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Nov. 21, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Back with the Boss at Mar-a-Lago

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	you you
	you you
	you We're back!
	It's great to be back.
	This is Sebastian Gawker and you're listening to America First.
	I'm very grateful for all those who stepped into the breach.
	Oh my gosh, I didn't even prepare details about what I did last week at the oldest debating society in the world.
	I just realized I haven't been on the air since then.
	Oxford Union, it was incredible.
	I'll tell you all the stories but I want to say thank you first to Grant Stinchfield who covered for me last week and then yesterday As I was traveling to somewhere in Florida, Bob Franz stepped into the breach, and God bless you, Bob, for... I listened to it a little bit on the plane as I was coming back to DC, and you did a superb job.
	I don't know, all that stuff about praising my team at the end of the show, talking about Eric, Jeff, and Guy, and Alex, and John, and I don't know what that's all about.
	I don't know if they paid you a lot of money to say that, but thank you for doing that.
	Okay.
	Yesterday, I was at a certain establishment that, if you look at this photograph, I'm sure you will agree is only worth about 18 million dollars.
	Or maybe a little bit more than eight.
	I think the car park is worth probably twice that.
	I went to a place called Mar-a-Lago.
	And if you have ever been there, you'll recognize the inside, the furnishings, the statuary as well as a... I think that's Cicero.
	I think my son says that looks like Cicero.
	And you realize where you are when you go into the quote-unquote living room at Mar-a-Lago.
	And what do you see there?
	You see, an Air Force One!
	Yes, indeed, on the coffee table that kind of gives it away.
	I was there, of course, to see the President, who'd sent me a message three weeks ago through a dear friend about what his plans are for 2025, after the election, after, God willing, we put him back in the White House.
	And then I requested an audience and I went to see him.
	You know what the fun thing was?
	I don't know.
	He must have the best intelligence service outside of government, because he's a little bit late, which is fine.
	I was the only person he was seeing that day.
	And I'm waiting in his private office, out on the balcony.
	It was hot.
	My gosh, it was hot in Florida yesterday.
	I was in my double-breasted suit.
	And in walks his assistant, you know who you are, lovely lady, with a tray with two malted vanilla milkshakes.
	And I do not know how the 45th president of the United States knows that my favorite cooled beverage is not only a vanilla milkshake, but is a malted vanilla milkshake.
	And there I was waiting for the president on the balcony of Mar-a-Lago with, I have to say, it was the best milkshake in the world.
	As you have seen from his letter from his doctor that was published yesterday on the 81st birthday of the current incumbent of the White House, President Trump is in fighting form.
	He's lost some weight.
	I don't know if... I didn't ask him, it would have been a little bit indiscreet, whether vanilla milkshakes are his...
	his lunchtime meal but man it was a good milkshake and then we had a chat just me and the boss for over an hour um i can't go into a lot of details about what we discussed but uh look i know you all want to know we had a straw poll am i allowed to talk about this i'm going to do it anyway we had a straw poll on all of our shows here on america first as to who you're voting for eric did i show you the results of the straw poll I have not.
	Are you about to break this news here on this episode of America First?
	I'm not getting in trouble, but we have, you know, numerous hosts throughout the day, and you know who they are, you know, from Hugh Hewitt to Charlie Kirk, Dennis Prager, Mike Gallagher, Officer Tatum.
	There is only one show on the Salem Network that in a choice between President Trump, Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, Krispy Kreme, and the rest, there's only one show In which the listeners polled 100% support for President Trump.
	Eric, can you guess which show it was?
	I think I can safely say I'm honoured that it was this show, wasn't it?
	I was expecting something higher.
	I was expecting maybe 75, 80%.
	100% of our listeners across the nation from Los Angeles to the stinking cesspit that is Washington DC.
	100% of the respondents for our Salem straw poll for this show for America First said, yeah, it's President Trump.
	All right, what can I talk about with regards to our meeting?
	Well, first, I'll tell you how he's doing.
	Stunning.
	I don't know how he does it.
	I simply... I don't know how he does it.
	And don't forget, I'm the child of a man who survived literal torture by secret police in a communist regime and who was imprisoned for life at the age of 20, who spent two years in solitary, two years down a prison coal mine.
	And I didn't understand.
	I didn't understand how my father, Paul Gorka, Was one of the most fun-loving men I knew.
	Always ready to have fun.
	Twinkle in his eye, bon vivant, an amazing host, raconteur, just a fun man to be around.
	When I was a kid in the 70s, the dinner parties my father, my wife, my mother would hold.
	just, I was an only child sitting there at the top of the stairs watching all
	these grown-ups have fun, getting out of fiddle, playing music, dancing. How you do
	that? Some people are just made differently and I'm convinced of the
	fact that President Trump is made differently. This is a man who's
	under assault 24 hours a day by those who wish to destroy him because he loves
	A man who's facing centuries in prison on trumped up charges in DC, in Georgia, in New York.
	We'll be talking about those later in the show today.
	We have an amazing lineup.
	We have Sean Spicer, Lord Conrad Black, Greg Jarrett on the court cases, on and on and on.
	You don't want to miss a second.
	It would have been completely normal for me to see my former employer and for him to be dejected, to be broken, to be down, to be ruminating on everything they've done to him and his family.
	It was like we were back in the White House and it was, you know, January 23rd, 2017.
	Stunning.
	23rd 2017. Stunning. Nothing, nothing can break this man.
	We talked about the Rona Romney McDaniel.
	We talked about the need to secure the election from theft.
	We talked about the polls.
	Wow!
	And I made just one observation.
	I think, I think you can look this up.
	You can back me up.
	Never in the history of modern presidential politics have we been eleven months and two weeks from an election with the leader of the opposition Not only 50 plus points against his nearest challenger, more than 50 percentage points ahead of his nearest challenger in his own party, but also trouncing the incumbent in four out of five swing states?
	I said to the president, that's historic.
	There's a reason.
	And the reason isn't just America.
	It's not just domestic.
	Look what happened yesterday in Argentina.
	Javier Milei, a man who is, may not be a Traditional conservative, maybe quite a radical libertarian, but he's no commie.
	That man has broken the backs of the socialists who've run Argentina for nigh on 40 years.
	President Trump is just the exemplar of a world that wants national sovereignty, greatness, and liberty back.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, so glad to be back in the chair with you today.
	If you enjoy the show, never miss the third hour.
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	Today it will be my former White House buddy, Sean Spicer.
	Super, super fun guy.
	You don't want to miss it.
	And if you stand with President Trump, if you know we can be great again, if the world can be stable again, as long as he becomes 47 Put the yard sign outside your home.
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	Get the mug with his booking photo from Atlanta.
	And a very simple phrase.
	Trump 2024.
	Get yours today.
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	And support him directly at DonaldJTrump.com.
	That's Donald J Trump dot com.
	Okay, good.
	Go ahead and show it.
	Yep, there it is.
	That's it.
	Good, good, good.
	And I have a shot of an image of the article as well.
	Let me go ahead and call him.
	Which article?
	Because he's got a couple.
	Oh, the one he printed.
	Let me... The one that you read, this one.
	Oh, good.
	Okay, good.
	Alright.
	Alright.
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	And what a perfect time also to announce this patriotic season, this patriotic week, a new book from our good buddy.
	Who better to guide us through the Constitution, the founding documents, than, of course, Greg Jarrett.
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	Well, and to you and your listeners, Seb, good to be with you as always.
	All right, well, we're going to talk about the book and why you think we need a new book that collects these works.
	I know why, because I don't want some fusty historian.
	I want a guy who understands the legal import of these documents, and you'll explain that to us momentarily.
	But first, you have a superb, and I mean superb, article that I'm going to just pull chunks of and repost online.
	It's called The Brief.
	It's from TheGregJarrett.com.
	Trump trial judge should read my book on the Constitution and bone up on civil liberties.
	It's an amazing article.
	I made this point on a radio interview yesterday and I'd like you to unpack it because I think you hit upon this so trenchantly in your piece.
	The gag order against President Trump Isn't about his First Amendment rights.
	It's also about everybody else's rights to hear him because he's the leader of the opposition.
	This isn't just about one man.
	This is an election year, Greg.
	That's right, Seb.
	And the U.S.
	Supreme Court has constantly reminded the American public that the First Amendment doesn't just protect the speaker's right to express him or herself freely.
	But it protects the right of listeners to hear speech they may want to know or need to know or must know.
	So this gag order by Judge Ngoron, which rhymes with moron, ...is an unconstitutional prior restraint of free speech.
	It is a presumptive violation of the First Amendment.
	And here that violation is especially acute because the person being gagged is running for public office, the presidency of the United States.
	Donald Trump has an elevated right to speak freely in defense of himself, especially Since the person bringing the case against him, New York State Attorney General Letitia James, who campaigned on the promise of getting Trump, has held a series of news conferences in which he convicted him in the court of public opinion, and Trump has a cherished right under the Constitution to respond.
	And also, this whole idea that you can't, you know, cast aspersions publicly because you could be defaming or intimidating a jury.
	There's one problem with that argument, isn't there, Greg?
	Yeah.
	There's no jury in this case.
	It's a bench trial.
	And, you know, even if there was a jury, judges and court staff Tell me where in the Constitution or the law they are immune from public criticism.
	They're fair game for commentary by Trump or anyone else.
	I've lambasted repeatedly Judge Ingorn for abusing the law in his rulings.
	He already announced that Trump is guilty of civil fraud before the trial ever began, before any Evidence and testimony was presented.
	It reminds me very much of the old Soviet show trials in which the outcome was preordained.
	And then, of course, there's this whole perverse basis for the trial, Greg, that it's some kind of Consumer Protection Act.
	What's the problem with saying that some fraud was committed under the Consumer Protection Act?
	Well, you're right.
	She dusted off from the basement archives this oddball consumer protection statute, which completely undermines more than a century of well-established common law that requires proof of intent to deceive that somebody knowingly made a false statement.
	Well, she just tossed that out the window.
	But not only that, the lawsuit against Trump being tried in New York also violates the U.S.
	Constitution, how it penalizes incorrect commercial speech, which the First Amendment absolutely protects, so says the U.S.
	Supreme Court.
	Yeah, and of course the banks that provided the loans were all paid back, and some were paid back early, correct?
	Oh yeah, they made out like bandits.
	I mean, they pocketed more than a hundred million dollars in profits.
	They never complained, and more importantly, before they ever loaned the money, they did their own due diligence.
	They hired real estate experts, the top accounting firms, the best lawyers in New York, They confirmed Trump's financial valuations and said, loan the money!
	And the banks did, and as I say, they profited handsomely.
	All right, the article is on TheGregJarrett.com.
	Trump trial judge should read my book on the Constitution and bone up on civil liberties.
	Follow this man at Greg Jarrett.
	The book is, it's brand new, it's just been released, The Constitution of the United States and Other Patriotic Documents.
	That'll be next here on America First.
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	wherever you are whatever you're doing stay on this channel so somebody was making this point today on another show
	That of the 91 indictments, just by sheer math, there's no way he goes 91 for 0.
	What's your expectation?
	What is the hardest one?
	What are they going to desperately make stick?
	Thanks.
	First of all, you cannot get a fair trial if your name is Trump in Washington, D.C., or in New York, and probably not Fulton County, Georgia.
	These prosecutors Truly realized that their cases will likely not stand up on appeal, but they don't care.
	No.
	You know, they want to do the damage now with a conviction and Sully Trump's name and harm him and his chances for getting elected again.
	And it's like the Bob McDonald case in Virginia.
	You know, the US Supreme Court unanimously tossed out the convictions, but by then, The damage was done.
	It ruined McDonald's career.
	And they're going to try and push this through before the election?
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	They waited until it was campaign season to bring the charges for the sole purpose of harming Trump's chances in the election.
	So which one do you think they're going to push through the most?
	Well, I mean, they're all going to try to push.
	I mean, Alvin Bragg's case is ludicrous.
	I'm not sure it'll ever get in front of a jury.
	You know, Fannie Willis, Jack Smith, they've got cases that they're, you know, trying to push to trial.
	Beginning, you know, the front end of this next year, so that it happens right during the primary season.
	You know, there are obstacles that I think they're facing, the classified documents case.
	Yes.
	How can you clear jurors for classified documents?
	Well, you know, there are procedures, but it's pretty difficult.
	And, you know, we'll have to wait and see.
	Yeah.
	Lunatics, the lot of them.
	Well, you know, Jack Smith has a long and distinguished record of mangling the law and the evidence and contorting it in order to bring politically driven prosecutions.
	And of course, he was the guy who was unanimously overturned.
	Yeah, 9 to 0, right?
	Well, 8 to 0, one justice recused him.
	But it was unanimous.
	Spanking of Jack Smith.
	He also lost the John Edwards case.
	Same thing.
	You know, he took a law that did not apply and he, you know, tried to jam a square peg in a round hole.
	Yeah.
	But he just looks, I mean, just his press conference, the guy looks like a psycho.
	I know, doesn't he?
	I mean, judge a book by its cover.
	Yeah.
	All right, let's talk about the book, the new book.
	How many books is this for you now?
	This is number four.
	Wow.
	Uh, you know, that's not that many.
	Uh, it's all right.
	It's one more than me.
	One more than me.
	Well, you got to catch up, pal.
	I know.
	Don't tell my publisher.
	He'll be most annoyed.
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	Okay, what are we going to read this holiday, this Christmas season?
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	A fascinating book called Wounded Tiger.
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	Mr. Martin Bennett!
	Are you there?
	Sebastian, it's great to be with you.
	Thank you so much.
	Greetings!
	Welcome to the show today.
	Alright, so first things first, for those who are not familiar with this fascinating real story, what is Wounded Tiger about?
	Yeah, great question.
	Wounded Tiger is the true story of the pilot who led the attack on Pearl Harbor, whose life was changed by an American prisoner and by a girl he never met.
	This was fiction.
	It would not make a good story because it's just too far out to be true or to be believed.
	But it is true, and it is a fascinating and compelling story.
	So tell us a little bit about who this person is, Mitsuo Fuchida, and the other stars of the story, Jake DeShazza, and why this is such, as you say, an unbelievable story that really should be a movie.
	Well, that's how I started it.
	So I stumbled across this true story years ago, and I thought, why does the world not know this story?
	So I spent three years on research.
	The more I dug into it, the better it got.
	And there are three primary characters in this story.
	Fuchida was the lead pilot in the attack on Pearl Harbor, handpicked by Admiral Yamamoto.
	He despised the United States, and he believed that Japan was to be one of the most prominent nations in the world. So he was motivated by selfish ambition and
	ambition for his country.
	The second plotline is a guy named Jake DeShazer. He was an American who volunteered for the U.S.
	Army and ended up in the U.S. Army Air Corps, the precursor of the Air Force, and was on the first
	counterattack against the Japanese after the Pearl Harbor attacks.
	So he was on the Doolittle Raid in April of 1942.
	And ultimately he did bomb Japan, but his plane ran out of fuel and he bailed out.
	He was captured by the Japanese, was in solitary confinement, tortured, saw his buddies shot and died of exposure.
	So he was living in really hell on earth.
	Then the third plotline of this story, and all three of these come together, Sebastian.
	It's very interesting how it all happens.
	The third plotline are parents who are teachers, highly educated from the Chicago area.
	They went out to Japan.
	They raised their kids there.
	They were missionaries as well.
	They loved the people of Japan.
	They served the poorest of the poor, but as Japan ramped up for war, They felt they had to flee to the Philippines.
	They went out there and then sent their kids back to the United States.
	So that's the setup of these three stories that ultimately come together in such a way that it transforms Fuchida's mind and thinking.
	And Fuchida, excuse me, and then Jake DeShazer's life was also transformed.
	And then Peggy Covell was really the fulcrum of change in Fuchida's life, although he never met her.
	And who do you recommend Wounded Tiger to?
	Who is this a book for, Martin?
	Well, I love true stories, so people who love true stories love Wounded Tiger.
	It does have a strong spiritual element because war doesn't come from machines, it comes from people's hearts, so that change has to take place in the heart, and you'll see that happen in Vegeta's life.
	However, I've seen many people who are not religiously inclined in any way, shape, or form.
	They just like true, positive, inspiring stories that are authentic.
	And for that reason, I've found it just extremely appealing across the board.
	I've had so many people read the book.
	A friend told me he was trying to sleep at two o'clock in the morning, and his wife kept elbowing him, saying, you're not going to believe this.
	This just happened.
	Unbelievable story.
	So it is It is quite an incredible story, and it involves these three people's lives who are really separate, but then they ultimately all come together in the same place.
	So, honestly, I've tested this book with young, old, male, female, all kinds of people.
	I've not found any group of people who did not really find it compelling and interesting.
	The website is www.woundedtiger.com.
	www.woundedtiger.com.
	Everybody needs to check out this website and the book.
	In the last 30 seconds we have with you, Mr. Bennett, what are the future plans or hopes for this story?
	Well, I wrote it as a screenplay, so I'm in talks with people to get the film done.
	But to summarize things on this conversation, the world has always been full of wars and fighting and killing and death.
	But this is a story of people who hated each other's countries, and they came to peace both with themselves and with each other.
	It's a demonstration of a pathway to peace that the world needs to hear.
	Love it, love it, love it.
	Perfect timing for the Christmas season.
	The book is Wounded Tiger.
	We'll be talking to the author, Martin Bennett.
	Follow him at WoundedTigerBK, as in book, and also the website WoundedTiger.com.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Dr. G is ready for anything on America First.
	There's a whole thing on social media about he got destroyed in a debate.
	Whether it's our buddy Charlie Kirk or the likes of Ben Shapiro or lately Douglas Murray every day seems to be doing it with somebody else and you know just don't go up against somebody who knows how to debate.
	But when you are owned by somebody who's 10 years old or maybe 11.
	Maybe it stings a little more.
	Eric, where was Nikki Haley when this happened?
	Do you know where this campaign event was?
	I think this was in Iowa.
	Okay, so the fact that they gave the little girl a microphone and it's so well recorded and then just the reaction from the crowd.
	Oh dear, poor Nikki Haley.
	Will she ever recover?
	Cut 11!
	I love your head.
	Thank you.
	One of your guys gave it to me for free.
	If you listen to the rest of the cut, the whole crowd erupts.
	Yeah, one of your guys, one of your stuffers gave it to me free.
	That's rather embarrassing.
	Alright, is it as embarrassing as this?
	He was 81 years old yesterday.
	He had A birthday cake that I'm sure was close to setting off the fire alarms in the White House.
	Although we never know, is he in the real White House or is he in the fake studio White House that's across the road?
	We never know, so who knows where he was.
	And then he said something about... Eric, was he talking about the turkeys?
	Yeah, I think this was right before the turkey pardoning event.
	But turkeys go gobble gobble.
	They don't sing songs, do they?
	I mean, have I missed some kind of special American turkey that can sing songs?
	If it exists, it would make for the greatest show on earth, I'll tell you that much.
	Yeah, yeah.
	An alternate universe with Joe Biden in it.
	This is what he said yesterday as part of the turkey pardoning celebrations.
	Cut to Ted, the current incumbent in the White House.
	I'm about to meet the entire family.
	And by the way, it's my birthday today and they can actually sing birthday songs.
	I met the entire family.
	It's my birthday today.
	And they can actually sang.
	Happy birthday.
	That's what he said, right, Eric?
	They can actually, they can actually sang.
	They can actually sang birthday to me.
	Not happy birthday, just birthday.
	I just worked it out.
	That, that, that mismatch of persons with the verb.
	They must've been transgender turkeys, right?
	Cause it must've been they, them, and then that they sang.
	There must be some kind of transgender thing going on with the turkeys, no?
	Gotta make history!
	First transgender turkey!
	There's got to be some explanation.
	Either that or you see now.
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	You're listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump.
	Who was it who said it?
	I think it was indeed the greatest leader in the Western world in the last hundred years, Winston Randolph Churchill, that saved Western civilization.
	He said, if you've got enemies, that's a good thing, right?
	Why?
	Because it means that you've stood for something.
	Welcome, dear friends, you're listening to America First.
	A man who doesn't have enemies, doesn't have people who detest him, well, has he ever stood for something?
	Has he ever stood up for something that is good?
	Because evil exists, evil is out there.
	And if you place yourself As a representative of that which is true and that which is good, then you will be hated, as our Lord told us.
	He warned his followers, he warned those who would follow him, the way, the truth, the light, that you will be hated.
	The modern world denies the existence of truth.
	So everything is subjective.
	Everything can be deconstructed, can be cut into pieces, and nothing is real.
	Everything is subjective.
	That is the bitter fruit of the Enlightenment, of the focus on human reason above all else, from Darwin to Freud to the modern atheist movement, the likes of Sam Harris and other imbeciles.
	I mean, truly, it does take a certain cretinous level of minus IQ to believe that we are accidents.
	To believe that the love you feel for your child, for your wife, for your mother, for your father is some biochemical function of molecular interactions in your cerebellum and osmotic chemical transmission, you have to be really stupid.
	To look at a flower, to look at a piece of fruit, to look at a sunrise or a sunset and think, Just an accident!
	To posit that the perfect positioning of the earth in what is called the Goldilocks zone, meaning we are exactly the right, I mean exactly the right position in terms of Gravity, in terms of temperature, in terms of the capacity for this one planet to maintain a sheath of oxygen and nitrogen to fuel human life, not to have it fried out off the surface by the power of that yellow fireball in the sky.
	The idea that water exists in a liquid form across the planet, not frozen, not evaporated, but just the right temperature to sustain life.
	You have to be a moron!
	Like Charles Darwin to say, ah, just survival of the fittest, sludge, primeval sludge with some kind of lightning strike that creates life.
	Really?
	Really?
	That's more plausible than a designer?
	Think of that one example.
	You walk on a beach.
	And you find a watch.
	You find a pocket watch.
	Ticking away.
	You pick it up.
	It's beautifully engineered.
	Cogs, wheels, springs, balances.
	And you think, well, you know, it's just an accident.
	These pieces just found each other, conglomerated over time, and positioned themselves along these axles, uh, combined together to make a watch by, uh, evolution?
	Well, forget that!
	You're far more complicated than some fob watch!
	Imagine finding a laptop!
	Imagine finding... Oh, I don't know.
	A car, the space shuttle, something made by man, just lying there and saying, yeah, it's just evolution.
	That's inanimate objects!
	That isn't life!
	And the best of all, the Big Bang Theory.
	The idiocy of all idiocy.
	That life began, the universe was created, Out of what?
	And how?
	Uh, a big bang.
	Okay.
	What initiated the bang?
	Um... Pass.
	Don't, don't know.
	No idea.
	Really?
	We're supposed to believe that the universe is ever-expanding from an initial point of explosion where everything, everything known to mankind was created in an instance.
	Everything was created.
	Every type of element.
	Every kind of substance.
	Every kind of force.
	Was created.
	In a micro, micro moment.
	Just... How?
	How?
	How?
	I mean, how?
	Nothing comes from nothing.
	That much is true.
	But to just say, well, there was an explosion.
	But what caused the explosion?
	Nothing can move without a prime mover.
	There's no such thing as a spontaneous explosion without a spark, without a dynamic moment that triggers that expansion, that creation of everything that has ever existed coming into being instantly.
	It's just an accident.
	And life is just the propagation of my genes?
	My, you have to be an idiot to believe that.
	Really, truly, cretinous.
	You can't explain anything in human history in terms of copulation.
	Nothing.
	Doesn't explain anything.
	Doesn't explain sacrifice.
	Doesn't explain love.
	Doesn't explain the concepts of familial bonding.
	The nurturing nature of the mother.
	The protective force of the father.
	Truly stunning how stupid people are.
	How did we get here?
	Well, it is the season, is it not?
	We start in America with this great tradition, where this week we give thanks.
	Let's be serious about it this time, because if we give thanks properly, which we should do every day, every morning, every night, but at least if we do it once as a family together, once a year, maybe it'll refocus our minds, Maybe we'll understand once more what really matters.
	So let's do that.
	You can start now.
	There's no harm starting today.
	I'll start today.
	I'll give thanks for my parents.
	The unfiltered, unfettered, limitless love they showed to me.
	I'll give thanks to the people who liberated my father from a communist prison cell where he would have died.
	I'll give thanks to my wife Katie.
	Who made a man of me and opened this amazing country to me.
	I'll give thanks to Nick Pratt, the Marine Corps Colonel who made my life in America possible.
	I'll give thanks to President Trump who took an immigrant to this nation and made him his deputy.
	I'll give thanks to my children.
	Who never doubted me for a second, who stood by me while the scum of the earth defamed me in the mainstream media for the last seven years incessantly.
	I'll give thanks to my friends who stood by me.
	I'll give thanks to Salem that offered me a job after I left the White House.
	To Newsmax.
	To all the decent people out there who love this country.
	I'll give thanks to my team.
	To Jeff.
	To John.
	To Eric.
	To Alex.
	To Guy.
	To Phil, who hired me.
	To Tom.
	To Ed.
	To Dave.
	But most of all, I give thanks to you.
	Because you are the future of America.
	And I give thanks To the man in the sky with the long white beard.
	No, not Santa, but God, who didn't need to send his son, but who did, and his grace and love is limitless, and his grace and favor we do not deserve, but we receive it every day.
	Thank you, God.
	Thanks to all of you.
	Thank you to America.
	Wow, where did that come from?
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	Nicely done.
	What did I even start talking about?
	I don't even know how I got onto that topic.
	What was the first thing I spoke about?
	Did I play a cut?
	I don't think you played a cut, no.
	What's... Fine inspiration.
	Yeah, but I was talking about something at the beginning and it just kind of clicked onto Thanksgiving.
	What was it?
	Anyway, let's post that.
	You were talking about debating.
	Oh, what was I talking about?
	Debating.
	Oh, debating!
	I think that's how it started.
	Yeah, talking about debating.
	Did I play- I didn't play the cut of the little girl, did I?
	No, you did that last hour.
	In E. That's so weird.
	No, no, it's nothing.
	Best monologues are spontaneous.
	Yeah, they usually are, it's weird.
	Alright, let's call that...
	So boring to say what I'm thankful for...
	What's a good title?
	More towards the evolution thing.
	Yeah, yeah, that's better.
	That'll get eyeballs.
	Darwin and Freud, colon.
	Greatest idiots of history.
	Greatest idiots of history.
	That's good.
	All right, good.
	All right.
	Oh, will you text me the chauffeur's number so I just have it?
	Yeah, I just had it written down.
	Um, oh there it is, yeah.
	Yep, okay.
	And you saw what I texted you about Schmidt tonight?
	The topics?
	Uh, no, I'll have a look.
	Yeah.
	Long list of topics.
	Okay, this, yes.
	Alright, t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t Okay, topic, Stranger 6.
	Okay, good, alright.
	They didn't give you the driver's name, right?
	Don.
	Eric's his uncle.
	Okay.
	Don?
	Okay.
	Thanks Angel tree. Mm-hmm
	You You
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Okay, I did text you for a moment, I thought I texted somebody else.
	Okay, um... Angel Tree at the top.
	You wanna maybe do the melee cut here, or?
	Uh, definitely, and then what was the other long one?
	There was another video.
	This is a video of a man who was killed by a car.
	He was a man who was killed by a car.
	on the side of the U.S. Constitution.
	America first.
	That was funny.
	I didn't plan that monologue.
	We're waiting for Lord Black.
	Something just triggered me lots, lots of times.
	That is the way it should be.
	All right.
	It's Thanksgiving week.
	How is Christmas around the corner?
	It's just sheer insanity.
	I love it.
	And I want the snow.
	I want the cold.
	The cold is slowly arriving.
	I love that.
	I want the snow and Christmas.
	It's such a fun time of year, isn't it?
	But not for everyone.
	No, not for everyone.
	There's more than a million children in this country who've got a parent behind bars.
	And many moons ago, a great man called Truck Colson, who served his own time, thought, these children are vulnerable.
	We need to help them.
	And so he has.
	And we are honored every year to be part of his Angel Tree Prison Fellowship campaign.
	What we do here is we ask you to help purchase a Christmas gift for one of these children and they will organize a message from their incarcerated mother or father and a Bible.
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	These are children who feel guilty, who ask themselves, was it me?
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	All right, we haven't even mentioned it.
	I think only in passing, it's... Oh, I've got to get the right pronunciation.
	Help me out, Alex.
	What is the name of the new president in Argentina?
	Javier Milei.
	Javier Milei.
	Is that good?
	That's good.
	All right.
	Javier Milei.
	I've got a photograph I've got to send Eric.
	It's rather delightful before we play this audio clip from him because I think it's rather indicative.
	It's rather Trumpian.
	Let's put this up on the screen.
	So this is an individual who I think he played football kind of semi-professionally at the age of 18, I think.
	Then he ended up as professor of economics and he believes that communism is bad and he has trounced the opposition after almost 40 years of socialism.
	He beat the other candidate by 10 points at the weekend election and he will be the next president of Argentina!
	Argentina thank you and there's an amazing viral there's lots of viral clips of this guy because he's rather a showman a little bit like my former boss President Trump and there's one of him walking up to a whiteboard with a list of all the labels of all the different ministries in Argentina and in Spanish he starts ripping them off the board and saying GON!
	Getting rid of it!
	Throw it out!
	Let's just... I'll read the ministries.
	Let's just play the clip.
	It's too good.
	Ministry of Sports.
	Out!
	Ministry of Culture.
	Out!
	Environment and Development.
	Out!
	Women, Genders and Diversity.
	Out!
	Ministry of Public Works.
	Out!
	Minister of Science, Technology and Innovation, out!
	Minister of Labour, Employment, out!
	Minister of Education, indoctrination, out!
	Minister of Transport, out!
	Minister of Health, out!
	Minister of Social Development, out!
	The thievery of politics is over.
	Long live liberty.
	That's one of his favorite phrases.
	Eric, is this a big deal?
	What do you think of President Javier Meleí?
	This guy is such a character and I love it.
	I mean, you're familiar, we're all familiar.
	It's too bad we can't play it on the radio, but the viral clip, the best viral clip.
	In an interview with a journalist where he denounces S leftists.
	Crap leftists.
	Let's put it that way.
	Yeah, what is it?
	Excrement.
	Excrement leftists.
	And the journalist says, why do you call them excrement?
	Because they are excrement!
	I love this man already.
	He's one of my favorite people in the world right now.
	Alright, now a little bit of caution.
	As I told you guys, he's got... Look, he's a libertarian.
	He's a doctrinaire, showman libertarian.
	He is a character.
	He's very Trumpian.
	He was a reality TV star.
	But he believes in... He's a big pro-immigration guy and he's legalizing drugs as well.
	So he's like far libertarian, okay?
	But at least he hates commies.
	So congratulations to the people of Argentina.
	You've done well.
	And he loves President Trump, and I think his first tweet after the election was, Trump 2024!
	It's on my timeline.
	Follow us, check it out right there.
	Alright, let's go to our buddies.
	Oh my gosh!
	Antoinette, California.
	Happy Tuesday, I think it is?
	Dr. G, we're going to pretend it's Thursday, but you know what?
	With your prayer and what you said, you just moved me so.
	And of course, I'm not going to cry, but you just moved me.
	So what I wanted to add to your prayer and what you said of our country, we need to definitely protect and pray for our veterans and our military for sure.
	Pray for our country and our USA Thanksgiving.
	You know, this is such a special, special moment with our family and our country, and we will not ever, ever give up.
	And thank you, Dr. G, for your inspiration that you just gave a little bit ago.
	Could you tell that that was not rehearsed?
	That was spontaneous?
	Oh my God!
	You were making me... I was starting to cry and catch those tears.
	I know you don't like me to do that, but right now our heart, our soul, our mind, our body is for our country and our love for President Trump And you know what, to all you guys, and everybody in the United States of America, we can never, ever give up, and we must fight for this country, and you as hell better get out there and vote, and get your other friends to vote.
	Yeah, not just vote.
	Get out there.
	Run for office.
	Be a poll worker.
	Be an election officer.
	And yes, we will pretend that it is Thursday.
	Thank you, Antoinette.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	All right, okay...
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I think the NBC pole is really important.
	It's just a long bloody cut.
	Yeah, I know it is.
	Yeah, I know.
	What is this?
	C block?
	This is C. Oh yeah, this is C. I forgot.
	Alright, we can do it.
	I might put it out early.
	Sure.
	Okay, alright.
	I'll tee it up.
	Cut 7.
	Alright.
	Yeah, the 18 to 35 thing is a big deal.
	But that was early on in the cut, right?
	Yeah, he does say that early on in the cut, yeah.
	I don't think Trump wins that block, but I think it is indicative that Biden is losing a lot of support.
	Especially among black males, that's the big thing.
	PhD.
	PhD at the top.
	Ahem.
	Ahhhh.
	Okay.
	80 seconds.
	Ph.D.
	reach the top. 50 seconds.
	Okay, let's do it.
	you you
	Making sense out of today's nonsense, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	There's a thread, our family thread, of course.
	My daughter's coming into town and we're debating what to have for Thanksgiving dinner, right?
	What kind of pie?
	They... Eric, are you like a pumpkin pie guy?
	Pumpkin pie is good.
	To me, you just can't go wrong with a classic apple pie.
	Alex, don't tell me you like apple pie.
	Don't tell me you like pumpkin pie.
	I'm indifferent to sweets altogether.
	Sweets?
	That's evil!
	Guy, what about you?
	My favourite pie is pecan pie.
	Yes!
	There's one normal person in this studio!
	Pecan pie!
	Look, guys, can we be clear here?
	Pumpkin is a vegetable, okay?
	Alright?
	We don't eat rhubarbs, we don't eat potatoes, we don't put, you know, turnips in a pie.
	Can we just, I know it's American, pecan pie or apple pie, please?
	Thank you, that's settled.
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	This is from, Eric, this is NBC, right?
	This is a big deal, this analysis, this cut we have.
	That's because this is the first time ever in NBC News history that a poll of theirs has Trump leading Biden in the general election.
	And let's listen to which demographic especially.
	Cut seven.
	Here it is.
	Donald Trump we have at 46 percent.
	Biden, 44.
	And this is significant because this is the first time in the history of our poll that former President Trump beats President Biden still within the margin of error, but still significant.
	Yeah, in 2019, 2020, when Trump was president, he trailed all of them.
	This year, he's trailed all of them in our poll.
	First time in more than a dozen polls, we've seen a result like this.
	Some of the other ingredients that go into that.
	Biden has long had an advantage over Trump on likability.
	Look, at the start of this year, 39% said they had a positive view of Biden, barely 30% of Trump.
	We've seen consistently a gap like this.
	Now, the gap is gone.
	36% positive on both.
	And actually, Biden One point more negative than Trump.
	That's been a significant advantage for Biden.
	Our poll says that advantage, at least for now, may be gone.
	And we talked about younger voters on foreign policy, and it's true on a host of other topics.
	Disaffected with Joe Biden.
	We have 46% for Trump, 42% for Biden among the youngest voters.
	The youngest voters in the 2020 election were Biden plus 26.
	This could be a massive sea change.
	46 to 42 in the 18 to 35.
	That's a deal breaker for the Dems.
	But it's okay!
	That mastermind, that Einstein of the podium, Corinne Jean-Pierre, she's got an answer.
	And our buddy from Newsmax, James Rosen, oh did he bring his A-game?
	Cut 13!
	Whenever you're asked about the president's dismal job approval ratings, you say we're not going to look at polls.
	We look at his accomplishments.
	And yet, when you are asked about various domestic policy initiatives, you will say these poll very well.
	People support what the president wants to do.
	If you look at the individual subjects on the polling, they support what the president's agenda is.
	So, once and for all, are only certain polls valid in your eyes, the ones that support your agenda, or is the polling data that shows that President Biden has been stuck for two years at the low 40s in his approval ratings, are those valid?
	So here's the thing.
	I think it's important to share that American people do approve of Some of the president's initiative.
	I think it is important.
	I think it's important for the American people to hear that when it comes to Medicare and fighting and fighting and being able to, Medicare, to be able to lower costs for the American people.
	I think it's important to share that.
	I think it's important to share that when it comes to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the American people care about that and want us to fight about that, fight for it, which is what the president... No, it's not that.
	It's not that.
	We are given, anytime I'm asked this question, given an opportunity to speak on what the American people want to hear and what we are doing, right?
	And so there are moments, just like when you ask me about certain polls, that I can say, hey, you know what?
	That is something that the American people support.
	So when the polls are crappy, then the polls don't count.
	But when the polls are a little bit good for Joe, then they're good polls.
	Oh, I get it.
	Thank you, Kareem Shobby.
	Yeah, that's so clear.
	All right, guys.
	I'm Sebastian Corcoran.
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	Oh, I forgot.
	I've got a completely new liner.
	I recorded with the President yesterday.
	It's epic.
	I completely forgot to give it to Alex.
	Alright, we'll save it for tomorrow.
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	All right, he used to be a host with Salem.
	He used to be with i24 News.
	Now he just goes by hashtag Producer Prince, a modest man.
	He is a good friend of America, of Israel.
	His name is Fred Menachem, and he DM'd me this.
	He sent me this message.
	I was a lifelong Democrat, then a moderate Republican, and now I don't know what the hell I am anymore, except I wouldn't vote for a Democrat.
	To be frank, I wasn't a Trump fan, but I think I'll be voting for him.
	What happened to him?
	Fred Menachem has finally come to his senses.
	Welcome to America First.
	Wow, I didn't know that was going public.
	Wow, look at that.
	Are you ashamed?
	Are you ashamed of your past?
	No, I'm not ashamed of anything.
	How could I possibly ever vote for the left ever again for the rest of my life?
	So what happened?
	What triggered you in the right way, Fred?
	I don't think anything.
	I don't think I've changed, to tell you the truth.
	I was a, you know, moderate guy always.
	I mean, probably, you know, I think that my generation sees the world differently.
	For example, I was always pro-immigration, right?
	but I'm not pro lawlessness.
	I was pro immigration in the sense of, yes, this country was built on with immigrants like you,
	like my great grandparents, but just I don't think I've changed.
	You look at guys like Bill Maher, look at him, right?
	He was, has he changed?
	No, this country's changed.
	The far left is out of control and the country's scary.
	Well, it's like the great Ronald Reagan said, that I didn't leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left me.
	So, tell us about what you're doing lately.
	People can catch up with your sound at cloud.com slash fredmanachem.
	But what's your priority in the last month, Fred?
	Well, so I actually, you know, I left media for a long time and I got involved with cybersecurity when I was living in Israel, you know, and without getting into all of that, but I'm starting to do media again.
	As you see, it seems like I spent a lot of time on Salem now, which is, which is interesting, but there's one thing I am working on right now and I'm pretty excited about it.
	And this is really the first time I'm publicly speaking about it.
	So when all of this happened in Israel, you know, and everybody's coming and trying to figure out like, what are we going to do, right?
	How are we going to help, help the community?
	I realize that there's one thing, you know, I've been in cyber security now seven years and at six years, you know, cyber, you know, Iran is going to start hacking Jewish institutions.
	Recently they hacked 23andMe and they stole about a million geographical data on Ashkenazi Jews.
	So cyber security attacks are going to impact the Jewish community significantly.
	We're seeing pro-Palestinian community hacked into a Jewish federation.
	So the bottom line is, I am about to, and the landing page should be done, and next time I come on the show, we're going to talk more about it, but the landing page should be done soon, and I am going to... So explain why this is... So this is your field.
	Most people have no idea what the brutal reality of cyberspace is, how everyday multiple hospitals in America are having their health records taken hostage by cyber hackers, for example.
	Really shocking stuff.
	Why is this important, and what kind of service or support are you going to offer, Fred?
	So it's important for many reasons.
	So the company I work for, Thrive DX, we started in Israel, of course.
	So very highly trained.
	Now, cyber, I think most people know, I hope that most people know, you know, about phishing attacks.
	Maybe they don't.
	But, you know, we hear about hacking attacks all the time.
	People come in, they steal data, and then they're forced to, you know,
	somebody has to pay to get it back.
	But I'm talking about, you know, that's economic issues.
	Cybersecurity impacts physical security.
	And let me make it clear and simple.
	So that's what you were asking me, right, Sebastian?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm gonna go back on track, okay.
	So think about this.
	Warfare today, right, It's not so much battleground anymore.
	Warfare is cyber warfare.
	Because you can basically, and this has happened, Iran once tried to hack into Israel's water system, you know, poisoning it, killing people.
	You can have somebody, Iran, hack into Jewish institutions.
	And let me give you an example.
	You know, I don't know if you remember about 10 years ago when in Argentina they blew up, you probably remember, 10, maybe a little longer, they blew up the Israeli embassy and then the Jewish community center.
	But the way they got that information, they had to use like human intel, right?
	Somebody had to go inside.
	But today, what do they have to do?
	Think about it.
	You and I are sitting here right now.
	Somebody could be hacking our phones, our microphones.
	They can go in, they can figure out the entire physical infrastructure of an institution, a Jewish institutional organization.
	They can hear everything.
	You know, you're talking about, you know, economically, obviously, this is an issue and but you're talking about people's lives and Jews right now, as you know, I certainly have to tell you and thank you, by the way, Sebastian, because you have been incredible.
	Supportive, and I'm telling you, it's hard.
	We don't have a lot of people doing that, and I want to thank you, by the way, and acknowledge that.
	Because it's really, I meant to tell you that the other day.
	It means a lot.
	I appreciate that, Fred.
	I didn't realize all of this extra work you're doing.
	It's super important.
	It's an area, it's the next dimension of warfare.
	Can we get you back for a longer discussion?
	I would absolutely love to come back.
	I'd really appreciate it.
	I'm looking forward to spending more time, man.
	You're going to get me back on air.
	It's like the mafia.
	Like, I always say I'm out, but it seems like I'm getting pulled back in.
	You never leave.
	You can try, but you can never leave.
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	Carl, what happened to you?
	You dropped off.
	You had a great call, and I wanted to get your call next, but It's going to have to be Greg.
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	I think it was the B block that he went over.
	Um, the next threat to the Jewish community.
	Um, No, he hasn't texted me back all day.
	Let's just give him till tonight.
	All right.
	Okay.
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	America first.
	Alrighty, call back.
	Good for Klaus.
	We've got a Greg and then Klaus.
	But first we're going to do some really super high-tech radio here.
	I haven't emailed the liner from the president yesterday, recorded at Mar-a-Lago.
	I'm just going to play it on my iPhone.
	Are we ready for this?
	Let's see if this works.
	It might.
	You never know.
	Hello, everybody.
	This is your favorite president, Donald J. Trump.
	And I want to let you know that I'm also a big fan of Sebastian.
	So I know you listen to him, and he's got a great audience, good ratings, and all of those things.
	But he has it because he's a very talented guy.
	He's an amazing man.
	So I just wanted to say that.
	And you're not wasting your time by listening to Sebastian Gorka.
	And this is not a paid commercial, but it's a commercial out of love and out of respect for a man that's really a great patriot.
	So enjoy the shows for many years to come, unless he happens to be going into government, which could happen.
	Thank you.
	That was unrehearsed.
	That was the president.
	So good.
	Thank you, sir.
	I will email it to you, Alex, I promise.
	Greg, Arizona, line three.
	Yeah, real quick, I was just going to make a little Smart Alec remark regarding the Big Bang Theory when everybody mentions that.
	Yes, all the scientists who talk about how the world was creating a Big Bang.
	What's your Smart Alec comment, Greg?
	Well, number one, it's, well, where's the second one?
	How come there was only one?
	Yeah!
	And usually I'll get a dumb look, but right now it's easier and more fun to say, oh wait, you must be President Trump with the second Big Bang.
	Anyway, and I also wanted to follow up on something from a couple of months ago.
	You've got to be quick.
	I've got to get to class.
	You've got 30 seconds.
	Digital currency, I asked you a few months back about what's going to happen to all the nasty people and the cash and everything else, and you said it was interesting.
	You were going to look into it.
	Yeah, I am.
	I'm concerned, and we're going to get an expert on for a whole hour, because it is concerning.
	I think Bitcoin is still a con.
	Blockchain isn't, but Bitcoin is.
	But digital currency is problematic.
	So stay tuned, Greg.
	Let's go to Klaus on the same topic of evolution and science and everything else.
	Line one.
	Happy Thanksgiving, Dr. G, to you, your family, and the crew.
	Your monologue in the first segment of this hour was like a mini sermon.
	It was so from the heart, and it just reminded me of the line from Moulin Rouge.
	Believe in truth, beauty, freedom, and above all, love.
	I love it.
	I'm not a fan of the movie but you nailed it my friend.
	It's about truth and beauty and of course love.
	Actually our friend, our friend Claven, Andrew Claven wrote a book on truth and beauty.
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	Come next up, the one, the only, one-on-one Sean Spicer.
	Thank you.
	But...uh...
	U.S. officials believe that it's, or are investigating that associates of President Trump communicated
	Yeah.
	with suspected Russian operatives to coordinate the release of information damaging to Hillary
	Clinton's campaign.
	I'm wondering if you can respond to that or say definitively that they did not do so.
	So let's actually look at what CNN reported.
	They reported that anonymous U.S.
	officials have told them that information indicates that association of the campaign and suspected operatives coordinated, which they admit is not conclusive of anything, is bordering on collusion.
	The last line of the thing said, quote, the FBI cannot yet prove that collusion took place.
	I think there's more, probably more evidence that CNN colluded with the Clinton campaign to give her debate questions than the Trump campaign.
	gave any kind of collusion.
	So I think when it comes down to that reporting, it is filled with a bunch of subjective terms about this person
	may have done this, possibly could have done that,
	and at the end of the story, if you wait to the very bottom, it says the FBI cannot yet prove the collusion could took
	place.
	So I have addressed this type of reporting in the past and this fits right in.
	That's how it's done, my friends, at the podium.
	You call them out as they're trying to smear the administration you represent and say, well, no, actually, if you want to talk about collusion, let's talk about collusion between CNN and the Hillary campaign.
	Who was that man?
	Of course, you know who it is.
	Sean Spicer, luckily not wearing that frilly green blouse today on our show.
	He is the former White House Press Secretary.
	He has his own show now, Sean Spicer.
	You can get it on YouTube, Rumble, your favorite podcast app.
	Subscribe today and follow him at Sean Spicer.
	Sean, welcome to a special edition of the Manhood Hour.
	Always good to be with you.
	Yeah, unfortunately the shirt's at the dry cleaner.
	I would have worn it if, uh, next time.
	Maybe, maybe they might lose it before you get it back.
	All right.
	So, uh, everybody knows you in America for, for you and that, that famous podium and, and maybe for, you know, your, your dancing with the stars.
	But I'm not sure everybody knows about your background.
	So can we talk a little bit about, because you have a fascinating combination of military service in the Navy and then really being an insider when it comes to conservative politics.
	So let's start with, you know, how did you get to that podium, Sean Spicer?
	Well, Seb, it's actually, I always tell people I feel like a minor league ballplayer.
	I went to college.
	My family was not political at all.
	I had been told we didn't come from a lot of money, and it was the latter half of the 1980s, and a teacher in high school said, hey, I know you're always concerned about money, and you know, if you really put your mind to it and went to school and studied Japanese, you could probably make a ton of money if you had like sort
	of a blended it with an economic degree.
	So I went to college, I studied Japanese for about a year and a half. I was told I was horrible at it.
	I really didn't like it to be honest with you, but I thought it was a means to an end.
	But I mean, I literally was getting a D with a circle around it, which meant,
	hey, you're showing up every day.
	We can tell you're trying, but you're not going to pass this class.
	And what was the logic your teacher thought that, you know, you could get into finance in Asia or what?
	Yeah, Japan was on the ascent.
	And the idea was, hey, if they had plenty of Japanese citizens that could speak English, there weren't a ton of Americans that were studying Japanese.
	And the idea was, hey, if you could Blend an economic degree with fluency in Japanese, that there would be a huge market on Wall Street.
	And I think there probably was.
	But I didn't like it.
	I hated it, to be frank.
	And I wasn't good at it either.
	And so I had taken a government course, kind of had a Intellectual awakening, kind of really, as you can imagine, most liberal arts colleges are very liberal in their philosophy, and especially in the role of government.
	And I sort of thought to myself, well, I really haven't thought about this before, but why is government the default answer?
	My dad had been a small business owner and a self-starter, and I kept thinking to myself, like, what's this reliance on the government?
	Why do we need the government to do this?
	And so I started volunteering on campaigns.
	I really loved the idea, and I think what I loved was this idea of a finite,
	it was like a sporting event, right?
	You have a finite amount of time to go out up until election day
	and to convince more people to vote for you than your opponent, to get them to mobilize,
	to volunteer, to donate, to vote.
	And I loved the idea because it was like, like I said, if you're playing soccer,
	you go out in the field, you got 90 minutes and your goal is to score more than the opponent.
	And that's it.
	Full stop.
	You know, yeah, sometimes you get a high five, but there's no, no one walks around and says, Hey, you guys had a great season because you only lost by one every time or something.
	And I love politics because you either win or you lose.
	There's no second place.
	So I started off, I would just say this, how I got to the podium, I was a small, I was like a minor league baseball player.
	I went from New Jersey to Florida, Rhode Island, Connecticut.
	I lived in an RV, somebody's attic.
	What are you doing with all these different moves?
	Is it campaign after campaign?
	Yeah, so campaign after campaign, mostly congressional races, trying to move up the ladder.
	Trying to get more experience, more expertise, more stature, more leadership.
	I managed my first race in 1996 in New Jersey.
	And we won that.
	And then I came back to Washington.
	I worked for a member of Congress from New Jersey, a different member.
	And then, as I said, I would just trade.
	I would literally figure out I got called by the NRCC, the National Republican Congressional Committee.
	And in the 2000 election, would I move to Florida for three months?
	To help an incumbent member who was in dire straits.
	I did that.
	We won that race by 386 votes.
	In fact, by the way, my first race in 1994, when it was the Contract with America, my candidate, Connecticut 2nd District, was one of the 10 people that signed the Contract with America.
	There were 10 planks.
	They had a couple incumbents, some open seats and some challengers.
	And we were one of the three, I think, challengers that signed the contract with America.
	Newt flew up, did an event for us.
	It was pretty cool.
	And we ended up losing that election on election night by two votes.
	It's in the books.
	There's a 21 vote loss.
	Two votes?
	Two votes.
	Two votes.
	I mean, you kill yourself when you sit there and look at voter rolls and say, Here's a guy that didn't vote.
	Here's a woman that didn't vote.
	This person should have been.
	I mean, it gives you nightmares.
	And then in the books, officially, after a quasi recount, because it was a joke, it's 21 votes in the record books.
	And then, as I said, 2000, I won by 386.
	Got noticed by the NRCC because they had literally said in that night, they said, hey, you really tried hard.
	You got this race really close.
	And I said, no, no, no, we're going to win.
	And they were like, dude, I get it.
	You know, you're going to win, right?
	Whatever.
	And we did.
	And then they asked me to come up and head up what they call incumbent retention.
	For the entire NRCC, which meant overseeing... Explain what the NRCC is and what the obligation it has.
	Yeah, there's three federal committees.
	The RNC, which is sort of the national party, that oversees, theoretically, the brand, focuses on presidential elections, etc.
	Then there's two federal committees, the NRSC, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, that oversees Senate elections.
	And the NRCC, which is the National Republican Congressional Committee, Which oversees house races to the US House.
	And so I was in charge of the wing.
	It's divided up in terms of the committee.
	Someone oversees all the incumbents, the ones that are currently in office in their re-election.
	Somebody focused on open seats and then somebody focused on challenger races.
	And I oversaw, I think it was 220 something incumbent races, because obviously not everybody's running for re-election.
	And we had one of the best years in history.
	And so I went from there, I went back to served in the house, house leadership, I was the communication instructor for the House Republican Conference, which is the third in line in leadership.
	And that's the messaging arm, right?
	So you got the majority leader, the minority leader, and then the conference.
	And the conference is sort of, you know, every time they were meeting for either McCarthy or then subsequently Mike Johnson, they would talk about there's a meeting.
	Well, that meeting is coordinated by the House Republican Conference.
	And there's a chair right now.
	It's Elise Stefanik.
	So I worked there and then I went to go work for George W. Bush as the Assistant U.S.
	Trade Rep.
	Which I always joked when I worked for Trump that I used to sell trade for Bush, and then when I worked for Trump, I had to tell everyone why what I said to you eight years ago was stupid.
	All right, follow the guy right now.
	He's got a brand new show.
	It's a lot of fun.
	I've been on it, and he asks the best questions.
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	Yeah, come in with Ryan.
	Condi Rice did not support this president.
	She did not go to the convention.
	She comes, what is on the agenda and how is their relationship?
	Has it healed since 2006 when he used a very negative word to describe it?
	So here's what I'll tell you.
	It's interesting that you ask those two questions back to back.
	On the one hand, you're saying, what are we doing to improve our image?
	And then here he is once again meeting somebody that hasn't been a big supporter of his.
	Hold on.
	April, hold on.
	It seems like you're hell-bent on trying to make sure that whatever image you want to tell about this White House stays.
	Because at the end of the day, let me answer...
	Okay, but you know what, you're asking me a question and I'm going to answer it, which is the president, I'm sorry, please stop shaking your head again, but at some point the reality is that this president continues to reach out to individuals who have supported him, who didn't support him, Republicans, Democrats, to try to bring the country together and move forward on an agenda that's going to help every American.
	Sean Spicer at the podium dealing with April Ryan, the person I had to debate last week at the Oxford Union.
	It shouldn't have to be a debate, it should be journalists doing their job and not fake news activists.
	We need him back at that podium.
	I don't know if he'd do it, but let's talk about the manliness of the current, well, the state of masculinity in our civilization with a man who ...has not only stood at the podium for the President, but also wears the cloth of the Republic.
	Sean, in your career summary, you didn't mention your military service.
	Tell us how you got involved in the Navy.
	How did that begin?
	So I'll give you the Cliffsdale version.
	Basically, I grew up in Rhode Island.
	It's a very Navy-centric state.
	My great-grandfather, William Spicer, was a Medal of Honor recipient.
	There's a lot of Navy around us, and I'd always wanted to do something, serve something bigger than myself.
	And I tried to join the Coast Guard a couple times.
	I love the water.
	My dad sold boats for a living.
	And and so I had always done it and then finally in my and it just never worked out timing wise because they would always say well if you got to give this many weeks and I had to work for a living and it just again it never timed out the way it was supposed to.
	So long story short is I found out about a program in my 20s that brought in public affairs officers to the Navy and at 29 years old I was commissioned as an officer as an ensign and I just completed my 25th year.
	So these are people who have prior credentials in public affairs in the civilian world, and then they're fast tracked in.
	Yeah, so the Navy has a program where they find skill sets that they need everything from cryptology to religious folks, to medical folks.
	I'm trying to think of a couple other but there are areas where they sort of look and say, the private sector has a lot of expertise that we could use.
	Intelligence is another one where they look at folks that have been in the Intel community.
	And they basically supply core is another I think.
	And public affairs is one of them where they look at people who have had a tremendous experience or a deep down amount of public experience in the private sector that the Navy could benefit from and sort of a reverse.
	You come in with a skill set and then they teach you how to be a good naval officer.
	So you go to school.
	Learn how to do all the Navy stuff, and then you go on your way.
	Let me jump straight to the question of, there was a story about your appointment, your presidential appointment to one of the boards of one of the military academies.
	I've witnessed with my affiliation, especially with the U.S.
	Army, the Increasing interference of politics into the military.
	How concerned are you that the original standards of what it means to be, you know, a man, to serve in uniform, to serve the nation, is being... and I don't want to get you in trouble because I know there are issues concerning, you know, your post and your service, but are you concerned that politics is getting involved in things it shouldn't be involved in, Sean?
	So there's two things that I would say, and again, anything I say is my personal opinion and not that of the Department of Defense or the Department of the Navy.
	I think there's a difference between politics and culture.
	And what I mean by that is, I don't ever feel like anybody's coming in And saying, you know, we've got to vote for President Biden or vote for some Democrat or any Republican.
	That's not it.
	I think what there might be is a cultural thing where we're losing focus on what it's all about, right?
	I saw a video a few months ago where somebody was featured and talking about why they joined the Navy and why they were proud.
	And they were talking about it in a very first person standpoint.
	I like this.
	I did that.
	I get this out of it.
	I benefited.
	And what I've always been told, especially as an officer, is that we grow up, as we grow up through the ranks, that it's about our sailors.
	It's about leading.
	It's about being part of a bigger cause that you are part of.
	I have people that I report to.
	I have, you know, a unit that I oversee.
	And that my goal, my number one priority is to take care of my sailors, to lead them, to make sure that they're taken care of, that they're ready on day one when asked to go to do a mission.
	And that I feel like sometimes we're, We're getting to the point where we're losing the leadership piece of this.
	And I'm not trying to make a blanket statement, but you're asking a question where I think the cultural piece of this comes in today, where they talk about, you know, I had a conversation with somebody about expectations.
	This is about a year and a half ago.
	And somebody said to me, this person said to me, well, I think you have to understand where young people are today.
	And I said, no, I don't.
	Uh, I don't like they need to understand this is the military.
	Our job is to be trained and ready to fight what our country calls us.
	And this idea that people are now saying, well, we like to work from home and we like to do this.
	I'm like, that's great.
	But the military isn't a social experiment.
	We're not here to tinker and to see what works.
	It's to be ready so that when anyone questions the United States, that we have that answer ready to go.
	And so I think that, you know, the answer to your question is I think that to some degree there's more of a cultural problem than there is a politics problem.
	But the cultural can affect all kinds of things like a spreader call, can't it?
	Oh yeah, 100%.
	And I'm not saying that the politics isn't upstream of it, but I think that I want to make sure I'm differentiating between the two.
	Right.
	That there's a difference.
	When politics infects someone, someone is being told, support this, this party or this person.
	That's, I don't see that ever happening ever in my experience.
	No one's coming in trying to make the case about anything.
	I will say that there are times when I think there is a shift in culture, how we, what we need to be doing as individuals, And I think, you know, I've always, the only thing I've ever cared about, and it's interesting, because we see a lot, there's, you know, this whole push for pronouns and all that kind of stuff.
	And, and you think about like an organization like the Navy, ranks are general neutral, captain, commander, ensign, lieutenant, there's no gender there.
	You think about how you address, you know, petty officer, first class, petty officer, second class, machinist mate, mass communication specialist, you know, it's, there's no gender.
	Right.
	In fact, it's meaning so it's it's it there's, there's, that's the thing.
	They're creating a problem where there wasn't a problem.
	Correct.
	And that's the thing is that there's no, there was not a problem.
	In fact, it's quite the opposite.
	You go into the military right now.
	And, you know, based on rank, and, and rate, it's not, it's not based on there's no, you know, Mrs. Commander or Mrs. Ensign or Mr. This.
	It's title.
	And I think that that's actually a great example.
	And the problem is, is then you see people saying, well, I still want to be addressed by he, she.
	It's like, what do you mean?
	You have a title.
	I don't need to even use your gender terms.
	Right.
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	All right, I think you mentioned a grandfather, Sean, who was a, it's not congressional, Medal of Honor.
	I hate it when people say congressional.
	It's not congressional.
	It's just a Medal of Honor winner.
	Who was most influential for you?
	In your understanding, what it means to serve, what it means to have manly virtues, was it your grandfather, your dad, was it a coach in school?
	It was always my dad.
	I mean, he taught me the value of a handshake, of your word, of getting it done right the first time.
	You know, it was always... He was one of those guys that always had a lesson to teach you.
	And...
	You know, getting it, doing it right the first time, you know, measure twice, cut once.
	But he, the thing that was always interesting about him is, you know, he always had time for other people.
	And later in life, that's what I would hear the most is, you know, at this one point, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	But your dad came out and helped me one day when I knew that he didn't have the time either and blah, blah, blah.
	And, you know, we didn't have a lot of money.
	But I'll tell you, I've come to realize that the word rich depends on what you value.
	And if you value money, then no, I wasn't rich.
	If you value somebody who's going to sit down at dinner every night and talk to you about your day and instill lessons, then I was very rich.
	And give me some other adjectives.
	When you think about the values that you saw and you said, I want to be like that, what kind of adjectives described your father?
	I think integrity, hard work, commitment.
	You know, like I said, he was one of those guys that when you started a project, he'd say, okay, we're going to finish it.
	And you, you, you didn't get to just welch out because you were like, ah, you know, I'm tired or it's been a while.
	And there was a, you know, everything from raking the leaves to washing the car.
	You know, I'd come out once in a while and he'd look at me and say, some spots there.
	And I'd say, yep.
	And he'd go, all right, we're doing it again.
	And his, you know, his point to me was, you either do it right the first time, or you're going to do it again.
	And it's a lot quicker to just do it right the first time.
	And he was also a person that was strong on commitment.
	If you said to somebody that you're going to do something on a Saturday, or, you know, whatever it was, he'd say, all right, you made a commitment, you're going, you know, and the value... So a hard taskmaster?
	No, it wasn't like, but it was more like, There was nothing that I did that I couldn't do, right?
	It wasn't like, hey, rake the leaves with one hand tied behind your back.
	But he gave you tasks.
	He expected you to complete them and complete them well.
	He believed in the value of a dollar.
	If I wanted money, I had to earn it.
	And that wasn't usually through allowances.
	It was, hey, if you want this, you know, OK, go wash other people's cars.
	Go rake their leaves.
	I sold greeting cards.
	I sold birthday cakes.
	I bought this mechanism and fixed skis or the bottom skis and waxed them and everything.
	I mean, my dad's view was, you know, there's a value to a dollar and you've got to learn it.
	You've got to understand it.
	I mean, I paid for my gas and my insurance as a kid in the car.
	His view was, you know, you want to drive, there's some responsibility that comes with that.
	And do you think that America, that value system still exists despite all the assaults on what they call toxic masculinity?
	I think it exists.
	It doesn't exist as prevalent.
	And the lack of father figures in particular, but I had this discussion with somebody in the last couple of days where My kids don't have a phone yet, and they're not on social media.
	I mean, at some point soon they will, because we recognize there's a safety aspect to this.
	But I'll be talking to parents and they'll say to me, oh my God, I can't believe.
	The phone and my kid, he can't let it down, and the stuff that he's seeing on social media.
	And I'm like, you do know that you're part of this equation.
	It's your phone.
	You've allowed them to do this.
	And they bemoan it as if they didn't have a choice.
	And they're like, oh my God, I wish we had done that.
	Right.
	And I'm like, you can still do it.
	Too many parents, I don't know what it is these days, forget that they're still part of the equation.
	That they're driving the train.
	And they're responsible, I hate to say this, for some of the problems.
	I mean, the kids now, I get in the car when I do carpool or whatever and I'll say, like, alright, no phones, everything's down.
	Like, we're going to talk to each other.
	And I just, I feel like the lessons of interaction and having a conversation and Looking somebody in the eye are starting to dissipate.
	And that's concerning to me as a society where things go.
	And then I watch videos on social media.
	There was one the other day with these kids.
	And the parents are standing behind them.
	And I assume they're prop guns.
	But these kids are running around with guns.
	And I'm thinking to myself, what are you teaching them?
	Like I want to teach my kid to be a responsible gun owner.
	We've taken him to the range.
	He's been certified by the NRA.
	But I want them to understand the value and the responsibility that goes along with certain things, not that things are toys and that life is devalued.
	And so anyway, I think that the lessons that I think a lot of us were taught a generation ago are starting to slide.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm going to ask you what those lessons are that we need to inculcate into the next generation.
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	Come in with Vivek, please.
	Let's speak the truth.
	I mean, since Ronna McDaniel took over as chairwoman of the RNC in 2017, we have lost 2018, 2020, 2022, no red wave that never came.
	We got trounced last night in 2023.
	And I think that we have to have accountability in our party.
	For that matter, Ron, if you want to come on stage tonight, you want to look the GOP voters in the eye and tell them you resign, I will turn over my, yield my time to you.
	Probably the hottest moment from the last presidential GOP debate.
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	Sean, I think it was maybe a year ago we had a discussion about The GOP and how conservatives shouldn't give any quarter to the mainstream media.
	Then we had discussions about why are they having CNN or MSNBC or any other mainstream media organ involved in hosting the debates.
	I think the answer to why it happens is cowardice and wanting to be loved by those who hate you.
	Vivek doesn't suffer from that because he's not part of the political machine.
	Is a lack of cowardice one of the biggest problems, not just for our society, but also for our side of the political aisle, Sean?
	Yeah, there's something to that.
	By the way, I had Vivek on the show just the other day.
	If you go watch that episode, he came out really hard on kind of expands on the clip that you just played.
	So if you just go to my YouTube page, you can search it up and and check out his comments there.
	But I think that that there's a laziness, too.
	Right.
	So, for example, I don't know why the RNC allowed NBC to host a debate.
	Why did they partner with Univision?
	What is going on that anyone thought that was a good idea?
	I don't get it.
	And I've said this before.
	I mean, you have, I know Salem.
	I thought, by the way, just for the record, I tweeted this out.
	I thought the best questions were from Hugh Hewitt of the Salem Network, Salem Radio Network.
	He was asking spot-on questions.
	They made people think.
	I learned a lot by the answers in terms of how they, the size of the Navy that they proposed and the strategy.
	It wasn't just about the number.
	I loved how Hugh framed that question because to me, I thought actually, I'll be blunt, I thought Chris Christie answered the question best because He explained why it made sense to go with the sub-force first in terms of the threat that Taiwan, but I digress.
	The point was, these are the kind of questions, immigration, our military vis-a-vis Taiwan, that make sense, that got us thinking, that made us learn about stuff.
	The RNC partnering with NBC News was a joke.
	The emergency partnering with Univision, a joke.
	And I think there is a bit of accountability.
	Why are we not asking?
	Why not The Daily Wire?
	I know Salem was part of one, and that was a great piece of it.
	What about The Daily Wire, The Blaze, The First?
	I mean, there are a lot of good media organizations out there that could host a debate.
	And frankly, my whole thing has always been, why don't you just put them on the stage broadcasting on C-SPAN and let any organization stream it for free?
	But there isn't an accountability.
	For a variety of reasons and I think that's the problem.
	I want to say something a little bit personal now because I remember one of the sweetest moments of my time in the White House was going in on a Saturday morning.
	I think I had some friends from out of town or maybe I took my kids in for a little tour and you were there with your son.
	You were in, you know, I think you're in shorts and a golf shirt and you were working.
	Never in shorts.
	Never in shorts.
	All right, a golf shirt.
	You're wearing a golf shirt with your young... I think your young son was drawing and you were working.
	The rest of the West Wing was empty.
	One thing I find remarkable about you, Sean, is of all the people outside of the President who I think, you know, landed from another planet because he's just impervious, you have the best... You're like made of rubber.
	Stuff just bounces off you.
	You know, you're a fighter.
	I mean, I'm a fighter, but you know my reputation, you know, I'm the pugilist, I'm the, you know, the scary guy.
	Jesse Watters called me the scariest guy on television.
	You're the fun guy, and you never seem to let stuff grind you down, even though they, they're scum.
	The way they treat you, the president, me, they're all scum, the mainstream media.
	What is special about Sean Spicer that You maintain this light touch.
	You're serious about the country.
	You're serious about the mission.
	But you don't let the BS grind you down, and you maintain a light touch.
	Have you ever self-analyzed why that is?
	Well, I appreciate the kind words.
	I'm not entirely sure it's true.
	I think sometimes you put on a good face.
	Because you realize that... I mean, there's an aspect of it, too.
	Like, I don't... One, I'd say I know who I care about.
	And I really don't care what people outside, you know, in the mainstream media, the legacy media, the left-wing media think.
	I really don't.
	I know who matters to me in my life in terms of my family, my friends, and what ultimately God will judge me on.
	That's it.
	And that's all you should care about, frankly.
	And I think too many people, and I would put this on a lot of Republicans too.
	Part of the problem with our party and our movement is that Too many people want to be their buddies and think if I only bash Trump one time, if I only sell out a few more times, that I'll be liked and that they will accept me and I'll go to the White House Correspondents Dinner and I'll go to the parties and I'll be listed as, you know, one of the cool people that got invited to some shindig.
	Right.
	If that's what you want, that's great.
	But you're not a real movement conservative then because you can't have both.
	And I think part of my part of to answer your question, Seb, is that I realized that I What mattered?
	And who mattered?
	And once you figure that out, and I'm not saying just for the record, I can't say that I'm not, I'm not perfect because there was a time when I thought, wow, this is really cool.
	I mean, this is, you know, I, we went through my career, but for a while I did, there was some cool events and some things I thought, wow, this is great.
	How awesome would it be to get invited to this or do that?
	And after some time, I realized that those aren't your friends.
	Those aren't people that I like.
	Those aren't people that, I want my kids to like.
	Yeah.
	And so once you kind of center yourself and get a true north, you realize that, like, I get it.
	I mean, I'm not saying I haven't been to a couple of White House Correspondents Dinners, but I also realize I won't go again.
	Yeah.
	I don't know why people think it's fun to hang around with a group of people that hate you, want to bash you, mock the people that you like and work with.
	Yeah.
	But I think it's they want to say that they saw some celebrity.
	So I think that's part of it is that I knew what I cared about what I didn't.
	And, you know, but it wasn't it's not completely like, doesn't sting hit once in a while.
	And I think part of it is, when you're in the job the way I was, you realize that no one cares either.
	I mean, you take it.
	And no one's like, Oh, well, how are you feeling today?
	Are you okay?
	You know, let me let me give you a lollipop.
	It's not how that works.
	You know that you're going into battle every day.
	Yeah.
	And that's part of the price of taking the job.
	Now, it's part of the price of taking the job under Donald Trump.
	I mean, if you're Corinne Jean-Pierre or Jen Psaki, you do get that lollipop every day.
	So I think part of this was just understanding what mattered and who mattered.
	Look, he may not be the most popular person for your show, but John Boehner used to have a saying back in the day when I was on the Hill.
	He'd say, if you do the right things for the right reasons, good things will happen.
	And I truly believe that if that's how you live your life, you do the right things for the right reasons, good things will happen.
	It's a great saying.
	I don't think John Boehner followed it himself, but I've written down the tagline, and I love it.
	What really matters and work out the people who matter and that's your guiding star.
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	All right.
	We've only got a few minutes left.
	We'll go back to that Saturday morning when I bumped into you with your young son working in the in the press office there.
	We need more Sean Spicers.
	We need more people who understand the values that your father transmitted to you.
	So, on a short list of a curriculum for the young men in America, the 12-year-olds, the 14-year-olds, the 10-year-olds, what is the minimum that we have to teach them so we can claw back a little bit of the America we need more of?
	What kinds of things do we need to instill in them, Sean?
	I think there needs to be a sense of value of what's important in life, kind of through the conversation that we're having.
	I think too often kids right now talk about how many subscribers they have to their social media channels, or how many views something got.
	And I think part of this is to remind them what matters in life.
	A buddy that I worked with on the Trump campaign in 2015 passed away today, a guy named Rick Ahern.
	He, I was reading the tributes that people left on different sites today.
	And I want to die like Rick Ahern.
	I want people, the comments were just amazing.
	How hardworking he was.
	What a nice person he was to interact with.
	How many, how he set somebody straight.
	He gave them a chance.
	He did this, he did that.
	I want people to say that.
	And I think that part of it is to make sure that, you know, I stop and put my son inside every once in a while and I say, Hey, Do you see that incidence over there?
	Wow, that was really nice what that person did.
	And do you know why?
	Instilling those lessons and taking the time, or I'll say the opposite.
	I saw a story on the news the other day where these young men behaved very poorly.
	And I stopped and I said to my son, hey, did you see this story?
	And he said, yeah.
	And I said, do you understand how that would have felt to be on the other side of that story and why this was wrong?
	And he was like, yep.
	But that's kind of what my dad did.
	And it's stopping to take the time to realize That the set of values that you instill are, and it goes back to the story I was saying about the phones, that too many parents are just outsourcing a lot of these ideas.
	And it's like if they're looking, your kids are looking at you.
	When I was a kid, I was afraid to get in trouble because I didn't want to, I tell this all the time, it was because I didn't want to disappoint my parents.
	Yes.
	Not because they were going to do anything, but they had set an expectation of right and wrong, good and bad.
	What it meant to work hard.
	The value of a dollar.
	I didn't wanna get a D, not because I was gonna say I look stupid, but because I knew they worked hard to get me the opportunity to go do certain things, and I didn't want them to think I didn't value what they had offered me.
	So we've gotta do that.
	That's what a dad does.
	That's what a mentor does.
	And we've gotta make sure that we take the time to realize that those lessons matter.
	Those times when you pull somebody aside and say, Hey, can we, let's go have lunch.
	I want to talk to you about that project that you did.
	I want to talk to you about that interaction that just occurred.
	But if you don't have them, somebody else is going to.
	And that's the problem is that right now when something happens and you watch two people react and somebody says, that was no big deal.
	And you look and go, wow, that person's hurt over there.
	And you don't care.
	And they go, Oh, who cares?
	They'll get over it.
	You realize that that person reacted that way because they didn't have a set of values that thought that that interaction mattered, and that's wrong.
	He has a really enjoyable new show.
	I can tell you it's one of the few interviews where I talked about things I haven't discussed with anybody else.
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