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March 10, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Jim Hanson LIVE: Brave New Fahrenheit 1984

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	This is America First I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First and I'm delighted to welcome our special guest host, Jim Hansen - Yeah.
	Hey folks, it's Friday.
	Oh my God, am I happy it's Friday.
	It's been a week, but that seems to be all we get these days, is another week on top of another week on top of another week.
	Because why?
	The people who run our world suck.
	Especially the Dems and the woke left and the deep state and the rest of the people who are fundamentally transforming America into a crap hole and taking this world to the brink of World War III.
	I wish that I could just be sanguine about it and say, you know, they probably won't get us all killed, right?
	But I'm not convinced they won't anymore.
	I think they are literally so bad at this that the danger is higher than it's ever been in my lifetime.
	And I lived through mutually assured destruction with the Soviet Union, meaning we all had our nukes on high alert.
	We were all one push of the button away from turning this place into a nuclear winter.
	I wish they were competent, but they're not.
	And that's another reason.
	I mean, that just emphasizes why what we're doing here is so important.
	Because I consider what we are doing here, me talking to you, you guys listening, you going out and doing, the conversation we are collectively having, is how do we stop them from destroying this?
	And I think let's go through a couple examples just so we can kind of set the table for just how bad these people are at global relations.
	And I'm not even going to do Ukraine and the actual possibility of World War III with Putin.
	We'll do that later because Colonel K is going to be on.
	I want to talk about a deal that was just signed.
	China, the Chinese commies, the last quasi superpower left besides us, just brokered a deal between Saudi Arabia and Iran restoring diplomatic recognition between those two countries.
	Now, that may not sound important.
	I hope it does.
	That may not sound as important as it should, though.
	So let's discuss why that's incredibly bad.
	Iran is the problem in the Middle East, and it has been since the 70s, since they attacked our embassy and held everyone hostages for 444 days.
	They are an Islamist.
	They are a jihadist.
	They are a totalitarian state hell-bent on getting nuclear weapons.
	Thank God they don't have them yet, as far as we know.
	But they're working on it.
	And we got during the Trump administration, we finally got everybody to actually see the danger of allowing them to become a nuclear state, of allowing the Obama-Iran deal to actually to put in paper their right to become a nuclear state.
	And now in the course of just one administration, We went from a situation where the Trump administration forged deals with multiple Gulf Arab states so that they would recognize and make, you know, quasi peace deals and trade deals with Israel because they recognized the shared common danger of Iran.
	OK, those were the Abraham Accords.
	We did some work in conjunction with that, trying to help the Gulf Arab states understand that maybe hating Israel is not as good an idea as being friends in some way with Israel against that common danger of Iran.
	So we went in one administration.
	From making deals to gain an alliance in the Gulf against Iran, to now the largest and only truly important Gulf Arab state, Saudi Arabia, who actually helped broker those deals as well.
	They gave the nod and told those countries it was okay.
	Now we've got the Chinese Communists brokering a deal between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
	And where are we?
	We're on the sidelines talking smack because MBS put Khashoggi in a wood chipper.
	Who cares about Adler Khashoggi, Jamal Khashoggi?
	He was actually a propagandist who was paid by Qatar to attack Saudi Arabia.
	And the Washington Post, in their role as propaganda for all our enemies, was letting him have a byline.
	So, I mean, the idea that that was a good enough reason to take the most important ally we had next to Israel.
	And Saudis were always kind of frenemy-ish, but they were an ally during the Trump administration.
	And now they're partnered up with China and talking again, sharing diplomatic relations and buddy-buddying with Iran because, what, they killed a journalist?
	And he wasn't a journalist, let's be clear.
	Again, like I said, he was a propagandist.
	There's proof of that.
	So we've got a situation where they managed to take the entire set of progress that had been made towards peace in the Gulf, and now we've got recognition of the main sponsor of terrorism on Earth, the largest and worst sponsor of terrorism on Earth, Iran.
	Now again, pals with our once friend and ally, Saudi Arabia.
	It's insane.
	The other thing, all right, and Jeff, we're going to want to do cut number one.
	They had such an opportunity to do something, anything in Afghanistan.
	It was right to get out.
	It was wrong to turn over your security in the Afghanistan withdrawal to the Taliban.
	And what happened when we did that?
	We got 13 Americans and a ton of Afghans killed.
	And then in the course of that, we got Afghans hanging onto the wheels of our C-17s and plunging to their deaths as those planes took off.
	Not to mention the thousands of unvetted Afghans we brought to this country.
	So let's play cut number one of a Marine sniper, Tyler Vargas, talking about not being allowed to kill the suicide bomber who took all those people out.
	I requested engagement authority while my team leader was ready on the M110 semi-automatic sniper system.
	The response, leadership did not have the engagement authority for us.
	Do not engage.
	I requested for the battalion commander, Lieutenant Colonel Brad Whited, to come to the tower to see what we did.
	While we waited for him, psychological operations individuals came to our tower immediately and confirmed the suspect met the suicide bomber description.
	He eventually arrived and we showed him our evidence, the photos we had of the two men.
	We reassured him of the ease of fire on the suicide bomber.
	Pointedly, we asked him for engagement authority and permission.
	We asked him if we could shoot.
	Our battalion commander said, and I quote, I don't know, end quote.
	Myself and my team leader asked very harshly, well who does?
	Because this is your responsibility, sir.
	He again replied, he did not know but would find out.
	We received no update and never got our answer.
	I know whose fault it is!
	The commander in chief who set the entire stage for that debacle by deciding that he was going to get out of Afghanistan.
	He was going to have Qatar pay the Taliban to be our security.
	He was going to trust them.
	He was going to close down the airbase we needed to provide any kind of cover for that.
	He was going to let the Taliban take over Afghanistan on his watch.
	and not even let our own Marines protect our troops when they saw a suicide bomber coming at them.
	That is a disgrace.
	There is nothing that will ever make that right.
	And that's maybe on the battalion commander, but he got rules of engagement that told them, do not cause any trouble.
	Do not shoot anybody.
	Don't do anything that could mess up Biden's cut and run Withdrawal, turn over our gear, leave all the guns, disgraceful retreat from what became a decades-long loss of a war in Afghanistan.
	These are the people running our country.
	Now, they are obviously beyond incompetent.
	There aren't even words for how bad these people are at foreign relations, at national security, at anything that could potentially plunge this entire globe into a nuclear or world war.
	But they can't do any better than that back here at home.
	They have destroyed our economy.
	They have turned all government agencies and corporations into racially discriminatory, DEI-based, quota-driven, Places where you can't get a job unless you happen to tech the right box.
	You know that now we've got the schools indoctrinating our kids into the queer agenda.
	They have tried their darndest to destroy this country.
	And there's one thing and one thing alone standing between them and success.
	America first.
	This is Jim Hanson sitting in for Dr. G. After the break, we're going to be talking with Will Chamberlain about more abuse of power of the government agencies censoring and attacking our rights.
	Back after the break.
	A serious moment.
	That's a great movie.
	Alright, no, that's fair.
	You were coming in hot there, so I had to keep it a little emotional.
	I haven't watched that in far too long, apparently.
	I've never seen it.
	It's a great movie.
	It is a fantastic movie, yeah.
	Was Kevin Costner in that?
	Or Daniel Day-Lewis?
	Oh, okay.
	You're thinking of Dances with Wolves.
	Sorry, sorry, sorry.
	Different Indian movie.
	I apologize for my crimes.
	So do we want to take this time to let the Rumblers know what they can do?
	Yes, let's do that, because we screwed up last time.
	All right, Rumble Chat, I screwed you.
	I was on Wednesday, and I forgot.
	My bad.
	Because I consider your role in our joint hosting of this program to be coming up with crazed ideas, or not crazed ideas, whatever you guys think is important for the third hour.
	Come up with some ideas, throw them in the Rumble Chat, Eric will compile them, we'll have a Twitter poll, and then I will do a rant on whatever you guys think is the most important or absurd idea of the day.
	And I also note, in honor of you folks, I did wear the camouflage jacket today.
	So, this thing's nuts too.
	Look at all the buttons.
	So good.
	It's got buttons on it like a military, like an old-fashioned tunic.
	So anyhow, that's on you.
	Rumble Chat, knock it out.
	All right, two and a half minutes, and we have him on the line.
	Will Chamberlain, how you doing, buddy?
	Doing good.
	Good to see you.
	Sorry, I have my important role to rile up the Rumble chat to come up with as deranged an idea as possible.
	Because it's kind of fun.
	They can come up with whatever they want, and then I agree, based on a Twitter poll, I will do a rant on whatever the idea is, whatever it is.
	I know.
	I think it's kind of fun.
	So how you doing, man?
	Doing good.
	Yeah, well good, good, good.
	It's a good place to be.
	Your baby, oh my gosh.
	She was so cute.
	I hadn't seen her.
	No, I had.
	That was the second time I saw her, but she's now turned from that newborn into an actual human where she interacts, which is, that's a cool stage.
	Oh yeah, no, it's super fun.
	Very cool.
	Shipley's gonna come on.
	So he's coming on the third hour.
	Yeah, I know.
	I was I was surprised given everything he's got going on.
	But yeah, I it was fun.
	I had a good chance to talk with him at the party.
	And yeah, I like him, man.
	I mean, he's just what he's doing.
	He's got the right lawyerly attitude for this.
	Yes.
	And I hope we can get enough people behind him because I think I think our boy I'm becoming a shaman fan.
	Yeah, he's the actual competent lawyer in the room.
	There's a lot of people doing this who aren't very good and who are not doing a good job for their clients and not getting good outcomes for their clients.
	Right.
	And that's the difference between us.
	The left can actually send a lawyer on a terrorist raid and he's out on $5,000 bail.
	You know, and we got our people in solitary, you know, how many years later?
	You know, I just, I, the difference between them and us is so stunning.
	It angers me.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we just don't have the real, you know, we're not used to, we're not used to having our people in this situation.
	That's another, I think, problem is that there isn't like a, Well, we need to assume now that the target's on everybody's back, and we need to start legal defense funds, and that just needs to be a thing, you know?
	I mean, there should be an army of lawyers showing up the second any of our people get any kind of attack.
	I can't believe I just said that!
	What the heck?
	Where have we come to?
	to.
	All right, man.
	Well, we're 15 seconds out.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hanson.
	Yes, it is Jim Hanson.
	And as my rant pointed out in the opening segment, the people running our country are not just incompetent, but they're also awful.
	And the problem is where they are competent is in using our security apparatus against we the people.
	And I want to talk next with a good buddy, Will Chamberlain, who is senior counsel at the Internet Accountability Project and also part of the Article 3 Project.
	Will, I am having trouble actually keeping up with all the evidence dropping recently about government collusion with the tech tyrants to censor political enemies.
	I'm stunned, at least.
	We knew it was going on, but the amount of actual proof coming out these days is gobsmacking.
	Yeah, no, it really is stunning how many different government agencies were in on the sort of misinformation slash disinformation racket.
	And I mean, yesterday, I think there was a Twitter files drop and saw something about how people were proposing we need to censor truthful speech that might lead people to draw the wrong conclusions.
	Like straight up truthfulness, you know, truthful speech about their reaction to the vaccine, for instance, that just might lead people to think the wrong way.
	That's totally unacceptable, totally not the way that our government should be working.
	And yet, this is what somehow, not only government agencies, but non-profits and NGOs funded by the State Department and the Health and Human Services, all these people are just involved in trying to get Twitter to create a discursive world that they prefer.
	It's stupid.
	It's unconstitutional.
	It's horrifying.
	Now, they obviously, yesterday was a good day because we had Matt Taibbi and Schellenberger up on Capitol Hill telling the people and testifying to Congress about what was going on.
	Can we play a video cut to Matt Taibbi?
	A focus of this fast growing network, as Mike noted, is making lists of people whose opinions, beliefs, associations, or sympathies are deemed misinformation, disinformation, or malinformation.
	That last term is just a euphemism for true but inconvenient.
	Undeniably, the making of such lists is a form of digital McCarthyism.
	Ordinary Americans are not just being reported to Twitter for deamplification or deplatforming, but to firms like PayPal, digital advertisers like Xander, and crowdfunding sites like GoFundMe.
	These companies can and do refuse service to law-abiding people and businesses whose only crime is falling afoul of a distant, faceless, unaccountable, algorithmic judge.
	Digital McCarthyism and true but inconvenient.
	I swear that, you know, I mean we're writing from Orwell's script here and I think there's two things I'm concerned with.
	One is, it is obviously at some level unconstitutional for the government to outsource censorship.
	What is the course of action though, you being one of the lawyers I want to unleash on the world, what is the course of action we can take to stop that?
	Is it just defunding them?
	I mean, well, first off, under current law, you could file a civil rights suit, a 1983 suit, and sue the government and the private actor that's working with them for a violation of your civil rights, because basically, if a government is violating First Amendment rights, that would be the avenue to go ahead and sue them.
	I mean, under current law, you actually can get a remedy.
	You know, that's why there have been, I think, some somewhat promising lawsuits where people have identified, hey, here's an instance of the government actually trying to censor me, and I'm going to sue the government for that.
	That said, I think there maybe needs to be a little more punishment here.
	I think we need to make this a little more stringent.
	Basically, I think there needs to be laws that specifically deter government officials from suggesting accounts to be censored, making that a criminal offense, making an automatic firing offense, for example.
	That could probably be done at a level of regulations when a future Republican president gets in, in terms of instructing his civil servants that this is completely impermissible.
	Any hint of anybody doing it will be an immediate termination offense, that sort of thing.
	That doesn't require, so you're saying that doesn't require law.
	You could do that through executive action, through the agencies that are to have, because you'd be firing government workers or disciplining them at some level, right?
	Right, right.
	I would assume, I mean, that just strikes me as the kind of thing that obviously, you know, the executive branch could police itself if it wanted to.
	If it wanted to.
	We know the deep state doesn't want to.
	There's this thing I always hear about Article F. Would that be another way to deal with it?
	Schedule F. Where they increase the number of people who are subject to removal or replacement as political appointees as opposed to part of the permanent bureaucracy.
	Is that another good tool for this?
	Right.
	I mean, it's expanding the definition of who counts as a political appointee.
	And since political appointees can be terminated, basically at will, it means that you get a lot more control over the bureaucracy as a general rule.
	I think that doesn't necessarily Overlap with this type of rule, which would be a rule for everybody in the bureaucracy to say you don't get to go to Twitter and do this at all.
	It's just straight up a violation of your terms of employment and an immediate, you know, for cause termination event.
	I'm not sure how I mean, that might have to go through formal rulemaking in order to apply to the civil service or something like to your just low level bureaucrats.
	But as a general, I mean, as a general concept, that's the kind of thing that I think a competent executive branch could easily impose that rule on the civil service and all law enforcement.
	Well, they'd have to have someone then shepherd that, because you'd obviously have the deep state pushing back against that and every one of their pieces of inertia that they use to stop the things they don't want, they'd be using.
	But if a new Republican executive came in and said, I want this done, you know, and Appointed, say, somebody like Rick Grinnell, you know, somebody who's used to pipe hitting to go ahead and say, I'm going to walk office to office.
	You're going to hack off on this.
	You know, you have 15 minutes to register your objection and then you either sign this or pack, you know, and then we get something like that done.
	That seems beautiful to me.
	Yeah, I think that would be a big fix.
	I do believe that this is the kind of thing that a competent White House could impose on the civil service, right?
	Because it's just effectively a rule that changes how terminations proceedings can work.
	And it gives just a little bit more ability to fire.
	I mean, it just classifies something as obvious for cause termination.
	Now, I mean, it's always hard to fire government employees as a general rule so that there's always going to be some amount of sand in the gears.
	But a rule like that, that just so obviously and explicitly bars a particular type of conduct will still have a very strong deterrent effect, I think.
	You know, the funny thing is we actually have to have a discussion that says, if you are found to be flagrantly violating the First Amendment of the U.S.
	Constitution in the course of your governmental duties, you can be fired.
	I mean, that's just stunning that that has to be said.
	But that's literally what you just outlined.
	Yeah, I mean, that's that's what it has to be done.
	I mean, the Biden administration isn't interested in doing it.
	So many of the people who were out there requesting censorship, they still have their jobs.
	Or, I mean, were they voluntarily left a while ago?
	But none of them are being pursued by the Biden administration, certainly.
	All right.
	Well, I like the lawsuits for civil rights violations and I like the terminations.
	We're talking with Will Chamberlain, senior counsel of the Internet Accountability Project.
	After the break, Will, I want to dig into the tech tyrant side of this.
	Because obviously the government was violating the Constitution.
	The tech tyrants aren't bound by that.
	But we also now have enough evidence of their malfeasance and actually, you know, doing their shareholders wrong.
	And I think there may be some ways to come at them.
	So I want to talk about that.
	We'll be back in just a little bit with Will Chamberlain talking a little bit more about how to get the jackboot of the tech tyrant thugs off the neck of the American people.
	I'm Jim Hanson.
	this is America first radio.
	Mind you at the end of this segment to open the phones or you wouldn't?
	Yeah, just get in my ear at like 1 minute 30.
	Okay, so Alex snuck in ministry.
	I caught that, buddy.
	You can't sleep.
	Will, you know the band Ministry, right?
	Industrial rock?
	No.
	Alex Jorgensen just, oh my god, it's just the harshest industrial kind of rawr, rawr, rawr kind of stuff.
	That music that just came out was his first band.
	It was still Ministry, but they had like one of those like during the new age punk or new wave punk era.
	He was like a little bubblegum pop band, little synth pop band.
	It's hilarious.
	I schooled the guys on it last- Before my time, before my time.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, you know, I am old.
	It is a well known fact that I am- I'm starting to feel that way too.
	I mean, my wife is, you know, 13 years younger.
	So the music I know is not the music she- Isn't that funny, dude?
	Cultural references.
	I'm like, what do you mean people have never heard of that?
	Yeah.
	I work on it.
	I hate to be irrelevant.
	So I will, uh, I will stick to that.
	We've got a lot of good suggestions from the rumble chat, by the way, Jim.
	Already nine different suggestions.
	See?
	It's a Friday.
	They're probably all drinking.
	There's one fun one, and the rest are pretty serious.
	Okay, what's the fun one?
	Thin crust, standard crust, or thick crust?
	Oh, that's so stupid.
	That's kind of fun.
	But I mean, that's a 10 second.
	That's the challenge in that.
	Neapolitan pizza.
	That's where it's at.
	Have you been to Pupatella, Jim?
	Have you been to Pupatella?
	Pupatella is amazing.
	No, I haven't.
	Should I go?
	Best pizza place in town.
	I've come to like this thing, by the way.
	Have you been to Pupitella?
	Pupitella is amazing.
	No, I haven't.
	What else are the suggestions?
	Yeah.
	Best pizza place in town.
	Best pizza in town, 100%.
	I've come to like this thing, by the way.
	Yeah, it's fun.
	They're asking how you, Jim, would clean the swamp out.
	With a flamethrower, but yeah, I could do that. - Someone wants to ask about that Silicon Valley bank that just collapsed.
	The one that just got shut down.
	I know, that gets interesting.
	Here's one other fun one I missed.
	Who are the top sci-fi actresses?
	Looks like Will Chamberlain's got a few things to say there.
	I'm trying to think of a good... I like don't...
	I can't think of, like, a sci-fi actress.
	I mean, there's two big ones.
	Sigourney Weaver from that.
	I hate sci-fi.
	Yeah.
	From Alien.
	Well, and... Alien.
	Linda Hamilton.
	Yeah.
	Terminator.
	Yeah.
	That's on.
	Someone also in chat on piggybacking off that said Milo Jovovich from the Resident Evil movies.
	How dare you?
	How?
	I'm sorry, that's not...
	What's wrong with... Those movies are terrible!
	It doesn't matter if the movie's terrible, we're talking about the hotness of the actress.
	Oh, okay, that's... I would immediately divert that to who's the hottest, because here's one of the things, I think I may have mentioned this before, when I was first dating my wife, we were watching something on Netflix, and Netflix does that suggest by genre thing, and it says, Jim, would you like to see some more action movies with a strong female lead?
	And I was like, ooh, do you know me?
	Yes!
	Why, yes I would!
	Hot chicks wearing, you know, skimpy clothing, shooting people, as much as you've got, I'm in for.
	Can I put one in there?
	I think the C you ran on.
	Coolness of Gen Z versus Gen X. Oh, no, put it in there.
	That goes in.
	We know the answer, but I'll put it in anyway.
	We don't know what he has to say, though.
	The difference between Gen X and all the rest.
	Gen X is the last great generation.
	And I am the lead dog, so I do get to carry that torch.
	Yeah, Chad's correcting me.
	If it's a matter of hotness, then of course Milo Jovovich is better.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And then you got, like, Atomic Blonde and all the, you know, all those kind of... I think technically those are sci-fi.
	Fifteen.
	Fifteen seconds.
	All right.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jim.
	It's Jim Hanson.
	Hey folks, glad to be back sitting in for Dr. G. We talked last segment with Will Chamberlain of the Internet Accountability Project about the fact that the government is colluding with tech companies to censor citizens for legal protected speech.
	And he had some great ideas about what to do about that.
	Now we've got to jump the fence because the tech tyrants on the other side Have a lot more freedom.
	They're not bound by the Constitution in many ways.
	And they're private companies.
	We're free market capitalists, more or less.
	How do we, as the conservatives of this, decide that we need to take action against the tech tyrants in a way that doesn't end up biting us in the long run?
	And I think there's a couple of things.
	Right now, the Biden administration is actually pursuing an antitrust Sure.
	I mean, I see antitrust as a blunt object in the sense that, you know, it can have some negative consequences.
	But as far as I'm concerned, Google's brought this upon themselves.
	some other ways we can go after them to go ahead and rein them in?
	Sure.
	I mean, I see antitrust as a blunt object in the sense that, you know, it can have some negative consequences.
	But as far as I'm concerned, Google's brought this upon themselves.
	Like there was I don't know if you guys remember, but I think Tom Cotton had this great speech when he was on a committee interrogating Kroger CEO who was coming and being upset that, you know, the Senate was trying to block a merger or something And Tom Cotton said, you know, I see you guys are redoing all this woke stuff.
	So, you know, normally I might be inclined to defend you, but since you guys have no interest in, you know, actually furthering any values I support, best of luck to you.
	Kurt Schlichter has said, and he will say it again later this show, all weapons are in play at this point because they're not playing by the rules and it doesn't matter at this point if we hold our high and mighty moral high ground if we lose and end up living in a communist paradise.
	Right.
	I mean, and so as far as I'm concerned, these companies need to take a beating from the Democrats to remember who their friends are.
	And maybe next time around, we'll think about helping them when it comes to antitrust.
	Maybe.
	I like that.
	I like that.
	You know, but in the interim, I think even there is definitely some reforms we should try and impose.
	And one of them is a private right of action for people who are censored.
	We should make that essentially unlawful.
	It shouldn't just be unlawful because the government is pushing the button in that case.
	like censoring people on the basis of their political beliefs.
	And we should make that essentially unlawful.
	We shouldn't, it shouldn't just be unlawful because the government is pushing the button in that case.
	I mean, the ability to speak on these platforms is so central that it's, I mean, you don't really have meaningful free speech without it.
	And it also, if you ban the private companies from doing it, you end this whole game where the government tries to suggest people to be censored or to like imply that certain people will be censored, but retain some sort of plausible inability to say they aren't really in control.
	Well, if the private companies can't do it either, then the private companies just have to tell the government, no, when that happens.
	So that's another, another very good reason.
	What's the, what's the mechanism for that?
	Because one of the things I've heard that seems to make sense and that I like is declaring them some sort of public accommodation or a commodity.
	And I would set maybe an arbitrary number.
	If you've got a million customers of any kind, you can no longer censor or deny service based on things that are not illegal.
	You create a tort, right?
	You create a type of lawsuit, basically, with a federal law.
	And it's a new type of lawsuit that says that if you are a social media user on a platform with more than X number of followers, and you get banned or deplatformed or censored for reasons we deem impermissible, then you can walk into court, get an injunction that forces the company to restore your account, along with attorney's fees and maybe some punitive damages as well.
	And that sort of law means that you don't need like a regulatory agency to be deciding, and you don't need to rely on regulators.
	Although you could if you wanted to add some additional teeth.
	But you basically would be relying on private litigants to walk into court and essentially punish the companies if they breach their obligations.
	And because companies hate lawsuits, they don't really want to walk into a bunch of them over banning lawful speech.
	So they, I mean, if you pass a law like that, they really pull off the accelerator.
	And there you go, we want to change their behavior.
	And I think you hit on a point, if we create administrators, they will eventually be subsumed into the permanent bureaucracy.
	And so they'll eventually turn that against us.
	So I think I like the idea of leaving it in the hands of the people.
	Yeah, and using lawyers, right?
	I mean, generally, the right has been a little reluctant to use lawyers, because they have leaned left and donated left.
	But ultimately, lawyers go where the money is.
	And so if The right says that, okay, here's a new pot of money.
	If companies are banning our voters, then you trial lawyers can make some money suing them.
	They'll go sue them.
	I mean, yeah, they'll chase ambulances.
	They'll certainly chase, you know, a little censorship thought policing action.
	All right.
	I like that.
	And I appreciate having somebody like a lawyer.
	It's funny.
	I know too many lawyers now that I am on good terms with.
	It used to be only if they were criminally defending me.
	I'm going to open up the phones right now.
	1-833-33-GORKA if you want to talk about government abuse of power.
	But I really appreciate Will Chamberlain, Senior Counsel of the Internet Accountability Project, for both his good ideas and his constant good work trying to maintain the few liberties we still have and clawing them back from the hands of the deep state.
	I'm Jim Hanson.
	We'll be back with more America First Radio after the break.
	Appreciate it, man.
	You are nothing but money on these topics.
	Say hi to Jordy and give the baby a little kiss on the head and we'll talk to you soon.
	All right.
	Talk to you soon, man.
	All right, man.
	Bye.
	I want the Gen X thing.
	So that's definitely going to be a topic.
	I might game the Twitter poll.
	I didn't say that.
	You people didn't hear me say that.
	He's hiring Dominion to secure it right now.
	I'm going to go hire a bunch of Russian bots.
	Oh, I should have said that.
	Now we're going to get sued for $17,000,000,000 just because I said that.
	Okay, so I can go through the other ones real quick just so we have an idea.
	So the sci-fi one about the J6ers still being in jail.
	Okay, that's kind of... We're going to actually have Shipley on, so that's going to be in there.
	Yeah, that doesn't need to go on.
	Oh, it's a long drawn out one, but the summary is the same.
	We're using the soapbox, the ballot box, and have created use of the cash box with limited effect.
	Is the eventual use of the ammo box inevitable?
	Is civil war inevitable?
	Yeah, I mean, you boil that down.
	I mean, that's fun.
	What should Trump do in a second term?
	We've talked about that a lot.
	Burn it all down.
	How would Jim clear the swamp?
	I would man a flamethrowing tank for Donald Trump across.
	And the nice thing is I live on the hill above the Pentagon.
	I could start going downhill, go right across the bridge.
	Ten minutes, I'm at the Capitol.
	Not that I would be all insurrection-y or anything.
	Unless it's necessary.
	Last resort.
	An interesting one here from a regular chat.
	A draft to defend the borders of the United States.
	Now, that's an interesting idea.
	Some came up about that Wednesday with the idea that, should the governors, right, essentially be doing more federalist-y stuff?
	And if you're a governor, do you have the inherent authority to go ahead and defend your border?
	Your state's border is your responsibility, you know?
	I mean, I always used to think we should have troops on the bottom of the Wisconsin border to keep the fibs from coming in from Illinois.
	And anybody, first person who knows what FIBS is in the chat.
	Realistically, every state in California's orbit should defend their borders from California.
	Aren't Idaho and Oregon right now talking about swapping counties?
	They're working on it.
	13 counties have voted in some capacity to say they want to secede.
	Can they do that?
	What do you have to do?
	Apparently both states' governments have to agree to it.
	That's what I've read.
	And that's it?
	The feds don't get a say?
	Allegedly.
	Allegedly comes down to the states.
	That would be really cool.
	That would be a great thing to be agitating for, because that's how we go ahead and build out from Florida.
	We just eventually begin annexing chunks of Georgia, you know, and... Acceleration.
	Let's go.
	But yeah, Idaho's already a great place.
	Let's make it even better.
	Idaho is an interesting place.
	It really is.
	As I've said before, what sucks is that the Electoral College, obviously, is a great idea.
	The Founding Fathers never took into account That maybe they should have done, like, an individual electoral college per state.
	Like, so that the city... Alright, hold on, hold on.
	We're getting close.
	I forgot.
	What's the next segment?
	Do I have somebody?
	This is the D segment.
	You don't have anyone.
	Oh, alright.
	Schlichter's next.
	You wanna do a read here?
	Top of the hour?
	Top of the hour.
	Yeah, I wanna do a read.
	Oh, I got Schlichter, top of the hour?
	Yeah, but that's a few segments later.
	Okay, I'm gonna follow on with what I was talking about with Will.
	Sure.
	You wanna do food here, then?
	I wanna do food here.
	Food here.
	Okie dokes.
	Because if I waste time with Schlichter...
	I never get a word in edgewise with him anyhow.
	That's not true.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hansen.
	Yes it is, Jim Hansen.
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	All right, we just spent a little time talking with a smart lawyer I know.
	Like I said, I think I mentioned it, but it's getting weird to me the number of lawyers I'm on particularly good terms with.
	But it's not just Will Chamberlain, it's Kurt Schlichter, who doesn't really seem like a lawyer, but he is.
	And Ron Coleman, we have a lot of really smart, good lawyers on our team.
	And I think that's what we were missing.
	And I talked a little bit with Will about this in the break.
	We need to just assume that we have to be as good at lawfare as the left is at all of their actions to use the security state, to use corporations, to use every power they have control of right now To put us in jeopardy, to take our livelihoods, in some cases to take our freedom, like the January 6th defendants.
	They have absolutely no qualms.
	They will lie, cheat, and steal, and we're just supposed to take it.
	I mean, if you look at the difference, our J6 people spent years in solitary for trespassing in Trump gear.
	And an SPLC, Southern Poverty Law Center lawyer, went on a terrorist raid against a police training facility in Georgia and was out on $5,000 bail.
	I mean, I can't even begin to tell you how wrong and hypocritical that is.
	You know, we have two levels of justice.
	Now, we have to work on that.
	At the governmental level, we have to take over.
	We have to fight those fights and win them, and then change some of that.
	But we also, in the interim, need to be prepared to support our people.
	We need to back the people being abused by the system.
	Later on in the third hour, we're going to have The shaman's lawyer on.
	Shipwreck crew, Mr. Shipley, will be on to tell us what he can.
	Because there's a lot coming out, as I'm sure you've seen, about how the narrative about January 6th was complete BS.
	And, huh, weird.
	And now I think the almost comical thing is to watch all these people on the left who have constantly said, oh, we need journalism is the highest level of freedom.
	Democracy dies in darkness until it's journalism that's damaging their invented narrative, their propaganda story, their lies.
	And all of a sudden, Tucker Carlson is a danger to the democracy.
	Some idiot congresswoman when the people were testifying for the Twitter files, Schellenberger and Taibbi, called them people who are dangerous to our republic.
	A literal danger to the republic.
	And all they're doing Is putting out information, as they said, that's inconvenient truths to the narrative lies that the left has been able to perpetrate for so long.
	You know, I think it's a danger to let them get away with it.
	And so I want to suggest that when you see, and I know most of you are good about this, but donate to legal defense funds.
	Donate to causes where our team is fighting back, whether it's offensive lawfare, you know, Dylan Law Firm, Harmeet Dylan's firm, which Ron Coleman is a member of, they do a lot of good work.
	Running a lawsuit for DC Drano, who in California had his account shut down on Twitter because the state of California complained to Twitter that they didn't like what he was saying.
	Wasn't illegal, wasn't wrong, he was actually correct.
	But he had the wrong narrative, so they shut him down.
	We need to support the people fighting for our team.
	And we're not insurrectionists.
	We're not going to fight a kinetic civil war right now.
	But I wrote a book, Winning the Second Civil War Without Firing a Shot.
	To win that second civil war without firing a shot, we have to fire Figurative shots.
	And those come in the form of lawsuits.
	Those come in the form of any kind of activity that goes ahead and puts them on the defense and our team on offense, and also defends our team when they can.
	So I think it's a situation where we can no longer sit on the sidelines.
	None of us can.
	We're all.
	If you're listening to this radio program, you're probably, if you're doing it over broadcast on a radio, you're probably still safe.
	If you're streaming it like my good rumble chat friends, if you're doing anything else, someone is tracking you.
	And they know you're part of the evil knuckle-dragging troglodyte right, the hater right, who's trying to hurt poor little trans two-year-olds who we won't let turn into boys into little girls, you know?
	They're watching that.
	They're tracking that.
	And we need to make them pay a price because there are pieces of the Constitution that still haven't been whited out by the Supreme Court.
	There are laws in place.
	There are causes and ways for us to push back against them.
	And you need to assume.
	You're in the crosshairs.
	You know you are.
	I know I am.
	I'm on every decent list that those scumbags keep.
	And because of that, I literally, we had a forensic accountant go through our taxes just to make sure there wasn't a single thread they could pull.
	Now, I'm not suggesting you have to do that because you're probably not as actively kneeing them in the neck as I am.
	But do something.
	Protect yourself.
	Protect your friends.
	Stand up for our friends.
	Help our allies.
	Fight back against the woke left because they're coming for us and we either beat them at this game or they take us down and finish that fundamental transformation that Obama made the mistake of out loud saying.
	I'm Jim Hanson.
	We will be back after the break with, you know it, Kurt Schlichter.
	You'll do a Kurt imitation.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I don't think I can.
	I've never tried that.
	You know what I mean?
	He's got a very distinct style.
	It would be about seven Bulwark wedding nights, Jim.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Because he's got a very distinctive style.
	I don't know if I can talk that fast.
	I mean, literally every guest host ever, at some point, just unintentionally or not, does an impersonation of Seb.
	Right.
	Because it's there.
	It's just Dr. Sebastian Golka.
	But Kurt, yeah, Kurt's a whole boy.
	Alright, now that's a challenge.
	I'm going to go home, and over the weekend, I will work it up and have my Kurt Schlichter imitation ready for the show.
	You also gotta picture the scenario.
	Are you doing, like, Kurt doing a rant on Never Trumpers?
	Or are you doing Kurt- Oh, it has to be Bulwark.
	I was going to say, it could also be Kurt facing off against Fuentes fans.
	That'd be a fun impersonation to do.
	Like, what he would say to a Fuentes fanboy.
	I don't know why all these little sawed-off runs with their wannabe Nazi stuff.
	See, I don't have it.
	There's nothing there.
	Alright, that's a challenge.
	I have a plan.
	Alright, well then I need something to talk about.
	I should, uh... I want to do International Women's Day.
	We got a call, too, if you want it.
	Okay.
	It's a woman.
	What does she want to talk about?
	It's literally on the call board.
	It says, JJ, woman.
	Schoenberger and Tybee.
	OK.
	Want me to go ahead and get ready to make the poll, or do we want to wait for one more segment?
	We've got a ton of options.
	Yeah, let's wait, because I want to hear them again, because there were a bunch of good ones.
	Rumble chat's coming through.
	They had a lot of suggestions today, yeah.
	They got pent up aggression, just like me.
	When I don't guest host for a while, you know, I come in and I'm all fired up because I got stuff I haven't had any place to talk about.
	And you know, my wife, she's got like a limit.
	It's like she's got a countdown timer.
	She's like, you used up your hour of bullshit for today.
	I don't want to hear about it anymore.
	One last reminder, Rumble Chat, any last minute, last call for suggestions.
	We'll be taking them in this segment.
	45 seconds.
	I gotta get my bot army ready.
	Get the minion on speed dial now.
	You just want to get sued, don't you?
	We're going to see how that turns out.
	I don't think that goes well for Fox.
	I think they got a real problem.
	They should have settled.
	I mean, any judge at this point will rule against Fox just because, you know, it's Fox.
	Is it a bad judge?
	It's Jim Hanson.
	Hey, welcome back.
	We've had a lively show so far, and it's not going to slow down.
	I lied.
	It's not Schlichter this segment.
	He comes up top of the hour after the news.
	But I want to take a call right now because we have JJ, who is identified as a woman on the board, so I would know that, from Orlando.
	So welcome, JJ the woman.
	Oh, that's so funny.
	Yeah.
	Well, two things.
	I wanted to say that Taibbi and Schellenberger, I don't know if I'm saying their names right, they should be lauded as modern day Bob Bernstein's, you know?
	Oh, no doubt.
	I think they did.
	Well, and the fun thing was they held their own when the Congress critters started attacking him.
	Tell us your sources.
	You know, I mean, something they would never do to a left wing journalist.
	They're like, oh, well, we're not going to treat you.
	We're treating you like hostile, you know, enemy propagandists.
	It was crazy.
	Exactly.
	And then just real quick, the left pretends to have the corner marketed on compassion and care for the gender confused that they actually foster.
	And they just want to affirm them in their confusion.
	You know, that's a great point.
	And you actually, thank you, JJ.
	You did two things for me.
	One, great, great comment on the on the Twitter file stuff.
	And also we had International Women's Day.
	This week, and the Biden administration handed out an award to a biological male.
	What kind of progress have women made that now on International Women's Day, they could award a person who is not even vaguely a woman?
	I think that is tremendous.
	We also had the one of the European banks.
	I don't know one of the big government, you know, banking entities had their embrace Equality is no longer enough.
	is their hashtag.
	And they had all their executives doing this thing where they were hugging themselves.
	Oh, I put my arms around myself to embrace equity.
	And they literally said, they let the truth come out.
	They said, equality is no longer enough.
	We need equity.
	And that just, I thank them for that.
	I tweeted it out this morning.
	Because equity is equality of outcome.
	It's not equality.
	It's equality of outcome, which is the opposite of equality.
	They want everyone to achieve or get the same results and gain the same awards, accolades, and spoils, whether they were good, bad, indifferent, or even really tried.
	And I think that's something I've been waiting for them to go ahead and embrace.
	Equality is no longer enough.
	We are going to pick the winners and losers.
	We're going to use quotas to choose who fills what positions.
	And if you don't like it, you know, it doesn't matter.
	I don't, it doesn't matter that women don't want to be You know, linemen working in hurricanes to fix the lines in large enough numbers to make the equity.
	We're gonna hire them no matter what, and we're gonna not promote people unless we have the correct quotas.
	Thank you for your honesty, because that's communist, socialist crap.
	And I appreciate every time the left is honest, whether it's, you know, by accident or not.
	So that's another place we can actually let normal America hear the truth.
	Equity.
	It's the next thing.
	Now we're going to have some news and you can catch the headlines and catch up.
	And after that, we will have my good buddy, Colonel Kurt Schlichter.
	I'm Jim Hansen.
	This is America First Radio. America First Radio.
	America First Radio.
	America First Radio. America First Radio. America First Radio. America First Radio. America First Radio. America First Radio. America First Radio. America First Radio.
	How's it going, Colonel K?
	Alright, let me get into position.
	Don't mind if I do whiskey shots.
	Not at all.
	Are you guys drinking already?
	We're like one hour into the show and the crew's getting lit.
	I would have been doing that.
	I used to do, when the internet first started this whole thing, I used to do the Friday Free Fly with my buddy and we'd do it at a bar and we had literally booze sponsors so we'd start drinking at like noon and talk shit for an hour.
	Kurt!
	I gotta tell you, I'm really glad I never knew you when you pranked.
	Oh my god, dude, it was a dangerous... I probably wouldn't have liked you very much.
	No, I was... I was... Yeah, you would have, man.
	Dude, that was hilarious.
	And I was unhinged.
	See, unhinged and hilarious get old.
	Yeah, no, that's true.
	It was something you had to have in doses.
	Yeah.
	And my dose is... Dude, are you doing Darren Beatty hair today?
	Is that the thing?
	Oh, you like it?
	It's lively.
	You like it?
	Yeah, man.
	I'm always jealous.
	I got out of the shower and it all puffed up.
	Look, this is my hairdo.
	Best I can come up with.
	Jim, for the third option of the poll, should I just do the crust question?
	I could wear this.
	What is the crust?
	Let's just start on the path.
	Let's talk about Ukraine, because I want to hear about your theory about Ukrainians blowing it up.
	Because I know nothing.
	I don't know.
	We did.
	We got abuse of power.
	We got J6.
	We got Ukraine.
	Let's just start on the path.
	Let's talk about Ukraine because I want to hear about your theory about Ukrainians blowing it up.
	OK.
	I know nothing.
	All right.
	Although I am scuba qualified, I did two scuba dives and I I don't know, what's it?
	Forty-five.
	You don't need to start with anything!
	too hard on that because I got a buddy from first group who's a combat diver coming on next hour oh yeah so uh well that should be interesting I know right yeah he's a fun guy I don't know what 45 well we can start with Ukraine you can start with anything uh how about military recruiting uh is there anything that happened
	or is it just awful because that's...
	They have a poll that just came out that the Republicans are trying to get, but the Army won't give it up.
	And the Army's saying, oh, they didn't say anything about wokeness at the poll.
	No one cared about that.
	Let's see the poll.
	No.
	All right.
	We'll open with that.
	All right, Joe.
	The poll.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	And I'm delighted to welcome our special guest host, Jim Hansen. - Yeah.
	Hey folks, I'm happy to be back, and I know who's happy when I guest host.
	It's Alex, who gets to pick the sound music, because I either give him good ideas, or he plays stuff he knows Seb would strangle him for, and it's awesome.
	So we get interesting bumper music.
	But right now, we got interesting guests, with my good friend Kurt Schlichter, who is the author of the Kelly Turnbull series, of which you should buy, they should buy the whole set, Inferno's the latest one, but they should just buy the whole set and have you sign them, right Kurt?
	Damn right, and I was just writing number eight.
	Now, I know what you're thinking.
	Why is Schlick wearing a hat?
	Because you mocked my hair!
	I mocked your hair because I don't have hair.
	I accused him of having Darren Batey hair, because Darren's hair is awesome.
	You know, and he generally... and look at that!
	That's impressive!
	Look at that!
	It's a thing.
	For those of you who aren't watching the live stream and doing this on radio, Kurt's hair is like six feet above his head.
	It looks like it's on fire.
	It's incredible.
	I look like a flock of seagulls.
	That's what it is!
	That's what it is, because Gen X is the most dominant generation of all time.
	We run things.
	But look, buddy, you've got what you've got on is a U.S.
	Army hat with cavsabers on it, as I see.
	No, rifles.
	Is it rifles?
	All right.
	I was 11 Alpha.
	Okay, there you go, there are Flintlocks.
	But I wanted to ask you, you had mentioned in the break that there was a poll that may or may not say some bad things about Army recruiting that they seem to be hiding, and what do you know about that, buddy?
	Well, look, I know that Jim Banks, who is a representative, he's a Navy guy, we want to hold that against him.
	Let him slide, kind of military.
	Representative from Indiana, great advocate for our military, running for Senate, he got Mitch Daniels not to run.
	So he deserves prayer for that.
	Anyway, he's been hassling the army because the army says, well, we did a poll and the poll says the problems with recruiting are that people are afraid of being harassed or the barracks aren't nice.
	Or, you know, they're just not thinking about the military.
	They just don't care.
	They're just not patriotic.
	Oh, and there's no, no one mentioned wokeness and no one mentioned COVID vaccines.
	So Jim Banks said, well, let me see the poll.
	And the army said, well, no, we can't because of reasons and lawyers, which, and I being a lawyer know that that's hogwash.
	Hogwash being the polite term.
	That's really interesting.
	So I think there needs to be a little oversight because last time I checked, doesn't, is Banks on armed services?
	I think he is.
	You know, or if he's not, somebody on armed services might want to ask for that.
	Well, yeah, I think they will.
	And of course, you know what the wokeness question will be?
	You know, are you opposed to inclusion and giving everybody a fair chance?
	No.
	See?
	You don't care about so-called wokeness.
	Here's the thing against me.
	You were a first sergeant.
	I was a company commander, battalion commander.
	And this will tick you out.
	You're gonna get mad.
	One of the generals had come along and said, you know, one of the reasons our young people today don't want to join is they're afraid of getting hurt.
	Let that spin around your mind.
	Now, keep in mind, 13 of these guys, you know, were killed in Kabul.
	Gross incompetence of the military leadership, senior leadership.
	I know what happened at the battalion level, and they did a good job.
	But these guys went out to uncleared Afghans, didn't hesitate, got close to them, because that was what they had to do because they were put in that position.
	They didn't hesitate.
	They weren't scared.
	This is a grave insult to our people, Jim.
	I'm So it's so hard to maintain FCC compliance by insulting our young troops.
	And that's the thing.
	It's not that those people are scared to get hurt.
	It's that they're not being shown a reason to go ahead and join.
	Why would you join the U.S.
	military right now?
	What's the mission?
	The mission is pride parades and pronoun practice.
	You know, what do we do?
	We ran away in Afghanistan, got our people killed.
	You know, we have shown absolutely no ability to project power in a meaningful way.
	No one's scared of us.
	And the only thing you could do is potentially be cannon fodder in World War III.
	You know, I wish the patriotic kids of this country were being told the truth about it because they would enlist in droves.
	Well, look, they're making a rational choice.
	They see a military leadership with a gross track record of incompetence that hasn't won a war since, well, 30 years ago.
	I was there, I remember, and I gotta tell you, winning's better than losing.
	They don't trust the leadership to have their back.
	This vaccine thing was a cancer.
	The woke thing is a disaster.
	And, you know, it is now a legacy operation.
	Most of the people joining up are people whose parents were in the military or whose relatives or who had a vet say, hey, you know, you should join.
	And they listen to that.
	Now, all I get today, I was on the, you know, I was on yet another text thing with a bunch of freaking broken down old colonels going, I'm telling everybody, don't do it yet.
	And if you do join, we totally support you.
	But you've got to understand, this is not a military that is going to take care of you.
	And that's a funny thing, because it was also when economic times were bad.
	You know, there were plenty of people who would join then, or who would join just to get college benefits and things like that.
	If we can no longer even attract people for that reason, You know, and we're down to the point now where the military, like all of the other major institutions in our country, is simply an organ for social engineering, you know, and pushing that agenda.
	I can't imagine how you tell someone to join.
	Well, look, there are a lot of people who joined the military who had a bunch of other options.
	There's some guys who grew up, my first sergeant at my first company, he said to me, you know, Lieutenant, My brother's dead.
	My sister's a prostitute.
	I'm a first sergeant.
	I'm respected.
	But there are a lot of guys who have a choice.
	You can go to law school or you can go into the army.
	I chose to go into the Army.
	I didn't have to.
	I wanted to because I wanted to do it.
	And those are the people we want.
	True.
	Now, I had kind of a mixed path into the Army because my dad was a Vietnam vet, two tours, two years in Vietnam with 11th Armored Cavalry and the Big Red One.
	And he was a West Point grad.
	So I had that path in front of me and then I went to the University of Wisconsin-Madison and I partied like a rock star for one semester and I got five incompletes.
	So you were literally D-Day?
	It was D-Day.
	I was like a slacker.
	Yeah.
	And I did it.
	And Wisconsin was a well-known party school.
	And I got home and my dad saw that report card and he crumpled it up and threw it in the fireplace.
	And he told me to get out of the house and I need to get a job where they can't fire me.
	I should consider the army.
	And so I swear to God, that's a fact.
	And now you're hosting a national radio show.
	That happened.
	It's a great story.
	Yeah.
	But the thing about it is that military- And now you're hosting a national radio show.
	Well, and it turned my life around.
	And your wife is amazing.
	And my wife's a retired lieutenant colonel and a paratrooper who was on the fourth bird in a desert storm.
	It just, it changed my life for the better in a way that I don't think it can anymore.
	And I think that's what we've lost.
	You know, even if you were a complete screw-up like I was at the time, I learned discipline, I was given a mission, I was forced to actually accomplish tasks instead of just, you know, stealing oxygen and keeping my uniform off the ground.
	And I don't think we have that anymore.
	Yeah, I mean, look, I was just a suburban kid.
	I wasn't particularly, you know, tough or hardcore.
	I hadn't led anything before.
	And the Army gave me the opportunity.
	I wouldn't be here without the Army.
	I want that for our young people.
	And I want them to know what it's like to be part of an organization.
	The United States military is the greatest engine of human freedom and liberty in human history.
	Not even a close second.
	It should be something that people are fighting to be a part of.
	Yeah, and the thing is, if we lose that, we've lost a great egalitarian, meritocratic piece of this country.
	When I went to high school, I came from Green Bay, Wisconsin.
	We had one black kid in my high school in the fourth quarter, and it was a Jamaican exchange student.
	There were no black people where I lived until I got to basic training.
	And then all of a sudden, hey, we all bleed green, we're all the same, you know, and it became a place where you were judged not by anything other than your ability to do your part of the mission.
	Exactly.
	Look, I went to Officer Candidate School.
	I went through basic training.
	I get put in this platoon with guys.
	Look, I'm a suburban kid from California, man.
	I'm with guys from the South, the North, lumberjacks, cowboys, farmers.
	They all thought I was crazy because of my wacky alternative music.
	I was like, what kind of music is this?
	Well, I like two kinds, country and western.
	And we all had to work together.
	- Look, let's not be modeling about it.
	It's not always fun, and I'm not saying that people didn't throw fists once in a while, but you got past it, right?
	And you worked together, and when it works, it's pretty damn cool to be a part of.
	And as you said, there has never been a greater force for good.
	All right, we're talking with Kurt Schlichter, senior columnist for Town Hall, author of the Kelly Turnbull series, including the latest edition, Inferno, where he shoots a lot of people and also passes a billboard sign advertising my steaks, which I thought was great.
	This is Jim Hanson.
	We're going to do some more America first radio with Kurt after the break.
	Here comes the weekend.
	You know, I got this competition with Sam, and on Friday it's whoever, between the two of us, calls weekend first wins.
	You know, whoever's got their official functions done first, you just call weekend.
	Nice!
	I know, I know.
	And I actually cheated.
	I figured out how to win the game at 12.01 a.m.
	last night.
	I called weekend, and then I get a text this morning.
	They're like, Seb's not gonna come in today.
	Can you guest host?
	I'm like, ugh.
	But technically this isn't work.
	I would do this anyhow.
	You know what I mean?
	Even if they weren't paying me the massive, you know, rockstar salary that I demand for this, I would still do this because I got stuff I need to say and it's kind of fun.
	Yeah, man.
	You got a nice little podium going.
	Look, I accomplished all.
	I went to the gym.
	I got my teeth cleaned.
	I have never had a cavity.
	Wow.
	Ever.
	Okay, that's impressive.
	My teeth, my enamel is so cold.
	Is that a selling point?
	Is that what you were telling Irina?
	Irina, when we make children, I'm going to pass on this enamel.
	It's incredible.
	No, it's a recessive game.
	The kid's mouth, it's like Carl's Bad Cap.
	Are they there?
	You better hope.
	They're upstairs.
	One of them's upstairs.
	Two of them, maybe.
	I don't know.
	How do you keep the dogs out?
	Do you lock them up elsewhere?
	Oh, they're upstairs.
	They're just chilling.
	Hey Jim, let's do one of those car reads.
	We've got three of those this hour.
	Oh, that's right.
	Okay, we've got to do a gun read.
	Do you want to talk anything about guns?
	Hell yeah!
	How about the new army gun?
	Let's do that.
	Let's just slag on the army, because screw those guys.
	We'll be those old guys.
	Nothing like that.
	And an earthquake!
	That's why I was in the army.
	We didn't laminate our stress cards!
	The other thing I want to hit, Jane Fonda was on The View.
	Aw, Chat was mentioning that.
	And she said we should, who was, what did she want to murder?
	She said she wanted to kill troops, I think?
	Hang on.
	No, no, no, no.
	It's in my Twitter feed if you can't find it.
	But we can do Jane Fonda urinal targets.
	Oh.
	Because that was one of the great joys, was drinking beer and peeing on Jane Fonda.
	Ah, it's a classic.
	Yeah, she literally on The View said, Something, and I can't remember if it was politicians or somebody.
	How do we stop them from doing this?
	And they had crossed, and she says, murder.
	And then they all kind of did this.
	And they said, what did you say?
	And she goes, murder.
	And they're like, well, she doesn't really mean murder.
	And Jane goes, literally.
	So just, yeah, whatever it was.
	Well, let's reset those norms, you crusty old whore.
	Oh, it was abortion foes.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	One minute.
	How do we stop them from doing that about abortion?
	We should kill them.
	So they want to stop killing babies, and the way to stop them from stopping killing babies is to kill them.
	That's beautiful.
	All right.
	I just need to know the rules, Jim.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know.
	I am more than willing to play by any rules they want, and I hope the more violent they make them, the better.
	Well, you know.
	47.
	Hey!
	It's Dyke Trump!
	How could that go wrong?
	Yeah, well.
	I wish I had more faith in our ability to do anything about that, but we'll see.
	We'll see.
	We have some lively judges.
	I would like to see things.
	Some prosecutors.
	Okay, they're gonna walk in the house and make a bunch of noise.
	Which is good.
	Ring the doorbell, I'm on the air!
	Sing stories!
	No, tell them, tell them.
	Make noise.
	On the air, guys!
	15th.
	Welcome back to America
	First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hanson.
	See, Alex is messing with me again.
	That's the Hobbit music, right?
	Or Lord of the Rings or something?
	Alright, well at least people get stabbed in that.
	Hey listen, I thank God every day that America is the freest nation on Earth and we remain free because of the right to keep and bear arms.
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	Well, hey, we are talking again with my good friend, Colonel Kurt Schlichter, who likes to carry a gun or two himself, who has carried them in defense of this country, and you had brought up at the break the debacle that they're turning into the army who we're slagging on today because they suck.
	They're screwing up their ability to replace the weaponry our troops will need when they get us inevitably into World War III.
	What exactly have they messed up so far?
	Well, look, they're looking at a new gun, Squad weapon.
	They called it the XM-5.
	They're going to have to change that to XM-7 because some civilian guy had XM-5.
	Of course.
	First of all, they've got this new caliber that doesn't significantly aid in ballistics.
	They want to be able to defeat armor, so they want to use a tungsten penetrator.
	But guess who owns all the tungsten?
	The bad guys.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's all China.
	Uh, the best part is they did their tests on this gun and they're like, okay, that's a great gun.
	It's a nice looking gun.
	Isn't it nice looking?
	Um, but the civilians took it and they put it in the mud and they dragged it through the mud and when they dragged it through the mud, it, uh, oh, I'm back.
	Uh, when they dragged it through the mud, It jammed after one shot.
	Guns never get dirty, though.
	Now, of course, I ran a heavily armed car wash, so I'm not exactly Audie Murphy, but even I know that you want to be able to shoot more than once.
	And you also want your gun to fire if it's got a little dirt on it, because every place I ever went, there was mud and crap and piles of dung and everything else, man.
	It was awful.
	OK, so let me ask another question, because once we change calibers, One of theirs, my dogs.
	I knew they were going to come for it.
	There are the dogs.
	But one of the things they're doing is they're changing caliber.
	Now, one of the things you want to be able to do is find more bullets.
	One moment, Jim.
	Can you shut the damn dogs up?
	And you know my house.
	You know exactly where she's going.
	I know.
	You know, they're sitting on me.
	Wow!
	But you want ammo that you could get somewhere else.
	So the whole point of 5.56 being a standard and 7.62 for the machine guns for a long time was that was around you could get elsewhere.
	If you switch to some obscure caliber, then all of a sudden you're the only ones with that.
	And you can't capture ammunition to use for your own weapon.
	Yes, that does provide a problem considering none of our allies are using it either.
	And with no significant ballistic benefit, why would you do this?
	And the answer is, we're the guys who thought creating a uniform with a camouflage pattern containing colors not found in nature is a good idea.
	Yeah, ooh, it's digital, because this is digital and we can hide from computers.
	I mean, what the?
	From the internet!
	Exactly.
	We can hide online and no one will see us.
	And incidentally, I am wearing my camouflage today, my urban designer camouflage.
	But hey, I want to bring up another person be hated by all military people because of her disgraceful un-American activities in Vietnam, helping our enemies, the North Vietnamese.
	I'm talking about Hanoi Jane Fonda.
	Now, here's the thing, all right?
	She was on The View talking about how to stop them from stealing the right to kill babies.
	She's very pro-abortion.
	I mean, as a dirty, skanky, skeezy, you know, whatever she would be.
	But she came up and they asked, well, how can you do that?
	And after they had eliminated the normal thing, she says murder.
	And even the Harritons on The View freaked out.
	They're like, oh, no, no, you didn't actually mean murder.
	And she's nodding her head.
	She's like, yeah, murder.
	And to me, that was just another reason to bring back the fond memory, back when I drank, of downing a couple beers and then going into the team room bathroom where the Jane Fonda, the Hanoi Jane urinal target, would be there and peeing on her head.
	I'm sure you've done that there at a VFW or somewhere.
	That's a classic moment.
	It's a rite of passage.
	Every time the Democrats go, I support our troops, and yet they allow this hideous crone to associate with them.
	It tells you what they really think.
	And as far as Jake Bonner, look, we've had a problem with shattering norms, except the problem hasn't been us, because they shatter norms.
	And then we make them into a suppository.
	There are three guys sitting on the Supreme Court, because the Democrats shattered the norm of filibustering judges.
	Now, if they want to shatter the norm of no political violence, I'm against that.
	It's a bad idea.
	But I think that the people who don't own a bunch of guns are probably going to come out On the tearful end of that tunnel.
	It's not a good idea.
	She should shut up.
	No, no, no, she won't.
	Shut up.
	Well, she's not going to, though.
	That's the good thing.
	And it brings to mind that time-honored phrase, payback's a medevac.
	You know, if you guys want to play by those rules, you could end up.
	Payback's a pawned up.
	You better hope that Alan Alda, nice left-wing butthead that he is, is there at the MASH unit when you show up getting loaded on that medevac.
	And I find it just ironically, crazily painful that you're talking, this is a woman who is fighting to support the right to kill babies.
	And she's so virulently in favor of that, that she's willing to kill judges and politicians to maintain her right to infanticide.
	Bravo!
	I mean, bravo!
	You are a great moral human being.
	Well, she was always willing for the communists to kill Americans and torture them.
	There you go!
	So this is nothing new, and this is our enemy.
	You know, I think people need to be based, as you have said many times.
	They need to understand the nature of our enemies.
	Dude, buy a watch, figure out what time it is.
	These are not friends who think differently.
	They're not people with a different viewpoint that we should build bridges to.
	These are people who want us disenfranchised or dead.
	And I gotta tell you, I'm 58 years old.
	I'm too old to be a sir.
	And I was never any good at it even when I was younger.
	I was actually worse at it then.
	Now I've at least got something to lose.
	When I had nothing to lose, I was ungovernable.
	Now that I have stuff to lose, I am going to remain ungovernable, and I think that's a good thing.
	So you're working on book eight of the Kelly Turnbull series?
	It's called Overlord.
	I've written a couple chapters, and it is pretty damn based.
	Weird.
	Weird how that happens.
	I know.
	A lot of gunplay.
	A lot of action.
	A lot of woke satire, which sadly has been overcome by events.
	I wrote People's Republic seven years ago, and people were like, you know, I love the book.
	It's entertaining, but a lot of this stuff about woke, blue America, that's never gonna happen.
	And now they're like, Kurt, you're a prophet.
	That's the problem.
	We can no longer keep up with the left.
	They are such a caricature of everything that we said.
	Satire's dead.
	Yeah, satire's dead.
	Colonel Kurt Schlichter, author of the Kelly Turnbull series, buy Inferno, buy the rest of them, get him to sign them.
	Be ready for when Overlord comes out.
	And get and stay based, because that's the way to live.
	I'm Jim Hanson.
	and we'll be back after the break with more America First.
	Arena walks out the door so she can't shut them.
	So I can see her outside, she's getting some out of the car, shucks it around!
	I've actually had them in my little podcast.
	I have the dog.
	People love the dogs.
	They're kind of past the jumping up into the frame stage though.
	I actually had them in my little podcast.
	Right.
	Well, you should.
	I'll have the dog.
	Come on, dude.
	People love the dogs.
	People love the dogs.
	Dogs are great dogs.
	I know.
	They're a little small.
	Yeah, well, you can.
	I live in a small shoebox.
	I do like the table.
	What are you guys getting out here?
	here exactly i live in a small shoe box it's it's a beautiful house dude you have the coolest table and eating area i have seen in forever why are you guys getting out here you're coming out like it's fun yes we will be out there Sam's event's the 26th in Bakersfield.
	And we're not sure if we're going to drive or fly, because the world is a flexible place.
	But I'll let you know as soon as we have plans.
	Well, remember, if you fly, I'm right near LAX.
	Right, and that would be beautiful.
	And whatever it is, you will know.
	You guys fly in during the day, grab a hotel room, come on over, we do our thing.
	Dude, it's done.
	I am just waiting on the boss to let me know what my schedule is.
	I will make steaks.
	I have made them before.
	Dude, they were so good.
	You're going to make New York strips again?
	Yeah, I'm going to make New York strips.
	I can't believe it.
	Oh, dude, that was so good.
	I know.
	I rooted you through the trash.
	Everybody out there is like, what are you talking about?
	He's like, these are New York.
	I'm like, they're ribeye.
	No, they're New York.
	I literally rooted through the trash.
	To prove me wrong.
	To prove you wrong.
	And you're like, Yeah, I'm glad you rooted through trash.
	I don't mind being wrong.
	I don't know why you cut the cap off a ribeye though.
	I'm going to meet you.
	We need to go to Costco.
	Two minutes.
	And I want to meet this so-called butcher and I may have to choke him because cutting the cap off a ribeye is evil.
	It ain't right.
	Whoever, he's my hero.
	I'll do New York's this time.
	We could do.
	We could do New York's.
	I haven't had New York's.
	I always do because they don't, if I get that side of the loin, they don't dry age as well in my dryager.
	So I always do a ribeye just because they're just luscious.
	I'll do some New York's.
	I'll have some cream spinach, a little bread.
	I'm having wine, I know you won't.
	Oh, yes, we'll do it.
	that wussified cheese stuff that sam likes that would be good too that was it yes we'll do it was it brie one of the one of the french wussified dude you drink wine and you eat i keep saying wussified because i can't say the word that i would normally i know what you mean because i'm good i'm gonna own it I know, dude.
	You can own it.
	Come on.
	You're that kind of guy.
	We can do that.
	I can wear designer clothing and you can drink wine and eat wussified cheese.
	Because we're manly men.
	Alright, brother.
	Well, it's been a pleasure.
	I will see you.
	Say hi to the dogs and Arena.
	See you soon.
	Alright, bye.
	The moment when he called for the dogs to be shut up.
	That, to me, it was like straight out of The Sopranos.
	Carmelo, could you please shut the door?
	All right.
	This is the C segment.
	Another car read here.
	Okay.
	I got a car.
	The short one?
	Yeah, short one.
	So we do the C segment.
	And then I got, after this segment, I've got Pete.
	Yeah.
	And the third and final car read.
	And then I guess you could probably do the food for the poor for this hour in the E segment.
	I think you are correct.
	All right.
	Poll is really close.
	Thank you.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hanson.
	Hey, folks.
	I got a bit of a comedown.
	It's always an adrenaline surge when I do two segments with Kurt.
	We get each other pretty riled up.
	And rightfully so, because things suck.
	And we have to point that out.
	And we don't want to.
	It's not like I want to slag on the Army.
	I love the Army.
	All right?
	I love the military as much as anything.
	So I don't think there's any reason You know, for me to be considered anti-military in any way, I'm 100% pro-military, and I just want them to quit sucking.
	All right, well, let's talk about the greatness of America at its core is our freedom.
	No other country is as free, and we remain free due to our right to keep and bear arms.
	No other company in America personifies that right more than Carr Firearms Group.
	Their story is the American dream, and their products are absolutely second to none.
	Carr Firearms Group is your source for high quality firearms.
	Visit them at www.carr.com.
	And buy a gun!
	I mean, come on!
	That's one thing.
	Kurt and I both say it.
	Buy guns, buy ammo, and even more important than either one of those, because even if you only have one gun and no bullets, train with it.
	Because a gun that you don't train with is a danger to yourself and others.
	So dry fire it.
	Take it, practice, practice your draw.
	If you can see you'll carry, practice.
	That's one thing I think people forget.
	You know, muscle memory is vital, but don't ever think because you shot.
	Six months ago at the range, that somehow you're current.
	If you're carrying in any way, open, concealed, whatever, if you got a gun on your nightstand, every time you see that thing, you should be thinking, hmm, is it loaded?
	Where am I gonna shoot?
	If I was sitting right here, what am I gonna do?
	What are the mechanisms on this?
	Is it a revolver?
	Is it a semi-auto pistol?
	Do I have a safety?
	Is it a double action only where I just pull the trigger?
	Know your gun.
	Become friends with your gun.
	Love your gun.
	And then, when and if you need to shoot somebody, you will do so safely.
	And let's not even pretend.
	Guns are not designed for target shooting.
	They're not designed in case the deer revolt and we have to shoot the Kevlar vest armed deer, you know, protected deer like Biden likes to bring up.
	It's not what it's about.
	All right?
	Guns are a God-given right as our weapons and self-defense.
	They're just an evolution of that right.
	Meaning you have the right to protect yourself.
	And now that that is the chosen mechanism, if that's what you choose, make sure you're proficient.
	And I think that's something that far too often gets overlooked.
	So go to the range.
	But like I said, you don't have to go to the range.
	There are safe ways to practice dry firing.
	There are safe ways to practice your draw.
	If you're carrying concealed and you're not practicing your draw, then you are not safely carrying in my mind.
	So take all those things, you know, take them to heart.
	Learn those kind of things and you will be a responsible gun owner.
	Because they may try to pretend they can play all the games in the world about there's no such thing as the good guy with a gun.
	We know that's BS.
	We know that's one of those lies that the media tries to pull, the narrative they try to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.
	There are millions of times a year where a gun prevents violence.
	They can talk all they want about gun violence and this and that.
	We know how those stats are manipulated too.
	The vast majority of gun deaths are suicide.
	The rest of them are criminal acts, mostly gang violence and things like that.
	Once you get down to the number of responsible gun owners who are committing violent acts that are illegal is a number so small that they can't even do the math on it to go ahead and attack people with it.
	So be one of those people.
	And if you ever are faced with that situation, every second you spent training, every draw you did, every dry fire, looking at a target on a wall that you did, is going to serve you well and hopefully keep you alive.
	And keep in mind that that requires you to know one phrase inside and out.
	I feared for my life or the life of others.
	If you can't say that, then you have no business shooting anyone.
	So there you go.
	That was a little impromptu class on firearms and shooting and being a responsible Second Amendment advocate and member of the well-regulated militia, which if you're carrying or even if you're not, you still are.
	You can opt out, but you're included in that by the founders.
	Just be good at it.
	That was why they wanted you well-regulated, because it means well-trained and ready to be part of those who keep this country and its people safe.
	So let's do that.
	I'm Jim Hanson.
	We will be back after this break with a buddy of mine from First Special Forces Group, Pete Crittenden.
	He is the author of some good books.
	We'll talk about guns.
	We're also going to talk about whether Ukraine could have blown up the Nord Stream Pipeline.
	More America First after the break.
	More America First after the break.
	More America First after the break.
	I'll send it.
	You want me to send it to him again?
	Oh, I thought you gave him his Skype address.
	Yeah, alright.
	I'll ask him though.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Attached to either a armored vehicle or a...
	Mine would be push stop on the remote control, because it's not real.
	That's a joke.
	You can't do that.
	You can't jump out of the simulation, buddy.
	On that note, Roundhammer117 in the chat, he's a regular, he says, And the government owns everything anyhow.
	What are you going to do?
	over M5.
	You cannot copyright a model nomenclature.
	And the government owns everything anyhow.
	What are you going to do?
	Yeah, I'm in with that.
	Done.
	Yeah.
	I'll do it on my way home.
	I will holler it out the window to the Pentagon as I pass it on my way to the house.
	Also, this is a comment I should have... Oh, do we have them?
	Hang on.
	This is a comment I should have mentioned while Schlichter was here, but Doe Livery in the chat, another regular, says, best hair club, Trump, Gates, Schlichter.
	Ooh, all right.
	Yeah, but you gotta have Beatty in there, because I mean, it's all... It was very Beatty-ish.
	All right, we got him.
	It just says video not available.
	I don't think your video's on.
	We'll try.
	Okay, yeah, we can hear you.
	Coming in with car music in line.
	Yeah, the car music.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Now you're calling me, Pete.
	You need to call, uh, them.
	He's connected with us.
	The video's not enabled.
	Well, now he's connected with me on my Skype.
	Alright, tell him to end and I'll call him back.
	I'm gonna end on this one and he's gonna call you back and we'll do video on that one.
	50 seconds.
	Yeah.
	I'm gonna close my Skype just in case.
	Yeah.
	Howdy, howdy, howdy.
	Alright, we hear ya.
	I think you just gotta hit the video or the camera button.
	- Should be able to enable your video, yeah. - Jim, I'll give you a cue when to start reading after this liner.
	Okay.
	Yeah, mic's off.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
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	All right, well, this is Second Amendment time here on America First Radio.
	And we do we have Pete on audio at least?
	Here, but it keeps wanting to call you.
	Okay, there.
	Is that better?
	Yeah, we're good.
	But we got a good picture of your head.
	So we're going to go ahead and just use the video or the picture of your head because we'll use the ideas coming out of it.
	So Pete, I wanted to have you on for two reasons.
	Number one, I know you are a very serious gun guy.
	We both are.
	We were in 1st Special Forces Group, the pointy end of the 1st Group's fear in Okinawa even.
	Now, I guess I talked with Kurt Schlichter a little bit about the new army squad weapon, and they're changing calibers and are doing some other things.
	What's your thoughts?
	I'm always concerned when you move to a non-standard caliber that you can't scavenge ammunition.
	You think that's going to be an issue?
	That is exactly my concern.
	They've gone to a new caliber, which is not standard throughout NATO.
	Exactly.
	You've got a problem with it.
	It's immediately an exotic round.
	And then, you know, I mean, it's one thing, okay, it may and the problem is, apparently, it's not even that much more ballistically, you know, interesting, you know, in a meaningful way.
	And you've taken away the chance for people to be familiar with the round to have it to train with and all those other things.
	So I think the military is trying to be a little too cute, which seems to be a problem for them these days.
	Yeah, and of course the other problem is, what's wrong with the 308?
	There never was anything wrong with it.
	They just decided it was too heavy and people get tired carrying it.
	Wait, I want to ask you.
	Now, we both were in first group, obviously, that I spent enough time in Washington State to be concerned about what was happening there, even back in the days I was there.
	But they seem to have gone crazy, and they just passed in the Washington State House a new piece of legislation that would declare pretty much anything other than a flintlock rifle and a Colt single-action army pistol to be an assault weapon, which they want to ban.
	And I'm just curious, do they actually think they can get away with this?
	Well, they're going to have to get past the Constitution, and they're going to have to get past the recent Supreme Court rulings.
	And their law, you know, a legislature can pass any law it wants, but here in the United States, we do have a litmus test, which is called the Supreme Court.
	And near as I can tell, the last couple of major Supreme Court rulings, D.C.
	v. Heller and Bruin, which Justice Thomas just gave us, did two things.
	D.C.
	v. Heller enshrined an individual right, apart from any so-called militia or National Guard need, for a citizen to keep arms.
	And then Bruin has extended that to the other half of that, which keep and bear, meaning you can't prohibit people from being able to carry the weapons in self-defense.
	And Washington State seems to think they no longer have to play by those rules.
	Well, we know We know their perspectives on things.
	I mean, just look at the way they're conducting business in their own state, what with the CHAZ and the CHOP, and they're just ultra left-wing, ultra liberal, and it's the same sort of thing.
	People think they can legislate, you know, the tide from not coming in and, you know.
	Yeah, and I think you're onto it, though.
	We always think that California is the place, the laboratory for woke insanity, but I think people who know will actually let you know that you can drive right up that coast, and once you hit Oregon and Washington, you drive through normal America once you get to the northern inland empire part of California, and then you hit San Francisco.
	But once you hit Oregon, the Portland part, and Seattle, you are in woke crazy town.
	I was in Portland about a year ago, and it's like a bad dystopian science fiction film.
	I mean, a total socialist paradise.
	The downtown is a disaster area.
	We drove down, we were driving from, my wife and I did a lap of the country back a year ago, and once, even every place down the highway that you can see, there are homeless encampments.
	I mean, it was stunning, not just dozens, there were hundreds, maybe thousands of homeless people in encampments all along, and it starts in Seattle.
	You know, they've got entire communities where they literally have been building themselves little ramshackle tenements For homeless people to live in, and they don't seem to think that this is somehow not a sign that their vision of society is failing.
	Going from the airport in the direction of the center of the town, it's just mile after mile of shantytowns.
	It makes me think of a Steinbeck novel, but at the same time, the closer you get to the interior, you can see these are the kind of homeless people who are there because of drug addiction and mental illness.
	And the benevolent, tolerant left has decided that rather than help those people, even if you have to help them by force, we're just going to let them flounder and die in squalor.
	I think it's horrifying.
	It just shows the failure of the left.
	All right, well, we got to take a break.
	But Pete, after the break, I want to dig into your mind because you happen to have some expertise as a special forces combat diver.
	And I want to talk a little bit about the Nord Stream Pipeline sabotage.
	So we'll be back right after the break with my good buddy Pete Crittenden, author of Survival Mindset.
	And we'll go ahead and dig into whether or not the Ukrainians could have been the ones who actually did the Nord Stream sabotage.
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	And we're back with my good buddy, Pete Crittenden, who is the author of Survival Mindset, a great book.
	But he's also got a novel, which you can also find at Amazon, called 1,000 Drops of Rain.
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	Pete, I got a question for you, because you are a special forces combat diver.
	Could the Ukrainians have hired either commercial divers or some former special ops guys to go ahead and do the Nord Stream sabotage?
	Is that technically possible?
	That's within the realm of possibilities, but you've got to start looking at likelihood.
	Okay.
	Which is what we do in the intel business.
	Now, would it be likely that Ukraine would, is it in their interest to cut off fuel that is required by their wannabe NATO allies in a very spectacular manner.
	I don't think that's highly likely.
	If you want to go down the list of likely characters, number one, United States, we said we were going to do it, Then it happened.
	Then we didn't deny it.
	It's within our capabilities.
	We didn't deny it for like, what, two weeks or more?
	Then we came up with this pipe dream that Ukrainians did it.
	Now, let me give you a reason why it would be, why Ukraine might want to do it, because you mentioned that this threatened the energy supplies of their NATO allies, which gave those NATO allies a reason to be invested in Ukraine's war.
	So if Zelensky's looking at it saying, all of a sudden this war is dragging on and people may not be wanting to continue to back me, but yet all of a sudden the Nord Stream pipeline blows up and now they've got skin in the game, the Euros need this, you know, and the U.S.
	can't allow stuff like that to happen, then all of a sudden he does have a reason to do it.
	Who else has a reason to do it?
	Well, let's see here.
	India.
	If they can cut off, you know, Russian sales of energy to Western Europe, India's getting a really good deal these days on low prices for energy from Russia, although that's kind of extraordinary to think they would go to these kind of lengths.
	Russia itself, could they sabotage the thing?
	They're capable of it.
	I'd say that's pretty low on the level of likelihood, but they are capable of it.
	But I guess now we don't have a lot of time, but I just I just wanted to clarify this one.
	I think it was Ukraine.
	And now there's a there's stories that it was there was a sailboat, it had Ukrainian nationals on it.
	But it is something that technically, if you had people, you know, we're only talking 80 to 100 meters, right?
	Deep dive, hard dive, but still possible for non Navy SEALs.
	Certainly, and nowadays with mixed gas capabilities that are out there.
	And if the Ukrainians did it, they didn't have to use Ukrainian nationals, they could have used contractors, i.e.
	mercenaries.
	Right.
	And as you said on Twitter, which I thought was one of the funnest things about this, we know it wasn't U.S.
	Navy SEALs, or there'd have been a movie, a book deal, and some hair gel endorsements.
	Pete Crittenden, author of Survival Mindset and 1,000 Drops of Rain, books you should get.
	Thanks for your expertise, buddy.
	Thanks very much.
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	I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First, and I'm delighted to welcome our special guest host, Jim Hansen.
	Well, I am delighted for Sebastian to welcome me as guest host.
	And as guest host, I am delighted to welcome Mr. William Shipley, who is one of the lawyers who is doing tremendous work for all of the January 6th defendants.
	Not all of them, but he's got a pretty extensive list of clients that he's supporting.
	And what I want to point out is you should be helping him because he needs funding to keep these guys from getting steamrolled by the abuse of power and prosecutorial misconduct and everything else that's going on.
	So there is a Give Send Go that is January 6th defended.
	Is that correct, Bill?
	January 6th Legal Defense Fund.
	I wrote that down and then even read it wrong.
	January 6th Legal Defense Fund.
	Please go.
	And if you need to find a link to that, you can find his Twitter, which you should follow.
	And go ahead there, and please help if you can, because he's doing what he can to stop some of the tremendous miscarriages of justice underway.
	Now, Bill, there's been a bunch of that we've seen, and we've been watching as the American people for the first time some of the things that actually happened on January 6th that they've been hiding from us.
	How's that affecting some of your clients, including one who gets a lot of attention, but how's this going to help the shaman?
	Yeah, Jake Chansley became my client not long after he was sentenced.
	He was justifiably unhappy with the work that his lawyer had done, and in a roundabout fashion, I had a conversation with his mother, and it just, out of serendipity, Jake called his mother from the Alexandria detention facility at the same time I was on the call with her.
	And so the three of us end up in a three-way call just out of the blue, and that call went four hours.
	Wow.
	So I've been with him now for about 14 months, 16 months, I think.
	And we've explored lots of opportunities and options for him.
	But this is something new.
	You know, I've been very critical of lawyer Albert Watkins.
	Albert Watkins went on TV and said he never saw these videos that Tucker Carlson played earlier this week.
	I have now reviewed the file that I got from Albert Watkins, all of the materials, and those videos are not in the material that Albert Watkins had.
	So there's no reason for me to think Albert Watkins didn't send me everything he had.
	And if that's true, he didn't have them.
	Says he didn't have them.
	I've never seen them before.
	Well, why would you not?
	Why would his lawyer not have seen them before?
	That seems to me to be one of the most fundamental violations of the government's right to present a defendant with potentially exculpatory evidence, which that certainly looks to be.
	Yeah, the facts are a little more complicated.
	I don't want to get away from known historical facts.
	Chasley pled guilty in August of 2021 pursuant to a plea agreement that his lawyer recommended.
	His lawyer negotiated it with the prosecutors.
	His lawyer recommended it.
	In August of 2021, The Department of Justice was still telling judges and defense lawyers, don't set trial dates.
	We haven't got you all of the video evidence yet.
	They were building a database where they put all of the video evidence in.
	That was not done until December of 2021.
	So The Department of Justice was being candid at that point that we don't yet have a mechanism to develop or to give you everything we have.
	That's it.
	So let's accept that as a factual proposition.
	They should not have gone into court before Judge Lambert portrayed Jake Chansley as the personification of evil.
	And in the face of the insurrection, and described him as being violent, when there were videos in their possession that showed a lot of activity contrary to that.
	The videos show him getting a guided tour, more or less, of the Capitol, with Capitol Police helping him gain entry to places he was asking potentially to go.
	And none of it Well, they called him the face of the insurrection in their paperwork.
	in the Senate.
	He was nothing more than a figure.
	And didn't they actually claim that part of the reason he was sentenced so harshly was because he became an emblem of the insurrection?
	Is that something they can actually do?
	Well, they called him the face of the insurrection in their paperwork.
	Now, I'm a little bit, you know, I'm becoming more and more jaded the more I see.
	It's like, did somebody decide that this guy in this kooky getup made the perfect iconic photograph?
	Yep.
	And select him for that reason, and put him on the cover of Time, and then proceeded to demonize him?
	Because that was the narrative.
	Sure seems like it.
	We've talked about it.
	It sure seems to line up, because the fact is, they had a lot of evidence that would have undercut That imagery never been released.
	And Nancy Pelosi Democrats never released it.
	Kevin McCarthy did.
	Now, is that something is that does that fall under prosecutorial discretion?
	Can they do something like that?
	You know, even though they're presenting a semi inaccurate narrative, but it's not technically false.
	They can't mislead the court.
	Okay, you can't do that.
	You know, that's, that's a comment I made on Tucker.
	That you can't only provide half the information to the judge.
	The judge doesn't have any independent way to get video evidence.
	He only knows what the parties give him.
	When the government puts forth only evidence that paints the defendant in the most, in the worst possible light, and then withholds from the defendant the opportunity to establish some counter You know, narrative or conclusions.
	That evidence never sees the light of day.
	That's just fundamentally unfair.
	It might not, and I can't say this yet conclusively because I haven't seen it.
	I can't make any judgments on what I haven't seen.
	It might not ultimately have made a difference in terms of guilt versus innocence.
	The government really played up going in the Senate chamber.
	Everybody that went in the Senate chamber has been treated pretty harshly.
	So it might not have made a difference on guilt versus innocence, but it certainly would have had some impact on Judge Lambert and maybe caused him to question the narrative that the government created in its paperwork and with the limited videos it showed.
	Because, I mean, they went in, and even the people who went in there, it's not like they were in there doing human sacrifice or doing anything heinous.
	It was more like cosplay, you know, where they're going, OK, we've gotten into this place where everyone is famously known to give speeches, and they're giving speeches and taking pictures.
	But they weren't burning it down.
	They weren't destroying it.
	They were basically making a political play Absolutely.
	In the plea agreement, once again his lawyer talked him into an early plea before he had all the evidence.
	known that you can use this to help him in future potential appeals or anything?
	Absolutely.
	Now, in the plea agreement, once again, his lawyer talked him into an early plea before he had all the evidence.
	In that plea agreement, his lawyer traded away his appeal rights.
	He gave them up.
	So when I took over his case, I had that appeal waiver confronting me.
	It's like, okay, can I get around the waiver?
	If I can't get around the waiver, what remaining options do I have?
	You know, those are typical kinds of evaluations you've got to make when you come into a case after the trial phase is over.
	But, you know, because this evidence was apparently, and there are still questions to be answered, you know, questions to be asked, answers to be obtained, because it was apparently withheld, or as the law says, suppressed by the government.
	That may create some avenues for us to get the matter back before Judge Lambert.
	And I believe if we can get it back before Judge Lambert when he's given a full portrait, of Jake's activities, he might think that 41 months was overly harsh.
	That's up to Judge Lambert.
	Now, here's the unfortunate consequence.
	Jake is very close to being released.
	You know, the Bureau of Prisons' math isn't real math.
	There's opportunities.
	He was sentenced to 41 months, but there are things that he can do, programs he can participate in that allow him To trim time off of his sentence.
	And he has done that.
	And his ultimate time in custody in a BOP facility, crediting her for the time he spent in jail here in D.C.
	awaiting trial, his ultimate sentence is only going to be 26 or 27 months.
	And then he'll be released to a halfway house in his home community for a certain period of time.
	And he's rapidly coming up on that number.
	Once he's released, what more reasons are there for him as a remedy?
	He's already served the time.
	Well, I think we're going to have to talk about things like potentially the government recompense to these prisoners who were treated unfairly.
	William Shipley, there's a Give, Send, Go, the January 6th Legal Defense Fund, Give, Send, Go.
	Please help if you can, because he's helping a lot of other people as well.
	Bill, greatly appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	I got reads for days the next couple of segments.
	Two more foods.
	Well, you got four segments and three reads left, so you can split them up nicely.
	Who was his first lawyer?
	My cousin Vinnie?
	I mean, what?
	What a horrible miscarriage.
	And no appeal?
	I know.
	It really does come down to the lawyers, man.
	And we need better lawyers.
	I mean, Will said it.
	Shipley's one of the best we have.
	He's a pro.
	Look at Mike Flynn as another example.
	At that point, they demonize it so much.
	Who's going to take that case?
	That's what they do.
	And we need to make it, though, so the people who take those cases, we force our corporations and our people to still work with them.
	That's the game.
	It reminds me of the kid in Charlottesville.
	Like, I mean, say what you want about, like, the car crash or whatever, but they were going after him for, like, first-degree murder, basically saying, you plan to murder this particular woman.
	And I'm like, you could not prove that in court.
	You could easily have gone to trial with that, but his horrible legal team said, oh, just plead guilty and take the life sentence, like...
	And the thing was, I think there was reason to believe he also just got spooked.
	Yeah.
	You know, I mean, I hate to see people do that.
	He obviously was a member of a collection of professional D-bags, but that doesn't make him a murderer.
	No.
	Makes him an idiot.
	And you don't go to prison for life, you know, for being an idiot.
	Like 400 years or something, whatever they gave him.
	Yeah, it was stupid.
	That should have That was totally political.
	In a lot of ways, you look back, the way they handled Charlottesville was kind of a dry run for how they handled January 6th.
	That's a fair point.
	You know, they've been looking to create their show trials, their kangaroo courts, and all of it.
	And, I mean, I don't know if they're watching old Soviet Union stuff or what they're doing, you know?
	The Chinese commie stuff.
	The Soviets, though, they were the kings of the great show trials.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know, and if you look, actually, what's most reminding me of that is all the congressional hearings.
	The impeachments and the You know, the January 6th commission was a 100% Soviet show trial.
	Oh my god.
	From start to finish.
	Again, when Tucker exposed the lie about the Josh Hawley video, it was really that easy, right?
	Yeah.
	So bad.
	90 seconds.
	And of course, the winner of the poll was Draft to Defend Our Borders.
	That's fine.
	I like that one.
	It's a hell of a topic.
	I wanted to do the Gen X because I love, you know... Ducking on Zoomers.
	And also, you know, patting myself on the back for being super cool.
	Get to talk about all the cool stuff I've done.
	I'm vain.
	That's right.
	It's not like I'm fooling anybody, right?
	You've earned it.
	You've earned it.
	Or something.
	I take it whether I've earned it or not.
	Which is part of Gen X. That's the whole thing.
	We take what we want.
	You can't get in our way.
	We don't care.
	So good.
	I kind of miss it.
	Who was I talking to?
	I was talking to probably Schlichter at CPAC.
	I think him being when him, me and Seb were sitting down.
	Like, do you remember how hard we used to party?
	I mean, because I can kind of remember it.
	It seems like a movie.
	And fortunately, they made movies about it.
	I could watch those and go, yeah, I was that guy.
	I went to Santa Barbara, I know a thing or two about that.
	Your Wisconsin Madison in the 1980s was Playboy's number one party school.
	Ranked.
	and rightfully so.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hansen.
	All right.
	Well, as we head into another weekend, please remember the campaign to help food for the poor rushed life-saving food to hungry children in Honduras.
	And I want to thank everyone who has already donated to this important life-saving cause.
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	Children like other children in this region are not developing according to their age due to malnutrition and families in unimaginable misery.
	Here, infant malnutrition is an epidemic.
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	Okay, the poll is done.
	The Rumble Chatters and the Twitter folks have picked a topic for me.
	We'll talk about having a draft to secure the border in one of the upcoming next segments.
	I want to open up the phones, though.
	833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752.
	And I don't care what you want to talk about.
	It's Friday Free Fly.
	It's whatever is on your mind.
	And we got one call up.
	We got Bob from San Antonio.
	What's on your mind, buddy?
	Hey, well, I was just going to kind of get out the open here that the San Antonio City Council has decided to engage in wokery along the lines of San Francisco.
	Maybe we should be called San Frantonio.
	They've put a measure on the ballot for May that's going to decriminalize theft up to $750 and theft of service up to $750 and then some larger number for vandalism.
	So if somebody busts the window, grabs a purse, they walk.
	Yeah Do they not want businesses to operate in San Antonio?
	How can you do that?
	It's killing San Francisco.
	You know, there's small businesses, Walgreens, big businesses are moving out.
	What do they think is going to happen?
	I don't think they care because I think our mayor has made a deal to get help with campaigning and trade for this.
	We're the group that wants it.
	OK.
	And he's and he's got his eye on, you know, a cabinet secretary or president or something like that eventually.
	So, yeah.
	He could be Kamala Harris's attorney general and go ahead and destroy the country.
	Not that the current guy isn't destroying the country fast enough, but can you imagine President Kamala Harris?
	It'll never happen, but it's funny to think about.
	Appreciate the call.
	And I think this it's just another symptom.
	And one thing as we The woke counter attackers continue to push our fight to regain control of this country, reminding people that there are no places where Democrats have controlled a city for a long time that did not turn into an absolute crap hole.
	All of them have.
	And the major cities, you look at anyone that has had, and a lot of them have had Democrat rule for decades.
	And they all suck.
	The crime, the corruption, you know, the horrible living conditions.
	And they think that's the model.
	That's the thing that I don't get.
	Their model is, no, no, no, we should move everyone into the cities, we should stack them in these You know, small little apartments, and they should walk 15 minutes to all of the conveniences that will be destroyed by the rampaging criminals we're gonna turn loose on the streets, making people too scared to leave their apartments, and then hopefully ordering Uber Eats to try and survive, except nobody except rich liberals can afford Uber Eats.
	I mean, it just doesn't work!
	Their entire plan falls apart when you figure out that everything they try sucks and every place they've tried it gets suckier.
	And now their ideas, you know, it falls along the lines of what we've never tried, true socialism.
	Oh, my God.
	So what we need now is we need 15-minute cities where all of a sudden, once you do that, then all the nice, shiny, happy, leftist, woke people will move in and they'll walk to their artisanal arugula stand to get their fresh produce.
	And they'll go to their coffee shop where they'll have single bean, shade-grown, pooped out of an alpaca's butt coffee, whatever.
	And all these things will be wonderful, and all of a sudden, all the people who live in the cities who are criminals and poor and don't like that stuff, we'll rob them blind and destroy their entire cunning plan.
	Honestly, I think it would make a great reality show.
	You know, if they do this, I would call it the 15-minute crap hole.
	I almost said it.
	It would have rhymed better.
	The 15-minute city hole.
	Right?
	Right?
	You know what I meant.
	Anyhow, let them try.
	You know, let them run with that.
	And I, unfortunately, if you live in those places, move!
	Move to Florida.
	Move to Tennessee.
	Move to someplace decent.
	Move to Texas and make sure we don't lose that.
	But even better, and I think this is what we forget, move to purple states.
	Move to places that are in play.
	I'm from Wisconsin.
	I hate the fact that my home state is constantly in jeopardy of Milwaukee and Madison overwhelming the rest of the state, which is a great place, and turning that all into a woke paradise.
	You know, I mean, they'll lie, cheat, and steal, and do whatever they have to do.
	But unless we have our people living there, and I guess I left, so I don't know.
	I guess I don't have the greatest claim to that whatsoever.
	But I live in Virginia, and I lived in Virginia before it turned red.
	I helped turn it red.
	Didn't do a lot, but we helped, Junkin.
	So I think there are ways for you to have an impact, and I think you have to.
	You either do it now, And if you can't leave, okay, I get it.
	Everybody has family, you've got obligations, you've got work and all that.
	But you need to look five to ten years in the future and see if that's going to be a sustainable life for you.
	And if it's not, why not leave now?
	Why not go someplace and share it with like-minded people?
	Enjoy the fruits of federalism, which gives us the right to go ahead and associate with people we like and not have to be under the thumb of mob rule by the coastal elites, as they call themselves.
	I hate that.
	I'm going to try my hardest to stop saying that because they're not elite.
	They're losers.
	They're parasites on the back of the productive class.
	And just because they went to school longer than me or a lot of other people does not make them elite.
	I have produced tangibly good things for this country, for my family, for companies I've founded, for employees who have worked for me, and overall for our way of life.
	And to me, that's a heck of a lot more elite than someone who got multiple degrees in intersectional, feminist, racist, forest elf, trans, biology garbage.
	So, don't put up with their crap.
	If you can fight it at home, fight it at home.
	If you can pack it up and move to a purple or a red state, do it.
	But whatever you do, stand up for our team.
	I'm Jim Hansen.
	We got half an hour more of Friday Free Flying on America First Radio, and we'll be back after the break.
	All right.
	So I did poor.
	I got one more poor.
	We'll do that last, last segment.
	Remind me.
	Last segment, you'll do the final food.
	We will feed the poor during the last segment.
	And then I owe consumers research once.
	Okay.
	So we'll do that next.
	Yep.
	This segment.
	Alrighty.
	I'm actually remembering my, I might turn into a pro radio guy at some point.
	You started off with natural talent from the very beginning, so it's not perfect.
	But that's just flapping my gums.
	There's a difference between being able to flap your gums, although I was hitting my time hacks, so that's a little pro.
	There are some people who just prefer having as many guests as possible to help them get through a show.
	It's not too common that a person can carry a show pretty much by themselves.
	Well, like I said, it's part of the guest host, for me, mentality is I've got a lot of things that my wife's sick of listening to.
	You know, I don't have enough friends over all the time.
	It's funny, you were mentioning Junkin earlier, I was actually chatting up with the Rumblers as well, saying that my spicy take, if I actually had to pick like a post-Trump GOP nominee, my first pick would be JD Vance, my second pick would actually be Junkin.
	Like, I've said before that I would rather have Junkin for president than DeSantis, if I'm being entirely serious, because Oh, Alex sounded so offended just now.
	The thing is, Youngin, he is doing every single thing he said he would.
	He's cracking down on CRT and the trainees and reigning the schools in.
	He's doing it quietly, he's doing it effectively, he's putting the right people in positions of power, and he's not He's not wasting time with dumb publicity stunts like, I'm a boss of illegals up to New York City!
	Like, he's not wasting time with crap like that.
	He's just getting it done.
	Okay, I 100% agree with that assessment.
	I think that's fair, and I think what's good about Junkin, first of all, he's good.
	Under pressure.
	He's good on the stump.
	He's good with people.
	That town hall he did where they had the trans kid.
	Youngkin's better than I thought he was going to be.
	Me too.
	I figured he was a victim up until that debate when Terry McAuliffe handed it to him.
	You know, Terry McAuliffe's like, I think we own your kids.
	And Glenn Youngkin's like, thank you.
	I'm now going to win.
	But he waited forever.
	You know what I mean?
	That was what was dumb.
	He was afraid to get into the culture war and that's why he won.
	Eric said he's doing it in a low-key way.
	Yes.
	And I think he falls in.
	One of the things I like about DeSantis is, OK, he may do stunts and stuff like that.
	He's trying to be a national politician.
	Sure.
	But he's actually under the radar doing all the other things, too.
	You know, and it's the competent executive, I think, is the brand for the best case scenario that's not Trump.
	Right.
	Is a competent executive who's not going to drive everyone else crazy.
	And Junkin too, who had never run for office before.
	Yes, it's also true, he appeals to the suburban women.
	But in that same sense, he did a way more incredible political achievement.
	Florida was already kind of turning red thanks to Trump.
	Junkin won a state that even Trump couldn't win.
	Yeah.
	Which is, that's huge.
	I know.
	He didn't just win his seat, he led a red wave.
	He did, and I...
	I could deal with that.
	And, you know, he did a great job.
	Winsome Sears as his Lieutenant Governor, that was great.
	Jason Biarra is a real star.
	That's a trifecta of good politicians and a little bit of identity politics, which you gotta do.
	We don't have to like it, but it's like ballot harvesting.
	Do it and do it well.
	And come on, it's not like I'm not pro-white guys.
	I'm very pro-me.
	Winsome Sears never says I'm a black woman.
	woman.
	You don't have to.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jim.
	It's Jim Hanson.
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	All right.
	Hey, I want to make sure everyone knows phone lines are open for the rest of the show.
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	All right, we're talking on the phone.
	We're going to jump now and have a chat with Wesley in Georgia.
	What's on your mind?
	Jim, I think I understood your comment the other day regarding President Trump and another person on the Republican ticket.
	I think you were saying that Trump's not going to change any minds.
	That he's a known quantity and you worry that he's not going to be able to amass enough people on our side to win against a Democrat.
	Did I hear you correctly the other day?
	That is a good summation of my concerns.
	Yes.
	OK.
	All right.
	I'm the guy that said, look, if you ask the Germans in World War Two if they would want Patton at the head of the column headed to Berlin, they'd say, no, no, we want somebody else.
	And that still is the case with President Trump.
	I believe that the Democrats are in disarray.
	By the time the J6 tapes get spilled, and they will get spilled, they will look so stupid.
	And President Trump will look so good.
	And I really want you to rethink your thought process here, because Trump is the good guy.
	He's the tip of the spear.
	He represents all of us out here, yourself included, your screener, everybody.
	And we need to get behind him solidly instead of sowing discord.
	Well, I will take that to heart because you make a good point, and I know that they definitely are scared of him.
	So that's a fair assessment there from Wesley.
	All right, let's jump and talk to Dale in California.
	Hi, Jim.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	I have a question that is based on a mountain of speculation.
	So the six-week war that Russia engaged with In Ukraine, is it going so well?
	So could this war possibly have been manipulated or whatnot to get Putin in there as a pretext for China to invade Russia?
	Because Russia is going to wear themselves out on the Ukrainians.
	That's an interesting thought.
	I don't think in any way China wants to be because that'd be a land war with Russia.
	And that's that's just there's just way too much possibility for that to turn into a complete meat grinder for both of them.
	But I think what China sees as two opportunities.
	Number one, Russia wears itself down and the West wears itself down as far as our interest and ability to deter aggression.
	We use up all of the goodwill and political capital, you know, as well as our wartime reserves and other things defending Ukraine.
	And then they have an easier path to take Taiwan.
	But they also have then a captive client in Russia.
	Because right now the Chinese are buying oil and other things.
	They're supporting Russia financially.
	They're using markets and financial markets to let Russia do transactions that we've been stopping them from other places.
	So I don't think they want to get in a shooting war.
	I think they want to use the opportunity, though, to take advantage and gain control and leverage by making Russia almost a client state of China.
	And from their perspective, why fight, you know, when you can grind them down and buy them?
	You know, they're getting cheap oil, they're getting all kinds of other stuff.
	So I think there's something to that.
	I just don't think it'll be another land war.
	This is Jim Hansen.
	We're doing America First Radio.
	After the break will be my Rumble-inspired, Twitter-polled rant about should we have a draft to protect our border?
	Back after the break.
	Mike's back on.
	Oh, yep.
	There we go.
	All right.
	This is gonna be fun.
	That's a hell of an idea.
	It's, I mean, cause, and there's a lot to talk about with it.
	You know what I mean?
	It's just, I'm going to hit the federalism, the governors, the rest of it.
	I, uh, we got to do something.
	I know some people who work the border issue and I have to tell them that I feel bad because I ignore the issue because I could be consumed by it.
	You know, it is so bad.
	That if you pay attention to it, it'll drive you nuts.
	It's still by far the biggest issue facing us, I think.
	It's horrifying.
	Immigration.
	You know, we're not doing anything right.
	And what they're doing is so blatant.
	They're literally bringing them in.
	They're flying them in on these secret flights.
	They're flying them specifically to the swing states, the Rust Belt, because they know, bring these people here, amnesty them, you don't need to steal an election ever again.
	Okay, now here's an interesting thing, though.
	I'm pro-amnesty.
	I'll be honest.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	And here's why.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	You, you mentioned it early.
	You said Reagan did it right.
	And he got nailed.
	Reagan did it and got nailed because he let them have amnesty before he got enforcement.
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	So we're not going to, and people will disagree with me on this.
	I don't think we're deporting all these people.
	Now we can say, Oh, we'll make it so hard.
	They'll leave on their own.
	And you saw for a while, you know, during the COVID time, you know, there were people leaving.
	All right.
	Are we going to do that?
	Are we willing to crash our economy just to get rid of some immigrants who already made it here?
	When we literally on the southern border had a sign saying, you know, help wanted in Spanish, ayudado, whatever it is, I can't remember.
	But anyhow, I think there was a situation where we more or less invited people here by refusing to enforce it.
	You can't interpret it any other way from their perspective.
	Why not now capture them?
	And why don't the Republicans do it?
	Why don't the Republicans say, and I'll bring this up, but say, we're going to have an amnesty as soon as we have enforcement and not a second before.
	So you put in, what's the real ID thing for the border?
	E-Verify.
	E-Verify.
	The social security number thing.
	And we will crap hammer any company that hires illegals.
	But we're going to have a guest worker program for agriculture and unskilled labor, and we amnesty the rest of these people because they're breaking, Hispanics are breaking our direction.
	And think about it, if the Republicans go ahead and are the ones who do this, you steal the issue from them.
	I don't know.
	I mean, I've talked about this a lot with others who say Hispanics are breaking for Republicans when they're the native-born Hispanics, the ones whose families have been here for generations.
	The first and second generations in California, they're... I mean, look at California.
	That's kind of the end result.
	I would say I'm all for amnesty if we pull the rug out from under them and do a reversal of what the Democrats did.
	They give us our wall, then we say, ah, screw you.
	No amnesty.
	We were never going to give you amnesty.
	I would totally support that.
	I think you can win them.
	The reason the second and third generation people are there is because they see.
	Now they're enjoying the fruits.
	If you offer that and give a path to that to even the first generation folks, then they see their kids and the path to a better life and they see the American dream.
	And you can go back to the American dream.
	We will let you pick oranges for the American dream.
	All right, and and that's the game.
	So we'll see.
	I hope so, but again, I look at California and see where it is now, and it's just like, they're still voting Democrat for some reason.
	California's not a real place.
	I'm 100% certain that that's a fantasy.
	It's an idea.
	It's a something.
	Except I come from there.
	So does my wife, and I still don't believe it.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hansen.
	Hey folks, I have been having a blast.
	I always love when Dr. G gives me a chance to sit on the booster seat and get in his chair and run my mouth.
	And one of the fun things I like to do is I consider this an honor and a blessing for me, and I like to include the audience.
	So we talk to the Rumble Chat in the first hour.
	They make suggestions for what would be some interesting topics for a rant for this third hour.
	Then we do a Twitter poll in the second hour, and whatever the people say, I deliver.
	Today we're going to talk about should we have a draft to secure our southern border.
	And I think the answer is yes.
	I don't know if that's a military draft or if it's anything, but here's where I'm going to start.
	I want to start with federalism and the fact that states have borders.
	Now there's constitutional issues, I understand all this, and they're not allowed to do national border things, and there's laws about who they can eject and all that kind of stuff.
	I get it.
	But the left has not been playing by the rules for a long time.
	They have opened our border.
	We essentially, in everything but official policy, have open borders.
	And it's horrifyingly wrong and dangerous for this country to act that way.
	So if the governors of states that have borders, and essentially all the other places, Where those people are being flown to and bused to and sent to want to band together and create a way to start securing the border, I'd like to challenge the feds to stop that.
	And I would like if they do stop it, we've got a great campaign issue.
	Wait a minute, the governor of Texas decided that letting the cartels run a tourist trade and drug trade across the border is something that the Democrats think is good enough to fight and have the might of the federal government in force?
	I'm sorry, they can side with the cartels.
	We side with the American people.
	Okay, so I think let's play that game.
	And is that a draft?
	Is it the National Guard?
	Is it the well-regulated militia?
	I don't know.
	You know, I got a lot of lawyer friends now.
	Maybe they can figure something out, but I don't care what it is.
	Let's do something!
	Whatever it is, let's take the game to them.
	They're killing us with it, so let's do something.
	Now I'm going to get controversial.
	Alright?
	I think amnesty is a great idea for all the illegals who are here already.
	Let me tell you why.
	Ronald Reagan did it and he got hammered because he didn't get enforcement first.
	Now, you can say we'll make things bad and we'll make all the illegals go home and they have no right to be here and all those things.
	And you're right!
	I'm not disputing that.
	I'm talking pragmatically now.
	How do we change this to our advantage?
	So if you think that there's a way to make conditions tough enough to push 12 to 15 to maybe even 20 million at this point people back across the border, I think you need to consider how that's going to affect everyone else as well.
	Because during COVID, during the worst of the COVID lockdowns and things, a lot of illegals left because the restaurant jobs weren't there.
	There were a lot of jobs that disappeared.
	And they went home.
	And then they came back.
	And as long as we have an economy that's booming, we need unskilled labor.
	We have always needed more unskilled labor than we have here domestically.
	So what do we do about that?
	Well, if we take enforcement first, if we say we're closing the border, And we're going to put E-Verify in so any employer who does not verify their workers and hires an illegal gets hammered.
	We will make it so that underground economy no longer exists.
	Then we have to have some sort of guest worker program, some sort of hard and difficult path for the illegals who came to go ahead and earn some flavor of green card or some guest worker permit or something, and we give them then a reason to become part of the system.
	And once that happens, the other thing we do is we steal an issue from the Democrats.
	All right?
	They use that against us constantly, and it works.
	There are people both who are not illegal immigrants who vote against Republicans on that issue, and there is an entire population of people who, if they thought that Republicans were the ones who were going to offer them prosperity and security and a future for their families, Would they or would they not potentially join our party?
	I think they would.
	We've seen that the Latino-Hispanic vote has been moving our direction.
	Mostly, obviously, among people who have been here long enough to become citizens and vote.
	Although I'm sure there's been some cheating and illegals have voted.
	But that's moving our direction.
	I understand that nobody trusts, especially the Republicans, to pull this off.
	So we'd have to have some pretty bulletproof methods to call for the enforcement of both the border and of the job market to make that 100% uncheatable-ish.
	Before we give an ounce of amnesty, and the amnesty can be hard, all right?
	I don't want to give anybody a free lunch when they cheated to get here.
	Of course they cheated to get here, all right?
	And if I lived there, I would have cheated to get here too.
	Fortunately, my grandparents came legally.
	And they earned all of their stuff above board.
	But if I hadn't had that happen and I saw America, I can't for a second say I wouldn't fight and crawl across the desert and do whatever I had to to get here myself.
	So, hate me if you want, but think about it pragmatically.
	It takes an issue off the table for the Dems, wins us votes, shuts the border, gains us taxpayers, and at some level, Solves a problem nobody else really has a solution to.
	So I'm going with that as my take on how do we actually police the border, police the job market, increase our voter base, and Like I said, win ourselves some votes.
	So I am sure now that my heresy and my apostate nature, but go ahead.
	If you think that it won't work, explain to me why my plan wouldn't work, not why Reagan's plan didn't work.
	Not why some soft McCarthy, well, you know, Mitch McConnell plan wouldn't work.
	Because I agree, they'd screw it up.
	I would not do this with them implementing it.
	All right, this would require actual America First politicians.
	Trump's second term.
	I would trust President Trump to implement a policy like that.
	All right, so I'm not talking about giving this to the rhinos and letting them cheat us on it.
	I'm talking about this implemented by pipe hitters from our team.
	Okay, we got a little bit of America First left.
	The phone lines will be open.
	We'll close out the show talking to the people.
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	Gone.
	Yeah, definitely some discussion in the rumble chat here.
	There's one major flaw with it.
	What is it?
	You've got to fix it first.
	You've got to fix the welfare system.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's what has to happen with this.
	Benny's can't.
	And that's a great point.
	Benny's can't just be automatic.
	But with that, that's not that bad of an idea.
	Well, and here's the thing.
	That would be a reason and a way to fix it.
	Because right now, the welfare system and the rest of it, anybody gets it.
	Hold on.
	I blame part of this, Open Borders, because of the welfare system.
	Of course.
	Because illegals are eligible.
	Yes.
	Yeah, and you have to make that so no, you don't just you can't just show up and then again, you've got to be paying, you know, you've got to be some sort of productive citizen.
	The welfare state didn't exist in like the 1800s when they were coming through Ellis Island.
	Like they were not exactly yes.
	When my grandmother came over on a boat from Sweden, she came because my grandfather, or my great-grandfather, had actually come over and worked for eight years, I think.
	Less, maybe six years, to earn enough money to bring his family over.
	Mira33 in the chat says, European and Scandinavian countries, different cultures and ideologies, compared to immigrants today who are not as willing to assimilate.
	Look, assimilation is our weak spot.
	And especially if everybody's being taught in the schools that America's a horrible place, a white supremacist, this, that, and the other thing.
	So yeah, it falls in line with everything else.
	That is a 100% accurate take.
	It's not an unfixable take.
	It would be funny if Trump was president and called for amnesty to see the reaction.
	Oh my gosh, do you imagine?
	I built the wall, and now we are going to deal with the people who stayed, and we're gonna put them to work!
	We're gonna make them build the wall!
	A beautiful amnesty, folks.
	It will be the greatest amnesty anyone's ever had.
	The illegal aliens will build the wall to keep the others out.
	Make them build the wall and then deport them anyway.
	You feel bad, dude.
	You weren't even alive when that happened, were you?
	Well, here's the thing.
	Is it possible?
	Eric's the oldest 20-something-year-old.
	I know, he is.
	Pink Floyd's his favorite band.
	He's watched every movie from the 80s.
	It's an honorary Gen Xer.
	I'll take that.
	I'm actually glad they will take that.
	Pink Floyd's your favorite band, right?
	Yeah, and The Wall's my favorite album of all time.
	That's nice.
	It's not my favorite Floyd.
	I'm a huge Floyd guy.
	Oh yeah.
	I think we talked about this before and you say it was... Not Wish You Were Here.
	My favorite Floyd is... and it's tough.
	Because I think Animals is their best album.
	That.
	That.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hansen.
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	Here, infant malnutrition is an epidemic.
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	Hey Jeff, are either one of our callers talking border?
	Okay, well then let's go to Mike in Detroit.
	What's up Mike?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, I am.
	Because I lived in Arizona for years, for 10 years.
	And I can tell you personally that the burn barrels, the acid vats, the mass graves, people literally hanging from dismembered bodies, hanging from overpasses, blue cardboard signs, they're real.
	I've been a witness to that.
	And the policies of this corrupt, incredibly corrupt democratic organization has doubled the revenues and has really enabled an incredible amount of power for this narco war, for the cartels in this narco war against for the cartels in this narco war against the Mexican people, the Mexican government.
	you know, for the cartels in this narco war against the Mexican people, the Mexican government.
	This extends all the way to destabilizing the Central American Triangle and so on.
	This extends all the way to destabilizing the Central American Triangle and so on.
	Now, President Trump had a really good idea that he was going to follow through on.
	He was going to designate these Mexican transnational criminal organizations as foreign terrorist organizations.
	And he was sidelined from that.
	And, you know, the Democratic Party has really committed an atrocity here.
	If you've ever lived on the board.
	We're getting close to the end, but I think you brought up something that I think is worth considering at this point.
	Given the way the cartels operate, anything we do that is not designed to screw them over for their criminal and even terroristic acts, I think is a mistake.
	So I would support designating them as foreign terror organizations, and maybe a few targeted drone strikes on compounds might get their attention and stop them from doing some of the horrible things they're doing.
	Folks, it has been a pleasure to sit in on this Friday and do some America First Radio.
	You should have your Dr. G back on Monday, and he can take you to the promised land.
	But again, enjoy your weekend, stay strong, and I'll be back the next time Seb is not.

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