Knowledge Fight Interactive Search Tool

All Episodes

Previous Next

Feb. 21, 2024 - Sebastian Gorka

02:31:23

Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Dissecting President Trump's Fox town hall

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Time	Text
	A bit of inside baseball.
	Back in DC, there's a little bit of a division inside Team America First.
	Let me ask the executive producer.
	Jeff, you said something last week that I'm allowed to criticize conservatives, including, you know, big names like Tucker, as long as I don't do it for a whole week.
	Well, he went on Glenn Beck's show, is it?
	Yesterday?
	And he got a little bit hot under the collar.
	Am I allowed to comment on that?
	What is the executive producer's take?
	Because I know what Eric's going to say.
	Well, I think we've had developments in it.
	Right.
	Because it's continued.
	Like what?
	Well, it's continued.
	Before it was just about the interview.
	But now he's kind of keeping it going.
	Yeah, he's keeping it going.
	This isn't, you know, Sebastian here.
	Are you a fan of Glenn Beck's?
	Uh, no.
	No, too much fake crying for me.
	Oh, what about the Cheeto dust?
	Oh, that was great.
	What was the point of that when he did that?
	That was when, you know, adult, mature men don't do the face in the bowl of Cheeto dust.
	Anyway, for some reason, Tucker Carlson went on Glenn's show and a couple of cuts that I have to comment on because I have, what is it, Eric?
	3,000 word?
	How long was my essay that you posted for me on Substack?
	It was long, right?
	That had to be one of your longest Substack pieces yet.
	I'm getting some really interesting comments and reactions and the most subscriptions to my sub stack after an article happened in the last 24 hours so something I've touched a nerve somewhere and I think in a good way so here's Tucker Carlson yesterday talking about whether or not he's pro-Putin.
	Let's dissect it because it's important for the conservative movement in an election year what we think of Russia and Putin's Russia.
	Russia.
	Cut seven.
	He was very effective if his goal was to win an audience to his perspective.
	It didn't make me more pro-Putin.
	No.
	Not that I was.
	And by the way, I should just say at the outset, I've been accused of being pro-Putin and I'm not.
	But if I was, that's OK, too.
	Right.
	I'm an adult man and an American citizen.
	I can like or dislike anyone I want.
	I can have any opinion I want.
	I'm not ashamed of it.
	The first half of that sentence is fine.
	Yeah, we are free in this country.
	Journalists in Russia who criticize the president end up dead on their doorstep, like Anna Politkovskaya, who was shot in the chest twice and once in the head because she wrote about President Putin in ways that were not pro-Putin.
	So you have those freedoms here, Tucker.
	But to say it's all right?
	Well, as a conservative, it may not be all right if you believe in freedom of the press and you believe that nuclear nations shouldn't invade their neighbors.
	But then it gets even more interesting.
	Alexei Navalny died right after Tucker interviewed him.
	Fascinating timing.
	And it happened during the Munich Conference of Western States.
	And for some reason, Tucker thinks that's proof that Putin didn't do it.
	Listen to the twisted logic.
	Cut it.
	I know this.
	Him dying during the Munich security conference in the middle of the debate on Ukraine funding.
	Both of which they're highly aware of doesn't help Russia.
	Yeah.
	So the people say, oh, Putin just had him murdered last week because they're idiots.
	They don't actually know anything.
	They don't know anything.
	These are the same people who told us that Ukraine was going to win.
	Really?
	Russia's 100 million more people and far deeper industrial capacity.
	Like that's insane.
	No person outside the United States thought that for a second that Ukraine could win.
	Well, that's exactly what KGB colonels do.
	They show you their power.
	They kill the number one dissident.
	When the West is having a conference about how they're going to deal with geopolitics, he's sending a very clear message.
	We can reach out and we can do whatever we want.
	When it comes to not knowing anything about Russia, well, I wouldn't go to Moscow and say it's really interesting to buy groceries there.
	This is a micro-fest.
	you you
	you America First.
	MAGA-nificent.
	I hate broadcasting remotely.
	It's just a headache.
	I'm glad I'm not the engineer who has to set it up.
	But you know what's really nice?
	Because when you're at a place like this, which is just a conference center full of conservatives and Christians, you don't have to do a lot of work.
	You can just say, hey, do I have any colleagues here?
	Let's get them on the show.
	And that's what I'm going to do.
	I'm just going to cheat today.
	I'm going to have the man who's going to be with us on our cruise to Alaska.
	So excited.
	More than 40 couples booked last week.
	Not alone.
	Why?
	Because it's, you know, it's the place to be.
	July 4th weekend, on a beautiful cruise ship in the most beautiful state of the Union, with Chris de Gaulle, with our morning maven Mike Gallagher, our West Coast warrior Princess Jennifer Horne, me, and maybe some Surprise America First guests, book your cabin today.
	SebGorka.com, that's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A, SebGorka.com and the Patriots Alaska Cruise.
	And one of the people coming with us, my cigar buddy, the one, the only, Chris de Gaulle.
	How you doing, Sam?
	Better than you, because what time will you be broadcasting tomorrow morning?
	Well, this Central Time Zone business is a killer.
	5 a.m.
	I get to start.
	So you can come down with the cleaning crew and say hello.
	No, I'll be on my way back to D.C.
	leaving at 4 a.m.
	You're a man of demand.
	Well, you know, what is this?
	I never... No, you're a good Christian boy.
	Is it no rest for the weary or no rest for the wicked?
	Because I always choose the one that makes me feel better.
	We'll go with weary.
	How about weary?
	So let's talk about this.
	Were you a Boy Scout?
	Were you an Eagle Scout?
	No, I couldn't stand it.
	I was bad at knots.
	So for me, it's like, I've been to a lot of conferences in my time.
	This was taxing my Boy Scout navigation skills.
	Is this the largest conference center in the known universe?
	In fact, I talked with Marsha Blackburn this morning on my show and she said that this is the largest convention hall.
	I believe it.
	The world?
	Or North America?
	I asked Robert, the engineer, where do I go?
	He said, oh, yeah, just Delta Ballroom B. Which zip code is Delta Ballroom B?
	I know!
	I wandered around.
	It was like the Shining upstairs in the rooms, just walking the halls.
	And there's this massive atrium.
	You feel like you're outside, but you're actually inside.
	It's weird.
	Yeah.
	You ever been to the Mirage in Vegas before?
	Yes, yes.
	It's what it kind of reminds me of a little bit.
	And if you know British science fiction, it's the TARDIS.
	We are actually in the TARDIS.
	All right, Chris, so have you been on a cruise before?
	Once, and in fact, it was a long time ago when I was first married on an Alaskan cruise, by the way.
	No way!
	Yes, I have done this once before.
	All right, so you're an old hand.
	I am, and I can tell you this.
	I think you know this.
	We just made arrangements for a cigar deck party on the ninth deck.
	Every night.
	We'll be outside enjoying cigars.
	I can't wait.
	Guys, go SebGorka.com, SebGorka.com and book your cabins right now.
	200 already gone.
	Don't wait another nanosecond.
	OK, so I've got to ask you, because I'm getting a lot of flack.
	We haven't discussed this.
	Uh-oh, I think I know where you're going.
	I wrote a 3,000-word interview, a 3,000-word piece on my Substack.
	It's out yesterday.
	I got a SebastianGorka.substack.com.
	I read it.
	Oh, you did?
	I did, just last night.
	So what's your take on Tucker?
	Because he gave this very defensive interview with Beck yesterday, saying, well, I could like Putin if I wanted to, because I'm an American.
	What's going on?
	I don't know him.
	Have you ever met him?
	You know him?
	We were colleagues at Fox.
	Is anybody listening?
	Is this on?
	You're going to upset people again.
	Yeah.
	Here's what I will share.
	I can't work him out.
	That's my problem.
	Because I look at the Tucker 20 years ago.
	And I look at the articles he wrote, and he's smart.
	He's a smart guy.
	And then I see these videos that literally, if you don't believe me, go and check it.
	He goes to a grocery in Russia and says, wow, they have this mechanism where you put a coin
	in to unlock it, and then it's your deposit.
	So you return it.
	Yeah, Tucker, we invented that in the West about 30 years ago.
	OK, so so the idea that they have technology that allows you to get a pushcart.
	It's like I know you're smarter than that, Tucker.
	So what's going on?
	That's why I don't understand.
	Let me ask you this, because here's my impression of your impression of him and that exchange with Putin.
	I think because you have a deep Abiding history in European history and European culture.
	He's gonna say I've got baggage.
	This is the polite way of saying I've got baggage.
	I think you understand and personalize things in a way that maybe we in the States do not.
	Is that fair?
	I told you.
	Is that fair?
	Totally, yeah.
	Totally.
	But, but, but there's a... Keep going.
	Okay, so I just would say that I think, the way a lot of us, stateside, American, don't have a frame of history or reference, perhaps, the way you do, about a guy like Putin.
	Is that fair?
	Yes, but if you were doing an interview like that, would you allow somebody to talk for 40 minutes?
	40 minutes.
	It was a long time, and it bored me to tears.
	I mean, I'll be honest, I watched the whole thing, two hours.
	I didn't understand what he was saying.
	I'm not a historian that way.
	And then we have people saying he's such a great historian.
	No, no, no, he's doing propaganda.
	So, and I mean, you tell me, was that not, that was not, most of that was not truthful, what he was saying?
	So my son was cooking dinner.
	He's a great chef.
	I was playing it on the TV.
	And he's a classicist, and he's really into history.
	Literally, as he was prepping the food, every 30 seconds, he was looking up and saying, that's a lie.
	That's a lie.
	Because you've taught him?
	No, because he educated himself.
	And he said, hang on a second.
	The Rus people didn't arrive into that basin long after the Vikings who founded, founded Ukraine, long before the Duchy of Moscow was ever created.
	So this whole idea that Ukraine is after Russia.
	And no, it's garbage.
	It was 40 minutes of propaganda.
	We have this difficulty here because I think all of us are questioning endless investment in something without a goal, right?
	I think you wouldn't argue that.
	Which is completely justified.
	Yeah, and because we're so tired of this sort of whatever-it-takes-as-long-as-it-takes attitude whenever we ask what are we doing and what's our goal, I think people are inclined to start listening to alternatives and other people and other voices.
	Which is fine, but then to say a week later At something called the Global Government Summit.
	I mean, I know I wouldn't go to a Global Government Summit.
	Tucker does.
	And he says, well, you know what?
	The subways are clean and there's no crime.
	And I'm thinking, well, you know what?
	In Hitler's Germany in 1938, the streets were pretty crime-free and clean.
	And like, he knows better than that.
	Because he's a dictator.
	That's why.
	That's your point.
	Right.
	You don't spit on the sidewalk in Moscow.
	So, here's what I need your help in understanding then.
	Do you believe his designs are to march across Europe or just take this particular territory?
	This is a great question.
	People have to know the antecedents.
	For 20 years, since he became president, Putin has been saying that Ukraine is illegitimate, so is Poland, so are the Baltic states.
	This isn't, we, we, you know, we provoked this NATO expat for 20 years.
	He's been saying, yeah, these aren't states.
	These belong to Russia.
	He waited till Biden left, and he moved in.
	That's his plan.
	And he's been broadcasting it.
	And then suddenly, it's our fault.
	This is what pisses me off the most.
	When I hear people say, we provoked it, we provoked it.
	What about this business of NATO and flirting with Ukraine becoming part of NATO and him feeling like NATO's encroaching on him?
	What about that?
	That's a great idea.
	You should read this article.
	It's on Substack.
	NATO is a club.
	It's not the Warsaw Pact.
	It's not a colonial entity.
	You get to join if you are democracy and can contribute to the collective defense.
	So it's a club.
	Boris Yeltsin said we should join NATO.
	Why does Russia get to say who could be in somebody else's club?
	Would you allow your neighbor to say whether or not you could be in a club he's not a member of?
	Is he right to feel that his neighbors, that club, threaten him?
	I'm just asking.
	He's got 4,000 nuclear warheads.
	So is he a stronger, because I hear from a lot of domestic folks here.
	Hang on, hold that second.
	I want to answer that question.
	We talked to Chris Stigall.
	I'm Sebastian Corker.
	Coming to you from the National Ridges Broadcasters Convention.
	Don't forget to follow Chris, follow me on social media, and don't forget the podcast.
	Never miss an episode of the show.
	Go to your favorite podcast platform, plug in my name, Sebastian Gawker, America First, leave us a five-star review, and share the links with your friends.
	We'll be back with the man who keeps the city of brotherly love sane every morning after these messages.
	This is my cigar buddy.
	He's no longer bigly.
	All his suits are too big for him because he's lost so much weight.
	How did he do it?
	I'll tell you how I did it with my PhD weight loss and our friends at Dr. Ashley Lucas's amazing company.
	I lost 42 pounds.
	My wife lost 36.
	Our colleague Mike Gallagher, we're going to have to like get less fuel on the cruise because he lost 53 pounds and kept it off.
	If you don't want to do those injections or the calorie counting or pop the pills, check out this amazing program myphdweightloss.com.
	That's myphdweightloss.com or call 864-644-1900.
	If I can do it with my sweet tooth, anyone can.
	All right, let's talk politics.
	Let's talk bigly.
	You are a very astute observer of politics.
	Follow this man on Twitter.
	If we win, if the good guys win, God willing, it's up to us.
	I have an issue with not just dealing with the deep state, the insane Democrats, the holdovers who are in across the national security state.
	The rhinos are like, you know, they're just still, whether it's Nikki Haley burning Reid Hoffman's billions, whether it's Mitt Romney making his statements.
	When are we going to get rid of the rhinos, Chris?
	Boy, I wish I could answer that, but I do know what you're saying.
	I was just talking about this this morning on my show.
	The Reid Hoffman billions, the fact that she's committed to staying in, and she keeps answering it, well, you know, because of his run-ins and his trouble with the law.
	That tells me they're betting on him going to prison.
	Which means she's actually in league with the Deep State because she wants to be president if the Democrats take him out.
	She's no different than that judge who slapped half a billion dollar fine on him last week.
	She's no different.
	She hopes he's successful.
	So what happens with the RINO establishment after November if President Trump wins?
	Do we have some kind of remedy?
	I don't know if we have a remedy.
	I think we'll continue to fight them, don't you?
	They will always be entrenched.
	I mean, when you see Liz Cheney go on CNN and sound literally like Hillary Clinton sounded in 2016, it's staggering.
	The Cheneys, of all people.
	You know, I remember when I got into this game, Bush and Cheney.
	Dick Cheney was Darth Vader.
	He was Trump back then.
	War criminal.
	War criminal.
	Yes.
	And today the Cheneys are like the bells of the Democrat ball.
	So what do you hear on your multiple shows, on your podcast, on the Harambe Society?
	Is there a recognition that it's not just about the left, but it's also about dealing a death blow to the RINOs as well?
	Because they just ignore 2016.
	Here's what bothers me so much, and I'm not going back where we were, but I will just say broadly, what bugs me is, and I fear this is going on inside the Republican Party, the conservative movement, there is such a fracture, such a splinter, such bad blood about DeSantis.
	You know, who's telling the truth?
	Really?
	That's what I hear.
	Aren't we over the DeSantis thing?
	I see an awful lot of sniping.
	And I'm not saying exclusively from the DeSantis people.
	It just seems that there's a lot of bitterness.
	And I want to know that we're all kind of unified and rowing in the same direction.
	And I think there's a lot of firing inside the tent at one another at a time we need to train it on Biden.
	I get the DeSantis thing because he wanted to be president.
	What else is the genesis of that tension?
	Why is that happening?
	I think you kind of laid out some of it.
	Oh, the foreign policy stuff?
	I do.
	You've seen on social media what it's done inside your own audience.
	There are a lot of people that listen to you that, for better or worse, really like Tucker.
	And they really like you.
	And now they feel like they've got to pick between the two of you, right?
	That's a weird spot to be for a conservative, I think.
	It is weird.
	It is weird.
	Especially because, you know what my issue is?
	We should actually be the ones who don't cancel each other.
	That's right.
	I'm not saying don't watch Tucker.
	That's right.
	I watch his stuff, right?
	I was a regular on a podcast until last week, and the host of the podcast cancelled me.
	A conservative.
	Because of this?
	Because of Tucker.
	And I'm thinking, well isn't that rather Bolshevik?
	Yeah.
	It's a bit weird.
	I've learned more from you today.
	I'm glad we had this conversation.
	I've wanted to have it because I haven't understood your insights, deep insights, into your opposition there.
	Right.
	I've learned.
	I'm glad we had it.
	Good.
	But shouldn't we be more heterogeneous than the left?
	Shouldn't we be able to have these conversations?
	Instead of Tucker saying, well, if I want to like Putin, I can like him.
	It's like, it's kind of like...
	Let's have a conversation.
	I totally agree.
	That's what we've always done better than them.
	We don't shut one another up or shut one another down.
	So where did that come from?
	Where did this idea that you can be a conservative and not allow disagreement?
	I find that peculiar.
	The old Reagan, right?
	Yes!
	70% of the time, we're good.
	I'll take 70% of the loaf now and I'll come back for 30, right?
	That's right.
	So where did this come from?
	Is that a post-Trump thing?
	A lot of people lay that at Trump's feet.
	I don't know that that's correct, but it's this kind of all or nothing, betray me or stand with me or else, this kind of loyalty at all costs or else thing.
	Right.
	Gosh, we can't afford that.
	Can we, Seb?
	No, we can't.
	We can't afford that attitude.
	We can't afford it.
	I think we can disagree, but we should be able to discuss it.
	Yes.
	And argue it out.
	I mean, I would love, you know, of course, you know, he wouldn't, but I'd love to debate Tucker.
	Let's talk about Putin.
	Let's talk about Putin for three hours on your show, right?
	And let the audience decide.
	And it doesn't have to be a final decision.
	It can just be an informational discussion.
	But I think you're right.
	We've got to a point where it's the loyalty or not.
	And I'm also, I don't, as a guy who's a personality just like you and just like Tucker, but not on your level.
	What does that mean?
	A personality?
	I mean that we're, you know, we're on the air, right?
	And have audiences.
	I don't like personality fights about ourselves at a time that the country is going to hell in a handbasket.
	I just hate it.
	We shouldn't be the center of attention right now.
	Joe Biden and the decay of the country should be the center of attention.
	But if it's a discussion of issues and not personalities, are you okay with that?
	That's true.
	Yes, that's correct.
	Issues are fine.
	It's just not personal.
	Because for me it's about issues and principles.
	Most of us have a background with one another where it bleeds into personal, I think.
	Yes.
	I think.
	Because we know things about one another, right?
	I know a lot about you.
	I know a lot about him.
	But thankfully you like me and I like you and so we don't have a problem.
	For the time being.
	But if you want to know more, come on the cruise.
	Oh yeah, we'll talk dirt then.
	Or you'll throw me over.
	SebGawker.com.
	Well, you can swim, so can I. SebGawker.com and the Patriots Alaska Cruise.
	Check it out today.
	What can you do in the fight?
	Do you have to be a personality?
	You just have to ask yourself, if you've got a cell phone, who is it connected to?
	Because if it's connected to one of the big cell phone providers, guess what?
	Bad news for you guys, you're helping the other side.
	The big cell phone providers, you know who they are.
	They're funding causes you don't agree with.
	Millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood, to gun control associations, to foundations trying to cancel and censor Patriots.
	Join the only Christian Concerted Cell Phone Company right now.
	It's the one I use.
	They have the same nationwide coverage, free activation with my name, extra discounts for veterans and first responders.
	You keep your old number, keep your old phone, or get an upgrade.
	And guess what?
	They're on your side.
	They've donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to causes you believe in.
	The Sanctity of Life, the First Amendment, the Second Amendment.
	Switch today.
	It's as easy as calling 972-PATRIOT or going to patriotmobile.com slash G-O-R-K-A.
	Please, please, please don't fund your enemies and people who hate you with every call you
	make and every text you send.
	That's just sheer insanity.
	Call today, 972-728-7468, patriotmobile.com slash G-O-R-K-A.
	I wish I'd know why this...
	Minute 45.
	...FB keeps going.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	So what do you put on Harambe Club?
	Is it like topic of the day or just... Usually I do just sort of a... it's kind of a... I'll write a short summary monologue of something that's kind of on my mind, but it's generally kind of an aggregate of tweets, stories... Does that inform your monologue?
	No.
	I usually just kind of whatever's top of mind, stand alone, thought.
	And it generally has nothing to do with what I did on the show.
	That's kind of the hook.
	That it's just something unrelated.
	You, that is, I mean, you wrote a tome.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That was a lengthy ride.
	I was flying to Idaho, and flying back from Idaho, and I just, I can, the best place to ride is on planes.
	On planes, yeah.
	Do you like to ride?
	I love writing.
	I hate the idea of having to write.
	It drives my wife nuts when I say, oh, I have to write, and I get so depressed when it's hanging over me.
	Yes.
	And then when I'm typing, I say to her, this is fun, and she gets really angry at me.
	Yeah, like, when you know what you want to say, you can write all day long, right?
	But you're forced to.
	Yeah, it's the idea that I have to.
	Yeah.
	I don't like it being assigned.
	Right.
	If somebody said, write an 800-word column tonight, it would be the biggest stress of my day.
	Oh, really?
	It would be second-hand.
	Any cuts you want to come in with?
	I'll tee up Mika at 12.
	Tee up 12, alrighty.
	After we do the flag, FBI and China.
	Don't forget to track my podcast as soon as the show is over.
	Go to salempodcastnetwork.com to find it, or anywhere podcasts are available.
	Hey Chris, what is it with these people, Salem, that we work for?
	We're like, we're in the salt mines hours every day and then you come to this event and they've got pens, they've got notebooks.
	Have you ever A bound notebook with a Salem.
	Is this for everybody else except the guys who actually make the money for the company?
	That's right.
	I told my guys back, just humping it this weekend, or this week, I said, you wouldn't believe it.
	Salem's wallpapered all over the... Swag!
	There's like a pile of swag over there.
	And every executive from the company is here eating shrimp as big as a baby's arm.
	Shrimp for breakfast!
	Trattup!
	I saw Trattup eating salmon for breakfast.
	He had shrimps for breakfast.
	Champagne and...
	Yeah, no, it's limos, limousines.
	Alright, if you want some real swag that's pro-America, forget the stuff the executives give themselves, we have it.
	If you stand with President Trump, it's the I stand with 45 flag made in America.
	Plus the t-shirt, you made it number one, the FBI t-shirt, but this time it stands for Federal Bureau of Intimidation.
	Get yours today.
	And the latest, It's Slow Joe with his ice cream cone and it says Dementia Joe has got to go.
	Get yours and so much more at SebGorkaStore.com.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A-Store.com.
	And please support the president directly at DonaldJTrump.com.
	Why do you like doing radio, Stigall?
	What is it about radio?
	It's so different, isn't it?
	It's different and I was just talking to somebody today that now everybody is setting up their little sets with videos and doing shows and everything's about the web, you know, everything's about being on camera.
	The YouTube clicks!
	Yeah!
	And I hate that.
	I have loved radio all my life for the same reason you do.
	It's intimate, it transports you anywhere, you've got to listen intently, your imagination can go anywhere, anybody that's good at it can make you feel, sense, see.
	There's nothing quite like it.
	I'm gonna open the kimono because that's what we do here live.
	I have a TV show as well and I'm gonna say it right now.
	I don't like it.
	It's cold.
	It's artificial.
	It's cold and artificial, that's right.
	There's nothing like... Radio is just... Let it rip.
	It's real.
	Let it rip.
	It's real.
	Yep.
	Wrong.
	The TV, you've got, you know, you're staring at this thing, you've got the elements, you've got somebody talking in your ear.
	Do it again.
	And it's not me.
	Yeah, stop.
	It's not me.
	Do it again.
	Right.
	Read the thing again.
	There's none of that in radio.
	You just do it.
	You gotta do it.
	Yeah.
	And you gotta do it live.
	That's right.
	But watch it, Sunday Night News Max.
	Don't miss it.
	That was a heck of an advertisement.
	The Gawker Reality Check.
	No, I do it like I do radio.
	This guy just comes on my show.
	Millions of listeners.
	Gets me in trouble with Tucker Carlson.
	Who is this guy?
	The Harumph Society right now on Substack, right?
	That's right.
	Harumph.
	Harumph.
	The Harumph Society.
	Follow him on this thing called X. I hate that.
	It's called Twitter.
	That was the dumbest decision.
	Come on, Elon.
	Name it back.
	Now you're gonna fight with Elon.
	Would you stop it?
	No, I like him.
	I like him.
	Okay.
	It's Chris de Gaulle.
	And then AM 990, the answer.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	Where did that one eye... It's really easy when they're interviewing you.
	So easy, easy, easy.
	Make sure you're following us on all social media platforms.
	Look for my name, Seb Gawker, on Truth Social, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Parlor Getter.
	Just check it out.
	My Substack, my take on Tucker, SebastianGawker.Substack.com.
	We'll be back from the NLB after these messages.
	Thanks for watching.
	We'll be back.
	Thanks for watching.
	If you have mail-in voting, you automatically have fraud.
	Okay, well there's mail-in voting in Florida and you won huge.
	That's right.
	If you have it, you're going to have it.
	But you won't.
	Because you don't have any.
	When you go into a voting place, like you go into one in a properly run state, they
	look at you, they give you voter ID, you give all sorts of identification.
	I mean, it would be very hard to cheat in a mass gavel.
	When you send out millions, like California, I think they sent out 36 million ballots.
	They don't have a voting booth in the whole place.
	And then millions of ballots come back.
	Nobody knows where they're coming from.
	But what are you gonna do about it? The way you win is by swamping them
	The way you win is by swamping them.
	You gotta have... and we're gonna swamp... We have to win so bigly that the level of fraud doesn't matter.
	That's President Trump yesterday, South Carolina, for the town hall.
	We're putting the best elements up on our social media accounts.
	I think we're gonna have to post the whole thing as well in case you missed it because it was one of his best.
	Let's dissect it.
	And so much more.
	Find out what's going on in California with our West Coast Warrior Princess, AM590, AM870, The Answer, the co-host of the Jen and Grant Show.
	Jennifer Horne, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you.
	I can't believe it's Wednesday again, but I love it.
	It's a highlight of my week to hang out with you, and you sound like you're someplace a little different today.
	I know, I know.
	I shouldn't admit this.
	I hate remote broadcasts, but this time they made it easy for me.
	I love being in my studio with my team.
	My team's back in the swamp, so they're in DC.
	You're in California, and I'm in Nashville for the National Religious Broadcasters Convention.
	Technology!
	Isn't it wonderful, Jen?
	All we need is chewing gum and some string, and look at what we can do.
	I mean, it's amazing!
	Don't give Salem any ideas because they will replace all the technology with two tin cans and a piece of string.
	Before we talk about the latest insane stories from your neck of the woods, I just got sent by Rich Barris, the pollster I trust, the following tweet.
	And Eric's got the image that goes with the tweet.
	Here's another pro-Nikki Haley mailer urging Democrats to vote for Nikki Haley in South Carolina's Republican primary.
	Jen, why is somebody who wants to be the nominee for the Republican Party mailing out reminders to Democrats in South Carolina to vote for her?
	Because they're scared to death of Donald Trump.
	I mean, what are we seeing week after week, day after day?
	And unfortunately for Nikki Haley, the bulk of her support is now coming from Democrats.
	That's where her money is coming from.
	It's coming from Democrat donors.
	She's running out of Republicans who are going to send her any money.
	And so, of course, now they're going to be trying to get Democrats to jump into the primary.
	I will say, and we should talk about some of the voter issues President Trump talked about in California, but one good thing that California Republicans did this time around is that we
	closed our primary so that means if you want to vote in the primary
	you have to be a registered Republican if you want to vote for a Republican
	presidential candidate. Is that a new thing Jen? That's new.
	And what's really good about that—and I'm sorry for the people, because the bulk of voters in California really are no party preference, or they don't want to associate with the Republican Party.
	And even because of the shenanigans going on within the RNC, you had a lot of people jump away and unregister as a Republican.
	But you have to get back into the party in order to vote.
	And there's so much funny business that could happen.
	I really believe that this is what every state needs to be employing, because you don't need people from the Democrat Party.
	Messing around in our primaries, it just doesn't make any sense.
	Well, that's the thing.
	So, allegedly, and I'm so glad I get to ask you this, the female of the species is the more empathetic.
	I don't know how to spell empathy.
	I don't know how to do empathy.
	That's just not the way I was wired.
	I don't believe that.
	You're an empathetic person.
	Come on.
	Well, I'm empathetic with the people I love.
	I don't want to ruin your streak, Red, but you're pretty darn nice to me, I can say that.
	No, with my friends and the people I love and respect, but you know, like general empathy, like empathy for strangers, I'm not that good of a Christian.
	I guess I shouldn't be saying that here at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention, but I am a fallen man, I will admit that.
	So here's the thing that I don't get it.
	Let's just get really deep on this.
	Not political, but just kind of... Let's talk about the difference between men and women.
	Women, I give you, are meant to be more empathetic.
	How does this woman seemingly have zero comprehension, Jen, of how it looks when she, A, attacks her former boss, and B, then says that if you're from the other party, you have to vote for me.
	It's such a complete incapacity to understand what she looks like from the outside.
	How is that happening?
	I had a really hard time, first of all, with her speech yesterday, which, you know, people expect a big announcement.
	Oh, it's the state of the race.
	I thought she was going to announce that she's dropping out.
	It's what she should have done.
	And I think that's what a lot of people did.
	But you could see she didn't cancel any events.
	So she played everybody, basically, to get some attention because people are forgetting that she's even in the race right now.
	And here's what's hard for me about Nikki Haley.
	And I acknowledge That biologically, women's voices are tougher to listen to than men's voices most of the time.
	Most of the time, people would prefer to listen to a male voice.
	I don't make the rules.
	It's just how it is.
	It's something that's biologically different from all of us.
	But when Nikki Haley gets up to the podium, she constantly speaks like she's narrating a Hidden Valley Ranch commercial.
	I don't know if you know what I'm talking about, but that sound where she's... Well, she sounds to me like she's whining.
	She's very sing-songy and I think she's having trouble connecting with people.
	And so what did she do yesterday?
	And this is what I think feels really cheap.
	And I'm sorry to say this, because I admire families who make that sacrifice and have their loved ones
	and their spouses go off and fight for our country.
	But it was very odd that she spent the whole time talking about how terrible Trump is
	and that she's the only one in democracy and Democrats need to do this.
	And then she's crying about her husband being gone and not with her.
	If I think what she's trying to do at all costs is trying to reach somebody's soul, but it's just too late.
	And unfortunately, as a candidate on a main stage in this country, you have to have the it factor that is going to touch somebody.
	And Nikki Haley didn't have it.
	Ron DeSantis didn't have it.
	Donald Trump has it.
	He stands up there and he connects with people.
	And it's a very special skill, but it's one that you cannot beat.
	And unfortunately, I think Nikki Haley is finding out the hard way that her lack of ability to connect with people is coming back to get her.
	So I'll ask the obvious question.
	Why is Nikki Haley running?
	Well, I think, look, a lot of people have big egos when they go into politics.
	And I think right now she's trying maybe to cobble together enough money that she can hold on to in a campaign fund.
	And if she were smart, she'd really drop out now and then focus on running again in four years when maybe it's a different field.
	But she's not doing that.
	But here's the moral question.
	How?
	And again, I'm leery of saying this because it makes me sound so naive.
	And for somebody, you know, who lives and works in the swamp, served in the White House, you know, I guess that's a little weird.
	But what kind of person, Jen, Right.
	She criticizes, suddenly, after two years ago, saying, I will never run against President Trump.
	Not only does she run against him, but she criticizes him, I mean, calling him literally senile.
	It's a crisis of character, to be sure.
	What kind of moral person does that?
	What kind of character do they have?
	Well, and it's especially evident when you realize what Donald Trump's candidacy stands for to most Americans.
	And that is that he is battling for our soul.
	He's not just battling for himself.
	He's battling against a government that wants to shut everybody up because Donald Trump woke something up in the Republican Party.
	We got tired of losing.
	We realized what was at stake.
	We wanted to fight.
	And so he woke that up in us.
	And once again, by not dropping out and not Stepping to the side and by criticizing him and calling him senile, she's totally misunderstanding what the rest of America, especially Republicans, understand.
	And that is, we are at war.
	We need to be standing shoulder to shoulder.
	We don't need to have people on our own side of the aisle throw arrows at us because they don't understand the movement.
	We've only got a minute left in this segment, but I've got to ask you, when she drops out before or after South Carolina, which is, what, two days away, she's not going to do what Ron DeSantis did.
	She's not going to endorse President Trump, is she, Jen?
	I don't know.
	I mean, what is she going to do?
	I think she's going to be quiet.
	Really?
	She's going to do a complete 180?
	I think she's going to be quiet after she gets out.
	I don't know if you'll get an immediate endorsement, but I don't think she's going to drop out until after Super Tuesday.
	She's got money spent on Super Tuesday.
	She's already got her events scheduled.
	I think she's going to stick around for a minute.
	Follow this lady right now, at Jennifer Horne.
	Listen to her every morning, keeping LA and Southern California sane.
	Don't forget to join us for our Patriots Alaska Cruise.
	Jen's gonna be there, Krista Gahl's gonna be there, Mike Gallagher's gonna be there.
	Go to my website, SebGawker.com and click on the Patriots Alaska Cruise banner.
	200 cabins already booked.
	Don't miss it.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A SebGorker.com and the Patriots Alaska Cruise banner.
	It is this July 4th weekend.
	And then, don't forget to subscribe to the podcast so you never miss the third hour.
	Whichever platform you prefer, Stitcher, Salem, Spotify.
	Plug in.
	My name's Sebastian Gorker, America's First.
	Leave a five-star review and share the links with your friends.
	And if you want 45 back, it's 47.
	It's up to us, God willing.
	Tell the world whose side you are on.
	Fly the Ice Stand with 45 flag over your home.
	Get that and so much more at SebGorkaStore.com.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A-Store.com.
	and please support the president directly at DonaldJTrump.com Thanks for watching! Please subscribe!
	Thanks for watching! Please subscribe!
	I had two big speaking engagements.
	I spoke to the entire convention of Republican Women's Federated for all their group presidents on Friday and then yesterday I spoke out in the Valley and I was sitting down at the table and this woman comes up to me and she goes, I'm going to Alaska with you!
	Oh, nice.
	Isn't that fun?
	So she goes, my daughter and I were looking at Costco at Cruises to Alaska and she said, I'm not going to go.
	She was looking at what?
	She was looking at Costco for Cruises to Alaska.
	Costco?
	Yeah, they have travel stuff there.
	Wow.
	And so she told her daughter, she goes, I'm not going to do that one.
	We're going to go with Jennifer Warren and Sebastian Gorka to Alaska.
	So they're coming with us.
	We got two.
	Alright, so, um... Jen.
	Yes?
	Who did you guys use to get Adam Carolla on today?
	Oh, I got it.
	I have his email.
	You want it?
	Yes, please.
	because this old booker doesn't How long?
	Two minutes.
	Okay.
	Mike's on.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Morgan's good for tomorrow, so we're good with guests.
	Great.
	We don't need anybody else with him, right?
	I don't think so.
	Okay, good.
	And so everything's set?
	Yeah.
	Confirmed.
	Can you do me a favor?
	Can you send me some links of that Member of Parliament giving interviews and some background information on her?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And no issues with other elements apart from the NATO stuff?
	I haven't seen yet.
	I'm doing the SOTS now.
	I don't think anything should be an issue.
	Time?
	One minute.
	Okay.
	Wow, Joe Biden's brother is testifying on Capitol Hill?
	Today, he showed up.
	Whoa.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	And Joe's in L.A.
	today.
	He is?
	Oh, yeah.
	Can you guys keep him?
	Yeah, I don't want him.
	We've heard he got enough trouble.
	30 seconds.
	One person asked, a reporter asked him if he was here to work on Plan B with Gavin Newsom.
	What's that?
	Meaning Gavin Newsom would replace him.
	Oh Plan B!
	Oh my gosh!
	Let's share that.
	I like that, that's really good.
	That's interesting.
	Making sense out of today's nonsense, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	It's a good thing.
	It's really weird.
	I don't remember us doing this in the White House.
	The president was the most accessible president I think we've ever had.
	He'd stop for these impromptu press sprays.
	I don't know why they call them press sprays.
	Makes me think of canines on heat.
	But anyway, he'd stop on his way to Marine One.
	Unrehearsed and, like, stand there for 40 minutes giving press conferences.
	And now this White House, when they're not hiding Joe, they have these strange audio interviews.
	They post Corinne Jean-Pierre on Air Force One with no camera, no video.
	It's very 19th century.
	And here's the latest.
	She's complaining about the New York Times.
	Your question more specifically about the New York Times coverage is that that display what we believe a journalistic objectivity about coverage of the present age speaks to why we agree with former New York Times public editor Margaret Sullivan.
	And she says, maybe the Times and other major media outlets ought to look in the mirror.
	Self-scrutiny and course correction are not among their core strengths.
	And I'll leave it there.
	Jen, help me out here.
	What does it mean when the press secretary for the Democrat administration is complaining about bias not at Breitbart, not at Salem, but the New York Times?
	It means you're in real trouble because those people have tripped all over themselves to be nice to Joe Biden, his administration, his terrible ideology.
	But, you know, gosh, they write one story that's got, oh, I don't know, a little bit of criticism and all of a sudden it's a biased news media and fake news, which they tore Trump apart for.
	They have no idea what fake news coverage is.
	I think they need to talk to the former president about what that's like.
	So what, I don't want to draw too many conclusions, but when you add that to, you know, Amy Klobuchar just randomly saying, oh yes, Joe Biden, he has no mental problems.
	It sounds like they're in big trouble, doesn't it?
	It does.
	And I really think everything sort of lays the groundwork for a shift.
	I used to say it was crazy to think that Joe Biden wouldn't be the nominee.
	Now I'm, you know, I'm kind of 50-50.
	I think it's going to be hard to pull him out.
	I think it's going to be hard.
	He's an angry old guy.
	I think it's going to be hard to pull him out.
	But I think it's great, don't you?
	I do.
	I do.
	And actually, I was even happier looking at some polling that was done, I think, by Emerson College.
	I just did it on our program this morning.
	President Trump head-to-head in hypothetical matchups with Gavin Newsom.
	He beats Gavin by 10 points.
	He beats Gretchen Whitmer by, I think, 13 points or something like that.
	Kamala Harris, he beats by 6.
	And Joe Biden, he beats by 1, which is still, to me, amazing that that is the strongest candidate because For me, fresh off the bench seems to be beneficial to the Democrats instead of what we've gotten for the last four years.
	But that's what the polling indicates.
	So I think Trump is positioned well, but I do think it's really important that as we talk about Joe Biden, we really focus on his policies, because you don't want someone fresh off the bench who's going to jump in in August after the convention, and then we have to try to get Trump, who's had everything thrown at him, to try to knock someone else out.
	So I think we have to really But give us some update for our listeners across the nation.
	Where is Joe today?
	for our listeners across the nation. Where is Joe today?
	Where's Joe Biden?
	Joe's actually in Los Angeles today, Seb. He's been here for the last two days.
	He's been fundraising. California is his top fundraising state. And do you know he
	has a hundred and thirty million dollars in his campaign coffers? That's the most...
	But that didn't stop somebody asking him about what?
	I'm sorry? Oh!
	What was he asked about?
	A reporter said before he left D.C., Mr. President, are you going to California to work on Plan B with Gavin Newsom?
	Meaning they were going to do the old switcheroo.
	And of course, Joe Biden just looks at her and laughs and says, I'm ready to go to California.
	And then he took off.
	I mean, he never answers any questions directly.
	No, but I don't know if he's going to be working on something.
	Maybe they're going to be, you know, shifting some things around.
	You know Gavin Newsom's at home right now just drooling over the idea of going to the Oval Office.
	Well, look, he's already measured the drapes.
	He did that like two years ago when he snuck into the White House while Slow Joe was in Brussels.
	All right, let's talk about this viral video of this Chinese national, can't speak English, being sworn on to the elections board in San Francisco.
	Tell us about this and the other Chinese connection to this story.
	Yeah, this is pretty insane.
	So a Chinese immigrant, her name is Kelly Wong.
	She got sworn in to serve on San Francisco's election commission, even though she's not a citizen.
	It's not legal for her to vote, but the Brainiacs in San Francisco on their board of supervisors
	voted to remove the citizenship requirement for any of these commission appointee positions.
	So she's the first non-citizen ever to sit on this board, and she's going to have oversight
	over the elections, how people vote.
	So hang on a second.
	We're worried about election integrity, but a Chinese national is on the board of the election committee.
	You nailed it.
	She oversees voter registrations, vote-by-mail ballots, voting locations.
	Anybody have a problem with this in San Francisco?
	Oh, it was a huge story in San Francisco.
	But again, they changed the rules.
	This is what they do, though.
	This is what the far left does.
	They change the rules.
	They push, push, push so far.
	And then they realize they might have a problem when people actually take them up on it.
	But she's in and they're actually celebrating it.
	But the more disturbing issue with Chinese nationals is that the California border is now the hotspot.
	It seems that our border problems left Texas and they've moved to San Diego.
	You have 250 plus Chinese immigrants, Chinese nationals coming into our to our state every single day.
	In 2022, there was a total of 400 Chinese nationals that came through our border since October.
	20,000 for the election board.
	Well, that's it.
	And so they're also be yes, that's right.
	And they're also being asked why they're coming here.
	And people are saying money.
	Now, I'm wondering, is that a job, a new opportunity, a new life?
	Or are they literally getting paid to come here?
	Because most of them are single men who are military age.
	We're letting a Chinese army be built in our country.
	And Joe Biden's fundraising at a celebrity's house in California right now.
	It's just unreal.
	And they're handed, by the way, full health benefits and a debit card so they can go spend money while they're here.
	We are the only nation on God's green earth that developed nation that doesn't have a functioning border into which anybody can come in whenever they want.
	Follow this lady at Jennifer Horn on social media, CRNtalk.com.
	Listen to her every morning with that.
	That guy who's still in training.
	That guy that needs a little bit of more coaching.
	He's a good guy.
	He's Grant Stinchfield.
	We shall discuss all of these issues, especially the border, this Sunday on my Newsmax show.
	In the meantime, AM 590, AM 870, The Answer.
	And join us!
	For our Patriots Alaska Cruise, June 29th to July 6th, go to SebGorka.com and click on the Patriots Alaska Cruise banner.
	Just last week, 43 cabins gone, more than 200 booked already.
	Don't miss it, the trip of a lifetime, with me, my gal, Jen Horne, Christy Garth, and some special America First surprise guests.
	Go to SebGorka.com, that's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A, and click So Eric Metaxas is meant to be on next, but he's running away.
	That's always a good sign when your guest is running away.
	We'll try and hook him back in a moment.
	In the meantime, don't forget to follow us on all our social media, everywhere where you see Seb Gorka or Sebastian Gorka.
	Just follow me, Truth Social, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Parlor Getter.
	You can watch us.
	We are a TV show as well.
	Just get the Salem News Channel app or your Roku, your Fire Stick device.
	Or as of December, the Samsung Plus devices have our shows as well.
	And for the latest content by me and direct access to me, check out my Substack.
	My analysis on the Tucker Putin interview just went up yesterday.
	That's sebastiaingorker.substack.com.
	My whole name is one word, sebastiaingorker.substack.com.
	We'll be back with the one, the only Eric Metaxas after these messages.
	Stay with us here on America First.
	Hello, everybody.
	This is your favorite president, Donald J. Trump.
	And I want to let you know that I'm also a big fan of Sebastian.
	So I know you listen to him, and he's got a great audience, good ratings, and all of those things.
	But he has it because he's a very talented guy.
	He's an amazing man.
	So I just wanted to say that.
	And you're not wasting your time by listening to Sebastian Gorka.
	And this is not a paid commercial, but it's a commercial out of love and out of respect for a man that's really a great patriot.
	So enjoy the shows for many years to come, unless he happens to be going into government, which could happen.
	Thank you.
	I don't know why I like that line so much.
	Maybe it has something to do with my guest who sat down next to me and said, you know, I was so looking forward to maybe interviewing the president.
	And do you know anybody who could help me out with that?
	And I was like, OK, Eric, OK, I get the message.
	We'll connect with Mar-a-Lago.
	We talked to my buddy, my Salem colleague, Eric Metaxas, who's very subtle.
	Unbelievable.
	Eric, are you having fun here amongst your fellow... I'm a mackerel snapper and Catholic.
	I'm surprised they let me in the room here.
	Well, you know, it's interesting.
	I'm really just a Christian.
	If you take your faith seriously, you're essentially a born-again evangelical in whatever tradition.
	I'm a very pro-Catholic, non-Catholic.
	I'm not officially Catholic.
	We'll let you into the one true faith.
	We'll let you in, we'll let you in.
	We believe in the Nicene Creed, we believe in the bodily virtue.
	You know, if you believe all that, it makes you a Christian.
	But, what we will be talking about is you have to live out your faith.
	If you don't live out your faith, in fact, you have no faith.
	And that is the problem with the American church today.
	Right.
	Well, oh, that's a good idea.
	That could be a good title for a book.
	A Letter to the American Church?
	Letter to the American Church.
	What do you think?
	Will you write one?
	Will you write one?
	How about making a movie about it?
	Not only will I write one, but I've written one.
	It's called Letters to the American Church, and we have just come out with the film version.
	And by the way, it's a brilliant film, Letter to the American Church.
	We'll talk about the film in a second.
	What is the message of the book?
	It's not a massive tome.
	You've written a library of books from Bonhoeffer on to Seven Great Men, Seven Great Women.
	What is the essence of the Letter to the American Church?
	Well, the Bonhoeffer book is the longest book I ever wrote.
	Soon to be a movie.
	Well, it's not based on my book, but there's a phenomenal movie coming out in November, and it is the real story of Bonhoeffer, and everybody should be excited.
	About that film.
	I'm thrilled that they made it.
	I almost can't believe that it's coming out and it's the real story because there's a lot of, you know, it's not the woke Bonhoeffer, it's the real thing.
	Right.
	But I was going to say that when I wrote the Bonhoeffer book, I could kind of smell that what happened in Germany was in our future in America.
	I said, could this happen in America?
	And I was sorry to say, once you understand how it happened in Germany, you realize, of course it could happen and it's happening.
	It was beginning to happen already in 2008, 2009 when I wrote the book.
	And the new book, Letter to the American Church, which is the shortest book I ever wrote, makes the case that precisely the way the German church dithered and was silent in the face of evil in the run-up, this was in the beginning when the Nazis first took over, before you knew where this was going, the church elected To do nothing.
	To say, well, we don't want to be political.
	We just want to preach the gospel.
	We just want to do church.
	That was a satanic choice.
	They opened the door to the evils of the Nazis.
	And it is the thesis of my book, Letter to the American Church, that this is precisely what the American church has been doing.
	And it is why All of these horrible things are happening in America because the American church has refused to do its job, which is to speak and act against the evil.
	On your sense, as you were writing Bonhoeffer, that the same things are happening here, let me share with you, when I moved here 16 years ago from Europe, And I'd have, you know, friends who were conservatives I'd get to know and they'd say, Sebastian, the socialists are here.
	Communism's here.
	And I'd make fun of them.
	I would laugh.
	I'd say, really?
	Can I talk to you about the scars on my dad's body from the torture chambers in a real communist prison?
	Eric Metaxas, I don't laugh at those people anymore.
	And I look at the evangelicals who were saying 20 years ago, they're coming after your kids, and I'd say, oh come on, calm down.
	And now, you can't deny it.
	What they're doing to President Trump, the J6ers, the transgender thing, there is no denying the diabolical agenda that is being foist on America.
	When you know the truth about J6, when you know the truth about what they're doing to Donald Trump, what else do you call it but satanic?
	I mean, how could it be a mere difference of opinion?
	This is evil.
	And if you do not see evil, you give it all kinds of names and you think, well, we can figure out a way.
	It has become so clear.
	The level of lying, I mean the gaslighting around J6, the satanic evil of the persecution of patriots, many people don't want to believe it.
	And you know what, Sebastian, honestly, I get that.
	It's too horrible to acknowledge.
	Why would you want to believe it?
	If there's any way you could believe that this is just some fanatical conspiracy theory, you can understand.
	But here's the problem.
	It is true, and I think every single day in America, more people are waking up to the fact that, you know what?
	I didn't want to believe it, but it's happening.
	I didn't want to know it, but it's happening.
	The book is The Letter to the American Church.
	It is out now as a documentary on Epoch TV.
	We're going to be continuing our discussion with Eric Metaxas.
	Follow him, EricMetaxasShow.com, Eric Metaxas on Twitter.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First coming to you from the MobileReliefFactor.com studios with Their new product.
	I'm so excited.
	You know me, I tell you regularly, I'm a night owl.
	When I finally go to sleep in the wee hours of the morning, I need to sleep the sleep of the dead.
	I need to be revitalized.
	I need to sleep a deep sleep and wake up refreshed.
	How do I do that now?
	With Relief Factor Sleep.
	My wife, who gets to bed early and wakes up before the sun, she takes Relief Factor Sleep, which is all natural, and is waking up at 7.
	Not 4.30, 7 in the morning!
	And she feels as right as rain and not drowsy.
	Find out for yourself.
	It's the most important thing in your health.
	You've got to exercise, you've got to eat right.
	But if you don't get your sleep every night, it destroys your health.
	Mentally, physically.
	Find out today.
	Relieffactor.com and try saying this quickly a few times.
	Relieffactor.com slash sleep.
	Say that quickly a few times.
	Relieffactor.com slash sleep or just call Relief Factor 800 for relief.
	That's 800 for relief.
	We'll be back after these messages.
	It's been insane.
	And one of the first churches was Rob McCoy's church in California.
	And two women who are Hollywood veterans were in the...
	They're on fire Christians.
	They said, this needs to be a film.
	So they...
	Absolutely made the film.
	I had nothing to do with it except that they took my writing, they wrote up a script for me, I went to LA, we filmed for a couple of days, and I spoke to camera.
	So I'm the main voice of the film, but they interviewed Charlie Kirk, Seth Gruber, John Amanchukwu, you know John Amanchukwu?
	I know John, yes.
	And a number of Victor Marks, Eileen Marks, Do you want the mics on or off?
	You can put the mics on.
	folks they interview them on the different topic James Lindsay so it is
	so well done I guess there's gonna be a screening tonight at 7 o'clock but it's
	it's so beautifully done James doesn't have faith right he's an atheist
	you know when you know somebody sorry mics are hot I can't hear you do you
	want the mics on or off you can put the mics on okay they're on
	after hearing our conversation.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't want to talk about James Lindsay's faith publicly, but I don't get the impression... You know how some people, you meet them and you just realize... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	They might say that.
	Right.
	But it doesn't make any sense.
	Well, it's like Jordan Peterson for three years saying, I'm not good enough to be a Christian.
	That's the whole point, Jordan.
	We get it.
	That's right.
	So if he died today, I know where I expect to find him.
	Right.
	But that's what's interesting about James Lindsay.
	But I talk to James Lindsay at some I don't know if it was AmFest or something like that.
	We did a thing on the stage and I thought, this guy, give me a break.
	You know what it is, Sebastian?
	What?
	One minute.
	You say something?
	What?
	One minute.
	One minute, thanks.
	If you're reality-based, I mean, because again, you're seeing madness, so if you're reality-based, who created reality?
	God created reality.
	I tell people, look at a strawberry and tell me God doesn't exist.
	I mean, you have to be really stupid to think a flower is just an accident.
	I'm going to do Patriot Mobile at the top.
	It takes a real level of imbecility.
	You have to look away from reality.
	Right.
	I can invent a fiction.
	Right.
	If you look at reality, you're in trouble.
	You're in trouble.
	Sit.
	Sit.
	You are listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald
	J. Trump.
	Bye.
	We're talking about the important stuff in the breaks.
	We're talking about cufflinks.
	Yeah, the important stuff.
	I'm back with my good buddy Eric Metaxas, the author of A Letter to the American Church.
	Now a movie on Epoch TV.
	Also the most important book he has written is Bonhoeffer.
	The story of Bonhoeffer, a true saint, will be released later this year.
	Before we get back to the question of what it means to be a Christian in America in 2024, I've got a question for you.
	Are you in the fight?
	No, really, honestly.
	Not, oh, I follow you on Twitter and I listen to you, Dennis and Eric.
	No, no.
	Are you in the fight?
	Because Dennis is right.
	You're either a fighter...
	Or you're helping the fighters, or you're doing nothing.
	Those are your three options.
	If you're not in the trenches like we are, that's okay.
	That's not for everybody.
	But help us.
	How do you help us?
	If you have a cell phone, please tell me.
	Dear Lord, please tell me.
	It's not connected to the big three cell phone providers.
	Because they hate you.
	The big cell phone providers give millions of dollars every year to things like Planned Parenthood to kill babies.
	They give to gun control organizations, foundations that are censoring and trying to cancel conservatives.
	Which means if you're with them, every time you make a call or send a text, you're actually helping the left.
	Please, dear Lord, don't.
	There's only one Christian Conservative cell phone company in the nation.
	It's the one I use, Patriot Mobile.
	Switch today.
	They have the same cell phone coverage, they have a performance guarantee, extra discounts for veterans and first responders, and if you use my name, you'll get free activation.
	Switch today, keep your old number, keep your old phone, or get an upgrade.
	It's super easy.
	You go to PatriotMobile.com slash Gawker, or just call 864-644-1900.
	Sorry.
	Let's delete that.
	972 Patriot.
	That's the easiest.
	972 Patriot or just go to patriotmobile.com slash G-O-R-K-A.
	Don't fund your enemies with your cell phone.
	That's insanity.
	All right, I'm going to pitch a real fast ball at you now, Eric, because you've only got like six minutes and then one more segment with you.
	I've kind of had it.
	I'm going to say it here in front of thousands of Christians at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention.
	I've had it with anyone who says, I'm a Christian, but I don't do politics.
	Yeah, guess what?
	You should have had it.
	I've had it.
	Because you can't say that.
	Listen, listen.
	This is, again, in my book, Letter to the American Church, I spell it out.
	If you were alive in 1850, okay, you have the most satanic thing, slavery, okay, is happening.
	Politically, you have an obligation to vote for those people who are going to abolish slavery.
	If you're a Christian, do you say, you know what?
	I don't want to touch that one.
	They're good people on both sides of the slavery issue.
	I don't need to bother about that.
	God will judge you.
	If you have a voice, you have a vote, and you don't get involved.
	The unborn.
	You're not going to take a position to vote for people who are going to overturn Roe v. Wade.
	But I'm going to push on this.
	It's not just about voting.
	So I was at an event... Oh, no, no, no.
	Voting is the minimum.
	I was at an event in New Hampshire, a political event for like, you know, great patriots, mega patriots.
	And at the end, I always love the Q&A.
	I'm sure you prefer the Q&A.
	You know, there's giving speeches and there's actually answering people's questions.
	And this lovely lady stands up and she says, I'm a nurse.
	And we got on to the transgender thing.
	And she said, in my hospital, they perform these things and they perform abortions.
	What do I do?
	You know, those moments, Eric, where You're not saying your words.
	There's like this, you know, thing plugged into your head from the guy upstairs.
	And I just started saying stuff.
	And I said, Madam, I know you have to, you know, pay the rent, buy a new pair of shoes for your kids for the next semester at school.
	But at the end of the day, guess what?
	Who's going to be standing in front of God answering for your actions?
	Is it the hospital administrator or the surgeon who says, come and scrub in on this abortion, or is it you?
	And we have to say that hard stuff, don't we, Eric?
	Listen, this is the point.
	If the church would be the church, the title of the book is Letter to the American Church, but it was originally going to be titled Faith Without Works is Dead, because the point is for you to claim You're some kind of a Christian, and not to live it out sacrificially.
	You may lose a job, but you're supposed to trust God with your finances, with your life.
	You do what He calls you to do.
	When you have an opportunity to stand against wickedness, to make a point, to take a stand, and you don't, What do you think God says?
	What is He thinking?
	Do you actually believe?
	I mean, there's a great argument that you don't really believe, that you just sort of have these vague intellectual thoughts, but you're not willing to act on them.
	If you believe, you have to act on them.
	And this is what I'm trying to say to the American church in the book letter, to the American church in the film, that you must put your faith into action.
	And if you did, America would change.
	If people who call themselves Christians would live out their faith, and this is to my mind, America cannot be saved unless enough Christians decide, I'm going to live out my faith.
	America didn't come into being in the first place if enough Christians hadn't lived out their faith and been willing to risk their lives.
	That's a simple fact of history.
	My friend Austin Roos, who is a warrior for the unborn, he gave a speech recently based on his book where he said, and we're like listening to him at this Catholic event, he said, you know what?
	The transgender, the open border, the crime, the America hatred in the White House, there is no better time to be a Catholic or to be a Christian.
	Because guess what?
	He said, sainthoods are falling off the trees.
	You just have to reach up.
	So when it's the darkest is when we should be the most Christian, correct?
	And I also believe that the Lord has allowed these horrible things to happen to wake up His church.
	Because we've been sleepwalking and sleepwalking.
	It's no different.
	The German church, I mean the parallels are in my book, Letter to the American Church, but it's astonishing how similar the situation was in Germany.
	You had good people saying, oh, I'm a Christian, I just don't want to be the one who speaks
	out.
	I don't want to lose my job.
	We just want to keep playing church.
	And I think to myself, that's exactly what quote unquote Christians are saying in America.
	You're opening the door to evil.
	It's what the devil wants you to say.
	Right?
	But see, that's what's interesting.
	If you keep your faith, you know, compartmentalized.
	If you don't want to live your faith out in the public square, in the political, if you do that, you're doing the devil's bidding.
	That ought to be a chilling thing.
	Yes, but it's true.
	But that's exactly correct.
	The devil wants you to stay on the fence because he owns the fence.
	He doesn't want you to get off the fence and choose, even though everywhere we look there's a reason to say, now is the time to act.
	I love that.
	Think of that imagery, the devil owns the fence.
	He doesn't want you to get off the fence.
	This guy's so slick, I think you've sold a few books before.
	He's mentioned his own book already five times in this segment.
	It is The Letter to the American Church.
	It is now a movie at Epoch TV.
	Epoch TV.
	And also, you've got to listen to him, you've got to check out his podcast, follow him on Twitter, Eric Metaxas.
	We'll be back after these messages, but first, Relief Factor.
	It's real.
	It works.
	It is liberating over a million Americans across the nation right now.
	I had a lower back pain issue for nine years, almost a decade.
	I took Relief Factor not three weeks, two weeks later I was pain-free and as of January I am five years pain-free.
	That should be your story.
	Find out today, there's only one way.
	Order the three-week quick starter pack at relieffactor.com.
	It'll be at your door in three days or less.
	Take it morning, evening, just like I do.
	And I promise you, Dr. G's guarantee, by the end of those three weeks, You will know whether it works for you, like it works for me, and over a million of your fellow Americans.
	Don't delay.
	You owe it to yourself to find out if you could be the next success story.
	So call right now 1-800-4-RELIEF or go to relieffactor.com.
	Ask yourself one question.
	What do you have to lose?
	If the only answer to that question is the pain, well then you know what to do.
	Write this number down.
	1-800-4-RELIEF or go to reliefactor.com 800-4-RELIEF-RELIEFACTOR.COM
	www.reliefactor.com www.reliefactor.com
	Thanks for watching!
	you you
	Here's looking at you, Snowflake.
	America first.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	Welcome back.
	We are here with Eric Metaxas, the author of the book, A Letter to the American Church.
	Now a movie, Epic Times.
	Check it out right now and follow Eric at Eric Metaxas on Twitter and on his website.
	I love getting these opportunities to talk a little bit less politics, talk with our buddies.
	We had Chris de Gaulle on the show, Jennifer Horne.
	We're going to talk to Todd Starnes next.
	So we've got a couple of minutes left and I want to get personal.
	What is Eric Metaxas' spiritual routine?
	My spiritual routine.
	I'm not a man of routines.
	I change constantly.
	It's true.
	No, no, no.
	And I'm not really proud of that, but it's... I can relate.
	No, it's difficult for me, actually.
	It's quite difficult for me.
	So you don't say, I'm going to read the scripture this morning, do a little meditation.
	No, I do it differently in different seasons.
	Sometimes I will do it... Yeah, I get in different kinds of routines, but for me, I've always been that way with everything.
	Because if I do the same thing, it just doesn't work.
	So I have to find a time.
	I say it, it's kind of like exercise.
	Like people say, you know, what should I do for exercise?
	Find anything that works for you.
	It doesn't really matter what it is.
	Just do it.
	Just find a place.
	I have a very similar attitude to handguns.
	Where people say, what one should I buy?
	Whichever one you shoot accurately.
	I don't care.
	If you hit him with a .22 and miss him with a .44, buy a .22!
	Right?
	Whatever works for you.
	I think what's interesting to me, too, is that there's so many ways you can, like, sometimes watching certain preachers online, that's a devotional, right?
	And there are a number of wonderful preachers and voices that, you know, feed me.
	Dutch Sheets is one of them.
	He has an app called Give Him Fifteen.
	Fantastic That's a real name?
	Dutch Sheets. He is one of the most patriotic Christians.
	That sounds like something that Mike Lindell would sell.
	No, I know.
	Dutch Sheets.
	He has a normal, his brother has a normal name, Tim Sheets, but Dutch Sheets is somebody
	who is one of the greatest patriots of our time.
	Wow.
	And he knows that God has called him to pray for the nation, and so every day, if you go,
	it's give him 15, it's an app, but that is one that I go to time and time again.
	Right.
	It's beautiful.
	I'm not going to give you a percentage, honest.
	No.
	Give him 15, I'm going to check it as soon as we're off air.
	Of course I don't.
	And right now the book is A Letter to the American Church, also a film with Epic Times.
	God bless you, Eric.
	You are such a fighter, such a supporter of the president.
	If you too want to have America back, safety, prosperity, fly this flag above your home.
	It says, I stand with 45 Trump 2024.
	And tell them that we are living in a police state and we have to stop it.
	It's the number one item thanks to you, the FBI t-shirt.
	But this one says, Federal Bureau of Intimidation.
	Get that and so much more.
	All America First at SebGorkerStore.com, including the Dementia Joe Has Got to Go.
	That's the latest.
	S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A-Store.com.
	And please support the President directly at DonaldJTrump.com.
	That's DonaldJTrump.com.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First, coming to you live from the National Religious Broadcasters Convention in Nashville.
	Two hours down, one to go.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, stay on this channel.
	Thanks for watching!
	Please subscribe!
	Thanks for watching!
	you you
	america first Magnificent.
	I don't know if my production team puts enough effort into our marketing.
	You know, Dan Bongino's got his army, Todd Starnes got his Starnes country.
	What have I got?
	Mr. G, get to work.
	Think of something we can do to spice it up a little bit.
	But seriously, I am delighted.
	One more amazing patriot joining us today here from the National Religious Broadcasters Convention.
	In the biggest convention center in the known universe.
	Seriously, you need to get a GPS just to find where the restroom is.
	And we are with Todd Starnes now.
	We're going to discuss his latest book.
	I really don't know why my former boss, President Trump, would endorse a book.
	It's the top endorsement here because I'll just read you one chapter heading and then that'll be the teaser for the rest of the hour.
	Todd Starnes, who you may have heard of before, has a chapter in this book Are we X-rated, Jeff?
	I don't know.
	This is live, right?
	That says, butter my butt and call me a biscuit.
	We call it a bottom in England, but I think you get the gist.
	It's Twilight's Last Gleaming.
	We will discuss at length what that chapter is really about.
	Todd, great to have you on the show.
	I hear your ads all the time on my podcast about who's going to drop by the Todd Starnes show, who's going to have some iced tea.
	For those who are not familiar with your brand, what you do at Newsmax in Salem, tell us a little bit about Todd Starnes and how did you get into radio?
	You know, Dr. G, huge fan and love your show and it is what you're doing in talk radio is so important because you are not only educating and informing, you're also entertaining and you have the best bumper music of all talk radio hosts in America.
	I asked him about him and he's talking about me.
	But yes, I will concur we do have the best bumper music on the known planet.
	So I was born and raised in the South.
	Memphis, Tennessee is my hometown and everything I learned, all my values came from growing up in a small southern town.
	And my dream job growing up and even into my college years, I wanted to own a small town newspaper. That was my jam. I wanted to live the whole Mayberry
	existence and through a series of events ended up at Fox News Channel in New York City for 15
	years and just had a blast there.
	But was that like the golden era, the Ailes era? It was.
	And Roger and Roger's wife Beth Ailes, who is just a dear friend, Roger was really tuned into the
	kinds of stories I was writing about the culture, faith, and family.
	And those became really the benchmark of what I did at Fox for the longest time.
	And of course, after Fox, I came back home to Memphis and bought a News Talk radio station.
	Did you hear that?
	He just kind of casually bought it.
	He had some loose change in the sofa and he just bought one.
	So don't tell Dave Ramsey, but I cashed in my Fox pension.
	Oh no!
	We bought a talk radio station right as the pandemic was starting, and we turned it into a conservative blowtorch station.
	Of course, you are on your afternoon drive for us, and the Memphis audience loves you.
	Just huge audience.
	I might have to come and visit.
	Do you have a good cigar bar I could hang out at?
	Oh, we've got cigars.
	We have our own old Dominick's Distillery doing bourbon for the past hundred years, and we got great barbecue.
	Let's do it.
	Let's do it.
	I'll have my guys talk to your guys.
	We'll do it.
	Grace, get on that.
	So you do this flame of a radio station and then books as well?
	Yeah, so I love writing and I'm one of these odd ducks.
	I'm a born-again Christian.
	I am a true conservative.
	I've been a Trump supporter.
	I go back in time to when I was growing up.
	I would read books written by like Art Buchwald, who was a liberal, but he was really sort of funny.
	You know, he had this satire about him, and I was really intrigued by that.
	Molly Ivins, who hated George W. Bush, but she had this satire, and I noticed there were no conservatives really writing in that satirical form.
	And so I wanted to start doing that, and I really honed that craft at Fox, writing the column and really trying to infuse humor into some pretty serious topics, because Dr. G, as you know, there's so much chaos in the culture right now.
	I say it's, you know, back in the day I was writing a book, Miley Cyrus was, that was the year she did the wrecking ball, right?
	She mounted a wrecking ball.
	Yeah, naked!
	And, yes!
	And meanwhile, poor Phil Robertson was defending traditional marriage, our friend from Duck Dynasty.
	And I thought, here we are, you know, right is wrong, wrong is right.
	Our values are literally turned upside down in this country.
	But why don't we, you mentioned humor, why don't conservatives get the power of humor?
	Because the left does.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Is there something that just doesn't compute for us in the culture war that we don't understand the power of satire?
	I mean, God bless the Babylon Bee, but we need more than one.
	One of my favorite chapters in the book, I actually have a CNN news script, and it's all fabricated, but it's the night of the rapture.
	And so the end of it, you realize the only people left to report on it are CNN and MSNBC.
	Well, they can't report on it either because, you know, I worked at Fox for a long time.
	The most conservative people anywhere in media are the cameramen.
	So they wouldn't even have the cameramen.
	Right?
	No, you're right.
	Look, this is so crazy.
	I would be at Fox.
	I would do a hit with Hannity and I'd come off the set and the electrician, you know, the audio guys would like, hey, I just want you to know I'm a conservative.
	And I'm like, dude, you don't have to whisper that in this building.
	You do, you know.
	You do, you do.
	And it's the people who have the real jobs, right?
	They actually move staff, their back aches at the end of the day.
	They always, interestingly, they're conservatives, Todd.
	Yes, they are.
	And you know, it's interesting, with KWAM, we turned it into a conservative news talk.
	What was it when you bought it?
	Oh my gosh, it was pay-for-play, far leftist.
	They actually had a black LGBT show sponsored by Planned Parenthood.
	I bet that was really popular.
	Your neck of the woods.
	Well, I told the owners, I said, I cannot buy this station if that show is still on the air.
	So they had to literally cut that show before I would agree to buy the station.
	God bless.
	And they did.
	But you know what?
	We have a great news department.
	Everybody's conservative, but we treat the news fair and balanced.
	We have more Democrats wanting to come on locally in Memphis to talk about the issues because they know that we're going to be able to have a good conversation about it.
	In what way?
	Is it a real conversation?
	What side of the issues are they on?
	I'm curious.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And we're talking radical progressive Democrats in Memphis.
	They control Memphis.
	And, you know, we're one of the deadliest cities in America.
	And the reason why is the City Council declared the war on cops.
	We have a George Soros DA installed.
	And so one of the things that we did was we just speak the truth to both parties.
	And they'll come on your show talk?
	They come on the show.
	More than once?
	Oh yeah.
	As a matter of fact, we had election night coverage.
	The chairperson of the Democrat Party came on our election night coverage and she said, you treated me fairly and I'm willing to have that debate.
	Here's my thought, and I think a lot of people understand this concept.
	I'm willing to go and have those debates because I believe our beliefs are going to trump everybody else's.
	But the question is, can you get them to come on your show?
	Because, you know, it's like when Tucker had his Fox show, you know, you realize that the first time the lefty comes on, he's never coming back because Tucker just skewers him.
	Right, right.
	Well, yes.
	And that has been a problem on the national show.
	And we can't even get the Democrats, we can't even get the atheists to show up.
	And but they don't have a sense of humor.
	So no, it's unfortunate.
	Well, I would love to see that.
	The book is Twilight's Last Gleaming.
	Can America be saved?
	The answer is, really, it's up to you.
	Whenever I go to these events, I have people come up to me and say, are we going to win?
	Are we going to win?
	And I say, well, don't ask me what are you doing about it.
	What's your answer?
	Because I say, it's up to you.
	It is.
	And we talk about, can America be saved?
	We've got to get back to the basic foundational truths of our country.
	We've got to get back to those founding father principles.
	And if we do that, the country can be saved.
	Right, we're going to find out next.
	This is what I think... I don't never... I never do this.
	I have friends in radio who do this.
	They leave you hanging on tenterhooks, and it is tenterhooks.
	They do a little tease.
	I don't do that because I just... I'm an amateur.
	I've only been doing this for five years.
	But if you don't keep listening after the break, you'll never know what Butter My Button Call Me A Biscuit is about, okay?
	So you better stay on America First with our buddy Todd Starnes.
	Toddstarnes.com.
	Follow him at Todd Starnes.
	The book available right now for pre-order.
	The very first endorsement at the top is President Trump, is Twilight's Last Gleaming.
	Can America Be Sazed?
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	Don't forget.
	The third hour of the show is the deep dive, the long form, with the real experts, the true newsmakers like Todd.
	Never, ever miss the long form.
	I love it.
	It's, nobody does, on television you've got like seven minutes to discuss Russia, Afghanistan, it's insane.
	If you love long form, and if you're in a market that doesn't have the third hour, move.
	Okay, until you can move, make sure you subscribe to the podcast, whichever platform doesn't matter to me, Salem, Stitcher, the Apple, Spotify, plug in my name Sebastian Gorka, leave us a five-star review, and share the links with your friends.
	That's how we get the truth out there.
	And then, of course, if you want prosperity, if you want safety, if you want a border back, We've got to turn 45 into 47.
	It's up to us.
	It's really that simple.
	Tell the world whose side you're on.
	Fly the I stand with 45 flag.
	Trump 2024 above your home.
	And then, we know what's happening.
	Fannie Willis, Engeron, Jack Smith.
	The FBI t-shirt that says fascist Bureau of Intimidation.
	Tell the world whose side you're on.
	All that and more all of my books at SebGorkerStore.com and you can support the president directly at DonaldJTrump.com.
	We'll be back with my buddy Todd Starnes after these messages.
	Thanks for watching!
	You You
	If you are in voting you automatically have fraud Okay, well there's mail-in voting in Florida and you won huge.
	If you have it, you're going to have it.
	But you won't.
	Because you don't have any.
	When you go into a voting place, like you go into one in a properly run state, they
	look at you, they give you voter ID, you give all sorts of identification.
	I mean, it would be very hard to cheat in a mass gathering.
	When you send out millions, like California, I think they sent out 36 million ballots.
	They don't have a voting booth in the whole place.
	And then millions of ballots come back.
	Nobody knows where they're coming from.
	But what are you gonna do about it? The way you win is by swamping them
	The way you win is by swamping them.
	You gotta have... and we're gonna swamp...
	We've got to mobilize patriots so it doesn't matter how much they try and cheat in November, we win.
	We are back from the National Broadcasters Convention in Nashville.
	We're on the road with America First, talking to all our buddies this hour.
	Todd Starnes.
	Todd, you watched the town hall last night.
	Yeah.
	Didn't he do well?
	He did so great.
	I mean, it's really remarkable.
	You know, the argument coming from Nikki Haley is that, oh, Trump is old, he's tired.
	No, this guy, he can run laps around everybody.
	No teleprompter, no notes.
	She had her little notes there, you know, Laura Ingraham, he had nothing.
	Boom, boom, boom.
	All right, on that issue of November.
	Yeah.
	How do you feel?
	How do you feel?
	Well, look, I think the president's right.
	We have to swamp them at the ballot box.
	Yes, there are going to be shenanigans, no doubt about that, but the reality is we're not getting out to vote.
	When you only have 20 percent of evangelical Christian voters going out and voting on election day, that's a big problem.
	Is that changing?
	Because we are here at this event.
	What are you seeing?
	What are you hearing?
	So this is the concern I have, and I write about this in the book.
	I'm concerned that many of the larger churches are disengaging from the culture.
	I call them woke evangelicals.
	These are young people who have bought into this idea of Christian nationalism, all of these fake accusations.
	And I'm concerned that the churches are disengaging.
	They don't like that fake thing.
	The Christian nationalist boogeyman.
	Therefore, they're retreating.
	That, and they're afraid of offending.
	They don't want the the alphabet activists coming after them.
	And look, the Catholics are dealing with this.
	I'm a Southern Baptist.
	My denomination is the second largest outside of the Catholics.
	When you have those two denominations in turmoil, you've got big problems.
	Because the culture, you know, these people are supposed to be speaking truth into the culture.
	Yes.
	And they're not doing it.
	So, let's hear about your experience, because for me, COVID was a kind of wake-up call.
	Because the church I was going to at the time, they went woke.
	Masks?
	I mean, you know, every mass, they would say at the beginning, and if you don't want to come in for communion, Father will come outside to the annex afterwards.
	And you're thinking, hang on a second.
	Sorry, is this the Fauci church?
	What's going on here?
	If there's any place that should be standing up with courage, it should be our churches.
	What's your community been doing?
	It's the same issue with us, where you would have, even in Mississippi, just over the line, the state line, there was a situation in Mississippi where a bunch of Baptists were actually meeting in the church parking lot for services.
	The police were summoned and every person sitting in a car, and most of them were elderly,
	were given tickets.
	This is happening in the southern states.
	And it just, it's deeply concerning.
	And again, my fear was not the China virus pandemic.
	My fear was our reaction to it.
	That's the bigger concern I had.
	You talk about it in your book.
	It's new.
	You've got to preorder it right now.
	Twilight's Last Gleaming with the top endorsement by President Trump.
	You talk about the trans issue.
	I like to test this on people who are not in my locale, which is the swamp, because
	I may be seeing it a little bit too rose-tinted.
	I have a sense, Todd.
	That the transgender issue, to use the vernacular, is the biggest red pill for tens of millions of people who otherwise don't see themselves as political.
	But when they hear what's going on at Boston's Children's Hospital, what's going on in Virginia, Fairfax County, the local Democrat school board said kindergarten If you mispronoun a transgender child, you can be suspended.
	I think this is going to be a massive catalyst.
	For you?
	I'm with you on that.
	We just had a story up on the website.
	I wrote about this high school basketball team in Massachusetts.
	Yes.
	You had the three girls that were injured by this six foot tall man with, you know, facial hair.
	And I think the average American sees this and they're saying, this is unacceptable.
	This, we cannot tolerate this in America.
	And Dr. G, I think it goes back to, you know, what is the root cause of this?
	And we have, we came to a point in society where we said there's no such thing as absolute truth.
	Yeah.
	And I love to illustrate it like this, you know, I tell people when I get up in front of a crowd, I say, I'm Todd Stearns, I'm Translender.
	That may be what I identify as, but I'm still not getting into a pair of skinny jeans.
	That's the truth.
	That's the reality of it.
	Translender.
	I'm going to have to remember that one.
	So, if you think...
	Charlie Kirk said, I think it was like a year ago, at a religious event, not a Turning Point one.
	I want to run this past you because it kind of shook me because I said, oh my gosh, she's so right.
	And he was talking about this fake woman, the Pennsylvania swimmer, right?
	Will Thomas, who says he's Leah.
	And he said, where are the men?
	At that swim meet, every father in the bleachers, when they saw Will Thomas in a female swimsuit, should have stood up, not get physical, but make a wall around the swimming pool and say, that man does not get in that pool with my daughter.
	Isn't that a good question from Charlie?
	I think it's a great question.
	And Charlie does a really remarkable and masterful job of really illustrating the problem here.
	And that goes back into this whole toxic masculinity.
	I think we're raising a generation of men Not to behave as men.
	That is a problem.
	So I appreciate Charlie and the work of TPUSA as they're out there trying to fight this in the culture.
	But where are the men?
	Are they saying it's too... I have to be polite?
	Yeah, you know, look at the fella in New York City, Penny, Daniel Penny.
	Yes, the Marine.
	He got involved.
	He saw something going down and he rushed into the danger zone.
	Look at the guys in Kansas City and look what they did.
	They call that toxic.
	I just call it being a man and doing what a man ought to be doing.
	I think as Jordan Peterson says, it is essential for a man to be dangerous, to control But we're necessary to be dangerous because you are the last line of defense.
	That's what we're talking about today.
	The classic cultures upon which our Judeo-Christian civilization is founded.
	The book with the President's endorsement, you know, the real one, is Twilight's Last Gleaming from Todd Starnes.
	Pre-order it right now.
	Follow him at Todd Starnes on Twitter, toddstarnes.com.
	And, you know, Give me a follow while you're at it on social media.
	We're on every platform that matters.
	Look for Seb Gorka or Sebastian Gorka on Truth Social, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Parler, Getter, and don't forget you can watch us.
	We're a TV show as well on your Roku, your Fire Stick as of December, your Samsung Plus device, or just download the Salem News Channel app.
	And if you want to find out why I'm getting some flack on social media, read my latest piece on my Substack.
	Original content by me and direct access to me.
	Getting a lot of great, great comments from you guys.
	That's my whole name, SebastianGorka.Substack.com.
	SebastianGorka.Substack.com.
	And don't forget to subscribe to the podcast.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	We'll be back with you after these messages.
	Thanks for watching.
	you you
	here's looking at you snowflake America first.
	Back with our translender buddy Todd Starnes here on America First from our mobile reliefactor.com studios.
	How about one way that you help America?
	How about this?
	It's the easiest thing you can do.
	Buy American.
	Don't go to Amazon and buy Chinese garbage that breaks after three days.
	Go to mypillow.com.
	Mike hasn't just sold 81 million of the pillow that never gets hot, never loses shape.
	He's got over 200 other items, including Pet beds.
	Why did Titus, my new canine, steal Killian's MyPillow pet bed?
	Because it's just too comfy.
	Or whether it's the sheepskin line slippers that I slip on as soon as I get home.
	So many items with up to 66% off if you use my name.
	Buy American from a great patriot.
	Go to mypillow.com, promo code G-O-R-K-A.
	Not only up to 66% off, but also Free shipping, because you're my listener.
	MyPillow.com, promo code G-O-R-K-A.
	We were talking in the break, Todd, about you going to Mar-a-Lago to interview the president for your new book, Twilight's Last Gleaming, and how much fun you had there.
	And I told this story in the break that I've got to tell again, because...
	People don't believe this stuff about him, and the left will deny it.
	He's 20 minutes late for my meeting, because he's a busy guy.
	And I'm waiting in the ante room to his office, and this waiter pops in with a malted vanilla milkshake.
	Which happens to be, if I'm on death row, I want a porterhouse and a malted vanilla milkshake.
	That's a good meal.
	And the waiter says, the president would like you to have this, it's his favorite milkshake, while I'm waiting.
	And you go, How does he do it?
	He's got time for me waiting to have a milkshake?
	I mean, what was your interview like?
	It was fascinating.
	They told me initially, you're only going to be able to get 10 or 15 minutes.
	You went to Mar-a-Lago for a 10-minute interview?
	Heck yeah.
	If it had been a five-minute interview, I would have been at Mar-a-Lago.
	So I fly down there, and the president right away We just sort of connected and that 10-minute interview turned into almost two hours.
	Wow!
	And it was just fascinating watching him work and I remember one point... Was he doing the music on his iPad?
	He was doing that and I think he was like calling in people.
	It wasn't just like a sit-down and we're asking Q&A.
	It was like he was multitasking.
	At one point I think I may have written an endorsement for Glenn Youngkin.
	I don't know.
	How dare you!
	I know, it was a good endorsement though.
	And then he goes, you know, he goes, you look thirsty, would you like a Diet Coke?
	And he says, I know you like a Diet Coke because only skinny people drink the Coke.
	So I'm like, thank you, Mr. President.
	But he was fascinating and he was real.
	And it was really, I was just so impressed how he's able to multitask on a non-human level.
	And that is the man who truly is going to make America great again.
	And that's what I came away with, you know, when I left Mar-a-Lago.
	Read about it in the new book, Twilight's Last Gleaming.
	All right, talk about one chapter in the book that kind of shocks me about the South going woke.
	Tell me it's not true, Todd.
	I'm afraid it is, Dr. G.
	I got an emergency call from my uncle Jerry in Coldwater, Mississippi.
	My Aunt Lynn was in charge of church security at the Methodist Church.
	She also plays the organ.
	Only woman who can play Amazing Grace and squeeze off a couple of rounds without missing a beat.
	And he said, Todd, you gotta come home.
	They're serving tofu in the barbecue joint at Memphis.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	And unsweet tea, which is a heresy.
	So anyway, I wrote this chapter about how I call it culture creep, and it's like kudzu.
	And in the South, if you know anything about the South, whenever kudzu grows on something, it just sucks the life right out of it.
	That's what the liberals do.
	But in the South of all places?
	Come on!
	Don't you have like antibodies?
	We have cast iron skillets, and we're not afraid to use them, but I tell the story in the book about Governor Mike Huckabee, a dear friend of ours.
	He was invited to be on the Country Music Foundation, and the whole point of the foundation is to raise money to buy musical instruments for kids who are not well off and don't have the resources.
	And the heads of the country music labels pitched a fit and an uproar, and they said, no, someone with Mike Huckabee's values is not welcome in country music.
	So Christian Patriot is not compatible with country and western music, Todd?
	Gun-toting, Bible-clinging, flag-waving.
	Guitar-playing.
	Yeah, deplorables.
	Yeah, we're not welcome in country music.
	So what happened?
	So the governor graciously bowed out.
	Again, he didn't want to take away from the important mission.
	The governor grew up in Hope, Arkansas, and that was his way out, was music.
	So he graciously backed off.
	But I contend that we can't do that anymore.
	We have to stand our ground, and we have to fight.
	And that really is the message of the book.
	It is a hopeful message, because I do believe that we're going to be able to take back this country, Dr. G.
	Well, it's up to us, as I say, with regularity on my show.
	If not you, then who?
	If not now, then when?
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First.
	I've got an idea for my buddy.
	If Dennis Prager can do it, if I can do it!
	If Mr. G, my producer, can do it, so can Todd Starnes.
	It is the amazing services of Dr. Ashley Lucas and her MyPhD team.
	I lost 42 pounds in just a matter of months.
	My muse lost 36.
	Our colleague Mike Gallagher lost 53 pounds and kept them off.
	He looks amazing.
	No scary injections, no pills to pop, just a system with five meals a day that helps you burn the fat.
	I am down, listen to this, I am down to a size 36 in my blue jeans.
	I haven't been that since I was in my 20s.
	Do you have any idea how good that feels?
	And you know me, I've got a wicked sweet tooth.
	I love my fried food, so if I can do it, anyone can.
	Find out today.
	Go to myphdweightloss.com.
	Just look at the before and after pictures.
	Mine is scary.
	It'll tell you everything you need to know.
	Or call Dr. Lucas' amazing team, 864-644-1900.
	It's crucial that you be healthy.
	Yeah, you've got to exercise.
	Yes, you've got to eat right.
	But if you're carrying the extra poundage, That is an issue as well.
	Call today!
	today 864-644-1900 myphdweightloss.com myphdweightloss.com myphdweightloss.com
	myphdweightloss.com myphdweightloss.com
	Yeah, Brianna what we've learned is that President Biden himself
	personally instructed some of his top campaign aides to be even more aggressive
	in highlighting some of President Trump's more inflammatory and wild comments.
	We are told that the thrust of the president's direction was to significantly ramp up the campaign's efforts to highlight the crazy s*** that Trump says in public.
	That's strange.
	CNN using foul language live on air.
	Is that allowed?
	And then saying that Biden used that language.
	Todd Starnes, do you remember when the prior president said something quite accurate about certain nations around the world and the mainstream corporate media?
	Their hair lit on fire.
	Oh, yeah.
	Huge, huge.
	But this is the guy bringing decency back to the White House.
	Oh yeah, decency and unifying the nation.
	We're talking to our buddy Todd Starnes.
	Follow him right now at toddstarnes.com or on Twitter at Todd Starnes.
	And if three hours of radio with me, with Todd, with our buddies on Salem isn't enough, then join us for the Patriots Alaska Cruise.
	This July 4th weekend we'll be in the most beautiful state of the Union.
	I've never been to Alaska.
	I've never even been on a cruise.
	200 cabins already booked.
	Guys, you better hurry, especially if you missed our trip to the Holy Land a year ago.
	We took 350 of our dearest listeners to the Holy Land.
	It was incredible.
	Join us for this trip.
	Check out the amazing itinerary at SebGorka.com and reserve your cabin today.
	If you reserve early right now, $50 off this week.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A, SebGorka.com and the Patriots Alaska Cruise Banner.
	Alright, so I know Todd from everything, the way you talk about it.
	And the fact that he just bought his own radio station.
	That he loves radio.
	I've told this story once or twice before how I got into radio after listening to it since I was like six years old and a little plastic transistor radio.
	I went to my publisher's, Regnery, for their 75th birthday party.
	I don't like these things but I thought, you've published three of my books, I'm gonna go to your party.
	And I get there, And there's this tall guy standing at the entrance, taller than me, looking awkward, looking like he doesn't like parties either.
	And he says, Hi, my name's Phil.
	Hey, Phil.
	And he says, Have you ever thought about doing radio?
	And I thought, Yeah, very funny.
	And then he gave me his card, Vice President of Radio for Salem, which, by the way, had just bought my publishing company that I didn't know.
	And then he auditions me and eventually I get the radio show.
	And I'm like, This is heaven.
	I've been on the other side of the speaker for 50 years and now I'm in front of the microphone.
	Why do you love radio so much you bought your own station, Todd?
	So, for me it's all about local and I remember being back home and got caught up in a severe storm and I turned to the local news talk station and I mean it was bad.
	Power out, flooding.
	And they were not even doing the story.
	And I was flipping the dial, and nobody was talking about the big story that was happening in Memphis.
	So it was that day I said, you know, somebody needs to buy a radio station.
	And honest to goodness, this is a complete God thing.
	A few months later, I was still at Fox.
	We were negotiating the contract, going back and forth, and David Limbaugh was my agent.
	Oh, he's the best.
	Rush is, brother, the best.
	And so anyway, I got a call out of the blue and somebody said, hey, I heard through the grapevine that you're looking to buy a radio station in Memphis.
	And I said, well, yeah.
	How did you know?
	He goes, well, it doesn't matter, but I've got a radio station for sale.
	And Fox wasn't going to let me buy the station.
	And then the contract went belly up.
	And the very next day I called and said, I'm in.
	Flew to Memphis.
	The pandemic was getting underway.
	And I gotta tell you, Seb, I love radio because of that connection with the callers.
	One of the favorite things I love is when you take the calls from the listeners.
	And it's that connection.
	And you don't get that on a podcast or television.
	You only get that on radio.
	No, absolutely true, absolutely true.
	And I've got to ask you, what is it that makes it so different?
	Because you understand television, and I was telling to my buddy Chris de Gaulle that I've got a TV show, you're on Newsmax as well, and I love it, don't get me wrong, Chris Ruddy, I love you, okay?
	But it's a different thing, it's a different animal.
	It is.
	Radio is real.
	It is.
	And the reason I love taking callers is I love the spontaneity.
	You never know where that conversation is going to go.
	Or whether you have to reach for the dump button.
	Yes.
	But, you know, just the, you know, for us, it's breaking news.
	You know, whenever, you know, we had a situation where you had the pro-Hamas mob shut down the Mississippi River Bridge.
	We did live programming, live coverage on that Sunday.
	And people would call in and they say, we're so glad you're the only people talking about these things.
	And why is it, I've got my own theory, we talked about it in the break and that's why, you know, you can watch us discuss stuff in the break on Rumble.
	Why is it that despite trying for 50, 60 years, the left has never, we talked about Combs, but Combs is like the outlier.
	Left-wing talk radio never ever made it big.
	The reality is they have no sense of humor.
	And that is probably more tragic than anything.
	You can say what you want to about me, but I'm going to laugh.
	I love to laugh at myself.
	I'll tell you this morning, something happened at the hotel here at the Gaylord.
	I was brushing my teeth and all of a sudden my lips went numb.
	I thought, oh my gosh, I'm having a medical condition.
	And then I thought for just a split second, why does my toothpaste not taste minty fresh?
	And then I looked down and I had been brushing my teeth with a cortisone tube.
	I mean, you gotta be... Don't put the Tabasco in your wash kit, okay?
	Or the cortisol, don't.
	This guy has a sense of humor.
	We all need to have a sense of humor.
	Because what did Reagan teach us?
	What did Raj teach us?
	Happy Warriors, guys!
	Come on, that's the secret.
	And every single one of us has a role to play.
	Even those who think, no, I don't do politics.
	If you have a cell phone, guess what?
	You're doing politics.
	If you're connected to one of the big cell phone providers, you're helping the other side.
	I'm sorry, it's a fact.
	The big cell phone providers donate millions of dollars every year to Planned Parenthood.
	The gun control organizations, the foundations who are censoring and trying to cancel conservatives.
	Don't fund your enemies with every call you make and every text you send.
	Switch to the good guys today.
	There's only one Christian conservative cell phone company in the nation.
	It's the one I use, Patriot Mobile.
	They have the same nationwide coverage, a performance guarantee, extra discounts for veterans and first responders, and guess what?
	They're conservatives, and they love America like you do.
	Switch today.
	You keep your old number, keep your old phone, or get an upgrade, but don't fund those who hate America.
	MyPatriotMobile.com slash G-O-R-K-8.
	Switch today.
	It really is that easy, or just call 972-PATRIOT.
	That's 972-PATRIOT.
	We're here at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention in Nashville with our mobile ReliefFactor.com studios with our buddy Todd Starnes.
	ReliefFactor.
	It's real.
	It works.
	I love Salem.
	Why?
	Salem says to the hosts, You know what?
	You get to choose your advertisers.
	I didn't believe it when they first said that to me.
	They said, you can refuse.
	And that's why me, Mr. G, you're never going to hear me hawking those little blue pills or the hair ointments, if you know what I mean.
	I only advertise things that are real, that help people, and that work, like Relief Factor.
	Over a million people right now Are being liberated from their daily pain thanks to this product, and I'm one of them.
	If you've tried everything else and failed to find relief, order the three-week quick starter pack right now at relieffactor.com.
	It'll be at your door in three days or less.
	Take it morning and evening like I do, and I promise you, Dr. G's guarantee, by the end of those three weeks, you will know whether it works for you like it works for me and over half of your fellow Americans.
	Ask yourself one very simple question.
	What do I have to lose?
	If the answer to that question is simply the pain, you know what to do.
	Write this number down.
	1-800-4-RELIEF, reliefactor.com.
	relief relief factor calm that's 800-473-5433 relief factor calm
	oh gosh that's it's the one where she's being filmed from the side
	That's it.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the Eugene Carroll one.
	Just so you know.
	Okay, that's good.
	That's fine.
	All right.
	90 seconds.
	Okay, mics on.
	So what's it like to run a radio station?
	You know, I'm having a blast.
	It's a lot of fun.
	Dealing with employees is a little, you know, that took some, you know, I've never had to do that before.
	But I got a great team.
	Did you bring your own or did you inherit?
	I got rid of everybody, yeah.
	So they're all liberals.
	And so everybody who works for me is a conservative, even my chief engineer.
	Was it hard to find them?
	How did you do that?
	I was praying.
	I'm like, God, I need an engineer.
	That was the biggest problem.
	The station was always known for being off the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	It was always on the air.
	And so.
	Magnificent.
	I can't believe it's almost over.
	That's outrageous.
	Three hours of live radio coming to you from Nashville.
	Let's ask the important question.
	Are you into science fiction, Todd Starnes?
	I am into science fiction, Dr. G. Good.
	We're talking about your engineer, big Trekkie, big Star Trek fan.
	Chuck Condred.
	Even for Halloween, our staff dresses up, he came dressed as Spock.
	And he had his own, like, the recorder thing.
	The tricorder!
	The tricorder, yes.
	So what are you into?
	Because I know Jeff is listening in D.C., my executive producer, and he loves science fiction.
	Right, Jeff?
	I am a... He hates it.
	I am a huge... I love Star Trek.
	That's huge.
	I like Star Wars... But the original series.
	The original, yes.
	Kirk... Right.
	And of course, look, I was in junior high school when Empire Strikes Back came out.
	So, you know, me and my nerd buddies, we were reading the paperback, you know, Empire Strikes Back novel.
	That was the rage.
	So, Star Wars or Empire?
	Let's get to the really meaty question.
	Wow, so I will say Empire.
	Wow, because it's more Shakespearean, right?
	Yeah, I like the storytelling, but look, Star Trek, I loved how they were doing with the new movies coming out, but I'm still old school.
	I love the original.
	Love it, love it, love it.
	Okay, we've got two minutes left with Todd Starnes.
	Get the book.
	It will recharge your batteries as a patriot.
	The number one endorsement on the back is President Trump.
	He went to Mar-a-Lago to interview him for it.
	Twilight's last gleaming.
	Why?
	Do we never give up on America, Todd?
	We can't.
	There's nowhere else to go.
	We are, as I write in the book, we are freedom's last stand.
	We have to be willing to stand up and fight.
	And this is all hands on deck.
	We need everybody in the fight.
	And as Ronald Reagan said, we don't pass our freedom down through our bloodstream.
	Every generation has to fight.
	And that's really where I came up with the idea for the book.
	A speech he delivered about our national anthem, saying it asks questions.
	It's not a declaration.
	It's a question.
	Is the flag still flying?
	And that is a question that all of us, every generation, has to ask.
	Meaning, every single one listening to that anthem, everyone who's singing it, has a role to play in keeping the Republic alive, correct?
	That's right.
	And that's why on KWAM, every day at noon, we do not play the top of the hour news.
	We play the national anthem.
	And we invite the entire city to stop what they're doing, stand up, and put their hand over their hearts and sing that national anthem.
	Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
	It's already been sold.
	We will be visiting KWAM.
	We will be having cigars.
	Follow this man, Todd Starnes, toddstarnes.com.
	And the book is Twilight's Last Gleaming.
	If we want that America back, we have to take a stand.
	It's up to us.
	Do we want 45 to be 47?
	God willing, it is your job to make that happen.
	Fly the flag.
	I stand with 45 outside of your home.
	Get the t-shirt that tells the world whose side you're on.
	FBI, the Federal Bureau of Intimidation, all my books, from Defeating Jihad to Why We Fight and the War for America's Soul, available at sebgorkastore.com.
	Make sure you are the catalyst for change and to wrest back the republic from those who are trying to destroy it, and support the president directly at donaldjtrump.com.
	God bless you all.
	I'll be back in studio in the swamp tomorrow!
	Thank you.

▲