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	Thank you for joining us on America First with today's very special guest host, Cleveland's own Bob France.
	Dr. G, thank you so much for the honor of sitting in on America First once again.
	What a phenomenal audience that you have assembled over the course of these years on this show.
	It's really a privilege and a pleasure to talk to them.
	I love doing shows, and I say the same thing in a couple of other locations only, one of which is Dennis Prager.
	I love doing radio shows when I have audiences who can teach me, oftentimes, as much as I can teach them.
	They bring things to my attention I did not know.
	They give me history lessons I didn't know.
	Maybe science information I did not know.
	When I can get something out of somebody, rather, as much as I can give to them, it's a great way to do radio.
	So I love this audience and I appreciate the opportunity to be here.
	We have a huge show lined up for you on this Friday edition of America First.
	What a guest list.
	Coming up here in about 10, 12, 13 minutes, we're going to talk to Daniel Horowitz, senior editor at Conservative Review and host at Blaze Media.
	Daniel is all over the Middle East.
	Daniel is all over the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
	Daniel is all over American campuses that continue to host and promote and encourage
	pro-terrorist rallies and anti-Semitic, anti-Israel rallies all over this country.
	They're cheerleaders for terrorists now on college campuses.
	It's beyond what it ever has been before.
	Daniel is going to tell us all about that.
	In the four o'clock hour, that's Eastern, of course, in the second hour, wherever you're
	listening, we're going to talk to James Carfano, of course, senior counsel to the President,
	Heritage Foundation.
	We're going to get his take on everything that's happening and whether or not we're
	being dragged into what might become World War III.
	When you think about theater, war theaters in three, four different global locations, we literally are talking about the potential of World War Three.
	We're going to talk to that.
	Talk to Mr. Carafano about that.
	We're going to talk to John Arlott Jr.
	as it is a Friday, Second Amendment Friday.
	That'll be coming up.
	And then in the last hour, you're going to want to be here.
	for Robert Spencer.
	Robert Spencer is one of the most reviled men in media, academia, literature, research in the Muslim community.
	The Muslim Brotherhood hates Robert Spencer.
	He is one of the founders of Jihad Watch.
	And he is, again, all over what's going on in Israel with the conflict, with the wars, and so on and so forth.
	And I say wars plurally because the Israelis are going to be fighting wars on a couple of different fronts, maybe three, depending on what happens from the West Bank and what Iran chooses to do directly, as opposed to through their proxies of Hamas and Hezbollah.
	So we are going to talk about all of that with all of those wonderful people today.
	But we're going to start right now.
	If I could cue it up myself, I would play for you the Benny Hill theme music.
	I referenced it yesterday on America First.
	I will echo it right now.
	The Republican conference in the House of Representatives seriously resembles the last 60 seconds of every Benny Hill show you ever saw.
	If you're old enough to have seen that and remember that, that's what it looks like.
	Now, today, after the third vote, The third vote to try and confirm a speaker to get to two.
	They didn't even need 217 today because of attendance and no votes and so forth.
	Or I'm sorry and holdout and not holdouts.
	What am I trying to say?
	Present votes.
	He only needed 214.
	He lost more seats or more votes today than he did in round number two.
	Jim Jordan is not going to be the next Speaker of the House of Representatives.
	A little bit after that third round of voting went south and 25, it started out where I believe he had 19, I think it was, holdouts in the first round.
	It was 22 in the second round.
	Now it's up to 25.
	Fewer and fewer members are voting for Jim Jordan.
	So shortly after round number three today, if you did not hear the news already, let me break it to you.
	Jim Jordan was removed as Speaker-designee from the Republican conference.
	They had a secret vote, apparently.
	I didn't know they did those things, and I don't know how secret it is, but it was announced immediately afterward that Jim Jordan is no longer the Speaker-designee there, starting from scratch.
	So why do I call this the Benny Hill Show?
	Because this is literally one group of people chasing one guy and then turning around and that guy chasing those people and then another group gets in and chases.
	It's just, I would call it herding chickens or herding cats and that's, those things are way more organized than the House Republican Caucus is.
	It is, and by the way, imagine all of those chase scenes that I just told you about, if you don't know what Benny Hill is, sped up on your video three, four, five times, so it looks like everybody is running when they're walking.
	It's just, it's silliness, and it is unnecessary chaos.
	I know about chaos theory.
	And I know a lot of people in this audience, I heard Seb talk about it himself, I know the team, you know, nothing wrong with a little bit of chaos, nothing wrong with a little bit of shaking things up, but this This is disastrous for the Republican brand.
	It's disastrous for the Repub- I said this yesterday, as the world burns, they're not fiddling, they're chasing one another around.
	This guy's mad at that guy, who's mad at that guy, who's taking it out on that guy.
	There are McCarthy supporters who are so mad at Matt Gaetz, they're going to take it out on Jim Jordan.
	There are Jordan supporters who were so mad at Kevin McCarthy, they were going to take it out on his buddy Steve Scalise.
	The whole thing has just become a blank show, which is exactly why you cannot do, and I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but you cannot do what Matt Gaetz did without having a plan B. If Matt Gaetz wanted to invoke the single-member motion to vacate, which of course he had the right to do, he negotiated that in, in order to get the votes that Kevin McCarthy needed to get this gavel back in January.
	If he chooses to invoke that, which he did, And said, I am invoking the motion to vacate and I want to remove Kevin McCarthy because, and he doesn't have to say this out loud, but secure this and share this and get the support of the rest of the conference or the overwhelming majority that you need, the 217, and say, I want to replace him with this guy.
	And so there's a planned succession there and it's been pre-approved and agreed upon And so forth.
	That's a different story.
	But when you say, motion to vacate, I just want to get rid of that guy, the speaker, and replace him with anybody.
	Whatever happens, happens.
	Whatever chaotic thing happens, happens.
	That is just completely indulging your own ego at the expense of the party, at the expense of the conference, at the expense of the House of Representatives, at the expense of we, the people.
	It is a disaster.
	I want you to watch it.
	I don't usually do a lot of video and audio clips in the opening monologue.
	I'm changing that for today, though.
	I want you to watch and listen to this, depending on how you are absorbing America First today.
	I want you to listen to this clip of Matt Gaetz being questioned by a reporter.
	Question by a reporter about what he's going to do if Jim Jordan doesn't get the gavel.
	I mean, Matt Gaetz clearly did not want somebody like Kevin McCarthy to have the gavel.
	He's too moderate.
	He's too squishy.
	He didn't keep his promises.
	I want somebody like Jim Jordan.
	Well, what if you don't get Jim Jordan?
	Listen to what their response is, and then I want to get your response to that as we go on this afternoon.
	But let's listen to that clip.
	You may not get Jim Jordan as Speaker.
	You may get someone more moderate.
	What did you actually get for leading this charge to push out Kevin McCarthy?
	We're shaking up Washington, D.C.
	We're breaking the fever.
	And you know what?
	It's messy.
	But the only reason people think there's chaos in this town right now is because the special interests aren't in control anymore.
	So I think we're going to have an upgrade at the position of Speaker of the House.
	For me, it was never about any one person.
	It was about ensuring that we got an upgrade at the position.
	Kevin McCarthy had failed us.
	He'd made multiple contradictory promises.
	We weren't really governing under McCarthy.
	Everybody's making this big deal out of the fact that we've burnt the equivalent of four legislative days on all of this.
	But I mean, we've spent like seven legislative days on post offices and procedural votes, for goodness sakes.
	This is what it's supposed to be.
	And it's not clean, and it's not orderly, and the lobbyists and the special interests hate it, but I don't seem to mind too much.
	Well, it's not only not clean and not orderly, it's not effective.
	Because the reporter was right.
	Matt Gaetz, the reporter, was right.
	He said, what if you don't get Jim Jordan?
	What if you get somebody who's more moderate and more squishy than Kevin McCarthy?
	And his answer was, doesn't matter, we have to upgrade the position.
	How do you know you're going to upgrade the position?
	And there's the music.
	That's exactly how it looks and sounds right now in the Republican conference.
	We're going to talk to Daniel Horowitz next.
	Stay here.
	I'm Bob Francin for Dr. G on America First.
	Thanks for watching.
	you you
	I I'm Seb Gawker.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	All right, 20 minutes past the hour.
	Welcome to America First.
	Indeed, I come to you live from the ReliefFactor.com studios here in Cleveland, Ohio of AM 1420.
	The Answer.
	I want to welcome a good friend of my show for many, many years, actually, in Cleveland.
	It's good to talk to him on America First with Dr. G. And I'm talking about senior editor at Conservative Review and broadcaster and reporter and commentator and everything else for Blaze Media as well.
	We're talking about Daniel Horowitz.
	Daniel, good to talk to you again, my friend.
	How are you, sir?
	Hey, great to be with you, Bob.
	It's been so long.
	Yeah, it really has been.
	There's so much grist for the mill here, too.
	I want to talk about Israel.
	I want to talk about what's going on on our college campuses.
	You've been writing about that, but I also want to address the most recent development here, which is the Republican conference continues to chase its own tail.
	They don't know what they're going to do now.
	They didn't want Scalise.
	Now they don't want Jordan.
	They have removed him.
	Look, I think a lot of people are viewing this wrong.
	to do the let's make McHenry the Speaker pro tem for you know the rest of the
	year and into January 3rd they can't do that. Daniel Horowitz what are they gonna
	do? Look I think a lot of people are viewing this wrong a lot of people are
	viewing this as a display of dysfunction and it certainly does look dysfunctional.
	It's really not.
	It's a fact that there are values here that cannot be bridged.
	There is a divide that you cannot bridge.
	The difference between, let's say, a Freedom Caucus guy and many others, these appropriators, establishment types, That is a greater gulf than the difference between an R and a D. So that's what we're seeing here.
	It's not so much dysfunction, it's that you have two different parties within the same party.
	As you well know, and I've been on your Cleveland show for so many years, we're talking about primaries.
	I've even tried to primary some Ohio Rhinos, and you know, it hasn't worked.
	And these guys keep winning.
	And therein lies the problem that There are more elected Republicans, even in the House, which is more conservative than Senate Republicans, that do not share the values of your listeners than those who do.
	And that's why they just had that affirmation vote, and Jordan lost it, because it's not just, oh, you know, 20 people.
	It was really a majority of them did not support him.
	So to me, there's two options.
	The Freedom Caucus breaks off and starts a Freedom Party.
	And maybe use the GOP for ballot access, but you have kind of your own line of candidates, and you start just making this a permanent thing and turn it into a quasi-parliamentarian system.
	Or they're going to have to get someone, and I don't want to jump out ahead and float a name because there are a few people, but someone that is on paper a little bit more of an establishment guy, but is someone that we can work with on the right so he'll get their votes.
	But it's kind of like the McCarthy power sharing agreement from January, but to fill in some of those gaps where things went wrong.
	Interesting theory.
	And it's too bad you said what you just said.
	I was going to ask you to float her name.
	You don't want to do that.
	Because I mean, everybody is wondering now.
	I mean, I don't know if anybody, you know, who's in the, you know, in the Freedom Caucus or the conservative wing of the party is ever going to get enough people to coalesce around him.
	But of course, the conservatives are not going to go for another McCarthy.
	Look at why we are where we are.
	They didn't want to do that with Steve Scalise.
	So if it's not a moderate and it's not a conservative, who is it?
	Who is able to bridge the gap between two parties within a party, as you say?
	No, and therein lies the rub.
	I'll give you an example, and again, I don't want to quote him as necessarily the best name, because there might be some better ones, but a lot of Freedom Caucus people secretly like Tom Emmer.
	And on the surface, Tom Emmer is a member of the Main Street Partnership.
	He voted for gay marriage.
	He's certainly not of that ilk, but the thing about him is that there's two qualities he has.
	Number one, he's really helped conservatives in a lot of things.
	It's very amendable.
	They have a great relationship with him.
	And number two, if you remember, as much dysfunction as we saw, Republicans have a very slim majority.
	And when McCarthy was giving conservatives the votes they wanted, like on H.R.
	2, the border bill, and a couple of appropriation bills, Tom Emmer is the current whip.
	That's the vote counter.
	And he really, I mean, he got all the rhinos on board with stuff that they really didn't like.
	And he really dutifully did it.
	And again, my understanding from some of my friends who were kind of at that right goal post at the other end, were very appreciative of him and thought that that's a quality.
	It's not just that he's amenable to our stuff, but also that he did show the ability to really keep the conference together.
	So that might be an option.
	One more question on this before we get to Israel.
	That's very interesting what you just said.
	A reporter asked Matt Gaetz yesterday, what if you don't get Jim Jordan as speaker?
	What if you get somebody who's more moderate and squishy than Kevin McCarthy is?
	Was this worth all of this?
	He said yes, because we're shaking up Washington.
	Would you say if we get a McCarthy-lite or another McCarthy-ish speaker that it was the juice worth the squeeze here?
	No, it's not.
	And this is a long discussion.
	I have supported every single speaker's site, three under Boehner and the original one in January.
	I did not support this one, but once it was done, you know, we wanted to get the best outcome.
	Right.
	16 of the, just so you know, 16 of the 21 original guys from the rebellion in January
	did not join it.
	I think a lot of us had the sentiment of Lauren Boebert.
	If you remember on the House floor with that McCarthy vote a couple weeks ago, she said, McCarthy for now.
	And in other words, the point was, the plan that we were supporting was that right now, Matt Gaetz, he's got some qualities to him, but he's also got some baggage and the conference does not respect him and viewed it that it was all personal.
	And we felt that we had a gun to McCarthy's head, that we wanted to make a specific demand for the budget, and either we get that, which is more important than any, you know, person, you want the outcome, or if he would betray that, we would have had a broader coalition to go in, kind of like the Gulf War coalition rather than the, you know, Bush 2003 coalition Iraq, you know, broader coalition.
	And this, this was very narrow, It was very much driven by Matt Gaetz, and it kicked off, as much as I don't like some of those guys, but you got to deal with them.
	They have the votes.
	And they were not about to allow you to down their people, down Scalise, and then, oh, we'll give you your guy.
	No, I mean, they weren't going to block him.
	So we felt strategically it wasn't good.
	And again, 16 of the 21, Who joined originally did not join, and three of the ones who didn't back then were new, like Nancy Mace and Ken Buck, who are kind of odd, had very odd idiosyncratic reasons for joining.
	Um, you know, there were a couple of them.
	I'm dear friends with Andy Biggs.
	I respect him a lot.
	So he was sincere about it, and he, you know, joined Gates.
	But I just felt strategically it was not the right move, and I literally predicted this.
	But nonetheless, I don't want to dump on it, and now it's just You've got to get the best outcome, and I'm just telling you, at this point, they're not going to agree to a Freedom Caucus guy.
	They're just not.
	Just one more thing.
	Here's the thing.
	In some way, it might be better to get a guy like Tom Emmer that would be hostage to us than one of our guys who would be hostage to them.
	It's almost like I don't know if you saw Jordan started negotiating, I'll give you this, I'll give you that.
	He would have had to basically have the reverse McCarthy, if you know what I mean, where it's the Rhino Caucus that gets the seat, all the seats on the Rules Committee and all the commitments on the way the House is run.
	But then, you know, it would be our guy, so we would have no leverage to complain about it, fight against it.
	Yeah, I do get what you mean, Daniel.
	We've got a break here coming.
	I want to talk with you about Israel and the conflict coming up here in just a moment, but thank you for your thoughts on that.
	that Daniel Horowitz, senior editor at Conservative Review and at Blaze Media, will continue with
	him right after this on America First.
	Thanks for watching.
	And I'll see you next time.
	Bye.
	you you
	you I'm Seb Gawker.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	All right, Dr. G, let's do exactly that.
	27 minutes in front of the hour, and we are joined once again by Daniel Horowitz, senior editor at Conservative Review.
	He does a podcast for them as well.
	He's on Blaze Media.
	And Daniel, great analysis of the speaker's race, mess that it is.
	Let's talk about the bigger mess that is.
	Uh, the situation in Israel.
	Last night, I watched Joe Biden, and I got a sense, and I said this out loud to my wife, I said it to my radio audience this morning, and I'll say it now on America First.
	Joe Biden just used the bodies of dead Jews to get more money for Volodymyr Zelensky in Ukraine.
	He used the tragedy and the horror and the trauma and everything else that happened in Israel, and it is happening right now, to get more money, looking for $60 billion.
	If he would have asked for that as a standalone for Ukraine, it would have been met with massive pushback in a lot of places.
	So he tied Putin with Hamas, you know.
	Terrorists here and tyrants there and we got to push back against both of them So let's get a big hundred billion dollar package for all of them I feel like he used the carnage of the Jews to help his his agenda with Ukraine.
	What did you think?
	So Bob you're right.
	That's definitely true, but it's worse than that.
	See Ukraine is just a grist So that's that's one level where we're bankrupt.
	So, you know, what's another 60 billion of monopoly money, but what's worse is is That he is giving money to the very people who did this!
	So, he talks about the 100 million, but then there's another 7 billion humanitarian aid.
	Now, see, they have a very sophisticated software where you kind of, like, cluster bomb in aid to Gaza, and it magically goes to poor people.
	And not to the Hamas war effort, you know, because Hamas doesn't control anything there.
	They're just kind of in a corner doing their business.
	You have the civilians there.
	I mean, this is unreal.
	See, I thought... I mean, a lot of us just emotionally still can't even wrap our arms around this.
	I'm just reading.
	Right now, stuff comes out.
	This American woman who came over from the UK Daily Mail, who's a forensic, you know, someone who's dealing with the forensics to bury the dead.
	There's evidence of mass rape so brutal that they broke their victims' pelvises, women, grandmothers, children.
	I volunteered to prepare the bodies of murdered women to give them the respect they deserve.
	I'm a mother from New Jersey.
	I moved to Israel 20 years ago.
	I'm a normal person.
	I've never expected to be confronted with what I've seen.
	So I thought, it's like, normally, yeah, you got the suicide bombers, you got the rockets.
	But I mean, this is like, it's, first of all, it's the equivalent of $40,000 to scale to the American population's debt.
	And then the way they were killed.
	So I thought this would take maybe two, three weeks to get back to the Palestinians and the Gaza civilians, you know, like we've seen our whole life.
	But this was like two, three days.
	And the priority of this administration, he goes to Israel.
	There is almost no mention about the American hostages.
	No demand from Qatar to Qatar better hand over the Hamas leaders who are living in five star resorts there.
	Tony Blinken, the Secretary of State, was there last Friday in Doha and wouldn't ask for it.
	No mention of, obviously, that it's still going on.
	It's not even like they're still trying to infiltrate.
	They're still firing rockets.
	And it's all about Gaza.
	I mean, you've got to be kidding me.
	And again, it's worse than that.
	Notice Israel hasn't done much yet.
	A lot of noise.
	Oh, did we just lose the feed with Daniel Horowitz?
	I think we lost his phone.
	Yeah, sometimes that happens, obviously, in the age that we are in with cell phones.
	So we lost him.
	We're going to try.
	It's OK, because you know what?
	We have only a minute or so left in this segment.
	And what we're going to do is try to get him back on the line for the next segments.
	We can have him for just a little bit more, because he's just touching on the reality that we discussed on this program yesterday.
	And I know Seb was, Dr. G, earlier in the week, too, how quickly The world and the media flipped their concern, their empathy and their compassion for the victims on October 7th in Israel to, oh my gosh, we have to be concerned about the potential victims of the retaliation and the self-defense of the Israelis on the Palestinian population in Gaza.
	Suddenly, I mean, it was just like flipping a switch.
	There was, like, no time whatsoever.
	We went from compassion for the dead Jews, and the savage, marauding Hamas terrorists, you know, got all of the scorn that they deserved, and then quickly, I mean, just in a blink of an eye, it's, no, we have to worry about these potential victims of the Palestinian population in Gaza.
	They're not all like Hamas.
	My rear end, I was talking to Ryan Morrow earlier today, who's a Middle East expert as well, and Ryan was talking about the surveys.
	Over 50% of Palestinians support Hamas.
	Over 75% support the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror group.
	Multiple terror groups in Gaza, on the Gaza Strip, who support Hamas and Islamic Jihad terror groups.
	To me, there is no more room for distinction between the Palestinian people and the terrorists.
	If the people support the terrorists, then they are the terrorists.
	That's the one thing I'll go back to George W. Bush and say that was right.
	You're either with us or you're against us.
	And if you support the terrorists, we will treat you as terrorists.
	I agree with that vantage point.
	So we'll reconnect with Daniel Horowitz.
	We'll continue that part of the conversation right after this on America First.
	Thanks for watching.
	You You
	You ...
	you I'm Seb Gawker.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob Franz.
	All right, thanks Dr. G. Live in Cleveland, Ohio, the ReliefFactor.com studios, AM 1420, The Answer.
	We continue now with Daniel Horowitz.
	We found a better connection for him.
	And Daniel is a senior editor at Conservative Review.
	He's also with Blaze Media.
	And you wrote a piece a couple of days ago, Daniel.
	Maybe it was last week, actually.
	It's been a while now.
	It's hard to believe how much time has passed since October 7th.
	Talking about the cheerleading on college campuses in favor of Hamas, in favor of terrorism
	and against Israel.
	The demonization.
	You know, it's funny, on the left they've been complaining about victim shaming for
	so long.
	The ultimate victims here are 1,400 dead men, women and children.
	200-plus hostages taken.
	An unknown number of rapes, tortures and so forth.
	And yet it's Israel's fault.
	They did it because they took the land from Palestinians.
	And apparently that's all it takes for college campuses to not only allow, but encourage and help organize, and in some cases, faculty participating in the pro-terrorist rallies and protests on these college campuses.
	Where does that put us as a country when you see this at institutions of higher learning?
	It puts us in a death zone because what we need to understand is, look, we don't need to send troops there.
	Obviously, we just need to stop Biden from handcuffing Israel and let them do what they need to do and stay out of it.
	But then we have to turn to our own borders and our own visas and our own culture and education.
	We got some serious issues here.
	Because what was so shocking about that day was a Saturday.
	It was the breadth of what happened in a Western country, how it could get overrun by a degree of savagery that's unimaginable.
	And then, within hours, you had all over the Western countries, thousands of people, you know, Islamic immigrants to the West, but mixed with native leftists as well, chanting and demonstrating.
	And I want people to remember, for all of time, This was before Israel even announced their intention to do anything.
	In other words, Hamas was still controlling those areas, and the IDF didn't even clean it out yet.
	They were celebrating the massacre, meaning this wasn't even just, oh, the old tropes about occupation and things like that, and that nonsense.
	They straight up believe in genocide, that the Jews just existing there in their biblical homeland, their presence, is a problem.
	And deserves that sort of response.
	That should scare all of us, because that's not an Israel problem, that's an us problem, that we've let in so much garbage for generations.
	And what I did is, I collated the visas from predominantly Islamic countries, and we had a brilliant idea after 9-11.
	So we let in 19 people on visas that we shouldn't have let in.
	So we're like, you know what we're gonna do?
	We're gonna go to the most Sharia Uh, in green countries, and we're going to double and triple our intake from those countries.
	That's what we did.
	So it started with the diversity visa lottery, where we brought in a lot of these places and then it spawned chain migration.
	And now 20 years later, we've been taking in year after year, uh, at least a hundred thousand foreign students from these countries, and then offering green cards, that's legal permanent resident status to an equal number of people, roughly equal number.
	Now, are every one of them a problem?
	No, but I've gone through a lot of polling data, and what people don't want to recognize, and it's not your problem, it's not my problem, I want to get along with all people, but there is a certain culture that is brought in.
	You bring in a few here and there, you hope they assimilate, and that's fine.
	But when you bring in large numbers, and we should learn this from looking ominously across the pond to Europe, we're always about a generation behind them, Europe is done.
	They are done.
	I mean, you look at their streets, they're gone.
	And, you know, when you tolerate the intolerant under the guise of tolerance, what aims are you achieving?
	Who are you serving?
	And it really is a breach of the social compact.
	The American people never voted for this.
	And what's worse is, along with the foreign students and then, you know, endemic leftist dogma on college campuses, We have allowed the Qatar Foundation, right?
	That's basically Hamas.
	By the way, Qatar is Hamas.
	Qatar is worse than Iran, but Biden's allies with them.
	They have been funding billions of dollars into universities.
	So that's how you have all these student unions and programs that they have So the Sharia, the Muslim Brotherhood subversion, remember the Muslim Brotherhood was BLM and Tifa before it was cool.
	And that's why there's so much cross-pollination between them.
	They work under the same subversion method where they subvert the West and its values.
	And that's why we aren't where we are.
	I mean, we got a big, big problem.
	We got a, I mean, I don't know if you saw CNN had a poll by generation, is Israel justified in responding?
	Now, most of your audience would say, They would have the right to wipe Gaza off the map after this, but that wasn't even a question.
	And people over 65, it was almost 90%, and then it went down and down, and people under 30, it was 27% or something.
	We got a big, big problem.
	Yeah, we really do.
	And in the minute we have left here, Daniel, going from the campus protests to the ones outside the Capitol being held and run by members of Congress, obviously the Hamas caucus or the Hamas squad, we could talk about generally or we can talk specifically about Rashida Sharia Tlaib and what she is doing.
	First of all, she's continuing to advance the lie, the myth, the hoax about the plane, or excuse me, not the plane, the bomb coming from Israel that destroyed the hospital.
	People like that shouldn't be allowed in the country.
	So I want to make something very clear.
	it doubling and tripling down and she is outside rallying and screaming for a ceasefire before
	Israel even has done anything even remotely close to what they need to do to respond to
	that attack against Hamas.
	Should people like that even be allowed to stay in the Congress?
	People like that shouldn't be allowed in the country.
	So I want to make something very clear.
	None of us are for abridging speech, right, because obviously it's used against us.
	Sure.
	If you're an American here, you have a right to say, if you want to get up there and say
	yes, the Jews, I mean, except under certain circumstances, I mean, you've got to tolerate
	that and that's just the price of freedom.
	But you don't have an affirmative right to immigrate, and people like her should have never, she should have never been allowed in this country.
	During the 1790 Naturalization Act in Congress, They talked a lot about people of reputable and worthy character, fit for the society into which they were blended.
	Madison talked about, you know, merit and Republican principles.
	Jefferson talked about Republican American values.
	Got about 30 seconds to finish the point, Daniel.
	Yeah, Republicanism.
	We have 8 billion people in the world to choose from.
	Why bring in people like that?
	You know, one can make the argument that she could be denaturalized because it was under false pretenses.
	Any game we had to play, Daniel, I know a lot of Americans, and thank you, my friend, for the time today.
	Any game we had to play to get people like that out of the Congress and yeah, even out of the country
	I'd be for we'll be back You
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	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	All right, it is a free-for-all Friday.
	Typically, that means we like to take as many calls as possible about whatever topic you want.
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	Yeah, while Biden sends aid to Hamas, we'll send it to the victims in Israel.
	I think is the bottom line of that.
	We need your help with it.
	Alright, 833-33-GORKA.
	Let's get one from Phil in Philly.
	Philadelphia is our stop on Line 1.
	Phil, thanks for calling.
	You're on America First.
	Fire away.
	Hey, Bob, love you in Philly.
	But let me just make a point.
	I had a comment here.
	Chairman Joe could not have gotten in and out of Israel safely without cutting a deal with Tehran.
	And his deal that I think that we think he cut was he was going to face expose 26 of our undercover operatives in the Middle East and probably half of our dead right now.
	He did that.
	He did exactly that.
	We haven't talked about it much, but it's one of the most grotesque derelictions of duty and one of the most irresponsible things that any White House could ever do.
	It's the kind of thing, and thank you, Phil, for the call in Philly, it's the kind of thing, quite frankly, that the left would accuse the inexperienced, non-politician Trump White House of doing.
	50 years in government, Joe Biden, former vice president, now president, his White House, that published pictures for photo ops of servicemen who are covert and undercover.
	And you're right, who have been exposed now are in grave danger if they're not already dead.
	Phil, it's a great point you brought up.
	We'll come back after this, hour two on America First.
	And I'll see you next time.
	Bye.
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	Now let's get back to the show with Bob Frantz.
	So it is indeed a free-for-all Friday on America First.
	I am indeed Bob Frantz in for Dr. G one more time.
	Thanks for being with us here.
	I am live in Cleveland, Ohio.
	That's where I am.
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	1420, the answer is TheReliefFactor.com Studios when I am here, and I certainly welcome you to follow me so that we can engage with one another off-air as well.
	I'm on Twitter at France Rants.
	I am on Facebook, and I am on Truth Social, and I am on Rumble at Always Right Radio, so check out those particular locations so we can engage in some great conversations.
	What I want you to do now is dial 833-33-GORKA and tell me what's on your mind.
	We can talk about last night, Joe Biden trying to justify raising money for Ukraine on the dead bodies of Jews in Israel.
	That's what he did.
	He took this horrific attack on Israel and used it as an opportunity to say, look at the terrible things that are happening over in Europe as well.
	We need to stop Vladimir Putin.
	It was disgusting.
	It was reprehensible.
	It was also wholly inaccurate.
	And if you want to talk about that, we can.
	Then also talk about what Israel should do.
	In terms of the proportionality of their response, why have they not invaded?
	We've been waiting for the ground forces to be given the green light to go into Gaza and
	root out Hamas, as they say, root and branch.
	Not sure exactly why that hasn't happened yet.
	Maybe James Carrafano will know.
	He'll be joining us here in about 10, 12, 13 minutes on America First.
	Also want to talk a little bit about the speaker race.
	Jim Jordan is now out.
	He has been voted out as a speaker designee in a special secret ballot amongst the GOP
	conference.
	And so now we're left with nobody, even as a nominee or a designee, to be voted on.
	The Democrats are sitting there like Cheshire Cats, just smiling and watching the chaos on the other side.
	That's a problem.
	If you have thoughts on that, we certainly welcome that, too.
	I want to play this for you before we go to any phone calls, though.
	What I was just talking about, about Biden.
	Last night, when he made his call for $60 billion.
	Remember, just a reminder.
	We are a nation that is $33 trillion in debt.
	A nation that is $2 trillion over budget in the annual budget.
	We are operating at a fiscal deficit of $2 trillion.
	We don't have.
	We've already given Ukraine $113 billion taxpayer dollars.
	So last night he comes up with this $105 billion outlay, $60 billion of which goes to Ukraine, $14 billion of which goes to Israel, $14 billion goes to our border, which is an absolute comedy.
	It's a joke.
	Because he says it's to hire more border personnel and more processing centers.
	In other words, it's to hire more Wal-Mart greeters.
	You do realize that Border Patrol, not through any fault of their own, they want to do their jobs.
	They want to stop people from coming in who are not supposed to be.
	They want to protect the homeland, but with the policies of the Brandon administration, they're a little more than Wal-Mart greeters.
	Here they come across the Rio Grande, here they come between points of entry, and they pretty much walk right up to the greeters and say, hi, asylum.
	Oh, okay, you want asylum, so what's your name, where are you from?
	Great.
	Go have a nice time inside our country until it comes time for your asylum hearing.
	The policies of red carpet rollout, and then Promises, essentially, that you get to stay no matter what, make the Border Patrol useless.
	So that $14 billion to help protect our border is just a canard.
	It's a joke.
	It means nothing!
	It means nothing.
	So, but what does matter, and then there is another $7 billion of humanitarian aid, they're already sending $100 million to Gaza, where else is the quote-unquote humanitarian aid going?
	Don't have any idea.
	But that's not the part of the speech that really rankled me as much as his justification for the $60 billion more to Ukraine, which would bring the total to pushing up near $200 billion.
	And remember, What Joe Biden and the radical left have said is that any amount, for however long it takes, there is no cap to what we will give them and it doesn't matter how long it takes.
	So it's an indefinite blank check.
	That's what he has and they have promised, sadly, with the support of about half of the Republicans in D.C.
	That's of course why we call it a uniparty.
	But sadly, they have promised this, no matter what the amount is, for however long it takes.
	To do what?
	They don't define it.
	Which is of course the best way to be able to do this.
	So, it's going to be close to $200 billion after this.
	What happens when it gets to $500 billion?
	Half a trillion dollars!
	For however long it takes.
	Oh, we're going to need another $200 billion outlay.
	Three quarters of a trillion.
	What happens when you get to a trillion?
	Is there any number that they won't stop at?
	All for the BS justifications offered by Biden last night here in cut number eight.
	Let's listen.
	And the cost and the threats to America and the world keep rising.
	So if we don't stop Putin's appetite for power and control in Ukraine, he won't limit himself just to Ukraine.
	Putin's already threatened to remind, quote, remind Poland that their Western land was a gift from Russia.
	One of his top advisors, a former president of Russia, has called Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania Russia's Baltic provinces.
	These are all NATO allies.
	For 75 years, NATO has kept peace in Europe and has been the cornerstone of American security.
	And if Putin attacks a NATO ally, we will defend every inch of NATO which a treaty requires and calls for.
	We'll have something that we do not seek Make it clear, we do not seek.
	We do not seek to have American troops fighting in Russia, or fighting against Russia.
	Beyond Europe, we know that our allies, and maybe most importantly, our adversaries and competitors are watching.
	They're watching our response in Ukraine as well.
	And if we walk away and let Putin erase Ukraine's independence, would-be aggressors around the world be emboldened to try the same?
	The risk of conflict and chaos could spread in other parts of the world.
	in the Indo-Pacific, in the Middle East, especially in the Middle East.
	Iran is supporting Russia in Ukraine and it's supporting Hamas.
	I would like to take this opportunity to quote the very eloquent attorney
	Joe Pesci in the movie My Cousin Vinny.
	Vincent LaGuardia Gambini.
	Your Honor, everything that guy just said was bull-blank.
	Thank you.
	Because that is exactly what it was.
	Do you honestly think that a Russia that is having a hard time even closing the deal with Ukraine He's thinking they have the firepower, the manpower, the strategic power, and the political will, and the resources to go into a NATO country like Poland?
	Are you serious right now?
	He can't even get the job done against Ukraine.
	You think he's going to go into a battle in a NATO country?
	You don't think Putin knows what this guy just said on national TV last night?
	That if they go into a NATO country, they try to invade a NATO ally, all of NATO will respond.
	All of NATO will fight back.
	All of NATO, including the United States, will indeed stop them.
	You don't think he knows that?
	He knows he can't do that.
	He can't win that.
	He can't reconstitute the Soviet bloc one nation at a time.
	Look what they're doing, and unable to do, again, just against Ukraine.
	Then we go to, well, and you know, they're watching to see what we do in Ukraine, because if they see that we don't step up and help Ukraine, then they're going to do things, you know, like China doing to Taiwan, too.
	And again, I would rebut that by suggesting that if they see us spending our very limited resources in both terms of munitions, because remember, we're under, we are underwater at least when it comes to what our own weaponry, our own arsenal.
	uh... should be at living literally every avenue of our military
	we are absolutely unprepared and under uh... weaponized if you will
	for you know protracted wars in particularly if they happen in a number
	of theaters so he they're watching to see where thirty three trillion
	dollars in debt they're watching to see if will borrow more money from
	china to give to the landscape in ukraine
	to repel putin and if we don't then China will be given the green light to
	go into Taiwan.
	I would submit to you that if China's watching and they see that we're spending all of our treasure and sending all of our arms to Ukraine, that we can't possibly stop them from doing anything with Taiwan.
	We cannot and do not have the necessary munitions.
	funds, manpower, and everything else, to be arming the Israelis, to be arming the Ukrainians,
	to be arming the Taiwanese, to be fighting in any or all of these places at once.
	It's simply not possible.
	This there is, without question, an ulterior motive for why Joe Biden is so hell-bent on
	making sure that Volodymyr Zelensky gets every freaking red nickel he wants.
	And it's because Volodymyr Zelensky and the rest of the corrupt Ukrainian government, along with the corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs, including and especially those at the energy companies, the ones that employed his son, They have so much dirt on the Bidens, it's not even funny.
	And if the fun stopped flowing to Akiv, if the fun stopped flowing to Zelensky and to those oligarchs, it's all going to come out.
	I have no doubt in my mind that is where this is coming from.
	I welcome your thoughts on it.
	I'm going to get the thoughts of James Carafano on it, he's going to join us next, but I want you to at 833-33-GORKA.
	I'm Bob Franson for Dr. G, this is America First.
	This is America First.
	I'm Seb Gawker.
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	21 minutes past the hour now, and I want to welcome to the program a man that I've learned a lot from in his interviews and conversations with Dr. Gorka when I listen, James Carafano, Senior Counsel to the President at the Heritage Foundation, joining us now on America First.
	James, thank you for the time.
	How are you?
	Good, sir.
	Hey, it's great to be with you.
	Thanks for having me on.
	It's good to have you on.
	I'm glad you kept the appointment.
	I wanted to get your reaction to the speech last night from Sleepy Joe, and I think he really earned that moniker from President Trump last night, just like he did when he was in Israel and literally fell asleep during his own talking points while speaking to some of the Israeli leadership.
	He rolled out $105 billion in a request for war aid, $14 billion of it to Israel, $10 billion for humanitarian assistance, $14 billion for border security, $7 billion for security aid to Taiwan, and $60 billion to arm Ukraine.
	James Carafano, what do you make of that request?
	Well, first of all, I gotta say, look, I was deeply impressed that he could stay awake that late.
	So, so there was that.
	But if, but this is, if you actually take apart the bill.
	Low bar.
	It is, well not for a joke.
	It is the most cynical emergency spending bill you could ever ask.
	Easily, and I'm being generous, 80% of that bill could be dealt with through regular order.
	And there are already four appropriation bills sitting in the Senate.
	One of which has actually billions of dollars for Israel.
	So the notion that there's an emergency that requires this is false.
	The second thing is a lot of this stuff in the bill is It's just atrocious.
	The border security money is actually not really for border security.
	It's actually to provide additional funding so the border, which acts as Biden's personal human trafficking network, mows more efficiently, and they have more resources to help illegal aliens.
	So I think there's lots of stuff in the bill that's completely unnecessary.
	And, you know, there's never, never, we're trillions of dollars in debt There's never a discussion about offsets.
	So it just came out the other day, for example, that there's a $300 billion green slush fund.
	That right there is three times the amount they need for emergency spending.
	And why you would add deficit spending when there are literally hundreds of billions of dollars in money already allocated in the US government to spend it.
	It's atrocious.
	And the final point, you know, people can have different views on funding Ukraine.
	I actually support Ukraine, but the point is, you can have two votes.
	You can vote on Ukraine aid and vote on Israel aid.
	There's no problem with it.
	There's no reason why you can't do that.
	And I think the dirty little secret is, Both of them would pass, right?
	But people wouldn't have to make uncomfortable votes.
	There are people that don't like Ukraine, and they have their reasons, and that's fine.
	And people don't want to be held accountable to that.
	For voting for Ukraine, I have to explain why they... And the other thing that's true is the President doesn't want a separate vote on Israel, because he knows that in the House, there are a number of Democrats that won't vote for that aid.
	And then he will be held accountable.
	He doesn't want to do that either.
	So by complaining, he's got everybody to vote for.
	He's got Sharia Tlaib standing outside the Capitol screaming at him and saying, Mr. President, we will remember this and so forth.
	She is, of course, vehemently anti-Semitic, vehemently anti-Israel, vehemently pro-Palestine or the non-existent Palestine that they believe in.
	But you're right.
	He does not want to make them all vote against supporting our ally, which is another question for you.
	I mean, can...
	We're not at war.
	We're on the brink of it.
	I mean, in a number of different ways, we could be in a war on three fronts in what is World War III in the Middle East, supporting Israel.
	In Europe, if Putin did go into a NATO country.
	And in Asia, if China ever did make a move on Taiwan.
	We could be in all of those things.
	But here's the real question is, if Joe Biden is going to commit uh... funds in in all of these locations he's gonna ask the
	congress everybody to pass a you know as you say it says if he splits them up
	which wars to our support in which ones i don't am i willing to vote no one funding for taiwan on a cell
	them out to the chinese what that means to us geopolitically
	am i willing to say no to the funds for israel because i'm gonna look at the
	summit he doesn't want to do it which is why he has to lump all
	the stuff together look at it and i think the reality is
	uh...
	the you know great enemies to america the world today are or on
	russia and china That's just the reality of where we are.
	The other thing I will say that's true, too, is they all have two things in common.
	One is they all hate America, and they see their success absolutely predicated on taking America down.
	So they all share a hatred of us, and they share an insatiable desire to diminish, weaken,
	and defeat the United States.
	The other thing I'll say is they all want to win without fighting.
	I mean, none of them want to fight the United States.
	So I'm not really worried about this spinning into World War III.
	I am worried about the President being able to responsibly respond to America's global interests and responsibility.
	And you know what?
	Presidents did this throughout the Cold War.
	It's tough work, but it's totally doable.
	But you have a president who demonstrated, actually, in the speech, which people said, oh, didn't he sound presidential?
	OK, so he sounded like, oh, she joked, the campaign trail, big deal.
	But if you actually listen to the words of the speech, he said nothing that was useful, productive, or helpful.
	He deliberately did not take on Iran, which is the father of all what's going on in the Middle East today.
	And then he says, in the Middle East, of course we need a two-state solution.
	And that just sent me through the roof.
	I'm so sick of hearing those words.
	There can never be a two-state solution if one of the states wants to kill the other.
	It's just that simple.
	So in my mind, I sprinkle curry dust, and I automatically make Joe Biden happy, and I create a Palestinian state.
	And so what do you have?
	You have a state which, by its own doctrine, is committed to the destruction of Israel.
	You have a state sponsor of terrorism.
	You have a tool of Iran, which is the great threat in the region.
	And you have a government which is utterly corrupt, which will do nothing but exploit, oppress, and misuse its own people.
	That's Biden's idea of a solution.
	Yeah, you're exactly right.
	And again, there is no two-state solution because of exactly what you said.
	If one of the state is hell-bent on, and it's in their charter to destroy the other state, if they're raising their children to hate the people in the other state, it will never be a peaceful solution, which means there is only one solution.
	Israel has to be able to defend itself by any and all means necessary.
	And that means collateral damage be damned.
	The moral responsibility to protect Palestinians belongs to Hamas, not Israel.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	The reality is that Israel is probably going to survive this war, even if there's a fight with Hezbollah.
	But you've got to ask yourselves, why is this happening?
	That's the real question.
	Because we project weakness to all of our enemies in the form of that sleepy guy you saw last night on television.
	James Carafano, Senior Counsel to the President of the Heritage Foundation, thank you for joining us on America First.
	For Dr. G, I'm Bob LaFrance.
	We'll be back.
	and Dr. G.
	We'll be back.
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	I'm Seb Gawker.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	Yes, indeed.
	Let's do that.
	33 minutes past the hour.
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	So we were talking about this a short while ago with Daniel Horowitz and I think with a caller or two, but there's, you know, look, as bad as everything appears to be, and it is, we are in a very, very dangerous and dark place right now, which we knew we would be in when Democrats regained control of the country, and here we sit.
	Um, we look for strands of hope to cling to from time to time, right?
	Can we agree on that?
	We're looking for something that's positive and amidst all of the radicalism that's going on in this country is you have groups just proudly wearing, you know, Palestinian garb and, uh, and we're talking about people who are not even Palestinians, but just white leftists.
	You know, all chanting for freeing Palestine and all this other stuff going on.
	And while they're doing the pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas, they're doing the anti-Israel, just flat-out antisemitism, cheering for the death of Jews and the horrific assault that all of those individuals face.
	So all this is going on.
	We're looking for something possibly, you know, positive, I guess, to cling to.
	And one story came out of Berkeley.
	Berkeley, maybe outside of the Ivy League's the most liberal, left-wing, radical institution in America.
	I could name a few, but they're right up there.
	A Berkeley law professor, just a couple of days ago, wrote a letter, an op-ed, to the Wall Street Journal, telling law firms around the country, do not hire my students.
	This is a guy whose job it is to prepare these people for the world of law, you know, of legal battles and so forth, and he's saying don't hire them.
	Why?
	Because they're radicals.
	They promote terrorists.
	That gives me a slight bit of hope, as does this professor, who is unnamed at the moment,
	but his speech at Columbia University has gone viral.
	Columbia, like Harvard and Penn and Cornell and so many of the other Ivies, has just gone
	off the chains.
	Woke, radical, pro-Hamas, pro-terrorism, anti-Israel, anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic, and all of these
	While their university is that way, this one professor says enough is enough.
	Cut 9.
	So everyone, please take out your phones, because I want this message to get to every parent who sent their kids to Columbia University and trusted their kids and their children's safety with us.
	I want this message to get to every parent in America who sends their kids to NYU, to Harvard, to Stanford, to Berkeley.
	And I want you to know one thing.
	We cannot protect your child.
	And I'm not saying this As a professor, I should introduce myself.
	My name is Sai W. Dye.
	I am a professor at Columbia Business School.
	I am Israeli.
	But before all of that, I am a dad!
	I have two beautiful children!
	And I'm talking to you, I'm speaking to you as a dad.
	And I want you to know, we cannot protect your children from pro-terror student organizations, because the president of Columbia University will not speak out against pro-terror student organizations, because the president of Harvard University, because the president of Stanford, because the president of Berkeley, they will not speak out against pro-terror Last Saturday, 14 U.S.
	citizens were kidnapped into Gaza with 200 other Israeli, French, German, and other nationalities.
	14 citizens of the U.S.
	are right now kidnapped in Gaza.
	And yet the president of the university is allowing, is giving her support to pro-terror student organizations.
	That is a powerful message from a man, and now he did name himself there.
	I didn't quite get it, but he identified himself as well as an Israeli American, but first as a dad.
	Moms and dads, don't send your kids to this university.
	Don't send your kids to any of them, because we can't protect them.
	Because the radicals at the top of the universities are allowing pro-terrorist demonstrations to go on.
	Not pro-Palestinian, pro-terrorist demonstrations.
	Don't send your kids here.
	That is a message worth repeating.
	I'm Bob Branson for Dr. G. We'll be back.
	Thanks for watching.
	Bye.
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	And on Second Amendment Friday, why not talk to the man himself, the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, John R. Lott.
	Welcome back to America First.
	John, how are you?
	Doing great.
	Good to talk to you again.
	Good to talk to you as well.
	John, you've been a busy guy writing op-eds all over the place.
	I got one in front of me from The Federalist.
	I got one in front of me from The Washington Times.
	I want to start with The Washington Times because of the story.
	Obviously, it continues to be the lead story around the world right now.
	The war in Israel, or in the Middle East, between Israel and Palestinian terrorists in Gaza.
	We were all shocked and horrified by what we saw happen on October 7th, and we saw a disarmed population at the mercy of radical terrorists who came in on hang gliders, they came through the wall, the fence, they came from everywhere, and they attacked, and people were defenseless, but not all people.
	Tell us about the kibbutz where civilians were armed, and what happened there, John.
	Right, well, I mean, there was a kibbutz where the security person there had enough foresight to go into the arms locker and to give the civilians guns.
	And it was one kibbutz where they were able to go and stop the terrorists.
	People don't know how gun control laws have changed dramatically over time, kind of going both ways in Israel.
	Israel has had terrorist attacks since before they were even a country.
	And for decades, up until 1972, the approach was civilians were banned from having guns.
	But what would happen is that when there'd be a terrorist attack, they'd put more military, more police on the streets.
	But they discovered that no matter how much money they spent, they simply couldn't cover all the possible targets, that these terrorists had real tactical advantages over the police and the military.
	Because if you have an officer on a bus and you have a terrorist, the terrorist can wait for the officer to leave before he attacks, or he can get off the bus and attack some other target where he doesn't see an officer around.
	Or he could try to take out the officer, knowing that if he does kill the officer, he's going to have free rein because nobody else on the bus is going to be able to go and protect themselves.
	And then what happened in 1972, the government finally realized that the approach that they had wasn't working.
	And so they began to let civilians carry concealed handguns.
	And you had, in some years, up to 14% of the adult Jewish population being able to go and carry.
	I mean, that took away the technical advantages that the terrorists had, because now, I mean, in most of the country, outside of California and New York, you have about 10% of the adult population with permits.
	You don't know who's carrying.
	You'd probably go to a restaurant or a movie theater or a mall or a grocery store, and there'll be somebody next to you carrying, but you won't know.
	And the terrorists don't know.
	And so, the terrorists may have 30 people behind them in the bus, but if they go and attack the police officer, they reveal their position, and somebody behind them, who they can't identify, may be able to stop them.
	But the debate in Israel, unfortunately, has been similar to the one here in the United States.
	in September when the National Police Chief said, look, we're coming up on Jewish holidays.
	He's likely to go and get a tax.
	We should, if you're able to carry, please make sure you do so.
	You had left-wing politicians going out there and warning against civilians carrying guns.
	And they've gotten to the point where now only about 3% of the adult Jewish population was legally licensed
	to own a gun.
	And you can only imagine how the terrorist attacks like at the music festival would have turned out
	differently if some of the people there had been armed.
	At the very least, they would have been able to slow the attack and given other people a chance to go and escape.
	But what you have happened is that the day after October 7, They changed the rules now to make it much easier for people to carry.
	If you don't have a criminal record, you can call in now and get permission to be able to go and carry.
	Well, I'm sure they wish that they had changed that a week earlier or two weeks earlier.
	It would have made a big difference in terms of people's ability to stop it, just like with the kibbutz that you were referencing.
	Yeah, no question about it.
	That's exactly right.
	John Arlott Jr.
	is our guest on Second Amendment Friday, and it's something we say all of the time here in the United States.
	You don't know when you are going to need that kind of firepower.
	You don't know what you're going to need.
	You don't know what threats are coming at you.
	And obviously in Israel, living in a place where they face suicide bombers and rocket launches and all kinds of other things all of the time, you would think that they would have been a little bit smarter about it and made sure that everybody in Israel is able to arm themselves and train themselves to be able to protect themselves.
	Let's move over now.
	John Arlott Jr.
	is our guest, and let's talk a little bit about your column for The Federalist.
	There are feds who want the Supreme Court of the United States to let judges strip away gun rights even when there has been no crime.
	What on earth are we talking about here, John?
	Right.
	Well, there's a case that the Supreme Court's going to be hearing the oral arguments on November 7th.
	It's called Rahimi.
	There's a guy who's a pretty bad guy.
	He had a long criminal history, violent criminal history.
	He was a drug dealer.
	But they didn't prosecute him on those types of things.
	They didn't put him in, you know, have high bail in order to try to keep him in jail.
	What they end up doing, they end up having a domestic violence order, a civil case brought against him that took away his right to go and own a gun.
	He's still got a gun.
	Uh, and committed another crime with it.
	And so the case before the Supreme Court is whether you can take away somebody's gun with a criminal case or a civil case.
	And there's a big difference between the two, because with a criminal case, when you make a decision that somebody's guilty, it's beyond a reasonable doubt.
	You're like 98% sure that the person is the guilty party.
	With civil cases, It's just the preponderance of the evidence.
	So 50.1% versus 49.9% that the person didn't do what you are accusing them of.
	In this case, there was not even a hearing.
	There was no lawyer.
	You don't get lawyers provided for you in civil cases.
	John, we're going to have to tell people to read the rest of this fascinating case that you wrote about when you go to the Federalist.
	Look for this article by John Arlott of the Crime Prevention Research Center.
	I'm Bob Franson for Dr. G. We'll be back.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	I'm Seb Gawker.
	Now, let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	Yes, indeed, and I am Bob France, and I am really disappointed to have to talk more about this awful, awful attack, but that's what happened, and now the question is, is how do we respond?
	The sounds of battle echoing in southern Israel since that attack on October 7th.
	Now the sirens are sounding in the north.
	Hezbollah launching rockets.
	The impact is devastating.
	At least 1,400 dead, 3,400 injured.
	Over 200 taken hostage.
	Two American hostages were released earlier today, by the way.
	So again, we'll cling to the good news when we get it.
	But the impact is unbelievable.
	Israel is retaliating.
	They're evacuating towns to the north, communities, 28 of them, to protect themselves.
	We need to show our support by helping the children and families impacted most by this.
	The situation is dire and we're partnering with our friends at the International Fellowship
	of Christians and Jews to rush emergency relief directly to the hardest hit areas of Israel.
	I want you to go to sebgorka.com, click on the Israel at War banner, make an emergency
	donation right there or phone in right now.
	You got a phone in your hand or in your pocket, I bet.
	Call 800-241-7771.
	800-241-7771.
	Your emergency gift will help the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews save lives and provide critical essentials needed right now.
	It's a very dark time and the needs in the war-torn areas are tremendous.
	The Fellowship has an extensive network of staff, partner organizations and volunteers all across Israel and is preparing to immediately respond with life-saving security and support measures.
	We ask all people to pray for the safety, protection, and comfort of Israel in the aftermath
	of these attacks.
	And please add a generous gift at sebgorka.com or by calling 800-241-7771 as we rush urgently
	needed help to Israel through the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
	By the way, Dr. G is off today, but he's not not working.
	He's not taking the day off.
	He's talking to patriots behind the lines, behind enemy lines in California.
	He sent me a couple of snapshots of the crew that he's with in California.
	They look like phenomenal people and great patriots.
	Smiles abound as Dr. Gorka is there talking about the best ways to help secure and retain our freedom and our liberty in this country despite The efforts of the government in the state in which they live, those folks there in California.
	So, terrific job by Dr. G. Maybe we'll post those.
	I'm sure he'll post those as well on Twitter, but I may do the same thing.
	Great shots of great people.
	Let's get a call or two in here before the top of the hour.
	We'll go to Steve in Los Angeles.
	Steve, on line two.
	Welcome to America First.
	Go right ahead.
	Hey Bob, thanks for having me on.
	A couple points I wanted to bring up, actually, now listening to the show on hold for a few minutes, there was a couple other points, but the first thing I will say is that, as far as, I was listening earlier, as far as, like, the college youth today, and the fact that they're being spoon-fed.
	Oh.
	And hate for Israel.
	You know, a lot of it is that conservatives have just left the teaching positions to the liberals.
	Well, they can't get hired.
	They can't get hired, though.
	That's a problem, Steve.
	They can't get hired.
	And thank you for the call, my friend.
	The DEI makes it even harder.
	D-I-E, as I like to call it, because they have to run every potential candidate for a position through the D-I-E, and they can't do it if they're conservatives.
	They get shut down.
	You know that.
	We'll be back after this.
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	Alright, thanks Dr. G. Hour number three is underway on America First.
	Dr. G is in California speaking to patriots behind enemy lines there.
	It's so good to be with you.
	I welcome you to follow me so we can engage and converse and share ideas on our social media platforms.
	I'm on Twitter at France Rants because that's what I do.
	I'm also on Facebook At Always Right Radio, Rumble at Always Right Radio, and on Truth Social at Always Right WHK, which is my home base here in Cleveland, Ohio.
	Robert Spencer.
	I described him in the open at the top of the show when I told you we were going to be talking to him.
	He's one of the most reviled men in the Muslim Brotherhood type of world, around the world, because he is a man who tells the unvarnished truth about the attempt at jihad and the establishment of Sharia.
	Just great, Bob.
	Dr. Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch.
	He's the Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, the author of 27 books, including
	bestsellers like The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and The Crusades and The Truth
	About Muhammad.
	Robert Spencer, good to have you here on America First.
	How are you?
	Good, sir.
	Just great, Bob.
	Good to see you.
	It's good to talk to you and see you as well.
	Doing it this way is very nice.
	So, Robert, you know, there's a lot of ground, obviously, to cover here.
	I want to talk about what Israel's response to the atrocity on October 7th should be.
	It's funny, because our president goes over there, our secretary of state goes over there and says, our support for Israel is 100%.
	We have your back.
	It's unequivocal.
	And then they equivocate.
	And then they say, by the way, Don't be too angry.
	You know, be outraged, but don't let your outrage consume you.
	In other words, don't do everything that is necessary to make sure that your people are never attacked in such way again.
	And from my money, it sounds like he is telling them to be, quote, proportionate in the Israeli response.
	How do you see that, Robert Spencer?
	I couldn't agree more, Bob.
	It was egregious, a terrible, disgraceful performance in a series of disgraceful performances by the alleged president.
	And he not only told Israel to control their rage, which was essentially saying, you gotta hold back, you can't crush Hamas as they deserve to be crushed.
	But he also declared that he was giving $100 million to Hamas because he said it was $100 million for humanitarian aid to Gaza.
	But make no mistake, Hamas controls Gaza.
	There is no entity in Gaza that can prevent that money from falling into the hands of Hamas.
	The Biden regime has to know that.
	And so he went over to Israel and announced before the world that he was going to be funding the military operations of Hamas against The messaging from the administration and from many others is that you cannot hold Palestinian civilians responsible for what Hamas does.
	I understand that line of thinking to a certain extent.
	Except for the fact that I was talking to Ryan Morrow today, who is a very knowledgeable and well-researched man on Middle Eastern affairs, and he said surveys of Gaza civilians indicate that the Palestinian people, 50% of them support Hamas, 75% support the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which is another terror group essentially working in collaboration with Hamas.
	So, if the Palestinian people are so, you know, if there's such a very small percent, 20, 25, 30 percent of them that actually don't support Hamas, how do we draw a distinction between civilian and terrorist supporter?
	Yeah, it's ridiculous, Bob.
	You're absolutely right.
	Biden said the Palestinian people are not represented by Hamas.
	But the fact is, 75 percent of the Palestinian people in Gaza voted for Hamas.
	57%, as you noted, still support them.
	And the worst part of it is that Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which is even more bloodthirsty than Hamas, and the Lion's Den, which is another jihad group that's a relatively recent vintage that is even worse still, and much like ISIS, they have wholehearted support from the people of Gaza that goes far beyond the support for Hamas.
	And so in the first place, we're talking about a population that is wholly behind a bloody jihad against Israel.
	Also, while we want to avoid civilian casualties wherever possible, and any army should do that, and the Israeli army is very careful to do that wherever it can, We have to also acknowledge that the Palestinians deliberately launch attacks from civilian areas in order to draw retaliatory fire they can use for propaganda purposes.
	And so that we cannot be deterred by that from what needs to be done.
	So knowing that, and also knowing that the terrorists have taken still over 200 hostages, I think there was 203 was the final count, or the most recent count.
	Two of them were released today, Americans, thank goodness.
	But they still have over 200 hostages, so if you were to huddle, Robert Spencer, with Prime Minister Netanyahu and IDF leaders, What would you advise them to do if they go full-scale, 300,000 strong, ground forces into Gaza to do this?
	And there are a lot of collateral damages and civilians killed.
	They've got over 200 hostages as well that are probably going to end up losing their lives as a result of such a thing.
	So, what would you suggest that Israel do?
	I don't think that... This is very hard, Bob.
	War is very hard.
	I understand the human costs that we're talking about.
	We can't take it lightly.
	Those people have families, they have people who love them, they have people who have been going through hell ever since October 7th.
	At the same time, if you allow the presence of those hostages to stymie Israel's war effort, then you're allowing the whole nation to be held hostage.
	And that is the idea behind taking the hostages in the first place.
	You have, or we have, Robert Spencer.
	Robert Spencer is our guest.
	He is the founder and director of Jihad Watch and a Shulman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
	We've got leaders around the world telling Israel, and by extension, I guess, the United States, because we are their allies and we're going to help support them financially and so forth.
	Be proportional, and let's have a two-state solution here.
	Let's not wipe out all of Gaza, wipe out all of Hamas, and therefore commit this massive devastation of the civilian population there.
	Let's continue to make the two-state solution work.
	Even Xi Jinping in China is calling for that now.
	Why do you suppose they want to continue to push the facade of a two-state solution that can never work?
	Well, for one thing, it's a solution.
	So it gives the illusion to the general public that there's actually a way out of this.
	And it gives the impression that these political leaders who are pushing this are actually doing something.
	But in reality, the Palestinians have repeatedly, ever since 1948, repeatedly rejected numerous offers to found a state.
	And if a Palestinian state ever were founded, it would just become a new jihad base for more attacks against what's left of Israel, just as Gaza did after the Israelis withdrew in 2005.
	And so Israel should be understanding these calls as yet more calls for them not to do what needs to be done to eradicate the terror.
	You know, it's one thing for the Arab states all surrounding Israel to be anti-Israel, as they are.
	It's another thing for it to be this way around the world.
	And we all know what happened in 1973 in the Yom Kippur War, and we all know they tried to attack and the rest of the world didn't want to, you know.
	Even though the United Nations essentially affirmed Israel's existence in 1948, but the rest of the world, and right now, they spent like five minutes worrying about the victims of the slaughter in Israel on October 7th, and immediately turned to, let's not have any victims in Gaza.
	We have to worry about them first.
	Why is the rest of the world so against Israel's right to defend itself, Robert?
	We have the left on the one hand and Islam on the other.
	And the left hates Israel because they're collectivist, socialist, Marxist internationalists who want to destroy nation-states and establish a universal government.
	And so you've got this one people that has existed throughout history, never for 2,000 years without its own state.
	And yet they never assimilated, they never accepted the values of the wider culture.
	That's anathema to these Marxists who want everybody like in Chairman Mao's China to be wearing the same clothes, to have the individual eradicated, everybody is subjected to the collective.
	The Jews are the foremost opponents Of that view.
	Of that system.
	And so the left hates them.
	And then in Islam, you've got the idea that no land that is ruled by Islam can be ruled by anybody else forever.
	Any land that Islam once ruled belongs to them forever.
	You have a responsibility before a law to fight, to drive out the people who are ruling it now.
	And so both of those come together, and everybody hates Israel.
	Robert Spencer, this is going to be something you can't answer in one minute, but I'll ask it and maybe we'll pick it up after the break.
	Why is it that so many Jews support leftist political candidates, particularly here in the United States?
	I've asked many a Jew that question, Israelis and others in my years on the radio, and I don't know that I've ever gotten an answer I understood how it is that they can side with a political ideology on the left, as you just said, that despises them.
	Why do they support that?
	Well it goes back decades, Bob, and it goes, it's rooted in the idea that the left is the one, is the party, the faction that is for the downtrodden, the marginalized, the oppressed.
	Jews throughout history have been downtrodden, marginalized, and oppressed in virtually every society they've been in.
	And so they tend to identify and associate with other groups that are perceived as such.
	The key word there being perceived.
	That's the perception that the left has.
	I'm going to pick it up there on the other side as promised.
	Robert Spencer will continue.
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	Thanks, Dr. G. Our colleague and friend, Dennis Prager, on PragerU, there is a new petition, a drive that has been started, Stand with Israel, Condemn Terrorism.
	Sign that petition below.
	They're going to send this to, I think, every member of Congress and everyone in the federal government that they can possibly reach to let them know that Millions of Americans want them to stand unequivocally with Israel and in no way, shape, or form support terrorists or those who support terrorists in the Middle East.
	We're continuing our conversation now with Robert Spencer.
	Robert Spencer, the director of Jihad Watch and the Shulman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
	So Robert, I asked you, and you started the answer, and we'll kind of pick it back up from there about why it is That so many American Jews support American democratic politicians, leftist politicians, which you articulated in the answer before, essentially despise them because of who they are, collectivists and socialists and Marxists and so forth.
	Why on earth is it?
	And you started to talk about how the Jews are downtrodden people and oppressed people, and so they tend to gravitate toward the party that is perceived as being on their side.
	It isn't that way though, I don't think.
	No, it certainly isn't that way, and it hasn't been that way for a long time.
	But I think if you still ask the average person on the street which party cares more for the common people, you would get more people to say the Democrats, because that's a long-standing reputation.
	That they have that goes back to probably people like William Jennings Bryan and the time when there were the labor unions and all that were being championed by the Democrats as over against the Republicans who were perceived as being more with management than with labor.
	And so you have the long-standing identification that is formed in the Jewish community at that time, and I think people reflexively continue it, and it's very hard to break these old habits.
	Yeah, and it's very frustrating for me as a Christian watching this, knowing that I as a conservative Republican Christian support Israel, support Jews, support the Judeo-Christian values and principles of this great nation, and yet they would snub me in favor of those who don't support Israel.
	I mean, it's the American Democrat party and the American left, Rashida Tlaib and others out there screaming, ceasefire, ceasefire, don't hurt the Palestinians, we just killed, or our people just killed, you know, 1,400 Jews and injured and wounded almost 4,000 of them, but don't come back at us.
	I'm sitting here thinking, why aren't their views modernizing as the situations evolve on the ground and in real time here in the United States and in Israel?
	Well, you know, ultimately, I think that it's really the answer is a kind of tribalism.
	And it doesn't just affect Jews, but affects pretty much every group in American politics.
	The changes are glacial in the group identification.
	You look, for example, at the black community and how the Trump administration had policies that were far better for the black community than anything that had come from the Democrats in decades.
	But you still had only a handful voting for Trump and for other Republicans.
	The identifications are formed and they remain and for the most part people don't even revisit them or reconsider at any point no matter what kind of information comes in.
	Robert Spencer, I was talking yesterday about this once I saw the number of attacks and protests and even some fire set outside of embassies, American embassies and bases around the world, and I thought, Benghazi!
	It just can't not come to mind.
	And then I come to read you this morning on Front Page Magazine, you wrote an article about this, another Benghazi in the offing in either the Middle East or South America.
	What do you think the likelihood is that these You know, anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist, anti-Israelis who blame the United States for supporting them do indeed attack one of the embassies.
	Oh, it's extremely likely.
	It's probable.
	Because you have the left condoning violence and becoming increasingly violent in the United States and around the world.
	You have the ongoing hatred for Israel, which is now burning more heatedly than ever.
	You have the war, which is going to continue to give us incidents in the news that the left will take as occasions for new days of rage, new global days of jihad, and probably both at once at various points.
	And so you will have people marching on the embassies, storming the embassies, and they consider the people inside to be Subhuman, basically, because their rhetoric has so relentlessly dehumanized Jews, Israelis, Americans for so long.
	And I think it's only a matter of time before we see horrific violence in an Israeli embassy, in a U.S.
	embassy, maybe others as well.
	And more dead Americans.
	More dead Americans, which I don't know why it always seems to happen when there are Democrats in power, and I'm not trying to be so overtly politically partisan here, but it just is what it is.
	This happened under Obama and when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Completely ignored the warning signs at Benghazi and the request for more support and aid and so forth.
	We all saw what happened.
	So I don't want to see that happen again here.
	But now let's come back to the homeland and let's look at our campuses.
	I mean, first of all, we could also look at the Capitol outside Rashida Tlaib screaming and crying and repeating lies about Israeli bombs hitting hospitals and so forth.
	But on the campuses, we're seeing tomorrow's leaders.
	Particularly in the Ivy Leagues.
	You get a degree from an Ivy League university, you can almost write your ticket to go and lead somewhere, and these people are outside on their campus lawn screaming in support of terrorists.
	They're saying free Palestine in some cases, but free Palestine means kill Israel.
	And kill Israel means kill Jews.
	That's the reality of the situation.
	And it's spreading like wildfire across campuses, maybe more than the anti-war protests did in the 1960s.
	Yeah, and it is the fruit of decades of the far-left control of the universities.
	The universities today are not institutions of higher learning by any stretch of the imagination.
	They're essentially radioactive wastelands of far-left indoctrination where you want to send your child into Antifa, then send them to Harvard.
	And so they go in and they come out hating Israel, hating the United States, and then we see all these demonstrations all over the campuses where they're open.
	You know, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where I attended, I saw a girl screaming, we are all Hamas.
	And so it's not as if they're even trying to make any distinction between the alleged Palestinian moderates and the genocidal murderer.
	Was the North Carolina Chapel Hill student a Palestinian or a white liberal?
	I'm not sure, actually.
	It could have been either one.
	There wouldn't have been any difference.
	That's what I find.
	I mean, you can understand, to an extent, people of Palestinian descent are certainly going to side with their people and their extended families and so forth.
	They may be in Gaza, I get that, but it's amazing the number of white liberals who are so anti-Semitic that they actually support terrorists in the form of what you just described by saying, we are all Hamas.
	So as this situation plays out, and Iran of course is at the center of it, we all know that they arm and fund Hezbollah and Hamas, does Iran eventually get involved in the actual battle here?
	Do you think we will ever have to turn our attention militarily toward Iran?
	That could certainly happen.
	Iran actually threatens to get involved if Israel moved its ground forces into Gaza.
	And then apparently looking at the unrest that it faces inside its own country, it reconsidered, walked it back, said, oh, well, the Gazans can take care of it themselves.
	But if the ground struggle becomes something that is very bloody and devastating for the forces of Jihad, then look for Iran to meddle in some way.
	After all, they own all the Jihad groups in that area.
	Yeah, and particularly, of course, because they run and own Hezbollah to the north, and we all know what they could do.
	In fact, they are more deadly with more precision strikes and missiles and so forth than even Hamas is.
	Robert Spencer, Jihad Watch Director and the David Shulman Fellow at the David Horowitz Center.
	Thank you so much, Robert Spencer.
	We'll be back.
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	I want to thank you for your clarity, your decency and your honesty.
	So I'm the daughter of a Holocaust survivor, and I have almost no family because more than 50 members of my family were dead to death in gas chambers.
	And the people who say anything, I don't care if they're a politician, a student, a university president or someone in the media or anyone else, Anybody who does not support Israel, particularly at this time, I consider pure evil and anti-Semite, and they might as well go to my father's grave and spit on it.
	Well, Nancy, I am so sorry to hear of the horrific loss that you and your family have endured from that time and ever since.
	And I agree with you.
	Nobody would like to say they can understand because you would have had to have gone through it, and I don't want to wish that on anybody, including myself, but I try to understand when people like you, from families like yours, who have been through hell multiple times over, you know, how you feel.
	To hear you say it, though, is very important to me, and I'm glad you called to say that, and I concur.
	If you can't stand with Israel right now, knowing why Israel in 1947, the people who
	survived the Holocaust, Jews who survived the Holocaust, but who were driven out of
	Europe and could not stay there anymore and were given the right to go back and have the
	world affirm their homeland, and to now to have that land attacked and have the people
	and the descendants of those who were massacred and tortured in the Holocaust, if you can't
	stand with them, I agree with you.
	You are a tool of the devil, and I don't want to preach because I'm not qualified, but you
	are a tool of Satan.
	There is something very, very dark inside of you if you can't stand with Israel and see what's going on right now.
	So, Nancy, my prayers for you and your family, and thank you for calling to share that emotional experience with us.
	Thank you, Nancy.
	God bless.
	I have a lot of Jewish friends, and I talk to a lot of people who have descended from Holocaust survivors.
	It's an impossible thing to understand.
	People who have gone through trauma, any kind of trauma I suppose, nobody can understand it to the level that they do unless they've been through it themselves.
	It probably takes a Holocaust surviving family member to understand a Holocaust surviving family member's trauma.
	I can't do it.
	I'm also not Jewish.
	I can't relate to just wanting my particular race of people wiped off the face of the earth.
	So, it takes stories like that.
	Not to be over-the-top and melodramatic, but yeah, Jews need to speak out, and they need to be heard, and they need people to know that when the phrase, never again, was born out of the Holocaust, it has to mean never.
	Not incrementally back toward that time where the world looks the other way when Jews are being slaughtered in such ways.
	It has to mean never again.
	And that means supporting Israel's right to make sure that Hamas never does what they just did again.
	To make sure that Hezbollah can never do what was just done to them again.
	Right?
	I mean, we need to hear from people like that.
	It's one thing to hear a talk show host talk about it, it's another thing to hear a Holocaust-surviving family member tell you what it's really all about.
	God bless her, and God bless all of those who understand what it's like, because their family has gone through it.
	America First, right back.
	Thank you.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	Yes, indeed.
	17 minutes left in the broadcast on this free-for-all Friday.
	We'll come right back to calls in a minute, but the sounds of battle still echoing in southern Israel ever since the barbaric attack by Hamas.
	Sirens sounding in the north, too, as Hezbollah launches rockets.
	The impact so far is 1,400 dead, 3,400 injured in Israel.
	Things have become deadlier since then.
	Israel is now retaliating.
	They're also evacuating thousands that are already grieving the death and destruction of families and lives, and we need to step up.
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	Israel has dropped more bombs in the last 10 days than we dropped in a whole year in Afghanistan!
	Where is your humanity?
	Where is your outreach?
	Where is your care for people?
	Our outrage, our humanity, our care for people, is with the Israelis who were attacked by the people you support with your outrage, Jihad Omar.
	Our outrage is for the innocent victims who were raped, tortured, murdered, and taken hostage in Israel by the savages that you support.
	Alright?
	Let me be unequivocal.
	Joe Biden can equivocate all he wants.
	The savage, subhuman animals that are Hamas terrorists, they started an unbelievable war against a state that wants to live in peace.
	And when they did, they brought war back to their people.
	You don't get to scream and cry about the collateral damage of Palestinian civilians when your own leadership of your people in your land attacked with a bloodlust unlike things we have seen since the Holocaust, since ISIS, Innocent men, women, and children in Israel.
	You want to know where our outrage is?
	Our outrage is at you for being outraged that Israel wants to defend itself.
	Our outrage is at you for standing in front of a sign in Washington, D.C.
	that yells, cease fire.
	Which means that you're perfectly fine with the F around part of the equation, but you want to stop before the find out part.
	You're fine with go there and kill Jews.
	You want a ceasefire now when there might be somebody that you care about dies in response.
	That's not how F.A.F.O.
	goes.
	You did the F.A.
	Now you will have the F.O.
	You and your friend, Representative Sharia Tlaib.
	Did you know you cannot spell Rashida without an S-H-A-R-I-N-A?
	And that means something if you know what Sharia is.
	Sharia Tlaib is off the chain even more than Jihad Omar.
	Jesse Waters on Fox last night pointed it out.
	Let's listen.
	She leaves a different animal.
	She's Palestinian-American.
	She's Muslim-American.
	She represents a large Muslim community in her district.
	She planted a Palestinian flag outside of her office.
	So this is very emotional for her.
	And she's connected, but it doesn't give her the right to lie.
	And it doesn't give her the right to push Hamas propaganda.
	So Jeffries is going to have to be able to deliver the message.
	Pelosi's not going to do it.
	She's not the top dog anymore.
	He's the top dog, so he has to take her aside and tell her to knock it off.
	I don't think he's going to be able to do it.
	He doesn't have the chops.
	He's new at this.
	Doesn't have the seniority or the stature.
	And she's radicalized.
	You can see it in her eyes.
	She's radicalized.
	You see her out there.
	She's almost crying.
	He's exactly right.
	She is radicalized.
	But she's radicalized because of what she is.
	And because of who she is.
	Not because of what just happened.
	She has been this way for a long time.
	There's a reason why.
	before Israel even responded.
	With bomb one, she was asked if she condemned the beheading of babies by Hamas savages.
	She would not say yes.
	She's angry.
	She's pro-Palestinian.
	She's pro-Hamas.
	She wants to remain silent.
	It's her right.
	But if you do not want to be thought of as a bloodthirsty savage, then you have to say
	something in condemnation of bloodthirsty savages.
	You can stop and tell that reporter, of course I condemn that, that's awful.
	I still do not agree with the way Israel is run.
	I still believe them to be colonizers of my land, or of my ancestors' land.
	You can say whatever you want, but say, of course I don't support the beheading of babies by bloodthirsty savages.
	But when you refuse to condemn that barbarism, you identify yourself as a barbarian.
	I hope that is in no way ambiguous.
	I hope that is in no way unclear.
	When you refuse to condemn savagery, you reveal yourself to be a savage.
	When you refuse to identify yourself, or excuse me, when you refuse to condemn barbarism,
	you reveal yourself, you identify yourself as a barbarian.
	Sharia Tlaib, Jihad Omar, all of the rest of the Hamas caucus in the United States House
	of Representatives, when you support Hamas, you are Hamas.
	Make no mistake about that.
	I'm Bob Franson for Dr. G. One more segment, we'll get your call coming up.
	I'm sorry, in America first.
	I'm sorry.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	Final segment of America First on this free-for-all Friday.
	Let's squeeze in as many calls as we can in these last few minutes.
	We're going to go to Sephora.
	Am I saying it correctly?
	In Los Angeles on line two, Sephora.
	Welcome to America First.
	Go right ahead.
	Alright, do I have Sephora on line two?
	Okay.
	Yeah, she's probably on speakerphone waiting for somebody to call her name, and she missed it.
	Sorry about that.
	We'll go to Jim in Cleveland, Ohio.
	That's my location.
	Jim, welcome.
	Go right ahead.
	Yes.
	Your question was, what does Israel do now?
	And this is an idea.
	You have two million people in that area.
	And you have to go in, send in the troops, and go house to house.
	You have to arrest everybody and separate the wheat from the chaff.
	And if Iran supports them, then one gets destroyed and the other gets put on a boat and goes around the Arabian Peninsula and gets dropped off at a seaport in Iran.
	Thank you for taking my call, Bob.
	Thank you for making the call, Jim.
	I appreciate it.
	Let's go house to house and root them all out.
	I don't disagree at all with that.
	John is in Indiana.
	John, welcome to America First.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, sir.
	Boy, I've been waiting a long time.
	I'm a Vietnam veteran.
	I got common sense.
	God bless you.
	We need to close the border now.
	We've got too many Hamas and Hezbollah in our country.
	We need to stop spending money Because our country is bankrupt.
	We need to get a Speaker of the House, and they ought to do it in public, so we know who's voting against.
	And I got some new news for ya.
	Do you know that aircraft carriers shot two cruise missiles at two missiles coming from Iran to Israel?
	I did hear about that.
	Yes, sir.
	Thank you and God bless you for your service to our country, Vietnam veteran.
	Thank you so much.
	Yes, I did know about that and it is very interesting to find out whether or not Iran is going to get a little bit more frisky, a little bit more involved in this whole thing besides just funding it.
	Thank you so much for the call.
	I've got time for one more from Sandy in California.
	Sandy, go right ahead.
	Hi, Bob.
	Thank you for taking my call, sir.
	I've called before.
	I want to make it very, very clear to a lot of Americans.
	You have no idea what these people are about.
	I mean, I know you do, Bob, but a lot of people, especially these liberal, quote, college educated, unquote, brats, I like to call them.
	I challenge any one of them for a history lesson, okay?
	I will give them some facts about what they did to the indigenous people of the Christian land before... Sandy, the reality of this is, dear, and I appreciate your call, but I've got to let you go because I'm out of time here, but I would submit to you, forget about the history lesson.
	Tell them to find Israel on a map right now.
	Hand them a world map and watch them take 20 minutes to find Israel.
	They don't know.
	They have no idea.
	Thank you, everybody.
	Thank you to Jeff, Eric, Alex, Guy, the whole team, and thanks to you for listening.

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