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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Biden's State of Dis-union

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	Welcome to America First.
	We are exactly five hours and 53 minutes away from the State of the Union address by the current incumbent in the White House.
	I wonder what he will be discussing.
	Somebody on the South Lawn asked him, in the wash of the rotors of Marine One, what he was going to mention about the balloon episode.
	It's hard to hear, but you need to hear it because this man allegedly is the president of the United States.
	Let's listen to President Trump being asked about the China balloon.
	Does this change your speech tomorrow night, sir, and your foreign policy message?
	Why?
	The Chinese is a great separation act.
	Okay, for those of you who aren't watching, let me just describe for you what that video shows.
	Biden is in a baseball hat.
	He's asked, is the Chinese balloon incident going to change what you have to say at the State of the Union?
	He says no.
	Then the second question, harder to hear is, why would the Chinese traverse the whole of America with a surveillance balloon?
	He gets this rictus-like grin, not the journalist, the president.
	And his response, which I don't know, sounds a bit racist to me, is kind of half laughingly, he says, because they're Chinese.
	Eric, isn't that racist to say that a behavior is because of your ethnicity?
	Yeah, I thought we were supposed to elect an anti-racist president in 2020.
	I thought that, you know, Biden was going to be all about diversity and, you know, we're all All equality, all that stuff, and now he's saying, oh, that's just what the Chinese do, is they fly balloons all over our country.
	If you said, like, you know, why is that Irishman drunk?
	Because he's Irish.
	Or why is that Scotsman so aggressive?
	Because he's Scottish.
	Isn't that the same as saying, well, the Chinese flew through our airspace because they're Chinese?
	Surely that's bigoted, Eric.
	I think so.
	I mean, maybe this is his new idea of diplomacy with China.
	I don't know.
	I mean, after capitulating to them didn't work, maybe just try being racist at them.
	It's truly stunning, and as Eric said earlier when we watched that clip, just creepy.
	Just utterly, utterly creepy.
	But here's what's worse than that.
	I'm kind of surprised at the Daily Mail.
	The Daily Mail was one of the two newspapers I read when I was in the UK.
	The Evening Standard that everybody read that came, you know, out as you were heading home from your work and people would read it on the tube, on the subway, on the metro.
	And then the Daily Mail, which was the kind of most popular conservative newspaper.
	And this is their, now they're a giant, they are a global giant.
	In terms of news coverage, they're not just a British newspaper.
	And this is their headline today.
	Or, sorry, this is Saturday's headline.
	Mission Accomplished.
	Now, for those who aren't watching, it shows a US rigid inflatable boat, a naval vessel, recovering the soft fabric of the Chinese spy balloon on one side and on the other side it has that momentary snapshot of the F-22 Raptor detonating its warhead exploding the balloon up in the in the sky and the headline
	is or the the description of the pictures is pentagon releases incredible pictures of navy pulling wreckage of 200 foot chinese spy balloon from atlantic after f-22 shot it down and then the massive headline mission accomplished I think that's today's actually, just the event occurred on Saturday.
	Now let's analyze that for a second.
	Mission accomplished.
	Now of course that's an echo to what?
	It's the echo of George W. Bush landing on an aircraft carrier in his National Guard Air Force G suit and during the Iraq operation with a massive banner Behind him on the aircraft carrier saying mission accomplished.
	I don't think, I don't think the Daily Mail is being ironic.
	I think they're trying to echo that moment.
	But is it a dig at the Biden administration?
	Who really believes it was mission accomplished?
	Who can look at that photograph of the wreckage of the surveillance balloon and say, yeah, we did our job.
	Is it the Biden Defense Department?
	That allowed that enemy surveillance vessel to traverse all of the United States.
	From Alaska all the way down to South Carolina.
	In a diagonal swath across the nation, flying above very sensitive areas, military bases, missile silos.
	Is that mission accomplished?
	To allow it to do that?
	To collect signals, intelligence, across the United States?
	Or rather, if you are General Li of the People's Liberation Army of Communist China and you're sitting in Beijing, would you think mission accomplished?
	No harm's been done to your intelligence-gathering capabilities.
	Yes, you need to buy another balloon.
	I'm sure they can afford that.
	But you have traversed the United States.
	You have scooped up everything you needed to scoop up and then eventually once you're over the ocean that nobody cares about you were shot down.
	So yes, mission accomplished if you are our strategic peer competitor and you are Communist China.
	Now let's put it into context of this administration and the man who He currently serves as the most senior military officer in the most powerful nation in the world.
	The disgrace to the U.S.
	Army uniform, who is Mark Milley.
	He said the following words, dressed in combats.
	Not in dress uniform, not, you know, in his ceremonial uniform.
	In camouflage combats.
	He said this at a public event.
	Cut 11.
	China is not an enemy.
	And I think that's important for people to clearly understand.
	China is a rising power.
	China has been a rising power since Deng Xiaoping in 1979.
	And they are going to develop themselves, and are developing themselves, into a great power.
	That is not to say, however, that they are an enemy.
	They are not our enemy.
	They are not a great enemy.
	He said that as the Chief of Staff of the U.S.
	Army.
	A man who later became the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the Advisor on Military Affairs to the President of the United States.
	A man who in that position admitted in copious lengthy interviews with a left-wing journalist who published them in a book
	That when President Trump was his boss, the elected Commander-in-Chief, he communicated with General Li in Beijing that should President Trump be planning any kind of military action against Communist China, he shouldn't worry because he, General Milley, would provide adequate prior warning.
	This is the same man who allegedly on Wednesday, when told by Biden to shoot down the balloon, the Chinese spy balloon, said no, and we're going to wait until it finishes its mission and is above the ocean.
	So mission accomplished indeed, especially if you're Mark Milley and the interests you want to protect are the interests of our only strategic level enemy, Communist China.
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	America First, Magnificent.
	Here's the White House Press Secretary, Corrine Jean-Pierre, just, you know, allaying all your fears about the balloon.
	Cut five.
	Play cut.
	At the same time, we protected against Chinese intelligence collection because we knew exactly where the balloon was going.
	The military recommended taking the balloon down over water following the determination by military commanders that there was undue risk of debris causing harm to civilians while the balloon was over land in Alaska, Canada, or the continental United States.
	So, uh, they knew where it was all the time.
	So why did they let it fly across those military installations?
	Why did they allow it to fly over our missile silos?
	That just adds more questions.
	Then answers questions.
	Will it be mentioned tomorrow at all in the State of the Union?
	We shall see.
	Our number here is 833-33-GORKA.
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	Sound off on the topics of the day.
	Your expectations.
	I had a plan.
	I had a little suggestion for Kevin McCarthy that he should just have a balloon.
	Under the desk, as he's sitting behind Biden, at an opportune moment, just like Nancy ripped up President Trump's speech, he should let the balloon out from under the table.
	Maybe pop it!
	Maybe that would be a fun thing for him to do.
	Will he?
	He needs to do something.
	There's one member of Congress who refuses to go to the State of the Union today because she doesn't need to hear Biden lie anymore.
	I like that approach.
	We're going to have that and so much more.
	We're trying to connect right now to David Goldman.
	Is Mr. Goldman available yet for us to educate us on China?
	Not yet.
	All right, give him a call on his cell phone and then we'll connect like that, if it's not possible to do so via video.
	In the meantime, the number here is 833-33-GORKA.
	833-334-6752.
	If they're getting rid of Joe Biden, who gets to step in?
	It's the cackler.
	It is, of course, Kamala.
	Is that even worse?
	I'd like to hear from you.
	833-33-GORKA.
	That's 833-33-GORKA.
	3, 3, 4, 6, 7, 5, 2.
	But before that, Asia Times' own Spengler columnist author, a man who has been a good friend of the show.
	When we need expertise on what Beijing is thinking, we go to David P. Goldman.
	David Goldman, is he available?
	No, all right.
	I'm going to send you his cell phone number right now, and then you will be able to call him up.
	If we can't get him on Skype, that's fine.
	Let's listen to the cackler, and you tell me, is this going to be worse or better?
	It looks like they're throwing him under the bus.
	Can you agree with what she has to say here?
	Cut seven.
	Play cut.
	We are a nation of immigrants.
	We are a nation of immigrants.
	And it is immigrants who historically, in addition to all others, who have helped strengthen our country, strengthen our economy, and grow our ability to be innovative in a way that has been a model for other places around the world.
	Now if we say, what's the latest estimate?
	Maybe 30 million illegal immigrants in America.
	How many legal immigrants?
	I would say less than 100 million.
	We do let in a million a year, legally.
	So how does that make us a nation of immigrants?
	I'm curious.
	Now I, I am an immigrant.
	I moved here in 2008.
	I waited.
	I bad my time.
	I filled in the forms.
	I paid my money.
	I went to immigration services.
	I even took a test.
	I had to study my civics one-on-one, 101, and passed that test.
	Now, is America full of people like me?
	Let's get your take.
	833-33-GORKA.
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	But let's go to David P. Goldman.
	He is on the line all the way from New York.
	David, Happy New Year.
	It's been a while.
	It's great to hear from the great Sebastian Gorka.
	Happy New Year to you, sir.
	Far too kind, far too kind.
	In the opening of the show, I played a headline from the Daily Mail where they showed the detonation of the spy balloon over the ocean and the recovery by the U.S.
	Navy of parts of the balloon.
	We don't know exactly what's been recovered.
	With the big headline, Mission Accomplished.
	I don't know if they're trying to be wry or satirical, given that the balloon traversed all of America.
	Would it be fair to say, if we're trying to think like the PLA, if we're trying to think like the CCP in China, would they say, Mission Accomplished after the last six days, David?
	Well, given the fact we had to use our most sophisticated fighter, the F-22, and several missiles to shoot down a single observation balloon, I wouldn't say that we covered ourselves with glory in this exercise.
	Problem with balloons, they're kind of like the Iranian drones that have been a plague in Ukraine.
	They're extremely cheap to make.
	Right.
	With new materials, You can put one above the stratosphere with a significant payload, and since there's no wind at that altitude, a small solar-powered motor can basically position it anywhere you want.
	It's not as accurate as a satellite, obviously, but it's much closer to Earth, gets much better resolution, and if the PLA wished, hypothetically, they could flood the American sky with thousands of them.
	This was either a warning or a test of our defenses or simply a psychological profile exercise to see how we reacted.
	And also, people seem to be missing, I think, the point that this isn't just Sino-US related.
	It isn't just perhaps a test of the United States and what conclusions Beijing draws.
	Because they're using something that's so obvious, this isn't a stealth vehicle flying at Mach 3.
	It is a massive, massive balloon that can actually be seen optically if you have the right equipment.
	Means that, isn't there a message sent to everyone in the periphery of China, to the nations such as Vietnam, Singapore and others that, look, we could send such a low-tech vehicle across all of America.
	Isn't there also the knock-on effect of the influence on other nations of the world?
	Well, yes, but the thing that worries me the most, and this is a point made in Asia Times by Steve Bryan, is we have no air defense.
	We have virtually nothing.
	We've got a few Patriots, we have the FAD system, which covers a 125-mile range, which is basically nothing.
	The Chinese have What about 500 large hydrogen bombs and the ballistic missiles with which to shoot them at us if they so choose?
	We've got nothing to stop them.
	The Reagan Strategic Defense Initiative of glorious memory was junked by the Clinton administration and nothing has been done for missile defense since.
	So the Chinese can Give us this much trouble with one balloon, cleverly disguised with Chinese characters.
	Not exactly camouflaged.
	What could they do if, God forbid, there were a nuclear war?
	Chinese don't believe in tactical nuclear weapons.
	They like great big ones that vaporize whole cities.
	So, if anything, I don't know what the Chinese intended, because I can't read their minds.
	But what I take out of it as an American is that we need to go back to what Ronald Reagan proposed, a missile defense system that protects the American homeland, and that should be our priority.
	We'll continue on that vein with David P. Goldman.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	We are back with our friend, our author of You Will Be Assimilated, Asia Times' own David P. Goldman.
	You can follow him at David P. Goldman on Twitter.
	David, we had the former U.S.
	defense attaché from Beijing on the show yesterday.
	He was a colleague of mine.
	in the National Security Council.
	And he said before the next presidential election, action will be taken in Taiwan.
	He talked about some kind of aerial landing of troops or use of helicopters.
	In the break, you said it's going to be a far more Sun Tzu-like approach.
	How would China like to take Taiwan back, David?
	China would like to take Taiwan back by reaching an agreement where the Taiwanese political parties get some kind of role in China itself and sign on to the idea that Taiwan is an inseparable part of mainland China.
	Yeah.
	To co-opt as opposed to kill.
	Can that be done without the use of military force or would it at least require a blockade of the islands?
	The threat of military force may be mightier than the execution.
	That's the Sun Tzu idea.
	Obviously, the iron fist is always beneath the velvet glove when the Chinese are concerned.
	So military force is already on the table.
	The Chinese don't have 2,000 surface-to-ship missiles poised at the Taiwan Strait right now, plus 800 modern aircraft sitting on their coast for nothing.
	So if there were a military action, I think the consensus among analysts, and I hear this from the Chinese as well, is that An actual landing with a pitched battle on the beaches would be highly destructive.
	It would involve heavy losses for the Chinese and also a great deal of loss for Taiwan itself, which they don't want to destroy.
	They want to assimilate.
	So a blockade is much more likely than a Normandy-style landing.
	But China wants to take Taiwan without a fight, if it can.
	Are there any forces inside Taiwan, any political voices that would potentially acquiesce under such a scenario?
	Absolutely.
	The old Kuomintang, Chiang Kai-shek's party, is committed to the one-China principle.
	They want to eventually rule China, and they are very much opposed to secession.
	The Democratic People's Party, which is currently in power, though it got knocked up pretty badly in the last municipal elections, wants to keep Taiwan separate.
	And there are elements of the DPP which want an independent Taiwan.
	China, I think there should be no doubt, will react militarily if it believes that Taiwan is moving towards independence and Western support.
	And the result of that could be really catastrophic.
	So I think it should be avoided.
	And I agree with former Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, whose book I just reviewed in the Claremont Review, that this is a can we should kick down the road.
	Part of the problem is the Chinese outgun us on their coast.
	We need better weapons, anti-missile technology, laser weapons.
	Anti-missile capabilities in order to counter the massive conventional advance the Chinese have built up So we're not in a position to fight them right now.
	And we're not in a position to defend our own airspace, seemingly.
	Can't wait for that review.
	We love the Claremont Review of Books.
	In the meantime, get this man's book.
	The title, You Will Be Assimilated, China's Plan to Sinoform the World.
	David P. Goldman, the Spengler author for Asia Times.
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	Congressman Andy Biggs, welcome back to America First.
	Hey, thanks.
	Thanks, Seb.
	Good to be with you.
	All right.
	I'm not sure I hear that massive amount of excitement in your voice.
	Let me help you with tonight.
	This is something I posted yesterday.
	I hear people stealing the idea.
	I just saw Marjorie Taylor Greene walking around the Capitol with a balloon.
	This is what I posted yesterday.
	Remember Nancy ripping up President Trump's State of the Union speech?
	I've got an idea for Kevin McCarthy.
	It involves a balloon, a red one, with the CCP emblem on it.
	Any thoughts?
	Andy Biggs, what do you think?
	Yeah, I mean, it's a great idea.
	I'm going to credit you with having the idea.
	First, my office has been inundated with people calling, saying we should bring either a red balloon or a white helium balloon.
	Either way.
	It would be reflective of the incompetence, not just incompetence, but the willful dereliction of this administration.
	I'm just curious.
	I mean, if I were a betting man, I'd probably lay some bets now.
	Is he even going to mention the balloon incident tonight?
	No, no, he's not going to mention the balloon incident.
	No, he's going to talk about how great everything is and that If you don't think it's great, you're just missing out on it.
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	Congressman Biggs, please follow this man right now.
	Rep Andy Biggs, AZ.
	Rep Andy Biggs, AZ.
	Look, you were in the fight those four days where we made sure the new speaker was going to behave in ways that are Different from the predecessor from Empress Nancy.
	It looks pretty good in the last few weeks, especially with the beginning of various committees.
	Are you satisfied so far with what you've witnessed?
	Yeah, I think generally he's, I have a very positive outlook of what he's done.
	Look, you know, we've got some people on the Rules Committee that are really solid, new people on Appropriations Committee.
	A throwback, I would have liked more, I'd like the 2019 budget, but he went back to the 2022 and says, Cap, we can't have more than that.
	You know, so there's been some real progress made there, Seb, and it would not, it simply would not have happened, but for the fact that we had those four days that a lot of people felt uncomfortable with, but you know what?
	A constitutional republic with robust debate will sometimes make people uncomfortable, but you're going to produce a good outcome, I think.
	And I think we did.
	No, I absolutely think you did and we congratulate and we are very grateful to the 20.
	However, and this is what is still not discussed adequately, because of that Scalduggerous under-the-table deal with Mitch McConnell and the Democrats.
	Basically, your power of the purse in the House has been neutered until September, correct?
	Yeah, largely so.
	They took away 90-95% of our leverage when they passed that ridiculous omnibus bill.
	And you had 18 Republicans in the Senate that voted for that.
	That's absurd.
	And so now, the next time you can use the purse is in this rather amorphous debate regarding debt ceiling increase.
	And by the way, Sebastian, you know what they told me last night?
	And what is the expectation?
	Is that going to happen?
	Can it be stopped, Andy?
	It can be stopped.
	is seeking over the next two years to increase our debt ceiling.
	So our national debt will go over $35 trillion in the next two years if the Biden administration has its way.
	And what is the expectation?
	Is that going to happen?
	Can it be stopped, Andy?
	It can be stopped.
	I mean, there's some real difficult to explain sequences, but one of them that everybody needs to know is that the Federal Reserve is the biggest holder of our debt.
	and then Social Security Trust Fund and Medicare Trust Fund.
	In other words, we owe ourselves this money, right?
	So we could actually we could bring that under control in some ways.
	But then the other thing is you're going to have to reduce spending.
	And then we have to claw back money.
	So the omnibus bill, everything that they were spending on Green New Deal stuff and the infrastructure and the omnibus bill, we need to start clawing that back and rescinding that money.
	They're called rescissions.
	Bring it back into the Treasury so we don't have to increase the debt ceiling.
	That's part of what we're advocating for.
	We have to reduce spending.
	You've got the discretionary side where you've got absolute amounts of waste.
	And I'm talking about, you know, just why not make sure if you're going to get social welfare benefits that you're working.
	If you're an able-bodied person, you should have to work to get those social welfare benefits and benefits.
	The number of people that will go back to work would be beneficial to the economy, number one.
	Number two, it would also reduce the amount of social welfare payments we have to make, which means that we wouldn't need to raise the debt ceiling.
	We would not need as much money in our federal spending.
	I was told also there is a tool that is available to you since Speaker Gingrich put it in place that could be applied to out-of-control agencies like the ATF, where you can freeze a certain decision.
	Is that real?
	Is it possible?
	Will the Republicans potentially use it with out-of-control agencies like the ATF?
	There's two tools like that, but they both would require The Senate and the White House to concur.
	I think we can get stuff like that done through the House.
	I think there's enough votes in the House to get that done.
	But you've got to get it through the Senate and the Presidency.
	And that means the President wants to just keep spending money.
	Let's just be honest.
	I don't know how in the world anybody on the Republican side can justify raising the debt ceiling three to four trillion dollars over the next two years.
	I just don't know how to justify that.
	It's sailors on payday, drunken sailors out of control.
	One of the good guys is Andy Biggs, biggs.house.gov.
	How many balloons will we have tonight?
	We will see.
	Maybe his will be one of them.
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	For bigs... Something about the balloons?
	How many balloons should we take tonight?
	And then the second thing, the second... Goldman.
	Goldman, Biden balloon, colon, Will Lane play Taiwan next?
	You can open the lines.
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	What do you think of the new setup of Twitter, Eric?
	Which part?
	How they split the feed into 4U and following.
	Oh, that.
	Yeah.
	I kind of... I'm surprised by that.
	It took me a while to realize that that's what it was.
	That there's a 4U and then a broader trending section.
	I like it.
	I like it.
	Makes it so not everyone is seeing the same feed.
	Like, oh, Game of Thrones is trending.
	stuff like that.
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	Line 1, California, Sylvia!
	Hi, Dr. G. I haven't spoken to you in a while.
	Are you on speakerphone, Sylvia?
	Are you insulting me by being on speakerphone?
	I'm not.
	I was going to my trashcan.
	I was waiting for you to answer.
	All right.
	Carry on.
	I've got lots of callers.
	What's your question?
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	My comment is, it doesn't matter if it's the crotchety old man or the cackler with the title of the president.
	Neither one of them, I believe, would be running this country, and I don't believe they're running this country now.
	I believe it's an Obama administration.
	No, it's not.
	Stop it.
	Stop it.
	I've told every listener on this show at least 300 times, he's far too lazy.
	It's not Obama.
	You know he's lazy, right?
	You know that he's in autobiography.
	He admitted how lazy he is.
	He might not be doing it, but it's his agenda.
	Yeah, maybe.
	He was pretty weak.
	He didn't get much done except for Obamacare.
	This is much, much, much, much worse than Obama.
	Thank you, my dear.
	Let's go to Albuquerque.
	James, welcome to America First.
	Sebastian, hey, thank you for standing up and speaking the truth.
	I agree with everything you say.
	And you know what?
	We know as Christians that it's going to get worse than it gets better.
	Uh, and America's not even mentioned in the Bible, but the Bible does mention a million-man military.
	God can still bless us because he has blessed our country.
	And that could turn around.
	But the only way to turn this country around is to get Donald Trump, President Donald Trump, back in office.
	The only way anything's going to change in this country is putting a Republican in there.
	And for one thing is to get these political prisoners from January 6th, give them a pardon when we get President Donald Trump back in there.
	But for the most part, This state of delusion addressed tonight from the person is going to be in a state of confusion is unbelievable.
	But it's a dog and pony show and that's being disrespectful to dog and ponies.
	But there is a representative named Mary Miller from Illinois.
	I know, she's the one I mentioned earlier that's refusing to go tonight because she doesn't want to hear Biden lie again.
	I think all conservatives should stand up and say, no, we're not going over there.
	It's a really good point.
	I'm really curious.
	Why are Republicans even going tonight?
	It's a very, very good question, but I like it.
	State of delusion is a better description.
	God bless you all.
	It is one hour in.
	Where did that go?
	That's sheer insanity.
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	The State of the Union tonight at 9 p.m.
	What are you expecting Beijing Biden to say and what should Kevin McCarthy do?
	Should he rip up the speech like Nancy did with my old boss President Trump?
	I've got a better idea.
	Maybe he could just reach down and Pull out a balloon and pop it behind Biden.
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	Well, thanks to you and Mike Gallagher, I took your advice beginning of April.
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	Arnold, God bless.
	I'm going to share that with Dr. Lucas.
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	And by the way, I'm 80 years old.
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	I feel great.
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	I do an hour of cardio.
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	Yeah, sure.
	I'll be happy to do that.
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	Eric will take your details and we'll get that photograph.
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	Welcome back.
	Hour two of America First on the Salem News Channel.
	We're going to connect with Dr. Lord, Conrad Black, momentarily.
	But I had a special caller on the line in the break, and I want to share this with you, because we don't get this every day.
	Arnold, are you still with us?
	Yeah, let's go to Arnold in Atlanta, line two.
	Are you there, Arnold?
	I'm here.
	All right.
	Will you tell all of our millions of listeners what you told me in the break?
	Yes.
	I'm 80 years old, and Sebastian and Mike Gallagher convinced me to call PhD weight loss, and I signed up.
	I've lost 46 pounds, and I've been on maintenance actually since the end of August.
	I feel great.
	Now let's not try to take all the credit.
	Arnold.
	I feel great.
	And truly, I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it was mostly me that convinced you, not Mike Gallagher, right?
	Now, let's not try to take all the credit.
	No, no, just a little bit more.
	Truthfully, I heard Mike first.
	Oh, no, you didn't.
	You didn't.
	You dreamt that.
	Alright, stay on the line Arnold.
	We love hearing that.
	He goes to the gym five days a week, 46 pounds, my PhD weight loss.
	We love to hear these stories.
	It just revivifies you.
	You feel so great.
	Stay on the line because I want a photograph of how amazing Arnold looks today.
	We'll get those details and we'll have Arnold share that.
	I might put it up on the screen, another amazing success story from my PhD weight loss.
	All right, don't go anywhere else.
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	And I think, have we got Lord Black on the line?
	You do.
	Conrad!
	Happy... What is it?
	Is it Tuesday?
	I do believe it's Tuesday.
	It is.
	It's Tuesday.
	So much to discuss.
	We can talk about what should be happening at 9 p.m.
	Eastern tonight.
	Before we get to that, and your take as a presidential historian of note, we have to discuss the last six days.
	As a former media mogul, let's put this headline up on the screen.
	This was a little bit surprising for me.
	I don't know if they were being satirical.
	This is the Daily Mail out of London, Conrad.
	A photograph of the balloon being exploded on Saturday and a photograph from the US Navy of the The remnants of the balloon being pulled out of the sea with a massive broadsheet headline, mission accomplished.
	I'm not sure if that's an infra dig on George W. Bush after Iraq or it's mission accomplished from the from the take of Beijing.
	But your reaction to the the story of Biden's balloon?
	Well, look, I think the mail, you know, it's a It's the most respectable of the sensational London papers.
	That's a good way of putting it.
	It's a tabloid, but it's a clever, but rather flippant tabloid.
	And I think they're making fun of it.
	I mean, the mighty United States Air Force shoots down a balloon, for God's sake.
	It's not a real challenge, you know.
	I mean, you and I could have shot it down if we'd gone up in a I think we need to know more about what the balloon was carrying.
	Right.
	I'll throw an arrow.
	Right.
	But on what I look at, I think we need to know more about what the balloon was carrying.
	I mean, if it really was a serious espionage operation, that is pretty cheeky of the Chinese to be so nonchalant and complacent that they think they could put this over at 60,000 feet, which that is pretty cheeky of the Chinese to be so nonchalant and complacent that they think they could put this over at 60,000 feet, which is only a little above where airliners fly, and a balloon where
	And it's just a nervy and annoying thing to do.
	So if it, if it, if it, If there's nothing of any espionage significance in what the balloon was carrying, then it's probably a pretty innocuous story.
	I mean, they were just setting up balloons and one of them got out of control.
	But can we say that it could be just an innocuous happenstance if we look at two concurrent events, which is Blinken's departure, or planned departure to Beijing for a US-Sino summit, And of course, tonight's State of the Union.
	Do we really think that wasn't part and parcel of this mission, the exact timing?
	You can overthink these things and you can impute exaggeratedly intricate motives to people, especially a devious regime like that in Beijing.
	But I think you're probably right that It's unlikely to be quite as benign as just a weather balloon that got out of control.
	I mean, it strikes me as just an unusually, and in fairness, imaginatively nervy thing for the Chinese to do.
	But I think, at least because, I mean, I'm one of those who thought that they should have shot it down in Alaska, and I don't think the Canadians would have objected.
	The Canadians themselves would have shot it down.
	Canada's Air Force is not as great as the Americans, who can certainly shoot down a balloon.
	If requested, I think they would have done it in northern Alberta or something, where there are very few people.
	But I think it should not have been allowed to drift right across the middle of the United States the way it did.
	So, you know, I'd be a bit critical of the President for that, but the idea of something like that doing, you know, actually damaging or injuring a person in a relatively sparsely populated place like Montana is quite small, I think.
	But it's just a bizarre episode, and as I say, fortunately, I believe that The contents of the balloon, the payload, sank in only less than 50 feet of water, so they should be able to retrieve it all.
	And I guess we should wait for that.
	But on its face, it looks to me like another cheeky and annoying move by the Chinese.
	But certainly in the espionage area, Much more sophisticated ways of trying to figure out what's going on with American missile silos and things like that than a slow-moving balloon.
	Airliner height.
	But that's potentially the point.
	So let's unpack that as some have already done.
	So yes, they have far more sophisticated military satellite capabilities.
	However, those aren't visible to the average taxpayer.
	They don't become stories.
	They just rotate around the world and they do their business covertly.
	But putting in this incredibly low-tech device, it is visible with a pair of binoculars that took days and days to literally traverse diagonally across the whole nation.
	Let's look at it from the secondary and tertiary perspective of those nations on the periphery of China that have been intimidated by a re-militarized, revanchist China.
	Nations like Singapore, like Taiwan, like Vietnam, What conclusions could they be drawing geopolitically when they see this story reported everywhere, not just on the front page of the Daily Mail, that seemingly the most powerful nation in the world isn't able to police its own airspace and China has managed to penetrate it for days on end?
	Isn't that potentially a little bit more than just being cheeky?
	Yeah, I don't think they would draw that conclusion.
	As I wrote up here, it appeared to be Not markedly different from the balloon with which Leon Gambetta escaped from Paris during the siege of Paris in 1871, you know, the Franco-Prussian War 150 years ago.
	I think they wouldn't, I think they would assume that At worst, Biden was too lax in allowing it to proceed at that slow pace across the country.
	I don't think they would think that the United States lacked the ability to shoot down a balloon.
	I think they would question the resolve and the judgment of the president, but I suspect they were doing that already.
	We're talking to Lord Conrad Black.
	He is the co-host of the podcast Scholars in Sense with another one of your favorites, Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett.
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	We will be discussing the state of the union, or the state of disunion, with Lord Black momentarily.
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	Yeah, okay, well, I see there's been speculation in the last few days to the effect that the State of the Union message is now becoming such a hackneyed political recitation of fictions that we should be abolished altogether.
	I mean, it's unfortunate.
	It was a great occasion for a long time.
	Yeah.
	LBJ, for example, gave brilliant State of the Union messages, I thought.
	It was really an important speech.
	It's a little bit connected to the issue of the selection of the speaker.
	Perhaps because of the nature of the chambers, or the way the politics has developed in America, that the procedural politicking in Capitol Hill is just dry and boring.
	Or has become so.
	I don't think it always was, but it just has become so.
	Yeah, I think this business, and I think maybe it was Reagan who started this, Of having people in the galleries that you single out.
	Yes.
	I mean, it's interesting in a way, but the trouble is it just got more and more.
	Under Clinton, these speeches got up to well over an hour in length.
	I think if we went back to the President giving the address without anyone else having attention called to them and confining it to about half an hour, It would really be a very useful thing.
	But I noted that Brit Hume, whom I do not always agree with, but as he said on Fox News last night, he thought Netflix would have a good night tonight.
	Do you agree that President Trump's rally speeches should also be shorter?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I thought his candidacy announcement speech was an excellent speech, but it was too long.
	Right, it was about 70 minutes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But I thought it was a really good speech, and it had imaginative proposals in it.
	He didn't take any cheap shots at anybody.
	He was good-humored and I think if he sticks to that he's got a winning ticket.
	But the thing is he goes extemporaneous so I mean really they should write a 30-minute speech on teleprompter then he can add his 20 minutes and then you're about at 50.
	The trouble is they write him an hour-long speech and then he adds to it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I sent Jeff just about 10 minutes before we went on Something I sent the New York Sun yesterday.
	I mean, I think Trump is still the leading candidate to win.
	Totally.
	Totally agree.
	Totally agree.
	It's his to take.
	He just has to fight it.
	We need to have a primary.
	His opponents are just... I mean, Peggy Noonan had an interesting column in some ways on Saturday, and she didn't mention him at all.
	What?
	Did you not notice that?
	No, she didn't mention him at all in one of her pieces.
	No, it was how both parties should do now to get ready for the next election.
	And she made the point that Democrats should let abortion go as an issue.
	The fact is, Uh, you know, it's now gone to the states, and the Democrats keep after it.
	They're going to permanently alienate all those who have reservations.
	But of course, it's like that.
	And the Republicans just shouldn't have too many candidates.
	So that might, you know.
	Making sense out of today's news, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	We're back with Conrad Black, Lord Black.
	We will get to your calls momentarily.
	Matthew, David, Anthony, don't go anywhere.
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	Before we go to the State of the Union, Lord Black, let me just reprise again a little clip from the man who's currently the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, China is not an enemy.
	And I think that's important for people to clearly understand.
	China is a rising power.
	China has been a rising power since Deng Xiaoping in 1979.
	of the balloon for a little bit longer.
	Cut 11.
	China's not an enemy.
	And I think that's important for people to clearly understand.
	China is a rising power.
	China has been a rising power since Deng Xiaoping in 79.
	And they are going to develop themselves and are developing themselves into a great power.
	That is not to say, however, that they're an enemy.
	They're not an enemy, according to the man who is the highest ranking officer in America today.
	He said that when he was a chief of staff of the army.
	After the balloon Farago began, there were, you know, whataboutism reports of, well, this happened under Trump.
	What?
	We had the former director of strategy in the Trump National Security Council in the studio yesterday, a former B-2 bomber pilot who served as our defense attaché in Beijing, and he said explicitly on our show, if there were overflights when we were in the administration, nobody from the Pentagon told us, which means either Mark Milley or Secretary Mattis didn't want to inform the White House.
	From a Point of national security and presidential oversight, isn't there a serious problem if these reports are confirmed that this has happened before, but for some reason those inside the machinery of national security saw fit not to inform the Commander-in-Chief?
	That would be extremely serious.
	I'm afraid to say It wouldn't entirely surprise me, coming from General Milley, whose conduct has been completely scandalous since his outbursts after the president and the then attorney general had the fire extinguished in the president's church before the mob in Lafayette whose conduct has been completely scandalous since his outbursts after the president and the then
	And, you know, his call to his analog in China saying, I'll let you know if this president is about to attack you.
	I mean, he should have been court-martialed.
	The man is of absolute outrage.
	And this is the same military genius who told us a year ago that the Ukraine war would only last two weeks and the Russians would be occupying Kiev within three days.
	NOW, SOME OF THEM ARE So he is capable, obviously, of saying some extremely stupid things, and he's capable of doing some extremely inappropriate things for which he would normally be fired.
	So it's conceivable to me that he did withhold such information, but it is a scandal if it happened.
	Obviously, the president has to be informed of everything of any relevance.
	Yeah, the fact that he's still in position is an utter outrage.
	He should be in the brig.
	Tonight, we're four and a half hours away from the State of the Union.
	We had, of course, that outrageous theatrical moment where the then Speaker of the House ripped up the State of the Union behind President Trump's back.
	What do you expect tonight?
	There probably won't be any theatrics from Kevin McCarthy, but a good friend of the show, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the new governor of Arkansas, will be providing the official GOP response.
	What would you like to hear?
	What would you expect to hear from Sarah's response tonight?
	Well, I think obviously it depends to some degree on what the president says, but generally speaking, I just stick to the main
	If we're discussing the State of the Union, we have to lament the clear ambition, the apparently unimpoverishable ambition of the administration to admit unlimited numbers of people illegally into the country.
	We have to acknowledge with sadness the desire of the administration to suppress the oil and gas industry, no matter what the cost to American consumers and taxpayers.
	And we have to lament the poorly thought out strategic policy they have that inflicts upon the country and the Western alliance, the disgraceful shambles of the departure from Afghanistan down to apparently relatively trivial the disgraceful shambles of the departure from Afghanistan down to apparently relatively trivial incidents we still want to get to the bottom of, such as this absurd affair with a balloon drifting across the country, collecting information of some
	And it just said, the state of the union is not very good, and the reason for it is that the administration's not very good.
	But, you know, I wouldn't get too partisan about it.
	It just said more in sorrow than in anger.
	I'm sure she'll be very good.
	I've always been... I don't know her, but I knew her father a little bit, but I don't know her, but I've always thought she was a very capable person.
	I'm glad she was elected.
	Yeah, I think she'll do a fine job tonight.
	You were saying in the break that the State of the Union has become rather a desultory enterprise, too much recognizing of the guests in the balcony.
	What should one look like if we keep to the way it was in prior eras?
	I think you basically do what, as I understand it, was the point of it originally.
	And it was an address given in writing for a long time.
	I think it was Woodrow Wilson who started giving it in person.
	But you basically say, this is a state of the union.
	Here are the major problems.
	Here's what we're proposing to do about it.
	We hope to have the cooperation of the other party and the support of the public.
	And you make it a kind of almost like a parliamentary speech, you know, where you say, these are the problems and this is what we're doing about it.
	And, you know, fundamentally, this is a great nation.
	And as FDR said on his inauguration day, it will endure as it has endured.
	And this is, you know, this is what our plan is.
	And I think that would be very informative, and I think, you know, put in that way, if that's what they did, I think everybody would be appreciative of it, whether they were supporters of the incumbent president or not.
	I'm prepared to fear the worst, however, about ignoring serious problems, making partisan cheap shots, And a generally rather tasteless performance.
	One shouldn't prejudge, and I wish the President a successful event, but successful in the sense of being a dignified, serious, mature presentation, which has not been his specialty.
	Given what he did outside Independence Hall in Philadelphia, the odds are pretty low.
	That was shocking.
	That was just outrageous.
	Yeah.
	The odds are pretty low, given what he did there.
	Yeah.
	When he did it, he was standing, I understand, only about 20 feet from where Benjamin Franklin was when he said, you have a republic if you can keep it.
	Well, listening to him, you'd wonder that it lasted this long.
	We have been talking to Lord Conrad Black, author of Donald J. Trump, A President Like No Other, and of course, co-host of the fine podcast Scholars in Sense with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett.
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	I've been deferring it because I'm dealing with a proposal from another site at the moment.
	I'm definitely going to take you up on it.
	Good, good.
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	All right, consumer research.
	We have our guest in D and a full call board, that's quite nice.
	Oh yeah, lots of suggestions.
	Title for that?
	General Milley should be court-martialed.
	Yep.
	What?
	It is Sununu.
	Oh my gosh.
	Too funny.
	Is there a problem?
	Uh, no.
	Oh, and a reminder, you're going to be on Solomon's show at 5.25 tonight.
	5.25?
	Yeah.
	Alright, so I'll do that from here.
	from here and then you also have bowling later at 825 for state of the union consumer research here Yep.
	Yep.
	Is that relief at the end of the segment, Alex?
	Mm-hmm.
	All righty.
	We've got Patriot Mobile in the next one.
	Gotcha.
	Two members of Congress at one show.
	It's been a while since we've had that.
	Always nice.
	A friend of mine sent me this.
	A bit of an interesting Twitter kerfuffle I did not think I would see.
	So, someone on Twitter, at Polly Sampson, tweeted at Roger Waters, saying, Sadly, at Roger Waters, you are anti-Semitic to your rotten core, also a Putin apologist, and a lying, thieving, hypocritical, tax-avoiding, lip-syncing, misogynistic, sick with envy, megalomaniac.
	Enough of your nonsense.
	David Gilmour quoted this and said, every word demonstrably true.
	Who's David Gilmour?
	He's the guitarist from Pink Floyd.
	Are you kidding?
	Yeah!
	That reunion didn't happen.
	My favorite guitarist of all time.
	You're too old.
	It still kills me, Old Waters.
	He is a musical genius, but he's also literally insane.
	He is.
	Why did he call him thieving?
	What has he stolen?
	Uh, I don't know.
	Could be something to do with, like, all the ticket sale controversy?
	The stuff like Taylor Swift's all involved in?
	I'm not sure.
	Lip-syncing is what gets me the most.
	Like, I absolutely believe he lip-syncs in some of his performances.
	Ay yi yi.
	Thirty-five seconds.
	Wanna come in with me?
	I like that music.
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	The call board is absolutely chock full.
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	Let's start.
	Line 1, Indiana.
	Matthew, welcome.
	Yes, sir, Dr. Sebastian.
	I just want to thank you for your voice.
	I believe your voice will live on just like Rush's voice.
	And I certainly appreciate you.
	Do you know something?
	I need to know.
	Am I going to pop my clogs any moment?
	I'm only 52.
	I know I smoke cigars, but seriously.
	You're going to have my wife worried.
	Just like Rush.
	Maybe your wife needs a cigar.
	You're going to have to hold your breath on that one.
	Thank you for your kind comments.
	What's your question?
	Well, my comment, sir, is you had a caller that said America was not mentioned in the Bible, and I just want to make a comment.
	Of course, you can... This nation was born upon 13 stars and 13 stripes.
	13 is the number of a woman like our Statue of Liberty.
	She appears in Revelations 13, a little lamb that rose up with two horns, civil and ecclesiastical powers.
	So I just wanted to make that known.
	This America is in the Bible.
	Revelation 13 is where she appears.
	That's my comment, sir.
	And thank you very much for your voice.
	Well, thank you, Matthew.
	I'd just like to stick with what my orthodox Jewish friend told me.
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	Israel, greatest nation made by God.
	America, greatest nation made by man.
	Let's go to Texas.
	David, line 4.
	Yes, sir.
	Hello, Dr. G. Hey, what's up?
	So, I got two things.
	Number one, real quick, Mandalorian, 22 days.
	The second thing is, I was watching Bob on Newsmax earlier, and he had this lady on there with the Border Coalition or something.
	Yep.
	Well, the lady that testified today, I forget her name, Garcia, Chief Garcia.
	Yeah, I saw her testify in uniform.
	Yeah, what did she say?
	She is the one that cleaned up the border before Biden came in.
	Okay.
	So I think this corruption is deeper and deeper and deeper.
	Oh, you're going to have to explain that.
	What does that mean?
	What does that sentence mean?
	Well, I believe that they were taught what to say at the meeting, at the hearing, because they wouldn't say anything about the wall.
	They... I just believe they're in it.
	I mean, our own voter... I'm in Texas.
	Hang on, you think CBP is corrupt and working for Biden to keep the borders open?
	I'm not saying all of them, but these two people that were testified today were 100% political.
	I'm going to check that out.
	The guys I know, the people my wife worked with, she was Press Secretary for Customs and Border Protection.
	Mark Morgan and the others are honorable people who have had their hands tied, but I will check out that interview.
	Thank you.
	Let's go to Anthony, Long Island, Line 5.
	Doctor, love the show.
	So, great piece today on Charlie Kirk, I saw you earlier.
	Thank you!
	I want to take a tight 20 seconds I just need.
	So, Goldman mentioned earlier that our air defenses are not where they need to be.
	We have an open southern border, we have an open northern border with balloons coming across.
	This is why conservatives don't want anything to do with this Ukraine nonsense.
	It's Poland's problem, Germany's problem, Italy's problem.
	We have our own problem here.
	Yeah, but that's not how geopolitics works.
	The world keeps on revolving.
	We're not an island.
	We are a nation that is affected by other nations.
	Would you have said the same thing in 1941?
	Well, I think the concern is the nuclear weapons now.
	What about the nuclear weapons?
	We told the Ukrainians to give their nuclear weapons to Russia in 1995 and promised to protect them.
	Why, we led them down to Primrose Pass and look what we did.
	A Democrat president!
	Doesn't matter.
	We elected him.
	America elected him.
	We, the British, we promised them together, both of our nations.
	I did debate Charlie Kirk.
	We're going to post that video.
	It was quite, quite an event on Ukraine.
	Thank you, Anthony.
	More of your calls after our next guest.
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	Isn't that unusual, Eric?
	That is a rarity, but that's the kind of content we provide here at America First.
	It is, and maybe it has something to do with what's happening in, what is it, four hours and fourteen minutes.
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	Let's talk to one of our favorites.
	She is an absolute patriot.
	She is a founder of the Election Integrity Caucus.
	Claudia Tenney, Congresswoman Tenney, welcome back to America First.
	Yeah, are you excited?
	Are you bringing some balloons to the State of the Union tonight, Congresswoman?
	I'm bringing some lawn chairs because I think that we're going to have a grumpy old man say, get off my lawn most of the night, which is what I'm going to hear.
	No, but I'm actually bringing a wonderful, distinguished sheriff from one of my counties, Yates County.
	Ron Spike served many, many years as our sheriff.
	And so we're excited to have him, a member of law enforcement.
	I really just want to underscore how important they are.
	especially in upstate New York and across New York where we have this defund, demoralize the police movement.
	And we just want to recognize anyone who answers the call to serve, whether they're police, military, first responders, founders, people across the state that really keep us safe against this one-party rule that we have in Albany, and now ended one-party rule in Washington and the end of the abuse of power from Nancy Pelosi, which is part of the best thing about being in the majority.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I have to ask you so, and by the way, please connect us to that sheriff.
	He sounds like a great individual.
	I presume the China, the Biden balloon will not be mentioned tonight.
	What are the odds of it being mentioned, Congresswoman?
	Well, I've heard he may mention it.
	Really?
	He may mention something about it.
	He's trying to take credit for it, but the B-roll I've seen on him is pretty pathetic.
	I retweeted a wonderful tweet from one of my favorite people, Tom Matthews, who said this would be the first time President Biden has done anything about deflating anything, not including inflation.
	I think that they've got to, how can you not talk about it?
	I mean, from Afghanistan, the debacle there, the loss of 13 lives, and dozens of others of key people that were allies and friends of ours through that process, neighbors, people stranded there, to the rest of the foreign policy, shutting down our energy independence, going to to the rest of the foreign policy, shutting down our energy independence, going to the Iranians, the And now you have the Chinese, our greatest adversary, our biggest enemy in the world.
	And they're doing surveillance just casually across our country with a spy mission and a spy balloon, and we finally shoot it down.
	This is a crisis in leadership in every way when you look at Joe Biden.
	And to me, this is – we're getting back into impeachment territory again.
	We're talking to Claudia Tenney, New York's 24th congressional district, at Claudia Tenney on Twitter, claudia4congress.com.
	Will you talk to us about the last few weeks?
	We had those four days for the speaker selection, a very different kind of speakership, very different in terms of the powers that Nancy Pelosi had.
	Looks like Kevin's doing not too bad.
	The new committees have started their hearings.
	Are you satisfied to date with what you are seeing from your colleagues on Capitol Hill?
	Well, I think we have seen the Republican majority, slim, same type of majority Nancy Pelosi has, but I can't emphasize enough that when Nancy Pelosi took power, she abused this power in every instance.
	We want to make sure we use our power effectively, and we make sure we live within our constitutional power.
	We opened the Capitol.
	We voted to defund the 87,000 IRS agents.
	We have done a number of things.
	We've created a select committee on China to hold them accountable.
	We are investigating at the border what's going on.
	We dove right into that.
	We've done press conferences on impeaching Mayorkas and President Biden.
	My Ways and Means Committee, we did our first field hearing at a lumberyard yesterday in West Virginia to hear from real Americans about inflation, about the real horrors of socialism, which is one of the bills we passed, Maria Salazar's bill, which is one of the bills we passed, Maria Salazar's bill, on the horrors of And by the way, 100 Democrats voted in favor of socialism, which is a telling vote.
	So we've done a lot of really good things to really amp up and do what we can and to really be strong We've got to keep fighting, though.
	We can't give an inch, because the Democrats never do.
	And socialists and communists, as you know well, never give up.
	They fight to the finish.
	And we've got to fight harder and stronger.
	And the pressure is going to be on Leader McCarthy, and he's going to have to keep it up.
	And our members of Congress can't buckle.
	We can't afford to lose more than a few votes at this point.
	So we've got to stand strong.
	And we can't undermine our base, which is what concerns me a lot about us going forward.
	What does that mean?
	We literally only have 60 seconds left with you, Congresswoman Tenney, but what does undermining our base look like and what issue runs the danger of doing that most?
	Well, so many issues.
	I mean, first of all, dealing with the debt ceiling.
	That's going to be a huge issue.
	We can't compromise on this relentless, reckless spending from the Democrats.
	We have to exact something out of Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer.
	And look, we've got two New Yorkers in the minority.
	Hakeem Jeffries hails from New York, runs the House.
	And we've got Chuck Schumer from New York, who runs the Senate right now.
	And we've got to stand up to them.
	And we've also got to fight on this energy issue.
	We cannot back down and accept after what we went through with the lack of science to the COVID vaccine.
	We cannot accept this lack of science being harnessed or used against the American people when it comes to energy.
	The three top issues for me, economy, energy and elections.
	We have to focus on all those three E's right now.
	We're not going to see any change for the American people.
	That's why she's the chair of the Caucus for Election Integrity.
	Follow her right now.
	Tenney.house.gov and at Claudia Tenney.
	Thank you so much.
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	Um... I guess something about how the GOP majority's been doing.
	Oh, oh no no no.
	No no no no.
	That, that, um... How, how the, how, um... We, we can't lose...
	The MAGA base.
	Yes.
	That's important.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Cary Lake ins and outs?
	Uh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Stay with us for more with Cary Lake one-on-one.
	We'll be back with Cary Lake here on America First one-on-one after these messages.
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	David Orlando, line two.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka, great to be on your show.
	Thank you.
	In 2016, James Comey stated that some bad actors were able to access Hillary's servers, and ever since then, the Chinese have been extremely effective at outing our assets, leaving us deaf, dumb, and blind as to what is going on in China.
	This is why our flappers were caught so flat-footed when they learned about this balloon.
	This failure rests solely in the lap of, I mean, in the lap of Hillary and her deep state cronies.
	Besides, with Biden in office, who would ever spy for us?
	I refer to this as, it is Balloon Gate, after a 1960 comedy show called F2.
	Yeah, we discussed that with Jim Carrafano on Friday.
	You must have missed that.
	Yeah, well, Comey didn't say that.
	He said her system was utterly vulnerable to attacks by our enemies.
	He didn't say it had been hacked, but it's much bigger than Hillary.
	It is all of them.
	It's Hunter.
	It's Joe, who is a foreign actor, foreign agent, as Dan Bongino has stated.
	It's the people who, look, collude with China.
	You look at Mark Milley and the evidence is here.
	David, it's much, much bigger than Hillary.
	But thank you.
	Let's go to Peggy, waiting patiently in Pennsylvania.
	Hello?
	Yes.
	Hello?
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	I'm so glad I got through.
	Can you hear me?
	Yes, that's why I said yes.
	You've got 90 seconds.
	Get to work, Peggy!
	90 seconds!
	Okay, here's what I think about tonight.
	I think we should just not watch it.
	This is a way to say, you know, TV ratings and stuff like that.
	Everyone should sit, not watch his speech, and then maybe start watching when Sarah comes on for her rebate.
	Uh-huh.
	And then, and she needs to, if he talks about we're destroying the democracy, they need to remind it that we are a republic.
	Why do people keep going on about that?
	I mean, really, why do people keep banging on about that?
	Everybody who listens to this show knows we're a republic.
	Why do people always get so head up about that?
	Well, because they keep saying we're a democrat.
	Who cares what they say?
	They hate America.
	I know.
	So then, I have a great idea for a visual, but it's probably too late.
	I think there should be a big cutout of President Biden with his pants on fire and then across it saying, liar, liar.
	Yeah, it might be a little bit late, but I think we might see a couple of balloons.
	There's already footage of Marjorie Taylor Greene walking around Congress with a big white helium balloon.
	I wonder where you got that idea from, MTG.
	Thank you, Peggy.
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	The Salem News Channel So if they get up and criticize science, nobody's gonna know what they're talking about.
	But if they get up and really aim their bullets at Tony Fauci, well, people could recognize there's a person there, so it's easy to criticize.
	But they're really criticizing science.
	Because I represent science.
	That's dangerous.
	To me, that's more dangerous than the slings and the arrows they get thrown at me.
	And if you damage science, you are doing something very detrimental to society.
	Um, egos.
	I've met a lot of egos in this rank, fetid, mallowed response that is Washington D.C.
	But I've never met a person who says they are science.
	I'm not sure...
	Newton or Einstein would have said they are the science.
	That's Anthony Fauci, who must be doing something right, as I found yesterday and I shared with you on the show.
	His Speakers Bureau, now that he's free to take these kinds of gigs, has him advertised.
	This is actually from the Speakers Bureau, a screenshot.
	Anthony Fauci.
	Motivational speaker.
	Healthcare speaker.
	Cost speakers fee range $50,000 to $100,000.
	I guess I'm in the wrong business.
	Let's get serious though.
	What has the pandemic and the health bureaucrats, what have they wrought on this nation and western civilization?
	Let's invite a man who has been outspoken.
	He's paid a price For his cleaving to the truth, an individual who I've heard speak many times now on Twitter, on these Twitter spaces, forums, we are delighted to have with us from the Ethics and Public Policy Center, none other than Dr. Aaron Cariati.
	Dr. Cariati, welcome to America First.
	Thanks Sebastian, great to be with you.
	So much to discuss, I want to get your reaction to that evergreen clip from Saint Fauci.
	But first things first, let's get the bona fides out there.
	You have a very interesting background, a very liminal set of qualifications in the health sector, also psychiatry.
	Will you talk to us about your professional credentials before we get into the nitty-gritty of Fauci, Covid and the, what did you call it in your book?
	Let's put the book out for a moment.
	This very, very ominous phrase.
	The Biomedical Security State.
	The Biomedical Security State.
	The book is The New Abnormal.
	Dr. Keriati, just a few words of introduction.
	Yeah, so as you mentioned, I'm a physician, I specialize in psychiatry, and I spent most of my career at the University of California, Irvine, up until about a year ago.
	And while I was there, I spent half my time teaching, researching, doing clinical work in psychiatry, and the other half of my time was devoted to work in bioethics, medical ethics, so I directed the ethics program there.
	At the hospital, chaired the ethics committee, chaired the ethics committee at the California Department of State hospitals and did work in ethics and public policy up until I challenged the university's vaccine mandate in federal court.
	And as a reward for challenging that policy, On legal and ethical grounds, the university fired me.
	So now I'm happy to be affiliated with Ethics and Public Policy Center, the Brownstone Institute, some very fine independent think tanks to continue my work looking at public health and public policy in addition to my clinical work as a physician.
	Well, I've been impressed listening to you on those various platforms where I've heard you speak and debate these issues.
	So, University of California, Irvine, and it's hard to get rid of academics.
	It's almost as hard to get rid of an academic as a government employee.
	So, I'm curious, what was the stated reason?
	Why were you terminated from the university?
	So the stated reason was alleged non-compliance with the very policy, the vaccine mandate that I was challenging.
	I challenged it on behalf of people like me that had infection-induced immunity or so-called natural immunity after recovering from COVID, which I got very early on in the pandemic, treating COVID patients in the hospital.
	And I say alleged non-compliance because the university twice rejected my medical exemption that was signed by my physician.
	And the university also refused to work with me in the way that they had worked with other faculty members to, you know, put me on sabbatical or work from home, do remote work only.
	I was willing to be flexible so that they wouldn't have to compromise, in my case, on their policy.
	But I also wasn't going to compromise on my stance toward the policy.
	So the university used that pretense to get rid of this inconvenient person who had the gall to publicly challenge them.
	I first challenged policy in the pages of the Wall Street Journal.
	And then after they finalized the policy, I decided to challenge it in court because I thought it was unethical.
	And indeed, I still believe it's unconstitutional.
	And what happened to your legal challenge in the courts?
	So the legal challenge in the court, the court did not side with me in that case.
	They sided with the university on a rational basis review of their policies.
	So the court basically said, we don't believe there's a constitutional right at stake.
	And on that judgment, it was impossible for me to win because we couldn't really get into the science of natural immunity.
	On a rational basis review, all the university had to show was that it had a plausible reason for putting the mandate in place.
	It didn't have to show that the mandate achieved its public health purpose, or that the benefits outweighed the harms, or that it was narrowly tailored.
	So unfortunately, the courts have been very reluctant on these issues to do anything other than kind of procedural law.
	Did this entity have the authority to initiate this mandate?
	They don't want to get into the fact-finding on the actual science.
	And so I wasn't able to prevail in court in that case, but I have a couple of other cases actually in federal court that we're making more progress on that have to do with free speech and medical freedom.
	Well, I've listened to a couple of your interviews of late.
	I have a whole list of things I want to ask you on my phone.
	But let's start with the reaction.
	Have you ever met anybody of the ilk of Fauci who actually has the temerity not to believe but to actually state publicly that I am the science, Dr. Cariati?
	No, so real credible actual scientists never talk like that.
	Scientists don't even say things like the science says, capital T, capital S. They say things like, well, this study concluded, or the results of this meta-analysis suggested.
	I mean, they're nuanced.
	They're aware that science is a complex set of methods to investigate the natural world.
	And the findings of science are always open to discussion, debate.
	Science progresses not through pronouncements from on high.
	Science progresses through... And this idea that it's based on consensus?
	Is that what you do at UC Irvine?
	Do you sit in a big hall and then you vote as to whether gravity exists?
	I'm curious.
	Not at all.
	No, science is almost the opposite of consensus.
	Science is based on conjecture and refutation and analysis and reanalysis.
	It's open-ended.
	And you put a group of scientists in a room together, they'll debate endlessly.
	And they don't decide who's right by taking a vote.
	They decide who's right by continuing to advance the research and continuing to refine the research until findings emerge that are difficult to contradict.
	So what we have with a man like Anthony Fauci is not science, but what I call in the book scientism.
	The sort of totalitarian conception of science, the attempt to monopolize knowledge by claiming that I am speaking for science or on behalf of science, which basically excludes people without the credentials or without the microphone from the realm of rational conversation.
	And this is exactly, Sebastian, what totalitarian regimes do.
	The central feature of all totalitarian regimes is not concentration camps or secret police or men in jackboots or even mass surveillance, as bad as all those things are.
	The central feature, according to Eric Vogelin, the 20th century political theorist who studied totalitarianism, the central feature is the forbidding of certain questions.
	Yeah.
	The inability to ask questions, to raise questions, to say, you know, do masks really work?
	Are these vaccines as safe and effective as, you know, the people on TV are claiming?
	And what we see with Anthony Fauci and so many of the talking heads on TV is not science, but this totalitarian scientism that is basically a power play.
	I would add one more key characteristic from, in fact, the formerly classified long telegram from George Kennan when he was asked to explain what the Soviet Union is.
	And he said, you have to understand that the concept of truth in a dictatorship is that which has utility to the elite, that which has utility to the party.
	So, you know, truth can change within a 24-hour period simply because now we determined that it's no longer that which we need to maintain power.
	So these are key characteristics.
	We're talking with the author of The New Abnormal, The Rise of the Biomedical Security State.
	Dr. Cariati will explain what that means for us momentarily.
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	Dr. Cariati, let's... I have so many questions, so where should I begin?
	Let's talk about this thing about vaccines and And natural immunity.
	I caught COVID very early on in the Christmas, the first Christmas under COVID conditions.
	I'd been taking prophylactic hydroxy because my doctor is a good physician.
	I had about three days of a little bit of a sniffles, a little mild flu, and then I was, you know, back to work.
	I find it hard to understand as a kid who's had the mandatory vaccinations you have when you're whatever, four or five for polio and mumps and what have you.
	My understanding, and tell me if I'm wrong, a vaccine should have permanent or quote-unquote semi-permanent effect.
	Why is it that these things that are touted as vaccines today for COVID need to have quadruple boosters?
	Is science being rewritten as we speak?
	It is, quite literally.
	The definition of vaccine and vaccinated was changed by the CDC precisely to accommodate these products.
	So the idea that you would need a booster, the CDC now recommends you should get a vaccine quote-unquote booster if it's been more than two months since your last dose.
	So I like to ask people, what other vaccine have you ever taken where you needed to get re-upped after only two months?
	And the reason is that the durability of protection from these vaccines was very short-lived.
	So with the initial first two doses of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine, after six months, efficacy against infection had dropped below 50%, which was the FDA threshold for approving a vaccine for COVID.
	And so people realized very quickly that whatever short-term efficacy they may have given, it didn't last very long.
	And so then we had a booster, you know, after about six or eight months.
	But the problem with the boosters is that you get a diminishing return on investment with each additional dose.
	So the third shot granted efficacy for about two months.
	And then the fourth shot granted efficacy, I'm sorry, the third shot for about four months, and then the fourth shot for about eight weeks.
	Wow.
	And so we are not going to be able to vaccinate our way out of COVID, at least with these products.
	If we had a sterilizing vaccine from the beginning, a traditional vaccine that could stop infection and transmission of the virus, that may have been a game changer.
	But we knew from the very beginning that we didn't have that.
	But that's the opposite of what we were told.
	We were told that, you know, don't kill grandma.
	I think we've got a clip here from that medical genius.
	What's her name, Eric?
	Rachel Maddow.
	Rachel Maddow.
	Thank you, doctor.
	Yes.
	I remember this clip.
	She was just spouting what was coming out of CDC.
	Play the clip, Eric.
	It means that instead of the virus being able to hop from person to person to person to person, spreading and spreading, sickening some of them but not all of them, and the ones that it doesn't sicken don't know they have it and then they give it to even more people because they didn't recognize.
	Instead of the virus being able to hop from person to person to person, Potentially mutating and becoming more virulent and drug-resistant along the way.
	Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person.
	A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus.
	The virus does not infect them.
	The virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else.
	So that's wrong, that's a lie, and even within that, this idea that it stops it from mutating and getting worse, isn't there some scientific evidence to say the multiple booster regime is actually creating worse infectious results from the COVID variants that are out there?
	Yeah, that's exactly right.
	Gert van den Bosch and other very credible virologists have been warning about this from the beginning, but these vaccines, if you have a leaky vaccine, which we knew from the beginning, it was never tested to stop infection and transmission.
	Explain that phrase, explain that phrase, a leaky vaccine.
	A leaky vaccine, meaning one that doesn't prevent me from spreading the virus to someone else.
	And one that doesn't, in fact, prevent me from getting the virus.
	So these vaccines do not stop infection and transmission.
	That's what I mean by leaky.
	We knew that from the beginning.
	We knew that from the beginning.
	So not only was Rachel Maddow lying, but Rochelle Walensky, the director of the CDC, was saying much the same thing.
	And So that was fundamentally dishonest.
	They were never tested to stop infection and transmission in the phase three clinical trials that were submitted to the FDA, the decisive study of these vaccines.
	And within a month or two of the mass vaccination campaign in early 2021, it was very clear they didn't stop infection and transmission.
	Go ahead.
	And just to get to your other question, yes, That creates a problem because that allows the virus to continue to evolve precisely to evade vaccine immunity and the spike protein is evolving precisely in the direction of trying to infect people who have been vaccinated because that's what will allow the virus to continue propagating through the population.
	One of the most horrific things I experienced in the last three years is I went into a store where, and this was, you know, like a year ago maybe, so things were slightly tailing off.
	I never wore a mask, and everybody's masked in this store, and this young girl, maybe 28, 29 years old, says, put your mask on please, and I said, I'm good.
	I've had COVID.
	And she says to me in front of witnesses, please put your mask on because I can't get my two-year-old vaccinated yet.
	Now, I left the store, but I felt like I should write a letter to this young mother.
	What in God's name are you doing trying to get a two-year-old vaccinated?
	Where's the scientific justification?
	And you said something in an interview that this is the most immoral aspect of all.
	Using children to protect the elderly or adults?
	We have never done that.
	Have we, Doctor?
	No, we haven't up until now.
	And this is an egregious violation of medical ethics.
	The two most important facts about COVID epidemiologically, which were known by April of 2020.
	Number one, the infection fatality rate is 0.2%.
	Actually, now it's 0.1%.
	But at that time, it was 0.2% with the early variants.
	And of those 0.2% who died, the vast majority are over the age of 70.
	Healthy children, and parents should have been told this from the beginning, healthy children do not die of COVID.
	Healthy children are much more likely to die of influenza than COVID.
	The very tiny handful of cases of children who have died of COVID were very, very sick little children who the tipping point could have been any common cold virus, any respiratory virus.
	They just happen to have COVID at the time when they die.
	So there is no reason to subject children to vaccination for COVID.
	Because it introduces unnecessary risk to that child without any benefit to that child.
	Which is what medicine should never do.
	They should never be risk taken without a commensurate or excessive potential benefit.
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	Now, somebody – I've seen some of your videos on depression, how to deal with depression.
	As somebody who understands the psychological and the psychiatric aspects of health, I still have to have this question answered, please, Dr. Keriati.
	Why was there such a hysterical, I mean, in using the classic Freudian, you know, hysterical response to COVID?
	Because if it's really a 0.1% fatality rate, and I'd like some clarification here, why did, why were people dying at the beginning?
	I have a theory that the misuse of respirators and intubation created significant problems in the The inflammation, the secondary inflammation of the respiratory system for elderly people and that's why we saw so many deaths.
	But why was there this global hysteria for a disease that kids were immune to and killed less than 0.2% of the population?
	Have you come to some answers for that?
	So there were political and financial interests at work that wanted to promote the idea that Covid was a threat to everyone.
	So during the pandemic we saw the largest upward transfer of wealth in world history a world historical scheme of larceny from the working class and the middle class.
	Not just to the upper class, but to the very tip of the pyramid where the tech elites and the world-spanning corporations reside.
	Amazon lobbied for lockdowns on the West Coast, not because they're experts on public health, but because their stocks soared when people were forced to stay at home, do all their shopping online.
	Google, Facebook, all the rest made tremendous gains when people were forced to communicate only from behind screens.
	So the push for lockdowns Was in part economically motivated.
	And these are these entities are also powers that were capable of controlling the flow of information.
	We now know that they were doing it sometimes with pressure from the government but they were also doing it in ways that served their own Interests.
	So that's part of the answer.
	We know that the president and governors gain additional extra constitutional powers during a declared state of emergency, and we're still operating under a federal state of emergency, where President Biden continues to maintain 128 additional extra constitutional powers that he will have to relinquish and that he will no longer be able to delegate to unelected bureaucrats like the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
	When that state of emergency ends.
	So what we saw rolled out in March of 2020 was not just a novel previously untested means of controlling a respiratory virus by trying to lock down the entire population.
	What we saw rolled out was really a new paradigm of governance.
	that operates in this state of emergency or state of exception.
	You're correct that the early deaths were in large part due to doctors in the West adopting the so-called Wuhan protocol.
	We were told by the Chinese, who had the earliest experience treating the virus, that you should ventilate early, which is never done.
	It's contrary to all ICU protocols for respiratory viruses, because when you put someone on a ventilator, You have to give them sedatives like midazolam or opiates to suppress their gag reflex and to keep them comfortable.
	Those cause respiratory depression.
	And then it becomes almost impossible to get them to wean them off the ventilator.
	And so ventilation is an extremely aggressive, should be, you know, the last resort.
	There's lots of ways to oxygenate patients prior to having to ventilate them that we didn't use.
	And another part of that reason, which is really egregious, is that we decided to protect hospitals and the health care system rather than protecting persons.
	What would that have looked like?
	If we were protecting individuals and not institutions, what would the policy have looked like?
	So the policy, well first of all, we would never have dreamed of discharging patients from a hospital to send them to a nursing home when they were infected with COVID.
	So as to protect the hospital or free up another hospital bed.
	That was a murderous policy and there's no excuse for that.
	But it also would have involved not ventilating patients because part of the rationale for ventilating patients was we didn't want this aerosolized respiratory virus to infect healthcare workers.
	And if we keep them on a controlled ventilation, then that can keep the virus more isolated.
	Okay, so again, instrumentalizing patients, using them as a means to another end, which is contrary to all good medical practice and all good medical ethics.
	So I was on the front lines.
	I was seeing, both as an ethics consultant and as a psychiatric consultant, I was seeing patients in the ICU that were infected with COVID.
	And it's now very clear that those early treatment protocols were disastrous and resulted in a lot of Unnecessary deaths.
	I don't want to get into the science on early treatment because I'm not an expert in that, but there are a lot of people that I think are quite credible, Harvey Risch, Pierre Kory and others, who have also argued that a lot more lives could have been saved with repurposed drugs.
	And I think the data on those is mixed, but based on what I've seen, if they are used early enough and if they are used in adequate doses, They have clinical utility and benefit.
	And the one thing that we've never seen in medicine up until now is things like pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions for hydroxy or ivermectin written by physicians.
	That was completely insane.
	Or hospitals refusing to give extremely safe drugs to very sick patients.
	That was entirely novel.
	Families having to go to court just to be able to do a trial of a medication like this.
	I mean, ivermectin is safer than most over-the-counter medications.
	It's extremely safe.
	It's been used in billions of people around the world for decades.
	And the idea that it would be unsafe to give to COVID patients was just complete propaganda.
	He's a senior scholar with the Brownstone Institute.
	Follow him right now on Twitter, A.Keriati.
	If you see him on Twitter spaces, dial in and listen.
	That's A.Keriati, K-H-E-R-I-A-T-Y.
	So, with your background, Dr. Keriati, in psychiatry as well as the ethics of medical procedures and health provision, I, as a layman, my PhD is in political science.
	My concern for the future is, yes, thousands have died.
	Yes, our freedoms were curtailed, are still being curtailed.
	But my biggest concern is the psychiatric damage done to a whole generation.
	The idea that I will see children today, today at the local playground, toddlers masked by their parents.
	For me, I predict as a layman that 15, 20 years from now we will have a whole generation that will have deep, deep psychiatric, psychological issues, because at the formative stages of when they had to see their parents' faces, the chums in schools' faces, their teachers' faces, they couldn't see them.
	And I saw them at church, young kids going into church this Sunday, and I'm thinking, how afraid is that child of their fellow man in a house of worship going to Mass on Sunday?
	Am I way out here, or is this going to be a big problem?
	Not at all.
	I'm sad and heartbroken to report that you're not wrong.
	That the true harms of school closures, the true harms of masking children and all the rest, and the fear that children were surrounded with, are actually going to take decades to play out.
	You don't interrupt a child's verbal, cognitive, emotional development at critical early stages of development through school closures, through masking and so forth, and not have that basically re-down for Sad to say the rest of that person's life.
	The harms of these things are only beginning to emerge.
	And I fear that over the next decade or two, we're only going to see continued evidence of an entire generation of children.
	that has been harmed and compromised by our failed COVID response, by a response that did not slow or stop the spread of the virus, but only did enormous collateral damage.
	And just to circle back on your early question of the fear, we now know that the fear was deliberately promoted by governments that extremely sophisticated wartime level propaganda techniques that have been refined by the intelligence community for decades since World War II were deployed, not against foreign threats, but against government's own populations, We know about this in the UK, the so-called nudge unit.
	We know Canada was doing the same thing.
	We now know that similar efforts were undertaken in the United States to deliberately increase the level of fear, to suppress information that would have been reassuring to the population, scientifically credible information that could have set a lot of people's minds at ease, for example, in terms of their child's own risk of COVID.
	I'm not sure what to say about that.
	That's evil.
	That's the only word I can think of for it.
	It's hard to imagine how people I mean, there's just a lot to answer for here.
	And I worry that the American people are still not ready to take stock of this.
	Many of them are still sleepwalking.
	Many of them are still in this kind of hypnotic trance of You know, just continuing to do not only what I'm told, but what I was told to do two years ago.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Everyone else is taking off the masks, but I can't.
	I recall one young woman that I treated who, when her school finally dropped the mask mandate, it was a private school, very elite school, dropped the mask mandate very late.
	She said, I'm going to continue wearing the mask to school, not because I'm worried about COVID, but because I don't want to show my face.
	That's exactly what I'm talking about.
	That will affect that person for the rest of their life, quite likely.
	The book is The New Abnormal.
	The subheading is what we need defined right now, the rise of the biomedical security state.
	That is a very, very scary sounding term.
	Give us some examples, Dr. Keriati, of what the biomedical security state is.
	Right.
	So this is the welding together of three things that used to be distinct.
	Number one, an increasingly militarized public health apparatus.
	And I'll talk more in a minute what I mean by that.
	Number two, the use of digital technologies of surveillance and control to manage entire populations.
	The vaccine passport is a good example of the use of this during the pandemic.
	The QR code that you had to show just to get on a plane, get on a train, go to a restaurant or a social gathering, get back into your own country of origin.
	You know, back in 2018, if you would have told Americans we're going to be doing this soon, they would have thought that you were insane.
	But after a year of the propaganda and the year of the lockdowns, people were willing to do just about anything to get back to a semblance of normal life.
	But we know that digital technologies were used in much more insidious ways.
	So, for example, back in 2021, Israel passed emergency legislation allowing the Shin Bet, basically their version of the FBI, to extract without the public's consent, track and trace data from their phone to see if they were following lockdown orders or to look at exposures to Omicron.
	Now they at least did that publicly with legislation from people that could be voted out of office.
	Canada admitted a few months later that they had been doing the same thing throughout the pandemic, even though Justin Trudeau had promised the public that they wouldn't do so.
	And their public health agency admitted they were going to continue doing the same thing on into 2026, using this data for applications beyond COVID.
	In May of last year, Vice broke the story that the CDC was doing the same thing, again, without the notification or consent of the public.
	The data was supposedly anonymized, but some researchers from Princeton showed that with only four data points, you could actually identify the individual that was associated with this particular cell phone.
	But they were using it to monitor how many people are gathering at a church, how many people are gathering at a school during lockdown.
	Order.
	So this kind of mass surveillance was done not just in countries that we would tend to think of as authoritarian, but in countries like the United States and Canada that we thought were more or less free and democratic.
	So increasingly militarized public health apparatus, digital technologies of surveillance and control, all of this backed up by the police powers of the state.
	So we could think again of Justin Trudeau evoking The Emergencies Act for the first time in Canada, not just to remove the truckers convoy, a peaceful protest from the city of Ottawa, forcibly using militarized police, but also to freeze the bank accounts of the protesters and anyone who gave money to the protest.
	So imagine giving 50 bucks to the Freedom Convoy one day and then going to the ATM the next day and you can't take money out of your checking account.
	That happened in Canada.
	That happened with the backing of these emergency powers that were accrued by executives under these declared states of emergency.
	And what's really concerning about this infrastructure that I just described, what I call the biomedical security state, is that even though a lot of these specific policy examples of how it worked in the last three years have been rolled back, okay, There are fewer vaccine mandates.
	There are not many lockdown orders anymore.
	That whole infrastructure is in place just waiting for the next declared emergency.
	And this new paradigm of governance of the biomedical security state requires jumping from one declared emergency to the next to maintain those emergency powers and to advance certain interests in terms of surveillance and control of the population.
	So we've seen efforts already.
	I talk about this in the book, the effort over the last actually five or six years to reframe climate change from being primarily an ecological or an environmental issue.
	And again, just bracket for a moment your views on climate change.
	It has been reframed as a public health issue.
	If you look at the headlines on climate change.
	We've discussed this just yesterday with Mark Morano.
	So the idea that the climate change isn't a policy area by itself.
	It's not the environment.
	It's not connected to economics.
	It's now public health and that you would be able to use the same extra constitutional powers with the excuse that we're saving the planet.
	Well, again, this just justifies the further rise of what you have termed as the biomedical security state.
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	Dr. Cariati is Something that nobody else has really hit upon, or at least not with such clarity as you have, and that's the connection between the Fauci's of the world, the unconstitutional lockdowns, the
	Vaccine mandates and eugenicists of the early 20th century and you know the connection between mandates for vaccines and the mandatory sterilization of people deemed to be unsuitable for procreation.
	Could you connect the dots there for us?
	Because this is really quite shocking.
	Yeah, so in the prologue to the book, which is entitled Nuremberg 1947, I talk about the eugenics movement in the United States.
	When you say the word eugenics, most people think of the Third Reich and Nazi Germany, but most people don't realize that eugenics started not in Germany, but in the UK as an ideology, in the United States as an actual practice in the 1910s, 1920s, even before atrocities of the Nazis in the 30s and 40s.
	And in the United States, there were 27 states permitting involuntary sterilization of people considered to be feeble-minded or mentally ill or mentally incapacitated.
	And an infamous Supreme Court decision, which relied on a vaccine mandate precedent, a 1905 case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts, was cited in a 1927 case called called Bucks v. Bell, Or Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, writing for the majority in a decision that's never been overturned, upheld Virginia's forced sterilization law with the following words in a Supreme Court decision.
	He said the principle that allows for forced vaccination is, quote, wide enough To cover the cutting of the fallopian tubes.
	And then the infamous kicker, the closing line, three generations of imbeciles are enough.
	So let's just stop it for those who missed it.
	The justification for forced vaccinations was deemed to be the same justification, the same principle for sterilizing women.
	That's right.
	And men.
	Most of the people sterilized under those laws, they were disproportionately women, but men were also sterilized under these laws.
	A third of those happened in the state of California.
	So there are 60,000 people, Americans, sterilized under this regime.
	20,000 of those happened in California.
	With the endorsement of physicians and psychiatrists, most of them in the state mental hospitals, where up until last year, I served for a few years as ethics committee chair.
	So our profession is is deeply implicated in the American eugenics movement, which got a bad name at Nuremberg after World War Two and sort of went underground.
	But it's resurfacing.
	But didn't really go underground because Margaret Sanger was a leading eugenicist and she became the godmother of Planned Parenthood.
	That's right.
	Margaret Sanger was a leading eugenicist.
	She gave talks to the women's section of the Ku Klux Klan.
	You could find that document online, hear what she had to say about her racially motivated eugenics program.
	And Planned Parenthood tried to whitewash that for a long time, and it's only in the last year or two that they've more openly disavowed Sanger taking her name off their building and so forth.
	But the fact is that that mentality that she was promoting is still deep in the DNA of that organization.
	Well, and the fact that Hillary Clinton is a proud holder of the Margaret Sanger Award, and also let's just raise one statement of fact that has nothing to do with interpretation, the overarching majority of Planned Parenthood clinics being in impoverished black cities and inner urban centers.
	Why would you have abortion clinics in racially very, very black areas?
	That speaks to me of Sanger's lasting ghoulish influence.
	Okay, let me ask you one last question, then we will have to have you back.
	In the meantime, Aaron Cariati is the website.
	You must get the book right now, The New Abnormal, The Rise of the Biomedical Security State.
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	What is your greatest concern The next time around, whatever it is, whether it's SARS COVID 48 or whether it's leveraging of the climate hoax, is it going to be an incremental increase or a shocking increase in the security state leveraging of power against us?
	Or could it be the flip side?
	Could it be because people are so cynical now, they just ignore it?
	And it could be a serious health issue.
	And they say, we remember Fauci, we're not interested.
	Or could it be something completely different?
	Is your greatest concern, for example, the psychological impact that the COVID is going to have on those who will be in their 20s 15 years from now?
	So answer E, all of the above.
	But let me just talk about two key concerns that I describe in the third chapter of the book, because I think the next step in the advance of this infrastructure that I described earlier are we are going to see these rolled out in the next couple of years, perhaps connected to a state of emergency because I think the next step in the advance of this infrastructure that I described earlier are we are going to see these rolled out in the next couple of
	One is digital IDs tied to biometric data, things, you know, your iris scan, your face ID, your fingerprint.
	Think of the clear kiosk at the airport that allows you to skip to the front of the security line.
	You give away not only that information as well as demographic information.
	If you read the fine print on that, you also give that corporation access to your credit report.
	And eventually these biometric IDs are going to be tied into the use of data extraction from wearable devices or implantable devices, looking at your moment to moment heart rate, blood pressure and other metrics that can tell people about your emotional state, right?
	So you're sitting there watching the presidential debates on TV, and this public-private entity that is extracting data from your wearable device can tell exactly what kind of emotional reaction you have to each of the candidates as they are talking and while they are saying certain things.
	These are going to also be tied into means of financial control through the use of central bank digital currencies.
	So the feds have already floated the trial balloon of the digital dollar.
	There's an attempt to kill decentralized digital currencies to make way And we probably don't have time to get into all the subtleties of those two things here in the interview.
	But again, chapter three of the book, I talk about how those two things will work in conjunction.
	With the other measures that were deployed during the pandemic to basically create a system of near complete surveillance and control over large populations.
	And I think that will advance both in subtle ways sold on the basis of ease and convenience or access to public spaces and on the basis of declared emergencies where you, you know, you have to sign on to this.
	You have to, you have to, you have to deploy, you know, this mechanism so that we can We can green light your travel or green light your use of approved sources of energy or whatever it's going to be.
	So I think it's really important for Americans not just to do a retrospective on the pandemic, but the primary reason I wrote the book is to be forward-looking, to be prospective, to, yes, understand what happened to us over the last three years, but more importantly, to look ahead to what are those next steps?
	How are they going to tie into the infrastructure That's already in place so that we can stand up and say a collective no, we're not going to sign on to this.
	The dangers and risks of this far outweigh any conveniences or benefits that you might be pitching to us to make it sound more attractive.
	We have seen the future and the future is now.
	We need more like Dr. Cariati.
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