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Whatever else happens, the two biggest take-homes from Tuesday night.
Number one, we fired Nancy Pelosi.
And number two, he thinks he actually won.
Yes, Biden thinks he actually won.
How do I know that?
Because he's running in 2024 and he just said this yesterday.
Cut one.
What in the next two years do you intend to do differently to change people's opinion of the direction of the country, particularly as you contemplate a run for president in 2024?
Nothing.
There you have it.
Am I right?
Could I be wrong?
It's not possible!
Let's talk to my former boss, the man who was chief strategist to the 45th president of the United States, President Trump.
The man took his campaign from 16 points behind to actually win.
You know who he is.
He's the one and only.
He's Stephen K. Bannon, the host of The War Room.
Steve, welcome to America First.
Thanks for having me, Dr. Gorka.
I know you are a naval officer, so I'm not going to wish you a happy birthday, because it is the Marine Corps' 247th birthday today, because the Marines do consider the Navy to be their taxi service, but I thought I should just say... Are you talking about the birthday we're having today for the junior naval service, that service?
I knew you'd have a witty riposte.
Happy birthday to the Navy's infantry.
We love the Marines.
All right, let's get down to brass tacks.
You had me on your show.
I'll be on later today.
A week ago I told you my predictions.
I said we'll take the house.
It'll take another week to know everything else.
Not the red wave we were expecting or some of us.
The experts were telling us we need to know.
All three million of our listeners right now across the country need to know Well listen, right now we're in knife fights all over the country to make sure we secure and get as many seats as possible.
The focus should be on, you know, it should be on getting, make sure Joe Kent and some of these other great, Lauren Boebert, you know, we're in very tight races.
We got Kerry Lake in Arizona, Blake Masters, we got the entire Ticket in both in Arizona and Nevada.
There's other, you know, Connecticut five was trying to steal that with mail and drop box ballots.
We've got, you know, another four or five house seats, I think minimum that we can secure.
And quite frankly, a couple of Senate seats in Nevada and Arizona.
So everybody ought to be maniacally focused on this.
And hey, they're trying to steal it.
They just came out.
Maricopa County just announced that they're not going to have these ballots counted.
The majority of them, quote unquote, until Through the weekend, maybe early next week.
And so, this is just unacceptable.
I know everybody's getting, you know, Charlie Kirk and the guys out there are getting worked up.
I think we ought to have a, not just a press conference, I think we ought to have a rally outside Maricopa County, not to supervisors, but where the election officials are, and get on top of this.
People should understand the Senate, a bigger majority in the House, and the Senate hang in the balance right now, because we, You know, we can easily win Nevada and in Arizona with just legal, certifiable chain of custody balance.
But people have to get focused on this.
And obviously, the Herschel Walker thing is very important.
But right now, I'm telling you, we're in the middle of fights from Nevada, Arizona to Washington State to Alaska, Colorado, all over the country.
And people ought to get very focused on this.
And I'll be, you know, Because the mainstream media is saying, oh, yeah, well, it wasn't a red wave.
Well, hey, it's control of the House and the Senate.
That's what we need.
And we want as big a majority as possible.
But we can't let this slip away from us.
Now, I'm going to try and simplify it down.
And we have to talk about the whole Trump versus DeSantis thing as well.
But are the results the way they are?
A, because of all the fraud and because of the 50 days of voting in Pennsylvania because of the mail-in ballots?
Or is it also a function of the RNC, the GOP being AWOL and also not communicating sufficiently on the big issues like crime or abortion?
So as a campaign strategist, how do you pass that?
Thank you.
Well, look, think about it.
The difference between the 20, you know, the 25, the 35, the 40, we could have gotten.
These ones that we may not close on are on a nice edge.
So don't think it was like a bunch of huge mistakes.
The candidates, I think, were solid.
I think the subject matter that we focused on was solid.
Were there some people that are not pure, you know, not MAGA enough?
I think yes, and I think that came back to hurt them.
But either one's lost or in a knife's edge.
Now, when you see that money was spent, what, $8 million was spent on Caroline Leavitt to beat her in a primary?
Yeah.
You've got to question that.
Joe Kent in a primary.
You've got to question that.
Anna Paulina Luna.
Look, Luna and Kent can be... Luna's in Congress.
Kent is very close to being in Congress.
And Leavitt could have been in Congress.
And then more examples.
So when you talk about $10 or $15 million there, when you talk about, you know, no money put into Mitch McConnell for Blake Masters, $45 or $50 million by Kelly against him.
And right now he's, this thing, the way it could cut with these ballots that are outstanding, he could end up winning.
The question gets to be, where did you put your resources?
Why weren't resources put back to these candidates?
So look, there's going to be a lot of finger pointing and a lot of, as you know, a hot wash up can be done.
But here's what I think people need to focus on.
And I'll even put DeSantis and Trump in that, which I think is kind of performative right now.
Here's what got in front of us.
We have knife fights, political knife fights, all over this country right now to secure more House seats and to actually win the Senate, okay?
This can all be done if people get focused.
At the same time, you have these big leadership, you know, votes that are going to take place next week.
Everybody's coming back into town.
In addition, you've got the lame duck, which the Democrats understand they're going to be out of power in the legislature for a while.
They're going to try to cut every deal in the world, including the debt ceiling.
And simultaneously, you've got putting the agenda together so you can fire up the football on 3 January.
That's all got to take place with Thanksgiving and Christmas in the next six weeks.
This is as crowded and as crazy as I've ever seen things.
And to me, people are going to focus, or what you're going to do is get a $20 trillion lift to the debt ceiling.
You're going to get all kinds of deals.
Remember, a lot of these guys in the Senate are never coming back.
Nancy Pelosi's never coming back.
These people are going to cut deals for their donors, for their lobbyists, for their corporate sponsors.
That are going to last a lifetime.
So the lame duck is going to be an orgy, and we have to stop that.
The agenda for next year, we have to make sure we get Biden in that because you've got to fire off the football, right?
This leadership votes are incredibly important.
On top of that, we're still trying to find out and figure out who's actually going to be in the House and who's going to be in the in the Senate.
And here's the important thing.
These are all our people.
You know, Bovert, Joe Kent, Sarah Palin, Kelly Chebaka, Uh, you know, black salt, uh, Blake Masters, Carrie Lake, uh, does a couple of house seats and standing in Arizona.
So these are, of course, the two secretaries of state, Mark Fincham and, uh, and Jim Marchand, who are the two most, uh, important secretary of state we're going to have.
So it's just so much going on.
And I think that's why people really got to focus their time and energy.
I mean, I'm thinking right now of changing my schedule.
I may even go back out to Arizona.
The situation out there where they just announced they're going to slow walk these votes is just not acceptable.
So I think people have got to be mobilized and they have to be on point here or things are going to slip away.
Well we're going to connect later on the show today to Arizona to Chris Buzkirk of American Greatness and Carrie Lake will be on the show as well so you don't want to go anywhere guys.
I still haven't asked you, we're up against the heartbreak about the whole DeSantis-Vice-Trump phenomena.
Can you stay with us for a few more minutes Steve?
Sure.
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Hey, Steve. - Yes sir.
We're going to keep the mics on for the Rumble audience.
And then I'll keep you for one more segment, then I'll let you go.
But we've got to talk about the whole, you know, Trump v. DeSantis thing.
So you're thinking of going out there?
I just got in from Arizona.
I'm thinking of going right back.
Oh my gosh.
No, this thing could get that ugly.
So I'm thinking of actually flying back there tonight.
And then the fact that Mark Elias went to Pennsylvania and not Arizona, what does that tell you?
Well, you mean, he went to Pennsylvania to secure that.
He's free now.
You mean when he did it?
Yes.
Because he wanted to lock down Sotomayor's victory.
Yeah.
He wanted to lock down Sotomayor.
But hey, he's going to show up in Arizona, trust me.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
And then the best strategy for Georgia?
As in what?
The next 30 days.
I think it's, you mean, should Trump go to Georgia?
Yeah.
I think, I think, I think whatever helps Walker, and I think obviously Trump helps tremendously, particularly with the Trump-MAGA base in the rural part of the state.
But I think whatever Herschel needs, we need that seat.
Obviously, Herschel, with the Libertarian out, should be unbeatable, but it's going to be another knife fight.
They're going to spend a billion dollars in Georgia between now and the 6th.
It's going to be a tough one.
Jeff, did you see my theory about the Gingrich Cup?
You love the lieutenant governor of Virginia, right?
Yeah, personally as an individual I do, yeah.
I just don't know how much she knows about running stuff.
Yeah, I think she just came out and announced that she would not support Trump in 2024.
Are you kidding me?
I think she just announced it.
Oh my gosh.
What on earth?
I think you gotta pull that, but it's, uh, what's her name?
What's her name?
Winston Sears.
Winston Sears, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Why on earth would she do that?
Well, in the old days, nobody did that.
In the new days.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alright, what has she done here?
News... You're right!
Three minutes ago.
I think you ought to do some breaking news here then, brother.
Yep, breaking news.
Come in with the breaking news, Alex.
Wow.
Thank you, Steve.
Of course Steve brings us breaking news.
Naturally.
Bloody hell.
Bloody hell.
She didn't tweet it out.
Where did she do that?
It is on... Daily Caller has it.
Oh, what is this?
It's on Cavuto.
How is that possible?
Thursday.
Oh, Fox Business.
She was on Fox Business.
She was on Cavuto.
Of course.
Did Trump endorse her?
Yeah, I think he did.
I think he did.
Can you check it out?
Yeah, can you look that up, Eric?
Can you check out if Trump endorsed Winsome?
Yeah, just that before I tweet this out.
Wow.
and Incredible.
Text me Jeff when you've got the audio.
Yeah.
Yeah.
With breaking news, here's Sebastian Gorka.
Credit where credit is due.
It's thanks to our guest, because I'm sure he's got multiple Blackberries that he's operating right now.
We have breaking news.
Winsome Sears, very much in the Trumpian mold, Lieutenant Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia, has said on Neil Cavuto's show on Fox Business that she cannot support President Trump for 2024.
Oh, how soon, though.
Backstabbers reveal themselves.
Steve, this goes perfectly to what we wish to discuss with you.
I just made a list of those who have already started to draft President Trump's obituary.
They include crazy leftists like Joe Scarborough.
They include Swamp creature rhinos like Paul Ryan, Karl Rove and Ben Shapiro.
When those are the cast of characters who are calling for DeSantis to replace Trump, shouldn't that be a signal that you shouldn't be in agreement with Ben Shapiro and Joe Scarborough and Karl Rove?
All I know is that President Trump is going to go for a free Pete and is going to repeat and is going to be President of the United States.
So I think, I do, I am of the opinion, I was the first person to say that he should come out early.
It announced, you know, five or six months ago, I argued that he should announce Ed Maralaga in front of the sticks after the, uh, after he was, um.
After the Maralaga raid, um, I, uh, but that didn't happen.
I was not a fan of announcing before, you know, slightly before the, uh, uh, the midterms.
Uh, and, uh, but I do believe he should wait to after the, um, Herschel Walker.
Uh, runoff in Georgia.
I think we need to focus on that.
And then afterwards, if he wants to do the announcement, I think it'd be great.
I'm an advocate of doing sooner rather than later.
But I think right now, all eyes ought to be closing on Nevada, Arizona, and that all important Georgia seat.
So we have control of the Senate.
We need to shut down these judges.
I think that's just an urgent matter.
But look, I also tell people, I happen to think, I know Seb, you read the book, The Dark Valley, which is an incredible history of the 1930s.
I think 2023 is going to be one of the most turbulent years in global, in American history with financial markets.
Is this another turning, Steve?
Is this the next turning?
Well, I think we're still in the turning.
I think this is just, we're not out of it.
I think we're still in the fourth turning, but this is going to get more intense.
If people think the last 10 years, since the financial crisis, with everything that's going on in the Trump movement, Have been intense.
I don't think you've seen anything yet.
I think the global capital markets, particularly the amount of debt that the world has, I think it's really going to come crashing down.
England was to what's going to happen globally, what happened to the Bank of England and the capital markets over there about six weeks ago when Truss's government was turfed out, is to what's going to happen in 2023 as bloody Kansas was to the Civil War, kind of a preamble.
And so I think that we're in turbulent times.
I think it's got to be, you know, obviously we have tons of work to do to make sure the House and the Senate, you know, thwart the Biden regime.
And I just think people have got to be, this other stuff about Trump versus DeSantis, I think is kind of immature.
I mean, I agree with you.
It's immature, it's performative, it's also a trap, but it's also asinine.
Because why is he a successful governor?
Because he ran in the mold of Trump.
He's the mini-me to Trump's national MAGA agenda.
So the idea that you ditch the person that gave you the mold, it's counterfactual.
Well, the bigger problem I have is that it's really driven by Ken Griffin and Paul Singer and Steve Schwartzman and other people.
It's driven by the big wealthy people.
The money guys.
The money guys.
These are the guys.
I don't think Ron DeSantis is thinking clearly would ever want to go up in primary President Trump, right?
I think he's getting tons of pressure from the big donors, not the guys writing million dollar checks or five million dollar checks, the guys that are writing a hundred million dollar checks.
I think you're seeing, particularly Ken Griffiths, up front.
He moved to Miami to be close to, in Florida, to be close to the Santas.
He wants the Santas as president.
He doesn't want Trump.
He's prepared to put any amount of money to stop President Trump.
Paul Singer's led the Never Trump movement in 15 and 16.
He's a deep pocket.
I think you've got Schwarzman and many, many others that are there.
So you've got the money, and they're putting pressure.
They don't want President Trump because they don't want a populist, nationalist, you know, president back in the White House.
Well, they want somebody who they can control.
Last question.
It's the one that's neuralgic for me, Steve.
I know it is for you.
If, God willing, we do our part.
If Biden continues to destroy America, then President Trump will walk back into the White House.
But the only thing that matters at that point is the execution of the will of the people, which cannot be done unless we have a bench of people who aren't seditionists, who aren't treasonous, like Kelly, like Vindman and like everybody else.
Is anybody working on this?
I hear news out of, you know, CPI and Meadows and others, but I don't see any real substantive work on a personnel policy that will secure MAGA for 2.0 in a second term.
Give us some good news No, I think there are.
I think there are a number of groups out there.
I've spoken to two or three of these groups.
They're people that are getting the verticals up.
For instance, we have people showing up saying we have 4,000 political appointees.
A thousand of those have to be Senate-confirmed.
They have 3,000 walking day one.
I think the plan is, with the beachhead teams and the landing teams and then the takeover, we'll have all 3,000.
Unlike last time, Seb, as you know, it took us months and months and months and never really even got to the 3,000.
I think you'll have 3,000 I think you'll have networks set up.
I think you'll have people trained.
I think people will be ready to go.
That is, I think we're going to have the team.
I think, just like this last election, you saw the Kerry Lakes come up, right?
You saw a whole new rising agenda.
Ana Paulino-Lundas.
Even people like Tudor Dixon, who didn't quite make it.
Caroline Leavitt.
You're building a bench.
These are really the children of Trump, politically, for elective office.
You're seeing the exact same thing happen, I think.
On taking on the administrative state.
Remember, these people are going in not just to work inside the belly of the beast, it's to take the beast apart.
The key thing is to deconstruct the administrative state, make sure the government is small and tough, right?
And able to enforce its will where it needs to enforce its will, but to make sure that it's not the Leviathan that has been created.
So I think it's, I think on that part, I feel more comfortable than a lot of other parts.
I think people are working and you've got everybody from the community on the present danger who are doing things on the foreign policy and national security side to many, many other groups, including the legal people, etc.
So that I think people should take comfort that there is a lot of work going on, whatever the vertical is, whatever to be subject matter experts of people are working away on that right now.
See, that's that's why he's Steve Bannon.
Listen to that one phrase he dropped there that we hopefully will discuss later on his show today.
The children of Trump.
That's the significance of Tuesday.
The candidates who came in as the children of Trump.
Listen to him!
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Ray in Livermore is back!
Ray, welcome.
Dr. G, thank you for having me on.
Thanks for having me.
We were worried that you'd been ambushed by the VC when you were on the line and then you dropped.
We were worried about you, buddy.
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All right.
What do you think?
What do you think of our chat with Steve Bannon?
It was great.
In fact, I wanted to say the same thing, that this whole Trump v. DeSantis, we gotta get away from this.
This is a leftist wet dream.
This is a trap.
They want to pit us against our own selves, okay?
We know who the enemy is.
It's not DeSantis, and it's not Trump.
I've even heard some of the people on our side saying this.
You have to pick one or the other.
No, you do not.
And do not fall for this.
And the whole red wave thing, you know, not happening.
They're trying to blame Trump, the rhinos and the swampers.
A dozen rallies or so?
I lost count.
But how many rallies did Mitch McConnell do?
I already know the answer.
Zero.
Mitch McConnell's been running the GOP in the Senate since 2018.
How come he doesn't get blamed for anything, Ray?
It's so weird.
Zero.
Fire the petty tyrant that is Mitch McConnell as soon as possible.
In fact, I say that there are some great candidates to do a job that Mitch McConnell won't do.
We need to hire Beto O'Rourke, Stacey Abrams, and Charlie Criss, because those three have done more to elect Republicans than Mitch McConnell has ever done.
So we've got to get these guys on board.
If we're smart, that's what we would do.
That is superb.
I'm going to quote you.
I'm going to tweet that out later.
That's just so good.
That's why you're Ray from Livermore.
Welcome back, dear buddy.
Let's go from one of our fighters to another one of our fighters, this time on the East Coast.
Judy in Brooklyn.
Hey, that's why I call him Sunshine Ray.
I like that!
Sunshine Ray.
That's great.
Yes.
We're going to have a party one day.
We've got to bring all of you to DC.
We've got to bring Antoinette, Don, John, you, Ray, Brent.
That would be fun, wouldn't it, Judy?
I think it would.
Absolutely.
I agree.
So, you know, I didn't sleep all night.
I was just like up and my head was just like busy and whatever.
So I wanted, first of all, I want to share something very important I want to share with you, but before that, before hearing even Steve Bannon, I told Jeff when I called, I said the main focus should be on this election between Hershel Walker and Warnock, and why don't they exploit Warnock and expose him for who he is?
He tried to murder his wife twice, run her over, He's a horrible, evil man, and Hershel Walker is so sincere, you can tell.
He's truly virtuous and caring, and he's an all-American candidate, and all the top guns, all the Republican top guns should come out and push Walker over the finish line, because it's so important.
But I do want to share something with you, because I was up, and I was thinking to myself, and I'm telling you now.
You've got 30 seconds.
Share away.
I literally, I close my eyes.
With the rhetoric against President Trump, I kind of close my eyes.
Dr. Gorka, I search deep within me, in my gut, in my whole being, and when I open my eyes, I believe Trump is still the best And I'm ready to verbally fight for him.
He represents me totally.
He's the original, inspirational, true leader.
And I'm loyal to him.
And I can't even tell you, in my gut and everything, he's the one.
We're going to talk about the word loyalty.
It really doesn't get discussed at all nowadays.
And Jeff had a very interesting take on that.
Absolutely concur with you, my friend.
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Welcome back.
I want to do something a little bit different.
We kind of save the fun stuff for Fridays and then Monday afternoon with our Making Movies Great Again, but the algorithms did something right a few months ago and they They had this channel pop up on my YouTube feed.
Yes, I hate YouTube, but I'm also an addict.
And it belongs to an individual called the Ragerholic, or he otherwise goes by the Nom de Guerre of Razorfist.
And his political commentaries...
They're a little bit salty, I'm gonna be trepidatious about his use of language for the next nine minutes, but man are they on the money.
And then not only that, when a week ago his review of the best movie ever made came up and I agreed with every scintilla of his review of Blade Runner, let's invite him on the show.
He is known as RazörFist.
RazörFist, welcome to America First!
Godspeed, and I can't tell you how glad I am to be talking about film noir on a national radio show.
It doesn't get enough love from people who aren't card-carrying communists on terms of classic movies.
And you do concur with me that the best movie ever made is Blade Runner, correct?
Yes, yes, undoubtedly.
I had a period actually in my, gosh, sophomore and freshman years in college where I think every single day when I came home from class I re-watched it.
It was a ritual.
It became a ritual after a while.
I can't tell you how many times I've watched it.
I've got it on my phone and whenever I'm traveling and I can't get Wi-Fi, I am watching it.
All right, let's talk about who Razorfist is.
You've got to follow this guy on Twitter at Razorfist with the O is the number zero, Razorfist.
His YouTube channel is superb.
If you faint when strong language is used, do not subscribe.
But if you believe in America, if you believe in meritocracy, you've got to watch his video.
So tell us a little bit about yourself, how you got into political commentary.
Somebody's listed you somewhere on IMDB or somewhere as a comedian.
To me, you're not a comedian.
You are a very precise user of the English language and a very canny political commentator.
So who is RazörFist?
I actually kind of have a similar set of natures as you.
I had, uh, well, I suppose...
In the same field.
I wanted to originally get into radio, right?
So people like Michael Savage and Roy Masters were big inspirations for me.
I studied political science and I really wanted to get into broadcasting.
Did a little bit of internet radio early on that turned out to basically be podcasting before podcasting existed.
And then that just transferred over to YouTube and I started covering all subjects from politics to Video games and movies and entertainment.
I personally believe that you can't complain about the culture, you have to become the culture.
So whenever I hear people in conservatopia claim that you can't talk about entertainment media because it's not a serious subject, it's like you don't understand that politics is downstream from culture and vice versa as well.
You can't abandon the culture.
That was one of the great mistakes That was made in the 1960s.
There used to be counter.
This is something people don't realize.
There were always communistic messages in Hollywood movies in the 20s and 30s.
I made another video called Hollywood Was Always Red, where I discussed that in detail.
But the difference between then and now was there were counter-communist films.
For every High Noon, there was a Rio Bravo.
When conservatives abandoned the culture, I think that was a huge mistake.
So I began discussing that, and I still do.
Well, we need far more razor fists out there.
Watch this guy on YouTube, follow him on Twitter.
Let's talk politics.
Let's go straight to the chase here.
A little cut from the senile old man in the White House, which is actually amazing news if you love this country, because he's such an idiot.
Cut one from yesterday.
Play cut.
What in the next two years do you intend to do differently to change people's opinion of the direction of the country, particularly as you contemplate a run for president in 2024?
Nothing.
I said the two big conclusions from Tuesday is America fired Nancy Pelosi and Biden's such a cretin that he's actually going to run in 2024 because he thinks that they won on Tuesday.
Give us your take on the last three days in American politics and also the quote-unquote conservatives who want to dump my old boss President Trump.
I completely agree.
I personally believe, when you're looking at Biden here, you understand that he was going to look to Obama for an example of this.
And Obama suffered a tremendous reversal in 2010.
Did he seem chastised, particularly at the time?
Not really.
He came out to the camera, smiled, and it didn't really matter.
But yes, as you've alleged, you see so-called conservatives and America Firsters falling for this reckless pablum.
I mean, look, I have my criticisms of Trump, but Ann Coulter says the wall was never built, which is a weird one, considering I've been down to the Arizona border and took photos of a wall that was never built.
Then again, I guess you'd be obsessed with the wall, too, if you'd hit it as hard as Ann Coulter has.
But I absolutely have my issues with Trump, but I think the election itself is not a referendum.
If you were to consider it this way, If you were to look for a referendum on Trump endorsements and whether or not they impact elections or not, would you pick A, the primaries, which after the endorsement then, just a couple weeks later, you vote on those endorsements, or would you pick the midterms, which take place months hence, after the other side has had their counterargument under withering and heavily funded opposition?
I tend to believe that the former is probably more instructive than the latter.
That is so important.
The primaries and the success of the primaries is the real metric for whether the Trump phenomena is alive and well.
All right.
We need to have a longer discussion.
Mr. G, let's book this guy back.
Let's get him up on Skype.
Let's talk.
Culture, let's talk movies.
But I've got one last question for Razorfist.
Follow him on Twitter.
Razor, the O is a zero.
It's the Razorholic.
It's Razorfist, the channel on YouTube.
Can't wait to see the Hollywood Was Red review as well.
When it comes to Blade Runner, Razor, voiceover or no voiceover?
I'm sorry.
I'm a film noir traditionalist.
I get a lot of hate for this.
I love the international theatrical cut with the voiceover.
I do too!
It's not a noir movie without the voiceover.
Are we crazy?
I know!
It's not the best voiceover.
No!
I won't claim it's the best voiceover, but it's, as the mood, it used to be back in the day, you may remember this if you've been a fan of the film for a long time, but for a long time, the only way you could get that voiceover was the Criterion Laserdisc.
Yes.
And I actually tracked it down.
I've had a copy for years!
Just to get that voiceover.
I had to have that Marlo Sam Spade voiceover.
All right.
Not only does he understand what the best movie is in the world, he understands which version of the five is the best version.
God bless you.
Godspeed.
Raise a fist.
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Dr. G, you know how honored I always am when you have Razorfist and what was that other guy's name?
Oh, you mean Bannon?
You know who I mean.
You know who I'm talking about, Ben.
And of course, Ray and Judy to open for me.
I mean, come on.
I know, I know.
We've got to warm up the audience for you.
Come on, be quick, because I've got to get to Don, I've got to get to Antoinette.
Come on!
Well, I will next time I call in.
Let's be unusually concise and laconic, so while we're talking about the vocabulary here.
Let's cut the legs out of the whole Trump-DeSantis thing by having Trump announce that DeSantis is going to be his vice presidential candidate next Tuesday.
How would you deal with that?
I like that.
Somebody at Mar-a-Lago said he should also consider making him a member of the cabinet.
I think that defuses it.
Absolutely.
And of course to get Larry Elder in there somewhere in the mix.
I like that.
And there's a couple of others.
No, no, no.
That's it.
You had your chance.
I liked it.
It's a great idea.
Let's jump to Don and then Antoinette.
Don!
Dr. G, what a day, what a day.
You know, this know-your-enemy-know-yourself classic Sun Tzu, you know, it's so obvious the enemy's trying to divide us and unite themselves.
You know, Mr. Trump and Mr. DeSantis need to just simply publicly state we're not going to fall for it, we're not going to allow the enemies of America and our domestic enemies to divide us.
This happens as a young man.
Wait your turn.
You'll be there.
Not to worry.
Yes!
And the trouble is, if he looks like he's stabbing Trump in the back, the Trump voters won't show up and we won't win anyway.
So what's the point?
Yeah, let's get him in the cabinet.
I love it.
The enemy wants to spread us.
We can't let them.
Let's go to Antoinette.
Thank you, Don.
Hey, Dr. G. It's not a Jedi mind trick.
It's actually a Democrat trick.
Last Thursday, I delivered ballots, and I also did mine.
I'm so glad you pressed the fact to vote early, because that afternoon I was in a serious accident.
Right now, I'm speaking to you from my bed at a rehab center, but what's so amazing, Dr. G, and it's shocking, you don't even have to be religious.
The abortion is homicide, and this Godless, bastard, mole man.
Newsome.
It's just crazy what's going on.
But what's even worse, Dr. G, is the Republican Party that is not supporting those Republicans that need to be supported.
Plus, do not, do not, people, let the media, the Democrats, divide us.
Trump first, number one.
And then DeSantis.
He has time.
He is young, Dr. G. Right.
I didn't know you had an accident.
Stay on the line.
I need to talk to you in the break.
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Everybody, prayers for this warrior, the voice for the voiceless.
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You want the mics off?
Yes.
Yes.
Thank you.
Another election run by a bunch of clowns and we're not going to take it anymore.
We will restore faith to our elections.
Maricopa County has screwed us over once again and they can call me whatever they want.
Incompetency?
I hope there's been no malice involved.
I know there's been incompetency.
That was Carrie Lake on The War Room.
We had Steve Bannon opening the show for us.
If you missed that, you have got to be subscribed.
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Steve Bannon gave us his take of the elections that you just heard Carrie Lake on the war room and let me just read to you what I've seen on Truth Social posted uh just now John Rich the singer.
Carrie Lake is going to need the world's biggest dumpster to hold all the trash she's going to take out when this is all over.
She's about to open a can of war pass like they have never seen before and I can't wait.
Well guess what?
Why don't we connect three million patriots to her right now?
Carrie Lake are you there?
I'm here, Sebastian.
Right, so we need some good news on the ground in Arizona.
We had Harmeet Dhillon yesterday say the GOP was running things but they ran out of stinking printer cartridges for the ballots.
What is going on, Carrie?
You know, it's just the same garbage we've been dealing with since 2020.
And we tried to sound the alarm.
I've been talking about it since the 2020 election.
And everyone, you know, the press, the fake news tries to destroy anybody who spoke up.
Oh, no, it was a perfect election.
Don't look here.
No problems here.
We've got bad elections and we need to reform them.
And what happened on election day was inexcusable.
They can call it a mistake, an honest mistake.
It's ineptitude to a level that is unacceptable.
And we will no longer accept this in Arizona.
It's embarrassing and it's disenfranchising voters, frankly.
When more than a third of our polling places had equipment that didn't work, we've got a major problem.
And so now what we're doing is we're waiting for Maricopa County To count votes, and they're going molasses slow, and we have over 600,000, probably closer to 650,000 ballots left to be counted.
And of those, closer to 400,000 are ballots that people had as mail-in ballots.
They walked them in on election day.
They didn't want to put them in the drop box.
They didn't want to put them on the mailbox.
They walked them in.
We believe we're going to get the major chunk of those votes, but they are not counting them yet.
They're slow walking this.
So the people who bring, the people who bring, even if they're mailed out ballots, the people who bring them in on election day are almost always Republicans.
So that's, that is a very heartening piece of news.
But I have to ask you, so we had, you know, the early reports that Mark Elias, the architect of the 2020 steel, flew first to Pennsylvania to secure that for Federman.
Steve Bannon confirmed that he's on his way to Arizona.
Beyond the incompetence of the GOP, do you have a plan to deal with whatever the Democrats have got planned for you in the next few days? - Well, I mean, we've hired attorneys, we've got poll watchers, we've done everything humanly possible that a candidate can do.
And I've been fighting for 525 days on the campaign trail.
I gave it my all.
We have not just a campaign, we have a movement.
The people of Arizona will not accept another rigged election.
They will not accept this basement dweller and my opponent, this lazy racist who never showed up for work and is running another shoddy election.
They won't accept her as their governor.
They know that what's happening at our elections right now is not right.
And we will give them the chance to count these ballots.
We will raise holy hell if they are committing fraud.
Our attorneys will raise holy hell.
But the problem is, that has to go through the courts.
So we are asking for prayers, and we're asking that we remain diligent in watching and pressuring our elected officials to do the right thing.
And what we really need to do is call our elected legislators.
And let them know we demand election reform.
We will not take a Band-Aid.
We will not take a small bill that does a little tiny bit.
We want absolute reform, and we'll accept nothing but that.
No more 27, 29 days, one month long of voting with mail-in ballots laying all over the place.
And no more a week and a half of counting where the whole world is looking, going, what's going on, Arizona?
Get your act together.
I'll tell you what, day one we're issuing a declaration of invasion at the border and we are going to call a special session to deal with our elections.
I'm embarrassed for Arizona, I'm saddened for the good people of this state, and I will not put up with this.
That being said, we are 100% confident we win.
There's going to be reform of our elections in Arizona.
Rest assured.
Well, you are within striking distance of the target.
I know you've got to get back to your team to actually formally win the election that you've already won.
But one last question.
Your opponent has to certify her loss against you.
That's just insane.
Well, absolutely.
I mean, and I'm sure she will because that's her job, and it'll be very obvious that she lost.
But we've been asking her to recuse herself since we got into this race.
It's not right if you're running for governor that you're controlling the race, that you have anything to say with our elections.
The whole system is messed up, and that's why when we get into office, we're going to pass legislation that prevents the Secretary of State from having anything to do with an election that He or she is part of.
We'll have to legislate that unfortunately and we will return to election day.
We're no longer going to have an election month in Arizona where we're counting ballots then for an additional one to two weeks.
It's outrageous.
All right, the prayers of three million of Patriots are with you.
Follow this lady.
Go to her website, CarrieLake.com.
That's with a K, Carrie Lake, and also on Twitter at Carrie Lake.
Get back to work taking over the state that you have won.
Thank you, Carrie.
All right, let's get some of your calls in.
She needs to get back to doing what she's doing.
Let's go to Scottsdale, Arizona.
Let's go to David, line four.
Hey Sebastian, how are you?
I'm pissed off after that interview.
How about you?
She's going to be our next governor.
Everyone's rallying around her.
It's going to be her whole team.
I'm serious.
It's going to be Abe Amadei, Blake Masters hopefully, Mark Finch and the whole crew.
I really do think that.
Maybe tomorrow or Saturday.
Who knows?
What is the local media saying there, David?
Tell us about how things are being distorted or whether they're being reported.
What are you seeing in the local Arizona media?
OK.
They're rolling it out really slow.
Mainstream press, all the local news channels.
They don't want to announce it.
I really do think they're going to keep it low key and she's going to win over the weekend.
Tomorrow is Veterans Day.
And like I say, they might announce it tomorrow or Saturday.
They don't like Carrie.
You know that.
She's a fighter.
They don't like that.
I really do think she's gonna win.
Local media are a mess and they're not saying anything.
They're keeping shtum.
Alright.
Any final comment or question before I move on?
Yes.
Can I ask you about Blade Runner?
You may.
The answer may take a few hours and Jeff might be so excited he may faint.
But of course, go ahead.
We should make Jeff watch all five versions.
At the same time!
With the clockwork orange.
With his eyelids pinned back.
How about that?
That would be awesome.
So, out of the five versions, I agree with you 100%.
The narration one, which I first saw in 1984 in an Odeon theatre, was amazing.
But was it the Odeon Leicester Square, David?
No, in Manchester.
That was my haunting ground.
With my best buddy Steve, if a new movie came out, like a Bond movie or a Star Wars movie, we'd get on the Piccadilly line all the way to Leicester Square and see it on a massive screen.
Alright, what's the question?
I'm burning to know what your question is.
Okay, the narration version was great.
What do you think of the other versions, like the director's court, Ridley Scott's version?
Look, it's very simple and I'm just going to go off on a tangent here because I can.
It's my show, I'm not a Blade Runner.
I love the narration because it's not, you don't have, literally, raise a fist is right.
You don't have a film noir, whether it's set in the future or the 1930s, whether it's bogey or whether it's Harrison Ford, you don't have a film noir without a voiceover, without the internalized monologue of the detective, number one.
However, he ran out of cash.
I mean, they fired the producers.
Buddy Orkin fired Ridley Scott halfway through the movie, but they had to finish it.
So he came back to work on it for free.
Not for free.
I mean, he'd already been paid.
And when they ran out of cash, you can see it.
Why?
Because when Rutger Hauer dies in the middle of the night, suddenly he releases the dove and it's a blue sky.
Now, when they fixed it, when they put a dark sky in, in the quote-unquote director's cut, when they fixed the crappy special effects when Zora was killed, and you saw it was a stuntwoman, and they put the CGI on her face.
What's the last thing I can get really excited for Jeff about?
What else?
Oh!
And the ending, that stupid ending they took from The Shining with them escaping to the countryside.
How asinine is that?
Have him walk into the elevator with Rachel, fix the sky, keep the monologue, and you're golden.
Do you concur, David?
I do, and the unicorn too.
Put the unicorn in there.
Yes, yes.
You can have the unicorn.
I'm not sure about the dream footage in the middle, but the little origami unicorn is so cool because they're just so hard to make.
I'm so jealous.
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Titles?
This is Jeff's favorite segment.
That should be the title.
Cut, post those separately.
Carrie Lake.
And then just the end of the discussion with David on Blade Runner.
Okay?
Okay.
So for Carrie, I'm raising Holy Hell.
And then which cut of Blade Runner is best?
And then Razor Fist, Why This Is The Best Movie Ever Made.
Amen.
And then for Bannon, what should... Oh!
The midterms and the children of... Nobody's gonna understand that.
They're gonna think that's Eric and Don.
What should we call it?
Jeff, give me a good title for Bannon.
him um let me see gop mega donors behind desantis oh Oh, yes!
Yes, yes, yes.
GOP megadonors behind DeSantis.
The GOP megadonors behind DeSantis.
Yep, alright.
And also, uh, Posey.
Oh, Posey.
Posey, Posey.
Um, the cult of transgenderism.
I've got one for you then.
I was mentioning it talking with the chat during the RazörFist segment.
I recently finally had the privilege of watching Citizen Kane.
And?
I liked it.
I thought it was good.
My issue with Citizen Kane is it's beautifully shot, Orson Welles is incredible, but it is a bloody pointless film.
I mean, it depends on what you think of the message.
Well, there is no message.
Rosebud didn't mean anything.
It's a pseudo-message.
It's a fake MacGuffin.
Well, no, the message clearly, I thought, what I took from it is the message is he think, think of that day, the snow globe, the sled, it calms him down because he reminds him of the last day he had his innocence.
You know, before he's taken away to be put in this care of this old rich guy and his parents basically forget about him.
And of all things, this has actually been going around on YouTube.
Trump himself did a review of Citizen Kane many years back, a very short review.
And he said the message of the movie is that accumulation of wealth isn't necessarily everything.
You may very well become the richest man in the world.
Where did he do that?
Let me find the video.
I think Mediaite had it.
Wow.
It's actually a good review.
You can tell it's from a long ago, like mid-2000s or so.
Come in with cut three.
Cut three.
I also low-key am a fan of the real Citizen Kane, William Randolph Hearst.
So I couldn't help but enjoy that as well.
Yeah, I just found it too long.
For such a simple message, it was way too long.
No liner, Alex.
Thank you.
If people have instances or proof of fraud, we want to hear that.
But up to this point, we have not.
And right now, we are laser focused on getting through this count and doing it in an accurate way.
By the way, we anticipate 95-99% of the votes will be counted in Maricopa County by the end of the day this Friday.
That's the supervisor for Maricopa County.
The election was on Tuesday.
You absolute incompetent.
And you won't even finish.
You left 95% on Friday!
95% on Friday?
You should be fired!
How do these people get their jobs?
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Mary, Lou, Aaron, Anne, Sam, and Master.
But I love it when we have regular guests and guest hosts who listen to the show.
I just got a text from crazy Colonel K. He says he's enjoying the show.
He's loving the show.
And he also said, most importantly, good call on Blade Runner.
See?
Even Colonel K agrees.
Good call on Blade Runner.
We need you!
Yes, we need you, Kurt, in Arizona doing the Voight-Kampff test to find out who the people are who are undermining Carrie Lake.
One more cut before we go to the calls.
Paul Ryan!
Guess what Paul Ryan said about Trump?
If you're in agreement with Paul Ryan, you should probably think again.
Cut 11.
I think we're going to have to do a lot of soul-searching and, you know, head-scratching and looking through and parsing the numbers as to why we didn't perform as well as we would have liked to have.
Why do you think it is?
I mean, I think Trump's kind of a drag on our ticket.
I think Donald Trump gives us problems politically.
We lost the House, the Senate, and the White House in two years when Trump was on the ballot or in office.
And I think we just have some Trump hangover.
I think he's a drag on our offices.
What a pathetic, sad little man.
A drag on the ticket.
If he's a drag on the ticket, what were you, Paul Ryan?
Wow, do you remember he was like a vice president nominee?
What a pathetic little man.
Here's a little factoid for you, Paul Ryan.
Tell me which incumbent president in history gained the most votes.
Yeah, which one?
Was it Abraham Lincoln?
Was it Obama?
Was it Clinton?
Was it Kennedy?
Was it Reagan?
Yes, it was that drag on the ticket!
Donald Trump.
Why is anybody even interviewing him?
Pathetic!
Let's go to Pennsylvania.
Line four, Mary Lou.
Hi, Sebastian.
Hey.
I was wondering if you I think the same way as me that Pennsylvania showed how they cheated in 2020 election.
No, I agree.
Pennsylvania is a perfect example.
You have voting that starts 50 days before the election.
You mail out the ballots and half of the people actually vote before the first debate.
That's not democracy.
That's not even a republic.
That's how you steal an election, Mary Lou.
I agree with you, but in 2020, it took Pennsylvania a month to count the votes.
But it's funny, in this election, it only took them one day.
Isn't that interesting?
How fascinating.
Thank you, Mary Lou, for your observations.
Let's go to Aaron Arkansas, Line 5.
Hey, I just got a shirt idea for you.
Yeah, go ahead.
What's your idea?
It's for the truckers.
Basically, it's just keep America first trucking or keep trucking America first.
Put a nice old truck on there with the outline of the United States.
Something like that.
I like it.
I like it.
I think our truckers will like it too.
Keep trucking America first.
We will tell Randy, our merch master, to work something up.
I think that's a great idea.
Let's go to Ann in Arizona.
line two.
I'm a precinct committeeman and I worked as an electioneering position yesterday, 75 feet back from the door and I had an experience with a never-Trumper.
I'm I was passing out the Golden Ticket Voter Guide for Republicans, so we're interested in having it.
And this man was over there.
I was not expecting someone else to be there.
And he had every right to be there.
And I said, what are you passing out?
And I turned around, I looked at him, and he had a Clint Smith shirt on.
And I said, what are you passing out?
And he was passing out pamphlets to people and saying to people, would you like to get rid of Andy Biggs?
And so I have this person next to me doing that, and I'm trying to do, you know, my job.
Hang on, hang on.
Is this a person who's electioneering inside the building?
No, I was electioneering outside the building.
We both were.
We have to stay 75 feet away from the entrance, which we were.
All right.
So what's your big take home from that person?
Well, my big take home is that these never Trumpers are not going to be brought into the fold.
But we had discussions between people, you know, people coming in.
And I just think Republicans have got to get better at strategy to bring out to get these establishment people to go along with us.
For instance, Carrie Lake ran against Karen Taylor Robeson, and Carrie Lake won.
But, but Robeson never did come over and endorse Carrie And I think that's a problem.
The bigger problem is the establishment doesn't want to fight.
The establishment is afraid of the left or they just want to play footsie under the table.
That's a far, far bigger problem.
Thank you, Anne.
More of your calls.
Anne, we're going to talk to Mr. G next.
He went to Mar-a-Lago with me and we had a lot of fun.
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no no no No, no, no, no, no.
2022 is not over.
Great point.
Every Republican energy needs to go to grinding the Biden agenda to a halt.
And that could go straight through the state of Georgia.
Does that include Trump?
I think he needs to put on pause.
Absolutely.
Look, he'll make that decision.
He'll make his own decision.
But does he go to Georgia?
If I'm advising any contender, DeSantis, Trump, whomever, no one announces 2024 until we get through December 6th.
Do you see the former president a need for him to go to Georgia?
I think we've got to make strategic calculations.
Governor DeSantis, I think he should be welcomed to the state given what happened last night.
You've got to look at the realities on the ground.
And Hershel Walker, we've got to win the Senate.
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Who is gonna be the top cat?
Well, Kayleigh McEnany, what is she doing?
Didn't she work for President Trump?
I do think she did.
On Fox today, she said something unfortunate about President Trump and about Georgia.
Play cut.
No, no, no, no, no.
2022 is not over.
Great point.
Every Republican energy needs to go to grinding the Biden agenda to a halt.
And that could go straight through the state of Georgia.
Does that include Trump?
I think he needs to put on pause.
Absolutely.
Look, he'll make that decision.
He'll make his own decision.
But does he go to Georgia?
If I'm advising any contender, DeSantis, Trump, whomever, no one announces 2024 until we get through December 6th.
Do you see the former president a need for him to go to Georgia?
I think we've got to make strategic calculations.
Governor DeSantis, I think he should be welcome to the state given what happened last night.
You've got to look at the realities on the ground.
And Herschel Walker, we've got to win the Senate.
That's it, guys.
So we've got to win the Senate, but the man who got 74 million votes shouldn't go to Georgia?
What's the logic there, Kayleigh?
I'm curious.
I might have to text you for you to explain that to me.
Let's talk about the election with a man who has rather good political instincts.
He's not too bad at producing radio either.
And he just got back.
It was a little complicated, but he just got back from Mar-a-Lago.
Mr. G, that was a tough journey back, wasn't it?
That wasn't too bad.
They cancelled my flight in the middle of the night.
Ended up leaving seven hours later than I was supposed to from a different airport 40 miles away.
It's pretty easy.
And then we were at Mar-a-Lago.
It was your first visit, right?
Yeah, first time there.
And then we left at, what, about 11 o'clock.
I said, let's go to bed.
And you stayed awake till what?
Until about four o'clock in the morning, waiting for results that were never going to happen.
The results that we still don't know.
How did you enjoy Mar-a-Lago?
What did you think of Mar-a-Lago?
It's unbelievable.
I mean, it's bigger than the pictures than you think.
It's nicer.
It's definitely the nicest place I've ever been to.
Did you enjoy the cigar we had?
That was the best part of it.
You never go to a place like that and they let you smoke a cigar.
Until?
Well, someone was coming down, so we had to move out of the way.
Yeah, we had to move out of the way.
The Secret Service said, yes, could you stop smoking those cigars right now?
All right, the reaction.
Since Tuesday, what is going on Jeff?
And the reaction you have to Steve Bannon's take on what's really behind this DeSantis thing.
Wasn't that interesting what Steve said today?
No, I like that.
I believe that a lot.
Griffin's actually publicly come out Explain for those who didn't catch the opening of the show what Steve said.
He was talking about the GOP mega donors like Ken Griffin the guy that's gonna put a hundred million into the election and he actually publicly came out I think it was last Friday or Saturday over the weekend and he said that it's time for Trump to move on and he wants DeSantis to run.
So do you think DeSantis is going to fall for this?
Or do you think he understands that the route to his success is to be a Veep or a cabinet member?
What's your feeling about the next year?
That's what depends.
I mean, it's been like a switch since Tuesday.
Everybody's saying it's time to move on.
It's got to be DeSantis.
When you're hearing that about yourself, even if you don't think it, you hear that long enough, it's going to start getting to him.
But my problem is, This biggest thing that everybody's saying is the argument is idiotic.
They're saying that DeSantis is basically Trump without the baggage, without the chaos.
And if you look at that, the reason that Trump's been attacked so much by the establishment, they've done the witch hunts, the impeachments, trying to put him in jail six different times, because he's a threat to the establishment.
So you mean to tell me then that would mean that DeSantis is going to do everything that Trump would do, but they're just going to sit back because he talks nicer?
It makes zero sense.
Yeah, because if he's the candidate, they're going to be nice to DeSantis, right?
Well, they might be if DeSantis gets in line.
Oh, you mean if he gets in line with the establishment.
Absolutely.
Come on, guys.
If you are in agreement with Paul Ryan, Joe Scarborough, Ben Shapiro, who else do we have?
Jeb Bush.
Jeb Bush.
Karl Rove.
Yes.
Asa Hutchinson.
How does that represent?
What did you whisper in my ear?
Oh sorry, Jonah Goldberg.
If you're in agreement with Jonah Goldberg, you're not very magger, are you?
And the Lincoln Project.
They're pushing it.
They're loving the fight.
Rick Wilson has been tweeting up a storm at how much he's loving this fight between the Santas and Trump.
Do you mean the pedo boys?
Yes, the Lincoln Project pedo boys.
How is John Weaver, by the way?
Do we know how John Weaver is?
You know, John, he founded the Lincoln Project.
Hey, guys, consider the Lincoln Project.
Give us an update.
I mean, you love to tweet so much.
What's up with the guy who's propositioning?
One of your founders was propositioning young men.
Is that what Republicans do?
Is that what men of moral fiber do?
There's certainly some kind of fiber but it ain't moral.
Alright that was Mr. G back from Mar-a-Lago.
It was a little bit of a difficult trip back but we had fun and what's gonna happen on Tuesday?
Has somebody told me who works directly for the president right now?
It's carved in stone!
He's gonna announce.
We might have to go back to Mar-a-Lago on Tuesday.
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Alright, are we clear here with no more guests, right?
Yeah, Jeff's getting a busker to Skype now.
And then we've got Bannon, right?
Yes, 5.15.
And topic, of course, is midterm results.
And we still need to do a Patriot Supply.
Well, that's not important.
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Hey, Chris.
Hi, how are you?
How you doing?
I don't know yet.
Can I tell you on Monday?
Yes.
We had Carrie Lake on half an hour ago, so you're in good company.
Oh, she's already been on.
Okay, good.
Yeah, I saw in your tweet that she was coming on.
I didn't know if she was before or after.
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Yeah, it's like me.
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He used to work for Breitbart, but he ain't no conservative.
This is what he had to say about Lauren Bobert on MSNBC.
Rather sexist, if you ask my opinion.
Cut nine.
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What's the meaning if Lauren Boebert, the second most popular QAnon congressperson in MAGA, what if she goes, what if she loses?
And what job will she have?
Because I don't even think shooters exist anymore.
I don't think shooters exist anymore.
Well, I guess it might be a game for OnlyFans.
I don't know what she would do in this scenario.
So his answer is she should take her clothes off on the internet.
Why is the left full of misogynists and perverts?
Kurt Bardella, you're a disgusting pig of a man.
But that's typical for the left.
Alright, today is America First in Arizona Day.
We may be here in the swamp, but we have spoken to Steve Bannon at the top of the show.
He gave us his take.
We checked in with Carrie Lake.
And now for what's happening on the ground, our good buddy, the founder, the editor-in-chief of that superb website, American Greatness, Chris Buskirk.
Welcome back to America First.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
So in the break, before you came on, I asked you as an old friend, how you doing?
And what was your reply?
Can you ask me again on Monday?
Okay, so it sounds as if you're not feeling too good.
No, I feel good.
It's been a long week, a long month, it's been a long election season, and being in Arizona, as you know I'm a native, I'm not entirely happy with the way we conduct our elections, which is about three rungs below the way your average Latin American country handles their elections, because they get ballots counted The same day.
We are likely not to have final, final numbers until sometime next week.
And it's just super frustrating.
You've been involved in the political world for long enough.
Help me as a naive resident of the swamp.
How is it that the GOP are in charge in terms of running the election?
They close down a third of their polling stations, and then in a system where they have to print the ballots in front of the voter, they run out of printer cartridges, and when somebody suggests, oh, there's a backup
voting tabulator if the first one breaks but it's for handicapped people and one of the officials says you can't use the handicapped one for non-handicapped voters because that's a felony.
How does this happen?
I mean, there's incompetence and then there's a kind of scratching your head.
Is this really incompetence-incompetence?
Yeah, no, I know.
I've had Trying to think where to start.
It's incompetence.
Like, it really is just embarrassingly gross incompetence.
And I've got, you know, friends have been emailing me like smart, successful, accomplished people.
And everybody comes back to the same thing because they wonder, like, how can you actually run something so poorly?
Like, surely this must mean that there's like a conspiracy.
And like, I really don't think there's a conspiracy.
You just have the lowest common denominator when it comes to running this stuff.
A friend of mine likes to say he's a prolific donor to Republican stuff, and so candidates always go and see him, and they ask him for money.
And he says, Chris, I have this heuristic I use for candidates when they come and ask me for money.
Would I hire them for position at my firm?
He says, it doesn't have to be a high level position, just anything.
Like would I let them sweep the floor?
He says, the answer is always no, but I give them the money anyway.
And these are the people running the elections.
Like you would not let them house sit your cactus because they wouldn't be able to do it well enough to keep the cactus alive.
Like some of this stuff where you don't have enough paper, where you don't have enough printer cartridges, like this is just so beyond dumb and it's got to get fixed.
By the way, I know you had Carrie Lake on earlier.
This has to be job one, I think, for her when she becomes governor.
She needs to just basically call the folks down in Florida who do it right.
And say, tell me how you guys run your elections in Florida, because you guys have everything counted by 11 p.m.
They fixed it in Florida after that notorious election, so it can be fixed.
I've got to ask you, big picture, Tuesday's take home, my big, so what is two things?
America fired Nancy Pelosi, and Biden's such an imbecile that he thinks he actually won, and he's running in 2024.
Both of those are superb.
What are Chris Buskirk's big takeaways?
Well, Biden might think it's 2024 right now, to be fair, so he might think he's actually out on the campaign trail as we speak.
I guess I have a very practical takeaway, I guess maybe two of them, about this year.
One is that we need to do a much better job being organized, like at a grassroots level.
Because if we were more organized at a very basic level, some of these close wins that turned into losses, there were some in the House.
You saw a couple up in Ohio.
You saw them around the country.
And some of these ones, you know, in the Senate, they would have been victories.
Like, this is a very low turnout election.
Low turnout among Republicans.
And I say shame on us for that.
We should have done better.
And the other element is, at the other end of the spectrum, is our donor class did not step up.
At all.
Whether they were fatigued, whether they were, I don't know, mad at President Trump because the donors seem to be.
I don't think they're right about that, by the way.
But, you know, you cannot have a situation like you had in Arizona or in, say, Michigan, where Tudor Dixon was outspent 5-1.
You can't have that.
We don't have to spend as much money as the Democrats do, but we cannot let our statewide candidates get outspent five to one, or we're gonna lose.
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Look, folks may say that the number one issue is inflation, or they may say the number one issue is abortion.
I think those had an impact in the election.
But I think things like the January 6th committee hearings, like the attack on Paul Pelosi, I think all of that was creating a real discomfort in people's hearts.
And it's why you didn't see a wipeout like you saw.
So I think I was heartened.
This is just the beginning.
Yeah, is that why two seats held by J6 committee members were flipped?
Don't be so rude, Eric.
How dare you?
That will be one great thing, is when they take the majority, they'll finally shut that committee down.
That'll be nice, but... You think they try to go for one last indictment or subpoena or something before... Oh, definitely.
Definitely.
Fifty seconds.
Hmm.
What happened with Joe Kent?
Did he win, or...?
He's still down.
I think, when the votes come in, he'll probably pull ahead.
That's what happened in the primary.
Like, he was down in the primary, and then the last votes came in.
Oh, the whole West Coast.
Washington, Oregon, California.
they all have problems.
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Randy Knoxville, line two.
Hey, Dr. Gorka.
Hey.
Hey, it's Paul Ryan.
Man, he looks so much like Eddie Murphy.
It just freaks me out.
Not Eddie Murphy, Eddie Munster!
He does!
He does look like a grown-up Eddie Munster, you're absolutely right.
Yes, absolutely.
I wanted to ask you, Dr. Gorga, I've got trepidation about federalizing elections, but you know these Senate elections, the House of Representatives, they are federal.
No, we mustn't.
We fought a civil war.
Abraham Lincoln showed the states that there is a role for the federal government.
I hate it.
But these shenanigans that these states are pulling on us, I feel that there's— No, no, no, no.
We mustn't.
We mustn't federalize elections.
It's no, no, no, no, no.
And who?
Nancy Pelosi and Merrick Garland are going to be in charge of it?
Could you imagine if that had been the case?
It would have been no Republicans elected.
Zero.
Bad idea, Randy.
Don't do it.
I'm asking.
That's why I'm asking.
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
Don't.
You can't do it.
It should be as per the U.S.
Constitution.
State houses, but they've got to have the testicles to actually do their job.
Sam Orlando, welcome.
Boss man, boss man, boss man.
Great show, great show.
Thank you.
Alright, so listen, here's where I'm at with this.
So they're trying to split the Republican party because you know, if you go into a Republican party for a presidential race and the votes are split, then if there's only one party on the other side, he's going to end up with the most Hang on, we lost you there.
Are you still there, Sam?
If we have anybody like you... Hang on, we lost you there.
Your phone broke up.
Say it again.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Can you hear me?
Alright, so here we are.
They're trying to split the Republican Party.
And if votes are given, the Republicans are automatically going to lose because the numbers are split between two great runnings.
So the Democrat Party is going to have the one running.
He's automatically going to win because the Republican Party is split.
So where I'm at with this, and I think 150 million other people in this country is, is this way.
We're tired of getting kicked.
We're tired of being beat.
We're tired of being squished so we can't breathe no more.
So at this point, we need to play the same way they're playing.
We're going to pick the best Democrat freaking candidate they got to run against Biden, and we're going to split their party.
And that way Trump still has a way to win.
Trump has to win.
So if we got to make it even, Steven, hey, I'd rather have DeSantis with Trump.
But if DeSantis or anybody else Once I freaking run against this man, then we need to do the same thing in the Democratic Party.
We need to get Manchin.
We need to get somebody.
We're out of time.
We're out of time.
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He reached out to the experts, to the Border Patrol agents that are on the front lines every single day, risking their lives, protecting this country, enforcing the laws that Congress enacted.
He reached out to those agents, to those line agents, and asked, what do you need to do your job more effectively to secure and safeguard this country?
And those Border Patrol agents said, we need this.
So this president, thank you.
You listened to the agents, and you gave them exactly what they asked for.
This is your maximum that you could do, and one thing we haven't mentioned is technology.
They're wired so that we will know if somebody's trying to break through, and you may want to discuss that a little bit, General.
Sir, there could be some merit in not discussing that.
Okay.
I like that.
That was a great answer.
Yeah, we're actually not going to tell you how secure this wall is and the kind of technology we're using to protect all Americans.
Seems like ancient history.
That was three years ago at the border wall with my former boss, President Trump, and somebody else who worked for him, former Commissioner of Customs and Border Patrol.
I prefer that.
It's protection today.
He's in studio one-on-one, the one, the only, Distinguished Visiting Fellow at Heritage, Mark Morgan.
Welcome.
Sebastian, thanks for having me.
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By the wall.
President was in good humor.
It seems like that's ancient history.
A secure border.
Where do we begin?
Let me start by this.
Would you do anything differently, Mark Morgan, former Marine, FBI, right?
Correct.
CBP, former commissioner.
Would you do anything differently in the last 19 months as the Biden administration if your goal were to undermine the sovereignty of America and the border?
What else would you do?
No, they're doing exactly.
And Sebastian, this is a good point because we've been out there and other great people like Tom Holman.
I know you talked about this before.
This is not by accident.
This is not incompetence.
The Biden administration is doing exactly as what they intended to do, and they're doing it very, very well.
Their intent was to literally take the most secure border in a lifetime and intentionally unsecure it because they see there's a political gain for that, and they're doing it very, very well.
All right, so we have so much to unpack here.
Let's start for those who haven't caught you on my Newsmax show on America First or on the numerous amazing things you've done since you left the position of Commissioner.
Who is Mark Morgan?
What did you do before you became the Commissioner under President Trump for CBP?
Look, I've been serving this country for 40 years, Sebastian.
I've served under six administrations, both Republican and Democrat.
I started as a young United States Marine.
I was a police officer for Los Angeles Police Department.
I served over 20 years in the FBI.
And I actually was Chief of the United States Border Patrol under President Obama before President Trump brought me back and made me Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection.
I'm going to just ask basic questions because you come on the show and we have a couple of segments with you usually.
We can hit the, you know, the burning issues of the day, the latest lies from Mayorkas, the latest, you know, the 53 dead in an 18-wheeler, illegal aliens the Democrats don't seem to care about.
But will you just do the basics for us?
Your job as Commissioner, the people who work for CBP, the people who work for ICE, who work for HSI, Homeland Security Investigations, There is a way to secure the border.
This isn't voodoo.
We're not guessing at this.
We're not still working it out.
Talk to us about the mission of Homeland Security, of CBP, and the kinds of things that you did in the Trump administration that actually worked.
Explain to us border security, Mark.
So look, the Cousins Border Protection, $62,000 strong, $15 billion budget, and they actually have a vast, very complicated mission.
It's not just about border security, but it's also a counterterrorism, national security mission, going after transnational criminal organizations, and facilitating lawful trade and travel.
CBP, a lot of people don't realize, they're the second largest revenue collectors for the United States outside the IRS.
Wow.
Because all of the tariffs and all of the things, you know, imported goods, you're managing that.
Exactly right.
From every land, sea, and airport in this country.
So it wasn't just about southwest border.
It was protecting this nation from any threats coming in from anywhere from outside the country.
But obviously we're focused on southwest border.
Sebastian, you're right.
It's not complicated.
I don't want to overly simplify something, but it gets bad just like the crime in the United States.
It's about enforcing the rule of law, putting the correct layer of resources and policy in place so that the folks on the front lines can actually do their job.
And look, that's exactly what President Trump was doing.
So explain, when you came in, what was the situation and what did you do to make things better?
Walk us through some of the big muscle movements.
Big ones, real quick.
So, remember, June of 2019, we had a full-blown crisis.
Remember that June in 2019?
140,000 illegal aliens had entered the country.
Well, we had a couple of things.
One is, we needed some infrastructure, right?
Again, if you ask the Border Patrol agents, just like that clip, they'll say, look, it's a multi-layer strategy of infrastructure, technology, and personnel.
Anywhere along the southwest border where that strategy, infrastructure, the wall, technology, and personnel was implemented, Every single measure of success improved.
The border was more secure.
So that's one thing we did.
We turned up the Bunsen burner on that and we started putting more miles of wall in.
That was very successful.
So let's stop there.
The wall, not high-tech, okay?
This isn't drones, this isn't infrared, whatever.
But it works, does it?
It works.
It's very simple.
Just the act of steel and concrete going in the ground acts as a barrier.
It slows down the cartels.
It slows them down so that we, on the front lines, our response time is more effective and our enforcement ability is more effective.
Because they don't get to walk over whenever they want, right?
Right.
It's common sense, Sebastian.
You don't have to be a border security expert to understand that.
And then at the same time, if you remember, there's a really bad lower case decision called the Flores Settlement Agreement that said if you're an unaccompanied minor or a family and you illegally enter the border, we can't detain you.
Boom.
That was a birth of catch and release.
When does Flores begin?
So who brings in the Flores decision?
I mean, it's a judge.
It's a case.
When is it born?
Yeah, 2015 is when they started applying it to families as well as unaccompanied minors.
And you tell me if I'm wrong.
The issue here is, how do you know if it's a real family?
That's exactly right.
How do you know if it's a real minor?
Right?
Because we've seen that before.
We saw the case in Florida.
He said he was 17, he was 21, released, killed his sponsor.
Families, we saw that all the time.
We saw kids that were literally being bought, sold, and rented.
When she was working for you, didn't you guys do a preliminary kind of test run where you do genetic testing on these quote-unquote families?
We did.
thousand bucks and then they smuggle it back and they rent it again and then and please this is you know secondhand but it's from a very good source my wife who was the cbp thank you the press secretary for mark inside dhs when she was working for you didn't you guys do a preliminary kind of test run where you do genetic testing on these quote-unquote families we did and you found a shocking number that they weren't related at all shocking but i tell you what it was shocking to the mainstream folks
but it wasn't shocking to us right so yeah we applied rapid dna and we put resources from hsi the homeland security investigations element of ice down there we work together i can't tell you the numbers that we found of fake families that's all gone away now and And so the issue was then, that's what a catch and release was born, families, right?
That was your automatic passport.
You show up as a family, boom, you're released in.
We went to President Trump and we told him, look, we've got to stop this.
This is creating the tsunami that we're seeing back in 2019.
He said, well, that's dumb.
How do we fix it?
We got an idea.
Remain in Mexico.
So, which means you can apply to become, you know, asylum seeker, which is, you know, certain standards or what have you.
We can talk about that.
But you're not going to do it in America where you can just disappear.
Correct.
You go back to Mexico, file the paperwork and you wait, correct?
That's correct.
Okay.
What?
It was incredibly successful.
It's so funny, some of the other side, the Open Border Advocates, they actually use the numbers to try to say it wasn't successful.
And this is what they'll say, well, you know, you only enrolled about 60,000 people in the program, so was it that successful?
I said, yeah, because 500,000 less came, right?
Because they knew they weren't going to be releasing the next.
Because they couldn't get past the system.
That's exactly right.
One more thing that I have to address as the child of those who were actual refugees who escaped a political prison and who would have been shot if he was recaptured.
That's my dad.
Refugee is a special status.
It's not somebody who wants a better job or to mail money back home.
You have to have reasonable expectation that if you go back home, you're going to be killed or imprisoned.
And also, you have to apply for asylum in the first country you're arriving, correct?
So the idea that 2 million refugees arrived is bogus.
It's a complete lie.
And also it's against international standards.
And Sebastian, I want to submit to you, it's also the worst thing for the migrant themselves.
Because the migrant themselves, when they get here, they don't have any skills, they don't speak the language, they don't understand the culture.
International standards, if you're a true refugee, what you really should want to do is find them a place in the region where their skills translate, their culture translates, their language translates.
This is genius.
So, Christmas six years ago, I took my family to the Middle East.
We went to Israel, but first we went to Jordan, and we went to the biggest refugee camp in the Middle East, just to have a look for ourselves.
The Jordanian police officer, who's a Muslim, who's a Bedouin, said, yes, our goal is to solve this problem closest to the community where they come from, because they eventually want to go back.
Right?
That's a Jordanian police officer in the biggest camp in the Middle East.
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We are following an administration that frankly dismantled our capabilities to address it, and so we are building it from the ground up.
We lost four years of investing in the countries from which these individuals are migrating.
Our safe and orderly systems were torn down, and so we're rebuilding them.
Sometimes being a host of America First is a dangerous activity, especially when I play cuts of Alejandro Mayorkas and I have Mark Morgan in studio, because I can actually see the jugular vein in his neck extending and pulsating.
It's the easiest way to make him angry.
Mark Morgan, you were responsible for the border as the Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection under the Trump administration.
When you hear that, When you hear a man say, we inherited a system that had been dismantled and broken by the Trump administration, the only way I can translate that, I put it through my magic decoder ring for George Orwell, and I get, yes, it was broken because the Democrats wanted open borders.
That's the only way it makes sense.
Am I right?
Yeah, I agree with that.
But I tell you, But he's lying.
It's a complete lie, and you're right.
This is why I literally wake up every day angry and frustrated, because not only did they dismantle and throw away the most secure border in our lifetime, if that's not bad enough, just as an American I get angry, because I know this border, and I know that we have the most secure border in our lifetime under President Trump, and so I know that the Secretary of America's entire administration, Sebastian, they're just blatantly lying to the American people.
It's way beyond D.C.
swamp.
It's a lie.
Because, let's be clear here, this isn't a guy who was shining shoes two years ago.
Correct.
It wasn't a guy who was, I don't know, an accountant.
Alejandro Mayorkas was in a very senior position in the Obama DHS.
I worked for him.
Right.
So, he knows what he's doing.
There's no way this is an accident.
That's right, that's exactly right.
Look, I was Chief of the United States Border Patrol when he was Deputy Secretary.
I worked for him.
I couldn't agree with him more.
He knows he's lying, just like he knew he was lying when he was going after the horse patrol agents, right?
But here's the thing, so they always say that they inherited a dismantled system, but guess what?
Do they ever follow up with facts or examples?
They never do.
But guess what?
I say it's they who dismantled the system, but I followed up with facts.
They got rid of the wall system.
They got rid of the asylum third country agreements with all three Northern Triangle countries.
They got rid of the Remain in Mexico program, and they dismantled ICE through their enforcement restrictions.
And also, I'm not going to use his name because I don't have permission to do so, but I was at an event where a Guy introduced himself to me, an older gentleman, who is an immigration court judge.
And I just had to ask him.
This is, you know, two months ago.
I said, so what's it like now?
I mean, do you actually evaluate?
And he says, no, we're told to just push everybody through.
Push them through.
And then they are told to come back to the court on their own recognizance.
Which means what, Mark?
What happens usually?
They never show up.
And that's another part of the lie.
They'll twist all the statistics.
They'll say, oh no, that's not true, they show up.
No, the truth is, they may show up for their original master hearing, and then that's it.
And to go back to the other thing, asylum seekers, we know, and talked about economic migrants, look, to have a valid asylum claim, it means that you personally are the victim of state-sponsored persecution because you're involved in a protected class.
It's not, you know, you've got a nasty neighbor.
Correct.
It means whether you're the wrong ethnicity, religion, political party.
From the state.
From the state you lived in, you're in danger.
Correct.
That's legitimate.
It's not you just want to climb the economic ladder.
It's not you want a better house or car.
That's a false claim.
But yet we know, and this Secretary Sebastian knows, that the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens coming in are economic migrants and they're filing false asylum claims and he knows it.
You keep on talking and my list of stuff to ask him just goes on and on and on.
I wish we had two hours, but here's the next question.
It has been said no nation in the world except America has open borders.
We're the only one.
Talk to us about other nations.
Talk to us about what it was like working with the hemispheric nations and what they must be thinking now.
Are they laughing at us?
Are they scratching their head?
Is Haiti going, OK, take all of the people that we don't want.
Talk to us about other nations, their regimes, and how it was working with them.
So it's good.
So there's two things that happened, right?
So let's go with the ones that are outside even the Western Hemisphere.
You know, a good one is Venezuela right now.
I mean, they are laughing at us.
So we've already got the reports, right, that they are in fact releasing criminals To come here to the United States.
So remember when President Trump was saying on the campaign, even throughout his presidency, everybody said, oh, that's hyperbole.
They're not sending their best, is what he said, right?
Exactly.
He was right.
It's true.
Everything he said about the border, Sebastian, was true.
And now we have it.
We also know that now Middle Easterners are using fake Mexican identification cards to try to get in.
So the whole world is absolutely laughing at us and exploiting our open borders.
What was it like when we had a regime, when we built the wall, when President Trump had your back?
Tell me what relations were like with your liaison services in other nations.
Were they like, oh, no, here comes the nasty Trump guy?
What was it like?
Were they professional?
Were they serious?
Did they understand what had changed?
They did.
And I'll give you a couple of examples.
And not just hyperbole and false statements without backing it up.
Mexico, for example, we say all the time that we shifted and we saw the greatest unprecedented support from the governor of Mexico in our history, 25,000.
25,000 personnel at one time in Mexico were dedicated to what is a global issue, illegal immigration.
They secured their southern border, they secured interior, as well as they were working with us every single day to secure our joint border.
That's all fact, and that's verifiable.
We literally, Mexico, had done more than they ever had, and that was a direct result of President Trump.
How do I say that?
Remember a little thing called tariffs?
Oh yeah.
Right?
He threatened tariffs.
Boom.
So they played nice because of various policies, not just your regime, but because of tariffs.
That's exactly right.
Because of the President.
I mean, that's the fact.
And then let's look at the Northern Triangle countries.
I went down to all three Northern Triangle countries.
I talked to leaders down there.
I talked to my counterparts.
They also came to the United States.
What were those meetings like?
So, here's a great example.
It just shows the complete absurdity and the lies of this administration.
All three leaders, all three of my counterparts, all three Northern Triangle countries that I met separately, Sebastian, this is what they all said in common.
They said, Mark, I don't understand.
Will you please talk to your president to change the laws?
Because why are you keeping the youth and the future of our country?
No.
All three of them, Sebastian, because our laws under TVPRA, If you're from Mexico or Canada and you're a minor, we send you back to your country, back to your family.
If you're outside those countries, non-continuous countries, the law says we keep you.
Now that's an Obama law.
Yes.
And they wanted those youngsters back because that's their future.
That's their future.
Wow.
Right, so that's why I keep saying that even though the Republicans take back, you know, the House and the Senate, I'm hopeful but skeptical, because remember, they had, the Republicans had the House, the Senate and the White House for the first two years of the Trump administration, and they failed to pass a single piece of meaningful legislation that would secure our borders and address issues like TVPRA.
Right, well we shall see, we shall see what happens after the midterms, but I know somebody Who could fix the border?
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Second, Mayorkas Cup, please.
Well, we are doing so much, Jose.
You know what our policy is?
Our policy is to enforce the law.
And that is indeed what we are doing.
Individuals who arrive at our border who do not have a legal basis to remain in the United States are being removed.
And those that do have a valid basis under the laws that Congress has passed are able to stay as the law provides.
That is our policy.
To enforce immigration law.
You know, I've seen a lot of liars in my time because I live in the swamp, but that level of bare-faced mendacity, you're not enforcing law because you wouldn't have record-breaking two million illegals in just the last calendar year.
I'm going to run something past you.
We never rehearse anything with our guests.
This isn't like Fox or anywhere else.
We don't have talking points that we approve of.
Midterms, upon us.
Are the GOP going to get serious?
You asked the question.
And we've had Matt Gaetz on the show.
He says, we're going to turn every committee into an investigatory committee.
OK.
But I'm not interested in investigatory committees.
I'm not interested in subpoenas from Congress.
I want people arrested and charged.
Because as far as I'm concerned, that man, Alejandro Mayorkas, is aiding and abetting the cartels.
When 53 people are fried to death in Texas as an 18-wheeler, it is a direct result of open border policies.
Am I too harsh?
No, I don't think so.
And, Sebastian, look, we haven't rehearsed this, and we haven't even talked about this.
I think you're right on track, because this is a man who hasn't just abdicated his constitutional responsibility.
He's not just lying and spinning the facts of the American people.
That clip that you just played was the quintessential example.
He's good.
He's good at it.
He puts together lies and spin all together every single time he talks.
There's no way he's mistaken.
There's no way that CBP and ICE are hiding from him.
Correct.
What's happening is a result of his orders.
That's correct.
And I know the data he gets, because I got it when I was commissioner.
And, by the way, I have sources.
I still get it today.
I would expect so.
Look, he knows, he knows that every single day, so the first 20 months under his reign, under President Biden's reign as well, is that he knows there's been a minimum of 1.1 million gotaways.
And so within the 1.1 million known gotaways, again if you ask Border Patrol agents, they'll say that number is like 2 million.
Sure.
I think it is.
But let's just go to the conservative 1.1 million gotaways.
He knows among the gotaways are murderers, rapists, pedophiles, aggravated felons and gang members.
Sebastian, every single day those types of criminals are pouring across our borders.
He knows that illegal aliens on the FBI's terror screening database, potential terrorist threats are pouring across our border every single day.
He knows drugs are pouring across our border every single day.
Let's talk about that.
I have this article in front of me.
So this is just one article.
Oregon police seized enough fentanyl in one arrest to kill 4 million people.
And they seized it from a driver, a smuggler who'd passed out.
I don't know if he took the fentanyl as well.
So we had 110 1,000, 110,000 overdoses in the last 12 months.
We have more drugs here necessary to kill 4 million people.
This only happens if you have an open border, right?
That's exactly right.
And we know the leading cause of death among 18 to 45-year-olds in this country is fentanyl.
And here's another stat.
We never hear.
We never hear from the Secretary or Joe Biden or the mainstream media.
95% of the fentanyl, according to their own DEA, where does it come from?
The White Open Southwest Border.
Those are all facts.
We know we have a fentanyl epidemic in this country.
But what you'll hear from this Secretary, and he's pandering to the workforce, what does he always talk about?
The drugs they've seized, right?
Like that's the definition of success.
That's not the definition of success.
The definition is, how much are we not seizing?
And that report, we were walking in here, he said, hey, you heard about this?
I said, I hadn't.
Because there's so many!
And when you have that level of large seizures in the interior of the United States, what that tells me is it's all getting through the southwest border.
They're not catching it.
That's what we should be talking about.
That's why I say Secretary Marcos is the most dangerous man in this administration.
He's the most dangerous man in this country.
He's intentionally and unknowingly opened our border.
It's killed Americans.
Blood is on his hands.
Impeachment is not enough for this guy.
And let's be clear, he's not a rogue agent.
Mayorkas isn't doing this by himself, and we're not going to psychoanalyze the Democrats, God forbid, but there is clearly this expectation that if you are brown, if you're black, you're going to vote Democrat.
This racist, bigoted This is an attempt to amnesty maybe, what, 20, 30 million people.
We don't know who the Democrats think will automatically vote for them.
This is the only reason the border is open.
It's not about empathy, it's not about compassion, because then you'd care for the girls being raped, the children frying to death in the 18-wheeler.
If you had any compassion, you'd actually close the border and you'd build the wall.
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I'm just curious, because I haven't asked you, in the beginning, Mr GNI, who has a very good political sense, we looked at the Abbott, DeSantis, busing, migrants thing as a kind of cheap stunt.
What difference does it make when you've got millions flooding across the border?
But when it arrived in Martha's Vineyard and you saw the National Guard being mobilized to get them off and get them into a camp, what did you think of that little Political play.
So I thought, so I was kind of in the dissented opinion when first Governor Abbott did it.
I actually said it was genius.
Oh, you did?
I did.
Because, because look, his goal was, he knew that wasn't going to change what was happening in the southwest border.
But what he knew was, is that it was going to keep it in the top fold, and it was going to show the left that their hypocrisy.
And just when I thought Governor Abbott had done a good job, and then Governor dissents, his goal is to just kind of one ups him, right, by sending Martha Vineyard, an area probably One of the most richest enclaves in the face of the planet, right?
And part of their, they actually have billboards as part of their mission statement saying, we welcome in everybody.
They have it right there in the harbor.
We welcome all immigrants.
They couldn't corral them up fast enough and get them out of there so fast enough.
It would have been a camp.
Military, military camp.
So one, just their hypocrisy.
But I tell you what, I did more interviews And the 30 days following that, then I had probably 60 days... So it worked?
Right.
So you got people to talk about the border?
Even the mainstream media.
So it was genius.
Now let's talk about something that nobody in the mainstream media ever talks about.
Even in the conservative media, they don't spend enough time, and it's super important to me.
Morale.
Is it dead?
Is it gone?
I mean, who would serve in the CBP or ICE now?
I mean, how do these guys survive?
You've got the contacts.
Tell us what it's like to work there.
My analogy, and some may say, Mark, you shouldn't use a wartime analogy for this, but remember Black Hawk Down?
I remember after the book, the battle was over, and one of the guys, the soldiers, many heroes, was loading back up to go back out, and one of the soldiers said, why are you going back out there?
He said, because the guy next to me, right?
And that's really what you have, I think, with the Border Patrol now.
They're getting up every single day putting a badge on their chest just for the man and woman next to them, right?
Just to do anything they can to somehow pick some crumb of ability to safeguard and secure this border because they know.
Look, they've been used as political pawns, and they know it.
They know every single tool, authority, and policy that was given to them under the Trump administration has been taken away.
They know they've been relegated to a welcoming agency, to a federal travel agency.
They know they're not on the front line.
They know they cannot do their job to safeguard the mission to this public and this country, but they get up every single day.
The morale is the worst it's ever been.
A 26-year veteran is getting up, looking in the mirror, squaring away his uniform.
And he said for the first time, he looked up after 26 years in the Border Patrol and said, I just realized that I am now part of the world's largest smuggling organization in the world.
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Again, something that we haven't rehearsed, but it kind of came to me as you were introducing yourself.
Not only have you served with honor and dignity as the Commissioner for CBP, you've got 20 years in the Bureau, you've served in the Marines, LAPD I even forgot.
I've got to ask you, as a former LEO, a former law enforcement officer, Your reaction to what's happening to law enforcement in America, what it's like not just to be CBP but to be any cop anywhere putting on that badge and the gun, and then secondly, Your take on what we're hearing about what the Bureau does to people who are conservatives.
Yeah, I tell you, it's funny you ask this question because I was just having lunch with another great patriot, Tom Holman.
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Yep, right.
He's a former cop and I was also talking to, I'll use the first name Bobby because I didn't get his permission to use his whole name, but he was a former cop as well.
And we were talking about this very thing and I said, you know, even as far back as maybe eight years ago or so, if a family or a young man or woman was coming, I would have encouraged them I don't do that anymore, Sebastian.
I have to set them down.
I say, hold on a second.
Let's talk.
What do you know?
What's your goals?
And I have a very, very different conversation right now because the world has changed when it comes to the disrespect that they have for law enforcement, the lies that are out there.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
And from our, quote, political leaders in many of these cities are actually leading the charge.
It's a different world and it's disheartening.
And I think the FBI is a quintessential example of that.
They went from, I think, being the world's premier law enforcement agency and national security aspect as well, to now the public in this country, they question the trust that they have in this organization.
And I still talk to agents, obviously, both retired and in, and there's even a divisiveness attitude within the FBI.
And I keep saying, look, whether you agree with the attacks on the FBI or not, the reality is that's the perception among the American people right now.
They've lost public trust in the FBI.
For the first time in our lifetime, there are actually even conservatives actually calling for the FBI to dismantle.
Yeah, you're talking to one of them.
I know, I know.
I'm not sure you and I totally agree on that.
But again, your point is the broader point.
Irrespective of just how deep the rot is, it doesn't matter.
If you've lost the trust, just the perception itself has to be managed.
If a guy who worked with the FBI for a decade He says, if they knocked on my door today, I tell them to pound sand and talk to my attorney.
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Let's have Mike's back.
All right, we've only got a few minutes left.
I've got to squeeze in two questions, important ones.
Can you express, you've got three million listeners across the nation who may be sitting down to Thanksgiving dinner with relatives soon who don't really get it.
Forget everything else we said.
Forget politics.
Forget the wall.
Talk to us about what you've seen, just briefly, of the human tragedy, especially children and young girls, if you have an open border.
This isn't just a one-off.
This is part of the system.
Yeah.
This is another reason why I say Secretary Mayorkas is the most dangerous man in this country.
Because it's not just about Americans that are dying every single day because he's the chief architect of these open border policies.
But here's something you will never hear from them.
Remember what he says?
That he's developed a safe and orderly and humane illegal immigration process.
First of all, it's an oxymoron.
And second of all, it's a lie.
First of all, in the first 20 months under this administration, there have been over 1,300 dead migrants that have been found by this administration, shattering any record of a lifetime.
And that's just CBP.
That doesn't include the dead migrants that local law enforcement has found.
It doesn't include the dead migrants in Mexico or along the Darien Gap on their journey.
That number could be in the thousands.
You'll never hear from that.
That doesn't include that up to 30% of young women and children are sexually assaulted and raped on the journeys up here.
I've talked to Border Patrol agents who said they've interviewed girls as long as 12 years old that were raped multiple times on the journey.
Our Sheriff Lamb that I know you know talked to how their deputies found a backpack full of pills and they asked a 14 year old girl what that is.
Morning after pills.
My mom gave them to me because they knew I was going to be raped.
And you'll never hear from this administration the number of illegal aliens that, once they get to the United States, they also are forced into a life of trafficking.
That is exponentially expanded as well.
None of this you'll hear from this administration.
If they cared, they'd close the border.
Yep.
Last thing, God willing, we have a Republican back in the White House, maybe somebody that we both work for.
This is all fixable and relatively quickly, correct?
Yes, it is.
And then Congress's role?
Yes.
Congress, there's a couple important things Congress has to do.
First of all, I say for the House of Representatives, H.R.
1, they have to pass meaningful legislation that's actually going to secure the border, reverse everything that's being done.
A bunch of conservative think tanks, Sebastian, got together.
We provided a coalition letter that just lays out the road map on exactly what they need to do to secure the border.
Number two, it goes to what we were talking about earlier.
They need to hold people accountable.
Day one, they should file article of impeachment for Secretary Mayorkas at a minimum and go after it.
And look, I don't care what the results are, because what that will result, for the first time in two years, The American people will finally get to hear the truth of how this is happening, of why it's happening, and they'll get to hear that directly from some experts and people that know what's going on instead of lies that are being told.
And could somebody like you rebuild CBP?
Absolutely.
Can it be rebuilt?
I say this all the time, and I'm not joking, Tom Holman and I and some of the others that were there under the Trump administration, we could come back and we could absolutely reverse this.
We secured the border once, we know how to do it, it can't be done again.
But I'll tell you this, we need Congress's help.
Well, God bless you for telling the truth.
In the meantime, both you and Tom Homan, you are great, great patriots.
He's a great man.
We will continue to fight the good fight until we can get both of you back into the next Trump administration.
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