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Feb. 9, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka
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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Nord Stream explosion: Do you believe Seymour Hersh?!
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Wasn't he great last night?
And he was his authentic self.
You know, he did talk about our accomplishments, 12 million jobs.
And actually, 12 million jobs, the work of the private sector as well.
But a presidency that enabled that to happen.
12 million jobs, issues that relate to science and Chips and how we go into the future.
I thought it was, uh, you know, if if they put the objective, they would have to say this is a good.
She's blathering.
Greetings, friends.
She's on fake news media with a big congressional brooch.
I don't know what it is, but on the top of it, it has two flags.
It doesn't have America and California, which she's a representative for.
Nancy Pelosi has two flags on a massive brooch, America and Ukraine.
And she's... What is she babbling about?
Allowing people to go back to work after you've shut down the country is not creating jobs, Pelosi.
It's allowing people to go back to the jobs they shouldn't have been banned from going to in the first place.
This is America First and the Salem News Channel.
Let's talk about Ukraine a little bit.
We have an amazing show for you today.
My colleague, my rabbi!
Yeah, I know I'm...
Catholic?
Dennis Prager will be with us later this hour.
Julie Hartman, his new protégé, an amazing young lady.
Robert Wilkie, former member of the Trump administration at the cabinet level, will be with us for the one-on-one.
And then my White House colleague, the Baron Boris Epstein, will be in the studio to tell us what's going on in Mar-a-Lago and the President's plans for 2023.
But first, the topic of the day is a Substack story.
Do you know what Substack is?
Well, I can't even see my team.
Eric, is anybody out there?
My camera isn't on.
Can I...
We are here, as always.
We've got your six, Dr. G. I'm worried.
I'll never know if I can't see you guys.
What do you think of Substack, this new platform that can't be censored, where individuals go on and have their own page?
It's like this aggregator of lots of different websites.
Do you think it's still the hot thing?
I think it's a great thing.
I think it is very much, for the written word, what Twitter spaces have been for, you know, the audiovisual content.
Obviously, they've proven very valuable since Elon took over.
Subcycle is very much kind of the same thing.
Yeah, you can read these great essays that may not ever be published in the New York Times or the Washington Compost, but they're far more valuable than anything you'll read in the MSM.
Right.
I do think... I'm in an argument with my wife concerning this.
She's not convinced.
What I do think is that this is the future.
This kind of censorship-free platform where you can get long-form articles directly from the person who wrote them.
There's no intermediary.
There's no editorial board.
There's nobody censoring it.
Anyway, I have a substack.
You can follow me there.
It's my name, one word, SebastianGawker.substack.com.
But let's talk about a story that has been published yesterday that is blowing up the internet from a very old fake news journalist called Seymour Hersh.
And many on the right have jumped on this story because according to Seymour Hersh, who wrote about the My Lai Massacre and Abu Ghraib, Biden blew up Nord Stream.
Yeah.
The Biden administration used US forces to pre-position, three months before the explosion, a remote control explosive device on the underwater part of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, and then detonated it.
Now, some of my colleagues' response to this article has been disturbing.
Why?
Because they tie Seymour Hersh's piece to some circumstantial statements made by Biden, made by the Department of State and others.
And they say, see, we told you so!
It's the deep state.
Now, I'm not going to say it's absolutely incorrect and false, and I have the receipts to prove it, but let's start with a one-on-one on any story.
Not just one that's titillatingly sensationalist, that purports to demonstrate a very serious geopolitical decision being made by a current incumbent of the White House.
But any story, any story, what's the first question you must ask?
It's very easy.
There is a set of rules.
The first question you must ask is what is the quality of the source?
Where did the story come from?
Can it be verified?
And what is the track record of the person who has given us the story?
Now who is Seymour Myron Sy Hersh?
Born 1937.
Oh my gosh!
Born 1937.
Oh, my gosh.
Wow.
Seymour Sy Hirsch is the person who probably most came to fame because of his reporting of the My Lai Massacre, a story which today isn't quite the way he portrayed it, of U.S. a story which today isn't quite the way he portrayed it, of U.S. troops in Vietnam wantonly killing women
He's also known for writing about Camelot, the darker side of Camelot, and making various accusations against JFK about his brother and others, likewise almost exclusively based upon anonymous sources.
Seymour Hersh must be judged by the people he keeps company with.
And the fact that the left says the following things about him.
This is a response to one of his stories questioning the death of Osama Bin Laden.
Saying, oh, it's not as the Obama administration reported.
It didn't even happen in Pakistan.
It's all made up.
The Politico, hardly a conservative media outlet, in fact, they're left-wing scum, described Hirsch's story about the death of Osama bin Laden thusly.
It is, quote, a messy omelet of a piece that offers little of substance for readers or journalists who may want to verify its claims.
Every single time there is a pattern for Seymour Hersh, and it is that he uses unnamed stories.
In one story alone, the same unknown anonymous source is quoted 50 times.
Before you go any further with this, Biden blew up the Nord Stream, here's a quote that tells you who Seymour Hersh is.
In a speech he gave, he said the following about Abu Ghraib and our troops.
Quote, Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, with children, in cases that have been recorded, the boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling.
And the worst above all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking.
That your government has.
They're in total terror that the audio will be released.
When he was challenged to back that up, Seymour Hersh, that US troops were sodomizing young boys in Afghanistan, he said to the New York Magazine, I didn't actually quite say what I wanted to say correctly.
It wasn't that inaccurate, but it was misstated.
And the next thing I know, it was all over the blogs.
I didn't quite say what I meant to say.
American troops raping young boys did happen or didn't happen.
And conservatives are taking the word of a man who said that the coward in the White House who's afraid of the Taliban blew up Putin's pipeline.
If you believe that, I got a bridge to sell you in Connecticut.
This is America First.
He can't shave?
I, I don't know, man.
That's, that is pretty rough.
I mean, I recognize, like, the hairstyle.
Is that meant to be a beard?
I don't know.
Beards are coming back into fashion in content now.
Yeah, but that's not a beard.
Yeah, no, that's, yeah.
Oof.
Is he California?
Who is he?
He's California.
He's the guy who won that special election.
Jen Horn talks about him a lot.
The former fighter pilot.
Yeah.
That's a fighter pilot?
He was a pilot, yeah.
Wow.
Awesome.
You want to go ahead and dial that Skype that's on there for this B-segment?
Thank you.
Julie Hartman.
Alright, we'll do food for the poor at the top here.
Yep.
You want the mics off for Julie?
No.
Okay, Mike's gonna stay on.
Got titles in mind for the good professor?
Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Something about like the most feminized society ever that he said.
We are the most, whatever, did he say feminized?
He said feminized, yeah.
Yeah, we are the most feminized society in world history.
That's a spicy claim, but I don't think it's false.
Spicy!
We like spicy.
We like spicy food.
You want to do ins and outs?
Ins and outs!
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What?
On Skype.
Do we have a number we could try calling her at?
I'll send you her number.
Okay.
I think I have a picture of her from last time she was on our show.
No, I guess not.
Okay, I gotta get her real quick.
She's on Quicklink.
No, that's for Prager.
No, she's on Quicklink.
She's on Quicklink?
Yeah, she can hear us on Quicklink.
Oh, okay.
Alright.
John is working on that.
Would you like somber music coming into this, or just normal?
Um... Nothing too peppy, but not super somber, because I have to tee it up.
One minute.
Yes.
We have her now.
Hello?
Hi, Seb!
Oh, hello.
Long time no chat.
I know.
By the way, I can hear myself.
That's probably.
That's us with our mics on.
How about now?
Are you good now to say something?
Hello.
Yep.
Much better.
What's behind you?
Timeless?
Is that your podcast?
Timeless with Julie Hartman.
Oh, I like that.
That's good.
I like that.
Timeless.
All right.
Let's have some fun.
Stand by.
You guys said you're going to do food at the top here?
Yes.
All righty.
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But it doesn't matter, we forgive her that because she is a protege of a very good friend of mine and she is going to be the warm-up act for none other than Dennis Prager later this hour.
Julie Hartman, welcome back to America First!
Thank you.
It's great to be back.
The last time I was on, you talked about my essay that I wrote at Harvard about Patrice Lumumba's assassination, and I sent it to you.
Did you read it?
Of course I did.
I have used it as wallpaper in my man cave.
You will see it if you are ever allowed into the man cave at the Gorka compound.
But we're not here to discuss your paper on Patrice Lumumba, although we can do that at another point.
We are here because it has been so long since we chatted to you.
I think we chatted about 90 minutes ago.
And you mentioned something really interesting about your generation.
It piqued an interest for me, and we have a few minutes to discuss before Dennis comes on the line.
Right now, subscribe to her podcast, Timeless with Julie Hartman.
Julie, you said something interesting about And I think it's the focus of what you're interested in is what's happened to youth in America.
And you used the word hobbies.
What's the situation with hobbies and young people in the United States?
Well, it's great that I'm a warm-up for Dennis because actually getting to know Dennis made me realize that people my age don't have a lot of hobbies.
Dennis is the complete opposite of that.
He probably has too many hobbies.
He loves photography.
He loves fountain pens.
He buys very expensive audio equipment.
His life is a series of hobbies.
It really is.
And getting to know him just made me realize, my gosh, I don't think I know anyone my age who has anything comparable to that.
And by the way, I'm not wagging my finger.
I don't have hobbies.
And it made me think, why is that?
And there are a few reasons that I've come up with.
First, certainly for the people who I went to college with.
We were so obsessed with getting into an elite university and then once we were at that elite university landing a job at an elite firm that we didn't have time to have hobbies.
We didn't think that it was worth our while.
You know, having an interest in photography, for instance, in high school doesn't help you get into Harvard.
So I think many of us who are more accomplishment oriented don't see the utility in having hobbies.
But I think overall it's because of what social media has done for us.
You mean kill our spare time?
Yes, certainly.
Yes, it has killed our spare time.
And it has made us socially awkward, because we're so used to scrolling that when we meet up with people in person, we don't really know how to interact with them.
And oftentimes, when you have a hobby, that involves partaking in that hobby with other people.
And why do they matter?
Talk to us, because it seems like, oh, who cares?
I need to get into Harvard or Harvard Or Yale.
But as a guy who rode my bicycle from the moment I left school till sunset, made model airplanes and other things that exploded as a child, like my air rifle, my BB gun, why should your generation care about hobbies, Julie?
Simply put, they're life enriching.
I think they're more life enriching than spending all of your time, you know, resume building, building your brand.
And again, it wasn't until I really got to know Dennis that I saw how much more there is to life than these names and fancy accomplishments that we so fervently go after.
Where do you stand with regards to those who are in your demographic?
Are you pessimistic that we can turn things around and give some meaning?
Is it going to take an army of Julie Hartman's?
Are you an optimist or a pessimist?
Well, I'm careful answering this question because the last time I was on your program, I don't know if you remember, you asked me that question, but just with regard to America writ large, I answered in a kind of pessimistic way.
So I'm going to answer differently today.
I think there still is hope, but we just need good examples of people who are textured human beings, who do have a full life.
And as you indicated, Seb, I intend to be one of them.
We love it, we love it.
It's Timeless with Julie Hartman.
She caught the nation's attention with a video that went viral when she discussed the state of things eternal in our nation and her generation.
Now you have not only Timeless, you have also your show with Dennis, correct Julie?
Dennis and Julie, that's right.
Dennis and Julie.
Follow this lady right now at Julie R Hartman on social media on her website Julie-Hartman and she is going to be a star that must be followed and she's done a pretty good job warming up for Dennis.
I know Dennis was a little nervous to come on my show.
He should be now a little more relaxed thanks to Julie.
Is he in the back?
Is he smoking?
If he's smoking a cigar in the back of the studio with Otto, I'm going to be very annoyed at him.
He's up next.
Thank you, Julie.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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Is he smoking a cigar?
Is he smoking a cigar?
You better not.
Well, I would be, but I know that you are so sensitive to secondhand smoke.
Even though we're thousands of miles apart, you would be offended.
I would be melting like a snowflake.
How are we?
How are we, Dennis?
Well, when I tell people I'm always good, they don't know if I'm serious, but I am.
Well, then they don't know you.
That's a great point.
Then they don't know you at all.
All right.
I'm going to do my Patriot Supply here.
And then I'm going to tee up the cut with Charlie.
Ah, yeah.
And then I'm going to go to Dennis.
Okey dokes.
And I'm calling the car for Boris now.
If you wish to say it in French, Denis Projet.
Denis Projet.
Right.
I'm sorry?
Are you on the air?
No, we're not on the air.
We're horsing around, that is correct.
We horse around on the air, too, so it's very difficult to know.
We horse around the whole time.
Yes, exactly.
There is no line between the horsing around and the not horsing around.
That's right.
Oh, God.
Oh, jeez.
I guess I don't tee up, Charlie.
Yeah.
Okay.
Is the latest one Deuteronomy, Dennis?
Is there something since Deuteronomy?
I'm working on numbers.
Numbers.
However, it's a real dilemma, because when it comes out, Prager's commentary on numbers, they'll think it's a math book.
It's a very serious dilemma for me.
You know, the Hebrew name for that book is so sexy.
It's called In the Wilderness.
Oh, that's fabulous!
Now, why would you rather read Numbers or In the Wilderness?
Yeah.
Can you not have some, like, editorial alteration there?
Numbers schmumbers.
Numbers schmumbers.
In the Wilderness.
That's much better.
Yeah.
Deuteronomy.
Whoops.
Top came off.
The only bad part of this pen.
Okay, dear.
Is that a fake bonsai behind you?
Is that...
No, we have nothing fake here.
That looks suspiciously plastic to me.
That is hilarious.
What is he seeing behind me?
The bonsai.
The bonsai looks fake.
There's a bonsai behind me?
All I see is an elephant and part of my haggadah.
Over your left shoulder, there's a bonsai.
This is my left shoulder.
Right there, right behind you is a tree, a little baby tree.
Oh, oh, I see.
I'm insulted that you would think I would have a plastic tree.
You know it's plastic, guys, don't you?
Even the elephant... That is a... elephant.
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That Doyen?
That semi-retired chap?
Is that Brit Hume?
It's Brit Hume!
That's right.
Why is he wearing a wrinkled golf shirt?
A stripy golf shirt?
I mean, he looks...
Seriously, you're... I'm looking at her right now.
Not sartorially sound, please.
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We were discussing my appearance on Charlie Kirk's show.
Let's play a little clip of this discussion on Charlie Kirk's show just a day ago.
Let's play the clip.
Russia has not been provoked into a war.
Russia hasn't been surrounded by NATO and has deployed to save ethnic Russians and destroy, you know, bioweapons labs.
Russia has been doing what it has always done, whether it was under the czars, whether it was the Soviet Union, or under a neophyte czar, and that is, of course, Vladimir Putin.
This is the aggrandizing territorially of the Russian Federation from a man who by the way is a former KGB colonel and I remember the good old days as a child of the Cold War when all conservatives hated all KGB colonels.
The idea that he is some champion for the West standing up against globalists ...is utterly asinine.
This is a man who persecuted Christians.
This is a man who is creating his own globalism, but under the fiat of the Kremlin.
Within moments of mentioning my debate with Charlie Kirk and good for you Charlie for having me on your show to discuss the Ukraine I was texted by my rabbi by Dennis Prager who said let's discuss this on your show and here he is for the next three segments we are honored to have him on our show.
Dennis tell me why did you reach out to me after you heard that I'd been on Charlie's show to talk about Ukraine?
I'll tell you exactly why.
I have a question Why are so many conservatives, people that we deeply respect, friends, why are they ambivalent or even hostile to aiding Ukraine?
The case for aiding Ukraine, in my opinion, is morally and politically, geopolitically, internationally, Americanly, it's a non-question.
I do have a question, and this is what I really wanted to get your thoughts on.
Why, what stream in contemporary conservatism is dominant that wonderful people like Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk, Charlie and I are quite close.
I've been on Tucker's show and he has done a PragerU video.
I mean, these are people I adore and I still adore.
The idea that you stop admiring people because you differ on an issue is a little silly.
It's not silly, it's destructive.
But nevertheless, I still have this question.
When Tucker Carlson says, I'll use his example, when he says, you know, we don't care about our border to the south, but we do care about Ukraine's border, that to me is as classic and non-sequitur as one can have.
The fact that we don't give a damn under the Democrats about our southern border, what does that have to do with whether or not we aid Ukraine that is being invaded by Russia?
Yeah, it's very pedestrian thinking, the idea that the world's only hyperpower, because we are beyond a superpower, can't do two things at the same time, or can't help somebody else when we are hostages to the extremists running the political machine inside Washington D.C.
makes no sense.
I'll give you my answer.
I struggle with this every day because it irks me at a very deep level that people who say they're conservatives are on the side of a KGB colonel in Moscow who's shelling maternity clinic.
So I'll give you my answer in a second.
I don't think it's the full answer and I really want help from you.
We're talking to Dennis Prager.
He is the founder of PragerU, one of the most important entities, not in America, but in our civilization today.
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The latest in his Rational Bible series is Deuteronomy.
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Yeah, I have a theory, but I'm not satisfied with the theory as to why it's occurring.
But I'll present it to you.
And I thought you had the answer, Dennis.
I thought you could tell me.
I am so sorry.
I thought we went to a break.
We are on a break.
We did, but I keep chatting in the break for our Rumble viewers.
Oh, sorry.
At the last minute, I couldn't hear how your dog makes a relief factor.
Alright, can you say something?
Because something's happened to the sound.
How are you now?
Are we good?
Better?
No, suddenly something went, something deteriorated.
Really?
Old school radio sound.
Yeah, you didn't change your headphones or the microphone.
No, I didn't.
I did zero.
What happened there?
John, what do you think?
John says have him keep talking.
Can you keep talking, Dennis?
Yes, certainly.
Key Lens.
Key Lens Edge.
It's awful.
John's going to drop the call and redial.
We're going to redial you, Dennis.
Standby.
Okay.
Redialing, Sean.
Oh, hang on.
Now it sounds good.
Try again, Dennis.
- No, no, no, no, no.
Redial.
Alright, redial.
Redial.
Things don't work here, Seb.
I'm sorry.
It's a serious problem.
Why is it working?
Why is it always the other guy?
Just redial.
John's redialing him.
70 seconds.
Oh, got a title line for the monologue, by the way.
Anna Hartman.
Are you using the new thing?
Keep talking.
Hello there.
One, two, three.
Good, good, good, good, good.
Excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent.
Okay, there's that voice, yes.
Don't mess it up now, California.
It's 3,000 miles.
We can manage.
We are aware of that.
That is true.
You having problems with the help there, Dennis?
Yes.
You just can't get the help.
It's unbelievable.
30 seconds.
Let's pray.
Let's pray.
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Welcome back to America First.
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We are joined by a very special guest, a man who's done more by himself to push back on the insanity that is the left today than probably anybody else outside of maybe the White House in a certain period recently.
He is Dennis Prager, my Salem colleague.
Dennis, we're talking about Ukraine, conservative attitudes to the war in Ukraine.
Why would anybody who says they're a conservative or a Republican be against Kiev and on the side of Moscow?
I struggle with this every day.
It disturbs me.
I have maybe a 60% solution.
At Let me ask you if you can fill out the other 40%.
So for me, number one, it's ignorance, especially for people who were born or not formed until after the Cold War.
They have no idea what what Russia represents and has represented under the Tsars, under the USSR and under Putin today.
Secondly, there is there's just a wanton cynicism To anything the elite favors.
After the Iraq war, WMD, 20 years in Afghanistan, there's not a healthy questioning attitude, there's just a rank rejection of what they see as a narrative of the military-industrial complex.
And then lastly, I think it's a revivification of a Buchananite isolationism, that just, you know, forget the rest of the world, we can pull down the shutters on the east and west coast, and only America matters.
Those for me are the things I see as plausible parts of the answer.
However, the idea that Putin is the only man fighting Klaus Schwab and the globalists, that anybody with a triple digit IQ could believe that today, beggars belief.
I think you hit on some important aspects that the cynicism, I think cynicism is a factor.
After Afghanistan, after Iraq, that's a valid point, but it's not valid to use those to oppose aiding Ukraine, but it is a valid point in trying to explain why a conservative would do so.
I was in conversation just yesterday with Charlie Kirk, who I said I'm very close to, And he said, Dennis, I will tell you, of all your arguments, the one that might really start to move me to supporting aiding Ukraine is the moral argument, which I would think that every Jew and Christian who takes the Bible seriously would think about.
There is a law that has animated my life.
Do not stand by the blood of your neighbor.
That God forbids us—this is a divine commandment in the first five books, which I'm writing my commentary on—we are forbidden to stand by the blood of our neighbors.
So then they will have a retort.
Oh, does that mean we intervene every time?
Do we go into Myanmar, aka Burma, because of persecution that takes place there?
Nobody advocates every single time.
But I point out to people, as I know you do, the seriousness of this attack, as perceived by Europeans, is extremely powerfully represented by the fact that Sweden and Finland want to join NATO.
Sweden has been neutral since World War I, which is not to their credit, but is just a fact.
If Sweden wants to join NATO, that means they believe this is huge what is happening in Europe.
Finland.
You and I are old enough to remember, and because we both know communism so well, the Finlandization.
It was a verb.
To Finlandize.
Meant to accept the Soviets as the arbiters of your foreign policy while you remain internally free.
That was Finland.
That's why we had the Helsinki Accords.
And they want to join NATO.
Why are Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania so frightened?
I mean, what do they know that our fellow conservatives in America don't know?
And finally, I just want to raise one other point.
That every argument given against America aiding Ukraine could have been given in 1953 to aiding Korea.
What what is America's business?
We just lost hundreds of thousands of boys in World War two What the hell do we need to go to a place where we have no interest?
There are there's no natural resource that will help America Why would we ever do this?
but that was a time when Americans generally all believed we stand for something in the United States and If God or nature allowed us to be the richest and most powerful country in the world, then we have a moral obligation to use that power.
That's what I believe.
You've made me think of one more partial explanation.
I think it's the general dearth of critical thought.
Because you can't be using critical thought to believe narratives to the effect that a nation of 11 time zones with 5,000 nuclear weapons was, quote-unquote, aggressed by Ukraine that has no nuclear weapons.
That NATO, which is a voluntary club of free nations somehow is a threat to the Soviet Union.
Can we also say that the dearth of critical thinking has to be added to the mix?
When I hear this argument, well, you know, would we like missiles on our borders?
By the way, there are no missiles on their borders, but let's say, I'm not for Ukraine joining NATO.
Okay, I'm willing to compromise for peace.
I want peace very badly.
Nevertheless, the idea that Ukraine or any NATO country is a threat to Russia, it means the person who says that is drawing moral equivalence between Putin and NATO.
Yeah, which is the classic leftist argument of the Cold War, that there is a moral equivalence between a one-party state with gulags and nations where you actually get to vote every four years for who's going to run the country.
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You know, last night I spoke in Phoenix at ASU.
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By the way, I forgot, do you like Cuban cigars?
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I refuse to pay for them, but they are the best.
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Dennis, last question because you are the expert on the Soviet Union.
You traveled there as a young man during the Cold War.
Give us one thing that conservatives or anybody Most needs to understand about Moscow and the Kremlin that isn't adequately understood.
Just one word of advice.
Well, I actually have an answer for you, and even you wouldn't know this.
This really, this is the depths of czarist history.
The czar, the last czar, had a, the chief of staff, as it were, A guy by the name of Pobjedonostsev.
And he said something to justify the expansion of the Russian Empire that I have realized is one of the great truisms of life.
And he said to the Tsar, that which does not expand, contracts.
And that explains every imperialist empire.
And it explains Putin, that which does not expand, contracts, and there you have it in a nutshell.
A law of physics, but applied to geopolitics, that whether it is the Tsar, whether it is the Soviet Union, whether it is this new attempt to create a new empire under Vladimir Putin, they have to They have to expand.
I'll add one that I heard recently.
Without the Ukraine, Russia cannot be an empire.
And I think that, in part, is the justification for what is occurring in that benighted country right now.
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Well, I thought it was pretty impressive that the president would enter the people's house and try to lie to the American people about the economy, the border, and even ignore the fact that he allowed the Chinese spy balloon to spy on America politically.
But when he continued the lie, accusing Republicans of preparing to cut Social Security and Medicare, we couldn't take it.
So I, along with my colleagues, were calling them out.
I think I was just the loudest one because I stood up and screamed liar.
And the reason why I did that, Sean, is because they have used my image and my name as leading the effort in that.
When we have not had one single meeting in the GOP conference, He's talking about cutting Social Security and Medicare.
Joe Biden is a liar.
I represent the American people and I was honored to be able to call him the liar that he is in the people's house and not allow him to get away with it.
Hey, Julia, in terms of migrants going to Canada or crossing the border, where are they getting the money?
I mean, you fly to Canada from wherever, Mexico City or from wherever, you have to have some money.
Where are they getting the money?
Well, often it's not the poorest of the poor who we see arrive in the United States.
It's people who are able to, and oftentimes sell everything, get a few thousand dollars even, pay smugglers to take them into the United States.
And in this case, a plane ticket's about $350 to get to, say, from Mexico City to Toronto or Montreal, and then they're paying smugglers $1,000 to get them across the border.
In some ways, it's a cheaper way in than going across the southern border.
So if you were running a local political campaign and you're running ads on television and you say something inaccurate about your opponent, guess what happens?
Your ad gets pulled down.
These platforms live by a very different set of rules, and people consume more information from them than any other source of media.
So think of the danger of that.
And with that in mind, as Ocasio-Cortez just said, basically they're allowing hate speech, racism.
Also, let's not forget inaccurate information about vaccines and how they can save your lives run rampant on these platforms.
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The call board is absolutely full.
We'll get to your calls in a second, but first, two rather juxtaposed little clips I want to share with you.
The former White House Press Secretary saying, you know, social media All nasty stuff on there.
They really should be censored more.
This is Cut 7, Jen Psaki.
If you were running a local political campaign, and you're running ads on television, and you say something inaccurate about your opponent, guess what happens?
Your ad gets pulled down.
These platforms live by a very different set of rules, and people consume more information from them than any other source of media.
So think of the danger of that.
And with that in mind, as Ocasio-Cortez just said, basically they're allowing hate speech, racism, also let's not forget inaccurate information about vaccines and how they can save your lives, run rampant on these platforms.
Really?
Hate speech?
What about the hate speech for six years about President Trump and his associates being white supremacists and Nazis?
What about The suppression of real stories such as the Hunter Biden laptop story.
Who suppressed that?
And was it your administration, Jen Psaki?
Well, we'll be discussing it tonight on Newsmax, but somebody who's had enough is Lauren Boebert.
And there was a hearing on Capitol Hill yesterday about the weaponization of information And the lack of a division between the government and Big Tech.
And she... She let him have it.
Cut 9!
And let me just say, I'm not angry for myself.
I'm not angry because I was silenced.
I can reach out to Elon and to his staff, and I can see what's happened.
And I can sit here today and hold you all in account.
I am angry for the millions of Americans who were silenced because of your decisions, because of your actions, because of your collusion with the federal government.
They can't reach out to Elon.
They can't sit here today and hold you into account.
We don't know where the FBI ends and Twitter begins!
Boom.
Especially when James Baker, Chief Counsel for the FBI, the man at the center of the Hunter Biden cover-up and so many other things, just quietly transitions to Deputy Chief Counsel for Twitter.
So where is the dividing line between the intelligence community, federal law enforcement, And those that run the most powerful information platforms in the world today.
Because that's Palo Alto.
That's Big Tech.
That's Google, Alphabet, Facebook, and Twitter.
God bless Elon Musk for allowing us to see just some of what went on in the last few years.
So it's a good start, Lauren Bobert.
Fabulous beginning.
We want to see more.
All right, let's go to your calls.
Let's go to Long Island.
Line one, the call board is lit up.
Anthony, welcome to America First.
How are you, doctor?
Good.
I told you the other day, I consider yourself Charlie Kirk's Ban and Prager icon on the conservative movement.
So with that being said, the Ukraine thing, I think we'd feel more comfortable if we had you back in the White House leading the way.
And with our open borders and stuff, again, how is it America first if we're in Ukraine defending and moving forward and we're left wide open here?
But did you listen to what Dennis just said literally 15 minutes ago?
Yes, yes, I was listening to it.
What he said, was there the explanation to that?
Just because the Democrats are in control of the border and have it open doesn't mean that we shouldn't help Ukraine.
How are those two things connected?
We can't do anything about the border.
As long as Biden is in the White House, as long as Alejandro Mayorkas is the Secretary of Homeland Security.
What does that mean?
That Russia can do whatever it wants in Europe?
I don't understand the logic, Anthony.
These two things do not sit next to each other correctly.
So I guess the thing is, is with NATO leading the way.
The United States is the one moving forward.
NATO has never led the way.
NATO follows what America does.
Always, always has done.
There is no NATO without America.
But I think that's part of the problem.
Like when Trump was in office, I said they need to pay their fair share.
Well, we actually promised them in 1995 and we broke that promise.
In 1995 we said, you give your nuclear weapons to Russia and we'll protect you.
I mean, we promised Ukraine back in 1994, but does that mean we're tied to them forever?
Well, we actually promised them in 1995 when we broke that promise.
In 1995, we said, "You give your nuclear weapons to Russia and we'll protect you." Anthony, we broke that promise.
Yes, well, I understand that.
But now, what does that mean?
They're not a part of NATO, so we're tied to them, basically.
No, we help them fight for themselves.
That's my argument.
I'm not in favor of what the Biden administration has been doing in sending, you know, $100 billion.
No, I'm not in favor of that.
Send them Soviet-era equipment so they can fight for themselves, just like the French helped Americans fight for their freedom in 1776.
The parallel is very clear.
But thank you, Anthony.
Let's go to Mark in Ohio.
Mark, welcome to America First.
Hi Dr. Gorka.
I've been thinking about our Vice President.
Now she cackles and laughs all the time.
I was wondering, does anybody know if she has a medical marijuana card that she lights up like a credit card or something?
I don't know, but there's got to be an explanation.
I was listening to some of the clips from her earlier today.
How that woman was the chief prosecutor for one of the biggest states in the nation is just shocking.
I think every single case that she was responsible for has to be re-examined.
Thank you, Mark.
Is she having a toke or two before she gets in front of a camera is a very good question.
Let's go to David in Orlando, Florida.
David.
Welcome.
Dr. Gorka, I'm a frequent caller.
I enjoy your show.
It struck home with me when you called for the aid for Turkey.
Americans, as you said earlier, really don't know European history.
During the Inquisition, Turkey was the only country, one of few, and actually was one of the main countries to help saved Jewish lives.
My ancestry lived in Turkey for over 400 years, and we only see Muslims and Arabs fighting today in the street.
But that wasn't always the case.
And if it wasn't for the Muslim Turks, millions of Jews, including myself, would not be here today.
I mean, Americans don't know about the Polish-Soviet war.
We don't know about the Balkan wars.
We don't know about the civil war that happened in Germany right after World War I. So I think that your callers, especially the Jewish ones, really need to understand how Turkey saved Jewish lives and for us to help them.
Yeah, and it's, look, On the one hand, it's natural to understand that when you're a nation the size of a continent, you don't necessarily...
I have a hankering to know much about other parts of the world, but it's a shame.
I mean, how many Americans today, David, understand that the birthplace of Christianity outside of Israel was North Africa?
That the first Christian communities were based in places like Egypt, Syria, that we have, you know, Church growth in Turkey, in Anatolia, in the 1st century, in the 2nd century, that there are still Christians, persecuted Christians, thanks to the later arriving Muslims today, in those parts of the world, but they're still there.
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We are the most charitable nation in the world.
And yeah, our border may be open to the South.
But what does that mean?
Does that mean we don't help other people who are in dire straits?
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I've been beating this poor people.
Maybe that explains why they've been so hesitant to like... I've just been crushing them saying, you sold me a lemon, blah, blah, blah.
And they're like, no, it's a 50-year-old car.
I literally just worked it out with them.
Good.
You can fix a carburetor with some WD-40 and a paper clip, usually.
Really?
That's the nice thing about old cars, yeah.
It's the open valve that controls the flow of air and... Is that what a carburetor is?
Yeah.
Petrol into the carburetor.
Into the cylinder.
That's what it does.
I'm not as much of a man as you are, you know what I mean?
How do you spend your Saturday?
Every Saturday morning, because my dad never had a new car in his life.
I mean, when I bought a new car a few years ago, it was like, wow!
He never had a new, he drove Mercedes always and they were, they always needed something fixing.
So Saturday, as a kid, Saturday we were tinkering with the carburetor in the car, fixing something on his car, you know, and it was fun.
That's how, that's how I connect my, with my dad was shooting or tinkering with his car.
What do you want to talk about?
The weaponization hearing today.
Good.
The oversight hearing yesterday.
Okay.
The balloon from over the weekend.
Okay.
Alright.
Did you hear what Joe Rogan said about the Jews?
I don't like that.
What the heck?
How stupid?
Was he high?
Probably.
What an idiot.
Want to talk about it?
Can we?
Sure.
Let's do it.
We have the video.
Yeah.
Mic's are on.
Two minutes.
We played cut four.
We played seven.
Let's use eight with Boris.
Eight.
And then Rogan too, right?
Yep, eight, and then you'll tee them up.
Yeah, I'll tee them up.
I need titles, please.
Yep, four.
Monologue, Hartman, and the Rabbi.
Monologue.
Well, I gave you the monologue, didn't I?
No, you did not.
You gave me a professor.
Something to do with the... I did, I did.
NordStream colon... We wrote it down.
That was the livestream.
NordStream Explosion, Do You Believe Seymour Hersh?
That's the title of the livestream.
NordStream...
I don't disagree with you.
Who trusts Seymour Hersh?
Question mark.
- All right.
- Hartman.
- Who trusts Seymour Hersh?
- I mean, seriously.
He's been lying for 70 years.
- But you don't think that Biden did go about it?
- A guy who's afraid of the Taliban is going to pre-position three months in advance a bomb on a Russian... - I don't disagree with you.
- I don't buy it.
The balls you'd have to have to do that.
They don't have the balls to do that.
Yeah, but it's not about balls.
Something's so off.
I mean, here's the question, though.
Did America okay blowing up that bridge?
Probably.
Maybe.
But the idea that we... That's what I'm saying.
I think it's more likely that they winked and nodded about it.
that.
No, I think he did.
I think he did.
He's back in the swamp.
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Welcome, in studio, the one, the only, the strategic advisor to the Trump 2024... Senior advisor.
Strategic was 20... Okay.
There's been a lot of... Senior.
Senior.
Senior 16.
Can I just say big man at the campaign?
You can say big league advisor.
Big league.
Big league.
I want business cards printed.
Big league advisor.
Big league advisor for the Trump 2020 campaign.
Senior advisor, but more importantly, my former colleague in the White House.
That's the most important thing.
Boris, welcome back.
I think a cigar buddy is the most... Cigar buddy.
It's so funny.
I don't do this with anybody else.
We send photographs to each other of the cigars we're smoking of an evening.
I think you... Did you start that?
I think you started it.
I started it.
You started it.
And then we've, you know, and it always makes my day.
Whenever I get... And I'm always worried because we're both night owls.
Yes.
I don't know how much of a night owl you are.
Like, I'm smoking at like 1.30.
Do I send him a photograph?
The answer is always yes.
The answer is always yes.
I've got witnesses now.
I can send him one in the middle of the night.
All right, let's have some fun.
Let's talk politics.
One sanity check thing.
So we have perhaps the The moment of the state of the disunion where he talks about, Republicans want to take away your Medicare.
And I loved it.
It was parliamentary.
It was like pushing back.
And the GOP just said, no, sorry.
They called him out.
Marjorie Taylor Greene said, you're a liar.
And you know what blew my mind, Boris?
The next day, I don't know where he was.
I think it was in West Virginia or somewhere.
He did it again.
He doubled down.
After getting burned, laughed at in front of millions, Biden said it again at another event.
That's... I mean... How is that possible?
He's not operational.
And you could tell that during the speech.
Yeah.
You could see he's got the prompter and he's speeding through parts of it.
Right.
He's... Stumbling, making way... Stumbling, making way... Okay?
The guy's a mess.
The guy's a disaster.
And also, you know, in all seriousness, right?
We have no southern border.
Yeah.
We don't have the Keystone Pipeline.
We have a disaster in our inner cities.
We have a crime disaster all across the country.
And he's talking about resort fees.
Yeah.
No, no, Taylor Swift, come on.
Ticketmaster.
The big stuff, the big stuff.
Yeah, big stuff.
Yeah, you know what?
And they're not even resourced.
Joe, what are you talking about?
I mean, it was embarrassing.
And by the way, have you seen the ratings?
No, tell me.
This is unbelievable.
President Trump's third address, second State of the Union, right?
46.8 million viewers.
And if I'm off by, you know, a couple hundred thousand... Forty-odd.
Forty-odd, okay.
Forty-six.
No, no, no.
Forty-six million or... Oh, about forty-six million.
The parallel one?
Wanna take a guess?
For Biden?
Well, this one.
The one this week.
Twenty million?
Pretty good, that's why you've got the show.
27 million, the lowest... Almost half?
The lowest ever in the history of Nielsen ratings of States of the Union.
The lowest ever televised rating for a State of the Union.
The lowest ever, since they've been doing ratings, there's never been one lower.
Because, hey, it's no longer COVID and it's no longer... Tuesday was a day in the life of Americans.
Yeah.
And they knew that...
At 9 o'clock Eastern, 6 o'clock Pacific, 8 o'clock Central, this was happening, and they chose to tune out.
For me, I mean for a lot of people, that moment where he accused the GOP of wanting to get rid of your Medicaid was key.
He's a liar!
What for you was like the seminal moment of that speech?
Was it shouting about Xi Jinping?
I was just, we know each other too well.
That's exactly what it was.
What was that?
What's happening?
You know?
And you know what?
I'm pretty proud of this.
I wrote a piece for Newsweek in March of 2021.
Almost two years ago now.
And I talked about how decrepit he is.
And how reminiscent it is of those leaders of the Soviet Union in the early days.
Oh yes, the gerontocracy.
Right, the gerontocracy, right?
When you had Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko.
And it was a joke, and they were laughed at.
But here's what it caused.
It caused a crumbling of a world behemoth.
And I'm not saying the same has happened to the United States, even though long-term, let's be honest, it sure feels that's where Democrats wanted to go.
But it's not funny that he's so terrible.
It's dangerous, and it's sad, and it's very problematic for our country.
He's the oldest president we've ever had, and the response from the GOP was from the youngest governor in office, our former colleague, a friend of ours, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who just summed it up so perfectly, that it's the line between normal and crazy.
And of course, Jerry Rivers had to respond thusly.
Sorry, Geraldo Rivera, cut eight.
Well, Sean, the first thing I'd like to start with is a question.
Our friend Governor Sanders, the hit of the night, said the world is now divided.
It's not Republican, Democrat, right, left, red, blue anymore.
It's normal and crazy.
Normal, crazy.
So I want to ask you, Sean, which side of that divide, normal, crazy, is Marjorie Taylor Greene?
Is she the new normal?
Because if she is, the Republicans are not going to win.
It's a kind of cheap shot, which side of normal and crazy is MTG, but I think Sarah's summation was it.
I mean, this is what the average American has to choose.
Crazy, whether it's lack of baby formula or open borders, or getting back to normal.
Well, we've talked about this on the show, the marginalization, really, of the Democrats.
There's no more Democrat Party.
You and I have been talking about it here, when we had the pot, for years, right?
It's not, it's, do you want a normal life?
Do you want a difficult life?
But also, do you believe there's 87 genders?
Or do you think there's men and women, right?
Do you want your children subjected to that, right?
President Trump today putting out a very strong video again on energy, right?
Do you want to be energy independent or are you okay with just being completely controlled by Saudi Arabia and Venezuela and other actors around the world?
These issues that we are facing, economic, political, very much social, that is what divides normal from crazy.
And Sarah did put it very well.
Governor Sanders put it very well.
She's a friend.
And I'll tell you this, and I've expressed this to her, I as a friend am very proud of her, and we all are.
She had that great story about President Trump on the trip to Iraq.
She did an amazing job.
Let's post that video again.
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Yes.
Okay.
I think I'm sticking on it, right?
Yeah, one more.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love doing the two.
It's nice.
There's always enough to talk about.
I haven't smoked in a while.
Yeah, lowest rate of State of the Union in 30 years.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
So, do you have the figures in front of you?
Did Boris get them right?
Yeah, I found it from John Solomon's website.
Let's see.
It must have been very close.
Eric's looking at them right now.
16,000,000.
Estimated 27.3 million.
27.3.
Which has dropped from 38.2 last year.
Wow, he's lost 11 million viewers in one year.
Which has dropped from 38.2 last year.
Wow, he's lost 11 million viewers in one year.
30% in one year, yeah.
46.8, I had it on the button.
Nice.
Did you tweet that out?
You should tweet that out.
And then I'll retweet it.
Those figures.
That's good.
Three minutes.
I will, I will send you... I'll do my pillow at the top here.
Yep.
Got a title in mind for Miss Hartman?
Uh, yeah, for Julie, um...
The hobbies thing was kind of interesting, but... The what?
Yeah, the hobbies thing was... I'm not sure if it gets eyeballs, though.
Yeah, like a lifestyle kind of thing.
The one thing missing for young Americans today.
Missing for young Americans today.
And... Dennis.
Yeah, Dennis, so much.
What shall we say for Dennis?
Two minutes.
How can conservatives support Putin?
What's that?
That's just a segment we did with Dennis Prager.
Okay.
All right, we'll use Rogan here.
Can you play Cut 5 again?
Cut 5.
Hey Julia, in terms of migrants going to Canada or crossing the border, where are they getting the money?
I mean, you fly to Canada from wherever, Mexico City or from wherever, you have to have some money.
Where are they getting the money?
Well, often it's not the poorest of the poor who we see arrive in the United States.
It's people who are able to, and oftentimes sell everything, get a few thousand dollars even, pay smugglers to take them into the United States.
And in this case, a plane ticket's about $350 to get to, say, from Mexico City to Toronto or Montreal, and then they're paying smugglers $1,000 to get them across the border.
In some ways, it's a cheaper That's a morning joke?
Wow.
the southern border.
So it could be that this ends up being a more attractive option, even though it's so dangerous, especially this time of year.
That's a morning joke.
Wow.
That is incredible.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
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What was your title in the White House?
Were you like boss of surrogates?
I was, there's been a lot of titles, I was deputy communications director, oh assistant communications, I was assistant communications director overseeing surrogates.
So this guy knows a bit, a thing or two about communication.
There's a chap out there who has a rather large podcast Who was just paid, I don't know, 100 million, 200 million for his back catalogue of the last 10 years.
His name is Joe Rogan.
He has four hour long... We're just amateurs.
He does these four hour long discussions on UFOs and Bigfoot.
And I don't know how long he's going to be doing that.
Because he said this yesterday.
Cut to Joe Rogan.
That's not an anti-semitic statement.
I don't think that is.
Benjamins are money.
The idea that Jewish people are not into money is ridiculous.
That's like saying Italians aren't into pizza.
He was commenting on one of your favorites, Ilhan Omar, the famous It's All About the Benjamins.
He is known for smoking certain substances.
The reefer.
Yeah, the reefer madness on Joe Rogan.
Why does he do this after what we've seen with Kanye and others?
Let me set the stage, obviously most of your audience knows because I'm honored to have been there.
I'm a thousand percent Jewish.
I'm proud to be from a Jewish family and proud to raise my little boy Jewish.
But who doesn't like money?
He said, saying Jews don't like money.
I don't understand.
So here's the thing.
It's an interesting issue, right?
It is.
First of all, Joe's wrong.
He shouldn't do that.
It's stupid.
Jews and money are not like Italians and pizza.
We didn't invent money, for example.
Italians did invent pizza.
You've got to be smart when you're out there.
He's a public figure, right?
He speaks to a large audience.
He's influential.
People have never killed Italians because of pizza.
Unless there's a pizza dispute.
But outside of that, there was not a holocaust of Italians because of pizza.
There was not a holocaust of Italians because of pizza.
- Right. - There was not a, there's not major tropes and discrimination against Italians because of pizza.
If anything, the other way around.
Pizza's great.
We all love it, right?
But with money, the relationship between the Jewish people and money has been one that has been used against my people for millennia.
It's a libel.
It's a centuries-old libel.
For centuries and millennia.
Did the Jews, have the Jews historically been good with money?
I think there are certain Jewish people who have been able to lead banks and others.
Well, especially when Christian authorities said you shouldn't be in the business of lending.
And therefore created a market where Christians couldn't do that thing, and another ethnicity stood up to fill a gap.
So there's many, many explanations.
And if you look at the Spanish Inquisition, what happened is that the Jewish people had a big role in the banking industry.
And then that turned out deadly for them long term.
And if you look at what Hitler did, it's the same thing, right?
The big, bad Jewish Wall Street banker was ruining Germany.
So what Joe needs to understand, and listen, I'm the last person to...
But as a communications professional, I really think this is an interesting...
It's an issue to stay away from.
What would you say to him?
Now?
Yeah, to Joe.
Just apologize.
Say, sorry, didn't mean anything negative.
You know, I'm here for everybody.
Joe is somebody who is not politically correct.
And he obviously lives with that and succeeds with that.
But you should just say, hey, didn't mean to offend anybody.
We're all good.
Love the Jews.
Love everybody.
Let's go and rock and roll.
And there's no room for anti-Semitism or any hate out there.
And one more thing for you, Joe.
I know you're a big dog, but you can take the criticism.
When Lex Friedman walks you down a path on your show and says, hey, why'd you have that guy, the Infowars guy on your show?
And he says, well, he's a friend of mine.
I want to show the other side of Alex Jones.
And then Lex Friedman 20 minutes later says, what about having President Trump on your show?
He says, oh, I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to enable President Trump.
I think there's a word for that, Joe.
It's called hypocrisy.
Don't be that man.
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I'm sure Brent won't mind, because he is a gentleman.
We'll go to him second.
But ladies first, and I do believe it is Thursday.
So Antoinette on deck.
Happy Thursday.
Happy Thursday, Dr. G. And thank you so much.
I am a lady.
And Brent is next.
Yes.
Listen.
And he's a gentleman.
He'll understand.
He will, he will.
Listen, Crazy Joe, and I know this is going to sound crazy to all of your listeners, our listeners, we need to say a prayer for Chuck Schumer.
There is a bill that passed in our House of Representatives, our Congress, the Abortion Survivor Protection Bill, H.R.
26.
It passed.
So now we need to pray that Chuck Schumer will get some enlightenment and let it pass in the Senate.
And this particular bill, it's dealing with the abortions, but this is the other side of it.
The reason for this legislation is to protect those babies that are still alive after they've tried to do an abortion, and it will help to stop the infanticide, but so that they can at least receive appropriate medical treatment and be transferred to a hospital.
So we need, as crazy as it sounds, to pray for Chuck Schumer.
So you really think, Antoinette, that the Democrats in the Senate will let this stand?
Hey, Dr. G, it's passed through the House by everybody that we know that has a human beingness in their heart.
But it is inhuman to stand by while children are allowed to die after they've survived these abortions.
So you guys out there, please call your senator, even though they're a Democrat.
Let pass this Bill 26.
And as you said, with The other part, we need to protect our south border here in Southern California, Texas, Arizona, but we also need to help Ukraine.
And this is the wonderful part of our country.
There's an amazing prayer, Dr. G, that Paul Harvey, one of the famous radio announcers that you have become, With Rush Limbaugh.
Paul Harvey has a prayer out there.
It was done in 1996.
It's called the Prayer at the Kansas City Legislation.
It's a most appropriate prayer for right now.
Please take a look at it, Dr. King.
I will.
We'll find it.
Alex will be looking it up right now.
Thank you Antoinette.
Wow, it takes a big heart to do that, but let's pray for these Democrats so maybe they can see the light and join us in protecting the most vulnerable.
She is a voice for the voiceless.
God bless you, Antoinette.
Let's go to Brent!
Brent, thank you for hanging on.
Great political strategist, Gorka!
Thank you, my friend.
What brings you to our shores today?
Yeah, well, certainly Lady Antoinette always must come first.
But yesterday I attended a David Horowitz Freedom Center lunch in Beverly Hills, where Mike Pompeo spoke and took questions on his new book, Never Give an Inch.
And I have great respect for his intellect, achievements, and decency, and thought we definitely need him back in high office, but not as president.
Pompeo... Well, let him run.
Let him run.
He can still, you know, end up in the cabinet again, but let him run.
Yeah, okay, but Pompeo, exemplary as he is, simply lacks today's essential qualities to be our next president.
The killer instinct, the courage, charisma, experience, energy, and enthusiasm which Trump just exudes.
Yeah, yeah.
So what was the reception like for him yesterday?
Very positive.
You know, he's a great guy.
But he just Everybody seemed to have that same feeling.
He's just not presidential material.
He's quality material and, you know, brilliant.
Graduated number one at West Point, Harvard Law.
Impressive guy.
Sadly, however, he did surrender to the PC minions at the State Department.
We could discuss that another time.
But thank you, Brent.
Let's go to Jerry, New Jersey, line four.
Jerry, are you there?
Yeah, I'm here.
Yes, Jerry.
What's your question?
What's your comment?
Well, I mean, watching him last night was like, you know, like a spoiled little child, like, you know, all of a sudden, they were a bully.
And then all of a sudden, they're successful, then they attempt to bully everyone else.
That's point number one.
You mean Biden?
Uh-huh.
That was Tuesday night, but carry on.
Point number two, his wife kissed, which I found a little bizarre, the husband of the salad dressing queen, better known as the vice president.
On the lips!
Kissed him on the lips!
Yeah, that blew my mind.
And third point I want to make is This whole Democratic Party, which most people don't understand, at least the ones that continue to vote for them, this is not the party of Scoop Jackson or the party of Truman.
This is the party of Marx and Lewinsky.
And the sooner people wake up to it, the better this country will be.
Yeah, but it's up to us.
They're not going to wake up by themselves.
It's up to us.
It's up to people like you, Jerry.
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They want to talk about the hearings.
Okay, good.
And Schmidt to tonight.
Fun times.
Got through most of the cuts today, I think.
Mm-hmm.
Can you play six again?
Six.
Myers.
With that said, it probably should not have shocked us that Green decided to act like an obnoxious weirdo at the State of the Union, given that just a few hours before the speech, she posted a video of herself walking the halls of Congress while holding a single white balloon.
And what I'm guessing was supposed to be some sort of statement about Joe Biden's handling of the suspected Chinese spy balloon.
I mean, look at her.
She looks like she threw herself a sweet 16 party and no one showed up.
I actually just realized.
You heard what he said there?
He said suspected.
I know.
Suspected.
Suspected spy.
It's like, as if it's not already confirmed.
China literally admitted it's theirs.
But, nah.
Why are these camera servos so noisy?
Did you hear camera one when it was being raised?
John?
It's like... Like the hangar alarms in Star Wars.
30 seconds.
30 seconds.
All right.
You can come in with six minutes.
Come in with six.
No luck.
With that said,
it probably should not have shocked us that Green decided to act like an obnoxious weirdo at the State of the Union, given that just a few hours before the speech, she posted a video of herself walking the halls of Congress while holding a single white balloon.
And what I'm guessing was supposed to be some sort of statement about Joe Biden's handling of the suspected Chinese spy balloon.
I mean, look at her.
She looks like she threw herself a sweet 16 party and no one showed up.
Suspected spy balloon?
Really, Seth Meyers.
Suspected spy balloon?
Was it the Goodyear blimp that just accidentally traversed our nation from Communist China?
Incredible.
Let's go to your calls before we go one-on-one.
Patrick, Georgia, line one.
Hello.
Listen, I was listening to Charlie Clark the other day, and he basically said the Republican Party does not have any salespeople, and I agree with him.
I don't know if you read today or heard today that Carvel called out Marjorie, called her, she had a PhD in white trash, and we saw the real white trash on display.
Now, Carvel is not stupid, and he's going to hopefully, well actually, hopefully not, he should retract his statement and apologize.
And Marjorie should call him out very quickly and tie him to every Democrat there is.
Carville's been a consultant to the Democratic Party for 30 years, and that's why we have the garbage we have.
And this guy spouts off something so inane and inappropriate, just like, I guess you had a talk show host there.
Yeah, I don't understand why you think that Carville, that James Carville is ever going to apologize.
I mean, back in 1994, he said that one of the women that Bill Clinton is accused of raping is what you get when you drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park.
That was 1994, Patrick.
Why on earth would he apologize for his latest comment?
Okay, well, I think it's... Well, I hope he doesn't.
But if he does, we won't have the opportunity to tie him to such vulgar language and then tie him to all of them.
But the whole point, you think he doesn't know he's being vulgar?
You think he does it accidentally?
That's his shtick.
He's like a shock jock.
Well, like I said, we have no salespeople in the Republican Party.
And you just convinced me of it.
It's a much bigger problem than that, Patrick.
It's not a function of not having salespeople.
We don't have people of courage apart from the 20 who for four days made sure the new speaker would be actually a speaker.
It's cowards that we have a problem with.
Once we fix the coward problem, then we can get some salesmen.
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Name me a world leader who changed places with Xi Jinping.
Name me one!
Name me one!
Why are you shouting?
It's very strange, Joe Biden.
It's the State of the Union.
It's not the irascible old People's Home Collective.
That was Tuesday night, just a reminder of the fact that that man is always 30 feet away from something called the nuclear football.
How far have we sunken in just the last two years?
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We love the long form here in America First, and he's a great supporter of the show.
Now we have the luxury of time to drill down.
Former cabinet member, the Trump administration, responsible for Veterans Affairs, but before that, even more important given the current geopolitical climate, He was responsible for all readiness across U.S.
armed forces.
He is former Secretary Robert Wilkie.
Welcome in studio, Secretary.
Good to see you, Doctor.
Thank you for having me.
I know neither of us are experts in senility or psychiatry, but any idea, now that we've had two days to analyze this, what did he mean by nobody wants to swap places with Xi Jinping?
I don't know why he would say that.
Maybe he wants to, and he's trying to deny himself.
It's so peculiar.
It is peculiar, but it's par for the course.
Let's talk about that for a minute.
Please.
A speech that obviously was rambling, incoherent, there were all these stumbles.
And I think Brit Hume said it, people are watching this and they're saying, this man wants four more years.
It's hard to get your arms around that.
But we do know from that speech that his number one priority He did have one that really stuck out for me.
It's to make the world safe for Taylor Swift concerts.
He said he was going to crack down on ticketing agencies like Ticketmaster who put in junk fees for concerts.
And I know that's got the Beijing mandarins quaking.
He didn't spend a lot of time on China.
And let's also talk about what his administration's view is, and you'll talk about General Milley in a few minutes, but Milley is the front for this.
Can you imagine Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan saying, we are just competitors with the Soviet Union?
Or Kennedy.
Or Kennedy.
This is just a normal power, same kind of power that you would find going all the way back to Charlemagne and the Holy Roman Empire.
These people have no faith in this country.
They are appeasers.
They are not talking about China as the enemy.
They are in Japan talking about China as the enemy.
And Taiwan.
And Taiwan.
They're even talking about it in the Philippines, but not in Washington, D.C.
And as long as that is your worldview, you're always going to be on the back foot regarding the Chinese.
We saw the second great debacle of this administration, the first one being Afghanistan.
When this Chinese balloon made its way not only across the Pacific, but across the continent of North America from Alaska through Canada.
And now we have the commander of North American Aerospace Defense saying, I didn't see it.
Now he ought to be fired or that whole command just done away with.
And these are the people who track Santa Claus.
Yes, now year-round.
A year-round.
But to see that breach in a system that we know was tried and tested in the 50s and 60s.
is stunning.
But don't expect this White House to act on it.
And they think it's a great victory to allow a balloon, which they still say was following the weather patterns over all of our missile fields, Whiteman Air Force Base, which is where the B-2s are in Missouri.
By the way, do you know the university with the highest percentage of students from China?
It's Central Missouri State University.
Now, why that?
I'm sure it's a fine school.
It sits next to Knob Noster, Missouri, which is the hometown of Whiteman Air Force Base.
Our B-2s and our redundant ICBM commands, in case anything happens to the others that goes to Whiteman.
They're there.
No coincidences.
And this administration fiddles while Rome is burning.
I wanted to read a quote.
Yeah, let's talk about this quote you brought for us because the balloon escapade happened deliberately timed for the Secretary of State's visit to China and the State of the Union and you have another commander's intent expression that I think is a contrast.
not someone that conservatives laud normally, Franklin Roosevelt, but a man who was faced with incredible decisions.
A country that was isolationist, did not want anything to do with Europe, but he at least saw the danger.
And it's 1940, and German ships are off Cape Hatteras.
And he sent a very simple message to Berlin and to Rome, because the Italians were involved.
He said, let this warning be clear.
From now on, if any German or Italian vessel of war enters the waters or the prohibitive zones of America, they do so at their own peril.
That's FDR.
That's FDR.
Joe Biden is what me worry.
And the Chinese continue their advance.
Taiwan continues to be threatened.
And they view this as an economic competition.
Right, so let's remind everybody what the man who was former Chief of Staff of the Army, who is now the highest ranking military officer in the United States, allegedly we are still the most powerful nation in the world, what he had to say about the nation that has just traversed our airspace with a surveillance vessel.
This is Mark Milley in uniform, not just uniform, not just dress uniform, in his combat at a public event not too long ago.
China is not an enemy.
And I think that's important for people to clearly understand.
China is a rising power.
China has been a rising power since Deng Xiaoping in 1979.
And they are going to develop themselves, and are developing themselves, into a great power.
That is not to say, however, that they are an enemy.
Not an enemy, a great power, a nation that can now point to the world.
I mean, this is the whole point of using technology that's over 100 years old.
They can point to the world.
Look, we wasn't a satellite.
It wasn't a stealth vehicle at Mach 3.
It was a balloon that penetrated our airspace and traversed the whole of the country.
They can say to every nation of the world, the Singapore's, the Vietnam's.
It's an 18th century technology.
Yes, it's Blerio.
It's Blerio.
And say, look, we can do this with impunity.
I mean, how powerful a message is that section?
And they've admitted that we didn't see it.
They've admitted that we didn't see it.
Well, let's talk about Millie.
The notion that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs will repeat these faculty lounge lunacy is indicative of what's happened to the armed forces under Biden.
Lowest recruiting numbers in history.
History of the all-volunteer force.
Our services are being ripped apart by the social justice warriors from the White House who are actually in charge.
Why do I say that?
The Trump-Reagan-to-Bush models is that you put strong people in charge of the Cabinet.
The White House just gives general direction.
And let strong people go.
The opposite is true with the Obama-Biden model.
The secretaries are just clerks.
Right.
The White House runs everything.
These departments are overwhelmed by White House staffers who direct every mission, every letter.
In my old agency, they can't send out a buck letter without a White House sanity check.
Everything is political.
And with the mindset of the radicals who are in the White House, remember these people believe that America is the problem.
That is in their bones.
We are the problem.
We are the problem.
The West, the Anglo-American... English-speaking world.
Let's use a Churchillian phrase.
The English-speaking world is the font of all evil.
And we are the apotheosis of that, therefore, America.
That's right.
We're the inheritors.
This is the peculiar situation.
We have to internalize this, that we are in this unique situation where the elite that has the power hates the nation over which they have the power.
Is a situation that cannot be allowed to stand.
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Chinese leaders say we're the enemy.
Yes, we'll do that.
Come in with the Biden cut on Afghanistan, please.
We completed one of the biggest airlifts in history, with more than 120,000 people evacuated to safety.
That number is more than double what most experts thought were possible.
No nation, no nation has ever done anything like it in all of history.
The only the United States had the capacity and the will and ability to do it and we did it today.
The extraordinary success of this mission was due to the incredible skill, bravely and selfless courage of the United States military and our diplomats.
That was, of course, after our withdrawal, our surrender of Afghanistan with the only strategic airfield in Central Asia that we had access to, called a mission success by the commander-in-chief right after that action.
I feel, Secretary Wilkie, whether it's Mark Milley saying China's not our enemy, telling his equivalent in the PLA, don't worry if President Trump wants to attack you, I'll give you a heads up, or whether it's Biden saying the Afghan surrender with 13 of our warfighters dead is a success.
I feel like we're living in a bizarro world, as if there's real life, there's Putin in Ukraine, there's China with its balloons, there's 13 servicemen and women dead in Afghanistan, And then there's this alternate reality.
And the ahistoricism of these people.
First of all, it's not the largest evacuation.
The largest evacuation was done from the beaches of Dunkirk.
Three times as many people evacuated.
On small little private boats.
On little boats and destroyers.
And the courage of the Royal Navy and the British merchants.
So it was success so much that Churchill immediately said, wars are not won by evacuations, even though he managed to save the British expeditionary force and two divisions of French soldiers.
He didn't hide it.
He didn't hide it.
What Biden did was the greatest military, performed the greatest military disaster since the surrender of the Philippines.
And then even the evacuation from Vietnam.
That was not a moment of pride for the United States.
Even though we had stepped away from combat operations for about two years, to see the American embassy flooded with desperate people, clinging to the skids of helicopters to get away from communists, and then to see this, someone who has always, Biden, and I've seen him in my military life, and also in my days in the Senate, he always believes he's the smartest person in the room.
Which is quite remarkable.
It's cloud cuckoo.
I mean, given what Democrats have said about him, including Obama, Robert Gates, the fact that he still believes it.
Yeah.
And for him to call an evacuation a triumph, when the United States was humiliated in front of the world, they did everything wrong.
You know, you do these things, you collapse the pocket by leaving a force to protect those you're evacuating.
Well, they got rid of that.
And the result were young Americans died.
The Chinese have played upon this.
Putin used it.
We've got... Well, that was the signal for Ukraine.
That's exactly right.
And, you know, Putin had a flashback.
Oh, well, the last time Biden, Blinken and Sullivan were in charge, I gobbled up the eastern part of Ukraine.
We'll talk about your latest piece this morning.
America laid low, and I think you really have to go back to my childhood when the hostages were taken.
And I can remember I was at Fort Bragg.
I was a junior high school student.
And I was at a junior varsity football game, and I was sitting behind some of my teachers.
And I remember two of them saying, after the hostages were taken, and it struck me even then, anybody who wants us can have us.
Really?
And this is Fort Bragg.
This is the most decorated.
The Brotherhood.
These are the All-Americans of the 82nd, my father's unit, the Special Force.
And I remember those teachers saying that, and I'm reminded of it every time we see Mr. Biden at work.
Those were dark times.
The outgrowth of that was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Because they knew Carter was weak.
What we see here is the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
We see the Iranians raising their head, and we see the Chinese flying balloons over our territory.
And by the way, if anyone wants to know, I spent the first two years of the Trump administration at the Pentagon, I never heard about any balloon coming.
We had confirmation from my colleague, the head of strategy and plans in the NSC.
You will be with him, I believe, on my show on Newsmax this weekend.
Brigadier General Rob Spalding, who said, if it occurred under our tenure, we were never told, which again goes back to either Mark Milley, or General Mattis, knowing of it, neither elected to any position, meant to be working for the incumbent Commander-in-Chief, who did not inform the Commander-in-Chief.
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One thing, I think most of our listeners are familiar with you, but we do have several million across the nation.
Hopefully we have new ones tuning in every single segment.
So, would you just spend a little bit of time, Secretary, on who this person Robert Wilkie is?
Because you have an unusual background.
Not many people can say, They've served in multiple services of the armed forces.
And then, explain what you do.
I mean, being a member of a cabinet is, of course, you know, the height of a career.
But your job in the Pentagon was perhaps one of the most important when it comes to national security outside of the Oval.
So, will you share a few words about your career path?
I think you're of the same vintage.
When were you born? 62.
Oh, I'm a little bit younger than you.
You are younger.
But you wear it well.
Yeah, thank you.
And who your dad was?
Well, the most formative part of my life was growing up as the son of a combat soldier.
My father, highly decorated artillery officer, seriously wounded in the invasion of Cambodia.
I often said in my speeches at VA that, you know, as a youngster when I was in school, When a child was called to the principal's office, there was always a chance that there was bad news from Southeast Asia.
And I saw the green sedans come up with the triangulated flags.
My family has a long history of military service.
Mine, compared to my ancestors, is incredibly modest.
Reserve officer.
But in multiple services?
Yes, in the Navy and the Air Force.
So the only thing my family has never touched is the Marine Corps.
They don't like the taste of crayons?
We like our comforts.
I stayed in the reserves through my service with Secretary Rumsfeld and Gates and then later with Mattis and in the cabinet because it keeps me grounded.
I get to talk to troops.
I get to see what's going on.
I was the Senior Director of the National Security Council under Dr. Rice and Steve Hadley.
Assistant Secretary for Don Rumsfeld.
And what did you do in the Pentagon for President Trump?
For President Trump, I was the Undersecretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness.
Which means you have to make sure that we are ready to go.
We are ready to go.
I did everything from making sure we had ammunition and that we had ships ready to be built to chairing the Close Combat Lethality Task Force.
Which is an interesting job for an Air Force officer.
But how do we make our troops more survivable?
All of that is gone with this administration.
And what we see is the politicization of the senior officer corps.
It really began to steamroll in 2020.
But I saw it back under the Obama years, when I was in the DoD.
I felt very at home with anybody under the rank of O5.
As soon as somebody saw the potential for a star, that even at NDU where I served, where you go, it's the capstone, it's where you get prepped to become a flag officer, a general.
I saw this Politicization, but from the officers themselves wanting to become yes-men.
And it disturbed me.
There is now an ethic in the armed services.
Go along to get along.
People are afraid to speak.
They're afraid to take chances.
Let me give you a contrast as to what happens when people take chances and they are recognized for taking those chances.
There was a young lieutenant who was commanding a minesweeper.
And he was running his crew through every conceivable type of combat scenario, and he hit a sandbar.
Well, in most cases in the Navy, if you hit a sandbar, you're gone.
Well, somebody in the Navy chain said, no, this officer needs to be protected.
His name was Chester Nimitz.
Oh, my gosh.
If they had followed, if that had been today, Heat have been gone.
Risk aversion.
That is now the ethic.
And then lectures on pronouns.
And then you go to the academies.
They've dumbed down their standards.
They are hemorrhaging applicants.
You don't have to take a course in military history at West Point, but you are learning critical race theory.
And it is something that needs to be purged, and it needs to be purged in one swoop.
I'm going to ask you how we do that, because it can be done.
President Reagan did it.
President Trump did it under your tenure as well.
I have a question specifically on what can be done in the next Trump administration.
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So, we were at, my producer and I had the honor of being at Mar-a-Lago for the launched the announcement of President Trump's campaign.
He gave a sterling speech.
There were two standing ovations.
One for Eric Trump, who he asked to be recognized from the floor as one of the most hounded men in political history.
And then at the end, Melania, who I didn't expect to see that evening, came up onto the stage and the crowd went wild.
She was beaming.
It was an amazing, amazing moment.
But there is Something we have to talk about in terms of Commander's intent.
Here's a little reminder of what President Trump said that night at Mar-a-Lago at his residence.
China, Russia, Iran and North Korea were in check and respected.
They respected the United States and quite honestly, they respected me.
I knew them well.
I knew them well.
The vicious ISIS caliphate, which no president was able to conquer, was decimated by me and our great warriors in less than three weeks, and al-Baghdadi, its founder, was hunted down and killed.
North Korea had not launched North Korea had not launched a single long-range missile since my summit with Chairman Kim Jong-un nearly three years before.
We developed a relationship, and that's a good thing, not a bad thing.
It's a good thing.
Very good thing, actually, because look at what's happening today.
My opponents made me out to be a warmonger.
They did, and there were no new wars, unlike what we've witnessed in the last two years.
There was a senator from Illinois who said elections have consequences.
It's truly remarkable.
We tend to forget this, but just the changing of the leadership at the top can have tectonic geopolitical consequences.
If we look at what happened in Georgia, in Crimea under Obama, what happened in Ukraine under Biden, in Afghanistan, and then we have the interstitial of the four years of President Trump, that's because of an election, Secretary Wilkie.
And we need that election sooner than we know.
Let's talk about your observation about how you clean the stables.
It's been done twice dramatically in our history.
The first time was in the 1930s with the accession of George Marshall.
Yes.
And he kept a sheet.
And he cleaned out the old, tired, risk-averse generals who had grown up in peacetime.
And he plucked people like Dwight Eisenhower, who was a lieutenant colonel, and made him a brigadier.
He took George Patton from the command at Fort Myer and handed him the 2nd Armored Division.
He was commanding a regiment at Fort Myer, and all of a sudden he's commanding the 2nd Armored Division.
And Bradley, who had been an instructor at Fort Benning.
These people were moved to the top of the food chain.
Ronald Reagan sent shockwaves through the department.
He put in charge Caspar Weinberger, a veteran of World War II who had seen combat at its rawest.
He was given a check, but more importantly, he was given the authority to clean house.
And the appeasers and the dead-enders were moved out.
Programs were put in train to overwhelm the Soviet Union.
So you have a combination of those two.
You have the dynamic leadership of someone like a Weinberger, and then the military foresight of a General Marshall.
Let me add one thing and I'd like you as the practitioner who had to be responsible for readiness.
There's a regular guest on the show and guest host who's a former Green Beret and also there's of course Colonel Kurt Schlichter and Colonel Schlichter says The biggest change comes when you change what it is you're measuring.
If the commander is measuring wokeness, then the subordinates will promote wokeness.
If the commander wants to measure combat effectiveness, is it really that simple?
Let me give you an example.
So one of the first things that this administration did Let's go to Fort Bragg, a place you and I are very familiar with.
You have the 82nd Airborne Division, and then you have the U.S.
Army Special Operations Command and a Special Forces group.
One of the first things they did was to tell battalion commanders they are no longer authorized To conduct training regiments that meet the requirements that they believe their troops need to meet in order to survive combat.
It means you have to go to the lowest common denominator, which in this army is 10 sit-ups, 10 push-ups, and I think you walk a mile under Biden.
So that tells you what the priorities are.
And I can see the first day of a Trump administration.
The directive comes from the White House that every diversity, equity, and inclusion instructor and contractor is terminated.
That every course force-fed to our troops about climate change is done away with.
A couple of heads in the Joint Chiefs role which sends a shiver down the chain.
And then you get someone in who starts looking, not at the top layer, but looking at those combat-hardened officers who were younger. - Well, this is my question.
Do we have enough Bradleys, Pattons, Eisenhowers?
Are they on the radar screen of people who can choose them?
They can be if you're looking for them.
This crowd is not looking for them.
And I always fall back on what Bismarck said, that God does only a few things.
He protects fools, He protects drunkards, and He protects the United States of America.
But it needs to be dramatic.
It needs to be immediate.
And the other thing, the President has to go to the Congress and say, under Ronald Reagan, we spent 9% of our GDP on defense.
Under Joe Biden, we're below 3% and headed to 2.5%.
This nation needs an infusion of money and technical wizardry to confront this danger.
We can do it.
We've done it in the past.
The graveyards are full of people who've underestimated America.
The difference, though, and you talk about it every day, is that now we have people in charge who don't believe this nation is the greatest hope on the planet.
It is one of the most perverse things.
I can't imagine doing it myself, to run for and to win office, to control something I hate.
I just, I can't get my head around it.
It's just the level of perversion that beggars my mind.
We're talking to a good friend of mine, a good friend of the show, a great, great patriot.
He's former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Senior Strategist for Newsmax, Senior Fellow at the America First Policy Institute, Robert Wilkie.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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No, go ahead.
Let me say something else about the State of the Union.
You may.
The floor is yours, Mr. Secretary.
And it was just remarkable listening to someone who screams for 90 minutes.
But he mentioned veterans.
And he said that the administration had reduced the number of veteran suicides from 25 to 17.
The 25 number comes from the Obama-Biden watch.
Under President Trump, we cut suicides amongst veterans by almost a third.
Under President Trump, we took an agency that had a 37% approval rating under Obama-Biden and left with a 92%.
You mean the VA?
The VA.
We also gave every veteran the opportunity to choose health care that fit his or her needs or the needs of the family.
So not to have it foisted upon them in a way they couldn't choose?
By the government.
They've destroyed choice.
They've turned veterans into a social action department.
They're promoting abortions.
They're promoting transgender surgeries.
Not the needs of those who've been in combat.
If you want to see the great contrast between what President Trump did and what Joe Biden is doing, just look at VA.
And look at that nonsense that he spouted last night.
And by the way, he didn't even know the name of his cabinet secretary.
I have to ask you, when President Trump tapped you on the shoulder and took you from the Pentagon to be Secretary of Veterans Affairs, did you like say, why does God hate me?
That's right.
Well, you know, it is a sacred mission.
It was born in what I've described as the most biblically righteous address ever given by an American president, the second inaugural.
And by the way, and you know this because you commented on it while it was going on, I spent three years fighting the United States House.
We're trying to take Mr. Lincoln's words, the second inaugural address of every VA hospital and our headquarters bill.
But it was under Obama, the dysfunctional family picnic.
And what President Trump allowed me to do was take the fetters off people.
Fire people?
We dismissed over 8,000.
Wow.
And we put veterans health first.
I'll tell you how the swamp reacts.
One of my first directives was that if you have a purple heart, you go to the front of the line.
Nice.
Oh, the lamentations from the House, particularly.
All veterans are equal.
But if you've bled for the nation, you don't... All veterans are equal.
No, they're not.
I'm certainly not equal to my father and his three purple hearts and eight bronze stars.
And we were constantly fighting people who were invested in the failure of the mission.
I call it, after my time in government, in the DOD and then the White House, I call it the tyranny of mediocrity.
Yeah, absolutely.
And when we left with that 92% approval rating, that was one of the great turnarounds in history.
Not recognized, of course, by the Washington Post and the New York Times.
And you notice they've been silent in seven languages about all of the problems that have the brain drain and all the other attendant problems that are now at feet.
We had a long list of things to cover.
We've got to most of them.
I think we have to get Secretary Wilkie back for our manhood hour, given what he's done for this nation and the example of his father.
But I have one last question.
It's a little bit out of left field, but you are one of the most strategically steeped individuals we have as a regular guest on the show.
You're right up there with our listeners' favorites, Victor Davis Hanson, Lord Black.
Can I ask for a little bit of homework advice for our listeners?
Now, they can't replicate being the son of a warrior legend like your father.
But when it comes to doing a bit of homework, when it comes to understanding the things that we enjoy to talk about, geopolitics grand strategy, you've got to read Victor Davis Hanson, read my friend's latest piece today in the Washington Times on the quote-unquote experts who are in read my friend's latest piece today in the Washington Times on Read some Klausiewicz, read some Sun Tzu.
But what else would you say if people have a hankering to understand what...
What we're not doing right as a nation, who should they be reading and listening to?
I'm very much a believer that God has shown on the Anglo-American Imperium, and we have been able to produce great people at all times in our history.
When the call was made, For the British, it has to be the history of the English-speaking peoples.
By Churchill.
By Churchill.
For Americans to understand the extraordinary lives of ordinary people who changed the world, I focus on Mr. Lincoln and Harry Truman.
And George Marshall.
I think there's a great biography of George Marshall that came out three years ago called The Defender of the Republic.
Jeffrey Frank just wrote one on the extraordinary life of an ordinary American, Harry Truman, David Reynolds, Abraham Lincoln and his times, which is more than a biography of Lincoln.
It tells you about what was going on in America at the time and the pressures that this man went through and how he changed the military.
He changed the military from a frontier lackadaisical force of 7,000 into the most powerful military on the planet in several years.
But how he weeded out the weak.
That's good.
And I just finished one, of all people, from Robert Kagan.
Oh, really?
He's not a friend of Mr. Trump.
No.
But it's called The Ghost at the Feast.
How America isolated itself from 1919 to 1941.
How Wilson failed us with his arrogance.
How FDR was confronted with an isolationist country and tried to move the needle.
But in the end, again, the resilience of the nation comes forth in this.
The people who have challenged us.
And this is where we have hope.
All right.
We have some names.
You have your homework.
You have been warned.
We will be asking questions next time.
Truman, Marshall, Lincoln, Churchill.
And of course, don't forget, Churchill was half American.
People forget that.
But Americans, forget it!
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