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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: I'm not watching the State of the Union. Are you?

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	♪♪♪ ♪♪♪
	♪♪♪ Biden's been practicing for weeks,
	not his speech, staying up past 9 o'clock.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	He'll do it.
	The average time of Biden's State of the Union is about one hour and six minutes.
	However, the feels like time is closer to four hours.
	Biden's speech will be broadcast on all the major networks like NBC, CBS, and ABC, which means the big winner tomorrow will be Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon.
	Is Jimmy Fallon the only... Why is he dying his hair?
	Jimmy, you're like, what, in your 30s?
	Seriously.
	Is he the only late-night comedian who's taking shots?
	Comedically.
	Calm down, media matters.
	The current incumbent in the White House.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	This is America First.
	I'm your host, Sebastian Gawke.
	It's the State of the Union tonight.
	Will you be watching it?
	I won't.
	I got a much more important thing to do.
	We can talk about that later.
	I want you to sound off.
	Tell us what you're doing this evening if you're going to be on Netflix or doing something far more important than watching.
	A real high-stakes State of the Union for the current incumbent in the White House.
	Because how is he going to justify what he's wrought to this nation in the last three years?
	If you go to my feed, we're getting the video right now.
	I didn't want to believe this, but Letitia James was addressing firefighters in New York and they just chanted Trump, Trump, Trump.
	The firefighters have had enough with the government of New York.
	America is pushing back.
	But everybody has to take a stand.
	Why?
	Well...
	Because of the lies that they're propagating and the fantasy world in which they live.
	The story from the New York Times has a rather... Eric, do you have the image from the New York Times I sent you earlier today, about an hour ago?
	Tell me when you've got it.
	It was texted to you.
	They have a large article about the State of the Union with Joe Biden.
	In some kind of cartoonish version of himself as Rocky.
	There it is.
	He's in a ring with boxing gloves on.
	They've superposed his senile old head onto an actual, you know, fit fighter's body.
	And this is from Miranda Devine.
	She posted this photograph of the New York Times.
	Here's the headline.
	At the State of the Union, let's see... Can you put it back?
	At the State of the Union, let's see... Dark Brandon in the house?
	What?
	Dark Brandon?
	Is he some kind of fictional superhero?
	Who is Dark Brandon?
	Is Dark Brandon the individual who opened our borders?
	Who caused the death of Laken Riley?
	Is Doc Brandon the person who sacrificed Afghanistan to the cost of 13 of our servicemen and women murdered by a suicide bomber from ISIS?
	Is Doc Brandon the man who stood by as KGB Colonel Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine for the second time?
	The first time was when he was Vice President.
	And now they invaded again.
	Or is Doc Brandon the person who stood by as 1,300 Israelis, men, women and children, were murdered by Hamas, which is controlled by Iran, that Biden literally just gave billions of dollars to?
	Is that Doc Brandon?
	Or is Doc Brandon the person who just Kowtows to the Chinese who says, come on man, they're not a competitor.
	Which dark brand are you talking about?
	How deep is the fantasy?
	Let's break this up into pieces.
	Unbelievably for the State of the Union.
	What did the left do?
	They thought it would be cute to bring together the Hollywood actors still alive today who have played the president in fictional movies.
	To advise President Biden on what he should say tonight.
	Just let that sink in for a second.
	Actors who dressed up to pretend to be the president advising the real president on what he should say today.
	Let's start playing that.
	Cut 40.
	I never spoke to so many presidents all at one time.
	Some of you might know what a big speech like I have to do is coming up to the State of the Union.
	Any advice you have for me in my delivering my speech?
	Well, sir, in my capacity as president, all I had to deal with was a meteor.
	One of the things that I came out of that with in my speech to people, hope.
	Hope is the strongest force we have on this stuff.
	It's the most useful and the most effective.
	My advice is just keep telling us how you're working for us and building hope.
	Well, Mr. President, you know, looking back at my own presidency, I behaved very badly in a lot of situations.
	In preparation for your speech, there was just one sort of piece of advice and that meant a lot to me when I was president.
	And so I just wanted to share that really quick with you.
	Tell them that you exist for them.
	Tell them that they make you a better man.
	And yeah, that's pretty much, that's pretty much it.
	And also when I used to give big speeches, I would always wind down with popcorn and red wine.
	So, but I know for you that would be ice cream.
	You know, do that with ice cream.
	I highly encourage it.
	I know from experience, obviously, what a tough job it is.
	And, you know, when I was president, it seemed... Enough, enough, enough, enough.
	You get the gist.
	Morgan Freedman, Gina Davis, Michael Douglas.
	The second one there, Tony Goldman, an actor you wouldn't have known of unless his grandfather wasn't part of Metro-Goldman-Mayer.
	What did he say?
	When I was president, when I was president, You're an actor.
	You're on a TV show.
	The left have lost it.
	They should be in a loony bin.
	People who pretended to be the president are advising the real president, just tell them that you exist.
	Let's talk about people in the real world.
	Lots of rumors in the last 48 hours about Elon Musk and a report that he's going to help President Trump.
	And Soros, I don't know.
	or donate to his campaign. He just tweeted out the following. He said, just to be super
	clear, I am not donating money to either candidate for US president. Why? Why? You're the same
	man who said this on the Joe Rogan show. Play cut.
	I don't know. I mean, he had a very difficult upbringing.
	And I, in my opinion, he fundamentally hates humanity.
	That's my opinion.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I mean, well, he's doing things that erode the fabric of civilization.
	You know, uh, getting DAs elected who refuse to prosecute crime.
	That's part of the problem in San Francisco and L.A.
	and much of other cities.
	So why would you do that?
	Was it humanity or is it just the United States as a whole?
	I mean, he's doing the same thing.
	He's doing the same thing?
	So, you understand the stakes, Elon.
	This is what I tweeted.
	To your tweet.
	Why not, Elon?
	Why aren't you supporting one of the candidates?
	Because it's a very simple choice.
	One candidate is destroying the nation you chose to be a citizen of, and which you clearly love.
	The other candidate, President Trump, wants to save America.
	You can't sit on the fence if you care about the United States.
	It's very simple.
	It's a binary choice.
	You understand the threat.
	You're an American by choice.
	So make a choice.
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	You Great yo, dr. G. What's going on? Yeah?
	Yo, Matt Boyle.
	What's up, dude?
	Are we having a good week?
	Yes, sir, dude.
	What a week, right?
	Donald Trump's the Republican nominee.
	Joe Biden's going to blame everybody else for all his problems.
	I think it feels like we're back in like 2017 and everything's moving at the speed of Trump.
	The news cycle is pretty crazy, right?
	Well, but it feels actually a lot like the 2016 campaign, though, right?
	Yeah.
	So, like, it's just, yes, it's very much Trump-driven, and Trump's in command of the narrative and the news cycle, so Biden's fighting for attention.
	It's pretty funny, like, I think the one power of the presidency Trump didn't give up when he left office was the bully pulpit.
	He still has the bully pulpit.
	Do you think he's going to get back on Twitter before the election?
	I don't know.
	We'll see.
	So, I don't know if that's a good idea or not.
	I don't think he needs to.
	So, I think he's been pretty effective through the true social stuff, right?
	Like, if it makes sense to do so at some point, then sure.
	Will you play for me?
	What is cut 13?
	That's Trump.
	Play it.
	Joe Biden is on the run from his record and lying like crazy to try and escape accountability.
	Okay, 12.
	I know, 11.
	They gotta put the microphone in every Republican's face.
	You know, would you vote for this guy?
	What do you have to say about it?
	These are some things that are nominated for a major state, a gubernatorial candidate, endorsed by your presidential candidate.
	Do you back Trump?
	You have to back people in the corner.
	And we pay way more for some naive people in our party.
	That guy is not naive, he's evil!
	I mean, what he said, that's not somebody being naive.
	That's insane.
	Twelve.
	Sexuality, any of that, Phil!
	Robinson calling survivors of the Parkland shooting in Florida, quote, spoiled, angry, and know-it-all children.
	Robinson posted that this foolishness about Hitler disarming millions of Jews and then marching them...
	What if he goes to foreign sources?
	What if he goes to Azerbaijan?
	He has a lot of business overseas.
	What if he goes to Russia?
	What if he goes and gets hundreds of millions of dollars from overseas?
	What does that mean if a candidate for president is on the hook For multiple, multiple millions of dollars to a foreign source, because that, it seems to me, is the most likely source.
	Banks, at this point, don't want anything to do with them.
	Deutsche Bank has lived a nightmare for decades now because of it.
	They've been associated with Trump.
	Come in with 16.
	And then I'll do ADF.
	And then we'll go to Matt.
	16, then ADF for Matt.
	All right.
	Titles, by the way.
	Chris and the monologue.
	For Chris...
	We're hunting animals, isn't it?
	You have all the money that you possibly need.
	You've accomplished a great deal even though you are only 34.
	I know there's a lot of things that you possibly can do in the years ahead.
	Why wouldn't you dedicate yourself to public service?
	Because I think it's a very mean life.
	I would love and I would dedicate my life to this country.
	But I see it as being a mean life.
	And I also see it as somebody with strong views.
	And somebody with the kind of views that are maybe a little bit unpopular.
	Which may be right.
	Wow!
	From the vaults!
	wouldn't necessarily have a chance of getting elected against somebody with no great brain but a big smile.
	And that's a sad commentary for the political process.
	Wow. From the vaults.
	Donald Trump in 1980 talking about why would anyone run for president?
	Especially when you've got some ideas that are correct but unpopular
	and instead people vote for the person with the perfect smile.
	Wow, wow, wow.
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	Okay, it's time to check in with the man who has his finger on the pulse
	of all the shenanigans on Capitol Hill.
	He is the Washington Bureau Chief for the conservative juggernaut that is Breitbart.com.
	Happy Thursday, Matt Boyle.
	Dr. G, always a pleasure.
	Great to be here.
	What a week, huh?
	What a week.
	Let me ask you this first, because I caught me by surprise.
	I think I'm a pretty canny observer of all things political.
	I thought the money from the RINOs and the DEMs would last a little bit longer.
	Were you surprised as Washington Bureau Chief that Nikki Haley threw in the towel after she lost 14 more states to President Trump?
	No.
	So, and the reason why is because she was kind of setting up for it in the wake of the South Carolina loss, right?
	So she had, if you look at her speech on the South Carolina night, look back at that night, right?
	So she waited 90 minutes after it was called to come out, which means she was in the back room furiously scribbling, rewriting the speech.
	Whereas a month earlier in New Hampshire, she rushed out right away and gave that totally
	out of touch with reality address, right?
	Where she had to, like, she won even though she lost by double digits.
	So she's in the back room rewriting the speech in South Carolina, and then she had kind of
	set it up with, like, you know, because she had from New Hampshire set herself up that
	she was going through a Lee Super Tuesday.
	Then the South Carolina speech, she kind of toned it back a little bit, right?
	Like, she set herself up, we knew this was coming, right?
	Like the polls were right, Donald Trump won, all these states.
	The only place he lost was the communist haven of Vermont, which, you know, I mean, hey,
	if you can win where Bernie Sanders wins, good for you.
	But like, you know, I don't think any Republicans are going to win there in a general election
	in my lifetime.
	And then District of Columbia, D.C. with the swamp lobbyists, right?
	Like, so other than that, Donald Trump won everywhere.
	And so the fact is, is that she was kind of setting herself up for that moment for a while.
	And now, and again, you look at her exit, she's trying to, with the lack of endorsement
	for Trump, she's trying to, it's all about leverage, it's all about power, it's all about
	It was never about stopping Trump at a certain point.
	Once it became clear Trump was going to be the Republican nominee, now it's all about trying to extract something from him, right?
	Like, so that's what she's talking about, about Trump needs to do something to win back our vote, my voters
	and things like that.
	And you know, it's all about power.
	It's all about control.
	It's a business transaction.
	So I, I think Trump should give her nothing, right?
	Like he should appease nobody.
	He should put power forward.
	I think that a vast majority of these people are going to come around and realize when there's binary choice in the general election that Trump is the better option if they're actual Republicans and not the Democrats who crossed over to vote for Nikki Haley in open primaries.
	But it's all about power.
	It's all about control.
	And she's trying to extract something on behalf of the donors who are funding her from Trump.
	And I don't think you should give it to him.
	Is there any point at which, just for her own political survival, she endorses her former boss?
	I think so.
	I would expect that she will eventually.
	Really?
	Yeah, by the way, when DeSantis dropped out, it was kind of shocking to me that he did it right away.
	So I figured, you know, look, campaigns get nasty, okay?
	It's part of the business, but at the end of the day, the primaries sometimes get a little bit overheated.
	But then at a certain point, you know, we cross a threshold and it's a general election and, you know, the Republican is much better than the Democrat 99.9% of the time, right?
	And so I would imagine that the vast majority of Republicans come around.
	And what about the uncommitted votes for Biden?
	Is this just a weird kind of anomaly in certain districts or will this be a problem for him in eight months?
	I think it's a major problem for Joe Biden.
	So I think that he's got major problems, not just with the Muslim community.
	Yes, with the Muslim community, Arab community over the whole.
	Israel-Hamas war that's going on right now in Israel with the Palestinians in Gaza.
	But the fact is that in addition to that, you've also got young people, right?
	Young people are looking at the Biden presidency.
	And by the way, Trump is doing record numbers for a Republican with young people right now, right?
	And I think that's because young people are saying they're not okay with Joe Biden being the president.
	And so I think that if you look at the states like Michigan and Minnesota, where we had the two most pronounced uncommitted vote percentages, but beyond that too, I think it's a national trend and I think it's going to be a major problem for Joe Biden going into November.
	Well, well, well.
	It's a long time to go in politics.
	Eight months as of the Super Tuesday results.
	That's a lifetime in politics.
	But right now the trend lines look amazing.
	Make sure you're following our friend.
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	We'll be back with Matt in a moment.
	I just need a title for the monologue.
	Oh, monologue.
	Um, oh, do you have that video, Jeff, of, uh, Latisha being, um, Heckled?
	He says he'll get it.
	Great.
	Just text me when you got it.
	And I want to come in with Jesse Waters here.
	Jesse Waters, that's what?
	Nine.
	Okay.
	For the monologue...
	Oh man, I need a coffee.
	Stop sitting on the fence, Elon Musk.
	Mm-hmm.
	Mm-hmm.
	I Uh, no.
	Elon Musk, colon, is he really, um... Does he really care about America?
	Bipartisan, question mark.
	Is he really nonpartisan?
	All right, three minutes Okay.
	Good.
	Alright, whatever I've not heard, uh, da-da-da-da.
	Oh, four, give me four.
	God, four?
	It's not in my ear.
	It wasn't in my ear.
	What's happened to my IFB?
	and this morning new reporting from CNN's K-File highlights that the way the president talks about
	him it should be testing testing what's happened to my might have done something
	audio check one two two and a half minutes go testing can you hear us
	Yeah, good.
	Stop playing again.
	The border crisis is certain to be a topic discussed.
	And this morning, new reporting from CNN's K-File highlights that the way the president talks about immigration now is different than how he did when he was running for office.
	This is what he said in 2019.
	We could afford to take in a heartbeat another 2 million people.
	The idea that a country of 330 million people cannot absorb people who are in desperate need and who are
	justifiably fleeing oppression is absolutely bizarre. Absolutely bizarre.
	I would also move to increase the total number of immigrants able to come to the United States.
	Six.
	It's going to be important for the American people as he knows it and understands it
	and as you all have been talking about it this morning, to hear directly from him on his vision
	how what he has done in the last three years, he's done more in the last three years, Willie,
	than most presidents have been able to do in their first, in their two terms.
	turns.
	of the year.
	And then at 12.
	Sexuality?
	Any of that filth!
	Robinson calling survivors of the Parkland shooting in Florida, quote, spoiled, angry, and know-it-all children.
	Robinson posted that this foolishness about Hitler disarming millions of Jews and then marching them off to concentration camps is a bunch of hogwash.
	Makes me sick every time I see it when I pass a church that flies that rainbow flag.
	I absolutely want to go back to the America where women couldn't vote.
	He absolutely wants an America where women cannot vote.
	You're going to explain how they edited that, right Jeff?
	Yeah.
	That's how you know they're scared of him.
	They have to roll out stuff like that.
	20 seconds.
	Did you say commit or something here?
	No, I didn't.
	Which one?
	No.
	I'm not going to say it.
	Right now, as we speak, Washington is erecting a fence around the Capitol in anticipation
	of Biden's State of the Union tomorrow.
	Not a fence around the border, a fence around Biden, who thinks he needs protection from you, while he doesn't provide protection from them.
	Now this fence is a sinister symbol to stigmatize half the country's dangerous, to justify his crackdown.
	Even though we outnumber them, they're powerful and will overwhelm you with shame from now until November.
	They'll call you names, treat you like ogres, threaten you, threaten your job, your family, your status.
	This will be an all-out war by Biden's alliance against the American people in the name of saving democracy.
	I can't believe they've done it again.
	Fencing?
	Outside Congress?
	What is this, East Germany?
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	Matt, what's going on?
	Nancy's not in charge anymore.
	Why is there fencing going up around the Capitol tonight?
	I don't know.
	It's totally nonsensical.
	Look, we're gonna see... Are you there?
	Yeah, can you hear me?
	Can you hear me?
	Nope.
	Can I get the speaker up in the room?
	I don't know what's going on, guys.
	I don't know if you can hear me, so I can hear you.
	Yeah, okay, you can hear me now?
	Yeah.
	Okay, yeah, I can hear you just fine.
	So, look, I don't know what they're doing with the fencing.
	It's just an image, nonsense imagery stuff, right?
	They're trying to recreate the The imagery of January 6th or something.
	But the fact is that what you're going to hear from Biden tonight is that he's just going to go on a blame tour.
	He's going to blame everybody else for the problems that he caused the country.
	He's going to blame Republicans in Congress for causing the migrant crisis by letting in the millions and millions of people that he did via executive action.
	He could end it right now himself.
	He doesn't need a new piece of legislation.
	He certainly doesn't need a piece of legislation.
	That would make it worse, like the Lankford bill, but you're gonna hear him lie and blame Republicans for that and Trump.
	You're gonna hear him blame companies and corporations using what he'll call shrinkflation for inflation, which again is his fault.
	He caused inflation, it's Bidenflation, not shrinkflation, but you're gonna hear him blame that for that.
	You're gonna hear him blame Vladimir Putin and Arab countries for what's going on in uh, all around the world, you're going to hear him blame.
	Uh, it's going to be just a blame tour, right?
	Like, so Biden's going to blame as many people as he possibly can, other than
	himself for the problems that are facing the country and the problems that are
	facing the world.
	And, uh, I don't think that's going to be successful.
	I think this blame tour is going to fail.
	Is he going to mention the name of Lake and Riley tonight, Matt?
	Absolutely not.
	I don't expect him to do that.
	I would be shocked if those words crossed his lips this evening.
	And that's a shame, frankly, right?
	Like, frankly, it would be... I think if President Trump gets back in there, President Trump should do in one State of the Union, he should just read out the names of every American killed by an illegal alien.
	during the Biden presidency, right?
	Like, and frankly, he should do that now.
	Like, he should go out there and do a speech right now that does that.
	And maybe Speaker Johnson should invite President Trump to give a joint address to a joint chamber
	of Congress as well as a rival State of the Union or something like that, where Trump
	can actually talk about the things that matter to Americans rather than trying to blame others
	for the problems that he caused.
	And how genius is it that President Trump will be on Truth Social tonight, fact-checking
	Biden's State of the Union live, Matt?
	Oh, it's fantastic. It's ba- It's more important than any Republican response.
	Look, we'll see Senator Katie Brett's going to give the GOP response tonight.
	I'm sure that'll be fine and filled with Republican talking points.
	But the more important response comes from President Trump, right?
	Like President Trump himself on True Social.
	So I'll be watching that and refreshing that nonstop as we're doing our live coverage on Breitbart because I want to see what Trump says.
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	Title for Matt.
	Um...
	What cut do we play for him?
	Jesse Watters?
	No, in the first segment.
	I thought it was Jesse Watters.
	No, that was the second segment.
	I don't remember any other cuts.
	Why are they putting a fence up around Congress?
	It was the original Trump one.
	From the vault.
	Trump from the vault.
	Oh, the old interview, yeah.
	Hang on a second.
	Why are they putting fences around the Capitol?
	Again.
	PhD.
	Can you play ten?
	Hang on, we have the Letitia James cut.
	You wanna hear that?
	No, I know it.
	Just check it if it works.
	You wouldn't see any contradiction between the fact that the president would be using a technology that he's urging Congress to... Here's the thing.
	I've been asked this question multiple times about TikTok and our use of TikTok.
	As it relates to the campaign, I know the campaign has created a TikTok account.
	I would let them speak to that.
	That is their strategy.
	would let them speak to that. And we've said this before, we are going to try to
	meet the American people where they are. We are. I mean we're trying to reach
	everyone. The president is a president for all Americans and so
	that's what we're trying to do there. It doesn't mean that we're not going to
	try to figure out how to protect our national security, right?
	That's what we're doing here.
	That's what you see in this bipartisan legislation that's being moved forward, that you heard from Jake about, that you're hearing from me about.
	It doesn't mean that we don't do the work to make sure that we protect Americans, and that's what we're going to do here.
	Come in with that.
	Coming in with 10.
	I'm going to be doing a lot of work on this.
	Contradiction between the fact that the president would be using a technology that he's urging Congress to- Here's the thing, and I've been asked this question multiple times about TikTok and our use of TikTok.
	As it relates to the campaign, I know the campaign has created a TikTok account.
	I would let them speak to that.
	That is their strategy.
	I would let them speak to that.
	And we've said this before, we are going to try to meet the American people where they
	are.
	We are.
	I mean, we're trying to reach everyone.
	The President is a President for all Americans.
	And so that's what we're trying to do there.
	Even if it's a dangerous plan.
	It doesn't mean that we're not going to try to figure out how to protect our national
	security, right?
	That's what we're doing here.
	That's what you see in this bipartisan legislation that's being moved forward, that you heard from Jake about, that you're hearing from me about.
	It doesn't mean that we don't do the work to make sure that we protect Americans, and that's what we're going to do here.
	What was that word salad?
	Biden says you got to get rid of TikTok because it's bad.
	But then he has a Biden account that he's appearing on on TikTok, which is run by Communist China.
	But her excuses, you gotta meet the Americans where they're at.
	Hey, Jeff, you've got to meet the Americans where they're at.
	Aren't there some Americans in East Palestine that Biden didn't meet or go to where they're at for a year?
	Well, that's kind of different, though, because they're not going to vote for him.
	Oh, I see.
	TikTokers will.
	Yeah, TikTokers will.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, you're right.
	How did I get that wrong?
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	Roy, happy Thursday.
	Well, thank you for taking my call today, Dr. Gorka.
	You're a man that's got a heart as big as Texas down here.
	Yes, sir.
	I'd like to offer up a few things, since this may be Jive and Joe's last State of the Union address to the nation tonight.
	Each time President Trump got up, the Democrats pulled these stunts like the suffragettes and the handmaids.
	Why don't we have some of our Republicans dress up in Halliburton orange oilfield worker roughneck jumpsuits with hardhats and yell out, drill, drill, drill, and include in that, energy independence for America again.
	Yeah, I don't think our representatives should dress up in anything, but they could invite members of the oil industry.
	Eric, who do we have?
	We have one of the American hostages seized by Hamas will be coming.
	Who else?
	They tried to invite Lake and Riley's parents, but I thought that's a little bit too early and they demurred.
	Anybody else special you can think of they're bringing?
	Yeah, I don't know of any other special guests at the moment.
	I believe that was Congressman Mike Collins who tried to invite Lake and Riley's parents and they, of course, declined.
	But yeah, I haven't heard of any other special guests at the moment.
	Right.
	It's Mike Johnson, we have it here, invited the freed Israeli hostages to the State of the Union this evening.
	So, Mia Shem, a young Israeli woman held hostage by Hamas, will be there this evening.
	Yeah, it's a part of the communications thing.
	We'll see.
	Hey there, Dr. Gorka.
	what happens, but of course the person giving the speech is a Democrat, so the focus will
	be on him if he stays awake.
	Thank you, Roy.
	Let's go to Randy Knoxville.
	Hey there, Dr. Gorka.
	Hey.
	It really makes me mad to see Biden putting up that fence around the people's house like
	we're some kind of third world or iron curtain country.
	I mean, I wish that a journalist, Dr. Gorka, what do you think?
	A real reporter would maybe interview some of these rhino Republicans like Mitch McConnell,
	Nikki Haley, those ilk, to see if they like having a giant fence around our, the people's
	house, the way that the- Well, what are you expecting?
	What do you think a rhino like Mitch McConnell's going to say?
	He's going to say, oh yes, a very wise decision.
	They're not going to say anything meaningful.
	Right.
	I figured they'd say absolutely.
	There's a bunch of MAGA people out there like, you know, Randy the house painter in Knoxville, Tennessee.
	He could be dangerous.
	We've got to put a big old fence around the people.
	They're afraid.
	They're either afraid of the American people, which is bad enough, or it's an act of intimidation to say we don't represent you.
	Either way, it's a very bad look.
	Thank you, Randy.
	Let's go to Joe in Illinois.
	Dr. G, it's sure looking like Sarah Huckabee Sanders is going to be his VP.
	Based on what?
	Well, she's so well-loved.
	I mean, she's, you know, bringing in the suburban mothers would be a wonderful thing, especially the conservative ones.
	Here's my take.
	So I've been told who the vice president nominee is.
	It doesn't mean the president can't change his mind.
	But here's my take, Joe.
	I don't think it matters.
	I mean, does anybody really, if it's a choice between Biden and President Trump, is anybody going to say, well, he chose this vice president, therefore I'm switching my vote?
	I don't see it, Joe, do you?
	Sorry?
	So it doesn't really matter, does it?
	I mean, the choice is between somebody who's destroying America and somebody who wants to save it.
	So the vice president pick, it's like kind of irrelevant.
	Well, think about it.
	Let's go back to 16, right?
	He picks Mike Pence.
	Do you think anybody who was going to vote for Hillary said, oh, well, now he's got Mike Pence as his VP.
	I'm going to vote for Trump.
	The politics of the vice presidency is something that's from the 40s, the 50s, and the 60s.
	The idea that you bring another demographic, another region of America, I really don't think it applies to nature, although I would say this, and I'm not allowed to say who the president has picked, the choice of vice president is important because I'd like to see a vice president who actually does stuff.
	Not a person who goes to the state funerals the president doesn't want to go to, but somebody who could help Drain the swamp.
	Somebody who can have real tasks delegated to them.
	That's why I think it matters.
	But we shall see.
	Thank you, Joe.
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	makes a great point on the fencing question.
	They may have put up the fence to keep out pro-Palestine protesters, but say that it is needed to keep modern out.
	Alright, read that.
	Read GuloGulo on air.
	That's good.
	That's an excellent theory.
	Especially after what happened with Schiff.
	Like I said, Schiff's rally, they're everywhere.
	Yep, yep, yep.
	80 seconds.
	It's time for Nikki Haley to drop out and support him.
	Do you think President Trump, Mr. Trump, is closer to picking his VP?
	And should he be on that list?
	Oh, you know, that's the question everyone asks.
	And no, I don't think Nikki Haley should be on the list.
	But of course, President Trump will choose who he wants for VP.
	Would you like to be on that list?
	He's got a long list.
	I support President Trump in any way.
	Any way he'd ask me.
	But I can assure you it won't be Nikki Haley.
	And can you tell me why so many people ...that support Donald Trump love conspiracy theories, including yourself.
	He seems to attract lots of conspiracy theorists.
	Well, let me tell you, you're a conspiracy theorist, and the left and the media spreads conspiracy theories.
	We like the truth.
	We like supporting our Constitution, our freedoms, and America first, so... What about Jewish space lasers?
	Tell us about Jewish space lasers.
	No, why don't you go talk about Jewish space lasers?
	And really, why don't you fuck off?
	How about that?
	Thanks.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	The most awesome voice in talk radio.
	No, not me.
	Dr. G. Lightning round!
	Let's squeeze in three calls before we start the second hour.
	Line one, John, Minnesota.
	John, come on, lightning round.
	Get to it.
	Yeah, I'm here.
	Can you hear me?
	I can.
	What's your point?
	What's your question?
	My point is the choice of the VP absolutely matters.
	He better pick an America first populist nationalist.
	Why?
	Is he not a populist nationalist?
	Is there anybody more populist nationalist than the president?
	Why would you need a populist nationalist?
	What does that bring to the ticket, John?
	It brings the next election to the ticket.
	Who do you want?
	Who's the populist nationalist you want?
	Well, to be honest, I'm nervous about Kennedy pulling some of our votes.
	No, don't worry about Kennedy.
	Nobody cares about him except Democrats.
	Who do you want as a VP?
	Tarsy Gabbard.
	Tarsy Gabbard?
	Are you kidding me?
	The lunatic who makes excuses for the murderer Bashar al-Assad?
	The person who talks about false flag activities in Syria?
	John, look up Tarsy Gabbard.
	She's a lunatic.
	No thank you.
	Line two, Bill Sacramento.
	Yeah, Sebastian, I got an idea for tonight for the address.
	Yes, the State of the Union.
	What's your idea?
	Biden's 1000 lies are going to turn into Mike Johnson tearing up.
	The address, like Nancy did.
	I don't think Mike's that kind of guy.
	And B, that was so absolutely disrespectful and actually a crime.
	That's an official document that was destroyed live on camera.
	Bill, I don't think we want to stoop to their gutter level.
	Yeah, I get it.
	OK, thank you.
	Ken, we're going to make it.
	Three calls.
	Ken San Francisco, line three.
	Ken, are you there?
	Hello?
	I was doing so well.
	I did two calls in two minutes.
	You got 90 seconds for your call.
	Let's give him five seconds.
	Four, three, two, one.
	Goodbye!
	I tried.
	I tried.
	All right, let's squeeze in a call.
	Let's squeeze in a cut.
	Oh, let's listen to that comedian, Jeffrey Toobin.
	What's he afraid of?
	Cut seven, Mr. Toobout.
	What if he goes to foreign sources?
	What if he goes to Azerbaijan?
	He has a lot of business overseas.
	What if he goes to Russia?
	What if he goes and gets hundreds of millions of dollars from overseas?
	What does that mean if a candidate for president is on the hook?
	For multiple, multiple millions of dollars to a foreign source because that, it seems to me, is the most likely source.
	Banks, at this point, don't want anything to do with him.
	Deutsche Bank has lived a nightmare for decades now because they've been associated with Trump.
	So I think foreign is his only option.
	That's weird.
	Who's the only presidential candidate who's documented as having lots of money from abroad, especially from China?
	Can you help me out?
	They're from... Where are they from?
	Hillary and Bill.
	What's the last name, Eric?
	Who am I thinking of?
	That's the Clintons.
	The Clintons!
	Oh yes, the Clintons!
	I think you're projecting, Mr. Toobout.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	Stay on this channel.
	you you
	you We're in a house of God.
	First, simmer down.
	I want to thank Commissioner Kavanaugh and Chief Hodgins for that recognition.
	Oh, come on, we're in a house of God.
	First, simmer down.
	I want to thank Commissioner Kavanaugh and Chief Hodgins for that recognition.
	I think that's really significant.
	One of my team members sent that to me earlier today saying, is this real?
	That's Letitia James, the woman who campaigned on putting President Trump behind bars, being booed by the FDNY.
	She's at a Fire Department of New York ceremony.
	And the firefighters of New York not only boo her, they chant Trump, Trump, Trump.
	I don't know.
	I think that's an indication of something.
	It's also at the top of the Twitter feed of our good friend, investigative journalist extraordinaire Miranda Devine, the author of The Laptop from Hell.
	Miranda, it's been too long.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Hi Sebastian, thanks for having me.
	So you have been just indefatigable in covering the Hunter Biden corruption story, the Biden crime cartel, which doesn't seem to have picked up as much momentum as a story.
	as it should have. So I want to ask you, and I don't want to read too much into it, but if you look at the flip side,
	not, you know, the hunt and the Biden's getting away with whatever they want to get away with, but the political
	prosecutions of President Trump.
	I just have to ask you, because it's at the top of your Twitter feed as well. I think it's significant that the
	woman engineering the attacks on President Trump for the state of New York is being publicly booed by the people who
	run into burning buildings to save our lives.
	How significant do you think that clip is from today?
	No, I think it's enormous.
	I think it really shows that the whole edifice is crumbling, that people aren't scared anymore.
	You know, the fact that there she is, the Attorney General of New York, she was shocked.
	She was not expecting that kind of reception.
	And I'm sure that the highfalutin FDNY people up on stage with her weren't expecting it either, but it's the grassroots.
	And I think people everywhere In America see through the lies now and they see that whether they like Donald Trump or approve of him or not, they can see that the lawfare being waged against him is completely unfair and ridiculous and it's falling over all over the country and Letitia James is one of the agents of chaos that's brought that into being and good on those firefighters.
	They gave her what's for and they showed her zero respect.
	All right, let me tie a few threads together that you want to help me with that I think are important.
	I mentioned at the top of the first hour this story in the New York Times that you posted on your Twitter feed, which was just like fantasy land.
	It's Joe Biden It's the body of Rocky with Joe Biden's head superimposed on it with the headline, at the State of the Union, let's see dark Brandon in the house.
	I don't know what dark Brandon refers to is the dark Brandon who opens the borders or who gives us You know, 20% inflation and 8% mortgages.
	I mean, I don't know what dark Brandon is, but it's clear that they've built this fantasy land around their quasi-reality.
	And then I, you can play it as B-roll, Eric.
	Then I played the clip of these Hollywood actors, Miranda, who are linked by the fact
	they've all played the president.
	And so the White House has a teleconference with Morgan Freeman, Michael Douglas, and
	you know, these people who pretend to be the president, giving advice to Joe Biden on what
	he should say tonight as the real president.
	So it's this, this bizarro world of, uh, what is he also acting out the presidency?
	And then the last one to kind of put the nail in the coffin of this pseudo reality.
	I have this clip that I thought was a deep fake AI, but it's not.
	John Kerry.
	who is the climate czar for Biden, said the following about the war in Ukraine and what
	Russia should do. I'm sure you've seen it. It is truly stunning. Cut 15.
	I believe that Russia has the ability to be able to make enormous changes if it really wanted to.
	I mean, if Russia has the ability to wage a war illegally and invade another country,
	they ought to be able to find the effort to be responsible in the climate issue.
	Thank you.
	And unfortunately, because of the actions that Russia took in an unprovoked Illegal war against another nation.
	We have not been engaged in discussions with Russia, sadly.
	I say sadly because it's a loss for the world not to be able to have Russia acting constructively on this issue.
	But we need every country, including Russia.
	Russia is one of the largest emitters in the world.
	If Russia wanted to show good faith, They could go out and announce what their reductions are going to be and make a greater effort to reduce emissions now.
	And maybe that would open up the door for people to feel better about what Russia is choosing to do at this point in time.
	You're an investigative journalist.
	You have to live in the real world.
	But we have a political elite that has actors advising the president on what he should do in one of the most solemn moments annually for a president.
	We have the Dark Brandon article making him look like, making this decrepit individual out to be rocky.
	And then we have one of his high-ranking officials saying Russia, as it's shelling Ukrainian apartment blocks, should emit less diesel fuel from its tanks.
	I don't even know where to begin, McGrand.
	Help me out.
	Well, you know what links those three things?
	It is delusion.
	We have John Kerry talking about Russia trying to cut its carbon footprint while, as you say, it's bombing Ukraine.
	What about the carbon footprint of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline explosion, which we now know was committed by our side, Ukraine, Probably with the help of... Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	I gotta push back there.
	We know, just because Tucker Carlson says so, hang on, let's be careful here.
	We know... No, no, no.
	Yes, Ukraine has taken responsibility for it.
	What we don't specifically know is the American or European involvement.
	There are some indications and, you know, Seymour Hersh wrote that piece.
	Oh, see, I wouldn't use Seymour Hersh as a standard of anything.
	No, I know.
	I'm not.
	I'm not.
	I'm just saying those are the indications.
	But we don't know for sure if America was involved.
	Either way, the Nord Stream 2 pipeline explosion Was an enormously disastrous, if you care about these things, greenhouse gas event.
	So for John Kerry to be running around talking about trying to, you know, to limit Russia's carbon footprint.
	War is the biggest carbon footprint disaster in the world and without Joe Biden's incompetence there wouldn't be a war.
	We know that if Donald Trump had been president, that there wouldn't have
	been the invasion because during his presidency we we didn't see these
	rogue actors around the world like Vladimir Putin flexing their muscles because they were
	intimidated by Donald Trump and they weren't at all frightened by Joe Biden.
	Let's take it back to the the initial point that you raised.
	There is a massive tension.
	How is this going to be resolved in the next eight months, Miranda, between those who live in a fantasy land of Russia will emit less carbon from its tanks and Joe Biden is rocky, to the people who aren't afraid anymore and who are chanting Trump, Trump, Trump to the Attorney General of New York.
	What is the end prognosis for that in eight months' time?
	What's your expectation?
	Well, if you look at the polls now, Donald Trump wins, but that is assuming that the Democrats don't play any dirty tricks between now and the election, which of course is impossible.
	They are going to do that.
	I'm sure they've got plenty of dirty tricks up their sleeves.
	whether it means that they keep Joe Biden in place and just keep on trying to dirty up Donald Trump
	and rig the election outcomes in various ways by censoring the media, for instance,
	like they did in 2020 with our Hunter Biden story.
	So who knows?
	There are dirty tricks afoot.
	And what I guess the Republicans need to ensure is that they, as much as possible,
	ensure that there is election integrity, that there is voter ID,
	that there aren't sneaky little tricks done in courts to change the way that elections are done,
	the way they did in 2020.
	Let's hope that they have managed to reverse some of those pandemic-era election rules
	that the Democrats managed to sneak in in the dead of night under the noses of the...
	They're going to have what?
	The RNC election tomorrow.
	Uncontested.
	Lara Trump will be the co-chair, God willing.
	No monologue for the second hour.
	We had a far too important guest, Miranda Devine.
	Sadly, we're out of time.
	We've got to have her back for a longer discussion.
	In the meantime, follow her at Get Miranda Devine on Twitter, or X if you prefer, and get her book, The Laptop from Hell.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	Next up, the attorney who helped win the SCOTUS case for President Trump, 9-0.
	Zero. You don't want to miss it.
	Oh, okay. Well, bye.
	But when he comes on?
	No, not when he comes on.
	Okay.
	Title for that one.
	Um...
	Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch...
	...
	...
	Americans are no longer afraid.
	Mm-hmm.
	Bye!
	No longer afraid.
	Three minutes.
	So you want me to read that dono then in the e-segment this hour?
	The what?
	The donation about the... why they put the fences up.
	Uh, actually, let's do it now.
	Oh, okay.
	Let's do it now.
	I'll do that now.
	I'll do the ADF and then I'll introduce the guest.
	Alright, dono, then ADF, then the guest.
	Oh, mic's off.
	we were connected.
	We were connected.
	you you
	you No violence.
	No hate speech.
	Just happy warriors on America First.
	We got a donation on Rumble.
	Somebody with an idea as to why the fences had to go up around Congress for the State of the Union.
	Eric, what was the theory?
	From GuloGulo88 in the chat, for three dollars.
	We love our Rumble rants, our Rumble live chat supporters.
	Thank you.
	Says, quote, They may have put up the fence to keep out pro-Palestine protesters, but say that it is needed to keep MAGA out.
	That is pretty bloody good.
	If you can reach out to GulaGula88, I think he deserves something from the store.
	Maybe our newest item that's rather applicable to our next guest.
	It's the hoodie with the smiling President Trump and all it says is 9-0.
	So get him to email in or call in to you or Jeff and let's reward GulaGula for that.
	Quite, quite intriguing theory that may just be right.
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	Now, what a perfect segue.
	Let's talk to the man who was a pillar Of the team that won the case for President Trump against the lunatics in Colorado.
	We were on a Twitter space two days ago and I said, I like the cut of this man's jib.
	Let's get him on the show.
	Ron Coleman from the Dylan Law Group.
	Welcome Ron to America First.
	Well, a real pleasure to be here.
	Thank you.
	Good to see you after all this time.
	You know, I first met at the Social Media Summit, which accomplished so very much at the White House a few years ago.
	You mean the one where I got into a fight almost with a lunatic from CNN, Brian Karem.
	That was quite a night, everybody.
	I was right there.
	You were right there.
	Everybody remembers that.
	That was a fun moment.
	And thank you to Jim Hansen for recording all of it when the sad little man, Brian Karem, got a little bit obstreperous.
	Look it up.
	Alright, you had some great theories about what happened in the 9-0.
	Then we're going to discuss about the next case, the immunity case.
	But how did you get the gig representing the President and the Supreme Court?
	Tell us the truth, Ron.
	It wasn't me.
	I'll tell you the truth.
	It was our partner, David Warrington, in our Washington Metro office.
	Although, you know, Harmeet Dhillon, our law firm head, has got a longstanding relationship with President Trump and the Trump campaign.
	And the work that we did that got me to the Philadelphia Convention Center in 2020, those extremely Dramatic moments that I got to share with America.
	Those were part of the Harmeet portfolio, but this was a David Warrington relationship, and we have been handling all the election litigation for the Trump campaign, and we have, you know, the work has been distributed throughout our law firm in extremely An extremely teamwork-y kind of approach.
	That's a technical legal term.
	Teamwork-y.
	Okay, write that down.
	That's got an I and a Y at the end.
	Teamwork-y.
	And explain it, Ron.
	I'm curious, for those who don't have the honor of what you just did, what's it like to argue a case before the highest court of the land?
	Do you get butterflies when you do that?
	You get butterflies just going into the United States Supreme Court.
	Now, you realize that our firm did not have the privilege of arguing before the Supreme Court on this Trump case.
	I myself have been before the United States Supreme Court on the Mattel versus Tam case, which is the free speech and trademarks case in 2017.
	But You know, you either have it or you don't.
	I will say, though, that the United States Supreme Court is a pretty intimidating place.
	Just from the outside, it's flipping intimidating.
	Were you surprised by the 9-0 result that we had?
	Even justices who can't define what a woman is, despite themselves being women, that even they said, no, you can't do this to a candidate for the presidency.
	No, I wasn't surprised because of the way the oral argument went.
	The justices that you're referring to, some of whom have some pretty far-out ideas about a lot of things, were asking the right questions, and they were asking the questions along the lines of the area that they ultimately came down and decided to join the majority on, which was, we can't live in a world in which an individual state Regardless of its procedure, decides who the presidential nominees or the United States president will be.
	Some people have said it's not really a 9-0.
	If you read the decision, it's more of a 5-4 or 3-6.
	Is it really a 9-0, Ron?
	Really is a kind of a funny thing.
	It depends on what is is.
	What matters For purposes of politically speaking, the Chief Justice, it would appear, did what was necessary to make this a 9-0 decision.
	And it is really a 9-0 decision because on the all you needed, we you know, we had several tracks of argument on this case, each one of which was more than adequate to knock it out, right?
	The one they decided on was Again, states don't control the execution of this constitutional provision.
	Congress does.
	Once it was clear that the liberal justices, that the VIEW coalition was on board there, it does seem that The Chief Justice almost certainly got everyone to agree to hold this out as a 9-0 or as a unanimous procurium decision, which is, you know, is one of his highest and best
	Priorities.
	That's what he tries to do, whether you like it or not, and a lot of us don't like it a lot of the time.
	We'll explain the problem with that and the idea of protecting the institution.
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	What was the case that you argued, the freedom of speech case?
	Which one was that?
	This was the Slant.
	It's known as the Slant case.
	And this was the case that was moving in parallel with the Redskins case over whether or not the government could deny trademark registration if the trademark hurt someone's feels.
	Supreme Court said no.
	We won.
	But they didn't want to rule on the on the Redskins.
	They wanted to rule on a less politically fraught case.
	And ours was perfect, because our client was himself an Asian American, and he was engaged in the process of what's called re- I always forget this word, re- taking it, taking back, re-appropriating, re-appropriating a slur.
	Is there any rhyme or reason to how a court decides what it's going to listen to or is it a crapshoot?
	Is there any kind of mathematics to what SCOTUS does?
	People who follow the Supreme Court religiously, and there are a lot of people who do, have a pretty darn good idea But I think that that puts them above 50% on the guessing.
	For the rest of us, it's just guessing.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Jeff, can you do these for Casio?
	Oh, yeah, we forgot.
	Go ahead.
	4, 8, 11, 15, 16.
	All right, go ahead.
	So CNN is now hitting Biden over immigration.
	4.
	and I'll see you next time.
	I wonder why?
	Question mark.
	Eight.
	Michael Beschloss thinks Trump victory equals dictatorship.
	I guess he's never heard of January 6th defendants Mark Houck, Steve Bannon, Or Peter Navarro?
	Then 11.
	History's hard, man.
	I know history's hard.
	Actually, no, let's not do 11 because it doesn't make sense.
	Oh, no, James Carville.
	Yeah, do 11.
	Why is James Carville afraid of conservative black men?
	Like Mark Robinson.
	Then 15.
	I thought this was a deep fake AI video.
	It isn't.
	John Kerry thinks Russia should reduce its carbon emissions while it's invading Ukraine.
	How dumb are these people?
	Then 16...
	Just listen to what President Trump said 40 years ago about running for president...
	for... for... running for...
	president...
	It's a lie.
	The border crisis is certain to be a topic discussed, and this morning new reporting from CNN's K-File highlights that the way the president talks about immigration now is different than how he did when he was running for office.
	This is what he said in 2019.
	We could afford to take in a heartbeat another two million people.
	The idea that a country of 330 million people cannot absorb People who are in desperate need and who are justifiably fleeing oppression is absolutely bizarre.
	Absolutely bizarre.
	I would also move to increase the total number of immigrants able to come to the United States.
	CNN is running clips of Biden from 2019?
	Wow!
	Trying to undermine his State of the Union?
	What's happening?
	Are they throwing him under the bus?
	Fascinating.
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	I think we have the B-roll of President Trump from Mar-a-Lago the night of the Supreme Court decision, Ron.
	And it was interesting.
	It was a very somber, very sober measured video.
	and he spent maybe 90 seconds on the decision thanking the justices saying yes of course it's the right decision and then he switched almost immediately to the the next decision or the next case concerning presidential immunity and he said this is far far more important you can play this b-roll guys i don't need it as video just play it This is far more important because any president could be, quote, he used the phrase, terrorized by frivolous court proceedings after he was elected.
	Do you agree with that analysis and how serious is the immunity case to you as an attorney working for President Trump?
	Well, I'd rather answer not as an attorney.
	Not as an attorney?
	Your Honor, I retract that remark.
	I'd like it struck from the record.
	As a legal professional, how serious is the question of immunity for a president?
	It's damn serious.
	It's extremely serious.
	And President Trump is right.
	It is in many respects more important.
	I don't know what you call more important. You know what's more important? Once you won one,
	the one you haven't won yet isn't more important. Right.
	And it's a gigantic issue.
	And what is the expectation? Is it on the docket? What is the timing?
	They are, they have just scheduled oral argument for that one for the end of April.
	And the libs are, you can actually see real verified video of steam coming out of a lot
	lot of liberal heads, professional talking heads.
	Angry that the Supreme Court found the ability to rule on this issue in a week and a half or two weeks and they're scheduling oral argument at the end of April because they pretend they don't know how things work.
	They do know how things work.
	The ballot issue had to be decided immediately because of state-based, particularly in Colorado, deadlines for putting together ballots that had to be met.
	In any event, the expectations I think are very high that this will be another good outcome
	for the United States, which will happen to have a good effect for President Trump.
	Yeah.
	The outcome should be logical.
	I mean, really, irrespective of your political color, you want the will of the people to be exercised by the man they choose as their chief executive.
	Whatever party stripe they may be of, the idea is that people choose him, he has a four-year term, he can be re-elected once, and then he exercises the mandate of the people.
	If there's a problem with him, He can be impeached and removed if the House and the Senate so decides to do so, or after he has been in office on other grounds, he may be brought to trial if there is evidence to do so.
	But the idea that you can just stymie a president from exercising his role as the chief executive, you'd think if they were logical, even the left would agree with that.
	But again, it's hard to channel insanity.
	I've got one more big question for our friend from the Dillon Law Group.
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	No, we're done.
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	I'm gonna ask one more question.
	I'm not gonna mention his name, as we didn't on the Twitter space, but this theory about how, you know, the Chief Justice orders people to do a certain thing.
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	Well, this is a real historical moment.
	We could be a dictatorship next year if Donald Trump is elected and carries through on his threats, and carries through on his threats to suspend the Constitution.
	That's what's at stake.
	So Joe Biden could finesse it and talk about other things, or he could confront the elephant in the room and say, you know, this is a year when we Americans have to choose whether we're going to live as a democracy, as a republic, Who's the best person here for cracking paywalls?
	That's a Jeff question.
	Or is it Alex?
	I'll do pillow then I'll go to Ron. That's even better.
	Who's the best person here for cracking paywalls? That's a Jeff question. Or is it
	Alex? Alex? Can you crack paywalls?
	You're right, I'm sitting down.
	Well, this is a real historical moment.
	We could be a dictatorship next year if Donald Trump is elected and carries through on his threats, and carries through on his threats to suspend the Constitution.
	That's what's at stake.
	So Joe Biden could finesse it and talk about other things, or he could confront the elephant in the room and say, you know, this is a year when we Americans have to choose whether we're going to live as a democracy, as a republic, Or as an authoritarian system.
	Oh my gosh.
	That's Michael Beschloss, alleged presidential historian, who told us before the midterms, Eric, didn't we win the midterms?
	Didn't the Republicans win the midterms?
	It depends on who you ask, but yes, Republicans did retake the House of Representatives in the midterms.
	But Beschloss said that if the Republicans win the midterms, the children of Democrats will be killed.
	The children will be swept away like the plague of Egypt.
	Yeah.
	But he said that on MSNBC.
	Mm-hmm.
	He did.
	Okay.
	And then did you hear what he just said?
	He said, if Americans vote for Donald Trump, we will have a dictatorship.
	I think he kind of, you vote for the person you want and that makes it a dictator.
	I think he's a little confused, Eric.
	Apparently, as we've said before with the Supreme Court ruling, being able to choose your preferred candidate is fascism, clearly.
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	A good friend of ours, a mutual friend I do believe, who will not go named here, a conservative broadcaster, pitched this theory that the 9 to 0 thing, there's no way it happened with, you know, the three loonies agreeing, unless the Chief Justice ordered them to do that, so they could hang President Trump out to dry on the immunity decision in a couple of weeks.
	I don't know.
	I'm just an outsider, but I don't think the Chief Justice could order anybody to do anything he could request, but there is perhaps this issue you could illuminate for us, Ron Coleman, of the philosophy some have inside that neo-Roman, Greco-Roman building that you must Maintain the integrity of the institution.
	What's your reading of the mechanics between the associate justices?
	You're right.
	He can't order anyone to do anything.
	All he gets to do is basically assign seating.
	It is true that he has a sort of coer... you know, suasion ability.
	But at the end of the day, he can't order it.
	Could he horse trade his way to a certain result?
	He could.
	Is there any reason on earth to believe that in this case, his intention was to do that?
	I mean, I don't even understand the reasoning in that accusation.
	Why would he have to play any chits to get a 9-0 decision?
	If he wants to hang Trump out to dry, Well, I think the logic was that it looks less biased if one of these decisions is pro the president and one of them is against the president, to give a pseudo sense of balance.
	Well, and that would be consistent with what we do know is true, and which you alluded to a second ago, which is that Chief Justice Roberts does have a very, very And as I mentioned to you in the spaces, I think that paid off for us here.
	Because I believe that while much of the federal judiciary has allowed itself to become unhinged, and you even see it in the concurrence by the three Liberal justices who use a phrase lifted directly from the Democratic talking points, oath-breaking insurrectionists.
	I mean, childish.
	Childish.
	But I do believe he is able to use the equity that reflects on them individually as part I want to continue the discussion.
	We're out of time.
	We've got a minute left and I want to just plop a question that could be the source for a next discussion.
	I'm really concerned.
	I'm going to ask a rude question.
	How long have you been practicing law, Ron?
	I was admitted to the New York Bar in 1989.
	1989. 35 years I guess. Okay. I see a increasing politicization of the bench
	in recent years.
	Am I, is that the the faulty take of a layman or are you as a professional in concurrence?
	No, there's, it's, I don't know anyone In this profession, who doubts that?
	Okay.
	All right.
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	You know, would you vote for this guy?
	What do you have to say about it?
	These are some things that nominates for a major state, a gubernatorial candidate, endorsed by your presidential candidate.
	Did you back Trump?
	You have to back people in the corner.
	And we pay way more for some naive people in our party.
	That guy is not naive.
	He's evil.
	I mean, what he said, that's not somebody being naive.
	That's insane.
	James, what is it with the camera angle looking up James Carville's nose?
	Mr. G, who's James Carville calling evil there?
	That'd be Mark Robinson.
	You mean the black lieutenant governor?
	Exactly.
	Why?
	Because he's black and a conservative?
	No, because they made up a bunch of things that they portrayed I tried to pretend that he said they took three words out of it and tried to make it sound like it was something different.
	All right, I think we have the montage.
	This is how they're lying about a black conservative who's actually a very successful lieutenant governor.
	Cut 12.
	Homosexuality, any of that filth.
	Robinson calling survivors of the Parkland shooting in Florida, quote, spoiled, angry, and know-it-all children.
	Robinson posted that this foolishness about Hitler disarming millions of Jews and then marching them off to concentration camps is a bunch of hogwash.
	Makes me sick every time I see it when I pass a church that flies that rainbow flag.
	I absolutely want to go back to the America where women couldn't vote.
	He absolutely wants an America where women cannot vote.
	I think he was in the middle of a sentence there.
	What did they leave out from that video of Mark Robinson, Jeff?
	Yeah, they left out the part that after he said, because that's when the Republican Party actually fought for real social change.
	And the Republican Party is the reason that women were able to vote.
	And he was saying that they kind of lost the fighting for social change after that.
	And the other thing is the Parkland shooting.
	Listen to what they say and then read the tweet on there.
	None of the words they say are in that tweet.
	It's a complete lie.
	It's not even taken out of context.
	It's a complete lie.
	So they're doing the Charlottesville fine people on both sides.
	They're doing that and that of Mark Robinson?
	No, this is even worse.
	They're just completely taking it out of context.
	The one thing was made up.
	It didn't even say anything that they just said he said in that tweet.
	But why are they targeting him?
	He just won the primary for the governorship of North Carolina.
	Why are they so afraid of him?
	I don't know.
	I think they think it's an easy target.
	If they just kind of take these things out of context, they can get people to just put a ton of money into that race.
	It's also a big swing state for the presidency.
	I mean, all you have to do is just get that around that he says, oh, he wants to go back to where women couldn't vote.
	That's the biggest thing.
	Alright, I was texting with him yesterday.
	Let's try and get him on the show tomorrow.
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	We have a great Republican party with tremendous talent, and we want to have unity, and we're going to have unity, and it's going to happen very quickly.
	And I have been saying lately, success will bring unity to our country, and it happened before.
	We had the best economy our country's ever had.
	And people were calling me that I would have said, will never happen.
	It'll never happen.
	They wanted to get together African American, Asian American, Hispanic American, women, men, people with diplomas from the best schools in the world, and people that didn't graduate from high school.
	Every single group was doing better than ever before.
	And it was a beautiful thing.
	Our country was coming together.
	As the old saying goes, success is the best form of revenge.
	President Trump from Mar-a-Lago, what a week it has been.
	Primary after primary, then Super Tuesday, the amazing decision 9-0 from the Supreme Court.
	What is the future of those who love America?
	Let's ask a man who we haven't had on the show for quite some time because he's far too busy writing books.
	Or he should be.
	From Hillsdale College, assistant professor, fellow research fellow, our good friend David Azarad.
	David, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you for having me and for chiding me to hurry up and finish my book.
	Come on, you're supposed to be some kind of highfalutin academic.
	You can't be an academic without a library of books behind you.
	I mean, we have guests on this show like Victor Davis Hanson and Lord Conrad Black.
	They could literally dam the Potomac with the tomes that they have written over the years.
	Hurry up, David!
	It's not just about radio interviews and then hiding out in your office and educating the next generation.
	That is important as well, but leave something behind as your legacy.
	All right, I wanted to have you on the show to discuss the future of the conservative movement, which is rather strange because I don't know if you're a Vulcan as well as a good chap, but you've actually just written an article with exactly that title in the Journal of Contemporary Legal Issues, Revitalizing the Right.
	So, let's start with an analysis of where we are right now.
	We'll get to your prescriptions for the future, but let's start with the last seven years, David.
	It seems to me that there are two types of commentator, analyst, what have you, talking head, or even politically active individual.
	And there are those who understand the significance of the events of 2016, and those who see the events of 2016 as aberrant, to be dismissed, and then for us to wend our way back to business as usual.
	Do you share that analysis?
	And if so, could you talk a little bit about the significance of the events of 2016, where we saw two forms of populism clash with each other?
	The left form, under Bernie Sanders, and then the new, or the revitalized, America First, Tea Party, if you will, MAGA populism.
	Give us your 60,000-foot view of the events of 2016 to begin with.
	Yeah, I like to invoke a flipping term that a friend of mine called, and it's the BIPEC.
	You hear a lot about BIPOCs, right?
	Black Indigenous People of Color.
	But in America, we have a BIPOC, a Bipartisan Elite Consensus.
	Which means that day-to-day, if you follow the news, you think they're at each other's throats.
	Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives look at how they disagree about transgender bathrooms and abortion.
	But then if you look at some core issues, like Ukraine, like immigration, like trade, the Republicans and the Democrats are largely interchangeable at the top.
	People who work at center-right think tanks like AEI are no different than people who work at center-left think tanks like Brookings.
	You start to realize that there is an elite consensus that cuts across parties.
	That doesn't extend to every issue.
	But that they are in broad agreement, and that they are not aligned with large swaths of the American people.
	I mean, the issues where you really see it are issues having to do with borders.
	You know, trade and immigration are the two most shocking ones, where honestly, Clinton and Bush are indistinguishable from one another.
	They all kind of tell you that we need to be more integrated into the world, that it doesn't matter where things are made, all that matters is the cost, that we're a nation of immigrants, legal immigration is good.
	They used to say illegal immigration bad, I guess that is starting to change, the BIPOC is cracking there.
	On foreign policy, they all seem to broadly agree that everyone wants to be free, everyone can be free, and thanks to U.S.
	global leadership, one day everyone will be free.
	And then in 2016, it was pretty interesting.
	You had 17 candidates in the Republican primary, four in the Democratic primary.
	But if you look at the issue of immigration, for example, there were only two candidates that broke with their party's consensus.
	Bernie Sanders on the left, who it's interesting to note, is not a Democrat.
	He's an independent who caucuses with the Democrats.
	And then, of course, Donald Trump.
	The difference between the two of them is that Trump pulled off the most improbable of all victories.
	He was endorsed by no newspapers, by almost no prominent Republicans.
	He was opposed by the commentariat, by the Wall Street Journal.
	And he managed to pull off this amazing victory.
	And what I find most amazing about him is, with everything they've thrown at him since then, He's indefatigable.
	He hasn't lost his enthusiasm, his will to fight.
	I mean, I think that most other men by this point would be broken and discouraged and would think, no way in hell I'm subjecting myself and my family to another four years of this.
	And the guy is indomitable.
	He doesn't stop.
	So I find, I guess, the two most amazing things to me in the past seven years are him pulling it off in 2016 against all odds, and him coming back roaring in 2024 in spite of everything that they've thrown at him, the media, the courts, the deep state.
	I mean, it's kind of surreal.
	The one question I really have, or the two questions I really have are, Will they let him win?
	I.e., can he beat the margin of cheating and of lawfare?
	And second, even if he does win, will he be able to govern?
	Or will he once again be even more ferociously opposed by the courts, the bureaucracy, the deep state, the media?
	You know, to me, it's an open question whether a President Trump would be able to deport the flood of illegal aliens who are invading the country.
	I have no doubt he wants to, But he will be up against some very powerful forces.
	Yeah, yeah.
	OK, you've teed up everything I want to discuss for the next hour.
	I know him because I worked for him in the White House, but I'm curious how an outsider sees it, given your knowledge of other political actors and historical context.
	It shocks me as somebody who worked for him.
	that he's actually prepared to do this again after four years of incessant calumny, the courts, the libel, that he'd do it again.
	What kind of individual is this in historic perspective?
	I mean, I would say as a Canadian who is in love with this, in this country, rather, he, not a rather, He's drawing from the best of the American tradition in the sense of there is a manliness to America.
	Now, it has been suffocated and repressed for the past century in various ways.
	I mean, we live in a very feminized society.
	Masculinity is pathologized.
	Little boys who don't behave like little girls are stuffed with Ritalin.
	Everyone is put into therapy.
	And Trump is like this roar from the old manly America, the America that put a man on the moon, that conquered a vast continent, that won two world wars, that doesn't take no for an answer, that likes to win.
	I mean, his invocation, that slogan was so good.
	We're going to make America great again.
	And it taps into two things.
	The dawning realization that we are no longer a great country because we've been misgoverned for so long.
	But that we do yearn for greatness.
	And he went beyond the stale platitudes of the American dream.
	You know, if I may offer one friendly criticism of this country from someone who really loves it is, Americans give an insufficiently great account of what makes America great.
	They instinctively default to the American dream that if you work hard, you can get ahead.
	To which I say, honestly, you can do that in Belgium, and you can do that in Canada, and you can do that in Sweden.
	What to me makes America great is the boldness, the daring, the, uh, I mean, these things I mentioned, putting, I mean, who looks at the moon and says, we're going to put a man on there and then bring him back.
	He is, uh, yeah, there's something indomitable and it should give hope to all of us on the right who tend to despair and looking at the state of the country, that the old American spirit is not dead.
	And at the end of the day, without that spirit, without a revitalization of the American spirit, we won't be able to do any of the things we want to do.
	Because to a large extent, we have lost the country.
	The institutions are dominated by an elite that despises America and Americans.
	And we will need not just the spirit and courage, we'll also need cunning and a plan and staffing and money.
	But this spirit, this defiant spirit, is the prerequisite to doing all the things worth doing to save the country.
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	I got so many questions, I'm worried we're going to run out of time, but let me just go back to what you said about the, what did you call it?
	You called it the BIPEC, the Bipartisan Elite Consensus, right?
	How did we get here?
	Because you're absolutely right.
	There is this bi-coastal elite that laughs.
	I mean, this clip we played yesterday after the midterms of the former White House press secretary, Jen Psaki, who's now a, you know, show host on a mainstream cable channel, laughing because she says, well, I live in Virginia and I don't understand these exit polls.
	All these Trump supporters who voted for Trump, they said their number one issue is immigration.
	Last time I checked, Virginia wasn't a border state!
	Ha ha ha ha ha!
	So, you know, this arrogance, this kind of let-them-eat-cake separation from the American people, how did this become a bipartisan aspect?
	Because you're right, the RINOs, the establishment, the Democrats, really there's no difference between them on big issues.
	When did the rot settle in that they had such disregard for the will of the American people who actually are their employer?
	Where would you point that crunch moment?
	Yeah, and let me just sharpen or accentuate what you said.
	It's not just a disregard, it's content.
	Angelo Cotevilla wrote a really fantastic essay which I'm sure you read in 2008 called America's Ruling Class.
	I remember Rush Limbaugh had read the whole thing on air.
	I think Angelo turned it into a book before he died.
	That's correct.
	He reprinted it as a book and contempt as the defining feature of the ruling class in
	terms of how they view the rest of America and that Psaki quote you mentioned also
	highlights something he doesn't talk about but we all see is the
	ignorance how they just don't understand the rest of the country but they also don't
	like it. You know the Obama quote, they cling to their guns and their religion
	was so revealing in terms of this mentality and by the way it really brings out I
	think the two aspects that give the elites and I should add foreigners
	the greatest perplexity when it comes to America
	It's Christianity and guns.
	Because this is really the place, I think, along with free speech, where America is most an outlier compared to other Western nations.
	We are, even though Christianity is regrettably in decline and battered and bruised, and as Ross Douthat says, there's a lot of bad religion in America.
	Yeah.
	We remain more observant and the churches have more warm bodies on Sunday mornings than
	anywhere else in the West I can think of.
	And then we're really the last people who understand the value of an armed citizenry.
	And I gotta tell you, as a foreigner, this, for me, was the longest distance to travel.
	Like, you grew up in Canada.
	No one has firearms, and you're just taught to think that it's the government and the police jobs to protect you.
	And you see on television these Americans with guns, and you think they're crazy.
	They're completely crazy.
	But then you realize what it does for the civic virtue of the people To not have fully offloaded to the state the responsibility to protect your home and your family.
	It doesn't mean that Americans waltz around with automatic weapons when they go to the grocery stores, but it's the mental habit that I still have some duties that I haven't offloaded to the state.
	So, in any case, to answer your question, I couldn't tell you exactly when it begins, Sebastian.
	It's been going on for decades and intensifying.
	But there has to be some deal.
	There has to be a point at which the putative conservatives said, well, let's just scratch the left's back and they'll scratch ours.
	When does that happen?
	Under whose leadership did that mutual admiration society begin?
	I mean, this, yeah, this is where I will confess, I mean, there's always been a tension in the 20th century between the Republican Party and conservative intellectuals on the one hand, and the base and Republican voters and people who, I guess, people who donate to National Review and people who write for National Review.
	There have always been frictions there.
	What I can tell you is, where it comes from is the universities.
	I think that the universities are the central nodes in the regime.
	I mean, think about it.
	Who runs America?
	You'll say corporations.
	Well, where do the CEOs go to learn their worldview?
	Universities.
	You'll say the government.
	People who work in government have college degrees.
	And then you look at the arts, media, Hollywood, nonprofits, foundations.
	You name the sphere of influence in America, you will find that it is run by people who went to universities, and there's a handful of exceptions.
	I'm lucky enough to work at one of them, but let's be honest.
	They're all the same, not in terms of prestige.
	They're all the same in terms of the worldview that imbues them.
	The worldview of the professors.
	The teaching you to despise.
	A combination of not knowing American history and knowing that it's bad.
	That it's basically slavery.
	The combination of promoting sexual degeneracy.
	the worship of purportedly oppressed identity groups.
	We kind of, it is where you learn the new creed.
	And this is why people who run the right, generally speaking, went to colleges
	and they picked it up there.
	And so what makes Trump interesting, because someone will say, well, you know, he went to Warren.
	Yes, but Trump, like JD Vance, like others, like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson
	are traitors to their class.
	And I think that's what we need more of on the right, is people who can operate in elite America, in coastal America, understand the lingo, but see through the BS and decide to basically betray their social class and stand on behalf of The Americans who cling to their guns and their religion, even though they themselves, you know, I don't know what Elon Musk does, but I don't know that he's a church-going person.
	And I guess I wouldn't be surprised if he has no firearms.
	But you can see that his mind is in the process of changing.
	That, if I see a future for the country, is to have more class traders.
	Elite Americans.
	Yeah, to be clear, traders to the elite class.
	That's who David's talking about.
	Correct.
	So there's no confusion.
	Correct.
	He may be from Canada, but he is going to cling to his Bible and his newly purchased AR-15.
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	Okay, I want to enlist your assistance in helping me answer a question that I grappled with in my latest article.
	It's the reason, the real reason they all hate Donald Trump.
	And I've been grappling with this since I worked in the White House for the President because I was trying to, as a human being, understand why you'd so hate another human being who just disagrees with you politically.
	You know, to call a man who moved the embassy to Jerusalem, whose daughter converted to Judaism, an anti-Semite and a bigot.
	I mean, there's a certain level of, you know, invertebrate vermin that just thinks that's okay.
	So, the most philo-Semitic president since 1948, but he's the anti-Semite.
	And I've got two theories.
	Number one, he is the quintessence of the modern alpha male.
	So, you know, the bell crystals of the world who are being given noogies in high school can't stand him and they see him as a bully.
	And then the second is, and this is the gist of my article, it comes from a discussion I had with Pastor Jack Hibbs earlier this week.
	He really loves America.
	I mean, and he doesn't believe in the 1619 project.
	He doesn't believe in the cisgender white patriarchy.
	He loves America, and that's inexcusable.
	Is there any other ingredient that so justifies their vituperation and hatred?
	Yeah, I'd say two more.
	One is he threatens their interests.
	They realize that if he could implement the whole of his agenda, they would lose from the grift and the connections to government that they run on.
	I mean, he wanted to drain the swamp, and they are the swamp, and it's their livelihood.
	So that's one.
	The other is temperamentally, He doesn't.
	This I see with so many people who are not that political and are still willing to vote for Biden, even though they realize Biden is kind of a vegetable and they don't like the state of the economy.
	He provokes, Trump provokes allergic reactions in people because, look, let's be honest, he can be vulgar.
	You know, he doesn't behave in a presidential way sometimes.
	He doesn't talk.
	Why does that matter?
	And when people bring this up, I say, are you a child?
	How's your 401k doing?
	If you think that mean tweets are more important than crushing ISIS, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
	I don't get it, David.
	Well, it does.
	I mean, I'm not telling you I agree with them, but they're more bothered.
	I think you especially see it with these people who don't follow politics all that much.
	They just, they feel that it makes them look bad vis-a-vis the eyes of foreigners, and the media magnifies and hounds them.
	I mean, can you imagine if the media covered Trump, covered Biden or Obama the way they covered Trump?
	So it's exacerbated by that, but they're just bothered by the fact, which I gotta say, I find very endearing because there's so much suffocating BS in American public life.
	So many lies.
	There's something refreshing About Trump's way of talking.
	And you know, the beginning of wisdom for Trump is that Selena Zito line from 2015 or 16 is the mistake that his critics make is that they take him literally but not seriously.
	Whereas people who support him don't take literally every last thing he says, but they take him seriously in terms of the broad thrust of what he's proposing.
	But he does give them the hives and allergic reactions.
	But to be quite honest, I don't think he should stop doing so because so much of his appeal to ordinary Americans is this sincerity to Trump that very much makes them feel like he's not like all the other politicians.
	He doesn't talk like them.
	So, yeah, I for one find it endearing and refreshing, but mine is not a majority verse in Washington, D.C.
	All right.
	I think we've got the title for this segment, Eric.
	I find Trump's style refreshing.
	I think that'll get a few eyeballs.
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	Okay, I've got so many more questions to get through.
	Let's talk about the two things that should be of greatest concern.
	Number one, Do you trust that we will have an opportunity to actually freely elect the president we want in November?
	No, I don't trust that.
	We may, but no, I don't have confidence in the American electoral system.
	And I especially don't have confidence because one of the parties is adamant That they don't want to give me confidence.
	I mean, it wouldn't be that hard.
	You know, I'll never forget when I moved here.
	And I first encountered this argument that it is racist to ask people for ID to vote.
	And I really, really couldn't process that one.
	And you see that any kind of commonsensical reform to make our elections more secure, to instill confidence from voters in both parties, are opposed tooth and nail by one party in the states where it's happening.
	So it may well be, I would never ever discourage people from voting, I think that would be the biggest mistake we could make, is to think, oh it's all rigged, there's no point in voting.
	But no, I don't have full confidence in the American electoral system, but I think it wouldn't be all that hard to instill that confidence, as I said, for all Americans.
	You know, clean up the rolls, vote in person the day of, and seriously, seriously limit, you know, mail-in or early ballot for you know, really special cases, maybe troops abroad,
	someone who's, you know, has a terrible illness, but otherwise, I think you should vote in person
	the day of. And if it means waiting in line, well, you know, it's your civic duty doesn't always
	have to be easy. Rights are easy. Duties are supposed to be a bit more burdensome. Yeah. The second
	concern I have, it kind of flows out of an aphorism or observation of my friend Chris Platt, who
	has the morning show here in DC on WMAL.
	He says one of the greatest achievements of the left in the last 40 years is to guarantee that decent people would never work in a Republican administration and especially not a Trump administration.
	And I can relate to that.
	I'd be prepared to do it again if the President wanted me, but what I went through is one thing, but what my wife went through, what my children went through, to have a quote-unquote journalist write a hit piece on my son who's aged 18 at high school age and call him a traitor by name in the headline of the article What kind of normal person would be prepared to do that?
	So is this one of the greatest successes and one of our greatest concerns?
	For if, God willing, he wins, who on earth is going to fill those 4,000 presidential slots?
	Yeah, and consider that the first time around, he didn't even manage to fill all of the slots.
	You know, you need to find people who are A, ideologically aligned.
	So that's the first problem.
	Because Trump's base is not in D.C., in New York, in the elite cities.
	He can't just go to any think tank in D.C.
	and draw from there.
	So that's your first obstacle.
	Second, you can be ideologically aligned, but you need to have some competence.
	You need to have some experience.
	Generally speaking, the people who have experience serving in Republican administrations, who've been in D.C.
	for a long time, do not like Trump.
	And then even if you can overcome these two things, You pointed out to it, and you went through it, and I'm very sorry to hear about what they did to your son.
	I didn't know that, but I must say I'm not surprised.
	Because you know that they will unleash everything on you.
	And then, you know, you got lucky if it was only media hits.
	What happens if you start getting, you know, law enforcement or the IRS deciding to persecute your family, to hound you for a penny you didn't pay in taxes 20 years ago?
	It creates a real barrier to entry.
	Add to that the fact then that if you want to serve in the National Security Council, you need to get security clearances.
	And guess who issues them?
	The deep state.
	The intelligence agencies that were involved in the Russia hoax and in hounding the administration.
	It is a real obstacle, and if you overcome all of that to go back to what we talked about, you are then going to find a media environment that is vehemently opposed to anything you say or do, and then courts and a bureaucracy that will challenge, impede, stymie and slow down So my one hope is, I really do hope that Trump has learned some good lessons from the first term.
	He did some good things on the first term, but he didn't do as much as he would have wanted to or as much as he promised.
	And I hope that behind the bravado of, you know, we always win, he did realize what he needs to do differently the second time around to defeat his enemies within the government.
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	A tactical question for you as we close our discussion, which has been immensely enjoyable.
	You have recently left the swamp, but I'm sure you have lots of people you still know who live and work in the swamp.
	As those who love America and who have conservative values, who understand the founding, What tips would you give our listeners?
	You're talking to about three and a half million listeners right now across the nation.
	When you're in conversation with somebody who doesn't like the mean tweets or thinks Uncle Joe is a nice, affable old geezer, what is the best way to communicate to those people you identify that I don't think about enough?
	And they're the people who don't think about politics, who aren't imbued with politics.
	How do we communicate to them the stakes or the truths they should be ruminating over, David?
	You know, that was a harder question to answer in 2016 because Trump was an unknown quantity politically.
	I find now I could say, OK, you don't like his tweets.
	You don't like the way he talks.
	You wish there were more decorum.
	But he was in office for four years.
	And tell me, what is the most radical, outrageous thing he did?
	He didn't get us into any new wars.
	The economy was doing well.
	He undid the Iran deal and was actually started once again boxing in Iran and undoing the terrible, terrible damage that Obama had done with that Iran deal, which basically saved, you know, one of America's, probably the regime that hates America more than any other regime in the world, saved it from the brink of financial collapse.
	Yeah.
	With the infusion of cash that went there.
	So you could criticize some of Trump's policies.
	You could say you wish he would have, but Where is the Third Reich?
	Where is, you know, the deportations?
	And I guess what they'll have to say is January 6th.
	To which I would say, regardless of what you think of it, it was a four-hour disturbance on Capitol Hill with a few hundred people, none of whom were armed.
	It was not an insurrection.
	It was not an attempted coup d'état.
	What happened to America post-George Floyd that summer of 2020 was infinitely worse than what happened on January 6th.
	On January 6th, a few hundred people breached the Capitol, most of whom did nothing.
	Some got rowdy.
	They were not armed.
	They did not kill any police officers.
	They did not loot.
	They did not burn down buildings.
	If anything, I would say the law has come down on them in a way that is disturbing.
	I mean, people who broke the law should be punished, but you really see how the regime comes down on them.
	Contrast that to the summer of George, where we had billions of dollars of destroyed property, looting, rioting, dead people, police officers who got killed in both Louisiana and Dallas.
	And I would say, yeah, but the media made excuses for it.
	You may think January 6th is the worst thing ever since 9-11 because the media has talked about it that way, but when you look at it objectively, America didn't come close to falling that day.
	So, I think that his policies, regardless of what you think of them, and you can criticize them from the left and from the right, were not that radical.
	And therefore, there's no reason to be so alarmist.
	Whereas Biden, I mean, I think the border should be dispositive.
	Yeah.
	I mean, one of my students was asking me, are we a failed state because of the border?
	And I said, no, we're not, because failed states lack the means to control their territory.
	Somalia is a failed state because the government can't control outside of Mogadishu.
	We don't lack the means.
	It's more pathetic.
	It's more worrisome.
	We lack the will.
	We overnight could shut down the border.
	We don't want to.
	Correct.
	And it's humiliating.
	It's dangerous.
	Americans are dying.
	It has serious implications for the long-term health of the country.
	That alone, to me, should be dispositive.
	You have open borders, Joe, against Trump, whose signature issue from day one has really been immigration.
	Yeah.
	And look, if people can't see that, I would chuckle and leave.
	You know, there's just a limit to the ability of how much you can persuade people.
	Yeah, I'd go get my AR-15 and go to the range for some range practice.
	Yeah, it's quite an irony that immigration is the issue that got him elected in 16, and
	now it's even easier to get him elected on the same issue.
	It's quite the irony.
	I think it goes back to what you said about the left, which I've said for a long time.
	They're wicked, they're ideological, but they're also cretins.
	They really are cretins.
	He hasn't written his first book yet, so I'm gonna take this opportunity to plug my wife's book.
	You can get it right now, Next Gen Marxism, what it is and how to combat it.
	It's gonna be as good as anything that our good friend ever publishes.
	He's going off to write something right now.
	Next Gen Marxism by Katie Gawker.
	Get it right now.
	Co-authored by Mike Gonzalez.
	Go to Amazon, wherever you get books.
	And in the meantime...

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