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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Good riddance, Mitch McConnell

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	the I don't have any announcement about that today.
	I I wonder why he didn't have an announcement about that yesterday.
	That is, Senator Mitch McConnell, Minority Leader of the Upper House of the Congress of the United States, not wanting to endorse the man who's just won, what is it, six primaries?
	Record-breaking figures?
	The latest Michigan?
	I think we know why.
	Because today he has announced that he is stepping down.
	He's not in a hurry, though.
	I mean, it's kind of turtle speed.
	He's not stepping down until November.
	But Mitch McConnell...
	is leaving the leadership position.
	First it was Rona, Romney, McDaniel.
	Now it's Mitch McConnell.
	How should we remember the legacy of this man?
	What has it bowed for politics in America?
	No monologue.
	We have too much of a packed show today.
	We are absolutely delighted to welcome the man behind one of the best sources of unbiased information in America.
	It's called JustinNews.com and his name is John Solomon.
	John, welcome to America First.
	Hey Seb, good to be with you.
	A big day, newsy day today, wow.
	Newsy, a big newsy day.
	I was flying back crack of dawn from Texas from a great Salem event in Dallas and I didn't have to think much about what we're going to talk about today because from Michigan to the border to the immigration crimes one after another to Mitch McConnell to Rona, I want to talk about Hunter Biden behind closed doors today because you are the expert, you're the author of a book everybody needs to get right now, Fallout, Nuclear Bribes, Russian Spies and the Washington Lies that Enriched the Clinton and Biden Dynasties.
	But as you rightly said as we are preparing to launch the show, we should stop for a moment and evaluate how will the ledger of history mark Mitch McConnell's tenure as senator and then minority leader?
	Listen, he's the longest Senate Republican leader in the history of the country.
	He rose to power in 2003, and I just want to point this out.
	When he rose to power, he billed himself as a security hawk and as a fiscal hawk on his watch.
	Are you sure?
	Can you check that?
	Are you telling me Mitch McConnell came in as a fiscal hawk, John Solomon?
	He did indeed.
	I remember the day I was covering Capitol Hill for Congress for the Associated Press back in those days.
	And he rose to power as the whip in 2003, eventually becomes the Speaker.
	I think he had a time as a Republican conference leader as well.
	But during that 20-year block where he has presided over the Senate as the Republican leader, the debt grew from $7 trillion.
	Our national debt accrued over 248 years of our history, grew from $7 trillion to nearly
	$34 trillion.
	More than three-quarters of the nation's debt over 248 years occurred on Mitch McConnell's
	watch.
	That is the first thing.
	His rhetoric and his imperature versus his record is widely different.
	In the last few years, as the nation's security eroded at the U.S. southern border, he stood
	silent, did not do anything to counter effectively Joe Biden's opening of the border, and tried
	to sell to the American people an immigration reform.
	I put those in quote, air quotes, uh, that would have set catch and release at 5,000 illegal aliens a day.
	One of the highest numbers before Joe Biden ever imagined in this country, his, uh, his pedigree and his record are very far apart.
	And I think that will be how history looks at him.
	Can you, I don't want to talk about partisan politics because you're above that, but can you explain what is the trend line, what are the factors from that day when you were covering his arrival to his announcement today that have seen this transmogrification of people who came in literally promising one thing and doing exactly the opposite.
	Was it just Washington DC doing its thing or have you identified another series of factors that sees this reversal through osmosis?
	You know when I first came to town in 1991 there was a Wisconsin senator that had just retired.
	He was a liberal, a progressive, named Bill Proxmire.
	But he was a thrifty guy.
	He believed in saving the taxpayers money, even though he's a progressive on social issues.
	He had the famous Golden Fleece Award that used to shame the government for wasting America's taxpayer dollars.
	And he had just retired.
	He was in a cubby.
	And I went to go meet him because I didn't know anyone in Washington.
	just a new kid here. And he said to me, son, I'll give you a couple of good pieces of advice.
	They will serve you well, however long you're in this town.
	The first is, follow the money, and you'll know why Congress does what it does. OK, that's
	a good. Money drives everything in this town. And two, don't underestimate Democrats' hands
	to overplay their hand or Republicans' ability to rescue defeat from the jaws of
	victory.
	And I've looked back over that advice, and the last 20 years are exactly that, right?
	Democrats get pushed in the envelope, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend.
	And many times when Republicans had the upper hand to say, no, or we're going to close the border, we're going to do it, they always rescued a victorious opportunity and led to their own defeat of their own principles.
	And I think Mitch McConnell is that sort of capitulator that each time could have stood
	firm on principles like Ronald Reagan did, but instead capitulated, avoided conflict.
	And as a result, his legacy is about $28 trillion of debt will be accumulated on his watch by
	the time he leaves in November and the most insecure border we ever have.
	He'd rather spend more money securing Ukraine's border than our own and he tried to sell to the American people the first ever codified legislative catch and release program to the American public.
	That's his legacy.
	I think we have the title for his legacy.
	Could be the title of an article.
	Maybe it's something called justthenews.com.
	Mitch McConnell, the great capitulator.
	Justthenews.com.
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	Follow John at JSolomonReports.
	Alright, we've got a couple of minutes left.
	We have Hunter Biden behind closed doors.
	Do you have any expectations of this deposition today?
	What should be asked?
	And what should Americans expect?
	Listen, I think the Democrats are going to confront Hunter Biden with the receipts, all this evidence that they have, bank records, testimony, and say, you keep saying this, Hunter Biden, that you never involved your father in this, but you made him take him over to China, and you made him meet with your first Chinese business partner.
	You made him go to dinners at Cafe Milano, where he was meeting with Russian oligarchs, Kazakh oligarchs, your Burisma executives at a time when Burisma was a dirty word in the United States government.
	You did involve your father.
	In fact, your own partner said you involved your father.
	How can you stand there and say this today?
	I think the withering confrontation of the facts and evidence versus under Biden's answers will be the story that permeates from this thing.
	He will not be able to explain away all of the evidence that contradicts his storyline and I think you'll probably end up being a very
	difficult witness for Democrats to swallow when we're done.
	And then when this is done, I expect the Russia, Russia, Russia, Democratic mantra to boomerang.
	I think there will be some major revelations later this week on the Biden's own interest
	in Russia that have not yet before been disclosed and it will boomerang.
	Russia, Russia, Russia.
	Democrats are going to regret picking that fight.
	But they're doubling down on it.
	I mean just this week we had Democrats in the House using the this is all Russian propaganda line again, John.
	I mean it's as if it's a drug they can't kick.
	Yeah, well, it's all they got, right?
	They can't run on their security or economic record, right?
	The world's aflame, the borders are aflame, the cities are aflame.
	Our wallets don't buy nearly as much as they used to buy in 2021.
	So they can't run on anything but this.
	But it's the boy cried wolf syndrome.
	Americans aren't going to buy it.
	And when they see just how dug deep the Biden family was in Russia, that has not yet been exposed, I think they're going to understand why they picked up this Russia course.
	They're trying to project onto Republicans what they were doing.
	I touched on some of this in my book, but there's brand new revelations we're going to be able to deliver to the American public later this week.
	Trust this man.
	He's got the goods and he's got the receipts.
	The book, get it right now, is Fallout.
	John Solomon and Seamus Brunner And if you enjoy our show, make sure you are subscribed to the podcast.
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	Thanks for watching.
	Title for that one?
	Alright.
	Title for that one.
	Um.
	Very simple.
	What?
	You know what guys?
	Can you just turn up the studio speaker for me?
	Just not too loud, because this IFP is just crapping out on me.
	Okay.
	Give me the comms.
	Put your comms through here as well.
	Say something.
	Testing, testing.
	Three minutes.
	Can you hear me?
	Yes.
	Awesome.
	All right.
	Let's record this other one, Alex.
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	There's more to her than just persecuting the President.
	She's persecuting average patriotic Americans as well, and you need to talk to one of them.
	You need to get her on the show.
	And that's why right now we've invited Kathy Latham to tell her story in front of millions of Americans.
	She is going to be described on our show simply as a Georgia Trump indictee, a retired teacher and GOP official.
	Kathy, welcome to the Salem News Network.
	Oh, thank you so much for having me.
	It's an honor.
	Thank you.
	Alright, so I'm just going to read because, you know, you're in the midst of all this legal nightmare, so I don't want to get you in trouble with your attorneys or with the people who are persecuting you.
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	So I'm just going to read the tweet that Amanda Milius put out there, so if she said something wrong, you can take it up with her.
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	She doesn't have a big platform and doesn't appear on your TV every night.
	Kathy was indicted by Fulton County DA Fannie Willis for her efforts to ensure a fair election in 2020.
	She was an award-winning public high school economics teacher.
	Before being indicted on 11 felony counts by the state of Georgia.
	Kathy was the Coffey County GOP Chair and the voice of the 129 counties in Georgia with a population of almost 80,000.
	These indictments have prevented Kathy from passing background checks or from obtaining employment.
	Her situation is the epitome of the purpose of lawfare.
	To quote a great FBI whistleblower, the process is the punishment.
	Kathy, tell us about your story as much as you can and what Fannie Willis has tried to do to you.
	Well, I was raised by parents who said that we love God, country, and family first.
	And that's the way I was raised.
	I was raised by a Marine and a mother who worked with veterans.
	She was a VA nurse.
	And when I was a kid growing up, I was a candy striper and her patients were World War I veterans.
	So I grew up serving.
	When my kids were grown, I started getting involved in GOP politics and eventually became a GOP chair for the county.
	I also became part of the executive committee in the Georgia GOP and even served as an elector for the 2020 election.
	And everything we did was to ensure a fair election for every Georgia voter.
	That's always been my goal is to make sure that the right to vote is sacred and it's precious.
	And I've always done everything I can to make sure that every Georgia voter had a fair chance.
	And I testified in the Georgia Senate to some things that I saw and witnessed.
	And everything kind of just blew up from there.
	I retired from teaching probably a year before I really wanted to just because things were getting crazy.
	And What should be a wonderful retirement has become now a fight for my life, fight for my freedom, and this is what it's been like.
	It's isolating, but in the sense I have also have learned to rely so much on my faith, my family, and my friends.
	You know, it's been humbling to ask people for help.
	I have a GiveSendGo account.
	The Courage Under Fire Legal Defense Fund has also helped me, and of great support has been the Georgia GOP.
	GiveSendGo.com slash Kathy underscore Latham.
	That's GiveSendGo.com slash Kathy with a C underscore Latham.
	And what have you been accused of doing?
	Because you just testified to things you saw, so how can that be a crime?
	Well, as I said, I was an elector, so I've been charged for all of the things that went with the electors.
	The media called us fake electors, but we weren't.
	We were just doing our duty if President Trump had his court case.
	Then I testified in the Senate for some of the things I saw, and it just kind of exploded.
	I've not been able to talk about anything and I can't wait for a day for a fair trial where everybody can tell their story because we're not allowed to tell our story.
	That's one of our conditions of our bond and stuff is we can't talk about the case.
	I have to let lawyers do that talking, etc.
	But we can talk about, you know, other stuff.
	All right.
	Well, until we can talk about the case, I want everybody listening, we're talking to about three and a half million Americans right now, to support this lady.
	Please read her story at givesendgo.com slash Kathy underscore Latham, and please support her if you can, because if they can do it to her, They literally can do it to any American.
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	And keep Kathy and her loved ones in your prayers.
	Stay strong my friend.
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	I told for Solomon and Kathy okay all right
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	Thank you.
	Can somebody give me a sound check?
	Testing, testing.
	Minute 45.
	Good, good, good.
	All right.
	Do you have the photographs of Lake and Riley?
	Let me check.
	Thank you.
	Do you want to do a Casio cut shot now, or?
	Um, yeah.
	Yeah, I have them.
	Okay, I'm going to use them here, along with the Tapper cut.
	Four.
	five, nine, and.
	Okay.
	And twelve.
	Okay, four.
	Finally, some good messaging from the GOP.
	Senator Ron Johnson calls Joe Biden the Don, calls the President, calls Joe Biden the Don of the Biden crime family and put Don in quotes.
	All right.
	Five.
	Well, isn't that interesting?
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	I got very angry yesterday.
	Was it yesterday?
	No, it was the day before.
	It was Jen.
	Jen was standing in for me yesterday.
	She did an amazing job.
	It's funny to be in Texas.
	at an event for listeners for AM 660 for Mark Davis and people kept coming up to me saying hey Jen we heard Jen today as you're flying here and she was great and then she interviewed your wife Katie about their new podcast so clearly you're a big hit Jen and I can't wait for the new podcast you're gonna launch with my wife Katie but the day before when it came to the case of Lake and Riley I got angry.
	And I'm still angry.
	Because of utter complete filth like Jake Tapper, former Democrat Hill staffer.
	Listen very carefully to the words he uses in this 15 second cut.
	It's just 15 seconds.
	You can miss it if you're, you know, not paying attention.
	But listen to the words he uses.
	Cut 12.
	So, Republicans obviously seizing on this horrific tragedy at the University of Georgia.
	This girl, this nursing student, killed by an undocumented Venezuelan migrant.
	And they're seizing on this as an example of Biden's failure to protect the American people, to secure the border.
	Republicans are seizing on the tragedy.
	Seizing?
	How are we seizing on the tragedy?
	What does that even mean?
	Seizing on the tragedy.
	We're not allowed to talk about it?
	22 year old girl, let's put a photograph up.
	Beautiful, beautiful young girl.
	Whose life has just ended, cut short.
	The reports from the autopsy are that her head was so crushed in, it was hard to identify her.
	22 years old.
	Never going to have a family, never going to be led down the aisle by her father, never going to have children, a career, nothing.
	Just snuffed out by José Ibarra.
	What does Jake Tapper call him?
	Let's play the cut again.
	Just see what Jake Tapper called José Ibarra.
	So Republicans obviously seizing on this horrific tragedy at the University of Georgia.
	This girl, this nursing student, killed by an undocumented Venezuelan migrant.
	And they're seizing on this as an example of Biden's failure to protect the American people and to secure the border.
	Undocumented Venezuelan migrant.
	What does that even mean?
	Undocumented?
	He has documents given to him by Joe Biden's government.
	Illegal documents, according to the U.S.
	Constitution, because they crossed the border after clearing themselves through the CBP-1 app, lying about their asylum status, and they're given what?
	A plane ticket.
	A cell phone.
	Spending money.
	So yeah, they're documented.
	Illegally.
	By the government.
	What do you mean, undocumented?
	He was let in by your Democrat buddies, Jake Tapper.
	And he's not an undocumented Venezuelan immigrant.
	An immigrant comes here legally, is screened.
	You can't screen eight million people in three years.
	You lying piece of human excrement, Jake Tapper.
	You are filth.
	That woman is dead and you're acting as a chief propagandist for the Democrats.
	You have no conscience.
	You have no soul.
	He's not an undocumented Venezuelan immigrant.
	He's a criminal who broke the law when he came to America and then in New York Broke it again by endangering a minor.
	And was released again by your Democrat buddies in New York.
	But you are the faithful lapdog licking at the testicles of the Democrat party hound.
	Because he's an undocumented Venezuelan immigrant.
	You are scum, Jake Tapper.
	And America sees right through you.
	As did I all those many years ago when you called me up.
	Remember the phone call I recorded that you begged me not to release?
	Maybe it's time for me to release that call.
	You soulless propagandists for evil.
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	O'Keefe had a secret workout with Judge Ergaron.
	O'Keefe?
	Yeah, James O'Keefe.
	He's gonna post today at four o'clock.
	A workout?
	Yeah.
	What, like, they're gonna show us what their favorite stretching exercises are?
	I don't know, it looks like he was pretending to be a trainer or something.
	Oh, seriously, is it gonna be another dance routine?
	This one might be good.
	Uh, titles.
	When was the last really big thing they broke?
	It's been a while.
	Right?
	The... Some of the stuff with the vaccine, I think.
	Remember the one guy?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But it's always like these bottom-tier people.
	Alright?
	It's like researcher, you know, level 12.
	Okay, what's... give me the important cuts.
	Oh, hang on.
	What else do we have to talk about?
	We did Jordan... Oh, Rick Wilson.
	No, no, no.
	The cuts for casting.
	So 9 and 12.
	Overweight propagandists like Rick Wilson.
	Have utter and complete contempt.
	No, obese.
	Call him obese.
	propagandists like Atric Wilson have utter contempt for all Americans outside
	of their quote elite circle. This perennial loser Think, uh, wants you to believe that Joe Biden didn't open America's borders.
	Donald Trump did.
	No one's buying it.
	Little Ricky boy.
	And then, uh, 12, right?
	Yep.
	No.
	At Jake Tapper.
	and I'll see you next time.
	Laken Riley's brutal murderer isn't a, quote, undocumented Venezuelan migrant.
	Next sentence.
	He was given illegal documents by Joe Biden.
	And then he injured a child.
	To be continued...
	To be continued...
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	It's about the Veep, right?
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	Okay, so why is Nikki Haley after being defeated?
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	Say again, I'm sorry?
	It's the sixth primary, the sixth caucus, right?
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	Defeated again, and what options have we given our dear listeners on the website?
	Option number one, why is she still running?
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	How disgusting is Rick Wilson?
	Rick Wilson is this disgusting and this is how stupid he thinks you are.
	Cut 9.
	Look, they're going to take away the one thing Trump claims he has, which is strength on the border.
	Biden has offered, and the Democrats have offered, the best and most balanced border security bill that's been out there in 45 years.
	And the people that are siding with the cartels and the coyotes and the smugglers and all the catalog of demons the Republicans talk about every day, the one guy keeping that border open is Donald Trump!
	I'm curious, Jeff.
	Is Rick Wilson an election denier?
	Does he think President Trump is still the president and that he opened the border?
	Maybe he should be reported then to social media because he was very strong about election deniers ever since January 6th.
	He's really had a problem with them.
	But seriously, he knows he's a lying piece of filth, right?
	It's like how for the first time in the last month, for three years, the border hasn't been a problem.
	Now all of a sudden it's a problem and it's Trump's fault.
	Oh, that's good.
	For three years, not a problem.
	Suddenly, the border's a problem and it's Trump's fault.
	Oh, Ricky, poor Ricky.
	Does your wife still have the South Shall Rise Confederate flag cooler?
	If you don't believe me, guys, they haven't managed to delete it off the internet.
	There's a photograph of his wife on their boat with a South Shall Rise Confederate flag bedecked beer cooler.
	That's who Rick Wilson is.
	Let's go to your calls, waiting patiently in Phoenix.
	Glenn!
	Greetings, Glenn.
	Good morning.
	Good afternoon.
	So, Seb, you and I always agree on every issue, but on this issue, there's absolutely no daylight between us.
	...collusion issue.
	God, I studied more of this than any other issue in my life.
	What did you find most useful?
	Is it the books by Solomon, Bongino, Greg Jarrett, or Lee Smith?
	Who did you rely upon most?
	All of the above.
	All of them, but plus I also had The Ball of Collusion by Andy McCarthy.
	That was a great book!
	Until Andy went loco, never Trump.
	Ball of Collusion was great!
	It's a great book.
	So here's the issue that nobody's talking about.
	Obviously, I called him because I know former President Trump and people that are close to him listen to you.
	So this is very, very, uh, gosh, I don't even, I'm, I hate to say scared, but it's frightening.
	So last week when they arrested the FBI informant, Jamie Raskin, so both of these, both Democrats that said this, Jamie Raskin called it for James Comer to start being investigated because, quote, they were using a Russian informant.
	Well, today, Dan Goldman, after the hack to Hunter Biden, he called for both James Comer and Jim Jordan to be investigated.
	So the reason I'm frightened is, back in 2015 and 2016, when they got Crossfire Hurricane, all four people that signed off on the FISA warrants, why am I going to FISA?
	Because they had a warrant, and then they had three subsequent renewals.
	A good warrant's good for 90 days.
	So they basically spied on Trump for 360 days, right?
	But all four people that signed off on that warrant, FBI Director Comey, Deputy Director McCabe, Assistant Attorney General Rosenstein, and then Acting Attorney General Sally Yates when she was leaving, she signed off on the last one.
	Nothing happened to any of these people.
	So now the Democrats are asking for members of Congress to be investigated.
	If they did this for a person running for president, My God, Seb, do they have an active FISA warrant on anybody on Congress?
	Do they have an active FISA warrant on anybody on the Trump campaign?
	They did this before and nothing happened to them, Seb.
	It leads me to believe they're doing the same exact thing right now, man.
	What am I going wrong?
	No, you're absolutely right.
	You know they are.
	I mean, look, it was revealed a few months ago In Congress, under sworn testimony, that 200,000 Americans were illegally surveilled by the FBI in warrantless electronic searches, Glenn.
	That's not just, you know, President Trump, the Trump campaign, and, you know, Jim Jordan.
	200,000 Americans who are utterly innocent.
	So you bet your bottom dollar they're still doing it.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, Glenn, that was a little longer than I hope for, because we've got lots of other callers on the line.
	But you're impassioned and you're right.
	God bless you.
	Stay on the line.
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	Uh, everything thus far.
	You gotta work over the Berman title and then Solomon, Latham, the Tapper, is what you did.
	It's not just Trump.
	Bye.
	Fanny Willis wants me in prison too.
	Solomon... Mitch McConnell's true... Mitch McConnell's real Swamp Legacy.
	And then this is the Tapper segment.
	Drake Tapper Propagandists are evil.
	Yeah, good.
	Good. Preferences, Jeff?
	Preferences, Jeff?
	Five and three.
	Okay, good.
	How come Glenn dropped off?
	I don't know.
	He's an interesting... He is.
	5 and 3.
	You You
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	you Making sense out of today's nonsense, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Straight to your calls.
	Let's go to Line 3, James in Georgia.
	Dr. Gorka?
	Yes!
	You're doing a great job.
	Hey, yesterday you had a wonderful caller on.
	Named Wesley Cox.
	He didn't, and he owns one of your stations, one of your affiliates, WCGA in Southeast Georgia.
	Well, he must be a very, very sagacious and solid individual.
	He is, and I love his radio station.
	He wouldn't plug for it, but I will.
	WCGA 1100 AM.
	All right, enough with the promo.
	We've got lots of callers.
	What's your question, James?
	Here's what's going on right now in Georgia, as you know.
	So Covenant House has He transported the killer from Georgia.
	He was staying in New York at Covenant House, New York, and he was transported down here.
	Additionally, the University of Georgia employed the killer's brother, who was working with false papers at the University of Georgia as a dishwasher.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Is that it?
	Thank you.
	Stay on the line.
	Stay on the line.
	James, I want those sources.
	Give them to Jeff.
	That's really fascinating stuff.
	Let's go our buddy Ray in Livermore!
	Gorka Man!
	Gorka?
	What do you think?
	Do I have to change Dr. G to Gorka Man if the president says so?
	What do you think?
	It could be Dr. Gorka Man.
	I like that too.
	Dr. Gorka Man!
	Dr. Gorka Man.
	Okay.
	What's your comment for the day, Ray?
	Two, if time allows.
	Yeah.
	In your poll, why is Nikki still in?
	As Pencil Mike would say, what is the compromod?
	What is the compromod?
	I don't think there is compromod.
	I think she's as thick as a stump and greedy and in it for the money, personally.
	Yeah.
	Two, migrants.
	It seems like such a pleasant, soft word.
	So friendly.
	Let's remind Jake Tapper that migration heads in two directions.
	The geese come south for the winter, but in the summer, they head back where they came from.
	And guess what?
	When the election comes, The geese, the migrants, will be heading back where they came from.
	Well, we have to help them, God willing.
	It's up to us, you, me, Ray, all of our listeners, everybody who loves this country.
	We have to get President Trump back in the White House.
	And then remember, Ray, I asked him on this show, I've asked him on my Newsmax show, Mark Morgan, the former Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, how do we, how do we deport millions of illegals?
	And his reply, Ray, one by one.
	Don't you just love it?
	One at a time.
	God bless you, Ray.
	Stay on the line, Ray.
	He's one of our loyal favorites.
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	Is he still testifying?
	Is Hunter Biden on Capitol Hill?
	I wonder if he can ask the question that Senator Ron Johnson has used to describe his father.
	It's rather a good quote.
	Cut four!
	Well, first of all, he's lied repeatedly.
	Why do you lie if you have nothing to cover up?
	President Biden is the Don of the Biden crime family.
	You know, oftentimes the Dons kind of sit above all the criminal activity that occurs, but they're fully responsible for it.
	It was his name that they were peddling.
	It's his position that garnered millions of dollars from China and from Ukraine and from Russia.
	He is the head of the family.
	He was fully aware of it.
	He lied about the fact that he was aware of it.
	And so, I mean, I think he's completely complicit.
	The Don.
	He's the brand!
	Nothing happened without dropping his name.
	And then the interesting confluence in timing of the deals Hunter Biden got.
	This is Jim Jordan from the lower house of our Congress explaining how things work with those deals.
	I mean, there's a pattern with the Biden family.
	Hunter Biden goes out and tries to get business, but the agreements and the deals never get done until Joe Biden shows up, either on a phone call, stopping by a lunch, dropping by a dinner.
	That's when these things happen.
	And this Chinese energy company is a great example.
	He'd been working on this deal for months, but it wasn't until they're having a lunch at the Four Seasons restaurant, eight Chinese officials there with Hunter Biden and his business partners, that Joe Biden stops in.
	And then three weeks later, Shazam, here comes $3 million wired to Hunter Biden.
	So that's the pattern throughout.
	So we'll explore that kind of broad issue.
	Wow.
	So Joe gets involved and then suddenly the deal is sealed at the millions flow.
	Well, isn't that interesting?
	Let's analyze that in so much more with somebody you may have heard of.
	AM 590, AM 870, the answer, the co-host of the show that keeps L.A.
	and Southern California safe.
	We call her the West Coast Warrior Princess!
	It's been a while since you've been on this show, right Jen?
	At least 24 hours.
	And you know, I like this.
	I like doing daily check-ins on your program, Seb.
	I appreciate it.
	And it was so fun to fill in for you yesterday.
	Thanks for inviting me.
	All right, I just have to share this.
	So I fly to Dallas yesterday.
	That's why you hosted the show.
	And I'm so grateful to you because you've got enough radio to do it anyway.
	And I get there.
	We've got some photographs of me there.
	And this is where you should have a meet and greet with your listeners if you're me.
	This is like a massive humidor.
	This is Cigars International in Dallas, Fort Worth.
	And then we have me at the little meet-and-greet beforehand.
	And then we have the hosts, Mark and Rhonda, from the local 660 AM, 660, the station.
	And then we'll talk about the dudes I met afterwards.
	And they made me feel small, OK?
	These massive local cigar aficionados.
	We'll talk about their take on GLP politics.
	But you know what the really fun... And I'm not... I swear to... I swear to the Lord, OK?
	I'm there, mixing and mingling, before and after the event, because, hey, what am I going to do?
	I'm catching a plane at 6 o'clock.
	And I have multiple people, multiple people, with no apropos, come up to me and say, hey, we heard Jennifer on your show today.
	She's great!
	And then that interview with your wife, Katie, and their new podcast.
	I'm so excited.
	Jennifer, did you plant, are those ringers?
	Did you plant Texans in the audience?
	Yes.
	I have operatives in every state and the ones that were in Texas, that is so sweet.
	It is so nice because it is always great to get positive feedback because we always want to make sure we're connecting with our audience.
	I mean it when I say that this is my radio family, so I love hearing that.
	I have to tell you, I too got a lot of great feedback from doing the show yesterday, but particularly about the podcast that we announced for the first time on America First yesterday that I'll be doing with your wife, Katie.
	And I've had people already send me pitches for people they want us to talk to.
	Hang on, you haven't even started yet!
	I know, it's amazing.
	So I think people are really excited for a podcast like this because there really isn't a lot of content that's out there for women or just in general that's positive, optimistic, so we can influence the culture and, by the way, just connect with each other.
	Yeah, yeah.
	All right, so I want to talk about that event.
	We'll save that for a little bit, but let's talk about the news.
	Eric, do you have the article you wrote that I said is such a good analysis, I'd like you to share it on air.
	So let's do a little bit of, well, there's so much breaking news, this is no longer breaking news, but let's just analyze what Eric posted for us on our website earlier today.
	Go ahead, Eric.
	So, of course, last night, as Jen talked about when she guest hosted, we had the Michigan primaries for both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party.
	President Trump is now 6-for-6.
	That's including the Virgin Islands caucus.
	He won the Michigan primary in the biggest landslide of any of the primaries that we've had up to this point.
	A 42-point lead over Nikki Haley.
	He got over 750,000 votes, which broke his own record.
	He previously set the record for the most votes ever in a Republican primary in Michigan.
	In 2016, then he broke his own record again in 2020 when he was uncontested, and then he broke it again last night.
	So three times in a row he's broken the historic record.
	Nikki Haley, it was her worst loss yet, even worse than in South Carolina.
	And if there's one other person who had a worse night last night than Nikki Haley, it was Joseph Biden, who just over 100,000 Michigan Democrats followed Rashida Tlaib's recommendation and others.
	And voted uncommitted.
	That's 13% of primary voters last night.
	So, great summary, Eric.
	We do that every single day.
	We have a breaking story on the SebastianGawker.com website, so make sure you follow us there.
	Just bookmark SebastianGawker.com.
	You are a really astute observer of domestic politics, and you fight the fight every single day on your show.
	So, break down these two aspects of yesterday for me.
	Number one, President Trump breaking not only his own record in Michigan, but historic voter records, just as he did in New Hampshire where he broke the prior record of Bernie Sanders.
	Number one, how the heck does that happen after what they've done to him for seven years?
	And then the significance of the other part of the story Eric mentioned.
	100,000 people in Michigan, 13% of the population, of course agitated by the likes of Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, mostly the Muslims of Michigan, but 100,000?
	It's not that they didn't vote for Joe Biden, or they didn't go and vote, they voted against him as uncommitted.
	Can you explain the significance of those two things, Jennifer?
	But Nikki Haley.
	Oh, wait, sorry.
	She won!
	Of course, she won.
	Right.
	I mean, she got like, what, four people voting for her?
	You know, Trump doesn't have those four people.
	How is he going to win without those four people?
	No, in all seriousness, I think what's happening is the enthusiasm that is rolling through the country for Donald Trump.
	And it's because people see that he is being gone after by the swamp.
	I mean, 400 years in prison.
	Hundreds of millions of dollars.
	The fact—and we talked about this on your show yesterday—they're sending white powder to Donald Trump Jr.' 's house.
	I mean, these people are so afraid of the Trump family because they're not supposed to be there.
	They're not part of the political ruling class, both Democrats and Republicans, who are supposed to be in charge.
	And I think he's waking people up, and I think the enthusiasm's good.
	I am disgusted, however, that 100,000 people in Michigan don't want to stand with Israel.
	I mean, I think there is something to be said about that, but I am happy to see that they showed up.
	And I do believe that this is a huge problem for Joe Biden, because if those 100,000 people don't show up in November to vote for him, there's no way he's going to come close.
	Trump right now, in a head-to-head matchup, is beating Joe Biden by five points in Michigan today, if you look at the Real Clear Politics average.
	If he continues to lose voters and he loses support, Michigan will not be in play.
	And from what I'm hearing, people within his reelection campaign are trying to figure out
	a map, an electoral map, that doesn't include Michigan, because they think the state's probably
	lost.
	And that's because of the power of President Trump, not just in Michigan, but across the
	country.
	They're going to have to really keep looking at that map to figure out what they're going
	to be able to flip, because he's winning in all the swing states right now.
	Yeah, and then we... what a crazy... I feel like we're back in the Trump administration.
	The news cycle is absurd.
	Rona, Rona two days ago, was that yesterday?
	And then Mitch McConnell today.
	We're going to talk about that as well.
	But in the meantime, where are you going to be on July 4th, Jen?
	I'll be cruising with you and hopefully everyone listening!
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	We'll be back with Jen in a moment.
	What else do we need? Um...
	Oh, come in with 11, the Mitch McConnell cut again.
	Alright, mic's on.
	And then I'll do ADF.
	Come in with 11 and then ADF.
	So how many hours of radio was it yesterday, Jen?
	I did, well, I did an hour in the morning that I was not planning to do, but I did it as a favor, and then I did three hours for Morning Answer, three hours for you, and then as soon as I got off the air I did a half an hour for Midas School Group.
	And then I shut up and went home.
	And then you went to sleep.
	That I went to sleep.
	No, it was fun.
	What was the extra hour you had to do?
	You know the show that I used to do early in the morning?
	The Doug Stephan Show?
	I don't do it anymore, but the girl that is on the air with him was going through some health stuff, and so she asked if I could cover her for an hour.
	So I just did it from home, which is no big deal.
	I was fine.
	I put my makeup on on the air.
	It's great.
	Thankfully, there's no camera.
	I just do my makeup while I'm sitting there chit-chatting away.
	You've got to film that and put it on Instagram and your account will explode.
	I know.
	Isn't that funny?
	That's how I do radio when there's no camera involved.
	Just multitasking.
	Yeah, I don't think I could do that.
	I know.
	But you're such a pro.
	How many years have you been doing radio?
	You started, what, 14?
	What was it?
	I started when I was 12.
	12.
	I started working for my dad when I was 12.
	Jeff thinks he's a pro.
	I don't think he started at 12.
	He started at Radio America, though, didn't he?
	No, no, no.
	I was there.
	You didn't?
	I thought you were at Radio America.
	What?
	You worked at Radio... What?
	No, that was where Laura rented a studio.
	Oh, so you just went in there.
	Eric, can you do some oppo research on our producer?
	Just find out the truth.
	I know.
	I just figured, you know, especially with that email address that you would have gotten that from Michael, and I figured maybe you would have crossed paths with him at that point.
	Did Michael set those up?
	Yeah, he did, didn't he, Jeff?
	Is that where you got it?
	I think so.
	No.
	No.
	No!
	No!
	I'm telling you, one day we'll do a reality show about Jeff.
	He's very secretive.
	God, wouldn't that be fun?
	Oh, yes.
	You ask me to do opera research on him and soon enough I'm going to find a severed horse head in my bed.
	You have like an ankle bone stuck to your car.
	You've just ruined my day.
	You just had to bring that up, didn't you?
	You don't like Godfather?
	No, I don't think it's a good movie, number one.
	It's too bloody slow.
	That's true, actually.
	It is a little slow.
	It could have been a half an hour shorter, but it was still good.
	Just needed to pick it up.
	And then I was, I think, Nine years old, or eight years old, when I was at my cousin's home, who was allowed to do whatever he wanted.
	And he was watching it, and I walked into his bedroom for the horse head scene.
	And I like... It's the grossest one.
	It's like... Was he an illegal alien, since he was allowed to do whatever he wanted?
	No, he lives in California.
	He was from a very, very wealthy family, where the money destroyed him, really.
	Hey, I saw Ferrari this weekend.
	Have you seen Ferrari?
	No, it's good though, right?
	It was interesting.
	Yeah, I thought it was pretty good.
	Katie said it was alright.
	Yeah, it wasn't American fiction good, but it was good.
	Yeah, I need to see that.
	Penelope Cruz was really good.
	Coming with Mitch.
	Coming in with 11, yeah.
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	Over the weekend, Senator DeFoon came out and he endorsed Trump.
	The other lieutenants have endorsed Trump.
	Why are you holding out and endorsing a likely nomination?
	I don't have any announcement about that today.
	Yeah, because you're resigning tomorrow.
	Bye-bye!
	Bye-bye, Mitch!
	First it's Rona, then it's Mitch.
	Oh, what a delight.
	What a delight to behold.
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	She is with CRNTalk.com, keeping California sane with her show every morning, AM 590,
	AM 870, The Answer.
	Can I share with you a little, this guy, Wendell Huzebo, oh by the way, Wendell, little coincidence, Wendell at our event yesterday, gave me two Opus X cigars.
	One in the little meet-and-greet, and I smoked it down to the nub during the Q&A with Mark, and as it was running down and I had another hour to go on stage, he throws another one at me.
	It's just one of the best cigars out there.
	Wendell, you are a scholar and a gentleman.
	Anyway, that's another Wendell.
	This is from Wendell Hoosbow, who's been breaking some amazing stories on Breitbart.
	I'm sure you saw this, but this is for everyone out there.
	So somehow, I won't really reveal it.
	Anyway, Wendell had access to a teleconference yesterday where Rona, well, let's just listen to it.
	An audibly distressed outgoing chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, Rona Romney McDaniel, bid farewell to staffers during a Wednesday morning all-staff meeting.
	Quote, we've gone through a lot these past four years, or seven years.
	I guess she's confused.
	We had everything against this building, especially people on our own side.
	And that's the most unfortunate part about it.
	As she was crying on the call, she said, I'm so proud of what we've done.
	Not sure what she's proud of.
	And I'm just so honored to work with all of you, so I wanted to say thank you.
	Now, I just think there's one line in there that is the tell.
	We've gone through a lot.
	We had everything against this building.
	This building?
	What, what, the institution of the RNC?
	Isn't she meant to be fighting for America, Jen?
	Yeah, this is the problem.
	And, you know, I think, President Trump, yesterday when I was guest hosting for you, we had Jennifer Van Laar on the program from Red State, who broke the story about all of the misuse of money that people were donating to the RNC that was being spent on flowers and candles and gift baskets and chauffeurs and makeup artists and all of these things, while the Democrats are spending all of their money on the get-out-the-vote effort, right?
	So we're being outplayed election after election.
	I think what has happened is that President Trump has been extremely fair to Ronna McDaniel.
	I mean, he gave her really another chance.
	He's given her support.
	Even after that first bit of reporting came out about the misuse of funds, she didn't get it together.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Are you telling me you don't spend $70,000 on hair and makeup in a year?
	No!
	Imagine that!
	No, I don't.
	I don't think I've spent $70,000 on hair and makeup in my life.
	$100,000 on flowers?
	Are you telling me you don't spend $100,000 on flowers?
	Here's a tip, ladies.
	You go to Trader Joe's.
	They have great flowers, and they're like under $10.
	It's amazing.
	It's when you go to those fancy floors.
	But the truth is that I think she got very used to the power.
	And instead of fixing things, after she got called out the first time, things just got worse.
	And the American people lost faith in her.
	They lost faith in the fact that their money was going to the races that they cared about.
	And so people like Yousef and people like me have been telling folks on our radio shows to donate straight to the campaign.
	Donate to DonaldJTrump.com.
	Donate.
	to, for instance, Congressman Mike Garcia in my area, donate directly because the RNC
	may not be able to get that money there.
	But you know, that's not what the Democrats are doing.
	They're outplaying us because they're using their money at the DNC to get out the vote.
	We need a functional RNC that people trust.
	And that's why she had to go.
	I'm just surprised it took this long.
	But I think President Trump, as the leader of our party, has been extremely generous
	to her.
	And I hope that you don't hear any bad words coming out of Rana's mouth.
	I hope she's serious about continuing the fight from the outside of the RNC.
	We've only got a couple of minutes left, but I promised to mention these gentlemen, Sean and Jonathan, who I met.
	They weren't there for the event.
	They were sitting at the bar.
	And they're conservatives.
	They're rather large black individuals who came up to me afterwards to say thank you for what I said.
	And they said the following to me, Jen.
	They said, the GOP has got to reach out to the black community.
	And I couldn't agree more.
	What would you like to see President Trump do in the next few months?
	I want President Trump to go where the Democrats won't, because I think right now, every demographic group he's winning when it comes to Latino voters, when it comes to young voters, he needs to reach out to people that are not likely Republican voters, and he needs to talk.
	I would love to see President Trump go to black churches.
	I would love to see him say, Democrats have been making you promises for a long time.
	I kept my promises to Black America.
	I did criminal justice reform.
	I did make the economy better in your community, not just in general.
	I did get your job numbers up.
	I did all of this, and I want to do more.
	And I really believe, I believe Latino voters will save California, and I believe President Trump can win this election with the help of Latino voters, minority voters, young voters, and Black male voters as well.
	And I don't think he's afraid to reach out.
	I think he'll go everywhere, and I think he absolutely should.
	And that's why we're going to be front row at Madison Square Garden when he shows up, right?
	Oh my gosh, are you kidding me?
	Will you camp out with me?
	I told you we're going together.
	That's our time.
	We're gonna go.
	If he does it, we gotta be there.
	And you sit next to me, alright?
	When I stand up, we'll both get a shout out from the boss.
	How about that?
	Love it.
	Let's do it.
	Alright.
	Did you see the photograph of the guys with the boss at the weekend?
	I did.
	I was so excited.
	I saw Eric and Jeff.
	How did he have that ready?
	Is that like his favorite photograph?
	Is that like just waiting to pop whenever I ask for it?
	We're gonna have a photograph with Jen and the boss just like that.
	In the meantime, show her some love at Jennifer Horn on Twitter and CRNtalk.com AM 870, AM 590 the answer.
	God bless you Jen and thank you for yesterday.
	You're such a star.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Give me a follow as well on all the platforms.
	Just look for Seb Gorka or Sebastian Gorka.
	Download the Salem News Channel app and then you can watch us because we're a TV show as well.
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	Your calls next here on America First.
	Weeks ago that you should do an event there.
	It was Trump himself?
	Yeah, that's what it was.
	Remember they did that big one?
	What, what, what, what, what?
	The Matt Boyle and Alex Marlowe one.
	Oh, the Matt Boyle article.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	I'm telling you, he's just, he'll fill it up.
	People will absolutely go.
	Oh my gosh, are you kidding?
	It's gonna be people hanging on outside.
	I know.
	I know.
	Why does Cavuto have Joe Lieberman?
	Joe Lieberman looks like the Crypt Keeper.
	Why would you put him on television?
	First of all, they all look that way now, if you've noticed.
	Looked around Washington DC, but Cavuto is very liberal, holy smokes.
	He is, but seriously, you can't find a liberal who doesn't look like a skeleton?
	He looks like a skeleton!
	He looks like Skeletor!
	You're right about that.
	I do want to tell you something very funny because you can give him a hard time next time you see him.
	Yeah.
	You just reminded me about your substack with the cabinet as you put together.
	And so Stephen Moore's on our show every week and I said, Stephen, I said, you're in Dr. Gorka's suggestions for the next Trump cabinet.
	Are you in?
	And he said, as long as I don't have to go through a second conversation.
	He told me!
	He told me that!
	I told him, dude, just chill, okay?
	We're all going to be in there for 18-month acting rotations because they're not going to confirm any of us, so screw them.
	We're going to be acting secretaries, acting deputies, and then it's going to be like musical chairs and we just swap our positions.
	Seriously!
	I thought he was so funny.
	I can't do a Senate confirmation.
	He gets very serious.
	Why?
	Stephen Moore, what are you hiding?
	He said the skeletons would just crumble out of his closet.
	I was like, this is so intriguing.
	I need to know!
	At U9IE, I think we need to shake him down because we'll all be together.
	We'll get him live on the radio and then we're like, we'll drill him.
	I know.
	What the heck?
	We should give him his own hearing.
	I just need to know.
	Like, what kind of fun did you have with Atlas?
	Remember he dropped out like two years into it.
	He was nominated for something.
	Does it involve red solo cups?
	This is the question.
	I'm just very excited to figure out what the heck.
	Yeah.
	What do we think, guys?
	What has Stephen Moore done?
	Let's do this for Rumble.
	Eric, what do you think he's done?
	Oh, goodness.
	Did he once ride the subway without a token?
	Oh, I bet that's more like him.
	I think he may have jumped the barriers.
	What do we think, Alex?
	What do you think Stephen Moore did?
	I got one.
	Did he take some Splenda from a hotel and not pay for the Splenda?
	He ripped the tags off of a mattress.
	That's it.
	That's what he did.
	Felonious mattress assault.
	That's what he did.
	That tag was just ripped right off.
	Clean off.
	We will find out.
	We will find out.
	Thank you, my dear.
	Alright, you guys.
	Go get some rest.
	Have a good one.
	Oh, I gotta do Grant's show later.
	Oh my gosh.
	Real America's Voice.
	See you then.
	Have fun.
	Okay.
	Bye.
	Bye.
	What do you think he did, Alex?
	I have no idea.
	I wasn't even listening to the conversation.
	We have an engineer who doesn't listen to our show.
	Jeff, what do we do with engineers who don't listen to the show?
	Uh-oh.
	Talk louder.
	Oh gosh, he's always got some witty, witty response.
	Steve Moore guaranteed it will be the divorce, like the Democrats do.
	They take everything as if it's true that's said in the divorce hearing.
	It is.
	That's true.
	He told me that.
	He told me that.
	It was his messy divorce.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	Right.
	I'm going to do a little bit of a research on the history of the world of the US.
	Music Dr. G is ready for anything on America First.
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	So, Jeff, when did Hunter start his testimony today on Capitol Hill?
	It was like this morning, wasn't it?
	I think it was around 10 o'clock.
	Right.
	He was going in.
	So he's just finished.
	It's 4.30.
	So that's a good six hours.
	He's got a big smirk on his face, walking out of that deposition.
	I can't wait for the next 24 hours.
	I think tomorrow will be a rather interesting show, as it is always, especially because of you, our dear listeners.
	You are the most important part of the show, and especially our callers.
	Waiting patiently in Silver Spring, Victor.
	Welcome, my friend.
	Sebastian, I cannot stand Nikki Haley's voice.
	She sounds condescending to me as a white person.
	She shrills.
	Why would I want to vote for her when she reminds me of my former wife?
	And no man out there is going to vote for someone who reminds them of their ex.
	Can I give you a piece of advice, Victor, in front of three million people?
	Please don't take it personally.
	Can I give you some advice?
	Yeah.
	How long have you been listening to the show?
	Since you came on in 2019.
	Right.
	You've been listening to us as a loyal, loyal listener.
	I love it when I listen to my friend in the morning, Chris Platt, who has the show on WMAL, and you bring my name up with Chris.
	You know that we're buddies, and you're a gent.
	But take this as a piece of advice from one friend to another.
	You mention your ex-wife too much.
	It's time to move on.
	I know you've had a tough, tough year.
	I know you've had a very tough year with your girlfriend.
	But you're a patriot, Victor.
	You're a good man.
	It's time to look forward, not back.
	And even if she does remind you of your ex, just thinking of her is not going to put you in a good place.
	Will you try to have a perspective that is forward-looking and not rearward-looking?
	Victor, are you thinking?
	Are you cogitating?
	I know the line's open.
	I know you're there.
	It's how we decide to deal with the negative in life.
	You can lock it away inside of yourself and bring it back again and again and again.
	But what happens to you when you do that every time you release something corrosive?
	And that corrosion collectively over time has an effect that is hard to counter.
	That's why I recommend to you, and I keep you in my prayers, especially after you went through what you went through with your fiancée in the last few months, and God rest her soul, is to look ahead with one special perspective of all.
	You, my friend, despite everything you've suffered, everything she did to you and everything that your late fiancé did not deserve happened to her, you know that we have won.
	Because of what happened.
	On a hillside outside Jerusalem 2,000 years ago, every single individual who wants eternal bliss and eternal life has it vouched safe for them by a man who was God.
	A man who willingly, willingly took our sins upon himself.
	When he did that, he guaranteed for us eternal happiness, and eternal life, and eternal salvation.
	Because he is the truth.
	He is the way.
	He is the light.
	So Victor, chin up.
	Let's move forward.
	And as the old Latin school phrase goes, Nill illegitimate carborundum.
	And I won't translate that here, because I don't want to get in trouble with the broadcast authorities, but I think you know what I mean.
	God bless you, Victor.
	You are in my prayers, always.
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	972-PATRIOT-PATRIOT-MOBILE.COM-SLASH-GORKA 972-728-7468-PATRIOT-MOBILE.COM-SLASH-G-O-R-K-A Alright, the next guest really doesn't need any introduction because if you know about fighting for religious freedom and for the eternal truth of our Lord and Savior, then you know the name Pastor Jack Hibbs, and we're honored to have him on the show.
	Pastor Hibbs, welcome to America First!
	Seb, it's great.
	Thank you, brother.
	All right, so we have a kind of excuse to get you on the show.
	I think you've got a new book that we should mention.
	It's called Living in the Days of Deception.
	That's D-A-Z-E.
	But before we talk about that, I got two questions.
	Number one, where...
	I'm not going to use rude language.
	What happened to our church?
	What happened to Christianity?
	I'm a cradle Catholic, and when I'm in the most conservative Catholic diocese in America, right, this is Arlington, Northern Virginia, and when these churches still have masks on, you know, two years into COVID, I'm going, what on What on God's green earth are you doing?
	So, whether it's the Catholics, the Macro Staffers, whether it's the Evangelicals, the Lutherans, the Protestants, where are the leaders, Pastor Hibbs?
	Why is everybody so afraid?
	Listen, Zeb, lack of Bible knowledge.
	The Bible has been available and powerful for thousands of years.
	It's done great.
	And then, lo and behold, we've come along in really much of a woke culture, which you cover all the time.
	And it's crept into the pulpits.
	There are pastors and churches and denominations.
	that are more excited about how many Facebook friends they have or whatever it might be
	than in teaching the pure words of Jesus himself and fear.
	That's all I can tell you, brother, fear.
	All right, the website, go back to the other chyron so I can read it off the screen, jackhibbs.com.
	JackHibbs.com.
	And follow this gentleman at Real Jack Hibbs, Senior and Founding Pastor at Calvary.
	Not Cavalry, guys.
	Calvary.
	It's different.
	Chapel in Chino Hills.
	I have to share with you, before we talk about your book, this... I thought this was a stitch-up job.
	I thought this was like an SNL skit that was masked to look like MSNBC.
	I'm sure you've seen it, but I don't know whether this is just propaganda or whether this journalist, and I think it's the latter, is just so stinkingly ignorant.
	This is Heidi Prisbilla of Politico, of course, who goes on a rant about Christian nationalists and then the idea of where our rights come from.
	And I just, if you've seen it, I just want to share it with our three and a half million listeners because I think it explains a lot.
	Play cut.
	Many different groups orbiting Trump, but the thing that unites them as Christian nationalists, not Christians by the way, because Christian nationalists is very different, is that they believe that our rights as Americans, as all human beings, don't come from any earthly authority.
	They don't come from Congress, they don't come from the Supreme Court, they come from God.
	This woman is actually saying on national television that Christians are wrong and that our rights come from government, Pastor Hibbs.
	Has she not had the most basic 5th grade civics course?
	Has she not walked around the Washington Mall and read some of those incredible, God-honoring statements?
	Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, the Mayflower Compact, the first sentence!
	Acknowledges Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
	We need to play that clip over and over again, because it exposes the reality that those that have got the microphone are ignorant about American history, and they're ignorant about the key role of Christianity in this country.
	And you know what?
	She needs to just keep saying that, because she gives us thought.
	All right.
	Can we hold you over for one more segment?
	Yeah, sure.
	Alright, in the meantime, let's talk a little bit about your book.
	Let's put it up on the screen.
	It is Living in the Days of Deception, D-A-Z-E.
	Tell us what this book is about and what are the days of deception, Pastor Hibbs.
	Yeah, it actually came out of the COVID era.
	We kept our church open.
	We preached to tens of thousands of people every weekend, baptized over 3,000 people.
	And what happened?
	I realized, wow, these questions that people are asking, the fear that they're in, We're like in a daze.
	It's like somebody's hit us upside the head with a 2x4, and so I just began to take those sermon notes and make this book out of it, and it's been received extremely well.
	It's going crazy, but it deals with the issue of what's going on in church, what's going on in politics, what's going on in our culture, and just taking on that fuzz.
	Everybody feels this kind of a stunned, They don't know what to do next, where to put their foot down next.
	And we take it head on.
	And listen, Zeb, God's blessed it.
	It's become a bestseller in a matter of a couple of weeks.
	We're pretty shocked by its success.
	Alright, well I want to get a copy of it and I want to have you on for a whole hour.
	The third hour of the show is the deep dive long form radio that I love and our listeners do as well.
	So we'll book that.
	We'll make that happen.
	I want to keep you on for one more segment because I've got one question that I think is the only question that matters right now for Christians and I want to hear Pastor Jack Hibbs' answer.
	Follow him jackhibbs.com.
	Follow him on Twitter, it's at Real Jack Hibbs, and the book, get it right now, it is a bestseller already in just a couple of weeks, is Living in the Days of Deception, but he's a little different.
	It's D-A-Z-E.
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	I promise you they will.
	Good, good, good.
	When did it come out?
	It came out on February 6th to the bookstores.
	Pre-order was about a month before that.
	And yeah, we had some pretty big numbers in the pre-order, which got us very excited and Yeah, it's done super well.
	I'm happy.
	Who's the publisher?
	Harvest House Publishing and Eugene, Oregon.
	Harvest House Publishing.
	Interesting.
	Oh, Jeff, can you ask... I forgot to do this.
	We've got to post that cut from MSNBC.
	Can you send that to Cassio?
	Yeah.
	Here's the text.
	Yep.
	If you ever wondered how moronic the left is, Just listen to at Heidi Prisble of at Politico, who actually believes her rights and your rights come from the government.
	Oh, and did we discuss this, Jeff, to reach out to Schweitzer?
	Yeah.
	Okay, good.
	All right.
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	We're with the author of a brand new book.
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	It is Living in the Days of Deception.
	The one and only Pastor Jack Hibbs.
	Pastor Hibbs, I have one question and I have two minutes left in this hour.
	And as I think you can tell in front of everybody listening, I don't tell guests what I'm going to ask them in advance.
	I don't even tell President Trump when he comes on the show.
	So, you know, sorry if this catches you unawares.
	I have an argument for my fellow Christians.
	If they think they can be Christians and not involved in politics, they're not Christians.
	Would you agree?
	The only way that they could be out of that loop is if they're completely ignorant.
	I couldn't agree with you more.
	Jesus was involved in politics.
	King David was involved in politics.
	Solomon.
	Moses was the lawgiver.
	Moses gave the law.
	That's politics.
	Politics is literally the operation of government.
	God invented government.
	God gave it.
	And the art of it is politics.
	For a Christian to sit it out, ...is to not honor all the blood-bought sacrifice that people gave us to vote.
	We've got to run for office.
	And that doesn't mean we're asking, listen, the Messiah is not going to arrive on Air Force One.
	The answer is in God's house.
	Look back at American history.
	Our founding fathers understood exactly well that all of our powers come from God.
	It was Ben Franklin who said, how can an empire rise without his protection?
	So the bottom line is this.
	If a Christian understands the Bible, then they have to get involved from school board all the way up.
	They must be involved.
	It's called faith.
	Faith is a verb.
	It's an action.
	And Jesus put it this way, that let your light so shine before men that everybody will see your Father's works in heaven.
	Eric, I think we have the title for this segment, Faith is a Verb.
	Yes, indeed.
	I've got to ask you a question offline.
	Stay on the line, Pastor Jack Hibbs.
	God bless you for fighting, not just for your congregation, but also for the principles of our faith.
	Truly a hero in our time.
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	Putin and all his staff, everybody around him, his government, his friends, I want them to know that they will be punished for what they have done with our country, with my family and with my husband.
	They will be brought to justice and this day will come soon.
	Julia Navalny talking at the Werkunde as was, the Munich security conference right after her husband died of What the KGB or the SVR and the FSB called sudden death syndrome, literally just a day or two after he was seen healthy in a video deposition for a Russian court.
	Why did he die?
	Who is Vladimir Putin?
	What's the truth about the Tucker interview?
	And what's happening in the Middle East with October the 7th?
	The consequences and the actual people behind the violence, the mullahs in Iran.
	I'm really delighted to have him in the studio.
	He's tough.
	He's harder to get on the show than President Trump.
	He's a busy man.
	He should be!
	He's the Senior Vice President for the American Foreign Policy Council, a good friend of mine personally.
	Ilhan Berman!
	Welcome back in studio!
	How great to be back!
	You're the guy who was like banned from Russia by Putin, right?
	Me and 950 of my friends, but yeah.
	I'm really jealous.
	I have to work harder.
	It's a life goal.
	Yeah, I hope you have that, like, framed somewhere.
	Ilan Berman banned by a Putin KGB regime.
	That's superb.
	Okay, so much to discuss with you.
	I've been waiting to get you on the show for a while.
	You said something before we went on air.
	About Navalny.
	And I'd like to jump straight in.
	We'll talk about what happened during the interview, who it was really for.
	Was Putin talking to domestic audiences, international audiences?
	But you said something about the timing of Navalny's death and what Putin was doing by having him killed.
	What was the motivation?
	Who was he hurting, given the timing of what happened?
	Well, look, I mean, right, so you're talking about two huge events, right?
	The Tucker Carlson interview with Putin, which I would say did not go swimmingly from the perspective of Tucker Carlson himself, went very well from the perspective of Vladimir Putin, from the perspective of his Kremlin handlers, and then the death of unnatural causes of Alexei Navalny, which happened Almost, not simultaneously, but certainly sequentially.
	And it's really interesting, because if you look at the chronology, the interview airs, there are subsequent clips of which, in which Tucker is fawning over, you know, groceries, despite the fact that groceries of the type... Right, so stuff that's outside of the interview, where he's going around Russia saying, this is a great cheeseburger, and the grocery stores are superb.
	Right.
	And, you know, without any context, as in, you know, the $70 of groceries that he picked up is, you know, a month's salary for an ordinary Russian, right?
	There's no comparative analysis here.
	It's just what's great.
	By the way, the thing that blew me away the most was when he was extolling the virtues of the Moscow Metro and how beautiful it is.
	And by the way, if you've been there, I've been there, it's really beautiful.
	You know what else is beautiful?
	The Kiev Metro.
	Because the same Soviet planners built both.
	But it wasn't just the metro.
	I mean, this is the weird thing.
	Tucker goes to something called the Global Governance Summit, which sounds a little bit WEFE for me.
	And he talks about, well, Moscow's really clean and there's no crime.
	I'm sure, you know, Munich and Berlin in 1938 were pretty crime-free.
	What's the point of that comment?
	I think the point of that comment is, I mean, it's sort of, it's signaling.
	But it's also, I mean, look, if you're Tucker Carlson and you're sort of your own boss and you have the ability to take a look back at this interview and say, you know what, this didn't really go well for me.
	I didn't ask the hardball questions.
	It was sort of a softball interview.
	I got ridiculed by the Russian president, right, 47, 48 minutes in.
	He's talking about, you know, how Tucker didn't, couldn't make it in the CIA.
	He was rejected from the job.
	All in all, not a stellar interview.
	Not something you should be proud of.
	And the weird thing is, after the interview, Tucker posted a video saying, in the car leaving, I don't know what that interview was like.
	It'll probably take me a year to digest that interview.
	Which is weird, isn't it?
	Which is weird, because you know what it's like.
	I was there.
	I mean, I'm Tucker.
	I was there.
	So share with all of our listeners what you said about How killing Navalny was really to make Tucker look bad, right?
	Well, no, but certainly the timing, I mean, look, the Kremlin planners are strategic thinkers, they don't do anything by accident.
	What you have is less than 24 hours after Tucker releases, not the interview, but all those other fawning clips about the grocery store and the supermarket, you have a transparently non-accidental death of Vladimir Putin's Let's talk about him for a second.
	political critic.
	And by the way, not the only one.
	There's tons of other notable Russian opposition figures that are in jail.
	And you know, for debt.
	For debt.
	For indefinite terms, even.
	Right?
	But Navalny was the guy that mattered.
	Let's talk about him for a second.
	So let's leave the interview to the side for a moment.
	Because most Americans have no idea who Alexei Navalny is.
	If you see comments, especially from conservatives, you'll see, oh, he's a Nazi, he's a bad guy.
	Who is this person and why did Putin have to put him in prison?
	In a Siberian penal colony above the Arctic Circle, by the way.
	Right.
	No, that's exactly right.
	So Navalny was, in Russian parlance, sort of the first truly viral opposition figure.
	And he did this because he had an anti-corruption foundation, and it was an anti-corruption foundation which did a bunch of YouTube exposés, did a bunch of research reports, tilting first, not at the top echelons of the Kremlin, but before that, sort of at the bottom layers.
	But the corruption, you know, sort of the apple is rotten to the core, and so he... The fish rots from the head.
	Yeah, the fish were out of my head.
	So inevitably he got to the unaccountability, the venality of the Putin regime.
	But he also did so in really innovative ways.
	He campaigned unsuccessfully, because he was barred from it, to be mayor of Moscow back in the day.
	He, in the last rigged Russian presidential selection, not an election really, Yeah.
	He instituted something that almost threw a wrench in the Kremlin's plans because he instituted this and popularized this smart voting system where the people would sort of come out in a flash mob and vote and sort of skew results so that the outcome was that Putin's United Russia Party, because Vladimir Putin is president of this sort of pro-Kremlin rubber-stamp faction, did less well, at least in municipal and in regional elections, than they should have done.
	Based upon what the Kremlin was planning.
	So, he's been a gadfly for a long time.
	But is he this extremist, xenophobic nationalist that some have said he is?
	So he has some nationalist tendencies, and this is what I think is really necessary for people to understand about Russia.
	There are many Russians that still remember Russia as an empire, that still remember Russia as a great state, but they don't subscribe to Putin's interpretation of the subordination of the Russian people, of this sort of vertically integrated government that is super repressive.
	This doesn't mean that Alexei Navalny didn't believe the fact that Russia was a great power.
	He absolutely did.
	Many other Russians do as well.
	But this interpretation, this sort of, you know, distorted funhouse mirror thing that
	Putin has built, he didn't sign up for that.
	So is it, I don't want to oversimplify, but it's a Russia as great, but without the kleptocracy
	and the corruption of former KGB colonels?
	A Russia that's great and strong, but freer and more transparent and more accountable.
	One thing I want to share that I did in the article I wrote the day before yesterday, so a very good friend of the show who's on quite regularly, he had a Russian wife.
	The Russian wife told him something fascinating.
	She said, I'm really angry at Putin for one reason.
	Because he has all the power.
	And if he were a patriot, because people, you know, we have conservatives saying, well, he's a patriot, he's doing it because he loves Russia.
	This Russian woman said, if he loved Russia, he could get rid of the corruption because he's so powerful.
	And he hasn't.
	That's the metric for her, for a Russian.
	That's exactly right.
	And what the ancillary sort of the follow-on policy that he's instituted, because he hasn't gotten rid of the corruption, instead he sort of spread the wealth around to his coterie of advisors and sycophants, is that he's obscured objective truth.
	So a lot of what Russia does is disinformation, it's propaganda.
	We see it here.
	But remember, all politics is local.
	So the target audience Of Russia's attempts to diminish democracy, Russia's attempts to inject doubt, confidence in transparent, democratic, federalist institutions.
	It's all about the local.
	It's all Vladimir Putin saying to his own people, hey listen, I know it's bad here, but look at that chaos over there.
	You don't want that.
	Stability is good.
	Look at that transgenderism in America.
	I mean, they know which things to pull.
	Absolutely.
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	The average person cares as much about abstractions as about the concrete reality of his life.
	And if you can't use your subway, for example, as many people are afraid to in New York City because it's too dangerous, you have to sort of wonder, like, isn't that the ultimate measure of leadership?
	And that's true.
	By the way, it's radicalizing for an American to go to Moscow.
	I didn't know that.
	I've learned it this week.
	To Singapore, to Tokyo, to Dubai and Abu Dhabi.
	Because these cities, no matter how we're told they're run and on what principles they're run, are wonderful places to live that don't have rampant inflation where you're not going to get raped.
	The ultimate measure of leadership is a subway that functions.
	I think not having penal colonies above the Arctic Circle is probably a better metric, and not putting people in prison for political purposes.
	I would ask the January 6th defendants, I would ask the widow and the mother of Alexei Navalny, Tucker, if clean and crime-free subways is the ultimate measure of leadership.
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	For me, I just wrote this long exegesis on the whole interview, Tucker, Putin, and how it relates to President Trump, especially after that seminal Truth Social post on Monday night, where he said, I can relate to Navalny.
	This is political persecution by the state.
	I think the most interesting part, to understand who was interviewing who at that With the backing of CIA, of course.
	The organization you wanted to join back in the day, as I understand.
	We should thank God they didn't let you in.
	Although, it is a serious organization.
	the president of Russia brought up something about Tucker's past.
	With the backing of CIA, of course.
	The organization you wanted to join back in the day, as I understand.
	We should thank God they didn't let you in.
	Although it is a serious organization, I understand.
	Now I'm not going to denigrate Tucker Carlson's professionalism, but if I were interviewing
	a former KGB colonel who happens to be the head of a nuclear power,
	I know he would have read what we called in the British Army my P-file, my personnel file.
	And I knew that he could throw in, well, Gorka, I know you worked for British military intelligence, or I know that you've got a British passport and that you were born to Hungarians who escaped, you know, communism.
	I'd be prepped.
	I wouldn't sit there like Tucker did, because Tucker did apply to the CIA.
	For some reason, he wasn't hired.
	And he sits there like dumbfounded.
	Surely...
	He must have expected a former KGB colonel to have read his file, Tucker's file.
	I'm a little bit bemused, Ilan.
	No, no, I think that's right.
	And it's that underestimation, or as President Bush in his day used to say, the misunderestimation of these foreign leaders, right?
	Just because they are brutal, just because they are corrupt, doesn't mean that they're not competent.
	And it doesn't mean that they don't do their homework.
	So the idea that you could go to Moscow and emphasize the positive and highlight all of the things that are going right in Russia.
	Because let's remember, there are certain things that are going right in Russia.
	The trains do run on time.
	Is that the cost you want to pay for the rampant repression and the corruption and sort of, you know, the unfree political atmosphere?
	I tend to agree with you.
	I don't think it is.
	But there are things that are happening in Russia that are going right.
	But if you emphasize those and you don't highlight the other things, you're liable to get caught on the back foot, the way Tucker did.
	And especially when, before the interview aired, or before Tucker posted it, he gave us this three minute video from Red Square, or he was outside somewhere in Moscow, saying, this is about freedom of speech.
	My interviewing Putin is about freedom of speech.
	Okay, whose freedom of speech?
	Yours as an American who gets to broadcast it back home as a free man when you leave Sheremetyevo?
	Or what about free speech in Russia?
	Because he raised one American journalist's imprisonment.
	He didn't talk about Anna Politkovskaya.
	He didn't talk about Boris Nemtsov.
	He didn't talk about the SVR agent who was killed with polonium-210.
	He didn't talk about Alexei Navalny who was still alive.
	So if it were about freedom of speech, weren't there certain names he should have mentioned?
	Of course, undoubtedly.
	And not just Navalny, right?
	There are people like Ilya Yashin, people like Vladimir Karamurza, right?
	People who those in the sort of the Russian policy sphere, they know, they are true patriots, they are true activists, and they've been imprisoned in some cases for decades, right?
	With sentences spanning decades for the temerity to speak out.
	Right.
	And one of the interesting things is, and you see this, it's not just a Russian conceit, it's a Russian and Chinese and Iranian, is that authoritarian regimes want to reach out and touch their citizens, even if they belong somewhere else.
	So just a couple... Explain that.
	Just a couple of days ago, there was a Russian-American ballerina that had raised a piddling amount, right?
	You know, $48, $52, whatever it was, in support of the Ukrainian side.
	As a Russian-American?
	As a Russian-American.
	And all of a sudden, the American part of her nationality was nullified and she was arrested by... Well, nullified by Russia.
	Yeah, no, no, not nullified by us.
	And the question really is, you know, what's the Biden administration going to do about it?
	Is it going to go to bat for her?
	What happened to this ballerina?
	And she got in prison.
	She got taken into custody by the Moscow police.
	So who was he talking to?
	Domestic audience?
	Russians abroad?
	And then if he's talking to foreign audiences who aren't Russian, what message was he trying to send?
	So again, it's all that.
	You start with the politics is local, let us show you... But to other governments, what was he saying?
	No, no, correct.
	So what you've seen actually is a one-two punch and it has everything to do with two things.
	It has to do with Ukraine and the chaos that we see unfortunately on Capitol Hill with regard to funding for Ukraine.
	We should talk about that later.
	Absolutely.
	And the second is the fact that Russia has elections coming up.
	In just three weeks or so, Russians will go to the polls in a contest where the outcome has already been determined.
	It's been determined because everybody knows Vladimir Putin is going to win.
	It's also been determined because, just for good measure, if there is a comparatively liberal political candidate, the Federal Election Commission has disqualified him, which they did about a week, week and a half ago.
	So hang on a second.
	But that's insane.
	I mean, it would be like removing a candidate from a primary ballot here in America.
	I mean, that's insane.
	where Putin, sitting in the Kremlin, feels the world going his way.
	The difference, right, and it bears noting, the difference is we have recourse.
	Yes!
	And we have the ability to object, to complain, to escalate the complaint, and to get justice.
	And there is a Supreme Court that, at least for the time being, isn't just rubber stamping the administration.
	We talked to Ilan Berman for AFPC.org, the author of Challenging Moscow's Message.
	Give him a follow on social media, at Ilan Berman.
	Don't forget to follow us as well.
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	One last thing and then we'll move on to another geopolitical topic.
	There's a great guy, my son turned me on to him, Ryan Macbeth, 22, 23 years in the military.
	He's got a superb YouTube channel, Ryan Macbeth Programming, which is focused on destroying disinformation, whether it's domestic or international.
	Here is Ryan's very short take on buying groceries in Moscow.
	Internet gadfly DC Drano, also known as Rogan O'Hanley, is lying about Tucker Carlson's visit to a Russian grocery store.
	Well, he's either lying or he can't do math.
	Both of those possibilities are equally bad.
	So here's the basics.
	Right now, internet entertainer Tucker Carlson is in Russia and he went to a grocery store to get groceries for his crew.
	A week's worth of groceries cost 9,400 rubles, roughly $103.
	And Rogan insinuates that since groceries only cost $100 to the whole crew, Bidenflation has destroyed the quality of life in America.
	Now, I'm not a big fan of politics, but I am a big fan of math.
	The average salary in Russia is about 73,000 rubles a month, according to the Federal State Statistics Service, which is this organization right here.
	If this is the grocery bill and this is the average salary, then the percentage is 13%.
	So a week's worth of groceries in Russia is 13% of your salary.
	In America, that would be $800 a week.
	So listen, buddy, I know you don't like the president.
	I don't care about that.
	But I do care about people who spread misinformation.
	And if you do that, I will catch you using math and science.
	Math, it's merciless.
	Follow here, Brian McBeth programming.
	Before we move on to another geographic region, we mentioned what's going on on Capitol Hill.
	Isn't it depressing?
	Oh, absolutely.
	I mean, this has nothing to do with mature national security debate or strategy, is it?
	No, it has a lot to do with, again, the domestic audience and posturing.
	The problem is that the downstream consequences, as we say, are potentially catastrophic.
	Because I think, you know, it's penny wise and pound foolish.
	What you're doing is you're saving a little bit of money, right, in the grand scheme of things.
	It's a lot of money, but in the grand scheme of things, a little bit of money.
	But what you're doing is you're poking the bear.
	You're essentially telling the Russians that American support isn't transformative and it's limited, time limited.
	And therefore, if you're Putin, you feel the world going your way, right?
	Kind of like you saw in the Tucker Carlson interview, where he knows that if he just waits, that the West will lose interest, America will lose interest, and that he can push.
	He can push further, beyond Ukraine.
	That's why in places like Finland, in places like Norway, what you're seeing is massive surges of civic defense classes.
	Oh, so volunteerism?
	Absolutely.
	It's exploding in those countries.
	Because they know something that we don't, right?
	They're not separated from Russia by a large ocean.
	And so they know that if Ukraine falls, or if Ukraine is subjugated in some way, Russia won't stop.
	Russia will continue.
	So they're becoming prepared.
	And that should tell you everything you need to know about the stakes that we're talking about.
	We're not just talking about Ukraine.
	We're talking about the European order.
	But if we think that, this is shocking, the second anniversary of the Ukraine war is this weekend, it should have been easier for Russia, shouldn't it?
	They haven't performed as they expected.
	Oh no, 100%.
	The Russians are doing better now, but the Russians are doing better now because they're adapting and they've sort of adapted tactics and adapted, you know, sort of to positional warfare.
	But the real secret sauce, the reason the Russians are doing better is we're not doing as much.
	And the worst possible thing, right, in a bipartisan way, the worst possible thing that Vladimir Putin can learn, that the Ayatollah in Iran can learn, that Xi Jinping can learn in Beijing is, oh, America spent all this money and it wasn't transformative.
	They didn't really change the rules of the game.
	We can still do it.
	We just have to wait a little longer.
	That's a lesson that neither a Republican nor a Democrat should be sending.
	They're learning that proxies are useful.
	What I hear about who Russia is deploying into the region, who they're letting out of penal colonies and recruiting.
	I can't divulge the source.
	A friend of mine, our friends who were left behind in Afghanistan, Thousands of them have been corralled in another country, close to Afghanistan, because we didn't get out of there.
	And if we don't help get them safe passage to a neutral country, they are about to be press ganged.
	Into fighting for the Russians in Ukraine.
	That's how drastic the situation is.
	The book, get it right now from our friend Ilan Berman, is challenging Moscow's message, Russian disinformation and the Western response.
	All right, you are truly... What is it?
	Bill O'Reilly, when I was in the White House, called me a national security utility infielder.
	No idea what that means.
	I played rugby and cricket.
	But I think it applies to our guest, Ilan Berman, because there is no national security topic he can't wax lyrical on.
	So let's switch terrains.
	Let's switch topography.
	October 7th.
	I'm worried.
	That, well, apart from what Biden is doing, you know, forcing a ceasefire on a situation that has not been resolved, I'm kind of worried that this is the war that we're forgetting.
	What should we know about Israel's success and how far there is left to be done?
	And really, can it be solved whilst not dealing directly with Iran?
	Right.
	So there's two things here, right?
	What's happening in Israel and how they're reconceiving their security.
	And then the big show, which is Iran.
	It's not the Iranian proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas.
	It's Iran.
	So on the first point, what I think is necessary to understand is that October 7th was a multi-domain failure.
	And what I mean by this is that the Israelis, even though they sort of, and you've had many of these conversations and I have as well, they will tell you, no, no, no, we have it.
	We've sort of taken care of everything.
	We understand everything.
	But even they fell into this two-fold trap.
	The first is that they thought they had total domain awareness.
	They thought because of high-tech, because of the robustness of their intelligence service, they knew everything that was going on.
	With the Palestinians, also with Iran, also with all these radical actors that were sort of swirling around the state's borders.
	The second was, just like we did with China, the Israelis over time became convinced that you can trade your way You can give financial aid, and over time, the Palestinians will give up their core demands.
	As Jonathan Schanzer said to me, shockingly, because he heard this from senior IDF guys, just like we did in America under Obama, they came to convince themselves that these actors were political actors and not religious or ideological ones.
	Exactly right.
	And so now, so you had that, right?
	That, as the Russians say, they call it the concept, the strategic concept.
	So that was the old concept.
	That was the old strategic concept that they had.
	And they've realized that it's bankrupt.
	And now they're scrambling to build a new one.
	And the new one has everything to do with preemptive defense, right, a forward military
	It has to do with urban warfare.
	If you remember, in the years preceding October 7th, the Israelis really weren't doing proactive defense.
	Anytime there would be a terrorist attack, Israel would retaliate.
	It was reactive.
	Yeah, it was reactive.
	It was time-limited.
	They were husbanding their resources.
	That's not where they are right now.
	They're going to have to have a military presence in Gaza in perpetuity.
	100%.
	And by the way, they're going to have to open a northern front against Hezbollah in Lebanon.
	Because under this new strategic concept, the idea that Iran's chief terrorist proxies is on your northern border, that it can hold a third of your country hostage, that it has an arsenal of 150,000 precision-guided rockets that can put half of your country at risk, is simply untenable.
	And so, you know, the Israelis, as they'll say, it would be a disaster if it happened now.
	But a northern front is inevitable.
	Do we have any clarity on why October 7th happened?
	Is it because of the kind of constitutional malaise?
	At one point the Israeli Air Force had 400 fighter pilots on strike.
	Was it just political reasons as well?
	Well, so it was I think a combination of everything.
	It was the sort of the hubris that you sort of knew exactly what was happening and so you really didn't have to worry so much about the day-to-day.
	Even though there were, as is coming out, there were warnings from concerned citizens, from military outposts that were seeing troubling signs that something was brewing, something big.
	And they were disregarded.
	The second is that Israel was headed very rapidly into an enormously divisive, sort of proto-civil war.
	Politically.
	Not physically, but certainly politically, as divided as I've ever seen it.
	Over the Supreme Court issues.
	Well, but not only, right?
	Over the religious-secular divide, over sort of a whole host of things, the balance in the country, sort of in terms of identification, in terms of, you know, the religious community as a proportion of the whole, right?
	It's all different.
	It's all different now.
	And what you have is you have a country that over the preceding, I mean they had problems, but over the preceding years, you know, almost a decade, they didn't have any insurmountable security problems.
	And so what happens is when you become increasingly secure at home, you start to eat yourself.
	And that's exactly what's happening politically in Israel, which is why it's so notable that on October 8th and every day thereafter, the amount of unity that you have in Israel is really breathtaking.
	What you have is you have religious people and secular people fighting side by side.
	Everybody understands that this is an existential issue.
	This is that eliminating Hamas.
	is really not a dispensable idea, despite what Secretary Blinken may say when he comes,
	right, he's been there like seven times.
	They really understand that this is an existential fight and they're unified.
	And by the way, the reason it's so jarring for Israelis to hear the Biden administration talk
	about Palestinian statehood and about the idea that there might be a unilateral declaration
	of recognition of a Palestinian state by the United States is because it's almost like the horrific events
	of October 7th, where families were killed, butchered, burned alive.
	It's been memory hold.
	And now you're rewarding precisely the people that carried out those atrocities by giving them something they haven't earned.
	Does Netanyahu survive if they win the war?
	I think it's a good question.
	Certainly, you know, he's a political survivor.
	And I think, you know, the presumption was that his government would fall, right?
	If you look at historical examples, in 1973, Golda Meir miscued on the mobilization of the Egyptian military, the mobilization of the Syrian military.
	The Yom Kippur War ensued in 1973.
	The country rallied, it came together, it won the war, and then her government fell because of a commission of inquiry.
	So the assumption was that this is the same thing that's going to happen right now.
	I don't know if that's the case.
	And I don't know if that's the case because this is turning into a protracted conflict.
	This is not six days.
	This is, you know, we're four months in.
	There's no signs of abating.
	And if there's a northern front, it could go on for a lot longer than that.
	And I think they need a steady, steady hand at the tiller.
	The book from our special one-on-one guest, Get It Right Now, is challenging Moscow's message, Russian disinformation and the Western response.
	So as I noted previously, the president has posted this that I think some may have been shocked by.
	I'm very glad on his true social account.
	The sudden death of Alexei Navalny has made me more and more aware of what is happening in our country.
	You've got two minutes left.
	Can you address, you've got, talked about three and a half million people listening to you, and some of them say that the likes of Putin are patriots, they're anti-globalists.
	When President Trump gets it, That what is happening here is a lighter version, a pale version of what's happening in Russia.
	We need to understand what this regime is as conservatives.
	And I make this joke, but it's deadly serious.
	I remember the good old days when no conservative was on the side of a KGB colonel.
	What's going on?
	What's your message?
	So there's a couple things, and candidly, myself, I would have liked President Trump to qualify that a little bit, because there is a fundamental difference, right?
	What you're looking at is there's no light at the end of the Russian tunnel, right?
	Putin is the state, the state is him, and there's no future for Russia beyond him, or at least he doesn't want there to be.
	Here, it's completely different.
	Here, there's recourse, there's institutions, there's resilient institutions.
	Although, when you're the leader of the opposition, facing 730 years in prison, we're not far off.
	Right?
	We're not far off.
	When you have no victims in New York, and you're forced to pay $300.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	It's a shade.
	It's a shade.
	Yeah, it's a shade.
	It's a shade.
	It's not an analog, which is why I really wish that he would qualify.
	But what it does is it leads certain people, certain groups of people, to want a strong
	leader, a strong leader to right the ship.
	And missing in that interpretation is the understanding that Vladimir Putin is a strong
	leader.
	He has righted the ship, but at enormous cost.
	Well, it's about him.
	It's about him.
	At enormous cost is for the freedom of Russians themselves, freedom of speech, all the things
	that we take for granted, all the things that we would object to if they were taken away
	from us.
	The Russians have taken it away as a hallmark of Putin-imposed stability.
	It's what I say, I was at a dinner once with some patriots, good people, who said, if we win, if he wins, then we're gonna do it to them!
	And I thought, No, because then I'm not living in America anymore.
	You can have justice against those who committed crimes, if it is proven, and they are found guilty in a court of law, but revenge, just for the sake of revenge, that's not American.
	So let's understand, strong leaders, Absolutely.
	But leaders informed by the values upon which our nation, our republic, was founded, that's the American way.
	All right, as ever, passed far too quickly.
	That's why it's so much fun to have your bright friends on your show.
	If you want more, the website is ilanburman.com and the American Foreign Policy Council is afpc.org.
	And the latest book is Challenging Moscow's message.
	Russian disinformation and the Western response.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	You've been listening to America First 101.

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