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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Biden's BDSM freak released without bail

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	�� Sir, Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, there has been criticism.
	Did you overreact?
	Did you overreact?
	Mr. President, there has been criticism that this was an overreaction that was done because of political pressure.
	You can come to my office and ask the question.
	We have more polite people.
	Mr. President, why have you chosen Poland for your trip to mark anniversary of the war?
	And what's your message?
	What?
	Why are you speaking to President Xi, Mr. President?
	That was about 30 minutes ago, dear friends.
	If you can't see the visuals, the man who bears the title Commander-in-Chief gave a press conference about the three UFOs that were shot down by NORAD, by U.S.
	military, took no questions.
	He grinned weirdly at the end when a Polish reporter asked a question, and when... Who was the first?
	Was that John Carl?
	Who was that, Jeff?
	No, that's Peter Alexander, who's NBC.
	NBC, who asked him actually a quite journalistic question.
	Was the reaction overreaction because of embarrassment?
	And then Biden said, you can ask me that in my office when there are less rude people.
	Did he just, Jeff, did he just insult the whole White House press corps?
	I know.
	And the guy that asked him, like I said, he's that NBC reporter.
	He's like a lawyer for the Biden administration, the way he defends him so much.
	Not a good press conference and utter failure.
	Good way to start the show, though.
	This is America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, on the Salem News Channel, broadcasting across the nation to more than three million listeners.
	And of course, on the Salem News Channel TV, where if you've got Roku, if you've got any one of those OTT devices, you can watch the show as well, because it's fun, because we've got video clips like that.
	We have an amazing lineup for you today.
	We've got Miranda Devine.
	The woman who helped break the original Hunter Biden laptop story for the New York Post will be with us.
	Breitbart's Matt Boyle.
	Jessie Jane Duff.
	Yes, Gunnery Sergeant Duff will be with us.
	Chris Poskirk of American Greatness.
	And then the one-on-one.
	And we're going to get to some very special stories about what President Trump is really like.
	Yeah, with Stephen Moore, the man who wrote Trumponomics.
	But first things first, let's...
	Let's have some more fun.
	There's a guy.
	What was it, Eric?
	You lasted much, much longer than him in the Trump administration.
	Scaramucci was what?
	Nine days?
	Ten days?
	Ten days.
	Whereas I can boast that I lasted two weeks.
	Yeah, but then you realized that working for me is much better.
	Oh, of course.
	Infinitely more fun.
	What did we say, Jeff, when he dared to leave us for the Trump administration?
	What did we say behind his back?
	What did we say about Eric?
	First of all, I had to fill in for him.
	It was longer than two weeks.
	I think it was closer to a month, but carry on.
	Yes.
	We say great things about him.
	No, no, no.
	About him coming back very soon, right?
	Yeah, he'll be called a little Scaramucci.
	Well, that doesn't work because he outlasted the Mooch.
	I totally forgot about the Mooch.
	Eric, did you forget about the Mooch?
	I forgot that the Mooch existed.
	He's one of those guys that, yeah, I totally forget he exists, but every time I'm reminded of his existence, I get a little grin on my face.
	But it's like Amorosa.
	Where's Amorosa?
	I mean, do you remember Amorosa left and said, I've got the tapes.
	President Trump is a racist.
	I've got the audio tapes.
	That was what?
	That was what?
	Like four years ago?
	I think so, and reminder, there's a reason she was widely considered a villain when she was on The Apprentice.
	Yeah, and the other reason that she was considered a weird is whenever she saw me in the White House, I'm not joking.
	You can ask witnesses.
	Ask Boris next time on the show.
	Whenever she saw me, it would be creepy because she didn't do any work, so she'd like hang around the Navy mess drinking cappuccinos.
	Whenever she saw me going from one office to the other, going to the Oval, going to see Steve, she'd literally shout across the West Wing, Gawker!
	Like that.
	It's just creepy.
	Amorosa, why are you so creepy and where are the audio tapes?
	All right, let's have a little blast from the past.
	Allegedly, The Mooch has a podcast that he and his grandmother listen to.
	And he invited Fredo.
	Jeff, that's like a loser's convention.
	The Mooch with Fredo on a podcast.
	And it's so fitting, too, what they end up talking about.
	Well, what do they talk about?
	They talk about the fact that Fredo is on the cusp of being a mass murderer.
	Yeah, he wants to kill everyone!
	Here's Fredo.
	Don't call him Fredo.
	Sorry, his name is what?
	Chris?
	Is it Chris Cuomo?
	Or is that the brother?
	No, Randy.
	Randy Andy is the governor.
	And then we've got Chris, who's called Fredo.
	Don't call him Fredo.
	Here's Fredo on the Mooches podcast, audience of three.
	I had to accept because I was going to kill everybody, including myself.
	Things can consume you.
	Italians are so passionate.
	And I really had to fight against that because, you know, just like you did, I got too many people counting on me.
	Just think you got too many people counting on me.
	What is he saying?
	Auditioning for the budget-priced Godfather?
	What is that?
	I was going to kill everybody.
	Has nothing to do with steroids, right?
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	No.
	No.
	There's no Roid abuse.
	We deny those allegations.
	Absolutely out of the question.
	Oh, by the way, breaking news.
	Let's put this up.
	Just received this from Jeff and Salem also has texted me this.
	Fox 29, Philadelphia.
	Why does it sound like Philadelphia?
	Weird.
	Senator John Fetterman.
	That just sounds so weird.
	Senator John Fetterman checks into hospital, cites clinical depression.
	What, did he just realize that he's a Democrat?
	I mean, seriously, who could have predicted this?
	When was the Senate sworn in?
	What was it, January what?
	It was like a month and a half ago that they'd been sworn in.
	Less!
	Less!
	Like six weeks ago, five weeks ago.
	And John Fetterman is in hospital.
	I wish you a speedy recovery, but seriously, did nobody see this coming?
	Did your wife not see this coming?
	Your campaign manager not see?
	How about your doctor?
	Did he not advise you that maybe running for the Senate was unwise?
	Okay, let's talk about serious things.
	Let's talk about the all-out assault on the children.
	There's a man called Richard Levine who has A psychosis.
	He wears a skirt to work, he wears an Admiral's uniform, and he calls himself Rachel.
	Yeah, he calls himself Rachel.
	And this is what he just said about you and your relationship to your children and secrecy of the transgender extremists.
	Play cut.
	You know, studies show that one supportive adult, one supportive adult for an LGBTQI plus kid can make all the difference in terms of preventing suicide, in terms of them being able to navigate the world and to adulthood and leading a happy, successful, productive life.
	One supportive adult.
	I'd love it if that was always the parent, but it's not always a parent.
	Frequently, it's a teacher, or a guidance counselor, or a coach, or another school personnel.
	This law forbids kids, essentially, from talking to these people.
	Also, it means that if you tell a teacher, the teacher has to tell the parent.
	It really is a gag rule.
	It's a gag law to prevent kids from accessing supportive adults.
	You're not very convincing as a woman, I'll say that for you.
	Not the get-up, not the voice, none of it.
	It's not a gag law, you evil, evil man.
	It says that a teacher can't talk about sex with a minor.
	Why would you want a teacher to talk about sex with a child, you pervert?
	And the fact, you're shocked?
	You're shocked that if a child is discussing gender issues, is confused because, probably because of the teacher and TikTok, that you have to tell the parent.
	Why would you be shocked that the school has to tell the parent about the mental state of the child unless you want to rip them away from their family unit, indoctrinate them, and mutilate them with hormones and surgery?
	You're sick, Richard Levine!
	That's a person in government office in a uniform of an admiral and it's not a bloody pantomime.
	We need to stop these people.
	Are you engaged?
	Do you go to the local school board meetings?
	Are you checking what they're doing to your children at school or your grandchildren?
	Get engaged!
	There is nothing more important.
	Forget the rest.
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	Can you play the Le Mans cut?
	Thank you.
	Don Lamont.
	This whole talk about age makes me uncomfortable.
	I think that, I think it's the wrong road to go down.
	She says people, you know, politicians or something are not in their prime.
	Nikki Haley isn't in her prime.
	Sorry.
	When a woman is considered to be in her prime in her 20s and 30s and maybe 40s.
	What are you talking about?
	Wait.
	That's not according to me.
	Prime for what?
	It depends.
	I mean, it's just like prime.
	If you look it up, if you Google, when is a woman in her prime, it'll say 20s, 30s and 40s.
	I don't necessarily agree with that.
	So I think she has to be careful about saying that, you know, politicians aren't in their prime.
	We need to qualify.
	Are you talking about prime for like child-rearing or are you talking about prime for being president?
	Don't shoot the messenger.
	I'm just saying what the facts are.
	Google it.
	Everybody at home.
	When is a woman in her prime?
	It says 20s, 30s, and 40s.
	And I'm just saying Nikki Haley should be careful about saying that politicians are not in their prime and they need to be in their prime when they serve because she wouldn't be in her prime according to Google?
	Google or whatever it is.
	Yeah.
	Can you send that and cut one and cut three right now to Casio?
	Tell them they're urgent.
	Yep.
	Two minutes.
	I'm calling him.
	Oh, and title for that monologue.
	Oh, what's the...
	The Richard Levine stuff was definitely the best.
	Yeah, does that make sense to post it as one video?
	I think it's fine, yeah.
	It's one of those monologues that's multiple things in one segment, but I think it works.
	Summarizing the news of the day.
	Trans Biden official targeting your children.
	Fetterman's dressed like he's clinically depressed for the last six years.
	No, he's depressed because he had to put a suit on.
	Boyle!
	Dr. G, how are you sir?
	I'm good, how are you?
	Where are you that we're not on Comrex?
	What's going on?
	I'm on my way home from South Carolina.
	I just went up to the... Did you get the balloon?
	Breitbart got the balloon.
	You were in a boat and you got it, right?
	I wish, man.
	I wish.
	You scooped Biden.
	You scooped the NSA.
	You scooped the CIA.
	You've got it.
	We probably could do better than the NSA and the CIA.
	Oh my gosh, that piece Christina Wong wrote last week.
	Oh my gosh, about that Biden official.
	Mike, that was like 3,000 words long.
	That was amazing.
	Is that about the Amazon thing?
	Yes!
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That was really great work.
	So yeah, that took us nine months, I want to say, to put that together.
	Hey, Jeff, will you get Christina Wong on to discuss that piece next week?
	Who else should we get on?
	Is it enough to get Christina on, Matt?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I think she's the expert on it, so I would go with her.
	But there were a lot of people that were involved in it.
	Amazing, amazing.
	We'll keep you on one segment and then we'll go to calls and we'll let you go, alright?
	Alright, sounds great.
	Standby.
	Want to come in with anything?
	No, PhD.
	Oh, that's right.
	Oh, come in with two.
	Come in with two.
	Yeah.
	We'll be right back.
	expensive cancer drugs.
	What?
	What did he say?
	Eric, help me out.
	What did Biden just say?
	I think that's what we would call a Freudian slip.
	He says he knows what it's like to have to pay for cancer treatment.
	Play that again.
	I'm a little confused.
	Play that again.
	For example, many of you, unfortunately, like me, know the cost of these expensive cancer drugs.
	Many people like me, unfortunately, know the cost of these cancer drugs.
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	All right.
	We are getting the official announcements.
	Bolton said it on a British TV show, really weird.
	Nikki Haley teased, and then she announced.
	And then yesterday, DeSantis, Joe, wouldn't you like to know?
	That's what he said about his throwing his hat into the ring.
	How many contenders?
	I know one man who will be riding it up every single day, getting us the scoops for Bright Butt.
	He's their Washington bureau chief, Matt Boyle.
	Happy Thursday.
	Dr. G, great to be here, as always.
	So, are you excited that it's starting to hot up?
	We're starting to get the candidates come out of the closet?
	Yeah, look, I think this is a really healthy thing for the party.
	I also think that a crowded field very much helps President Trump.
	There's no doubt about that, right?
	But it's just good for our side, isn't it, to have a big debate?
	Yeah, I think we should have a debate.
	We should have it out on the issues, right?
	Like, I think it's great, no matter who wins.
	And I do think that President Trump is the odds-on favorite.
	But, regardless of that, I think it's healthy, and it's good, and it's solid for us to talk about all these issues, right?
	So, for instance, Nikki Haley in her announcement speech yesterday, and then I interviewed her afterwards, we talked about immigration.
	We talked about China.
	We'll have some big stories on that coming in the next little bit.
	But the big thing that she, and she was talking about this in her speech, and we talked about it in the interview afterwards, She's really zoning in on E-Verify.
	I think that's a healthy thing for the party.
	Whatever you think about Nikki Haley, whatever you think about President Trump or Governor DeSantis or whatever, it doesn't matter.
	I think it's good to be talking about these issues and talking about the benefits of things like E-Verify, talking about standing up to the Chinese Communist Party.
	So having a robust Republican primary is going to allow us to do that and give us a vehicle and a platform through which to drive these issue discussions.
	And that's a good thing.
	That's a healthy thing.
	And, you know, may the best one win in the end.
	And as Mitt Romney says, I think it's the first thing I've agreed with him on in over 10 years, that he fears very much that President Trump is going to win because of a Republican, crowded Republican primary.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Mitton said that, that he's afraid?
	I think it was NBC News, yes.
	Poor, poor Pierre Delecto.
	Will you find that for me, Jeff?
	I need that.
	Alright, you've been talking to Ambassador Haley.
	Let's hear from Ambassador Haley.
	She was giving an interview with NBC.
	Couple weeks ago, you called your former boss, you asked for his blessing to run, and he said that you called him the greatest president If that's true, then why run against him?
	I'm going to keep that phone call personal.
	I didn't ask.
	I told that I thought that we needed to go in a new direction.
	But when I first said I wouldn't run against him, Afghanistan hadn't fallen.
	We didn't see the rise in inflation like we've seen.
	We didn't see what was happening in our schools the way it was.
	And we didn't see the results of the midterms that we just had.
	It is time for a new generation of leaders.
	You shouldn't have to be 80 years old to get to Washington.
	And we've got to start riding the ship.
	We need new blood.
	I'm a bit confused.
	Help me out, Matt, because you are the man who understands D.C.
	and the political world the best.
	Why is she saying that the promise not to run against President Trump that she gave publicly in 2021 doesn't apply now because of the disaster in Afghanistan created by Biden and the inflation created by Biden?
	I'm a bit confused.
	What have those got to do with President Trump?
	The third part of that answer, too, about the midterms, I mean, I could see that maybe because, like, you know, you had Trump out there backing a ton of candidates, and the midterms didn't go as great for Republicans.
	Yeah, if you don't want to blame Mitch McConnell.
	Right, that might be the best answer of the whole answer.
	By the way, I asked her a very similar question, and she gave a very similar answer to me.
	Um, I think it's pretty clear she's on her talking point with regard to that.
	Um, but again, my view on the whole thing is the more the merrier.
	Welcome to the field.
	Everybody should run.
	Everybody should talk about the issues and then we'll see how it all shakes out.
	Right?
	Like, and again, with the, the, the, the point that, uh, that Mitt Romney even is worried that, that a crowded field needs president Trump again.
	So, um, But I do think that it's healthy to have the issue discussion.
	So if she wants to go out there and talk about it, then great.
	All right, we had this discussion with our buddy Kurt Schlichter yesterday.
	He's written a scathing piece about Hayley for today's town hall.
	He calls her a rhino in high heels.
	I think she doesn't have, you know, maybe a 2% chance in the primaries.
	Some people have said she's just angling for the veep slot.
	What do you think about that theory?
	Maybe.
	Maybe that's what's going on.
	I also think that, again, it's healthy to have these issue discussions.
	I agree with that, but there's no way she's going to win.
	Look, she's got a really long shot here, right?
	I mean, the odds-on favorite is President Trump.
	If he doesn't get it, The next best favorite is Governor DeSantis, and then there's, you know, pick your litter of, you know, any of these other Republicans considering running that probably have a better shot.
	But like, look, at the end of the day, there were about 2,000 people there yesterday at this thing, and I don't think that they were necessarily there because they like Nikki Haley.
	I think that they're there because they want to see a change in the White House, and they want to show energy in the 2024 Race and discussion, and I think that that's a good thing.
	That's a healthy thing.
	So hopefully more people, you know, we get... Look, the Democrats are doing their darndest to get rid of the primaries in Iowa and New Hampshire, the caucuses in Iowa, the primaries in New Hampshire.
	The Republicans have this open debate, and it's a good thing, and it's a healthy thing.
	So hopefully it leads to better discussion on the issues, it leads to more energy on the right, and then whoever wins the nomination in the end, whether it's President Trump or one of these other ones, that That energy carries over into a general election, because that's how a Republican wins the White House.
	The more the merrier.
	I want to go back to 2015.
	That was when politics was fun again.
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	Title for Boyle.
	All right.
	Give me a hand here.
	Something like Nikki Haley?
	- Yeah. - Something about the age comment.
	It's got to be something about her harping on the age.
	No, because we didn't discuss that.
	It was in the clip she played.
	I know, but we didn't discuss it.
	A crowded field's good.
	Oh, oh, um... Trump, the, the rest, colon, a crowded field is good.
	Romney, I just found, he told NBC News, but there's no audio of it or anything.
	Oh, okay.
	Scratch that thing with Wong.
	That story is so complicated, it's not gonna make for good radio.
	Alright.
	You didn't reach out, right?
	No, no.
	Okay.
	By the way, that must be the new talking point, because Bolton said the same thing.
	Said what?
	Old people?
	The crowd, it feels, is gonna be good for Trump.
	Yeah.
	It's true!
	And I just read the whole thing, it should be a two-man match, Romney was saying.
	That's just saying that nobody else should get in, so it's just DeSantis.
	Oh, yes!
	Bingo!
	That's really good.
	You're gonna have to say that on there, alright?
	That's always... yeah, they're definitely... By the way, Five's got a really good point about the Slovene Cup.
	Yeah, we'll go to him.
	Oh, by the way, by the way, way, I want to take this time here.
	We had a couple of super chats on Rumble.
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	John San Diego wants to react to my monologue.
	Hi, Sebastian.
	Okay, this guy, this guy, Rachel claims... Richard, Richard Levine.
	Thank you very much.
	He's a man.
	Yeah.
	If he, if he, he says, if, if you don't encourage these children, have fun, you know, find some adult to encourage them, they're going to kill themselves.
	Well, when the schools refuse to tell the parents what these kids are planning, they've just Bingo.
	Not to mention the fact that of those who quote-unquote transition, which is technically impossible, more than 40% of them, John, more than 40% of them consider and attempt suicide.
	If there's any if there's any blame to go.
	Not to mention the fact that of those who, quote unquote, transition, which is technically impossible.
	More than 40 percent of them, John, more than 40 percent of them consider and attempt suicide.
	So what he says, what Richard Levine is saying is an out and out lie.
	Of course it is.
	The suicide attempt rates...
	Multiply after the so-called butchering.
	called butchering.
	Yeah, you nailed it.
	Thank you, John.
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	Let's go to Victor, our buddy in Silver Spring.
	Hey, Victor.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	Hey.
	Since Biden and Boot Edge Edge have no interest in the least to go to East Palestine, Ohio, to support the people there, maybe Donald Trump could go there to support the people there, maybe Donald Trump could go there and have a Yeah.
	Yep.
	No, it's a great point.
	How strange is it?
	Forget Greta Thunberg.
	How come Boot-Edge Edge hasn't even gone there?
	I thought they cared about the environment, Victor.
	They don't.
	And because the people there, 70% of them voted for Trump, they could care less.
	Bingo.
	You nailed it.
	You nailed it.
	Thank you, buddy.
	Let's go to Antoinette.
	Hey, it's Thursday!
	Hey, you're talking through a sock.
	I can't hear you.
	Can you hear me now?
	Yes.
	Okay, sorry.
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	This morning at the Planned Parenthood in Santa Ana, It was great.
	There were some more younger guys are going in there.
	So this thing of protecting the children, the abortions, we're also doing our best to stop the mutilation of the children.
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	She's a columnist for the amazing newspaper, the oldest in America, the New York Post and Fox contributor, Miranda Devine.
	It's been too long.
	Hi, Sebastian.
	Great to be with you.
	All right, so I want to tell in front of three million people right now, I told you in the break, I think your number one fan outside of this studio may be our regular Tuesday guest, Lord Conrad Black, who on this show sang the praises of this amazing journalist called Miranda Devine.
	Have you ever met Lord Black?
	Look, I haven't, but I did work for him once upon a time when he owned the Sydney Morning Herald for a few years when I was there, and I've always admired him from afar.
	I love his columns, so it's a mutual admiration society.
	All right, well we will connect you guys so that you can maybe share a cappuccino sometime.
	Let's get down to work.
	So first things first, the Biden laptop from hell.
	Let's connect it to the events concerning China recently.
	Surveillance, balloons and everything else.
	Here's a little reminder of one of the audio clips from Hunter Biden's laptop and his connections to China.
	Play cut.
	I have another New York Times reporter calling about my representation of the Literally, Dr. Patrick Koh, the f****** spy chief of China, who started the company that my partner, who was worth $323 billion, founded, and is now missing.
	The richest man in the world is missing, who was my partner.
	He was missing since I last saw him in his $58 million apartment and signed a $4 billion deal to build the largest LNG port in the world.
	This is the son of the president boasting about being in business with China, communist China's biggest effing spy chief.
	However, we have a new permutation.
	What is the connection between the president's son and disgraced FBI agent McGonigal, please, Miranda?
	Well, Sebastian, there are a number of sort of curious links.
	I don't know what they mean or if they're deeper than I can find, but just talking to some of Hunter's former business partners and also just going through the laptop on the millionth iteration looking for any evidence of FBI and McGonagall. but just talking to some of Hunter's former business partners There are some links.
	Charles McGonagall, of course, the former chief of counterintelligence for the FBI's New York field office, he was moved down there.
	Curiously, from the notorious Washington field office where he was a top spy hunter.
	He was moved to New York one month before the 2016 election.
	Now, I don't know why, but he was certainly a protege of James Comey, the now disgraced FBI boss.
	And it was known at the time that the New York field office was causing problems because they were threatening, so we're told by Democrats, they were threatening to kind of leak details about the Hillary Clinton emails fiasco and
	Also, eventually the wiener... Right, so some decent FBI agents were fed up with the suppression of those stories and they were going to leak them out of New York just to do the right thing.
	That's right.
	And so my hunch is that Comey sent his boy McGonigal down to New York, or up to New York, to clean things up.
	So the counterintelligence mission wasn't to, you know, catch North Korean spies, it's to suppress FBI agents who wanted to tell the truth.
	Well, I think that's a good guess.
	And additionally, we know that McGonigal was instrumental in the opening of that original crossfire hurricane case when he was in Washington, D.C.
	against Donald Trump, which launched the whole Russia collusion, Mueller probe.
	He was part of that.
	We assume, since he was, you know, a high level, he was head of cyber counterintelligence in Washington and head of overall counterintelligence in New York, that he would have had something to do with the notorious James Baker, the chief counsel then of the FBI, parachuted into Twitter five months before the chief counsel then of the FBI, parachuted into Twitter five months before the 2020 election, instrumental in suppressing our story about the But apart from that, McGonigal has been, there are two indictments, I don't know why they're separate,
	but he's been charged with taking secret cash payments from a former Albanian intelligence officer and having secret meetings with the current socialist prime minister of Albania.
	And separately he's charged with trying to remove US sanctions from a Kremlin oligarch, Oleg Deripaska, who also appears on the laptop connected to Hunter.
	Hunter tried to make money out of some intelligence that he had on Deripaska and other Russian oligarchs.
	And now McGonagall, one of these Albanians who was connected to McGonagall, turns out to be on the laptop.
	He's a very well-connected Albanian called Dorian Duka, or Duka, and he was an advisor to that Socialist Prime Minister, Eddie Rama, but he also worked for the Chinese energy company, CESC, which remember, Hunter and Jim Biden got millions of dollars from them.
	It's hooked into the Belt and Road Initiative.
	It's President Xi's baby.
	Hunter got a beautiful diamond, three and a half carat diamond, from the chairman, Chairman Yijing Ming, the chairman of CFC, who's now disappeared.
	And We also know that Hunter had some nice FBI connections.
	We're out of time.
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	So McGonagall is connected to the Chinese Energy Company as well.
	Through one of these Albanian contacts, and he was going backwards and forwards to Albania all the time as an FBI agent and after he left.
	And, you know, his ex-mistress has said that there were bags of cash at his house, and the indictment talks about a $225,000 cash payment from one of these Albanians.
	So McGonigal, what I'm told by an Albanian contact, is that McGonigal was very well connected with that Socialist Party, and he basically was a gun for hire, allegedly, you know, opening up FBI investigations on We've only got 30 seconds left, but how does a senior FBI guy go abroad multiple times without the FBI finding out?
	an FBI investigation is very damaging to anybody who wants to do business in the United States.
	We've only got 30 seconds left, but how does a senior FBI guy go abroad multiple times without the FBI finding out?
	It just blows my mind.
	Well, that was his job.
	You know, the FBI's third largest office in the world is in Albania, because it's an ARCO state, and supposedly the FBI is supposed to be doing good work over there.
	Looks like McGonigal was making money on the side, and he certainly was working there afterwards, and it seems like his work for Deripaska was as a result of his work for the Albanians.
	It was sort of his proof of concept.
	We have to get you back.
	That was far too short.
	And I'm going to connect you with Conrad.
	But thanks for everything today, Miranda.
	Terrific.
	Great to talk to you.
	Thanks.
	Thanks, man.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye.
	Constitution, America first.
	That Miranda, does she know her stuff?
	As soon as you go down one rabbit trail, you go down another one and like on and on and on.
	We have to get her back for another discussion.
	The Laptop from Hell is the book.
	Follow her at Miranda Divine.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Where did that first hour go?
	Let's go to David, California.
	Happy Thursday.
	Oh, thanks for taking my call, Sebastian.
	I'd like to preference what I'm going to say about Mike Pence.
	I am 81.
	I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior when I was in my 20s.
	I did not have a conscience.
	I lived a different kind of a life until Christ saved me.
	I watched Mike Pence this morning on Fox News sharpen his political sword with pages from the Bible to stab Donald Trump.
	And you know, it takes everything I have to live within the framework of what God saved me for, because Christ died for me.
	What bothers me is this man is willing to say anything bad about Trump.
	What, two, three weeks ago, Mike Pence's house is searched by the FBI, and Donald Trump's response was, He's an honest man.
	He's never done anything wrong.
	Please leave him alone.
	I watched it myself in the studio here.
	They kept him on for at least half an hour and it was reprehensible.
	I'm very disappointed in you, Mike Pence.
	I completely concur.
	Thank you, David.
	Let's go to the ladies, Judy and Brooklyn.
	Has she changed her mind about President Trump?
	Have you, Judy?
	I love your accent, your British accent.
	No, no, don't flatter me!
	Are you on the Trump train anymore?
	Hang on, hang on!
	No!
	You are a naughty boy, okay?
	Well, you're a naughtier girl!
	No, I'm not.
	I am a big Trump supporter.
	You know it.
	Let me tell you something.
	If that's what you got.
	And by the way, you have the mute button so you didn't even let me say what I want to hear the last word.
	I never said I want Trump to change.
	I'm protecting Trump because I know that there are people that like DeSantos.
	He can go.
	Let me tell you.
	All right.
	He's the kind of guy Trump is when you attack him first, he attacks you back.
	That's fine.
	Or exception.
	He can attack Bolton.
	He can attack Chris.
	But it comes to DeSantos.
	That is something that I'm hearing.
	A lot of people love DeSantos.
	And it's not in Trump's best interest to start up with him before DeSantos first.
	Jeff, no, you're not.
	You haven't convinced me.
	Jeff, you had a very interesting thing you said about DeSantis.
	What is it that the president has to do to have the correct approach?
	For, what do you mean?
	Like, you don't bash him just for the sake of bashing him.
	He's got to make him out to be a politician, because for some reason everybody likes him.
	They think that he's Trump.
	They think that he's MAGA, but he's fake MAGA.
	Judy, he's a politician.
	That's what the president has to point out.
	I have, I have, I have a very good formula and you have to listen to me for one second.
	You've got 30 seconds and then I'm up against the break.
	The news.
	Go.
	Listen, the best thing, the best thing that's going to be the biggest ticket, winning ticket is Trump president and DeSantis vice president.
	Hear me out.
	I said that!
	I said that like six months ago, Judy.
	You're stealing my thunder.
	Wait a minute, but Trump will be anyway in the White House for four years.
	He could move out of there and decide to be Vice President.
	It's going to be the winner.
	This will be the ticket.
	Judy's not listening to my show.
	I said that about five months ago.
	Yes, if he's smart.
	If he's smart, Ron, that's what you do.
	Thanks, Judy.
	Thank you.
	America First starts right now on Salem News Channel.
	Well, it took him long enough, Biden gave a little announcement today about the UFOs.
	Were you convinced?
	Maybe we should ask his son, Hunter, now that we have a new story connecting Hunter Biden to that disgraced FBI agent McGonigal.
	And then we have, of course, Michael Steele.
	He has gone off the deep end.
	We'll share with you the latest here on America First on the Salem News Channel, hour two.
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	Enforcer Mole.
	Yeah, we saw.
	Yeah, he missed it.
	He got a great deal.
	And Hunter Biden.
	Inside the NYFBI.
	Yeah.
	The NYFBI.
	Inside the NYFBI.
	That's it.
	Okay, he's on.
	Two minutes.
	Mr. Buzzkirk!
	How are you?
	Good.
	Are you in another location?
	That doesn't look like your living room.
	Mic's are on.
	It is an office.
	I've got it blurred.
	It's an office here at the house that's under construction, but I've got two areas of construction.
	The dogs are going crazy and I didn't think you wanted them to be part of this discussion.
	Are they cute dogs?
	Of course they are.
	It's an English Mastiff and a Golden Retriever.
	English Mastiff?
	What is that?
	Let me have a look.
	They are fantastic dogs.
	Oh my gosh!
	Look at that dog!
	That's hilarious!
	Is that like 150 pounds?
	What is that?
	So George, he's our third English Mastiff by the way.
	George is about 185.
	He's a big boy.
	Is that muscle or fat?
	It's muscle.
	He's ridiculously strong.
	Wow, that is so cool.
	So cool.
	I'm going to have to put a photograph on the screen of that.
	Let's put a photograph of an English Mastiff.
	English Mastiff.
	And what's his name?
	George.
	George!
	What color is he, brown?
	They call it fawn.
	It's that browny, tanny type of color.
	So cool.
	He's terrified of our cleaning lady, by the way.
	That's too good.
	All right.
	I love that song.
	All right.
	Eric, I'm sending you a picture of George.
	Yes.
	Hopefully the res will be good.
	How are you doing, buddy?
	I'm doing well.
	How about yourself?
	Good.
	Super busy.
	Super busy.
	Sure.
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	You don't want to miss it.
	But right now, we have to go to the man who himself embodies American greatness.
	That's why he is the publisher.
	Of a website that is called American Greatness.
	Chris Buskirk, it's been too long, welcome back.
	Well, thanks for having me.
	All right.
	Are you ready to have some fun?
	Shall we have some fun?
	Of course!
	Actually, let's talk about first the balloon thing.
	I wrote a piece for Substack yesterday or the day before.
	It's my take.
	It's the best stuff I've gleaned from people like Gordon Chang.
	But give me your take from this perspective of American greatness of the last 10 days in geopolitics.
	It's just, it's like, it's so crazy.
	So we've got the, we've got the Chinese spy balloon, right?
	We'll allow this thing to penetrate our borders, fly across the whole country, take all of its pictures, transmit all of its data.
	And then only after it becomes public, does the Biden administration do anything about it.
	They take some criticism for it.
	Deserved criticism, by the way.
	Um, God only knows what would have happened if it had flown into Ukraine.
	We would have had to, like, send the 82nd airborne.
	No, no, no.
	It would have been nuclear war.
	It would have been Armageddon.
	Right.
	Oh, exactly.
	Um, so that happens.
	You know, they take this criticism for it, and then they're like, I said to a friend over the weekend when they started shooting these other things down, I said, like, do you know what the chances are that they're just shooting random things down right now because they feel like they had a bad news cycle?
	Like someplace in the West Wing, a meeting took place and they said, we got to get ahead of the shooting down of random things news cycle.
	And so they're like, OK, scramble the Air Force.
	And I love it that when they were doing.
	The guy in charge, the guy in charge, after they shoot down three of them, he lands at the NATO summit on Monday and he's off the plane and he gives this press briefing where he said, and we will tell you what they are and where they came from and their purpose when we find out.
	So they shot him down without knowing whose they were, what they were, and why they were in our airspace.
	That's not very reassuring, Chris.
	No, no, it's not.
	There's actually a pretty funny meme I saw online yesterday.
	There's a guy in a full body cast laying in traction.
	He says, so there I was just minding my own business in my privately owned hot air balloon.
	It's like, I mean, it's just like they're just out of control.
	And it's like, it's this weird, like, you know, cognitive dissonance between Washington, D.C.
	and the White House and the actual reality.
	It's like everything is sort of experienced through the news cycle.
	And so I don't, oh gosh, this didn't work out.
	We got, they got mad at us for not shooting enough stuff down.
	Just start shooting things down, I don't care what!
	And this, at the same time, I did a monologue on this yesterday, at the same time we're supposed to believe, Seymour Hersh, the guy who's been lying about, you know, national security since the My Lai quote-unquote massacre, is trying to pitch us that the same band of incompetents who are just saying, Hey, shoot something out of the sky!
	Just do it now!
	Three months before it occurred, sent in a super-duper secret James Bond team of naval divers and put a big bomb on the Nord Stream pipeline and just waited for the perfect moment to blow it up.
	Which is it?
	Are they stupid, incompetent, or are they all James Bond?
	I'm a little confused, Chris.
	It just depends on the day because you'll get you know, and you'll get you'll get both versions of it from the exact same person, right?
	It's like, oh my gosh, like it's sort of like, you know, Putin is fixing all the American elections and he's about to march on London.
	Also, he's incompetent and about to die.
	It's just like, well, don't forget, don't forget, don't forget bin Laden.
	I don't care what it is, just pick one.
	Don't forget, Bin Laden was on dialysis for 10 years before we found him, right?
	Right, so let's have some fun now.
	It's official.
	John Bolton, a month ago on British TV, that's weird, said he's running for the president.
	Nikki Haley made it official yesterday.
	Sununu's playing footsie under the table with donors.
	I don't know.
	But it's okay.
	Presidential historian John Mitchum had this to say about the person we really need to defeat, President Trump.
	Cut three.
	Whether it's the former governor of South Carolina or the former Secretary of State, whoever it is, I think the person who's going to break through here has to break through for the country, which might kill you in the party.
	Right?
	You need a Mitt Romney.
	Yeah.
	As opposed to one of these sort of sub-Trumps.
	And you wouldn't get that.
	But if we want this experiment to keep going, we need that.
	I'm not sure what a sub-Trump is, but this presidential biographer, he's got our answer.
	All we need is Mitt Romney.
	I mean, it's obvious, right, Chris?
	I think we just witnessed somebody having a stroke on television.
	I have no idea what he was even talking about.
	If we want the experiment to keep going, we need to have, for the country, words, words, words, Mitt Romney.
	It was like Kamala, wasn't it?
	Except he wasn't cackling.
	Venn diagrams.
	Buses.
	Electricity.
	I like Venn diagrams.
	Okay, let's talk about it a little bit more serious, but that's hilarious.
	We're posting that video online because it's just too good.
	John Mitchum, you're a clown.
	You're almost as bad as Beschloss.
	The Republicans will win the midterms and your children will be executed.
	That's actually what Beschloss said.
	All right, Chris.
	By the way, follow him right now, amgreatness.com, amgreatness.com and at the Chris Buskirk.
	So I'm of the opinion, look, I'm supporting President Trump because I want somebody to come back, finish the work and drain the swamp and just burn it all to the ground in terms of The Deep State.
	But my argument is very simple.
	Why are we wasting time talking about Ron versus Trump and we've got to anoint one of them now?
	I remember when politics was fun, Chris.
	2015 was a riot.
	Let's have 17, 18, 28 people in the primary.
	Let's have 17, 18, 28 people in the primary.
	That's when politics was fun.
	It was a lot of fun in 15 and 16.
	And like capturing that magic again, it's hard.
	I was talking with a friend about this recently.
	That was what was so refreshing to a lot of people in 15 and 16, is Trump was really something different.
	He was having a good time with it.
	This is why you had, like you remember you had this phenomenon in 2016 of the Bernie Sanders primary voter who became a Trump voter.
	Yes!
	Yes.
	There weren't a ton of them.
	It wasn't like there was 20 percent of the population, but it was a meaningful number of people in some states, maybe, you know, like a Michigan or Wisconsin.
	It maybe made a difference.
	And that was something like you got to get back to something where that's possible.
	You know, that was always where Trump was at his best when he was being the tribune of the people where he was like punching up, where he was like sort of taking to the fight, taking the fight to the people that like this sort of corrupt ruling class that everybody knows is against them.
	That was the absolute best version of Trump.
	And that's what made people laugh.
	Yeah, yeah.
	All right, let's talk about something that's strangely not a topic for the media.
	Let's talk about, oh, by the way, if you're looking, if you've watched the show before and you've seen Chris, he's in a different location.
	It's very sneaky.
	He's in an office.
	It's an undisclosed location because his dogs are making noise in his former location.
	And one of them is called George.
	And he looks like this.
	I wasn't familiar with this.
	This is a British Mastiff.
	How heavy is George?
	Chris?
	George is two years old and he weighs in at about 185 pounds and for those of you who care, he is a good boy.
	And does he like to sit on your lap?
	He is a cuddler, yes.
	A hundred and eighty pounds worth of mastiff cuddle, all right.
	Thank you for educating me.
	I grew up with the great Pyreneans and you could actually ride a Pyrenean when I was a little boy.
	All right, let's talk about the left doesn't seem to care about animals or even human beings.
	Why is this massive train disaster in East Palestine?
	Where's Boot Edge Edge?
	Where's Greta Thunberg?
	Where are the Democrats, Chris?
	I'm confused.
	There's so many reasons here why they don't care.
	One of them is it's the wrong people who are affected.
	That is quite obvious.
	We don't care about people in the middle of the country.
	We don't care about working class whites in East Palestine.
	At best, we're sort of ambivalent to them, and at worst, we're overtly hostile to them.
	And they're Trump voters, right?
	It's 70% Trump voting district.
	They're Trump voters.
	They're, like, they're the bads.
	And, like, what they won't say out loud, though I have heard a couple of people on the left say this, you know, very close to saying, well, kind of, oh, now you don't like environmental disasters?
	Well, you had it coming.
	This is your fault anyway.
	Wow.
	I mean, it's quite bad.
	I mean, there's another personal element to this, too, which I think is pretty interesting that somebody pointed out.
	We've only got 30 seconds.
	What is that element, Chris?
	Mike DeWine, the governor of Ohio, has a long-term personal relationship with Biden.
	They've known each other for many years, and maybe that's an element, too, where he doesn't want to make Biden look bad.
	Yeah, I have not been impressed by DeWine's press conferences in the last week at all.
	Alright, that was far too much fun.
	We need to get Chris back more regularly.
	In the meantime, follow him at TheChrisBuskirk at TheChrisBuskirk and the amazing website amgreatness.com Thanks, Chris.
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	back in a moment with your calls it's so true what he said though that like they can Yeah, totally.
	Totally.
	Let's post that.
	Why they don't care about... Do people know it's East Palestine, or do we have to put... I think if you just say Ohio, people will know.
	No, why they don't care about... No, Ohio OH train disaster, colon, why they don't care.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	They don't care.
	Alright.
	Alright.
	Oh, by the way, uh, GuloGulo sent one more $1 donation earlier to say, uh, the use of GuloGulo, it's actually the Latin name for the Wolverine.
	That's where his name comes from.
	Apparently, I looked up on Wikipedia, and that is in fact true.
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	It's Alex, line one.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	So, you had this fantastic discussion with Miranda Devine about the Hunter Biden information.
	And that was difficult to follow, wasn't it, Alex?
	And the amount of stuff she knows... There were so many details and so many facts that she put out there, but she...
	She's always fantastic, and so are you, and I think the two of you get along really well, and you should have her on more often.
	Well, she's a big sci-fi fan.
	She's a big geek like me, so we connect on that as well.
	What would you like to add?
	So, I think that as damning as the Hunter Biden information is, and when it's going to come out from the Republican Congress investigating it, I just don't think it's going to have that much of an effect on the 2024 general election, because first of all, I don't think Joe Biden's going to be the nominee of the Democratic Party, but even if he is,
	Any Democratic voter that's still willing to vote for Joe Biden in a general election, after all these disastrous policies that he put in place and our country being in the ground thanks to him, the Hunter Biden information is not going to make them vote against him.
	You know, if they're willing to go along with him.
	Hang on a second, Alex.
	You have to consider yourself as being different, alright?
	You're not a low information voter.
	You listen to this show.
	You know who Miranda Devine is.
	You know what the laptop from hell story is.
	A lot of people out there Who listen to CNN or might read the New York Times, they have no idea.
	But when it's a congressional hearing, when we find out what's really on the laptop, when potentially they subpoena Hunter Biden himself, it's going to be difficult for everyone to avoid it.
	So you think that some minds couldn't be changed.
	Because remember, there's a shocking statistic about your fellow Americans, Alex.
	Upwards of 28% of Americans decide who to vote for in the last eight days before the election.
	That's where elections are won, in the middle.
	Not with the hardcore left, not with the hardcore right, but that massive swath of the community that decides in the last week, Alex!
	I think that if a Democratic voter is still willing to vote for Joe Biden after all these disasters he's caused, they're not going to change their mind with the Hunter Biden information, even if they know about it a week before the election, because they feel the pain from what Joe Biden has caused in all these disasters.
	So, you know, I think that they would care more about the disasters he's caused because they're feeling it personally than what he's done with Hunter Biden.
	As terrible as it was.
	Here's the challenge for the Democrats, and hopefully they're not listening.
	Look, you're right when it comes to the big cities and the urban voters.
	Who live in the gig economy, work from home, got their Starbucks, got their laptop.
	The party of the left has become the party of the rich elites.
	It's the people living in Boston, in Manhattan, in New York, in LA.
	We're talking about the people who are really hurting economically.
	What is derisively called the flyover states by the Democrats.
	I think those people will vote with their pocketbooks, and if they know what's going on with Hunter Biden, there'll be even more on our side.
	But great call, Alex.
	Stay on the line.
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	Let's go to Jackie, California, line two.
	Hey, Seb, it's so good to talk to you today.
	Now, it's a beautiful day in California.
	I'm in San Diego County, and I'm gardening.
	And when I hear about a great field of candidates like we had, and President Trump running in the previous time, I love it, because I think, like a gardener, we're going to see what is growing, what is vital, what is producing, and we're going to call out anything that's weedy.
	And we have a proven winner in President Trump, and I think he needs to be our candidate, and we need to go with him again, because we had major production, and that's biblical, because we're supposed to inspect the fruit.
	Yep, yep.
	I think it's healthy.
	We should have a competition as many people as we can get on the platform, and then they can duke it out politically and see who the strongest candidate is.
	Thank you, Jackie.
	Let's go to Greg in Arizona, line three.
	Hey, good afternoon, Sebastian.
	Great show.
	If I could, at the end, you're talking about a Pyrenees story for you real quick.
	But my point is, with Trump and all these other people running, VPs, all the other noise, I think Trump should take a magnanimous point of view.
	Say, you know what?
	I couldn't care less who's running.
	Scooby-Doo can run.
	Everybody!
	Scooby-Doo!
	He already did!
	That's Fetterman!
	Come on!
	Thank you.
	Well, I stand corrected.
	So, essentially, he's running.
	That's why he's running.
	That's why he's going to do what he knows he needs to do to fix this place.
	Yeah.
	No, I like it.
	I like it.
	You said you had a story?
	anybody individually and diffuse any conflicts that they want to create between us and go, fine, let them run.
	But here's what I'm doing.
	And you guys know what I can do.
	And Trumpy Trump after that.
	But just that diffusion of I couldn't care less.
	Yeah.
	I don't care.
	Let them all run.
	Let them go.
	I don't care.
	No, I like it.
	I like it.
	You said you had a story.
	Yeah, great parent.
	We just lost our 15-year-old doll face.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Missed the crap out of her.
	But she almost missed.
	Just a hair short of 15 years.
	What kind of dog?
	Great Pyrenees.
	Female.
	Oh no!
	Hang on!
	You had a Great Pyrenees that lived to 15?
	That's unheard of!
	Couple months short, yep.
	We lost her with a cancer lesion or something like that.
	Usually dogs that huge, they last 10, maybe 12 years.
	Oh yeah, no, she was playing with a puppy when she was 13, 12, 13, 14 year old.
	We have a German Shepherd Malinois mix who was a, we called him the terrorist, but he was funny.
	Hang on, hang on, the terrorist?
	Look, Great Pyrenees, they are the most pig-headed, stubborn dogs on the planet.
	You can try and take them somewhere on a walk, but if they don't want to go, they don't want to go.
	What was yours like?
	Exactly the same way.
	But she was angelic, though.
	She would.
	She would lament.
	She would go, OK, fine if you'd be that way.
	And my daughter got one of getting a small little dog that would run and yap at her and do everything else.
	And, you know, she'd be that typical giant dog, look down and go, seriously?
	We're gonna do this.
	Just go away.
	Oh, and one last thing, if I could plug, you're listening to you on Rumble, which, you know, I work my ass off all day.
	I'm a general contractor, so sometimes I can listen, sometimes I don't.
	The beauty of it is I can take a call, and that stops your show, and I pick up right where... I don't miss a beat.
	I love listening to you guys.
	Oh, because it pauses on Rumble.
	It pauses and starts again when you've finished your call, right?
	Exactly, and that's almost as exciting as the back banter you guys let us listen to once in a while when you're talking.
	We sometimes let you behind the scenes.
	We really appreciate that, Greg.
	Thank you so kindly.
	All right, guys, don't go anywhere.
	We'll be back to your calls after our in-studio guest.
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	Norfolk Southern didn't show up because they're scared.
	You all are scared and you need answers about your health, about your homes, about your pets.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	I mean, yeah, that's pretty funny.
	They're scared.
	You know, we've got, we've got communities with, you know, not just the town of East Palestine, surrounding towns over the state line into Pennsylvania.
	I think, I think there's, there's a lot more people scared.
	So it's, as far as pets goes, you just gotta be careful.
	You're hearing something new every hour.
	You know, another pet's getting sick, you know, lethargic, throwing up.
	We had a horse come down ill.
	The animals are suffering.
	The people are suffering.
	It is a huge rail disaster.
	It's one of many rail derailments in just the last few weeks.
	Where's the left?
	Where are the environmentalists?
	Where's Pete Boot-Edge-Edge?
	It's so strange, isn't it?
	They love to go to Davos.
	They love to get on their private jets.
	Don't forget Boot-Edge-Edge getting out of his limousine, out of his SUV, two blocks from his department, to ride his bicycle in front of the cameras.
	That's who they are.
	They're fakes.
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	Jessie Jane Duff, thank you for coming in studio.
	Always exciting to be here, and we have so much to talk about.
	We do.
	Yeah, Joe Biden's in office, so I think there's an endless supply of grievances.
	But help me, where's Pete, Mayor Pete, where's Greta Thunberg, why aren't they in East Palestine?
	Well, you know what's really tragic is just two days ago, Pete Buttigieg had stated that there were too many white construction workers in a conference that he did.
	That's the problem!
	Right.
	And 10th, and this is 10 days after this toxic derailment occurred that had a toxic cloud of over 200 mile radius, was impacting 5 million people.
	And he's talking about how when he goes into these communities, seeing that there are white construction workers and it doesn't represent the communities.
	And this is a problem because people don't feel that they're being included.
	Now that is race baiting.
	Number one.
	Number two, go ahead.
	But also, I'm confused.
	Why does it have to be black construction workers?
	Shouldn't it be women and gay construction workers?
	Why does it have to be heterosexual black and white guys?
	Guys?
	This is why he's focusing on it, because there's suspicion that he'll try to run in 2024, and the first state out of the gate is South Carolina.
	I've heard that.
	I've heard that.
	But let me clarify this.
	Do you believe any of that?
	Yes.
	This little diminutive gay disaster of a transportation secretary.
	Absolutely.
	Because he was bold enough to think that he was successful doing this.
	Now he's doing race baiting and I want to clarify something.
	When you listen to his comments, in theory, it sounds very something that would bring empathy.
	That there's not the jobs being provided to the community and others outside the community are coming in.
	But what he is saying is unequivocally false.
	I've worked in government contracting for years.
	And there are what are called 8A companies.
	Minority, female, and veteran owned companies that get priority.
	He is essentially trying to suggest to the American people that they're so stupid that we're still playing racism when it comes to government contracting and federal funds, which is not the case.
	He's exploiting something to his own advantage to show this empathy to the inner city community, to the minority community, when in fact it's a false narrative.
	But you really think that this person could run?
	Absolutely.
	He thinks he could be the president?
	After Joe Biden, yes.
	I mean, honestly, there are people... The problem we have as conservatives is we are actually looking at things analytically.
	They look at things emotionally.
	Pete Buttigieg is actually a very intelligent man who just does a lot of stupid things.
	He's book smart, but he tries to do things that he thinks look good on camera.
	And in fact, he ends up demonstrating how out of touch he truly is.
	But there's a level of narcissism there.
	Keep in mind, he already ran for president once.
	And he had only been the mayor of a town that had a horrible infrastructure with its transportation.
	And somehow they picked this guy to be the transportation secretary.
	This is an administration that has picked people just so that they look colorful or they present a group that has low representation instead of worrying about getting the job done.
	And didn't he keep saying that in his State of the Union?
	Let's get it done.
	OK, you first, Joe Biden.
	He also said he's going to bring us together.
	He's going to be the great unifier as he stands there just a year later outside Liberty Hall in Pennsylvania labeling half the nation fascists.
	And to the left, it's Alinsky all the way.
	Separate, triangulate and isolate.
	We're talking to Jesse Jane Duff, Ambassador for the America First Policy Institute, Gunnery Sergeant, Marine Corps.
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	Is that in the big report as well?
	And it was a summary of the readiness is all branches of service.
	And the only branch of service to make its recruiting goals was the United States Marine Corps, but I would not hold my breath on that continuing until they reverse some of these policies.
	Because, mind you, many of the people that have had the vaccine are still not being allowed back or getting the back pay.
	Right.
	Which is a tragedy.
	It's an outrage.
	It's a bloody outrage.
	And then, you know, the focus, what service is the army that's coming out and they're giving instruction in the senior staff leadership course where they're having to watch their pronouns.
	And they're disciplining these leaders on their performance reviews on how they utilize their pronouns with he, she, her, hims.
	Chairman versus chairperson.
	Really focusing on that.
	I mean, how are you being graded on this versus your capacity to overwhelm and kill the enemy?
	Eric, what are the Bannon topics?
	I don't think he's sent me yet.
	I'll ask.
	And what time is that here?
	5.15.
	And then what else today?
	Schmidt.
	And do you have a time for Schmidt?
	7.30.
	OK, good.
	11.30.
	Okay, good.
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	We are back with Jesse Jane Duff, formerly co-chair of the Veterans for Trump, former gunnery sergeant in the United States Marine Corps.
	We have had so much opportunity to discuss national security in the last two weeks because of the balloon fiasco.
	It's really depressing when you realize what's happened to our force in the last two years.
	Will you share a little bit because we're going to be talking to Stephen Moore next about what it was like to advise President Trump on economic issues.
	You were part of the outreach activity to veterans.
	Why did you do that?
	And what can you tell us about President Trump's attitude to the serving and to the veteran community?
	Oh, President Trump is an extraordinary individual when it comes to your military and your veteran community.
	There's 22.5 million veterans in this country.
	Wow.
	And a lot of people don't realize that active duty military is one of the most disenfranchised groups from voting.
	And the reason is, is when they go overseas, often their ballots are not followed.
	They do not fill out an absentee ballot because they often are forgotten and lost in the shuffle.
	Whereas if you go into the DMV, the motor voter laws passed by Bill Clinton, anywhere you go, they try to get you back to register to vote.
	So the military often does not have a say in elections.
	You get overseas, your ballot doesn't show up, it's not cast and counted on time, and needless to say, they don't really have a voice in selecting their commander-in-chief unless they are extremely overwhelmingly determined to do such.
	The laws that were passed in 2009 that I helped pass, the Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment Act, has not been enforced.
	The Pentagon does not enforce it, largely because you've changed administration since then, and it gets lost in the shuffle.
	But President Trump, one thing about the veteran community and military community, he takes it very seriously.
	There was a young man that approached him, and Sarah Huckabee talked about this, in Iraq that said, "I reenlisted because of you," and he said, "I'm here because of you," when he went to Iraq.
	And that is the truth of it.
	He really has a lot of, sometimes in some cases, blind faith in the military.
	When we know in the case of General McMaster, who was not a good match, and we know with General Kelly, who sadly was an unfortunate match, generals don't make good politicians and they don't necessarily make good people in the White House.
	But, when it comes to the leadership of the military now, I'm just aghast at how few are standing up and resigning after the debacle we saw in Afghanistan, because that was a catalyst for what we see now.
	The United States Army is teaching their senior level officers and senior staff NCOs that they're being graded on their use of those pronouns.
	Chairperson versus chairman and chairwoman.
	The he's and him's and hers.
	And I'm thinking in my head, how are you wasting any time on this type of criteria when your overwhelming priority should be on combat and readiness?
	All military branches besides the United States Marine Corps miss their recruiting goals.
	And I dare to say the Marine Corps is only because they're probably the most determined and the most fierce to get out there and recruit.
	I was a recruiter for the Marine Corps.
	Oh really?
	Absolutely, and we were the only branch.
	That must be an easy job, to recruit for the Marine Corps.
	The most difficult job you'll ever have.
	Why?
	Everybody loves to, the few, the proud.
	They love us, but they don't want to go through three months of shit to earn the title.
	Excuse me, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that.
	Did you get it?
	Sorry.
	Thank you.
	Sorry, sorry, sorry.
	They don't want to go through the grief of trying to earn the title.
	A lot of people glamorize the title, but it's a difficult title to earn.
	It's a very difficult job, too, because a lot of parents don't want to see their children become a Marine.
	They know that it's going to be the first to fight.
	They know that it's a combat readiness force.
	It is the few, the proud, the trainees is very elite, but also very difficult.
	But despite all that, why are we missing these goals?
	Why?
	Well, you look at what they were doing with the COVID mandates, the vaccines, people that were going on active duty had to get it.
	What's the reality of that?
	Now that we have the Republican House, we've got mandates being struck down, are people being allowed to go back?
	They have not reversed those that were pushed out and forced out and consequently they've lost close to I believe 3,000 members of the military and these are the premier fighting force men and women.
	They're young, they're healthy and yet they were pushed out.
	Now you're not Meeting your recruiting goals, and yet you're depleting your forces over this VAX mandate, which we all know has had numerous questionable reasons why people should not want to take it, despite just religious reasons, but the heart problems, blood clotting, the list goes on and on.
	The military in itself has gotten too focused on gender neutral terms versus combat readiness terms.
	And I dare to say that China and Russia don't care how diverse we are.
	They do not care what pronouns we use.
	Because when you look at the recruiting commercials of the Russian forces versus that of the United States Army that looked like a cartoon character of a Disney princess film with two female moms.
	It's mind-blowing because they've lost their focus.
	They now are trying to become basically a GS force, meaning your federal workforce.
	That's not what the military is.
	The military has a right to discriminate based upon combat readiness needs.
	It's not unconstitutional to deny somebody the right to serve, or it's not even a right.
	The opportunity to serve, if they're overweight, too tall, have any other issues that make them non-deployable.
	But this administration has tried to accommodate people just so they can show this big umbrella, but you're hurting that readiness ultimately.
	Yeah, it's about fighting capacity.
	It's combat effectiveness.
	It's about the ability to win our wars, not about declining the declension of the correct pronouns in some politically correct alternate universe.
	We've been talking to former co-chair of Veterans for Trump.
	She's also a contributor, my colleague at Newsmax.
	You can follow her at JessieJeanDuff and also the America First Policy Institute.
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	Yes.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	We've got a very fun one-on-one for you next.
	You don't want to miss it.
	Stay on this channel.
	But first, a very interesting point that Jeff made about all the people who say, yeah, it's just Ron DeSantis versus Trump.
	Why do they just want two people?
	Sometimes these things are so obvious, but you nailed it.
	What is it, Jeff?
	It's the only chance they have.
	That's the establishment, that if it's just DeSantis versus Trump.
	Right, they don't want anybody else because they want their guy that the billionaires are funding, right?
	And they know that they need every single anti-Trump vote to even have a chance.
	That's why.
	Bingo.
	So obvious.
	Alright.
	Mike's waiting on the line.
	Hold on a second.
	I gotta play this cut before we come in with our one-on-one buddy.
	These are the depths to which the rhinos sink.
	This is the former RNC chair, former Republican Michael Steele, who's talking about you now.
	This is cut for.
	So she can make a very different case from any of the other candidates in how you stand on principle, how you reaffirm constitutional principles post the Civil War, how you reengage the country on matters like race, and which has always been a problem for the Republican Party.
	But you can't go there.
	You can't be in that space.
	You cannot have that conversation if you cannot deal with the racist attributes of a party under Trump, where it's embraced white nationalism, where it thinks that they're fine Nazis and fine Ku Klux Klan members.
	Just human filth.
	Michael Steele is human filth to say that.
	They've embraced Nazis and the KKK.
	The KKK, which by the way, was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party.
	Let's go to Mike, Detroit, line four.
	Oh yeah, after listening to your guest, you know, you look at these train derailments and spills, especially that horrendous train derailment, you know, the Democrats are just looking at it as something they can exploit to their own advantage.
	As usual.
	Yeah, they're in a hurry to fix it, you know.
	And they're responsible, partly responsible anyway, because they diverted that money that was, you know, supposed to be directed to rebuilding the fossil fuel-based infrastructure of our economy.
	They diverted it to the Green New Deal scam.
	It's absolutely mind-boggling.
	And this Booty judge, you know, you can add identity, politics, and competence to his resume, whatever it is.
	I mean, this is...
	I do have to say, I like the way you pronounce his name, Mike.
	Booty Judge.
	This is the level of incompetence.
	Not incompetence, it's worse than that.
	This is the level of cynicism.
	People are suffering.
	Animals are dying, being poisoned.
	And they couldn't give a damn.
	They just don't care.
	You're correct.
	If it can be exploited, yes.
	If people are really suffering, they just don't care.
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	Next up, the man who made that incredible economy possible.
	We're going to be talking to Stephen Moore, one-on-one.
	For more on the Manhood Hour with Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson, We'll be back one-on-one with Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson in a moment.
	Back after these messages with the Manhood Hour and our special guest, Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson.
	Welcome back to the Manhood Hour with our special guest, North Carolina's Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson.
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	Thank you.
	We promised to him we'd get him back.
	Did we not book him?
	Yeah.
	But nothing right now suggests they were related to China's spy balloon program.
	When did you get these reads, Jeff, that we have to be done today?
	Are these people serious that they send them the same day for reads?
	Yeah, I heard you.
	Okay.
	No, that's not what this email says.
	And then we will close the business.
	It doesn't mean close the business today.
	Alright?
	What is this?
	Alright, are you ready Alex?
	How do you even pronounce that?
	Strapped.
	Wow, what a stupid spelling.
	Alright.
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	Welcome, dear friends.
	You're listening to America First, one-on-one with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist from a deputy to the 45th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.
	And you know what I really like?
	Two things, two special things about having a national radio show is getting to get people on the show who I just follow in social media.
	I'm fans of.
	You've seen them.
	I'm a big geek.
	And when I get them on the show, it's exciting.
	I don't fanboy, you know, out over them anymore.
	I get to interview them.
	The other thing, which is even more pleasurable, is when friends come on the show.
	Not just because they're my friends, but because of what they know and what they've done.
	Well, that's the question.
	He's already breaking into my monologue.
	How dare he?
	He's on the show.
	He's already ruining everything.
	But that's okay because he is a friend and an expert as well.
	He's the man who made Trumponomics possible.
	Stephen Moore, welcome.
	Sebastian, great to be with you.
	All right, so I have a whole list of questions I want to ask you.
	What's happened in the last two years?
	What's going to happen in the next two years?
	What's going to happen in the four years after that?
	But first, because we kind of always jump in very quickly by phone or Skype, we have the luxury of time today.
	Let's talk a little bit about Who is Stephen Moore?
	Because you're one of these unusual characters because this wretched swamp here is 99.5% swamp creatures, mediocre bureaucrats, lying propagandist journalists, and then there's a handful of good guys.
	There's decent journalists like Chris Plant, there's decent specialists like yourself, and you've survived in this milieu of decrepit moral turpitude and propaganda.
	So tell us what your path has been in the swamp and how, for example, how you got to end up advising President Trump.
	So who is Stephen Moore?
	Where do you hail from?
	So, I get a lot of dirty looks when I go to the grocery store.
	Do you find that?
	No!
	No, no, no.
	Because I get lots of smiles from people who know who I am.
	And then once in a while I'll get a scowl.
	Once in a while.
	Isn't he that crazy crackpot economist?
	I came here in 1984.
	Wow.
	I've been lucky.
	I mean, I've had a very blessed life.
	You know, I was able to work for Ronald Reagan in his last 18 months in office and work for Trump.
	How cool is that?
	That's amazing.
	Yeah.
	The two best presidents in the last 50 years.
	I mean, that's... Let's start with that.
	What were your qualifications and how did you end up helping President Reagan?
	Well, so I was, you know, life really is a fickle finger of fate.
	I came to Washington in 1984.
	I met an economist when I was a senior in college at University of Illinois named Julian Simon.
	Do you know who Julian Simon was?
	I know the name, absolutely.
	So Julian was a legend.
	Yes.
	He was the one who debunked the whole world is coming to an end kind of.
	A lot of your viewers and listeners know who Paul Ehrlich The Malthusian end of the world stuff.
	Julian really took that on and proved it all to be wrong.
	And of course, everything that Julian said was right.
	And I want to make a point about this because I think it's important for people to understand.
	The real giants are the ones who say, who changed the whole course of the conversation and challenged the conventional wisdom.
	What the show-offs call moving the Overton window.
	Exactly.
	Right?
	Yeah, and Julian did that.
	I mean, literally, when he was saying what he was saying, that no, we're not running out of oil, we're not running out of gas, there's not too many people, we're not overpopulated, he was seen as a lunatic.
	Crazy, crazy man.
	And of course, you know, he was able to change the world, and he was proven right.
	And there are a lot of people like that, and I've really had great mentors in my life.
	Did you just know him, or did you study under him?
	Yeah, I studied under him.
	He and I wrote a book.
	I want to recommend it.
	I wrote it 20 years, 22 years ago, called It's Getting Better All the Time, 100 Greatest Trends of the 20th Century.
	And it's just a picture book.
	People should get it.
	It should be taught in schools, for goodness sake.
	What was the message?
	The message is every trend, Virtually every trend in socioeconomic, whether it's health, income, environment, blah, blah, blah.
	I'll just give you one example.
	I'll bet if you went into most high schools and colleges today and you asked the kids, do you think the water that we drink and the air that we breathe is cleaner or dirtier today than 50 or 100 years ago?
	I will bet you even at the universities, even at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, they will say, oh, it used to be the air was so clean and now it's dirty.
	Well, no, you know, you're smiling because, you know, we have the cleanest air that we've ever had in this country right now.
	We have the cleanest water and so on.
	So people don't get this message.
	And then, of course, guys, I found it.
	I found it right now.
	I am buying it.
	We put the yellow cover on there because we wanted it to be bright and sunny?
	I'm buying it right now as he speaks.
	The book is, it's getting better all the time.
	The greatest trends of the last hundred years.
	And of course, and I don't want to steal your thunder.
	By the way, people, probably a lot of your listeners know that's the Beatles song from Sgt.
	Pepper called It's Getting Better All The Time.
	But the driver for all of that is free markets, right?
	Of course!
	So that's the only thing that's not going right right now is that government is you know we at the end of the book we say here's our warning you know if you let government get out of the way I mean government get too big it's gonna reverse all these trends.
	I mean these these trends are all driven by human freedom and free market and capitalism.
	All right, and then you mentioned, I interrupted you, talk about Laffer, the famous Laffer, Kevin Hart Laffer.
	So, you know, the same kind of thing.
	People laughed at Laffer.
	For those who are not familiar, tell them.
	Well, Arthur Laffer is, you know, probably the world's most famous economist.
	He's a good friend.
	He was the best man at my wedding.
	He's a great man.
	And he was the one who really sold Reagan.
	on the idea of cutting taxes to make the economy stronger, and that if taxes got too high, they would so ruin the economy that you would actually get less revenue.
	And Reagan bought that agenda and put it in place, and it was a huge success.
	But people laughed at these people like Julian Simon and Art Laffer at the time.
	And then Trump, he got it.
	He understood this stuff.
	He didn't really need Larry Kudlow and my advice, because, you know, he just had the right instincts.
	Yeah, instinctual.
	He's instinctual.
	He's amazing that way.
	I mean, we kind of laid it out for him, and he loved the idea.
	I've told you this story many times, but we said, you should go for a 20% corporate tax rate to make American credit.
	He said, I want 15%.
	He got to the right of Larry and me.
	That's hard to do.
	He said, I want 15.
	And then we ended up with the negotiated settlement was 20.
	And Larry and I said, you know, he probably wanted that 20 on one.
	But you want to understand Trump, you have to ask for 15 out of the deal.
	Exactly.
	And I learned a lot from Trump.
	So what has it been like since the early 90s, since 84 to today?
	Are you like, you feel like Churchill, a voice in the wilderness in this city?
	I've been thinking a lot about that because I've gotten a lot older and I wonder if I've been able to make a difference.
	When I came here, the debt was $1.5 trillion.
	Now it's $31.5 trillion.
	And folks, you can't just blame this on the Democrats.
	It goes up on the Republicans and Democrats because politicians love to spend money.
	Yeah, that's all there is to it.
	And, you know, the Republicans are more fiscally conservative, but not much.
	And so, I'm a big believer we need institutional restraints on government to make sure that we don't go bankrupt.
	Are you going to write a memoir, Stephen Moore?
	No.
	Come on!
	You're going to write the memoir.
	No, no, no.
	But I've been so lucky in my life.
	I just feel really blessed by God, you know.
	And the other cool thing, if I may, is some of the people that I've been able to meet in my lifetime.
	Bill Buckley.
	Did you ever meet Bill Buckley?
	No, never.
	Oh my God.
	He and Reagan had a twinkle in their eye.
	They truly had a twinkle in their eye.
	And Bill Buckley, he befriended me and we became really good friends.
	And he would write notes.
	This was in the old days.
	People actually wrote handwritten notes to each other.
	Or he would type them on his old typewriter.
	Yeah, and it would sometimes be just three or four sentences and it would be like poetry.
	Wow.
	The man was incredible.
	And then of course I was really lucky to have befriended Milton Friedman.
	Wow.
	You know, who was just an incredible mind.
	And so I've been really lucky.
	He had a twinkle as well.
	Milton had a twinkle, didn't he?
	A little kind of impetuous sense of humor.
	Yeah, and the funny thing about him, you know how you used to have dinner with Milton Friedman and Rose Friedman towards the end of their life when they lived in San Francisco, because they were at the Hoover Institute.
	And they were both adorable.
	They were both about five foot six.
	They'd walk down the street hand in hand, they're like the cutest couple, and we used to have these dinners, Sebastian, with about, I'd always say, you know, hey Milton, I'm gonna come, would you like to have dinner?
	And we'd set up this little dinner, and we'd have maybe eight people, we'd sit around, and I wish I had just taken a tape recorder and just taped them, because it was, the great thing, what I gotta tell your viewers and listeners about, Rose was more conservative than Milton was!
	I know they worked together, they partnered together, but she was even more conservative than him.
	She was pretty darn conservative and they were both great economists and they wrote a very famous, their memoir was called Two Lucky People and it was really something that they wrote together and I learned so much from them and so I've been lucky.
	He's a lucky man.
	He's a blessed man to have survived and maintain his sanity in the swamp from Buckley to Reagan.
	Follow him right now.
	He's got the at Stephen Moore Twitter account.
	I don't know how he did that.
	PH at Stephen Moore.
	I've got it right in front of me.
	Yeah.
	What are the things that we have to do that are most important to make the economy grow faster?
	And he said, number one, school choice.
	He was a big advocate of school choice.
	Number two was, you know, oh, he was a big free trader, free trade.
	And the third thing he said was cut government spending.
	Yeah.
	And I said, how much?
	He said as much as possible.
	And that's important because you've got a guy in the White House now who thinks you're going to grow the economy by growing the government.
	Right, we'll talk about your latest argument on that.
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	All right, let's listen to the Gipper.
	General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate.
	Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate.
	Mr. Gorbachev, Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.
	And 17 months later, it wasn't Gorbi, it was the residents of East Germany that tore that wall down with their bare hands with chisels and pickaxes.
	That was statecraft, that was a statesman, and our guest worked for him.
	Talk to us about, you invited me very graciously to a dinner last year for the anniversary of the big tax cuts, the Reagan tax cuts.
	And at the end, as people were moving around and dessert was happening, you invited me to take center stage and talk about my time in the Trump administration.
	And let's reflect a little bit, because a couple of people there said, well, the swamp has always been around and it's nothing new.
	We experienced that in the Reagan years.
	I said, it's a little bit different.
	They may have hated Reagan, but they didn't call him a white supremacist and a Nazi like they did President Trump.
	But that man that you worked for, Reagan, he was resisted 24-7, was he not?
	Yeah, in fact, it's so interesting you play that clip, which was one of his most famous moments as president.
	Did you know that everybody in the White House tried to take that out of history?
	Oh, the State Department tried to take it out six times?
	Yes.
	Six times.
	So this isn't, I mean, what Trump confronted was worse, no question.
	Right, but it's been around.
	But that deep state has been there.
	And incidentally, it's one of the things, you know, and Reagan, by the way, kept putting it in and they kept taking it out.
	You know, he inserted it by hand in the back of the beast on the way to the Brandenburg.
	He did.
	He had to manually, it's in the Reagan library, he had to manually write it into the speech because it had been deleted.
	Exactly.
	And multiple times.
	And finally he gets so angry, I remember he said, "I'm the president.
	I'm going to decide what I'm going to say." So you're right, Trump faced that.
	This is an important point.
	One of the cool things I felt about Donald Trump was he was willing to...
	In other words, when you're in the Oval Office, you've been in the Oval Office many times, The way it usually works is you come in with an idea and there's all these little piddling people and they always tell you, you know, the president why you can't do it.
	Yeah, I've never done it that way before.
	Trump never.
	I don't care if they were going to do it.
	It's a good idea.
	One of my favorite moments with Trump, I came.
	We were talking about covid and early days.
	Larry Kudlow was there and some others, and Trump was frustrated because he did not want to shut down the economy.
	You know that.
	One of his biggest mistakes as president was not firing Fauci because Fauci was undermining everything he was trying to do.
	So he said, how do we get the economy reopened?
	This was about late March of 2020.
	And the idea came to me.
	I just said, well, Mr. President, you know, 10 days from now is Easter.
	Why don't you just make a declaration that Easter Sunday will be Economic Resurrection Day and we'll open up the economy?
	Was that you?
	And I did.
	I swear to God.
	And he sat back and shared and said, you know, that's a good idea.
	It was such a big message.
	And an hour later, he goes in front of the media in the White House press pool, and he says, I've decided we're going to open up the economy.
	I mean, people are fainting.
	Oh, my God, he's going to kill all these people.
	I remembered when he used that and the idea of resurrecting America.
	It was like a bright new morning under Reagan.
	Exactly.
	And you know, it was so resisted.
	And he was proven, of course, right.
	And what Trump did, which he doesn't get enough credit for, I mean, look, he made mistakes under COVID, no question.
	But one of the smartest things he did was he said, look, we're going to allow the states to make their own decisions about their own policies.
	Because we're a republic.
	So what happened?
	The red states all opened up their economies, the blue states all shut down.
	And those blue states like California, my home state of Illinois, New York, New Jersey, they're still paying a huge price for that.
	For shutting down their businesses, for shutting down their schools, all of those things.
	I happen to think that the lockdowns were one of the greatest mistakes in American history and I hope we never, never do it again.
	Yeah, from your lips to God's ears.
	You wrote the book Trumponomics.
	You were advising the President during the campaign, during the time in the White House, inside the America First plan to revive our economy.
	How did you connect with President Trump or candidate Trump?
	So, Larry Kudlow and I and Laffer were interviewing all the candidates for president back in late 2015.
	And remember, there were a lot.
	Sixteen.
	I don't know if we interviewed all of them, but we did most of them.
	And Trump was one of the last ones we talked to.
	How did that discussion go?
	Oh, you know, first, well, what happened is he wanted to meet with Larry and myself privately.
	And that was Corey Lewandowski.
	Remember, Corey was running the campaign, did a fantastic job.
	And we went and we, I didn't like Trump.
	I didn't, I'd never met him.
	I just didn't like him.
	I just thought he was kind of a blowhard and blah, blah, blah.
	And we went in and spent an hour and a half, just me, Larry and Trump.
	Really?
	which I thought was interesting.
	That was...
	Again, usually these politicians are filled with people.
	And I remember Larry and I...
	I'll never forget this.
	Larry and I walked out of that room and were like, he's going to be president.
	Really?
	That's how blown away we were.
	And that he agreed with you?
	We had a great conversation.
	I mean, I love Trump because you can argue with the guy, you know?
	But it was a meeting of the minds and I was just so blown away by this guy.
	Look, I told Trump, I don't agree with you on trade and, you know, we'd fight back and forth.
	But I love the fact that he was willing to take on the conventional wisdom in Washington and the whole drain the swamp message.
	That's why he won.
	Right, totally.
	Yeah, so my first meeting with him was exactly the same.
	Corey called me up, summer, I think it was June of 2015, and said, there's a GOP candidates debate this fall on national security and Mr. Trump wants somebody to help him prepare.
	Would you meet with him?
	And I was like, not exactly my cup of tea, but I went to New York and it was just me.
	President Trump and Cory in a room for 40 minutes, crazy blue sky discussion from the Civil War to nuclear weapons.
	And I could tell within milliseconds that this man hates political correctness, hates the swamp, and he has a passion for America.
	So I said, sure, I'll work for you.
	And going back to what you said previously about all the naysayers, all the people that float around and say no, The easiest way to piss him off, and I'm sure you've seen this, is if somebody from the administration, even if you're a four-star general, if you came to him with something and you said, why are we doing it like that?
	And if you said to him, well, because that's how we've been doing it for 20 years, he would say, excuse me?
	That's not a reason!
	You never say that to the boss, because for him there were no sacred cows.
	We talked to Stephen Moore.
	He's the author of Tramponomics and so many other works, Galvazilla included.
	He is the founder of the Committee to Unleash Prosperity.
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	Here's a reminder of the man who is currently an incumbent on the White House and the alternate reality that he lives in.
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	So the economy is up, price inflation is down, real incomes are up, gas prices are down and need to come down further.
	Exports are also up, which means a simple thing.
	We're making a lot of money in America because of that.
	Guess what?
	We're exporting products we made rather than jobs.
	So, he probably has that entourage.
	He's isolated.
	Does anybody, do you have any connections inside this administration?
	Does anybody really believe that the economy is just hunky-dory and inflation is under control and employment is superb?
	I'm just curious.
	Well, first of all, when you hear a clip like that, my first reaction is, where are the fact-checkers?
	You know?
	Remember whenever Trump would, you know, sometimes, you know, presidents make a misstatement of facts.
	Almost everything out of his mouth is a misstatement of facts.
	Every single thing.
	Right?
	And so I'm just stunned by the fact that he gets away with that kind of thing.
	Do they believe it's okay?
	Because he's got a council of advisors, he's got economic advisors, he's got a chief of staff, he's got a secretary of commerce.
	What's going on?
	Who believes this?
	Look, the economy would be absolutely booming right now if Trump were still president.
	We just kept with Trump's policies.
	I think this economy is headed towards a financial crash.
	I don't know if it's going to happen in two months, or six months, or eight months, or two years, but it's going to happen if we continue down this path.
	We're like a speeding locomotive heading right over a cliff.
	Everybody I talk to whose opinion I respect in the financial and economics sphere tells me that.
	I mean, there's always people, well, when is it going to happen?
	If I knew that, I'd be rich.
	But I don't know when it's going to happen, but it will happen.
	Now, there's still, look, a Titanic is headed right to an iceberg, folks.
	Guess what?
	There's still time to turn the ship around.
	But Biden's like, speed it up.
	Stay with these policies.
	Everything's going just fine.
	And so I'm, I'm, uh, I'm despondent about what's happened to our country.
	I mean, you add $5 trillion of debt in two years, and then you go out to the American people and the state of the union and say you're reducing the deficit?
	Or are you saying I'm reducing inflation?
	When he came in, the inflation rate was 1.6% and then it went up to 9.2% and it's still at 6.5% and he's saying he's reduced inflation?
	I mean, these things are such bald-faced lies.
	61% of the Americans, according to I think it was a CBS poll that came out last week, say the economy's bad.
	61%, including plurality of Democrats are saying that.
	So we're in some tough conditions.
	Now, to give the President his due, this is a strong jobs market, no question about it.
	But guess what?
	We're missing 5 million people who should be working, who aren't working.
	Why aren't they working?
	There are a lot of reasons why that's happening.
	Help us understand that.
	Why is it so hard to find people to do work today?
	Well, that's the big question.
	Why?
	Any theory?
	I think there were a lot of people after COVID who just never went back to work.
	You know, I mean, the lockdowns.
	But I also think we're just paying people way too much money not to work.
	I mean, what Biden did was just flush all this money into the economy, put all this money into people's pockets.
	And then they're like, gee, did you know there were... You're not going to believe this, Sebastian.
	There were 13 Nobel Prize economists who said in the New York Times in a signed letter, we do not believe that Joe Biden's agenda will cause inflation.
	Now, when was that?
	Was that in the beginning?
	This was back middle to late 2020.
	I mean, now, a 7th grader could understand this, right?
	And if you made a prediction like that, and inflation went to 9%, don't you think maybe you might send your PhD back and say, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about?
	You know, the academics are so wrong about what's happening in this country.
	So am I concerned?
	I'm extremely concerned.
	And look, I don't root against this country.
	I hope we can we can keep this country prosperous.
	But my God, when you look at the spending, as you know, one of the issues I worked on with Trump was the energy policy.
	I mean, that was a spectacular success.
	We'll talk about exactly that next.
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	It is the heartbeat of an economy.
	Under our former president, it was creating wealth the likes of which we'd never seen before.
	I'm talking, of course, fossil fuels and energy.
	The current incumbent has a very different vision.
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	No more, no new fracking.
	We are going to be rid of fossil fuels.
	What about, say, stopping fracking and stopping...
	Would there be any place for fossil fuels, including coal and fracking, in a Biden administration? - Yes.
	No, we would work it out.
	We would make sure it's eliminated.
	I guarantee, I guarantee we're going to end fossil fuels.
	No ability for the oil industry to continue to drill.
	Period.
	Ends.
	Number one.
	Is there any really powerful large-scale economy in the world that doesn't have a vibrant energy sector?
	Well, look, yeah, I mean, you know, Singapore...
	No, no, I mean the scale of a continent like America, a big one.
	Well, look, let me put it differently.
	This country is so blessed with natural resources.
	There's no country in the world that has more minerals.
	We have the greatest agricultural land in the world.
	We have more oil and gas and coal than any other country in the world.
	Now, could you get prosperous without energy?
	Yeah, but it sure helps when you're, you know, if you control the energy markets, as we learn from OPEC.
	Yeah.
	In the 1970s, you have a geopolitical stranglehold over the rest of... I mean, it was basically like in this... I remember the 70s.
	I mean, the OPEC oil sheiks had a knife at our necks.
	And so, you know, we had finally done something that I didn't think was possible.
	To be exporting it.
	To be exporting it.
	You know, what an incredible economic liberator that was.
	The oil patch jobs, those are $100,000, $150,000 a year jobs.
	I mean, it reduced our trade deficit, it increased output.
	I mean, I go on and on and on and on.
	Can you just remind everyone, because I know it's only two years, but can you remind us of what the state of the economy was prior to COVID and not just energy?
	I mean, it was The most robust economy we'd ever seen.
	Pretty much.
	In world terms.
	Pretty much so.
	Whether it was unemployment or anything else.
	I don't know if I've ever told you this story, but it's an honest God truth.
	I remember in like mid-January of 2020, waking up in the middle of the night, with this kind of vision that everything is going so well, I had this premonition that something bad was going to happen because everything was going too well.
	It's too good.
	Yeah, and I didn't know if it was going to be an earthquake or a terrorist attack or something, and of course it turned out to be this virus.
	If it had not been for COVID, Trump would have won the biggest reelection ever, ever, in the history of the country.
	I mean, you know, we were just exploding with growth.
	And I do think we now know, this is what's so sinister about this.
	Almost everything that people in government were telling us about COVID was a lie.
	Yeah.
	This was, I'm not a, you've known me a long time.
	I'm not a conspiracy guy.
	No.
	But when I, when you look at all the, they intentional, now it would be one thing to get it wrong, but they intentionally lied.
	Sebastian, they created a climate of fear.
	Yes.
	So that people panicked.
	It caused mayhem.
	That's exactly what they wanted.
	Well, you're fallaciously using the past tense.
	They're still doing it.
	Yesterday, CDC Walensky said, we're never going to change our guidelines on masking of children.
	She said that.
	She said that on Wednesday.
	The people who are the victims of what we did were our children.
	The effects of this are going to be felt for 50, 60 years.
	Oh, at least.
	So I'm just sickened by it.
	But even so, even with COVID, the second half of the year after Trump ended the shutdowns, the economy was booming.
	This lie, I don't know if you have the lie that, oh, when I took over, the economy was in ruins.
	What the hell is he talking about?
	No.
	What is he talking about?
	The economy grew by 11% in the second half of 2020.
	One week after the election is when they announced they had the vaccine, which allowed everything to reopen again.
	Now I think the first vaccine was highly successful.
	I have some doubts about these latest versions of it.
	But the point is, I think Trump doesn't get enough credit for how he actually got us through this.
	This is really important for people to understand.
	You know, when people talk about, was the election stolen?
	I always say, the left isn't stupid.
	They knew that if they had any kind of conventional election, where we vote the way we've always voted for 150 years, there's no way they could beat Trump.
	But what if you mail out 80 million ballots?
	Exactly!
	So they completely changed the rules of the game and shame on the Republicans for allowing them to do that.
	But we fell into their trap, Sebastian.
	And I think 2020, the election was a catastrophe for our country.
	Yeah.
	We've talked about energy.
	Can I just drill down?
	Oh, by the way, I want to show people this.
	You've got this car here.
	Now, this is important.
	The left hates these.
	The war on energy is about getting people... He's holding up my James Bond asthma.
	No, you know, they don't like the car.
	Because it's, we say in that book, The 100 Greatest Trends, the automobile was the most liberating... Freedom!
	Freedom producing inventions ever in the history of the country.
	What do they want?
	They want to get people out of cars and put them in mass transit and trains and things like that so they can take away people's mobility and keep track of where they are.
	I'm glad somebody's finally using my toy collection as a prop.
	Is that the first time that's happened?
	That's the first time that's happened.
	I get a lot of people complimenting me on my props and my toys, but the first time that's been a teaching aid.
	One thing I need your advice on, because the energy thing is clear.
	If you're paying, you know, $1.80 a gallon by $7, everybody understands that.
	But my big concern is manufacturing.
	America needs to be making stuff.
	So we're not beholden to China or anybody else.
	Can that be revivified?
	We did it under Trump!
	Of course we can!
	What is the secret?
	Is it tariffs?
	I know you're a free trade guy.
	What's the secret sauce there?
	It's making America as competitive as possible.
	Which means what, in terms of policies?
	It means, you know, our labor policy, our energy policy, our tax policy, everything should be oriented towards making America the most competitive country in the world.
	And Trump got this instantly.
	He's like, you create a level playing field?
	And America can out-compete anybody.
	Bingo.
	And we did.
	I mean, I'm really proud of what we did with manufacturing.
	As Trump used to say, for 50 years before he came into office, factories were leaving Michigan and they were going to Mexico.
	For the first time in our lifetime, the factories were going from Mexico to Michigan.
	Yes.
	Incredible.
	Because we made it such a fertile place to invest it.
	Trump was pro-business.
	Biden is anti-business.
	And lots of those policies were thanks to our guest in studio, Stephen Moore, the author of Trumponomics.
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	All right, we're running out of time.
	Just a few minutes left.
	I'm going to exploit you mercilessly because I've got you in studio.
	Sebastian, I got to correct you on one thing.
	What, what, what, what, what?
	So this is really important.
	You know, you're being very kind and saying, you know, I helped Trump, you know, develop these policies.
	He knew what to do.
	He really did.
	He knew he was a businessman, but he wasn't running a government.
	So you helped him.
	Yeah, I know.
	We helped him, but it's not like he didn't know.
	Look, if I could tell how many times I've tried to call Steve and he said, sorry, I'm on the phone with the White House.
	I know what you were doing.
	You were working.
	No, but he was really the easiest, and I've been around, you know, senators and congressmen and governors.
	I mean, I never had a connection with a guy like that before.
	Why?
	Because he's not a politician, folks.
	He's not a politician.
	Bingo.
	Bingo.
	That's the reason.
	That's why we need him back in the White House and you advising him again.
	Alright, so one thing I need help with you, because it's such a hoary old subject, is the question of trickle-down economics.
	Is trickle-down a shillabeth?
	Is it fake?
	Is it real?
	The left says it doesn't exist.
	Is it a canard?
	What's your approach?
	So, look, taxes matter.
	And when you have high tax rates, what happens?
	People and businesses Let's try to escape that high taxation.
	Now, I'm going to give you the best example I can because it's irrefutable and I've debated liberals on this for 30 years.
	If you don't think taxes matter, then why are New York and Illinois and California and New Jersey and Connecticut losing millions of people to Florida and Texas and Tennessee and Utah and states with low tax.
	What we've seen over the last 50 years and this migration is accelerating.
	Center of gravity in America is shifting towards red states.
	Red states are absolutely killing the blue states right now.
	California's lost two million people in the last five years, net, in terms of migration.
	That's never happened before in the history of our country.
	Nobody leaves California because they don't have good weather out there.
	They're leaving there because the policies are so backward, and taxes are one of them.
	You pay a 13% tax in New York, California, you move to Florida, Texas, you pay zero.
	You don't think that matters?
	Come on.
	Yeah, no, it's just common sense.
	I just hope all of those millions of people aren't taking left-wing politics with them to Arizona, Nevada, and Texas.
	Wow, what's happening is all the remaining conservatives are, you know, Lee Zeldin would have won the election in New York had not all the Republicans moved to Florida.
	Right.
	But, you know, all the entrepreneurs are moving to states like Texas and Florida.
	It's incredible.
	We owe Lee Zodden a debt of gratitude.
	What he did in New York in the midterms was amazing.
	We've been talking to Stephen Moore.
	Where did that hour go?
	Sheer insanity.
	Follow him right now on Twitter at Stephen Moore PH.
	Stephen Moore.
	The book is Trumponomics.
	The prior one I've just ordered is It's Getting Better.
	All the time.
	You can still get that on Amazon.
	Yeah, it's up there.
	You can get it on Kindle.
	You can get it paperback.
	I've ordered the hardcover because I'm fancy.
	It's Getting Better.
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