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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Why do some Republicans support Biden's border bill?

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	We did read through it Laura and it did not take long to realize that this is dead on arrival
	There's no way we could bring this through the House.
	The Senate expects us to pass a bill, a piece of legislation that you just did a great job dismantling here.
	What it would do is actually further incentivize illegal immigration.
	It would not resolve any of the problems, not reform, in any meaningful way, the broken asylum system, the broken
	parole process and all the things that have created this catastrophe. And by the
	way, meanwhile, it further empowers the very cabinet secretary who designed
	and created this mess. I still like Speaker Johnson. The Biden border bill,
	an abortion of an act, is dead on arrival.
	Hold the line, Speaker Johnson, hold the line.
	And he is just echoing what the man who secured the border is saying on Newsmax.
	Yes, President Trump.
	Let's listen to his version of events.
	Cut 10.
	Well, it's hard to believe because I think it probably would mean the end of their career.
	This is a Democrat trap.
	It's a trap for Republicans that would be so stupid, so foolish to sign a bill like this.
	This bill can't be signed.
	And it's not only that, it's massive amounts of money going.
	Out of town, as we say.
	Going out of town.
	Billions and billions and billions of dollars.
	And it's so bad on the border.
	I've never seen anything like it.
	Actually, it's one of the worst, one of the dumbest bills I've ever seen.
	I think it's dead.
	Totally dead of the House.
	I think they have almost unanimous or unanimous support.
	But I can't imagine anybody wanting to approve this bill.
	Oh, except for... Oh, it's so weird.
	The Wall Street Journal.
	Because the Chamber of Commerce wants more illegals.
	Isn't that what Joe Scarborough says?
	He has the picture of it.
	Let's play it.
	Cut nine.
	By any honest reckoning, this is what says the Wall Street Journal editorial page, by any honest reckoning, but that's something Mike Johnson wouldn't know anything about.
	By any honest, honest is the word, Mikey.
	Look that up in your Bible that you've made up.
	By any honest reckoning, this is the most restrictive migrant legislation in decades.
	Previous immigration talks have involved trading security measures for legalizing more immigration.
	There is little of that in this bill.
	This is almost entirely a border security bill, and its provisions include longtime GOP priorities that the party restrictionists could never have passed only a few months ago.
	Are you listening, Mikey?
	Just because Donald tells you to jump?
	Get rid of that guy.
	Just get rid of it.
	Seriously.
	I mean, honestly.
	Eric, you've got that image of what this border bill is really about.
	The last image I sent you.
	We'll get that up on the screen in a second.
	Can you explain to me, Joe Scarborough's, oh and by the way, welcome, this is America First, I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	What is the, Mikey, look the word up in your Bible.
	What does that mean?
	I thought he said the Bible that you made up.
	Yeah, he said the Bible that you, what does that mean?
	I have no idea what it does.
	He does not like Mike Johnson at all.
	That's his new guy he goes after every day.
	It used to be Bibi Netanyahu, now it's Mike Johnson.
	So, he thinks the Bible is a dictionary, he calls the speaker Mikey, and then he thinks Mike Johnson made up the Bible?
	That is pushing that anger because they are losing so bad on this border bill, and they're trying to now blame it on the Republicans that it's not going to work.
	It's called frustration.
	I think you're right.
	I think you're right.
	I found this on Twitter, this image of, you know, it's hundreds of pages long, but let's read the key elements that you should care about in this border bill.
	Do we have it yet, Eric?
	All right, then let's read to you parts of the bill.
	Okay?
	These are just some little fragments that are in the bill that tell you everything you need to know for the bill.
	That's about the bill.
	Put them up.
	The first one has to do with how they count illegals.
	Okay?
	What you are allowed To count as an illegal.
	Subsection 2.
	Limitation.
	In capitals.
	Why?
	Aliens described in subsection A, paragraph 2, subsection C, from non-contiguous countries shall not be included in calculating the sum of aliens encountered.
	Okay, so let's translate that into English.
	In terms of the limitations, the numbers of illegals, 5,000 a day, that you're permitted, when this bill is signed, to let into America, you can't include people who are from other countries than Canada or Mexico, right?
	Non-contiguous.
	Which is interesting, because most of the illegals aren't actually coming from Mexico right now.
	Record numbers, from Afghanistan, from China, from Venezuela, from Africa.
	We're not contiguous with China, Venezuela, Africa.
	But they don't get included in the number.
	Huh.
	Well that's interesting.
	So that means what?
	5,000 is really 15,000?
	And then if you're really wondering what the bill is all about, this section reveals it.
	You don't have to read hundreds of pages.
	Just this section.
	Notwithstanding, this is section J, judicial review.
	Notwithstanding any other provision of this act, judicial review of any decision or action in this section shall be governed by, you ready?
	Only by the U.S.
	District Court for the District of Columbia, which shall have sole and original jurisdiction.
	Any written policy directive, written policy guideline, written procedure or the implementation thereof shall by or under the authority of the Secretary to implement this section.
	So, what does that mean?
	DHS has all power and if there's any question, any question, guess who decides?
	Not a court in Texas, where the illegals are coming across, or Arizona, or the Supreme Court.
	The sole jurisdiction, that's actually against the Constitution by the way, will be the District of Columbia's federal court.
	Why's that?
	Is it because 93% of Washington D.C.
	voted for Joe Biden, and it's the most liberal court in the land that wants to put President Trump behind bars?
	Wow.
	And then the thing that really gets my goat to use a colloquialism.
	Why would you act in such a way that posits good faith from the other side?
	The Democrats say they want to fix it now.
	Why should we trust them?
	They want to fix what they caused?
	Why?
	Have they apologized?
	Have they admitted of the crisis they've created?
	Have they said 8 million illegals is just too much?
	No.
	Not for a second.
	And that's why people like Nikki Haley are just not ready for prime time.
	Listen to her absolute gyration and turning herself into a pretzel just to attack President Trump.
	Cut it.
	They should not leave D.C.
	until they get us a border bill.
	And no, we are not waiting until the general election to do this.
	And it's irresponsible to say that Congress has to wait until a general election because Trump is worried that he's going to lose.
	There's a lot of reasons we got to worry Trump's going to lose.
	But you don't sacrifice national security to do it.
	So Nikki Haley now believes that the Democrats care about national security.
	If she believes that, she should never be President.
	Ever.
	She should never have served in any capacity, including Governor.
	You trust the Democrats now?
	Let's ask you, dear listeners.
	Anyone out there.
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	Let's have lots of b-roll.
	Of what?
	DeSantis, of course!
	Alright, let me get the best.
	Let me get his laugh.
	What should I put for the Chiron former DeSantis influencer?
	Uh, we'll ask him.
	Alright.
	It feels like so long ago we were having these wars with the DeSantis people and now it's just like... It does, doesn't it?
	Ay ay ay.
	Can I play the boot- the boot footage as B-roll?
	You may.
	Alright, he's up.
	Do you want the mics on or off?
	Mic's on or off?
	Off.
	Mic's off.
	.
	There is some movement, and I don't want to, I don't want to, well maybe excuse my words.
	There's some movement, there's been a response from the, there's been a response from the opposition,
	but it, Yes, I'm sorry, from Hamas.
	But it seems to be a little over the top.
	We're not sure where it is.
	There's a continuing negotiation right now.
	It just feels wrong.
	I can't even say it.
	That man holds the title of president.
	That was earlier today.
	Meant to be a press conference with no questions about the McConnell-Biden border bill.
	Then he took some questions and bumbled like that.
	What on earth was he saying?
	Maybe one of you can translate.
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	Okay, it's been a while since we had him on the show.
	I like the cut of his jib, even if...
	I wouldn't take his advice if I were betting on a horse on a race.
	Although maybe he might have learned his lesson.
	A former advisor to the Trump campaign, he's a good guy.
	Steve Cortez!
	Welcome back to America First!
	Seb, I appreciate it.
	Thanks for having me.
	So where have you been for the last few months?
	Which horse did you put your money on, Steve?
	Let's just get that out of the way.
	Sure.
	Absolutely.
	Listen, I worked for the PAC for Ron DeSantis, so I was campaigning for Ron DeSantis for about six months in 2023.
	And as I have been very public about and wrote an editorial about this immediately after the January caucus in Iowa, I admitted very publicly that I was wrong in that estimation.
	Now listen, I think that Ron DeSantis is the best governor in America.
	I'm very glad for Floridians.
	that he is back there and he's doing an amazing job once again.
	But I was wrong in my wager that the America First movement was ready for a new leader.
	Clearly, that is not the case.
	I actually realized that many months ago.
	I agreed with Team DeSantis that I would just go quiet regarding the race until the Iowa caucus.
	And since that time, I'm doing everything within my power to persuade people to vote for President Trump.
	He is obviously clearly the warrior leader for the America First movement.
	He is the runaway GOP nominee.
	I thought that was obvious even last summer.
	It's clearly the case now and we have to take this country back.
	So in my view, all of us need to unite, including conservatives, patriotic populists,
	who supported other candidates for any variety of reason like me.
	My appeal to them is it is time for us to unite and coalesce because the very survival of our republic is at stake.
	Our indisputable leader now into November is Donald Trump and all of us need to march behind him and we need to win as many allies as possible.
	Well look, I'm glad to have you back.
	We'll talk about what we need to do together as those who love America for the next nine months in a moment.
	But first, as somebody who was inside the DeSantis machine, I'm curious if you have any analyses because I am sure for years to come it will be dissected, it will be poured over as one of the most Uh, unsuccessful, promising yet unsuccessful campaigns in modern political history.
	Do you have a theory as to why that is?
	I have one which has to do with you, Steve, because you were one of the few people who, you know, pegged your wagon to that train.
	Who wasn't attacking fellow conservatives.
	He seemed to choose a lot of influencers who were backbiting, who were nasty, not to Democrats, not to Biden, but to Trump supporters and President Trump.
	I think that's part of it.
	Do you have another theory why he flamed out so quickly?
	I think that's absolutely part of it.
	I was dismayed to find out that there are a lot of folks, not the governor by the way, not Governor DeSantis, but there were a lot of folks within broadly Team DeSantis who were really never Trumpers as it turned out.
	And of course, I'm the opposite of an anti-Trumper.
	You know, I worked as hard as I could in 2016 and 2020 to elect President Trump.
	I plan to work as hard as I can this time.
	for President Trump.
	So I was the opposite of a Never Trumper.
	Unfortunately, a lot of Never Trumpers affixed themselves to Team DeSantis and it clearly turned off
	a lot of MAGA adherence out there.
	That is not at all the message that I thought would win the primary, and clearly it didn't.
	And then also to connect what happened with DeSantis to the news today, Seb, out of Washington, D.C.,
	and this court ruling, unfortunately, allowing this sham prosecution of Donald Trump to go
	forward.
	I also believe that the Republican voter base, clearly, once they saw these indictments streamed down,
	one after another, completely unjust persecution of Donald Trump, they rallied forcefully to his side.
	So given that reality, I also believe, even if there had been a perfect campaign
	run by a challenger, it would have been impossible to beat President Trump at that point.
	But regardless of how we got here, Clearly, Donald Trump is the nominee.
	He is the overwhelming choice of Republican voters.
	He is still the indisputable leader of America First.
	And I implore all DeSantis supporters, all people who supported any other candidate, that it is time for us to unite because we will not win in November.
	I believe we're going to win.
	But we won't win in November unless we unite now and we march forward with unity and clarity because, again, the stakes couldn't be higher.
	Everybody says most important election in history every cycle.
	Well, this time it's actually true because we're losing our country and with speed, unfortunately.
	So it's imperative for us to unite.
	Yeah, I said it so long ago, more than a year ago, we actually have a bumper sticker somebody sent us that we put on Alex's monitor that we can show everybody that I think is going to stay there for a while until we auction it on eBay.
	That if DeSantis had any brains, he would have come into the Trump cabinet, he would have been either the vice president or something else.
	And then with alacrity and ease just slides into the top slot in 2028 and now that that is highly unlikely but I think it has a lot to do not only with the surrogates he chose but also with he himself.
	I've met him and well...
	We'll talk about that in the next segment.
	In the meantime, Steve is back and we're so happy he is.
	Former Senior Advisor to the President of the United States.
	You know, the real one.
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	Alright Steve.
	I'm going to go ahead and turn off the camera.
	Yep, you bet.
	Okay.
	Three and a half minutes.
	Thank you.
	Where are you based out of, Steve?
	Chattanooga, Tennessee.
	Oh, wow.
	Have you always been there?
	No, I'm really a Chicagoan for most of my life, but moved three years ago.
	The lockdowns were the last straw for me.
	Had to get out of blue America.
	I'm a refugee and live in deeply red East Tennessee now, thankfully.
	Oh, yeah.
	The what?
	Oh, good.
	How do you like Chattanooga?
	Love it.
	You know, people are wonderful.
	The mountains are beautiful.
	It's just, it's been a great place for us.
	So, I'm actually out in Vail, Colorado right now, but that's just vacation.
	Oh, living the hard life.
	No, I'm working a lot out here.
	Hey, I'm not on the ski slope right now.
	I'm with you.
	I'm glad to be.
	Are you a skier?
	Not really, but my wife and her... I'm more tagging along for her.
	It's a girl's trip, really, but my wife wanted me to tag along, so... I mean, I will ski, but I'm... Coming from the flatlands of Chicago, it's not like I grew up on... Right, right.
	Where's your wife from?
	Uh, from Florida.
	Florida girl, originally.
	But met her there in Washington at Georgetown, and I convinced a Florida girl to move to Chicago, which I knew she loved me if she was willing to make that trade, right?
	So when did you realize it was over for DeSantis?
	Uh, you know, in July.
	And I tried to tell him, you know, privately at that point, to get out of the race.
	But summertime.
	And once I said that, obviously I talked myself out of a job, so...
	But then I just went quiet about the race for some time, and I agreed, and I thought I owed it to them that I would be quiet about it until the Iowa caucus.
	What made you realize in July?
	You know, just because by that point, Seb, we were spending an enormous amount of money.
	He was campaigning furiously, you know, great hustler on the campaign trail, and we were going down in the polls, right?
	So, like, when you have the resources, when you're putting out the effort, and it's not going your way, I mean, to me, it was just, it was unworkable at that point.
	Right.
	And I thought, rather than waste more resources, rather than take off MAGA, you know, let's let's try to get out with Honor early.
	I think he's on the spectrum.
	How about you?
	You know, I hear that a lot.
	I don't think.
	Listen, I have not spent that much time with him where I can really say, but I doubt that, honestly.
	He is one of these people who's so highly intelligent that I think he seems just different.
	Right.
	But I don't think he's on the spectrum.
	I don't.
	But look, he does.
	But he doesn't know how to relate to people.
	He's like a cold fish.
	I mean, especially in comparison to his wife.
	Listen, he's certainly better at governing than campaigning.
	That's for sure.
	But he's amazing at governing, right?
	So... Any cuts you want to use here?
	Uh, yeah... Patriot Mobile?
	Cut 12.
	Seb, I think super highly of the governor, so...
	I think we used to have one back in the body.
	No, we used to love...
	No, we used to love...
	We did...
	Oh, we did?
	Um...
	...
	This bill would also establish a new, efficient, and fair process
	for the government to consider an asylum claim for those arriving at the border.
	the border.
	you Today, the process can take five to seven years, as you all know.
	They show up at the border, get a bracelet, told they'll come back when called.
	Five to seven years, not in country.
	That's too long, and it's not rational.
	With the new policies in this bill and the additional of 4,300 more asylum officers who spend hours, I might add, with each immigrant to consider their claims, whether they qualify, we'll be able to reduce that process to six months, not five to seven years.
	They're just lying straight to your face.
	They don't wait years.
	They come across the border pre-cleared by themselves on the CBP app as they're sitting on Mexico, whichever country they're from.
	And it's not six or seven years.
	They get court dates right now!
	For 2035, which means they're just living large on your dime.
	But that was Biden earlier today.
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	We'll get to your calls at the end of the hour.
	But I want to say, who is it?
	Kevin in Austin, Texas.
	Glad to have Steve Cortez back on the Trump train.
	All right.
	Well, so am I. So am I. Welcome back, Steve.
	Let's analyze the next 10 months.
	I'd like to hear from you as somebody who's advised President Trump before.
	What the most important thing he needs to do in the near future that you're not seeing happen yet.
	But before we get to that, I'll let you cogitate on that on the back of your mind for a moment.
	I'm asking this question every day from the people I respect on this show.
	How significant is it?
	Does it really matter?
	Or is it just a sign that they're in trouble?
	That after three years of being told, oh, Trump broke the border, we fixed it, there's no problem, that now even people like Federman are saying, why can't we say there's a crisis at the border?
	How significant is that 180, Steve?
	Oh, it's incredibly significant because it shows us, it reveals the reality that our opponents, while they are malevolent, they're not dumb.
	And they realize the trouble they are in electorally regarding this border situation heading into November.
	They can read polling just as well as we can.
	And they realize that along with the economy, again, these are these are the twin key issues, the economy and immigration.
	And they realize that on the border, they are so vulnerable on both.
	But they're so intensely vulnerable on the border issue right now that they're trying desperately to get away from the issue, which is why they were so incredibly yearning for this supposedly bipartisan deal to be passed by the Senate and then presented to the House.
	Thankfully, it's going to fail in the Senate and not even be presented.
	But that was an attempt, not an attempt to fix the situation at the border, hardly.
	In fact, they were going to codify the mass trespassing there.
	But it was an attempt to get political cover for them into November because they realize the trouble they are in.
	With the American people, and they recognize that all of America has now effectively become a border town.
	These migrant problems are no longer just the purview of Texas and Arizona.
	No, it is nationwide.
	All right, last minute left.
	You are in a unique position, having advised President Trump, then supported Governor DeSantis, back on the Trump train.
	What would you like to see more of coming out of the Trump campaign in the last nine months?
	Even more talk on the economy.
	Borrow from Ronald Reagan in 1980.
	Are you better off now than you were four years ago, than you were under President Trump?
	Corporate media is trying very hard to push a narrative that the economy is actually healthy.
	It is not, especially for working-class Americans.
	So I think President Trump himself I think he planned that.
	I'm trying to do what I can from the outside.
	As much as possible, point out the massive flaws and anxieties out there,
	particularly among working class people regarding the economy.
	Push back against this media and White House narrative to make sure that President Trump owns this issue.
	And if and when he does, I believe he's going to triumph in November.
	I think he planned that.
	He said, take a leaf out of Ronald Reagan's policies and campaign platforms.
	Why did he say that?
	Because today is the Gipper's birthday!
	He would be 113 today.
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	Yesterday we had a very brave man, a investor from Wall Street, telling us the truth about
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	And we're going to expand on that and what it means for you with our good buddy from Key City Capital.
	Welcome back to America First, Stephen Patterson.
	Thank you so much, Dr. Gorka.
	All right, so I want to tee up our discussion with a kind of, if you know about the economy and markets, a statement like this from Jerome Powell, you know, the eminence grise of the markets, should make everybody sit up and say, well, what did Powell just say?
	Let's play the clip for all of our millions of listeners.
	We mostly try very hard not to comment on fiscal policy.
	You know, instruct Congress on how to do their job when actually they have oversight over us.
	But is the national debt a danger to the economy, in your view?
	In the long run, the U.S.
	is on an unsustainable fiscal path.
	The U.S.
	federal government's on an unsustainable fiscal path.
	And that just means that the debt is growing faster than the economy.
	I have the sense this worries you very much.
	Over the long run, of course it does.
	Effectively, we're borrowing from future generations.
	It's time for us to get back to putting a priority on fiscal sustainability.
	Chairman of the Federal Reserve talking about fiscal responsibility.
	Will you explain to us why dickering with the interest rates is such a political question right now?
	Absolutely.
	You know, the Fed drastically underestimated what inflation was doing back in February of 22.
	And you may remember Janet Yellen and Jay Powell and some others saying that they felt like inflation was purely transitory, meaning it was going to leave as quick as it got here.
	And that clearly didn't happen.
	And 525 basis points of interest rate increases later, We're still somewhat fighting this inflation that has been rather sticky.
	And so in an election year, if interest rates began to cut, then the current White House occupant could say, see, Bidenomics is working, interest rates are coming down, the stock market is going up, homeownership is affordable again, so on and so forth.
	Whereas, you know, the GOP could turn around in the same breath and say, well, we would not have had this problem if you hadn't done an extra stimulus.
	We wouldn't have had this problem had you addressed it sooner.
	And now you're cutting this only to make the current White House occupant look good.
	So it becomes a political football.
	Yeah, it's what Scott Besson yesterday in the program called priming the pump for the guy you want to win the election.
	We're talking to Stephen Patterson, keycitycapital.com.
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	Which has the pedophile symbol on the front door.
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	That's not the issue.
	The issue is what was going on in the back of this place that required so many of the cameras so many of the uh...
	investigations so many of those places double the double window the double pane glass
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	Isn't every window in America double pane glass?
	Yep.
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	All right, let's go straight to your calls, the full call board.
	Oh, yeah, let's go to the person who said he's happy to have Steve back.
	Kevin Austin.
	Dr. Gorka, thanks for taking my call.
	Sure.
	So Steve Cortez from Chicago area.
	I'm originally from Chicago.
	I live in Austin, Texas now.
	And he has a radio show, the same station, one of the stations you're on, AM 560.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He was a voice in the wilderness.
	And one of the first guys to come out as far as supporting Trump.
	So we all get distracted from time to time and kind of veer off the path.
	But I'm glad he's back because I think he's going to be very important when it comes to trying beating Democrats in November because that's what it's about.
	Right.
	And he had a very good outreach to the Hispanic community.
	And he is a radio guy.
	So, yeah, we are very, very, very glad to have him back.
	Let's go to Nancy, Pennsylvania.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	I heard Lips Are Moving, Lying Biden read his joke of a statement that everything wrong at the border is basically Donald Trump's fault.
	But you asked a question about what happened to him when he was stumbling and mumbling, trying to answer a question.
	And what happened is someone must have said something in his earpiece.
	Oh, stop it, stop it.
	There's no earpiece, Nancy, please.
	That's like QAnon garbage, please.
	No, no, no.
	There's no earpiece.
	Thank you.
	Dale, Detroit, line two.
	Hello, Dr. D. Yes.
	Yeah, you already brought it up, but I was calling to let you know that it was Ronald Reagan's birthday, and I was hoping We will be paying tribute and remembering one of the greatest presidents we have ever had for the United States with Conrad Lord Black.
	So stay with us, don't go anywhere.
	Let's go to Victor Silverspring!
	Sebastian, so the Democrats are celebrating the fact that the D.C.
	Court of Appeals said that Donald Trump has no immunity.
	Correct.
	Okay, Democrats, you want to play this game?
	Let's get some Attorney Generals and red states going after, let's see, we'll start with Clinton with giving secrets away to the Red Chinese.
	We could do Obama with Benghazi.
	You know, Victor, there's only 48 million problems with your response.
	But, you know, I like it.
	If they want to strip presidents of immunity, then, yeah, well, what's source for the goose is source for the gander.
	But, number one, we need attorneys who actually have a backbone, attorneys general.
	We don't see a lot of those.
	I think Ken Paxton is, you know, one of just a handful.
	And then secondly, the statute of limitations.
	You can't go after Bill Clinton or Obama unless they committed murder, right?
	Because there's a statute of limitations on most of crimes that is five years or less.
	So I like the idea, Victor, but we don't want to become what they are.
	We believe in law and order.
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	Conrad!
	Yes, sir.
	Greetings.
	Greetings to you.
	We're going to start with a little reminder of President Reagan on his birthday.
	Let's just talk about him for a second and then we'll move on to your latest pieces from the New York Sun and the Epoch Times.
	Okay, good, good.
	Oh, and let's also talk about this decision today in the district court to nullify President Trump's immunity.
	Yeah, well, he just moves to a better court.
	Right, right.
	Have you got my book yet?
	I have not, sadly.
	Jesus Christ!
	All right, I'll take radical measures.
	All right, I'll email you my mailing address.
	All right, 60 seconds.
	Oh, and we should talk about the border, Bill.
	Eric, what do we have left in terms of cuts?
	Well, we have the Brandon John cut we haven't played yet.
	Can you play me that?
	Fourteen.
	What this would do is it would cap it to where we couldn't take anything more than five thousand.
	I'll do the Liz Warren cut with Lord Black.
	Cut three.
	Okay, we're coming with Reagan.
	Okay, so we're going to start with the first one.
	Music.
	Okay, so we're going to start with the first one.
	General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate.
	Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate.
	Mr. Gorbachev, Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.
	There are many things that we can remember Ronald Wilson Reagan for, but I think that speech at the Brandenburg Gate, after which, what, 17 months, I think, later, The peoples of that captive nation dismantled the Berlin Wall with their own hands, with chisels and pickaxes, is the most monumental and geopolitical of things we can count as his legacy.
	Let's put it all into the correct context of presidential politics today with one of your favorite guests, an author of numerous works on presidential history, and most recently, his meisterwerk The Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1, from Antiquity to the Caesars, 14 AD.
	Lord Conrad Black, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you very much, Sebastian.
	That's a very timely quote from President Reagan.
	Well, and I think we had a Vulcan mind meld, because in your latest piece for the New York Sun, you start with this fascinating observation about The Democrats, who apart from Jimmy Carter, have not lost the re-election of an incumbent president since Grover Cleveland in the 19th century.
	It looks as if that pattern could be established now with a third such loss.
	Let's put what Reagan did in context with potentially what my former boss, President Trump, could be doing in November.
	Do you see a historic Yes, to a degree.
	And remember, Cleveland was re-elected in the third election, which is what President Trump is seeking to do.
	They would be the only two presidents who've had non-consecutive terms.
	In that time, where the Democrats only lost one incumbent, you know, the Republicans lost Benjamin Harrison, they lost Taft, they lost Hoover, they lost George Bush Sr., and they lost, in theory, Trump, and, in a way, Gerald Ford, though he was finishing the term for Mr. Nixon.
	The Republicans aren't as safe, but the Democrats, as of right now, Joe Biden looks as vulnerable as any of those Republicans who were defeated seeking re-election.
	And is it down to a similar malaise?
	We saw the loss of American servicemen and women last weekend.
	It's not quite a parallel to the Iranian hostage siege in Tehran.
	But if we compare the domestic economic situation in 1979 with today and also this A febrile, unstable geopolitical situation today with 1979.
	The parallels seem to get closer and closer, do they not?
	And not only that, and of course they do, and you're right, but the condition of the current president is aggravated by two other factors that did not apply to President Carter.
	There is real doubt about this man's cognitive ability.
	And, which there wasn't with President Carter.
	You know, he was an intelligent man, and a very coherent man.
	And secondly, there is this business of the continuing embarrassments and really appalling, at the very least, lapses of judgment, but likely something worse than that, in terms of integrity and, you know, Financial trustworthiness of this president and his family.
	Carter had none of that.
	He was, as far as anyone knows, he was a scrupulously honest man.
	You know, the Bidens look, they look like just on the basis of their, I don't want to prejudge, you know, you give everyone the presumption of innocent, but the appearance is that they're inappropriate people to be in the White House for that reason alone.
	And to your point, it's quite amusing that President Trump once says Nicky instead of Nancy when he's giving a stump speech and for the next 48 hours the mainstream corporate media says, oh my gosh, he's losing his marbles!
	Well, yeah, Nicky, Nancy, not too different there.
	This, this is, this is Biden.
	Talking about having met somebody who's been dead for 26 years, Cut Eleven.
	You know, right after I was elected, I went to what they call a G7 meeting, all the NATO leaders.
	I was in the south of England.
	And I sat down and I said, America's back.
	And later on, from Germany, I mean from France, looked at me and said, You know, how long are you back for?
	There's one thing with the delivery and then to say that after he was elected president he met with Mitterrand at the G7, not the G10.
	It's strange how the corporate media doesn't... There is another point.
	He said all the NATO powers.
	Yes.
	Japan is not a NATO power.
	You know, every illusion Right.
	Right.
	was false. Which I mean mistaken. I'm not saying the president deliberately
	lied. I'm just saying it was mistaken. Right. And the fact that the corporate
	media doesn't touch it at all? Of course not. It's not their narrative.
	It's to pretend this guy's the you know the greatest president since Roosevelt.
	Do you think this will be a factor or is it, to quote a prior politician, the economy stupid?
	What is going to be most on the forefront in the next nine months?
	Can this be denied by the American?
	Well, if the Democrats stick with Biden, I think I would say it's hard to work these things out, but I would have thought the economy will decline a bit because I don't see any evidence we're actually going to have a recession and inflation is coming down.
	But on the other hand, it took such a chunk of people's Disposable income.
	It won't get them back to where they were four years ago, but at least it won't be eating away at them as badly as it has been.
	So I think that will settle down a bit, but still be an issue and a negative for the administration.
	But you also have the sticky fingered conduct.
	You have the open border, which is finally a massive issue everywhere in the country.
	And I think we owe a great debt of gratitude to Governor Abbott and Governor DeSantis
	and others who moved these people from near the southern border and redeployed them all
	around the country so that all the great hypocritical sanctuary cities can see what they're
	getting for their posturing.
	And also this sense, very much like you got in the Carter era, of America being weak in
	the world and not taken seriously and its rivals out of control.
	I think all those are factors, and I think they're all strong and evident in the polls now, and I don't see how they become less so.
	On that aspect of America being weak, we have to play Pentagon Press Secretary Patrick Reidy, who said after millions were spent, 84 sites bombed, 165 high-tech munitions, how many people were actually killed from the Iranian regime?
	Cut six.
	Can you please tell us, did any Iranians die in the attacks on Friday?
	Uh, so, Laura, as I understand it, uh, CENTCOM is continuing to assess, um, but initial indications are, uh, we're not aware of any Iranians killed, but again, we'll continue to analyze, and as we have updates, we'll let you know.
	Circus or pantomime, uh, Lord Black?
	Well, look, I don't think we're deliberately setting out to kill Iranians, but it's possible to do a lot of damage and hammer the hell out of their, out of their clients and proxies, uh, and, uh, and deter a sane and rational government. But that's not what
	we're dealing with in Iran.
	I wouldn't lament the fact that we have not at this point killed a lot of Iranians, other
	than I think we should have attacked Iran directly. And then you would kill some Iranians.
	But those attacks may have achieved something useful without killing any Iranians.
	I don't really want to make that the currency of judgment here.
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	Eric, do you have the diagram now, the list of the aspects of the bill?
	Oh, hang on.
	The bullet points?
	Yeah, one second, one second.
	Weren't we also going to talk about the Trump ruling, the D.C.?
	We will, we will.
	But the border bill first.
	This one?
	Yes, yes, excellent.
	All right, Langford.
	Okay.
	All right, I'll read one, three, five,
	Yeah, one, three, five.
	Those are the important ones.
	And then, if I may tease you out on this, your response to your friend's question, how Donald Trump fits into your theory of history.
	Sebastian, I just solved a mystery.
	You haven't got my book because I see that my letter to the publisher, email, Asking that it be sent was a draft.
	I didn't hit the send button.
	That's my fault.
	Perfect.
	Sorry, but you'll get it in the next few days.
	Exciting, exciting.
	All of that is fine.
	And once it's arrived, you know, when it's convenient to you, instead of the weekly hit, let's do a long, an hour long on the book alone.
	I'd love to do that.
	I'd be grateful for that.
	And if we could do that on Skype, on video link.
	Absolutely.
	Look, I apologize, but does that ever happen to you?
	I have an awful habit of when I'm looking through my emails on my phone, and I know I need to respond to this email, I'll do a reply and I'll put it in my drafts folder convincing myself later that day I will go to my drafts folder and answer that email and sure enough several occasions they stay there unaddressed for far too long.
	I've been there.
	I've been there.
	The secretary is a vanishing person but She's pretty necessary sometimes.
	If I didn't have the services of Eric, my associate producer, and my wife Katie, I don't think I'd have a national TV, radio show, or anything else.
	I'm not a detailed person.
	I don't know about you.
	No, and we had a terrific person here that I think Jeff spoke to often.
	She's married to a dentist and he bought a dental practice out of town so we haven't replaced her yet.
	Oh no!
	How long was she with you?
	Dobrin was with us for 12 years.
	Wow.
	How selfish of her to leave you.
	It's a happy marriage and we're all for that.
	And they're getting wealthy too, I think.
	I think the guy's flourishing.
	So all of that is good.
	So are you on the search now for a replacement?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I have a person in mind.
	I think we'll get someone soon.
	Meanwhile, it is a humbling thing to have to do a lot of this stuff yourself, you know.
	Oh my gosh.
	It's sort of like Mao Zedong sending his generals out to bring in the harvest every five years, you know, just to remind them of what, you know, what peasant life is like, if I may use that expression.
	And then all the things you're worried about forgetting.
	Second and something.
	Seven.
	Coming with seven and then I'll tee up...
	God is killing me.
	Cut.
	The challenge for President Biden is that on the fact the economy is far better now than it was under Donald Trump,
	Trump who failed in his one job.
	React to a crisis.
	As president, you're a crisis manager.
	He was hit with one big crisis, the pandemic, and flubbed it so thoroughly, we're at 14% unemployment.
	Yet people, I hear people... And people died because of him.
	And a million people died, not even some people.
	A million people died because of him.
	And yet you have people saying, I had more money, I was richer under Trump.
	Not true.
	Not possible.
	Not possible!
	You just think things were better because Joy Reid, she understands how the average American is living today.
	She understands how most Americans, the majority of households, could not afford an emergency expenditure of $1,000 or more.
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	Lord Black, we have to talk about the I think it's dead in the water, the Schumer-Biden bill.
	Let's listen to one Democrat senator who's desperately trying to blame its failure for some reason on a man who's not in Congress, not in the Senate, and not in the White House.
	My former boss, President Trump.
	Elizabeth Warren, cut three.
	The reason that Mike Johnson is saying no is not because there's a specific problem with the bill.
	The reason is Donald Trump.
	Because Donald Trump hopes that the problems at the border will be worse because he thinks that will give him an opportunity to be able to run on that and get more votes when he's able Frankly, to call people terrible names and try to demagogue the whole thing.
	Donald Trump is looking for political advantage, and if it hurts this country, he doesn't care.
	And you know what?
	It's not the first time he's done it.
	I'm confused, Lord Black.
	A Democrat telling us there's a crisis at the border?
	I thought everything was just copacetic.
	Elizabeth Warren has become... I mean, you've just reminded me of how inseparable that woman is.
	I insist that she is every male American's nightmare of an overbearing elementary school teacher marching around with a wooden spoon in her hand.
	You know, to smack the wrist of a student or something.
	But in the earlier clip, you had her saying that Trump was responsible for 14% unemployment.
	The Democrats were screaming for the shutdown, and they maintained during the pandemic, for one week, the stance of, we're all in this together.
	And then it was, Trump was the Herbert Hoover of the 21st century.
	He produced this horrible unemployment.
	When they were saying if he didn't shut the country down, he was anti-science.
	I mean, I've never heard of such hypocrisy.
	But as for the comment you just quoted, that's completely absurd.
	This bill is a Swiss cheese.
	I mean, what they didn't emphasize is they're committed to admitting at least 1,400 of these undocumented people and ineligible people, unless they are properly vetted, Let's put a little graph up of some of the most egregious points from the Schumer bill.
	So I'll just read three of them out.
	Number one, work permits for all adult children of H1B holders, expulsion authority For a limited number of days, only if encounters over a seven-day period average more than 5,000 illegals a day, and then... Which they have no ability to estimate accurately.
	No.
	And then immediate work permits for every illegal alien released from custody.
	I mean, why would anyone with the letter R behind their name think that this would pass muster with an America First MAGA party?
	I don't know what Lankford and McConnell think they're doing having anything to do with this.
	As I said a minute ago, in there is the solemn undertaking to admit at least 1,400 of these people every day.
	Over 600,000 a year.
	Now, you know, Jay Johnson, who I believe was Homeland Security Secretary for Obama, said if it's 1,000 a day, it's a crisis.
	So we will now have an absolute minimum of 1,400, and only if we get up to 5,000 a day for a week, with no guarantee of being able to estimate it with any precision, will we shut the border, or do we have the ability to shut the border down?
	Other than that, say it's $4,999 per day, they can just keep coming.
	Correct.
	I mean, it's insane!
	It's a slightly less accelerated program for national suicide than what we have now.
	We have run out of time to discuss your latest piece at Epoch Times about your theory of
	President Trump.
	Everybody can read it at Epoch Times.
	We will discuss it next time.
	But lastly, in the last minute and a half, we have your reaction to the federal court in D.C.
	saying that presidential immunity doesn't apply to one president.
	It doesn't apply to President Trump.
	Well, it's on to a more serious court.
	I mean, he's achieving his objective, as we discussed this when this avalanche of phony prosecution started.
	The dilatory procedures available under the Code of Criminal Procedure in the United States are very extensive, and you can push these trials back.
	How any of these people from Jack Smith on thought they were going to get to court on any of this nonsense before the election, I don't know, because I never thought they would.
	But now the ex-president will go on to a more serious court.
	And on the legalities of what is covered by a presidential immunity, I'm not qualified to express an opinion on that, but clearly it's an arguable issue, so we'll take it to higher court.
	Well then, God willing, those who believe in the Constitution in the highest court of the land will do the right thing.
	The website is ConradMBlack.com.
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	Yeah, you know, every day I speak to... I've spoken to radio stations in 30 states now, you know.
	Wow.
	Can I recommend one of my favorite podcasters with The Daily Caller, Andrew Clavin?
	I'm sure he would love to interview you.
	I'd be delighted to do it.
	Just get him to contact me.
	Daily Y, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I will.
	I'll give him your email address.
	Good.
	All right.
	Looking forward to a longer discussion.
	Yep.
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	Bye-bye.
	Yep.
	Bye.
	Mic's on.
	So the title for that.
	Yeah.
	The Langford Schumer border bill is political suicide.
	Exclamation.
	Play me Cut 14 again.
	Are you still doing the cigar thing tonight?
	Oh, is that tonight?
	What time am I doing...
	620.
	620.
	I was accused yesterday of welching out.
	I never welch out.
	You just have to remind me.
	What this would do is it would cap it to where we couldn't take anything more than 5,000.
	Now this does not say that we're going to release 5,000 people into the United States.
	In fact, it's the exact opposite.
	It says that we will hold single adults in custody.
	They will not be subject to release.
	And so that is a huge deterrent.
	That will deter an awful lot of people from crossing our borders illegally.
	We know What?
	I just, I can't believe I did that.
	And Art Del Cueto as well, right?
	According to Lamb?
	I think I saw him too, in support of it.
	I'm gonna go straight from here to the cigar place.
	You gonna join me?
	Sure.
	Alright!
	Alright.
	Who do we need to tell?
	I think I'll tell Minita.
	He might want to join us.
	Who else?
	Claven?
	Who else?
	Who's the guy that's always there from The Black Guy?
	Oh, the guy we had on the... He used to be a cop?
	The police thing, yeah.
	We should get him back.
	We haven't had him.
	Oh, we should.
	We should.
	We should.
	What's his name?
	He's gone because he smokes like seven cigars a day anyway.
	That guy does?
	I think it was four or five he said.
	Wow.
	We should get Troy Nels there sometime.
	Yes!
	Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Hey, can you reach out to Rob Schmidt's people?
	What time did they say?
	For a pre-record.
	6 what?
	20.
	6-2-0.
	Can you ask them for a later slot?
	How late can they go?
	Don't tell them why.
	Don't tell them it's because I have to have cigars.
	Hopefully they're not watching a rumble.
	Like if they can just go like 20 minutes later or something.
	And then also, Newsmax separately is asking if you can do bowling again tomorrow.
	Because I know you did bowling yesterday.
	If it's free, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Which one is it?
	Red Solo Cup.
	Good.
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	Keep playing it nice and loud.
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	All right.
	Guess what?
	in this Senator's wrangling that they're trying to do in the Senate there, they're really
	trying to stick it to the American taxpayer. Because one of the huge things that they've
	added, specifically the dirty, sneaky, scumbag, Democrat, socialist, is bailing out the blue
	cities, the sanctuary cities. Just like the COVID, whenever they bailed out all the blue
	state pensions with hundreds of billions of dollars, they're doing the same thing with
	the blue state mayors, or blue city mayors, of, hey, here's tens of millions of dollars
	for all those illegal aliens that you're trying to have.
	But it's not just them, it's not just the sanctuary cities and states, it's also Ukraine.
	What the flip is our border security got to do with billions of dollars for Ukraine?
	And I need to go, you know, I don't know if Jeff or anybody on the team has any theories, but the Border Patrol Union have flipped. I don't know if somebody bought them or
	squeezed them somehow. Brandon Judd, who's supposed to be one of the good guys, he's on the side
	of the Schumer-Biden bill. Cut 14.
	What this would do is it would cap it to where we couldn't take anything more than $5,000.
	Now, this does not say that we're going to release 5,000 people into the United States.
	In fact, it's the exact opposite.
	It says that we will hold single adults in custody.
	They will not be subject to release.
	And so that is a huge deterrent.
	That will deter an awful lot of people from crossing our borders illegally.
	We know that the main magnet that people cross our borders is because they're going to be released into the United States.
	Once you stop that magnet, you will You will stop an awful lot of people from coming.
	John, that's a lie.
	I think you haven't read the bill.
	We just read out the opposite of what it actually says.
	Why are you doing that?
	Jeff, what's going on?
	Have they bought these guys?
	Have they bought the union?
	What's going on?
	They've destroyed the Customs and Border Patrol and now these guys are saying, we love Biden?
	There we go.
	Okay.
	There was a big increase in funding for it, says the Customs and Border Patrol.
	By over a billion.
	So now they trust them, right?
	So they can hand out more diapers.
	I have no idea.
	I'm just guessing.
	Nothing else makes sense.
	Eric?
	I think Jeff's theory is as good as any.
	They're desperate for some kind of scraps of extra funding from the federal government, so they'll roll with it.
	Let's go to Hawaii.
	Ro May, welcome to America First.
	Aloha, Dr. G. Thanks for sending me your book, The War for America's Soul, and congratulations.
	I love it.
	Love it.
	I'm halfway through.
	And congrats on your wife Katie's book.
	I can't wait to read that one.
	And I need some inspiration.
	I'm now a temporary Republican precinct chair in Hawaii.
	We're tackling voter validity, but it's not about What I thought stopping the dead people from voting or ballot stuffing is about using school IDs to vote and attempts to remove my candidate, Mr. Trump, from the ballot.
	Today, we had a hearing, and many patriots of Hawaii submitted testimony to oppose SB 2392.
	They obviously want to keep Mr. Trump off the ballot.
	We know the focus was on him, even though they denied it.
	I'm a God-fearing woman, where I fear God, not man.
	So please, Dr. Gorka, inspire me.
	Is there hope against the extreme, less comprehensive attack on us?
	Let me flip it around.
	What would our Founding Fathers say to you?
	Bingo!
	It's like, I'm not going to ask people anymore who come on my show, are you optimistic?
	It's like, I don't care whether you're optimistic or not.
	We have no choice.
	We must save the Republic.
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	If she can do it on Hawaii, nobody's got an excuse anywhere listening to this show.
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	I I
	I have children who attend schools who have soccer games, y'all.
	You know, you all are asking me as if I'm not a parent in this city.
	I get it.
	I'm mayor.
	I get it.
	But you're asking me to give you a date, and I have to court... Do you understand that you have not had a mayor like me?
	I get that.
	I have a wife, I have children, they have schedules.
	And plus, we still have public safety that we have to address.
	We still have the unhoused that we have to address.
	I still have a budget that I have to address.
	And I'm doing all of that with a black wife raising three black children on the west side of the city of Chicago.
	I am going to the border as soon as possible.
	I'm confused.
	Eric, so that's Brandon Johnson, right?
	Mayor of?
	Chicago, Illinois.
	And where did he grow up?
	Did he grow up in Texas?
	He grew up in Illinois, according to his Wikipedia.
	Jeff, you know that neck of the woods.
	Do black people who grew up in Illinois say y'all?
	I don't think so.
	I don't think that's a Chicago thing.
	And why is the skin color of his wife and his children relevant?
	And also, hang on, what's with this, I have to take them to soccer practice.
	What's wrong with that?
	Um, kid soccer games in February in Chicago probably aren't happening right now.
	These guys are just such a bunch of... They just lie straight to your face.
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	All right, my former boss recently endorsed somebody on his Truth Social account.
	Let's read what he had to say about this individual, because we like to support people who are team MAGA.
	It is my great honor to endorse Brandon Gill for U.S.
	Congress in Texas 26.
	He is the clear America First candidate, is as loyal and as tough as they come.
	He's a cowboy!
	He's a businessman.
	He's a husband and a father and a true patriot.
	But he's also on the show right now.
	Brandon Gill, welcome to America First!
	Dr. Gorka, thanks for having me.
	So who are you?
	Why are you doing this?
	And most important of all, because I think it describes the metal from which you are made, which political freedom fighter dynasty are you married into, Brandon?
	Well, I'll start by telling you a little bit about who I am first.
	And thank you again for having me on the show.
	I grew up On a cattle ranch in West Texas, outside of Abilene, Texas.
	I like to say I was raised on a ranch with 300 head of cows, four dogs, and a donkey named Barack.
	And they actually say y'all there, right?
	And they actually say y'all.
	I actually say y'all.
	And that is not a political move as it is in Chicago, I assume.
	Listen, I grew up in West Texas.
	I am a cowboy and I appreciate President Trump calling that out.
	I have had a career in finance.
	I left that so that I could get into the conservative media world.
	I started a news outlet called DC Inquirer, which is a pro-Trump, unabashedly conservative America First news outlet that President Trump even reads and shares on his social media pretty frequently.
	As you said, I did marry into a bit of a political dynasty.
	My great father-in-law, Dinesh D'Souza, who I'm very proud to say that he's my father-in-law.
	He's a great patriot and a great, great grandfather to our little daughter, Marigold.
	Were you trepidatious?
	I mean, you have a beautiful wife, but having to get the permission for the hand from Dinesh D'Souza, a great friend of mine, a great patriot, did you get butterflies that day, Brandon?
	I did.
	You know, he was never really Dinesh D'Souza to me in a sense.
	He was always Danielle's dad.
	And that was the difficult part of meeting your girlfriend, or was my fiancée at the time, meeting her dad.
	But listen, Dinesh is a, he's a great father-in-law.
	Like I said, he's a great grandpa to little Marigold, but he's also a political mentor of mine.
	He's obviously a brilliant guy and it makes for a particularly interesting, you know, Christmas dinner discussions.
	Oh, I'm absolutely positive of that.
	So what is a cowboy?
	What did you say you had a donkey called Barack?
	Did I hear you correctly?
	Growing up, we had a lot of animals and we had a donkey.
	And the question is, what are we going to name this donkey?
	And I looked at my parents and I said, well, you know, I think the most, uh, the most fitting name, the most suiting name for this donkey is Barack.
	And that's what we called him.
	I love it.
	All right.
	So tell us why you're doing this crazy thing as a former cowboy and a media entrepreneur.
	Why you're, why you're running for the congressional district at 26 in Texas.
	Sure.
	Like, you know, let me put it this way.
	Um, One of the reasons that our country is in such a terrible state, whether it's open borders or inflation or dirty books in our children's schools, we know that the left is crazy and that they're pushing us off a cliff.
	But we've got to have a right side, a Republican Party, a conservative movement that's willing to stand up to them.
	And from what I've seen for far too long, we've had a Republican Party That's living in the past.
	We've had a Republican Party that's living as if we're still in the 1980s, as if the Democrat Party that we're up against is the Democrat Party of Tip O'Neill or the Blue Dog Democrats.
	And the reality is that Democrat Party is dead.
	It's gone.
	And it's sad to say, but it is.
	The Democrat Party that we're up against now is much darker.
	It's much more sinister.
	This is the party that's trying to take the leader of their political opposition, President Trump, off the ballot in the name of democracy.
	This is the Democrat Party that embraces open borders, that's going to spend our country into oblivion while putting dirty books, pornographic books into our little children's schools.
	And if we know that that's the Democrat Party that we're up against, we've got to get a Republican Party with some backbone, a Republican Party who's actually Has some spine and is going to stand up and fight back.
	And that's what I see that's missing in Washington and I'll tell you that's exactly what I'm going to do.
	Well, if you've been vetted by the likes of Dinesh D'Souza, then you must be a patriot.
	I've got a good friend running in District 26, Brandon Herrera.
	Great to see another mega-patriot in 26.
	Please support this man.
	Brandon Gill for Congress.com.
	That's Brandon Gill.
	FORCongress.com and follow him right now on Twitter at RealBrandonGill.
	Keep us apprised of how it's going.
	God bless you and all speed to you.
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	What did he say?
	say.
	We should say I had a donkey called Barack.
	That is pretty great.
	But if we're going to promote his candidacy... We need MAGA patriots in Congress, that's why I'm running.
	Should we get Herrera back on the show?
	Should we get Herrera back on the show? Those partners are coming up.
	No response from Thingy Ray.
	Thank you.
	Who?
	No, no, sorry, Eric, from Newsmax.
	Um, they said the latest they can do is 6.30.
	Shit.
	Okay.
	Should I ask them to push it back to the live 7.15 hit?
	Why?
	Was that an option?
	That was an option.
	They asked originally for pre-recording at 6.20 instead of live 7.15.
	Oh!
	Oh, ask them if they can do live.
	Okay.
	Because I'm going to go straight from here for cigars, so...
	I'm going to go straight from here for cigars, so...
	You can't see the end of the road.
	You you
	You're listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump.
	We discussed it on my Newsmax show.
	We discussed it yesterday on somebody else's Newsmax show.
	We need to do it here as well.
	Father of three and former Trump administration official Mike Gill died on Saturday, only days after he was shot during a carjacking in Washington, D.C.
	His wife issued the following statement.
	It is with profound sadness that I wish to inform the community of the passing of my husband, Mike Gill.
	His sudden departure has left a void in our lives that can never be filled.
	In this time of grief, we are grateful for the outpouring of love and support from family, friends, and the community, and extend our heartfelt gratitude to everyone who has reached out to offer condolences and assistance.
	Mike was not only a devoted husband and father, but also a cherished son, brother and friend.
	Over the course of his remarkable life, Mike brought people together and made them feel included, supported and loved.
	His heart was evident in everything he did, as demonstrated by his mentorship and deep feelings and friendships with those who he worked with professionally.
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	Mike was on his way to pick up his wife, not in some ghetto at 3 a.m., but on K Street, 5.45 in the afternoon.
	A carjacker shot him in the head.
	He fell out of the car.
	The carjacker went on to steal another vehicle, kill another innocent man, and then finally was himself shot by police in New Carrollton, Maryland.
	We've had more than a thousand carjackings in this city in the last 13 months.
	We've had record homicides, record-setting since the early 1990s.
	None of those people were wearing a red MAGA hat.
	I guarantee you they were all Democrats who voted for Joe Biden.
	We need to take our country back.
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	We were told incessantly when he was in the White House that the cause of World War III would be my former boss, President Trump.
	Strangely, the obverse was the case.
	For four years, no new wars, or no new dumb wars, as the President liked to say.
	We brought our troops back from places that they were no longer needed.
	But with a very light footprint in places like Afghanistan, we kept the peace and we made sure our enemies were afraid And our friends were reassured.
	Well, that all ended on January the 20th when a man who'd been a machine politician for 47 years became stunningly the 46th President of the United States.
	Since then, the collapse, the surrender in Afghanistan, the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, the slaughter of the innocents in Israel on October 7th, and now the death of our servicemen in Jordan.
	What have we seen in response?
	Let's break it all down with somebody who has supported this show so fully.
	we are very grateful to a former member of the Trump cabinet, an individual who served
	our nation honorably in two different armed services of the nation, was responsible for
	all readiness and personnel in the Pentagon, and then rose to the position to look after
	our warriors, our veterans, as the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, the honorable, my friend,
	Secretary Robert Wilkie.
	Welcome to the studio, sir.
	Thank you.
	You left out one budding conflict.
	Yes.
	Half of the Brazilian army is now mobilized because the communist dictator that Joe Biden appeased from the beginning of his administration Maduro has now said he wants half of the former British Guyana,
	the half that contains the latent mineral wealth of that country,
	to which the Brazilians have responded by massing their forces on the border
	to prevent that from happening.
	Joe Biden killed our domestic energy production, then he went begging Maduro to produce oil that he could
	buy on the cheap in exchange for lifting the Trump-era sanctions.
	But you left out one thing about Joe Biden's past.
	This is a guy who even opposed killing Osama bin Laden.
	Correct. You could read, I think it's the memoirs of Robert Gates,
	that the Obama cabinet, Obama...
	So strangely for a man who'd slaughtered 1,900 almost, no sorry, who'd slaughtered almost 3,000 innocent Americans on 9-11, Obama took a cabinet vote after they'd located him in al-Badabah to ask, should we kill him?
	And he slept on it after the vote, but the only dissenting vote was his vice president!
	Can I give you a contrast with Abraham Lincoln?
	I don't know the issue at hand, but it's a very famous Lincoln story.
	He said, oh, I think this issue requires a vote.
	And there were only seven members of the cabinet.
	Let's see, seven votes no, one vote aye, the ayes have it.
	That was how Lincoln conducted it.
	And can you imagine Truman or Reagan or Roosevelt or Nixon?
	Let's have a vote.
	Let's make sure that the Secretary, in Nixon's case, HEWs online with me resupply the Israelis.
	Let's start with that.
	So we have so much to discuss in terms of your former portfolio, the Pentagon, what has been done with the veterans, and what needs to happen with all of our armed services after, God willing, if we do our part, the re-election of President Trump as the 47th Commander-in-Chief.
	But you are a true adept At strategy writ large, along with our good friend Victor Davis Hanson and Lord Black, I think the three of you are the best positioned on our show to talk about the big picture stuff.
	That's quite a compliment.
	Well, I mean it sincerely and we really appreciate your support here and on Newsmax as well.
	Could you talk for a moment about, what is it, the phrasing from Clausewitz, that war is simple, it's not easy, But it's simple.
	And at the end of the day, it is about the decisiveness you just illuminated.
	And it's about understanding when force is applicable and how to marshal your forces to best deploy that force.
	Could you illustrate that in terms of the four years of the Trump administration, which you served, contrasted to the last three?
	Just the vault of fast, the complete opposites that those two represent.
	Right.
	What was fascinating to me about President Trump, and for the first year and a half I was at the Pentagon, was that this was an individual who was not schooled in the same things I was schooled in.
	I mean, he was a businessman.
	He didn't sit there and spend his college years studying Lenin or whomever, or American strategic thought.
	But he looked at the map and instinctively, and I know he said this to some of his generals, why does it have to be that way?
	Why did the Arabs have to be in perpetual hostility toward the Israelis?
	Because in some ways he was a good version of Lyndon Johnson, because Lyndon Johnson always believed if you got people together and he could put his pressure on them and do the Johnson effect, they would come to the table.
	That didn't work with Ho Chi Minh.
	But Donald Trump was a much more savvy interlocutor, negotiator, and he has an instinctive
	understanding of what people want.
	So, in the Middle East, think about it. Peace amongst Arabs and Israelis. Until Biden,
	the sidelining of the Palestinian issue as a valiant issue for the Arab governments,
	Trump went to them and said, why are you doing this? It is in your people's interest,
	your economic interest, to tie your flag to the mast of this little country that is one of the
	20 largest economies on the planet. And you saw the expansion of peace.
	This administration undid everything, because Trump did it.
	And even at VA, just to give you an example, President Trump was not happy, and nor should he have been happy with what was given to us by Obama-Biden.
	A moral-bound institution, low morale, according to CNN.
	37% approval ratings.
	Deaths in the hallways in places like Phoenix.
	And Trump said, clean it up.
	We got rid of 8,000 bad people.
	2,000 of those for grievous misconduct.
	And morale went.
	Right.
	Because people knew what their jobs were.
	They didn't have to worry that someone else would drag them down, a bad actor.
	Because Trump knew how to run a business.
	Well, and we also said that the bureaucracy can't be the center of a veteran's health.
	It has to be the veteran.
	Now, that sounds sophomoric, but that's not the way it was under Obama-Biden.
	Everything flowed in and out of the headquarters, and what do you do to make sure that everyone stays within VA?
	Not, what do you do to make sure that that American is healthy?
	And in the first six months that we implemented full choice, Half of the veterans on the rolls went into the private sector.
	So what did Biden do when he came in?
	First thing he did was say his priority is transgender and DEI.
	At VA.
	At VA and union prerogative.
	What word is missing from those top three?
	Veteran.
	Then he tanked private care choice.
	Then, working with the unions, he brought them all back, with back pay.
	What does that do to the morale of the veterans?
	Oh, it's right back to where it was.
	Those were the veterans.
	That's right.
	And that's the tragedy.
	Now on the international front, the first thing they did, because they saw that President Trump and his
	immediate family in the White House were very close to bringing the Saudis fully into the community of nations
	by establishing relations with Israel.
	First thing they did when they came in, the Biden people, is they threw the Saudis overboard.
	They made the crown prince a pariah and went across the Shad al-Arab to appease the mullahs.
	And what did they do?
	They transferred tens of billions of dollars to them.
	They relieved the sanctions.
	They emboldened the fanatics.
	And destabilization occurred throughout the Middle East.
	And we saw the fruits of that on October 7th.
	We're talking to the former Secretary of Veterans Affairs in the Trump administration, the Honorable Robert Wilkie.
	You can catch him with regularity, especially on my shows on Newsmax, where he is the Senior National Security Analyst and also Distinguished Fellow with the America First Policy Institute.
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	Now you said that of course the former president wasn't steeped in the art of national security
	or grand strategy, but he has such a passion for it.
	The first time I met him in the summer of 2015 when I was asked to advise him on the GOP debates, first time ever in Trump Tower, we had this free-range discussion for about 40 minutes.
	From everything to include the Civil War, to nuclear weapons, to the rise of ISIS, clearly a man who's very engaged and very interested.
	Could you give us a glimpse of how that iconoclastic approach informed your working relationship?
	Because the idea that somebody can come in from the Pentagon to VA and get rid of 8,000 oxygen thieves, how did that happen?
	Well, let me talk about Trump's model of governance first.
	Because he'd run large, massive organizations, he knew he couldn't know everything, and didn't want to know everything.
	So, the guidance was strategic.
	It was at this level.
	He said, I don't want to know how you do it.
	Do it, and if you need my support, we'll get it.
	And my goal was, at least in terms of the relationship, was to keep him informed, I would tell him when I thought something was big that he needed to know.
	I didn't overwhelm him with, oh, look how wonderful we're doing.
	That's not a way to operate with the President of the United States.
	But his guidance was very businesslike.
	If you don't perform, you're gone.
	It's not more complicated than that.
	And he wanted to find ways to do this.
	that had not really been done before because people are afraid of enraging the bureaucracy,
	the deep state.
	And this was actually the ideal place to do it because you don't have to work hard to
	explain to the American people that you have Americans who've served, they're being ill-served
	by the government.
	And here's how you fix it.
	It's not a hard sell.
	Right, it's not a hard sell.
	And that was the ideal place to do it.
	And I think what he wanted, and I've not asked him this, was that to be the model for everybody else.
	Look, here's how you do it.
	Now, granted, I did have one authority that most of my colleagues didn't, in that because there was such a direct relationship between the performance of a civil servant and the health of an American, I mean, direct, not like HHS, which, you know, you go through five million programs, that I could do it a little easier than my colleagues.
	But that didn't mean that they couldn't do it.
	But was that a statutory difference or just a packaging and communications?
	Because come 2025, God willing, that's going to have to happen everywhere.
	Part of it was statutory in the sense that President Trump in 2018, right before I got there, pushed through not only the Veterans Choice Bill, but gave the Secretary powers to remove poor-performing employees, a power that didn't exist for everyone else. Now, this administration
	and this National Labor Relations Board said, oh, no, no, no. The Merit Protection Board
	governs. When our Justice Department argued when the unions first
	There's an old principle in the common law.
	Last in time, first in right.
	Here is legislation that says the secretary can get rid of those who do not perform.
	That supersedes what began in the 1880s after Garfield was killed when they created the civil service protection system as a result of the death of a president of the United States, never envisioning what the federal government would become, and that you can't blast these people out.
	So that was really the model, and I think it will be the model For the next Trump administration.
	Is it replicable across other departments?
	Yes, it can be, yes.
	What, by the dent of an executive order, or?
	It would be a combination of executive order and congressional action, I think.
	But the executive order would set the tone.
	But in principle, all of these people work for the president, so they should be able to get rid of them.
	And then, you know, the establishment howled, how can you do this?
	Well, the issue was the health of millions of people who had served.
	Let me answer your previous question about the difference.
	Now at the Pentagon, what we are seeing now, the lowest budgets Since the Korean War.
	The Korean War, the Defense Department spent 11% of GDP on defense.
	Next year, because we'll be dealing with a Biden budget, we'll be down to 2.7%.
	The low had previously been $19.99 under Bill Clinton, which is at 3%.
	Biden has exceeded that by leaps and bounds.
	Now, I will quote the Wall Street Journal.
	His Boswell's at the Washington Post.
	and the New York Times are heralding this budget as the largest in history.
	But in real dollars, because of Biden inflation and Biden incompetence,
	the spending power of the Pentagon has just gone right through the floor.
	Other thing, President Trump threw out the old two regional war contingency.
	So what does that mean?
	The Pentagon had convinced itself that wars would be like Iraq or Panama,
	either a small nation or a mid-sized nation with incompetent leadership
	and clowns in command of the forces.
	Trump came in and said, no, that's not the future.
	The future's China.
	The future could be Russia.
	Grand power competition.
	Again.
	It's back.
	Biden got rid of that.
	And now we're looking at a mentality within this administration and its Pentagon that still looks at the world in the two regional constituency construct, which is why we so readily run out of ammunition.
	Because they have no idea, and they certainly aren't taking any of the lessons from Ukraine, that a fight that we can't deter Which we should deter, but a fight that we could see coming will look like Ukraine.
	A protracted fight and the winner will be the person, the country with the staying power and the country with the industrial base to sustain that conflict.
	We don't have that right now.
	China's on a path to 495 ships.
	Biden has got us below 300 and sinking rapidly.
	It's not a function of my being in the room, I just happen to be there at the creation, but to the Secretary's point, if you haven't read it, to understand the tectonic shift of what the President did when it comes to national security, read our National Security Strategy.
	I'm completely bipartisan.
	From Clinton to Bush to Obama, every national security strategy was garbage.
	It was a laundry list.
	It was zero prioritization.
	We came in and we said some things matter more than others, and we talked about the return of ground power competition.
	There is a classified annex, but read the unclassified NSS, National Security Strategy, to see clarity on how President Trump saw the world and the truth about the threats to America.
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	Let me go a little bit broader aperture on the political environment, or rather the civilizational environment.
	There's a wonderful video I recommend to all of our Listeners and viewers, I think it's at Hillsdale.
	It's about 50 minutes long of Professor Victor Davis Hanson discussing Patton.
	And he puts Patton in the context of Ajax and Donald Trump.
	And I'd like your reaction to this thesis about President Trump that civilization, societies and nations that are on the brink of collapse or destruction Need an Ajax, need a Patton, need the great strategic brute who comes along, saves that nation, saves that civilization, and then like Churchill after 45, are jettisoned.
	Right.
	Because they're just, they don't have the right accent.
	Break glass only in the middle of war.
	Right, right.
	Is President Trump of that ilk?
	And despite that, can we get him back?
	We can get him back.
	And I think actually, I think we will get him back.
	He is of that ilk because he doesn't want it.
	In fact, he gave me a button that I wore at VA and it was dot dot dot because it's always been done that way.
	That is the worst thing you could ever tell a boss.
	I took that to heart because you just mentioned something.
	You mentioned the continuum.
	Well, we'll go back to Clinton, maybe the first Bush.
	Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden.
	If you look at their reasons for being, the status quo was always preserved.
	The basic assumptions of governance were never challenged.
	Yes.
	And that was the same on the national security front.
	Because we've done it this way, therefore.
	And the best and the brightest tell us this is the way to do it.
	Of course, I don't mean to be crass, but if you want to see a monument to the best and brightest, I'll take you over to the 56,000 names on the Vietnam Memorial, some of whom I knew growing up.
	Because you grew up for Brad.
	And I used to say that growing up in that world, there were times when a child was called to the principal's office.
	And I know people in Britain experienced this in World War II and certainly in our country during those great conflicts.
	We were aware that there were times when one of our classmates was called to the front, wasn't going to a doctor's appointment.
	One story that stuck out with me, I have a friend, a classmate, I think Denise, In 1975, when Congress, including Joe Biden, refused to support President Ford's plea to let the Air Force loose on the North Vietnamese after they'd broken the Paris Peace Accords, and Joe Biden was standing in the door saying no, even though we could have devastated them.
	President Ford and Don Rumsfeld said, well, we've got to evacuate all of the orphans in Saigon.
	Rumsfeld labeled it Operation Babylift.
	And one of my classmates, Denise, her father was a master sergeant in the Air Force, medic, Denning Cicero Johnson.
	He volunteered.
	178 orphans on the C-5.
	It didn't make it past the end of the runway at Tonsonoot.
	Forty-something years later, when I was secretary, I brought Denise to the wall to see her father's name on that.
	And what does that mean?
	That means that we are a nation that, for our history, We are the only nation in the history of the world that has provided a helping hand to all the peoples of the world, including our enemies, because we believed that we were the best hope of man, that we were a nation whose principles were worth defending.
	I'm writing a piece now where I argue that that is not the case, particularly with this administration.
	That they paint us as irredeemably racist.
	They see that our international legacy is repugnant.
	And the same thing is happening in Britain.
	Your friend Daniel Hannan wrote in The Telegraph today, why do young British men want to sign up to defend a country that they're being told is nothing but a history of slavers and racists?
	Not the country that saved Western civilization on its deathbed.
	I mean the empire on its deathbed.
	That is a hurdle that only someone like President Trump can say enough.
	It's like the old Buckley line about National Review standing throughout the world and yelling, stop.
	And the revival is going to have to come, not just from the president, but from the bottom up.
	Because we're in bad, bad shape right now.
	We're talking to former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, the Honorable Robert Wilkie.
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	Day 1.
	If you're in charge, if you're the... Let's make you a Kissingerian individual.
	You are not only the Secretary of Defense, but you're also the Chief of Staff of the White House.
	What has to happen day one for the next 48 hours in terms of salvaging our armed forces and getting America back to where it should be?
	Well, some of the things that would salvage the armed forces would be applicable to the rest of government.
	Let me give you an example.
	When President Trump came to office, because of, I would say, the swamp with the Republican version, he did not have the support that other candidates would have received.
	He only issued a handful of executive orders.
	And he was only able, I think, to place 500 people on day one in the agencies.
	Contrast that with Joe Biden.
	Dozens and dozens of executive orders.
	Thousands of people descended on the administration.
	So, that certainly needs to happen, that we have a list of folks who can descend and stop the rot before it begins, the assaults before it begins.
	Important places like the council's offices.
	And those offices that really hold, really the gatekeeper for policy implementation make sure that your people are in charge.
	The second thing is that you will need the president and the secretaries to issue orders in tandem.
	Now I think most of our folks would expect On day one, the President to issue an order firing anyone who was involved in DE&I.
	Getting rid of every training element.
	That would have to be augmented at the Pentagon, for instance.
	Orders from the Secretary eliminating all vestiges of that that would not be The U.S.
	Air Force just had a full day of diversity training for all the Air Force.
	Right.
	It is vile, what has been done at our academies.
	And the Supreme Court punted, as they always do, and I understand some of the reason.
	Instead of applying the Harvard case and the UNC case, they deferred because they don't want to get involved in the day-to-day operations of the military.
	That's been something they've said for two centuries.
	But those kinds of things need to go.
	Immediately restore the Trump national security plan.
	And reinstate the simple things, like the physical fitness standards that existed before this administration came in.
	This is what I want to ask you, given what you did, well, the fact that you've served in two different armed services and what you did at VA, what is it going to take to fix morale across the services?
	Well, I think the easiest thing is to tell people the politics are gone.
	You signed up to defend the country.
	We're going to let you defend the country.
	We're not going to take you on some side adventure down the climate change rat hole or the Ibrahim Kendi anti-racist rabbit hole.
	That kind of thing.
	That restores morale.
	And if you don't like it, you can quit.
	Getting rid of the separation.
	You know, the military exists.
	You know that famous speech of Patton, which he gave, you see it in the movie.
	He's got four stars on him.
	He actually gave it when he had two stars, or one star.
	It was during the famous Louisiana Maneuvers.
	And he talked about individuality and individual thought.
	Well, that's not for us.
	We're a team.
	We're a unit.
	We dress the same way.
	We train the same way.
	We live with each other based on those precepts.
	Of shared sacrifice.
	That needs to be restored.
	All of the things that make the military a unique culture which have been destroyed by this administration.
	I'll give you an example.
	We have a secretary of the army who says that now 79% of the soldiers in the army come from second, third, fourth generation soldiers.
	70 plus percent?
	79%.
	She said we don't want you.
	Legacy?
	Because by bringing you in, this is at war with diversity.
	And it creates a professional military case.
	Now, I can't imagine anyone saying that because your father was a doctor, we don't want you to pursue that.
	Or in New York City, because your father and grandfather were policemen, we don't want you to.
	Well, in New York nowadays.
	Well, that'd probably be right in New York.
	But that's the kind of assault on the very foundations of what it means to serve the nation.
	And...
	And you're discouraging people from doing that.
	By the way, the Secretary of the Army's priorities, not one priority has anything to do with deterring or, if need be, defeating an enemy.
	It's all social justice.
	And of what you have described, How long would it take to actually make a meaningful difference in our preparedness and our morale?
	Well, on the preparedness side, that's going to take a while.
	You know, because you're a great historian, in World War II and in the Reagan administration, Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman, World War II and then Reagan, gave enormous power to something called the Defense Production Board.
	Sent to industry, this is what we need.
	You will do this.
	And we funded a military that defeated great powers.
	Right now, the industrial base has shrunk.
	Ukraine is a wake-up call because we've run out of basic munitions.
	It's worse in Britain.
	I think I mentioned to you a few weeks ago that they've got enough artillery and precision-guided munitions to last two days.
	By the way, the other thing that I will mention about a Trump presidency, and I would expect his Secretary of State and his Secretary of Defense to be dispatched pretty fast, particularly to Europe, and I support NATO, but I don't support an organization, with the exception of our Eastern European friends, not living up to its commitments.
	Now, we are so closely aligned with Britain, but I'll give you a few frightening, well, one frightening statistic.
	The combined numbers of Brits in the British Army, the Royal Navy, and the Royal Air Force, combined, is smaller than the United States Marine Corps.
	Which is 130,000.
	The British Army has fewer troops than the active component that lives at Fort Bragg.
	We can't do what we need to do, as President Trump pointed out over and over again, unless these nations commit themselves.
	I will not name the embassy, but I was at an embassy function, a small embassy function.
	Eastern European nation.
	And, you know, they're doing everything that they can because they live next to the base.
	They understand.
	And, you know, they pray for the day that the balance of power, the fulcrum of NATO shifts from Berlin to Warsaw.
	Warsaw, yeah.
	Which I think is happening.
	And the way the British economy is going, It'll be smaller than Poland's pretty soon.
	Yeah, yeah.
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	Maybe an unusual question, but it's triggered by something that another good friend of ours shared with me.
	A lot of people listen to this show outside of the US, and many who are in positions of government import, maybe work at missions here in the United States, they really believe I would say, tell me a war Donald Trump initiated.
	dangerous and he'll start wars. If you could have an audience speaking to our allies and
	partners who have been infected by the legacy corporate media's lies about this man, what
	would you say to them in two minutes?
	I would say, tell me a war Donald Trump initiated. Tell me an Eastern European nation, you know,
	in our lifetimes released from the shackles of communism that wouldn't follow this man
	the drop of a hat.
	Because they know he understands what's wrong with the world.
	And I think it's not much more complicated than that.
	I was looking, we lost 65 soldiers during Donald Trump's presidency.
	That's the total?
	That's the total.
	65?
	65 in four years.
	Oh my gosh, wow.
	Most of those young men and women died destroying ISIS.
	Right.
	That's an incredible number.
	And it's a number I would ask people to think about.
	When we were threatened, the response was swift and devastating.
	But the premium was on getting people in and out.
	And on decisive action.
	On decisive action.
	Not what we're seeing now.
	This tit-for-tat, which gives the enemy the control of the operational tempo, where we are attacked 170 times and we spawn 5 times.
	And blow things up in the middle of the desert at the same time.
	We're signaling to the other folks when and where we're coming.
	So that the bad guys we would want to get are gone.
	And I would then ask them, not only were you safer, was America safer abroad, were you safer on the streets?
	Did you have more money in your wallet?
	Did you feel better about where America was and where you were in your community?
	And if you're honest, and you're not part of that Boston, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle continuum, I think the answer for most people, and you're seeing it in the polls, is yeah, the cities weren't collapsing like this.
	It's not a difficult question.
	As the great Ronald Reagan asked in 1979, I'm better off than you were four years ago.
	Ask that question again and answer it honestly.
	And when it comes to national security, as I closed my Oxford speech that you might want to watch on YouTube, when we were in the White House, Our friends were reassured and our enemies were afraid, and that's as it should be.
	It's up to us, dear friends.
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