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Feb. 6, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Why did Gen. Milley delay China balloon shootdown?

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	G is ready for anything on America First. - First.
	I love it when I have guests who come in my new studio, are impressed, and say, you know what's missing?
	You need more toys.
	He just said, I need a B-2 bomber.
	I wonder why he'd say that.
	Is it because he flew one of them?
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
	And I've just stepped into a time machine.
	What does that mean?
	I'll explain it to you.
	We are with my former White House colleague, former senior director for strategy in the Trump National Security Council, former stealth bomber pilot.
	Brigadier General, U.S.
	Air Force retired, Rob Spalding.
	Rob, welcome to my new studio.
	Thank you.
	I like it.
	What am I missing?
	Well, you need a B-2.
	Okay, can I get a really big one?
	Not made in China.
	I want one made in America.
	You need a B-52, too.
	New and old.
	I like that.
	I like that.
	And I think you need a Sempernode.
	You need an EMP-hardened Sempernode.
	Sempernode.
	We'll talk about what Semper is momentarily.
	But I say I feel like I'm in a time machine because, what, six years ago, five years ago, we were having discussions about China.
	Yeah.
	Remember those knock-down, drag-out...
	Conversation?
	Oh yeah, oh yeah.
	Trying to drag the US administration, the bureaucracy into the 23rd century to understand the threat we faced.
	For those who aren't familiar with my buddy Rob, he served as the defense attaché in Beijing, the man on the ground.
	He knows how the PLA thinks, so there is nobody better to ask about this balloon incident.
	I managed to rope him in to one of those Twitter spaces discussions over the weekend.
	So first things first, from the neophyte perspective, why a balloon and does it really matter what they were doing in terms of the platform or is it a test of our response?
	Talk to us about this balloon, Rob.
	I think there's a lot of reasons for the balloon.
	Obviously, intel collection is one, but it's probably not the primary reason.
	The primary reason is really to, it's an optic.
	You know, I think this is a part of the Chinese Communist Party that we don't understand very well, and that is that they're more adept at political and psychological warfare than anything, and so having a balloon Float over the entire United States really talks about the impotency of America's defense.
	In American parlance it's like a big floating middle finger.
	Yeah, it's a big floating middle finger.
	And we may say, well, you know, it's not that big an intelligence collection deal or what have you.
	By the way, they are testing our response.
	You know, how do we respond to these types of vehicles?
	Can we do anything about it?
	But primarily what they do, it's not for the American people.
	Although I think it's had the opposite effect for the American people.
	They're like, what the hell is going on?
	It's actually for their partners and for any other countries that might be thinking, hey, I'm going to be on the American side.
	So they're trying to telegraph to the world.
	America's weak.
	Look what we can do and you should be our partner instead.
	The fact that they're doing it right before Blinken goes over to meet with the Chinese.
	Because the Secretary of State was meant to be there yesterday in China.
	Can you think about the optics?
	It's the same thing with Modi.
	Remember they came across the line when he was meeting Modi.
	When Gates went there, Secretary Gates, they had the first launch of their J20.
	I mean, in many ways... And the State of the Union tomorrow.
	Absolutely.
	Well, President Trump did the same thing as she.
	You remember that, right?
	I was actually in the bar in Mar-a-Lago when they announced the attack on Syria.
	For those who forget this, it's one of the most joyous moments of the Trump administration.
	It's incredible.
	It's not a state dinner.
	It was a dinner at Mar-a-Lago at President Trump's residence with the Communist dictator of China.
	And as President Trump tells it, over chocolate cake, he whispered in Xi's ear through the interpreter, oh, by the way, I just dropped 52 cruise missiles on Syria because they were being naughty boys.
	And then ask him, how do you like the cake?
	That's psychological warfare.
	That's the thing that the Chinese Communist Party does.
	Trump, in that case, that was magnificent.
	When I was sitting at the bar, I said, this is the single-handed, most important event, one-on-one event, where he Basically told she that we were at his level and he better not try anything.
	That's essentially how you message to these guys.
	Let's get a little bit wonky on this because this was happening at the same time that we were in the room.
	We spent nine months Writing a new national security strategy for the Trump administration, which was unlike any that had been written since the time of Reagan.
	And we opened with Reagan.
	Why?
	Because we said we're not going to have a laundry list of, you know, two theater wars and save the whale.
	We're going to actually prioritize things.
	And the big message of the NSS back then was we are back in an era of grand power competition.
	Which is just a realism, an inject of realism.
	And the chocolate cake cruise missile comment is that.
	Hey guys, America's back.
	Correct?
	Exactly right.
	And I would say, you know, my Yeah.
	watching the Chinese Communist Party, I think it put them back on their heels in a way that no American- Trump did.
	Trump did.
	In a way that no American president has done probably since Reagan.
	But Reagan, again, he was focused on the Soviet Union, wasn't really focused on China.
	They were a backwater back then.
	So, you know, I think it was the first time that they realized that, you know, here was somebody that really understood their method of warfare.
	Again, it's getting in your head and it's psychological.
	So how is this being sold now by Beijing?
	How are they selling this to Vietnam and Singapore?
	They're saying, hey, look what we can do.
	Well, they don't have to sell it, right?
	We're selling it for them, right?
	This debate that we're having in the United States, you know, the Chinese walk in the door and it's like they, you know, they're like, you have to, as the Vietnamese or the Singaporeans or any of those countries in their region, you have to take a step back like, wow, these guys are serious and Americans, maybe not so much.
	All right, everybody, you need to understand what's going on.
	When I joined the administration, my expectation, because that's what I'd been doing in the Defense Department, was to do counterterrorism, ISIS, al-Qaeda, and what have you.
	As soon as I got in there, got my clearances, read the presidential daily briefing, I realized China.
	China is the peer competitor, the only strategic threat we face, and President Trump understood that thanks in large part, well he's known it since the 1980s, but it's people like my friend General Rob Spalding who helped him understand the severity of the threat.
	Educate yourself, his latest book on the threat is War Without Rules.
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	Let's talk about how they think about war.
	How different it is.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	And all the aspects.
	Sure.
	What do you need?
	Oh, I just need to fix camera 2.
	Oh my gosh, yeah.
	Oh, do you have a title in mind for that monologue?
	Um... I did... I did... Thanks, Alex.
	Um...
	So now I'm hearing that Mattis basically kept... He didn't tell him.
	Didn't tell the president.
	That's a violation of his oath of office.
	Right.
	Let's talk about that.
	For the monologue... Yup.
	The real reason the balloon mattered.
	Alright.
	Real reason the balloon mattered.
	We'll talk about that.
	We'll look into that.
	And then...
	You gave me the title for a doctor.
	Yeah, right.
	But I want to use one of the cuts here.
	Oh, yeah.
	One of the... Oh, can you play cut seven and put the cameras on?
	Okay.
	Cut seven.
	This administration could have taken this thing down as it approached the Pacific or over the Aleutians in our airspace or water space, but they didn't do it.
	And I don't think they would have, and I think you're right, unless somebody had saw it.
	And then the explanations kept changing.
	They said, Well, it's just a weather balloon.
	It's not very sophisticated.
	They can find it by spies.
	And then people pointed out, well, you know, it has a capacity of two buses, so they must be experimenting with a big payload, and it could have weapon significance.
	And maybe this slow-moving balloon can take more accurate pictures.
	And then they changed and said, well, we wanted to protect people.
	And we were afraid of the debris, and, you know, Montana's a pretty empty place.
	And so I think public pressure finally forced the administration to do that.
	But if we had done anything like that in China, we would be on the brink of a war.
	All right, you can come in with that.
	Then I'll do my pillow, and then you can field the calls.
	All righty.
	Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning at NSC.
	Yep.
	All righty.
	90 seconds.
	So you'll come in with that, and then pillow.
	well.
	All right, then we have to talk Taiwan.
	Do you stay in touch with, who is the China guy, the Marine?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Pottager?
	Yeah, Pottager.
	He moved west, right?
	Out in, uh, out in Utah, yeah.
	Yeah, and the guy that followed me, came in after you left, was somebody who worked for me in the Joint Staff, a guy named Matt Turpin.
	Another good guy.
	Oh yeah, you introduced me to him.
	Yeah, he's a good guy.
	He was running like a little Air Force think tank, right?
	No, he was in the Joint Staff.
	He worked for me in the Joint Staff, and then you're thinking of Scott Baum.
	Scott Baum ran the OSEA, yeah.
	Then Matt went over as the Director of China, working for Matt Pottinger.
	Coming in with 7 VDH.
	Thank you.
	This administration could have taken this thing down as it approached the Pacific or over the Aleutians in our airspace or water space, but they didn't do it.
	And I don't think they would have, and I think you're right unless somebody had saw it.
	And then the explanations kept changing.
	They said, Well, it's just a weather balloon.
	It's not very sophisticated.
	They can find it by spies.
	And then people pointed out, well, you know, it has a capacity of two buses, so they must be experimenting with a big payload, and it could have weapon significance.
	And maybe this slow-moving balloon can take more accurate pictures.
	And then they changed and said, well, we wanted to protect people, and we were afraid of the debris.
	And, you know, Montana's a pretty empty place.
	And so I think public pressure Finally force the administration to do that, but if we if we had done anything like that in China We would be on the brink of a war The great Victor Davis Hanson of the Hoover Institution with my buddy Dan Bongino.
	The administration shut it down simply because they were embarrassed because somebody had seen it.
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	We are back with my former Trump administration buddy, Brigadier General, Air Force retired B-2 bomber Rob Spaulding, former defense attaché in Beijing.
	Rob, this, let's talk about the, they always say conservatives do this whataboutism that we Do comparisons that aren't relevant.
	What has the mainstream media been doing for the last three days, saying, well, there were balloons under the Trump administration.
	If that's not whataboutism, I don't know what is.
	But now we find out the president never knew about any balloons because?
	Because the Joint Chiefs and the Secretary of Defense didn't tell the president.
	Could you comment on that?
	Well, so I saw the tweets and, you know, I was at the White House.
	I never heard anything about any balloons.
	And you're the Senior Director of Strategy.
	Exactly.
	And, you know, I'm talking to my colleagues.
	None of them have ever heard anything about balloons.
	And they would be the first to hear, right?
	It wouldn't go directly to the President.
	Nothing.
	And so, you know, now I hear that possibly it was withheld.
	That's a violation of the oath of office.
	Yeah, if Secretary Mattis knew about it, but didn't tell his boss, who is the actual Commander-in-Chief, we have a problem.
	That's why we have elections.
	The President has all power and authority.
	And the power and authority is not his.
	It's derived from the people.
	And so if people start making decisions on behalf of the President that weren't elected by the people, we don't have a republic anymore.
	On that note, he's still in his position.
	We have the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs who has given an interview where he said, under the last administration, he was talking with General Li, his counterpart in Beijing, who said, don't worry about the current incumbent.
	If President Trump goes to war with China, I will give you fair warning.
	Yeah, once again, this is not consistent with our Constitution, which says the President has power and authority.
	And by the way, that's the only national referendum in our country, to pick the head of the executive branch.
	Why is it a national referendum?
	Because he represents the power of the people.
	We have an election, they choose, and that is how we have a constitutional republic.
	Otherwise, we have a banana republic.
	Now, you flew one of the sexiest airframes out of the B-2, the stealth.
	The logic of shooting this Blowing it up at 60,000 feet and above the water where it's now, they're trying to recover it instead of trying to capture it in a less kinetic fashion.
	Intel exploitation is going to be hard now, isn't it?
	Recovering it?
	Yeah, I don't know quite frankly though how you collect a balloon flying at 60,000 feet.
	We don't have any, you know, when we've collected things like that, they've been much lower in altitude.
	We've used helicopters.
	- If you punctured it instead of blown it up with an explosive missile. - You know, as I thought of the problem, we just don't, we don't create weapon systems that to take down the loose. - But the ocean's harder than recovering it on the ground.
	- Well, I think what they're trying to maybe say is that it wouldn't necessarily be as destroyed as if it hit hard ground.
	Again, I don't know the decision-making that went into it, so I really don't know.
	But the fact that we waited for it to traverse all of America...
	Well, that's the problematic piece of it, because that allows the Chinese Communist Party to make us look feckless.
	And that's one of the main problems.
	And to make it look as if we don't have control over our own airspace.
	We talked to Brigadier General Rob Spalding, U.S.
	Air Force retired, Senior Director for Strategic Planning at the NSC.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	He'll be with us for one more segment.
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	We'll be going to John Solomon momentarily for an update on all the Top secret file scandals that are swirling around the swamp.
	But my former colleague in the Trump administration, Brigadier General Spaulding, said something quite shocking at the weekend on Twitter spaces.
	The likelihood of China taking military action against Taiwan, Rob, in the imminent future?
	I think it definitely happens before the next administration.
	Before the next election?
	Yeah, before the next election.
	Because they see a window of opportunity with a weak administration?
	I think that's correct.
	That's accurate.
	And what would it look like?
	Would it be area denial?
	Would it be taking back Taiwan?
	Would it be a blockade?
	In my book, War Without Rules, I talk about unrestricted warfare, which was a doctrine for Chinese war.
	It's mostly economic and financial and meant to undermine us from within, but the part they talk about that is military related, they analyze the Gulf War.
	And one of the things they said about the Gulf War is that helicopters prove much more effective than tanks.
	at destroying tanks.
	So we destroyed a bunch of tanks, zero helicopters were lost.
	And so they talked about the efficacy of using helicopters in the Gulf War.
	And so my belief is it's going to be a major air invasion, a lot of helicopters and aerial paratroopers.
	So I think that's how they're going to do it.
	It's not going to be maritime, which is the classic way they think.
	And you know, maritime landings are pretty tough.
	But as you know, we've used air, the United States has used air quite effectively.
	And this is the thing that I think the Chinese Communist Party is going to surprise everybody with.
	Spoken like a true stealth bomber pilot.
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	We've been talking to my former White House colleague, Brigadier General retired Rob Spalding.
	Is he there?
	Do we have the media mogul at justthenews.com, John Solomon?
	Hey, guys, how are you?
	Good, good, good, good.
	I know we had some technical difficulties, but I'm glad I got a bad camera here.
	Sorry about that.
	No worries.
	No worries.
	You're a busy man.
	So, John, we need to talk about what's the latest because there are other stories out there.
	You have a piece you sent me.
	Congress secures first cooperation from National Archives in Biden document probe.
	Today, the weaponized FBI congressional committee has started its first hearing.
	What's the latest?
	Are we really seeing intransigence from federal government in assisting the new Congress?
	Or is it slowly giving way?
	Oh, it eventually will give away, but it's going to start with the slow walk dance.
	We've seen this dance all through the Clinton years, we saw it all through the Obama years, and now we're going to see it through the Biden years.
	A good example is that not even the Intelligence Committee has yet been told what documents were found at Joe Biden's home.
	But how is that possible?
	How is that possible, John?
	That people who have clearances, who have the job of overseeing the 17 intelligence agencies, aren't allowed to know what documents we're talking about?
	And keep in mind that we got to see every document found in Donald Trump's thing, including the folders they were taking pictures, photographs, disseminating to the media.
	Listen, the deep state decides that there is a permanent bureaucracy and they play favorites.
	And right now they're in the Democrats corner and they're just going to make this hard.
	But eventually Congress will prevail.
	They will get it because one of two things will happen.
	Either there'll be a contempt vote or Congress will do something more bold saying, OK, no problem.
	Don't give us the documents.
	We don't give you any money for next year's budget.
	Well, zero out your budget.
	Come back and see us then.
	And your reaction to the, it was like a comedy of errors last week, where Hunter Biden's attorneys said, we're going to take legal action.
	Those laptops are Hunter Biden's.
	You can't use any of the contents on it.
	And then the rapid backpedaling at Mac 5 saying, no, no, no, that doesn't mean they're his laptops.
	Did he just hire the worst attorneys in DC, John?
	Hunter Biden has been so hapless for so long.
	I mean, not even the White House wants to have this fight, right?
	But Hunter Biden's going to have it anyways.
	You get a sense of the type of guy he is.
	He miscalculates.
	He has an arrogance to him.
	He's not stupid, though.
	I don't want anyone to ever mistake this guy.
	He's very cunning.
	But isn't he a lawyer by training?
	He is.
	He is a lawyer, actually.
	He has a law degree, there's no doubt.
	Has he never heard of the concept of disclosure, John?
	Yeah, well, and there's another problem he has, which is he ought to read the terms of service of what he signed with John McIsaac.
	Yeah, listen, this is not going to work.
	It's just a distraction to get a couple days of free publicity for him.
	At the end of the day, the laptop and its contents are going to be there for everybody to see.
	Congress is going to have them.
	There's going to be other new evidence that James Comer's team is coming into possession of.
	We're going to learn a lot, and it's going to take us back, I think, to what happened this past weekend with China, right?
	We're all going to sit there.
	We all sit there and wonder, why is Joe Biden not taking more aggressive action on these phones?
	It turns out he might have known about the balloons for three or four months if the current timetable's true, because the timetable's been changing all weekend long.
	He can't get a straight story.
	But you're going to be left with this thing.
	Why did he not do it?
	And you're always going to wonder, was it those millions of dollars his family got from China?
	That's the problem with this family.
	They so compromise themselves that you can't trust their judgment even if you want to.
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	Last question, do you still have any faith in Special Prosecutor John Durham, John?
	Listen, I think he did a real investigation.
	He has two problems.
	His crimes were committed in the city of Washington, D.C., which means that the trials had to be there.
	It's a 93 percent Hillary Clinton town.
	No one accusing Hillary Clinton's people of wrongdoing was going to get convicted here.
	So at some point, after trying twice, he's going to roll up a nice report and we're going to learn a lot.
	But the only penalty now will be that of shame.
	It will not be Crime and prison, because of the stacked jury here.
	But I think there'll be some extraordinary moments of additional shame for the FBI, the intelligence community, and the Justice Department.
	Bookmark it right now, justthenews.com.
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	Welcome dear friends.
	Yes, where did that hour go?
	Gotta squeeze in some calls before we start hour two.
	Let's go to Annabelle, California.
	Happy Monday, Annabelle.
	Happy Monday, Dr. Gorka.
	I'm going to talk fast, not to be rude.
	I wanted to say that, oh, I have to talk fast.
	The beginning of wisdom is the fear of God.
	We know that's in the Bible.
	So I just wanted, this is not why I called, but I just want to say there is only, we need a president who can strike absolute terror in our enemies.
	There's only one man in America who has done it, who can do it, and that's Donald J. Trump.
	So I just wanted to say that.
	I appreciate it.
	But my idea, I thought of this during the 2020 I didn't think it would resonate, this idea for a... We weren't doing t-shirts back then as much, but anyway, this is my idea, really, really fast, and it scares me, and I'm not being... You're not being fast.
	You keep telling me you're being fast.
	You're using up time.
	You take the iconic recruitment poster, Uncle Sam wants you.
	This is exactly the same way it is.
	Except, obviously, you change a laughing face of Xi Jinping.
	You put it in there.
	It says, Uncle Xi wants you.
	Yes sir, it's an honor.
	I appreciate you, Dr. Gorka.
	That's good.
	I like that.
	Trump leaves most Americans have no idea who he is.
	I like the idea.
	I prefer one with President Trump.
	Let me think about that.
	Let's go to John Sacramento, line one.
	Yes, sir.
	It's an honor.
	I appreciate you, Dr. Gorka.
	Thank you.
	My whole take on this thing and Does it make Biden look good?
	conspiracists died, but I believe that this whole thing was set up to go exactly the way it did with this balloon.
	Why?
	Does it make Biden look good?
	Well, I think the thing is, they finally decided to collect on what they've paid out to him and his son.
	No, but does it make him look good?
	Make him look good?
	I don't see how.
	Well, then why would it be planned?
	Why would he want to do something that makes him look bad?
	You've got to think these things through, John.
	Let's go to Brent, line two.
	America's true General Gorka.
	I wish.
	Carry on, my friend.
	We've got a minute and a half.
	Well, China's balloon was simply Xi's way of publicly humiliating, disgracing, and exhibiting to the world that Biden is his battered and bought imperial eunuch.
	And Biden's treasonous decision to detonate the CCP's top secret classified balloon over the ocean to destroy its evidence Advertised what any other enemy of America can buy with a billion dollar donation to the Biden and son crime family.
	You know what?
	I think the bought eunuch, Beijing's bought eunuch, is a perfect description, Brent.
	That's why you are the Poet Laureate of America First.
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	The End The
	End The
	End Chinese balloon really spying over our nuclear sites in America.
	Very low-tech kind of technology to use for that kind of very high-end intelligence mission.
	Or was it rather a test?
	A test of the wherewithal, the spine and the rapidity or lack thereof of the response of the Biden administration.
	We'll discuss that and so much more.
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	The End
	So in your discussions of the nuclear freeze proposals, I urge you to beware the temptation of pride, the temptation of blithely declaring yourselves above it all, and label both sides equally at fault, to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire, to simply call the arms race a giant misunderstanding, and thereby remove yourself from the struggle between right and wrong, and good and evil.
	Who talks about good and evil anymore?
	Greetings, dear friends.
	This is America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist of President Trump.
	We are celebrating Ronald Reagan because it is his birthday.
	He would have been 112 today.
	And we celebrate him because of his clarity.
	This is a man who would use words like evil empire.
	He would say that it is a war against evil and we are on the side of the angels.
	If you just go back 50, 60 years and read the speeches of Democrat as well as Republican politicians, whether it's Truman, Eisenhower or anybody else, you will see That leadership was informed by morality and by cleaving to the truth.
	It's slightly tangential and we can talk about the balloons and everything else.
	The number is 833-33-Gorkov.
	It's 833-334-6752.
	But I was listening to my friends who have the best podcast in the UK.
	752.
	But I was listening to my friends who have the best podcast in the UK.
	It's called Trigonometry.
	These two former left-wing British comedians who had enough with wokery and political correctness and now they have one of the most successful podcasts.
	And Konstantin, the co-host, is Jewish-Ukrainian-Russian who as a child got out of the Soviet Union.
	And just there was something, a throwaway line.
	He'd just been on somebody else's podcast, a guy called Vive Frey.
	He's very popular.
	I think he's a bit of a lefty or libertarian or something or what have you.
	And he said, it's so hard talking to people who don't understand good and evil.
	And don't understand common sense.
	For example, people like Viva Frey who say, we just need to have de-escalation in Ukraine.
	The two parties just need to talk.
	There has to be a peace summit in Vienna or Geneva.
	And Konstantin says, you can't stop a war When both sides want to fight.
	It's such a simple statement but it kind of cut through all the garbage.
	And it is...
	A stake in the heart of those who say, well, you know, Soviet Union or Communist China, they're just another country.
	Don't call them evil.
	We could talk to the mullahs in Iran.
	We could talk to the Communist Party in Beijing that actually has labor camps.
	We can talk to people like Vladimir Putin who kills, literally has journalists murdered who write bad articles about him.
	It is a very special kind of stupid, a very special detachment from reality if you believe any of that.
	In the case of Ukraine, Ukraine will fight for survival forever, and Russia will oppress people for as long as they can.
	So what are we talking about?
	There is no negotiated settlement.
	There is no off-ramp.
	And likewise with China.
	The idea that this feckless, weak, beta male was going.
	What's his name?
	What's the Secretary of State's name?
	Blinken.
	I knew his dad when he was ambassador to Budapest.
	Both pathetic men.
	Blinken is going to Beijing on Sunday for negotiations with China.
	We're about to have the State of the Union tomorrow.
	And they let a balloon traverse the whole country!
	And China says, oh it's a civilian aircraft.
	There is no such thing as civilian in China.
	There is no civilian satellites or civilian surveillance balloons.
	It's a uniparty.
	It is a communist state.
	And what is the conclusion drawn?
	By everyone around the world.
	Everyone.
	Whether they're our enemies or our friends.
	Over the last six days.
	America does not wish to or is incapable of protecting its airspace.
	Which is worse?
	Incapable or doesn't wish to?
	Does it matter from the point of view of those who want to be our friends or those who want to defeat us?
	Economically or militarily, it matters not one whit.
	That is the truth of the balloon story, not what secrets was it able to suck up from the atmosphere.
	It's that this nation was demonstrably weak and cannot police its own territory.
	That's the lesson.
	All right, let's go to your calls.
	Let's go to South Carolina, line one, John.
	Dr. G, can you say trial balloon?
	Floating trial balloon?
	I like that.
	Who else?
	Surely, that's such low-hanging fruit.
	Surely somebody with the Washington Post got there first.
	Probably Slate.
	It's so low-hanging.
	Hey, do you follow me on social media, John?
	I do.
	Do you know what idea I had today and I got one of my team to write a meme?
	Do you remember what Nancy Pelosi did to President Trump during the State of the Union?
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	Okay, so my idea, Kevin, if Kevin McCarthy's comms team is paying attention, guys, if any of the...
	Out of the millions of people who listen to us, somebody who's close to Kevin McCarthy, I know MTG's big bosom buddies with him now, so somebody on MTG's comms team sent this idea.
	Tomorrow at the State of the Union, instead of ripping up Nancy, the speech like Nancy did, you know what Kevin McCarthy has to do, John?
	As Biden's speaking, he needs to reach under the desk, because he's going to be behind him as the speaker, and he needs to pull out a little helium balloon in the colors of Communist China and just let go of it.
	What do you think?
	Well, that's a good one, but let me follow up on that.
	What do you mean good?
	What do you mean good?
	It's superb, John!
	It's sublime!
	It's sublime!
	Let me work in coordination with you, Dr. G. He brings in large poster boards that says, Joe Biden bought and paid for in China, or Joe Biden made in China.
	Then he holds that up, and then he holds up another one.
	He holds it up over his head.
	Then he holds up two fingers over his head.
	You know, we can do all... But come on, you gotta have a balloon, John.
	Am I right?
	No, I'm agreeing to the balloon.
	I mean, the balloon is superb.
	I mean, it's brilliant.
	Thank you.
	But anyway, listen, here's the call-in point, Dr. G. Yes.
	...doesn't have to worry about a tainted jury in Washington, D.C.
	He can do what we do in South Carolina.
	We import the juries when we have tainted jury votes.
	What, from out of state?
	No, from out of town.
	But the whole city here, 93% of D.C.
	Yeah, but the whole city here, 93% of D.C. voted for Hillary Clinton, John.
	93%!
	Well, isn't John Durham a federal prosecutor?
	Yes!
	Okay, could he not bring somebody in from outside of D.C.?
	I mean, that's an open question.
	Sadly, John, sadly, that's a decision for the judge.
	Well, not necessarily.
	And I believe that there are ways around that, and that you can go over a judge's hip.
	You can appeal to things like that.
	We will ask our experts, Joe DiGenova and Victoria Townsend.
	I like the idea, John.
	I like the idea.
	This is what has been done.
	So instead of changing venue by moving the whole trial to, you know, five counties over, we just go and pick a jury pool from five counties over and bring those people in.
	I love it.
	Instead of moving the entire trial.
	I love it.
	There's a movie, there's a movie.
	Oh yeah, The Untouchables, where the judges found out to be corrupt and then they suddenly move all the jury out from the Capone case.
	I love it, John.
	You're one of our favorites.
	Let's go to Gordon, Pennsylvania, line four.
	Hi, Dr. G. Thanks for having me on.
	Sure.
	Pleasure.
	All right.
	What's your point?
	What's your question?
	All right.
	So my point is I'm so glad that they came out and said that probably they wouldn't.
	They haven't told President Trump about prior balloons.
	I recorded one 2020.
	And I posted it up on YouTube.
	The Koch Family Visits the Space Center is how you can find it and you can see it yourself.
	You videoed a balloon?
	I videoed a balloon that appears to be one of those surveillance balloons.
	For a long time I had the video and I thought maybe it's a UFO.
	My background is in special operations.
	I was a former federal law enforcement officer.
	Alright, what was your MOS in Special Operations?
	And today when I heard all these people saying what happened, I was like, oh, man, I got to go home and take this thing off.
	All right.
	What was your MOS in special operations?
	What did you do?
	I was MSRT and MSST Coast Guard.
	All right.
	Thank you, buddy.
	I'll check it out.
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	Yeah!
	Alrighty.
	You wanna do ins and outs?
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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	We're on the line, and the mics are on.
	Oh, is he sitting outside?
	He's a little fresh for that.
	Yeah.
	Hey, Global Warming.
	That's a guy.
	Nice.
	Good, good, good.
	All right.
	So the topics...
	What's this?
	Oh, my pillow.
	Oh, okay.
	So we talked about... What did we send you?
	It said climate justice and Fauci.
	Oh, climate.
	Yeah, you gotta explain climate justice.
	And then Fauci.
	What did that thing you sent me about Fauci?
	Oh, and I'm sending you an image, Eric, that we're gonna use for Fauci.
	Okay.
	Want me to block the lines?
	Uh, yeah.
	Alright.
	Uh, what was it that you sent me last, Mark?
	Uh, uh, uh, uh...
	Well there's something today about the medical stuff, you know, they want to ban anesthesia.
	Oh yeah, we're talking about anesthesia, that's...
	We're back to the days of a shot of whiskey and bite on a strap.
	And a hammer.
	And a hammer, right?
	Fauci, COVID, and climate.
	Okay, COVID.
	Yeah, the good old days of the Civil War medicine.
	Right, right.
	A wooden mallet.
	Right.
	All right, two minutes.
	Standby.
	What do you want to start with?
	Fauci or the other?
	Fauci would lead to the other medical stuff.
	We could start with climate justice if you want to do that.
	Yeah, I want you to explain what climate justice is.
	Okay.
	What have we got here?
	This is a B segment.
	We've got to do Consumer's Report.
	Did you send me the picture?
	Yes.
	Oh, did you email it or text it?
	Text it.
	Oh, I see it.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Sounds about right, honestly.
	I know.
	I would expect.
	He's got to get rich somehow.
	Come in with Rubio.
	Rubio, that's cut five.
	Alright.
	I got a cigar going.
	Is that your dog?
	No.
	Yes, it is actually.
	He's in the distance.
	I can put him in.
	No, no, no.
	That's fine.
	Okay.
	He's in the back yard there, so.
	We like dogs.
	Oh yeah.
	Coming in with a count to five minutes.
	No liner, Alex.
	Finishing a cigar, huh?
	Oh, what are you smoking?
	This is a Fratello.
	Oh, that's good, Fratello.
	Yeah, that's a good cigar.
	Yeah, this has the sweetened tip, which I kind of like.
	It gives you that pipe tobacco feel.
	Nice.
	It's a very subtle sweetness throughout the cigar, but it's a great, you know, they sell them at Tobaccology.
	They're like a limited edition cigar.
	Is that where you get your cigars?
	That's where I got this one, yeah.
	I usually eat that or Virginia tobacco or Virginia tobacco.
	But I don't think the technology or the existence of these things is a great mystery.
	I think what's embedded here is a clear message.
	It's not a coincidence that this happens leading up to the State of the Union Address, leading up to Blinken's visit to China.
	The Chinese knew that this was going to be spotted.
	They knew that we were going to have to react to it.
	They flew it over military installations and sensitive sites right across the middle.
	I mean, look at the flight path of this thing.
	It's a diagonal shot right through the middle of the continental United States, and the message embedded in this to the world is, we can fly a balloon over airspace of the United States of America, and they won't be able to do anything about it to stop us.
	Little Marco, pretty good on CNN with that failure.
	What's his name?
	What's that guy's name?
	Oh, Tapper, right.
	Jakey, Jakey boy Tapper.
	You got it.
	They demonstrated our airspace.
	It's not like they're flying at 100,000 feet with a, you know, fifth generation stealth aircraft.
	A balloon!
	We can't even protect ourselves against a balloon.
	Dear friends, wokeism has taken over media.
	It's taken over the high schools, the colleges, now the private sector, and not just Disney.
	This is much worse.
	It's your pension funds.
	Companies like BlackRock that are investing trillions of dollars of your money are woke.
	They are following the ESG ideological left-wing metric system and we can't let them.
	What do you do about it?
	There's one organization that's been fighting for consumers for decades against fraud and abuse.
	It's the Consumers Research.
	Okay?
	It's consumersresearch.org.
	is the website.
	Now they're taking the fight to funds like BlackRock to say, get politics out of the pension funds.
	Find out the threat to you and support this amazing initiative at consumersresearch.org, consumersresearch.org.
	One man who's been fighting wokeism for decades himself, a truth teller extraordinaire when it comes to the climate hoax, the man who created Climate Depot, Mark Moranos.
	It's been too long.
	Are you really sitting outside smoking a cigar as you are coming on my show?
	Look at that!
	That's global warming!
	He's polluting right now!
	I'm so jealous.
	I'm gonna have to have a cigar very, very soon.
	Okay, Mark.
	First things first, so much to discuss with you.
	Let's just put this up for a... No, hang on.
	I'll save that.
	Stay, wait for it, wait for it.
	We'll show that in a second, guys.
	First things first, help me, what is this word I'm sure you've come across at the Climate Depot?
	What is climate justice, Mark?
	Okay, being a veteran of the last 20 years going to these United Nations climate summits, I can give you a very good definition of what the United Nations believes, what the climate activists believe.
	They believe that the wealthy Western world, our use of fossil fuels has created a climate emergency that is now going to disproportionately affect the developing world.
	Africa, Asia, South America, where people don't have that kind of development.
	And that somehow we've made the storms worse.
	We haven't.
	That we've made floods and droughts and hurricanes worse.
	And that our way of living, our SUVs, our thermostats, our air conditioner, our modern energy is ruining their weather and destroying their lives.
	And we're going to create, in Al Gore's words, billions of climate refugees from the developing world.
	So the idea is we have to pay for our climate justice sins.
	In other words, we committed an act of racism.
	And this goes deep.
	I mean, I have a whole chapter in my book, Green Fraud, about how identity politics has invaded the climate change debate.
	And it's to the point now where we have a Rhode Island professor Rhode Island University saying that the data is racist, that you can no longer rely on data because essentially it comes from white supremacy.
	We have top NASA scientists, multiple ones, saying that climate change is due to white supremacy.
	We have climate activists who want to defund the police.
	Because they think that's the way to solve the climate crisis.
	We have some who want to abolish the police as a solution.
	Just last week, Jane Fonda came out and said that she linked the climate crisis to racism.
	Everything's connected.
	There'd be no climate crisis if it wasn't for racism.
	Jane Fonda's exact quote.
	So the idea is we have to pay for our sins to people of color in the developing world, And the way to do that is through the United Nations Climate Slush Fund.
	The way to do that is through massive wealth redistribution, and that's at the core of the entire climate agenda.
	And not only that, they're trying to connect it, of course, to COVID or to the next pandemic.
	Your latest book is The Great Reset, Global Elites and the Permanent Lockdown.
	Everybody, you've got to get it, especially because of the foreword.
	It's got an amazing foreword by somebody.
	I don't know, you may have heard of him.
	But let's talk about the latest news regarding the man who locked down America, Fauci.
	I just found this today on social media.
	This is Fauci's new career.
	So this is from his bureau that books him.
	He is listed under motivational speakers, healthcare speakers, and you can get him to speak to your company for your event for 30 minutes for a cool $50,000 to $100,000.
	Pretty good business to be in, right, Mark?
	It is, especially when you've turned the entire public health response on its head.
	In other words, pre-2019, there wasn't a single epidemiology book that said, if you're faced with a virus, you need to shut schools, businesses, churches, issue stay-at-home orders, cancel weddings, funerals, cancel all medical treatment, and create the most disruptive, literally the most disruptive action by any government since any world war that we've had in our lifetimes.
	This is what Anthony Fauci presided over with his coronavirus restrictions through the NIH and of course CDC and of course the whole coronavirus public health bureaucracy.
	So this man now wants to impart that wisdom and of course we now know it's a disaster.
	Excess deaths, we know that deferred We know the mental health crisis.
	We know the drug addiction crisis that's occurred.
	We know the crisis that's occurred amongst student education.
	You literally can't get a man, Anthony Fauci, who has been more disastrous to modern Western society in one single act, in one single movement of the coronavirus lockdowners.
	He embodies it and now he wants to cash in at up to $100,000 a speech.
	Cash in!
	I should say he's already cashed in.
	He's the highest paying government bureaucrat.
	He also benefited from the drugs they approved.
	So you had an agency in the federal government, NIH, working in collusion with private business and Anthony Fauci setting it all up.
	This is probably the most corrupt man in Washington and that's saying something.
	That is saying something.
	We're talking to Mark Murano, the founder of Climate Depot.
	ClimateDepot.com.
	He is the author of The Great Reset.
	You should get it.
	It's his latest book, Global Elites and the Permanent Lockdown.
	We're going to tell you how COVID is now being linked.
	The tools they developed to take your freedoms away from you are now being linked to the climate hoax.
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	To me, Mark... Mark...
	The argument is that your typical surgery is a, let me get the exact, there's a certain mileage that they talk about.
	It's like equivalent of driving a car hundreds of miles.
	And that anesthesia causes so much of a huge carbon footprint that they want to lessen the amount of anesthesia per surgery and still have the patients feel nothing.
	But the idea is it's a part of a whole healthcare movement to reduce hospital carbon footprints The American Cancer Society's in on this.
	They fretted over the carbon footprint of cancer care.
	And it's a whole movement to basically go through our medical community, top to bottom, and look at ways to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
	Not to improve patient care, patient outcomes, solve disease, but to change medicine into another branch of the global warming climate establishment.
	What was your major?
	What did you do in college?
	Government politics and communications.
	It just blows my mind how anybody who's in the, you know, quote-unquote hard sciences, like a doctor, how they can just surrender to this BS.
	It's, I mean, it's the same as we're seeing what we saw happen with wokeness in corporate America.
	But there I get it.
	There it's a kind of political insurance.
	They don't want to be, you know, they don't want Al Sharpton to come along.
	But when you're having to, you know, cut into people's bodies every day and give them medicine, there's no room for, you know, ideology.
	You'd think, and that's the thing.
	Whether it's politicians or corporate, a lot of it's just virtue signaling to keep their jobs and they move on.
	But they're right.
	Medicine, and this is relatively new with medicine.
	We'll see how this progresses.
	They just had a major conference in Florida, anesthesiology, the American Council of American Anesthesiologists.
	They had this study and the actual title was, and this was actually on their website, it's a peer-reviewed study, Reducing Anesthetics During Surgery.
	Decreases greenhouse gases.
	That study, after I highlighted it the last 48 hours, has now been pulled.
	It says page not found.
	Wow.
	I think there is some shame and there is some internal controversy happening.
	I took a screenshot and I have it from their press release at other sites, but they no longer have that study up.
	So, and I even did keyword searches.
	So, there is a certain Where was that published?
	It was, uh, it was published by the, uh, let me get the name of the actual, uh, the council, American Society of Anesthesiologists.
	And it's all linked in my article.
	I have the original.
	But think of it in terms of the sort of the transgender movement.
	You have these hospitals doing, and it's funny today if you look at Twitter, it's all about female genital mutilation throughout Africa and poor countries.
	These cultural things and all the woke liberals.
	We have to condemn this.
	We have to condemn this.
	But then you have these modern hospitals Doing all this surgery for teenagers and kids under, you know, 15, some of them.
	But when they're called out, and you saw this, they immediately pull their websites, they immediately shut up, they immediately cancel some of them.
	So there is a certain amount of shame in these medical institutions for these type of issues.
	And we have to keep the pressure on them.
	Unbelievable.
	All right, we'll start with that.
	Standby.
	Okay.
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	He's the man who taught me the most about the climate hoax, especially, what is it?
	The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change.
	Is that the right title?
	Yes, that's right.
	Love that.
	I mean, I had it next to my bed for months because I was learning so much.
	Oh my gosh, look at that, as if by magic it appears.
	The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change.
	Thank you, Eric.
	And the latest one that has a foreword written by me, The Great Reset, Global Elites and the Permanent Lockdown, Mark Murano.
	Now, the next topic, and we could do this for hours, Sounds like an SNL skit.
	Sounds like, you know, Monty Python at its heyday.
	You know, they're going to get out the wooden mallet and hit you on the head the next time you go in for knee surgery.
	But in a professional journal of anesthesiology that has now been, probably thanks to you, deleted, what was the state of the art arguing for in medical science, Mark?
	The American Society of Anesthesiologists published a paper entitled, Reducing Anesthetics During Surgery Decreases Greenhouse Gases.
	And they claimed, as a subtitle, without affecting patient care.
	Study shows.
	And I did a whole story on this.
	Hang on, hang on.
	We need to repeat this.
	So the Professional Journal of Anesthesiology said that you're going to save the planet and have less greenhouse gases if we don't use modern anesthesiology techniques on patients undergoing surgery.
	Did I hear you correctly?
	They want to reduce it.
	Now, they're not calling for an outright ban, but remember, everything starts out as, let's restrict it, and then eventually leads to a ban.
	So the question is, are we going back to Civil War-era medicine, where you do a shot of whiskey and you bite on a leather strap?
	That's where we might be headed, because this is an insane ideology that's literally infected our modern society, this idea of climate change, catastrophe, and carbon footprint.
	So you found this, you wrote about it, and then what happened, Mark?
	Well, just today, I posted this article, I guess about two days ago, but this morning when I'm sending it out, I noticed that I get reports back like, oh, the article's been taken down.
	And I went to the website of the American College of Anesthesiologists, and it's gone.
	Page cannot be found.
	Now, luckily, they had sent out a press release, so I was able to link it to another site, but I'd also had screenshots.
	So now at climatedepot.com I have the original article, you can see the whole screenshot, and excerpts from it, and you can see that website no longer available, which shows you that they have some level of shame here.
	But what they're doing, this was a doctor also, one of the authors of the study was at this meeting about a week ago in Florida, and he was bragging about how we have to look at reducing the carbon footprint, and they came up with absurd stuff.
	It's equivalent, an hour of surgical anesthesia is equivalent of driving 470 miles.
	Now think about that.
	And there's actually, it's even worse, if you get like a more intricate surgery, it can equal thousands of miles in a car.
	They're actually, so they want to guilt people.
	You go in for an appendectomy or whatever it is, and you're going to be thinking, oh my gosh, I have to buy carbon offsets.
	And believe me, there's people in our society who buy carbon offsets.
	You've been studying this for decades and we've only got like a minute left, but I gotta ask you this question.
	Why does somebody who's gone to, if you're an anesthesiologist, you've probably done like 10 or 11 years of science-based training.
	Why the hell would somebody who lives in the real world give in to this crap?
	The same reason And the same reason that they're giving in to transgendered and underage kids, the same reason corporations.
	It's about fitting in.
	It's about having a career.
	It's about not facing cancel culture.
	And they are pretty darn good at that.
	And they're pretty confident that they can make this happen.
	But keep in mind, and also the way they're going to train.
	At the same time, Harvard University Just announced they will integrate climate change into their MD medical doctorate curriculum.
	So you're going to have young doctors from a very young age being tossed.
	And one final point, Sebastian, last year, 2021, almost two years ago, A Canadian doctor was the first ever on record to diagnose a patient with climate change, suffering from heat stroke.
	And Australian academics also want to add climate change as a cause of death.
	I'm going to get a certificate from my physician saying I'm suffering from the climate hoax.
	I think you need one of those as well.
	Mark Murano, climatedepot.com.
	The book is The Great Reset.
	Got to get you back.
	God bless you.
	He's sitting outside having a cigar.
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	Hello, Rumble Chat.
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	Over 1,400 of you.
	You guys will want to stay tuned for this third hour.
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	Is reality just too much?
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	I hear they have tote bags.
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
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	I just thought up a new poll, Eric.
	We need to put this on the website.
	Because, oh my gosh, how many people did I see at the weekend?
	Especially at church, it kind of really stood out to me.
	People wearing masks.
	And people who had masks on their children.
	And I'm going to ask you this question.
	When you see somebody with a mask today, what do you think of first?
	A. That they're just woefully ignorant, or 2.
	Just irrationally afraid.
	What do you think it is?
	Ignorance or fear?
	I'm curious.
	We're going to put that poll up right now at SebGorka.com.
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	I want to hear from you.
	What do you think?
	We're going to go to your calls.
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	Let's go to your calls.
	Joe, Illinois, line two.
	Dr. G, I would love nothing more than to see Kerry Lake at the State of the Union address.
	I think that would be better than a balloon floating over the chamber.
	I think nothing more would piss off the left I love that idea.
	Carrie Lake.
	Isn't Carrie Lake going to be on our show tomorrow, Eric?
	Isn't she the one-on-one?
	Oh no, she's Wednesday.
	Guys, you can't miss.
	She's going to be on our show for an hour.
	I love that idea.
	Carrie Lake, State of the Union.
	Will Kevin McCarthy do something that adventurous?
	We shall see.
	I do know Sarah Huckabee Sanders is going to be giving the official GOP response.
	And that's a good choice too.
	Thank you, Joe.
	Let's go to Dale, Line 2, Detroit.
	Yeah, I have a suggestion for McCarthy what he could do with the State of the Union address.
	The copy he has.
	He's taking suggestions.
	Go ahead.
	So I think you should pull out a picture frame, a nice picture frame from underneath the desk there and put it in the picture frame and hang it right behind him on the wall.
	Like kind of a sarcastic opposite of what What Pelosi did.
	Yeah, thanks Dale.
	Not sure it really reverberates with dripping sarcasm.
	Thank you.
	Maria Cleveland, Line 4.
	Hello, Dr. Gorka.
	It's an honor to speak with you.
	I like to float this idea.
	I think that every Republican member of the House and the Senate should walk in with a white helium balloon and just sit down with it and let it be there with them when they listen to the speech.
	I like that.
	That's kind of a little spin on what I was suggesting.
	How about this?
	How about not a white helium balloon?
	How about a red one for the red communist nation that flew the balloon over our country?
	Exactly, Dr. Gorkai.
	I agree wholeheartedly.
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you, Maria.
	Come on, guys.
	Find somebody who will give you some discount deals on hundreds of helium-filled white or red balloons.
	Kevin better come up with something.
	If you can't come up with a good stunt to exploit the fecklessness of this White House tomorrow for the State of the Union, Dude, come on.
	It's so easy.
	Look at the memes I've just posted today.
	It's got a line 5, Kirk Pittsburgh.
	Kirk, is he like at the drive-thru at Arby's?
	Is he getting... Is that a dog being... Kirk!
	You're on live national radio!
	Speak now or forever hold your tongue!
	Three, two, one.
	All right, let's go to my buddy Ryan Zinke, who has been re-elected.
	He is now in Congress again, and when I heard this at the weekend, it was superb.
	This is, well look, he's a former SEAL.
	He's talking to a SEAL, and he summarized the whole balloon fiasco, the Biden balloon fiasco, perfectly.
	Ryan Zinke, cut four.
	This is interesting to unwrap, right?
	Because we know China lied.
	China says, well, it's a civilian airship.
	That's not true.
	And then you look at what this administration said.
	Three things.
	Immediately, well, you know, this has happened routinely before.
	They tried to blame it on Trump.
	This is right out of their playbook, right?
	I've talked to cabinet members.
	No cabinet member in the Trump administration can recall ever being briefed on an air balloon of this size from China.
	So that doesn't hold water.
	Secondly, well, we're going to wait until we can find an area where we're going to reduce or mitigate civilian casualties on the ground.
	I can tell you, it went over the Aleutian chain.
	Carl, you and I have trained there.
	There's nothing out in the Aleutian chain.
	And then it comes over Montana.
	They don't even tell the governor until it's hundreds of miles inside Montana.
	And look, there's counties in Montana, such as Petroleum County, has 434 people.
	That's less than the number of members of Congress.
	Well, that doesn't make any sense.
	And I guarantee you, off the coast of the Carolinas, there's more boat traffic than there is traffic in Montana.
	And lastly, they said, well, don't worry about it, because it didn't vacuum up anything worth noting, because they have satellite imagery.
	I can tell you what they found out, in our nepotude.
	They watched this whole thing, and they watched our complete chain of command, disastrous outcome, and do nothing.
	So, they're wrong on all three.
	It seems like China is lying.
	That's former SEAL Ryan Zinke on Newsmax poking every hole in the Swiss cheese of lies that is the Biden administration's explanation for the Biden balloon fiasco.
	The illusion chain.
	Yeah, we couldn't shoot it down there that's basically utterly unpopulated.
	No, no, no.
	We had to wait till it traversed the whole of the nation.
	Nicely done, Mr. 10%.
	But he's the big guy!
	Don't forget, Biden, he's the big guy.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Who's the guy on Fox?
	I recognize him.
	Hang on, you mean Reagan Cut3 or the... Reagan Cut3.
	Reagan Cut3, okay.
	Sorry, yeah, I should clarify that.
	Yep.
	Reagan Cut 3, Fascism and Liberalism.
	Thank you.
	And what is fascism?
	Fascism is private ownership, private enterprise, but total government control and regulation.
	Well, isn't this the liberal philosophy?
	The conservative, so-called, is the one that says, less government.
	Get off my back.
	Get out of my pocket.
	How true he was.
	Happy birthday.
	Today, Ronald Reagan would have been 112.
	If fascism ever comes to America, it will come under the guise of liberalism.
	Isn't that what we have witnessed?
	Look at what we've learned in just the last couple of months from the hashtag Twitterphiles and Elon Musk's purchase of one of the most influential social media platforms in the world.
	It's supposed to be a free market.
	It's supposed to be Palo Alto and big tech.
	But what do we know?
	We know That the FBI was meeting every single week.
	The DHS was going in there and telling, telling a private company which accounts should be throttled, should be censored, or which should be deleted.
	It's happening right now.
	Now more than ever, we have to stand up and we have to push back.
	Maybe it takes people who were Democrats, like Reagan.
	To see the light.
	I myself was a conservative all my life because, well, with my family background, when your father is arrested at the age of 20 for being an anti-communist, is tortured, is imprisoned, is given a life sentence, you don't get that out of your bloodstream.
	Not ever.
	But we all need to wake up.
	We need to understand what Reagan warned us of.
	Those who preach equality, those who change language and deny reality that men can be women, women can be men.
	They have no moral center.
	They have no compass.
	All they care for is power.
	They want the state to be stronger and stronger and stronger.
	And as the aphorism states, bigger government, smaller citizen.
	What are you doing to be a part of that?
	Are you letting your voice be heard politically?
	Are you active on social media?
	You should be.
	Are you running for local office?
	You should be.
	Are you getting involved in understanding what your children or your grandchildren are being taught in school or being indoctrinated with?
	Because if you're not doing it, guess what?
	Nobody else is.
	You have to step into the breach.
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	Next up, my favorite movie, the best movie of all time!
	As far as I'm concerned, what is it?
	I think Alex is giving you a little bit of a clue.
	Stay on this channel, we're gonna have so much fun.
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	Impressive.
	Most impressive.
	See the thing you people wouldn't believe in.
	I don't want to talk to you, I'm not.
	Let's proceed together.
	Shall we continue?
	Describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about your mother My mother?
	How to start a movie with a bang, a little bit.
	Literally.
	Welcome, dear friends, to a very special extended episode of Making Movies Great Again.
	Why?
	Because...
	It's the best movie ever made, at least that's what I think so.
	My co-host may have another opinion and that's why this is so much fun.
	He's known as Mr. Reagan, the host of the Mr. Reagan channel and the alpha critic, Chris Coles.
	Is it true that prior to our discussion last week, you had not seen the greatest movie made by man?
	Yeah, what was weird was that I hadn't seen Alien all the way through that we watched last week.
	And this, but I had seen probably, I would say 90% of Alien.
	I'd seen most of Alien at various times.
	Blade Runner, I would say I'd seen 10% of it.
	Wow.
	This was truly an experience.
	I mean, it was honestly like this was one of the most The most profound cinema experiences I have had in a very long time.
	All right.
	I'm so glad to hear that.
	So I've seen this film maybe 200 times.
	I sat down with my son.
	We watched the final cut, which is Ridley Scott's final version from 2007 or 2009, anyway.
	We were smoking multiple cigars in a darkened room.
	It was fabulous.
	What was your experience?
	What were the conditions under which you watched Blade Runner?
	And which version, if you recall, did you watch?
	I did watch it late last night.
	I had everything dark.
	My windows do not actually have curtains, so I was looking out at the metropolis that is Los Angeles.
	So you saw the flying cars going by?
	Exactly.
	Yeah, I would look out.
	It was really kind of weird because I'd be watching the film, and if I would look to my right, I would actually see something somewhat similar, at least You know, as close as you can get in our actual world to what was on the screen, so that was a bizarre experience.
	But I watched the theatrical version.
	With the voiceover?
	Yeah, I mean, it was as close to a film noir as you can get in the 1980s, and not be cheesy or look like some kind of remake of these old film noirs, but actually like a continuation, like an authentic continuation of that genre.
	All right, so let's start with your impressions as somebody who came to the full experience newly last night.
	Why are you so impressed?
	Talk to us about this reinvented modern noir.
	Did I say I was impressed?
	I think you said it was amazing.
	Is that what I said?
	No, I will say I was impressed.
	I was impressed.
	And I have to say that it is It is not what I expected it to be, because Blade Runner is actually very ingrained in the culture in many, many ways.
	It has inspired a lot of other work, and I will say it has inspired a lot of inferior work.
	Because this is a very stylized film.
	Very stylized.
	To the point where I would look at something like this from the outside and say, there's no way that has a good story.
	Right?
	Because so much is invested into the visuals.
	Exactly right.
	If you watch like an Oscar nominated film, right?
	All these Oscar nominated films, they're always really heavy on the acting, heavy on the cinematography, light on story.
	There's not really much of a good story there.
	This was so heavily invested in the visuals, the set design, you know, the, the atmosphere, the cinematography, this kind of stuff.
	I just assumed that the story was some kind of like boring, uh, you know, I dunno, maybe something philosophical and it was philosophical, but it is a really great story.
	It's just a really good story to, to tell.
	I mean, if you, if you read this as a book, I mean, I know it came from a novel originally somewhat.
	Uh changed obviously from the original but uh yeah it would be a it would just be a fun read and so the story that they've got here is actually an excellent story uh and so when you get done with this project you feel satisfied that you've actually gone through a journey that was that was actually fun which is definitely not what I expected with this.
	All right, so let's talk about the people responsible for it.
	Let's talk about Ridley Scott.
	We reviewed Alien last week.
	He made this literally after making Alien, which was his second movie.
	So let's stop there for a second.
	This is Ridley Scott's third movie, OK?
	After The Duelists, Alien.
	He just finished this.
	He'd just been hired to direct Dune, OK?
	So he was going from Alien to Dune.
	His elder brother dies suddenly from cancer.
	He's kind of in a meltdown, and Dune's taking too long, and so he refused.
	He refused Blade Runner.
	And then he says, I gotta get to work.
	I gotta, you know, get away from this horror of my brother just dying.
	And he picks up Dune.
	And there's all... well, talk about the horrors of making the movie, the various...
	Scripts.
	The first script writer, Fanshawe, who was fired.
	Peebles, who comes in.
	But let's just stop for a second that, yes, he'd made hundreds of commercials.
	This was Ridley Scott's third movie, Chris.
	That's incredible because the special effects here are pretty dang seamless.
	I mean, if you talk with the models or the matte paintings, and here's what's so impressive to me about this film.
	I mean, beyond just the fact that it's super stylized and it's got a great story, which to me is so hard to find, so hard to find.
	And I would actually say that of all the films I've ever seen in my life, this film does that the best.
	You mean combining it?
	Yeah, it weaves an excellent story into something that's so unbelievably stylized, it's basically unrecognizable to our modern sensibilities, and it does look like a version of the future that could exist.
	I think this is supposed to be 2019.
	We did not, fortunately, we did not end up in this world, but there is so much about this world that is so distinctly different.
	I mean, it really is like a completely other universe, and there are so many little details That have to be designed for this project.
	I mean, even the way that this, uh, you know, Pleasure Android chick just spray paints her eyes, uh, and gives you, gives her that black sort of messy mascara look.
	It's just like, who thought, thinks of that kind of thing?
	You know what I mean?
	It's just such an alien world and they do such a, an absolutely amazing job of it.
	Uh, and the, and the reason I brought up Hugh Ferris before the show, there's this guy, Hugh Ferris, And he designed, this is from I think the 1920s, 1930s, he would draw these sketches of a futuristic world.
	I don't know if you've seen the movie Metropolis?
	Of course!
	Yeah, yeah.
	So do you guys have pictures of his actual drawings?
	Yeah, there we go.
	So he drew these skyscraper type Buildings, and these Metropolis-type cities, like the movie Metropolis, which I think was 1929, a German expressionist film.
	Yeah, where C-3PO comes from, the gold android in Metropolis.
	Yes, right, exactly, yeah, yeah, and although it's a female, I think, in the original movie, Metropolis.
	Well, Hugh Ferris had these sketches, and I couldn't, and I used to love these sketches, and I thought they were absolutely brilliant when I was in college.
	Did he influence Metropolis, or it just looks like Metropolis?
	Because I'm not familiar.
	I'm not sure.
	I think he may have influenced Metropolis, but it looks very much like he influenced the architecture in Blade Runner.
	And I'm looking at this movie and I'm thinking, ah, those look like they were taken almost directly from these Hugh Ferris drawings from back in the day.
	They just picked up so many interesting visuals, so many interesting ideas that ended up being so beautiful and working seamlessly together with the special effects.
	Like the flying cars, I couldn't even tell really how they did that.
	It must be blue screen or something.
	It was actually cranes.
	This is a crane.
	This is a crane with a life-size spinner with fire extinguishers being the retro rockets.
	It's just, it's stunning.
	This stuff.
	But like this one, like it's flying past you and you get like a lens flare and everything.
	Right.
	I mean it looks, it looks unbelievable for the time.
	Right.
	We'll talk about the details.
	We'll talk about the big plot.
	We'll talk about the acting and whether or not A certain detective is a replicant.
	We are making movies!
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	All right, let's talk about the little details, many of which, you know, they're amazing production designers, special effects people, but a lot of the stuff actually came from the actors themselves.
	We'll talk about Rutger Hauer's incredible contribution to the finale of the movie, but Edward Olmos, who plays Gath, the, you know, the monosyllabic cop that...
	that ropes in Decker to come back.
	His opening lines are called Gotta Speak, Mishmash.
	Let's play this because there's something a little personal for me here.
	Let's play this little cut.
	Hey, Edywha.
	Monsieur, Adonai Kovashin Engambite.
	He sent you under arrest, Mr. Decker. - Thank you.
	Got the wrong guy, pal.
	He say you great runner.
	Tell him I'm eating.
	He's a U-grade runner.
	Tell him I'm eating.
	Captain Brian Togga.
	Kenny O'Meal.
	Brian, huh?
	Hoi!
	Captain Brian Togga.
	Yeah.
	Lófasz, nehogy már, te vagy a Blade Runner!
	That's actually Hungarian.
	So Edward Olmos, it's actually rude, it means horse's sexual organ.
	It's a phrase in Hungarian.
	If you don't believe something, instead of saying BS, you say Horse's sexual organ.
	It's very colloquial.
	He says, horse's sexual organ, you are the Blade Runner.
	So Edward Olmos would actually go off, take bits of Hungarian, bits of Japanese, learn them phonetically, and they turn this into this modern gotta speak from Blade Runner.
	Just the level of attention, Chris.
	No, that's very cool.
	I mean, yeah, you're right.
	And the level of attention, the fact that they live in a universe in which Hungarian and Japanese and German and all these languages get mixed, it's such a bizarre idea.
	But, you know, you could see it in the 80s that the world was becoming more combined, like, you know, you're more multi-ethnic and this kind of thing.
	So, you know, it was conceivable, I suppose, back then.
	But then, like, look at her look.
	Like, everything... This is such a bizarre film, because I was saying, like, they seem to draw the inspiration from the architecture from, like, the 1930s.
	Yes.
	A lot of stuff seems to be that kind of almost art deco style.
	Utterly.
	Utterly.
	Yeah, and they have some of the cars look like they're from the 40s and everything.
	I mean, whoever designed this film, if you would have given me a list of the ideas that they had, I would have said, there's no way this is going to work together.
	But somehow with the gritty look that they have, it all works beautifully.
	And she, you know, I've seen pictures of her before.
	I didn't think she was particularly beautiful.
	But watching the film, I think it must be the contrast between the world and what she looks like.
	She's so elegant in the movie.
	She is genuinely beautiful when you watch the film.
	Let's talk about Shawn Young for a moment because her, you know, she gets a lot of grief for, you know, they had no chemistry.
	Harrison really didn't like her.
	She went off the deep end later, had run-ins with the law.
	But in this movie, When she walks out into this room, it is the femme fatale from the 1930s movie noir.
	I mean, the clothing, the hair, I mean, utter perfection.
	But then, when she sits down for the Voight-Kampff test, when she is being, you know, analyzed for being an android, her movements, just the way she lights the cigarette, it's like a robot.
	It's so controlled, the flame, the cigarette.
	You know, this woman was 22 when she made this film.
	Harrison was 42.
	You gotta give her credit, Chris.
	I mean, as an actor, impressive, right?
	Not just... I mean, it's... There were several actors that sort of embodied this concept of, like, being slightly different, slightly off.
	I would say every one of the androids did this.
	Perfectly.
	And her character was more elegant than a normal woman would be.
	And I would say having dated a lot of Russian girls, I have dated very similar women to this.
	Are you sure they weren't Nexus 6?
	No, I am not sure.
	It's quite possible.
	But yeah, I don't know.
	She embodied exactly whatever it was that needed to be portrayed on film.
	You know, because the weird thing is you look in hindsight in a movie and you say, oh, I would have done this differently.
	I would have done that differently or whatever.
	Sometimes it's very hard in the moment to understand exactly how something's going to come across.
	Yeah.
	And this film, it almost seems like how could they possibly know that this was the perfect way to present this or, you know, in this case, how would she know it was exactly the perfect way to present this character?
	And she just did.
	I don't know how she did it.
	I honestly don't know how she did it.
	It's just like, sometimes you just throw something out there and it works, you know?
	And on the flip side, so she's very robotic, very controlled, kind of porcelain like a china doll, but later on when they're talking about her implanted memories and Tyrell's niece, She can do emotion as well.
	Rachel Young at 22.
	That line, I mean, it's also the writhing, Chris.
	But when he says, it's not part of the business, and she says, I am the business.
	I mean, that line is just perfectly delivered.
	I mean, you're the actor.
	You tell me.
	No, yeah.
	Well, it's a profound line as well, right?
	Because she's saying she's the business.
	She's, you know, he's got to kill her, right?
	Right.
	And so she knows that he's going to do that, or at least that's what he's supposed to do.
	The moment that she finds out for sure that she's an android and that, you know, single tear comes down her cheek, you know, she does that also perfectly.
	Like, she's trying to control her motion, but she can't.
	What's really weird about this movie is you've got a great story, really truly a great story.
	You've got a fantastic world, as I've said, and very stylized, and yet these things seem to work well together.
	But then you've got something extra on top of that, and I mentioned it before.
	You have a sort of philosophical theme to this film that is a philosophical theme that's timeless, right?
	which is the idea that we have a sort of finite amount of time in this world, and you have to do something with it, right?
	And it is an incredibly profound thing to have to think about, to ever have to think about in your life.
	We try to avoid thinking about it because, you know, that would be very depressing if we kept thinking about how we were going to die all the time, right?
	But you're faced with it in this film constantly because they've only got four years.
	And, you know, when she's talking about that and when she's talking about all the, you know, how he's supposed to kill her and stuff like that, I normally don't really care about movies that go into a deep philosophical thought about androids because androids to me are like toasters.
	You know, they don't really, they don't, they're just objects that, that, that seem to be human, but they're not.
	It's a simulation.
	It's a machine that's simulating.
	It's, it's like a video game or something.
	You shouldn't get too attached to a video game character.
	I mean, you can temporarily, or, you know, movie character.
	They do such a good job of this in this movie that it almost feels like, you know, you maybe do want to ask that question.
	Do these androids have souls?
	Well, I mean, this is the deeper... It's not really banged over the head, as the audience member, but the deeper theme here is, what does it mean to be human?
	And Rutger Hauer, before he passed, gave an interview where he said, the androids were all amazing characters, and the Deckard character is such a dumb character.
	He's so stupid, he gets a gun put to his head, and then he Fs the washing machine.
	He falls in love with the washing machine.
	I mean, that's Rutger Hauer, but there's something to it.
	I mean, the weakest character in it is the guy who is the protagonist.
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	Deckard.
	Just the way she walks is like a robot.
	An elegant robot.
	Not a C-3PO, just beautiful performance.
	But in the background, what do we hear?
	Vangelis.
	Let's talk about the music.
	Without the music, this would be half the movie, would it not, Chris?
	You know what's odd?
	I did notice the music when I was watching it because it was something that I thought, this inspired a lot of 80s music.
	This inspired a lot of the kinds of music that you would hear in films.
	What's odd about this movie, the music, the setting, it was all copied.
	You can see the influences in so many other projects.
	And, you know, actually at one point I'm watching this movie and I'm thinking, This movie may have messed up other projects a little bit.
	Really.
	Why?
	Because it's too influential?
	Well, it's so ambitious.
	It does so many things that shouldn't work, but do, right?
	There are things in this film that I would say, if you told me that you wanted to make a movie like this, I would say, No, that's going to be terrible.
	You're not going to be able to do that well enough for that to be pulled off, right?
	But because they're able to pull it off, it's sort of like a beautiful woman wearing a bizarre-looking bit of fashion.
	She can pull it off, but then you get regular folks wearing it, and it looks terrible.
	And I notice this happens sometimes in fashion where, like, super beautiful women will wear particularly weird, like, you remember the onesie trend?
	Everybody's wearing a onesie?
	Yeah.
	I had a girl in L.A., I had a friend in L.A., she was a model, and she used to wear this onesie all the time.
	She looked amazing.
	She looked super cute.
	And then I would see these other girls wearing it and they look just like, you know, they look like homeless people and say, OK, you cannot wear the onesie, doesn't work.
	And I feel like in the 80s, there were so many movies that were influenced by Blade Runner, but couldn't do it to that caliber.
	And, you know, you take something as stylized as this and it's such a hard thing to pull off.
	There's nothing.
	The music is part of that.
	There's so much layering here.
	I remember watching a documentary where the designer said, you know, they had parking meters, because this was all filmed outside at night time on the back lot, they put in parking meters and they had multiple layers of Decals, credit card slots, LCD readouts on the parking meter, which you never see.
	You never even see it in the movie.
	But they spent hours and hours and how much money putting the details.
	There's so many layers here.
	And the weird thing is, just to concur with what you're saying, you never go, well, that's a crappy thing, or that doesn't fit, or that kind of.
	There's no moment where you say, that's hinky, right?
	No, no, no, no.
	And I mean, just look, like, who would have thought, let's give her a transparent plastic jacket so that when he shoots her, you can see the blood explode inside the jacket.
	I mean, just, I mean, the planning that must have gone into this film is just, like, unlike anything I've ever seen.
	Now, do you know the story of this scene here?
	The woman you're seeing right now is a stunt woman, okay?
	And they put a really bad wig on her, and you could see it wasn't her face.
	So for the final cut, they brought the actress back.
	They brought Joanne Cassidy back 20, 30 years later.
	filmed her face and CGI'd it back onto the stuntwoman so they could fix it 40 years later.
	And they did the same thing with Harrison Ford when he goes to Ben Hassan's fake snake shop.
	In the original cut, I think you saw the theatrical one, through the window you see his lip movements and the lip movements don't match the sound of the dialogue.
	I did notice that and I thought it was weird.
	Yes.
	I didn't notice her face.
	I didn't notice her face.
	So watch the final cut and it's all fixed and you're going, how did they fix Harrison Ford's lips 40 years later?
	They brought his son in who looks like Harrison, did a 360 computer scan and imposed his lips and face onto Harrison and that's how they fixed it.
	Forget what George Lucas did to Star Wars.
	George, you screwed the pooch on that one.
	This is how you fix it in real movies.
	Alright, we are talking to our buddy Chris Coles.
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	All right, bump in, little people.
	I need you, Dex.
	This is a bad one.
	The worst yet.
	I need the old Blade Runner.
	I need your magic.
	You must quit when I come in here, Brian.
	I'm twice as quick now.
	Stop right where you are!
	Do you know the score, pal?
	You're not cop, you're little people.
	No choice.
	You're not cop, you're little people.
	That's Captain Bryant's office built inside Union Station in LA, where they made a deal with the railway station that they would have to build that hold office and the station gets to keep it.
	It is today one of the ticket booths in the Union Station in LA.
	If you're into Blade Runner, go and see it.
	I've seen it.
	It's there.
	It's real.
	Let's talk about the rest of the cast.
	Emmett Walsh, Byron James.
	I think this must have been her first or second movie.
	You look at Pris and Daryl Hannah.
	As an actor, talk to me about these performances.
	Yeah, I mean, it's similar to what I said about the last couple of films.
	There is this sort of cavalier nature to the way that people talk.
	I know this is kind of supposed to be this stylized film noir, but everything does come across as naturalistic, and it's, you know, in a way that they don't really act, and people don't really act this way anymore.
	And I really loved it.
	I especially loved when the cop was going through the list of androids that he has to kill.
	I mean, just the way that he talks about it is... I felt like it was real, like I was really, you know, I was really there.
	This is a real life thing.
	These guys are, you know, who they are pretending to be.
	And I don't know, I don't know how they cast this so unbelievably well.
	Rutger Hauer, like, how do you tell people, okay, act a little bit unnatural like an android?
	But don't overdo it, but don't overdo it.
	Yeah, yeah, just so subtly that people get the hint that there's something a little bit off.
	But, you know, and this guy, he was in like everything in the 80s, like being a psycho.
	You know, he just he pulls off that weird.
	I think there's something about in the 1980s, there was something about how they figured out that, like, OK, let's cast normal looking folks to be the good guys.
	And let's cast people that are a bit off looking to be the bad guys.
	And now it's sort of reversed.
	They're like, oh, the good guys are all the like weird looking folks.
	And the bad guys are all like the very handsome, attractive people.
	They kind of messed it up in our world, you know, in our current time, you know, Hollywood.
	I think Harrison Ford, you know, I wouldn't have thought Harrison Ford would be a good choice just because he was so famous from Star Wars.
	This moment here with the blood in the glass.
	I'm sorry!
	I'm sorry!
	What a subtle thing!
	What an amazing moment!
	You're holding a little bit of fake blood in your mouth, you've got it lit by Cronenworth so perfectly that you can actually pick it up, and you just suddenly let that blood trickle into the spirit glass.
	I mean, that moment!
	Yeah, that was consciously designed.
	When you talk about Rutger Hauer and the little quirky moments, it must have been awful for my son because every three seconds I was, you know, prompting something and saying, watch this, watch this, or I was saying the lines back.
	At the end, when Rutger's hunting him and he's looking out of the window and, you know, Deckard's hanging off the ceiling as soon as just as before he comes back in he does this weird thing where he's his head is caught sideways like an animal he closes his eyes and then he whips his head back in and it's just like it's perfection this he's a human but he has this this half quarter of a second of animalistic muscle movement and it's just stunning Chris
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	All the performances are perfect.
	The casting is all perfect.
	I was going to say, with Harrison Ford, Harrison Ford doesn't look like a cool 80s guy, actually.
	Harrison Ford has a timeless quality to him.
	This is why he works as Indiana Jones.
	Because he looks like he could be from the 30s or 40s.
	And he also looks like he could be a space pirate.
	I mean, he's got this timeless look that works so perfectly.
	He's not like the most handsome guy in the room, but he does have this sort of rugged handsomeness.
	And he's just almost like an everyman.
	He's universal.
	Now, what do you think, as an actor who's been on sets, who's worked on sets and had to, you know, hurry up and wait, you know, it's very clear if you listen to the interviews with Ridley.
	Harrison Ford is a dick.
	I mean, let's play a little cut.
	This is from our buddy Razorfist's documentary.
	We'll talk about it in a second.
	But this is Harrison Ford on having disagreements with the director.
	This is his commitment to the art form.
	Play cut.
	There's a part of you that wants to be totally in sync with the director's ambition.
	And then there's a perverse part of you that says it doesn't really matter.
	What matters is being there and it's just a movie.
	Let him worry about it.
	So we had to beep it out there.
	Harrison Ford, he's always like this in interviews.
	He actually said, F it, it's just a movie.
	Let the director work it out.
	I mean, they hated each other because Ridley would take six hours to set up a shot.
	Harrison was waiting for direction like he got from Spielberg and Lucas.
	Do you think the fact that there was such animosity between them actually played into the success of this nouvelle noir?
	No, I don't think so.
	I don't think that you need to have an antagonistic relationship on set.
	I don't think that would necessarily help.
	Uh, I don't think you need to be best friends either.
	I think that, um, there are some actors that they're just, their charisma is so strong.
	Uh, you know, the way that they look, the way that they sound like Harrison Ford's voice.
	It's an iconic voice.
	The way he talks is brilliant.
	And he's got this kind of everyman look, and that combination I think is really powerful.
	Anything that he's in, you're going to enjoy his performance.
	And like I said, there's this cavalier nature to the way he acts.
	At the end of the day, really all he does need to do is show up.
	Just say the lines.
	When I first started acting, I was living with this Australian guy, and he had studied acting For theater because his parents owned an actual like drama theater in Australia.
	And I would talk to him about how to do voiceover work.
	And we went through and I explained to him this idea that like, uh, you know, I don't, when I'm doing auditions, I don't go in and my, my theory isn't, Oh, I'm going to go in and I'm going to be this character where I'm going to like perform.
	I'm just going to say the lines as if I were there in that circumstance myself.
	And that's it.
	Like, how would I respond?
	Like, if I'm with this girl and, you know, I'm in love with her... So you play Chris.
	You put Chris into that environment.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I just play... I just be myself, really.
	And then we'll see how it goes.
	And I would get a lot more roles than a lot of my friends who would push it and try to be something and try to do something and try too hard.
	You know, and there's an authenticity to just being yourself in a situation.
	Just imagine yourself in that situation, then how would I act?
	How would I stutter?
	Here's a trick for acting, guys.
	Look away from who you're talking to.
	Don't always stare at them constantly.
	You know, I'm not always looking at camera.
	I'm not always looking at you when I'm talking.
	A lot of times I'm looking over here thinking about something and then I look back, right?
	Or if you say something to me, like if you say something, if you say, hi, how you doing?
	And I say, yeah, I'm doing good.
	It seems unnatural.
	But if you say, hi, how you're doing?
	I look away for a second.
	I look back.
	I'm like, yeah, I'm all right.
	It looks like I thought about it, right?
	So just looking away from people is such a simple trick because we do it in real life.
	So just do what you do in real life and just do it in front of the camera.
	Come on, guys.
	Pay attention.
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	All right, let's... a couple of things I still want to talk about.
	I think this is maybe her first movie or second movie.
	I don't know when Splash came out.
	Daryl Hannah, you're talking about this combination of naturalistic.
	Oh, by the way, the naturalism, I think the best naturalism is when Deckard is pretending to be from the Confidential Committee for Moral Abuses.
	He puts on that geeky, squeaky voice and he's enjoying Cassidy's dressing room and she's getting naked.
	Her acting style with him I mean, that's a real person who's just pissed off and suspicious.
	You can't detect any acting there.
	Joanne Cassidy is just... It's just that, you know, she's in that environment and she's reacting.
	And what's weird is that she is actually one of the androids.
	Yeah, right!
	But she acts more human than a normal human you would expect in a movie.
	So much so that I didn't even... I wasn't ready for the moment that she turned out to be an android.
	Right.
	I thought he was going to her to find out, you know, who the android girl is.
	I didn't realize it was her until she attacked him.
	And she like punches him in the neck or something like that.
	In the throat!
	Right in the throat!
	Yeah, right in the throat.
	It's so good.
	Such a good moment.
	And yeah, and you don't notice it because you're paying attention to something else about her in the very moment that she hits him.
	So your attention is completely focused on that if you're a guy.
	Probably if you're a girl too.
	And then, boom, you're like, whoa, wait, what's going on?
	You're like, it's crazy.
	It's so smart how they did that scene.
	Let's talk about the other female.
	There was actually a third female android written into the script, Mary.
	That's why they talk about six replicants at the beginning, and then there's only actually five.
	They had to write her out of the movie because they basically ran out of money.
	All right, so Splash was two years after this.
	This was only her third movie.
	Let's talk about Daryl Hannah.
	Darryl Hannah, when she's interacting with J.F.
	Sebastian, William Sanderson, it's perhaps one of the most chilling characters in the movie.
	Because she switches on and off, she switches on the friendly little girl that he's bumped into with the psycho killer when he looks away and the eyes change and the expression, just watching her eyes in that interaction with J.F.
	Sebastian, gotta say that is some very serious acting there.
	Oh yeah, that flip.
	So she's being flirtatious, she's being vulnerable, and he obviously is the kind of... I mean, his acting is actually fantastic.
	I mean, he's the kind of guy you would expect.
	Oh wow like you know I can help this girl out I got a little bit of a break here like she's a beautiful woman and yeah that that that is such a perfect turn where she's smiling and happy and then just and then he looks away he looks away and then all emotion drains from her face and she looks like a coal stone killer yeah yeah it you know it makes sense that she kind of became One of, if not the most, sort of iconic, beautiful girl of the 80s.
	Like, she became one of these girls that was cast just for being phenomenally beautiful.
	But she had this voice and this attitude that was so feminine.
	I mean, she was just unbelievably feminine.
	And I don't think you get that today anymore.
	They don't really want to cast feminine women.
	But yeah, she had this vulnerability that made her eminently watchable.
	And she's in so many great, great films in the 80s because of this.
	Alright, we have to spend some time on the man who steals the show utterly, Rutger, the Dutch theatre actor.
	Big, big, big name in Holland, before Blade Runner anyway.
	My son said to me, For him, so there's many ways to slice this onion.
	So first things first, this is based on Philip K. Dick's novel, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
	Read the book.
	It's very different.
	Deckard is married.
	He's not a replicant.
	Absolutely not a replicant.
	It has, you know, Roy Batty is a little character in the novel.
	He's basically a thug, a gang leader.
	This is the man behind amazing stories, Total Recall and many, many others.
	The man in the high tower, so forth.
	Roy, my son said, well, you can look at this movie and talk about what it means to be a human.
	The original book was about the humanization of a man whose job it is to kill things that look like human beings, right?
	Ridley Scott Didn't really want to do the intellectual book that was Philip K. Dick's.
	He summarized it in a sentence.
	This is a story about a hunter falling in love with the hunted.
	Kind of simplistic, but, you know, he's the director, he gets to do that.
	And then my son says, this scene, oh my gosh, Eric, you are a flipping mind reader.
	This scene between Joe Turkel, between Tyrell, And Roy Batty, the leader of the Nexus Six.
	My son said, this whole movie is about the father-son relationship.
	It is about a weak father who has given birth to a much more powerful son.
	The son comes back, this is a permutation of the prodigal son, and the weak father is trying to manipulate the son here, not to kill him, to lure him on with, you have done Such marvelous things, a rebel in your time, appeal to his ego, but it's not enough.
	The son wants more.
	I want life.
	And then he kills him.
	There are so many ways to look at this film, aren't there, Chris?
	You know, this was such a powerful part of the movie.
	You know, like you said, father-son relationship, but also the senseless murder of the father because, you know, he didn't – he obviously doesn't care for his creations in the same way that, you know, a normal father would care about their children.
	And that is, you know, we talk about this a lot in politics, about how Children will become disturbed, messed up, criminal, whatever, without a good father.
	A good father is absolutely critical to raising any child.
	And you can see the vulnerability in this android, which is crazy.
	This was Nexus 6, right?
	This was the sort of ultimate creation.
	This was a creation that was the most human possible.
	More human than human.
	More human than human.
	And Rachel as well.
	Rachel was a more advanced android.
	What's interesting, there's a moment when Daryl Hannah's character says... They've killed off everybody but the two of them.
	Daryl Hannah and Roy.
	And she says, oh, we're going to die.
	We're not intelligent enough.
	No, no, no.
	She said, we're stupid and then we'll die.
	We're stupid.
	And we'll die yeah we're stupid and we'll die and he and he said and he kind of like looks at her like no because he's not stupid actually he's he's he's a level above the rest of them so you get the sense that he's that this uh puppet master has created all these unintelligent puppets and you think about Human beings.
	And who are the human beings that are actually the most emotional, the most animalistic?
	It's human beings with a low IQ.
	If you have a low IQ, if you have like a low level of intelligence, you react emotionally to things.
	If you have a high level of intelligence, like the super high level, like Einstein types, you're actually more robotic, which is weird.
	You become less human as you get more intelligent.
	It's very strange.
	But in this, it's almost kind of the same, right?
	This guy is, he's so smart, he's able to be philosophical, and like you say, he becomes more human than human, but he's only got a finite amount of time in this world, and so you know what he wants?
	He wants life.
	That's his goal.
	He cannot get it, and it is a tragic ending.
	It's actually, I would say this movie, in that sense, is a tragedy.
	There's two stories.
	There's the tragedy of the villain, And there's the, I guess, redemption of the hero.
	He has his, you know, he's redeemed in the end, and he gets to sort of escape the life with the woman that he loves.
	Let's put a couple of the images up that I sent you this morning, Eric.
	So I wanted to save this for later, but let's just talk about it.
	So let's talk about the Ark of Roy Batty.
	This last scene on the rooftop, I mean, these images are just...
	These could be paintings.
	The close-up, the emphasis on death, on life, on... This one I played with a little bit to make it look like a painting.
	This is the iconic picture of Deckard just about to fall off the top of the building.
	The constant Christ-like imagery, He's in the elevator coming down from Tyrell's.
	He looks up and he's almost in a crucifix form.
	Then as his body is closing down, because it's getting to the end of his four-year lifespan, and he pushes the nail through his hand, of course a direct reference to the crucifixion.
	And then at the end, this is a man who wants life.
	And then where does he find meaning?
	He finds meaning in not killing the person who's been hunting him and saving the life of the person whose job it is to kill him.
	So all of this stuff sounds so heavy, so convoluted, a little bit tropey, but The way it's handled in the film is it just it doesn't it doesn't hit you in waves it's not unsubtle and then to find out that the the tears in rain speech will play in a second was written by Rutger Hauer in his trailer in the lunch break before it filmed because He'd been given a lot of Technobabble stuff to read about spaceships.
	And he said in the interview, I just put a knife through this.
	I said, this is crap.
	Hey, Ridders, can I write it?
	And the guy was a bit of a poet and playwright himself.
	And then he writes these lines.
	Let's play probably the most famous speech in all science fiction movies.
	I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
	Attack ships on fire off the shore of the line.
	I watched sea beans glittering in the dark and in the ten hours again.
	All those moments will be lost in time.
	And like tears in rain.
	Time to die.
	I'm sorry.
	Beyond the writing, Chris, the delivery, that momentary cough, like tears in rain, the pace, which is an unusually slow pace, but it's not an irritatingly slow pace.
	Let's hear it for Rutger.
	Honestly, like, what brilliant casting.
	I mean, that guy, I mean, I didn't realize he had written that part of the film.
	And it's, like you said, it's one of the most iconic lines in the film, maybe in all sci-fi movie history.
	You know, I've heard it even before I watched this.
	I obviously had heard that.
	And he delivers it beautifully.
	He wrote it himself.
	I mean, you can't get better than that when you hire somebody, right?
	He's bringing in...
	But, you know, there's something very enigmatic about his story, right?
	I say it's a tragedy, but he also has a redemption story as well, right?
	He makes the decision at the end to save Dekker as opposed to letting him fall or to kill him, even though he's his nemesis and he's killed his, you know, the woman he loves and everything.
	He saves him.
	He preserves the life that he can't keep himself.
	He still preserves some semblance of life.
	And that one redemptive moment I think is the same kind of redemptive moment that we need as human beings just generally.
	So it's a universal message.
	And then there's a moment where he dies and the dove is released.
	And I look at that, and this is kind of like a little bit weird, but I look at that as almost like, you know, his soul leaving his body.
	Wow.
	He was not just an android.
	I like that.
	You know, he was a man in a way.
	He was a man in a way.
	And this was so going to happen.
	Or he had become a man.
	Exactly.
	It's like a Pinocchio story.
	Yeah, I didn't think about that until this moment.
	But yeah, that was like the soul leaving the body, and he maybe did get what he wanted in a way.
	He got to live on, maybe in some kind of supernatural sense, because he was more than just an android, you know?
	Amazing stuff.
	Amazing stuff.
	All right, anything we've left out that you want to share with me, given that last night was the first time you saw it in one piece?
	Well, I will say that I wouldn't think that this film would work.
	Like I say, there was so much that was mysterious about the story of this villain.
	And there was so much that was referenced in the film that wasn't explained explicitly.
	And I would say this would be difficult for an audience to understand upon first watching it.
	It's just so much at once, right?
	Such a profound experience to watch this film.
	But I think sometimes that works really well for films, and I think that it works so well in this film that may be better than any film I've seen, and partially that's because of the stylized nature of the movie, the stylized nature of some of this acting, like the way Rutger Hauer acts as a human but also as an android, and it just It gives you an opportunity to think about profound questions and also just think about what this story meant and try to interpret what's going on.
	And so sometimes a little bit of mystery actually works and is helpful in a story.
	And I think that this film does that better than anything I've ever watched.
	One of the few meaningful things that Harrison Ford said in one of the few seconds of any interview which he took seriously, he said about Blade Runner, he said, I'm good with ambiguity.
	Ambiguity can be good sometimes.
	And you don't have to explain everything, do you, Chris?
	You don't have to explain everything in a story.
	That's right.
	It's absolutely right.
	And like I said, they do it better here than anything I've ever seen.
	All right.
	All right, guys.
	We've talked about the movie enough.
	No, we haven't.
	But we're running out of time.
	Let's have a little last cut from Roy Batty, where he turns it on and it's morbid humor.
	I'm going to play cut.
	Not very sporty to fire on the non-arm opponent.
	I thought you were supposed to be good.
	Aren't you the good man?
	Come on, Decker.
	Show me what you're made of.
	Iconic gun.
	I have one of them up here.
	You can, if you could show the camera.
	Can you pan up there?
	You probably can't even see it.
	I have my Blade Runner handgun.
	Let me get it right there.
	So we've got it in, he got it in the studio.
	I get chills watching that.
	I must have seen that 200 times.
	I mean, seeing him say, not very sporting, shooting an unarmed man.
	And then Deckard's like walking along the wall.
	And that line.
	He's like a cat playing with a mouse.
	Yeah.
	Oh, utterly.
	You know, the laser for the cat.
	And then that line, if there's anything that's, you know, overtly philosophical in the movie, it's only that line.
	I thought you were the good man.
	Aren't you supposed to be the good man?
	Alright, let's ask the question.
	What is Deckard as far as you're concerned?
	Is he another robot?
	Is he a replicant?
	Is he a Nexus 6?
	This argument has raged for a long time until a recent article we'll show in a moment talked to us about the identity of the protagonist.
	Now, I had heard before seeing the film that there was some speculation or it was revealed at some point that Decker was in fact one of these replicants, one of these androids, and so I went into the movie thinking that.
	By the end of the film, I thought, well, no, he isn't.
	I don't know how that rumor got started.
	She asks him as a sort of philosophical question, did you test yourself on this thing?
	Which presents the question, but there's no indication whatsoever throughout the film that he is, and also since she's the most advanced version and she's a test subject to see if you could fool a replicant into thinking that they had memories.
	You know, Decker's been around for years, right?
	He wouldn't have been that advanced and he wouldn't have undergone such an experiment.
	Well, we don't know.
	We don't know.
	You've grown out of a test tube last week, we don't know.
	True, that's true.
	I think that he's human, that's my take on it.
	Your take's more interesting though, because you saw this when you were young, and you say this is your favorite film of all time.
	So I'm wondering, really, I think it's important to talk about the impact that it had on you when you first saw this and what you thought.
	Thank you, that's very kind.
	I have a very strange relationship with this movie, so it is my favorite movie of all time.
	Although I'm hugely into Raiders, Star Wars, I'm a sci-fi geek.
	The greatest film ever made is Casablanca, but my favorite movie is Blade Runner.
	And it's peculiar, it's a relationship that's at a kind of...
	It's at an intuitive level.
	It's visceral.
	I don't have to think about it.
	There are other movies that get me super pumped, you know, if I'm watching Rambo or Rocky or whatever.
	There are other movies that are just... I marvel in the witticism of the scriptwriting, like Casablanca.
	Here, I don't have to think about it.
	Maybe it's because I was immersed in it.
	From such an early age.
	I'm just... It's part of my childhood.
	You know, Blade Runner is...
	I just relate.
	I just, I love this world.
	I don't think about, I don't sit down.
	I'm not that kind of guy.
	I mean, I studied philosophy and theology in college, but I don't sit down and ponder the philosophical meaning of that line from Rutger Hauer, Are you the good man?
	I don't sit down for two hours and then, you know, ruminate on that.
	I just say, wow, you know, and then I move on to the cat and mouse chase scene.
	For me, it's a kind of unthinking.
	It's like a good friend.
	I don't analyze my relationship with a good friend.
	I'm just comfortable when I pick up the phone or when he walks through the door.
	A good friend is there.
	For me, Blade Runner is a good friend.
	Now, let's talk about Rick Deckard's identity, because we have to.
	We're talking about Blade Runner.
	In the book, he's not.
	In the book, he's a human being with a crappy life, with a crappy marriage.
	He's saving up to buy a goat, a real goat.
	He can't afford a real one yet.
	He's buying a robot goat.
	His animals are mostly extinct.
	Yeah, animals have been extinct because of the wars and the acid rain.
	It was very environmental.
	The original script was much more about the environmental message.
	That was Fanch's big thing.
	And the original script played in one room.
	It played in an apartment.
	It was like a theater play.
	And then Ridley asked the question, what's outside the window?
	And as soon as he asked that question, they had to build this massive universe.
	And that was Ridley Scott's contribution.
	So in the movie...
	He's an android.
	Why?
	Because of two... Oh, you think so?
	No, no, it's a fact.
	I mean Ridley Scott has said this.
	He said this.
	Let's put up the BBC interview.
	So this was from 22 years ago.
	Blade Runner riddle solved.
	Ridley Scott said, of course he's a flipping android because I gave you two massive clues in the movie.
	Number one, the dream sequence when he falls asleep.
	On the piano.
	What does he dream of?
	He dreams of a unicorn.
	And then as they're escaping the apartment, what does he find on the floor?
	An origami unicorn made by Gaff.
	Now how the hell does the partner of the Blade Runner know what he is dreaming about unless that dream was implanted, right?
	So clue number one.
	I didn't hear a unicorn.
	I thought he said he was dreaming of music.
	I misunderstood the line.
	Oh, OK.
	So he said that.
	He said that.
	No, no, sorry.
	You're absolutely right.
	But there's five versions of the movie.
	The first director's cut injects a scene of a unicorn as he's dreaming, falling asleep on the piano.
	So you actually see a unicorn running through a forest, OK?
	In the original theatrical release, that's not in there.
	And then, but I do believe in the theatrical release, you have to go back and see it.
	After Rachel saves Deckard, and they're at the apartment, and she asks him, would you come after me if I went north?
	And he said, no I wouldn't, somebody would.
	He walks around her and you see his irises glow.
	So just like Rachel's irises, just like Roy Batty's with the scene with Tyrell, you see that iris.
	Now, Harrison Ford said, oh, that was just an accident.
	That was just, I got into Shawn Young's light.
	No, no, sorry.
	Ridley Scott doesn't have an iris flare by accident.
	He's the ultimate visual perfectionist.
	So Harrison, shut up, OK?
	So Harrison Ford thinks that he's human.
	Everyone except Ridley Scott.
	Emmett Walsh, the captain, the original author, Harrison Ford.
	Everybody says he's a human.
	And so does Rutger Hauer.
	Because Rutger Hauer, you've got to watch it.
	I'll send you the link to Rutger Hauer.
	There's no arc.
	There's no arc for Deckard if he's an android.
	The whole arc, the whole redemption arc is he's a soulless human being whose job it is to kill people who, you know, androids that look almost absolutely human, and then he finally is saved by an android who sees value in his life and he runs away with one of them.
	If he's just another, if he's another washing machine shooting washing machines, there's no arc.
	Yeah, I agree with everyone except for Ridley Scott.
	I think Ridley Scott is wrong about his own movie.
	That's alright.
	Look, it's his choice, he's the director, but at the end of the day, from the point of view of Are we even supposed to say this meaning in the movie?
	There's no meaning to his character if he's just another android.
	Bottom line.
	Yeah, I like the first theatrical release where there is no linking of the unicorn and there's, you know...
	I think I prefer to believe that he's not an android and and it is in the novel that he's a he's a human human being yeah all right guys your homework is to oh to do this watch days dangerous days is the documentary it's available online it's the name of the original script by Hampton Fancher dangerous days it's a fun documentary this is even better this is the
	Future Noir the making of Blade Runner by Paul Salmon an amazing book amazing book for all you sci-fi geeks and then our other buddy Razor Fist has an incredible hour 10 if you if you want to understand the creation of a new genre the
	Nouvelle Noire and the significance Blade Runner had on influencing literally hundreds of movies, video games, you name it.
	Rageaholic on YouTube, his documentary Film Noire Cives.
	Film Noire Cives.
	Blade Runner is a must watch.
	All right, are you satisfied, would you say, at least in the top five, top ten?
	Where would you rank this movie that you just saw for the first time fully last night?
	Well, I would have to spend some time digesting it, but for me specifically, this was a great film.
	I can see why other people might not like it, right?
	It is incredibly stylized.
	It's weird, right?
	That's one thing about this movie that's interesting.
	It's got such a lot of weird elements, but they work really well, and I'm very impressed by that.
	I personally like a lot of the elements.
	Like I said, I was a big fan of Hugh Ferris drawings when I was like in college.
	And this draws from that inspiration.
	I like the 1930s film noir art deco look.
	I like everything about this movie.
	So it's, for me personally, it's a great film.
	For other people, I could see why they maybe wouldn't like it.
	But no, I think this is very powerful, brilliant, and I can understand why so many other projects copied it.
	Yeah, for me, I love it.
	I'm very, very... I'm so happy we do this show and I can... I have the pleasure of watching things like this.
	So much fun, so much fun.
	Now, did you choose this or did I choose this?
	You chose this, right?
	You chose it.
	I chose it?
	You chose it.
	Alright.
	Yeah, because I never saw it before.
	Okay, so it's your choice.
	What are we doing next, dude?
	Alright, we're gonna have to go back in time a little bit.
	A little bit.
	A few years back, we're gonna go back to the, what I would consider to be one of the greatest underdog stories of all time, Rocky.
	The very first Rocky movie.
	We gotta see Rocky.
	You mentioned it earlier and it was on my list in my brain.
	So I was like, okay, you know, we'll just do, we'll just do Rocky.
	I just watched, we just came across it, uh, you know, streaming and my, my wife sat down with me to watch the, um, what is it?
	Rocky four with Dolph Lugren.
	The Rocky four.
	We just watched that.
	So slightly different.
	Slightly different version.
	A little bit more popcorn fantasy.
	But the training sequence in Siberia is a classic of 80s movie making.
	But we're going to go OG.
	We're going to go back to see Adrian!
	We're going to see Burgess Meredith.
	Oh my gosh, do I miss Burgess Meredith, the original Rocky.
	What a great choice.
	Are you ready guys?
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