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Jan. 26, 2023 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Project Veritas expose on Pfizer's COVID mutation

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	�� Pfizer ultimately is thinking about mutating COVID.
	Well, that's not what we say to the public.
	No.
	Don't tell anyone that's going to happen.
	We're exploring, like, you know how the virus keeps mutating?
	Yeah.
	Well, one of the things we're exploring is, like, why don't we just mutate ourselves so we could potentially develop new vaccines, right?
	So we have to do that.
	If we're going to do that, though, there's a risk of, like, as you could imagine, no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating COVID.
	It's going to be very controlled to make sure that the virus that you use doesn't create something like, you know, it goes everywhere.
	Something crazy.
	It's the way that the virus started and moved around.
	To be honest, it makes no sense if this virus popped out of nowhere.
	Yeah, I know.
	That's Jordan Tristan Walker, head director of research and development for mRNA research at Pfizer.
	Pfizer caught on a covertly filmed video by the team at Project Veritas.
	Last night I was on Twitter Spaces for several hours reacting to that breaking news.
	If you didn't hear it, and we'll play it again in a moment, what that man has admitted in that covertly, it was in a restaurant, usually this is how they're done, you know, Project Veritas finds somebody who gets close to these individuals to find the corruption, the truth behind the scenes.
	This individual clearly has had a little bit too much to drink.
	Does it undermine the veracity of what he says?
	It doesn't matter.
	Pfizer has switched off comments on their social media pages.
	I wonder why.
	Because in that clip he says that Pfizer, as the director of strategic research for MRNA at Pfizer, they They are mutating the virus.
	They are developing mutated versions of COVID-19 to research more vaccines.
	And he laughs about how dangerous that is!
	Let's play it again.
	Play calm.
	Pfizer ultimately is thinking about mutating COVID?
	Well, that's not what we say to the public.
	No.
	Don't tell anyone that's going to happen.
	We're exploring, like, you know how the virus keeps mutating?
	Yeah.
	Well, one of the things we're exploring is, like, why don't we just mutate it ourselves so we can create and develop new vaccines, right?
	So we have to do that.
	If we're going to do that, though, there's a risk of, like, as you could imagine, no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating the virus.
	Did you catch what he said at the end there?
	that the virus that you mutate doesn't create something like, you know, it goes everywhere. - Something crazy. - Which I suspect is the way that the virus started in Wuhan, to be honest.
	Like it makes no sense if this virus would pop out of nowhere.
	- Yeah, I know. - Did you catch what he said at the end there?
	There's no way this virus popped out of nowhere out of Wuhan, meaning they were mutating it as well.
	And it's not what we're telling the public that we're doing this, but we have to quote preemptively prepare new vaccines.
	Why would you be preparing vaccines for mutated versions that you secretly created?
	Was he too drunk?
	Was he trying to impress somebody?
	There's one person on this team who has a cynical Way of analyzing everything that is pretty sound politically.
	He is old before his time.
	His name is Mr. G. Jeff, you've seen the whole video.
	What's your take?
	Is this as big as Project Veritas says?
	Can we take this to the bank?
	Is this going to cause collapse for Pfizer?
	What's Mr. G's take?
	I'd say it's probably 90% accurate.
	He could be lying, he could be showing off, but probably not.
	And it went on for a long time, too.
	And then what do you think the ramifications could be for Pfizer?
	Uh, nothing.
	I mean, look at the past.
	Yeah, because they just have too much money and too many lawyers.
	Exactly.
	They'll just ignore it and they'll just try to not talk about it.
	All right, let's talk about another political topic, not quite as deadly as COVID, but it is the future of the nation.
	Eric, what's happening tomorrow with regards to the Grand Old Party?
	Tomorrow is the day that the RNC, the Republican National Committee, comes together to decide whether or not to re-elect Ronna Romney McDaniel for a fourth term, unprecedented, or to boot her out and get some change in there with Harmeet Dhillon.
	And now everything's gonna change because one political actor in the last 24 hours, Eric...
	Has decided to anoint one of the candidates, right?
	Who is it?
	Who is it?
	The alleged new leader of the GOP, Ron DeSantis, issuing an endorsement one day before the election.
	Oh, it's funny that he's doing it less than 24 hours before the election.
	This was on our buddy Charlie Kirk's show.
	It's a kind of weird half-pregnant endorsement.
	This is the Governor of Florida Cut Eleven play cut.
	We've had three substandard election cycles in a row.
	18, 20, and 22.
	And I would say of all three of those, 22 was probably the worst, given the political environment of a very unpopular President Biden.
	Huge majorities of the people think the country's going in the wrong direction.
	That is an environment that's tailor-made to make big gains in the House and the Senate and state houses all across the country.
	And yet that didn't happen.
	And in fact we even lost ground in the U.S.
	Senate.
	And so, you know, I think we need a change.
	I think we need to get some new blood in the RNC.
	I like what Harmeet Dhillon has said about getting the RNC out of DC.
	Why would you want to have your headquarters in the most Democrat city in America?
	It's more Democrat than San Francisco is!
	I'm going to ask a naive question.
	Let's go back to Jeff.
	Jeff, what is the point, even if you are the punitive head, new punitive head of the conservative movement, what is the point of making an endorsement in a race that is this consequential less than 24 hours before the election?
	Here's what my guess is.
	He doesn't take risks.
	He stayed out of the speaker's race.
	The whole special election with Herschel Walker, he didn't do anything about that.
	Where a day before, I think he knows that Harmeet has the votes.
	And that's why he's come out and endorsed her.
	Oh, so that he can ride the wave?
	Yes, because there's a lot of people behind the scenes that are supposedly whipping the votes a no-no.
	So here's something that goes along with that issue, and I give full credit to the person who said this first.
	It's Vince Colonese, WMAL.
	He said this last week for the March for Life.
	Think of this for a second, everybody.
	Just stop and think about this.
	Friday was the march for life in the year that not only sees the 50th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, it's right after we won in the Supreme Court with President Trump's appointees the crushing, the negation, the nullification of Roe v. Wade that resulted in the deaths of more than 63 million children in the last 50 years.
	President Trump, when he was in office, spoke at the March for Life.
	He's the only president to ever do so in office.
	How is it that on last Friday's March for Life, none of the people who want to be president instead of President Trump spoke?
	None of them!
	Even clowns like John Bolton who said, I'm running.
	Even Nikki Haley.
	None of them!
	Rubio didn't.
	Cruz didn't.
	None of them.
	Pompeo didn't.
	Who's that overweight guy from New Jersey?
	Christie.
	Not even Christie.
	How is it?
	That none of them, not one quote-unquote conservative who wants to be president in 2024, had the stones to go and speak at the March for Life like President Trump did.
	Is it maybe because they're not conservatives?
	I'll let you ruminate on that one.
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	Goodbye, snowflake.
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	Here in New York, here in New York, AOC standing in front of a sign that says hashtag asylum is a right.
	Sorry it isn't.
	There's only one problem if you're not watching the show.
	She says here in New York twice.
	Jeff, where was she standing?
	She was standing in front of the Capitol, where she was almost killed, remember, on January 6th, even though she wasn't there.
	You mean the Capitol in New York, right?
	No, no, the one in DC.
	She's in DC and she said here in New York twice?
	Yes, in about 12 seconds.
	What is the explanation?
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	AOC must be very tired.
	She doesn't know what city she's in.
	I don't have any explanation for that one.
	Sorry.
	Too hard.
	I mean, look, I will say that her policy prescription there is totally insane.
	What they're trying to push for is more and more immigration, when right now we need to be talking about reducing the number of people we're bringing into the country because we're hitting record levels of people coming across either seeking the asylum or refugee status or that type of stuff at the Biden border.
	And then that doesn't even mention the people that are just walking across illegally.
	And not to mention the fact that we have record numbers in all the legal immigration avenues, the various visas.
	What we need to be talking about is there's proposals that have been put forward by Senator Tom Cotton, which is called the RAISE Act, which would cut legal immigration in half.
	Legal immigration.
	So we need to stop the flow of illegal immigration 100%.
	But what really needs to be happening is we need to slow the flow.
	We're the most generous nation in the history of the planet.
	We allow in 1 million legal immigrants legally every year.
	That's far too many, especially when there's so many people in our country, veterans, homeless folks, people that are struggling.
	To find employment or move forward and get wage increases if they're lucky enough to get a job.
	We need to get every American back to work.
	When we hit full employment, then we can go back to a million people a year.
	But we're, you know, hopefully we get there with Senator, you know, we're not there right now because you have half of Congress insane like AOC.
	Good, good metrics.
	Let's get jobs for Americans first.
	Let's talk about some of AOC's colleagues.
	Adam Schiff is not happy.
	He went on to tick... Why is Adam Schiff on a platform that is run by the Communist Chinese?
	That in itself is very suspicious, but he's not a happy puppy.
	Cut three, old Schiffy.
	Hello, I'm Congressman Adam Schiff with some troubling news.
	Today, Kevin McCarthy removed me from the House Intelligence Committee, all for doing my job, for holding Trump accountable, and standing up to the extreme MAGA Republicans.
	We knew it would be bad when the Republicans took over, but it's far worse than we expected.
	But I can promise you this, this is not the end of my fight for our democracy.
	This is just the beginning.
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	Thank you.
	I'm confused, Matt.
	Do the Democrats not believe in democracy?
	Republicans won the elections.
	We have the House.
	We have the speakership.
	Nancy didn't even allow Republicans, real Republicans, onto the January 6th committee.
	But Kevin's not allowed to decide who goes on the Intel committee?
	I'm confused.
	The Speaker of the House, the Intel Committee is a special committee because it's a permanent select committee.
	It's not a permanent standing committee.
	A permanent select committee, the Speaker of the House has unilateral say over which members of both parties sit on the committee.
	The minority doesn't have rights in said situation.
	That's just the way it is.
	By the way, it's not like this was unexpected.
	Kevin McCarthy said this in an interview with me that we published over a year ago on Breitbart.
	If we won, that's what he'd do.
	He would do exactly what he's done to Swalwell, Schiff, and Omar.
	And the Omar one is a little more complicated because the Foreign Affairs is a standing committee in the House.
	So the minority does have certain rights.
	So they need to have a vote of the full House to remove her from the Foreign Affairs Committee.
	Now, that resolution is being drafted.
	They're working it through right now.
	They're trying to make sure they have the votes for it before they bring it up.
	But this is not surprising.
	McCarthy made it extremely clear.
	He said so in an interview with me that I taped in December 2021 that we published in January 2022 over a year ago.
	that this is exactly what he would do if he's the Speaker of the House.
	And so it's not surprising.
	What is surprising is that Adam Schiff went onto the platform TikTok, which the United States Congress just banned on all federal government devices.
	He's demonstrating why he was removed from the House Intelligence Committee.
	He's using a platform that is a threat to national security to record that message to try to gin up support for, I guess he just announced he's running for the U.S.
	Senate, even though Dianne Feinstein hasn't announced whether she's running or retiring or whatever.
	She's 89, but...
	I don't know.
	The Democrats have their own problems over there.
	But the point is that we don't know if that was recorded, by the way, on a government device.
	Was that recorded on a government device?
	That's a serious question.
	I don't know.
	But either way, Adam Schiff should know, he was the chairman of the Intelligence Committee for many years when the Democrats were in the majority, that TikTok is a threat to national security.
	In fact, bipartisan support for the measure to ban it, it happened before the Republicans took the majority back.
	Yeah, and just to demonstrate just the ease with which this man lies, here he is talking about the other person who has kicked off the committee along with himself.
	This is Eric Fangfang Swalwell.
	Cut five.
	Play cut.
	I do want to mention, with respect to Mr. Swalwell also, that I, as he indicated, I sat in on that briefing.
	And when Kevin McCarthy misrepresents it and does that disservice the American people, it's shameful.
	Mr. Swalwell has served honorably on our committee.
	He's never been accused of any kind of wrongdoing.
	This is a patently unfair smear by Mr. McCarthy, but that's what he traffics in, and that's what we're seeing.
	Schiff talking about somebody else smearing a politician.
	That's rich, right?
	There is a classified report that exists about Eric Swalwell.
	We did a story about it two years ago.
	I wrote it.
	I talked to multiple former intelligence community officials who had reviewed and seen the contents of the report, and the report apparently details, according to these people that I've talked to that have read the report about Eric Swalwell and his relationship with Fang Fang, that Eric Swalwell, the report, the FBI has it and the President of the United States, who has original declassification authority, could order it declassified right now.
	So Joe Biden could put this all to bed right now by declassifying the Eric Swalwell Fang Fang report.
	But in the report, according to the sources I've spoken to, it details in gruesome detail the nature of the sexual relationship between Eric Swalwell and Fang Fang.
	And this is important because Fang Fang is a Chinese intelligence officer.
	To this day, Eric Swalwell can't say these I never had sex with a Chinese spy.
	So weird.
	We haven't even talked about Biden files!
	We'll be back with Matt after these messages.
	Let's put it this way.
	There's some very colorful language in some of the quotes from the former intelligence community officials who have seen the report.
	They don't say exactly what it is, but they use some language that heavily suggests what happened.
	I'll send it to you, I'll send it to you later.
	It was a couple years ago that I wrote it.
	And he was a local councilman when that happened, right?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	But, I mean, you're telling me they don't have a video?
	Of course they do.
	The Chinese Communist Party.
	They have it on video.
	And they'll use it against him.
	By the way, Swalwell did vote for the China committee.
	So-- One question.
	So I think it would be on high and low.
	And not important.
	Why do you think that is?
	I think because they're waiting to call their favor in.
	You know, they knew it was going to pass with Big Barton support.
	Two and a half minutes.
	Two and a half minutes.
	All right.
	This is the C segment.
	All right.
	Oh, come in with seven.
	Come in with seven, Pompeo.
	No liner.
	Two minutes.
	Can you play cut six again?
	Cut six.
	Here it is, super short.
	You said previously in your assessment of both military and economic aid to Ukraine that at this point thus far you haven't seen any signs of corruption or misuse.
	Correct.
	Do ten again.
	Ten again.
	What are we doing here?
	I mean, I feel like we're going back... I feel like I'm watching a bad version of, like, Pleasantville, where you're... I don't get what's happening.
	It feels like the 1950s all over again, with, like, book banning.
	This is cancel culture from people who are... I guess they just want our kids to be ignorant and to control the teachers.
	It is...
	This is outrageous.
	I really don't even know how to explain what's going on here.
	It's just ridiculous.
	Why is Lemon on remote?
	I don't get it.
	Doesn't he have his own show?
	Because it's in Memphis.
	That's where those police officers just got arrested.
	Nobody watches his show, so... But why would you agree, as a show host, to go remote?
	Coming in with cut seven.
	Why is the camera off?
	Yeah, but it was off before then.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And Adam Schiff lied to the American people.
	And during my time as CIA Director and Secretary of State, I know that he leaked classified information that had been provided to him.
	Now, the fact that Adam Schiff was the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee almost ruined that committee.
	It serves an incredibly important function for the American people.
	Speaker McCarthy got this one exactly right.
	Adam Schiff should be nowhere near serving on the Intelligence Committee.
	I don't think he should be seeing classified information.
	Let me tell you, as someone who's been in DC since 2008 who still has my TSSCI clearance, it is very unusual.
	I can't even think of a precedence where a former director of the CIA said what you just heard.
	Mike Pompeo.
	Actually saying that a Chairman of the Intelligence Committee leaked classified information.
	And of course, who is he talking about?
	He's talking about Adam Schiff.
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	Talking of classified documents, Matt, This Biden Files scandal seems to be snowballing every single day.
	Can he get out of this?
	Is this the DNC getting rid of him?
	What are you hearing?
	I'm not sure yet, so I don't know where this ends.
	I will say that it's continuing to get worse for him, there's no doubt about that.
	The revelation that there were documents from his time as a senator Found at his house?
	That is very, very bad for him.
	That opens up a whole new universe of things.
	So, they were focused on his time as vice president, and there's a whole bunch of documents at the University of Pennsylvania that they've been searching.
	They found some there, and they found some at his house, and his garage, and other places throughout his house.
	But the fact that they found documents from his time as a senator at his house, Would suggest that there needs to be a search of also the University of Delaware.
	At the University of Delaware, we did a big story about this on Breitbart on, I'll never forget, it was January 1st, 2020, and the headline was, so this was before the 2020 presidential election, the headline was, the Biden papers.
	And we talked about his papers from his time as a senator.
	There are 1,800 boxes, approximately.
	1,800 boxes of paper documents and dozens of gigabytes of digital files at the University of Delaware from his decades as a U.S. senator.
	And they were supposed to be released before the 2020 presidential election.
	But because he decided that he was going to run for president again, they ended up hiding them.
	And now they changed the release date to two years after he supposedly leaves public office or passes away.
	So if he dies in office or if he serves a second term or finishes the first term and then doesn't run again.
	Right?
	So two years after he's done in public life.
	So they changed the release date.
	They were supposed to release it from then.
	I think that there are probably classified documents in that University of Delaware's cache and I hope that federal law enforcement are going to look at it and I would imagine that they are.
	If you start finding stuff in that regard and you hear senators talking about this right now.
	So you're hearing people already kind of pointing in this direction.
	A vice president or a president, there's documents with them everywhere, there's staffers flying around with them.
	Maybe a little bit more, it's still not acceptable, but a little bit more understandable, like why they would end up at your house or at this place or that place.
	A senator, no.
	They go into a skiff, they read the documents.
	You heard Senator Rubio talk about this, he's the vice chair of the Intelligence Committee.
	Well, Jim Jordan, I mean, you go into a skiff, you read the documents, and you leave them Yeah, you don't take them home.
	You don't take them with you, right?
	And even Democrat senators have been saying this, right?
	So even they're dumbfounded by it.
	So the fact that there are classified documents from his time as a senator found at his house is going to get really, really bad for him.
	As for where this goes and how it plays out, I don't know.
	Maybe it ends up with an impeachment inquiry.
	Maybe it ends up with an impeachment.
	Do you think this is the left getting rid of him?
	I find it very interesting that Kamala Harris is extremely quiet.
	Have you heard a word from her about it?
	Nothing!
	Nothing!
	Not only is he the Washington Bureau Chief, he knows how to use the word cash.
	Yes, it's a document's cash, not a cachet.
	That's something completely different.
	But if you read his articles, you know that he's a true wordsmith and he's going to send me The original article he wrote about Fang Fang and Eric and I'll repost it.
	In the meantime follow him on Truth Social at a real Matt Boyle and don't forget to bookmark Breitbart because it is the juggernaut of conservative websites.
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	Let's go to our good buddy in Silver Spring, Victor!
	Happy Thursday!
	Do we have Victor?
	Let me give you an update.
	My neighbor's cats are now using the MyPillow beds as scratching posts, but they can't rip the material.
	I'll tell Mike Lindell.
	I'm happy to hear it.
	But I don't think you called in to talk about cat beds, Victor.
	No, I didn't.
	Tell us.
	Once again, we see a change in subject with Biden.
	Go ahead.
	He's getting clobbered with the top secret files.
	So what does he do?
	He decides, I'm going to give the Ukrainians tanks.
	Maybe they won't talk about the files anymore.
	If that's what he's doing, if he's trying to distract us from the classified documents in his kitchen, in his garage and wherever else, it's not working because even the mainstream left-wing media are still talking about the files, Victor.
	That's good to hear because I was a little bit worried this morning when everybody seemed to be talking about sending these tanks to Ukraine.
	Yeah, look, it's not a good idea.
	I gave my analysis yesterday.
	I'll continue a bit more on today's show.
	But yeah, at the end of the day, if this was a distraction ploy, it did not work at all.
	Thank you, Victor.
	We'll get back to your calls momentarily.
	Antoinette, Don, Mark, Peter, don't go anywhere.
	But first, Let's talk about what this ESG insanity is, how politics is being injected into even our retirement funds and the companies running them.
	With the Executive Director of Consumers Research, Will Hild, welcome to America First.
	Thank you so much for having me, glad to be here.
	All right, so first things first, for those who are not familiar, what the flip is ESG?
	Will you explain this acronym?
	Absolutely.
	Very simply, it stands for Environmental Social Governance, and it's billed by its supporters as a type of investing, like value investing that Warren Buffett is famous for, for example, or momentum investing.
	What it really is, it's a stalking horse.
	It's a way to wedge in Progressive political platforms into corporate America using, get this, public pension dollars.
	Some of the largest asset managers in the world, in fact the largest in the world, BlackRock, led by its CEO Larry Fink, uses the assets they have under management to push corporate America to the left.
	All right, and say a little bit about BlackRock because I don't think the average American is familiar with this company and just how incredibly powerful it is, Will.
	Absolutely.
	It's the most powerful company that no one has ever heard of.
	It is the largest asset manager in the world.
	It oversees, depending on how the markets are doing, somewhere between $8.5 to $10 trillion.
	That's trillion with a T. And much of that is public pension money.
	State, local, federal.
	They manage a big portion of the federal thrift savings plan.
	That's our military's retirement.
	Those are our public servants' retirements.
	And so when they go and they meet with corporate directors, for example, like they go and meet the corporate directors at Exxon.
	They walk in representing 8 to 10% of that company's entire shares.
	So they have to listen to them.
	And what are they pushing?
	Well, you can ask Larry Fink himself.
	He's very vocal about this.
	They're pushing net zero targets.
	They are pushing far left progressive social issues.
	Okay, they are pushing board diversity quotas, literally.
	And they've run this past all of their shareholders and customers, right, Will?
	That's a great question.
	Absolutely not.
	Now, they claim that everything they do is within the fiduciary duty.
	They claim everything they're doing is just to make more money.
	And that's the irony of this trick.
	Because they are bound by law when they manage public pension funds to focus solely on returns for the shareholders.
	But what they do instead is they claim that being a left-winger is the best way to make money.
	Which is, of course, absurd.
	But that's the argument that they're trying to use.
	So explain how this left-wing ideological scoring system works.
	How does ESG work in practice?
	Absolutely.
	So let's take the E, okay, the environmental.
	What that means really is just net zero, carbon neutral, meaning that they want to see every company basically de-industrialized.
	And so they go to these companies and they say, listen, Yes.
	You can show us that you're on track to hit net zero.
	We'll continue to vote for your compensation packages.
	We won't replace any of your board of directors.
	We won't try to get your CEO fired.
	But if you don't, if you don't follow – and by the way, these are set by – these targets are from what they call the Paris Accords.
	This was that noxious treaty that couldn't even get through a democratically held Senate when it was being considered.
	These are where they're getting their targets.
	But what they couldn't get done at the ballot box through the democratic process, they try to force on America through the corporate governance structure.
	And so they go to these companies and say, if you don't play ball, if you don't try and move your company towards net zero targets, we will replace members of your board of directors.
	Try to get your CEO fired.
	Vote against your compensation packages.
	That's how powerful these people are.
	All right, Will.
	You've got 60 seconds left.
	You're talking to three million people from California to D.C.
	What should customers, consumers, what should people who may have money in these pension funds be doing?
	Well, the number one thing they do is they need to call their public officials, that's your governor's office, your attorney general's office, and whoever your elected representatives are and your state legislators, and let them know you care about this issue because that's why Larry Fink and BlackRock have so much power.
	We haven't been paying attention, and it's time that someone puts their foot down and says no more.
	So let your public officials know that you care about this issue, that it's important to you, and you don't want to see your state's investment dollars used to raise the prices at the gas pump and the grocery store and everywhere in between.
	They've been fighting for you against fraud and abuse for consumers for decades.
	Now they're fighting the ideological perversion of these massive funds that also handle your pensions.
	Go right now.
	He's the Executive Director of Consumers Research.
	That's consumersresearch.org.
	Thank you, Will Hild.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Who is BlackRock and what is ESG?
	Mm-hmm.
	Jeff, can you write to the person who has the MyPatriotSupply account?
	And say what?
	Just to confirm that I'm no longer using my URL, but I'm using their URL.
	Okay.
	Oh, okay.
	Because then we have to change the buffer again.
	Yes.
	Title for Boyle, by the way.
	Why is Adam Schiff using Communist China's TikTok?
	China's TikTok I'd like to tell you to say Hi, I'm Adam Schiff in the beginning Because no one on TikTok knows who he is That's the cliche, like, social media influencer, like, hi, this is...
	Like, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, that last door was a little tricky, so...
	Oh, you have to just...
	You have to kind of pull it towards you.
	As you...
	Okay, got it.
	No idea why it's like that.
	Thank you.
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	Happy Thursday!
	Happy Thursday, Dr. G. A little belated Christmas, but a happy new year for 2023.
	Yes!
	Yeah, Eric said, he said, what, are we supposed to save these till next Christmas?
	I said, no!
	Open them right now.
	I had a lovely scented candle, some essential oils, but I was a little bit confused.
	The large amount of poop bags for my dogs.
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	Alright, Antoinette, what do you have for us this Thursday?
	Well, we've got some good news for a change, okay?
	So, we are starting into our third year of I Am For The Voiceless, so that's a really good thing.
	We're still hanging in there.
	So, this past Sunday, we were at the Mission Viejo Planned Parenthood.
	We changed it up a little.
	Because we go to the Santa Ana, the Tuscan Orange Mission Viejo, and we kind of trade around.
	But this past Sunday, the other wonderful thing is that Pastor Larry DeSimone was with us.
	He's the one that wrote the stories on the moral and philosophical conflict on the vaccine technology and I want to give Mr. G his personal phone number so maybe you guys can have him on.
	down the road here.
	But the good thing is the assembly bill here in California, 2320.
	Guess what?
	Gavin Newsom, when I was talking about it last week, since we're in a deficit, how are we going to pay for all this stuff?
	He didn't sign that bill because there's no money.
	So they're not going to be paying for hotel, flight, but even the clinics, they can't even reimburse.
	So that is all on hold.
	Because they're out of money.
	Yes, it's not money.
	Wow, wow.
	That It's not funny!
	That is fabulous good news and we're very very happy you shared that with us.
	We're out of time to take Don but stay on the line Don and we will we'll have a call at the top of the hour why Because it's my show and I can do stuff like that.
	Thank you Antoinette.
	We'll be back with your calls.
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	Hey, who's this?
	Yes.
	Hi Dave.
	What's your comment?
	What's your question?
	Oh, my comment is this.
	So you just had a guest on talking about Larry Fink and Black Rock.
	Yeah.
	Um, I was just having this conversation with my buddy the other day and he said, do you know that, that Larry Fink is, is a Jew?
	And I said, no, what does that, what does that have to do with anything?
	And then he went on and tell me, you know, that the education in America is run by Jews.
	And I said, get out of here.
	And he said, did you know that 50% of... So where is this going?
	I'm really not interested if this is just a story about an anti-Semite.
	I just can't get over the fact... I said, what does it matter that 2% of... So what is your point?
	To call up on my show?
	I'm sick of these people pointing out the blatant over-representation of Jews.
	Well then tell them!
	And don't waste my time.
	Thank you.
	been a while since you heard that one you you
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	Let's talk about making movies great again with our good buddy Don in LA.
	Happy Thursday, Don.
	Oh, happy Thursday to you, Dr. G. Man, I had to call you.
	I was going to call you tomorrow, but I got an appointment with my dang CPA.
	But I had to tell you, you know, that time of the year.
	But you know, I had to tell you about how much I enjoyed your making movies where you guys were breaking down Lethal Weapon.
	And man, you touched so many bases.
	The one scene you didn't mention that is probably one of my favorite of all time is when Mr. Joshua is taking off in the chopper after killing that guy.
	He's going over the ocean.
	Mel Gibson's character.
	He's running, and he's coming right into the camera, and he's got the beret.
	ready he's like goes empties one mag switches another mag empties the whole freaking thing and springs a leak on the chopper and it's like oh man yeah he's unloading his nine millimeter at about you know a mile away at mr joshua in the chopper it is a classic scene we had a still of it however i will i will add something we ran out of time for don do you know have you heard of the sniper scene from Lethal Weapon?
	Oh, which one?
	No, no, no, that was deleted from the original movie.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	All right.
	All right.
	See, there we go.
	Eric had the whole thing for us.
	We didn't have time to play it.
	After the show or in the commercial break, Don, you need to go off, go online and put in deleted sniper scene.
	From Lethal Weapon.
	I think you'll understand why they deleted it, but it is pretty, pretty cool with Mel dealing with a sniper in only the way that Mel Gibson can.
	Thank you, Don.
	Is the Baron here?
	I think the Baron is on the premises.
	Shall we get him into the studio?
	While we're waiting for him, let us talk to Brenda.
	Brenda in Dallas, Line 5.
	Welcome, Brenda.
	Hi, Dr. G. I just wanted to give you my opinion as to why maybe a lot of the candidates, the Republican candidates, didn't go to the rally.
	A lot?
	Brenda, Brenda, none of them went.
	None of the people who want to be president and challenge President Trump spoke at the March for Life.
	Explain it to me.
	Right.
	Yeah, well, you know, there was a theory floating around at the midterms that one of the reasons why it was a mediocre showing was because of the Pro-life abortion, that that lost votes for us.
	Yeah, but do you agree with that?
	Oh, absolutely not.
	If it did, I don't think that it was enough to make a difference.
	I really don't think that had any impact on it.
	But I think that I think they think it's a hot button.
	Well, which just reinforces my point.
	They're all stinking cowards.
	Thank you, Brenda.
	Let's ask him.
	The Baron has landed, looking very natty in his three-piece suit.
	He's back in the swamp.
	Boris Epstein, welcome in studio.
	It's great to see you, my friend.
	You look great.
	We got the cufflinks on.
	We got the presidential cufflinks.
	All right, we had a caller.
	I made this point last hour, and I want to run it past you.
	Somebody else made it, Vince Colonnais on WMAL Radio, and I credit Vince.
	How is it that the only president in U.S. history to address the March for Life was our boss, President Trump?
	And last Friday was the March for Life, 50th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, right after his associate justices destroyed that garbage piece of law.
	And we have all these people who want to challenge President Trump, I mean from Pompeo on down, Nikki Haley, even that clown John Bolton.
	None of them, Barron.
	None of them spoke at the March for Life on the 50th anniversary after President Trump's amazing success.
	If you want to be president, why wouldn't you be there, Barron?
	And President Trump did an amazing video for the March for Life.
	I mean, here's the bottom line.
	And actually Politico wrote this up in the last 48 hours.
	None of these other contenders have what it takes to go up against our boss, President Donald J. Trump.
	They can't do it.
	But they won't even embrace pro-life, Boris.
	Well, because they're trying to be something for everybody.
	They're not authentic.
	They don't know what they stand for.
	And they're trying to play this game, but it fails.
	And if you look at the polling, amazing poll coming out just yesterday.
	President Trump at 59.
	The next is Ron DeSantis at 24.
	Wow.
	Hang on.
	What are you talking about?
	Jeff, didn't you tell me that everybody said that Ron DeSantis is the new leader of the conservative movement?
	Yeah, we heard that the day after the election.
	Yeah, we heard that the day after the election.
	What's going on here?
	I heard that somebody on CNN, and maybe let's be honest, Fox News, may have said, Oh, it's time to move on.
	Well, let me tell you something, my friend, and you know this better than anybody.
	Look at President Trump's videos.
	Look at his events.
	I was honored to be with him, actually, when he spoke to Judicial Watch, the 501c3 entity, just last week, and, you know, Tom Fitton's great group.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	President Trump is firing absolutely on all cylinders, and he's the leader that this country needs, and he is irrefutably, irrefutably the head of the MAGA movement and the Republican Party.
	By the way, Tom Fitton, the Baron, has reminded me.
	I salute you, Tom.
	I texted you last night because we happen to be on all the same Twitter spaces where I tend to lose my temper with the likes of the Krasenstein Brothers and other scumbag leftists.
	And Tom is always there, cool as a cucumber, bringing the ammunition, bringing the reinforcements.
	He's a little bit more calm than I am, so thank you, Tom Fitton.
	An amazing organisation, Judicial Watch.
	Tom's a great guy.
	Tom is a great guy.
	Alright, so Eric has been bugging me in the studio.
	He even said it yesterday.
	When is he going to start the rallies again?
	You're the strategic advisor for the campaign.
	Just break some news here, Boris!
	What I love, every time I'm in the studio, whenever I'm in the swamp, be it in a sweater or in a three-piece suit, there's the question.
	Well, as you know, President Trump, this weekend, going to New Hampshire, going to South Carolina, going to be robust events there, very exciting, specifically in New Hampshire.
	He's speaking to the party convention there, to the party meeting in South Carolina with statewide leaders.
	Very, very important.
	And then, again, You know, we are living, obviously as we all know, right, it's the new world, it's the new age, and there's a ton of ways to reach audiences.
	I will tell you, these videos, like the one on... The policy videos.
	The policy video, the one on the Committee on Weaponization yesterday, the policy video on the border, the videos on...
	The dual system of justice we have in this country.
	These videos cut through unlike a lot of things I've ever seen before.
	But Eric, rest easy.
	We're going to have some nice rallies for you, buddy.
	And maybe even, I don't know, I may know somebody who knows somebody.
	Maybe we'll even get Eric in the 15th row.
	Eric, have your guys talk to the band's guys.
	We'll work something out.
	BorisEP.com, follow him on all social media platforms that matter.
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	Big day tomorrow for the RNC.
	Expectations?
	Is Rona safe?
	What do you think?
	You know, I'm not a member of the 168, but save money right now from what I understand.
	I think it does look like Ronald McDaniel is going to win that race.
	Will the pressure from Hamid and from Mike Lindell, do you have any expectation that she'll be more, hmm, how do I put this diplomatically?
	serious about election fraud, Boris. - It's absolutely vital.
	That's a non-negotiable item, and I've also made that clear on my own and publicly.
	And if you have to do a comparison, if you look at the way Speaker McCarthy has started his tenure, I think there's never been an impact made by the 20 holdouts, but specifically the MAGAs.
	So again, we'll see what happens tomorrow.
	Never want to, you know, guess about anything or, you know, and again, that's not really my, necessarily my concentration, but if Ronald McDaniel were to win and remain as chairwoman, I think, A, it is absolutely vital to have a zero focus, a total focus on election integrity, and I do think that The fact that this will have been a contested race, a somewhat contentious race as well, will have a positive impact, just as it has in the House of Representatives.
	So you do expect to see some behavior modification afterwards, more seriousness from her, if she wins?
	I expect that, with input from those like you and me, if Ron McGinn... Keeping the heat on?
	We're to win.
	I think you're going to see action that we want to see if she is reelected.
	All right.
	Well, we shall see.
	We are less than 24 hours away from that election.
	You know what's interesting?
	Yeah.
	Just a real quick.
	Just as the speaker process turned such a focus and a light on governance in our country, I think it's good that we're sitting here talking about an RNC election.
	Something that usually isn't used.
	Exactly, usually isn't used.
	But here we are discussing it and I think that's great.
	My little boys tell me, Daddy, what's going on with the yeas and nays, you know, in the house?
	That's cool, that's cool.
	And I love that.
	The focus of the American people On the substantive, not the bloviating garbage in the news, but the substantive mechanics of representative democracy in the Republic is just a good thing.
	Four days for Kevin McCarthy?
	Yeah, we can deal with that.
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	All right, and then we're going to do my Patriot here.
	Um...
	We'll talk your favorite, we'll talk Ilhan.
	Let's do it.
	What else is important?
	I mean, to bind that document?
	Yep.
	Who's the most important person for booking the boss now for media?
	Chung.
	Oh, Chung!
	Oh, good.
	I'll give him a call.
	All right, here's cut 13.
	Where's Doug?
	Congressman.
	He's around here somewhere.
	And then here's the next one.
	And one more.
	I've been saying this during the last campaign, the off-year campaign.
	Doug knows.
	Look, here's the deal.
	Who are you talking about?
	Don Beyer.
	This is the thing now in Virginia, right, Jeff?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'll, I'll, I'll, um... Tee those up.
	Actually, no, um... Play, play the first one, and then I'll tee up the second one.
	Come in with 13, and then you'll tee up 14.
	Yep.
	How you been?
	Good, good.
	Really busy.
	I spent all weekend filming of the new TV show, so super busy.
	Oh, which TV show?
	What?
	Yeah, that's fine.
	It's an idea I had since I left the White House and Katie got it funded.
	It's called Conspiracy Chronicles and we put a whole season in the can and so we have a whole TV show and now we're gonna sell it to whoever I love that.
	Every episode, we destroy a conspiracy theory, like we didn't go to the moon.
	And then we talk about a real conspiracy, like the Awan brothers.
	So it's fun.
	What's the Awan brothers?
	You know, the Pakistanis on Capitol Hill who took all the information off the drives.
	Oh, yeah.
	Whatever happened with that?
	They went to Pakistan.
	They skipped the country.
	They used to work for what's-her-name from Florida, right?
	The Democrat.
	Curly hair.
	Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
	The original DSC chair, yeah.
	So you think we definitely went to the moon, huh?
	Don't start.
	That's great.
	Who are you going to pitch it to?
	Anybody and everybody from Nat Geo, you name it.
	Everybody.
	Salem doesn't want to do it?
	I might.
	I might do it to Salem, but it's...
	Yeah.
	Salem News, Max.
	You know who would have been good?
	Are we going out?
	Oh, we can kill it.
	Kill it.
	Kill the mics.
	Yeah.
	Who?
	Kill the mics, Alex, please.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, cut 13, then I'll tee up 14.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Where's Doug?
	Congressman.
	He's around here somewhere.
	No, no, he's not.
	Because you're talking about Doug Byer, not Don.
	That was the man who bears the title of president just moments ago at an event in Virginia, proving he is senile, not just once, but multiple times.
	Here he is continuing to look for Don.
	Buyer.
	Doug Buyer.
	Play cut.
	And one more.
	I've been saying this during the last campaign, the off-year campaign.
	Doug knows.
	Look, here's the deal.
	It's going to get worse, guys.
	We just hit the two-year anniversary.
	How bad can it get?
	Well, look.
	If you don't admit you have a problem and you don't have the skills to fix the problem, it's only going to get worse.
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	Just embarrassing, that clip from Biden just moments ago in Virginia.
	Let's talk about something that's not just embarrassing but deeply, deeply disturbing.
	The national security ramifications of the Biden files scandal.
	Now, it's not just documents from when he was vice president seven years ago that are TSSCI.
	It's documents found from when he was a senator.
	Senators don't take home classified information.
	What is this?
	Well, that's the big problem.
	Right now, there's documents from when he was in the Senate, and the process for those of you at home is, if you're a Senator or a member of Congress, you've got to go to a SCIF.
	You have to go to the bowels of the Senate with somebody who has the clearances, doors locked, phones outside.
	Read the document.
	Leave it there, and leave the skin.
	So, what is Joe Biden doing with his documents when he was in the Senate?
	And also, let's go to the video tape.
	I mean, the process.
	The fact that they've had to have six searches.
	Four in Wilmington alone.
	I mean, it has been a total disaster.
	All going back to Biden saying, oh, I can't believe President Trump would be so irresponsible.
	Biden and his team again, embarrassing themselves.
	But, you know, we've talked about this, Sebastian.
	It's no surprise.
	Because Biden's team is so bad at doing everything.
	They're terrible on the border.
	They're terrible on the economy.
	They're terrible on energy.
	They're bad at everything.
	And of course they're bad at handling this deep crisis.
	I mean, they brought up this guy Ian Sams.
	That guy's a disaster.
	He's falling apart.
	You know, this new spokesperson they have.
	It's literally, and I said this on air, I believe on Newsmax, It's like watching Veep, the show.
	You've got the spokesperson who doesn't say anything.
	But it's not meant to be a comedy.
	It's not meant to be a comedy.
	It's meant to be a sad reality.
	And this is another reason why, you know, having, and I believe, it's my right, an illegitimate president is so terrible for our country.
	We have this guy who doesn't know where he is, doesn't know who he's talking to, he's hiring terrible people, and it's a complete disaster.
	So you often bring that historic perspective, especially, you know, past presidents in the 20th century.
	Here's my prediction.
	Tell me if this gels with you.
	So everybody smears Nixon with Watergate, and the thing they love to smear him with is always the, I'm not a crook.
	A little moment, a little clip.
	For me, when Biden last week said... I have no regrets.
	I have no regrets.
	And then he said, there's no there there.
	That will be the I'm not a crook clip when he goes down.
	What do you think?
	I think could very well be.
	Yeah?
	Compare that to also the Clinton, depends on what the meaning of is.
	And what difference does he make now with Hillary?
	Right.
	These are moments in time which matter, which get remembered, and then, let's be honest, get destroyed.
	But the point is that this leadership, quote-unquote leadership we have, is so feckless, so hopeless, so pathetic that, Sebastian, our country is wasted away.
	I mean, look around.
	We're focused on Ukraine sending billions and billions of dollars over there.
	Go five miles this way.
	Look at our border.
	And Biden has come to the 10th city in DC.
	Right.
	Just a mile and a half from this studio.
	Exactly.
	How significant is it that two years in, just two years in, Ron Klein, the chief of staff, is saying hasta la vista and he's leaving the White House.
	How big a deal is that?
	So the two years is a little bit of actually a long period of time for Democrats.
	What's interesting is the timing.
	So Friday, the DOJ does a 13-hour search of Biden's home.
	Saturday morning, Klein leaks.
	Before the information of the search code comes out, he leaks that he's stepping away.
	What does that mean?
	And if you look at the stories, Ron Klain isn't actually mentioned as somebody who's in the inner circle on this issue.
	So did he come in and say, hey, I'm not going to be the scapegoat, I'm out?
	Who knows?
	But it's definitely problematic because Ron Klain, you know, I don't agree with him on anything, but he's probably as close to an adult in that room as it gets just because he's been around for so long and he's punching out.
	Tell me if I'm wrong.
	In comparison to the likes of Rice and others, he's the least overtly ideological.
	Is that fair?
	To a degree.
	And he runs his Twitter account and all that.
	That's all a joke.
	But here's the point.
	He's been effectively the backbone over there.
	And again, it's a disaster.
	And I wouldn't hire him to run a school board.
	But for what they have over there, that shallow talent pool, it's been him.
	I mean, the guy's coming in.
	It's Zients, you know.
	This COVID guy.
	He's the biggest.
	The COVID was a disaster for him.
	And then his other claim to fame is that he's the bagel store guy.
	OK?
	Mazel Tov.
	Alright, we've got a couple of minutes left.
	We are talking to the Barron, Senior Advisor to the Trump 2020-2024 campaign.
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	That, Swalwell, Schiff to Schiff, yes, these are all good, strong moves.
	This is exactly what we need as a country.
	We cannot allow these deeply compromised individuals near our secrets.
	I mean, Schiff to Schiff has lied to this country for years and years and years.
	Swalwell and Feng Feng, we know about that, and Ilhan Omar, her anti-Semitism, her anti-Israel strong sentiment, her pathetic comments about 9-11, these are all markings of people who should Nothing to do with being, I would say, in the House of Representatives, but definitely not on those committees.
	So those are the right moves.
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	So, the Baron said, commented on a post I made right after
	McCarthy was elected speaker because he's sartorial he wears really nice three-piece suits and I posted this on Instagram this is a photograph of Kevin McCarthy's feet after he was celebrating being made speaker and I said how does a grown man not understand you do not wear brown shoes with a dark suit ever period end of story You can wear black or burgundy like Cordovan.
	But light brown?
	What planet do you live on McCarthy?
	And the other thing that blows my mind is all of these politicians, not only do they wear brown shoes, they have white rubber soles.
	Not even black rubber soles.
	I mean, what you should be wearing is leather sole dress shoes, like I do, if you've got any stinking style.
	And then the reaction to this post, people went insane, concerned.
	They said, Gawker, can't you concentrate on more important things?
	Not like I actually spend 25 hours a day talking about the important things, like the border, like freedom of speech, like national security.
	I have one post on fashion in 52 years of my life.
	That's a problem.
	And somebody said, well, he's got more important things to do.
	Well, guess what?
	That's the point!
	He's two heartbeats away from the presidency.
	And ask yourself this question.
	When did you see President Trump wearing brown shoes with a dark suit?
	Never.
	Dress for the job you want.
	Dress for success.
	It's not superficial.
	It's seriousness.
	It's a mark of respect for your audience.
	Talking like Don Corleone.
	All right.
	Enough venting there.
	Let's get back to your calls.
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	Cleveland.
	Mark, welcome to America First.
	Thank you for taking my call, Dr. Corleone.
	You're welcome.
	First of all, I just wanted to say that I think it was on your show yesterday or today, the news about Hunter Biden and a $49,000 a month home.
	Yeah, that was like two weeks ago.
	We were discussing it on the show.
	Yeah, $49,000 monthly rent for the home where the secret documents in the Corvette are stashed.
	What's your comment?
	Well, no, I think I'm smoking the wrong stuff.
	Clearly!
	I mean, how does a crack addict afford 50 grand a month on rent, Mark?
	That's the question.
	Thank you, Doctor.
	Second comment.
	You know, there's Al Gore at Davos.
	I'm surprised The Hook didn't come out and pull him off stage.
	Or two aides in white suits didn't come get him and put him in a straight jacket.
	Mark, Mark, do you know how much money he's made since he left office as Vice President on this gig of climate warming and the hoax?
	Do you know how much money he's made, Mark?
	Oh, I've followed him for a long time.
	This pompous showboater with all this blunder.
	Mark, do you know how much money he's made?
	Well, I'm sure it's a hell of a lot.
	Have a guess.
	Have a guess how much the overweight environmentalist hoaxer is worth today.
	I have no idea, Doctor.
	300 million.
	I know it's going to be a lot.
	300 million dollars.
	Pretty good, eh?
	But I really would have liked to have him question on what he's going to do about volcanoes.
	I was doing some research.
	There's 1,500 around the world.
	15 to 70 erupt on a yearly basis, spewing sulfur dioxide, carbon dioxide.
	Mark, forget about the volcanoes.
	There's something more important that affects the weather.
	It's that big yellow thing in the sky called the sun.
	Right, you're absolutely right.
	Thank you, Mark.
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	Thank you so much, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
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	Alright, so one of the things I've heard, and this is an easy, you know, message we've had for years and years and years, buy American, don't buy anything from a communist dictatorship like China, but I hear again and again and again that, A, some of these things just aren't made here, we had a devil of a time making sure everything on our website is made in America, and then other people say, well, if I can't find it, it's always more expensive, so address those issues if you would, please.
	Yeah, sure.
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	I'm curious.
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	Yeah, sure.
	So we have a lot of patriotic influencers that are coming on board and expressing this movement and how important it is because voting with your dollars is literally everything.
	Every time you buy a standard consumable good, you're supporting whatever Jeff Bezos is supporting or the Waltons.
	And we all know BLM, Antifa, these guys are reaping the rewards.
	So we're actually supporting the people that are destroying the fabric of America.
	And we really need to be more cognizant of how we're giving our money away.
	And how much of this is something I'm curious when you're attracting people to this American product universe?
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	Greg.
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	You've got three million people listening right now.
	What is your message to those who say, you know, I can just go on my phone.
	I can go to Amazon.
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	What do you say to those who are just lazy about this?
	Well, I would say, you know, really take a look at yourself and how you're living your lifestyle.
	And it's more of a lifestyle change as far as living a healthier lifestyle, cleaner lifestyle, and you're supporting USA companies.
	That's going away so much right now in today's world.
	We really have to get back to supporting the US economy.
	And while you're doing that, you're living a much healthier, much safer lifestyle, buying a better quality product that is made here in the USA.
	And it gets to you in two or three days.
	So it's really a great cross between an Amazon and a Walmart.
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	I love it, I love it, I love it.
	We have got to bang this drum from the mountaintop.
	Look, it's just, we can make everything, everything we need here in this nation.
	The idea that we buy garbage from China, 90% of our anti Biotics come from Communist China.
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	Mike in Detroit, thank you for waiting.
	Line two.
	Oh yeah, Dr. Corker.
	Initially, I had a comment when you started talking about the border.
	I lived there for years, and you know, it's just amazing that people in this country are just supposedly surprised and amazed that there's cartel members in this country, you know, after that shooting in California.
	But I had a question for you, because remember in 1993, as early as 1993, You know, the American citizens, you know, in the form of the San Diego, you know, gang members who were trained in Mexico by the, you know, the Mexican Army X Special Forces.
	You're kind of losing me.
	We've got two more callers to get to.
	What's your point, please, Mike?
	Oh yeah, well, they murdered the Cardinal of Mexico at the airport in Guadalajara.
	These were American citizens in 1993.
	And I wondered what you thought of that.
	Was that a setup?
	No idea.
	I have no idea about something that happened back in 1993, but I promise you I will look into it.
	Jeremy, Colorado.
	Jeremy, you're up!
	Yeah, quick question.
	We released a Russian agent and then also Russia's now trying to buy weapons from Taliban.
	So I wonder who's brokering the deal for that one.
	I don't know.
	You think it might be Hunter Biden?
	Might be the guy they released from Russia for that battle.
	Could be Victor Bout.
	I said Victor Bout's going to be helping Putin get the weapons he needs for Ukraine.
	Very likely it could be Victor Bout.
	Great question.
	Bob, California.
	Doctor, thank you for taking my call really quickly.
	You know, I'm a preacher, and so, you know, God in the Old Testament expelled Israel from the Promised Land because they were sacrificing babies to Molech.
	And He said that they had shed innocent blood and did things that never entered His mind to do.
	And right now, the way we're sacrificing babies in the womb to the idol of money, We need to vote for people that will stop this murder.
	That's who we need to vote for.
	If someone's going to stand up for the innocent, for the babies, we need to vote for them.
	And, you know, two years back, I was at a, very quickly, I was at a minister's meeting.
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	I prayed, And I'm telling you straight up, God wanted me to pray for Trump and his family, because this man stands up... It is crucial, whenever I see people who say, we're praying for your family, Dr. G, I say, not just me, thank you very kindly, pray for the first family, the real first family, pray for President Trump, Melania, and the whole Trump family, because he's thrown his hat back into the ring.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First, one-on-one with, you know that troublemaker, There's a guest host here very often.
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	Jim Hansen, welcome back to America First.
	Always a pleasure.
	So have you been following this little spat between the biggest conservative content provider, Stephen Crowder, and this burgeoning conservative empire of The Daily Wire?
	Yeah, unfortunately.
	I wish we weren't having that play out in front of everyone.
	Because we all, on the right, have a vested interest in both of them succeeding.
	Right, let's listen.
	So if you're not familiar with it, we discussed it a little bit yesterday.
	So there's this Former comedian, current comedian, has millions and millions of followers on YouTube.
	He does 90-minute shows every day, and very successful.
	And allegedly, he was in negotiations with Daily Wire that is building this conservative platform where people like Candice Owens, my friend Andrew Claven, and others have their shows.
	And they were in negotiations with Mr. Crowder, and Mr. Crowder took Let me read you an example of what I mean.
	And this would be if it was me.
	If Crowder fails to deliver a monthly content in any month or any of the quarterly content in the corner, including any and all ad reads, and by the way, all these contracts came with 3, 4, 5, Ad reads per show, which would fundamentally change what this show is.
	Gotta get those dollar-dollar bills.
	If I failed to do that, it would be a $250,000 reduction in fee per quarter.
	So let me summarize this.
	Tell me if you think I've, you know, misconstrued it.
	But here we have, because the weird thing is Crowder didn't mention The Daily Wire.
	He just read, look how I'm being exploited by a conservative content provider.
	Then the CEO of The Daily Wire, Jeremy Boring, actually read the, he said, he fessed up, yes, sorry, Steve's talking about us.
	And he read the whole contract on air, about 50 minutes long, a very dry contract.
	It seems to be an argument between a company that has a lot of money Offered Crowder quite a nice package 50 million over four years but said if you receive strikes mean YouTube penalize you for saying something that is politically incorrect and you lose money from your YouTube post well we're going to dock some of your pay because we can't make money which seems reasonable because you can't make money if you're not making money
	But Crowder's point is that this is the daily wire, this burgeoning, conservative, content-providing empire that is genuflecting at the altar of woke corporations like YouTube and is penalizing conservatives who get in trouble with big tech.
	Jim, what's missing in this story?
	Reality, I guess, is the problem.
	Crowder is a big deal.
	Yes.
	You don't get off at $50 million if you're not, right?
	No, and the $50 million included his production costs.
	For 25 guys.
	Yeah, so he's paying a lot of people out of that $50 million, but it's still a lot of money.
	And the idea that he's being exploited and he's the poor content provider, if he does things that he knows, because he's prone to doing things to get YouTube to bother him.
	I mean, hang on, hang on.
	He likes to be provocative.
	He has a segment where, I think it's called, This Will Piss Off YouTube.
	Right.
	And so he says, come to my private rumble or come to my platform.
	I mean, he deliberately baits people to say, well, I can't say this on YouTube.
	So come over to my private platform.
	And it seems reasonable if you're going to pay someone for content and they are going to jeopardize that content in a business way, you mitigate against that.
	I mean, the reason Boring read that contract, that Boring contract, was because he wasn't embarrassed by it.
	Right.
	Perfectly legitimate and fine.
	And Crowder's embarrassing himself.
	You know, I think it's part stunt.
	I think it's part him trying to do his own thing and play a game.
	Because he's just left the blaze, I think.
	So he's about to launch his own whatever.
	And the weird thing is...
	This term sheet was sent to him four months ago.
	Right.
	And he's blowing the whistle now.
	That seems a tad artificial, Jim.
	I think that's called earned media.
	I think that's a game you play to get your story out there, to get your brand out there.
	I want both of them to succeed.
	So I think the Daily Wire did nothing wrong.
	Crowder, I think, has been a little childish and needs to go ahead and decide whether or not he wants everyone to succeed or whether he wants to be the center of attention.
	And I think both can happen and it's time for all of us to move on to more productive things in conservative media.
	Before we move on from this topic, let's just look at another aspect of all of this.
	Because there is maybe the more strategic question, forget the spat between Crowder and Boring and The Daily Wire.
	Isn't it a little absurd, Jim, that you and I, I mean I was nuked, I was cancelled on YouTube because of something a guest said on my show on a private video, but isn't it a bit weird that we are utterly beholden to Google and YouTube, Google which owns YouTube, to get our message out in ways that are impactful given that everybody goes to YouTube.
	Isn't there a bigger question of how we address that issue?
	Oh, absolutely.
	And I think there has been a monopoly in the information space for far too long.
	For a decade or so, the left has controlled, through a filter, what the American people can find out.
	If you ask a question on the internet, Google gives you the leftist answer.
	So that's why it was so significant when Elon Musk bought Twitter and said, I'm going to bring free speech there.
	Because he's now turning it into a content platform.
	So he's going to compete against YouTube.
	He's telling YouTube creators to bring their stuff over.
	He said that we're going to have videos.
	We're going to have other, like a sub stack.
	This isn't just going to be, you know, short posts or threads.
	Bumper sticker, you know, this will be actually content platform.
	Yeah.
	And that's good for everybody because then you have the people who were monopolists like Facebook and Instagram and YouTube having to compete against a place where we are not getting penalized.
	Because I had a sensitive filter on my account for a year and a half, where my face was literally grayed out, my profile was grayed out.
	On which platform?
	On Twitter.
	On Twitter?
	Yeah, before Elon went in there.
	Have you been a naughty boy, Jim?
	No, and that's just it.
	The only sensitive content I posted was things that make liberals cry, like we all do, but nothing that could literally, legitimately be called sensitive.
	So the idea of now creating an information space that's at least a less tilted playing field, it's not going to be level.
	for a long time.
	But we got Twitter, moved back a little on the business side.
	Then we put some pressure on them from Congress, House Oversight and other people and the places where we can actually make them talk about the censorship they've been doing.
	Let's put them on the hotspot and try to get the other platforms to start acting like, hey, maybe free speech is a real thing.
	Are you impressed so far with what Elon has divulged on his platform with Twitter files or is it not enough?
	Oh, it's not enough.
	There's so much more.
	But what it does, it gave us enough for people like we do, we investigate that and connect the dots.
	So now I've got names of govies who were involved, government people who were involved, you know, the people at the other social networks, all of the people who are using this collusion because it's illegal, it's unconstitutional for the government to pressure a social media network to censor Americans.
	You can't outsource We can't outsource your contravention of the First Amendment.
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	All right, Jim, we have so much to discuss, but you are an expert in not just kinetic warfare, meaning physical warfare, meaning lead on target, steel on target, but also information warfare.
	You've written about this in your past books.
	Can you just give us a kind of one-on-one on what it is Conservative media.
	So the only thing we own is talk radio.
	I mean, if you're a bag of hate, you can't do talk radio.
	The left has tried again and again and again.
	They always crash.
	I mean, three hours of, you know, screaming and ranting doesn't really work.
	We, thanks to Rush and everybody else and my colleagues at Salem, we own talk radio.
	But it's not enough.
	So as we see conservatives, whether it's The Daily Wire, whether it's Salem or others, venture into these other platforms where there's this left-wing domination, what is it they're missing and what should we be concentrating on to leverage our skills?
	Yeah, you're absolutely right.
	Talk radio saved us.
	When we had nothing, talk radio was the voice in the wilderness coming on your car while you're driving around, and it kept all of us sane.
	Now, that is not going to be where the next generations get their information.
	They get it online.
	They scroll a feed, and we have to be in whatever feed and all of the feeds that are being fed into their little minds.
	Can I just recommend a bumper sticker?
	Absolutely.
	We need to be in the feed.
	Right on!
	I'd sell it at the Gorgon store.
	But that's where it is.
	That's where they decide.
	Before, when you spun the radio dial, You know, oh, I hate that song.
	What's the next station?
	Now I want to hear that song.
	It's the same thing.
	When they're scrolling through a feed, that's what they're doing.
	They're looking for something to catch their interest.
	So how do we as conservatives package our message for all of the many platforms in a way that gets the attention of the people who use that platform?
	So you have the larger strategic messages that date back to the founding principles.
	You know, and fortunately for us, work and are real and are great.
	You know, all the things good about this country and God and family, we own those.
	Now, how do we convey that message in smaller bites?
	You know, in ways that are going to be a flashy and cool and hip and trendy and mimetic.
	So this is the, this is the challenge.
	Let's talk about this because right now there's this kind of paradoxical situation with content.
	Where, you know, there'll be Jordan Peterson's 15-part lecture series on the Old Testament, where you really have to be committed.
	You have to be... I mean, these lectures that he recorded 10 years ago on a cheesy camera in the back of a lecture theater, where you're already bought in, right?
	You like the guy, you heard about him, you're going to sit down for an hour and a half and watch this chapter on Moses, or what have you.
	Likewise, very, very different content, but Joe Rogan.
	He'll sit down with somebody for four hours and talk about, you know, Sasquatch.
	Right.
	Okay?
	And then you have the other stuff, and this is where we have a real challenge, and I'm interested in your recommendations.
	That we've kind of got Dennis Prager and PragerU that led the way with these animatics and these Maximums.
	Explainers.
	Yeah, explainers that are max seven minutes long, sometimes just five minutes long, that take a big issue, like The Second Amendment or free speech and boil it down into a snappy, fun, colorful little video.
	And then we're competing against TikTok and Instagram with 30-second reels.
	You know, 60-second reels.
	So how do we get that massive content into that funnel where we're touching the 15-year-old mentally on that issue?
	How big a challenge is that, Jim?
	It's massive.
	And as you mentioned, it is a funnel.
	If you post a one-minute video or any short video on any of the major social channels, 90% of the people are gone inside of 10 seconds.
	So you have to grab them.
	You've got 10 seconds to get their attention, period.
	So the idea is in building and grabbing attention, and then once you've got their attention, you have to have something for them.
	All right, okay, now I'm paying attention.
	I've decided to interrupt my scrolling of my feed.
	What do you got for me?
	And then you've got probably another 20 seconds to hook them.
	And if you hook them, then you can say, now, if you think this is cool, go see my six hour lecture about Moses porting the Red Sea, you know, over here.
	But you have to be able to do that.
	And you have to have those smaller pieces.
	They're like ads.
	You know, essentially, at some level, it's advertising, it's throwing, it's casting bread upon the waters, you know, to go ahead and bring people to the rest of your content.
	And it has to be tailored for each platform, because they're totally different.
	You know, it's strange.
	You'd think, oh, it's a one-minute video here, it's a one-minute video here.
	Nah, a video for Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, whatever, all have a different flavor.
	And if you're not in the right flavor, Kids are going to push your stuff to the side.
	And we're talking kids, Gen Z, millennials, all of them.
	Millennials now, instead of music on the radio, they listen to podcasts.
	My daughter, who is 30, when we're driving in the car, she's like, what podcast would you like to listen to?
	I'm like, what?
	My 23-year-old son, he just graduated, we had to drive his car from California to the East Coast.
	He was halfway through a 50-part podcast on Napoleon and we spent hours in the car listening to what Napoleon had for breakfast one morning before, you know, which battle, which kind of gives me hope because it means it's not just the ephemera and the transitory that interest You can lead them to the promised land.
	Books on tape is what podcasts now are on demand.
	So what you've got to do, though, is in the course of the wild chaos of the socials, you have to gather the attention of people and say, hey, you know what?
	You and me, we're seeing eye to eye on something.
	Now go over here and I'll explain it to you.
	This is the hook.
	You know, and this is the album that the hook and that song are played on.
	That's a technical term, hook, by the way.
	That's a musical thing, if you're a little younger.
	What you say about the different platforms is so fascinating, because I've watched over time, because I, apart from the videos, I post everything on my social media feeds.
	My friend John does the videos.
	And for example, I'm a visual person.
	I love visuals.
	Images mostly, but also videos.
	And I'll try and post the same image on everything that I find that's cool.
	And it'll be great on Facebook, it'll be okay on Instagram.
	On Twitter, it dies for some reason.
	And I watched Charlie Kirk, and Charlie Kirk's Biggest tweets are just words.
	So for some reason, on Twitter, people aren't expecting, because it's such a small little window, they're not expecting something visual.
	They just want a punchy, whatever, tagline.
	But if you're going to Facebook, it's completely different.
	So you've really got to customize it for each platform, correct?
	Absolutely.
	And I think in the course of that, watch the feedback you get and adapt.
	So, okay, if I need this, I do it all the time.
	On Twitter, I have a point I want to make and I want to make the full point in 280 characters.
	And I got to say, you know what?
	Make it in one or two sentences and then thread a tweet behind it that then starts giving them more.
	Bait them in, show them this, and they say, hey, you and me, eye to eye, we're talking here.
	Here's some more info.
	Pull them in.
	And by the way, a little trick I learned from Charlie.
	If you're on Twitter, separate your text.
	A little space between each line.
	I don't know.
	For some reason it just works.
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	All right, so we've talked about Crowder, Daily Wire, social media.
	Oh!
	Could I ask you a theory?
	The arrest of the former head of counterintelligence for the FBI in New York, a central figure in the whole Russia hoax thing.
	Why are they arresting this guy?
	Yeah, it's kind of funny.
	It's kind of weird, right?
	It's all kind of weird, and it's going to end up turning out that Trump was the only one who didn't have any Russia ties in this whole thing.
	I don't know.
	I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes.
	Is this kind of distraction?
	The Democrats, they're worried about something.
	Is it a distraction move, or are his crimes too massive?
	Why does Peter Strzok get a job on CNN, and this guy get busted and put in jail?
	And between that and the classified documents and the rest, it seems like there's some kind of... You remember the Modified Limited Hangout from Watergate days?
	It was where you drop a little piece of bad information about something to try and immunize it when the really bad stuff comes out?
	It feels like that to me.
	It feels like there's dropping a few crumbs.
	So you think there could be another shoe to drop that's bigger?
	Yeah, and they want to distract people.
	You know, now we're looking at all these other things, and oh, well, then, oh, boom!
	This happens, and they want it to be less bad.
	Any form of hyperbole, if you put it into historic context.
	I mean, if this were the Cold War, this is a Hansen-level thing.
	I mean, to have a chief of counterintelligence for the Bureau's biggest field office in New York be busted, that's like Hansen working for the KGB.
	It's stunning to think I mean, because the Russians are our enemies.
	I don't care what anybody says or ever has said, they always have been, they always will be at best a frenemy, and probably not that.
	To be helping them in any way behind the scenes while you're working inside our state security apparatus, that's horrifying.
	I smell a rotten fish in their headquarters somewhere.
	And just to be as dumb, As to sit in a car and say, bring the $250,000 in cash to the meeting and I'll take it from you in my parked car.
	This is ahead of counterintelligence?
	That's pretty bad tradecraft.
	That's pretty crappy tradecraft!
	That's like, what is it, Stroke and Page texting each other there, don't worry if Trump wins, we've got a plan B on their government blackberries.
	The insurance plan.
	Oh yeah, real smart ones there.
	The irony, again, gotta ask you, just what are you feeling in your marrow of the continued, now it's Pence as well, but the continued Biden classified files.
	Is this...
	Is this the Dems throwing him under the bus?
	For me, I smell a kind of somebody just wants revenge on him.
	And it could be a Dem.
	Could be personal, could be animus.
	We are two years out.
	What's your take, Jim?
	You know, it's funny.
	I mean, remember, he used to swim naked in front of the Secret Service when he was a vice president.
	You never know if some Secret Service agent is like, you know, I knew about this and now might be a good time to jab him in the eye.
	Or like you said, his staff could be getting ready to push him out of the way because they know they've been nursing him along since he was running, since the campaign.
	So he hasn't been competent ever.
	You know, and they know they don't want him to run in 2024.
	Jill doesn't want to leave the White House.
	She's the big problem.
	Oh really?
	She's a horrible person.
	But she's like got her claws in the carpet.
	She's having fun wearing those drapes and those pieces of upholstery she wears.
	Oh my gosh, what was she wearing two days ago?
	You look like a Rorschach test.
	I mean, I got a headache looking at that dress.
	She's a painful and bad human being and she's been running his puppet strings for too long and she likes it.
	But Kamala's only gonna be worse, right Jim?
	She's horrible, but who cares?
	At this point, they're all irrelevant.
	It's the puppet masters behind the scenes.
	Neither one of them will do anything worse than the people who are actually doing it.
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	But I know you're a big gun guy, not just a weapon sergeant, but a big gun guy today.
	You carry cocked and locked.
	You sent us a very interesting, timely comment on what dropped last week.
	So the ATF has retroactively, after deeming an appliance you put on a pistol to make it more usable, especially by injured veterans, they have deemed these pieces of plastic or rubber, which are called pistol braces, to actually be Banned.
	To be forbidden.
	Ordering all Americans who own them to either register them with the ATF or to automatically become felons.
	And the estimates are that they have produced in this nation between 20 and 40 million braces in just the last few years.
	What's your take on all of this Mr. Weapons?
	Well, the rationale for regulating them as what becomes a short-barreled rifle.
	So you take an AR pistol, which looks like an AR rifle, but it's just that short, and it doesn't have a buttstock.
	Right.
	So these things extend out the rear to either strap to your arm, and they started coming actually far enough that you could hold the gun at your shoulder.
	The ATF said, aha, we think you now have made a short-barreled rifle, which is illegal under the National Firearms Act.
	The reason it's illegal was a court case called Miller v. USA, or USA v. Miller, that said sawed-off shotguns were illegal in 1939.
	Right, it goes back to, you know, the days of Al Capone, when short-barreled rifles and machine guns were deemed to be, you know, super scary criminal.
	And back then, they said, if you want one of these, including a machine gun, you have to register it with the Feds, and you have to pay $200, which back then, Huge amount of money, right?
	So basically this was to disenfranchise gun owners.
	And a few years ago, I think like five or six years ago, these braces erupted after, you know, a lot of veterans needed help.
	And the ATF actually issued a letter where they said, yeah, no, this is not a stock.
	This is fine.
	You can put it on your rifle.
	And now they've just changed their mind, Jim.
	Well, now they're divining the intent of the person who has it and says, oh, no, no, you're using that now to make that a rifle.
	The problem they have is the rationale under that Miller ruling for banning them as a short barreled rifle, even if you're using it as stock.
	Let's say, OK, yeah, sure, it's a shoulder stock.
	I'm using it now.
	I've got a 14 and a half inch barrel AR with an extendable stock.
	It was because they are not in common use or useful for service in the militia, i.e.
	something that the military uses.
	And in Miller, they said the sawed-off shotgun can't be used because there's no military use for it, which is what the 2A is designed to give you, the same thing an individual soldier has.
	Well, guess what?
	The US military uses the M4 carbine, right?
	And if the average citizen is supposed to have access to the same type of weapon as the individual soldier, the M4 carbine has a 14 and a half inch barrel.
	It's under the barrel length of that legislation, of that regulation.
	Ding, ding, ding.
	Boo!
	So now that's unconstitutional.
	So now they've essentially, the NFA, the National Firearms Act, is unconstitutional as is the ATF's rule about that.
	And I have a feeling Clarence Thomas is aware of this and is just waiting for something to float up the food chain so he can write another opinion and say, no, no, no.
	If you guys want to say that it's illegal under the NFA, the NFA is based on the idea that it's not useful to the military.
	Well, it obviously is if they're using it.
	Well, and not only that, if you look at the last... I'm getting... I'm gonna, you know, gun geek out here.
	Apologies.
	If you look at the last few years of G1, especially the last...
	six, seven years of G-Watt.
	It's not even the M4 that's sexy, especially for guys that are bragging elsewhere.
	They've taken gun barrel lengths down to 10 and 11 inches.
	So our operators, especially those that are using suppressors, are using 11 inch ARs.
	Which is, that's pistol category, that's NFA category. - It's exactly what the ATF just outlawed and turned a whole bunch of legal gun owners into felons if they don't go ahead and bow down and submit.
	So I have a feeling there will be a case go up.
	Some smart Second Amendment lawyer should be doing it right now.
	Have you seen anybody use this argument that's part of a gun organization?
	I just was researching the concept.
	And I hadn't thought of.
	I hadn't thought of the fact, how long's the barrel on that?
	Because it's in military use is the rationale for banning them.
	Or not in military use.
	So I haven't seen it yet.
	Hopefully if you hear it and you're a 2A lawyer, look it up.
	I'm right.
	And it was Justice Thomas who gave us the decision on, it's not militia, it's the Second Amendment is individual right to bear arms.
	And I know, by the way, because we share the same FFL, we have the same gun dealer, I and Justice Thomas.
	He's a gun guy!
	He's a gun guy, so he's just waiting.
	I bet he's perched.
	So what do you think?
	Because there's a 120-day limit until this unconstitutional regulation kicks in.
	It was issued last Friday, so the clock is ticking.
	Do you think this has legs?
	Is it going to have to be a year from now that it's challenged?
	Are there going to be a lot of boating accidents for people owning these braces?
	Yeah, I'm down to nothing but pellet pistols because of all mine are gone.
	I have a feeling they'll get a preliminary injunction out of Scotus.
	Oh, like an emergency hearing?
	Yeah, and just get it all the way up there.
	Because otherwise, they went too far, first of all.
	They divined intent.
	Come on!
	I mean, we don't want bureaucrats guessing what I'm going to use something for and making me a felon.
	And they did.
	They made too many felonies out of it.
	And they contradicted themselves after telling people, oh, this is fine.
	And they're wrong.
	So I think there's so many good reasons that the Supreme Court will put a stay on implementing the rule.
	And then we'll go ahead and hear it out.
	And I can't see any way past them declaring at least that part of the National Firearms Act unconstitutional.
	Tell Congress to rewrite it.
	Which makes fun, because then we've got suppressors and other things.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, in many states of Europe, Finland, for example, is one of them that I know for sure, silencers, suppressors, you buy them over the counter like you're buying a wrench, because it's the civilized way to shoot.
	Why would you want to wake up your neighbor?
	Why would you want to have to wear hearing protection when you're hunting?
	So maybe we should have a lack of regulation on suppressors, on short-barreled rifles, which I love and I have many of, and short-barreled shotguns because they're just so cute.
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	Let's ask the easy question.
	This is softball.
	What do conservatives have to get right in the next two years?
	What is priority number one?
	Winning elections.
	At this point, we have a broken system on our political right.
	It's populated by grifter consultants who make the same 30-second attack ads over and over.
	And who still get contracts after they lose elections.
	Yeah, and so I think we need to do what we have to in every state based on the current laws to win elections, change the stupid laws once we get in, but until then we have to ballot harvest, we have to early vote, we have to do all of the things the left's been doing to kill us, and I think what that'll do is that's going to create some landslides in places they're not expecting them, and some wins in places where we've never won before.
	So let's do that, because we can't do anything from the outside.
	You know, and that's where we are.
	We screwed up the last election.
	We over-promised and under-delivered.
	It's time to get that right.
	Obviously, I'm backing Harmeet Dhillon for RNC chair because Ron McDaniel is nothing but a failure.
	So I hope, whatever happens, that whoever's running that organization and the rest of our organizations stops looking at the past and paying their idiot cousins from the country club huge consulting fees and brings in some fighters who can win.
	But, you know, on being on the outside, what do we do about the left's seeming success to make sure that nobody who's a decent American would ever work in a Republican White House or administration?
	Fair question.
	You know, I mean, I wouldn't.
	You know, not because I'm scared of it.
	Because, I mean, come on.
	My skeletons have long since been exposed and I don't care.
	But I'm not most people.
	Most people don't want their life just under a microscope and lies and smears and everything else.
	So are you saying you'd do it, Jim?
	Can we get you to be in the Defense Department along with maybe Kurt Schlichter?
	That could be fun.
	Me and Schlichter have an ongoing agreement.
	I'm Warlord of the East, he's Warlord of the West.
	But those are unofficial positions.
	So for the well-regulated militia, we are in those jobs, but that's about it.
	No, but I think the idea that our people have to face those smears to get good people in is a huge challenge.
	And we have to have the power in Congress to defund and root out the parts of the permanent bureaucracy deep state that are doing that and also break the conglomerates and the monopolies in the media and big tech and then we can at least fight a fair battle.
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