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Feb. 28, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: EXCLUSIVE: President Trump live on AMERICA First

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	Something which you don't do to an object which you love, to a thing that you adore.
	You only do that to something you detest.
	Something that you wish to mold into something closer resembling your ideological proclivities.
	What was achieved after those four years in office?
	Well, here's a reminder from that amazing State of the Union, the one in which Rush Limbaugh was awarded the highest civilian Three years ago we launched the great American comeback.
	Tonight I stand before you to share the incredible results.
	Jobs are booming.
	Incomes are soaring.
	Poverty is plummeting.
	Crime is falling.
	Confidence is surging.
	And our country is thriving and highly respected again.
	Simply statements of fact.
	What do we have now after the 2020 election?
	Who is the incumbent in the White House?
	He is a man who's been in politics for nigh on 50 years, who according to his own colleagues and his own superior, President Obama, Secretary Robert Gates, has been on the wrong side, quote, of every issue for 40 years, and as Obama stated, never underestimate, I'll edit here, Joe's capacity to screw things up.
	Do I need to prove it to you?
	This is the latest viral clip from the man who replaced President Trump.
	Cut to.
	By the way, I may be a white boy, but I'm not stupid.
	I know where the power is.
	You think I'm joking.
	I may be a white boy, but I'm not stupid.
	What does that even mean?
	Is that a racist statement?
	Is that just done for laughs?
	Well, if you're not stupid, Joe Biden, explain this to me.
	In two years, you've taken America from being a safe nation that was more prosperous than it had ever been on any metric Whether it was employment figures, whether it was savings, whether it was GDP growth, to become a nation that has almost double-digit inflation.
	And that is fundamentally unsafe.
	When we walked into the White House, we pledged to make America great again.
	And that meant sealing the border.
	That meant crushing the most dangerous enemy we had at that time, which was, of course, the global jihadi movement of ISIS.
	Within five months of making that pledge, we had destroyed the physical caliphate of that deadly organization that was killing innocent people every single day, including American nationals being beheaded live on camera.
	By the end of our four years, despite COVID, we had the lowest unemployment for minorities since record-keeping began.
	We had the highest employment for females, likewise, in decades.
	We had also become energy independent.
	For the first time ever, we were selling more energy than we could use.
	We weren't beholden to Russian pipelines or cartels like OPEC.
	And we had managed to crush the activities of the cartels down to a trickle, especially even under COVID, By using the Title 42 powers we had under the pandemic to send fake asylum seekers, economic immigrants, back to where they came from.
	Since that time, I live just outside Washington, D.C.
	Let me just share with you one anecdote.
	In the last three days, over this weekend, eight people were murdered in Washington, D.C.
	Two double homicides on the same day.
	That's in the nation's capital.
	How did that occur?
	How is it that in the largest cities in America, the most powerful nation in the world, You have to think twice about where you go, when you go, and if you go out after dark.
	In Chicago, which is having an election today for its mayor, God willing the people of Chicago will not re-elect her, an average weekend sees 12 people killed in between 50 and 70 shot.
	That's not a gun problem.
	That's a Democrat city problem.
	When you have Soros-funded prosecutors saying, no, the perpetrator is the victim, not the actual victim of the crime.
	When people are released without bail, people with records going back years and years and years.
	That's not a problem conservatives created or anyone who ever wore a red MAGA hat.
	That is ideology out of control.
	An ideology of anti-americanism that has captured the democrat party which is no longer the party of your parents and most definitely not your grandparents.
	The division today is very simple.
	It is a choice Irrespective of party if you wish.
	Between those who love America with all its weaknesses and those who hate America.
	And I tell you this in the spirit of Rush Limbaugh before we go to President Trump.
	We will win.
	We have already won.
	If you're a Christian you know we have already won.
	But we will also win here on earth.
	Why?
	Because as we like to say here on America First.
	Our fuel is love.
	Love of God, love of family, love of nation.
	And the raid against us is a collective, a dangerous, dangerous collective, whose fuel is hate.
	And that, sooner or later, will devour them.
	And we will win, here on earth, as we already have in heaven.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First on the Salem News Channel across the nation.
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	Back in a moment. Back in a moment.
	Back in a moment.
	Three minutes.
	Uh, when we do the food for the poor, don't use that really zoomed-in graphic.
	It's just, the resolution's so bad.
	Just do the website.
	Just the website.
	Alright.
	Try and make a better version.
	That's, yeah, that's the issue with the banner just by itself.
	Zooming in, it is gonna look a little... I'll just ditch that and I'll just keep the website image.
	Um... Oh, do you have a title for Winters?
	You said you wrote down?
	Yeah.
	Why America was funding the Wuhan lab?
	Alright, add the monologue.
	I don't know, you tell me.
	Something towards the end there, like we will win?
	Yeah, that's... Maybe tie... We've done that before, but... Maybe tie it to Rush, or... Did you mention him?
	Yeah.
	Um, can you move the camera?
	No, that's fine.
	Am I in the middle there?
	Yes, I am.
	All right.
	Or maybe the whole aspect of what Biden inherited.
	Let's do President Trump versus President Biden.
	alrighty okie dokes I know who's calling now.
	All right.
	That's what they told you? - No.
	They told me 320.
	They told me 320.
	Okie dokes.
	There we go.
	Mike's off, Alex.
	Mike's off, Alex.
	Mike's off, Alex.
	Mike's off, Alex.
	Oh, there he is.
	There's my guy.
	Good job.
	How's your new show going?
	Good?
	Very well, thank you.
	I heard good.
	So nice of the president to ask, and we will be connecting with him momentarily.
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	I can see the call board from where I sit here in the studio.
	And I saw the phone board light up, and we've programmed the numbers.
	And I guess Mr. G, our producer, has been doing his homework because I saw a certain number flash up, and it said, The Boss.
	I guess we've programmed the system well and we are so excited.
	I can't believe it's the fifth time he's been back on America First.
	President Trump, welcome back to the Salem News Channel.
	Well, thank you very much, Sebastian, and your show's doing great, and it's an honor to do it with you.
	Really great honor.
	Thank you kindly, sir.
	I couldn't believe it that our team said it's now the fifth time you've been on the show.
	We have the four previous ones that made the news, one in which you called Millie, a woke traitor.
	You talked about the stealing of the election.
	Let's see if we can make some news today.
	First things first, Mr. President, could you comment on why it took a former president to go to Ohio?
	We have the amazing footage from you in that McDonald's.
	Why did you get there to help the suffering people of East Palestine before, forget Pete Boot, before even President Biden went, Mr. President?
	Well, it seemed a very natural thing to do.
	I was watching the news and I saw this incredible explosion and it really is having very devastating effect on water and air and everything else, as you know, as you've been covering it very nicely.
	But I saw it happening and I was told that the that FEMA and that the Biden administration will have nothing to do with it.
	They actually said we'll have nothing to do with it.
	It doesn't come within the parameters of FEMA.
	And I will tell you, FEMA is great.
	You know, we had a fantastic Relationship for tornadoes and hurricanes and everything else he worked on and they were told not to do it.
	And as soon as I announced, I didn't do it for this reason, but it worked out to be pretty good because as soon as I announced that I was going, then the Biden people announced that they were going to go and that FEMA was going to be there and FEMA was going to help them out, etc, etc.
	And that happened.
	But I went there and they're incredible people.
	The mayor was great.
	The whole place was was really great.
	And they're working very hard to Get rid of that problem.
	It's a big problem.
	Well, it could be the vote.
	I mean, it was a big vote for me, and Ohio was a big vote for me.
	weeks is because East Palestine, that part of Ohio, voted for you very, very strongly.
	Could it simply be that they just don't care, Mr. President?
	Well, it could be the vote.
	I mean, it was a big vote for me, and Ohio was a big vote for me.
	We won it by a lot.
	It's a great state, great people.
	And interestingly, very similar that if you look at Michigan and a lot of other states, very similar.
	And the voting was just slightly off, just slightly off there.
	If you look at Detroit, what happened in Detroit, such a disgrace.
	So many things were disgraceful, as you know better than anybody in that election.
	But the Ohio has been so wonderful.
	You can't look at it that way.
	You're the president of the country.
	You're not the president of areas that voted for you.
	I thought it was not good that they didn't do it.
	And I decided to do it.
	And I'm glad I did.
	And we were met with tremendous receptivity.
	Unbelievable, actually.
	The other huge news item for the last few days, Mr. President, is, of course, the confirmation from another U.S.
	agency, this time the Department of Energy, that it is likely the COVID leak came from the Wuhan lab.
	You've been telling this us for a long, long time.
	Do you think there will be any ramifications, any consequences?
	Do you think Fauci will finally have to answer for why he was sending millions of dollars to the communist Chinese virology lab in Wuhan?
	Yeah, the whole thing started a long time ago with Fauci and that group and for some reason they seem to have a certain power over him.
	As you know, he didn't play a very big role with me because we had a different group of people that we listened to.
	I think I listened to myself.
	Fauci wanted to allow China to come into our country, wanted to allow people from China to come in, and I didn't want to do that because that seemed to be, they seemed to be having a very big problem at the very beginning, but it turned out they had a very big problem at the end, more so.
	But we didn't want to do we save thousands, tens of thousands of lives by not doing that.
	He was a no masker.
	And then he went to a radical masker.
	So he made a lot of different decisions and change his mind a lot.
	He didn't play a big role with me like he did with Biden.
	Biden had him really doing a lot of things, including the mandates, which was ridiculous.
	So, yeah, I mean, China should pay it.
	China China can't afford to pay.
	If you really look at it, should I estimate it?
	A year ago that it would be $50 trillion, $50 trillion.
	China doesn't have $50 trillion in what he's done to the world.
	$16 trillion to us, but $50 trillion, the world, this was not the U.S., this was the world was affected so badly.
	And nobody has $50 trillion, but that's the kind of damage that was done.
	Just a terrible, terrible thing, and it came from the lab.
	I never had a doubt.
	You remember I was telling you a long time ago that's where it came from.
	People were surprised I'd say that, and now they're all saying that was, not all, but most of them are saying that's where it came from, the Wuhan lab.
	And when it comes to China sending surveillance satellite balloons across America, across the whole swath of the nation, would you have waited if you were in the White House to shoot that balloon down after it had completed its mission?
	Well, it wouldn't have happened if I was in the White House, number one.
	They wouldn't have done it.
	They knew better.
	And the other thing is that Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if I were in the White House.
	And what's going on there is a horror show.
	It's a horror show.
	Those cities are being leveled.
	I mean, they're being leveled.
	I've looked at photos and aerials of cities where there's not a building standing.
	And then they'll say two people were injured.
	No, many, many people are being killed.
	Many more people are being killed than they're reporting.
	Many, many more.
	And, you know, just bomb a city out and say... And there are a lot of people in those buildings.
	You know, a lot of people are staying behind.
	They're brave people.
	They love their country.
	They're staying behind.
	And they're sitting in their apartment holding a gun, as an example.
	And these buildings are coming down one after another, and it's horrible.
	And a deal has to be made.
	It would have never happened.
	But that has to stop, and it has to stop right now.
	And a deal can be negotiated by the right president.
	You have a president that knows what he's doing.
	You can negotiate a deal even right now.
	Would have been a lot easier early.
	I always said, you know, Putin put those soldiers on the border.
	And I said, oh, he's looking to negotiate.
	I was actually a little surprised he did it because nothing happened during my, you know, during my term, he didn't take over anything.
	It was the only one.
	We're going to talk from everybody, but not from my term.
	For our viewers on Rumble, we're going to continue the conversations we did last time in the breaks, if you're listening on radio.
	Just stay with us.
	We'll be returning with the President momentarily.
	Don't forget that if you want to get the full interview, make sure you are following us on all social media.
	We are on Truth Social.
	We're on Twitter, on Facebook, Parler, Getter, Telegram.
	You can watch us at www.salemnewschannel.com and my substack www.sebastiangorka.substack.com Mr. President, it's so funny with regards to that point you just made.
	I'm asked frequently, so what would President Trump do if he were still in the White House?
	And I just laugh and I say, nothing, because Putin wouldn't have invaded.
	Would have never happened.
	He knew that.
	And I'll tell you another thing that wouldn't have happened.
	President Xi of China would not be invading.
	And I think you're going to see that.
	In the not-too-distant future, Taiwan.
	I don't think he would be invading Taiwan, either.
	And also, it had to do with the fact that the Afghanistan removal, the way they left Afghanistan, was such a disaster.
	I think the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country.
	It showed gross incompetence.
	And I think that probably helped the decision to go into Ukraine.
	But it never happened under me.
	Not even a chance.
	And the fact that Mark Milley is still the chairman of the Joint Chiefs after Afghanistan, after predicting Kiev would follow in three days after he admitted in an interview that when you were the president he was telling his counterpart in the People's Liberation Army in China that he would warn them if President Trump took any action against China.
	The fact that that man is still in his uniform, sir?
	Well, that's something that should be looked at.
	I've heard that story, and we've all heard that story, and that's something, because that's a very dangerous story if he did that.
	And he did say it.
	Yes.
	And they ought to be looking at that, because that's really bad.
	That's really bad and really dangerous.
	No, I wasn't a big fan.
	He wanted to leave all the equipment behind.
	I said, "Why would you leave the equipment behind?" "Sir, it's cheaper to leave it behind in Afghanistan." So obviously—and I would have never left it behind.
	I said, "You mean it's cheaper to leave a $100 million airplane behind than it is to fill up the tank and just fly it out, even if you just went to Pakistan or someplace else to hold it before you bring it over?" But you fly it back to the United States.
	You think that's cheaper?
	Yes, sir, it's cheaper.
	That's when I lost him.
	I lost him.
	Wasn't a big fan of the fact that he didn't like me standing in front of a church holding a Bible either, by the way.
	I wasn't a big fan of him.
	And if you're back in office for 2024, your expectations for how the war in Ukraine would develop, would Putin start behaving himself if you were back in the position of Commander-in-Chief?
	I would have that war ended within 24 hours.
	That war would end within 24 hours.
	That war would never have started, and it could be now as bad as it is.
	And you can imagine how it'll be if it continues to go.
	It's just a horrible thing in terms of humanity, in terms of life.
	It's a horrible thing, and it must stop.
	And, you know, Ukraine is being just decimated.
	These people are talking about Ukraine.
	Ukraine is being decimated.
	These are cities that don't even exist anymore.
	They're being hit by missile after missile after missile.
	And they have to stop.
	And we can stop it immediately.
	We're talking to the 45th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, my former superior, my boss in the White House.
	You're listening to America First on the Salem News Channel.
	Mr. President, before we go back on to radio, is there a website we should mention at this point?
	Well, I think the great thing is what's happening with Truth Social.
	It's the hottest thing out there.
	People are watching it and studying it, and they're studying every word that I'm saying.
	You know, I understand.
	It's strong because we're leading in all the polls by a lot.
	We're doing well.
	The people want it back.
	You know, we built... We had a great country.
	We had the greatest economy in the world.
	We rebuilt our military.
	We did the biggest tax cuts.
	Bigger than even Reagan's tax cuts.
	You know, a lot of great things happened.
	We'll talk about those polls.
	Gentlemen, come in with the cut from Jeb Bush.
	Stand by, sir.
	Is this Ron DeSantis' opportunity to run for higher office?
	I think it is.
	He's been a really effective governor.
	He's young.
	I think we're on the verge of a generational change in our politics.
	I kind of hope so.
	I think it's time for a more forward-leaning, future-oriented conversation in our politics as well.
	Very strange interview with Jeb Bush on Fox with strange music underneath.
	He endorsed Ron DeSantis of Florida the weekend.
	This morning, Mr. President, Jeb Bush wrote an email to Politico saying, oh, no, no, that wasn't an endorsement.
	I was just praising Governor DeSantis.
	I guess it backfired.
	I guess you shouldn't be endorsed by a member of a political dynasty that is known for being Less than conservative.
	Your reaction to Jeb Bush thinking he matters today?
	Well, I think that probably a lot of MAGA people were not happy with anybody that's supporting anybody but the person that they happen to like.
	And I think probably that happened.
	Maybe it was that or who knows.
	Look, all I know is this.
	He was a low energy guy and he didn't do too well.
	And he's a nice man.
	He is a nice man.
	And I like his son very much.
	He was nice.
	Lost the race to, as you know, in Texas for Attorney General.
	But he's a very fine young man.
	And, you know, I like the family, but I wasn't happy with the family from the standpoint of what they did and what they left.
	It just didn't work out.
	We got stuck in that horrible Middle East because of the worst decision probably in the history of our country was to go into the Middle East.
	We decimated the place.
	Millions and millions of lives were lost.
	For nothing.
	I mean, for nothing.
	Absolutely nothing.
	We decimated it, and then we left.
	And then we left.
	Nothing happened.
	Should have never gone into the Middle East.
	That was, I think, one of the worst, maybe the worst decision ever made in the history of our country.
	Trillions of dollars.
	Seven or eight trillion dollars.
	And millions of lives, when you count both sides.
	Because I count both sides.
	And millions of lives.
	For nothing.
	For absolutely nothing.
	So, I'm not a big fan of some of the decisions made by the family, but It's very interesting.
	I heard that he took back what sounded like an endorsement, then he took it back very quickly, and that's sort of strange.
	He probably saw the polls that came out today.
	I don't know.
	Maybe the polls, because the polls are so good.
	He probably, maybe he saw those polls.
	I don't know.
	Well, we'll talk about the next election and your comments on ballot harvesting, but you made quite a bit of news on Truth Social and on your recent rallies with your new nickname.
	for the governor of Florida, Ron DeSanctimonious.
	Mr. G, somebody else has come up with another nickname.
	What is the nickname you have for us, Jeff?
	It's got to be Ron DeStablishment.
	Mr. President, Ron DeStablishment.
	What do you think of that?
	That's not bad.
	I've heard worse, you know.
	They came out with lots of different names.
	Meatball, I didn't like that one too much, but they came out with a lot of different names and that's not bad.
	I've heard of worse.
	Are you excited about the primary season?
	I, for one, want to see, you know, like you did before, 16, 17 people up on the stage and the strongest guy wins.
	Are you ready, sir?
	Well, I am ready and I guess we're doing very well because I've already started.
	I would think that Ron is maybe running and, you know, I think it's interesting because he came to me for help.
	He was dead.
	He was gone.
	As you know, for governor, he had no chance when he first ran.
	And he was way behind.
	He was at almost nothing.
	And when I endorsed him, he took a massive lead.
	And a few days later, literally a few days later, won the nomination.
	And then I helped him get by a man who turned out to be a crackhead.
	He was supposed to be the hottest.
	Male in the party.
	The female was, of course, Stacey Abrams.
	Those two were the two hot people in the Democrat party.
	But at the time he was hot.
	And I did a couple of rallies for Ron.
	We had a fantastic turnout.
	Thousands and thousands of people.
	I said, you're going to win.
	He didn't even believe it.
	And then after he ends up winning, they asked him a couple of years later, maybe less.
	When you run against the president, he said, I have no comment on that.
	I said, whoa, that's not supposed to happen.
	But that's the way it is in politics, I guess.
	So, you know, look, Florida has been a very successful state long before he got there.
	And that includes some Democrats that didn't do such a bad job, to be honest with you.
	Right.
	But that in Florida has been successful long before he got there.
	Very successful.
	We have the sun.
	We have the ocean.
	We have a lot of good things going in Florida.
	And it's very interesting.
	It's going to be interesting to see.
	But the polls came out today and we have a very large lead, like more than 30 points.
	That's a big lead.
	We'll discuss your expectations with regards to the current incumbent and the statement made at the weekend from the First Lady.
	We're talking to President Donald J. Trump, the 45th incumbent in the White House.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka coming to you from just outside the insalubrious, fetid, rank, malodorous swamp that is Washington, D.C.
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	Mr. President, allegedly the man who is currently serving as the oldest president of the United States wants to run again, which means he would be 82 years old by the time of the next inauguration.
	Your reaction to the news that this man wants to run again?
	Well, I don't think 82 is old.
	I don't think 80 is old.
	I see people, I deal with people that are in their 80s.
	I have People that are in their 90s that you deal with, you know, it depends on genetics.
	It depends on a lot of different things.
	But people that are in their 80s, I know people that made most of the money that they've made became rich in their 80s.
	So that's okay.
	But maybe there's something going on with with him.
	That we don't know about.
	There's certainly strange, strange things happening.
	I do not think he's too old.
	I just don't think so.
	But do you think, given the fact that he refused to take a cognitive test, sir?
	It may not be age, but cognitive capacity.
	Well, I would like to see anybody that runs for president take a test.
	I took it.
	I took a very strong, I think, the real deal test.
	I got it 100 percent.
	Dr. Ronny Jackson, at the time, he was the White House physician, and I didn't even know him well.
	He's a fantastic guy, by the way, now a congressman.
	He was an admiral, and they gave me the test at Walter Reed, the medical center, which is fantastic, by the way, and as he will tell you, I aced it.
	It's, you know, those questions start getting hard toward the end.
	They will ask some questions, from 30 to 35 questions, and when you get down to the end, those questions, there aren't a lot of people going to get them right.
	You don't have to get them all right, but I did ace it, and I was happy about that.
	Before I took it, I said, how hard is it?
	Because I don't want to have it and then have a, I get a bad score.
	You know, it's a public facility, so I get a bad score.
	I want to know about that.
	How hard is it?
	They said, it's pretty hard.
	I said, let's do it anyway.
	And you know what it does?
	It shuts people up, because I took that test, and I never heard anything negative at all for a long period of time.
	A very well established test, too, by the way.
	It's a very, probably a very good test, but very well established.
	No, I think people should take it.
	I, you know, I guess from a legal standpoint, you might not be able to mandate it, but I would say that it should be a mandatory test for somebody running for president.
	I think it's a good idea.
	And do you think he will be their nominee?
	It looks like it.
	Look, again, I don't think age is the problem, but some people age incredibly well and they can go into their 90s and late into their 90s and other people don't.
	But I don't think age is the problem.
	I think there could be other problems, but I wouldn't know about that.
	Mr. President, one of the Most popular things that we have on our website is this t-shirt that we launched jointly with Chris Plant.
	It says the FBI on it in the big yellow letters on the blue background, but underneath, and it was invented by a listener, it says Fascist Bureau of Intimidation.
	Given what they did to you at Mar-a-Lago, what they've done to Members of your administration to pro-life activists, that has now become the most popular item on our website at sebgorkestore.com.
	Are you convinced that the deep state that is still harassing you and anybody associated with you can be cleaned out if you come back into the White House?
	Where would you begin?
	Well, the FBI and the Justice Department and a lot of people associated with them, including local district attorneys and attorney generals, they've really become weaponized.
	They're using it to win elections.
	They're using it for very, very bad purposes.
	And it's so bad.
	It's never been used like this ever.
	When they raided Mar-a-Lago, nobody's ever seen a thing like that.
	And I was going by the Presidential Records Act.
	Biden didn't.
	And we were discussing things with NARA.
	Everything was going fine.
	We had things locked up.
	They said, could you put an extra lock?
	They actually took them down and showed them.
	And I thought they were impressed and put an extra lock.
	They were discussing it with NARA.
	You know, NARA is a very radical left group that actually on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, they have it red flagged.
	It's a dangerous document.
	Something to that effect.
	And so, you know, so you know where they're coming from.
	But no, when they raided Mar-a-Lago, people couldn't believe it.
	Actually, they couldn't believe it.
	Now, they're not raiding Biden's house.
	And he was allowed to go in there for two weeks and get everything all straightened out before they nicely and gently came in.
	They don't have a they have a very nice prosecutor.
	Actually, I appointed him.
	He's a very fine man.
	But that's the prosecutor.
	That's not the one they gave us.
	They have us a radical left.
	Monster.
	And it's a disgrace.
	It's actually a disgrace.
	But, you know, in the end, the people get it.
	And the people aren't going to allow bad things to happen to this country.
	They're not going to let it.
	They're not going to let this country be a Marxist country.
	I used to say socialist country.
	But, you know, the train is past that station.
	OK, the train is long past that station.
	They're really into a much deeper, bad form of of the political world of that, whether it's communism or Marxism or anything you want to call it.
	But we have to be careful because this is a very delicate thing and our country's in big trouble.
	You look at the open borders and you look at the high taxes, they want to quadruple your taxes.
	They want to do things that are just unbelievable to this country.
	And we can't let that happen.
	Mr. President, we now have a GOP-controlled House.
	Kevin McCarthy seems to be doing much better than some of us expected.
	We have, of course, this special committee to investigate the FBI and the DOJ.
	Are you confident, despite what we have in the Senate and the likes of Mitch McConnell, that the GOP is now America first, it is now a true MAGA party?
	Yeah, I think the people, the voters, the, you know, millions and millions of people.
	Look, I did much better in the second election than I did in the first.
	I was told if I got 63 million votes, which is what I got in the first, I couldn't lose.
	We got close to 12 million more votes than that.
	Nobody's ever done that before in history.
	Nobody's ever gotten as many votes as I got in the 2020 election.
	Nobody has ever, no sitting president has ever gotten that number of votes.
	And then we supposedly lose, in quotes, you know, lose.
	The pollsters would have told you that was impossible.
	They literally said if you could get 63.
	You know, Obama got substantially less than he got the first time, and he easily won.
	Very easily won.
	It's all very suspicious.
	It's disgraceful what happened.
	It's all very suspicious.
	No, it's a disgrace.
	It's a disgrace.
	What happened is a disgrace.
	Everybody knows what happened.
	Now, we have the next election to prepare for.
	There are two schools of thought.
	We just have an election day.
	People go in and they vote.
	Or we play the Democrats at their game.
	And where it is legal, we ballot harvest.
	What do we have to do to make sure that the game isn't Exploited by the Democrats in ways that are potentially fraudulent.
	What is your answer to the 2024 election?
	So it's been a theory that you vote on election day because that vote is more likely to be counted because the elections are corrupt So that's been the theory but then you see what happened in Arizona where the machines didn't work and lots of other things Arizona was terrible with Carrie Lake, who's a fine woman, by the way, and they're standing in lines and the machines weren't working and the judges don't have the courage to overrule it or to make a ruling, the proper ruling.
	But they were standing in lines that were so long, so big, so powerful, Republican areas, and a large percentage of the machines weren't working.
	So then you start to say, wow, these guys are playing really dirty stuff.
	And they did it beyond that in the 2020 election.
	So the current thinking is we have to get in.
	First of all, it should be one day voting, all paper ballots and voter ID.
	The Democrats don't want to have voter ID, if you can believe it.
	And there's only one reason they don't, because they want to cheat.
	And that's not really the Democrat voters, because I think it's 84 percent want it.
	It's the politicians, because they want to cheat.
	And you know what I've said?
	I've told you this.
	I really believe that If they don't cheat, they can't win an election.
	Who wants to have open borders?
	Who wants to have no voter ID?
	Who wants to have high taxes, like quadrupling your taxes?
	All of the things that they say, who wants to have a military that handled Afghanistan the way they handled Afghanistan?
	So I think that their policies are just so horrible.
	That's the way of life, and what they've done with elections is just, we're like a third world nation.
	So, I think that probably, number one, we have to get in there.
	I do say this, all Republican governors, and you should make them do this, because you have a great show with some real power, all Republican governors should absolutely take their states, and if they have the power to do it, which most of them do, where they have enough votes in the legislatures, Should take their states, make it same day voting, all paper ballots, voter ID.
	They should do that.
	I have one suggestion, if I may, and I've told her as well.
	She has been a guest host for me here on my show, and that's Carrie Lake.
	Whatever happens to her case in Arizona, I think there should be a national organization that makes sure that we have free and fair elections and no voter fraud.
	And I think, Mr. President, Carrie Lake, with your blessing, should be the head of that organization.
	What do you think?
	Well, she's very capable, and she ran a good campaign.
	She ran against a woman that hardly campaigned, who was sort of like the one that I ran against, who was in the basement most of the time.
	But don't kid yourself.
	They're surrounded by, and they didn't expect it to be Biden.
	They were going to be there with Bernie or whoever it may have been, but they thought it was going to be Bernie, actually.
	It would have been Bernie, except for Elizabeth Warren.
	I mean, if she had canceled out a little bit earlier, it would have been Bernie, but that's who they expected.
	They are smart, and they're cunning, especially when it comes to elections, and they weaponize the system.
	They've totally weaponized the system, illegally, but you take a look at what they do between the FBI and everything else, it's horrible.
	When you think that Antifa kills people, and BLM is out there, when you look at what's taken in Portland, and you look at what went on in Seattle, and you take a look at Minneapolis, And all of the horrible things, I solved a couple of those problems.
	Beyond what really should have happened, because the governor has to ask for help.
	And those governors weren't asking for help.
	These are Democrat governors.
	They weren't asking for help.
	If I didn't get them that help, you wouldn't have even... A couple of those places that I talked about, they wouldn't even exist.
	But when you look at how bad Portland is, and what's going on, and then nothing happens to the people, relatively, and you see what they've done to American patriots in many cases, On the Capitol, it's disgraceful.
	And it's coming out more and more.
	It's coming out more and more.
	It's a very terrible thing.
	We have one more question for you, Mr. President.
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	relieffactor.com relieffactor.com Mr. President, something I always run out of saying, and we've only got you for a few more minutes, is that every day I get direct messages, I get texts from listeners, from callers, and whenever I go and speak somewhere, sooner or later somebody comes up to me and says the same thing.
	Please tell the President that we love him, and we're praying for him, and especially for the First Lady.
	So I haven't done that before.
	I want to make sure that that message is forwarded to you today, sir.
	Well, thank you very much.
	It's nice.
	And we do have, we have such incredible spirit and love out there.
	You see that in these polls.
	You know, you have people, they start and everybody thinks they're wonderful.
	I mean, look, Ron, who I know well, he tried to cut Social Security.
	He wanted to bring the minimum age to 70 or above.
	He wanted to cut Medicare.
	You know, that's not, when people hear that, they're not going to be voting for him.
	And he's certainly not going to win in a general election, but you're not going to win the Republican primary, in my opinion, either.
	He wants to cut Social Security?
	That's not good.
	And numerous times.
	You know, he's a disciple of Paul Ryan.
	And Paul Ryan is the worst.
	He's the worst.
	He destroyed Romney.
	Mitt Romney could have won that race, but Paul Ryan was a disaster as a pick.
	That was the wheelchair over the cliff, if you remember.
	the famous wheelchair over the cliff, which is what they stung them with.
	And it was very hard for them to get away from it.
	They didn't get away from it.
	So, you know, there's a lot.
	There's a tremendous amount of love out there.
	It's pretty incredible.
	I was watching Fox and Friends this morning, and it was like a DeSantis rally, except the people like Trump better than DeSantis.
	And Brian Kilmeade was going around interviewing people.
	Who do you like?
	I like Trump.
	Who do you like?
	I like Trump.
	They go, they didn't know what to do.
	Fox didn't know what to do, because, you know, Fox has...
	This went wrong just like they had it wrong in 2016.
	You know, in 2016 it was the same thing.
	Frankly, it was worse.
	But, uh... No, we saw that.
	The love is incredible.
	We saw that this morning with Brian Kilmeade in a diner in Florida, and you could only find one person who didn't support you, and that woman wasn't sure whether he favored Ron DeSantis.
	It was quite hilarious.
	Mr. Trump, last two questions we have for you.
	First things first.
	What message do you have?
	This is an audience of three million.
	American lovers, patriots, MAGA, hardcore supporters of you and your message.
	What do you say to those who've lost heart?
	What's my first question?
	Well, you got to keep going.
	You can never quit.
	You can never give up.
	And our whole message is make America great again or it's America first.
	A lot of people like that America first.
	You know, these people are putting America last.
	America, like, they're treating it so badly, allowing millions and millions of people, the number, the real number is probably 15 million people by the end of this year pouring into our country from the jails all over the world and from mental institutions all over the world.
	They're dumping them into our country.
	We've got to win this election, and we've got to win.
	I don't think we're going to have a country if we don't win this election.
	We have to win this election, and we'll get this back just like we had it, and even better, because we would have had, you know, we got hit with COVID, and we did a great job in COVID.
	Didn't get the credit for it, but an incredible job in COVID, and then got the economy back where the stock market was higher than just before COVID came in.
	I mean, we did a great job with that, and a lot of people are now saying it, interestingly.
	And you look at the stock market.
	By the way, the stock market's the worst it's been last year.
	The worst stock market since 1929.
	You know what happened in 1929, right?
	Yes, yes.
	A lot of people are saying we are due a very, very bad correction imminently.
	Sir, last question to you.
	Most elections are decided by the people in the middle.
	Up to 20% of voters decide who they're going to vote on in the last eight days before an election.
	What would you say to those who are undecided or who may be former Democrats?
	Why should they support you and America First?
	Because our country is no longer respected.
	Our country is a laughing stock.
	We're spending trillions and trillions of dollars on giveaways to other countries that we're not taking care of our own.
	You just take a look at what happened recently in Ohio.
	You look at that disaster where Money's being spent all over the world, but we're not taking care of the people of Ohio.
	So many other things.
	Look, we want to make our country strong and great and prosperous and fantastic, and we had that.
	Then COVID came in, and then we had it again.
	I did it twice, actually.
	And the second time was a miracle that I was able to do that.
	And we'll do it again.
	We'll make it better and stronger than ever before.
	But we have to be very tough on our border because our country is being poisoned by allowing people to come into our country that should not be here.
	God bless you, sir.
	Warmest regards to Melania as well.
	You've been listening to the 45th president, and God willing, if we do our work, the 47th president of the United States.
	Thank you, President Trump.
	Thank you very much, Sebastian.
	Great honor.
	Thank you.
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	Well, well, well, that was something else.
	40 minutes with the 45th President of the United States live across the nation and didn't he do well?
	I think that's the fifth time he's been on the show and I think it's probably the best so far.
	Had lots to say about domestic issues, international issues.
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	And then you can listen to the whole podcast, including the discussions we continued in the commercial breaks as well.
	And the strange thing is, I think the last time the president was on the show, was also a day when Lord Black followed him.
	Lord Conrad Black, you're in good company once more.
	Exceedingly distinguished company, and I'm very honored.
	It's like following Babe Ruth or Ted Williams in a baseball game, but I'm afraid I'll be a comparative disappointment.
	Well, the timing is absolutely superlative.
	The President warmed up the crowd for you quite well.
	We will send you the links to the interview because I'd love to.
	I'll listen to it.
	I wasn't able to listen to it, but I will look forward to hearing it.
	As a presidential historian, as somebody who's written books on FDR, on Nixon, on President Trump himself, I think you will enjoy it.
	And you may even concur that it was his best to date, the books we're putting up on the screen right now.
	Please follow our regular guest at ConradMBlack.com and also on Twitter at ConradMBlack.com.
	So much to discuss.
	We have two of your articles, one from the New York Sun, one from the Epoch Times.
	I'll get to those momentarily, but perhaps we can start with this.
	A scion of one of the two political, one of the two Most powerful political dynasties in America, the Bush family.
	Jeb Bush made this endorsement at the weekend of President Trump's challenger, Cut10.
	Is this Ron DeSantis' opportunity to run for higher office?
	I think it is.
	He's been a really effective governor.
	He's young.
	I think we're on the verge of a generational change in our politics.
	I kind of hope so.
	I think it's time for a more forward-leaning, future-oriented conversation in our politics as well.
	That was quite a hagiographic little interview with Jeb Bush where he said, yes, yes, we need a new generation.
	Fascinatingly, Lord Black, early this morning, Politico, which is slightly beneath the gutter, Politico published the story that they had been emailed by the former governor, Jeb Bush, who not quite a full retraction, but stated, "I did not endorse Ron DeSantis.
	I merely praised him." That reminds me of Marc Anthony's speech at Caesar's burial.
	Isn't this peculiar presidential politics?
	I wouldn't want to mind read Jeb Bush, but in fairness to him, I'd say two things.
	Look, he had a bruising battle and a completely unsuccessful battle with Donald Trump in 2016 for the Republican nomination.
	Anyone who followed it remembers what a shambles and a wreckage Trump made of the previously favored Jeb Bush campaign.
	He was thought by many to be the frontrunner.
	And he was demolished.
	And he certainly vividly remembers the extreme antagonism of candidate Trump to the George W. Bush presidency, especially the Iraq war.
	I think it's fair to say President Trump's been generally much more respectful of the former President Bush, Jeb Bush's father.
	So, you know, he has that, and I don't, I mean, whether one agrees with the Trump view or the Bush view, I think we can all understand why Jeb Bush has his reservations about Trump and has some problems with him.
	But on the other hand, I have to say that on what you played there, Jeb Bush is technically right.
	He wasn't saying, I think, I think he should be our nominee for president in our party next year.
	He was just saying he's a very good man and I think we're on the verge of a generational change.
	I think we can agree with that.
	I think, in my own view, is I think Ron DeSantis would be a perfect candidate in 2028.
	But in the meantime, let's give the immediately past candidate for the last two elections A third crack at it when it is to be hoped it will not be a rigged election.
	But isn't there something, Piquant, that the, you know, the scion of the Establishment Conservatives writes to, of all outlets, the Politico to say, I didn't endorse him, I was just praising him.
	There's something strange there, isn't it?
	Maybe... Very strange, unless Politico contacted him first and said, you know, we're going with the story you've endorsed DeSantis.
	And he was just making the point.
	He didn't endorse him.
	He just thought that if he happened to be nominated, that would be a good thing.
	I mean, that's basically what he was saying.
	But yeah, on its face, the Bushes talking to Politico makes no sense.
	It's like in the old days, you know, how many How many times did Richard Nixon or Ronald Reagan phone Pravda?
	I mean, it didn't happen often.
	I think the analogy is very sound there.
	Now, when it comes to whoever's going to be on that debate stage, here is what I see as the primary challenge.
	And tell me if you agree.
	If you say you're a conservative and you're running against President Trump, you have to, to be successful, you have to differentiate yourself from him.
	Now, there's two obvious ways you do that.
	You differentiate yourself on policies.
	You say, I'm going to do X differently from how President Trump did, because the only other option is, I'm going to be different stylistically.
	No more mean tweets and so forth.
	If you're coming in as a Republican, isn't it hard on the policy platform to differentiate yourself from the 45th president?
	If you look at his conservative policy achievements from the Supreme Court to the border to ISIS to the economy, isn't a real uphill challenge for whoever it is, whether it's DeSantis or anybody else?
	I think it is.
	In fairness, I think there is one opportunity that could present itself, but in fairness to Governor DeSantis, I haven't read his book, so I'm just going on comments on it by people who have.
	He goes out of his way, quite clearly, to praise President Trump for his role in DeSantis' own career in assisting him in becoming the governor.
	And he does also support him in policy terms.
	I don't think it makes any sense that he would attack there.
	I think he's got two opportunities, possibly.
	One is not just stylish, but he can take objection.
	He can object.
	To some of the Trump methods of trying to put his policy across and say, you know, I think he could have been more diplomatic and so on.
	It's a little more substantive than just a stylish complaint, but it's still a secondary error.
	If you agree with a person in policy, then what are you running against him for?
	And the other thing which could arise, and I hope it doesn't, is if there is a difference over Ukraine.
	You kindly referred to the pieces I've just filed, one at the Epoch Times, in which I make the point that if President Trump, in saying that war must end soon and so forth, and stating the desirability of not driving Russia completely into the arms of the Chinese, if that's what he's saying, and he's saying that if I'm president and the war's still going on,
	I will make it clear to the Russians we're going to increase the military capability of the Ukrainians unless the Russians will settle for something reasonable.
	But if they will, we will impress upon the Ukrainians the need not to be dedicated to a total and complete humiliation of Russia.
	If that's what he's saying, I doubt if there will be a policy difference.
	But if he's basically, and I don't believe this, but if he's basically saying we're going to stop the drain of money to Ukraine, we're going to cut it off.
	Then I assume DeSantis would differ with that.
	And I think in that case, which I hope wouldn't happen, but in that case he would have a good point.
	I'm assuming that what President Trump's position is, is closer to the first option that I outlined.
	It absolutely is.
	And he actually said just moments ago here on America First that were he back in the Oval Office, the conflict would be stalled, would stop within 24 hours of his being sworn in, We're talking to Lord Conrad Black.
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	Well, I think if you saw my New York Sun piece, I think it's looking good for him right now.
	Yeah, I highlighted this sentence about it is a testament to the imperishability of Donald Trump's political popularity that despite an election in which he was outspent two to one, 95% of the national political media opposed him, often in most Acidulous?
	Acidulous?
	Is that the right pronunciation?
	Yes.
	Acidulous and defamatory fashion and he was constantly reviled as perfidious and dangerously lawless.
	All problems amplified by some of his own tactical errors that he retains his following.
	That's the key thing for me.
	If you watch the video of him at that McDonald's in East Palestine last week, Just the adulation.
	I can't imagine another politician walking into a fast food joint and getting that kind of reaction.
	And not a current one, I mean a few in the past.
	No, no, no, that's what I mean.
	And such a contrast, I mean I admit it's a different level of public office, but such a contrast with that ludicrous figure Pete Buttigieg.
	I mean, refusing to answer questions and, you know, being snippety with everybody?
	Well, and then that thing he did with that female reporter in Washington, D.C., who was asking him very reasonable questions, at the end, I mean, it reminded me of an experience I had in post-Caucasian Romania, where at the end he pulled out his phone and photographed the journalist, a cabinet member.
	I mean, it's just creepy.
	Creepy is perhaps the best word for it.
	I remember we were in Bucharest for the conference where I met my wife 29 years ago.
	It was an Atlantic conference event of young policy makers from around the globe.
	And the last two days were handed over to the government to host us.
	And of course it was the Iliescu former communist government.
	Yes.
	Who had just put Ceausescu to death for genocide.
	Right.
	And we were hosted by the former communist cabinet member who is now the Minister for Minorities and one of our American participants.
	made a comment about the plight of the ethnic Hungarians in Transylvania.
	And the first thing this minister did is he got out his very expensive gold pen and said, "And what is your name?" That's what I thought of when I thought Buttigieg photographed that journalist.
	Yeah, no, it is ludicrous.
	All right, we'll discuss your Epoch Times piece next.
	How did the former president, how does he think it's going?
	Is he pretty confident?
	He was, oh yes, he was very confident about domestic things and then surprisingly, repeatedly he talked about You know, the human tragedy that is Ukraine.
	He didn't pull any pantries.
	He talked about the cities that have been devastated.
	So I think any listeners we have in Kiev will be very happy with the interview he just gave us.
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	We were talking in the break with Lord Black about how much time President Trump has spent on the human tragedy that is the situation in Ukraine.
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	Lord Black, I'd like to talk about your piece on Ukraine in the Epoch Times.
	But as I look at the coverage on television right now, they're interviewing a resident of East Palestine on why Biden hasn't visited yet.
	And President Trump has visited.
	Even before the Transportation Secretary, you've written books on President Trump and prior presidents such as Roosevelt and Nixon.
	I'm sure they probably would have visited by now.
	What does it say?
	Is it an out-of-touchness?
	What is your analysis that more than three weeks in, the current Chief Executive hasn't gone to the side of this awful calamity?
	It's terribly hard to explain, Sebastian.
	He appears to be averse to going to any domestic setting that is unsatisfactory from his political standpoint.
	I mean, it has become, I think, a virtual national outrage that he has only made one visit anywhere near the southern border.
	which he has turned into a sieve through which millions have passed without documentation, and including carrying amongst them, not every one of them obviously, but amongst them, literally tons, tons of fentanyl.
	And he made one peremptory visit to an area that wasn't heavily traveled by illegal migrants and stayed for a few hours, and that was it.
	And he seems to have an aversion to visiting a scene that is unfortunate in itself and potentially or actually politically problematical for him.
	And I don't understand this.
	He's a very experienced person.
	A federal politician, and I would have thought that it would have come easily to him.
	He's not a particularly reticent man.
	He's a rather affable, sociable person.
	He seems to get on well when he does visit with average people.
	Some political leaders have been very stiff.
	And not at their ease at all in that sort of situation.
	You go back to famous people like Calvin Coolidge and so on.
	But, I mean, President Biden seems to get on with people all right, and I just don't understand it.
	Does it speak to something?
	Especially as it becomes a controversy, as it has.
	Does it speak to some kind of isolation from everyday events?
	I think, again, I'm taking a liberty here, but I think Uh, an aversion to being reminded of something unpleasant and potentially difficult for him.
	And I would have thought if that's what you're facing, then the way to approach it is to go and look at it and come up with a plan of action to deal with it instead of just pretending it isn't there.
	I'm not being rude, Lord Black, for those watching.
	I'm looking at my phone for a very special reason.
	We'll discuss your article momentarily.
	But it seems as if Mar-a-Lago is listening to the show now, not just during President Trump's interview.
	The name will not be disclosed, but President Trump's executive assistant has just texted me with a quote message.
	Great interview, Seb.
	Say hello to Lord Black.
	Splendid.
	If it is feasible for you to do it, please return my greetings with the utmost respect and good wishes.
	I am doing it as we speak.
	Okay, that is so wonderful that they're listening to the show even after the boss has been on.
	All right, there's one line in your piece at Epoch Times, and please read Lord Black's pieces at the New York Sun and the Epoch Times, that I wish you to expand upon because it's so Shame on those, you write, who dispute that aid to Ukraine is a justifiable strategic investment for America and its allies.
	This is something that I've been railing against for months now.
	Why is there this reflex amongst anybody who's a conservative?
	Well, I think it's not all conservatives, fortunately, but it is a number, including a number who are friends of ours personally, yours and mine, and whom in almost all other respects we agree with and respect.
	But I think it comes to two things.
	One is they're just tired of the Pentagon.
	They don't believe them anymore.
	The second Gulf War was a disaster.
	Afghanistan was a disaster.
	And Vietnam was ultimately a disaster, and the first Gulf War was adequate in the sense of getting Iraq out of Kuwait, but leaving Saddam in place just led to more violence and ultimately Iran exercising more influence over Iraq than anyone else did, which is the last thing we wanted.
	And so it's sort of an unthinking reaction.
	We've had it.
	We don't want any more of this.
	But that is nonsense.
	There's not one American soldier or armed service person involved in a combat role.
	There's not been one American casualty.
	And the amount of aid involved to assist in the assurance that our great Western Strategic victory, our great bloodless strategic victory of the Cold War is not undone, and we don't get back into the reassembly of the Soviet Union.
	That commitment of aid, almost all of which money goes to Americans and assists the American economy, it's a pittance, as General Keane says.
	It is three-fifths of one percent of the budget in order to ensure that 40 million people gain the freedom they're fighting for so valiantly.
	And it shocks and disappoints me that this is criticized.
	And just a reminder, by the way, that the person who invaded Ukraine called the End of the Cold War and the loss of the Soviet Union, the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century.
	That's the former KGB colonel Vladimir Putin.
	Well, that went by far too fast.
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	333 Gawker Berlin Harris is the president's EA who texted me to give you that message Conrad.
	I Ah, good, good.
	Well, look, as I say, I think it's looking good.
	You know, one thing that has just vanished is all discussion of Trump being indicted.
	No one talks about it, which means that the administration's given up on that one.
	And also, I was thinking today, as I was on Twitter, it's funny.
	It's as if the likes of the Lincoln Project have disappeared.
	Yeah.
	Isn't that interesting?
	You know, we've got a lot of positive development since four years ago.
	Twitter's in sane hands.
	The worst enemies of the former president aren't there anymore.
	I mean, even Lemmon, he's still on.
	He's on at five in the morning or something.
	You know, Chris Wallace is gone, Zucker's gone, Stelter's gone.
	I mean, the whole game has changed.
	Yeah, that's a very, very good way of putting it.
	The battlefield is significantly improved.
	Yep.
	People forget that six years ago Trump was regarded as just an absurd and preposterous and dangerous person.
	The whole campaign was considered to be a marketing prank.
	A publicity stunt.
	A way to sell mineral water and mattresses and things like that.
	Just the idea that he can't go to Ohio just beggars belief.
	So strange.
	So strange.
	Good.
	Well, we'll have to make sure that we get the president on another time when you're with us.
	Look, I'm going to send you a gigantic email soon with all that.
	Oh, super.
	Yes.
	Yes, please.
	That project of mine.
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	I can't wait.
	All right.
	All the best.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	Bye-bye.
	Thanks.
	Bye.
	All righty.
	New American was saying that they could do Anytime before 4.30 p.m.
	So I asked for 4 p.m.
	on Thursday, which is shortly before your AMAC interview.
	Okay, good.
	All righty.
	Title 4 black.
	Something about Biden not visiting Ohio. - Yeah.
	Why is Biden afraid of East Palestine?
	Frak, was it Travis White?
	Is that right?
	The CEO?
	That's who we had on the radio.
	Oh, that's fine.
	Yeah, yeah, whoever we had on.
	All right.
	Yeah, yeah.
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	Hey Dr. G, real quick, I mean we were like so fired up listening to President Trump, but I know he knows what he's doing, but we loved 2016 when he went right for the juggler, he had the venom going, he was fighting left, right, left, right, it was like smoking Joe Frazier on the stage.
	But this time around, We don't want to hear him talking about Republicans.
	There's too much happening right now with these communist Democrats that have infiltrated our government like bedbugs.
	I mean, if he could just pound on his accomplishments and then turn his venom towards these Democrats.
	And I think where he needs to start Go to Ron DeSantis' house, get down on a knee with those young kids, give them a hug, apologize for talking bad about their daddy, and then not one more word about a Republican.
	Just these Democrats.
	Just our thoughts.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, Phil.
	We have a primary.
	We have the rough and tumble of Republicans jousting with each other.
	We're not going to have flowers and candy.
	We've got to see who the strongest candidate is.
	We're Americans.
	We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
	We can't be, you know, rough and tumble on our own side to decide who the strongest candidate is and at the same time utterly skewer the Democrats.
	Why do you think we can't do the same thing, you know, two things at the same time?
	Well, he not only talked the talk, but he walked the walk.
	He's got a list of accomplishments.
	But are you worried that he's suddenly not going to walk the walk?
	I don't get it.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	We know what he's going to do when we get him back in there.
	He should be in there right now.
	Right.
	But we know what's going to happen, but he's got to make sure America understands that this country is being disintegrated by the influx of this communist regime that has taken us over.
	Right.
	I'm going to have to cogitate and ruminate on your advice.
	You kind of shocked me there, Phil.
	Let me think about that.
	Thank you, Phil.
	Let's go to Wendy in Louisville, Kentucky, line two.
	Yes.
	Hello?
	Yes, this is, yes, Wendy, it's you now.
	Okay.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	I have an idea for a shirt.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, go ahead.
	Okay.
	I have a picture of Biden next to his Corvette.
	And on top has a box that says classified documents.
	And down below says, I take Classified documents, dash, dash, seriously.
	I like that, Wendy.
	Thank you kindly.
	Yes, him driving past at the speed of his Corvette with a cardboard box of top-secret documents on the roof of his Corvette, and then that phrase that he said, oh, I take classified documents very seriously.
	I like that.
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	It's Tuesday, right?
	Today is Tuesday the 28th, last day of February.
	Tuesday the 28th... Well, what cuts do we need to play?
	Other than the Trump cuts, which were for the purpose of hyping our audience up.
	Oh, Rashida the loony.
	That's a good one.
	We already played Biden.
	Swalwell on Tucker.
	Oh, Swalwell.
	Proudest boy.
	Play that again.
	Cut one.
	Go ahead.
	Well, we're seeing week by week that now Kevin McCarthy has to pay a new installment on that corrupt bargain, right?
	So last week, the installment was to give Tucker Carlson unfettered access to police footage, sensitive police footage of the Capitol on January 6th.
	You know, there's no good ending to that.
	It's either going to be used to distort what happened on January 6th by Tucker Carlson, or you just gave the proudest boy of all a blueprint for the Capitol.
	Who knows where that will land for the next insurrection that could be planned.
	Proudest boy of all, that's unironically it.
	I bet he was so excited about using that line.
	Unironically a cool nickname though, let's be honest.
	Oh, you'd like that, wouldn't you?
	You'd like to be called the proudest boy of all.
	I mean, did they do anything wrong?
	Uh, yeah, they did.
	Do you want to come in with anything?
	Come in with Mayor Pete, that's too funny.
	Mayor Pete cut five.
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	Not for a second.
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	Jeff, I'm shocked by Phil from Philly.
	What was that about?
	Having to go and kiss DeSantis' kids?
	What's that all about?
	I know.
	And we're supposed to pretend that there's not a million DeSantis surrogates that are attacking Trump every day online.
	Four DeSantis?
	Yes!
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	Dr. G, President Trump, Don the Builder, will use his wrecking ball in the primary and destroy anybody that challenges him.
	continue down the line.
	Joe, Illinois, line three.
	- Dr. G. - Yeah. - President Trump, Don the Builder, will use his wrecking ball in the primary and destroy anybody that challenges him.
	- I agree. - Yeah.
	And I think certain people that are thinking about it need to think twice.
	Well, look, look, look, there's two things.
	Look, if they're not serious about it, they're going to make millions of dollars.
	And the other thing is they might, they might be able to get themselves a place in the second Trump administration.
	Remember, Ben Carson was one of the people on that platform, and he became an amazing member of the Trump cabinet.
	So some people like Nikki Haley don't have a shot.
	Other people like John Bolton are just egomaniacs.
	But there's lots of different reasons people are doing that.
	For example, Joe, I would love to see That very successful businessman who hates the globalists, Vivek Ramaswamy, as part of a Trump administration.
	So I think there's some logic.
	But you're right.
	The rest, they're just going to get pulverized.
	Copy that, sir.
	All right.
	Thank you, buddy.
	Darren, Minneapolis, line four.
	Hello, Dr. Gorkin.
	Hey.
	I just kind of wanted to jump on a little bit of what Phil said.
	Personally, I would love to see a DeSantis or Trump DeSantis ticket.
	I think DeSantis is going to have to be very careful what he does because overwhelmingly Trump has the most support in the Republican side.
	Correct.
	He goes after Trump and I think he's going to destroy his career.
	Yeah, I think that's right.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I just think personally, I would just love it if the two of them could get together even before the primary and say, you know what, we're the couple.
	He's going to be the vice president.
	2028, 2032 will be DeSantis.
	And that, I think, the two of them together, there's no way...
	You must be a regular listener to the show.
	I've been saying this for months now.
	If Ron is clever, he won't let himself be exploited by the rhinos and the establishment class, the big bundlers, the big funders.
	He'll come in, he'll be a veep, and then he can roll into the big position in 2028.
	I've been saying that for months, but Ron, you can't let yourself be exploited and used by the establishment, the fake conservatives, and the Uniparty.
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	Randy.
	Hey, Dr. Gorka.
	Hey.
	Hey, I am so sick of my fellow Republicans, supposed conservatives, saying, be nice, Donald.
	Don't talk mean about people and all.
	You know, Dr. Gorka, maybe it says something about my character, but when Trump came out in his first campaign and he started skewering these Republican establishment guys.
	When he talked about Governor Kasich sticking that pancake in his mouth and then said, any questions, anybody?
	I laughed.
	I thought it was great.
	Other people, they say, oh, it's not decorum and stuff.
	Man, this is a battle.
	First you have to win the primary.
	Aren't we kind of past decorum, Randy?
	When we've got 110,000 Americans dead from fentanyl in 12 months, I really couldn't give a crap about decorum.
	Absolutely.
	And these are the people who said, I don't like his mean tweets.
	Well, how do you think about it now that we're going down the toilet with these commies running our country?
	I think Donald ought to fight like he is a fighter.
	First, you have to win the primary.
	And that means shining a light on these clowns.
	Who's been nice to President Trump?
	And I appreciate you, Dr. Gorka, talking about who's funding DeSantis.
	He's establishment.
	He's a swamp creature like almost everybody else out there is except for Donald.
	And, Randy, who's been nice to President Trump?
	Who's been nice to him?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, it's not a two-way street.
	We need to man up.
	We need to have a pair and fight the battle and win it.
	Stay on the line, Randy.
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	We already did him.
	Huh?
	Two weeks ago.
	Jeff was asking about something else, and Alex has already been recorded.
	Can you play cut six again?
	So...
	Six.
	Go ahead.
	There is not a consensus on what caused COVID to start.
	The president wants to understand that so we can prevent better future pandemics.
	He's made that a priority and I just don't, we don't have an answer to speak to.
	And I certainly, so given that we don't have a consensus, it would be foolish for me to get out ahead of speculation on hypothetical situations to come.
	We just aren't there.
	Wow.
	That's incredible.
	Coming with that.
	I have to say, it's one of the most pathetic things I've ever done.
	Yeah, that is... That's true, though.
	It shows that they know that hurt him.
	I know, but to actually, he contacts the Politico, that's like... How cuckolded are you?
	I mean, just really.
	So bad.
	Unbelievable.
	Down bad.
	Alright, coming with cut six.
	Yeah.
	There is not a consensus on what caused COVID to start.
	The president wants to understand that so we can prevent better future pandemics.
	He's made that a priority and I just don't we don't have an answer to speak to and I certainly so given that we don't have a consensus it would be foolish for me to get out ahead of speculation on hypothetical situations to come.
	We just aren't there yet.
	Speculation on hypotheticals.
	It's a big deal.
	Is that a bad joke, Kabul Kirby?
	Speculation on hypothermia.
	Three years later, you can't say the coronavirus probably originated from the coronavirus research facility being run by Communist China in Wuhan.
	You're a bloody disgrace, you truly are.
	Let's go to Bobby, Colorado, line two.
	Yes, Dr. Gorka?
	Yeah, yes.
	Help me understand something, please, sir.
	I, for the life of me, cannot understand.
	Here we have these last two years of total hell with these people, and yet we've got so-called Republicans running against our president, who they know is our president.
	They know the election was stolen.
	We're losing our country.
	All our money is being given away to Ukraine, Everywhere else but the American people.
	We have people in Ohio that can't even drink their water and we've got so-called candidates fighting against our President Trump and fighting against the American people.
	Instead of standing together and saying enough is enough, we're standing with our President and we're taking our country back and we're doing what we need to do to support him.
	Alright, so what's the question, Bobby?
	Why?
	Why?
	Are you serious?
	Why?
	Because they're not conservatives.
	They're not America First.
	They're faking it, Bobby.
	I understand that, but you got Ron DeSantis, who everybody wants to put on a pedestal and have my president bow down to him?
	Hell no!
	Nuh-uh!
	No!
	She is taking dark money, dark money from these people that are backstabbing my president?
	No!
	Uh-uh, no!
	You know, Bobby, you've really challenged me there.
	I can't answer that for you.
	I just don't get it.
	When somebody who's had his home raided illegally by the FBI, And you want him to apologize?
	Jeff, do you understand why?
	I mean, I love Phil.
	He's been a great listener for years.
	Bobby's question is a really good question.
	What the hell's going on?
	Because people still think that DeSantis is Trump.
	Why?
	Based on what?
	Watch Fox News!
	Alright, Bobby.
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	Although today...
	I'm somewhat disappointed with my team.
	I asked to bring back a good friend of the show and clearly he's too busy, he can't make it, and they sent me his younger brother.
	Dr. Steve Turley, where are you and who is this person that is half of the man I know?
	Yeah, younger and slimmer, and I think I'm talking to Dr. Seb's younger and slimmer brother as well.
	Tell our listeners who don't know the backstory of the phone call you made to me recently.
	I gotta give a shout out, absolutely.
	So I was on your show, what was it, like six months ago, seven months ago?
	And you were doing a plug for this amazing company called PhD Weight Loss, Dr. Ashley Lucas.
	And I think at the time it lost about 40 pounds, 30 or 40 pounds.
	42 pounds.
	My wife lost 36, yeah.
	Wow.
	And some other, you had a producer, I think he had 50.
	No, I had a colleague, Mike Gallagher, who lost 50.
	He beat us all.
	Now, he had more to lose to begin with, but credit to Mike Gallagher.
	Credit to Mike Gallagher, absolutely.
	And I listened to that and I said, you know what?
	I mean, I'm, I'm a small guy.
	I'm 5'5", but I was 220 pounds.
	And I was like, and you know, my wife and I were talking like, how, what am I going to do here?
	I mean, I can't, nothing I'm doing is trying, nothing I'm trying is working.
	And I heard, I heard the ad that you gave and I said, you know what?
	I'm giving them a call.
	This sounds What I really liked is the accountability that you have every week.
	You get a personal, kind of not trainer, but a kind of counselor.
	You gotta check in every week.
	And it's tough!
	It's like being back in school and you gotta talk to the headmistress.
	It's exactly how I felt when I met Dr. Ashley.
	I was like, I feel like I'm going in front of the chancellor of the university or something.
	Anyway, here we are six months later.
	How much did you lose?
	So far, I just clocked in at 50 pounds.
	I'm 168.
	Wow, dude.
	That is amazing.
	And how long did that take you?
	How many months in?
	It's been a lot.
	I started at the end of August.
	So we're hitting six months or so.
	Yeah.
	That's insane.
	That's the best endorsement I could have that somebody unbeknownst to me He listens to me, listens to me do the pitch, rings up, becomes a client, and then he has an amazing success story.
	All right, guys.
	We don't have to do it this hour, but I'm going to do it anyway.
	Dr. Ashley Lucas, thank you in the name of Dr. Turley, myself, and especially my wife, who is ecstatic if you've given up on losing weight.
	I'd given up.
	I said, this is it.
	You know, I'm six foot three.
	I can be 268 pounds.
	I can carry it.
	I can hide it.
	And now I don't need to be, and it feels amazing.
	All right, look, listen to what Steve said.
	Call them up if you'd given up as well.
	864-644-1900, myphdweightloss.com.
	That's 864-644-1900, myphdweightloss.com.
	Maybe somebody else is listening right now, and that'll be the next success story.
	There's only three million of you out there.
	God bless you, Steve, for having the perseverance and Congratulations, as they say in the military, bravo Zulu, bravo Zulu.
	All right, let's get back to work.
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	Let's get down to work.
	I want to talk about some very big picture stuff.
	Such as gaslighting the nature of, you know, the defenders of truth today.
	But let's start in the prosaic, the pedestrian.
	Let's talk about politics for a bit.
	Where are we in your analysis?
	Because you've written numerous books about the changing Politics, the cultural landscape of the last two years.
	Conservative politics in America, is it on the ascendance or do we have to say that the systematic persecution, whether it's January Sixers, whether it's Mr. Houck, the pro-life activist, you know, the political persecution by the state of conservatives is so blatant that we've got some real problems.
	What's your diagnosis?
	I honestly, I'd put an and instead of an or.
	I really would.
	I think it's the best of times, it's the worst of times.
	For me, Dr. Seva, I think the best way of the structure of understanding What we're experiencing right now is a good old paradigm shift.
	That's a term that goes back to the early 60s, before you and I were born, to Thomas Kuhn, the historian of science, and it involves five stages.
	And I think we could see all five stages happening right before our very eyes.
	Five stages of a paradigm shift.
	First, you have what are called anomalies.
	For you Greek fans, that comes from anomos, outside of the law or without the law.
	It's something that doesn't make sense.
	A dominant reigning paradigm, which is just a worldview, a way of viewing the world, a way of viewing reality.
	There are just going to be things in the way we see the world that just don't make sense.
	You know, kind of like teenagers, right?
	They're cute and cuddly when they're kids, but they hit adolescence and all of a sudden they become anomalies.
	We can't understand them.
	But then that leads to a second development.
	As anomalies accumulate, the dominant paradigm—and for Kuhn, he actually based his scientific research on political paradigms, which is interesting—the dominant political paradigm goes through a crisis.
	In that more and more people are less and less confident in the paradigm to be able to explain reality.
	So our teenager may be really getting out of control, so we'll make my wife the good guy.
	So what does she do?
	She goes and starts reading a whole bunch of books on teenagers.
	She starts consulting with other parents.
	She might start going to a counselor.
	What is she doing?
	She's very naturally, very organically looking for a new paradigm to better understand what the old paradigm can't.
	And lo and behold, it happens.
	Suddenly, everything about our teenager makes sense to her, and that's a paradigm shift.
	But there's a problem.
	And this is number four, right?
	So you've got your anomaly, you've got your crisis, you've got the paradigm shift.
	But the number four, the problem is, my wife had a paradigm shift, I didn't.
	So we begin to clash now over our teenager.
	And that's because our two paradigms are, in Kuhn's terms, Incommensurate, which is a fancy word saying, you know, they're contradictory.
	They're incompatible.
	Precisely because one can understand the anomalies, while the original one can't.
	And that's what's happening right now.
	It's happening inside our nation with this clash between... Can you break it down?
	Can you illustrate it?
	You know, the teenager and the two parents.
	Give us the societal analog.
	Yeah, so, I mean, a perfect example would be something like border insecurity.
	So globalism, by its nature, transcends borders.
	Globalism hates borders and boundaries.
	And so more and more populations feel this tremendous sense of insecurity with open borders.
	It's not just here in the United States, you know, it's all throughout Europe and the like.
	And so globalism Unleashes this anomaly of border insecurity that more and more the population feels, particularly in relation to terrorist acts.
	And so inevitably what ends up happening is they end up looking for a new political paradigm that will alleviate and assuage that radical sense of border insecurity.
	Hence, MAGA, hence America First.
	All of a sudden now, some brash billionaire comes down the escalator in 2015 and says, we're going to build a wall and we're going to make Mexico pay for it.
	We see the same thing, economic insecurity.
	So manufacturing and industrial jobs end up getting shipped from First World Nations to Third World Nations or the Global South, as we should say.
	from first world nations to third world nations, or the global south, as we should say.
	And then finance and capital reallocate around our cosmopolitan urban centers, leaving rural folk highly unemployed.
	And then finance and capital reallocate around our cosmopolitan urban centers, leaving rural folk highly unemployed.
	And so what happens in France?
	And so what happens in France?
	Well, you can't work in the, I mean, you can't work in the rural areas where you're living, but you can't live in the cosmopolitan areas where there's work because of gentrification and the prices have been going up.
	So you have to commute an hour, an hour and a half to work each way.
	And then Macron comes in and slaps a fuel tax on you in the name of Greta-izing Europe, and you blow up.
	Everybody puts on their, what is it?
	Yellow safety vests, and then everything grinds to a halt.
	The Gilets Jaunes.
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	I've already made a list of about 20 things I need to get to with you in this hour.
	were.
	Look, I'm a philosophy and theology major, so are you, so let's get the groundwork out of the way.
	You've got to have a taxonomy, you've got to have definitions, and then we'll move on to the super sexy stuff.
	I'm a conservative, at least I think I am.
	I hate labels.
	I grew up under Maggie Thatcher.
	I guess I'm a paleocon or an old school conservative.
	But here's the problem, Steve.
	So, theoretically, conservatives want to conserve.
	They want to conserve that which has been demonstrated over millennia to work.
	You know, traditional values, the family, man is a man, woman is a woman, and so forth.
	Conserve that which we know works.
	But in the last 80 years, they've destroyed that.
	So there is nothing to conserve.
	I mean, unless you go out to the rural, you know, the heartland, there's nothing to conserve of any value where there is political power.
	So here's my question to you.
	Is the word conservative Applicable today?
	If not, what do we need to call it?
	And then secondly, how much harder is the job of those like you and me, and those who believe in our nations and the Westphalian system and national sovereignty and traditional values, to be successful if we're basically recreating, we have to revivify, that which the left has dismantled in the last 80 years since, you know, Antonio Gramsci.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	How many more questions?
	Many, many, many.
	But let's start with these ones.
	Oh, that's brilliant.
	I know.
	I think you're right.
	I mean, conservatism is going through sort of a redefinition right now with the neocons getting pushed out finally, mercifully.
	Right.
	And thanks to your team coming in in 2016, 2017.
	Yeah, to be Right.
	And I love how you say things that work for a thousand years, because that's the way I think we have to think.
	That's why I use the term Christendom in the book.
	The original title was something on the coming Christian majority, and I got pushed back on that by some colleagues saying, no, no, no, we've got to go deeper.
	This isn't just You know, Pat Robertson 2.0 kind of thing.
	This is, Pat Robertson is dependent on generations and generations and generations.
	So definitely, conservatism today, I think, is much more of the, you know, Russell Kirkian, Edmund Burke sort of traditionalist, you know.
	It's one who believes... Trad cons?
	Are we trad cons?
	Yeah, there you go!
	That's right!
	We are...
	It's the idea that there are beliefs, institutions, and practices of the past that are indispensable for maintaining today so that we can flourish in the future.
	So it's past, present, and future combined.
	Think of the We are in our theological speak.
	Think of the Apostle Paul when he says in 1 Corinthians 11, as often as you eat of this bread and drink of this cup, now you proclaim the Lord's death in the past until he comes again in the future.
	It's past, present, and future bound together through an expression of eternity.
	But that is a beautiful summation, because it's your action now, but it's tied to past and future.
	But the question is, the action that we have today, isn't it the hardest it's ever been?
	Because we have to rebirth the millennia-old values that have been dismantled.
	Absolutely.
	And just take, for example, just the way the traditional family has been utterly ravaged.
	You know, you take a kid, any kid, black or white, raised in a home without a dad, and they're what, you know, the stats, right?
	They're five times more likely to be poor and commit crimes, nine times more likely to drop out of school, 20 times more likely to end up in jail.
	We're now seeing, since 1965, Black families go from 25% illegitimacy rates now to 75%.
	Whites have gone from 5% to 1960s, today 30%.
	illegitimacy rates now to 75%.
	Whites have gone from 5% to 1960s today, 30%.
	I mean, this is absolutely crazy stuff.
	And it's the family more than any other institution where children learn that they're morally obligated to people, places, and institutions that they didn't personally choose for themselves, but that chose them.
	And therefore that cultivates a sense of fidelity and responsibility and obligation.
	You and I have talked a lot about that in terms of rekindling manhood.
	So it's interesting because everywhere around the world, though—this is what's so interesting, Dr. Seif—everywhere around the world, they're all facing this right now.
	China is going back to a neo-Confucianism because they so ravaged their family with the one-child policy.
	So now they're banning effeminate men on television and training young boys to become men in their schools because they recognize that they're not going to have a future if they can't rekindle the biological nuclear family.
	We're seeing it all over the way.
	India is talking about this again.
	In the Islamic world, where they've ironically seen a demographic implosion, obviously because of all the wars and the insanity that's going on there.
	But they're talking about having to recover something as basic as The family.
	The good news is we've been here before.
	That's the good news.
	You know, at the sacking of Rome, the fall of Rome, we then saw for about a thousand years, population levels didn't grow at virtually at all.
	You know, plagues and so forth and wars and famine had issues with that.
	But we had to rebuild civilization and society.
	Augustan City of God in many respects is is a tome that gives us a plan for that.
	He contrasts the city of Rome with the city, the eternal city of God.
	And as Rome falls, inevitably the city of God lives because it's eternal, it can't be destroyed.
	And therefore we always have a blueprint, as it were, for rebuilding, for regenerating society.
	And then Byzantium is rocking and rolling during this period.
	So a lot of people go over to Byzantium for the next thousand years, but then when it falls in 1453, they all go back to the West and it goes through a revitalization.
	So I think in many ways we're in the groundworks of a civilizational revitalization that's comparable to those To those marks in our history.
	My issue is there aren't a lot of Augustinian individuals around today.
	Maybe the events, the environment will create them, but we need to start stepping up to the plate.
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	All right, so let's start knocking off some more of these questions.
	There's so many more to go.
	Oh, very quickly, if you can, I don't, you know, it can be a yes or no, but when it comes to the recrudescence and the rebuilding of our civilization, are you satisfied with the work being done by the Christian churches?
	No, I had to be honest at this point, no.
	They're not quite up to the task.
	Look, for how long now?
	About a hundred years?
	Not even.
	But the church has been so radically privatized with secularization and You know, we used to be, just think of medieval architecture.
	The church was always the most prominent building in the most glorious city imaginable.
	And I'm talking to someone from Hungary, one of the most beautiful cities on the planet.
	Whereas you look at urban planning today, churches don't even appear.
	And if they are there, they're in the place of consumption next to pizza huts and dry cleaners.
	They're going to have to step up to the plate.
	I think the good news is they are and they will.
	The Christian patriots that are rising up, especially as part of the new nationalist movement that I write about, the MAGA movement, America First.
	I got to know very well Doug Mastriano.
	I'm not too far away from Pennsylvania.
	Doug is an amazing guy.
	There's so many, you know, Carey Lake, you name it.
	These are real Christians who recognize that we're all about preserving and prospering true civilization.
	And the pastors have to catch up to that.
	That's what I've noticed.
	Now, when we look at the state of, you said we've been here before and we've recovered from this before.
	However, here's my question for the historic context.
	We've had dissolute and loose and pervert elites before, but have we ever been run by people who aren't just perverted and dissolute, but who actually hate their own civilization?
	Because this is the peculiar situation we're living in, that, you know, the left today, whether it's the Democrats or the Labour Party or what have you, you know, or Trudeau in Canada, they detest Their own civilization.
	Now, the Romans may have been throwing around, you know, having orgies and what have you, but did they actually detest their own civilization?
	I'm not so sure.
	So, do you think that could make the challenge even harder, Dr. T?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Again, I'm looking, but as a correspondence to that, I'm looking at the Soviets and how they ravaged czarist Russia, or you look at what the Nazis did to traditionalist Europe and I mean, yeah, I mean, it's horrific stuff.
	And the amount of damage that they can cause goes beyond human sensibility.
	But, you know, the Third Reich loved what they were building.
	The Soviets, you know, worshipped the state.
	Here we have people like Obama saying we're going to fundamentally transform.
	Well, you don't fundamentally transform anything that you love, so isn't the challenge unique that our adversaries have the power, but they detest that which over they have power?
	Right, right.
	It is so bizarre.
	I agree a thousand percent.
	That's what's creating this massive gap between the values, interests, and concerns of the people versus the values, interests, concerns of this elite, permanent political class.
	But no, again, I still stand on it in the sense that I think the Soviets hated traditionalist society.
	And they hated the nationalisms and the populisms of the people.
	Ironically, if you think that one through, they hated that as much as our elites, who are now cultural Marxists, hate us.
	They wanted to replace the church.
	They wanted to get rid of traditionalist society.
	They wanted to get rid of, I mean, they were even, you know, I mean, especially like with Nazis.
	I mean, they were experimenting with all kinds of strange lifestyle values and so on.
	And you look at Mao and you look at them dressing men and women in the same clothes with the same haircuts to create this unisex Orwellian society.
	I mean, it's been pretty bad.
	And yet, what's happening?
	Ironically now, China is more Confucian than it's been probably in 300 years.
	So it's this fascinating sort of backlash of tradition that keeps coming back, and the more they try to squelch it, sort of, again, using sort of a biblical metaphor, it's sort of like Romans 1, the more they try to suppress the truth, the more the truth explodes.
	It's very much like the cross destroying truth himself, and then the resurrection demonstrating true love can never be destroyed.
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	Dr. T, there's a exercise.
	It's actually now a function inside the military.
	It's actually, there are several posts where a commander has to have an individual who's specialized in this activity.
	It's called red teaming, where the officer has to try and think like the enemy, whether it's Russia, whether it's ISIS or what have you, to help inform the commander as to what to expect on the battlefield from the other side.
	Let's do a little bit of red teaming with regards to the post-modern deconstructionist left, the globalists, whichever label you prefer.
	I am of the following contention.
	I have yet to find somebody who can counter it.
	That whilst they have done inordinate, deep tissue damage to everything that we hold sacred, today I don't see any heavyweight, serious thinkers Yes, there's, you know, the Karl Popperian acolyte with his billions, George Soros, but I mean, the latest video you saw of him, I mean, he's more decrepit than Emperor Palpatine, okay?
	So, yes, there's Karl Schwab, but Karl Schwab, I mean, every utterance out of his mouth is like some...
	Second-rate villain from a James Bond knockoff.
	This isn't, you know, this isn't the Lenin or the Trotsky or the Gramsci of the past.
	This isn't even the Frankfurt School.
	This isn't the likes of Alinsky or others.
	So for me, we're in this... Tell me if I'm wrong.
	I see academics in the background with their critical race theory here and there doing stuff but the left is it's kind of functioning on rote it's just it's following the playbook written for them 50 60 years ago but i'm not impressed you know their arrogance is shocking but i'm not impressed with the the intellectual fortitude which makes me a little bit more uh positive am i am i am i being too pollyannish
	No, I think you're exactly right.
	I think we all see it.
	We're all looking at each other saying, how do these guys get into power?
	This is crazy.
	I mean, look who's leading them all right now, you know?
	I mean, my, oh my, talk about a symbol of a dying worldview.
	It's very interesting because I don't know if it's related, but we do have, there are, I've noticed a growing body of studies that recognize that Multiculturalism by its nature, and I'm not talking about a polyethnic society, 90% of our states are polyethnic.
	I'm talking about multicultural, you know, this kind of cultural Marxist sort of, you know, we're going to beat up and bash the dominant culture and then celebrate the ethnocentrality of all the so-called minority cultures.
	There's a growing body of studies that show that it really does erode social trust.
	There's a really interesting study from Sweden that came out.
	It's an official study.
	It's an actual government study.
	And they looked at levels of social trust.
	How much do I trust my political institutions and my neighbors?
	So it's both kind of vertical and horizontal.
	And they looked at attitudes between the years 2014 and 2017.
	So you'll know, obviously, what happened in 2015, which is, so they were looking at attitudes and social trust before and after the refugee crisis of 2015.
	Would Sweden receive per capita the most amount of refugees?
	And the study found that the confidence and faith that Swedes had in their nation and their fellow neighbor, you name it, dropped in 60% of their municipalities in actually, stat here, in 20 of 33 municipalities.
	The confidence level dropped between 2014 and 2017.
	And the study found a very clear converse relationship, in that the more the refugees in a particular municipality, the lower the trust.
	So if you think about it, what is wokeness?
	All it is, when all is said and done, it's a radically left-wing reaction to this overall declining social trust in liberalism and the reigning liberal paradigm that starts after World War II, that ends up going on a world tour after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 and ushering in the liberal international order and our endless wars and all that kind of stuff that No.
	45 was so hell-bent on dismantling.
	This is a left-wing reaction to that.
	And what they're ending up doing now and rejecting the whole liberal order as racist and sexist and awful, throwing us in, of course, in all of that.
	What they're doing is they're just promoting hate.
	You've brought this up, which I think is brilliant.
	They're just promoting hate and hate by its nature is parasitic.
	It doesn't create, it doesn't produce, And so in the end, this imploding social trust that's killing the system as a whole, the liberal, globalist, secular system as a whole, is manifesting itself in this radically woke reaction.
	And the radically woke reaction is, to its very core, pure hate.
	It wants to destroy.
	It wants to revile.
	And that doesn't build.
	Again, it only ends up decimating.
	The real building is actually happening on the right.
	The reawakening of social trust through America First nationalism, that's what we're finding, is that cultures that embrace civic nationalism tend to have very strong social trust.
	Just look at what Viktor Orban's doing, or Andrzej Duda in Poland.
	Because the social trust that nationalist, civic populism is able to embody is just undeniable.
	Yahoo is back for what the fourth, fifth, sixth time, because because the social trust that nationalist civic populism is able to embody is just undeniable.
	You combine that then with the high degree of fertility rates of the more conservative religionists, then inevitably you get something akin to a Christian nationalism, MAGA first, America first paradigm.
	There's nothing they can really do to stop it.
	My question is, is it a good thing that they have no brains amongst them, or is it a bad thing that basically they'll end up like zombies, mindless, mindless killers of everything that we love?
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	Here's my biggest concern for you, Dr. Turley.
	I look at the recent polls on relations between the young genders, between young men and young women, the lack of, and I'm not encouraging sexual promiscuity, but the fear and the inadequacy and the artificiality that The Me Too culture and everything else is generated.
	There is a breakdown of the man and woman relationship.
	On top of that, COVID masking of children is going to create disastrous results in 10-20 years time.
	And then we have the trans phenomena, which is, as far as I'm concerned, the apotheosis or the nadir of evil.
	Can we win, can the good guys win, if there is such an assault on the youngest in our civilization and such a fear of what should be natural relations between men and women?
	Yeah, let me first absolutely corroborate what you're saying.
	You know, if you go back to, say, 1970, and you look at the Marxist feminist writers, They were all writing about the imperative of destroying the biological family precisely because they believed and they were right.
	They believed that trained children have loyalties and fidelities that superseded modern ideologies like cultural Marxism.
	They recognized that the biological family was rooted in heterosexual norms, so if you forget eliminating heterosexuality, if you eliminate the sex difference itself, you can in turn break the biological family.
	That's their argument.
	So the end goal of of what we just saw, this transgender ideology, is not equality or equity or civil rights or whatever you wanna call it.
	The end goal of it all is to overturn the very foundations of civilization, namely the traditional family.
	So I think you're absolutely right.
	Yeah, again, the good news in this is demographics is destiny and they're not replacing themselves People who are moving in this direction—and I know there's some kids from good conservative families that are falling victim to this stuff, I know, and that's incredibly painful.
	I've been a teacher in classical Christian circles for years, so I'll see it here or there.
	But fortunately, we have the stats that have been coming in on that.
	And our kids, if they're being raised in conservative homes, and particularly conservative religious, conservative Christian homes, they're retaining their faith upwards about 70 to 80 percent into adulthood.
	The Amish have been, yeah, it's really neat.
	The Amish have been studied on this.
	Eric Kaufman of the University of London, across the pond, of course, and the UK system that both Seb and I have benefited from.
	Eric Hoffman has documented how Amish, the rate of retention among Amish, because they go through a rumspringa, they actually get to choose whether or not... They get to test the wide, wide world and then make a decision.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And so about 30 years ago, it was 70% retention.
	Their retention rates have been going up.
	The more secular and insane the world gets, the more Amish kids are staying.
	It's about 85% now, according to Kauffman's statistics.
	But he sees similar things in conservative families in general, around 70-80%.
	I've kind of seen it in my teaching career over 20 years.
	That's a full generation.
	I've been able to see the young people that I've taught over that time, and I would say the vast majority of them keep their conservatism into adulthood.
	So the good news is that liberals have adopted what's called lifestyle values.
	And lifestyle values, when all is said and done, Separate sex from procreation.
	I mean, this is largely through modern contraception and the like.
	Right or wrong, good or bad is irrelevant.
	All we have to know is that liberal lifestyle values necessitate the freedom not to reproduce.
	And they are fulfilling that freedom in spades.
	We have a number of studies that confirm the fertility differentials between what we just saw, right?
	Versus the religious conservatives.
	We have it between conservatives and liberals, and we have it between atheists and religious.
	And the fertility differential could not be more night and day.
	Basically, for every one child, a hardcore liberal is having, and they don't have the 2.1 replacement level.
	It's imploded too since COVID.
	They've gone down to below 1%.
	This is what I wanted to say in church on Sunday.
	My oh my.
	It was like a lot of COVID babies as far as I'm concerned.
	A lot of newborn babies wailing in church.
	So I think it's like the baby boom generation just for different reasons.
	And the guys who locked us down where we're going to have our revenge on those people when those babies end up being conservatives.
	All right, one last question for you, Dr. Turley, Steve, my friend.
	So, there was a... was it Deneen?
	There was somebody who wrote recently a book about how it's done, they've won for the time being, we have to escape into the wilderness like monastic communities and just...
	Yeah, Rod Dreher.
	Dreher.
	Sorry, not Deneen.
	He's Dreher.
	Right, right.
	The Benedict option.
	The Benedict option.
	And I think he's reneged on that.
	I think he's back at it.
	He has.
	He's gone back to your old stomping grounds.
	He's in Hungary now.
	Right, right.
	I'm not surprised.
	So this idea that we remove ourselves from this fallen earth never made sense to me.
	So you've got three million people listening right now.
	And watching, plus all those others as well.
	What is your message to them as to why you do what you do, and why it's all the more important to tie your values to the mast?
	Otherwise, what's the point, Steve?
	Absolutely.
	Oh, that's so beautifully put.
	Yes, our values and our vocation, right?
	Yeah.
	Well, I get it.
	It's why I take a lot of inspiration from you, Dr. Seb.
	I mean, when you look at Eastern Europe, You look at Soviet Czechoslovakia back in the day.
	And you saw people like Václav Havel and Václav Benda and your father and all these people who could have given up.
	They could have been totally blackpilled.
	They could have despaired.
	They could have just, you know, hunkered in.
	One of the most depressing documentaries I ever saw on the Soviet Union was filmed in the late 70s.
	And it was asking some babushka woman, you know, who was just doing some housework, I think it was a BBC crew, and they asked her, do you hope, do you ever dream?
	And she just kind of burst out sort of laughing, half-hearted laughing, and said, of course not.
	Why would I do that?
	And it can feel so overwhelming at times, no question, because liberalism by its nature hates what we love.
	But you look at people like Václav Havel, Václav Bender, and Alexander Solzhenitsyn, and what they recognized is we have truth on our side.
	And what did Solzhenitsyn say?
	One word of truth outweighs the world.
	And as long as we stand up for truth, Or like, you take a look at someone like Václav Havel, as long as you stand up for truth in building what they called parallel societies back then, parallel polis, very much like what we're doing today, with our parallel media and so forth, you stand up for that, eventually that truth will bring down the false world.
	Within 20 years of saying that, Václav Havel became the president Yes.
	the Czech Republic.
	Exactly.
	And just to be very blunt, you know, that's what we have to be.
	If you don't choose that, guess what?
	You're not on the side of truth.
	It's that simple.
	So put your values to the test and never censor yourself and cleave to the truth.
	Keep doing what you do.
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