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If one of your really good friends, your former colleagues, came to you and said, I have this thing that is being covered up, and I think the American people need to know about it, what advice would you give them?
I would tell them first to pray about it, long and hard.
And I would tell them I could take it to Congress for them, or I could put them in touch with Congress.
But I would advise them not to do it.
So you would legitimately try to protect one of your colleagues from doing what you have done?
Absolutely.
And how do you think that solves being able to shine light on corruption, weaponization, any kind of misconduct that exists with the American people?
It doesn't solve it.
But the FBI will crush you.
This government will crush you and your family if you try to expose the truth about things that they are doing that are wrong.
That happened earlier today, here in DC, Agent O'Boyle, one of the three FBI whistleblowers who are prepared to tell you the truth.
You need to hear it, because these men are the handful of patriots left inside the FBI.
Interestingly, they're young, because they can't be bought by promises of keeping their pensions.
They just want to tell you How the FBI is being used to undermine America, especially if you believe in America and you love America.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
This is America First.
No commentary needed.
Just listen to these men.
Here's Steve Friend talking about, as a young agent, what the FBI have done to him for officially going through the channels to unveil and reveal corruption.
Cut three.
It's my understanding, Mr. Friend, that you went through all of the required regulations at the FBI in order to raise your concerns to your supervisors.
Is that correct?
Yes.
So you followed inside protocol for the FBI, utilizing whistleblower statute protection information regulations through the FBI to make your complaints and information be known.
Yes.
And you did that to your supervisors?
Three levels of supervisors.
Three levels of supervisors, and the response to that was losing your security clearance, shutting you out, losing your job, taking away your pay.
That's correct.
He saw wrongdoing.
He went through the channels.
He followed the requirements of the official whistleblower act.
that provides protections, or should provide protections, to those inside government who seek corruption.
Instead, he lost his job.
He was stripped of his security clearance.
He was a victim of retribution.
Why is he doing it?
Let's listen to him.
Steve Friend.
Cut 4.
I pray that all members consider the information I and my fellow whistleblowers present.
You may think I am a political partisan.
You may think I am a grifter.
You may think I am a conspiracy theorist.
It does not matter.
Simply put, this committee should avoid the temptation to impugn the character and the motivations of the messengers seated before you.
I sacrifice my dream job to share this information with the American people.
I humbly ask all of the members to do your jobs and consider the merit of what I have Is that an unreasonable request to ask all the members of this congressional committee to just consider the evidence being laid out before them by career FBI agents, former military personnel, one of whom has got multiple combat tours in theater, whose patriotism is being impugned?
Chairman Jordan warned them, warned them what would happen to them.
Because the Democrats aren't interested in the truth.
And this was his warning.
Cut five.
We've talked to over two dozen whistleblowers.
People have come to us.
We've interviewed several of those and today three of them.
Three of those brave whistleblowers and a lawyer who represents them will tell us their story.
They will tell us what happened.
What they saw and then what happened to them because they were courageous enough to report it to Congress.
And I just want to tell you guys.
Get ready.
Get ready, because these guys are going to come after you.
You know they are.
Last hearing we had, last hearing we had, we had two journalists, Democrats, two Democrat journalists sat right where you guys did, and these guys tried to get them to divulge their sources.
Someone needs to tell them how the First Amendment works.
And oh, while Mr. Taibbi, one of those award-winning journalists sitting right where you're sitting, was testifying, guess what else was happening?
The IRS was knocking on his door.
So get ready.
But I know you're up to the task.
There is no option for business as usual.
We aren't dealing with people who have policy disagreements with us, who want to serve the American interest but just have a different way of doing it.
No, they don't care about the interests of the nation, only themselves and their power.
How do we know this?
Because they show it to us.
Today they showed it.
When it was an individual sabotaging the president, an O5, an actual colonel, Aleksandr Vindman, born in Ukraine, who was offered twice the job of Ukrainian defense minister while serving in the army, when that person was a real Fraud, an actual fake whistleblower over the so-called quid pro quo phone call to Zelensky.
That man was a hero for the left.
He's now a contributor on cable news.
But these men who are talking about actual political persecution by the FBI, what do the Democrats think of them?
Do they recognize him as Whistleblowers?
And why are they protecting the FBI from those who are calling out corruption?
Don't take my word for it.
Listen to the Democrats.
Listen to one of the most senior Democrats, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who wants to destroy these men.
Cut six.
Mr. Chairman, I'm inquiring, and I was not... And I've told you...
That when it comes to whistleblowers, you are not entitled to it.
That's at the discretion of Mr. Allen.
Mr. Chairman, these individuals have been determined not to be whistleblowers.
These are not whistleblowers.
They've been determined by the agency not to be whistleblowers.
Are you deciding that they're whistleblowers?
Yes, the law decides.
Did you not listen to Mr. Leavitt's testimony?
Did you not read the law?
The law decides that they are whistleblowers.
Did you hear what she said?
The agency determined they're not whistleblowers.
Meaning the FBI.
Meaning the agency that these brave men are testifying against because it's corrupt.
That agency is deciding they're not whistleblowers.
That's the criminal saying I'm not the criminal.
It continues.
Representative Sylvia Garcia.
Cut seven.
More than that, this hearing is an insult to the brave whistleblowers out there who do risk their careers for the good of their country.
This circus of embedded secret accusations puts at risk the critical role whistleblowers play in holding the powerful accountable.
Most whistleblowers aren't interested in being political pawns in Congressional Republicans' games.
Playing politics is holding up the scheme as whistleblowers will make other public servants fearful of coming forward out of fear they'll just be used.
You're destroying them in public and others will be fearful?
Because of what you're doing they'll be fearful?
Do you remember not so long ago, dear friend, when the left hated the man, hated government, hated the Feds?
Oh, gotta protect Daniel Ellsberg from the Feds?
Gotta protect Deep Throat from the Feds?
Why is the Democrat Party desperately protecting the FBI right now?
Ask yourself that one question.
Why?
Because the FBI works for them, not for you.
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He's my co-host for Making Movies Great Again.
He's the host of the Mr. Reagan channel, Chris Coles.
He introduced me to a former supervisory special agent at the Bureau over 20 years in, I do believe, and I think he's got something to say about what's happening on Capitol Hill today.
Mike Van Meter, welcome to America First.
All right.
Well, thank you for having me.
It's great to meet you.
So tell us a little bit about yourself.
How long you were in the... Look just at me.
That's where the camera is.
So how many years in?
What did you do?
And then why are you in the media?
Yeah, so I started out, I was a helicopter pilot for eight years, then I worked corrections, and then I was a DC police officer, and then I spent a little over 20 years in the FBI.
As you mentioned, I retired as a supervisory special agent.
And after that I retired, and I became a therapist, and I work as a drug and alcohol counselor now at a hospital.
And the reason why I'm in the media now is I am running for the Virginia State Senate, but prior to that, and I have my own podcast, The Mike Van Meter Show, And I've been talking about corruption in the FBI for a couple years, maybe several years now, on the podcast.
And that whole thing started with people, when I retired, asking me what the heck was going on with the FBI.
And it's important for people to not only understand what's going on, and you see in these hearings what's going on, and we just had the Durham report, But what's really important Sebastian is how we got here because we can make changes and President Trump, God bless him, made changes.
Fired James Comey, he needed to.
Fired Andy McCabe and the others.
But it's not enough and the problem is is that you need to have people that understand the internal workings of the organization and knows the history.
How we went from here to here and then can go in And clean the agency out, and then work on the promotional system that contributed to this.
There was a promotional system that Robert Mueller used to his advantage to put his people in place, and that's going to be a tough chore to clean out.
But if you do not think that you, if you do not understand how the organization works, and very few people do, and in fact if you haven't been in the organization, you don't understand how it operates, but until we have people that can come in and clean out the organization, you're not going to change anything.
Alright, I need you to explain how it changed, but let's just listen again to one of the whistleblowers today, Garrett O'Boyle, who paints a very, very dark picture of the FBI, Cut 9.
If one of your really good friends, your former colleagues, came to you and said, I have this thing that is being covered up, and I think the American people need to know about it, what advice would you give them?
I would tell them first to pray about it.
Long and hard.
And I would tell them I could take it to Congress for them, or I could put them in touch with Congress, but I would advise them not to do it.
So you would legitimately try to protect one of your colleagues from doing what you have done?
Absolutely.
And how do you think that solves being able to shine light on corruption, weaponization, any kind of misconduct that exists with the American people?
It doesn't solve it.
But the FBI will crush you.
This government will crush you.
And your family.
If you try to expose the truth about things that they are doing that are wrong.
How did that happen, Mike?
What happened to the Bureau, and when did it happen?
Oh, by the way, and if you remember, you and I spoke once before about that.
And you asked me why people didn't come forward.
Mr. O'Boyle there just explained to you, because that's exactly what I said exactly before.
So we're not alone in that.
And how did that happen?
It happened starting... I'm a pre-911 agent.
Louie Afri was the director when I became an FBI agent.
And then when Robert Mueller came in, that was when the 12-year progression under Mueller, and then it continued on under Comey.
Because remember, it was Mueller that referred Comey into the position.
And that is where it started.
And that's where they started bringing their people into the executive positions.
And you can tell even from the report and you can tell from the text that occurred with the whole Russiagate investigation.
You notice there was never anyone in the room that said, hey, what are you doing?
Is this a good idea?
Do you notice there was no one speaking up?
Because if you were someone that would question what was going on, you would have never made it to that position.
But those were people that were groomed by Mueller at first and then later under Comey.
I'm talking about tens of thousands of individuals.
Are you seriously telling me that two people came in?
I mean, Free is corrupt because of the student trust he set up for the Biden children.
So we know now that's been revealed.
But you're telling me like Free, Comey and Mueller corrupted an organization that had been around for decades and had tens of thousands of people.
Is it really that simple?
Yeah, well, you have to understand, and I agree with you with Louis Free, but the organization under him, it was run very differently.
And any agent of my generation will tell you, the organization that we joined, and the organization today, They're completely different.
It does not look anything like it did when I first went into the organization.
First of all, Louis Freeh, when he became director, he saw all the people at headquarters, and that's a big part of the problem.
He pushed those people back into the field because he felt like they should be investigating criminal cases.
Mueller brought all of these people back in, and he wanted to... Remember, 9-11 happened.
Within a week of him being director.
And what he was facing at that time was there was a lot of criticism of the FBI, and he was afraid that the FBI was going to be disbanded.
So he changed how the organization ran.
He changed, and I mean uprooted, how the organization was run.
And he brought people into headquarters and made it a very headquarters-centric organization, where Free did the exact opposite.
So it was a big change.
I agree with you.
Well, we'll talk about that in a second, because Moving people around doesn't necessarily make it a political police force.
So I'm still missing that part of the picture.
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Well, under Mueller, that's where it became a political entity.
It really was not a political entity under Free.
And I can tell a quick story about that, where it became painfully obvious to me at the end of my career how that happened.
And it involves the firing of Comey and how people reacted, how the agency reacted.
Okay, good.
Three and a half minutes.
Alright, can I hear, um, cut eight, uh, give, no, give me, uh, where's Gates?
Gates?
Yeah, cut eight and cut 15.
Okay, here's eight.
Watching House Republicans jump to lay the foundation to defund law enforcement.
My colleagues on the far right are on a mission to attack, discredit, and ultimately dismantle the FBI.
This is defund the police on steroids.
The FBI has been victimized by political capture.
And that politicization has manifested in the targeting of Americans who never deserved to have this government weaponized against them.
Whistleblowers saw those bad acts.
They stepped forward and they were retaliated against and crushed as a consequence.
And our work today will build on the work of Special Counsel Durham, Twelve, please.
said recently that at the FBI there is confirmation bias and over willingness to rely on information
from individuals connected to political opponents and action without appropriate objectivity.
12 please. 12...
It was.
It bears reminding people the Russians intervened heavily to elect Donald Trump.
They engaged in a hacking and dumping operation, hacking Hillary Clinton's emails and dumping them to influence the election.
They engaged in a And then 14.
social media campaign out of a troll farm in St. Petersburg to help get
Donald Trump elected. So there were real things to investigate there and the
Mueller team did, we did in Congress. On the other hand the investigation of the
investigators by Durham revealed little to nothing.
And then 14.
Wow, 14.
That the Russia investigation was always a crock from day one.
It was based on the Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC.
And the Department of Justice knew that.
The FBI knew that.
Department of Justice knew that because an associate deputy attorney general, his wife, You're coming with that?
the firm that put it together and he was a major conduit for this and this was all about
hard left partisans who burrowed into career positions at DOJ and the FBI who hated Donald
Trump and were willing to use the entire machinery of government to try to target him and I'll
tell you if Hillary had won we would never have known any of this.
Their plan would have worked.
Yes.
Alright, got a title line?
Alright.
We'll meet again.
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That the Russia investigation was always a crock from day one.
It was based on the Steele dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC.
And the Department of Justice knew that.
The FBI knew that.
Department of Justice knew that because an associate deputy attorney general, his wife, worked at the firm that put it together.
And he was a major conduit for this.
This was all about hard left partisans who burrowed into career positions at DOJ and the FBI, who hated Donald Trump and were willing to use the entire machinery of government to try to target him.
And I'll tell you, if Hillary had won, we would never have known any of this.
Their plan would have worked.
Senator Cruz making an important point.
If Donald Trump hadn't won the election, we would know none of this.
We'd know none of the borrowing in, the abuse of power, the exploitation of the CIA and the FBI and the NSA to work for the DNC, to work for Hillary's campaign.
They would have been rewarded, of course, but we never would have known about it.
One individual who's shocking, I can't believe I'm saying this, a guy who makes pillows was also targeted by the FBI.
He told the story here, how at a Hardee's, his car was blocked in by three unmarked FBI vehicles.
And they harassed him.
And they demanded his cell phone from him.
Who's that guy?
It's Mike Lindell.
This is happening everywhere.
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We're back with Mike Van Meter, more than 20 years at the FBI.
So in your tenure, you witnessed the FBI change its character.
You said that people were brought back into the center, into the headquarters, into Washington D.C.
But that's just moving bodies.
That doesn't turn it into a political entity.
Talk to us about how it became a political entity.
And when you realized, you said there was a story when you realized how bad it was?
Yeah, we could go on for hours talking about the gradual transformation politically of it, but when I was at headquarters, one of the things, if you work for the government, whether it's the DOD or DOJ, when you go into government buildings, you have a picture of the Commander-in-Chief and the Attorney General, your chain of command in the pictures.
The bosses are on there.
And that's done the day that that person takes office.
But one of the things that I noticed when I was at FBI headquarters and at the Academy, because I worked down there as well, I noticed that Trump's picture and the Vice President's picture up and the Attorney General's picture wasn't up.
For about a year and a half, it went up.
So after the election, Obama stays there.
The AG doesn't change.
No, they just didn't have a picture there.
Oh, they didn't put anything up?
Right.
They didn't have the pictures up.
And down at the Hoover building, I actually asked about that.
I went to the Photoshop and I said, hey, I've noticed that the Commander-in-Chief's picture isn't up.
And I was told that that was because the print shop was backed up.
It was backed up.
But anybody that has spent time in the government understands that is done immediately that day.
So that's one example.
The other example was after James Comey was fired, There was just a lot of ruckus in the office.
A lot of ruckus in the office.
And there were people that were upset.
And that's when I knew that there was another change.
Because in all my years in the military, and prior to that time, when you work for the federal government, you're a sworn law enforcement official or a military officer like I was, we don't talk politics in the office.
You're apolitical.
Apolitical.
But what happened was, in my unit and units around the FBI, people came in and they were upset.
They would openly talk about how they didn't like Trump.
They had t-shirts made with Comey's picture on it and it would say Comey's Homies on it.
Coffee cups with Comey's Homies on it.
In the office?
In the office.
And I went and I pulled my unit in, because I only had my Spain of Control, and I brought those people in and educated them on the Constitution, their role in the government, and the fact that we follow whoever the American people elect.
And their response?
Their response?
Well, they had to follow my direction, so they did that.
So later, just a real short, quick story.
You've got 30 seconds.
So, I actually went before a promotion board, and there was a board, and we had to give an example for the promotion about a difficult situation in the office, and how did you handle it.
I used that example, and I gave it to the board, and I ended up not being promoted.
And they give you a write-up, and they said that SSA Van Meter spent, instead of talking about leadership, he talked politics.
When really, my point to them was... Not to talk politics.
Not to talk politics.
Okay, we could continue for hours.
We also have to invite you back to talk about your campaign for the Virginia political life you are choosing.
But please go right now to the website vanmeter4virginia.com and follow this man at vanmeter4virginia.com.
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He's a good friend of the show.
He's Joining us today, because he's a former MMA champ, but we've discussed, well, what happened in Afghanistan after we surrendered.
We've discussed his book, Saving Aziz.
But we're going to talk about what happened on the New York subway recently.
Chad Robichaud, welcome back to America First.
Thank you.
Thank you, Sarah.
Thanks for having me on.
Chad, before we jump in with your take on what's happening to that Marine, I just got
to get your reaction to what's happening on Capitol Hill today, when we're having young
FBI agents saying, I'm telling my fellow colleagues not to speak out because the bureau will destroy
you if you dare speak the truth about corruption in federal government.
Did you ever think, as a Marine with multiple tours who's bled for this country, did you think you'd ever see that on national television?
I never thought I would and, you know, it's continuing to just It's become such commonplace to see stuff like this happening in the upper echelons of our government.
There's no other way to describe this, and this word's been thrown around a lot, but at this point, the word treason is the only thing that fits, that's appropriate.
I mean, every one of these FBI agents, from the bottom all the way to the top, made an oath, and they didn't make an oath to the organization, they made an oath to the American people.
We're seeing the American people come second to loyalties to political parties and ideologies and organizations and institutions.
This behavior is treasonous, what we're seeing, and there's no other word to describe it.
Adelaide, we brought you on to discuss your amazing foundation, Mighty Oaks, that helps veterans to prevent suicide amongst our vets.
We've talked about what you've done for our allies, the interpreters, our friends in Afghanistan.
But let's talk about another issue.
You reached out to us about a fellow Marine, Daniel Penny, who was charged with manslaughter because he tried to protect people on a New York subway restrained this individual who is threatening to kill the
people on that car, the driver of which was calling in repeatedly to 911. You had something
interesting to say based upon your background as an MMA fighter. Would you share that with our
millions of listeners?
Well, first of all, I think it's very important to know that these things have become so politicized
that someone like the average everyday citizen who would do the right thing like Penny did,
was just to step in and help his fellow man.
Most people that we see in instances like this, hold up their cell phone and record these things that I've been watching on social media.
I'm like, why is somebody holding their cell phone?
Why is a man holding a cell phone, not helping women and children and people that don't have the ability to help themselves?
Why won't they stand up and do the right thing?
And then when someone does, because of these political ideologies, these radical political ideologies, they're charged.
You know, he did what any man should do, but especially what the United States Marines train to do, which is defend people who can't defend themselves.
He believed that he was in danger.
He believed everyone in that train was in danger.
He couldn't call 911.
The train was underground.
There was no way to escape.
There was no way to get people to safety.
And he was faced with Uh, Neely, who was, you know, a threat, a clear threat to hurt someone.
And he did the best thing that he thought was possible.
And that was to restrain, uh, to restrain Neely with a rear naked choke or a vascular restraint to hold onto him and keep him from fighting.
We don't know why he died.
It's certainly a tragedy that he died, but I don't think Penny was trying to kill him.
He was trying to keep him from hurting innocent people.
And your, your contention is that's a good way to restrain somebody.
That's not the way you want to kill somebody.
It's the best way to restrain someone.
I mean, look, he could have went in there and punched him in the face 50 times.
He could have kicked him.
He could have picked him up.
He could have threw him down.
And maybe he would have got hurt too.
The best way, if I'm in a situation like that, the best way I'm going to restrain someone is a rear naked choke, a vascular restraint.
In fact, it probably takes six to eight seconds to put someone unconscious.
You know, he's not a professional.
Penny is a Marine.
He's not a professional fighter.
I think a lot of times people think, oh, he's a Marine.
He's probably highly trained in hand-to-hand combat.
Unfortunately, not true.
I'm a Marine.
I'm proud of that.
But unfortunately, that's not true.
He probably did the best he could.
With the limited training he had?
But the point here is you're slowing down the blood flow to the brain to induce a subconscious state.
You're not choking the oxygen out of the lungs.
You are making them fall asleep.
That's the whole point.
That's right.
Your carotid arteries go from your earlobes down to your collarbones, and if you cut those off and you stop oxygenated blood from going to the brain, someone will pass out if it's done correctly.
We don't know exactly how that choke was done.
We have no idea what other things he was under the influence.
George Floyd hopped up on all kinds of things, fentanyl, you name it.
So the point here is, You said it about three minutes ago.
He did the right thing because people were in danger.
I mean, and that's what it comes down to.
What it really comes down to is, Penny didn't create that situation.
Neely did.
In fact, I think ultimately who's at fault is not even Neely.
I think it's the district attorney's office of New York City.
Look, this guy was arrested 44 times.
Not only arrested more than 40 times, he was prosecuted of assaulting a 60-year-old man, a 60-year-old woman, spent four months in prison for attempted kidnap of a seven-year-old girl, and what?
He's the hero?
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Um... I know you wanted the monologue posted, ASAP.
ASAP.
Yeah.
The viciousness of the Democrats.
Bye.
Um... On full display?
On full display.
Okay.
And then... Agent Van Meter?
Komi's homies.
Yeah.
Komi's... Moller and... What?
Moller and Komi politicized the FBI.
It was Moller and Komi who politicized the FBI.
That's it, that's it.
And Robichaux.
Daniel Penney did the right thing.
Yep.
My fellow Marine, Daniel Penney, did the right thing.
That, remember the other FBI guy we had on, he said the same exact thing that it was Mueller right after 9-11?
Yes, yes.
Gray, right.
Wasn't it- No, no, not Gray, it was the other guy, Baker.
Remember the guy that had the Wall Street Journal op-ed?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was on phone.
Yeah, and he said the same thing too.
Didn't you say it was like Mueller wanted his old job back and Trump wouldn't give it to him?
Yeah, totally.
He was interviewed.
He was interviewed.
And that's why Rosenstein brought him back as special counsel to destroy Trump.
Wow.
Give me 16.
Give me 16.
President Biden keeps up a I know Sebastian well
Listen to him.
He's with us.
Who's this crazy host who asks for clips to be played eight seconds before you go back on air?
Eric, who is this guy?
He sounds like a very great boss, in my opinion.
Oh, such a smooth... I wasn't even watching the clock and I'm wanting to listen to cuts.
Nicely done.
All right.
We should probably go to calls.
I don't think we've had any calls.
Where did that hour go?
We're going to have another FBI whistleblower on with us in the second hour.
Your calls as well.
I'm going to make time in the second hour.
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Yeah, hi, Dr. Gorka.
Don't you remember the Hatch Act when you worked for the government?
I know!
I was under the Hatch Act.
I wasn't allowed to do anything political.
That's right.
All those FBI folks, they were breaking the law.
Bingo.
That's all I do.
That was my comment.
it. Thanks. Okay, short and sweet. All right, let's go back to the cuts. We have Adam Schiff.
Adam Schiff should take up a position as a stand up comic.
He has something to say about Hillary Clinton and the FBI. This is cut 13. Play cut.
The only conclusion that he seemed to want to push of a novel character
is that somehow Hillary Clinton got more favorable treatment by the FBI than Donald Trump.
But of course he ignores the fact that the Clinton email investigation was discussed publicly by the FBI right up until that October surprise by James Comey, whereas the Trump investigation was kept completely confidential.
Yes, there was disparate treatment.
And Hillary Clinton got the far worse end of it.
But that is something that he conveniently ignores in his report.
Hillary Clinton was treated worse by the FBI than President Trump.
Okay.
Eric, when did they raid Chappaqua?
When was Hillary's house raided by the FBI?
Oh, I think that must have just happened.
That might be breaking news because I haven't heard of it before.
It didn't happen?
Maybe.
It didn't?
Did she have any of her employees at the State Department arrested and put in leg shackles at Reagan Airport?
Maybe in the pages of a fiction novel.
Yeah, that would be... I think I might have to write that book.
Oh, and when she broke the law 13 times and put top secret emails on a private server, she was charged with 13 felonies, right?
She didn't even get a slap on the wrist as far as I'm concerned.
Oh, she got nothing.
I actually, un-Christian of me, I apologize, mea culpa.
I detest Adam Schiff and I always will.
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First, the news.
Governor Ron DeSantis is expected to launch his presidential campaign next week.
Do you believe it, Eric?
Haven't we been told this before?
I remember being told this about three weeks ago, that next Monday it's happening and he's going to announce.
I mean, you know, it's like the boy who cried wolf.
Do you believe this report from Fox?
At this point, I think I do believe it and I'm prepared to admit I was wrong because I thought he wasn't going to jump in.
But yeah, at this point, I mean, the signs really seem to be there now from DeSantis and from His pack and his supporters.
So yeah, I think it is happening now.
Mr. G, are you excited about the big announcement from Florida?
I think it's 100% going to happen because there was a lot of details with this one.
Before it was just rumored that he was going to announce.
Oh, hang on!
He's announcing it with the people.
He's going to like, you know, the steel mill or something.
Where is he announcing it?
What's the location?
Yeah, with the big donors.
Oh.
Even though in his book he said he really identifies, even though he grew up in Florida, with people in western Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio.
So he's fighting for the average American by announcing it at a big donor's dinner?
Yeah, and then his real kickoff event is going to be a week afterwards.
So the VIPs get to smooch with him early?
Yeah, and I bet it's going to be a week-long fundraising blitz.
Oh, I'm glad we got the facts right.
Alright, I need your input on this as well.
This is going the rounds.
No, I need your input.
I need your input.
Thank you.
I want to bring my team in, okay?
That was a heavy monologue.
I want people to be able to breathe out there.
You've got millions of people who were taken to a very dark place by me and the FBI whistleblower.
So let's have a little bit of a break for a moment.
Because the Daily Mail is... When I put a survey up on Twitter, within a day I get about 5,000-6,000 people responding to my surveys.
Now the Daily Mail is reporting a survey of 1,571 voters that states the following, and I need to run this past my team, the sniff test.
Does this pass the sniff test?
This is Andrea Cavalier, and it is rather Cavalier.
Biden would defeat Trump by an even bigger margin than in 2020 if the election were today.
Your reaction to that result, to that prediction?
Let's start with you, Alex.
Do you believe that if the election were today, Biden would win by even more?
Is this if they cheat or if they don't cheat?
Ooh, straight to the... like a dagger straight to the heart of the issue.
I presume the survey did not include a stipulation as to whether or not the election was based upon theft of ballots.
So let's just say they voted in good faith on this poll and no cheating was inferred.
It's gonna be a bloodbath and Trump's favorite, for sure.
Okay, alright.
Eric, your response to this WPA intelligence survey?
That is the beginning of the campaign to try to artificially boost DeSantis to stop Trump.
They know he can't really beat Biden.
He won't!
He has not been tested on the national stage yet.
He has a media that mostly praises him, again, because they see him as The lesser of two evils versus Trump.
The moment he's the nominee, they're gonna roll out the accusations that he abused dogs, that he killed women with cancer, you know, all this stuff.
And he's- Hang on, hang on, don't forget, don't forget that I love the one about Romney.
What was it, the one they did?
Gave somebody a noogie in high school.
Oh, I forgot about that one.
The noogie.
The noogie accusation.
Exactly, yeah.
I'm sure DeSantis was the one getting a lot of noogies in high school, personally, but you know.
Do you believe this, Guy?
Do you believe that most Americans would vote for Biden today?
First of all, sir, I think Biden should not run.
And based on his health condition, I don't think he's capable of running for the next term.
You think he's not going to run?
Well, I mean, I think he will run, but he's not capable of running.
He's not capable of walking upstairs.
You're absolutely right.
And I don't think he will be able to stay on the stage for more than 20 minutes, stand on the stage more than 20 minutes so far.
Yeah, he's going downhill very rapidly of late.
Mr. G, I just, I can't do it.
I'm sorry.
I sound cynical, but I can't do anything but laugh at this.
It's a garbage poll.
Yeah.
Do you want to know why?
Why?
Here's the first thing.
If you look into, you know what they said, how many people thought the country is on the right track?
22%.
78% of the country is on the wrong track.
But these same people would re-elect Biden by seven.
And did you catch the footnote of who did this poll?
Well, it says WPA.
I've never heard of them before, and it was shared in the New York Post.
Give us the real details.
Oh, hang on, hang on!
It's connected!
Isn't it connected to DeSantis?
Not really.
The CEO of the polling company, Chris Wilson, he's the senior advisor to the Ron DeSantis PAC.
Uh, excuse me?
Yeah, the CEO of the polling company is the senior advisor to the Ron DeSantis pack.
So this is like president, this is like me having a polling company doing a poll for President Trump winning.
Yeah, and I also don't see DeSantis' numbers in there either, which is interesting.
OK, I want predictions now.
I think he's going to get in.
He's going to think he's really, really cool.
He's going to be super confident.
And I think that I think if there are debates, I think in the second, I think President Trump's going to be really play it cool in the first debate and in the second debate.
DeSantis gets cocky.
And President Trump destroys him.
Your predictions, Eric?
I absolutely think he is not prepared to take on President Trump.
You know, the guy who had debate singers like, you know, only Rosie O'Donnell.
Rand Paul shouldn't even be on this stage.
You know, Lil Marco.
Like, DeSantis is not going to be able to handle the banter and he will crumble under the pressure.
Mr. Jay DeSantis v. DJT, I hope it stays close.
Why, why, why, why, why?
Because I think when Trump kind of seemed like he wasn't as interested a little bit over the winter when DeSantis wasn't really a threat, once he started getting closer, Trump has really turned it on the last three or four months.
It keeps him focused.
He needs a challenger.
It helps out Trump.
So I want it to stay close.
All right.
But it could be Biden because Biden is just so amazing.
I mean, at least Mika and Joe Scarborough think so.
This is the latest entertainment from that very strange show.
Morning Joe, cut 16.
President Biden keeps up a brutal schedule.
There is no question that there is a tremendous difference, and this is understating it incredibly, between the amount of work that he puts in in a day compared to former President Trump and his executive time.
Biden and Dr. Jill Biden, they are very giving of themselves.
They show up at everything.
They give their time.
What happened to Joe's hair?
What happened?
He had brown hair yesterday.
Now he's blonde.
What?
I don't get it.
I'm confused, Eric.
What happened to Joe Scarborough's hair?
Who knows, but I love... The more they keep trying to project onto Trump, like, you know, he's orange, man, he has fake hair.
They're the ones who really personify those things.
It's projection.
And they just said that he works really hard.
I didn't even get to it yesterday in the rundown.
You gave me the article.
Biden has been on vacation 40% of the time.
40% of the time!
And he's the guy that works hard.
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Of course they're all young.
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Mic's on.
What, a new studio?
Oh yeah, we moved to Texas.
Have I not talked to you from Texas?
You have, but you didn't have that blue background.
Well, we cleaned it up.
It's just lighting.
It just changes the color.
Oh, very cool.
That's great.
And your FBI badge is upside down.
Well, we're in distress here, just like the rest of the country.
I love it.
I love it.
Very cool.
You know what I got yelled at for?
Seb, I got yelled at for having this, which is a replica FBI badge I bought from Chinese.
It's twice as big as a real one.
Yeah, yeah.
I used to wear it on my belt so I didn't get shot by cops because, you know, the real one is half the size.
Nobody can see it.
They think you're fake.
So they got mad at me.
Who?
Who yelled at you?
No, they wrote me up.
That's why they pulled my security clearance.
It's one of the 13 things they alleged they were going to come after as a felony.
Are you kidding me?
All right.
I've been playing clips all day.
Most important part of today's testimony.
What was it?
I think it was, uh, Garcian just going, uh, reading a silly email or a Twitter feed.
Oh, that was so good.
That was so good.
Look at this.
This is, uh, this is Gerardo Boyle's, uh, t-shirt line.
I'm wearing it today just cause.
Last line.
Last line strength.
Okay.
Very cool.
Yeah.
Anyway, I just put it on.
That's why I'm wearing a t-shirt.
Otherwise I'd put something nicer on for you.
No, that's fine.
So how does Gerardo Boyle have a t-shirt line?
Well, he was a cop and him and his buddy started making him as they were cops.
And then he's actually started doing a sub stack on the sly with his attorneys.
You know, he has it locked down, so you can't read it, but it's called the last line.
And it's just all about him holding the line.
It's always been his idea.
Very, very evangelical Christian type.
And it's a really, really good man.
He's probably one of the most religious people I've met in the bureau.
Yeah, you could tell that guy is has strength.
He's also six foot two and 275, which you can't necessarily tell on TV, but he could probably those reps.
Wow.
All right, we're gonna get cut to the chase.
I think I'm gonna play... Man, that Garrido ball cut was so good.
Look, you play whatever you want.
I'll respond to any of them.
Funny that Garcia is drunk and doesn't know how to do basic backstopping, but that's okay.
For impact, I think the thing that he said about them getting crushed by the Bureau and not wanting... Yeah, alright, we'll do that.
We'll do that.
We'll do that.
Alright, I'll do Angel Tree, and then I'll T-Up Cut 9 again, and then we'll go straight to Kyle.
Angel Tree, T-Up Cut 9, and then to Kyle.
70 seconds.
Mic's are still on.
on.
The, uh, Plaskett.
Yeah, I know, but it's... Yeah, maybe.
They love propping her up.
I know she's like, she's like Puerto Rico or something.
Yeah, she's non-voting.
She's Virgin Islands, I think.
But they love propping her up.
What?
She's from New York.
Well, of course.
It's like, it's like, it's like Hillary.
That's right.
She just happened to be there, even though she's from Arkansas.
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He's Kyle Serafin, a real whistleblower himself.
Kyle, welcome back to America First.
Hey, Dr. Gorka, good to be back.
All right, so you're in the best position to tell us the import of what happened today, but this is such a powerful, powerful clip from Garrett O'Boyle about what's happened to the Bureau.
I just want to play it again, Cut 9.
If one of your really good friends, your former colleagues, came to you and said, I have this thing that is being covered up, and I think the American people need to know about it, what advice would you give them?
I would tell them first to pray about it, long and hard.
And I would tell them I could take it to Congress for them, or I could put them in touch with Congress, but I would advise them not to do it.
So you would legitimately try to protect one of your colleagues from doing what you have done?
Absolutely.
And how do you think that solves being able to shine light on corruption, weaponization, any kind of misconduct that exists with the American people?
It doesn't solve it.
But the FBI will crush you.
This government will crush you.
I just went crazy last hour.
I did a very, very dark monologue of these cuts.
I'm just going to ask a stupid question.
Shouldn't the FBI be crushing terrorists, the mafia, and kidnappers?
Help me out, Kyle.
Yeah, of course.
I mean, what else should they be doing with the federal tax dollars they get?
But they don't.
They go after whistleblowers.
They pad statistics.
They're crushing, you know, MAGA grandmas now, going after people for January 6th, trespassing charges, like that was somehow the biggest threat to democracy.
They're a joke.
They're a joke to themselves.
They're a joke internally.
They're a joke to us.
I'm actually wearing a t-shirt right now that's got Gerrit O'Boyle's logo on it.
He does a A substack called The Last Line, and that's what we all decided this was.
This is The Last Line.
So those of us that came forward knew that we were going to get crushed.
But, you know, he's got broad shoulders.
The guy's 6'2 and 275 pounds.
You can't tell in that suit, but he's a monster.
He's a gentle giant.
And he's a warrior.
He's been in combat.
He's got the combat infantry badge.
He was a police officer for four years in Waukesha on the streets.
And then he was one of the most honorable FBI agents I know, because when I got crushed, and everybody knew it was coming, he continued to go do the whistleblowing activity that I started.
You know, I exposed the apparent threat tag at the school boards that they were going to be investigating.
Garrett went in on his own recognizance, knowing that it would probably result in him being removed.
He pulled all the investigations and got them to Congress, showing that 24 different families have been targeted by the FBI, simply because some, you know, some snitch on a federal line, as Jim Jordan likes to say, called in and reported them because they didn't like their political ideology at a school board meeting.
So, you know, he justified that what we said was happening was happening, and he gave them all the receipts on it.
And for his trouble, he was kicked out of his house, and he was moving in between from one federal post to another, and they canceled his move, mid-move, when he had a two-week-old daughter.
His wife was two weeks postpartum, and he was without a home.
Without a home, without access to his property, this is what the federal government will do to you.
There's a woman called Stacey Plaskett who doesn't even get to vote in Congress because she quote-unquote represents the Virgin Islands.
I don't know why she's even allowed to speak.
This is what this Democrat said today about what we are hearing.
Cut eight.
Watching House Republicans jump to lay the foundation to defund law enforcement.
My colleagues on the far right are on a mission to attack, discredit, and ultimately dismantle the FBI.
This is defund the police on steroids.
So you and your colleagues, like your buddy Garrett, you just declared war on law enforcement, Kyle.
Did you know that?
Well, it's funny that she calls it law enforcement.
They wanted to defund the police.
I love the police.
I think they're great.
I'm actually wearing a thin blue line t-shirt right now from my buddy's days as a cop.
But Steve Friend actually said it best in his testimony.
What he said is that we're not talking about law enforcement.
We're certainly not talking about the police.
What we're talking about is a federal domestic intelligence agency that has a law enforcement capability.
And when they do that, that's what secret police look like.
So I'm all about defunding secret police.
I don't want that at all.
But local cops are fantastic.
And state cops, generally speaking, keep states safe.
So, you know, she's basically trying to act like the position that she's coming from is somehow the moral high ground, when in fact it was her colleagues that were pushing for all this anti-cop stuff during the, you know, 2020 when all the cops in the local areas were getting beaten with bricks and they had no federal reinforcements at all.
Yeah, this is... I used to give lectures on this stuff, you know, explaining to my foreign officers I was training at DoD, our allies, how weird and unique America is, that unlike almost every country in the world, we don't have a domestic security service.
There's no MI5, there's no Bundesverfassungsschutz, there's no undercover guys who are spying on their fellow citizens to make sure they are politically sound.
Kyle, I can't say that anymore.
That time is gone.
That time is gone, yeah.
And we're seeing it in real time.
There's women like Ashley Roberts, who's now popped up on Twitter with four or five million views from yesterday, and she's banging on the door of a pro-life activist.
Yes.
Because that's the priority.
We'll talk about that in the next segment.
Perfect segue.
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Oh, FBI pro-life activist thing?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's still rendering.
Oh, he's doing it?
Uh, yeah.
Oh, nice.
Excellent.
PhD.
He says he's cutting it now, but it's hard to hear because it is like one of those ring doorbell cameras.
There's a pretty good cut of it that's on Twitter if you guys are looking.
Yeah, it's, it's rendering right now.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Um, I have the story here, but if you, if you know enough about, What happened?
Where did I put it?
Yeah, so she's part of a leftist progressive... Yeah, it's a progressive pro-life thing.
So do you remember the story about that Caesar something or other?
He was a doctor in Washington, D.C.
that basically was doing partial birth abortions and throwing the babies out.
And they're throwing the babies out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She was part of the group that found the babies.
Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.
And then what does the Bureau do?
They send the same woman who knocked on another whistleblower's door And she works for CT4 at Washington Field Office, the domestic terrorism squad.
Because why not?
Right.
Because that's the world we're in.
Progressive anti-abortion uprising.
Okay.
There they are.
They're leftists.
They're like pro-LGBTQ.
They're feminist weirdos.
But hey, enemy of my enemy.
Well, it's like gays against groomers.
Great lady.
Yeah.
Her name is Elise Ketch.
Yeah, I got it.
April 28th.
And the other funny thing is they're not teaching them to lie very well.
If you look at it, you know, she's out there saying, oh, we can't be photographed.
It's like, oh, you're in public, idiot.
You're standing in front of a high definition ring camera.
I hate to tell you otherwise.
And what kind of police officer hides their face?
Yeah, secret police, you know?
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
Federales in corrupt Mexico.
Bingo.
I've already texted Jeff, but Grabien is telling us we're at our monthly download limit.
Oh, that's perfect.
Can't download the clip.
I've texted him, so there's always something we do to fix this, but yeah.
Just an update.
90 seconds.
The other thing they were doing is they were going after Kash Patel pretty aggressively,
like a bunch of boneheads.
I think they want to date him.
What do you think?
You mean today?
Yeah.
Oh, really?
Tell me, in what way?
They just kept saying, weren't you paid by Kash Patel, this Trump activist?
Oh my gosh.
Rep Goldman is out there, you know.
What's his name?
Dan Goldman is out there talking about it, trying to raise funds on the fact that cash is such a moron.
I mean, he really is.
He's like, he's one of these rich kids who just, you know, it's just an idiot.
Wasn't he an impeachment lawyer?
He was.
He was.
Yeah, he was.
The funny thing for me was that, uh, he tried to say what his experience was with arrests to Steve Friend, who's got like 150 criminal arrests.
He was in a USA for a few minutes, so he has zero arrests.
That's kind of funny.
It's like, Oh yeah, that's your expertise.
Cool.
Okay, I have the clip now.
Nice, alright, we'll tee it up.
up.
We'll tee it up, okay.
PhD.
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He's a real whistleblower like those brave men on Capitol Hill today.
Let's talk about this story that you mentioned just a moment ago.
There's something, I didn't even know these people existed, the progressive anti-abortion uprising and an individual called Elise Ketch, who was one of the people who found this horrific, gruesome, Yeah, sure.
My name is Ashley Roberts and this is Kathleen Brown.
We're both with the FBI.
wing pro-life activists house and I think thanks to the Daily Signal at
Heritage we have the video. Do we have the video Eric? Let's play it.
Yeah sure my name is Ashley Roberts and this is Kathleen Brown we're both with
the FBI. We just need to speak with her regarding some information that was
sent in to us.
Do you mind giving us her residence or her phone number by chance?
Sure.
but this isn't her residence currently.
Okay, do you mind giving us her residence or her phone number by chance?
Yeah, can you hold on just a second?
Sure, she's not in any trouble, we just.
So I'm confused here.
Not in any trouble.
Why are you going to her house or her mother's house flashing a badge?
Because as far as I know... Tell me!
I've only trained about, I don't know, six, seven thousand FBI agents, SOS support staff and IAs, intelligence analysts.
My understanding is you guys do counter-terrorism, so you hunt down terrorists.
You do counterintelligence, so you're supposed to catch all misinformed spies.
And you've got the Crim Division, which is like for bank robbers and kidnappers.
What is this got to do with any of that?
Well, obviously, if you're a pro-life activist, you're a domestic terrorist in the eyes of the FBI.
It was the number three priority when I was in New Mexico to go after what they called anti-abortion violent extremists.
And Ms.
Ketch was, as you mentioned, sort of famous for Being part of this group that discovered some gruesome bodies at an abortionist in Foggy Bottom in Washington, D.C.
And that special agent, Ashley Roberts, decided to go out there, and she is a member of Counterterrorism 4, which is the Washington field office domestic terrorist squad.
So that's what she's investigating, domestic terrorism.
So a FBI agent whose job is CT, counterterrorism, wants to interview somebody who uncovered a baby part abortion mill.
Yeah, you can only imagine this is going to be a violation of the face hack, you know, something to that effect.
Same way we saw Mark Hout and some others go.
You know, the FBI has prioritized leftist causes.
They're interested in white supremacy, although I would say it's pretty hard to find it.
They're not interested in radical jihad and Islamist terrorists, which I've seen, and they've been the only ones I've dealt with that were armed and seemed like they might be a real threat.
particularly when you swear allegiance to ISIS online.
But they're willing to go after people that either are Christian
and pro-life or this sort of weird little unicorn, which is a
leftist feminist pro-life group.
I'll take them. They're on our team.
They care about babies.
I care about what they're up to.
And unfortunately, when the FBI comes to your door and says you're not in any trouble, that's probably a really good
time for you to stop talking, close the door and thank them very much.
Well, isn't that what they did to Mike Flynn?
What they do to everybody.
I've never said that.
I think it's so dishonest.
Look, if you're a feeble thinker and you think that your job is to lie or cheat or steal or get people to coerce them into telling you the truth, then I guess you operate that way.
I always found it very disingenuous.
If I thought you were in trouble, I'd say, look, I've got to talk to you.
There's an arrest warrant out for you.
We're doing an investigation into you.
If you want to speak with me, you can.
If you want to bring counsel, you can.
I don't get paid any better.
I never got paid any better as an FBI agent.
Was tricked into saying something they didn't want to say.
That's the whole point of our system.
You're supposed to be able to have counsel if you want it.
Yeah.
We have to have a longer discussion.
Can you come back for a longer discussion?
Of course.
All right.
So, last question.
Got to ask it again.
Is the FBI salvageable?
20 seconds.
Absolutely not.
No, trash it.
Burn it to the ground, scatter the ashes, salt the earth afterwards.
I despise the agency, but if you're gonna get rid of anything, at least start with the domestic intel mission, and that includes the CT mission they're doing.
It's secret police stuff.
Yeah.
Get back to where we were, which is a nation uniquely justified in never having an internal security service.
We don't do that in America.
That's not America.
That's not why we exist.
King George would have loved that.
We don't do that.
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Um, so where, where, where do you stand?
Have they dropped stuff against you?
Have you formally separated?
What's the situation?
I had to, uh, I had to resign, which was basically me saying, uh, Hey, you already fired me.
So I'll just acknowledge it.
You know, you broke up with me.
I'll break up with you too.
Right.
Because they accused me of multiple felonies and a bunch of misdemeanors.
And then what happens to the rest of that?
Have they dropped that?
It was an internal investigation.
They said the punishment will continue until you resign.
So I did.
I've got Catholic folks supporting me at this point.
We're going to launch something a little bit more formal.
So that's good.
But is that stuff hanging over your head?
Or do you have paper that they're not investigating you?
No, I have nothing.
But it was all internal anyway.
So I don't think they're going to come after me.
That being said, they sent me a bill for $4,300 for insurance that I didn't use.
Because I didn't know I had insurance when I wasn't being paid.
So they're like, hey, you didn't pay your insurance premiums.
And I'm like, all right, assholes.
Whatever you say.
Are you a macro snapper?
A mackerel snapper?
Are you a Catholic?
Yeah, of course.
Oh, I didn't know that.
We're known as mackerel snappers.
You know that, right?
I've never heard this expression.
Where is this from?
Friday.
Fish.
Mackerel snappers.
Oh, I don't eat fish either.
That's my other problem.
I was a combat diver.
I don't eat what swims.
It doesn't eat me.
That's too funny.
That's too funny.
All right.
I'm the opposite of eating.
I'm like a pesca pescatarian.
I only eat things that eat fish.
All right.
Are you going to do like some kind of super cut of today's hearing?
Yeah, probably with some of my talking over because I was mouthing over a lot of the video.
As soon as you post that, will you send it to me and I'll boost it?
For sure.
Yeah.
And I wrote a, I actually did a prayer at the beginning of our live stream, which I rarely do, but I just felt like our boys were going into it.
Beautiful.
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And do you know, do you know all of them?
Uh, we just, uh, the guys just got, what's his name?
Marcus Allen's number today.
So I know the two and Marcus is going to be connected to us after the end of the day.
All right.
Yes.
Connect me eventually when they're comfortable.
But in the meantime, when you establish comms, will you tell them, give them our best as well?
I will, and I'll connect you with Garrett probably sooner than later.
He's probably ready to start going.
He's been chomping at the bit, but his attorneys kept him quiet.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Superb.
Thank you for carving time out today.
My pleasure.
Thanks, Doc.
Bye.
I never knew the origin of that phrase either.
He's a macro snapper!
Hey, Mac.
Hey, Mac.
Dude, your team is so busy.
I've got radio to do here.
Only two segments left.
Oh my gosh.
That's nuts!
I'll squeeze it all in.
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Hey Dr. G, good afternoon.
You know what, just to continue with Kyle, what an amazing young man.
Isn't he?
Oh my gosh, our group will say some extra prayers for him to help him to find the extra strength and funding to continue his great life ahead of him, okay?
Please keep him in your prayers and all of those brave whistleblowers, especially the ones who are on Capitol Hill today.
Well, you know, here's the other thing.
Not only those guys in Capitol Hill, but this evil person, Merrick Garland, our so-called Attorney General.
For us that are doing pro-life things, this is the other thing.
Homeland Security, in documents that I've been looking up and such, We're being called radicalization suspects.
So that's our other side name is what they're calling us.
Isn't that pure Orwell?
You haven't committed a crime.
It's like Philip K Dick.
It's pre-crime.
You are like maybe potential radicalizers.
I mean it's just it's total Orwell.
It's crazy.
Totally.
But Saturday at our giving out the Bibles, you know, God didn't give us those Bibles to scare us.
He gave us Bibles to prepare us.
So we gave a little over 175 Bibles, Dr. G, in Laguna Beach on Saturday.
What?
How many?
Over 175 Bibles!
How did you carry them?
Are they like little mini ones on a microchip?
No, no, no.
They're small and we wrapped them up and we handed them out.
There were about 25-30 of us that we all did this together.
It was crazy!
Alright, give us the details again.
Give us the details for this weekend.
Saturday we were, the day before Mother's Day, our group, I Am For The Voiceless, we gave out Bibles.
Because we knew this whole thing with abortion and how they hate us.
But we weren't afraid.
It got a little crazy.
I will admit that.
But we handed out and those that wouldn't take it would say, make sure you say Happy
Mother's Day to your mom, would you please?
And that's how we kind of got away.
We would draw them in and just different things.
Of course, we had all our other stuff.
But Monday night, I also spoke at a group called We the People.
I had never heard of this group.
Anyway, there's a number of different groups in throughout the United States.
So I also spoke to them about coming and being with us.
Because even the churches, there was Pastor Larry DeSimone with us on Saturday, handing out the Bibles.
But we also have a little security with us, because like I said, it can get crazy.
But Monday night, I spoke to a group of people, about 50, to get your people to come and be with us at the different abortions.
On Monday, abortion clinics at Planned Parenthood, Mondays, Thursdays, Fridays, and Sundays, We gave them time, so we're working on it, Dr. G. Thank you for having, like, Kyle on, and we're going to continue praying for all of us that believe in our country, believe abortions are bad.
There are so many people that would love to have a baby.
900,000 murders a year.
900,000 murders a year.
murders a year, 900,000 murders a year. It is a pure genocide and sadly it is a
genocide done totally in the spirit of Margaret Sanger who was a racist who
hated black Americans.
And where our Planned Parenthood clinics are disproportionately located in America, We know where they're located because Margaret Sanger's ghost walks through every room of those clinics where babies are murdered because she was a eugenicist praised by Adolf Hitler, praised by the National Socialist Workers' Party of Germany, and they are continuing their eugenicist genocide here in America.
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February of 23, that was after the others.
Fugitive of justice or something they called him?
Well, probably because he was under probation, right?
But it was an incident in February of 23.
What a moron.
He really thinks he can just keep getting away with it, because, you know, he's, you know... Wouldn't let his spouse, Kevin.
His spouse, Kevin.
Is that the one who likes wearing the dog outfit?
Oh, that's a good question.
Oh, I thought we were done with that freak.
So did I. You want to do one of the recordings here?
Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
70 seconds.
What's this?
Fauci!
I'm not... What?
I did this.
No, I'm not doing this.
I'm not doing this.
I'm not doing... I'm saying I loved it.
No.
I'll talk to him.
That's not what I agreed to do.
I'll talk to the sales guy.
Don't worry about it.
Oh, got a title for Seraphine.
Yeah, what's... Burn the FBI to the ground.
Nice.
30.
Not coming in with any last call cuts here.
Um, come in with the Cori Bush.
Cori Bush.
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The United States has a moral and legal obligation to provide reparations for the enslavement of Africans.
Black people in our country cannot wait any longer for our government to begin addressing each and every one of the extraordinary bits of harm, all of the harm it has caused since the founding.
No, Cori Bush, we were the greatest force for emancipation and we fought a war in which 600,000 Americans died to free slaves.
It's not happening.
Never ever happening.
I think somebody agrees.
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Okay, you're going to love this.
Thank you for taking my call.
This call is very, very important.
Every black person should listen to this.
There are two parts.
There is the slavery and there's the reparations.
I'm a Jew with a 4,000 year of often-known history of slavery, starting in Egypt and ending with the Holocaust.
The Lubavitcher Rebbe, who was the most influential rabbi of the 20th century, said this in 1945, We Jews are not victims, we are survivors.
Victims live in the past, survivors live into the future, creating a future.
Look at Israel.
Number two, reparations.
My parents were in the Holocaust.
They got reparations from Germany.
They were in Auschwitz.
Guess what?
They got preparation for Germany.
You know why?
Because they were there!
I... I, their daughter, first generation, cannot get one red cent.
You know why?
Hang on, hang on.
This is really important.
This is really important.
But I've got another caller who's been waiting a long time.
I want to tweet this out.
Victims live in the past.
Which Rebbe said that?
The Lubavitchi Rebbe.
The Rebbe, the Chabad Rebbe of Lubavitch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Reparations.
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Mike, Detroit.
Yeah, Dr. Corker.
When I watched these hearings, it was like a political ad for President Trump.
I mean, they fell flat on their faces.
They tried to disparage and character assassinate these whistleblowers whose credentials as citizens and patriots were just something these people couldn't even imagine.
They tried everything in their repertoire.
It all fell flat on its face.
And I thought that I thought Gads Meadows and all these Republicans were great.
But, you know, just reinforce what President Trump said from the very beginning when he exposed these people in the deep state and Democratic Party for who and what they become criminally corrupt, politically corrupt, personally corrupt, seditious, treasonous and incompetent.
It's just like a political advertisement for President Trump.
Mike, you're a genius as well, just like Sephora.
I love it.
I'm going to tweet that out as well.
It shouldn't be, it shouldn't be, but you're right.
This is a political campaign ad to prove what President Trump has been saying.
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Next, the guest we've been waiting a long time for, Neil Ferguson.
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It has overwhelmed our system.
And 65,000 people are coming to the city.
Just last, a week and a half ago, we had 4,200 in one week.
In one day, we had 900.
The numbers are just unbelievable when you think about it.
Our goal is to make sure that we have a real decompression strategy at the border and a decompression strategy in the state and really the Democrats, we're losing this argument.
You know, we have an obligation to stay true to what I believe the party stands for,
and I think the entire party needs to get behind how we handle this mission.
The day that it's clear, or the night that it's clear that Trump's been re-elected,
heads will be exploding on the Harvard campus, the Stanford campus, the Yale campus,
the New York Times offices, CNN will be in meltdown, everybody will be
on air in tears predicting the end of the republic.
All that stuff will be going on and the market will be rallying because investors will know that this will represent an improvement just as it was an improvement when Trump got elected.
I'm not sure that's a popular perception or analysis or prognosis at Stanford University, but that's all the more reason to have this next guest one-on-one on our show, who I've been working a very long time, I think, pre-COVID to get him on the show.
We are delighted to have with us the Milbank Family Senior Fellow from the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Dr. Professor Neil Ferguson.
Welcome to America First.
Good to be with you, Sebastian, after, as you say, many months, if not years, of trying to make it happen.
We tried desperately and we are very excited.
Been a big fan of yours for years and, of course, of your wife, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who I know is good friends with my muse, Katie Gawker.
So much to discuss.
I have a roaring list of about 20 things I want to get through in the next hour.
Let's begin with your latest book, we have to mention it, Doom and the Politics of Catastrophe.
Neil, you in a prior work talked about the killer apps of Western civilization that makes it so powerful and which should be used to temper the prognosis of imminent catastrophe.
If you were a surgeon today, if you were a medical doctor, If you look at those killer apps today, and whether we're following them, things such as modern medicine, rule of law, competitiveness, the scientific method, what grade would you give Western civilization?
How are we faring in the application of the apps that we developed to become the greatest civilization?
Well, not too badly.
I mean, I'm not sure quite what kind of grades a medical doctor would give out, but the patient seems likely to survive.
If the major rival is the People's Republic of China, one of the key arguments of that book Civilization was that China was trying to selectively copy our killer applications.
And so while they were happy to take the scientific method and modern medicine, even the consumer society and certainly the work ethic, They were very reluctant indeed to take the rule of law based on private property rights and the idea of political as well as economic competition.
So I think it's pretty obvious now, as I rather suspected would be true when I wrote the book, that if you just take four out of six, things won't work as well.
And China clearly suffers from the lack of accountability of the Chinese Communist Party, the absence of any legal constraints on its power.
On the other hand, if you look at the state of the United States, or for that matter, the European countries, I don't think Western civilization is in the prime of life.
I think if I were a medical doctor, I'd be slightly concerned about the patient's heart, the patient looks a little overweight, probably could use some improvements in diet and exercise regime.
I wrote a sequel to Civilization called The Great Degeneration, which pointed out some of the things that were going wrong.
So I think the operating system's there, but it kind of needs a reboot and maybe an upgrade to the software.
When you mentioned China, which tries to A-pass with certain of those killer apps, but when it comes to innovation and others, doesn't quite seem to replicate them.
Nevertheless, you predict a new Cold War with a new adversary.
You do, however, say that this will be fundamentally different from the original Cold War.
In what ways will this competition be different?
Well, I'd go further than prediction.
I think we're in Cold War II, and we have been for about five years.
And the place of the Soviet Union has been taken by the People's Republic of China.
What's different about Cold War II, I mean, just in the same way that World War II wasn't exactly the same as World War I, Cold War II is different because we are in much, much closer economic and social contact with China.
Than we ever were with the Soviet Union.
I mean, you knew in the 1950s who the Soviet citizens were in the United States, and you could be pretty sure they were working for the Soviet government.
There are vast, vast numbers of Chinese nationals in the United States today working, living with access to the most cutting-edge research in our technology companies and universities, and we don't really know who among them are CCP operatives.
So that's the challenge, that it's a much, much more interpenetrated competition In many ways, in that respect, it's more like Britain and Germany before 1914, where there's a geopolitical rivalry, but really high levels of trade and other interaction.
You've written extensively on Kissinger, and I look at the fathers who understood the genesis of the Cold War and then brought to bear true geopolitical, geostrategic analysis, the Dulleses, the Kennens, the Nietzsches.
They seem like, you know, triceratops.
They're totally extinct.
We don't have them anymore.
Are you concerned that on either side of the political aisle, we really don't have geostrategic thinkers?
There's you, there's Victor Davis Hanson, a regular to the show, there are those outside the bubble, but isn't it going to be hard to win a geopolitical contest if we don't have people inside the machinery of
government, the likes of that generation?
Well, of course, Kissinger himself is still going strong and about to celebrate his 100th
birthday.
But he's certainly the last survivor of an extraordinary generation who steered the United
States through Cold War I, with, of course, disagreements, but on the whole, a quite remarkable
bipartisan consensus that the United States had to prevail in the Cold War.
Today, of course, there are plenty of people who aspire to be the equivalents in the realm of national security.
And I'm sure Jake Sullivan, who's Joe Biden's national security advisor, quite fancies himself a successor to the likes of Kissinger and Brent Scowcroft.
And I certainly don't underrate Jake Sullivan's intellect.
It's just that in some ways it feels like Yale Law School is the source of the grand strategy of the United States today.
And that's why we hear so many legalistic arguments rather than strategic arguments being made.
A good example is the sense that if one can only identify Vladimir Putin as a war criminal,
then the job is in some measure done of resolving the crisis in Ukraine.
But you can't have a war crimes trial unless you have unconditional victory.
And it seems to me that Ukraine is a very long way away from being able to win an unconditional victory over Russia.
So I don't think that if one thinks about the strategic planning that we currently see in Washington, there is a very good answer to the question, what's the end game in Ukraine?
In the same way, I think in negotiations with China, we are taking a more legalistic approach.
For example, on the question of their access to semiconductors.
And I'm not sure quite what the strategy is.
Is our strategy just to try to stunt China's technological advance by making it hard for them to get high-end semiconductors?
If that's what it is, what's the risk that that actually incentivizes the Chinese to go to war over Taiwan?
That's the kind of thing that I worry about.
But you're not, despite saying that we are in a new Cold War, you're not a fan of the cycles of history idea, are you?
My former White House colleague Steve Bannon loves the fourth turning, but you don't buy this cyclical nature of history, do you?
People have been looking for cycles of history almost since history began as a subject.
It would be lovely if it had the same kind of rhythm as the seasons or the ages of man.
But as I try to point out in Doom, in truth, human history is constantly blown off course by disasters that don't occur in any regular pattern.
There's no guarantee that you get two world wars a century actually.
That happened in the 20th century after a period when violence appeared to be declining.
Natural disasters like pandemics, well we hadn't had a really big one since 1918-19 and then we had A comparably not quite as bad one in 2020.
So if there were a cycle of human history, it would constantly be disrupted by man-made and natural disasters that don't appear to have any real pattern to them.
That's why I'm skeptical of books like The Fourth Turning and all the other attempts to think in cycles.
Ray Dalio, the founder of the hedge fund Bridgewater, has his own version of the cycle of history, which predicts that the US is going to decline and China is going to take over.
But people were making that kind of argument back in the 1970s and again in the 1980s.
There's always supposedly some rising power that's going to displace the United States.
And oddly enough, the cycle of history keeps failing to deliver that moment of American decline.
So count me skeptical about cycles of history.
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Neil, you have a piece that's caused a bit of a stir in the Spectator.
We can put the headline up on the screen right now.
Trump's second act.
He can still win in spite of everything.
In it, you reference Fitzgerald's The Last Tycoon with regards to Americans wanting to skip the middle, the second act of most stories.
However, you say, the more I think about it, the more I think the Joe Biden presidency is Act 2 in this case, and Donald Trump is not the last tycoon.
He is, in fact, Act 3.
He is the next president.
You say one of the things that could feed into that is your observation of patterns of, let's say, abuse of judicial power across the globe with regards to presidents or former presidents that could feed into this cycle here in America.
Would you expand on that?
Well, I think there's a theory, certainly amongst some democratic strategists, that if you have enough legal cases against Donald Trump, and I think there are at least 17 at various stages right now, maybe more, then you can prevent his succeeding in his re-election bid next year.
And I think this is wrong for a couple of reasons.
First of all, if you look around the world, it doesn't necessarily work that legal action, even if it results in conviction, ends a political career.
We've just seen the reelection of Lula in Brazil.
And he was behind bars for a corruption case that was then thrown out in time for him to run for reelection and defeat Jair Bolsonaro, albeit narrowly, last year.
And so there's a sense that lawfare doesn't always in fact work.
The second point is that the Democrats, I think, want to run against Trump, and that's part of the reason that they are keeping him on the front pages, putting him back on CNN in a town hall, but also making sure that these legal cases guarantee Trump coverage.
This makes it much harder for any other candidate to get airtime, any other candidate for the Republican nomination.
The problem, I think, from a Democratic vantage point is that running Joe Biden against Donald Trump in 2024 could go very wrong for them if there is a recession between now and then.
And the probability that there is a recession is certainly above 50% given how much monetary tightening that we've seen.
So, I think ultimately the Democrats are being less clever than they think in giving Trump almost guaranteed press coverage as they head for a rematch of the 2020 election.
It seems to me that Trump is highly likely to be the nominee at this point.
He's the frontrunner, and in Republican primaries, the frontrunner at this stage usually ends up being the winner.
And given that no president in modern times has got re-elected if a recession happened in the two years before his re-election.
For all these reasons, I think people are underestimating Trump's chances of a second term.
Now, you can accuse me, Professor, of bias.
Of course, I worked in his White House.
I'm a former strategist to the 45th president.
But if you concur with me that there is an unusual level of vituperation or animus towards President Trump, for example, to have a DA in Manhattan actually campaign Openly on putting him behind bars to have the current incumbent this weekend talk about the greatest threat to America is white supremacist and then he talks about the ultra MAGA voters out there.
Is this also problematic in terms of the health of the fabric of the Republic?
Have we seen this before at such a level?
In some ways it's not unfamiliar, and I don't think one wants to imagine some golden era in which no such skullduggery took place.
If one goes back to the 1970s, it's clear that, although clearly Richard Nixon transgressed in significant ways, what became the Watergate scandal was a version of lawfare in which not only Nixon, but a significant number of members of his administration ended up going to jail.
And if one reflects on those events from the distance of 50 years, it's less and less obvious that the Washington Post version of history is entirely correct.
The 1960s were a time when all kinds of hardball was played by Democratic presidents, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, who did things that, of course, subsequently were regarded as beyond the pale when the Republican President Richard Nixon was shown to have done them.
So I don't think we should pretend that American politics has ever been a kind of game of hockey at a polite girl's school.
It's a very, very contact type, if not blood sport, and was in the 19th century too.
When Dickens came to the United States way back when, he was shocked at how incredibly tough American politics was by British standards.
So it may be that this is just the way things are in the United States.
And there has been historically a tendency for the line between politics and the law
to get blurred.
But the, for example, the raiding of a former president's private residence, isn't that
a new level, a new nadir?
I think it's clear that things have been ramped up against President Trump in just the same
way that his critics would say he upped the ante on January the 6th, 2021.
So there's been an escalation on both sides. I anticipate that it will continue as we
head towards the election year next year. It's going to get nastier, I'm almost certain. And
this may be the reason that I was motivated to write the piece. My sense is that this is
the quiet before the storm and people haven't fully appreciated just how this election
will play out.
Because the Democrats, as I said, want to run against Trump because they believe that he can't win, that they've sufficiently demonized him and will demonize him more so that he can't actually get back the votes that he lost in 2020.
And I just don't think that that's necessarily the case.
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You talk about in one of your recent interviews Neil the epic monetary failure
of the last two years.
Are we in a recession or can we just plastically play with the definition, change it in the Webster's Dictionary, deny it's happening, or is the Fed consistently going to do too little too late and it is inevitable?
Let's put a couple of the books up there so people understand your expertise in these fields.
The most recent one, it's also civilization, the West and the rest, as well as the ascent of money.
So is it pretty much on the cards at the moment?
Well, it's certainly likely because the Fed has raised interest rates by 500 basis points.
It is one of the steepest monetary tightening that we've seen in modern U.S.
history.
It bears comparison with the monetary tightening at the time Paul Volcker tried to slay the inflation dragon at the end of the 1970s.
And it would be quite remarkable if such an increase in borrowing costs didn't cause a recession.
Historically, that kind of a tightening always has.
Most people at the moment are not seeing it because the labor market is still barreling along and consumers have not really been hit hard.
But there is a real contraction in credit that's affecting other parts of the economy already.
And my reminder to viewers and listeners is the old adage that monetary policy acts
with long and variable lags.
And that can mean really quite long.
I can remember back in 2006, writing a piece for, I hate to say it, Sebastian, the New York Times,
saying that the monetary medicine had been administered, but the US economy is a bit like a huge dinosaur
whose tail has been bitten.
It takes a while for the pain message to get to the brain.
And I think it's somewhat similar today.
That means that there'll probably be a recession at some point in the next 12 months.
But I can't expect you to notice it in the next two months.
Remember, massive overstimulus happened in 2021 that the economy was already coming out of the pandemic because of the efficacy of the vaccines that had been by that time discovered and trialed.
But the Biden administration decided it would prove how transformative it was going to be with another round of fiscal stimulus.
And meanwhile, the Federal Reserve fell asleep at the wheel and did absolutely nothing right the way through 2021 into 2022, when even Larry Summers, a former Democratic Treasury Secretary, in February of 2021 warned that an inflation mistake was being made.
So this was a very, very big mistake in fiscal and monetary policy, which sent inflation rocketing upwards.
True, it's come down.
It would be amazing if it hadn't come down, considering the different elements that caused that shock and considering what the Fed has done.
But you can't just have a soft landing when you've made such a big policy error.
The idea that they can somehow land this plane without there being a recession, I think, is a very low probability scenario.
And Summers himself It has a recession as a 70% likely event.
So I'll go with him.
He was right about the inflation.
And it doesn't seem to be just incompetence or tardiness in policy decisions.
It seems as if both political parties behave with our money.
And I know you're an American now, as if they're just drunken sailors on Friday night.
Can any of this be fixed without there being some kind of sense of responsibility here in D.C.?
Well, it is something I've been writing about for, I hate to say it, more than 20 years.
The U.S.
has a problem of fiscal irresponsibility, and it's a bipartisan problem.
I think it's high time that we face the reality that having a 6% of GDP deficit when employment is more or less at full employment is an unsustainable trajectory.
The debt has of course surged to levels in relation to GDP we haven't seen since the aftermath of World War II.
And something's got to give. I mean, when the debt stock gets this high, rising rates, rising interest rates pretty
quickly translate into higher debt service costs.
Even on the current Congressional Budget Office projections, which I think are pretty optimistic, at some point this
decade, the federal government will be spending more on debt interest than on defense.
And I've long argued that that's a pretty bad moment for any great power when you're paying more on the interest on your debts than you're spending on national security.
So this is very troubling.
I wish Republicans had a more coherent story to tell here.
True, Kevin McCarthy came up with a proposal ahead of the debt ceiling X day, which would have led to a significant tightening of fiscal policy.
But you know and I know that that will never fly in the Democratic-controlled Senate, and Democrats cannot unreasonably say, it's funny how you guys believe in fiscal rectitude when you're not in power, but when you are in power, you forget about it.
And there is some truth to that charge.
Sooner or later, though, fiscal reality is going to hit this country, and it will be very painful when it does, whichever party's in power.
Yeah, and that ratio of debt servicing to defense expenditure is doubly not healthy if you are, in fact, in a new Cold War, which I tend to subscribe to.
We're talking to the Milbach family senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.
Dr. Neil Ferguson.
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It reads, I'm with her.
I choose to recite a different pledge.
My pledge reads, I'm with you, the American people.
I'm not a historian like our guest, but for me that's the moment when President Trump won the election at the RNC convention where he said, what's my opponent's, what's their campaign slogan?
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It's a signal of that populism that starts with Brexit, goes to Trump, to Modi, to Maloney.
Whether it's on left or right with Lula, it is the new politics of the new age.
It is derided as populism, which is strange because if you have popular support, surely that is what you would want in a representative democracy.
Professor Ferguson, You've written cogently about President Trump being the nominee in the spectator recently for the Republicans, and if all other things being equal in an imminent recession actually comes to be, that he will be the next president, the only second president only to ever serve two non-consecutive terms.
in US history. Let me tie all of this to your analyses from your book on what made America
or the West successful, which were these killer apps, rule of law, work ethic, the scientific
method, on and on and on, that made this the most powerful civilization in history. I have
an issue with our ability to maintain that position if given two things that seem to
counter those applications.
Number one, and I think this is why President Trump won and why we see populism renewed in many countries, That we have this elite that has a disdain for the voting man and woman, that sees themselves as the deciders of a nation's direction.
My former boss Steve Bannon called it the administrative state, others have called it the deep state, but whichever you want to call it, just a permanent bureaucracy.
I saw this myself in the White House.
People who've been in government for 20 years and they think Presidents come and go.
We shall decide as SESs or SISs the direction of the nation.
And then secondly, even more deep-rooted in its damage to our civilization that you have seen and we've spoken with victor davis hansen about every day he sees us at stanford the denial of the scientific method well if you can have you know people who are mds talk about men having babies if you can have a supreme court justice nominee say i can't define what a woman is despite my being a woman because i'm not a biologist
Can we fix what needs to be fixed if we have a permanent elite that doesn't find itself accountable to the voters and if even the ivory tower has no interest in the scientific method?
These are two good questions.
In the book The Great Degeneration, which was the sequel to Civilization I mentioned earlier, I suggested there were a couple of very obvious problems developing in the United States particularly, and one of them you've alluded to, the rise of the administrative state.
The founders never envisaged the federal government becoming so large with more than 60 different agencies and a huge bureaucracy.
This is a major distortion in the original operating system of the United States.
And as you say, It produces a kind of permanent administrative or bureaucratic elite.
It also produces enormous complexity in legislation and especially in regulation, which in turn, I think, has adverse economic consequences as well as a risk of corruption.
The second point you make has to do with our educational system which to a really alarming extent has become highly politicized and even more skewed to the left than it was in say the late 60s and 70s which is when people tend to think that the universities first really decisively shifted to the left.
It's far more true today.
The ratio of liberals to conservatives or Democrats or Republicans in US university faculty amongst tenured professors is really quite extraordinarily high now.
And indeed, in some in some disciplines, you can't actually calculate a ratio because there are zero conservative professors.
And it's a paradox that people who most often talk about the science are usually doing it in order to peddle some entirely unscientific
theory, whether it's with regard to gender or for that matter, with respect to
climate change. So these are major problems and one could go on. I mean, there's clearly a
kind of breakdown in the rule of law if law becomes an instrument of political conflict. So my
sense is that our six killer applications are still there, but there are these bugs,
viruses, if you like, on the hard drive that are causing the system to work less and less well.
And populism, Sebastian, is a kind of reaction to all of this, that ordinary voters, often people far from Washington, D.C., far from the big cities, They want there to be some kind of breakthrough against the administrative state and against work academia.
And I think that's one of the things that keeps Donald Trump alive as a political contender.
He's one of the few politicians out there who can still tap that popular frustration with where the elites have gone in the bureaucracy and academia.
Well, let's stick on that second issue for a second.
I had Kevin Roberts, the week he was installed as the new president of the Heritage Foundation on my show, and he's a former college president.
I think he's a fifth generation educator with a PhD in history.
And I smuggled in a question from my wife who'd worked at the Heritage Foundation and said, ask him about, can we salvage academe?
And I asked him, so, exciting things happening at the school board level.
Mama Bear's taking back, you know, control, saying no more racist CRT and what have you.
But what about higher ed, Dr. Roberts?
Can we salvage it?
You know, apart from these little islands like Hillsdale and what have you.
And I almost fell off my chair, Neil.
He said on live radio to three and a half million people, no, burn it to the ground.
So, is there a recipe?
How do you fix this lack of the scientific method and the politicization of education at the college level?
Well, it's very hard to fix from within.
That's clear.
I've spent a very large part of my adult life in elite educational institutions, Oxford, Cambridge, New York University.
I had 12 years at Harvard.
I've been here at Stanford now for seven years.
And my observation is that it's extremely hard to stop.
institutions shifting inextricably leftwards.
People talk about a pendulum that's somehow going to magically swing back in the other direction.
I'm not sure quite where the force will come to change the direction of travel, because once, let's say, a department has a clear majority of progressive tenured faculty, Those people will not hire a conservative.
We know that from some extremely good survey data.
What's more, the younger you go, looking at faculty attitudes all the way down to graduate students, the more woke they become.
So I think the only solution must be, in the short run, to found new institutions.
And that's why I've become involved in creating a new university in Austin, Texas, in the belief that if we can model academic freedom, As well as meritocracy in our admissions and other processes, then we will set a new standard and, I hope, begin to exert some pressure on the established institutions to reform the ways in which they run themselves.
Students are deeply frustrated.
We know this from surveys.
They don't like having to self-censor.
They don't like the sense that they're being indoctrinated.
And so if a university comes along and addresses those grievances and creates an atmosphere of real academic freedom, then I think we'll start to attract really talented people.
And that will exert some pressure.
Competition is the key in so much of American life.
But right now, there isn't much competition in academia.
The big institutions all have roughly the same ideology and roughly the same way of working.
If we can challenge that, then I think we'll gradually see a difference.
Can you mention the name of that college you're working with?
The University of Austin is the new university that we're in the process of establishing in Austin, Texas.
We very much hope that we will see our first students in the fall of 2024.
And we will be modeling new academic governance, which means real academic freedom, not just for faculty, but for students.
And we'll also be modeling new ways in which we can look for academic talent, Very exciting.
than the, I think, distinctly broken methods that universities currently use to do their
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So watch this space.
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But it's far far from being able to challenge The dominant dollar as for central bank digital currencies.
I'm somewhat skeptical about this idea.
I've yet to see an entirely convincing model for how this would work.
In many ways we already have a digital dollar.
We have electronic payments.
They're becoming increasingly efficient.
I'm not sure quite why we would want to copy what is in effect a Chinese idea.
The Chinese have a central bank digital currency.
It's not working that well.
Actually, their payment platforms like Alipay are a lot more efficient.
So can't be skeptical on the central bank digital currency question.
Your most recent book, Doom, I recommend everybody get a copy of it right now.
The Politics of Catastrophe.
Let me just close with a question on the issue of apocalyptic predictions.
The environmentalist movement is a cult.
It is a quasi-religion for those who deny the existence of God.
Gaia is back with a vengeance.
Is it losing steam or has it really grabbed?
You're at a college.
Has it grabbed the souls of the young generation?
Oh, I think there's no doubt that fears of the end of the world due to climate change are very widespread amongst young people.
I mean, they're taught about this stuff from a very early stage of their education.
I think there is a legitimate and serious debate to be had about the impact of greenhouse gases on average temperatures and what that might cause.
But it's a debate.
It's not a settled matter.
And if you look at the writings of, say, Steve Coonan, a colleague of mine, this debate is still, I think, wide open.
But anxieties about the end of the world are something that play to deeply rooted Subconscious fears.
I think this is part of the reason that alarmist accounts about climate change gain so much traction We we have a strange fascination with the end of the world as a species.
It's there in the ancient religions And as I try to argue in doom, that's not really the most likely scenario.
It's kind of been over predicted the end of the world It's much more likely that we'll face Crisis like the pandemic we face that there will be earthquakes, volcanic eruptions.
Those, by the way, are often a great deal more deadly than climatic events.
The recent earthquake in Syria and Turkey killed way more people than the floods in Pakistan, though the floods were covered more because they appear to fit the narrative of climate change.
So my general advice in the book, Doom, is don't focus excessively on climate change.
It's a relatively slow-moving thing, and there are ways we can wipe out humanity far more quickly and scarily, not the least of which would, of course, be a nuclear war.
Yeah.
It's a good title for a book, but it's not something to obsess over.
The book is Doom.
Get it right now.
The Politics of Catastrophe.
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Very last question.
I try to do something sui generis, something unique here, Professor.
But now and again, I have to ape from those who I admire.
My favorite international podcast are two British stand-up, former erstwhile stand-up comics, Constantine Kissin and Francis Foster.
It's called Trigonometry.
And the last question they always ask their guests, and I'll deploy it now.
What is the issue, what is the topic that we are not discussing enough at the moment, Professor?
Almost certainly geological disaster, because we've sort of forgotten what it's like.
It's been a long time, 200 years, since a really huge volcanic eruption capable of cooling the Earth's climate.
And so the more people talk about climate change, the more I brace myself for massive volcanic activity.
That's the disaster we've stopped thinking about.
And as I live in Northern California, I have reason to worry about geological disaster.
Wow, that is not the answer I expected.
There you go.
We have done something unique here.
Thank you for finally making this happen.
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