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One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, Well, sir, if we don't pay and we're attacked by Russia, will you protect us?
I said, You didn't pay?
You're delinquent?
He said, Yes.
Let's say that happened.
No, I would not protect you.
In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want.
You got to pay.
You got to pay your bills.
How long was that cut, John?
That was like super short, right?
What was that?
22 seconds?
22 seconds.
Quite a hubbub.
I had to get up, before I usually get up this morning, to go on British television, to explain that to a Conservative, allegedly, a Tory, Member of Parliament who has a TV show, who said, oh my gosh!
If President Trump comes back, he's going to destroy NATO!
I said, no, that's called the art of the deal.
I've been involved in NATO issues.
Well, I joined the British Territorial Army in 1989, so we can date it from there, kind of.
And then I worked on NATO issues in the Hungarian Ministry of Defence after the fall of communism.
That was my job.
And then I was a NATO Partnership for Peace Fellow at the NATO Defence College in Rome.
And then on and on and on until the White House.
And even when I started this stuff in the 90s, already there was something called the NATO Freeloader Syndrome, meaning the vast number of countries in the alliance, more than the...
Half of them, more than half of them, that simply don't pay their dues.
Simply do not follow through on their promises.
Whether it's specific NATO target force goals, or the promise that their heads of state make to spend at least 2% of their GDP, their gross domestic product, on their defence.
Basically, they welch.
They expect America to make up the difference.
It's like being in a club where two-thirds of the members don't pay their dues and the richest guy is supposed to pay for everybody.
President Trump said, quite rightly, first president in, what, 50 years to fix it, said, guys, we're not going to help you unless you pull your weight.
And what happened?
And I can assure you, the Secretary General of NATO was very grateful.
Within a matter of weeks, billions of dollars flooded into NATO from those who were recalcitrant freeloaders.
That's how we strengthened the Alliance.
Hardball!
He wrote a book called The Art of the Deal.
And then you have people like Chris Christie, Well, we're just scumbags.
Cut 13.
This is the failure who will always be a failure.
Here's twisting of that incredibly successful policy.
This is why I've been saying for a long time that he's unfit to be president of the United States.
Now, it's one thing, and I think it's right for a president to say to a NATO member, hey, you've got to pay the dues you need to pay.
I think the American people would expect that of a president.
But the problem with Donald Trump is he can't just stop there.
He's got to say, I would encourage Russia to do whatever the hell they wanted to you.
That is absolutely inappropriate for a President of the United States or a candidate for President of the United States to be saying, but it is consistent with his love for dictators.
It's inappropriate.
Do you think it poses a national security risk to make that kind of a comment?
What poses a national security risk is the possibility that he could be president of the United States again.
That's what poses the national security risk.
Hey Jeff, I'm confused.
He calls President Trump a national security risk.
Didn't Chris Christie beg to be in our Trump administration?
Yeah, that might be probably why he's doing part of this, too, because he wasn't part of the Trump administration.
And that's why he's on MSNBC, right?
Yeah, and he loves it.
He's all over the place now, again.
Is he going to have a political future?
Are you going to keep making cuts of him for my show?
He's going to stick around from now until the election, I think.
And then is he going to disappear?
No, he'll do something.
He'll figure something out.
Let's stay on this topic.
Don from Los Angeles, line one.
Dr. G, Rolling Thunder on the right.
How are you today?
I'm good.
It's a Monday.
I'm feeling rather good for a Monday.
What's your comment?
What's your question?
Are you there?
Gosh.
Yes.
Hi, Don.
What's your comment?
What's your question?
Are we having a communication problem?
No, no.
I got you.
I just lost you for a second.
Oh, gosh.
Yeah, I can't hear you.
Keep talking.
We can hear you.
Keep talking.
Yeah, we've had this problem every decade.
I know Kennedy, you know, is talking about, you know, Europeans living on the fat of the land, etc.
And then Kissinger made a brilliant statement in the 70s, he said, if you guys want to do it differently, we can go our separate ways, but we'll pursue our security interests without regard to yours.
Yeah.
The fact is, because we are not just a superpower, we're a hyperpower, to quote a French analyst, because we have the world's biggest arsenal of nuclear weapons, so many states just did a kind of, you know, calculation.
America will come to our aid.
We don't have to pitch in.
We'll just freeload.
And President Trump, who's a businessman and an American patriot, says, no, this ends now.
You want to be in our club?
You've got to pay your dues.
You're so right, Don.
This has been going on since at least the time of Kennedy.
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Mike Gallagher.
Remember we had Mike Gallagher on this show to talk about all the hate mail he received because they thought he was the Mike Gallagher from Congress.
I need Jeff to help me out here.
Are you shocked, Jeff, That Mike Gallagher has resigned from Congress, said he's not running again after the heat that we and MAGA gave him this last week.
I'm more shocked at his reasoning.
Did you see the statement about the founding fathers?
You know what I loved?
The deployment.
He kept saying, it was like a four sentence thing and he said, when I deploy to Washington D.C.
and this deployment is over and deployment, deployment.
He's a member of Congress.
I know he's a former Marine, but really Jeff, his deployment to D.C.? ?
But I am shocked that he just didn't try and let it blow over for a couple weeks and then just rerun.
I'm actually very surprised.
So what do you think?
Do you have a theory why he did it?
I gave him real hell on Twitter.
I think he said, if Dr. G's had it with me, I better go.
What do you think?
That's the best theory I can come up with because I can't come up with anything else.
And the other thing is, what else am I missing on?
Oh, yeah.
How about this?
How desperate are they?
When you reward people who are really, really ineffectual, it means you're desperate.
Alex, do you know who just got a promotion in the Biden administration?
Did you follow this in the last 24 hours?
No, who?
Kabul Kirby.
Do you believe that?
Kabul Kirby.
The man who says, everything's fine, nothing to see, no problem, Kabul was great.
Woke as him in the military, not a problem.
Kabul Kirby, the disgrace to the uniform he once wore as an admiral, has been promoted to assistant to the president.
That's like, you know, cabinet level stuff there.
A guy who's bad at his job.
Just got a promotion.
What does that mean?
It means they're in big, big trouble.
Just as the HUR special counsel report, 388 pages, proved positive that the current incumbent in the White House committed multiple felonies as vice president and senator by quote, willfully retaining hundreds, yes, it's actually hundreds of classified documents, sharing them with his ghost writer, and storing them in Ripped cardboard Zappos boxes in his garage in his office in Chinatown.
There is desperation in the White House.
Oh, and just one last thing that is rather important.
Lloyd Austin is back in intensive care this time with apparently another ailment that's unrelated to his cancer treatment but this time he has handed over control of the department of defense to his deputy things are crumbling things are crumbling and that press conference last week i think it marks the beginning of the end oh he's back don in los angeles have we fixed your you need do you have a patriot mobile phone what a technical difficulty but i'm back talking to the rolling thunder on the right
Alright, so we were talking about NATO, the President's comments in South Carolina.
Carry on and finish your thoughts.
What's going on?
I can't hear you, Dr. G. Are you serious?
What's going on here?
We're being punked by one of our good friends.
Alright, stay on the line, talk to him.
Okay, can you hear me now, Don?
Yes, perfectly, thank God.
Don't touch anything, don't move, okay?
Just talk.
Pretend you're a radio show host.
Just talk.
Well, you know, Dr. G, I was going to talk about the NATO thing, but you touched on something.
I listened to the Super Bowl on the radio because I didn't want to hear that stinking so-called Black National Anthem.
And on the radio, all they had was America the Beautiful and the National Anthem, which is great.
They actually didn't play the Black Anthem in the radio?
Right, yeah.
It didn't exist, thank God.
Because if I would have gone to the sports bar to watch the thing and they'd have played it, I would have, you know, probably ended up getting, you know, kicked out or having some big brawl.
There's a great photograph on social media, Carrie Lake in one of the Skyboxes, refusing to stand for that fake Black National Anthem.
It's great.
It was great.
Oh, bravo.
You know, because, Dr. G., it really bugs me.
When Martin Luther King was leading the civil rights movement, it was on the basis of his Americanism.
He said the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence are promissory notes.
What about us?
He picked up the cross in one hand, the flag in the other, and it was, we're Americans.
Where's our civil rights?
You know, and that's what made it so powerful.
These SOBs that are trying to undermine America, delegitimize America from the 1619 Project
to this wokeism to, you know, the whole list, you know, that's all it is.
Remember that great guest you had, Joseph Houmeri was his name?
Yes, Houmeri.
Yeah, about the Southern Hemisphere conspiracy with regards to the open borders.
Yeah, it's all about the strategy is to delegitimize America and the American state, the so-called white settler state.
Like, oh, like the national anthem is the white national anthem, so every other ethnicity in America.
I'm Scandinavian.
Do I get a Scandinavian-American national anthem?
That'd be scary.
I mean, can you imagine?
I mean, but it's so idiotic, but it's The National Anthem is for all of us, Dr. G. There's no color.
It's for all of us.
Oh man, I'm so glad the radio didn't play it.
All right.
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Right, the first time round, he couldn't hear us.
That wasn't you, Alex.
Oh, okay.
Was it?
I don't know.
Not twice, it wouldn't have worked.
Alright, so what's important that we haven't played?
We've played Christie, we've played RFK... Oh, we should play the Nikki Haley ad, shouldn't we?
Yeah.
That's good, it's not all visuals, right?
It's audio.
Yeah.
What else is there?
Actually, I'm gonna do...
Can you do four and five right after each other and come in with them, John?
Just start four as soon as we come in after the liner.
And then as soon as four is done, just drop five.
Sure.
Thanks.
Did you tell Eric to take some zinc, Jeff?
No.
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I'm in the process of doing it right now and demonstrating that the President's accomplishments have really been second to none.
And Joe Biden is going to get up every day.
The one thing Joe Biden is never going to do is count on this.
He is never, ever going to quit.
Because that's not what he's done his entire life.
Notwithstanding the fact that, by the way, he lost another child early in his life and he got up and he went to work.
And then he had difficulty with his other son and he got up and he went to work.
And he's going to keep doing that as we move the country forward.
And so the story you tell them is the full story of what this choice is about.
And President Biden, as you say, he's my friend.
I help him when I can.
There's no secret about that.
I think that he has proven himself again and again to be a hugely effective president.
I have no anxieties about his capacity to make important decisions for the country.
That was firstly Mitch Landrieu, Biden co-chair.
I'm not sure what...
Your senility has to do with your son's dying or the other one being a drug addict.
The fact is the DOJ said he's senile so I'm not sure what that's got to do with anything.
The next person is John Meacham on MSNBC who's quote-unquote a presidential historian.
What do you need to know about John Meacham?
He's the quote-unquote presidential historian who wrote a speech for Joe Biden And then afterwards, went on MSNBC without telling anybody he wrote it and said, That speech was amazing.
What kind of person does that?
They secretly write a speech for somebody and then they say, wow, what a great speech.
Yeah, the kind of person who lies about Joe Biden being superb.
One more cut before we get to the manhood hour with a special guest.
It's the latest campaign ad from the President of the United States talking about that rhino Nikki Haley and my It's a good one, because it shows her for who she really is.
Cut 17, the latest ad from Trump headquarters.
Prove the fact that Donald Trump says I want to cut Social Security or raise the age.
I've never said that.
There's the red challenge hat.
Trump's challenging Haley's statement.
Haley's claims she didn't call for raising the age of Social Security is under review.
Tony, here's exactly what the official is looking at.
Social Security, Medicare, how would you manage the entitlements?
We say the rules have changed.
What we do know is 65 is way too low and we need to increase that.
65 is way too low and we need to increase that.
Let's take a look at another angle.
We change retirement age to reflect life expectancy.
I think the call's pretty clear, but let's go down to the field and see what official Gene Tooney has to say.
After review, Nikki Haley clearly said she plans to change the rules and raise the age of Social Security.
This results in cutting benefits for 82% of Americans.
Bob, that was a rookie mistake by Haley.
I'm Donald J. Trump, and I approve this message.
A rookie mistake, indeed.
I don't know if they, you know, what they've changed, but the marketing, the social media team, they've definitely upped their game in just the last few days.
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It wasn't quite the Vladimir Putin of yore, shirtless on the back of a horse with a hunting rifle, but he looked healthier than I expected and I think did run rings around his interlocutor.
Not exactly my idea of manhood because killing innocent people because they write nasty articles about you I don't think is what masculinity is all about but here's a little clip I'd like our guest to comment about before we get down to the nitty-gritty of who he is and what his definition is.
Here's a little reminder of one of the maybe embarrassing moments of the interview Tucker with Vlad.
Who blew up Nord Stream?
You for sure.
I was busy that day.
I was busy that day.
The only thing more embarrassing was than that.
Did you catch it?
Because Tucker didn't respond.
I'm not surprised he didn't.
He said, Putin said, I'm so glad you changed your mind about working for the CIA because that's a fact.
Tucker did actually try to get into the CIA.
Strangely, he didn't comment on that.
Let's analyze that and so much more with a good Friend of the show, an individual who, um... Well, he's made his mission one of the most important things that a man can do, which is to fight for the vulnerable.
Jason Jones, welcome to The Manhood Hour.
Sebastian Gorka, it's a privilege to be on your show, especially on the Manhood Hour.
All right, so I didn't, you know, rehearse it or plan it in this fashion, but you're the perfect guest, not only because of what you've seen in war-torn Europe for the last two years, but also what you've seen in Afghanistan, the arrival imminently of your new book, which is perfect timing.
We'll talk about that as well.
But as somebody who, um, Served in the uniform of the US military. He's about the
same age as me who remembers the Cold War Could you give us your take of?
What happened in that two-hour interview in the Kremlin Jason?
Yeah, I felt like I'd spent you know $120 to watch a Mike Tyson fight
But you know it went 12 rounds and there were no punches thrown
I was it was definitely not what I had expected while at the same time
I'd watch I've watched it three or four times And so there's a lot, there's really a lot to unpack.
And each time I watched it, it became more interesting.
But I don't know if I'm seeing things, but when I first saw that clip, and there were several times in there where it was as if Putin was toying with Tucker and implying that he was a stooge of the CIA.
I don't know if I'm reading too much into it, but that's what I saw, and that clip that you just saw there.
And then Tucker said, I have an alibi, which was clever.
And then, of course, when he said that he's lucky that you didn't join the CIA.
All right, let's talk about who you are, Jason Jones.
You're the founder, the president of the Vulnerable People's Project, VulnerablePeopleProject.com.
Tell us about your background and what you did for a living before you do what you do today.
Yeah, I really basically only had three or four jobs in my adult life.
I dropped out of high school the day I turned 17 and had the privilege of joining the United States Infantry.
So when I went to basic training, I served for one day under President Reagan.
I was sworn in under President Reagan before H.W.
took office.
And in basic training, everything I stabbed or threw a grenade at had a hammer and sickle on it, every silhouette I ever shot.
So I joined During the Cold War, and I still can probably tell you every Russian tank and all their armor, but... The BMPs, the BTRs, all the stuff I had to learn in the British Army.
Oh, what's that silhouette?
That's a BMP-1.
That's a ZSU-324, right?
Exactly, yeah.
So I joined in the Cold War and I was actually, we were a rapid reaction unit to be deployed to the Philippines during a coup and I was on guard duty.
We had emptied the armory and I watched the falling of the Berlin Wall as my unit was preparing to deploy to the Philippines.
But I, I was a soldier, and it was as a young soldier that I realized that I wanted to spend my life.
I realized two things.
My mother had me at 16.
You know, I was a high school dropout.
But I realized through my service as an infantryman that I was very privileged.
And in my deployments, I saw what it was like for fathers.
This is the manhood hour.
So I'm going to speak very plainly, as strange as it might sound.
I wanted to serve fathers.
I became a father myself at 18, and I wanted to serve fathers.
We're placed in impossible situations to protect and care for their families.
And it's where I conceived this idea of the Vulnerable People Project that would run influence campaigns or do relief efforts where other organizations wouldn't go.
Went to the University of Hawaii, founded the Vulnerable People Project immediately after grad school.
And now we've been doing this for almost 20, 25 years.
But I also make movies and I write, but really all of that is ancillary.
If I'm making a film, if I'm writing a book, It's to do our mission is very simple to stand between the violent and the vulnerable.
So if I'm making a film, we want to exemplify the beauty of the human person or to inspire solidarity with the community.
And we make short films, narrative feature films, but it really all sort of is ancillary to the work of the Vulnerable People Project.
All right, so I want to talk about all of those things in the hour we have with you.
I want to talk about why I have a massive lump of coal in my studio that you gave me.
You'll explain that in a second, but help me with one thing, because I know you're a Christian.
I know you're a conservative.
I know you're a patriot.
I know you've worn the cloth of the Republic.
I know you go to war-torn battle zones right now to help people who are suffering, innocent women and children.
Can you explain to me why we have people in our country who support President Trump, who say they're patriots, but like Vladimir Putin and support a KGB colonel?
Have you worked that out?
Because I don't understand it.
Yeah, I've thought about this a lot.
You know, a lot of my friends, a lot of the supporters of my organization are baffled by the stance that I take.
And I want to Really try to understand the motives and understand that they're sincere.
What I think is when you see the Department of Justice or the FBI weaponized against you, when all of the heroes become shapeshifters, to use film writing lingo, when all of the heroes become villains, you become insecure and you're looking for a hero.
And I think that the Russians have been very savvy and appealing to Anti-war conservatives who are ignorant to the fact that Russia's actually had more wars than we have since the fall of the Soviet Union.
They look to Russia as a defender of Western values.
How an Eastern country is defending Western values strikes me as odd.
Or of Christendom, where Putin, we hear about what Ukraine has done to the Moscow-aligned Orthodox churches.
Which pales in comparison to what Putin has done to the evangelical church and to the Catholic churches, not only in occupied Ukraine, which has been vicious and brutal, but in Russia.
So I think they're just ignorant, like that history lesson that Putin gave.
I think the interview was mostly for domestic consumption.
I didn't anticipate that.
I thought he would cleverly try to more aggressively ingratiate himself with sort of like the disenfranchised right.
I think what he did, though, was confuse them even more, especially when he doubled down on his relationship with Xi and telling us we don't need to worry about the CCP and Xi is his good friend and partner.
So that's going to be something that's going to be very hard for them to sort out.
I just think they're looking for a big man to be in their corner and not to promote my book.
But when I talk about the great campaign against the Great Reset, what I'm really talking about is the body of Christ.
And so I look as a Christian, I as a baptized Christian, as a member of the body of Christ, and I believe it is the role of the body of Christ to promote freedom, promote human dignity, to promote prosperity and security, to serve the most vulnerable, not only in our own families, our own neighborhoods.
You know, 70% of Paul's appeal to care for fellow Christians was for the persecuted church at that time, like a world's away, you know?
So, uh, I think that they're looking for a big man.
And one of the things I'm trying to communicate to the right is you don't need to look to Putin.
You don't need to look for a big man.
You are part of the body of Christ.
As a Christian, you have enough and you can work where you are.
Don't look for somebody else to be the leader that you are meant to be.
That's part of being a man.
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Jason, where did you learn What it means to be a man.
Who were you copying?
Who did you idolize?
And what are the words, the adjectives that come to mind when you're trying to explain to your children what a real man is?
That's a deep question.
You know, I had always been looking for mentors.
My mother had me as a teenager.
My father was 18 and joined the army.
I didn't really get to know him until I was six or seven.
And I would say that as a young, as a boy and as a young man, and even in the military, I had always looked for men to look up to, but they wouldn't be a complete version of a man.
They'd have this sort of, you know, in one way, they'd be a great example of what it is to be a man.
And then another way they might fall down.
Um, so that was, I was always looking for mentors.
Um, so I, I really looked as a young person.
I thought if I can be very plain, I thought, To be a man would be to be strong, to be violent, to be promiscuous.
And this is the way I behaved, you know, as a young man.
I wasn't a Christian until I was 30.
And it was through my work as an atheist in the pro-life movement and being around Christians that I started meeting men.
And I remember the moment where I sort of had this epiphany that all of the things that I thought made me a man were things that We're the exact opposite of what it meant to be a man.
Being a man isn't being violent or being short-tempered.
Being a man is being meek and being kind and being gentle.
Now, you know, when someone threatens your family or your community, that meek man expresses virtue in another way, but to the women and the children, the elderly, to the people you meet in your daily life, they should feel safe and they feel kindness.
But this was something that it took me a long time.
So I would say as I was developing, and still am as a 52-year-old, developing, I really want to be a kind, my prayer every day is to be kind, to be gentle, to be humble, to be meek.
And one day it struck me, the reason that's what I'm praying for, those are the places where I really fall down.
So it was becoming a Catholic in my early 30s, looking to saints like St.
Maximilian Kolbe, St.
Joseph, And then the Catholic men in my life, I really began to see the model of what it is to be a man.
Well, unfortunately, I had habits and temperaments and all of that to overcome in just our nature.
But yet, so to me, where does the example of being a good man come from?
As cliche as it sounds, and as if I'm running for office or something, it would be Jesus Christ.
And it would be to those men who looked to Jesus Christ as who they wanted to form their life.
There's a Catholic saint, Saint Escriva, who says, he said that, May when people look at you, they know that you've read the life of Christ.
I think about that a lot because oftentimes I think people look at me and they would think I never heard the name Jesus Christ, let alone read his life.
Yeah.
And in my work at the Vulnerable People Project, I work with these communities that are vulnerable.
Whether it's in Afghanistan or Nigeria or Sudan, Ukraine, I met a gentleman in Ukraine days before he died, and he was a leader of the pro-life movement in Western Ukraine.
A young man, young man, looked like a movie star in his mid-20s and became a special forces soldier, was actually away at school outside of Ukraine.
The day of the invasion, he returned and A few days after we met and spoke at a conference together, he was killed on the front.
So through my work in serving quote-unquote vulnerable communities, I've met great examples of what it is to be a man.
And I learned something, that the vulnerable are not weak, they're strong people placed in impossible situations.
And through my work, whether I'm working with priests in Nigeria, I have a priest we work with, Father Victor, who runs VPP operations in Nigeria.
He's kind.
He's long-suffering.
I gave him a little bonus for Christmas.
And what did he do?
He emailed me with all of the retired elderly and sick people in his community.
He used the bonus that I gave him to bless others in his community.
So I would say in my work, also, I meet really great examples of what it is to be a man.
Well, I'll have to say, I've known you because of the media work you do, and I can attest that you are a kind and gentle man.
When I actually heard, I think it was during an interview here in the studio, that you're a former infantry, I didn't want to believe it for a second, because you don't give that vibe off, as the kids say today.
So you have achieved that.
Just tell me very quickly, you said you were an atheist doing pro-life?
How does that happen?
Yeah, well, I don't I don't want to open up too much on the show.
I don't know if the format would want it.
But, you know, my first memory is maybe one or two years old was my grandfather beating my grandmother.
Bloody.
My first memory.
He was a very strong, brutal man.
Remember, my mother had me at 16.
So he was a young man in his mid 40s.
And was a railroad man was a power lifter.
Um, And he had a very rough childhood that allows me to forgive and understand his brutality.
But as a young man, and my mother was married a few times, and the chaos that entered my life, my desire was always to be a strong man.
Like, that was my desire.
I wrestled.
Seb, I spent half my free time in boxing gyms and kickboxing gyms or doing MMA or jiu-jitsu.
I've been going right from this interview to go do Muay Thai.
I live in boxing gyms.
And this comes back from my youth.
I wanted to be a strong man.
Well, at 16, I got my high school girlfriend pregnant.
She told me two days before my 17th birthday.
On my birthday, I went down to the recruiter's office.
I knew from a friend of a program for high school students that they could get their GED in Georgia, which had a very easy GED, we were told.
So on my 17th birthday, two days after my high school girlfriend told me she was pregnant, I joined the army.
And a few weeks later, I was off to Fort Benning, Georgia.
While I was in basic training, she was hiding her pregnancy from her father.
So my whole life, I wanted to be a strong man so I could protect my children to protect my wife.
I dreamed of being a strong man with a peaceful home and a refrigerator filled with food.
And my high school girlfriend's father found out she was pregnant.
He beat her up and took her to get a forced third trimester abortion.
Wow.
As a boy who never went to church, pre 24 hour cable news.
I never had, we didn't have cable in our house.
Anyway, I didn't know about abortion.
It was like something that never flittered through my mind.
Until I found out that my child was destroyed from abortion.
So here I was, a young atheist.
Actually, I adored Ayn Rand.
Like, found the head in Anthem.
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So there you are, a young man.
You lost your child through a forced abortion.
What does that do to you?
What do you decide to do next?
I became a very young soldier.
I remember thinking the world must not know abortion is happening and I'm going to tell the world.
So I was just a very angry young man.
In the infantry and my off days, I would go door-to-door in the housing outside of Schofield Barracks in Hawaii.
You have to picture a blonde, you know, a six-foot-two, blonde-haired, blue-eyed 17-year-old that looked kind of like I was a kid in PX clothing, which is tacky in those days.
Going door-to-door in these neighborhoods, talking to people about abortion, that it's legal and we should make it illegal.
I didn't have a very sophisticated pitch.
And I would give my desk, I lived in the barracks, I would give the desk number to The folks I was talking to, well, it turned out I was knocking on the doors.
The first neighborhoods I hit were plantation workers from the Philippines who were very polite.
So I thought this was going to be a very easy job to end abortion.
One of them gave my number to someone at Hawaii Right to Life who called me.
It called my desk.
It called the front desk at the barracks before cell phones.
And I was shocked that there was a movement.
I remember, like, there is a movement of people doing this already?
You know, this is 1989.
And I know it sounds probably hard to believe.
And it was just like the best news I ever heard, you know, I was like, the Calvary is here.
And that's where it really began for me.
And, but because it didn't come from religion, to me, abortion was just killing a child.
Wasn't distinct from any other way to kill a child.
It was just, you can kill a baby.
And on my first deployment, my very first deployment, still 17 years old, at my duty station for maybe six weeks.
And it was just, it was a training deployment called Cobra Gold.
They do it every year.
It's in Thailand.
And you know, we were doing a forced march somewhere really remote, and there was a young man leaning up against an old man, an older man leaning up against a fence, holding his teenage child who looked like he weighed 35 pounds.
And I'd asked the interpreter, what was wrong with that boy?
He said, he probably has malaria.
And I just remembered seeing the look in the father's eyes.
And the look in the father's eyes was how I felt.
This was just, you know, maybe three months after the phone call.
And that's when I knew what I wanted to do.
And initially, as a soldier, I was gung-ho and really into being a soldier.
I thought about being a Green Beret.
And what a wonderful way.
But I remember having this thought as a boy, and I have a lot of friends that work with us now at VPP who are former Green Berets.
Like, you really thought that as a 19, 20-year-old infantryman?
And I really did.
I remember thinking, I'll be the most beautiful instrument in the hands of baboons.
I don't want to be in the hands of baboons.
That was my thought.
And my captain had worked with me on creating a plan on how to order my life to serve the vulnerable.
And we mapped out a 40-year plan that had to begin with college, because here I was a high school dropout.
And then I went to the University of Hawaii.
And then it was there, through the pro-life movement, I was very involved with the pro-life community in Hawaii.
And then at the University of Hawaii, I became very involved.
I founded the Pro-Life Student Union, and then I would use the Pro-Life Student Union to do anti-CCP protests, to do protests with other ethnic communities that were there, that were trying to bring attention to their ethnic cleansing or whatever they were doing.
I would try to bring the Pro-Life movement, or I was chairman of the College Republicans, to bring them together.
And I realized, if I can bring the conservative movement in, The pro-life movement, which has really become the most powerful, diverse social movement in the history of our country, if you really think about it, not that we've weaponized or mobilized that influence to great effect, but we have to some great effect.
Here I am in my mid-20s at the time thinking, I want to do this.
I wanted to get the pro-life movement to stand with issues that are like and commensurate to abortion, ethnic cleansing and genocide.
And that's where the Vulnerable People Project was born.
We'll talk about all the countries you're active in.
And also an absolutely incredible film that you invited me to for the pre-pre-premiere
that I think informs everything you've just said.
And I wish everybody listening to the show has the opportunity to see it.
And then of course you have to squeeze in a discussion of your book.
I don't know if we have enough time today.
It's crazy.
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All right, I got way too many questions.
I swear we're going to talk about your book before we finish.
We have to also explain in the last segment why I have a massive lump of coal on my shelf behind me.
But first, You gave an answer nobody's given before.
We had one person say, I am informed by how to be a man from what I learned from the Holy Mother, from Jesus' mother.
That was our good friend Matt Schlapp, and it was an amazing answer.
You said Jesus, which is just as good as saying his mother, but we have these kind of conventional wisdom versions of Jesus, right?
Either he's the hippie nice guy rabbi and not God, or he's this super peaceful, you know, Beatnik who is, you know, slap me on the other cheek guy.
I don't subscribe to either of those.
For me, he's my Lord and Savior and he's not a beatnik and he's not a peacenik either.
What is it about Jesus for you that makes him your exemplar of manhood?
Well, it was that scandal that kept me from even looking at the New Testament to read the New Testament because I thought Jesus was some sort of beatmaker hippie and I would call the Christian clubs on campus, I'll be your friend if you'd be my friend, the club, because I felt that they weren't built around any sort of virtue or shared interests.
It was just like, I'm lonely, you want to play volleyball with us on Saturday.
But, you know, reading Sartre, Nietzsche and Freud, I was really grappling as an Ayn Rand objectivist to develop her anthropology, which I felt she didn't have.
Yeah.
And I was objectivist.
So, um, It was really Sartre and Nietzsche that blew up any hope for the idea, this concept of human dignity without an appeal to revealed religious truth.
And that's when I looked to revealed religion for the first time with an open mind.
And I remember when I got to the New Testament, I started in Genesis and read more or less, you know, there were some chapters like I would just flip through, like Leviticus and Numbers, but more or less straight through.
And when I got to the Gospels and really Paul's letters, It was not at all what I had anticipated, and I felt kind of upset.
Like, why didn't you people tell me who this Jesus Christ really was?
And then as I began to study the men that looked up to him as an example, Franz Jägerstadter, the Austrian farmer who refused to take the Hitler loyalty oath and could have at any moment avoided being murdered by the Nazis or St.
Maximilian Kolbe or St.
Francis Xavier or St.
Francis So, you know, St.
Francis was a gladiator, was a fighter, would do effectively the UFC of his day.
And as I began to see who Jesus was, because I wanted to be a strong man, I was offended by passivity.
I was offended by moral relativism.
I used to say to Christians, they would say, well, you shouldn't judge when I would do pro-life events on campus.
I'd say, who said that?
They'd say Jesus.
I'm like, Jesus really should read Plato and Aristotle because you can't borrow a concept, you can't steal a concept to refute a concept.
So when I read, you know, that's not what he said.
Take the board out, do the hard work of taking the board out of your own eyes so you can do the charitable thing of taking the speck out of your brother's eye, of your neighbor's eye.
So yeah, it was that sort of that masculinity, that manliness.
That's what impressed me.
And you say you bring our Blessed Mother.
I pray the rosary every day with people all over the world on Facebook.
And we're about to right after this interview, I'll be praying the rosary.
And so it's also through, of course, I look to Mary at the foot of the cross and the Pieta holding her son, who is God and man across her lap.
It's the model of what I want to do as an organization.
I want to be with people when they're abandoned, when the crowds have left, when it takes courage to stand there, when even the best friends of those people have left.
I want to be there, and that to me is the example of the Blessed Mother.
We have to explore this again, this side of who Jason Jones is, but in the meantime, will you give us a little tease of your up-and-coming book, so everybody can pre-order it right now, The Great Campaign Against the Great Reset.
And it gels with what you've been saying, because this isn't just about the Great Reset and the WEF and politics.
Your book is about Mother Church, is it not?
You know, we don't say that explicitly, but the great campaign really is the body of Christ against the body of Antichrist.
I don't say it that way because we want to reach a broad audience, but that's exactly right.
As a Christian, as a baptized Christian, all of us here, we're priest, prophet, and king.
And I aim it at a younger audience, you know, these high school, college age, young adults, who the battle is really for them and for our posterity.
And it's the battle they're fighting for their life.
I have an open introduction to them, you know, it's the adventure of Eros.
Explain that, because when people hear the word Eros, they usually have a misconception.
Why are you writing about that in this book?
Yeah, I mean really the adventure of erotic love, and I mean that in two ways.
Loving God, you know, when you look to Scripture, God's love for us, He uses the language for a spouse.
And so we really need to love God.
And I mean, for young people, especially the adventure of finding a spouse, having children, that we have allowed them.
It is not their fault.
We have allowed their moral imagination to be obliterated by pornography.
The app dating has been utterly catastrophic.
You have large communities of young men that identify as involuntarily celibate.
You have 8% of the men on these apps sleeping with 90% of the women on these apps.
The reason I call it the adventure of Eros is it's going to be challenging.
It's going to be challenging to be a good man, to be a good woman.
And, but they should look at this as a great adventure.
The Great Reset doesn't only want us, our property.
They'd only want to surveil us.
The most, the most important thing is what they want.
And that intimately is they want your heart.
They want their heart.
And this generation is careening towards decades of sadness and loneliness and despair.
And so I wrote this book.
We deal with Gnosticism, the climate cult, anti-humanism.
We offer the Christian principles of Christian personalism, Imago Dei, the natural law that there's a transcendent moral order, subsidiarity, solidarity, humane economy, is the antidote for what the Great Reset wants.
But to me, what is most important, is we help young people reclaim their heart and go on this adventure to love their parents, to love their family, to love God, to preserve their moral imagination, to recover their moral imagination, to experience romantic, authentic, humane, erotic love, to become married, to have children, and to order their lives, to serve their posterity.
This is, we do this.
It's very simple.
Love your parents, love God, Preserve your moral imagination so you can experience romantic love, get married, have children, and order your life to your posterity.
Sounds very simple, but it's very challenging.
When you've been looking at pornography since before puberty, as young people call it, I even hate saying it out loud, their body counts are something that a sailor in the 1970s would have dreamed about, and they're not even 21 yet.
So it's gonna be a challenge, but G.K.
Chesterton said, an inconvenience rightly considered as an adventure.
So they are being given the wonderful opportunity of going on this great adventure to experience the love of God, the love of neighbor, and to experience the love of marriage and the love of being a parent.
To order your life toward posterity.
Just that one sentence tells you everything we need to know.
When is the book out so we can get you on to discuss it in detail?
I appreciate that.
April 16th.
April 16th.
Pre-order it now.
The Great Campaign Against the Great Reset.
All right.
I don't think we've touched upon everything.
I want to mention the Mother Cabrini movie, but let's talk about this for a second.
Why do I have a massive piece of coal on my bookcase in my studio, Jason Jones?
I'm flattered.
Don't ask me.
I do subcontracting for St.
Nicholas, and he asked me to drop that off at your office.
I'm a good boy.
Come on.
Well, we only give coal to good people.
Through the Vulnerable People Project, we have distributed, since the fall of Afghanistan, over 100 million hours of heat.
How do you distribute heat?
Obviously, it's through coal.
It's through wood.
It's through other fuel, mostly coal.
Through our call for Christmas campaign, it goes to the widows and orphans of our Afghan allies who were killed in action for Afghan allies who are still in Afghanistan.
When we've expanded the call for Christmas campaign to serving with the church in Mongolia, Christians from Mongolia said, we see you're doing this in Afghanistan.
Can you please support us too?
So we just started in Mongolia, but we founded it to serve the widows and orphans.
of our allies.
Those men who fell, what is it to be a man?
It's to be faithful to your friends and to be faithful to their families.
Very quickly, how many nations is the Vulnerable People Project in?
Oh, I mean, almost 20.
We're in almost 20.
And it's sad.
We've been in strategy sessions For several weeks now, trying to figure out how we can begin, because we don't go out there looking for people to serve.
Communities hear about our work and they solicit our support.
And whether we're working with the Dalit Catholic community in India, Christians and Jews in Nigeria, we're securing the last 10 synagogues in Nigeria, we're protecting religious minorities.
And girls schools in Afghanistan.
We have armed guards and cameras protecting them from ISIS.
So wherever we get requests, our most recent request was in Cebu in the Philippines.
There was a recent horrible terrorist attack and the community, the Dalit community in India reached out and asked us to help with their orphan epidemic.
So we get all of these requests and we never want to say no, but we always have to go fundraise.
I tell our team, No, we have all the money in the world.
We just keep it in other people's banks and sometimes they don't give it back when we ask.
So it's it's you know we're growing.
Sadly we're growing because it seems over the past three years we've done more work.
in the past three years than the previous 20.
Sad.
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VulnerablePeopleProject.com VulnerablePeopleProject.com All right, talk to us about this movie that you invited me and my wife to.
It's Cabrini, based upon the true story of America's first saint that everybody thinks is Anne Seaton, but it's not.
It's this Italian nun, turn of the century, who ministered to the orphans of New York, correct?
That's correct.
She built more hospitals or schools, the sickly Italian nun built a religious order around the world that built more hospitals and schools than the Carnegie's, than the Mellon's, than the Rockefeller's.
And this is a look at the Italian American experience in the 19th and early 20th century.
And it was harsh.
But the director Alejandro Monteverdi also directed Bella, a film that I was a producer on, and Little Boy and Sound of Freedom.
He has something uncanny.
He's an immigrant from Mexico who loves this country more than anyone I've ever met.
And so he looks at the Italian-American experience through this beautiful saint, Mother Cabrini, in a way that just makes you love the United States of America even more.
It's not woke nonsense.
It's an authentic, beautiful look.
The only film that I can compare it to When I first watched it, it was titanic.
And what I mean by that is it's beauty, it's grandeur.
It's beautiful.
The film industry, we call it a four-quadrant film.
And the last truly four-quadrant film I've ever seen was Titanic.
And we saw the success that that was.
This strikes me as a four-quadrant film.
And it's a beautiful film of an American saint and of America.
And it comes out March 8th.
And I didn't want to like it, Seb.
I'm a jealous and envious person.
I wasn't a producer on it and my partners made it.
And so I went in there and said, it's the most beautiful movie I've ever seen.
Yeah, the thing about it is it's beautiful in both sense of the words.
It's beautiful spiritually and it's also visually beautiful.
I mean, some of the shots in there are absolute Oscar, Oscar worthy, beautiful compositions.
All right.
Can't wait for that.
The Cabrini movie.
Can't wait.
for your book.
You can pre-order it right now.
The book is The Garrett Campaign Against the Great Reset.
We've been talking to Jason Jones.
This is the Manhood Hour.
Please check out his website, vulnerablepeopleproject.com.
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