks who do this professionally, the legal side.
	They said it was not a due process case and that has not been tested.
	So this ruling said that what they did and the way it was challenged by the guy who was a scumbag was challenging it, you know, and he actually had done some violent things, but they did not challenge it on due process grounds.
	They challenged it on pure Second Amendment grounds that you could not remove the Second Amendment Without that.
	So they left open the possibility of a due process challenge.
	So I'm hopeful that some of the groups that do that kind of thing are preparing those things now and are going back at this.
	Well, I mean, what about a guy who actually does go through a due process thing, like G Gordon Liddy?
	And he went to prison.
	And let's say it's not even that bad.
	It's a misdemeanor.
	Like Steve Bannon.
	Are they going to pull his Second Amendment rights.
	So they're going to pull his guns.
	And how long does that punishment last?
	In other words, let's say you do a three month sentence for a misdemeanor.
	And you go to federal prison, you lose your Second Amendment rights for life.
	That just doesn't pass the smell test.
	And that's where it's at.
	I think we have some there's some lawyering to be done on this issue, for sure.
	And well, on top of that, you've got, when you're filling out your, what is it, the 7433, the federal firearms paperwork when you purchase a firearm.
	Okay, they're asking if you're an illegal user of marijuana.
	Well, what if you're a legal user of marijuana, but that's a state thing, the federal, they don't recognize that.
	So somehow or other, if you answer that truthfully, say you're using medical marijuana, uh you can't get a gun so your second amendment rights are restricted there for something that's a legal activity where you're at you know and thomas jefferson was a hemp farmer for god's sake you know at some i don't know what he was doing now you know that's not quite the same thing i understand the difference but i think there is a slippery slope
	That we need to put a little bit of brakes on and hopefully there is some more.
	Like I said, I'm not a fan of lawyering, but when it needs to be done, there are some good people doing it and we want them to do that.
	Hey, Pete, we're going to have you stick around for one more segment because I want to talk about some other more gun-related Second Amendment stuff.
	This is Jim Hansen.
	We are doing America First Radio and we will be back after the break.
	That's a nice-looking rack.
	I love the long gun rack there.
	Yeah, I made that.
	Did you?
	Yeah.
	That's a nice looking rack. I love the long gun rack there.
	Yeah, I made that.
	Did you?
	Yeah.
	You know, it's good to be an American artisan and craftsman.
	I just had all these guns lying around the room.
	This is ridiculous.
	Oh yeah, we actually ended up with a safe room.
	Well yeah, you gotta have that.
	We do a good job of keeping ours well maintained and contained in the house.
	Although it was funny, we actually had someone was gonna bring kids over and then I had to go through my list of okay, where have I stashed guns in all these rooms?
	You know, like, normally, there's no kids in my house.
	You know, the cats don't have thumbs, so they can't actually cause any trouble with any weapons they find.
	And I was like, Okay, I got one by the front door in that drawer.
	There's one in the sofa cushion over there.
	Right here, the opposable thumb.
	Yeah, I know.
	That's The only difference between us and the cats ruling the world.
	I was talking about, I made a joke about flat earth.
	You know, Robert F. Kennedy said, I'm not going to take a side on 9-11 conspiracies.
	You know, both sides should be able to do this.
	I'm like, OK, so next you're going to tell us we shouldn't take a side in the flat earth controversy, you know, because wouldn't cars keep rolling off the edge if the earth was round?
	And someone said in response to that, they said, the ultimate argument I ever heard for flat earth Not being a fact was if there was actually a flat earth, cats would have knocked us all off the edge of it by now.
	I was like, I can, I can state categorically that my boy, I got a, he's one year old and he's 15 pounds.
	He's a ragdoll cat.
	I know it's my wife's choice of cats.
	She's, we got two of them, but they're the second biggest cat to Maine Coons.
	Maine Coons are the biggest, but he's going to be somewhere around 22 pounds full grown.
	Like I don't need him trying to, cause he, now he can knock, he can open doors.
	45 seconds.
	So he's a menace.
	But dude, I wanted to hit real quick, if we could, because this is in a long segment, a little bit about the—they're going back after the weapons of war.
	And I just always love to poke a hole in the idea, because weapons of war is literally what they expected with the Second Amendment.
	So if we could just have a little fun with that.
	20 seconds.
	Oh, I've got something specifically to say about that.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hanson.
	Right on.
	Hey, we're back here with my buddy Pete Crittenden, former First Group guy, author of the novel Drowning Creek, about the environs around the not Camp Liberty, the Fort Bragg and Camp McCall, greater metropolitan area, greater not metropolitan area.
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	All right, Pete, I've seen some more of this garbage talk from, I think it was actually Kamala Harris this time, about how we need to ban weapons of war.
	Biden uses the same terminology, weapons of war.
	Adam Kinzinger, little evil dwarf, says we need to ban weapons of war.
	Didn't the founders actually want us to have weapons of war, and that was why the Second Amendment is worded the way it is?
	Absolutely.
	And I have something deeply personal to say regarding this.
	When I retired from the Army, I was burnt out, and I needed to decompress.
	And for six months, I tended horses, and I played golf about two or three times a week.
	And I didn't want anything to do with any job description that had the word security in it, nothing.
	And I'm glad I did that.
	And at the time, I was wondering, What do I need?
	A nasty-looking black rifle with a 30-round detachable box magazine.
	I didn't have an AR-15.
	All my friends did.
	I went out and got a Ruger Mini-14, which does exactly the same thing.
	It's just not as modular as an AR-15.
	Not as scary-looking.
	That's it up there.
	That's it up on the rack there to the extreme left of the screen.
	Next to my two ARs.
	In any case, more recently, I was speaking with a good friend of mine, a guy that I went through basic with, and we've stayed in touch.
	He went to the Ranger Battalions.
	I went through SF.
	He's a very intelligent guy.
	He got out, became a mechanical engineer.
	So we have a lot in common.
	In any case, I told him, you know, what do I need?
	a scary-looking rifle with a 30-round magazine, a semi-automatic, you know, rifle.
	And my friend, who's black, he said, Pete, there used to be something in this country called lynching.
	And they would go and arbitrarily just find some poor guy, one of their neighbors, and they'd string him up from a tree.
	And then they'd take a group photo.
	The whole town would come out, and the sheriff would be standing there.
	And often, the state governor, he was aware of it, and he was giving his testimony.
	Gotta wrap it, Pete.
	And he said, if every black man in America in those days had a semi-automatic rifle with a 30-round magazine, lynching never would have become a national sport.
	And that's what the kind of oppression the Second Amendment's talking about.
	Bingo.
	There you have it.
	Pete Crittenden, author of Drowning Creek.
	This is Jim Hanson with America First Radio.
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	And I am glad to be back sitting in Sib's chair as he is up in Alaska eating salmon raw.
	He's just biting the heads off him like he's a grizzly bear.
	But listen, I want to dig into a topic now that I think gets far too little attention.
	And full disclosure, the gentleman I'm about to introduce, I work with.
	I do some work for Middle East Forum.
	Sam Westrop is the director of Islamist Watch, which is a project of the Middle East Forum.
	And for those of you who aren't as deeply entrenched in this as we are, Islamists are the bad version of Islam that really is the extremists, the totalitarian, the ones who believe they want to impose Sharia law, the ones who cause the trouble.
	And the difference we make that I think is important is Islamists are the problem, and moderate Islam can be a solution.
	And I think in order for that to happen, though, someone has to shine the light on what the Islamist groups are doing.
	That requires a lot of research, and Sam Westrop has done that.
	So welcome to the show, Sam.
	I want to dig into some of that research you've done.
	Well, thank you for having me.
	And you know, this is a moment in time where the media is generally not interested in this subject.
	And so there's a huge amount going on, especially as it relates to funding.
	And so, you know, I welcome the opportunity to talk about it, whatever the platform, I'm keen to explain why this is such a serious threat.
	And I think right now one of the reasons we can get a few people to listen is Hamas stepped so far over the line in the horrific acts of October 7th that they shined a light on everyone associated with them that in some cases is going to cause those groups trouble.
	Now, one of the things you did well before, you know, a lot of this was going on, you were digging into the groups in the United States.
	Some of these are U.S.
	charities, you know, IRS-recognized 501c3s and other types of charitable organizations that raise money in the United States.
	And then funnel it overseas to Hamas-affiliated groups, Hezbollah-affiliated groups, you know, other terrorist groups, not directly, but the people who are directly next to them.
	And so in the interest, you know, that money is fungible, in many ways, this money raised in the U.S.
	by nonprofits and charities is benefiting terrorist groups.
	And tell us a little bit about what you found.
	Yeah, there's a lot to unpack here, so I'm going to be as concise as possible.
	From the perspective of Hamas, it's estimated to raise about two to three billion dollars a year in revenue, at least before October 7th.
	Some 500 million of that is likely from what they call the charitable coalition.
	So that's a non-profit infrastructure across the Middle East, the Far East, Europe, and, of course, North America.
	But that's money going directly to Hamas.
	There's also indirect funding.
	And, again, that predominantly takes place through the charitable infrastructure.
	Now, groups like Hamas and its parent movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, and, indeed, Islamist movements across the world of all stripes, have long used charity as a way to advance ideology.
	Charity provides an enormous amount of benefits.
	On the one hand, it obviously raises money, but it also builds infrastructure, social infrastructure, it indoctrinates the people.
	It's how the Muslim Brotherhood became popular in Egypt in the 1930s, 1940s onwards, because it was providing all the welfare that local government, tribal government, and eventually national government was not.
	It's how Hamas became popular in the Gaza Strip, Because while the PLO was embezzling money, Hamas was providing aid.
	It was housing the homeless, it was feeding the hungry.
	So charity is a key part of Islamist infrastructure.
	Even al-Qaeda and ISIS set up charitable infrastructure in territories under their command.
	Western charities, therefore, that have an ideological sympathy with these foreign terror groups, were either set up directly for this effort or have over the years veered to support this effort.
	In other words, there is a vast charitable infrastructure around the world, including in the United States and Europe, set up to subsidize, to support, to underpin Terror group operations abroad.
	And as you say, that money is fungible.
	And it's difficult to stop and it's difficult to track.
	Because if you're a Western 501c, if you're a US 501c, and you're giving money to build a youth centre in the Gaza Strip, and Hamas is nowhere involved on paper, it's difficult to prosecute that.
	It's difficult to place interdictions on that without prohibiting vast swathes of charitable work more generally.
	So this is a wonderful opportunity for Islamists.
	Charity has long been a means for extremists to advance themselves, to fundraise, to recruit, to legitimize.
	And the U.S.
	in particular has a vast 501c network set up to do this.
	Now, we track all of American Islam, both the good, the bad, and everyone in between.
	And that's some 8,000 organizations.
	That's mosques, schools, grant-making foundations.
	But charities make up a considerable part of that, not in terms of number of institutions, but in terms of revenue and expenditure.
	We are talking hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars every year, and a significant number of charities.
	Go ahead.
	Let me ask you that, but you've identified, you know, the basic nexus between these charities and the groups that benefit from that overseas. But you went a
	step farther and you began gathering data that these charities in the United States are required
	to report. So there's publicly available data of grants that these charities get from the U.S.
	government, in many cases, of grants they make to other organizations that you've been able to track
	through multiple steps to getting to terrorist adjacent groups, if not directly to terrorists.
	And all of this is legitimate, government-validated information that you've gathered in a database that now is available to go ahead and track the movements of this money, correct?
	That's right.
	So I mentioned 8,000 organizations.
	4,500 of those at least are registered 501Cs.
	Now, there's an exemption for churches and thus for mosques when it comes to filing tax returns, and so not all of those 501Cs file.
	But that still gives us thousands of published tax returns every year to go through.
	And these tax returns include details, to some extent, it's not comprehensive, but includes some details of how money is moving through these networks, both between the different organizations that make up this network, but also to other movements and groups abroad, both terror-related and terror-adjacent, as you called it.
	So there's a huge amount to look through.
	We track, well, we've uncovered now about 30,000 grants worth over a billion dollars of Islamist money,
	or Islamic money, more generally, rather, moving through the 501c system.
	So this is a lot of data and a lot of money.
	And the American 501c system is both good and bad.
	It's great because it's transparent, because these tax returns are published
	and we can scrape them en masse and understand how money moves.
	Once you understand how money moves, you can understand how people move, how ideas move,
	how networks are made up and so on.
	The bad is that the American 501c is the most laissez-faire in the world.
	Now, you might regard that actually as good in some instances, but when it comes to the Islamists, this is a problem, because that means you can set up a 501c and your only purpose is to support, you know, tax-free extremists either here domestically or overseas, and you still qualify for that charitable status.
	In Europe, theoretically, you have to prove your benevolent intent.
	The IRS does not police its 501Cs.
	It does not police its charities.
	So you have some really extreme groups taking advantage of the 501C system.
	And that doesn't just allow you to take in contributions tax-free.
	It gives a whole host of other benefits.
	But can't we use this information now?
	And I know the attempt and the effort is to provide this to oversight organizations such as in Congress and IGs for some of the organizations making grants to these places to push them to do that oversight.
	Is that something we can expect traction with?
	It seems so common sense that they should be looking at this.
	Can we get them to actually do it?
	I would hope so.
	Here's the problem.
	The law is just not being enforced.
	We don't really even need new legislation here.
	We just need the law to be enforced.
	There's a couple of things worth pointing out.
	One, we have plenty of examples of federal terror law being broken.
	Take a charity called Rama Worldwide, a Michigan-based charity, right now is running around in the Gaza Strip Working with Hamas on the one hand, and on the other hand, on the jackets of its volunteers in the Gaza Strip, it has the logo of a designated terrorist organization, a Kuwaiti group, called the Revival of Islamic Heritage Society.
	Here is an American 501c clearly engaging in materials with this designated terrorist organization.
	Can we get the federal government to investigate, to prosecute, Not so far.
	And this is a problem we come across time and time again.
	We come across examples of federal law being broken, and it might be terror finance, or indeed, we came across something just last year, sanctions relating to Iran clearly being broken by a powerful network of Iranian Islamist 501Cs.
	Again, we couldn't get the federal government to investigate.
	So if the law can be enforced, a significant chunk of this network can be suppressed, can be shut down.
	The problem is, For all of the bravado, the gung-ho attitude towards clamping down on Islamist terror finance after 9-11, that stopped in 2008 with Obama coming in.
	It stopped.
	The task forces were shut down, and politicians showed no interest.
	Well, we're going to have to see what we can do to ramp them back up, and we can dig into some of the specifics of how to do that.
	We're going to continue talking to Sam Westrop, director of Islamist Watch.
	And I am Jim Hanson.
	This is America First Radio.
	We'll be back in a minute.
	It's not like I don't know this stuff, but just hearing you articulate it, I'm like, why the hell?
	You know, I want to go drive over to Congress and choke somebody.
	Which I might do shortly, you know?
	In a very polite and non-violent way, you know?
	Yeah.
	More like the Darth Vader kind, right?
	Where's my oxygen going?
	Oh, man.
	Peaceful strangulation.
	Peaceful strangulation.
	That's kind of, that's good.
	It's like the mostly nonviolent protest, or mostly peaceful protest.
	Fiery but mostly peaceful.
	Yeah, fiery but mostly peaceful.
	That was a real chyron.
	That's the best.
	That's one of the best.
	You know, that's just a sign that we cannot trust our media.
	What was the one for Biden?
	What was the AP one they just did?
	The New York Times said, for Biden, what looks like age might actually be style.
	See, and then they had, one was like sharp and focused, but occasionally confused and drooling or something, you know?
	Do you see the Economist cover?
	Yeah, yeah, they put the walker out there.
	Brutal!
	You know, it's a sign.
	I mean, if even those guys are attacking him, what they don't realize is they're attacking their own credibility.
	You know, you can't walk away from that.
	No.
	It wasn't just those evil right-wingers.
	And it's in the normie lexicon now that Biden's senile.
	Like, the media did just enough of a job keeping it a secret for three years, but now they can't avoid it.
	Everyone knows.
	Hey, I'm fine.
	All the alternatives are looking good for our team going forward.
	So I'm looking forward to having some fun.
	We were talking, Sam, about what we could do if we actually had an AG who was a gamer.
	You know, I mean, and there's some people, you know, assuming Trump wins, who are under consideration for Attorney General, who would play with us.
	You know, I mean, you want to talk about being able to get this done, you got to have somebody who's willing to point a finger at an AUSA and say, do it.
	What was this thing today about Trump backing away from Project 2025?
	We talked about that.
	I'm not going to sit here in a very Trump-friendly chair next to a MAGA hat and deny that, of
	course, Trump knows what Project 2025 is.
	But it's getting a lot—the left's going crazy about it.
	Oh, it's Christian nationalism, you know, they're gonna pack up everybody in the federal government who disagrees with them and send them to internment camps and all this stuff.
	So it's basically causing bad publicity.
	And somebody next to Trump, and Trump's been really smart, I mean, uncharacteristically quiet recently.
	You know, he's been letting the Democrats screw up and just golfing, you know, and smiling about it.
	And so finally someone said, look, this is, this is bad pub.
	Why don't you just say you don't know what it is?
	I'm 95% sure that's what it was.
	Cause I, we know he knows what it is, you know, but now he's saying he's plausible deniability.
	Oh no, I don't know what those heritage guys are doing.
	They're doing some crazy project.
	I'm, I'm just over here golfing.
	Don't worry about this.
	He's trying to, these are not the droids you're looking for, you know.
	20 seconds.
	You're not going to find them.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hanson.
	I am most definitely Jim Hanson.
	This is most definitely America First Radio.
	And we're continuing to talk with my compatriot, Sam Westrop, Director of Islamist Watch for the Middle East Forum.
	Now, Sam, we talked last segment a little bit about the difficulty of getting the government to engage.
	In the blatant fundraising to benefit terrorist groups that's being done in the United States and the activities of some of the nonprofits that they've gotten together in this pretty vast network that is funding bad activities overseas and here.
	But you've had actually some success in getting at least one agency to look at this.
	Now, U.S.
	Agency for International Development, USAID, provides Billions and billions of dollars, most of it very useful to operations to help people around the world.
	But they were also providing grants to groups that in many cases were very, very cozy, sometimes directly cozy with terrorist groups.
	And you got their inspector general to actually go ahead and say they're going to start taking a look at this.
	Tell us a little bit about what you found and what they might be looking at.
	OK, well, first the problem.
	The problem is, as you say, vast amounts of money going from USAID agencies for international development to radical groups around the world.
	So there are two problems here.
	One, direct funding to foreign radicals, but also funding to domestic radicals who then distribute the money further, either to sub-grantees or directly to projects under the purview of groups like Hamas.
	So, for example, just writing a couple of months ago on a USAID grant or series of grants worth $1 million to a group in Gaza called the Bayadere Association.
	This association has launch events for its projects that feature the son of Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas.
	They don't even try to hide the Hamas link.
	This is a serious problem, and funding from USA to Islamists has increased steadily since 2010, reaching its peak under Trump, I'm afraid, in 2018 at over $10 million.
	And a lot of that came from one particular grant to a group called the Islamic Circle of North America, a very dangerous group affiliated with the South Asian Islamist movement called Jamaat-e-Islami.
	That has a sister organization called Helping Hand for Relief and Development, which we caught working with terrorists in Pakistan in about 2019.
	The Biden administration then gave money to this sister group, HHRD.
	The Office of the Inspector General at USAID has now started investigating that grant.
	But this is just one grant of Hundreds and hundreds of federal grants worth tens of millions of dollars going to Islamist groups.
	It grew significantly under Obama.
	It quadrupled under Trump.
	It's reduced a little under Biden, but it's still very significant.
	And really, for the last few years, we've been telling people that the federal government is really the largest single funder of lawful Islamism in the West.
	Can't we put, though, a disconnect into this system by requiring actual vetting, not the kind of faux vetting they do now?
	You know, something with teeth in it, something that requires investigations, a look at who these groups are affiliated with, a look at where their grant money has gone in the past.
	And force them to do that, whether, you know, I mean, obviously the money comes from Congress, so they have oversight over these agencies to say, if you are providing money and we can track it having gone to terrorism, why aren't you doing that on the front end?
	And then also following up when you do give grants to ensure that it doesn't happen again in the future.
	I think because everyone would come out of this looking terrible, both parties, all administrations.
	The money we know about, I reckon, is a very small proportion of the true sums.
	And it's not just the non-profit sector as well.
	I mean, if you look at the private sector, there are some major Islamist-run corporations doing multi-million dollar deals with the US military,
	which have ties to a group in Virginia called the SAR Network,
	which was investigated back in the 2000s for its own terror finance ties.
	Now its businesses, a part of this network, do million dollar contracts with the US Air Force and
	others.
	So this is a huge problem.
	And I think if it were truly investigated, there would be a lot of red faces.
	The other problem here is that there's some constitutional, of course,
	problems on imposing limits on certain religious groups not getting money.
	So you have to come up with ways to get around that.
	Now, there is, are vetting requirements.
	associated with USAID grants and other grants.
	And to a large extent, it's the first problem I spoke about.
	This is again, the rules not being enforced.
	So USAID is supposed to not give money to groups whose officials advocate for terrorism.
	Well, we have more examples than I can count of that exact thing happening.
	So again, it's the rules not being enforced.
	And no administration has proved competent enough to really stop this and look at this problem.
	This is a real crisis.
	And if you listen to what European leaders are saying now, about Islamism, about the growth of radical Islam
	in their countries, they're saying, for years, for decades, we have been funding this problem.
	We are partly responsible for its growth.
	I wish we had been more sensible.
	I wish we had been less stupid.
	I wish we had been less self-destructive.
	That conversation is not happening in the US.
	Their citizens are making that clear in their voting for parties that have said we are not going to continue importing people who hold an ideology and espouse and push an ideology that literally is trying to deconstruct our society and causing not just criminal damage but doing things that are Destructive to an entire way of life.
	So I think, now I'm willing for some people to get embarrassed.
	I don't have a problem with embarrassment all the way around if that problem can be stopped here.
	You know, we need to not be Europe.
	Europe needs to be the canary for our coal mine.
	And what they did, we need to stop before they get that big a foothold here.
	And like you said, if that requires some embarrassment of people for things they did in the past, I don't care as long as it stops the problem going forward.
	I mean, I quite agree.
	And look, there's a second round of the French elections on Sunday, and it's possible a national rally government will emerge for the majority.
	Probably not now, it's looking.
	But either way, their enormous growth of vote, their enormous success is because of this problem, because of the French people seeing radical Islam destroy their towns and suburbs, especially, and taking action.
	The same needs to happen here.
	And if you look up at Minnesota, and you look at Michigan, places like Hamtramck, You wear Islamists now control local government and you see the incredibly dangerous divisive Islamist rhetoric now working its way into Congress, then clearly something has to be done.
	My worry, Jim, is that the right does not take this subject seriously anymore.
	And time and time again, we see GOP officials now reaching out to the very radicals they criticized the left for speaking with 10 years ago.
	So, as a whole, America is not thinking properly about what is happening to Europe and why that might happen here if they repeat those same European mistakes.
	You know, I think I would like to thank the Hamas mobs for bringing this in a very dangerous, violent, rude belligerence.
	They're burning flags yesterday, you know, in Lafayette Square on Independence Day in Washington, D.C., right across from the White House.
	So I would hope that that may be something that can actually generate the kind of outrage necessary to remind people that our culture is not required to submit itself to Islamist groups that want to destroy it.
	And I think if we're allowing them to be funded in these other things, we need to stop that.
	Sam Westrup, Director of Islamist Watch at the Middle East Forum.
	I highly commend your work, people.
	Go to the website, meforum.org.
	Soon to be a very cool-looking website and newer, but right now all the information is there.
	Go ahead and check that out, and we will go ahead and continue the America First radio for at least another 30 minutes trying to solve the rest of the world's problems.
	I am Jim Hanson.
	This is America First.
	We'll be back after the break.
	So I appreciate it.
	And that was exactly what I was hoping for.
	So right on, man.
	Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
	All right.
	Talk to you soon.
	Awesome.
	Alright.
	Three and a half minutes.
	minutes.
	Dude, you'd be stunned if you actually saw the amount of data he has collected.
	I could just listen to all the charities names.
	Oh, dude, it's he has, I think, 60,000 organizations and more than a million entries in a database that's cross referenced back and forth across all of it.
	We actually are getting it in front of House Oversight and some other people to get some hearings done and basically try to pull the rug out from under these people.
	But it's it's evil what they've been getting away with.
	I mean, when you look at, like, Ilhan Omar giving speeches in her native tongue saying, like, oh, Somalia first, and Shia Tlaib talking to Palestinians as her people, like, Muslims really are, like, invading and infiltrating this government.
	It's, it's been, you know, I mean, there was a point in time after 9-11 where everyone was like, okay, we got to stop this.
	And like Sam said, we got kind of, eh, nothing bad has happened.
	You know, we got other things to worry about.
	And that happened.
	You know what really happened is that right away, like, leftist, you know, civil rights orgs, like the ACLU, immediately were like, uh, yeah, actually, Muslims are the real victims here.
	Like, there was a friend of mine who's from New Jersey who remembered, like, you know, she could see the smoke from 9-11 that morning, and she remembers being in class the morning after with classmates who literally became orphans the day before, and representatives from, like, the ACLU were in class to lecture them about, hey, you know, we want to make your Muslim classmates feel safe, okay?
	They're the real victims here, like, and just...
	And as a kid, she's like, yeah, that was the first thing that radicalized me.
	It should.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Man, I can't believe me and Carafano agreed on everything.
	I was a joke in the last time there was one of those heritage roundtables where there were probably 20 people in the room.
	Yep.
	You know, and It was me and me who were saying, let's end the Ukraine war, and everybody else in the room was, we can't ever do that until Putin's been killed and drawn and quartered and his head's on a pike, and we... I was, literally, it was crazy.
	I mean, this isn't the Cold War anymore.
	It's a different world, but...
	You gotta give him a way out of it that saves face, otherwise he's not gonna quit.
	He's not going down to the cross-dressing, coke-sniffing comedian.
	That's just not happening.
	He was an actor.
	He played a fictional president on TV.
	And he spent a lot Quite a bit too much time wearing women's clothes.
	I mean, he was like the Monty Python of Ukraine.
	That's like if we elected Kevin Spacey president here.
	I would vote for Frank Underwood, I'll say that.
	Oh, Frank was a monster.
	That was the sad thing about it.
	You know, the funny thing was I heard a story about him From a friend of ours, because Kevin Spacey hit on his buddy.
	This kid was like 24, and his buddy was 22, and Kevin Spacey hit on him in the, uh, was it the Watergate?
	I think it was the Watergate Hotel Bar.
	Fitting.
	Right?
	Oh man.
	Now if it was a girl he hit on, he'd just be Leo DiCaprio.
	Right, which is fine, and you can do that.
	And you can, you can hit on young guys, but you can't, you know, then lie about the fact that you're also hitting on underage ones and stuff like that.
	He's a scumbag.
	Oh man.
	Alright.
	All right, 10 seconds.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hanson.
	Hey folks, it is Jim Hanson, and we're going to finish strong.
	This has been a fun several hours of America First Radio.
	We've been talking about a lot of stuff, but we want to talk with you.
	So the lines are open, 833-334-6752, 833-33-GORKA.
	We've got a caller, Kent from Texas.
	We've got a caller, Kent from Texas.
	What is on your mind, my friend?
	Hey, Jim, Uncle Jimbo.
	That's me.
	You may remember me.
	We spoke a year or so ago when you were guest hosting.
	I'm a software engineer, and we had a nice conversation about Section 230.
	Okay.
	And, well, I have a different algorithm I want to run by you today, because I've heard you say from time to time that you, to the effect that you don't really consider yourself a Republican, but you work with them because they're the closest party to what you do believe.
	That's pretty accurate.
	Well, I have a theory about that.
	I think that the two-party system is inherently flawed, because when you only have two parties, they both know that no matter how badly they mess up a country, four years later or eight years later, they're going to be back in power.
	And this leads to complacency and also to an attitude of, you scratch your back, I'll scratch,
	you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours, because both parties know that once they get out of power,
	the other party will be in an opportunity to get revenge.
	So I was very intrigued that Trump met with some libertarians.
	I think they're the, well, in general, I think we need some more parties,
	and I think the libertarians, some of their positions are pretty extreme,
	but we could move a lot farther in their direction before we got into any real problems.
	So that's really interesting, because I agree.
	You know, I've never registered as a Republican because I just, they've always been so useless.
	You know, they've always been weak, since Reagan.
	You know, I didn't register as a Republican, but I voted for Reagan, and he was the last president before Trump that I voted for.
	In between, I voted against the Democrat.
	So my party affiliation was anti-Democrat, anti-statist.
	And if my political leanings—if I could articulate them well, they would probably be conservative
	on fiscal policy and national security foreign policy, and then libertarian in
	that I don't want anybody telling me what to do. I do not recognize the right
	of any human being other than my wife to go ahead and tell me what to do and
	force me to do it.
	And so I didn't sign up for anything that says I will allow governments to do that.
	But I live in the United States.
	I abide by which laws I choose to abide by.
	And I would be happy if the Republican Party could ingest some libertarian ideals.
	The problem I have is libertarianism and the Libertarian Party are not a governing There's no real way to implement libertarian ideals in a government, because in the end, the problem with that much freedom is stupid people get it too, and they will do stupid things that we don't want them to do.
	You know, I'm fine.
	with libertarianism for me, because I'm smart enough, as far as I'm concerned, to do the right thing.
	But when you get that kind of freedom in the hands of dumb people, they'll do dumb stuff.
	And that's what the left then uses against us.
	They'll pick, oh, look at what happens when we give that much individual liberty to people.
	They do crazy, stupid things that are damaging to themselves and others.
	And so consequently, we should have the state Set a good set of guys and we'll have a bunch of smart bureaucrats like Dr. Fauci go ahead and decide, you know, oh, well, you need this type of a vaccine to go here and this to go here.
	So you've got those two competitive extremes that are, you know, statism and totalitarian control of some flavor.
	Where they're telling us what to do, and pure libertarianism, which is, no you can't, you know, just pertineer anarchy, and then you keep moving back towards them.
	And I don't think we could ever, you know, get to a parliamentary system.
	We'd have to, you know, throw the Constitution out, not willing to do that.
	But if we could generate a party that was more libertarian Idealistically, then a lot of the Republican Party.
	I think that would be helpful.
	And then maybe you've got to make deals.
	You know, maybe you have a Republican presidential candidate and a libertarian VP.
	But then what happens?
	Okay, the Libertarian VP comes in and all of a sudden everything's legal.
	I don't know how you make it work in practice, but in theory I think it's the right idea.
	And I wish there was a clearer path to doing it, but I am open to exploring how to do that.
	Not sure a third party becomes helpful, Because everybody always says, okay, 30% people on each side who believe this, and then 20% on each side that believe this, and 60% in the middle who are the unspoken middle because the edges control it.
	Well, I don't know how we make that better, but I still want conservative values to run things as long as they leave me alone.
	Okay, well we're going to keep the phone lines open 833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752 on this revolutionary America First weekend.
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	Back after the break.
	A multi-party system.
	Just because, you know, the two-party rule is just so stupid.
	Alright, now what's multi-party?
	We're still just adding, like, you know... Coalitions, preferably.
	Like, it would take multiple parties to make a government.
	Like, which is better, I think.
	Alright, so what would happen if the United States was a parliamentary democracy?
	Like, imagine if, like, the Constitution Party... You're probably... Like, the Constitution Party having more seats would be base.
	That's, like, the real far-right party in America.
	The Libertarians, like... It'd be funny to see the split, because there's lefty Libertarians and there's right-wing Libertarians, and then...
	Imagine, like, the Dems having to work with the Greens.
	Like, all the squad members would just be in the Green Party.
	Oh, yeah.
	To say nothing of, like, every now and then maybe another third party, like our own Reform UK would suddenly pop up.
	The problem is the mechanisms.
	You know, we're so entrenched now that the mechanisms of power and money, you know, are so almost impossible to move out of the way.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Either that or I just wish we could abolish parties altogether, like Washington would have wanted.
	No parties, like, literally not allowed.
	That'd be a little messy, don't you think?
	It's a pretty big country to have.
	See, that's why I'm not a libertarian.
	You know, it's funny.
	Back before Jonah Goldberg turned into a complete ass clown, when he was still the guy at National Review writing the G-file and was a solid conservative, he came to the University of Wisconsin-Madison to speak.
	And so me and my buddy went to go see the thing, and we took him out afterwards to go drink at the student union at UW-Madison.
	And we're sitting there and a bunch of college libertarians joined us, right?
	And Goldberg leans over to me and he says, hey man, I bet you it's no more than 12 minutes before one of these guys says we have to legalize child porn.
	And he was right.
	Oh, no!
	Now that's just a mainstream Democrat position.
	You know, exactly.
	Yeah, that's how far we've come.
	But it was just, you know, we're just like, okay, they were like, oh, libertarianism is the only way to go.
	I'm like, I love libertarian ideas.
	It's not a governing philosophy.
	You can't govern as a libertarian because it's not really governing.
	They just inevitably come down to like, um, if there's a victim, it's not a crime or something like that.
	And it's all like, well, what can, and so, yeah, it went where, what can you ban?
	You know, okay, I'm fine.
	Bake weed legal.
	Sure.
	Who cares?
	You know, but then what, where do you stop it?
	Heroin?
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Which drugs do you not legalize?
	And they're like, no, you can't have any because it's, you know, individual freedom.
	Don't you believe in liberty?
	I'm like, yeah, I do.
	But as a culture, you can't organize a society around everybody doing whatever the hell they want because people are stupid.
	Like you!
	They should just change the party name to Libertine Party at that point.
	Libertine Party!
	That's what they are.
	I remember Sargon of Akkad did a really great video a while back analyzing the various black
	blocs.
	He talked about anarcho-communism, anarcho-capitalism, and he said anarcho-capitalism is the most
	delusional of all of them because at least anarcho-communists acknowledge that you won't
	have private property rights in their ideal state.
	Anarcho-capitalists literally think you can have no state, but you'll somehow still have
	But who enforces that?
	Like, if your weed farm gets attacked by a neighbor who has an RPG and you have nothing but an AK and you lose, who do you complain to about that?
	Yeah, I mean, that's absurd.
	Whatever.
	And anarcho-capitalism is the end state of libertarianism, I think.
	Inevitably.
	The end state of libertarianism?
	Is anarcho-capitalism.
	That's really... I think that I would agree with that.
	Because everybody's doing their own thing, you have to make your own money.
	Yep.
	Right?
	And be free to do that, but there's nothing to back you up if it goes to shit.
	Exactly.
	And that's why I would have the most guns and a compound full of pipe hitters.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hanson.
	It sure is.
	And I appreciate Seb letting me sit in his chair on my booster seat because he's a giant.
	He is currently wandering around a giant cruise ship somewhere up in Alaska with 400 listeners, which I would encourage anyone to go on next year.
	It looks like they're having a blast.
	They even let Seb drive the boat.
	All right, we are talking to the America First audience because this is a conversation and we're trying to figure out how to win.
	So I want to go now to Joe in Motown, Philly.
	Well, not Motown, Philly.
	That's a that's a Boyz II Men song.
	Joe, what's up, buddy?
	Hey, Jim, I just wanted to ask you, you could get like Sebastian Gorka to talk to President Trump about that thing you were just saying about how It quadrupled the money going out to these Muslim organizations all over the world.
	I was shocked when your guest said that a little while ago.
	That's very concerning.
	I don't know.
	Can you talk to Sebastian Gorka about that and have him You know, communicate to him that he needs to change that in 2024.
	I would love to.
	Seb, I know, understands the danger and I've spoken with him about it.
	And we actually have some pretty good access to the people writing the Republican platform right now and who will be staffing a likely Trump administration.
	And I expect to make some headway.
	Against this, because it's absurd for us to allow our enemies to fundraise in our country and send money to terrorists and send money to groups.
	You know, raise money here in the United States for groups here that are doing things.
	You know, the people who are funding these Hamas mobs on the campuses and all over that, some of it's foreign money.
	Some of it's coming from Iran and Qatar and other places like that.
	Some of it's Soros money.
	You know, there are a lot of people, some of it's the big leftist foundations, because a lot of this is the same, you know, convergence between the socialist Antifa commie scumbag wing and the, you know, Hamas loving terror loving wing, who just happened to be the cause of the day.
	So I think all of that together, you always say when you're dealing with any investigation into bad things, it's better to follow the money.
	You know, you can know they're wrong, and you can want to take them down because they're wrong.
	But if you follow the money, you can shut them down.
	And that's what we need to do.
	We need to shut down all of these mobs that are tearing stuff up.
	They're attacking Jews and intimidating people.
	That's just not something we—it's a domestic insurgency, and it's not something we should allow.
	So I'm 100 percent in favor of pushing that into the administration and bringing the pain.
	All right.
	Hey, we got Harry in Atlanta.
	What you want to talk about?
	Thanks for filling in.
	It's been an interesting conversation.
	What if we didn't have Republicans, we didn't have Democrats or Libertarians?
	What if we had a Constitution Party where you only follow what's in the Constitution?
	If there's something else you don't want to do, you've got to get it in the Constitution or it comes by through the states.
	That's the way it was designed to start with.
	The states are making most laws and should make the most laws.
	You know, I think you just articulated something very good.
	Eric was talking about that in the break, that a constitutionalist party would be a great thing to have, because there's a reason that document still exists.
	There's so little wrong in it.
	You know, there were some major flaws, as I mentioned—slavery and women's rights, okay?
	Those were failures.
	Those were not all men are created equal.
	So once we got those out of the way, though, there's nothing else in there That really needs to be changed.
	So I think the idea of creating a way to focus our governance and the way our individual groups and political entities interact with a requirement that that be constitutionally sound would be fantastic.
	Now, you can't enforce it.
	One of the nice things about this country is you could actually have an anti-constitutionalist party.
	Where everything they did was designed to try and destroy the Constitution of the United States.
	And as long as they didn't call for open incitement of violent rebellion, they can do that.
	So I think we have to anticipate that there is, you know, a requirement to allow even idiotic unconstructive, destructive ideas and parties and groups of people to have power.
	But if we go ahead and take the positive side of that and say there is such a wealth of good advice on how to create a culture and a society and the governance of those, well at least the society part, the culture we got to work on, we got to crush Hollywood.
	But The idea of how to run a society that rewards those who produce and also helps those who can't help themselves, but is not just a giant pig
	with a bunch of parasites on it, you know, going ahead and producing nothing and sucking the life out of all of us.
	I think you got to get to find a way to make that appealing.
	And I think the way to make it appealing is it's tough to tell people, oh, the Constitution is complicated.
	We should just follow the Constitution.
	It's not that complicated, but most people won't dig into it.
	But if you can tell them that the precepts in the Constitution produce the two things almost everybody wants—security and prosperity—if you follow and allow the government only to do Those constitutionally sound things, then they will get out of the way of the people who want to produce and will produce.
	And we can still deal with those.
	You know, we can have laws and take care of the criminals, but we don't regulate ourselves.
	We don't allow government to become bloated.
	And this giant permanent bureaucracy that is sucking the life out of our businesses,
	sucking the life out of people who want to create, people who want to do things and can't because they've
	got a million government regulations to go ahead and comply with.
	So I think somewhere in there, there's a message that needs to be crafted.
	And maybe this is the gift we get in a second Trump administration.
	Right now, we're arguing not on the terms of where are we going to be in the long term.
	We're arguing on how are we going to stop the massive decline that the left has put us
	on over the past four years.
	Now we can look back to what Trump did in the first four years, but now we need to look forward.
	To what will we do in a second Trump administration to show the American people that they want us running this country because what we bring them is the things that make their family thrive and keep them safe and allow them to pursue happiness as all Americans have the right.
	So we're working on it.
	And I, again, hate to have a positive attitude, but I like the way things are going.
	So this is Jim Hanson.
	We're doing America First Radio.
	We got one more segment, and then we're going to call it a weekend.
	All righty.
	Man!
	Yeah, because that's funny.
	I don't even know what to say.
	The ho ho ho yeah, because that's funny. It's a short. Yeah, it's only 19 seconds. That's I haven't even heard this. I
	can't wait Just he's just
	I don't even know what to say he's
	There's I I still don't know for sure if they get rid of him or not. They know he can't keep doing this
	I think they have to he's He's so bad right now that he can't debate, he can't do anything.
	There's nothing left that he's capable of doing.
	How can you justify giving him the nuclear codes?
	I was talking before about things that inevitably will come along soon that will boost Trump, like the VP pick and his sentencing when he is sentenced.
	But also, I was just reminded, someone on Axe posted, Oh, I love that.
	Netanyahu is supposed to come visit very soon.
	That'll really make those riders flare up.
	Oh, I love that.
	That could make them finally go full BLM.
	You know, one thing that we're doing at MEF is we've got a collection of lawsuits
	against the funders that are underway.
	And there'll be some really interesting stuff coming out.
	Those who are funding, like, the protesters?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Because someone's got to be organizing that.
	I mean, the thing is, because they know this doesn't help them like the BLM riots did, but it's still clearly well organized.
	Like, it's not the Democrats organizing it this time, huh?
	No, but it's their friends.
	It's all the usual suspects.
	It's the same people who funded the BLM riots.
	And we've got plaintiffs, we've got stuff, and it's going to be a RICO.
	Because it's multi-state, and it's damages.
	It's going to be so bad for the bad guys.
	I can't wait.
	I love that it's clearly a bunch of true believers who just got off the leash.
	If the Democrats could, they would have squashed these protests, but they can't.
	No, no, no.
	Because the angry wing is going to be angry.
	And that's the best part.
	Every time the Democrats try to do something reasonable, these guys are going to go bat shit.
	I can't wait for the convention, man.
	Theirs or ours?
	Theirs, in Chicago.
	I guess they gotta have one, because now they're gonna have to do Kamala, so they're gonna have to have kind of the coronation.
	Well, because they're nominating Biden early with a virtual convention in order to keep him on the ballot of Ohio, I remember.
	Are they gonna?
	That means I think they gotta get it done.
	And I thought Ohio changed their rules.
	They tried to, and then it didn't work out or something?
	That's what I heard, at least.
	but that's what I'm talking about.
	I don't know.
	Another one of these guys from Heritage, Mike Howell is looking into that.
	So, I'll see you next time.
	Bye.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hansen.
	Hey folks, I am glad to be back.
	We're almost done with America vs. Radio.
	I'm bummed.
	I had more things I wanted to rant and rave about, but I think we got a lot of good stuff done.
	Hey, I've got to play a clip for you of Biden.
	I'm almost done beating up on Biden because it's pointless.
	He's on his way out.
	But he said something that I have to tell you a little personal story about.
	So go ahead and play the Joe Biden Independence Day clip.
	And we give thanks to our commander in chief, the president of the United States, the extraordinary president of the United States, Joe Biden!
	Ho, ho, ho!
	Happy Independence Day!
	Ho, ho, ho.
	Happy Independence Day.
	Come on, Joe, you're making it too easy, man.
	All right, so the personal piece of this is, you know, obviously we all have our discussions with our family and everything like this, and we've got a big family group text where we just pass stuff back and forth between my mom, dad, brothers, sisters, grandkids, all that stuff, right?
	So every time it's someone's birthday, I always post, ho, ho, ho, happy birthday.
	As a joke, because I'm that guy.
	I'm Uncle Jimbo.
	I do crazy stuff.
	As everybody goes, haha, right?
	But at least I know what holiday I'm talking about, and I'm joking.
	Biden just went in front of the world, and on July 4th, our national holiday, He Christmased it.
	And I'm sorry, that's just, that's just too much for anybody to take.
	So let's, let's go ahead and gird our loins for the upcoming battle.
	All right.
	This is a, it's a strong one.
	It's, it's an important one.
	And I want everybody to be focused on not just this election, but we talked a little bit about what What are we actually putting forth?
	Donald Trump's the candidate, but I'm not voting to have Trumpism as our national policy.
	I want a flavor of conservatism, a little libertarianism, a lot of constitutionalism, you know, all of those things.
	I want that Forged into a strong, coherent, powerful message that we can take to America and say, we don't want just four years of Donald Trump to go ahead and do the things that need to be done, like, you know, uproot the deep state, burn out the permanent bureaucracy, get the rot stopped.
	But then we need to go ahead and replant the seeds of liberty that went ahead and birthed this wonderful country that we all live in.
	So on this revolutionary weekend, spend your time.
	Grill out, drink beer, play frisbee, do whatever you want, enjoy the freedoms you've got, and come back strong for the finish.
	And let's get to a place where the precepts of liberty and freedom and prosperity and security once again rule this country.
	I'm Jim Hanson.

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