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Bob Frantz LIVE: Has the Left killed Dr. King's dream?
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Thank you.
Dr. G, thank you so much for the wonderful introduction.
Thank you so much for the opportunity on this Martin Luther King Day holiday today to sit in and guest host America First.
I certainly appreciate the opportunity and I certainly appreciate the phenomenal conversation I have every time I talk to the America First audience.
So welcome.
We have got a lot of very important things to discuss today.
And we've got a couple of really important and interesting people to discuss them with.
One of them you know very, very well because he is one of the bulldogs, one of the stalwart conservatives, one of the co-founders of the Freedom Caucus in the House of Representatives in the United States Congress.
He is now the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
He is now the chairman of the House, the subcommittee under Judiciary on Weaponization of the Federal Government Against the American People.
He is Congressman Jim Jordan from my home state here of Ohio.
And he's going to be joining us.
At the top of our third hour today at 5 o'clock Eastern, 2 o'clock Pacific Time.
And believe me, you're not going to want to miss that.
We have a lot of very important things to discuss.
At the top of the next hour...
Coming up one hour from now-ish, we're going to be talking with Adam Coleman, who is a very, very interesting guy who writes a blog.
He's a blogger.
He has got a sub-stack.
He is a public speaker.
And he is an African American who essentially was red-pilled by his own description.
He voted Republican for the first time this year.
And he is speaking out about some very important things.
His sub-stack is called Speaking Wrong at the Right Time.
And we're going to talk to him.
at the top of the next hour about the same thing that I want to talk about with you in this hour.
And that is the dream.
You know, very few people know a great deal about the legacy, the life, the work, the history of the great civil rights icon, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Most people know him only from his great speech, the I Have a Dream speech.
They may know him from marches.
They may know him from some other... You should know him for his pledge of non-violence, which he asked his marchers and his supporters and his protesters, who are screaming for civil rights, that he asked them to take.
It was extraordinary.
It was very important.
I actually re-read those today at the urging of one of my callers on my home station here in Cleveland, which is WHK Radio, AM 1420, The Answer.
You can hear my daily show from 9 to noon here Eastern Time.
He should be known as much for that, and of course, all of his life's work of trying to advance the cause of civil rights, trying to advance the cause of equality, not equity, trying to advance the cause of, well, colorblindness.
Am I right?
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
had a dream!
Today, as he said, so forcefully, His dream was to one day see his children living in a nation in which they would be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
The literal dream that people talk about from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
and it's one of the primary reasons that in his tragic assassination that we have a national holiday dedicated to civil rights and to him as a civil rights icon and leader.
The dream was what was supposed to inspire people to work even after his death Toward colorblindness.
Toward unity among races, particularly the black and the white race.
They are not the only races represented in this melting pot, in this very diverse culture and society that we call the United States of America.
But they are the two primary races that have been at odds for obvious reasons.
From Jim Crow, pre-civil rights, segregation, of course going all the way back to slavery, the black and white races, the dream of Martin Luther King Jr.
was so articulately and eloquently and forcefully and sincerely and passionately explained and exclaimed in 1963, and that is the dream of a colorblind society.
One in which little black children and little white children and all children can sit around the table of unity together holding hands and nobody caring what color they were.
Right?
That was the dream.
Colorblindness.
Where you look at a person and you decide what you think of them based on what they do.
Not how they look.
On what they say.
Not how they look.
On what they strive to be, not on the color of their skin.
That was the dream.
And now here we sit, six decades later.
Six decades later, have we achieved the dream?
Have we accomplished What Dr. King wanted for this country and for his children and his children's children and yours and mine, have we accomplished it?
No, we haven't.
And do you want to know why?
Because the American left refuses to allow it.
Because the American left absolutely does not dream the same dream that Dr. King dreamed.
The American left has no interest whatsoever in colorblindness.
As a matter of fact, the American left will tell you directly, colorblindness is racism.
They will tell you that Dr. King was wrong.
Let me tell you that Dr. Martin Luther King was striving for the wrong thing because colorblindness is racist.
This is what we're told today, every single day, by radicals and Marxists, otherwise known as the American left, otherwise known in simpler terms as the Democrat Party.
They tell us every single day that colorblindness is racism.
That you have to not only see color, you must seek it out.
You must make sure you identify people by the color of their skin, not the content of their characters, so that you know how to treat them.
That if you recognize a person's light hue, The light color of their epidermis, you have to treat them as the oppressors that they are!
That they themselves are guilty of sins committed by other people who had lighter hues on their skin centuries ago.
They're oppressors because they're the descendants of oppressors.
It's in their DNA.
You have to treat them as such.
And you have to seek out and identify darker colored skin and treat them as such.
Treat them as the victims they clearly are.
Because people who looked like them centuries ago were treated inhumanely.
So therefore they themselves are being treated inhumanely.
They themselves must be recognized for their suffering.
And they must be given reparations, and they must be given free things, and extra opportunities, and separate, separate but equal, strangely enough, post-civil rights, post-segregation, separate but equal, and in fact a little bit better than equal accommodations, because of past injustices.
Today, the American left has killed the dream that Martin Luther King Jr.
had, and announced, and promoted, and shared with the rest of the country, maybe the rest of the world.
They've killed it.
And they've done so intentionally?
Which is why today, on Martin Luther King Day 2023, I am calling on every American leftist, every American progressive, every American liberal, to not celebrate MLK Day.
Because you don't celebrate MLK, the man, and his dream.
You have intentionally killed that which he strived so hard to build.
I'll explain more as we continue.
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Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
And we do continue now from the ReliefFactor.com studios of AM 1420.
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To the point that I was trying to make in the opening monologue, and I want to now ask you to be a part of this conversation, 833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752.
Do you believe that Dr. King's dream is still alive?
Is there any hope, given the state of the racially divided states of America we're in right now?
Do you believe there's any chance whatsoever that this country will achieve what Dr. King defined as his dream in 1963?
That all persons of all colors will not be recognized by those colors.
They will be recognized by what they do, what they say, how they act, how they treat others, what they do for themselves and for others.
Not by the color of their skin, which is what the dream was.
And I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about when I say, is it dead?
And you tell me if you think I'm being pessimistic or if I'm being too cynical, and maybe I am!
I know it is cynical to say this.
I know it is pessimism to say this, but I also believe myself to be, in addition to a pessimist and a cynic, I'm a realist.
And I don't know that there's any coming back from what has been done to us by the American left along the lines of race in the last five years, in the last ten years.
I mean, I could literally say, going back to the Civil Rights Act itself, which the American left and the Democrats opposed.
But more specifically, in recent years, there has been an outcry, not, you know, specific.
We have heard outcries in the previous decades that maybe have indicated there's still a long way to go before we achieve racial equality.
In those decades, the goal was still racial equality, and that is not the goal today.
Today's American left does not want racial equality.
They want racial equity, which of course, the difference being Equality means everybody has the opportunity to do what they want with themselves.
All laws apply to all persons equally.
All opportunities are given to all persons equally.
Equity means everybody lands in the same place whether they try or not.
Whether they work hard and try to advance themselves and try to achieve and get a 4.0 GPA and get a National Merit Scholarship, or whether they sleep through classes, skip classes, maybe barely get by with a 2.0 and then get mad that somebody else got a scholarship they didn't get.
Well, equity says we both get the scholarship or nobody gets the scholarship.
That's equity versus equality.
And in recent years, we've been told equity is the goal, not equality.
Which means that the dream of MLK Jr.
is dead.
And if you don't believe me, look at the evil, divisive, horrific tool for racial division and racial discord and racial disharmony that is CRT.
Critical theory in and of itself is not specifically race.
Critical theory is a Marxist theory that says to divide people, divide them into classes of oppressors and victims.
Now you can do that in a number of ways, in a number of different demographic factors.
Critical race theory obviously chooses the race factor.
And it plays upon long-held divisions and wrongs that were righted Decades ago!
Centuries ago, actually!
Wrongs that were righted and paid for in blood, in lives, in treasure, in order to atone for those wrongs and to create the most just and most extraordinary society and force for good in the history of all human civilization that we are in right now, right here!
And the goal of CRT is to end all of that.
Critical race theory says, just like critical theory says divide people into the two classes in race, it's oppressors and victims.
Oppressors have light colored skin, victims have dark colored skin.
As such, the dream of Dr. King is dead.
Because they say to be colorblind.
And look at who I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the likes of Ibram X. Kendi.
I'm talking about the likes of Patrice Cullors, the Marxist and co-founder of BLM, which is a Marxist organization that has been used to fleece and rob and steal from black people in this country ever since its founding.
And they stole so much money to the tune of buying multiple million dollar mansions for themselves, talking about Patrice Cullors and her co-founders and girlfriends and wives or whatever it is.
Stole so much money and are doing nothing for the actual black community, which is what one would think something called Black Lives Matter would be interested in doing, but they're not.
What they are interested in doing is continuing to divide.
And what they say, and what anti-racism says, that if you recognize people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin, you are treating them as equals.
You are treating and evaluating them based on what their merit is.
What do they bring to the table?
What do they do?
What do they achieve?
What do they try to do?
What kind of effort do they put forth?
Judging people by merit?
is racist in the eyes of the American left.
You judge them by how they look first.
Then maybe we'll talk about after we decide that everybody based on their appearance is in one class or the other, then maybe we'll talk about where they go and what they do.
If you are not anti-racist, the teaching goes, you are a racist.
You can't just be like, hey, I see a white person over there and a black person over there and they're the They have the same opportunity.
No!
If you don't see that white person as the seed and the spawn with the DNA of evil inside of him, and if you don't see that darker colored person over there as a victim who is constantly going to be oppressed and never going to be given a fair shake by the system, if you don't see it that way, you are a racist.
This is what we're being taught.
Is MLK's dream dead or not?
833-33-GORKA.
If I'm wrong, dispute me.
I'm going to bring this stuff up to my guest Adam Coleman in about 30 minutes, and I'll ask him to dispute me if I'm wrong.
But I really want to know.
Am I misreading the signs?
Because I look all over this great country, and here's what I see.
Sheila Jackson Lee, Congresswoman, Texas, just introduced a bill a week ago.
You know what that bill does?
It criminalizes criticism of non-white people by white people.
Wait, what?
House Bill 61, introduced solely by Sheila Jackson Lee, says that any white person who criticizes or vilifies non-white persons or non-white groups can be charged with committing a federal hate crime.
If somebody commits a crime against that group, even if you don't know them, you have never talked to them, you don't inspire them, anybody who goes public with criticism of a non-white person is considered to be guilty of promoting white supremacy.
And that would be a federal hate crime.
This is where we are.
Dream?
What dream?
They killed the dream!
But here we are on MLK Day, trying to figure it out together.
We'll be right back.
Thank you.
I'm Seb Gawker.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
Yes, indeed.
Let's do that.
33 minutes past the hour.
As you know, the SHOT Show is back for 2023, and it is here, and Dr. G is there, live, right now, the private show, giving everyone, including you, an advanced look at the best outdoor and shooting gear coming later this year.
So, Dr. G is at the SHOT Show in Las Vegas, and I am glad to be sitting in for him on America First.
Phone lines are open at 833-33-GORKA.
We're talking about MLK Day today.
How can we not?
How can we talk about whether or not we're achieving and moving toward the goal, or whether or not we have already lost it and lost our way?
833-334-6752.
First call is going to come from Los Angeles, and that's where we welcome Sephora to the broadcast.
Sephora, it's Bob Ferencini in for Dr. G. Go right ahead.
Not hearing Sephora.
Sephora, can you hear me?
Okay, I'm not hearing her, so we'll have to fix that.
There's a button that needs to be pushed that isn't pushed, or a button that is pushed that shouldn't be pushed, but either way, we need to try to make that work.
Alright, are we hearing her through the studio?
Nobody's hearing her.
Okay, let's move and see if it's a problem with that line, or maybe it's Sephora is not there, but let's go to line two, which is Mike in Las Vegas, Nevada.
Mike, can you hear us?
Yeah, I can hear you.
Okay, welcome to the show.
Go right ahead.
Well, basically, you know, all this stuff is going on.
This is systemic, started with systemic racism, but we need to get rid of lawyers.
Anyway, Whoopi Goldberg is a woman and she's a black and she's a billionaire.
So in America, how is it possible that there's even any type of racism when a majority of the black people, the jobs they have are high end, they're billionaires, millionaires, and they're the ones that start You know, donating money to the people that need help.
Not just, if you're black, you donate to black.
If you're Hispanic, you donate to Hispanic.
If you're Mexican or Irish, you donate to Irish.
It should be everybody gets stuff.
But that's not the way that America is anymore.
A handshake used to be a contract.
Okay, let me dispel a couple of things there that I think you said that were incorrect and maybe you just misspoke.
First of all, I don't think Whoopi Goldberg is a billionaire with a B. Very few billionaires in the world, but she is a millionaire, probably many times over.
Second thing is, you said that the majority of blacks are in positions of great, great, I forgot how you phrased that bit, but the majority of them are not wealthy.
Just like the majority of whites are not wealthy.
The majority of whites are middle class to lower middle class because that's where we all fall.
There are very few people that qualify as being part of the proverbial 1% or 2% or whatever.
So I wouldn't say that, but your larger point is the right one.
And that is, if a country can be so systemically racist as those on the American left want us to believe, then how is it that African Americans can rise to great heights in so many different ways, whether they be as business owners, whether they be as authors, whether they be as celebrities, movie stars, directors, whatever it is they do so well, doctors, whatever it is, if they're so
discriminated against, that their opportunities are taken away from them in a systemic manner, how does it happen?
And the answer is, we are not a systemically racist nation.
Does that mean there is no such thing as racism?
Thank you for the call, Dave.
Does that mean there is no racism in the world?
Of course not!
Is there racism in the United States?
Sure!
You want to know why?
Because the United States is made up and is comprised of what?
Human beings.
And guess what human beings do?
Some human beings like things for no explainable reason.
Some people hate things for no apparent or explainable reason.
And it's not unique to black and white.
There is racism among virtually every ethnicity or racial group and subgroup that there is in the world.
Do you know what racism is pervading in Asia?
Do you know how many Asian cultures hate and are very, very biased against other Asian cultures?
It's extraordinary.
I was talking to an expert on that subject just literally last week on my program in Cleveland, Ohio, and it is incredible some of the animosity and some of the hatred there is just for being a different race, just for being a different type of person from that region of the world.
Do you know how much individual racism that there is among persons and people and ethnicities in Europe?
In the Middle East?
And yes, here in the United States.
Are there some black people who hate white people?
For no real apparent reason?
Yeah!
Are there some white people who hate black people?
For no apparent reason?
Yeah!
All of these things are racism.
But the question is about systemic racism.
The question is about institutional racism.
And those things were wiped out in this country decades and decades and decades ago.
At least six of them, going back to the Civil Rights Act.
I've got more I want to hear from you.
833-33-GORKA.
Bob France sitting in for Dr. G.
Thank you.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob Frantz.
17 minutes before the top of the hour and we do continue.
Bob Frantz sitting in for Dr. G. Appreciate you being a part of the journey today.
833-33 Gorka is the phone number.
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Coming to you live from Cleveland, Ohio in the ReliefFactor.com studios of AM 1420, The Answer.
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Let's go back to the phones.
We're going to go to Arkansas now, where, how about that?
Dave in Arkansas has a brand new governor, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, running the show after her father did in Arkansas.
Very, very cool.
Dave, welcome to the show.
Go right ahead.
Hello?
Yes, Dave, go right ahead, sir.
Thank you.
Yeah, this is great.
This is one of my... Hey, Dave, if you're on a speaker... Hey, Dave, you sound like you're in a tunnel.
If you're on a speaker, could you pick it up and hold the handset?
Sure, hold on.
Yeah, go ahead Dave.
Yeah, yeah, great.
everybody listening on their car in their cars as well.
So that tunnel is just real hard.
Yeah, go ahead, Dave. - Yeah, great.
I was saying that this is one of my favorite topics, so I'm really glad to be talking to you.
I could talk forever.
Regarding, I guess we'll start with, since it's Martin Luther King's Day, and you were talking about the importance of blacks being judged by character instead of color, correct?
No, not blacks.
The importance of everybody.
That was what Dr. King's dream was, is that all children one day live in a nation where we all are judged by the content of our character, not the color of our skin.
That's what the left has killed.
Okay, fine.
I would say that regarding blacks, if we can talk just about blacks, I would say that they're not judged by the color of their skin as a starting point.
And let's see, I think you were talking about CRT and how that leads to division, or its goal is division.
And I would say that the division... Well, it's not its goal.
It's not its goal, Dave, to be clear.
It's its definition.
Critical theory, whether it be race theory, critical gender theory, critical theory as it was literally written and intended is to divide.
It creates a class of oppressors and a class of victims to automatically put them at odds with the goal of splitting them in their general populations and thus crumbling whatever it is that they occupy, and in this case it would be a free republic.
The goal is to literally kill it from within by dividing its people, and that's what critical race theory does.
It's why they're trying to get to the children at a very young age, to teach little white kids to be afraid of little black kids, and teach little black kids to be afraid of little white kids.
Teach white kids to hate their own race, hate their own skin color, because it makes them an oppressor.
Teach little black kids to feel less than, because they're always going to be victimized.
That's what critical theory does.
It's not a goal.
That's its existence.
Okay, fine.
My only point is that I think some divisions are natural.
Okay, and then you were saying something about... Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, Dave.
Finish the thought there.
You're kind of just like, you're doing drive-bys here.
Give me some depth to that when you say some divisions are natural.
What does that mean?
Oh, okay.
Well, I could talk for a long time on all of these points.
Okay, as far as your question, for example, I would say that Whites have always, since the first time they encountered blacks, whites have always separated themselves from blacks.
It has nothing to do with CRT.
What do you mean, whites since they first encountered blacks?
Generally speaking, populations of the same demographic are, quote-unquote, separated from others simply by the nature of their demography.
In other words, their location, their geography, the fact that when they procreate, they procreate people who look just like themselves, they live in their same communities, and that has happened not only on a geographical level, from a national and country level, to a community level, when people of different colors merge together in one great big diverse melting pot city, what do you get?
You get Chinatown.
You get black neighborhoods, you get white neighborhoods, you get Little Havana, or Havana North, if you will, down in Miami.
People tend to congregate within their own races.
That doesn't mean they have disgust or any kind of hatred for the other races, simply because they're communal with one another.
Can you hear me?
I hear you, yeah.
Okay, great.
Yeah, it's natural.
I thought you were saying that CRT, what were your words?
I think you're confusing people living within people who are within their own demographic groups with people hating people in other demographic groups.
So are you saying that because people live in, generally speaking, they like to live among people who look like themselves, who they grew up with, whether they be black or white or Hispanic or Asian or European or whatever, you're saying because they like to live near one another, they hate others that don't live with them?
It's not looks.
It's personality.
It has nothing to do with looks.
Well, it does when we're talking about race, because CRT doesn't talk about personality, Dave.
CRT teaches if you have white skin or light skin, peach colored skin, it's in your DNA to be an oppressor, to be a hater, to revile and want to control other people who have darker skin.
This is what it's taught, okay?
And in CRT, the personality of the young black child doesn't matter.
You have dark skin, therefore you are a victim.
And you must look for some sort of recourse, or recompense, or some sort of reparation from those who have oppressed you, and continue to oppress you, and those who have oppressed your ancestors.
What their personality is doesn't matter according to CRT.
That's who you are, and that's what you are, and there is no control over it.
That's what CRT teaches.
Do you understand that?
So CRT says that what can we say that CRT teaches that whites naturally avoid black?
Can we say that?
No.
CRT teaches that whites own and oppress and try to do harm to blacks.
It's in their nature to oppress other people who are darker skinned than they are.
And CRT teaches those people with darker skin that they're going to be oppressed.
See, here's what, and Dave, I appreciate the call, I gotta get to some other folks, but I do appreciate your phone call from Arkansas.
Listen.
What makes CRT so dangerous and why it kills, literally murders Martin Luther King Jr.' 's dream.
The dream of little kids being judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin.
The reason they do that is schools teach little black kids that they're victims and teach little white kids that they're racist oppressors.
And then they put them out on the playground together and say, okay, interact.
I taught one to hate the other and one to fear the other, and now I'm going to watch and see what happens.
And you think racial unity is going to be the result?
That's what CRT does.
I'll be back. I'll be back.
I'll be back.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
Probably hard to believe, right, that we have not discussed the documents, not even once yet, in hour number one of America First.
We will.
Coming up in the third hour in particular, we're going to talk about that, among other things, with Jim Jordan, who is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, who's going to be in charge of a lot of investigation.
A lot of oversight and a lot of accountability of the Biden administration and the and the Democrat federal government.
So that's coming up.
You don't want to miss that.
We're going to talk about a little bit next hour, too, but just to let you know, it's there.
We'll go next to Orlando, Florida on line two and say welcome to America.
First, David Bob France sitting in for Dr. G. Go ahead, sir.
Yes.
The only thing I want to mention was, if I can pronounce the word, systemic racism.
Yes, sir.
I see that every day, you know.
I'm from the Old South, anyhow.
But that's all caused by the Democrats.
That started way back in slave days when they wouldn't let them read or learn how to read.
And then they kept them out of certain schools.
And back in Jim Crow, they had to work, you know, when they were ten years old, eight years old, they had to work in the Parents sort of dad's uh farm and uh you know the farming read the rental and then they won't let them you know won't let them go to the schools they want to go to they have to go to these inner city schools where they aren't learning anything and that's just going to keep some all that education is going to keep them down and that's the democrats have been doing that forever they're even doing that today
with school choice.
You know, they don't like people to have school choice. - Oh no, they want people trapped into the bad schools based on their zip codes.
Where you live is where you go to school and that's the way it's gonna be.
Now, let me say this in response to that, because Dave, you make a, David, thank you for the call, sir.
You make a very good point.
Yes, the Democrats were absolutely, the Democrat party were the party that was responsible for the segregation, responsible for the discrimination, responsible for the lack of civil rights.
They opposed the Civil Rights Act all the way up until its signing.
The Democrats are absolutely responsible for much of the systemic racism that existed during the Jim Crow era.
But, what we're talking about today, post-Civil Rights Act, what we're talking about today
The only real quote-unquote systemic discrimination that exists in my view today is that which the Democrats encourage minorities, ethnic racial minorities, not just blacks but oftentimes Hispanics too, generally speaking they're the ones with the highest poverty rates, they encourage the welfare state, they encourage single motherhood, they encourage women not to get married by providing them
With more money, the more children they have when they're not married, when there's no dad.
They provide them with an incentive to be a part of what is known as the welfare state, what is known as the entitlement state, if you will.
And they do encourage that, yes.
And what they do is they kind of play these mind games.
It's why Joe Biden said, if you ain't voting for me, then you ain't black.
Because he knows that with the welfare state perpetuated by Democrats, ethnic minorities are so grateful to get the handouts from the government that they'll say, keep them coming.
I'll vote for you if you keep them coming.
If you want to call that systemic racism, we might have a discussion.
But those are the individuals that I said are responsible for killing MLK's dream.
Conservatives and people who actually get it and understand it, the ones who believe in the dream, should celebrate this day.
We'll be back.
Thank you for joining us on America First with today's very special guest host, Cleveland's own Bob France.
Hour number two underway on America First.
I appreciate you being here and I appreciate you, Dr. G, for giving me another shot to talk to your phenomenal audience.
I always enjoy it every time I am guest hosting, so thanks everyone for being a part of it.
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You can catch me there at whkradio.com if you are so inclined.
If you like what you hear and what we talk about, I would love to have you be a part of that local program as well.
But for now, I want to go back and stick with our theme today.
We're talking about MLK Day.
We're talking about MLK Day 23.
We're talking about what the dream was.
We're talking about whether or not 60 years on, it's dead, or if it is still in progress, in the process of being achieved.
I've made a pretty, I think, compelling case that it is dead, and it's been killed by the American left.
literally that says what Dr. King wanted is not what they're teaching.
They're teaching the exact opposite of judging by content of character rather than color of skin.
They say skin color matters first, second and last.
It is the most important thing and maybe the only thing at least according to the tenets of CRT, Critical Race Theory.
Joining me now to discuss this and more is the president of anti-blackistan At least, that's what he says.
It's his republic, and he can call it what he wants.
Adam B. Coleman is my guest.
He is a columnist with Human Events.
He is the founder of Wrong Speak Publishing.
He has got a Substack that you should definitely check out.
I did.
That's why I reached out to him.
It's Adam B. Coleman, spelled just like it sounds, .substack.com.
Adam joins us now on America First with Dr. G. Adam, good to have you.
How are you, sir?
I'm doing well.
Thank you for having me.
And just a small correction.
It's Ain't Blackistan, not Ain't Blackistan.
Oh, you know what?
How funny is that?
I literally misplaced the A or the I in the end.
Wow.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
No problem.
It Ain't Blackistan.
Well, you know what?
Let's do that.
Because that's funny, obviously.
The President of the Republic of Ain't Blackistan.
What does that mean?
Tell us the origin of that euphemism.
Yeah, so basically it started from our dear president, Joe Biden, when he said, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black.
So it just turned into like an inside joke between a friend of mine.
And so I just came up with a fictional nation where we are people who are black.
We did not vote for him.
So, you know, it's just a play on words, basically.
I love it.
It's funny, I was just talking about that quote to one of my callers last segment last hour before you came on, so that's actually perfect and I'm so glad that you corrected me on that because I love it even more now that I pronounce it correctly.
You wrote about this a little bit on one of your substacks, and we'll get into the transracialism issue that I invited you on in a moment, or for in a moment, but one of your other substack articles, Adam Coleman, is about voting Republican for the very first time.
Obviously in the midterm elections, you know, it's interesting, there wasn't a red wave or tsunami like many people predicted, conservative people like me were hoping for, but it did get some people Uh, to come over for the first time, or in your case, you didn't vote for Joe Biden.
Maybe it was in the, uh, in the 2020 presidential election, but explain to me how you went from voting Democrats your whole life to now, at least not automatically voting Democrat that you will consider and have voted for Republicans.
Yeah.
So I would say the major issues that started coming up in the past couple of years, um, that have stuck out is the, uh, protection of children.
Whether it's at school or whether it's, you know, within our society, I think it's extremely important that we protect our children.
And I'm seeing one particular party, my old party, basically choosing otherwise.
So that was a big motivating factor for me.
I'm so glad to hear you say that.
That is a very passionate subject for me as well, and for many people.
I don't want to deviate too far from, again, the topic at hand here, but when you say protecting children, did you have something specific in mind that you saw that your former party was exposing children to that bothered you so much?
Oh yeah, especially the advocating for the mutilation of children.
You know, when the President of the United States says, you know, gender affirmation care is the suitable route to go, then he's advocating for mutilating children.
I personally just couldn't stand for that.
So that was a big, amongst other things, that was a big thing for me.
The other thing was the complete, that's the word I'm looking for, basically like just going full tilt into racial politics.
And identity politics, especially.
You know, it always exists.
You know, it's always there, but they're brandishing it.
They're proud of it.
You know, when they say, we're looking for the first female black vice president, you know, it's not insinuation to say she's a diversity hire.
Whereas maybe in years past, they would have done it and we would have just assumed or just moved about our lives and not really cared.
But they're talking about it and they're brandishing it.
And, you know, it's all these things I don't think it's the right thing to do.
You know, I want people to be elevated because of their merit, not because of what they look like or what they were born as.
Wow.
Well, that is so spot on, and I completely concur.
And I kind of figured that's where you were going with this when you talked about the big issue being protecting children and defending children, because you're right.
They're under attack by groomers, recruiters, people who are engaging in coercion to try to advance and grow a political movement.
And it involves getting young children, as you say, this quote-unquote gender affirming care that turns into puberty blockers, it turns into genital mutilation, it turns into cutting off healthy organs and convincing them this is what they want.
I agree with you.
But I have to ask you.
Were you prepared, and how are you handling the criticism as a transphobe, or as a homophobe, or as an anti-LGBTQ bigot?
Because that's what they call anybody who takes the stand that you and I both have here.
Well, it's not my number one issue that I talk about, as far as trans.
You see, that's the thing.
It's how you advocate for things.
Like, I'm not anti-trans.
But I'm against mutilating children.
Bingo.
But that doesn't matter.
That's it, right?
Because I'm the same way.
You want to be an adult and go live your life in whatever capacity you want, dress how you want, call yourself what you want.
Don't drag kids into it and don't make me have to participate in your delusion or your identity or whatever it is you want to call yourself.
Don't make me use words that don't exist in order to refer to you and don't go twerking in my kid's face during story hour.
Right, right.
And that's exactly it right there.
To me, everything is about protecting children, protecting them from things that are inappropriate, sexually inappropriate, protecting them from people who may have malicious intent.
You know, it's all about that for me.
So, you know, in regards to responses from people, I really don't care.
You know, I'm comfortable with how I feel.
I feel like I'm doing What's right?
What's moral?
And so, you know, you're always going to get somebody who's going to be upset when you do the right thing.
And that's so true.
So true.
We expect that.
So as far as, you know, detractors, I really don't care about the opinions of people I don't respect in the first place.
Well, that's a year ahead of the game already, obviously, because that's exactly how you have to be.
We're talking to Adam B. Coleman.
He's the founder of Wrongspeak Publishing.
He is the president of Ain't Blackistan, which is awesome, and your message is terrific there.
And he's got a Substack, and that's where I first became aware of you.
I actually found you on Twitter, and I followed you because I read one of your tweets about one of your Substack articles that I want to discuss with you, and that is trans.
But not transgenderism now, as we just did.
You knew this was coming.
This is what people talk about.
This is what I talk about.
And I think a lot of other people, when we talk about slippery slopes, that you knew that if you say, this is okay, or if you promote this, and that's all right, and so on, what's the next level?
What's the next step?
And the natural next level or next step here is transracialism, as opposed to transgenderism.
What do we do with a white person who says, I don't care what you think I look like.
I know that myself inside of me, I know I'm black and I identify as black.
And if I dress black, maybe even including black face, uh, that's you.
You need to accept my reality.
You need to accept my truth.
You need to accept me for what I believe I am.
And if we're going to do that from men who think they're women, And women who think they're men, why can't we do that among the races?
And that's what you wrote about.
What is your thought of that, that transracial movement starting?
Um, you know, in some way, because I have a sense of humor, I'm kind of looking forward to it, because I would think it's absolutely hysterical when that starts to happen.
Because then you start to see all the people have mental gymnastics trying to square, you know, that circle.
You know, how do we address this?
It kind of reminds me of the feminists who are leftists, who are advocating for trans people's rights, But then they're not comfortable with the trans woman going into their sports or their bathrooms or their spaces and trying to be supportive while at the same time realizing that there are men who are encroaching on their space.
So I think in much of the same way, if it becomes a norm, if there's a celebrity who comes out as the first transracial I believe in the article I kind of made the joke like, you know, here's a white person.
Adam, let me stop you there because we've got a hard break here.
I'll let you finish that story and we'll follow up on that as we continue.
Bob Franson for Dr. G.
Right back.
Thank you.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
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So, Adam Coleman, we were talking about you.
You just turned us on.
We're talking about transracialism, which is just the next step on the, or next slide down the slope, if you will, from transgenderism.
If males are, we're told that we have to accept males who say they're females as females and say trans women are real women and vice versa, then why on earth are we not going to the next logical step, which is somebody who's black who says, no, I'm white.
Somebody who's white who says, no, I'm black.
You must accept my reality because it's how I identify.
I was just looking at them.
During the break, to see exactly when it was that Rachel Dolezal hit the national scene, the closest I could come was around 2015 is when people were first reporting on this very, very white girl who was raised by two very white parents who had convinced everybody as an NAACP leader that she was African American.
She darkened her skin.
She kinked her hair with really tight curls.
She did everything she could to become African-American.
And now, at the time, as you recall, I'm sure Adam, everybody demonized her for cultural appropriation.
But today, in the trans world, she might be a trendsetter.
She might be somebody that we just have to accept.
Hey, she says she's black, then she's black, right?
Yeah, I mean, she's the OG of it, I guess you could say.
When it comes to the whole transracial thing, especially the way I wrote it, I wrote it in a way for someone who is maybe on that spectrum of, well, just let them live their lives, let them go into those spaces.
But I wrote in a way where I said, if there was a Person who is white who says I am black and then they win the first BET you know image award for best black on screen.
People would start to ask a lot of questions about that.
I think even people today who are on the left would think that's kind of strange.
You're being gentle.
Adam, you're being gentle.
You know exactly what you mean.
You mean things would burn.
There would be riots.
If a white woman won a BET award that was exclusive to black women, that would not be accepted.
No, I mean, today it wouldn't be accepted.
And so that's the whole thing.
We're talking about it in a way that this is the precursor.
Like, we're in that moment before it happened.
Like, if you asked me about some of the stuff that's going on today, three years ago, if we'd be cool with it, I'd be like, no, we would not be cool with mutilating children, yet here we are.
So there's always that, you know, that moment before.
And I think right now is that moment.
But I'm kind of at the same time, Looking forward to it, because race doesn't make too much sense.
Race is a spectrum.
And I'm not sure if it's something that we should really hold on to so dearly in this country.
Yeah, well, it should not be the subject of virtually every discussion, but I think you brought it up before.
Your former party, the Democrat Party, made identity politics the cornerstone, essentially, of their platforms for virtually everything, which is why, as I say, Democrats, in particular, would go crazy if an actual natural-born biological white female identified with and started trying to look black and won an award.
You know, you write here the trans-blacks would wear blackface makeup and fake butts until they could afford pigmentation injections and Brazilian butt lifts to appear as their fantasize stereotype to feel more authentic the trans blacks would speak in Ebonics.
And yet if they do any of those things, especially the blackface, Adam, they're going to be called guilty of cultural appropriation and quite frankly of much worse than that.
It just would not stand.
It cannot stand.
Rachel Dolezal, the OG, found that out.
Even today in the world of transgenderism, is there a line between transracialism and cultural appropriation in your mind, Adam?
I mean, today there is, yes.
Where is that line?
I think that line is, for any movement to be successful in this country, you have to have a sympathetic figure.
So the line is, there is no sympathetic figure.
Until there is a truly sympathetic figure, someone who gets national attention, someone that we can feel bad for because they struggle with their racial identity, then that's it.
That's the line.
But until then, we can make fun of it.
We can laugh at the concept.
And anybody who tries to come out without achieving that goal of being a truly sympathetic figure.
Kind of like how Bruce Jenner came out as Caitlyn Jenner.
He became a figurehead, a sympathetic figure.
And then from there, that's when you saw everything just kind of take off.
So until we have that with the transracial, we can make fun of it right now and talk about how ridiculous it is.
But we were saying the same things a number of years ago.
So as a black man, unless you decide you want to identify as white, we'll call you a black man for now.
Adam, tell me about white supremacy.
As a black man, do you believe In the left's speaking about white supremacy and just being white gives you extra points in this society, that you have advantages that blacks don't have, blah blah blah, no matter what your circumstances are, whether you're poor, whether you're middle class, whether you're wealthy, if you're white you have an advantage.
Do you believe in white supremacy as an issue or as a thing?
And then secondly, if white supremacy is a thing, And there are benefits to being white.
I've often wondered this, even with President Obama.
If you're a biracial person, you've got a black parent and a white parent, why is it that they always identify with the black side and say, I'm black?
Why doesn't anybody say, I want some of that privilege stuff?
I'm white!
My white half dominates me, not my black half.
Why is it, and why would in transracialism, why is it always Black to white, or excuse me, white to black, and never black to white if there's privilege to be found in whiteness.
Alright, so the first part, is there a white supremacy?
Yes.
No, no, privilege.
Not supremacy, privilege.
Is there a white privilege?
I think when people talk about white privilege, what they actually mean is class privilege, to be honest with you.
Is there class privilege?
Yes.
And that's going to exist in every society.
It's going to be exacerbated in certain ways.
And I think people should recognize that the people who complain the most about it, so quote-unquote white privilege, what they mean is class privilege.
And they don't ever talk about class because, likely, they're of the upper class.
You know, that's why they're the academics.
They're the wealthiest.
You know, it is a boutique talking point.
It's a boutique ideology, uh, progressivism, uh, as it appears today.
So, you know, they're going to harp on white because they don't want you to talk about class.
So, uh, you know, is, is there a white privilege?
Maybe in some circumstance that, you know, whatever, is there a black privilege?
Sure.
There are things I can say right now that you can't without being, you know, demonized for it.
Right.
So that's a black privilege.
I get it.
That's very true.
Very true.
Yeah.
So, but does that, does that ruin my day?
Does that ruin your day?
Is that, is that the differentiation between a success in our life?
No.
Like these are, it's such micro, micro nonsense.
Um, and they want you to focus on the racial aspect because really they don't want you to look at the class.
No, Adam, Adam, I think you're right.
I'm going to ask you to hang on here a second.
I want to continue with you one more segment right after this.
Thank you.
I'm Seb Gorka.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
And this is indeed America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Bob France sitting in for Dr. G, and we continue one more short segment with our guest, Adam B. Coleman.
Follow his Substack, if you would.
It's a terrific read.
I've read three of his articles already.
It's adambcoleman.substack.com.
You should most definitely do that.
And Adam, I'm going to ask you about MLK Day, but first I want to make sure we talk about your book, Black Victim to Black Victor.
Identifying the ideologies, behavioral patterns, and cultural norms that encourage a victimhood complex.
Tell us about your book.
Yeah, so the book was a way for me to express myself post-George Floyd.
You know, by trade, I'm an IT guy, wasn't a writer, but I felt like I wasn't able to express myself.
And I finally just got the courage to just sit down and write a book for about nine months.
Self-published.
And I just basically put it out there to see if people want to hear it.
And without, you know, I didn't have no public profile or anything.
And so far, people really enjoy the book.
It's been out for over a year and a half now.
But the book itself, it discusses race, but actually talks about the more important things.
The nuclear family, the importance of fathers and homes.
And I use my personal story because I grew up without my father and my journey into manhood and becoming a father myself at the age of 21 while not knowing how to be a man and figuring that part out for myself.
So it's a very personal book.
It's not hyper-political or anything like that.
It's very personal.
You can say that, but I think you'd be slightly wrong because you just touched a trigger point there when you talk about fatherlessness and you talk about, in particular, black fathers not being in homes.
The numbers are staggering some 70% or 75% or whatever it is now.
It changes year to year, but it's always in that neighborhood of black kids are growing up in single parent households and fatherlessness is kind of a taboo.
Well, maybe not for you because you're a black man for a white guy like me.
It's it's perpetuating racial stereotypes and racial and racism to talk about father fatherlessness in black homes.
So you can talk about it.
I can't.
What is your understanding or what is your perception?
What is the reason in your mind why that statistic is is real?
Why it is that so many black children are raised without their dads?
Well, actually, before I answer that question, throughout the book, I talk about Okay.
fatherlessness, but then I also talk about fatherlessness in general.
The reason I do that is because I'm making the point that there are actually more white Americans in this country who are growing up separated from their fathers than black Americans.
We're disproportionately higher.
And that's actually just a, it's something that we can all relate to as Americans because the United States is number one in single parenthood in the world.
And I don't think people realize that.
So while there is a issue for Black Americans, and there are cultural reasons behind it, the full embracement of feminism, I know people talk often about, you know, government assistance and things like that.
But ultimately, there is a cultural problem in America.
It is not just Black Americans, it's all Americans.
And whenever I talk about fatherlessness, most of the people who reach out to me don't look like me.
And their voices are kind of not heard because there's so much focus on fatherlessness from Black Americans.
But those people are ignored as well, from other white Americans, Hispanic, you name it.
They're going through the same pain that I did when I was a kid.
That's a very great point.
And you're right, from sheer numbers, there would be more whites because it's 66% or so white nation, 13% African Americans, and then other ethnicities less than that.
But as you say, disproportionately affecting the black community, which is one of the reasons why we get into graduation rates, dropout rates, drug rates, prison rates, and so on and so forth in the different communities.
Last question for you.
I've got about a minute and ten seconds for you to answer it.
Is MLK's dream dead?
His dream of a colorblind society and society in which people are judged by the content of their character versus what Ibram X. Kendi and others teach today in the BLM movement which is we must recognize color and recognize that white is bad and oppressors and black is victims.
Is the dream dead?
No, the dream's not dead.
The economic elite want us to think that it's dead.
The progressives who are among the economic elite want us to think that it's dead.
So when you go outside and you interact with regular people, working-class Americans, they don't care.
The vast majority of them are not racial identitarians.
They really don't care.
And that's been my experience as a Black American who's lived in five states, multiple towns throughout those states.
My experience around people in general, especially white Americans, has been positive.
And the negative experiences, I can count on one hand.
That's the reality about living in America while being black.
I tell you what, I wish and I hope that that becomes the experience for everybody in this country of all colors.
That is the dream, obviously, but the obstacles in front of all of us are very, very numerous.
Adam B. Coleman, his book, you should check it out, Black Victim to Black Victor, and follow him at wrong underscore speak on Twitter.
Adam Coleman, thank you so much for the time.
I'm Bob France, and we'll be right back.
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Really appreciate Adam Coleman Great conversation with him.
It's a very unique thing.
I want to know how you feel about it.
If white people, particularly women, this seems to be the thing, decide, you don't understand, I really feel black.
I identify with black culture.
I like being around black people.
I like how they look.
I feel like that's how I look.
That's how I want to look.
And I really feel like I am black.
And as long as we're in a world where a man with testicles instead of ovaries, if he says, but I feel like I have ovaries, if I feel like I have a uterus, if I feel like a woman, then I will be accepted as a woman or will go to court over it.
If a man can do that, and a woman can do that, in the way of believing deep in her heart that she's a man, why can't a white person really believe deep down in their heart and in their mind that they're a black person?
And is that okay?
Or is that cultural appropriation?
Why would we greenlight one but not the other?
If people's identities are what we are supposed to take seriously, They're teaching kids in preschool right now.
You don't have to be a little boy, Johnny.
You can be Janie.
You don't have to be.
Do you feel like sometimes you like to play with dolls?
You do?
See, you might be a little girl.
Let's change your pronouns to they or them because you're just not sure.
They're doing that to little girls too!
What do you mean you like to play tag on the playground?
What do you mean you like to play football with the boys?
Well, yeah, I'm a tomboy.
No, you're a boy!
All we need to do is get you on these pills right here.
We're going to make sure that you don't grow any of these boobs, and we're going to make sure that you can be a boy.
Let's change your pronouns now, too.
If they can do that to little kids in this trans movement society, why can't they tell little kid, hey, little white Johnny, why are you playing over there with the black kids?
Well, I like them.
They're my friends.
Oh, well, maybe you are black, too.
You don't look it, but you might be.
If the kid down the two rows over in the classroom or in the lunch table, we can tell him that he's a girl, then we can tell you you're black too.
You can now identify as black.
Is that okay?
Or is that cultural appropriation?
Or is that just insanity?
I think I can give you my answer.
It's insanity.
It's all insanity.
All of it.
Trying to normalize and create, kind of groom people into a different alternative lifestyle Because a few, a very select few, less than 1% of the population has a condition called gender dysphoria.
Trying to just normalize and treat any weird, bizarre thing, the furries that are out there, as if we're going to accept that.
That's who you are.
Then why not with race?
Right?
I think it's all crazy.
I think it's all crazy.
Where are we going?
What line should we hit next?
We're going to go to...
How about Mark in Los Angeles, California?
Hey, Mark, it's Bob Frantz sitting in for Dr. G on America First Fireway.
Hey, Bob.
To answer your question, no, the dream is absolutely not dead.
In fact, I think that your comments probably are very accurate when you're looking at the 50-year and older demographic.
But if you start looking at 40, 30, and definitely 20 years and under, The dream has already been realized.
How so?
Well, one statistic that I mean, I, my grandson is 15 years old.
I look at his life, his friends, um, they have no concept of race and they're mixed.
They, they, they run in the same group.
They, I mean, I'm not going to mention the organization, but he's in an organization where there are Asians, there are white, there are black, There are Latinos, and it's an all-male group, but they run around, bump and fight and push, and it ain't got nothing to do with race.
Their arguments and their disagreements have almost nothing to do with race.
And that's really great to hear.
What I would argue in response, though, is that in your 15-year-old grandson's classrooms, there are teachers and there are advisors and there are counselors who are teaching them that that is not okay.
That he should not be hanging around with those white oppressors.
What's wrong with him?
Doesn't he understand that these people don't like him?
That these people, these young white people that he's friends with, don't have his best interest in mind?
And you know, they're also telling the white kids, what are you doing hanging around with that black kid?
What are you doing hanging around with a kid that you're better than, that you and your ancestors proved to be more powerful than?
Why are you associating with them?
Now, I am glad that your grandson and his friends got past all that, and thank you for the call.
I'm glad that there are anecdotal stories like that, I'm sure, all over the place.
But it doesn't change the fact that the teachers and the educators and the media and celebrities are advancing the notion that they can't get along.
That critical race theory is their mindset that says whites are oppressors, blacks are victims, and that's the way it is because that's the way they can advance their own political agendas and, quite frankly, to enrich themselves as well.
Above all, never forget that racism is big business.
Ask Patrice Cullors, co-founder of Black Lives Matter.
Ask her if racism is big business.
Bob France sitting in for Dr. G.
We'll be right back.
Thank you.
I.
I'm Seb Gorka.
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Appreciate you being with us.
Coming up, speaking of Ohio, after the top of the hour break, we're going to have in our number three, the top of our number three, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Mr. Jim Jordan.
Congressman Jim Jordan joins me every week on my program in Cleveland.
We're going to bring him to you here.
Uh, for the entire Dr. Gorka national audience to hear.
He's got a lot of work in front of him.
We're going to talk to him about the January 6th prisoners.
Two years still being held without speedy trials.
Still being held without access to their attorneys.
What can Congress do about it now that the GOP is in charge?
We're going to talk about that with Jim Jordan, among other things.
Uh, line three.
Robert joins us now from California.
Robert, you are on America First.
Bob France sitting in.
Fire away.
Yes, sir.
Thank you for taking my call.
Regarding the gentleman with the biracial son who was 15 years old and hadn't had any kind of racial sensitivity, I'd like to speak to that young man when he turns 30.
I'm of that 50-plus demographic, and to answer your question about the dream, I think the dream was dead before I left the starting gate.
You had brought up an issue earlier about white biracial people Most often identify as black.
Yes.
Reason is because that's the way society perceives them to be.
If President Obama walked in the room, the last thing on your mind is that that's a biracial man.
You look at society perceives him as a black man.
They may just based on outward appearance like that, but as you know, what is one of the most overseen and over-visible faces to be on your TV screen over the course of the last month?
And that answer is Meghan Markle.
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are everywhere.
When you look at her, do you see black women or do you see white girls?
That's because it's royalty.
But to address another issue that you brought up earlier.
Yes.
and I've heard this argument often, why are there so many successful black people, millionaires in America, if America's a systemically racist country?
Was there systemic racism back in the '20s?
Back in the '30s? - Yes. - Of course.
Of course.
There were successful black people, millionaires.
The first woman, the first female in America that was a millionaire was a black woman.
That's why we need to teach the history of what happened in Tulsa, Oklahoma, because it was known as the Black Wall Street.
It had the most black millionaires in America at that time.
So black people have always been successful and resilient.
So that's not really an issue.
But that's not but the number of billionaires or millionaires or whatever is not the true measure in my.
And thank you for the call, my friend, of systemic racism or institutionalized racism or anything of that nature.
There were absolutely obstacles to black people being successful back then, including you're not allowed to go to school.
You're not allowed to read.
You're not allowed to write.
You're not allowed to have a job here.
You're not allowed to be there or anything else.
There were many, many obstacles.
You can't go to college and so forth.
Those things have all been removed and it's not necessarily the who can become a billionaire and be an outlier.
Anybody who is a billionaire, white or black or anything else is an outlier.
It's who has the opportunity to just achieve the American dream.
The American dream of owning a home, growing up, raising a family so that the kids grow up, going to school, and having a chance at success.
The middle-class American dream is available to everybody it didn't used to be because of systemic racism.
Thank you, my friend.
Congressman Jim Jordan will join us after the break.
Thank you.
I'm fine, Bob.
Good to be with you.
I don't know him personally.
I've got a ton of stuff that I want to talk about with you as these people have.
I don't know in person.
I'm not talking personally.
I do.
I don't know.
Thank you for joining us on America First with today's very special guest host, Cleveland's own Bob France. - Yes.
All right, thank you, Dr. G. Hour number three is underway on America First.
Really appreciate you being with us.
I'm live in Cleveland, Ohio, and northeast Ohio also happens to be the domain, or the district anyway, of one Congressman Jim Jordan.
Congressman Jordan has ascended to the chairmanship now as the GOP majority kicks in of the House Judiciary Committee, as well as the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Weaponization of the Federal Government Against the American People.
And I want to take this opportunity now To bring you a little bit of Congressman Jordan.
I speak to him each and every week.
I'm very fortunate to be able to do so and we're very pleased to have him with us right now.
Congressman Jim Jordan, so good to talk to you.
How are you, sir?
I'm fine, Bob.
Good to be with you.
Mr. Chairman, I've got a ton of stuff that I want to talk about with you, but none is more important.
Many of them may be as important, but nothing is more important than this one, and this is one that I've been trying to work through here for a little bit with you.
Now, you are in possession, I'm told by Russ, of the letter by the We the People Convention, countersigned by about 18 or 20 prominent conservatives in Northeast Ohio.
For those who haven't read, I'm just going to read a couple of quick lines from the letter to you so that I can ask you directly to respond to it, and I really appreciate you doing this.
This is very important right now.
Particularly with Kevin McCarthy asking for the release of all footage of the entire events of January 6, 2021.
You have made it clear, this is part of the letter, to you, Congressman Jim Jordan, that the Judiciary Committee will be looking into what actually happened on January 6, 2021, with the goal of exposing the truth, which has been so effectively concealed for two years by Nancy Pelosi, the corrupt January 6th Committee, and others.
We are grateful that the Republican House is planning to take action to restore equal justice in the rule of law.
We are asking you to go one important step further.
We are asking you to bring January 6th political prisoners and their families before your committee to testify in person in front of Congress and the American people about what our nation has done to them and their families since that day.
Now, to clarify, obviously, Congressman Jordan, the letter goes on to say that this isn't to talk about their guilt or innocence of what they are charged with for that day, but to discuss their detention, the conditions thereof, the fact that two years have gone by without trials, obviously violating their constitutional rights to speedy trials, and to their attorneys, to representation, being kept in conditions described by many who have seen them as worse, not as bad, but worse than terrorists are kept in Guantanamo Bay.
That's not in every case, but it's in enough cases that it was made known.
So, Congressman Jordan, can you, is it possible, will you try to do exactly that since we can't get to these people in any other way than maybe if you subpoena them to testify before a committee?
Well, and also remember, there was a warden who held, our judge held the warden in contempt for the conditions of some of these individuals, how they were treated.
So, we're very pleased to hear that the Speaker has indicated that he wants the videotape released, all footage of that released.
Speaker McCarthy said that last week.
We've had a number of whistleblowers come talk to us about The disparate treatment between the rioters and looters in the summer of 2020 from the Justice Department and, of course, January 6th defendants.
The only concern would be that if you try to get someone who's currently incarcerated to come testify, that can be an ordeal, but we will certainly look at that.
And then the other thing I guess I would just, I guess as sort of a practical, you know, if they come and testify, If these individuals would come and testify, they're going to be subjected to hours of questioning from the Democrats and their whole perspective on things.
But this is something that we are definitely going to look at because, again, this whole idea that there's one set of rules for January 6th defendants, but a different set if you were rioters and looters in the summer of of 2016, or if you're a pro-life activist, you get treated differently than people who've now attacked over a hundred churches and crisis pregnancy centers.
So that is certainly a theme that we think is important to explore in the work of the subcommittee and, frankly, the full committee.
Points all very well taken.
What can be done if you cannot subpoena them?
Personally, I don't think they would care about answering questions from Democrats.
They want to talk about what's been done to them.
Because again, this isn't about their guilt or innocence of that day.
It's about how they've been treated since they have been held in detention, held in jails or prisons.
And, you know, I think what the American people want is the full truth on Yep.
Quite frankly, the torture that they have endured.
Now, I'm not saying they're being beaten with rubber hoses like they would be in an Iraqi prison, but human rights organizations and psychiatrists and psychologists have all declared that keeping people in, for example, 23-hour lockdowns, SHU programs, secure housing units, is torture.
It is psychological and mental torture, and that is what We are being told these people are going through.
What can be done to end their torture and the way they're being treated while we wait for trial, which again is two years on now?
Yeah.
Obviously the thing you do is you draw attention to it.
You get the facts on the table.
And so we just got to look at the best way to do that.
Maybe it is in fact the family member.
I've actually spoke to family members about the treatment that is Their loved one is being subjected to, so that may be an avenue that we look at as well.
But I've said this many times, the first step in stopping the political aspect and the political focus of the Justice Department and all the wrongdoing that now dozens of whistleblowers have come and talked to us about, the first step in stopping it is to get the truth out there, is to expose it.
And once you do that, then you can potentially look for legislative solutions.
You can look for other ways.
But the first step is to get the facts on the table and get the truth to the American people.
And certainly, these are some of the things we're going to look at regarding this specific situation.
Obviously the best way to get those facts out on the table would be to elicit them through testimony.
Can you commit to your constituents and also the American people, since you're now the chair of the Judiciary Committee, can you confirm that you will move?
Because for two years everybody's been very frustrated with not just Republicans, but the entire response of legislators again as these people have watched their rights be violated time and time again.
Nobody, by the way, is calling for these people to be viewed as heroes.
Release them as heroes.
If they broke the law, they should be held accountable by the law.
But the law doesn't call for two years without a trial and indefinite detention and being barred from seeing your attorneys and consulting with your own defense and so forth.
It doesn't call for that or anything anybody's been accused of.
What we're calling for is due process.
What we're calling for is consistent with the Constitution.
What we're calling for is follow the rule of law, the Constitution, and equal treatment under the law.
That is the entire theme, and it applies across the—it applies, as I said, to pro-life activists.
It applies to—it applies—it should be applied equally, and that is what we have to get back to in this great country.
And we're willing to do what we need to do to make sure we get the facts on the table for the people to see.
Congressman, speaking of the rule of law, let's move on to the documents now.
January 9th, news breaks of the first classified documents.
January 11th, another document found in the Delaware home of the President.
January 12th, five more documents found at Biden's home.
January 14th, Sauber publicly reveals that more documents were found on Thursday.
In other words, they told us that the investigation was over, then they kept investigating and found more.
Congressman, what I want to know is, Why on earth is the search for more classified documents mishandled so carelessly or intentionally by then-Vice President Joe Biden?
Why is this being done by his personal attorneys and not by the FBI?
Yeah, great point.
They always get to decide, and they always get to do the looking and the deciding on The people are allowed to see, or how this works.
I mean, I go back to, we may have talked about this last week, but this is one of the first things that jumped out at me too, because I remember during the Benghazi hearings, I asked Hillary Clinton, Secretary Clinton, this question.
I said, Secretary Clinton, you've got 60-some thousand emails.
Some of them are work-related, some of them aren't.
We don't want to see your personal emails.
We shouldn't.
This is America.
There's a thing called privacy.
We don't need to see that, but I've got to tell you we're a little concerned about you and your lawyers deciding which ones are work-related that we're supposed to see, which ones are personal.
We're a little nervous about that, but how about we do it this way?
How about we have a neutral third party like a retired federal judge look at them?
And her response was, no, no, no.
We'll decide.
Secretary Clinton and her lawyers will decide what we get to see.
The same thing happens here.
It's Biden's lawyers who go in and first sign this up, then they alert, now this is interesting too, they alert the White House counsel, right?
The White House counsel, this latest one where they found the five, at his residence, the five documents, it's the White House counsel going with the Department of Justice.
What is that?
That's not how it's supposed to work in our system.
So yeah, again, this is part of it.
There's always a different standard if you're part of the politically connected class versus regular people, or if you're part of the politically favored class when your name is Clinton or Biden versus if your name is Trump.
It's frustrating, and it's why we're going to look at it, and in particular Representative Comer and the Oversight Committee.
Equally frustrating, and in fact maddening, is the fact that these documents were found not last week, but in the first week of November.
Yeah, November 2nd.
You made a great point, Bob, too.
They were telling us all last week they were being transparent, but while they're telling us they're being transparent, they weren't telling us everything, because they knew last week that they had found these documents on December 19th, these additional documents, And all they initially told us about was the one they found on November 2nd.
They find them on November 2nd.
They find more on December 18th, but they personally tell us about the one they find on November 2nd.
Then they tell us, oh no, we found some more.
And then they find more on top of that.
All the while, they're telling us they're being transparent.
So, again, lack of transparency and the double standard is what frustrates the country so much.
That's why we're, again, looking into it and making sure now we're going to get all the facts on the table as we were talking about.
Thank you.
I'm Seb Gorka.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
Alright, thank you Dr. G, and we do continue now with House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan, and Chairman Jordan talking more about the classified documents and the investigation.
Do you know anything about Robert Herr, the special counsel, and how do you feel about the likelihood that we can trust him to follow the facts wherever they may lead?
I don't know him personally.
I'm not talking to him personally.
I do know what my friend and former colleague, Devin, did.
He said that he's tight with Mr. Rosenstein and Mr. Wray.
Devin said it was Mr. Herr who was pushing back on Devin trying to release the memo that initially brought forward how wrong the Steele dossier was back in early 2018.
So I do know that's his background, but we'll have to see.
I got my concerns based on what Devin told me, because I trust Devin.
Devin's a good man who brought that memo forward and it was Mr. Herr at the Justice Department who was pushing back and trying to keep that memo from going public to the American people.
Last question on the documents for now.
Do you have any opinion on motive?
Everybody is wondering, are the Democrats trying to, did they know about this for a long time and now they sat on it, kept their powder dry, and now it's time to expose it because they're really trying to get rid of any chance of Joe Biden running for re-election.
Do you have any idea on what might be behind, oh look at this, look what we found over here, hey how about that, we should probably report this.
It is kind of odd the way this is timed up.
Yeah it is.
Ask the same question, you know, why now?
Why did they go look?
I mean, did Joe Biden just suddenly remember?
I mean, I find that hard to believe.
And, you know, these documents could have been there for almost six years, for goodness sake.
So what prompted them to go look now at the Biden Center and then, of course, at his residence?
I don't know.
Maybe they said, you know, we don't know what Mr. Comer's investigation is going to show.
He's trying to get these suspicious activities, these bank reports.
Maybe we should just check it out.
Maybe that's what drove him to do it.
Maybe that was the motive.
I don't know.
But it does seem a little strange to me that all of a sudden they're looking and here six years after the fact.
But why?
I think it's probably anybody's guess.
Congressman, last week we spoke about the Weaponization Subcommittee, and I want to ask about that.
What are the first planned steps for this Weaponization Subcommittee?
And then secondly, we did not talk about the Select Committee on China being run by Representative Gallagher.
I wanted to get your thoughts.
What do you expect will come from that?
Well, Mike Gallagher is a sharp guy, and I think he's the right guy to lead that committee.
I think, again, this is also to just bring forward and make sure the country and the nation fully understands just what a threat China is and what they're doing to our intellectual property, what they're doing to international business norms and trade norms.
And frankly, the lack of pushback from the current administration compared to the pushback that, for the first time, we had President Trump actually stand up to China and make certain demands.
It will be part of what Mr. Gallagher and his team does there.
Relative to the Judiciary Committee and the Select Committee, I think we're going to focus on the whistleblowers.
I've been going through their communications with our staff.
Our staff records that down.
I've been looking through.
There's some amazing things in there that they've brought forward.
And I always point to that very first whistleblower who came and talked to us about the Focus on going after moms and dads at school board meetings.
And he's the initial whistleblower, and then we've had dozens follow.
But he's the first one to tell us, in the line he used about the upper echelon of the FDIC, the leadership at the Washington Field Office, he said it's rotted at its core.
And then goes on to describe some of the things that he has seen.
And then a number of others buttress all that with their information as well.
And the part that scares me the most is so many of these guys, we believe, have been retaliated against.
They've had their clearance taken from them.
Many of them have been suspended.
Some have resigned rather than deal with what they face after they come forward.
And always remember what Merrick Garland did.
The first time I talked about this on Sean Hannity's show, the very next day, there was a memo written by Merrick Garland to agents across the Justice Department, across the FBI.
Explaining to them why they shouldn't talk to Congress, and if they do, here's how they're supposed to do it.
I thought basically a memo was designed to chill their activity, chill speech from them in coming forward and talking to us.
So I think we're going to probably focus in on those whistleblowers first and let them tell their story, but of course they've got to be willing to come, you know, do a deposition and be willing to testify.
If I may, how do you vet a whistleblower's accusations before you call them?
Because you don't know what they're going to say until you vet and really find out what they know.
Staff talks to them.
I have not talked to any of them.
We have good lawyers and good staff on our Republican Judiciary Committee.
And they vet these guys.
We've had a number willing to come forward.
I think the reason they're willing to come forward is the problem is so bad.
And they know they can trust us.
And they've done that now over the last several months.
I anticipate more coming.
But we do know, it sure looks like at least, that they're getting all kinds of pushback from From the higher-ups at the Justice Department, including the Attorney General.
And I appreciate those answers, and while I apologize for being too specific here, do you have any idea when?
Like, when might the first whistleblower be called?
When might the first witnesses be called before a committee on this?
Well, I'm like you, I want to get rolling as soon as we can.
I want to meet with all our members, talk about the game plan, at least I have in my mind, but I want to get their input and make sure that they have a better idea on how we target this and how we approach this.
And what our first actions are.
If I read it right, that committee is going to be 15 members, right?
Nine Republicans, six Democrats?
Yeah, nine and six.
I'm just curious, do you plan to let the Democrats choose their own members, unlike what we saw on the January 6th Select Committee?
Just curious.
Yeah, this'll be a real committee.
There'll be real cross-examination.
The Speaker's indicated if the Democrats, who they want to put on, then they'll get put on.
But in the end, that's the Speaker's call.
But Speaker McCarthy has given every indication that he's going to let the Democrats put the members on their committee that they want.
And that's the way our system should work.
We're not afraid of cross-examination.
I mean, that's the fundamental element in American, in our judicial system and in our fact-finding system is you get both sides.
There's a great verse in Proverbs that says, the first to present his case seems right until another comes along and questions him.
And that's that.
So clear back in scripture, of course.
Clear back to the Mosaic Law, there's the idea that there's cross-examination.
And the first committee in history where there wasn't cross-examination was the January 6th Committee.
And that's why we got all kinds of questions, by the way, on what's happening, too, as we started this conversation with some of the defendants and what this committee was all about.
That is such a great quote to get pulled from scripture, because that's exactly right.
And of course, I knew you would let them do that.
I wanted to, of course, expose the difference between that and Nancy Pelosi, who denied you guys the opportunity, denied Leader McCarthy at the time, from appointing you to that and others to that January 6th unselect committee.
Congressman Jordan, I know you're busy, as I'll get out, chairing two of these two very important committees, or committee and subcommittee.
Thank you for making the time, as you always do, and I look forward to following up with you on those J6 prisoners as well.
You bet.
I always appreciate the opportunity to talk to Congressman Jim Jordan.
He brings the goods each and every time, and if anybody is going to get anything of note done in this new Congress, this GOP Congress, it's going to be the Oversight Committee.
So it's going to be James Comer and the Oversight Committee, Jim Jordan and the Judiciary Committee, because legislatively it's going to be a stalemate.
It's going to be gridlock, Republican-controlled House, Democrat-controlled Senate.
There's not going to be much done legislatively.
What can we do?
We can have accountability and oversight, and that's what Jim Jordan is going to be a big, big part of.
Okay, coming up in the final 30 minutes of America First today, I want to ask you again, if you happen to be African American, I'm going to give you priority here on the phone lines.
Are you okay with transracialism, as we discussed with Adam Coleman?
Or is it cultural appropriation?
I'm curious as to your thoughts on that and anything you just heard from Jim Jordan.
We'll take your phone calls.
They're wide open now.
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We'll be back.
Thank you.
I'm Seb Gorka.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
Yeah, let's do that, exactly that.
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Now I want to go to line one as we continue.
Bob France, by the way, if you just turned it on in for Dr. G on this Monday, this MLK Day, hopefully you're celebrating or commemorating or discussing or talking about appropriately what that day means to you.
One of the things it means to me is we've been discussing race relations in America today and whether or not the dream is dead.
Part of that discussion came with an interview I did with Adam Coleman about an hour and a half ago.
And Adam Coleman and I talked about transracialism.
He wrote a great article on a sub stack about it.
Transgenderism is all the rage.
I think there is a teeny tiny fraction of a percent of all of the transgenders identifying themselves as such in America today that actually have gender dysphoria.
I think all of the rest of them are becoming trendy, they're looking for likes, they're looking for clicks, they're looking for attention.
One might call them a tension horse.
That doesn't mean whore in that sense of the word.
Whores in that sense of the word will do anything they can for money.
Whores in this sense of the word means they'll do anything they can for attention.
And that includes changing their gender.
Well, if transgenderism is something that people can do just on a whim, why not transracialism?
Adam and I talked about that in some depth.
And I want to know from African American listeners to America First.
How do you feel about transracialism?
Blackface has long been taboo.
You know, you do blackface and you're in the media, you're in the entertainment world or whatever, you're done.
You're cancelled.
Blackface, of course, has, you know, we all know the connotations from the minstrel shows and everything else, but if you are white but you really think you're black, you know, if gender dysphoria is a thing, why isn't racial dysphoria a thing?
You really believe that you're black, you're not doing blackface, you are really just putting on what you believe you truly are.
Is transracialism okay if transgenderism is supposed to be okay?
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I want to get Aaron from San Pedro, California up first.
Aaron, thanks for joining us.
You're on America First.
Go ahead.
How you doing?
Good, sir.
What's on your mind?
I just think everybody is too sensitive, man.
This country's getting soft.
I think, speaking as an African-American, I try to wake my friends and my family up to the The idea that we can't be successful without government.
Every time somebody puts on a black face, we gotta get all up in arms.
We let them, we let the media rile us up.
And it's not really that big of a deal, especially if it's a comedy skit or something like that, because...
Robert Downey Jr.
did it on... I forgot what it was.
What if it's not a skit, though?
If I may, Aaron, what if it's not a skit?
What if it's just somebody living their life that way and saying, no, I'm black.
They put on makeup every day and they say, this is how I feel inside, so this is what I am.
Cool or not cool?
It's cool with me.
Look, everybody... I don't get my panties all in a bunch over it.
We live in a world where there's a lot of different personalities.
There's a lot of different personalities.
A lot of people do things you just don't understand, but at the end of the day, we live in a free country.
Everybody should be able to do what they want to do and be successful.
Every time you see something, it doesn't have to be a media storm or they don't have to start banning stuff.
What are they going to do?
Ban black makeup because somebody went in black?
Like, it's ridiculous.
What if, as my guest earlier on, Aaron, and I talked about, what if a white woman goes into a BET pageant of some sort and wins the Black Entertainer of the Year or Black whatever of the year again?
Is that going to sit well with the black community in your mind?
Well, it doesn't matter!
Like, who cares?
Eminem probably won the best.
Artist on BET, and he's white?
Hold on, being the best artist is one thing, but being the best black artist, if he's not black, that might change some people's minds, right?
I still see no problem with it.
My friend, I'm going to tell you, Aaron, you're a good man.
You're a good man, and you're a smart man, and you don't let people trigger you, and that's good.
That's the whole reason I'm asking.
I want to know how the black community first feels about this.
So if you're an African American, Do you agree with Aaron?
Are you cool?
Let white people pretend to be black all you want, or is that going to be a problem?
I think it's just a little case study I'd like to conduct here, and we'll do that more right after this.
Thank you.
I'm Seb Gorka.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
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One more time while you write it down or put it in your phone. 877-890-7771.
Or go to defensetax.com. - Hmm.
I'm looking, trying so hard to confirm this story that just was popped up on my screen, on my Twitter screen.
Follow me on Twitter at France Rantz.
F-R-A-N-T-Z.
That's France.
Rantz.
R-A-N-T-Z as well.
Yeah, playing a little bit with the spelling there.
France Rantz on Twitter.
This just came up from KOB4, which I don't know where that is.
Is that in Los Angeles?
I don't know exactly where that is.
I apologize.
But it just popped up, and I don't know if it's real or if it's fake, and it's a tweet from Cobb4.
It says, a new study published found that homes with gas stoves have a 47.3% increased risk for cardiovascular events.
You know, originally this stupid story started because, oh, it's causing asthma, and it's also bad for the environment.
Oh, we're coming for your gas stoves, said the federal government.
It's been this big back and forth for a few days now.
But this is the first time, 47.3% increase of cardiovascular events.
They also found that gas stove usage jumped enormously in 2020.
It's gotta be a hoax, right?
That's a fake news tweet.
It's just a meme.
It's got to be.
I'm on Cobb 4's Twitter feed right now, scrolling and scrolling.
And yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gotta be.
Because they have the same picture.
Somebody's trolling and it's hilarious.
The same picture says a study published in late 2022 found that 12.7% of childhood asthma cases are linked to homes with a gas stove.
But somebody wanted to have fun with the COVID suddenly died suddenly stories.
You know, the number of people dropping over.
So they were going to try to tie the cardiac events to the gas stoves.
Very well played.
Whoever made that little meme up there and took the Cobb 4 Twitter feed and used it.
Very, very well done.
All right.
I want to go back to the phones now.
833-334-6752.
That's 833-33-GORKA.
And we're going to go to Max in Palo Alto on Line 3.
Max, welcome to America First.
It's Bob in for Dr. G. Go ahead.
Hey, Bob.
Say hello to Dr. G for me.
You know, I was listening to you when you were speaking with Jim Jordan.
I like Jim Jordan.
But you know what?
I'm really freaking angry.
And there's a lot of us out here, out in the West Coast, we're angry.
These investigations are, you know, that's fine investigations.
We want to see prosecutions.
In fact, we want to see these people who are responsible for the destruction of our republic thrown into a freaking woodchipper feet first.
That's how freaking angry we are.
These people in the Justice—look, the Congress doesn't have any authority to actually prosecute, so Jim Jordan, what's he going to do?
He still has to turn it over to the Justice Department.
They're not going to do anything because it's run by Garland.
So why are you—not you, but we're wasting our time here.
I know you need to find out what they did and who did what.
But we already know, we've been following this stuff for many years.
We know who the crooks are.
We know who the criminals are.
Well, you might know because you listen to Dr. G and you probably watch the right cable news and you probably know where to find these things.
These things, most of the people who watch CBS, NBC, ABC and who watch MSNBC or CNN and read the Post and the Times and all these things, they don't know because they bury this stuff.
The media buries all of it.
So, two things.
One, what Jordan and what Comer and the others in charge of these very important committees are going to do first is expose this to everybody.
And if it's going to be, if it's got to be that they have to subpoena and call some very, very important people that you'll never hear from if the left has their way to testify in front of a congressional committee, they can't hide that.
The media can't hide that.
So that's number one.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
That's number one.
The second thing is, this isn't going to take a day.
This is going to take time.
It's going to take probably the two years until we have a new president.
And when we have a new president, God willing, we will have a new Justice Department.
These charges, these things that you want these people prosecuted and woodchipped for, I know you're speaking metaphorically there, nobody's threatening anybody, but these things that you want to have happen, you're right, won't get prosecuted under a garland, but there's not going to be a statute of limitation that ends in 2024.
If we get the right president, we get the right Attorney General and new Justice Department, all of these things that are exposed now by Jordan's committee, Comer's committee and others will be used.
And that is when accountability can happen, my friend.
So I think justice, you know, they like to say that justice delayed is justice denied.
Sometimes that's true, but sometimes we do have to be patient and let this thing play out and get to 2024 with hopefully a new AG and then you might have a different outcome.
More than a decade this has been going on, and we haven't seen anything straightened out here.
And I'm telling you that our system is broken beyond repair.
I don't know if I'm still on the line there.
No, you are.
You are.
Yep, you're on the line.
You know, keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is freaking stupid and insane.
And that's where we're at here with it.
That's why we're crazy and angry.
And we don't, a lot of us do not believe the mislead yet.
We don't believe the broadcasters.
We don't believe the people running our, the Justice Department, the federal agencies, we don't believe them.
Our system is damaged beyond freaking repair.
That's how I feel about it, and there's a lot of people I know feel about it.
No, I know.
There are millions that feel that way, and I don't blame you.
I feel that way, too.
However, and thank you for the call, my friend, the only thing that I will say in rebuttal, if you even want to call it that, is we have not had this group of Republicans in control of these committees before.
We haven't had Jordan, we haven't had Comer, and there is an appetite for getting to the level of justice that you're talking about correctly that has not happened for a very, very long time that I think can pay off and result in some dividends.
I'm not going to write off this Congress and these committees before they even get started.
That's the one thing that I would say in response.
Try to have a little bit of patience here because things may be changing on the horizon.
Bob Frantz sitting in for Dr. G. We've got one more segment.
Stay right there, and we'll be right back.
Stay right there.
I'm Seb Gorka.
Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
Alright, final segment will be a quick one.
I've got to get this Line 4 call in from Glenn in Phoenix before we're done because I think I might like what he's going to say.
Hey Glenn, you're on America First.
Fire away, my man.
Yes, sir.
So I'm a straight male out of Phoenix, and I told the call screener that if I ever got in trouble with the law or the government, boom, immediately, boom, two seconds later, I now identify as LGBT.
Because I want some of that gay privilege.
And I noticed that wherever you go, the LGBT privilege, these people are treated with respect and honor and dignity.
And so, yeah, if I ever got in trouble with the law, anytime, boom, immediately, I'm now LGBT.
That's what I identify as.
So I just wanted to let people know, and maybe a few heads explode today, when they find out that there are actually straight people out there, for the sake of privilege, identifying as LGBT these days.
It is a great strategy.
I salute you.
Thank you for the call, my friend.
I appreciate it.
No, it's a great strategy.
Here's the bottom line.
Find a protected class and declare your identification with it.
Whatever that protected class might mean.
Whether it's a racial protected class, whether it's a gender or sexual orientation protected class, find something that you're not allowed to criticize.
By the way, did you see I think maybe I already talked about it.
I can't remember on the two radio shows I did today.
That Sheila Jackson Lee, did I mention that part in our number one?
Sheila Jackson Lee, the congresswoman from Texas, has sponsored a bill.
That says any white person who criticizes a non-white person publicly can be arrested on federal hate crime charges.
If you criticize a non-white group or individual You can be charged with federal hate crimes if something happens to that individual.
Even if you have nothing to do with it!
Nothing to do with it whatsoever!
You will be charged with conspiracy to promote white supremacy.
That's what Sheila Jackson Lee says.
So you understand my point?
The point is find somebody that can be protected at all costs.
Declare yourself to be an identifier of that.
that you identify as different gendered, identify as different sexual orientation, different attraction, different species, or whatever it is that you want, and you can find your way out of trouble.
Very well done, my friend.
I appreciate that.
I want to say a couple of things in closing here.
First of all, I want to say thank you to Dr. G's team.
It is a phenomenal team.
I really appreciate all of their hard work.
Jeff is not here today, but he set this up.
Eric and Alex and John and Guy, terrific job making this easy for me.
And for everybody else, I want you to go away with this, like I said.
I started the show today by saying the American left has killed Dr. Martin Luther King's dream.
They have killed the idea of colorblindness, seeing one another for content of character, not by color of skin.
They've killed it.
It's their goal.
You've used CRT to make that happen.
I had a couple of people call in saying, no, it's not dead yet.
There's still life.
If you think there's still life in it, then I think you should stoke the fires of that.
I think you should try to promote and push that life because right now, honestly, we're in a very, very dangerous place.
So think about that as MLK Day 2023 comes to a close.
That's all the time for this edition of America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
Once again, my show is weekdays 9 to noon Eastern at WHKRadio.com.
If you like what you heard this afternoon, tune in in the mornings for me there and we'll talk to you the next time right here on America First.
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