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Elsa, it's Lynn.
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I'm on United 93, and it's been hijacked, um, by terrorists who say they have a bomb.
Apparently, they, uh, have flown a couple of planes into the World Trade Center already, and it looks like they're gonna take this one down as well.
Hopefully, I just wanted to say I love you, and I'm gonna miss you, and, and please give my love to her, and, Mostly, I just love you, and I just wanted to tell you that.
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First voice, Lauren Catuzzi-Gancolas.
Pregnant.
Talking to her husband, Jack's voicemail.
And then, Linda Gronlund.
On flight 93, talking to her sister.
Giving her the code to her safe.
Because she knows what's going to happen to her.
That was 22 years ago this week.
An event that We don't analyze enough these two plus decades later, especially why it happened.
And as a result, I'm going to do something a little bit different.
No monologue at the top of the show.
And in fact, I'm going to do something I don't think I've ever done before except with President Trump.
We're going to have one guest for the whole hour because he can help answer that question and also bring us up to date on many other issues as well.
There used to be a breed of such a thing as an investigative journalist.
There's about three of them left in America, and one of them who kind of defines it, whose bylines have appeared in any newspaper magazine of worth.
I'm not even going to read them because they're far too long.
I'll just say this.
Brian Lamb, the legendary Brian Lamb, he of C-SPAN book club interviews, said interviewing this man was one of his greatest interviews ever.
And I'm honored to count him as a friend.
Rich Miniter of Zenga News, welcome to the studio.
Thanks for having me.
Right, so I thought of bringing you in studio because of one of the seminal works you wrote, which was losing Bin Laden.
Will you help us not just understand what happened on September the 11th, but why it needn't have happened in the first place?
Well, two things.
First of all, listen to those voicemails you played at the top of this hour.
That's the human side of this that gets lost in every conversation about 9-11.
It's about geopolitical theory, terrorism, but behind this are real people whose lives were suddenly cut short.
Think about, as listeners should think for a moment, if you had 30 seconds or a minute to talk to the people you really loved right before you died, what would you say?
And you're under great pressure with armed, bearded, masked men roaming up and down the aisles.
You don't have a moment to compose yourself.
You're not writing a sonnet in that moment.
But you are writing out some emotional poetry that we just heard.
And I'm sure those voicemails by those families have been played a thousand times.
More in the beginning, but I'm sure at family gatherings and other things, those moments still come up.
Those are her last words.
But the other thing that we should talk about, about those voicemails, is why they were created.
Why did the hijackers allow those voicemails to be created?
To spread terror, to spread misery.
They wanted hundreds of voicemails all across the United States, as emotional landmines laid across the entire country, to magnify the evil that they were in the midst of doing.
This was conscious.
They knew this.
They allowed this.
Most people don't make calls, especially in 2001, from an airplane.
The FAA says to this day, I think, that cell phones interfere with air traffic control and flight.
An implausible yet consistent argument from them.
But at that moment, the hijackers didn't care.
They wanted to spread the human misery.
Which is essential to terrorism.
Yes.
But terrorism is not simply about striking fear.
It is about seizing power.
For those extremist ideologies, either whether on the left or some academics would say that the Al-Qaeda people are on the right, I think that's foolish and misguided, but they will say that.
Terror is a technique to seize power.
They create emergencies so that people just act from panic because they know their ideas could never be voluntarily adopted.
They have to stampede people because quiet, patient reasoning would never result in the policies that they desire.
In the case of Al-Qaeda, it's to go back to a vision of 7th century Islam.
And when you read the fundamental texts of Al-Qaeda, it only accepts the first four caliphs of Islam.
Uthman is the last.
He died 40-some years after the death of Muhammad, the Prophet himself.
So after that, they think that the message was departed.
So they're trying to return to a brief period of time about which very, very little is known.
And they're willing to kill other people to do it because they want to create dictatorships.
People who reach out for emergency powers are usually interested in creating a mini or an actual dictatorship.
Yeah, that was the...
The thing that was the Damascene moment for me as a child who grew up, the child of refugees who escaped Both the fascist system and a communist system, the more I read the works of the likes of Bin Laden, Zawahiri, Saeed Qutb and others, I realize this is another form of totalitarianism.
It's not godless, it's not worshipping the state or the working class, it's worshipping their 7th century Allah.
But it is totalitarianism.
Yes.
It is in fact very, the theology if you will, is very similar, right?
This is a lot more Marx than Mohammed.
Yes.
And in fact you can lay out all the similarities in the thinking of the radical terrorists
and the thinking of Karl Marx.
For example, why don't ordinary people accept the ideas of radical Islam or Karl Marx?
Because of false consciousness.
Saeed Khutub says this.
Yes, the key thinker for the Muslim Brotherhood.
Yes, he is the original philosopher, spiritual guide of the Muslim Brotherhood.
And Saeed Tuttab is fascinating.
He wrote two books that really still matter among the terrorists.
One is the one you just mentioned, and the other is called In the Shade of the Quran.
And in both of those books, he lays out a vision of what he considers democracy to be the enemy.
He says this very explicitly.
He says democracy is a waste of time because we already have the laws from Allah, and those laws will be interpreted according to him and his compatriots.
And democracy is pointless because all it could do is either ratify the existing laws of Allah, in which case it's redundant, or it could contradict the laws of Allah as he understands it, and therefore get in the way.
Either way, it's unnecessary.
And also, I think it's in Milestones, he writes that democracy, or modern republics, are run by men, which posits the lawgiver as man, which is blasphemous.
The only lawgiver is Allah.
So you can't live in a republic or a democracy because then you'll posit yourself as the creator.
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11 and 12 again, please.
11 and 12.
John, in the past couple weeks, the president has lied about being at ground zero the day after the September 11th attacks.
Falsely claimed he saw the Pittsburgh Bridge collapse.
Claimed his grandfather died in the hospital days before his birth.
What is going on with the president?
Is he just believing things that didn't happen, did happen?
Or is he just randomly making stuff up?
The president was Actually, that's coming with that.
That's coming with that.
Go to 12.
In the broader sense, the war was lost.
We were fighting the Taliban and their allies for 20-plus years.
And they prevailed in that capital for a lot of reasons that we don't have time to go over today.
But sure, lots of regrets by a lot of us.
From 9-1-1 on.
You know, wars aren't lost in the last 10 days or 10 months.
Typically, they're the cumulative effect of lots of turns and twists over many, many years.
And this war, when the final history is written, will prove to be the same.
All right.
And then give me cut four and then cut five.
I couldn't tell if you cut away to Kevin McCarthy or a commercial for low tea.
Because yesterday's impeachment is somehow today's not impeachment.
Good gracious, if we actually have to go make the case against Joe Biden, let's hope we have effective people like Jim Jordan and James Comer making the case and maybe turn off Kevin McCarthy's microphone for a while.
And on the McCarthy side though, now that we are here in the middle of this week, do you think he has made it clear that Republicans are closer to impeaching Biden, further from it, or status quo no change?
I can peel back the curtain here.
McCarthy is going to advance an actual impeachment on Joe Biden, a lot like he was going to advance an impeachment of Ali Mayorkas.
Remember back in January of this year he kept saying we were going to impeach Mayorkas and the people that were blocking his speakership were blocking the impeachment of Mayorkas?
Well once Kevin got power, all of that just went by the wayside.
And I think you're witnessing the same gaslighting and the same illusion and the same mirage right here.
He doesn't really mean it.
He knows he broke the deal in January.
He knows there are enough of us in the Republican conference who want to hold him to that deal.
And so he's throwing impeachment out like an ill-caste lure, and he has no real intent to follow through.
By the way, if he did, we'd subpoena Hunter Biden.
Like, if this was a serious effort, call it an inquiry, an impeachment, oversight, whatever you want.
If you were really serious, you'd subpoena Hunter Biden and get answers.
They're not serious, and that's why you see this failure theater in the absence of real accountability.
Failure theater, okay.
Coming in with Cut 11 and then PhD after that.
Yes, yes, correct.
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It doesn't have to be super heavy, because we've got three.
John, in the past couple of weeks, the President has lied about being at ground zero the day after the
September 11th attacks.
Falsely claimed he saw the Pittsburgh Bridge collapse.
Claimed his grandfather died in the hospital days before his birth.
What is going on with the president?
Is he just believing things that didn't happen did happen, or is he just randomly making stuff up?
The president was Deeply touched and honored to be able to spend 9-11 with military members there in Alaska and some families.
And was honored by their presence and the chance to make an important set of remarks about why we need to continue to remember that day.
And he did that.
And he spoke about a visit to Ground Zero, which he did participate in, about a week or so after the event, and what that looked and what that smelled and what that felt like.
And it had a visceral impact on him, as it did so many other Americans on that terrible day.
And he's focused on making sure that an attack like that never happens again.
After Mark Milley, probably one of the most disgraceful insults to a military uniform, former Admiral Kabul Kirby, who is now justifying the lies that were told by the current Commander-in-Chief as he's hiding in Alaska, the first time ever in 23 years that somebody from the White House from the Oval Office, wasn't in New York or Washington or Shanksville, Pennsylvania for the anniversary of the biggest terrorist event in the modern age.
And then he says, I was there on Ground Zero the day after.
No, you weren't, Joe, you liar.
You didn't go there for nine days, more than a week.
Let's talk about the truth of those days and the years before it actually occurred and why it occurred with the man who's written extensively on the global jihadi threat.
The book of greatest relevance today is Losing Bin Laden, also the bestseller masterbind about KSM Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
How many times did a former president have an opportunity to neutralize the threat that was Bin Laden?
Was it one or two?
No, Bill Clinton had almost a dozen opportunities to take Bin Laden out.
So, good intel of where he was.
Knew who he is, what he's planning, and then decided not to deal with him because?
The Sudanese offered to arrest bin Laden in 1995 and turn him over to the CIA.
I've been to Khartoum, I saw the head of the Makabarat, which is their external intelligence, and I've seen the documents, in English, that were sent to Bill Clinton and the Clinton administration.
And this was a credible offer because Bin Laden was living in Sudan at the time.
In fact, I later visited Bin Laden's former house in a neighborhood called Khartoum 2, which is part of Khartoum, the capital of Sudan at the time, Africa's largest country.
And the Sudanese had arrested Carlos the Jackal, another terrorist, and turned him over to the French just months before.
The most famous terrorist of the Cold War.
Yes.
And so Carlos the Jackal now lives in a French prison.
And the idea of the Sudanese is let Bin Laden live in an American prison.
So what was the problem?
The problem was the Bill Clinton's administration.
They were concerned that if they brought a criminal case against Osama Bin Laden in 1995-1996, that Bob Dole would attack them on the campaign trail and that they might lose the case.
Hang on, hang on.
After the first World Trade Center attack of 1983, they thought it would look bad to
have the man behind it in an orange jumpsuit?
Yes.
They thought they might lose the case.
At the time, I looked at an internal State Department cable that referred to Bin Laden as a moving bank.
They saw him as a financier of terrorism, not a director of terrorism.
The NYPD had failed to translate a lot of the key documents from the 1983 attack, or refused to share them with the FBI and the intelligence services, so they didn't yet draw the connections showing that al-Qaeda was behind the 93 attack.
Ramzi Youssef, who carried out that attack, is the nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who planned the 9-11 attacks.
And they were both acting pursuant to the same 1987 fatwa from an Iranian cleric.
Now, you've done more work than most on all of these events behind the scenes across the years.
We have, of course, the tome that is the 9-11 Commission Report.
The alleged inability to connect the dots and the State Department not talking to the CIA and the Embassy in Ankara issuing tourist visas to the hijackers.
You've sifted through all of this.
What's the truth?
Where was the ball really dropped?
Was it just procedural ineptitude within government?
Or was it cowardice? Was it politics?
If Richmond had to give us a verdict on why 9-11, where would the scale fall?
Well, first let me say that the 9-11 Commission Report, which is an excellent body of work,
drew a number of its witnesses from my book, and that's not speculation from me.
Philip Zelikow, who's the staff director, said so, that they went through my book
and found witnesses they hadn't found before.
And interviewed them and quoted them.
No surprise to me.
Right. So, thanks for that, Mr. Zelikow.
The way to answer that question is to broaden it a bit, right?
The problem with the modern left, I don't mean the left of the 1930s or before, I mean the post-1960s left, is it has a very hard time dealing with evil.
Yes.
And its preferred method of dealing with evil is law enforcement, because that puts you into a rational process with procedures and motions and counter motions, and both parties have rights, and they can't be accused of mistreating people because the defendant has rights, including the presumption of innocence, and so on.
The problem with violent evil is that it doesn't always lend itself to a law enforcement approach.
And in fact, the fights between CIA and FBI were exactly this.
CIA was like, first of all, let's detect these people, let's track them, let's map their networks, then let's grab them and go after their foreign sources of cash and their foreign sources of direction.
The FBI was worried about making cases.
When you make cases, you can't flip them as easily to find out about their overseas paymasters.
Also, the Al-Qaeda designed, especially the World Trade Center attack in 1993, some of the terrorists were designed to be caught.
They wanted law enforcement to get what it called the expendables.
So, if you remember the case of the guy who returned the Ryder truck... Yes, after 93, after World Trade Center 1.
Right.
And why didn't he just flee the country?
Well, he had a ticket given to him by Ramzi Youssef, But it was a child's ticket.
He wasn't able to fly on it.
He was trapped in New Jersey.
So then he said, I need money to upgrade the ticket.
They said, we'll return the van.
He was designed to get caught.
Right.
Because he was a loose end that went nowhere, right?
And law enforcement would tie itself up trying to prove that this character, right?
They understood the weakness of the American.
They knew our system and they knew how to game the system.
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That was a big part of it, but it wasn't the only part of it, right?
I mean, again, they just, they don't like the exercise of American power, especially military power, and they have a hard time acknowledging evil.
Well, and they refuse to accept the relevance of ideology.
Right.
When Biden has this, when Brennan's first speech as CT director, he says the cause of terrorism is upstream factors like poverty.
You go, dude, no.
Have you ever read Sidekotov?
No.
No, in fact, we know a lot about the demographic information about Al-Qaeda, right?
And the educational level.
Right.
Most of them are married with children.
Most grad.
Many of them have PhDs, not in religion, by the way, but in engineering, science, medicine, exactly.
And they come from intact, upper middle class families.
These poor people form guerrilla movements, right?
Upper middle class people form communist-like characters.
Or the Shining Path.
The weathermen weren't guys from the Ford factory.
Or the Shining Path.
Yeah.
Right.
Except for their leaders.
Yeah.
And look, what they can't acknowledge is that from 1950 onward, political violence almost
entirely comes from the left.
Yeah.
Right.
And so they're afraid of getting into ideology because that would ask a lot of tough questions.
And they want to find a way to ally with some of these radical jihadist movements, which don't actually want to ally with them.
They're the people who they most want to kill.
Well, they want to shoot them first, right?
That's the irony of, you know, the left doesn't understand where they are on the target list.
90.
Where are you on this AI bugbear, this boogeyman of AI?
AI is going to save the world.
So you like it?
I'm super pro AI.
OK, we should get you back to talk about that.
So there are two elites in America, I think.
Come in with 12 and then I'll do my pillar.
And the bottom elite, the non-accountable elite, is going to be devastated by AI.
That's why they're telling you it's the end of the world.
Because think about all the clerk-like jobs that they do that all could be automated away.
Well, including most legal filings, basic accounting, etc.
That's so fascinating.
Accounting dies.
Dies.
Dies.
Right?
You end up with a small cluster of accountants who are super high level.
Yeah, specialized, whatever.
Who have unique insights.
The logarithm will do your regular... All of it.
Have you written about that?
No, not yet.
In In the broader sense, the war was lost.
We were fighting the Taliban and their allies for 20 plus years.
And they prevailed in that capital for a lot of reasons that we don't have time to go over today.
But sure, lots of regrets by a lot of us.
From 9-1-1 on.
You know, wars aren't lost in the last 10 days or 10 months.
Typically, they're the cumulative effect of lots of turns and twists over many, many years.
And this war, when the final history is written, will prove to be the same.
Mark, I'm white and I want to know what white rage is, Millie.
Saying that we lost the war in Afghanistan, which is weird because you're still the chair of the Joint Chiefs for a few more weeks.
So why are you still there?
If you presided over that loss and the disaster that was the surrender of Kabul, why didn't you resign?
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Rich, let's bring it up to date.
You heard Mark Milley there, the loss of the war in Afghanistan.
How safe are we compared to 22 years ago?
On 9-11, this administration gives $6 billion back to Iran.
Give us your estimate of the situation now.
Well, first of all, Milley's comment is staggeringly ignorant of both current history and American history.
One of his talking points, not in this quote, is that this is America's longest war.
That's only if you play games with the definition of America.
Yes, from 1789 onward, it's probably the longest war, although you could define other wars.
But certainly it's not the longest war in American history.
The French and Indian wars were far longer and much more similar to the war in Afghanistan, where you're fighting warlords who are disorganized, right?
But backed by a foreign power, which takes us into the present day.
We were not fighting the Taliban or Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.
We were really fighting Pakistan.
Who funded, trained and equipped and provided safe haven?
When bin Laden was killed, he was killed 400 yards from the Pakistan equivalent of West Point.
I went and looked at the zoning records from Islamabad.
How did he get this piece of land?
Well, in fact, he bought it from the Pakistan version of Sandhurst or West Point, their officer called.
So that land was actually under the control of their military academy, the Pakistani military academy?
Yes, and it was transferred to Bin Laden in 2003, while the United States was hunting him.
That's why it's that unusual shape, by the way.
Yes, that kind of triangular shape.
Right.
They were able to have it off.
They got it through their elaborate zoning procedure, because it's an immensely bureaucratic state, that is Pakistan.
But Pakistan ISI, their intelligence service, Uh, asked the US repeatedly in the first few months of the war not to bomb certain targets because they were still evacuating their ISI agents from those places.
These were Al Qaeda training camps.
Their agents are there, and they're saying, don't bomb it.
We've got to get our guys out.
That's how thick as thieves they were.
So we leave our SIVs, our allies, our friends in Afghanistan, but make sure not to bomb the Pakistani agents working with the jihadis.
Two or three months before, about two and a half months before the tragic end of Afghanistan, I sat with the Pakistan ambassador for an hour.
He said, oh, there's nothing to worry about.
And I said, well, aren't you concerned that there will be a flood of refugees into the border cities?
Because in the 1980s, with the Russian invasion, millions fled Afghanistan into Quetta and other border cities in Pakistan.
And I said, are you preparing for extra food supplies, tents, so on?
And he goes, oh no, there'll be no refugees.
And he was right.
Because they had already planned the takeover.
They probably had a number of secret conversations with the White House, the Biden White House.
And Pakistan essentially runs Afghanistan today through the face of the Taliban.
What does it say to you?
We've got 30 seconds in this segment, but we'll keep you on, of course, Rich.
What does it say to you that nobody resigned who wore a uniform after Afghanistan, after the surrender of Kabul?
We're living in a post-honor age.
Beautifully put.
We are living in a post-honor age.
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www.retro-money.com Yeah, it's like, it explains so much of what they do.
Yes.
The inability to even imagine evil.
And it also explains... This is why Chamberlain had a problem with Hitler, right?
What, he's going to invade France?
No, he's a decent chap.
He promised me.
Right. Peace in our time.
And they did bad deals that sold out allies, including giving up the mountainous area of Czechoslovakia,
which made it impossible to defend.
And there's a great book from the 60s on this, but that doesn't...
But as they couldn't understand, they weren't dealing with a rational actor
who was maybe misunderstood or maybe had a conflicting interest,
and just satisfy him and he'll go away.
And this is how medieval cities, especially Paris, by the way, dealt with the Vikings, paying them to go away.
And they returned the next season because the ransom was so good, right?
And this is the inability of the modern left, modern meaning, you know, post 1910, to imagine evil.
Yeah, yeah.
But also there's an obverse to it, that if you deny its existence, You will do the unconscionable, right?
You'll think Planned Parenthood is great.
Well you will, if you cannot acknowledge the existence of evil, you are only strengthening it.
Yeah.
And you know it exists.
But you can't say it out loud.
You can't say it.
Because your life, your world view would shatter.
Right.
That's the real psychological issue.
The test of any ideology or any code of ethics is this.
If the more you live by it, do you prosper more or prosper less?
The truer you are to this grab bag ideology that is the modern coalition left, The worst your life is, the worst your health is, your sanity, your depression and anxiety are exceedingly high among the most ideologically devoted followers, right?
Well, and also amongst the, you know, the quote-unquote best educated.
Right, but those people aren't happy.
No.
Which means that the ideology has...
It's not a good thing.
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all three of them just to talk about some of the issues he's opened for us in the first
20 minutes.
One thing you said that I've been ruminating on for years is this question of evil.
When I first worked in the Defense Department, it was under the Obama administration.
I wasn't a political appointee.
Okay, relax.
I was a professor.
And I found a complete inability for anybody in the policy elite to even use the word evil.
Even when talking about Al-Qaeda or generic terrorism, it wasn't evil.
It was a function of poverty, quote-unquote, root causes, upstream factors, lack of education.
You said this is intrinsic to the post-60s left.
Expand on that, please, Rich.
Well, first of all, even in the military and press conferences, I saw this in Iraq and in the Green Zone in Baghdad, after the military spokesman walked off camera, I said, you kept referring to the bad guys.
Why don't you use the word enemy?
He goes, oh no, we have instructions from the Pentagon not to use the word enemy.
It's divisive.
You're at war.
You're trying to kill him.
Right.
But you don't want to be divisive.
This is the inability to imagine evil.
To imagine that there are some people who don't have rational disagreements with you, who simply want to kill you or rule you through fear.
Is a function of secularity or post-modernist relativism?
I mean, if you open any history book on any region of the world, you know evil exists.
So what's the genesis of this absurdity, do you think?
That's a long and complicated question, but the simple version of it is That when you have a desire for power, we're warned that excessive desire of power and the excesses of power lead to evil results.
And so if you're going to meditate on power at all, you have to think about evil.
But when you fundamentally desire, as certain ideologies do, extreme power, you dare not ask moral questions about it.
Secondly, in order to amass power, because it's all about power, you have to form coalitions.
And coalitions can include people who are very disordered, some of whom are actually quite evil.
One of the things the media didn't cover, for example, during Occupy Wall Street, there were a tremendous number, more than a hundred I believe, rapes occurred in those encampments.
Because part of their coalition partners were actual criminals.
In those tents, those happiness quadrants, women were being raped.
And so this inability of the modern post-1960s left to say, no, these people have to be excluded because they are truly terrible.
They are rapists.
They are violent people who harm other people.
And that cannot be part of our movement.
We stand for this.
The inability to draw that line, to shrink the theoretical coalition, maybe give up some power as a result because your coalition is not as big.
When they have to choose between morality and power, they choose power, which makes them not want to examine evil and look at the size and the tragedy of that bargain.
And then what of the obverse?
That if you, as an article of faith, ironically, deny the existence of evil, then really anything is permissible.
Then you can celebrate 800,000 pregnancies a year being terminated.
There's no standard.
In fact, Al-Qaeda says specifically, while you're on jihad, you can break all of the Islamic laws.
You can drink, you can gamble.
There's video of some of the 9-11 hijackers partying in Las Vegas with strippers and alcohol, right?
Breaking all of the rules that they stand for to bring about the very world they want to create, right?
Because they're on a jihad.
There's this other elements of the left have the same idea that you can violate these rules.
And, you know, famously leftists have said, leftist radicals, to make an omelette you have to break eggs.
To which George Orwell responded, we see the broken eggs, where are the omelettes?
But this applies, doesn't it apply to today?
Because today's Democrat party isn't the JFK, Scoop Jackson.
I mean, isn't this a party of radicals, Rich?
Or the establishment acquiescing to the radicals?
Well, there's two things going on.
One is there's a bureaucratic elite That sees its survival aligned with the modern Democratic Party.
But the problem with the modern Democratic Party is the same problem that all center-left parties have in Europe, in Australia, and elsewhere in the developed world.
That their base of support is turning against them.
The working class of all races is increasingly departing from that coalition support.
That's why, for example, we see the working class in France have turned against the Socialist Party and are now supporting Some pretty extreme elements, right?
Brexit.
The Labour Party voted for Brexit.
Right.
The Labour-dominated regions of the Northeast in the UK, for example, voted overwhelmingly for Brexit and initially voted for the Conservatives in that re-election, I think in 2019.
And if you look at some of the support for Donald Trump in 2016, In New Hampshire, pollsters asked, who is your number two choice for president after Trump?
Almost a third said Bernie Sanders.
So what they wanted to do was shake up the system and they didn't think that the bureaucratic elite was serving them.
But the inability to manage to understand evil, which you mentioned a moment ago, And this is the same problem, right?
We need term limits for bureaucrats so that there is a chance for new people with new ideas to come in and you have a circulation of ideas.
If the same ideas stay in place for 30, 40 years and dare not be contested, dare not be challenged, the staleness of these ideas poisons the whole enterprise.
Genius.
I saw it when I was in the White House.
SES, SIS bureaucrats who'd been there for 20, 30 years who thought, elections?
Who cares who the president is?
I'm an SIS at the CIA.
I'm an SES at State.
I get to decide.
Term limits for bureaucrats.
I think there's a certain man in Florida Mar-a-Lago, who needs to hear that idea.
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Because yesterday's impeachment is somehow today's not impeachment.
Good gracious, if we actually have to go make the case against Joe Biden, let's hope we have effective people like Jim Jordan and James Comer making the case and maybe turn off Kevin McCarthy's microphone for a while.
It's getting spicy!
Matt Gaetz is one of the good guys and he's saying his own speaker is like a low testosterone commercial and we need to switch his mics off.
He posted a video about About Kevin not being serious about impeachment.
That he's not going to take it to a vote eventually.
What's going to happen inside the GOP?
Can the bridge, can the gap be bridged?
Well, we will keep you posted.
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Okay, we're going to continue our discussion of the importance of 9-11 and where we are today as a country, whether we're safer or not.
But first I have to talk about something that happened to me that What did Richard say?
We live in a post-honor age.
What a perfect segue to what happened to me last night.
So you'll be hearing the wonderful Conrad Black.
First time back in America in 11 years.
And he's coming to our studio.
And we're going to unpack everything.
He was guest of honor.
He was the keynote speaker yesterday at an event.
I don't want to embarrass the organizers of the event because it's a great institution.
But there's one individual who's associated with the organization that I attended who worked in the Trump White House.
You may have heard of him.
He became notorious for a certain article in the Claremont Review called the Flight 93 Election.
A kind... Oh, I forgot!
It was pseudonymous.
He didn't even have the testicular fortitude to write it under his own name.
He wrote it under Publius Decius Mears.
What a pretentious thing to do.
Anyway, I guess he thinks he's a founding father, writing the Federalist Papers.
The article was influential because it said, you know, the election of 2016, it's the end of the republic or the saving of the republic.
And then he came out of the closet.
By the way, he's obsessed with With couture for men.
He really does think that handmade suits make you.
They don't.
You can look good in them, but it doesn't give you honor, Michael Anton.
And that's who I'm talking about.
I have to bring this to you because it galls me.
And it kind of speaks to an element of Washington D.C.
that I don't want to see on our side, the conservative side.
Michael Anton lied about me in public, and he thinks he can get away with it.
What am I talking about?
The most important speech the President gave, I believe, was his Warsaw speech, where he raised one trenchant question.
Does the West and does America have the wherewithal to fight those who wish to destroy it?
We, Steve Bannon and I, helped to frame that speech for the speechwriters of the president, two months before it ever occurred.
They came to us and asked our assistance.
In a later interview, Michael Anton says, Gawker doesn't know what he's talking about.
He had nothing to do with that interview.
I don't know why I said that.
Vanity, pride.
He was the spokesman for the National Security Council.
But it was a lie.
And I have witnesses.
And he refused to apologize.
Michael Anton, I call you out.
You are a man without honor.
And your behavior last night in front of your current boss was churlish and childish.
And until you apologize, I will continue to call you a man with no honor.
Somebody who does have honor is a great American.
He's the former mayor of New York.
And we continue our oral history from Rudy Giuliani that we were honored to record.
And he addresses some of the most scurrilous theories about 9-11.
Here's a clip.
First of all, it's hard for me because I lived through it, so I know it was a plane.
I know it was a plane.
I know how it happened.
I know, I mean, there were people who say, well, if they couldn't have melted the steel.
Well, it had thousands and thousands of pounds of jet fuel burning, and it burns it like 4,000, 5,000, 6,000 degrees of Fahrenheit.
And we burn steel.
That's how we make it.
Yeah, I mean, steel burns.
I've heard people say, well, steel doesn't burn easily.
Of course it burns.
If you have the right temperature, you burn it.
Well, think about it.
You had this airliner in the middle of the building, or maybe a little more than the middle of the building, sitting there leaking.
Massive amounts of gasoline into the building, and then the fire is getting greater and greater and greater.
It was explained to me that very day by Charlie Hirsch, the medical examiner, when he was explaining to me that I wasn't going to recover any bodies.
I said to him, Charlie, how many body bags do I need?
He said, you're not going to need many, because you're not recovering bodies.
You're recovering pieces that we're going to do by DNA, because the bodies were pulverized and they evaporated.
He said, if it burned the steel, what do you think it did to the human body?
Okay, Charlie, I got it.
You know, I can retrospect, all these things are easier to think about.
Sometime, I don't know how or what it would have changed, but I wonder why I didn't think of, or Bernie, or Pete, or whatever, didn't think of the fact that all this gasoline was pouring into the building and that it would melt it.
Now, I'm not sure I would have known that it would have melted it until now, until this point, but now that you tell it to me, it makes all the sense in the world.
And to those who believe it today.
You know, I had one woman ask me something like that at the University of Oklahoma.
I was at Oklahoma State.
I was giving a lecture about this.
This one woman, a very nice woman, asked me this question about why do we give all the steel away so nobody could really examine what happened to it.
Like, why did I let the FBI give all the steel away?
I said, well, first of all, we didn't give any steel away.
What she's talking about is we gave away little pieces of steel that people could use for memorials after the entire investigation was done.
But her thesis was that we gave it away because if you looked at the steel, you'd have been able to tell that Bush was really responsible for it.
And I actually got so frustrated.
I did it nicely, though, as a joke.
I thought I was going to get thrown out of college.
I said to her, ma'am, you know, you've asked me now four times and I told you.
I said, first of all, while I was the mayor, which was four months, I don't think I gave any steel away.
All the steel went to Staten Island.
The FBI has it.
And by the way, the mayor doesn't get to give away every steel.
She said, well, maybe your predecessor, maybe your successor Bloomberg gave it away.
I said, well, I don't think he had the authority to give it away.
But in any event, that isn't the way it happened.
She said, well, you're just wrong.
I said, OK, could I, a really helpful suggestion, I said, Oklahoma or Oklahoma State is a great
university.
They have a great psychology department and I'm sure they have some great psychiatrists.
Would you please go see one?
I mean, just get some help because this is, you're, what you're saying is beyond irrational.
We don't need that.
We've got enough problems.
No, I don't know why, but does that happen all the time?
It does.
It happens with the Kennedy assassination.
But there, at least you have some issues like, you know, one shooter, two shooters.
There are a couple of, could it have actually happened that way?
I can see how people would have different opinions about this.
You can see the picture of the plane going on the building.
I mean, what if somebody make up the picture?
Beyond the crazy conspiracies, we're more than 20 years later now.
Do you think most Americans outside of New York Can I properly appreciate what happened here on that day adequately, Mr. Mayor?
Ooh, that's a very good question, Sebastian.
Well, probably not.
It's like saying, can I properly appreciate what somebody went through in the Second World War if I wasn't in it?
Or, can I empathize with it?
Sure.
Can I, uh...
Get pretty close to realizing the terrible horror and terrible, yeah.
But I think it's impossible to see you or me to go through something that somebody else went through when it was so horrific.
I'm just referring to myself now.
I don't know if I can possibly adequately describe to you what it did to me to see the man in person jump out the window, and then I watched his body.
Probably shouldn't have done it, but I did, and it had an impact on me.
Probably impossible for anybody else to have that impact except to empathize with me and realize, my goodness, it'd be pretty terrible for me.
Enough with the conspiracy theories.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
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I'm Bill.
Alrighty.
Hello, Matt, can you hear us?
Yeah, can you hear me?
Awesome, we hear you already.
Alright.
Cut five's pretty good, too, if you haven't heard it yet.
Cut five?
He kind of breaks the whole thing down.
Oh, yeah, play it for Matt.
And on the McCarthy side, though, now that we are here in the middle of this week, do you think he has made it clear that Republicans are closer to impeaching Biden, further from it, or status quo no change?
I can peel back the curtain here.
Kevin McCarthy is going to advance an actual impeachment on Joe Biden, a lot like he was going to advance an impeachment of Ali Mayorkas.
Remember back in January of this year, he kept saying we were going to impeach Mayorkas and the people that were blocking his speakership were blocking the impeachment of Mayorkas?
Well, once Kevin got power, all of that just went by the wayside.
And I think you're witnessing the same gaslighting and the same illusion and the same mirage right here.
He doesn't really mean it.
He knows he broke the deal in January.
He knows there are enough of us in the Republican conference who want to hold him to that deal.
And so he's throwing impeachment out like an ill-caste lure, and he has no real intent to follow through.
By the way, if he did, we'd subpoena Hunter Biden.
Like, if this was a serious effort, call it an inquiry, an impeachment, oversight, whatever you want.
If you were really serious, you'd subpoena Hunter Biden and get answers.
They're not serious, and that's why you see this failure theater in the absence of real accountability.
Ready to have some fun, Matt?
I'm ready to have some fun.
All right, let's talk about Pelosi first, and then we'll use that cut from Gates.
Uh, give me... Oh, let me hear six, and let me hear seven.
Six.
Don't ask if it's working.
It's very small.
But let me be very clear with you.
Matt is upset about an ethics complaint.
I don't care what they threaten against me.
I am not going to interject into an independent committee like ethics.
And I'm not going to put Swalwell back on the intel committee.
Does anybody believe that, that Gates wants to put Swalwell back?
Anybody believe that?
No.
Okay.
I don't think that Gates wants to put Swalwell back on the Intel Committee.
I do think that Gates has issues with the Ethics Committee.
So, the first part of that's right.
And what does that mean?
He's been under investigation by the House Ethics Committee for the last several years.
Right, okay.
And he thinks McCarthy can end it, and McCarthy can't end it.
He doesn't control the Ethics Committee.
They asked Gates about that too, about what McCarthy said there yesterday on MSNBC.
They asked who?
Gates.
And what did he say?
He said McCarthy lies more than a dead dog.
Play the next cut.
Is Vice President Kamala Harris the best running mate for this president?
He thinks so, and that's what matters.
Do you think she is the best running mate, though?
She's the vice president of the United States.
People say to me, well, why isn't she doing this or that?
I said, because she's the vice president.
That's the job description.
You don't do that much.
You know, you, you know.
Thanks.
All right.
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Let's talk to the man who has The best understanding of this fetid swamp that is Washington, D.C.
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He's our buddy, Matt Boyle.
Matt, welcome back to America First.
Dr. G, always a pleasure.
Great to be here.
All right, we're going to talk about what's happening in the GOP, but first let's talk about what's happening.
Let's talk about Nancy Pelosi.
Let's talk about first She's a little strange in her answers as to what she thinks of Kamala Harris.
I don't know if she's dissing her, or this is another kind of Mitch McConnell-Biden moment, kind of, you know, fried brain, but let's just listen.
Cut 7, Nancy with Anderson Cooper.
Is Vice President Kamala Harris the best running mate for this president?
He thinks so, and that's what matters.
Do you think she is the best running mate, though?
She's the Vice President of the United States.
People say to me, well, why isn't she doing this or that?
I say, because she's the Vice President.
That's the job description.
You don't do that much.
You know, you're a source of strength, inspiration, intellectual resource, and the rest.
And I think she's represented our country very well at home and abroad.
Yeah, except at the border.
I don't know if she didn't study English in school.
It's not the job description.
Vice President is the job title, Nancy.
But Matt, I'm confused.
Why does she seem utterly incapable of saying Kamala Harris is doing a good job?
It's mind-boggling, and I think she's throwing some, you know, Nancy-style shade at Kamala there.
Yeah!
And then I think in the same interview, or it might have been a different one, she was also not very confident that Joe Biden will be the Democrat nominee next year either.
So I think there's some real trepidation, or tepidation, or I don't know what the right word of there is, real concern among top Democrats with this current presidential ticket that they have running for re-election
that they are concerned.
And you look at the numbers. I mean, look, President Trump just took the lead
over Joe Biden in the RealClearPolitics average, and we're more than a year from Election Day.
If we continue on this trajectory, I mean, we could be headed for, I'm not saying that this
is definitely going to happen because there's a long time, a lot of football left in this game,
but the point is that if this current trajectory continues, Trump could be headed for a landslide
electoral victory next year. And the Democrats are very worried about that. They know it. And
I think that they're very concerned about this ticket, particularly Joe Biden, particularly
Kamala Harris.
There's a lot of football left in this game.
Let's wrap up a little bit with two more cuts on Nancy before we move to the GOP.
So Kevin's taken his decision.
The inquiry proceedings for impeachment of Biden are starting and he hasn't taken a vote on it.
And Nancy seems to be forgetting her attitude to impeachment.
So first let's go with cut two.
Speaker McCarthy made the argument the other day that, well, Nancy Pelosi set this precedent.
She waited a long time to have a vote on the first impeachment of Donald Trump.
You did hold a vote, we should add, but he said you made the rules and he's just following them now by not holding this initial vote for an impeachment inquiry.
What do you say to that?
I say that that's hogwash.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
And I don't know why the press keeps repeating it.
Nancy, here's why they keep repeating it and why it's not Hogwarts.
It's why it's not hogwash.
Let's ask somebody called Nancy Pelosi, October 2019.
As the distinguished chairman said, there's no requirement that we have a vote and so at this time we will not be having a vote and I'm very pleased with the thoughtfulness of our caucus.
She's pleased in the thoughtfulness of her caucus that they're not having a vote to start impeachment, Matt.
But the fact is, is that the way that McCarthy is doing this is exactly what Pelosi did in 2019.
And frankly, good for him, right?
Like, I mean, good for him for getting it going.
And by the way, right afterwards, you've started to see now, piece by piece, Uh, people that were holding out like Ken Bach, congressman from Colorado, or like, you know, Senator John Cornyn, Senator Tommy Tuberville, these people are coming around and they're now coming out and saying, now that they've seen the evidence that the chairman, I know that Jim Jordan and Jamie Comer have gone and done presentations for the Senate, now that these guys are seeing this, they're all coming out and issuing statements saying, oh wait,
Yeah, I actually do support this.
So I do hope we get to a vote, just like the Democrats did in 2019.
And I think that we will.
But the fact of the matter was that coming out of the August recess, they didn't have 218 votes.
So the speakers, you know, clearly made a decision that we can't delay any longer here.
And the fact is, is that they've got a lot of work to do.
There are three separate committees doing all sorts of different investigative work.
That's multiple chairmen, multiple members, even more than that, bunch of staffers, etc., that they all need to coordinate, and they need to get the messaging down, and they need to get the committee work coordinated and figure out who's doing which lane and all that kind of stuff.
You can't wait until October for that.
They need to get going as soon as they can.
And so kudos to the Speaker for doing that, and I thought the Speaker's press conference was great earlier on.
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It's the beginnings of an inquiry on impeachment.
But our good friend Matt Gaetz, well, he's not happy.
And here he is on MSNBC, of all places, dissing the Speaker.
Cut five!
And on the McCarthy side though, now that we are here in the middle of this week, do you think he has made it clear that Republicans are closer to impeaching Biden, further from it, or status quo no change?
I can peel back the curtain here.
Kevin McCarthy is going to advance an actual impeachment on Joe Biden, a lot like he was going to advance an impeachment of Ali Mayorkas.
Remember back in January of this year, he kept saying we were going to impeach Mayorkas and the people that were blocking his speakership were blocking the impeachment of Mayorkas?
Well, once Kevin got power, all of that just went by the wayside.
And I think you're witnessing the same gaslighting and the same illusion and the same mirage right here.
He doesn't really mean it.
He knows he broke the deal in January.
He knows there are enough of us in the Republican conference who want to hold him to that deal.
And so he's throwing impeachment out like an ill-caste lure, and he has no real intent to follow through.
By the way, if he did, we'd subpoena Hunter Biden.
Like, if this was a serious effort, call it an inquiry, an impeachment, oversight, whatever you want.
If you were really serious, you'd subpoena Hunter Biden and get answers.
They're not serious, and that's why you see this failure theater in the absence of real accountability.
Matt, you know the Hill better than most.
How serious is this?
Is this real?
Is this personal?
Or is this, you know, Matt Gaetz just expressing the frustration of so many in the Freedom Caucus and the voters, especially when it comes to, you know, the spending insanity and the Speaker not addressing that?
Yeah, so I think there's a few things to unpack there.
First and foremost, I think that Matt Gaetz is expressing a lot of frustration that a lot of conservatives have over the course of the year because they want to see more and rightfully so.
I also think that there's a deeply personal beef between Congressman Gaetz and Speaker McCarthy.
The two of them have had, you know, deep history that goes back a long time and it just it is what it is.
I wish they would drop their differences and focus on the mission here because the mission is important.
Thirdly, I would say that I do think the speaker is serious about this.
From my conversations with him and with people around him and with other members throughout
the conference, we've done interviews now with several of the members of the various
committees that are going to be doing this, including some of the chairmen.
The fact is that this is proceeding.
This is a very serious impeachment inquiry, and I fully expect that eventually we're going to get to a vote, just like the Democrats did in their impeachment inquiry into President Trump in 2019, and then I don't know when or where or if we get to articles of impeachment.
We'll have to see as the facts come together, but I do believe that we will probably end up there, right?
Well, we'll see.
It would be really weird if we didn't get to an actual impeachment vote.
We've got 60 seconds left.
I've got to ask you, are you celebrating tonight?
Are you going to have an adult beverage?
Because Pierre Delicto, Mittens Mitt Romney, he's not running again, Matt.
Are you sad?
I'm actually going to kind of miss writing about Pierre Delecto.
He's awful human, but he's also a great foil, if you will, right?
He's a great villain, right?
We need villains in this business too.
We need heroes.
We need obvious rhinos to point at, right?
Exactly, and so we're losing a great villain, but we are, you know, it is good to see a really bad guy go down.
Yeah, good riddance to bad trash.
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We've spoken to her compatriots at the Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising, PAAU, which she is actually the founder of.
She's going to tell us in a moment what she's doing, but first I want to dig into some of the things I've read about her and her background.
Teresa Bukovinak, welcome to America First.
Thank you.
It's a pleasure to be here.
So you had a press conference earlier today, we'll talk about that in a moment because it's big news, but we've talked to Elise Ketsch from your organization, the progressives who are pro-life, and I'm reading in preparation for this meeting, and I see this statistic and I want you to unpack it for me.
One in four Democrats oppose abortion?
What does that mean?
What kind of abortion?
And I thought it was like, you're not allowed to be a Democrat if you don't love Planned Parenthood.
Well, it does seem like that.
Yeah.
But the reality is that the number has fluctuated between 1 in 3 and 1 in 4 for some years.
But it's 1 in 4 consider themselves actually to be pro-life.
And the majority of Democrats, I believe like 64% according to even the most recent 2023 polling, reject abortion for elective reasons in the later trimesters.
So it's not an unusual thing to be a pro-life Democrat.
What is unusual is to see any pro-life Democrats in Democratic leadership or that reflected, that kind of diversity reflected in the party platform.
Yeah.
So, we covered, I think it was earlier this week, that time flies by, this shocking case of pro-life activists from your organization who were arrested and have been found guilty under the FACE Act because they found out the truth about this horrific individual, Cesare Sant'Angelo, who seems to be Not performing abortions, but delivering babies and allowing them to die after they're delivered.
How do people of the left like yourself end up being so candidly and courageously pro-life?
Because for a conservative it's like you go, hang on, what's the logic here?
Can you talk us through your journey a little bit?
Sure, I'd love to.
I became pro-life as an atheist.
I used to be a meat-eating, pro-choice Christian.
But when I lost my faith, I started to think about life in a different way.
What's right and wrong and why?
And when I lost kind of the faith that there's a life after death and that there's a divine justice, that God's going to right all the wrongs in the end, I started to think about things like animal rights and abortion.
And I just couldn't square these things away with What we believe about human dignity and equal human rights.
It seems like if you have this incredible chance to have this unique experience in the universe, who has the right to take that from you?
Hang on, this is fascinating.
Your belief that God didn't exist made you more pro-life.
It made me pro-life.
Because you thought, well at least the only thing we have is life.
Exactly.
Okay.
All right.
That's fascinating.
I never even thought about it like that.
I don't care where you come from politically.
If you're fighting for the unborn, you have my support.
Well, today I've declared that I am running against Joe Biden in the 2024 Democratic primary as a pro-life Democrat.
Why?
Are you crazy?
I mean, he's the establishment.
He's got everything.
He's got the DNC.
He's got the big donors.
He was actually, I can't believe I'm saying this, he was at my neighbor's house last night.
We had to go through Secret Service to go down our driveway because Joe Biden had taken over our part of Northern Virginia.
You know how much the Democrats love education?
They closed the local high school at lunchtime because Biden was coming at 6 o'clock.
That's how much they care about education.
So, tell us, why are you doing this?
Well, I'm doing this not to win an election, not to make it to the White House, but to disrupt the status quo within my own party.
I'm here to create a space for pro-life Democrats like myself.
I didn't even call myself pro-life until I saw other secular pro-life people Saying that they were pro-life.
So I know that if I'm going to challenge this abortion extremism within the Democratic Party, I'm going to need to draw out Democrats like myself.
And that means they need to see representation.
And additionally, I am trying to show the American people what abortion extremism does to unborn children.
I've seen it up close and personal.
And any federal candidate must be allowed to show their ads on any FCC TV station.
Uncensored.
So you are going to be a troublemaker?
Absolutely.
Okay, superb.
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I want to see this woman on a stage with Robert Kennedy Jr.
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Why aren't Democrats allowed to be pro-baby, pro-life?
Why?
It's because of the... It's an occult?
What is it?
It's not...
Exactly a cult, but it is a toxic financial relationship between the abortion industrial complex and the Democratic Party.
This is the problem of abortion in America.
This is the relationship that most needs to be disrupted, and if no one else is stepping up to do it, I'm going to.
You know what?
I had no idea where this was gonna go.
I'm impressed.
I think we might have to get her on my Newsbank show.
I love disruptors.
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Because I worked for one.
His name's Donald Trump, the ultimate disruptor.
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Well, your moving discussion about 9-11, it roars back to me how Marx and Mohammed are simply the same monster wearing different masks and burqas.
And as I study the Koran, I see how it seems to be the mother of the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf.
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Somebody who is one of your favorites on the show.
A regular who supported it for years now.
And for the first time ever, he's in studio.
We are delighted to have with us none other than Baron Black of Cross Harbor.
Lord Conrad Black.
Welcome in studio, Conrad.
Thank you for having me, Sebastian.
We had a wonderful lunch.
We can probably reprise much of what we discussed over lunch.
Let's, before we get down to business, you're here for the superb Larry Arndt Hillsdale College Constitution Day as the keynote speaker.
I'm sure we'll be playing clips of the speech once it has been archived.
But before we get down to business, let's just put Lord Black's books up on screen, one by one.
The book of greatest relevance, especially in the next 15 months, is Donald J. Trump, A President Like No Other.
You've written also Roosevelt, Champion of Freedom, Your Life in Full, Richard M. Nixon.
You've got A Life in Progress, an autobiography, A Matter of Principle.
I actually have two of those books here, and I have exploited the opportunity to have you inscribe them.
I'm so excited.
I ran to my office this morning.
I said, got to grab at least a couple of the books, and they have already been inscribed.
Thank you, Lord Black.
If you find a book with his name on the spine, buy it.
You will not regret it.
Where to begin?
Oh, it's been 11 years, I believe.
What is it like to be back in the United States, Lord Black?
It's a great pleasure.
It's actually something of an emotional experience.
And I had a lengthy vetting procedure re-entering yesterday, but it was pre-arranged and it was conducted most courteously, very agreeably.
And it's unnatural for a person as interested in the U.S.
as I am, having been for many years a homeowner both in New York City and in Palm Beach, And having owned, at one time, with my associates, more than a hundred daily newspapers in this country, in thirty different states.
Out of the Hollinger Group?
Yes, and I've been in almost every state of the country, and I have friends in most states of the U.S.
It's quite unnatural to be outside the country and just seeing my American friends when they come to to Canada or
to England so it's it's it's
it Whatever the
They're all cliches, but it closes the ring Seals the wound ends. You know, it's just a closure to an
unfortunate and aberrant period in my life
Well, you have so much you can share regarding the common experience that you have with President Trump of the legal system being used against you.
We can talk about what lessons you've learned and how they apply to the future of the President, but let's use the apropos of the 11-year hiatus.
The last 11 years in American politics, where we were 11 years ago and where we are today, As somebody who follows American politics so keenly and so closely, are you concerned for what's happened in the last 11 years?
I am.
I am.
But I'm an optimist.
I mean, as you know, I've written about American history, and I've written a history of the United States, and a strategic history.
It's not a comprehensive history of the American people, but of the Strategic development of the country.
So it's largely on the politics of America.
And it is a system that does possess the genius of survival.
The challenges to it now are not as severe as those that faced President Lincoln.
And not as severe as those that faced President Franklin Roosevelt.
And they're certainly not as severe as those that faced Washington and the founders of the country.
And the solutions are identifiable, and the people who apply the solutions are in sight.
So, you know, I'm an optimist, but it's been a terribly difficult period for the country, certainly.
When you say the genius of America, what is it that makes it so different?
And you've written this strategic history of the country.
Why do you have that interest, and what is it that puts America into its own sui generis category?
The greatness of America is not just that it has half of this rich continent, and not just that it has the English language and the best of the British tradition.
Of course, they rebelled against the British, but they kept the best of the British common law tradition.
And it isn't just that.
It is the statesmen they get when they need great statesmen.
And even if not great statesmen, statesmen extremely adept at dealing with the problem most pressing.
I mean, a man like Mr. Nixon, who I think was in fact an outstanding president, but
there were clearly certain problems with his presidency, but he was precisely the man needed
to resolve the terrible problems he faced.
When he came into office in 1969, there were riots everywhere in the country all the time,
anti-war riots and race riots.
And he settled all of that down very successfully.
And there were other problems with him, but he dealt with the problems he had to deal
with.
And as President Johnson before him left office with the terrible problem of Vietnam,
More than half a million draftees at the ends of the earth with no, you know, 200 to 400 of them coming back dead every week with no exit strategy and no negotiations going on.
But he settled or at least started the definitive settlement of the legacy of slavery.
I mean, he produced the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act and got them adopted.
And only he could do it, a Southerner.
So you get the man you need, or person you need, woman, whoever it is, and that will happen again.
How does the 45th president fit into that, the man the country needs at a given time?
I believe he is actually the person to deal with the current problems.
I think the key, and I don't want to be presumptuous or gratuitous here, these are terribly complicated things and I don't want to seem to be giving glib answers.
For what it's worth, I've thought about it a lot and I think the fundamental key to the present American political situation is the last election despite the fervent and almost unanimous locked arms determination of the American media to proclaim that Trump had his day in court.
There's nothing to his complaints about the election.
Approximately half the public are aware that that is not the case.
You had millions and millions of harvested ballots which were not Actually voted by the people who supposedly signed them and could not be verified.
Yeah.
And in such an election where 50,000 flipped in three states would have changed the result of the election.
I think there's no doubt that Trump has legitimate grievance.
And until that is addressed, you're going to have half the people alienated.
But if he is re-elected, of course it will be a terrible disappointment to the people
who dislike Trump or the other half of the people, or most of them.
But it will resolve the moral problem.
You give him back the office that he was probably wrongfully deprived of, and I think he would
be, after all he's gone through and all the courage he's shown fighting the preposterous
and outrageous attempts to derail him prior to his first election, all the time he was
in office and since then.
I think he will be a good president, strengthened by the adversity that he would have had to surmount to regain the office.
What has you most worried, given your knowledge, the discrepancies from 11 years ago today, what has you most worried about America staying America?
The number of people who hate America.
Who are Americans.
Americans.
In the national sense, self-aiding Americans.
In the elite, especially.
Yes, and there have been positions of influence, yes.
I mean, they're throughout the academic community, and they're throughout the media, and entertainment, and you know, the celebrity field.
And look, to the extent that people want to improve their country, it's a good thing.
But to the extent that they decline to give their country the credit it deserves for what it's achieved, it is not a good thing.
I mean, look, I accept that the African-American community still has a number of legitimate grievances.
I wouldn't dispute that.
Everybody should remember that no country in the history of the world has made the efforts the United States has to take up a previously forcibly servile community, a subjugated racial minority, and raise it up, not just emancipate it, Like in Brazil or something.
But raise it up to absolute equality.
And no one else has tried that.
And it's a tremendously bold and ambitious as well as admirably just thing to do.
And it is substantially successful.
But it's not complete yet.
But the answer to it is not to denounce America as a racist society, which it isn't.
The answer is to say, well, yes, look, we've come a long way and we have a way to go and we'll get there.
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If I can just go to a strategic level and a historic level for a moment.
I've always wrestled with this concept that, and you're writing a new magnum opus on the
history of the West.
We'll discuss that in a moment.
But there really is no example in history, is there, of a civilization surviving for
long if a sizable number of its elite detest that civilization.
Where did this begin?
Is this the remnants of the 60s?
Did the people on the streets of Chicago during the days of rage, when they became university professors like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dawn, is that when this was set in motion?
How did we arrive at a point where the most powerful, most successful nation in the world seems to be run by people who hate it?
I think it was, again, this is a terribly complicated subject.
It's a country of a third of a billion people, and there are those in the world who try and claim that all Americans are a stereotype, but this of course is rubbish.
It's the most complicated country in the world.
But I'll have a stab at it, in a spirit of humility.
And I think it's a combination of the succession of triumphs that the United States led.
It provided the balance for victory in World War I. It produced the means for Britain and Canada to remain in the war after the fall of France.
And then, when plunged into the war, it led the Allied nations to an overwhelming victory over Germany and Japan.
And then it led the democratic world, or at least the non-communist world, to a complete and bloodless victory in the Cold War.
The most astounding defeat Oh, as far as I could detect a word of triumphalism.
There was no gloating.
There was no mocking of Russia at all.
Union simply disintegrated without a shot being exchanged and and the
Americans absorbed this without, as far as I could detect, a word of
triumphalism. There was no gloating, there was no mocking of Russia at all, none of
it. Yeltsin was treated with respect, Gorbachev was treated with respect, as
they deserve to be, and Russia is a great nation. But you had this tremendous
victory.
Of the American strategy of containment, which started out with the United States claiming it was the free world against the communists, even when most of the so-called free world were dictatorships like Spain and South Korea and many of the South American countries, but most of them are now democracies.
So you have this great flourishing of democracy.
under American leadership.
And the complete elimination of a foreign enemy, an identifiable foreign threat, I think, created a complacency and a vacuum in which there was a focusing on domestic shortcomings.
And then, combined with that, you had a new phase of the emancipation of the African Americans And a sense by them and by their sympathizers, the majority of the non-black population, that fine, the rigors of segregation had been substantially eliminated.
But what Mr. Lincoln called the bondsman's 250 years of unrequited toil, that had not been atoned for.
And America should face up to the fact that it had been a racist society, it had entrenched slavery in the Constitution originally, purged it after the Civil War, a hundred years of segregation, which was not slavery, but it wasn't It certainly wasn't equality.
And this was a terrible thing that it hadn't faced up to.
And I think all of this got mixed up together in a kind of a loss of perspective that, yes, it's not a country without its shortcomings, but on balance it's been a tremendously positive force in history.
And I think it is one of these things that just went out of balance, but the balance will come back.
Is what we're witnessing in the last 10 years a reaction to that?
Because I think it's not an exaggeration to say that the quote-unquote populism or the recrudescence of national sovereignty, whether it is President Trump, America first, Farage and Brexit, or Modi in India, Or Maloney in Italy?
Is this a natural swing of the pendulum?
Or how do you explain this phenomenon that there seems to be a global resurrection of populist movements?
Yeah, that I think, of course, all these societies vary to some degree, but I mean, no one would say that Italy and the United States are identical, though they're both advanced, important countries.
I think you do also get a backlash on traditional, what used to be called Meliorist liberalism, you know, sort of do-goodism, you know, the people kind of mocking that and saying that that was just tokenism, it was just superficial and you really have to Take much sterner measures to root out the evil in our society.
And so I think there's an element of rejection of traditional, moderate liberalism in the American sense of slightly left of center.
And all these things got mixed together and you just, as a society, became too self-critical in too many strategic places.
And there is, the populism is in part a backlash against that.
I mean, this is what You know, Mrs. Clinton called the basket of deplorables and what President Obama, then candidate Obama, talked about when he was referring to people who took out their failings and frustrations in religion and firearms.
Cling to their Bibles, yes.
And their guns.
And it shouldn't be disparaged.
It is people who sense and vary in their ability to express it,
but sense that it is a good country and it doesn't deserve to be disparaged and dishonored in
this way.
And I think that is quite a universal phenomenon amongst established countries with established borders.
And you always hit a bedrock of people who say, wait a minute, this country isn't perfect, but it's my
country and I love it and it's a great country and we'll make it better.
But the establishment, quote-unquote elite, seems to treat this as an aberration, a blip,
we can ignore the Trumps and get back to business?
In this particular country, and especially in this metropolitan area of Washington, I think all of us, perhaps, including many who live here, underestimated the tenacity of the bipartisan Washington establishment that was
comfortable, what Trump refers to as the swamp, where the presidency changes hands every one
or two terms, and both houses of Congress change hands fairly often, but the government,
they're all Democrats.
I mean, over 90% of people in the District of Columbia are Democrats and vote Democratic.
And so it's moving steadily to the left.
And the Republican element tend to be Republicans who are resigned to the ultimate Democratic drift and are not uncomfortable with it.
And the, you know, the Trump faction, which is clearly the preeminent faction in that party now, is not of that view.
I mean, they're not comfortable with it, they don't accept it, and they're determined to stop it.
And that is in itself leaving the personalities and even the policies out of it.
That is a good thing.
I mean, it means that the you know, the incumbent is being challenged and there is an
alternative, which, you know, is an essential to having a functioning democracy.
And I would even go so far, and I do this with difficulty because I find some of the
conduct so obnoxious, but the tenacity of the Democrats, their recourse to the politicization
of the intelligence agencies and parts of the Justice Department, their prosecution,
furious prosecution of enemies.
It's reprehensible, but it does show that they're energetic.
They are in some ways a corrupt governing elite, but they're not a complacent one.
They're not a defeatist one.
The establishment of France in 1940 was like a rotten apple ready to fall.
And it did fall.
And de Gaulle had to leave the country to salvage the idea of France as a great nation.
You're not at that stage.
It isn't a degenerate country.
It is a country temporarily tormented with an imbalance of self-criticism.
But a very determined, very determined left that is driven.
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I hate that phrase.
I call it a booking photograph.
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The mugshot, the booking photo, is this the greatest own goal of the Democrats to date?
Gotta be one of them.
Yeah, definitely.
It's gotta be one of them.
They don't seem to have learned much from Alvin Bragg, from Jack Smith.
They seem to not draw the conclusion that each of these indictments makes their adversary more popular and raises him even more money.
I think in the first 24 hours, he sold 25,000 t-shirts with the booking photo.
In the first day.
Yeah, and they try and comfort themselves with this.
the wish is father to the thought, you see, that this is just a temporary blip, a natural reaction of people
saying, oh, this poor fellow's been indicted, you know, I feel for him, but it'll, you know, a few weeks later
they will come to the realization, well, a prosecutor charged this man, so he must be guilty, whether he smoked
this fire, all the usual nonsense, you see, and, but I think where it comes from is, as you know, and your viewers
and listeners know, the Trump haters simply can't accept that there's anything positive about him.
Like, when they hate, they really hate.
I just find him somewhat distasteful when they hate him.
And when his name is mentioned, as I said to you at lunchtime, a trapdoor flies open in their foreheads and a cuckoo bird flies out and starts screeching.
And even highly intelligent people, like my friend George Will for example, just start babbling nonsense.
They don't make sense, you see.
But it's not just nonsense, it's vituperation.
When you have erstwhile conservatives talk of a man as a cancer.
Yes, exactly.
As a disease.
Have you found... Peggy Noonan, who's a lovely person and a gentle person, said he was a tumor metastasizing in the Oval Office.
I mean, this is an outrageous thing to say about any president of the U.S.
What is the genesis?
Do you have any concept or theory as to why this level of seemingly irrational hatred seems to have so infected people who otherwise seem quite normal?
I can see how it started.
I can see that they would think at the outset that he was a bumptious Ludicrous person, you know, shaving the hair off Vince McMahon and, you know, with his Trump University and the Trump health system, which was really just quarterly urinalyses and vitamin pills, you know.
It wasn't a great panacea.
And that he was like a carnival person.
But in that case, you don't take them seriously.
You laugh at them.
You don't have to detest them to... Exactly.
But I think they sort of Doug themselves into the view they started that this is a frivolous campaign he's running for for the nomination to be president just a publicity stunt and then and then they just they never they just retreated from trench to trench but they never contemplated the idea that maybe they'd got it wrong you see and and I think somehow they can't they can't accept after all it's gone on that there is a legitimate
element and a legitimate political program that Trump is personifying.
And so they've dug themselves into a corner, albeit the corner is half the country, and
at the moment includes the administration.
And they just became so fiercely tenacious of that idea, they can't entertain the thought
that maybe they were wrong.
Now you do see people occasionally writing, you know, I had this wrong, and so it happens,
but it's still a very slight trickle of people.
But I think it's just that, they didn't start out with that hatred, they started out thinking
Trump is absurd.
Amusing, even, perhaps, but absurd.
And then it developed into this view that he was a fascist and a thug and a terrible man, all of which is unfair.
But it's become tied up with their own pride now, you see, so they're absurdly protective of their illusions.
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I detest autobiographies.
I find them boring and mostly fictitious.
The idea that somebody remembers what they had for breakfast 30 years ago, I don't buy it.
However, I make exceptions in a handful of cases.
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Lord Black, you have run the gauntlet of overzealous corrupt prosecutors, DOJ in America.
You paid the price.
President Trump pardoned you afterwards.
Can you give us your estimation of the next 14 months?
How serious a threat, not just to his personal freedom, are these 91 charges, but to the fabric of the Republic when we see things like the case in Georgia where one of the felony charges is a social media post telling his followers to watch the Georgia hearings on the election.
What has America stooped to?
Well, look, I think the chances in Donald Trump's case are good for him.
But he is...
Why?
Well, he is an unusually formidable subject of the disposition of prosecutors to oppress
I mean, he's an extremely wealthy man.
He's probably the most famous person in the world.
And he has scores of millions of supporters.
And he certainly has the means to fight very comprehensively against all of these counts.
And of course, as of this moment, he's probably the likeliest person to be the next president, at which point the counts will all fall down anyway.
And, I mean, they're only intended to prevent him from being president, so once he becomes president, if he does, one way or another, they won't be heard of again.
So, you know, his position is, of course, unique.
The person that my heart goes out to, and it's a great many people in practice, are the victims of the way the system works, the plea bargain system.
As a great many of your viewers and listeners would know, enables prosecutors, and they avail themselves of this with depressing frequency, to suborn and extort in calpitary testimony.
If, say, they're after you, they go to the seven or eight people closest to you in whatever function it is that they're objecting to.
And they say, look, here you know Dr. Gorka.
You must have evidence that he did such and so.
And your friends say, that's nonsense.
I don't believe that.
I've known him for 20 years.
He's an honest man.
He wouldn't do that.
They say, well, that's very fine, Mr. Jones, but you better jog your memory, because if you don't, there is a conspiracy to obstruct justice going on here.
You're a part of it, and we'll indict you, too.
If, on the other hand, your memory yields up useful evidence, then of course we will not charge you and we will also give
you a guarantee against prosecution for perjury.
Now, not too many people can resist that kind of pressure.
So a defendant is apt to be facing a bunch of suborned or intimidated witnesses,
former friends and colleagues...
Who've just been threatened.
Yeah, who just couldn't take it and march in and with great personal regret
and give false testimony that on its face is overwhelmingly...
You are a justice reform advocate.
Can this be fixed?
Can this threatening use of prosecutorial power be fixed in America?
I mean, I'm not saying the British or Canadian systems are perfect, they aren't, but any
prosecutor who tried that in those countries would be disbarred.
You are a justice reform advocate.
Can this be fixed?
Can this threatening use of prosecutorial power be fixed in America?
All you have to do is require proper respect for the Bill of Rights.
The fifth, sixth, and eighth amendments guarantee council, access to council, which has been
determined to be council of choice, they guarantee due process, no seizure of property without
just compensation.
Uh...
An impartial jury, prompt justice, reasonable bail.
You don't get that.
Almost nobody gets that nowadays.
And, you know, the prosecutors garrulously pour forth in the media how this person is completely guilty.
There's no question of that.
They have enough evidence to convict him ten times over.
I mean, that poisons the wells.
You can't do that in other countries, you know.
I mean, the prosecutor...
confines himself to the indictment, and there's no comment.
And the grand jury is supposed to, and the authors of the Constitution meant it to be, an assurance against capricious prosecution.
But it's nothing of the kind, you know.
They're rubber stamps.
They just do what the prosecutors say.
They meet in secret.
Now, a person has no idea a grand jury is contemplating recommending an indictment.
And it works both ways.
I mean, where there's a police outrage and the policeman negligently shoots somebody,
the grand juries don't prosecute because the prosecutors say, well, you know, this
this guy, you know, they direct the verdict of the grand jury.
I mean, in Britain and Canada, and again, I'm not saying they're perfect systems, they
aren't, but at least you have a judge, who is not elected, by the way.
You shouldn't elect judges and prosecutors, they're playing for votes.
I completely agree.
And, you know, you have a judge sitting there requiring the prosecution to show why this
indictment should actually be accepted.
And if they don't really have any evidence, the judge is going to throw them out and say, well, you know, we're not laying a charge or anything like that.
But it's all in your Constitution, but it's not being observed.
Those parts of it have lapsed, and they've got to be brought back.
As you said, you gave me a preview of your keynote speech for Hillsdale.
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You've sat on either side of a negotiating table with him.
You were telling me stories about the signature of President Trump and Melania in your guestbook at home when they came to dinner.
Tell a little bit about who this man is that maybe our listeners don't appreciate from your interactions with him.
He's quite different, as you would know.
He's quite different in person to how he seems in public.
You often find that with prominent people.
He's as good a listener as he is a talker.
He never speaks over you.
At a dinner table, he never tries to dominate the conversation.
He's a marvelous raconteur, extraordinarily amusing person.
And charming.
Yeah, and look, I think most people, even probably most of his critics, would admit he's extremely humorous when he sets out to tell a funny story.
And that quality that annoys people of his What he calls constructive hyperbole, but his opponents claim it's just mendacity, it's really New York developers boosterism, you know?
It's just being positive.
Yeah, it's positive-mindedness, you know?
And in person, it's not annoying.
As a public person, it can sometimes be annoying, but to meet him, it's not annoying at all.
It's just he's...
His technique is he boosts everything.
It's sort of the rising tide raising all the boats.
So everybody is good, everything is good, and everything will get better, you know?
But it is a schtick, but it isn't an affectation.
It's his nature.
He's a very positive man.
We have the breaking news of the day before yesterday of the Speaker of the House initiating the inquiry for impeachment.
Is this a good thing?
Is the timing right?
How do you think this fits into the next year and a half in the election?
Well, since it's only an inquiry, and of course we all know that if they voted impeachment, there's no way, I mean, unless things get a lot worse in terms of the evidence, that the Senate is actually going to remove the President.
Because of the requirement of two-thirds of the senators.
But I think it is a good thing because it enables, and that's not just a partisan statement, I think there is enough evidence out there to justify it.
And I mean, my own preference would be that the Bidens have a proper defense here.
I mean, I'm not, you know, look, I'm not an American anyway, but even wearing my hat as an American close observer, My hope is, whoever the president is, I always hope the president does well for the country and for the West.
But there is now a lot of evidence that, not just whistleblower, but some now written evidence that the director of the FBI, Ray, has been desperately trying to withhold, showing that $5 million was paid to Hunter Biden and $5 million to Joe Biden.
At the time that the prosecutor Shorkin was fired on the then vice president's threat to withhold a billion dollars of assistance if he wasn't fired.
And if all of that is confirmed, That is criminal activity, and it does constitute taking a bribe and is specifically stated by the Constitution to justify removal from office.
Now, I would hope we wouldn't get to that, but I think it does justify having an impeachment inquiry.
And that, I believe, heightens the ability of the oversight and judiciary committees of the House to have their subpoenas enforced.
Now, naturally, the Attorney General is very reluctant to do anything in this regard, but I think it raises the ante.
And I think there is adequate evidence to justify it, which there never was in those spurious impeachments of Trump.
And not to mention all the circumstantial evidence, why would the Bidens have 20 shell companies?
Why would a vice president have three pseudonymous email accounts?
So it's about time these facts were aired in public.
I know you're far too modest a man to give the, God willing, the future president advice on a second term.
But if we just put the first Trump term into perspective, if he were reelected, What would you like to see happen in a second term or what would you like to see happen differently in Donald Trump phase two?
I guess I would be hoping that in these years, since he became a presidential candidate,
he has identified the cadres of people to fill the main offices in the White House and
around the administration to affect his program and avoid the leaks that went on and the terrible
problems he had of people betraying him, who had no loyalty to him, in fact, were Democrats
but were just there when he came into office.
We had these appalling, you'll remember, instances of entire transcripts of discussions with foreign
leaders and so on just given to the media.
You can't run a government that way, and certainly not in a great power like this.
So I'd hope that he'd have personnel ready to fill these posts that he'd carefully thought
of for the positions, and that he would keep his distance from the press more.
By all means have the...
I thought his press secretaries were, for the most part, very good, and I'd just have
them deal with the press every day and handle their questions as fully as they can.
But the president, given the hostility of the media, I mean, some of the scenes in the
former president's press conferences were terribly undignified because of the media,
not because of him.
But he, you know, reported saying, do you regret your lies?
Do you remember that?
I mean, can you imagine such a thing being put to President Eisenhower, President Roosevelt, President Kennedy, I mean, President Reagan?
I mean, it's just outrageous.
And so, and then I think...
By the way, some of what I've said he's said himself, so it's not advice he needs anyway.
I'm not suggesting he needs any advice from me, but I think a lot of it he's already taken on board.
I mean, we were talking about this earlier.
Five and six years ago, he had this penchant for saying things that were regrettable, and I don't think he does anymore.
I mean, I don't see... I don't...
Almost never now do I see anything he's said that seems to me undignified or unreasonable or something better left unsaid or could have been better said.
I mean, so I think he's taken, he's clearly raised his game and I think this is one of the factors that his opponents don't recognize.
They think it's 2020 all over again and it isn't.
Biden has Sadly, we're out of time.
We've been doing this for hours.
We will continue, but at a distance, sadly, although I do expect to see Lord Black back in the United States with a bit more regularity.
Last few seconds we have, can you give us a little bit of a tease of the next book you're working on?
Can you tell us what you're writing?
Well, this is my magnum opus.
I'm writing my political history of the world.
It'll be three volumes of approximately a thousand pages each.
First volumes coming out in November, published in this country at the New English Press of Nashville, Tennessee.
And it takes us from ancient history, the Old Testament, Oh, you have.
up to the death of the Emperor Augustus.
Now that may seem like a short time, but by the time you get through all the Greeks and
Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Jews, and Romans, it's an awful lot of history.
But I've got it there in a readable form, I think.
Oh, you have.
I have had a sneak preview, and I thought I was a history buff, and I learned things
already in just the first few pages.
Cannot wait for the next book.
In the meantime, please follow this man at his website ConradMBlack.com and on Twitter at ConradMBlack.
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