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	Welcome dear friends.
	Happy Tuesday.
	Yes, indeed.
	This is America First coming to you live across the nation from the Salem News Channel studios just outside the insalubrious, noisome swamp that is Washington, D.C.
	We have an absolutely packed show for you today.
	We'll be joined by Gordon Chang, the latest analysis on the Beijing-Biden balloon fiasco.
	Lord Conrad Black, also on the inability of the national security enterprise of the United States to deal with the threat.
	My former Newsmax buddy, former NRA spokesperson Grant Stinchfield will be with us.
	And then we will discuss the breaking news, the first of which happened this morning at about 8 a.m.
	A former ambassador to the United Nations, member of the Trump administration, Nikki Haley, announced that she is running for the highest office in the land.
	Here's a little clip from her campaign ad.
	We must turn in that direction again.
	Republicans have lost the popular vote in seven out of the last eight presidential elections.
	That has to change.
	Joe Biden's record is abysmal, but that shouldn't come as a surprise.
	The Washington establishment has failed us over and over and over again.
	It's time for a new generation of leadership to rediscover fiscal responsibility, secure our border, and strengthen our country, our pride, and our purpose.
	Are you excited?
	You excited?
	There's a little problem with that.
	Two years ago, just two years ago, when asked about running for the presidency in 2024, this is what Nikki Haley said at a televised press conference.
	Cut to.
	He still has a lot of popularity.
	If he runs again in 2024, will you support him?
	Yes.
	If he decides that he's going to run, would that preclude any sort of run that you would possibly make yourself?
	I would not run if President Trump ran.
	I would not run if President Trump ran in 2024.
	Well, he announced last year at Mar-a-Lago that he's running, so were you lying two years ago?
	Are you lying now?
	If President Trump can't trust you, why should Americans trust you?
	Eric, when you played that video cut, you didn't seem too excited about Ambassador Haley's announcement.
	Even beyond all the other reasons we've talked about before, why I don't like Nikki Haley, the one thing that bothers me the most about that video, she repeats that talking point of, Republicans have lost the popular vote seven out of the last eight times.
	Like, okay, one, electoral college, that's not how it works in America.
	Two, the one exception, the last Republican to win the popular vote, was Bush Jr.
	in 2004.
	So does that mean, oh, we need to go back to a Bush-era Republican Party?
	Don't you understand, Eric?
	That's who she is.
	That's the whole point!
	She's sending you a hidden message there.
	Jeff, are you surprised?
	What does this mean?
	Is she angling for the veep spot or does she just have an ego bigger than her IQ?
	I think it's got to be the vice president thing.
	I think she even knows that she doesn't have a chance.
	I mean, to beat Trump In the Republican primary.
	You're out of your mind.
	There's no way.
	Well, Chris Sununu, I mean, he probably thinks he can beat Trump, right?
	He loves it.
	He keeps talking about how every time they bring it up, they mention DeSantis or Trump.
	He's like, you know, there's other people that are running for president, too.
	There's some other guys that might get in there.
	Yeah, like John Bolton.
	Here's a photograph just to remind all of you of who Nikki Haley is.
	This was taken not long after she left the Trump administration at a public event where she's yucking it up, grinning a big toothy grin, standing next to who?
	Oh yeah, that's John Brennan.
	John Brennan, Obama's former director of the CIA, who voted for Gus Hall, the communist candidate for the president, a man who called her former boss treasonous.
	That's all you have to know about Nikki Haley and who she is.
	She's not a conservative.
	She's a swamp-dwelling rhino.
	All right, we mentioned a story yesterday that I now have the background documentation for.
	It's from our buddy I have in front of me an unclassified FBI memo that was leaked from the FBI offices in Richmond, and I just want to mention it to you.
	It's about Catholics, but even if you're not a Catholic, this should rock you to your core.
	Because it is the targeting of your fellow Americans because of their religion.
	This is unclassified FBI use.
	F-O-U-O for official use only.
	Interest of racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists in radical traditionalist Catholic ideology.
	Certainly presents new mitigation opportunities.
	Now that's government verbiage.
	It's garbage.
	First things first, let's just note the inherent consistency.
	Radical traditionalist.
	How can you be a radical traditionalist?
	Either you're a traditionalist or you're radical.
	A radical is opposed to tradition and a traditionalist doesn't like anything radical.
	Doesn't matter.
	These are the geniuses at the FBI.
	Let me just read to you the opening sentence.
	FBI Richmond assesses the increasingly observed interest of racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists in radical traditionalist Catholic ideology.
	They summarize that with the acronym RTC.
	They are linking those who believe in traditional Catholic values to violent extremism.
	In the footnote, analysts note, unclassified, note, radical traditionalist Catholics are typically characterized by the rejection of the Second Vatican Council as a valid church council, disdain for most of the popes elected since Vatican II, particularly Pope Francis and Pope John Paul II, what?
	Really?
	And frequent adherence to anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, anti-LGBTQ and white supremacist ideology.
	The FBI is linking Catholics who have a traditional stance to white supremacy.
	Let's see.
	Now, I don't care if you're a Seventh-day Adventist, if you are any other denomination, Greek Orthodox, whether you're a Quaker, whether you're a Shaker, this should chill you to the bone.
	Not simply because of the rank amateurism that this six-page, seven-page memo has as its source material only one source, the radical left-wing Southern Poverty Law Center that is tied to violent acts itself, real violent acts, such as the assault on the Family Research Council here in Washington DC,
	But because if a Catholic can be surveilled, can be targeted by the most powerful federal law enforcement agency in the world, because of their religious beliefs, so can you.
	You're safe if you're an atheist, I guess.
	If you are a member of Antifa or BLM, rioting across the nation, causing two billion dollars worth of damage.
	But if you believe a man is a man, a woman is a woman, and marriage is between a man and a woman, and homosexuality is a sin, remember Christianity is clear, whatever denomination you are of, you love the sinner and hate the sin.
	There's nothing anti-LGBTQ about Catholics or anybody else who believe in Jesus Christ, because Jesus Christ was clear.
	That's why he supped with prostitutes and tax collectors.
	Because He didn't come to save the righteous.
	He came to save the wicked and the fallen who repented.
	Wake up, America!
	If you believe in eternal values, they're coming for you.
	Cleave to the truth.
	Never censor yourself.
	And stand up for what you believe in.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	We've only just begun.
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	Nikki Haley lied to America.
	Go.
	FBI targets Catholic believers.
	All right, he's up on Skype.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Targets capital.
	Those clips that you want for black about foreign policy, anything like focus on a certain country?
	No, I just want to juxtapose the last eight days to strong presidents.
	Gotcha.
	So it doesn't have to be anything specific. All right.
	I'm going to grab my phone.
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	Back home, the news is tragic as a result of another shooting, this time Michigan State University.
	Multiple people killed, infuriated, Interestingly, the identity of the individual was not revealed until later this morning.
	I was going to tweet this morning, what are the odds the local authorities knew about this person before he went on his murderous rampage, as soon as I was writing that tweet.
	I found this from the Western Journal.
	The man who shot and killed those students was, of course, known to the police.
	His name is Anthony Dwayne McRae, and he had recently been released on a weapons charge.
	Yes, that's the truth about this individual, as is sadly so often the case.
	Let's analyze what this means for law-abiding gun citizens with the Director of Federal Affairs, Thank you so much for having me on.
	Aidan Johnston, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you so much for having me on.
	It's great to be here.
	Should we be surprised?
	Another gun atrocity, another individual who has a criminal record for violence with guns, but he's free on the streets, Aidan?
	What happened in Michigan State is an absolute tragedy, but the left didn't wait very long before politicizing it.
	What we have is a convicted felon who illegally obtained a firearm, went into a gun-free zone, and attacked a bunch of disarmed students.
	I'm unfortunately not surprised.
	The left says we need to do something.
	The anti-gun movement wants to pass a law in response to this, and if we are going to do something, then why don't we empower those students with their Second Amendment rights?
	Why don't we allow them Yeah, they're utterly defenseless, correct, Aidan?
	the Supreme Court just affirmed is one of the purposes of the Second Amendment.
	When I was a student, I was not allowed to carry in classrooms.
	It was a gun-free zone, even though I had a concealed carry permit.
	And I think that's a tragedy.
	I think that we shouldn't be taking away those rights from students.
	And we haven't done enough to arm teachers either.
	Yeah, they're utterly defenseless, correct, Aidan?
	People on that campus are utterly defenseless.
	Yes, Michigan State University has a gun-free zone policy, and they're also not allowed by law to keep firearms in their dorms, if I recall correctly.
	So there are a number of gun policies at failure here, not the least of which is the fact that a convicted felon got a hold of a firearm.
	Criminals are always going to get a hold of guns.
	I don't know why we let dangerous people roam society freely and expect a background check is going to stop them.
	Don't worry, the next piece of legislation will clearly stop criminals from getting guns because, you know, it's worked with murder.
	You know, murder is illegal.
	I think we don't get any murder in America at all because of those laws.
	This is a real gun organization.
	Go right now.
	Gunowners.org.
	Join today.
	Alright, two big issues we still have to cover.
	Gun pistol braces.
	Let's put a couple of pictures up.
	What is a pistol brace?
	It's this piece of plastic you can find on Google Shopping, or at least you could.
	Literally a piece of plastic that makes a gun safer to shoot, especially for invalids.
	There you go.
	It wraps the weapon around your arm.
	It was designed for veterans to use.
	I know GOA is active in stopping the ATF from making tens of millions of Americans felons by Retroactively banning pistol braces.
	Where is this case at?
	What are the expectations?
	Give us an update, please.
	So GOA just filed a lawsuit in Texas along with the Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton.
	We are suing the Biden administration over their ban on up to 40 million lawfully owned, lawfully purchased pistols, which the ATF approved for sale about a decade ago.
	The ATF has no authority to ban these items.
	These are just law-abiding citizens.
	They're not used in crimes.
	And now the Biden administration says you have until May 31st to destroy them, turn them in, register them with the federal government, or rebuild them at your own personal cost.
	We are going for an injunction.
	We would like to see the court system stop this rule from being implemented before that May 31st deadline.
	We're here to defend the rights of gun owners in court and in Congress.
	Do you feel confident, Aiden?
	You know, I don't trust any of the branches of government to really uphold our rights unless we hold their feet to the fire.
	So that's why we are not only relying on the courts, but we also have some bills in Congress.
	We're going to use the Congressional Review Act to fight back and disapprove of this rule.
	We're going to pass the Short Act.
	De-regulate the 1934 gun ban that the Biden administration has weaponized here.
	We're not going to put all our eggs in one basket and we're going to keep fighting.
	But I'd like to hope that our judges and our Congress will actually hold President Biden accountable for this.
	Now, last issue is I went to my local gun store last week in Northern Virginia and they were taking everything out of the store.
	Why?
	Because the ATF had come in and revoked their license.
	Here is the headline.
	We have many, many headlines on this issue.
	It looks as if the ATF is now on a war path to revoke as many federal firearms licenses as possible.
	Is that what you're seeing at GOA?
	Absolutely.
	So the Biden administration has initiated a zero tolerance policy, which means that if you make a mistake, they skip all the traditional warnings, warning letters, warning conferences, and go straight to license revocation.
	The number of licenses being revoked is up 300% since Biden took office.
	That's the most since The early 2000s, this is an attack on the gun industry.
	When you close down a gun store, you reduce access to firearms, reduce access to self-defense tools in a given community, and you also end up sending all of their firearm transaction records to an illegal digital database that the ATF maintains in West Virginia.
	So this is not only an attack on the gun industry, but also a registration attempt by the Biden administration We're going to fight back, and that's why we released the ATF's Zero Tolerance Policy and Procedure Manual, which was a private document, to the public last Friday in order to give FFLs and gun stores the tools they need to fight back and to avoid having their licenses revoked in this way.
	Go to GunOwners.org.
	Join today.
	They are fighting for all of us.
	Even if you're just a hunter, they're coming after your guns as well.
	That's GunOwners.org.
	Follow Aiden at RealGunLobbyist on Twitter, at RealGunLobbyist.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	SebGorkaStore.com.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A, store.com. Foundation's store.com. Foundation's website, Gunner.com.
	Yeah, would you just send it to me?
	Yeah, no happy to do that.
	So you went to Vienna Arsenal for their closeout sale.
	Yeah, that's what I'm talking about Vienna Arsenal.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's crazy that whole story I mean like he was gonna sell his business and then the other guy's paperwork fell through and they said well you you gave up your license anyway, so They're trying to revoke the other guy's application saying he didn't disclose that he was part of that business which he wasn't Right, right.
	No, it's it's outrageous.
	So Yeah, I think that's a tale that a lot of gun stores are going through, so glad you're throwing some spotlight on the issue.
	And also, I heard you're going to talk about the traditional Catholics that the FBI is watching.
	That was my opening monologue.
	Oh, very good.
	Well, I mean, we have got to push back on that.
	I go to the Latin Mass at St.
	Rita's and... Oh, you extremist, you!
	How dare you!
	Yes, I'm definitely already in their databases, though, so it doesn't really matter in the end.
	Alright, well thanks buddy.
	Have a good one.
	Send us the document, appreciate it.
	Thanks, bye bye.
	Yep, will do.
	Do I have to record this new copy?
	Consumers Research, or just use it on air?
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Usually it's Comrex.
	Oh, what does it say for Skype, John?
	Hang on, Jeff's coming back.
	Okay.
	Two minutes.
	Don't...
	Okay.
	This one, Jeff?
	Oh yeah.
	Okay.
	I'll call that cut 10.
	All right.
	I'm going to use the ad from the beginning, the audio cut, but I'll put it down at some point because it's so long.
	Oh, food for the poor, you mean?
	No, the new one, the Hayley one.
	Oh, it's a video cut.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, you're right.
	Yeah, it's like three and a half minutes long.
	Okay.
	It's still processing.
	Oh, it's a video one?
	Yeah, it's a video cut.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Processing it right quick.
	Stinchfield says he needs a minute.
	Okay.
	I'm going to do Israel here.
	We need some images of me and Israel for these reads.
	Didn't you send me some way back when?
	Way back, yeah.
	Let me see if I still have those.
	How long are we doing these Israel reads?
	Don't know.
	Yeah, let me see.
	I should have some in the miscellaneous folder.
	Hang on.
	Miscellaneous?
	That's a very large elements folder.
	Hang on, um... You guys there?
	You there?
	Yes, we are always here.
	Alright, good.
	Hey, Seb.
	Fifteen seconds.
	Even when we're not here, we're here.
	Mike's over.
	You're listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump.
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	To just go where our Lord and Savior walked this earth.
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	Trust me, go visit Israel.
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	Thank you, Eric.
	I'm finding those images.
	All right, it's been, what day is it today?
	Is it Tuesday?
	I do believe it's Tuesday.
	I think I was on the show he co-hosts with the West Coast Warrior Princess just a few hours ago, just about six hours ago.
	But we decided to invite him onto our show.
	He is a warrior for the Second Amendment.
	He can do donuts in an 18-wheeler.
	I don't know if he's bare-chested.
	He looks a little bit creepy on the Skype.
	I think that's a pink-colored T-shirt.
	Grant Stidfield, welcome back to America First.
	I was like, is he really going to have a shaved chest on my show today?
	You know what?
	That does look like it.
	It does!
	You're right, I can't wear this anymore.
	For those of you who are listening, he is in a lizard print tracksuit bottom and a pink t-shirt.
	He looks like Russian Mafia.
	I don't know if this is what he thinks is cool, but Grant Stinfeld is doing the Russian Mafia bit today.
	Is that cool where you come from?
	The Russian Mafia?
	Well, where I come from, you know, I'm half Italian.
	It's the Italian Mafia in New York.
	That famous name, Stinchfield, that famous Sicilian name, Stinchfield.
	Minervini is my mom's maiden name.
	Minervini.
	And believe me, I love Italian food.
	I'm a sucker.
	I know you're losing all this weight, so you're cutting carbs, I'm sure, but I'm a sucker for carbs.
	What's your favorite Italian dish?
	Oh gosh, uh, baked ziti, veal parmesan, but my sister's a vegan so I gotta, I order the chicken parm and then I sneak up to the waitress and I tell her actually bring the veal parm.
	And what about my favorite?
	You can't go wrong with any of it.
	No, you can't, you really can't, you can't.
	And my favorite pasta, the butterfly, the bow ties, the little bow ties, and then the orzo, the tiny like rice, the pasta, oh my gosh.
	Orzo with a bit of butter and parmesan cheese.
	I'm glad we're talking about the big issues, aren't you Grant?
	These are the big issues.
	Sometimes I want to forget about all the issues we face right now and let's just talk about Orzo.
	Let's just talk about baked Orzo.
	Let's just talk about Orzo and butter.
	Okay, I gave it away as usual.
	I'm sending some pictures to my associate producer Eric right now.
	Again, I broke news on your show, which I'm never supposed to do, about how I spent my Valentine's morning.
	So, for 26 years of marriage, I've been telling my wife every Christmas, every birthday, when it's time for exchange of presents, I've been saying, you didn't, did you?
	This year?
	Did you?
	This year?
	Buy me an Aston Martin.
	This year, I woke up.
	Usually, she says, Valentine's not a real holiday.
	It's hallmark.
	It's garbage.
	We can have a nice dinner, but we're not going to give in to the, you know, corporate garbage.
	And I'm still in bed, Grant.
	And my wife, Katie, brings me a perfectly wrapped Valentine's present.
	And I haven't bought anything, all right?
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	And I unwrap it, and I have The original Goldfinger Aston Martin.
	How cool is that?
	Look, here it is.
	It may only be the Playmobil one, but isn't that cool for Valentine's Day?
	It's awesome.
	It's awesome.
	I have come to the conclusion that Valentine's Day is a holiday for children, okay?
	You make the little Valentine's cards.
	When you are with me, Seb, any girl you talk to, they will tell you, every day is Valentine's Day with me.
	We don't need a special day.
	Every day is Valentine's Day.
	Such a smoothie.
	So how many Valentine's cards did you get today?
	I have no Valentine's, Seb.
	You didn't get any?
	Not one?
	No, I don't have one.
	I don't have a Valentine.
	I'm literally flying solo.
	Not even Jen gave you one after you forgot her birthday live on air last week?
	No, maybe that's why she didn't.
	How's it going?
	How's it going?
	Is she letting you, like, spread your wings a little bit, or how's that co-hosting going?
	No, she doesn't let me spread my wings at all.
	She's constantly telling me to tone it down.
	She's telling me to dial it back.
	She doesn't like when I get on my rants.
	No, she's the best.
	She keeps me in check in all of the best ways possible.
	She's the greatest co-host a guy could ever ask for, and I mean that.
	She's fabulous.
	Now, just remember, I'm giving you a little warning here, One of her former, former co-hosts was Ben Shapiro.
	So, you know, I'm just telling you, you might have, you know, a bright future in front of you.
	We're talking to Grant Stinchfield.
	Follow him right now at Stinchfield 1776.
	We shall continue.
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	We certainly didn't solve the world's problems in that last one, did we?
	Well, we got close.
	We got close.
	We made Eric happy because Eric loves Italian food.
	Yes.
	Ironically.
	That's his favorite.
	I finally got to go to Caruso's Grocery the other day, actually.
	What's that?
	That's a Thai restaurant in D.C.
	in Southeast D.C., I believe.
	It was pretty good.
	It was pretty solid.
	Tiny place, not a very big place at all.
	You have to book weeks in advance to have a spot open.
	Was it good?
	Will you guys be doing any broadcasting from CPAC?
	No, no.
	The hotel wants like 15 grand for internet.
	So it's like... You're kidding me, really?
	So I'm going to go and give a speech, but we're going to broadcast from here.
	We'll do some mobile interviews, but you know, they're just such... they're so exorbitant at that hotel.
	Yeah.
	That's too bad.
	But you're coming, right?
	Yeah, I'm coming.
	Real America's Voice.
	I'll be doing my show there at night.
	Oh, good.
	And, um, yeah, I'll probably do radio, but I'll just do it from the hotel room.
	Uh-huh.
	So.
	Is Jen coming?
	No.
	Why not?
	Salem's not paying for me to go, uh, Real American Voices.
	Uh-huh.
	How's the show going?
	The show's going really, really well, Seb.
	It really is.
	That network is growing.
	Do they have a good team?
	How's the team?
	So my team is small, but it's great.
	And so it's really just a producer and me, and he does everything.
	And he does everything my team of six at Newsmax did.
	Wow.
	And he does it perfectly.
	I mean, like, no problem.
	I had a producer at Newsmax, one for every block.
	And I would constantly say, I don't understand what everybody's doing for eight hours.
	And I wrote everything.
	I literally wrote everything.
	Did you script it out?
	I scripted my entire Newsmax show, monologues, everything.
	I wrote scripts.
	The Real America's Voice show, I said, you know what?
	I'm not doing that.
	I'm not going to kill myself anymore.
	And I think it's just as good.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I used to do it at the beginning, and it's just too stiff.
	I don't do it anymore.
	I don't do it anymore.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	There's something to be said for that.
	You've got the image of the shooter, right, Eric?
	The headline of the Michigan shooter?
	Yes, I do.
	OK, great.
	All right.
	The one we used with Aiden.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I have that.
	And Mike's off.
	Yeah.
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	I'm sure you discussed it on the show this morning.
	Let's have another reprise of the big announcement From Ambassador Haley.
	We must turn in that direction again.
	Republicans have lost the popular vote in seven out of the last eight presidential elections.
	That has to change.
	Joe Biden's record is abysmal, but that shouldn't come as a surprise.
	The Washington establishment has failed us over and over and over again.
	Enough, I've heard enough, I've heard enough.
	Why is this happening?
	This is going to be the Kamala Harris of the right.
	She's gonna get maybe two, three percent.
	Is it about the money, the ego, angling for a job in a second Trump administration?
	Give us your read, Grant.
	Well, you know, I think people go up there to Washington, and she had a tremendous position in the Trump administration, and they get power hungry.
	And I think their egos get really big, and then all of a sudden they think they can be President of the United States.
	Look, Nikki Haley seems like a nice enough lady.
	I'm a little upset with the way she handled her departure from President Trump, the company she was running in.
	She promised she wouldn't run against him, and then she does run against him, as you pointed out on the show this morning, Seb.
	I'm looking at her with a little skepticism.
	My co-host Jen Horne thinks she's angling for a vice presidential spot.
	But you know, look, it's all about power.
	She's going to raise some campaign cash if she gets any donors at all.
	If she doesn't go all the way through, she'll be able to spend that money that she raises in other races.
	That gives her some power in many respects as well.
	But just listen to the message there, right?
	We all can go up and say, hey, we want to change Washington establishment.
	No kidding.
	I mean, that's not a new message.
	Like, we get it.
	We want to get as many votes as possible.
	We get it.
	Give me something new.
	Give me something vibrant.
	Give me something that we can go on that sets you apart from everybody else.
	But we're all running against the Washington establishment.
	That's not going to set you apart.
	Where do you stand right now on the Trump v. Ron DeSantis thing that seems to be the flavor on the right?
	I don't get it.
	I know who I'm supporting, but why do we have to anoint somebody now?
	Why can't we just have a primary like we did in 2015?
	Who's driving this, Grant?
	It's the anti-Trump crowd that's driving it.
	They want to just push Trump out and they know that even the mainstream media will jump to back Ron DeSantis because if it hurts President Trump, they'll do anything they can to hurt President Trump.
	So you asked me where I am.
	You know me, Seb.
	I love President Trump.
	I'll go to battle for this guy.
	So he's my guy going all the way into 2024.
	Now with that said, Ron DeSantis is a great governor.
	I don't have anything against Ron DeSantis.
	I'm not going to come and smash him.
	I'm not going to say he's not doing a great job as governor.
	But just so Ron DeSantis knows, I'm with President Trump.
	Now if he beats him fair and square in a primary, then I'll go and I'll support Ron DeSantis.
	But I'll do everything I can to make sure President Trump wins.
	Now what does President Trump need to do in the next few months before things really hot up?
	One thing you keep hearing all the time, and I don't know if it's AstroTurfed or not is that you hear people who are allegedly MAGA saying, oh, oh, oh, he's got to stop pushing the vaccines and he's betrayed us on vaccines.
	As far as I recall, in the last three years, he said, yeah, warp speed, we did amazing things, but your body, your choice.
	So where do you stand on tweaks he has to make in terms of messaging?
	You know, honestly, I'm really against this vaccine, Seb, and I've seen, just there was a Cleveland Clinic study that said three times boosted, you now have a greater chance of catching COVID than if you've never had a vaccine.
	I think if President Trump was honest about that and said, hey, look, I'm following the advice of what I thought was science, of who the people I thought I could trust, we pushed it out, it was an unbelievable feat, but this thing, I'm totally disappointed.
	If he did that, I think he'd probably be in good shape there, but even more than that, I think President Trump needs to recapture positive energy that he had.
	Alright, I don't want to mean this to sound corny, but if you remember going back to 2015 and the election cycle of 2016, it was so upbeat, it was so positive, it was grabbing America back, people were engaged, people were smiling.
	It's really hard to smile right now because everything is going so bad and they're just attacking President Trump, but he's got to somehow figure out a way to bring back that smile, that positive energy that he had.
	And then just expand with it across the country and go out on the rally circuit and I think he gets catapulted, he's already at the top, but he gets catapulted even further to the top.
	But is that a style thing?
	Because it's hard to be positive when you look at, you know, Chinese balloons, open border, 9% inflation, fentanyl, 110,000 deaths.
	Is it just him being more positive or what else can he do?
	I'm not sure it's even that he's got to be positive.
	He's got to be.
	You and I were just talking about how we hate is scripted, right?
	I said I scripted my Newsmax show.
	You said you did that in the beginning and now the both of us, we don't really script our TV shows anymore.
	I love President Trump when he's unscripted.
	When he's just going, even if it's negative and he's able to make a joke here or there, you know, some of these recent releases, I understand they're important topics he's talking about, but it's not the President Trump that I want to see.
	I want to see the President Trump talking about all those important topics in front of a giant crowd and making people laugh and going off the cuff and triggering the media and all of these things.
	And you start to snowball that, I think he's unbeatable.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's the funnest part of any Trump event, any Trump rally, it's when he goes off the teleprompter.
	The hardest job in the White House is the young man who had to run the teleprompter and say, where did he go?
	When's he coming back?
	That was one of the toughest jobs.
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	Michigan shooter was a gun felon.
	Mm-hmm.
	Schlichter The Truth About Nikki Haley.
	Yep, and Grant.
	Ron DeSantis versus President Trump.
	So-- And then, um, Ryan Petty is coming on.
	For C?
	Yeah, to C. Okay.
	Do you know who that is, Eric?
	I do not.
	He's the father of one of the children killed at the, um, Stoneman High School five years ago today.
	Oh, okay.
	Alrighty then.
	Oh, yeah, I gave that.
	Okay.
	It's going to be phone.
	It's going to be phone.
	It's going to be phone.
	Really quick, if you could just sum it up, does this strike, all these developments strike you together as ominous?
	Yes they do, because it shows, certainly the Chinese balloon intrusion shows an utter disregard and disrespect for the United States by floating that over our most sensitive facilities.
	That's a fact.
	Gordon Chang, one of the few people we rely upon to help us understand the threat, the strategic, the peer-level threat of communist China.
	We're going to talk to him for the whole third hour.
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	Do you remember that moment during the State of the Union where he really stepped in it?
	And the GOP, they booed him, they screamed at him, at least MTG did, that he was a liar when he said, the Republicans want to get rid of your Social Security and your Medicare.
	Well, where did that come from?
	I think we now know.
	Ron Klein was on a certain formerly funny late-night TV show, the former chief of staff for the Biden White House, and listen to what he said last night.
	Cut five.
	Look, if you don't want to be accused of trying to cut Social Security and Medicare, maybe you shouldn't try to cut Social Security and Medicare, okay?
	Harry Truman, you know, was called, give them hell, Harry.
	And Harry Truman once famously said, I don't give them hell, I just tell the truth about them, and it feels like hell.
	And that's what that moment felt like at the State of the Union.
	You wouldn't know truth if it slapped you on your large ample behind, Ron Klein.
	Hey, Mr. G, I think we know who wrote that part of the speech now, don't we?
	Who's that?
	Ron Kline.
	Of course it is.
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	Look how happy he was talking about it too.
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	Another shooting, Michigan State.
	Why was it that the identity of the individual guilty of committing that act was hidden from the public for such a long time?
	And of course we now find out what.
	He was a convicted felon with firearms charges on his record.
	Known to the authorities.
	Another instance of somebody who should not have been able to do what he did.
	Also, the latest national economic figures.
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	This is about guns and the proliferation of guns, the continued proliferation of guns. the continued proliferation of guns.
	And Gene Robinson about the fact that you can't even get the most basic of reforms put in place.
	You know, 90% of Americans, let me say it again, support universal background checks.
	But the people stopping that?
	They'd rather talk about the three trans athletes in Utah.
	They'd rather talk about the 0.003% of the population that's driving them crazy.
	They'd rather talk about gas stoves before they would rather talk about Dr. Seuss.
	Thank you.
	We have him.
	Oh, Conrad?
	Yes, sir.
	Greetings.
	The piece for the New York Sun, is that submitted but not published yet?
	That's right, but it'll go in as is.
	Okay, good.
	All right, then let's bring up the Maurice Duplessis and General McNaughton.
	Okay.
	We'll come in with Lloyd Austin, Eric, cut one, and then we'll go straight to Conrad.
	We also have that Nixon cut and an FDR cut.
	Oh good, let me hear the Nixon and FDR cuts.
	Here's Nixon.
	Fifteen years ago, North Vietnam, with the logistical support of Communist China and the Soviet Union, launched a campaign to impose a Communist government on South Vietnam by instigating and supporting a revolution.
	In response to the request of the government of South Vietnam, President Eisenhower sent economic aid and military equipment to assist the people of South Vietnam in their efforts to prevent a communist takeover.
	And here's FDR.
	It can be asserted properly and categorically that the United States has no right or reason to encourage talk of peace until the day shall come When there is a clear intention on the part of the aggressor nations to abandon all thought of dominating or conquering the world.
	Oh, that's so good.
	Come in with that, and then I'll tee up Lloyd Austin.
	Oh, so come in with FDR?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	All right.
	FDR, no-liners.
	Good clip.
	Good clip.
	What a voice, too.
	My goodness.
	Yeah.
	Okay, Sebastian.
	This is going to be a cultural shock for me, going from Lloyd Austin to Mr. Nixon and FDR.
	I hope you're sitting down in a very comfortable, sturdy chair.
	I'm staring at the... I don't make this up.
	The small busts on my desk of Roosevelt and Nixon.
	Fabulous.
	All right.
	Standby.
	Perfect.
	take 10 seconds.
	It
	can be asserted properly and categorically that the United States has no right or reason to encourage talk of peace until the day shall come when there is a clear intention on the part of the aggressor nations to abandon all thought of dominating or conquering the world.
	It feels as if it were an alternate universe where statesmen were statesmen when the message to the enemies of civilization was clear.
	Now, as the last nine days have demonstrated, we have a very different situation.
	That was FDR.
	Now we will listen to a man who was formerly a board member I want to be clear.
	The three objects taken down this weekend are very different from what we were talking about last week.
	of defense.
	He landed yesterday in Brussels and had this peculiar statement to make on the shoot downs of enemy vehicles in our airspace.
	I want to be clear.
	The three objects taken down this weekend are very different from what we were talking about last week.
	We knew exactly what that was.
	A PRC surveillance balloon.
	As we have said, we do not assess that the recent objects pose any direct threat to the people on the ground, and we will continue to focus on confirming their nature and purpose.
	We will continue to focus on confirming their nature and purpose.
	In English, this administration shot down three aerial vehicles without knowing what they were, where they came from, or what their purpose is.
	Not very reassuring.
	Let's talk to a man who's written numerous books on American presidents, including a Franklin Delano Roosevelt champion of freedom, Lord Conrad Black.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thank you very much, Sebastian.
	Now, you have an impending, you have a piece that is imminent to be published with the New York Sun.
	I'll just read the first excellent sentence.
	There is something both ludicrous and appropriate to the controversy over shooting down balloons and quote objects in the last week.
	Almost none of it makes any sense.
	Please expand.
	Well, I think there's a consensus that the first incident was clearly an initiative in espionage conducted by China.
	I mean, we're awaiting the raising up from a depth of a little less than 50 feet offshore South Carolina, the payload of that balloon.
	But there seems to be a high level of official confidence that that's what it was.
	And the Chinese have acknowledged it was their balloon, though they have denied that it had an espionage purpose.
	But the rest of it is just like a fantasy land.
	We have no idea what these things were.
	And I guess what the Secretary of Defense said in Brussels was accurate as far as it goes, but I think All Americans who follow these things, and Canadians too, because, you know, one of the objects was shot down over Canada.
	Yes.
	And by a squadron of planes, including Canadian planes, although the missile was actually fired by an American plane.
	And the other one, the last one in Lake Huron, those are international waters.
	I'm not sure whether it was Technically in Canada or the U.S., but it was effectively in both.
	And I think we all want to know what they were, and I just think we would probably seek a higher, a more reassuring statement from the Secretary of Defense that these were either matters to be taken seriously and investigated accordingly, or that this was effectively
	an exercise, a public relations exercise being conducted in the aftermath of the, as far as I'm concerned, inadequately explained toleration of the Chinese espionage balloon being permitted to float all the way, I think approximately 4,000 inadequately explained toleration of the Chinese espionage balloon being permitted to float all the way, I think approximately 4,000 miles from the
	And, I mean, since it was an espionage balloon, I understand this business about being concerned about...
	Damage to people on the ground, injuring people or killing people on the ground if the debris fell on them.
	But, I mean, the Aleutian Islands, Alaska, Northern Canada, Northern... Or even Montana!
	There are hardly any people there.
	I mean, issue a warning that something may fall out of the sky and tell people to look out for it, or go to their basement or whatever they want to do.
	And shoot it down.
	You don't sit there for five days as the media of the world amuse themselves talking about this espionage balloon traversing our continent.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Now, in your impending article, you talk of a Canadian instance.
	You talk about a certain Minister of National Defence, General Andrew McNaughton, and then the long-serving Premier of Quebec.
	Will you tell us about this fascinating Canadian story?
	Well, in April 7th, as I recall, of 1945, General McNaughton, who had been the Canadian commander in Europe and was a very admired and serious general.
	He wasn't some quartermaster doling out the spirit issue and new pairs of socks to people at home.
	He was a proper combat officer in both world wars.
	He was the Minister of Defense, and he wrote the Premier of Quebec warning him that balloons made of, and I quote, strong paper had been sent off by the Japanese and were designed to descend upon northern Quebec and drop incendiary bombs in the forests of northern Quebec, and they might also be used for purposes of bacteriological warfare.
	But he did reassure the Premier of Quebec.
	This, by the way, was the same Premier portrayed in a cameo role in the famous movie Rosemarie with Nelson Eddie and Jeanette Macdonald, Premier de Plessis.
	He assured him that these balloons made of strong paper and carrying incendiary bombs and possibly bacteriological warfare units were not carrying soldiers.
	I mean, why it would possess men of the intelligence of General McNaughton to tell a serious person like the Premier of Quebec that paper balloons launched from Japan and propelled by the airway did not, whatever else they might be intended to do, did not carry soldiers.
	It just sort of astounds me.
	And Duplessis himself, the recipient of the letter, was so incredulous, he felt he had to acknowledge it.
	But he threw in, just because it was a topical subject, that Quebec did not wish any concentration camps for Japanese POWs set up within its borders.
	I mean, it was like a It was like an exchange between two children in a pretend drama, you know?
	Like playing post office.
	Only one's the defense minister and the other's the premier of a province.
	I mean, it's just nonsense.
	But there is an element of the absurd in some of what we saw last week.
	Now, as somebody who's north of the border, who's done business across the globe, ran an international media empire, how is this being read?
	What do you think, in other capitals, friendly and unfriendly, are the conclusions being drawn on the last nine days in US politics?
	Well, I think on the first balloon that was shot down off South Carolina, nobody disputes that it has been acknowledged a Chinese balloon.
	I think most opinion would be skeptical that China is accounting honestly for it.
	But there is widespread astonishment that the United States would tolerate this, drifting all the way across the country before it was shot down.
	The U.S. and Canada.
	I mean, Canada should have shot it down once.
	I mean, presumably they were.
	NORAD is a joint venture, and they would be aware of it at the same time the U.S. was.
	But, you know, frankly, people in the world don't care too much about Canadian airspace, but they're a little taken aback that the Americans would be tolerating this thing, drifting over the missile silos in North Dakota and so on.
	But I think that's...
	I think I have no standing to speak for the world, but my impression is that people are surprised that the U.S. administration is treating the whole thing in such a cavalier manner and doesn't really seem to take it seriously at all.
	And then has compounded it by leaping from complacency to overkill and scrambling very sophisticated fighter planes and interceptors of both countries into the air to shoot down random, unidentified objects where even after they've been unidentified objects where even after they've been brought down, we have no real idea what they were.
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	Communications about balloons carrying Japanese soldiers.
	I'm sorry, were they what?
	Ever ridiculed or made fun of?
	Well, no, it was, you know, the war was on, and so it was confidential correspondence, so it never got into the public domain until I revealed it when I wrote my book about Duplessis.
	I came across it in his archives.
	I could hardly believe my eyes.
	I thought it was a joke.
	Oh, my gosh.
	It clearly wasn't.
	I mean, I had the letterhead of the Minister of National Defense, and at that time, at the end of World War II, The Canadian Defense Department deployed an army of a million men, the third largest navy in the world, because the German and Japanese and French and Italian navies had largely been sunk, and we had a large air force, too.
	I think we had the fourth air force in the world after the big three.
	So it was a serious department run by a serious person with a serious Prime Minister, Mr. King, who held that office for 22 years.
	You know, what you said, putting on Nixon and Roosevelt like that, it just reminds you, and of course the times were different, but it reminds you of the erosion of the moral credibility of the President speaking on national security matters.
	Utterly, utterly, utterly.
	Let's come in with Nixon, Eric, all right?
	You know, do we have a moment more, Sebastian?
	Yes, two minutes.
	You know, in his famous great arsenal of democracy speech, Roosevelt said, the people and government of the United States ...will not be deterred or distracted from doing what our clear national interest and unmistakable moral duty require.
	We must be the great arsenal of democracy.
	I mean, that speech was listened to by 80% of adult Americans listen to or read, and over 70% approved of it.
	I mean, at least in that terrible crisis in 1940, We had, at the head of our civilization, Mr. Churchill and Mr. Roosevelt, who were capable of mobilizing opinion and personifying, to a large extent, the civilization we're trying to defend.
	80%.
	That is remarkable.
	Remarkable.
	All right, we'll talk about the presidential race.
	We'll come in with Nixon, and then I'm going to tee up the Cut 2 from Nikki Haley, Eric.
	Cut 2 from Nikki Haley?
	Yes.
	Okay, yeah, I'm trying to get these things you've sent me here.
	But that's for the next interview.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	All right, so come with Nixon and you'll tee up Haley.
	Yeah, come in with Nixon and I'll tee up Haley.
	By the way, I thought you'd enjoy the thing about even General Marshall taking seriously the idea that these Japanese planes were flying over Los Angeles.
	I mean, it's a strange, you know, war does things, strange things, even to very sensible people.
	Strange things.
	Stand by.
	Strange things.
	Strange things.
	Fifteen years ago, North Vietnam, with the logistical support of Communist China and the Soviet Union, launched a campaign to impose a communist government on South Vietnam by instigating and supporting a revolution.
	In response to the request of the government of South Vietnam, President Eisenhower sent economic aid and military equipment to assist the people of South Vietnam in their efforts to prevent a communist takeover.
	It may be another century, it may only be 50 years ago, but it feels like a millennia ago.
	Where are the statesmen?
	Let's talk to a man who has documented and chronicled them, including President Nixon, the author of numerous presidential histories.
	Most recently, Donald J. Trump, a president like no other.
	He is Lord Conrad Black.
	Lord Black, am I just being nostalgic?
	I just don't see robust speeches of the ilk of either FDR or Nixon today, especially when it comes to national security.
	What's happened?
	Well, of course, that's a complicated question to answer.
	But I think, in part, the end of the Cold War caused a large part of the West to allow its strategic sense simply to go to sleep.
	We weren't under any particular threat.
	And so our energies were focused elsewhere.
	And we were, as a civilization taking the whole Western world, some greater laggards than others, but we were very slow to recognize the rising threat of China.
	And so we're not in the habit of addressing National security concerns with the urgency that was obviously required during World War II with President Roosevelt, and is certainly required through the Cold War with a succession of presidents, including Mr. Nixon.
	And we're just sort of getting back into it a bit now.
	Now, add to that, this is, and I must say, I think Secretary Austin Um, at least unlike most people in that administration that you see does have A well-developed strategic sense.
	And I know some members of the Defense Policy Board who are not Democrats, but are somewhat impressed with him.
	So I find him in a reassuring presence, apart from his nonsense about critical race theory being taught in the armed forces and that sort of thing.
	But he does seem to identify the American national interest and be concerned with it.
	So does the CIA Director Burns.
	And so up to a point is the National Security Advisor Sullivan, from what I've seen.
	But the President himself and his immediate entourage are, from what I can see, quite worrisome and still more or less asleep on that issue.
	But we have not had speakers of the forensic talent of Roosevelt, apart from Ronald Reagan, And Mr. Nixon was a very good speaker, too.
	I will say, President Trump, I think, recognized the strategic requirements of the country, addressed them, and while he was a very good speaker in some ways, he never mastered, or at least not in his first term,
	The ability to mobilize the country with those specific addresses on strategic matters that Roosevelt and Nixon, but a number of others, President Kennedy, President Eisenhower, President Johnson, all possessed.
	President Kennedy's address on the Cuban Missile Crisis was a very, very fine speech.
	Maybe we'll have to re-instigate the fireside chat for a second Trump term.
	We'll talk about the competition for the Chief Executive in a moment.
	I want to just thank our listeners across the nation for your support for the people suffering in Turkey and Syria and Anatolia.
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	In your latest piece, you end the discussion with hypothesizing Biden running against President Trump and you end by saying Trump can surely win the rematch.
	Others have stepped into the fold.
	Nikki Haley announcing this morning and just before He still has a lot of popularity.
	If he runs again in 2024, will you support him?
	Yes.
	If he decides that he's going to run, would that preclude any sort of run that you would possibly make yourself?
	say at a public press event, cuts two.
	He still has a lot of popularity.
	If he runs again in 2024, will you support him?
	If he decides that he's going to run, would that preclude any sort of run that you would possibly make yourself?
	I would not run if President Trump ran.
	I would not run in 2024 if President Trump ran.
	I guess her word is not her bond.
	Lord Black, what are you expecting for 2024?
	A rematch of 2015, which was rather fun, rather enjoyable.
	A full, full slate of potential nominees and a rather robust debate.
	Or do you expect something a little bit more smaller in scope?
	I think Governor Haley is running really for Vice President.
	Yes.
	And there's nothing wrong with that, because I think that position is wide open, and she would have a legitimate claim.
	I think if she were the nominee, no matter who the presidential nominee was, I think people would accept that Governor or Ambassador Haley was a well-qualified person to be the Vice President.
	I won't labor the obvious to your listeners by making any comparison with the incumbent, but I think as to what I expect, it seems to me as of now, and of course these things are notoriously capable of changing, but I think President Trump has been strengthened appreciably by the complete dilution into absurdity of this nonsense about classified documents.
	I mean, there is no chance, zero, none, that President Trump or President Biden Or Vice President Pence violated the Espionage Act.
	The whole thing is utter nonsense, invented by the tactical and strategic managers of the Democratic Party to damage Trump and the Republicans coming into the midterm election period.
	And it is a well-deserved thing.
	They've created a monster that has turned on them.
	But it's now a declining issue, and it's not leading anywhere.
	But I think that as that settles down, it becomes harder to vilify Trump in the outrageous way that the Democratic smear machine and their media did as a profoundly corrupt and unsuitable holder of a high office.
	And I think that's an assistance to him.
	And at the same time, the steady, oozing out, sluggish and filthy details of the skilduggery of the Biden family financially is doing considerable damage to the Democrats and particularly to their sluggish and filthy details of the skilduggery of the Biden family financially is doing considerable damage So I would say that... We're out of time, but I think we could spend another few hours on the separation of the details of corruption.
	We've been talking to Lord Conrad Black, the New York Sun.
	Read him there and follow him at ConradMBlack.
	This is America First.
	America First
	And I've got a photograph of myself with Reagan and Mulroney.
	And then I've got family members and dogs and stuff.
	But those are the statesmen I've got.
	What scale are the busts?
	Oh, they're little.
	I mean, they're the... Like half scale?
	Yeah, they're the... Less than half.
	They're about... The FDR is about six inches.
	You know, from his neck to the top of his head, and Mr. Lincoln is a little, slightly smaller, and Nixon is slightly smaller still, but not large.
	Don't forget- I'll tell you this though, the bust of FDR was given to me by the owner of the Argosy bookstore in New York, and her father had owned it, who knew FDR, and it was given by FDR to him.
	Wow!
	The Lincoln one I bought at the Lincoln Memorial, right after I, for the first time, had lunch with Kay Graham, and the Nixon one was bought by a friend of mine, the famous historian Andrew Roberts, my colleague in the House of Lords, at the Nixon Library, and he gave it to me.
	So there's a bit of history to all of it.
	Now, next time you're at the Lincoln Memorial, you have to go underneath it.
	Have you ever been underneath it?
	I have not, I must say.
	It's a massive catacomb that runs the length of the reflecting pool.
	We'll get you under there.
	It's fascinating.
	Well, I'm accustomed to seeing my friend Sebastian Gorka walking in front of the Lincoln Memorial.
	That's the old me.
	That's 40, 42 pounds bigger.
	That's the old version.
	I will not put it off to tomorrow as soon as I can do it today.
	Please don't forget to send me the galleys.
	I can't wait to read the galleys of your book.
	I'll do it.
	Look, you don't care about the footnotes, do you?
	No!
	If you don't care about the footnotes, I can send them now.
	Yeah, please.
	Please, please, please.
	I mean, not now, but in the next day or two.
	Perfect.
	Thanks, Conrad.
	God bless.
	Alright, I'll call up the next guest.
	He's already on the line, right?
	Oh, he's also phone.
	Oh, sorry.
	I forgot.
	How do you get under the Lincoln Memorial?
	You have to know the Secretary of the Interior.
	Ryan Zinke.
	And then the park rangers let you under it.
	It's something else.
	We'll have to wait till 2025.
	Never wear a striped jacket on TV.
	Do these people not get the memo?
	You cannot wear a tightly striped jacket or tie or shirt on television.
	Thank you.
	No violence.
	No hate speech.
	Just Happy Warriors on America First!
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	Remember the State of the Union?
	How many times the Commander-in-Chief screamed at the nation?
	There was one moment where he let the cat out of the bag again, talking about a recent violent gun event in California.
	Cut eight, play cut.
	...wrestled a semi-automatic pistol away from a gunman who had already killed 11 people in another dance studio. 11.
	He saved lives.
	It's time we do the same.
	Banned assault weapons now!
	Ban them now!
	Once and for all!
	Wants to ban them?
	I think criminals aren't allowed to have them.
	We found out the college shooting in Michigan State was executed by a felon who had already been charged and convicted of a firearms offense.
	Didn't stop him from doing what he did.
	Let's ask a man who's paid the ultimate penalty five years ago today.
	It is, of course, the anniversary of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting with 17 killed there.
	We are joined by Ryan Petty, who lost his beautiful daughter that day.
	Mr. Petty, welcome to America First.
	It's great to be with you, Dr. Corker.
	I can't believe my wife reminded me this morning on Valentine's Day that it has been five years to the day since that tragedy occurred, where you lost your beautiful 14-year-old daughter, Eliana.
	Please, first, before we begin to talk about what needs to be done, would you say a few words about your lovely daughter?
	Oh, yeah.
	Boy, you know, today, there's something about the anniversaries.
	We miss Elena every day.
	There's a hole in our hearts that we can't fill and a hole in our family that nothing we can do seems to satisfy it.
	But we miss her.
	We love her.
	What a wonderful young lady.
	I'm just so grateful for the 14 years that I had with her.
	I learned a lot from her.
	Now, I know it's supposed to be the other way around.
	I'm sure I taught her a few things, but I learned how strong she was.
	I learned how much she, in her 14 years, loved this country and wanted to serve this country.
	And she had this innate sense of right and wrong.
	And to honor her, I have taken up the mantle, as it were, to try to make sure this stuff stops happening, these attacks.
	You've worked very closely with Senators Hatch, Marco Rubio, with the Governor of Florida, but your approach is very different.
	It's far more practical.
	So can you tell us what you're focusing on?
	You're not focusing on penalizing law-abiding gun owners.
	How do you think we can stop the next such event?
	Well, I'll tell you what we're doing in Florida, because I think it's a recipe.
	Is it perfect?
	No.
	Nothing will ever be perfect.
	You can't prevent 100% of these tragedies.
	But what we're doing in Florida is we have armed guardians and armed law enforcement on every campus.
	We have asked our school districts to lock the gates and lock the doors and lock the classrooms during school.
	And we are using a technique that's used by the Secret Service to protect the President called Behavioral Threat Assessment and Management.
	And we look for those tips.
	90% of these attackers signal their intentions prior to their attack.
	And that information is called leakage.
	And we can use that to identify them.
	and divert them off this pathway to pathway to violence.
	Mr. Petty, can you just tell us before we have to end, where can people find out more about your approach?
	One of the best places to find information is the Florida Department of Education.
	I'm a Florida State Board member appointed by Governor DeSantis.
	On there we've got an Office of Safe Schools and there you can find Everything you need to know about what Florida is doing to protect schools, and I wish every state in the union would replicate what we're doing.
	Well, we will keep Alana in our prayers.
	I think one more thing we might need for our schools is a good watchdog like I can hear in the back there.
	Thank you, Mr. Petty.
	The Office of Safe Schools.
	Go to the Florida State Government website.
	The Office of State Schools.
	There is a model.
	There is a system.
	God bless you, Ryan Petty.
	Let's get you back for a longer discussion.
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	Alright, the administration seems to be banging the drum that everything's amazing!
	Did you just hear the State of the Union address?
	If you look at the news coverage, inflation is not where it should be.
	It has risen another half a percent in January, expected to go up.
	More than 6.4% from a year ago.
	However, we know somebody who can tell us if this is the end of the train or if it will go further.
	He is former advisor to the Trump campaign, the author of Trumponomics, Stephen Moore.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Hi, Sebastian.
	Good to be with you.
	All right, so let me just read to you proof that those in high office live in an alternate reality.
	This is CNBC Op-Ed.
	U.S.
	inflation and jobs report shows fastest recovery in 30 years under Biden.
	That's written by Celia Rouse, the chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisers.
	How much can they deny the reality, Stephen?
	Well, that isn't even close to being true.
	I mean, by the way, one of the fastest recoveries ever was what happened in the second half of 2020 before Biden took office, where the economy grew by over 11% in six months.
	So that was an extraordinary And that makes me so angry, Sebastian, when I hear Biden say I took over from an economic disaster.
	No, we didn't.
	We were growing like gangbusters in the second half of 2020 after we reopened the economy.
	And then we had the vaccine that was going to allow people to go back to work.
	So this has been a good jobs recovery, no question about it.
	But the big issue right now is inflation, what I call Biden inflation, and the issue of shrinking family incomes, which is causing more and more people to go further into debt and dig into their 401k plans and diminish whatever savings they have.
	So let me just clarify here.
	I'm not the economist, you're the economist.
	Is allowing people to go back to work, is that the same as creating jobs?
	Well, we knew that once we got the... Remember, you remember this very well, Sebastian, that in 2018 and 2019, and through the very beginning of 2020, the US economy is booming under Trump policies.
	I mean, I used to tell Trump, you know, I never thought it could be this good.
	And it was great.
	And then of course, you know, COVID came and we had to shut down everything for four or five months.
	And I think that was a mistake.
	I think President Trump agrees that was a big mistake.
	But we were on a road to recovery.
	I'm frustrated because I really believe if Trump were still president today, we wouldn't be talking about 6.5% inflation.
	We wouldn't be talking about $4 a gallon gasoline.
	We wouldn't be talking about an out-of-control border.
	We wouldn't be talking about drawing down oil from our strategic petroleum reserves.
	Do I have to keep going on?
	No, no, no.
	But answer me this.
	How deleterious is it
	that to kind of slowly kick-starting things or reining back the insanity before a second Trump administration that Mitch McConnell basically negotiated away the power of the purse and we may have won the midterms but the house can't control anything because we have this you know this omnibus that stretches till September does this mean that
	You know, the insanity has to continue until September, Stephen.
	Well, look, Republicans don't really have control of the House.
	They have a very, very I mean, they have a control of the House.
	But of course, the Senate's still under Democratic control.
	I mean, to me, the top priority right now of House Republicans has to be to stop the Biden obscene spending spree that's that's added four point $3 trillion to our debt in two years.
	By the way, don't you love Biden saying that I'm bringing down the deficit?
	What the hell is he talking about?
	I mean, we've never had two more years of such financially reckless policies in our country's history, and he's saying he's bringing down the deficit. - Yeah.
	So what, give us a recipe.
	We're going to have a longer discussion with you later this week in studio, but just give us a teaser.
	If we're back in control of both the House and the Senate, if we win the presidential election in 2024, where do you begin?
	How quickly can you reverse the trend?
	Well, it depends a lot on which Republican you're talking about.
	I mean, if it's Donald Trump, I mean, my God, you know, that guy knows better than just about anybody in the country how to revive an economy.
	So, you know, I don't know if he will win the Republican nomination.
	I mean, you have a lot of other good candidates and Ron DeSantis and others.
	But, you know, look, I've got to say, Republicans are not blameless in this massive thirty one trillion dollar debt.
	You know, they like to play Santa Claus, too.
	So we will see.
	But we've got to get back to the energy independence.
	We've got to get government debt spending under control.
	We've got to be producing all of our energy.
	We can't move forward with an out-of-control budget.
	I mean, out-of-control budget and out-of-control border.
	Fixing a lot of these problems is just a layoff.
	You know what you need to do?
	You just get back to the Trump policies that Biden has reversed.
	It's not magic.
	You don't need a wand to do it.
	You just need to stop the insanity and get back to what President Trump was doing with the advice of this man.
	He writes for the Wall Street Journal.
	By the way, you know, let's not forget the inflation rate in the four years that Donald Trump was office.
	You know what the inflation rate was?
	Under two.
	Well, like 1.95%.
	Yeah.
	You know, and that's unbelievable.
	How do you take the inflation rate from 1.5% to 9% in 18 months?
	Only Biden can do that.
	That's what we have learned in the last two years.
	And I've learned from you.
	Read his articles in the Wall Street Journal.
	He's a co-founder of the Committee for Prosperity and Distinguished Fellow at the Heritage Foundation.
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	Biden doubles down.
	Did you notice, in the State of the Union speech last month, Biden doubled down on his spending plans, adding even more to the federal deficit.
	That doesn't bode well for the value of your money.
	Sebastian Gorka here.
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	10 days ago we were led to believe that our skies are clear and now all of a sudden we've got spy balloons and unidentified objects raining down on us like confetti.
	Senator Kennedy he's always got Some pithy comment ready.
	We're watching the press conference from that overweight windbag, that CRT lover and BLM panderer, Mark Milley, who has... They actually showed the footage.
	This is incredible.
	Absolutely stunning.
	Each sidewinder missile costs $400,000.
	Over Lake Huron, the first one missed.
	The first missile, the price of a nice house, missed.
	And they had to use another missile to shoot it down.
	Absolutely stunning.
	All right.
	We've got one more cut we have to play.
	It's a disgusting one.
	We're talking about what happened at Michigan State.
	We're talking about the anniversary of the Stoneman Douglas massacre.
	And who's to blame?
	Is it the criminals?
	Is it the lenient prosecutors who let that killer back onto the streets?
	No, of course it's you, dear Republican.
	Cut four.
	This is about guns and the proliferation of guns, the continued proliferation of guns, and Gene Robinson about the fact that you can't, I mean, you can't even get the most basic of reforms put in place.
	You know, 90% of Americans, let me say it again, support universal background checks.
	But the people stopping that?
	They'd rather talk about the three trans athletes in Utah.
	They'd rather talk about the 0.003% of the population that's driving them crazy.
	They'd rather talk about gas stoves before they would rather talk about Dr. Seuss.
	That's good to know that trans only makes up 0.003% of the population.
	Thank you, Joe Scarborough!
	And by the way, there is no such thing as a lack of universal gun checks.
	Try going to a gun store now and buy a gun without a gun check, without a background check.
	I guarantee you something.
	None of the criminals that have committed these acts of recent days got their guns legally and nobody who's shooting between a dozen and twenty people every weekend in Chicago has gone through any kind of background check unless counting the cash out of the back of a car's trailer out of the trunk of a car in a car park when you buy that illegal gun is a background check for you.
	These people have no shame.
	All right, let's drill down on what it all means.
	Three vehicles intercepted that were small, unidentified, didn't know where they came from.
	One massive one shot down off the coast of South Carolina.
	How is Beijing leveraging all of that?
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	All right, so we've done one 60 seconder.
	Here's a 30 second Biden doubles down.
	You ready, Alex?
	Sebastian Gorka here.
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	Alright, here's another 60 false figures.
	Sebastian Gorka here with a warning for you.
	Don't believe everything the Biden administration tells you.
	Recently they claimed more than 500,000 new jobs were created.
	But what about the 300 tech companies laying off more than 100,000 workers?
	Where are those figures reflected?
	You know that your personal finances are worse now than they were when Biden took office, and record inflation has lowered the value of your money.
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	Okay, another 30.
	Worse off now.
	This is the same one.
	Worse off now, isn't it?
	I guess not.
	Sebastian Gorka here.
	You know that your personal finances are worse now than when they were...
	Sebastian Gorka here.
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	Chinese balloons.
	Four vehicles shot down in just a handful of days.
	What does it all mean?
	Let's resort to somebody whose analysis on the number one strategic threat to America we trust implicitly.
	He's Gordon Chang.
	Gordon, welcome back to America First One on One.
	Thank you so much, Dr. G. All right, you've got to follow this man right off the bat at Gordon G Chang.
	You've got to check out his latest publication, The Great U.S.-China Tech War.
	But let's start with propaganda, Gordon.
	Let's start with the The smooth IO, the information operations that China is engaged in.
	This is a TikTok video I found yesterday on Monday.
	I used it on the show and it's pretty good.
	It is making a mockery of Biden's military actions against the Chinese surveillance vessel.
	Play cut. Play cut.
	Play cut.
	I have to start by saying, Gordon, that's pretty slick.
	That's pretty good information operations.
	Yes, this is about the third phase of China's propaganda on this.
	The first phase was to say, we regret the incident.
	And, you know, it's just a weather balloon, right?
	Second phase was to get really upset, threatened retaliation.
	And the third phase has been mockery.
	The fourth phase, which we learned on Monday, was that, oh, the United States has been sending spy balloons over China in 2022, which is obviously untrue.
	But this very slick video is phase three.
	What does it mean?
	I was asked at the weekend on Twitter Spaces about this multiplicity of official accounts coming out of Beijing.
	My answer was, and I'm not the expert you are, that it's pretty much par for the course.
	First it's dissembling, oh that's just a civilian Uh, weather balloon, as if there is such a thing as a civilian weather balloon in communist China.
	Then it's escalating all the way to we want an apology and then America did it.
	This kind of back and forth, this twisting of the narrative every 24 hours, that's pretty usual, isn't it, Gordon?
	Yes, it is.
	And this balloon incident shows you that quick changes in Chinese propaganda.
	They've been going through a number of them.
	They're different.
	They've played at different audiences.
	But China has actually been fairly effective because you hear a lot of people in the US parrot a lot of what Beijing has been saying.
	Now, we've been debating, or the mainstream has been debating, what that first balloon was doing, this massive, this 200-foot balloon, why it was stopping over those various very sensitive sites, such as the missile sites.
	For me, and I'm not an expert on satellites, but I do understand a little bit about grand strategy and information operations, the issue for me is less The technical capabilities of the platform, because we know they have hundreds of spy satellites with very advanced capabilities in the upper atmosphere.
	The issue more is the probing test of our national security architecture, the lack of response until the first vessel was over the water and had executed its surveillance mission.
	And then beyond that, the tertiary effect for me is how this Ostensibly successful surveillance mission over our sovereign airspace.
	How that is packaged for those nations China wants to intimidate or bring into its one belt one road global hegemonic system.
	It's more the how it is communicated that is rather important than exactly what was picked up.
	What is your response?
	Yeah, there's a lot to unpack there.
	First of all, China learned something from this balloon that it could not from any other platform.
	And that is it saw the reactions of certain general officers, saw the reaction of NORAD and the reaction of the Pentagon leadership in general to an obvious intrusion into American airspace.
	And so that was invaluable.
	The other thing is that, of course, its imagery is better from a balloon than from a satellite because balloons at 60,000 feet.
	Satellite is, what, four or five hundredths, maybe even higher, 100,000 feet.
	The thing, though, and that is propaganda, which you mentioned, and that is also probably one of the motives that China had.
	Because China was showing to the world that the United States was not capable of defending its own airspace.
	And really what that narrative could very well end up being is Beijing saying to other countries, look, you got to ditch the US, you got to obey China, because we're in charge and the Americans are finished.
	So there are any number of different benefits that China could have gotten from this.
	We don't know exactly the motives for this, but we have to start assuming that what we just talked about are some of the things that ran through their minds before they authorized this.
	And is there any way to connect The response or the lack of robust response from the United States until this weekend to China's putative plans for Taiwan.
	How does this connect for any kind of military action that Beijing and the CCP would take against Taiwan?
	I think the people in Taiwan should be concerned about the lack of reaction.
	You've got to remember that this balloon entered territorial U.S.
	airspace on January 28.
	Yeah.
	The Commander-in-Chief, President Biden, wasn't notified until the fourth day of the incursion.
	And that shows an inexplicable failure on the part of the senior leadership in the Pentagon to brief the Commander-in-Chief on an obvious threat.
	And as you point out, once this got into the lower 48 states, then there was the issue of harm to people on the ground if they shot this down.
	Now, if I were President Biden, I would have shot it down over Montana, but that is not an unreasonable reaction to wait until South Carolina.
	But what was unreasonable was for the Pentagon not to tell Biden while they could have shot this down over Alaska or Western Canada, where there was no people No people, no property structures there.
	So that shows the Chinese that there's a real problem in the Pentagon.
	But how does that translate to something that is happening thousands of miles away?
	So here we have a really embarrassing incident over U.S.
	territory in our sovereign airspace.
	When it comes to Taiwan, is it just, hey, look guys, they can't even decide in a matter of days how to deal with an incursion.
	How do you think they're going to deal with us sending our paratroopers or our landing craft to your shores?
	Is there a more explicit connection?
	No, I think that what you said is absolutely right.
	It shows the failure of the Pentagon to understand the Chinese threat, and whether that threat is Japan, Philippines, India, Taiwan, South Korea, or the United States.
	It just showed general officers not being able to make decisions, which they made decisions which I can't explain.
	Yeah, we will reprise that cut from the current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs later in the show that may help explain it.
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	I think the motivation intents clear here.
	They want to get imagery, get intelligence on our military capability, particularly nuclear.
	And they're building quite a nuclear stockpile themselves.
	Why do they want to do this?
	Well, they're preparing, if they don't win the elections in Taiwan next January, they are preparing for a military conflict.
	And they're trying to collect information about our military capabilities in the United States in preparation for that conflict.
	That is Michael McCaul.
	That is the Republican member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee talking about the connection between the Chinese overflights and a military action by the CCP in Taiwan.
	Gordon, let's pull back a little bit.
	Let's put it into the broader strategic context of Trend lines and peaks in activity.
	Many accusations were made after the initial incursion that, oh, well, this happened under the Trump administration and he didn't do anything about it.
	We had my former colleague, former U.S.
	defense attaché in Beijing, who was the senior director of strategy and planning in the NSC under the Trump administration, and General Spalding said, Well, that's strange, because I was the head of strategy and planning in the National Security Council for President Trump, and if there had been any incursions under our watch, the Defense Department didn't tell us.
	Either Mark Milley or the Secretary of Defense Mattis failed to inform the Commander-in-Chief, who is the elected Chief Executive of the United States.
	How do the balloon incursions fit into the last few years of US-Sino relations?
	Is this a spike?
	Is it unusual?
	Is it indicative of heightened military tension?
	Or is it something that we weren't paying attention to, but because, you know, a photographer in Montana paid attention to the sky, suddenly it's a big deal?
	Yeah, the balloon incursions that occurred during the Trump administration were not noticed by the Pentagon itself, which is the reason why General Spaulding wasn't informed.
	And that's because they appeared to be, I guess, anomalies in their radar capture, and they just didn't know what to make of it.
	But after this big spy balloon intrusion, the Pentagon said they went back on all the data they collected, they ran it through different filters, and they realized that they had incursions.
	And that's how they have been able to track these most recent three incursions, because they're now looking at a broader range of radar signatures, and finally realizing that they came here.
	That's fascinating when you think about it, because it means that the Chinese were surveilling us without our knowing about it from our own skies.
	And that means Americans shouldn't really feel safe even in their own country.
	And the fact that apparently the three that were shot down at the weekend were much, much, much smaller, the size of a small vehicle, a small car, as opposed to the prior one that traversed the nation, which was at least 200 foot wide.
	Does that in and of itself indicate a potential escalation that the Chinese feel so emboldened that now they're going to send through something that's 10, 12 times larger than any prior surveillance vessel?
	Oh, absolutely.
	This shows, it can be a number of things, Seb.
	For instance, it could be the Chinese military, which is now politically powerful in Beijing, just decided that they were going to do this on their own.
	And the Chinese military is extremely hostile, extremely anti-American.
	Or it could be Xi Jinping, as we talked about, trying to humiliate the United States.
	It could be Xi Jinping trying to distract everyone from his domestic policy failures.
	Or it could be the first attempts to intimidate the United States not to get involved in a Taiwan conflict, for instance, because China would use its nuclear weapons.
	There are any number of different explanations.
	None of them are good.
	All of them are ominous.
	And that means, as you just point out, this could be the initial stages of a kinetic war.
	Let's look at one piece of the jigsaw puzzle.
	That is the man who is currently the most senior military officer in the United States when he was Chief of Staff of the Army.
	In combat, in a camouflage uniform, he had this to say at a public event.
	Play cut.
	China's not an enemy.
	And I think that's important for people to clearly understand.
	China is a rising power.
	China has been a rising power since Deng Xiaoping in 1979.
	And they are going to develop themselves and are developing themselves into a great power.
	That is not to say, however, that they are an enemy.
	They are not our enemy.
	They are a great power.
	That is not what I learned when I was in the White House and I read the intelligence assessments for President Trump.
	I'm curious, can you give us some kind of sense of what Beijing, the CCP, the People's Liberation Army, the Communist Party think when they hear that from somebody who is now the most senior officer in the United States, General Mark Milley.
	Do they say Well, that means that this is now a tributary nation, this is now a supplicant.
	Do they think that, well, our information campaign, our disinformation campaign has worked on him?
	How do they read that kind of public statement from the man who is meant to make sure that we are ready for war?
	Yeah, I think that cut was from 2016.
	And in 2016 or so, that was generally considered to be the view in Washington and American policy circles.
	I think it was wrong then, but Milley was in very good company.
	What we have right now, though, it's clear that China is not a competitor, as President Biden says.
	They're not even an adversary, which Biden won't use that term.
	They are an enemy.
	And we should be using the same term for them that they use for us, because they have declared a quote, unquote, people's war on us.
	They did that in May 2019.
	That's a phrase which has great significance in Communist Party lingo.
	And I hope that Millie wouldn't say that today, but I'm afraid that he would.
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	There was, for decades, this idea that the more Economically open China becomes, the more politically open it will become.
	That of course is proven to be fallacious.
	If you look at what Xi Jinping has recently done for himself and basically anointed himself as the life emperor.
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	Who's responsible for that?
	Where does this incredibly naive and just counterfactual analysis of the world's largest communist dictatorship begin?
	Was it Kissinger convincing Nixon to open to China and thus put a wedge between Beijing or Moscow?
	Who sold us this Bill of Goods, Gordon?
	A lot of different people.
	You can go back to, for instance, Richard Nixon's famous article in Foreign Affairs.
	And then, of course, Nixon's overtures to China, 1972 trip.
	Kissinger was there.
	And then Bill Clinton.
	Clinton talked about, you know, you can't nail jello to a wall, which was his reference to the Communist Party's inability to control information.
	But they've done a pretty good job of that, Seb, especially with those narratives that that you pointed out in the beginning.
	So this was failure across liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans.
	You know, just about everybody believed it, because this theory sounded good, especially sounded good after the failure in the fall of the Soviet Union.
	People thought, oh, you know, this is, as Francis Fukuyama, the political scientist said, this is the end of history.
	Yeah, events will continue to occur, but democracy and free markets have won.
	Yeah, when I came into the White House, my brief, as I thought it would be, would be counterterrorism, and then it became a far broader remit.
	And when I started going to the meetings with the President at the NSC on China and so forth, I realized, yeah, he's right, that China is the number one strategic threat.
	And I looked at it as a Sisyphean task, just, you know, literally, you know, rolling a boulder uphill and then seeing it roll down every night and then having to roll it up again in the morning.
	I thought it would be hard, I mean, almost impossible to move Palo Alto, Silicon Valley, Google, Microsoft in the right direction.
	I think President Trump Actually got us quite far in waking up America.
	Question for you is, Gordon, do you agree and how much is the balloon fiasco, as it were, a red pilling, a Sputnik wake up moment for the rest of America that doesn't, you know, eat and drink geopolitics every day like we do?
	Yeah.
	I think Sputnik moment is a perfect analogy.
	You know, going back to October 1957, the Russians launched the first artificial satellite.
	I can remember my dad taking me out into the backyard at night looking for Sputnik.
	Wow.
	Yeah, I'm that old.
	But the point is that the Chinese are driving us in directions that many people don't want to go.
	But I think people are starting to see this.
	And to answer the first question you asked, yes, it was President Trump who was the first one to view China in a different light.
	Because what Trump did was he did not buy into the quote, unquote, engagement theory.
	Trump saw America first.
	Trump was not hostile to working with China, but only when it was in America's interest.
	So this is a fundamental change in thinking.
	And Trump did move us in a fairly important—it was a fundamental change.
	And I think that what we saw was A fair movement towards a much better policy.
	If he had another four years, I think we would be where we need to be.
	But the other thing that's interesting is that for all of Biden's problems, Biden has adopted many of Trump's policies.
	Not all of them, of course, on China, but some of the important ones.
	And that shows you Trump's influence on American foreign policy.
	Another four years for Trump, and we'll be okay.
	Yeah, because I don't see another politician out there who will be as tough on China as my former boss was.
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	You said something very, very telling previously, Gordon, that is commonplace for dictatorships, authoritarian regimes that have internal problems and then point at an external enemy.
	They want to distract from the very severe internal issues, especially when you have a command economy and it is on the brink of collapse.
	We saw that with the Soviet Union and elsewhere.
	You said Xi Jinping has serious domestic issues.
	Could you talk to us about those domestic issues and perhaps give us a sense of how fragile that regime could be?
	Xi Jinping's signature domestic policies, most of them have been reversed.
	So, for instance, zero COVID was abandoned on December 7th by the National Health Commission.
	And that was just shortly after he had doubled down in a very public speech supporting zero COVID.
	Let's stop there for a second.
	That in and of itself is a massive marker because dictatorial regimes very rarely say, oops, we were sorry.
	That's a big deal.
	It's enormously big deal because the Chinese people are furious.
	The Chinese people went through three years of zero COVID, which is the strictest disease control measure this side of North Korea.
	And essentially what happened was, officials tried to prevent every transmission of this disease and went to extraordinary lengths to do that.
	Chinese people accepted that, although they were many times—we saw, for instance, in the videos from Shanghai that they just burst out.
	But by and large, they accepted it.
	But when the National Health Commission abandoned the policy, the narrative across China was, why did we go through three years of zero COVID, and now the regime is letting disease rip?
	And by rip, I mean that they admitted to about 800 million infections, and it's probably a lot more within a very short period of time.
	And probably there'll be somewhere between 1 and 2 million deaths this winter from COVID in China.
	And the Chinese people are furious.
	So, but it wasn't just zero COVID, Zeb.
	It was Xi Jinping's Common Prosperity Program, which he stood behind.
	He talked about it all the time.
	Now the regime doesn't mention it at all, which is an indication it's been abandoned.
	And then the tech crackdown, which again was Xi Jinping's stamp on domestic policy, that has been at least partially alleviated.
	So we're seeing changes that are inexplicable, other than to say that Xi Jinping, his policies have been repudiated, which means that his system, if his policies are repudiated, he's been repudiated, which means that he needs a way to strike out against his Communist Party adversaries.
	And one way to do that is a war.
	We saw his hero, Xi Jinping's hero, Mao Zedong, do the same thing with the Cultural Revolution.
	Mao launched the Cultural Revolution, a decade-long campaign that almost destroyed China, because Mao wanted to get after Communist Party senior leaders who had abandoned his policies.
	So we're seeing the same thing.
	And what about the the Uyghur phenomena, what we saw earlier, the trains being filled with people against their will?
	Has that been tamped down?
	Is that under control or is that still of concern to the dictator?
	That's still ongoing.
	There has been no let up in the genocidal campaign against Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other Turkic minorities.
	These are crimes against humanity.
	There's been people, I mean, millions, between one and 3.3 or so million detained in concentration camps.
	We know people are dying in those camps, basically executed, because China actually built a crematorium between two of these concentration camps.
	Rape is a matter of official policy.
	Children are put in prisons.
	This is the most horrific policies since the Third Reich.
	And let me ask you one more before I ask for some concluding remarks.
	There's a story about this.
	It's not even a real estate bubble.
	It's these whole ghost cities.
	I've got an image of one here where Real estate exploded in the last few decades and people bought properties and then nobody moved in and the market collapsed.
	Is this tenable?
	How is this happening in China that they can so not manage the economy that they literally have cities that are empty, Gordon?
	This is one of the reasons why the Chinese people are unhappy.
	Zero COVID, stumbling economy, which is probably contracting, and plunging property prices.
	Property prices are so important for people's mentality because about 70% of the wealth of the Chinese middle class is tied up in those apartment units.
	And those apartment units, you can't sell them because no one wants to buy them.
	And if you could, the prices have fallen so far.
	So you've got an illiquid market.
	The reason they could do it, Seb, was because they control everything.
	It's a controlled economy, so they can just do things by fiat, even though they may make no economic sense.
	These dictatorships, ironically, soon relate to become incredibly fragile.
	See what happened to Ceaușescu in Romania in the space of just a few days in the December of 1989.
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	All right, I could do this for hours with you, Gordon.
	We will have an opportunity to continue in person at the biggest Conservative convocation of the year, imminently at CPAC.
	Can't wait to see you there, Gordon.
	But right after the balloon fiasco, you came on my show for a briefer You know, discussion of what should happen, none of what you said should happen, occurred.
	But I would like you, just in case someone by accident inside 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue lands on this program or has this interview sent to them, you had at least three or four very concrete things that the American government should do after this aerial incursion and this surveillance overflight.
	Would you repeat those policy recommendations?
	We need to impose costs on China.
	So, for instance, I'd have the President of the United States publicly declare that we will defend Taiwan, move troops there as a tripwire, base some supplies there on an emergency basis, what we should have done in Ukraine.
	I think we should close China's four remaining consulates in the U.S., and we should strip the embassy staff down to just the ambassador.
	We need to get all these Chinese spies out of our country.
	And by the way, while we're at it, let's make sure that no party from China owns U.S.
	real estate.
	I mean, farmland, ranchland.
	The only Chinese parties I would allow to own ranchland and farmland would be those who have submitted papers to become a U.S.
	citizen.
	But apart from that, I'd say it's time to expropriate that farm and ranchland.
	And what about all these former institutes of Confucianism that were actually hotbeds for Chinese CCP penetration of U.S.
	colleges and schools?
	I know some of them have changed their names.
	What's the status of these subversive institutions in America?
	The Confucius Institutes, they were about 118 or so.
	They're now only about 10.
	But as you point out, a lot of them have been rebranded.
	And also, even more important are the Confucius classrooms in our secondary schools.
	We need to eliminate every single one of them and make sure they don't come back in another form.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He has concrete recommendations.
	Is anybody listening amongst the powers that be?
	I doubt it given the fact that the president's son got a 1.2 billion dollar deal from the National Bank of Communist China despite Hunter Biden having no background in finance in Asia or in anything else except Russian prostitutes and drug taking.
	Which is why he was kicked out of the Navy.
	Yes, he was actually.
	Day one, failed a drug test.
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