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Doug Collins LIVE: It's all over but the crying

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	So, I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	Music.
	This is America First, and we are delighted to welcome our very special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	All right, everybody.
	It's Manic Monday.
	It's time for those of you out there who still have a candidate in the Republican primary, namely Donald Trump.
	It is time to look at it and say, yes, we're back where we need to be.
	For those who are also still holding out hope that Nikki Haley can do something in New Hampshire, Well, good luck with that.
	We'll see how that works out here tomorrow in New Hampshire.
	We got a big show.
	Seb is out at the SHOT Show, so I am here in the house representing Glock.
	One of my favorite gun makers who happens to be here in Georgia as well, but we're going to have a great show today.
	We've got John Solomon, we got Sarah Carter, Ashley Hayek from AFPI, we got Guy Reschenthaler, and we have Fred Flights as well.
	But first off, as we get started out of the block, I mean, sometimes you just, I don't understand this, we have to pace ourselves, but today This is just like the NASCAR season.
	Daytona 500, one of the best is starting us out.
	John Solomon, how are you doing, my friend?
	I am well, Congressman.
	Good to be with you.
	Good to be with you, too.
	I got this and we're turning the tables here.
	I'm going to have some questions.
	I love being on your show as well.
	Let's just start off a little bit because you've been doing a lot of research.
	We've got the Hunter Biden stuff.
	We've got the Department of Justice stuff.
	If you're Jack Smith right now, John, I'm going to take it just a second.
	If you're Jack Smith, where do you feel like you are?
	Especially we see some of these tumbling blocks.
	We see now the process slowing back down as it should be slowing back down.
	And even having the judge say, hey, quit giving motions here.
	In fact, I don't even want you to do it anymore.
	Where do you think Jack Smith's head is right now?
	Well, he's in a holding pattern and frustrated, right?
	You can see that in his court filings.
	You can see that the judge has slowed him down.
	But if I'm Jack Smith, I'm also worried about something going on down in Georgia.
	Today, the divorce proceedings from the special prosecutor hired by Fannie Williams, where there is allegedly evidence of an affair, they've been unsealed.
	That's the first thing that's problematic.
	But the second thing is the Lieutenant Governor, Bert Jones, just said a little bit ago
	that the Senate has agreed to open a full inquiry into the Fannie Willis prosecution of Donald Trump
	and these questions.
	And the affair is one thing, right?
	There's the allegation of misconduct of a taxpayer, but there's something else that's far more important,
	I think, at the end of the day, to the origins of all of the Trump cases.
	There is a record of a meeting, at least a billing for it, either there was false billing or it's true,
	where the special prosecution team working for Fannie Willis is listed as meeting in Augusta, Georgia
	with the Biden White House.
	Now, why would the Biden White House be involved at all in a state criminal prosecution against the President of the United States, former President of the United States?
	That's the first thing, and that's where the Georgia Senate is going to go.
	They'll look at the other issues, the salacious issues, but Finding out for the American public why the Biden White House had anything to do with the criminal prosecution in Georgia is very important.
	And it's especially important because last year, as you know, I think you came on the
	show I did this, the day I did this, we discovered a record in which the Biden White House told
	the NARA, the National Archives, to sick the FBI on Donald Trump in the classified case,
	the classified records case.
	So you have two instances now where a White House that should not be involved in criminal
	prosecutions and investigation appear to be at the instigation points of investigations
	and prosecutions of Donald Trump.
	That's where this is going to become important.
	And if I'm Jack Smith, you know you're going to get tired with this, even if you're not
	the guy in the middle of those meetings.
	Well, I mean, John, you have the absolute debacle in New York City with Alvin Bragg
	and Letitia James.
	I mean, you have those two cases, two separate cases, just completely, you know, stupid in many ways.
	And I'll use the legal term stupid there.
	My law school would be so proud.
	But then you've got this.
	You're exactly right.
	I mean, because everything that goes on here, Donald Trump has said all along, look, you're out, they're out to get me.
	And this is Jack Smith in the same pool with these other cases.
	So it looks like that's actually happening.
	Two things, and I'm glad you pointed this out, one of those sealed divorces, that's going to be interesting going forward, but this contact with the Biden administration is so important because, look, can you imagine if it was found out that the Trump administration had met with investigators and the whole script was flipped?
	It'd be front page news everywhere.
	Oh my gosh.
	Without a doubt.
	It would be bad.
	How, though, did we get this?
	Because one was in Washington, one was in Athens, Georgia.
	They were not going to a Georgia football game.
	They were, this was, they had to be discussing this.
	Where do you see this taking it from a more public perception model?
	And will Jack Smith have to back off a little bit because of this perception?
	Well, listen, there is a question that one has to wonder.
	Did Jack Smith ever have any contacts with the White House prior to his appointment or during the process of his early investigation that led to these multiple indictments that he's brought?
	We know for sure that the White House had contact with NARA, using NARA as a cutout to send the criminal referral and the documents to the FBI, which is how you start an investigation.
	Why they're down in Georgia, and by the way, Did anyone in Georgia have contact with Jack Smith after they had contact with the White House?
	Did they do another backdoor where they funnel the evidence to Fonny, and Fonny sends it to the Justice Department?
	Why do we think the White House has evidence on January 6th?
	We know it because the January 6th committee sent a whole bunch of documents, according to Congressman Barry Loudermilk, who a great Georgian on my show broke this a couple months ago.
	He said, hey, the White House has sent some of the transcripts, and when we got them back, they redacted our own work product.
	So, the White House was gathering January 6th evidence, and now it has at least two alleged contacts with the prosecutor who brings one of the January 6th cases.
	This is serious stuff, and you're right.
	Not only if it was Trump, in any other era of American journalism, except the current one, this would have been front page breaking news.
	If this was in the 90s with the Clintons, or the 2000s with the Bushes, If something similar had happened, journalists would realize how important this is.
	Here, as we see over and over again, the mainstream media is part of the protection racket of Joe Biden, and they're not covering this with the same certitude or aggression that the facts merit.
	Yeah, John, always starting out with you is just like opening a fire hose.
	I mean, because there's so many things we can talk about here.
	And I want to bring in one that you brought up and mentioned that it's just as a member, a former member of Congress who dealt at its, you know, committee level, highest levels and dealing with, you know, the intelligence reports dealing with Department of Justice and Judiciary.
	I still do not understand how Benny Thompson, Liz Cheney, the rest of the J6 committee got away with destroying documents.
	Taking documents and making them unavailable, sending them to other branches or people outside the federal government, and nobody seems to care.
	Benny Thompson just, you ask about it, well, yeah, whatever.
	And you're seeing what Barry talked about, they're getting redacted information from congressional sources.
	Again, is it just simply a matter of the protection racket, or what is it that's going to finally push this over the edge?
	The Democrats could care less about the rules or actually investigating, they're just covering up.
	Well, just a few minutes ago, a couple hours ago actually, on Just the News, we broke this story, which is that Congressman Barry Loudon, chairman of the Oversight Subcommittee of House Administration, says that there were 117 documents that were deleted from Congress two days before Republicans took over.
	These are all January 6th depositions and other documents.
	Someone went in, deleted them.
	And then also password protected him before they deleted him so that if someone recovered him, he still wouldn't be able to get past the password.
	If the January 6th Committee's work was righteous, like it says it was, why would it be deleting things like Richard Nixon's gap in the tape?
	Why would it be password protecting something so that other members of Congress couldn't see its work?
	The January 6th Committee has its own really significant issues.
	And then when you consider that that troubled committee had contact with the White House, and then the White House had contact with that now troubled prosecutor in Georgia, You're starting to see a pattern that is very disturbing.
	It really does look like an enemies list effort to gather all the Democrats who have a beef with Donald Trump, get them to work together to try to bring some form of prosecution that would ruin his 2024 election chances.
	That's the big fear that, you know, people who've been investigating this are beginning to see the outlines of and the evidence they've now gathered.
	Yeah, real quickly, John, one of the things is there's just so little you can do to an actual sitting member of Congress, especially inside the Congress itself.
	But there is one thing that can be done.
	Why do you think it cannot be happening?
	I've got to go real quick here.
	Why has there not been Benny Thompson referred to Ethics Committee?
	Any of the members who are still there could be referred to Ethics Committee for destroying those documents.
	Do you think that'll happen?
	Look, I get it why they don't maybe want to, but at some point we may have to do that.
	Yeah, I think that's a high possibility.
	Gonna be new developments later this week on some of the Democrats in Congress around January 6th.
	Gonna blow a lot of people's lids off.
	I think you'll see a referral at some point.
	I got it.
	John Solomon, the best there is.
	y'all make it out we'll be right back on Seb Gorkas.
	America first.
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	you Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for watching.
	You're listening to America First!
	special guest host former congressman Doug Collins.
	All right, we're back after that with John Solomon.
	Glad to have you all back with us today here at America First.
	Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka, who is out at the SHOT Show.
	If you're out there and you happen to see him, please go up and say hello and tell him that we're all fine here back at the shop, taking him down.
	Now, as we move to New Hampshire, as I said before, it's coming to an end very quickly.
	I called it last week.
	Somebody asked me about the horse race coming out of Iowa.
	I said, well, there's only one thing about the Iowa horse race.
	The horse died in Iowa because this is pretty much over.
	As we're looking at, and Sarah Carter, You see her all over the world.
	Sarah is always a great friend of the show, but also a great friend of ours.
	And Sarah, it's always good to see you, talk to you.
	You're in New Hampshire.
	Tell us what the field looks like.
	It's so great to be with you, too, Doug.
	I'm here in New Hampshire.
	I'm actually sitting at a diner, the Red Arrow Diner, and I love it because just like I did in Iowa, it's great to be just down home talking to regular folks and learning what it is that's most important to the American public, especially with the primary.
	So I'm happy to be here, excited to be here.
	And realizing even as far away as New Hampshire does, immigration is one of the top concerns that the citizens have and that's something that I've been looking into now for more than 20 years.
	Exactly.
	Sarah, before we get into immigration a little bit further, because I think it'll be one of the defining moments of this election cycle.
	They have so bungled this issue that I believe it will.
	But let's go.
	A lot of things happened in the last 24 hours.
	You're on the ground in New Hampshire.
	Nikki Haley had a very uphill run to start with, even in New Hampshire.
	And to appeal to, quote, liberal and independent moderate voters is not the way you win a national Republican primary.
	So it's an outlier to start with.
	Ron DeSantis has dropped out now.
	Do you sense a change in talking to people that now there's just more of a realization that Haley is just in it to finish this up and see where it goes from there?
	Yeah, there's certainly that sentiment.
	You can feel it when you talk to folks here in New Hampshire.
	I mean, certainly when you look at the MAGA supporters that were behind Trump from the very beginning,
	there's a sense now that, you know, a lot of people are pushing, saying,
	well, why isn't Haley just going to, you know, drop out now?
	I don't think she will. I don't think — obviously, she won't.
	I think she wants to hold on strong.
	I think she wants to try to hold on until she gets to South Carolina.
	I don't know. A lot of people say that's probably not a good decision.
	She's probably not going to win.
	But I think that, you know, this is what a primary is all about.
	It's about shaking it all out, putting all of the policies out there on the table
	so that the American people can pick who they want to represent them.
	Especially right here now in New Hampshire, when you see that Ron DeSantis has dropped out,
	he's given his full support to President Trump.
	Right now, President Trump looks to be ahead by double digits.
	This is going to be an extraordinary time in American history. And look,
	President Trump, for a lot of the people that I've been speaking to out on the street,
	they are most concerned right now about what they're seeing at the U.S.
	border.
	They're very concerned about national security.
	They're concerned about the economy.
	They're concerned about their families, about their child's education, about the future direction this nation is taking.
	I spoke to people who said, hey, look, we're even concerned right now about growing anti-Semitism in the United States and the divide that we've seen.
	I think the important thing right now, now that we've seen Governor DeSantis step aside,
	and now it's a two race.
	You know, you've got Haley, you've got Trump, but I think the biggest thing for anyone right now
	is going to be unity.
	It's gonna be unifying people, bringing people together, making people realize, look, we're one nation.
	We've got to fight for what's important.
	We've got to stand up for those principles.
	I think President Trump was doing that and he was pushing that message of unity.
	I think that we're gonna see more and more of that.
	in the upcoming days and certainly, certainly once this shakes down to just to the winner
	and more than likely everyone's looking at that being President Trump.
	Exactly.
	I think there's a lot we could talk about and I just don't see a reason why Nikki Haley would want to go on to South Carolina and where she's down, you know, more than double digits there.
	But let's bring it back to the border real quickly.
	Does it bother you that right now we're seeing one of those famous deals come together in the Senate?
	Now, I like Senator Lankford, I've known James for a long time, but it just bothers me right now that this is an issue in which Joe Biden has finally figured out, at least his team has, this is a problem.
	Are you concerned about what's going to come out of those negotiations as not being the real things that we need and simply a ploy to put more money to basically prop up a system that is broken?
	100 percent.
	100 percent.
	We have rules in place.
	This is a simple solution to the U.S.
	southern border.
	Put out the message and do it with action that the border is not open for business.
	We are losing not only American lives, but there are people dying.
	Right now, the numbers are over 2,300.
	2300 illegal migrants that we know of that have lost their lives attempting to enter the United States illegally.
	We've got the drug cartels and the human traffickers making hundreds of billions of dollars off of this horrific, nefarious actions that are just targeting our national security, targeting the American public.
	People are tired of this, Doug.
	They're sick and tired of it.
	There is a way to shut this down.
	And it's embarrassing that not even the Republicans can resolve this problem.
	You know, everybody's kicking the can down the road.
	Oh, we want to keep the government open.
	We don't want to shut anything down.
	We feel bad for the Border Patrol because if they don't get their paychecks, Border Patrol is going to get their paychecks.
	Federal, they're going to get their paychecks.
	The problem is nobody wants to resolve this.
	The problem is, is that both sides are somehow benefiting from this horrific, horrific open borders policy situation that has put everybody's life in danger.
	And there has to be a moment in time where people are going to stand up and they are going to fight back and they're going to say no more.
	And those are the elected officials that we need to put in office.
	Those are the people that are going to do the job, not just talk about it, but actually do it.
	And I think the American public is, this is the reason why you're seeing this huge shift again, where the American people are saying no more, we're fed up, we want that border closed down, and they have every right to say it.
	We're losing too many lives with that border being open.
	Well, and I think it's amazing.
	The Biden administration is not held accountable for the lives that are lost because it is their policies that have encouraged this.
	And they can't say that it's not because all you got to do is look back to the to the last year plus of the Trump administration, which those numbers were cut down to to basically next to nothing.
	And we were not seeing what we're seeing right now.
	And I think that's the problem that we're moving into.
	But again, it is amazing to me that as you look at this from an electoral standpoint, Uh, Biden really has no way to go on this because they're frankly people are starting to see it not from the heat, just from the human suffering side, but from the drug side.
	Is that what you're hearing?
	Maybe a little bit in New Hampshire and Iowa and other places.
	It's not the human trafficking side of the problem, but the drug side is a problem as well.
	Oh, 100%.
	100%.
	This is certainly, certainly about the drug side.
	We have lost so many Americans to fentanyl poisoning.
	So many of our children have lost their lives to heroin addiction and fentanyl addiction.
	And I want to stress that again.
	There are many, many people in this country that believe they took a Percocet, that believe they took a pill, or that did drugs at a party, or young people who were unaware of what was happening to them until it was too late and they lost their lives.
	This is a proxy war against the United States This is a proxy war by our adversaries.
	People, uh, certainly China is a major player in this, and people within the Mexican government that are on the take by these cartels, and frankly, people within the United States.
	And when the Chinese government and our adversaries operate like this against us, and we allow it to happen, and in particular, our government allows it to happen, I would have to say that that is a dereliction of duty of the word.
	It is.
	Sarah, thanks for everything.
	Sarah, we got to get, but thank you for everything.
	We'll see you again in New Hampshire.
	We'll be back here on Seb Gorka Show
	just in a few minutes.
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	Alrighty, we've had it started off fast here today.
	If you want to be a part of the show, I would love to have you on here.
	Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gork on America First.
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	That was perfect bumper music by one of the best crews in the world behind the Seb Gorka Show,
	because it fits the That smell is coming from the United States Supreme Court.
	In all fairness, it just broke just a moment ago while we were at break.
	Court ruled 5-4 that federal agents can order votes to federal agents to cut razor wire in Texas installed on the U.S.-Mexican border.
	Amy Comey Barrett and John Roberts sided with the Biden administration.
	uh to allow the razor wire to be cut in essence just opening it up any and opening it up further uh to Basically what has become an invasion from the South.
	Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh all would have rejected the Biden issue here.
	Folks, I'm at a point now, I get in some ways the legal argument, if you want to say states should not be a part of immigration, I'll give you your right, your constitutional understanding, but at what point can the state protect itself?
	And this may be a novel legal theory doctrine here, but is there a possibility that there is a state such as Texas or Arizona or New Mexico, that there is a way, California, that there are ways that they're enhancing, protecting themselves?
	Not necessarily they're enforcing or not enforcing, you know, immigration law.
	I mean, I get some of the stuff that they just passed in Texas, I understand why they passed it, but, you know, it's going to run up into the Constitution.
	But this issue of why they can't Why the federal agents are now going to be, instead of stopping people, instead of keeping them out of the country, instead of turning them back and working to protect our border, they have now been told that they have to follow the just absurd policies of Mayorkas and the Biden administration and cut down the razor wire that is at the border.
	Why?
	I mean, at this point in time, I have a curious question.
	I've not read the opinion here, but I'm curious.
	Is this also applied to the wall?
	Or is this simply the wire that was put up by Texas and others, you know, to keep them from coming across?
	I mean, you're on a slippery slope here in some ways.
	If you're saying that one protection is not good.
	And one protection is good.
	I mean, again, a lot to digest here.
	I'm not about to say that I'm putting all the pieces of this legal argument together.
	But I am saying it is amazing to us that while we just got off of the show with Sarah Carter, we were talking about the border.
	I mean, I don't think there's probably many reporters in investigative reporters in the country that have as much time at the border as Sarah does.
	And in doing so, looking at this issue and talking about the things that matter and talking to these border patrol agents and talking to the the border patrol unions talking to the ICE agents who've been moved talking you know many of you for the long time your passports were getting uh it hard to get them back and longer to get it back why because a lot of the employees were being taken to do the clerical work uh for the border side you had also the TSA you've had all kinds of being moved assets moved to the border not to keep people out
	But to smoothly process them right on into the country.
	We, I mean, this cannot be set up any worse.
	I cannot think of a way in looking at this that we are having this discussion.
	I do not hear, you know, these discussions in other countries.
	I mean, in fact, when they have had issues of migrant crisis, especially in Europe, look what's happened.
	When you have no way to control who comes into your country, you are asking for problems.
	And this is not about ethnicity, this is not about race, this is not about anything else, but there is a simple aspect of protection for a country that Democrats, conservatives as well, Republicans, liberals, we have the concept of this is my property, this is my line, you don't cross this line.
	This is why I believe that it is important many times for the liberal pundits out there to not say anything about the border because they're more inclined to say this is a communal country in which we want to see everything shared.
	If you've ever seen the attacks on the big corporate giants or the multi-billionaires and multi-millionaires when Bernie Sanders can only look at somebody who's successful and say the reason That I want to tax them out of existence is because they're so successful is you're seeing the same thing.
	And I know for some of you out there driving along, you're saying, Doug, what are you talking about here?
	No, look, if, if there's no protection of inherent property rights of the country itself, then how are we going to have property rights for you and I?
	Again, I mean, you may say that's an overreaction.
	Well, what's happening right now on our border is an overreaction.
	We'll be back in just a minute.
	Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka on America First.
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	Would love to have you be a part.
	Still got Ashley Height, Guy Restenthaler, and Fred Flights coming up.
	We'll be back in just a minute.
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	You're listening to America First with special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	There we go.
	Money, money, money, Monday.
	They must be talking about, uh, the Biden super PACs because, uh, they're wanting it all as they go.
	And we see money thrown around everywhere, but today's money Monday, uh, for a lot of different reasons.
	Main reason is, is that we got elites who are giving money to make our country and look away from the problems on the border.
	Look away from the problems of our foreign affairs in EPNAS.
	And try to deflect the voters into being mad at somebody who doesn't have the polish that they think is proper for political office.
	And I think the problem with that is that most people are tired of being pandered to,
	which we've seen the Biden administration do on so many accounts in their just amazing,
	blatant lies many times to the American people.
	The economy is better.
	Well, no, the economy is not better.
	You made it worse to start with.
	Well, we had to fix what was left with us.
	No, you were left with a good economy.
	Again, we were just talking about this offline.
	I mean, it's amazing how people actually felt better.
	I've always used the right wrong indicator as being one of how do I feel about when I
	go out and I'm able to purchase, I'm able to do things with my family.
	And whether that's economic, whether it's a social issue, whether it's a safety issue, that's the right-wrong indicator that you see in so many of these polls, Gallup polls and others.
	And right now I just think that people, it's going to be interesting.
	And I've got a friend of mine who is very much a liberal, very much a Democrat.
	Broke it down, and I'm tending to agree with him in this, that we're about 45-45 in this country right now.
	There's going to be a 45% vote for the Democrat, 45% vote for the Republican, and there's about 10% in the middle.
	But I'm one to say there's not really a 10%.
	What we've got to do is find out which way they lean typically, and then that's where we have to knock this out.
	Because those are the issues that this campaign is going to come down to.
	The three issues Number one, I think economy in general sense, if the numbers on houses and rents and money are coming in.
	Number two, that's going to be immigration.
	We've just been talking about the disaster on our immigration policy.
	And then number three is foreign affairs and national security, which typically do not play in a national election.
	I'm going to hold that and get back to it as we go.
	But right now we got Rick from Phoenix.
	Rick, welcome to the show.
	Hi, Doug.
	Thank you.
	And thanks for taking my call.
	Hey, I'm calling with a suggestion for a possible ad for the upcoming campaign.
	I'd like to suggest that migrants be featured and say, if you came to America for freedom and opportunity and want it to be that way again and in the future, vote for President Trump and his movement.
	Rick, thanks for the calling.
	I mean, I agree, but the one thing I disagree is we need to target those to the legal immigrants who've come here.
	Because the one thing I'll never give in on is illegal immigrants should not be able to vote in this country.
	And if that's what's happening in some of these areas, or there's some funny business going along to allow them to do so, then I agree.
	But what you, Rick, you've hit on something very important.
	I appreciate the call.
	Thank you for calling in.
	If anybody else wants to be a part, 833-334-6752 to be a part.
	But you've hit on this issue that they're one of the reasons I believe you're seeing the turn in Hispanic vote you're seeing the turn in Asian vote and frankly in the African-American vote that is going more toward Donald Trump right now.
	And also by the way you don't see this going to Nikki Haley you didn't see it going to Ron DeSantis this was all in the Trump Uh, sphere, which I think is just amazing that the people don't talk about this.
	Um, Nikki Haley is not expanding the base and Nikki Haley is playing to the base in the old school Republican base has been there.
	Ron DeSantis may have started out that way, but he didn't, uh, expand out of that.
	In fact, he, his best day was the day he announced on Twitter, which was, uh, it was, you know, uh, they had the high hopes for him to go higher.
	Trump is the only one and it drives the commentators nuts.
	that is actually expanding his base.
	Remember, it was Trump who actually told African-American voters in 2016, what have you got to lose?
	I posit the question right now to the listeners all across the country.
	What does any group have to lose when it comes to those trapped in Democratic-run cities and Democratic-run states like California, New York, and Illinois in particular?
	I mean, the worst could happen is your taxes may go down or stay the same.
	Instead of getting tacked out of existence, having a city that is full of excrement and looting and everything that's going on in our San Francisco and in Los Angeles and others where you have prosecutors who are not prosecuting crimes, Donald Trump's at least asking the questions.
	And you may not like how he asks it.
	You may not like how he puts it.
	But the truth of the matter is, is that you go to the restaurants like Sarah Carter was in in New Hampshire and others, you go into your hometowns and this is what people talk about.
	And I've said this before, I'm going to say it again.
	I believe this is a 2016 style election, not a 2020 election or even going back to 92 or 2004.
	This is 2016 and here's why I say that.
	Democrats are running, the Biden administration is running these big theme elections.
	You know, Bidenomics, which they're backing off of now.
	Trump bad for democracy.
	Democracy is in action.
	This is the same people who called the Senate Bill 202, I think it was, down here in Georgia about election.
	They call it Jim Crow 2.0, along with the President of the United States.
	And when actually we began the voting, we saw not just increased turnout among minority populations, but we saw quicker, efficient ballot counting in Georgia.
	Now there's still ways to go and reams of stuff to do down here, but we're moving better.
	And yet these are the same people who also declared in 2018 that Stacey Abrams won the Georgia governor's election.
	This is all of the same people that in their first speech to Congress in 2017, Jamie Raskin, I'm watching you.
	You were one of the ones standing on the floor contesting the electoral results from states as they came in.
	That was your first act in Congress, Jamie election denier.
	If that's what you want to call people who stand up and question an electoral college vote, you're an election denier, Jamie.
	And I've known you for a while.
	You're better than that.
	I guess not now because you see it as a popular political term.
	These are the kind of things that we're looking at.
	Rick's got the idea right.
	I think I'm going to tweak Rick's idea and say, though, let's target those newly citizens, those who come here who can vote, that are immigrants, whose family did what it took to come here the legal route.
	That's the ones who need to make sure that you have people who are going in front of your family members, in front of the other people from your country, and from others who came to this country and want to work and want to be a part of this country.
	You're the ones that are stepping in front of them.
	And I think when we understand that, when we understand where we are, then we begin to make the move forward.
	Now, when you understand that, that also takes that you have to be listening.
	That's why you have Seb every week here on America First, telling you what is going on.
	That's why I, Doug Collins, am spending some time with you today.
	We're glad to be a part of the show while Seb is out.
	833-334-6752.
	We have so much more.
	333-467-52. We have so much more. Take a quick break and come right back.
	333-467-52.
	Thanks for watching!
	You're listening to America First!
	With special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	All right, we're here.
	You too.
	The Edge playing piano coming up into a wonderful guitar solo.
	Yes.
	Outstanding as we go.
	Hey, real quick, we're going to get to, we got one quick call here.
	Bill in New Jersey.
	Hey, we just got a couple minutes.
	What's up on your mind today?
	It's Doug.
	What's on my mind is how the infiltration of the Democratic Party into the Republican Party is actually causing us most of the problems.
	And I'm thinking that we need to put some kind of a card out, like a baseball card, with senators and congressmen, show their voting in the back, and get these out.
	Because Trump has enough people backing him today, where if we were able to get these cards out there, the people that are backing him would see who the real rhinos are in their state, and maybe we can get rid of some of these communists that are pretending they're Republicans, because they're not.
	And everybody knows they're not.
	Yep.
	Hey, Bill, Bill, I think you got an issue.
	The problem right now is, is that we, and this is the big issue, is that we have got to get better.
	And Bill, thank you for your call today from New Jersey.
	I mean, you're keeping the fight going in New Jersey.
	Thanks for doing that.
	Um, we've, we've got a problem.
	And it is becoming not just the fact that we have to, it's a military terminology here, we've got to look at the battlefield and we've got to determine where the battle needs to be fought.
	And what we've got is, is we can't take, we've got people who always talk about, you know, conservatism and being a part of conservative movement, but yet when it comes to actually moving the conservative, the line forward or moving the front line forward, we can't Get together enough to actually pass something that would get us there to then move the ball down the court, not giving in, compromising away our values.
	We don't need to do that, but we've got to be able to push this down the field.
	And by not being able to push something out and only talking about it, then having to go to a vote in which you have one more Republican than the majority pass this CR package, which again, It goes to a failure, even when I was there, this failure of wanting to take hard decisions.
	Democrats do it differently.
	And I think, you know, frankly, I think too many Republicans only caricature what Democrats do.
	They don't understand what they do.
	They understand that if they get more than what they had at the beginning of the day, it's a win.
	Even if they gave up something somewhere else, if they're moving the ball consistently forward, they're winning.
	And that's why you don't see them in tough votes when Pelosi had the same majority as we did and do in this Congress.
	Ours actually shrunk a little bit.
	She passed big pieces of legislation.
	Why?
	Because she knew she was getting a little bit of what she needed.
	She didn't get all she what she wanted, but she passed the COVID relief bill.
	She passed the infrastructure bill.
	She passed the Build Back Better bill.
	These were all things and other bills underneath that she could pass that actually moved an agenda.
	We have got to move past fighting and on to winning.
	That's the key right now.
	And if you're listening to me across the country and you don't like what I just said, I'm sorry.
	Call in 833-334-6752.
	But unless we win, it doesn't matter.
	Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka.
	Glad you're with us.
	833-334-6752.
	Ashley Height on the other side of the break.
	We're looking forward to talking politics and rank choice voting.
	Get ready.
	you you
	Thank you.
	.
	You're listening to America First with special guest host, former Congressman Doug Collins.
	All right, we're here, we're back.
	Can you believe it?
	Can that first hour have gone any faster?
	I mean, I'm telling you, folks, we had John Solomon, we had Sarah Carter, we talked to callers.
	I mean, about lots of things going on.
	We've got a big hour coming up here.
	And unless I choke myself to death, and then we'll figure that out as we go.
	Look, we're also following the scenes down in the Georgia race.
	We have had it confirmed.
	John Solomon broke that news here at the top of last hour that the divorce proceedings and Nathan Wade's divorce, which involved Fonny Willis and others, have been unsealed.
	We'll see how that all plays out here in the next little bit, because I think that's going to be an interesting argument as they go forward on the viability of this case.
	And as others have said, the problems developing out of Georgia will continue into The other cases that are going on as well.
	But right now I want to bring to the table and onto the show Ashley Heick.
	Ashley right now is the Chief Engagement Officer for AFPI.
	She's a good friend of mine.
	We work together.
	I started up in helping with AFPI Georgia and also anywhere Ashley tells me to go, I also do that as well for them.
	But she also does America First work.
	She goes back to coalitions together, Coalition Director for National Trump-Pence campaign back in 2020.
	She's also the mother of five, married to a Marine.
	You know, there's no Marine.
	This Marine, I'm sure, is scared of nothing but her.
	So at this point, we've got it all going.
	Ashley, it's so good to see you.
	Thanks for being a part of Seb Gorka's show today.
	Thank you for having me.
	I'm excited to join you.
	Well, that's good.
	First off, let's talk about elections, because that's sort of your wheelhouse.
	At the end of the last segment, I had a caller calling in about, you know, doing things and Republicans being Republicans, and I get all that, that we were talking about how that actually played out.
	And then we also talked about coalitions.
	That's something in your wheelhouse.
	It's interesting to me that Donald Trump's base has always been expanding among African Americans, Asians, Hispanics.
	But you never heard that about Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley or the other candidates.
	What makes that just special?
	Yeah, that's something that President Trump worked on from day one when he took office.
	I would say even back in the 2016 campaign, he has a very wide appeal.
	And I think it's because his policies are not traditional conservative policies.
	And we're beginning to see to just such a clear distinction.
	He is such a marketing genius when it comes to what does America first policies mean.
	Build the wall during the swamp and just really talking about the forgotten man and woman and this to be able to communicate that in a way that is just resonates with the American people is really unique and not something that you know a lot of Politicians can do.
	And I think a big reason is because he actually believes it and he cares about it.
	And he has his family who's doing the exact same thing.
	When I was the coalition's director, you know, the coalition's department was something that they prioritized and they cared about.
	And from day one, they showed up and they wanted to invest in communities that were historically, you know, underserved and forgotten.
	One of the things that we can point to are opportunity zones that he made a priority.
	Lifting people out of poverty who lived in really impoverished areas, making sure that parents had control of their children's education, which is also a cornerstone of the America First agenda from AFPI, America First Policy Institute.
	All of these things resonate with just different communities, but also it's how he delivered it.
	You know, when I was on the Trump campaign in 2020, we made sure that we were talking about, you know, communism and freedom in Miami-Dade with the Cuban population and Hispanic Americans are not monolithic.
	So what Cubans, you know, the Cuban community agrees with and prioritizes and how you communicate is going to be different than, you know, the Mexican Americans that are predominantly in Phoenix, Arizona, for example.
	And so making sure you're identifying the right message with the right people in the right way is really important.
	You could say the same thing for women.
	A woman who lives in inner city or in a downtown is going to view issues very differently than a suburban mom.
	And so we have to meet people where they are, and that's something that Donald Trump and his campaign have always done exceptionally well.
	And that's why I'm glad to be affiliated with AFPI overall, and especially here in Georgia and across the country as we work together on some of this stuff, because it is... I've always said this, and I say this, Ashley, and you've heard me speak some, and I speak all across the country, and I tell people, you know, look, most people are genuinely conservative whether they realize it or not.
	They don't go out and overspend their checkbook.
	They don't go out and do things that are, especially economically, they tend to care about other people.
	They tend to care about their communities.
	They care about their schools that their kids go to.
	And these are things that we've just got to do a better job communicating on.
	We've had an interesting conversation.
	The Gorka Show has some great folks behind the scenes that put this show on every day.
	We've had some great conversations over the past hour.
	One of those is which is talking about the younger generation at 35 and under, is what I'll just talk about it now, and the economic issue.
	You mentioned Empowerment Zone, Opportunity Zones and others.
	How does Well, I think we're already starting to see that.
	out off air that has basically grown up in a bad economy, except for the few years of Trump.
	How do we get them to understand that the economy can be better and not what the Democrats
	have been selling them for most of their adult life?
	Well, I think we're already starting to see that.
	And the reason I say that is on social media, we see how younger, 35 and under are saying,
	well, I thought this was my starter home and I don't see the ability to purchase a,
	or upgrade my home anytime in the near future or even be able to purchase a home at all.
	So I think as you get older, there are things that happen in your life that are real moments that truly impact you.
	So for example, um, when you finally get married and you have your children and you're told that if you don't, um, raise them a certain way or, or the government is going to co-parent with you.
	As a mom, I think most moms are going to say, no, you aren't.
	Those are my children.
	They're common sense policies.
	And so I think we're seeing, you know, as you're, you know, purchasing, you're going to buy your own groceries or, you know, wanting to make bigger investments or make more money.
	They will be impacted at some point and they're going to come around to it.
	One thing I also was just thinking about as we were talking about this is Donald Trump has a really specific, he's got a brand and his brand, if you look at The Trump Organization.
	It's really cool.
	And people want to be a part of that brand.
	And he spent a lot of his life building that brand.
	And it's, I think, very appealing.
	The other piece of this is Donald Trump always says, they're coming after you.
	I'm just in the way.
	And you just talked about, you know, the district attorney in Fulton County, Fannie Willis.
	You look at Alvin Bragg in New York.
	You look at Jack Smith.
	Then you look at what the Department of Justice has done to the school board moms.
	We look at what they've done to the veterans, to the Catholic churches, and you realize, okay, I could be next.
	I could be next.
	I don't know, if I don't agree with this government, will they come after me as a parent, as a Catholic, as a veteran, etc.
	So, across the board, I think that goes beyond any sort of age limit as well.
	I agree.
	And one of the things we're just finding out, and for some of us who've been watching this, and I was deeply involved in it when I was in Congress, especially the Judiciary Committee, is this continued overreach of the Department of Justice into people's lives.
	And now we're finding out that they were watching us if we went to Bass Pro Shops and, you know, buying guns.
	All I ask is if you're going to watch me, at least give me a 10% discount for watching.
	I mean, because I'm going to go to Bass Pro Shops.
	I want to turn the question just a little bit.
	We're going to talk politics here.
	What we're seeing in New Hampshire, I think, you know, is Donald Trump solidifying the base.
	I think he's going to win by multiple points.
	I think this race is over there.
	But I'm going to bring out something from your past because I'm curious about this.
	I was a kid in North Georgia who grew up watching California.
	I mean, if you think about it, all the shows, it was Chips, it was everything, you know, from the 70s, 60s, 70s, 80s.
	California was this place everybody wants to go, and if you look at the politics of that time, it was very conservative in California.
	Orange County, Ronald Reagan, we had all this coming up.
	You're from Clovis, a little town in California, agricultural.
	How do you see it as someone a native of California?
	And I've talked to members of Congress from out there as well.
	What do you think led to the change in the last 20-25 years of California that we don't really see, you know, that we've seen now turn to that basically liberal bastion?
	Yeah, I mean, it's really when the left got control of the legislature, specifically, everything started to shift dramatically.
	You had Pete Wilson, who was governor, and then after that was Governor Gray Davis.
	If you remember, he had a, I think it was like $15 billion deficit.
	Keep in mind now it's $70 billion, and he was recalled because that state deficit was so huge, and Arnold Schwarzenegger came up behind him.
	And in Arnold Schwarzenegger's first term after Gray-Davis was recalled, he had all sorts of different sort of legislative items.
	Now, he had a Democrat legislature, so he tried to run ballot initiatives in California, and they failed miserably.
	The teachers' unions came out full force.
	The unions own California, bottom line, the teachers' unions, the municipal employee unions.
	There is no power to the people.
	It's all about the elitism.
	And it's not the union workers, don't get me wrong, it's the union leadership that is calling the shots in the state.
	They own the legislature, the Democrat legislature.
	Now they have super majorities in both chambers.
	And then what ended up happening beyond that, I remember this specifically, I believe it was in 2016 was when they passed automatic mail votes, ballot harvesting, et cetera, in 2018.
	I was running campaigns and we would send people to knock doors with like little lanyards that said no official
	ballot collector A Republican is not going to give you the ballot period. It's
	not happening and so we lost we lost big time and they went on to the
	college campuses and They have complete control
	The Secretary of State, you can't clean the voter rolls in California if you don't have an amenable Secretary of State.
	So it just spirals.
	That's what it is.
	Hey, Ashley, we're going to be with you.
	I want to come back to something that's coming up here in Georgia.
	We've seen it in Alaska.
	It's called Ranked Choice Voting.
	If you've not heard of it, you need to hear about it.
	And also some of the things going on.
	We're going to continue this conversation right after the break with Ashley Hyatt.
	Stay tuned.
	Thanks for watching.
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	All right, we're back and we're back with Ashley Hyke still with us here.
	Ashley, I want to take a turn on this conversation.
	We talked in general about the election and where we see Trump.
	A lot has been made about the last few years about election integrity, election making sure every vote counts, you know, the whole problems that we had with, you know, people being just sent ballots without requesting them, all this kind of stuff.
	And we saw a lot of it here in Georgia.
	There was a lot of issues.
	Um, and again, not looking backwards, and I think many people get confused when you talk about, oh, you're just trying to go back and relive election.
	No.
	Um, I think it's been said, I think Hogan said it, I think you've said it as well.
	It's, it's, the question is, is how much of a, uh, you know, fraud or how much of an impropriety are you willing to take?
	And I think that's going to become a bigger and bigger issue as a way to frame this as we go forward.
	But one of the things that raised its head a few years ago, and like all liberal things in my mind, it comes in this guise of, oh, we're going to help out and we're going to save money.
	And it's called ranked choice voting.
	And most of the country has not heard of this, Ashley.
	They haven't.
	Alaska uses it.
	Maine uses it some.
	Georgia, it's been Brought up a couple of times down here and there's a hearing actually tomorrow folks in Georgia on banning rank choice voting.
	AFL is going to have a person and I'm going to be doing some more about it on social media tomorrow.
	Rashton number one, explain rank choice voting and then let's get into what the problems of that are.
	Well, they try to say that rank choice voting.
	It's it's really an overly complicated system.
	It's not popular amongst the majority of Americans and basically winds up happening is you rank your votes.
	But if you only vote for one person, a lot of cases.
	So you rank your vote, and then you have to vote again, and they only take the top number of people, but if you only vote for one person, they'll throw out the ballots.
	So you're actually not listening to the voice of the people, and it's a strategy predominantly championed by the left.
	Because Democrats have found to be very successful for themselves, because you're not actually representing the people's voice.
	And we talk about election integrity, and we talk about places like Georgia or Ohio that have gone through great measures to ensure that the elections are secure, to make sure that every person has a voice.
	When you have a system like ranked-choice voting, where you're not really giving one vote, one person, for one candidate, you're confusing voters, and it creates all sorts of additional election integrity issues that really shouldn't exist to begin with.
	I understand.
	And one of the things here is Alaska was one of the first that we actually became known a little bit more.
	And just this past week, the legislature in Alaska voted in the House to do away with it out of committee, a five to two vote out of committee up there.
	But, okay, I'm going to go back to, and I'm going to play the other side here because I don't agree with ranked choice voting at all.
	I think, you know, we need to get in, you need to vote, and you need to count them properly.
	But they say, well, it saves money and you don't have to go back and do runoffs.
	I'm from a runoff state in Georgia.
	Could we, there's other ways to deal with runoff than a ranked choice voting that actually confuses the voter and actually what we've seen is frankly move more toward a liberal voting base that can't beat a conservative up front.
	That's exactly right.
	And that's actually what has been discussed in places like Utah.
	Utah is trying.
	I think some of the conservatives are frustrated in Utah because they believe that they are getting candidates like Mitt Romney, for example, because of normal elections.
	So they're saying, well, if we had a ranked choice voting system in Utah, then we would be able to have more conservative, but actually just the opposite.
	It's really quite simple, to be honest, but I think people start panicking because they feel like they're losing power.
	block you represent, that you're educating your voters, you're mobilizing the vote, and
	you have them take action.
	It's really quite simple, to be honest, but I think people start panicking because they
	feel like they're losing power.
	I think the Democrats panic, thinking they're going to lose power, and this is another card
	up their sleeve to cheat the system.
	And that's why they've issued so many bills across the country.
	You know, Ohio in March is going to have a referendum, a ballot initiative on ranked choice voting as well.
	That's a state that has been very, very red.
	And I think that they realize that there may not be a path for them to regain control.
	So this is something that they feel that they can maybe dilute the conservative voice and potentially, you know, pick up some ground in Ohio, which is really a shame.
	It is, Ashley.
	Also, before we leave this topic, though, I want to explain in just basic terms ranked choice voting in the sense that, you know, basically some people may be listening to it now and they're saying, so like the person who comes in first didn't come in first anymore.
	You have to count everybody's vote.
	Isn't it?
	It's a threshold process that you get to a certain threshold underneath 50% in some cases, then they go to this.
	Is that the way people need to understand this?
	Yeah, and so basically you vote for multiple candidates and you rank them in order.
	And so who is your first choice candidate?
	Who is your second choice candidate?
	Who is your third choice candidate?
	And then based upon and so on.
	And then ranked choice voting advocates, they say it'll prevent like a polarized election campaign because you're voting for more than person.
	However, it really does complicate the system.
	And the other thing is, there have been multiple cases where if people do not vote for more than one, so they only rank one person, they will throw out those ballots.
	So there have been places, I believe it was in Maine, where they threw out over 10,000 ballots because the voter did not rank their actual votes.
	So, and then each round they eliminate, they could potentially eliminate.
	You see this obviously up in Alaska, and that was a very close race, but it really dilutes the voice of the people when you Start doing things on this point system, basically.
	So, so really what we just found out here is that if you only voted for one person, which is what most of the people do, they've, they've grown up doing that, um, is they vote for one person, but then they say, well, you know, I don't like these other candidates.
	I'm not going to rank them.
	They, in essence, lose their vote.
	If that, if the candidate they want gets under 50%.
	Yeah.
	So a couple examples, looking at a letter that we're signing onto here.
	In Maine in 2018, one of the candidates had 46% of the vote on the initial ballot, ahead of his challenger's 45%.
	No one received above 50%, so the Secretary of State decided to just throw out 8,200 ballots, and therefore the Democrat won the congressional seat.
	In Alaska in a 2022 special election, 60% of Alaskans wanted a Republican.
	11,000 ballots were trashed, but his voters only voted for the other Republican.
	The Democrat won by slightly more than 5,000 votes.
	Because there was not consensus, they threw out those votes.
	It's really, it's not a coincidence that the people who are supporting this are the ones that don't actually believe in the safe and secure elections that we really deserve in our country.
	And I just want to make one more point.
	I don't care if you're a Democrat or Republican or Independent or Green Party.
	You know, you served Doug, my husband served and serves Like, we fight for freedom so that everybody can have a voice, and everybody should feel like their vote counts.
	And when you have a system that's convoluted and confusing, and you feel like your vote doesn't count, that's not the way our system is supposed to work, and it's not right.
	And I think that's the key in looking at all of this, Ashley, is we've got to look at this.
	So, look, I'm putting the word out here on this show today, on Seb's show today on America First, that this is something to be watching.
	It may not be in your state now, but I'll go back to that main election that you referenced.
	That was Bruce Poliquin.
	A friend of mine up there who was in Congress worked hard as anybody to get into Congress and then had it basically taken from him.
	Although it's one of those things he won on election day and lost after election day.
	And I think that's an interesting concept that most people are not familiar with.
	Real quickly, before you go though, I mean we've had a lot of guests on, we've got Fred coming up later, but AFPI, real quickly, your 32nd sort of elevator speech, AFPI, I know in Georgia they can find us, but where can they find out more about AFPI?
	AmericanFirstPolicy.com or at A1Policy, AmericanFirstWorks.com, at AmericanFirstWorks, real simple.
	That is great.
	Ashley, you're wonderful.
	Thanks for being a part of the show today.
	We'll talk with you soon.
	Folks, if you're out there and you want to join the conversation, 833-334-6752.
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	Glad to be a part.
	Seb is out at the SHOT Show.
	And so as you know, sometimes you always say those shirts that said somebody went to New York City and all I got was a lousy t-shirt.
	Well, Seb gets to go to the SHOT Show and I get to wear my Glock hat.
	Hey, we're all good here as we go along.
	If you're following along with us on Rumble and everywhere else, we're glad to have you with us today.
	A lot going on today.
	Ashley provided a lot of good information there on some ranked choice voting stuff, the election messaging, coalition messaging as we go along.
	And I want to continue that thought, but I want to get to some callers here.
	We got some great callers on the phone.
	Let's go to Penny in California.
	We were just talking about California.
	So Penny, how are we doing?
	I'm good, thank you.
	And thank you, Mr. Collins, for taking my phone call.
	I'm concerned about the border, and it's been a long time.
	I can understand.
	I know that our Congress is limited.
	I know that.
	I understand that.
	But my question is, is Biden, when he became president, he took an oath to follow our Constitution.
	And he has not.
	He has not.
	Especially when it comes to the border.
	The federal law says, according to the Constitution, that we are to be protected.
	The people of America must be protected.
	And actually, he's done... I mean, there's so much information showing that he's done every way but go south.
	I can't understand.
	I mean, I know he's given them foreign countries' information and he's gotten money back, but doesn't this really call for this closing the border, especially a constitutional law, for impeachment?
	And not only that, it's treason.
	When you look at all the murders of the fentanyl Of all these migrants that have been killed just trying to get here.
	Women that have been raped.
	People that have been murdered by migrants.
	Why has he been impeached?
	Well, I think that's going to be a great one.
	Penny, thank you for your call.
	I mean, you brought up the whole purpose and the whole discussion around the border.
	It was said the other day, and I'm going to take off on what Penny was saying here, is why can't we do anything about it?
	You can't.
	Sarah Carter talked about it earlier today.
	The issue is not that the border can't be closed.
	We know it can.
	All we got to do is take the magic crystal ball and look back.
	Oh, so far, so far, so far in the past.
	Oh, how hot was it?
	Oh, three years ago!
	Three years ago the border was closed, Essence.
	And it was because you had a president who said, we're going to close the border.
	Don't send your people up here.
	We're going to leave them in Mexico to do the asylum process in a way that is orderly, in a way that you can come in here.
	He held other countries accountable.
	And people, look, you got the message.
	If you were not going to give them a free pass to come into our country and then be shipped all across the country because we're not going to clog up the border, we're going to send you all over the country, then the cartels have a willing participant on our side of the border in the Biden administration to distribute these refugees, as they call them, asylum seekers, into this country.
	The problem is, 95% of the folks who come to our border seeking asylum do not qualify.
	Period.
	That doesn't make me anti-immigrant.
	That doesn't make me anti-human.
	That doesn't make me against anybody.
	It's just simply stating the facts.
	And if you don't like the facts, then I'm sorry.
	Argue with yourself in a mirror.
	But quit talking about this in public, especially if you're a Democrat official who says there's no problem at the border.
	There is a problem at the border.
	And quit blaming Republicans to say, oh, we can't get anything done.
	Only Republicans you want to talk to on the issue of the border is people who will give basically a blanket amnesty or make it a way in which people can come across the border in essence if there was no entry at the border at all.
	I've lived it.
	I had a congresswoman who I was trying to work on a border issue, which was basically an immigration issue, and was basically told that if the unions, which we're going to talk about, I think there's more folks on the line I want to talk about in California, didn't agree to it, then they weren't going to deal with it.
	This was a package of H-1B visas which Georgia, my home state, uses in agriculture more than any other state in the country.
	But yet, we were going to allow the Western growers and their unions to decide how we were going to do this project.
	And yet, we were the ones who were not being concerned or compassionate.
	That's just a load of horse manure.
	Okay?
	I'm sick of it.
	They border again.
	You don't even have to go back far.
	For you liberals, you don't even have to turn the pages back very far in the history book.
	If you actually had a history book to look into.
	This is where we gotta look at it, folks.
	I'm sorry.
	This is just something that we're gonna have to deal with in real terms, in real ways.
	Folks, we got Joe from Illinois.
	We got Brent from L.A.
	all online.
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	A couple more.
	We're going to get to Joe in Illinois.
	Got Brent, uh, coming up as well, but also there's a thread going through the rumble chat today.
	And I'm glad to have all of you on the day on the rumble, uh, to watch me do air guitar and air drums and everything else.
	Although you can't hear the music I've been told, but hey, I can perform without music.
	Uh, Dealing with RNC and trying to stop Trump, I think this, to me, I don't see that happening, number one, but I do believe it highlights a real problem out there, that there is a disconnect between the RNC and the Republican base, and that's got to be fixed.
	And if Ronna doesn't understand that, and I've known Ronna for a long time, I've just seen this disconnect grow wider and wider and wider, and I speak to a lot of groups across the country.
	By the way, when you're not here filling in for Seb, you can go to the Doug Collins Podcast.
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	Um, but also rep Doug Collins on Twitter.
	You can find me there, uh, keeping a lot, but I do actually speak.
	And if you have a group anywhere in the country who would like for me to come, uh, talk about Republican party, talk about politics, talk about conservative, where we are right now, love to have you just reach out, uh, through one of those channels and you can, uh, find me, but the RNC is missing and I, and I see this a lot.
	And until we have Republican parties, I want to, I want to bring out something real quick.
	Did you realize that we have three or four state Republican parties, and could be more, that are basically functionally broke?
	In other words, they don't have any money.
	They can't do what Republican parties are supposed to be doing.
	And okay, now I'm on the roll, so I might as well just do it fully.
	Republican parties, your job is to elect Republican Party candidates.
	Your job is to elect conservative candidates who can win office in your state and in your districts.
	Your job is to be focused on elections.
	Your job is not Robert's Rules of Order and who gets to talk at the next meeting.
	I am so tired!
	of party meetings that consist of basically, well, I think we ought to do this, and I think we ought to do this.
	How many of you have actually looked at your precinct maps lately?
	How about actually figuring out how to make voters and help them get to the polls instead of complaining about Democrats doing something in your districts or in your state?
	Republicans, your party is about electing Republicans, not for you to come up with policy ideas instead of getting them elected.
	The policy comes after election.
	The policy is getting good candidates.
	The policy is about electing people to office.
	And yet we, again, Democrats don't do this.
	If you actually look at what they do, they focus on winning elections.
	They focus on getting the best available candidate.
	They focus on making progress.
	It's time we started watching.
	That's what Donald Trump is talking about, folks.
	When he says America first, when he talks about people who need to see our government work again, that's what he's talking about.
	In Republican parties, it's time to step up from the national level all the way to the state and the local level.
	And with that, Joe in Illinois, I get you, unless you follow that rant.
	Congressman Towns.
	So, you know, Ron DeSantis very quickly endorsed President Trump, you know, and I think I think it would be nice to see him as Defense Secretary.
	I mean, he's a former JAG, you know, military guy and stuff like that.
	And you talk about enforcing our border.
	When President Trump gets in, we're gonna have to go down there and clean out the drug cartels.
	I mean, there's something that he said, and I believe him.
	If Mexico can't do it, we'll have to do it.
	You know, that kind of thing.
	Yeah.
	Well, Joe, what part of Illinois are you in?
	I'm curious.
	I'm out in the far western suburbs.
	I'm an airline man.
	Okay.
	35 years.
	And, you know, former Democrat, believe it or not.
	And, yeah.
	You know, when I saw Hillary's name on the ballot, I'm like, I just can't do this.
	Well, Joe, welcome home to where you've always been to start with.
	And I appreciate you calling in today.
	And thanks for being a part of the airline folks.
	And look, I've got a lot of great friends in Illinois and you get outside of the liberal bastion of Chicago and those areas right there.
	There's, I mean, there's some really, really just Down-home good folks in those communities that need, you know, that conservative representation.
	So I appreciate you being a part.
	Yeah, so thanks for calling in today.
	Look, I don't know what Ron DeSantis is going to do.
	Ron, I think, still thinks he can be president, and that's great.
	But he's also got a state to run for a few more years.
	We'll see where that goes.
	If he wants to give that up and, you know, if somehow was a different job, we'll see how that goes.
	But being governor in these states can be a lot of good as well.
	Let's see how he goes back to Florida and works on that.
	All right, Brent in LA.
	Hello, Congressman Collins.
	Thank you for your courageous and excellent work.
	And since I identify all of today's government teachers unions as being traitorous criminal conspiracies directed against our country, our children, our families, and parents, is it reasonable to identify all teachers who insist upon retaining their membership in these evil unions to be acting as criminal co-conspirators in their evil, and should they all be held open to be liable to criminal and civil charges?
	Um, no, and I'll say this.
	I think the leadership is is a problem that we've got to continue to point out.
	And Brent, I understand what you're saying, but also I have to understand they have a leverage on teachers that many state legislatures have allowed to happen.
	And this is the leverage in many, and they don't have to.
	There's plenty of organizations out here that can counter this, but they don't know about them because the teachers union, and I'm here in Georgia where we technically don't have teachers unions, but we have two of them.
	They're called Page and Georgia Association of Educators.
	They both are unions acting like it because all they want is the dues and the way they hook the teachers in from the early on is the malpractice insurance.
	That's how they hook them in.
	They really don't do a whole lot in many ways.
	My wife was a teacher for 31 years, so yes, I know what I'm talking about, especially for you and your PAGE people and GAE people in Georgia.
	Look, there's things we could do great together, but the reality is that many times these groups and unions, especially in other states, are protecting bad teachers, they're protecting bad systems, and the teachers who come into it Most of them are voting.
	I know many, many teachers in my district who I love dearly, and I think teachers ought to be given every credit to go teach, are the ones that need to be lifted up, but they're trapped in a system because they're scared if they get sued, they won't have anybody to help them.
	And so that's where we're at.
	So looking at Brent, I appreciate your comments, but I take it up for my teachers a little bit, especially those who are looking to get the protection from these unions.
	Still got a lot left to go.
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	We're going to Dave in New York.
	We talked about ranked choice voting.
	Dave, got something for us.
	Yeah, Doug, how are you?
	I'm great.
	The ranked choice vote was tried in New York, you know, for the first time in the mayoral election a couple years ago, in 21.
	Yeah.
	And it worked like garbage.
	You know, it's like playing the bingo, basically.
	People maybe know one candidate, and then they mock off the other one.
	They don't know who the hell these people are.
	And with only 26% of the registered voters in New York City even voted in the primary.
	Okay.
	So it's ridiculous.
	You have 4 million registered voters, 3.8 million, and only 26% of the people vote.
	And then you get the crazies who come out and they vote for the socialists.
	And the rest of the people, it's like, you know, when you want to take a standardized test, you didn't know the answer, you just pick the answer, pick D, you know?
	And that's what they do.
	So it's like throwing dice, basically.
	So what a stupid thing, you know, to have in any democracy.
	You know, nobody votes, and everybody picks it by, like, picking a bingo game.
	Exactly.
	Hey Dave, real quickly, didn't they have to throw out part of the winners there that somebody won and then they didn't win and something like that that came out of that?
	They had a whole counting fiasco.
	Right, it was.
	It was amazing.
	And I live around the corner from the New York City Board of Elections.
	And you should see the people that work there, okay?
	They're all driving these fancy cars.
	How can a city, on government salaries, they all, every week, they got a new car,
	a new Mercedes, a new, a new, they all, I swear to God, they have all these free parking spaces
	on the street, every day these people show up with new cars, they have a parking placard, and like,
	they're working, you know, these bureaucratic jobs, but it's not bureaucratic, they're all on the take
	some way or the other, it has to be.
	Well let's just hope that...
	They never can count strength.
	Well, Dave, let's just hope that they know how to save their money.
	Dave, thanks for calling in as we go here.
	Look, Dave brought up an interesting point there, and as we go out in this hour, I want to bring up something that Dave just brought up.
	Think about how few people vote.
	Who are eligible to vote, who don't vote.
	I mean this is a real problem we've got in our country and I've said this before I've told people before I had this person this lady who came up to me one day was just giving me all kinds of heck about something that I did or something I didn't do whatever it was anyway and she was really upset about it and Something she said during her rant made me think that she may not have voted, and I asked her when she finally drew a breath, and I had a chance to ask her, I said, did you vote in the last election?
	And she said, I don't vote, it don't matter anymore.
	And I said, I just looked at her and I said, shut up.
	So folks, let me give you a big suggestion out there for any of you thinking about not voting because your candidate didn't win or your candidate lost in the primary, especially conservatives.
	Get over it.
	Realize that any conservative is better than the Democrats are taking this down right now.
	So get up, go out, get somebody, vote.
	And if you don't vote, then don't say a word.
	Shut up.
	That's not what we do here on Seb Gorka's show though with Doug Collins.
	We want to hear from you.
	After the hour, Guy Reschenthaler will be with us.
	Be back in just a minute.
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	you're listening to America First with special guest host
	former congressman Doug Collins Rocky
	We will rock you for those who are not hearing the music.
	That's what we're playing right now.
	We will rock you.
	And that's exactly what we're getting ready for 2024.
	We're going to rock you, uh, in the ballot box, get out and actually do what we need to be doing.
	Donald Trump, uh, on his way to defeating Joe Biden, going back into the 47th president United States.
	Um, but we've got to start in the, in the grassroots and we've got to start with our fighters.
	Uh, The gentleman joining me now, I got to know him when he first came to Congress.
	I had the privilege of getting him on my committee, on Judiciary Committee.
	Guy Reschenthaler has shot up like a rocket into leadership.
	He's just a great guy.
	He's working in our Deputy WHIP office.
	And it's just glad to have him with us.
	So, Guy, welcome to the Seb Gorka Show.
	Glad to be with you.
	Doug, thanks for having me on.
	I always enjoy it.
	It's good stuff.
	Hey, let's just dive right in.
	Congress right now, I mean, from every angle, is just, people are getting frustrated.
	Not only the folks who are serving in it, people who are outside watching it happen.
	Isn't it true that at a certain point in time, that I know from a perspective you're in, it's not about becoming less conservative, it's about finding out what you can pass and actually move the ball forward.
	And has that seemingly become the problem in Washington right now?
	The problem we have is we have a lot of people that are so focused on being curious that they don't want to negotiate.
	There's nothing wrong with being curious.
	You should never betray your values, but you also have to deal with the way things are.
	You've got to be pragmatic and realistic.
	We control one-third of government, actually not even one-third, one-sixth, because you gotta get Biden to sign it, whatever bill you pass, and you gotta get the Senate to pass it, which is controlled by Democrats.
	So when you look at that, we control very little.
	The issue we're having is when we can't get legislation moved, and there's must-pass pieces of bills, like the spending bills have to get done.
	What you have to do is you have to get bipartisan support, and if you can't carry it in the House with all Republicans, The cost of the Senate puts on that to get Democratic support to get it done goes up really high on the term of liberal or conservative.
	So what we should be doing is we should be sticking together as conservatives in getting the most Republican, most conservative product out of the House by 218 Republicans voting together, if not more, and then sending that product to the Senate, waiting for the Senate to volley a bill back, and then negotiating from there.
	If we have to negotiate with a product that's already been negotiated with Republicans and Democrats in the House, then we've already started at the center-left, and that bill's going to get even further to the left when it comes back from the Senate.
	Yeah, and that is a problem.
	And remember folks out there, I've told you this before.
	Some of you agree with me, some of you don't, and that's fine.
	You have every right in the world to be wrong.
	If you're not putting anything forward, you have less of a chance of getting anything you want.
	And Democrats have known this for a long time and going forward in this.
	But one of the things too, I'm going to dispel a couple of myths here just as we go forward, is a reminder that in a shutdown, it is the administration that actually defines what spending happens during a shutdown.
	And that takes it away from Congress.
	So this idea that a shutdown is the easiest way to get what you want isn't exactly true, is it, Guy?
	No, in fact, no one ever wins a shutdown.
	If you go back, you know, we shut down, I wasn't in Congress at the time, but we shut down over Obamacare.
	Well, guess what?
	We still have Obamacare.
	We shut down over the border crisis.
	Guess what?
	We still have a border crisis.
	So this notion that we're going to shut down and then magically we're going to get border security, it's just a false notion.
	And when you allow the Biden administration to decide what stays open, what doesn't, guess who's not going to be showing up for work and not getting paid?
	The Border Patrol agents.
	So if you go into a shutdown, you're actually going to make the border crisis worse, because the Biden administration will just say, OK, now it's truly an open border.
	Come on over.
	We'll deal with it.
	And they'll welcome that, because then they can turn to the Republicans and say, see all this chaos on the southern border?
	It's not us.
	It's the Republicans because they won't negotiate with us, and then we end up owning the border.
	It's a huge strategic blunder to shut down.
	Well, and also, we've got to also face the fact, before we move on to something else, is the fact that you don't save any money.
	Also, even if you got some of the stuff you wanted, you don't save any money, because every time the government reopens, you pay, you do back pay, even if it went past a payday in going into it.
	Let's turn to Pennsylvania, your home state.
	A lot going on.
	It's going to be a key election year.
	Right now, if the election was today, the Democrats have to keep every Senate seat And win the presidency to maintain control of the Senate.
	One of the big races is going to come up is in your state.
	You've got the McCormick-Casey race, and you've got a few House races that are going to be pivotal in a one-seat majority right now currently in the House.
	Talk to us about how the election is looking in Pennsylvania.
	Well, from top down, you have Trump that's right now leading in the polls.
	He's up by like two or three against Biden statewide.
	I think that margin is actually going to increase for Trump because, remember, Trump does really
	well with black male voters in particular, but also working Americans, the blue-collar
	voter, which is going to make up a lot of share in areas like Philadelphia and where
	I'm from, western Pennsylvania.
	So I think that trend is going to go in President Trump's way.
	Now at the Senate, we have a really good candidate in Dave McCormick.
	Win or lose, the Republican Party wins just by Dave being on the ticket, because I think there's a good shot that Dave McCormick wins.
	I think he actually will win.
	But even if he doesn't, we're going to force the Democrats to spend so much money in the very expensive media markets of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, that we're
	going to drain them of resources, which will make it easier for us to win in Ohio and Montana.
	And again, I think McCormick is going to win, but even if he doesn't, the conservative movement
	still wins by having him on the ticket.
	And then lastly, with the House races, there's three pickup opportunities for us in the House.
	statewide. And that doesn't sound, that might not sound like a lot, Doug, but when we have one more
	retirement at the end of this month, we're going to go back and we're going to have a one seat
	majority. Three additional seats from Pennsylvania can make all the difference in passing conservative
	legislation in the next Congress. So Pennsylvania, we call it, you know, it's a keystone state. It's
	certainly going to be the keystone state in the 2024 election.
	Uh, we've got a couple more minutes left here, Guy.
	One of the things that I don't think is brought up enough, and I know it got sort of punted at the end of the year, and frankly I was disappointed in this.
	You on the Judiciary Committee with me, I know now Speaker Mike Johnson was on the Judiciary Committee when we were fighting this battle about three years ago on FISA, and the realization that the Department of Justice has abused FISA in many ways.
	It's not where it needs to be.
	There's things that we need.
	We need FISA, but we don't need it in its current form and condition.
	Uh, we punted it basically till April, I believe it is.
	Where is it right now?
	Um, you know, I came up in the Judiciary Committee product, looks like what Jim Jordan has brought forward again this year, which I'd worked on before, along with Devin Nunez and others.
	Uh, is there a hope that this year we can actually tighten the reins a little bit on FISA?
	This should be a bipartisan issue, by the way.
	Well, it should be.
	And actually, the way it shaped out a Judiciary Committee, the Judiciary Committee product was actually very bipartisan.
	I mean, you had Zoe Lofgren, one of our Democratic colleagues, actually whipping her side to vote for it.
	And it's because there's a wing of the Democratic Party that's very skeptical of all this power being held by the federal government.
	Just like we have a libertarian streak in our party, so it's interesting they come together.
	But where is this legislation?
	We had a product that came out of the House Intel Committee, and then we had a competing Pfizer reform bill that came out of judiciary.
	I'm much more partial to judiciary.
	I think it has the reforms that are necessary.
	Other people think that the House Intel Committee product is needed to actually keep us safe.
	The truth may be somewhere in between, but we need to select the best parts of each one of those bills and then put that on the floor in April and pass that product.
	What we can't do is what we tried to do a few weeks ago, where we were thinking about putting both bills on the floor.
	And having what's called a Queen of the Hill scenario, where whatever bill gets the most votes gets sent over to the Senate.
	I don't like giving up our destiny.
	I think that we should work on this legislation, get the reforms that we need, make sure that we hold unelected career bureaucrats accountable, especially when they're doing things like spying on members of Congress and leading candidates in the primary, such as Donald Trump.
	Remember they spied on Trump?
	So we gotta have the reforms necessary.
	We also need to make sure they have a warrant.
	You know, I hate this thing where they say, well, we don't have time to get a warrant.
	I was a prosecutor in Iraq.
	I mean, we were in literally a war zone and we had the ability to go to the court
	and get a warrant for what we needed to do.
	The fact that you say that you don't have the ability to get a warrant for these situations,
	if it's not an exigent circumstance, you should have to go get a warrant.
	So that's where we are with the FISA reauthorization.
	Yeah, I want more people to actually pay attention to that and not just the folks who are just sort of the junkies
	who sort of watch this, or frankly, those that believe every thing about the government is bad.
	There's things about the government, especially in Pfizer, that we need for our protection, but it doesn't need to be abused.
	Real quickly, a lot of rumors about those next spending bills.
	Some concern, and you don't have to elaborate as much here, but I know it's still a lot left to go.
	We're still a month and a half away.
	You don't even have the top line 302B numbers for the individual spending items yet, at least it's not been reported.
	Is there a possibility that somehow Yeah, there's a large probability that that's what happens.
	basically till the end, uh, till September 30th and try this thing again?
	Yeah, there's a, yeah, there's a large probability that that's what happens.
	That would be an absolute shame because when we go into a continuing resolution,
	we take the last year spending.
	Well, last year's spending was done by Nancy Pelosi.
	In a way, I'm not so concerned about the top line number, because as long as we're funding things that are important to conservatives, I'm willing to have a higher number if we are actually funding our priorities and defunding their priorities.
	But you're right, we're not even at the 302.
	So we have a top-line number.
	But you don't have the Bs, yeah.
	Which are the 302Bs, and those haven't been negotiated yet.
	Those are huge monster bills, as you know, Doug.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's amazing.
	Got to get.
	Thank you so much for being a part.
	We look forward to talking to you again, my friend.
	Thanks for everything.
	We'll be back here after the break.
	here Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka.
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	former congressman Doug Collins.
	All right, welcome back.
	We're glad to have you as we run through this.
	You know, we've been talking about the election and going forward, and I've heard this theme from, you know, Guy just a second ago and others, is that this election is going to, is still up in the air.
	And it's going to be tight.
	And I know that there are Republicans out there who believe, how can we Not win.
	And Donald Trump's gonna walk away with this, and Donald Trump's gonna beat Joe Biden.
	He's got a 40% approval rating.
	Well, also, I would be, if I was not in Congress back, and on this show four years ago, the question would be, how could Joe Biden win from the basement?
	Now good, now all of you say, well he's stolen and everything else.
	At the end of the day, the man's been president for three and a half years.
	Okay?
	Now, we've tried our best to fix that in states like Georgia and other places, but at the end of the day, you can't give up the basic premise in the fight of going to an election and taking the election's basics and getting people to the voting booth.
	And that means you've got to actually make people want to go out and vote.
	And part of this is that you've got to show something to the American people that you're actually hearing what they're saying.
	That doesn't mean that you pander to them.
	That's a big difference in running an election and pandering as we go about this.
	So as we look at this, let's think about it as it's going forward.
	Fred Flash will be with us in just a minute.
	He's going to talk some national security.
	We're going to talk foreign affairs as we go forward.
	But right now, I have Annie from Georgia.
	Hey, good to talk with you.
	I am born and raised in Pennsylvania, but lived in Georgia the last 27, 28 years.
	And your last speaker, nice guy, good cheerleader, but I absolutely don't believe that Pennsylvania with its current legislative format and elective process has any chance of going back to conservative.
	They brought in every trick in the book to change the Pennsylvania elections.
	I know specifically family members lived in Butler, Beaver County, the whole county conservative, and all their votes disappeared.
	The only reason my family's votes were counted was the last minute they paid like 30 bucks to have them sent in because they were across the country.
	But Pennsylvania is not going to save the election.
	Count them out.
	Because unless Pennsylvanians stormed the polls in absolutely mass amounts and they vote to get some election integrity, nothing that gentleman said is going to happen.
	Yeah, it's going to be interesting.
	And I want you to stay with me for just a second because that's, you know, Pennsylvania is one of those states that, you know, frankly, has been always one that has the Democrats have changed the playing field in Pennsylvania.
	And if you go back about five years ago, they flipped a number of seats through a redistricting process because
	they had a Democrat governor who wouldn't sign it and then they
	challenged it in court and they'd elected a Supreme Court and that's where they had
	spent their time and effort on Supreme Court who then upheld and then threw
	it to a special election master quote to draw the maps and so they've had a
	lot of problems up there. I've been up there a good bit now especially over
	some of the Bucks, Lancaster County, some of the other parts of the
	state. What besides the showing up is there been an interesting message
	Because like, you know, I just said a few seconds ago, people don't understand how people get elected.
	And you got a Fetterman who got elected up there, by the way, who now the last couple months has sounded more like a conservative.
	Is that what you're talking about as far as just the inherent, you know, changes in how they did the absentee ballots, how they did, you know, day of ballots or things like that?
	Absentee ballots, day up ballots, but also the pressure from the unions has been ungodly.
	I personally know people who work in union positions and they are threatened, months starting out, you must walk in and pull the Democratic levers.
	You must, you must, you must.
	They're brainwashed, they're pressured.
	It's ungodly what the unions do and the control that they have.
	Okay, curious enough now, you said, where was the county you came from that you said you come from?
	I came from the south hills of Pittsburgh, but I have relatives all throughout the state.
	And Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh will set the tone for the entire state, and they'll steal the state.
	It's just gone.
	Well, that is because it's essentially because I've been up in this is probably your area, because in that area, that's where Resnathala, who was actually owned just a minute ago, is actually from.
	Curious, you moved from that south of Pittsburgh area and you moved to where in Georgia?
	We were just in general.
	You don't have to be specific.
	Yeah, going at and now we're in.
	Unfortunately, we're in Fulton, so we went from bad to worse.
	Oh wow, you're moving laterally there.
	You're not very far from me though.
	I'm in the the Southern Command here in the off the shores of Lake Lanier, where I've been for all of my life, but probably in a very similar political makeup, though, than what you saw changing in South the Southern Phillip Pittsburgh suburbs.
	Yes, yes.
	And what could Georgia do now that you're here in Georgia?
	How long have you been in Georgia?
	27 years.
	Okay.
	As you look at Georgia, how it's changed in the areas that you just talked about, I'm going to posit something and I'd love to hear your question.
	I believe because most people don't realize that Georgia has only had a Republican governor for 20 years.
	We only our first Republican statewide was back in 1980.
	We didn't have another one for a while.
	We're not a deep red state like Mississippi or Oklahoma or places like that.
	We never have been.
	And what is interesting to me is you talked about Gwinnett County and then into Fulton County.
	I'm assuming you probably moved laterally there toward more of a mid-Fulton, north Fulton kind of area.
	But what I have seen, and I've criticized my own a little bit with this, we've been there, I've seen also the Republicans, although demographics have changed a great deal in those areas, I've seen the Republicans seem to move out.
	You've been here long enough to see those elections of Sonny Perdue in 2002 and 2006 and others.
	And there seemed to be a better sense of Republican urgency back then.
	Do you see that in the areas that you're talking about right now?
	Absolutely.
	There's also a sense of defeat, though, too.
	Okay.
	Especially after the last election when I was living in Gwinnett, and every single seat in Gwinnett County flipped from Republican to Democrat.
	We all knew there was something terribly amiss, but you couldn't get to the bottom of it.
	Yeah, well, the big change there, and it's essentially because I've known Gwinnett County, I've lived in Hall County all my life, but Gwinnett County, for those who are listening across the country, what she's talking about, this is an area in which, you know, was one of the first of the Republican donut counties, if you would, what they called them down here.
	This was the, I mean, the Gwinnett County Republican, most of that county was Republican and hard Republican, just like Cobb County was as well, up until about you know, two, three election cycles ago. And some of what
	I believe is that people get disappointed, they move, or and also that the Republican
	Party who made Gwinnett and a lot of what it was in the last little bit also lost track with how
	to communicate with those voters in those areas. Yeah, they did. Yep.
	Hey, and I think you know, look, I think Georgia is turning back.
	I think people are getting to that process and thank you for for calling in today.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	And look and breaks up a great point there is we talk about these of the election cycle and we look at what's coming up is it's still about.
	The basics.
	It's still about the fundamentals.
	And whether you're in the southern suburbs of Pittsburgh area, or you're coming down here into the northern suburbs of Atlanta, up into Gwinnett County, Fulton, North Fulton areas where I believe she was talking about, and then over into Cobb County, that whole sort of blends in there, Cherokee County as well.
	You're seeing this absence that Republicans have got to get busy telling people why it's good to be conservative.
	And when we get to that message out and turning our voters out, then we can win elections.
	If we don't, then we get disappointed and we lose elections.
	And that's what happens.
	Coming up after the break, Fred Fleiss is coming in.
	We're going to talk some world events.
	We're almost done with this, but you've been a big part of the show.
	Doug Collins filling in for Seb Gorka today.
	We'll be right back.
	Welcome to the World of Tanks.
	Doug Collins.
	all right we're back and yes we are a smooth operator smooth criminal however you want to do it good stuff coming out of the box today guys i'd have to tell you folks if y'all don't ever see them you don't get to talk to them that much you don't even do it but they are the ones the behind the show they're the organization behind the seb gorka america first radio broadcast the producers and folks are great they are wonderful and killing it on the bumper music today by the way Now we got Fred Flights coming in from AFPI, also the Center for American Security.
	He's the vice chair of that.
	Fred, it's good to see you.
	You and I are typically on shows together, and now we get to talk to each other.
	So, welcome aboard.
	I know, this is great.
	Thanks, Doug.
	I love it.
	Hey, breaking news.
	We got the Biden administration seems to have maybe, for the first time in a while, have done something about the Houthi rebels in Yemen.
	Tell us about it.
	Well, I believe at about 4.30 Eastern Time today, U.S.
	and British forces conducted an eighth airstrike.
	This is the eighth airstrike against Yemen in 10 days.
	They hit about 30 sites, targeted about 150 weapons.
	Supposedly some leadership sites were hit, and this is because the prior seven airstrikes did not stop The Houthis from continuing to fire missiles.
	And you know, the Houthis are exceptionally dangerous terrorist group.
	They have anti-ship cruise missiles.
	They have ballistic missiles and drones with a range of a thousand miles.
	The Walsh Journal has said that may make them the world's most dangerous terrorist group.
	Now, this strike was long overdue, but I got to tell you, if we have to strike an enemy eight times, there's something wrong.
	We obviously didn't establish deterrence by the previous attacks, but attacking at all is a failure of deterrence and diplomacy.
	But I don't know if you read, and this is really scandalous, I've written about this in Newsmax, for the first strike, which was supposed to be a massive strike, a massive show of force, we told the Houthis before we attacked so they could evacuate their buildings.
	Now, for humanitarian reasons, the journal said, well, this will be interpreted as a sign of weakness by the Houthis and people in the region.
	But it also was an opportunity for the Houthis to remove the weapons before we bombed them.
	So surprise, surprise, that massive strike made no difference.
	The Houthis kept firing away.
	So now we had to do this massive strike.
	And it's a tragedy.
	Yemen is a dirt poor country.
	Yemenis are dying because they're acting as a proxy of the Iranians and because we're not dealing with the Houthi rebels seriously.
	So that led to this hate strike.
	It really is a tragedy.
	Well, and I think this is something to really focus on.
	Let's just dig, let's dig a little deeper here.
	We've got a few minutes.
	I want to dig in on this issue of the Houthis and the fact that Yemen is a desolate country.
	I mean, it is just a, it is poor, it's poverty impairs.
	And yet you have, as you just said, one of the most prolific terror groups in the world.
	Why?
	Because of Iran.
	Bottom line, Iran.
	not I mean and also I think if in a war situation in which they are firing at us it is incumbent upon us to make sure that they don't have people to fire than at least the same sort of trigger finger is not pulling the weapon again and that would then begin to understand that hey there is a deterrent here I don't want to end up like the first one who just fired the weapon Two-part question.
	Hopefully, there's going to be some consequences to people wake up and see that if you want to be in a war, that means that you're probably going to die against two of the bigger superpowers in the world, the superpower US and Britain.
	And then number two, the Iranian appeasement that has come out of this administration is not being addressed.
	How is that going to affect this, Fred?
	Those are really good questions.
	Now, the Iranians gave these weapons to the Houthis to meddle in the civil war in Yemen.
	And these weapons... You know, Yemen's not a thousand miles long.
	These weapons way exceeded what the Houthis needed for this war.
	These weapons were to attack Saudi Arabia.
	They have fired these weapons across the Saudi peninsula at targets on the Persian Gulf.
	They've attacked the United Arab Emirates.
	They attacked Israel.
	They fired missiles at Israel.
	Now, they didn't hit anything.
	But they fell short of the target.
	The fact that this primitive terrorist group has these sophisticated weapons is outrageous.
	Iran is behind this.
	It's directing it.
	And I might add that in mid-November, while Congress was furious about the possible role of Iran in the Hamas terrorist attack, the Biden administration gave Iran a $10 billion sanctions waiver.
	I mean, again, this is not deterrence.
	This is not convincing our enemies to stop destabilizing the region.
	And if we're talking about retaliation, we saw it over the weekend when Iran fired missiles at a U.S.
	base.
	Which hasn't happened.
	Well, actually, it may have happened earlier in the week, but it definitely happened recently.
	And I'm just thinking, what's going to stop that?
	Well, it's not.
	And I think this is the thing that I want to discuss.
	We're going to dig into it here in a minute.
	We're going to take a quick break.
	We're going to come back with Fred.
	We're going to dig in a little bit further.
	This Iran issue, Pakistan issue, and just what's going on in this region.
	This is why you come to us, Seb Gorka, Show America First Radio.
	We're here.
	Doug Collins filling in.
	We'll be right back.
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	We're going to be talking about the deaf community.
	All right, for all of you who are listening on the not-Rumble stage, if you're listening on Dress Right, you're hearing it, yes, War Pigs, Black Sabbath.
	Sort of fitting for this discussion we're having right now, and for those of you on Rumble, just go put it on after the show, after you get hearing the rest.
	But we're going to pick back up with Fred Flesser.
	Fred, let's take this a step further, and not just, you know, the discussion of Iran and them getting 10 billion dollars.
	Iran is really an oddity, And I mean that not in the sense of being strange, but Iran in many ways stands by itself, not only in the world, but the Middle East as well, with the Mullahs and others, and the funding of terrorist groups.
	There are many Arab countries and Muslim countries in that area that do not get along at all with Iran.
	Pakistan, just in this past week or so, actually had an aerial attack into Iran.
	And for those who follow this at a very loose level, that might seem odd.
	Explain that situation and how Pakistan involved there.
	Well, about a week ago, Iran fired missiles into Pakistan, Syria, and Iraq.
	It fired missiles into Syria to attack ISIS, and this was in retaliation for the bombings during the Soleimani Memorial earlier in January.
	And in Iraq, it attacked a supposed Israeli spy base, and it probably targeted the U.S.
	consulate in Erbil, and U.S.
	forces near the Erbil air base.
	And at the same time, it fired missiles into Pakistan at a Sunni terrorist group that's at war with the Iranian regime.
	Well, the Pakistanis were furious.
	They recalled their ambassador, and they retaliated by firing at a Pakistani separatist group that's taken refuge in Iran.
	And it's very usual for nations to fire missiles into Iran.
	I don't think it's happened since the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, and Pakistan was laying a marker down saying, you can't violate our sovereignty like this.
	If you do, we will attack you.
	I think the Iranians made a mistake picking a fight with Pakistan.
	It has a more capable military, it has a large missile force, and it has nuclear weapons.
	Exactly!
	I think this is Pakistan, I think, trying to say, don't mess with us.
	And I believe both states have agreed to de-escalate and to stop firing missiles into the other.
	But let's go back to the very point, Fred.
	That is what brute force diplomacy looks like.
	If you pick on us, we're going to pick on back to you and we're going to do it quickly.
	We're not going to wait for 130 bases or 130 military installations of American forces to be attacked before we start doing anything.
	That's a great point.
	You know, the Houthis were attacking shipping in the Red Sea in Israel from mid-October,
	and we didn't retaliate until early January.
	We talked about it.
	We gave them all kinds of vital threats, and they laughed at us.
	They thought it was a joke.
	Pakistan immediately responded.
	That's called deterrence.
	Yeah, I mean, it's do it immediately, get it over with, and say,
	okay, if you wanna come on, jump.
	You know, if you're feeling froggy, time to jump.
	And no, they're not about to jump at Pakistan.
	Pakistan is in a state of war at most times mainly with its other side partner India but that's a whole different issue.
	One of the things I'm concerned about, Fred, and we look at this overall, is the, and again it goes back to these Iranian-backed militia groups, two of which, Hamas is being decimated in Gaza right now, but also you still have the better, if you would, of the terrorist groups, if you put it in that way, as far as well trained, well funded, and well organized, and that's the Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.
	And that has been inching up over the last few weeks as well.
	And you're also hearing reports of Israel bringing some of its more seasoned troops out of Gaza, moving them up north.
	How much should it worry the world right now of another front breaking out with Hezbollah to the north?
	Hezbollah is a very capable Iranian-backed terrorist group with a large missile and rocket arsenal, much larger than Hamas.
	But so far, it's limited its violence to mostly cross-border rocket attacks.
	They've been increasing.
	They have forced Israelis to evacuate areas in northern Israel.
	And Israel's been responding with retaliatory airstrikes, including airstrikes that have killed Hamas and Hezbollah leaders over the last few weeks.
	And I believe Iran and Hamas are frustrated with Hezbollah.
	Because they will not escalate up to an all-out war with Israel, and there's a reason for that.
	Hezbollah remembers what happened in 2006 when they did that, when basically Israel cleaned Hezbollah's clock.
	I was on the House Intel Committee staff in 2006, and I went there in a congressional delegation.
	I saw the devastation in Beirut, the bridges that Israel destroyed.
	It was devastating.
	For Hezbollah, it is both a terrorist group and it's a political party.
	And it's having political problems right now.
	It does not have control of parliament.
	So going to war with Israel will have a political price for Hezbollah.
	So they're a real problem, but I think that factor may keep them from entering a full-fledged war.
	Not that what they're doing isn't destabilizing, but I don't think they're going to cross that line.
	Well, it is interesting though, Fred, you remember at the beginning of this, they said they would escalate in proportion to what was happening in Gaza.
	Well, Gaza's basically been leveled, okay?
	I'm not, I can understand the frustration if I was Hamas in thinking I had an ally to the north and that was going to keep Israel occupied, and they've not really moved.
	That's good for the world, but I think it does show the, how much, you know, sort of love money can buy.
	I mean, they're certainly being egged on by Hamas and Iran to attack.
	And I mean, my guess is that the Iranians and Hamas leaders are frustrated, because there's a limit so far as to how far Hezbollah will go.
	What they're doing is bad, and it's doing damage to northern Israel, and it's raising the possibility of escalating into a full-fledged war.
	But so far there seems to be a limit, and whether there'll be an offer for the war in Gaza, I don't know.
	I'm hoping it will scale down by By mid 2024, it's not going to scale down for the election calendar for Joe Biden, which is what Joe Biden would like.
	Israel will stop fighting when it thinks it has taken care of its security interests.
	Very quick.
	We've only got less than a minute here left, Fred, but I want to switch because there's going to be a funding battle in Congress over the next few weeks on not only Israel, but also the Ukraine, the roar of Russia.
	Without the funding, Coming from America and other places, real quickly, how do you see the next six to eight months in the Russia-Ukraine war as the spring-fall occurs in particular?
	I think it's going to be a stalemate with or without U.S.
	additional weapons.
	I think Ukraine could lose some ground, but Congress is getting tired of this war and they're looking for an off-ramp, they're looking for peace talks, and I think the Biden administration is actually beginning to consider that.
	It could be.
	Fred, always a great pleasure to talk with you.
	Fred Flatt's with us today.
	Thanks, Fred.
	Go in now.
	Go get your supper.
	I'm on the way as well.
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	Uh, let me just hit a few things that I just, sometimes I like to hit headlines as we go out here on this Monday.
	Uh, there's a headline on Fox news right now that says friends found frozen to death after cheese games outside friend's house.
	It's a lot of friends in that headline, but it basically goes on to say that two guys died outside of a guy's house in Kansas City after the January 7th game, watching the game.
	Anyway, got outside.
	Folks, you know, know where your friends are.
	I mean, that's just so sad to see that actually happen.
	No foul plays suspected, but here we go.
	Also, for those of you who like to watch some of the reality TV, Pawn Stars has been one Um, that, you know, many people watch Rick Harrison's son, uh, overdosed.
	And we just remember Rick and his, uh, family during this time.
	But then the one I want to end on is one we sort of talked off air about in this transgender issue.
	And I'm sorry, uh, this one in Florida, the, the transgender golfer, um, you know, it won an LPGA tournament.
	Here's my problem.
	There is a reason there is an LPGA and there's a reason there's a PGA.
	Men and women!
	It's your choice!
	And if you...
	If you think this is good, then you're basically, as Riley Gaines and so many others have said, if you think you're being helpful here, you're not.
	You're tearing down all that women have tried to do in the last 40 years to find a place where they can perform in a different arena other than males.
	Otherwise, they would be male NFL players, they'd be male basketball players in the NBA, that is why there's the WNBA.
	This is just ridiculous.
	And folks, I'm just sorry.
	If you want to identify however you want to identify, that is up to you.
	You live in a country in which you can do that.
	But don't take an identification that causes you an advantage over others and go into an area in which you are not part of inherently.
	And again, we can debate this all day long, but again, the more I say this, the more you see this going on is just frustrating.
	People are seeing through it, and as they're seeing through it, they understand that this is just not the way it should be.
	It has been a quick three hours.
	Doug Collins here in the seat, ready for action.
	Glad you've been with us today.
	Seb Gorka will be back with you later, but I am just saying thankful for being here.
	All the callers, all the guests today, we're glad to have you being a part.
	Go out, make somebody's day, tell them something nice.
	You will be the beneficiary in the end.
	And we'll see you next time we're sitting here in the chair.

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