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July 13, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: The Future of the MAGA Movement

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	Thank you.
	You've referred to people with a capacity for pregnancy.
	Would that be women?
	Many women, cis women, have the capacity for pregnancy.
	Many cis women do not have the capacity for pregnancy.
	There are also trans men who are capable of pregnancy as well as non-binary people who are capable of pregnancy.
	So this isn't really a women's rights issue?
	We can recognize that this impacts women while also recognizing that it impacts other groups.
	Those things are not mutually exclusive, Senator Hawley.
	So your view is that the core of this right then is about what?
	So I want to recognize that your line of questioning is transphobic and it opens up trans people to violence by not recognizing that.
	Wow, you're saying that I'm opening up people to violence by asking whether or not women are the folks who can have pregnancies?
	So I want to note that one out of five transgender persons have attempted suicide.
	Because of my line of questioning?
	So we can't talk about it?
	Because denying that trans people exist and pretending not to know that they exist I'm denying that trans people exist by asking you if you're talking about women having pregnancies.
	Do you believe that men can get pregnant?
	No, I don't think men can get pregnant.
	So you're denying that trans people exist?
	Thank you!
	And that leads to violence.
	Is this how you run your classroom?
	Are students allowed to question you?
	Absolutely!
	Or are they also treated like this?
	No, no, no.
	They're allowed to question me.
	They're told that they're opening up people to violence by questioning.
	Oh, we have a good time in my class.
	You should join.
	Oh, I bet.
	You might learn a lot.
	Wow, I would learn a lot.
	I've learned a lot just through this exchange.
	I know, absolutely.
	Extraordinary.
	Truly extraordinary.
	That woman is a lawyer.
	Not only that, she teaches the next generation at Berkeley.
	Professor Kiara Bridge.
	Stunning.
	The arrogance.
	The condescension.
	That is what we are fighting against.
	Last night, I received a very long text.
	This is not usually the length of text I get on a phone.
	It's from a friend.
	It's actually from a relative by marriage.
	A man I love.
	He's a great American.
	He's a patriot.
	And I'm not going to give his name out.
	But I'm going to read it.
	And I'm going to respond to it.
	Because it's a topic that has been plaguing me for weeks now.
	Every single day.
	Every single day.
	With the colleagues here.
	My buddies at the show.
	With my wife, with my friends.
	And it's about my old boss.
	So bear with me.
	If Trump truly loves America, he should not run.
	I truly hate to say this to you, and I absolutely love Trump.
	Unfortunately, it's ultimately very bad for the US if he runs.
	If he wins, he only has one term, and we all know that he will be mired in leftist attacks, legal battles, controversy, fake news attacks.
	It will be Trump 24-7, and it will be repulsive.
	This next election is not about Trump.
	This is about turning the tide against the leftist authoritarian creep.
	Anyone with a brain and common sense knows Trump won the last election fair and square.
	He doesn't need to win the next election to prove that.
	Instead, we need someone who is an articulate advocate for freedom, capitalism, individual rights and responsibilities, good behavior, small government, who can reduce the debt and lower inflation and energy independence.
	The next segment I'm going to leave out because it will reveal this sector in which my relative, my friend lives, works.
	And this is how he closes, last couple of sections.
	I hate to confess that approximately less than 5% of my most ardent, rabid, Trump-loving Republican friends want him to run.
	Less than 5%.
	These are MAGA people.
	If he's the nominee, we will of course vote for him and fight for him.
	But we all know it's going to be a show.
	It's going to be a show for four years.
	Maybe good for him and his ego, but horrible for the country.
	You have his ear.
	Tell him.
	He can be a kingmaker, right off into the sunset, as a good guy.
	He can make some real money, continue to be funny, be gracious, and a high-level advocate for American strength.
	His legacy will be stronger and better if he hands off his power and popularity well.
	He deserves incredible kudos for single-handedly fixing the Republican Party, helping stand up to Xi in China, fixing Syria, the incredible SCOTUS picks, instilling nationalism, and disintegrating the media, etc.
	etc.
	Thus ended the text.
	Here's my response.
	There's an interesting phrase that my friend almost used his name that he used.
	He said, we need somebody who will be an articulate advocate for freedom, capitalism, individual rights, and good behavior.
	Why?
	What has good behavior got to do with anything?
	Isn't good behavior, isn't the marquess of Queensbury rules, how we got here to a GOP that talks but does nothing?
	Let me tell you what I came to realize this morning as I was listening to a friend of mine host his radio show and what I realized about January 6th.
	The biggest reason that we should have President Trump run and that everybody listening to this show should support him, should run in their own America First campaign locally, is this.
	It's one metric that tells you everything.
	How much they want to destroy him.
	They don't want to destroy Ron DeSantis as much as they want to destroy President Trump.
	They don't want to see Matt Gaetz destroyed as badly as President Trump or Jim Jordan or Congressman Scalise, Louie Gohmert, Josh Hawley.
	They want to utterly crucify To have arrested and charged and put in prison my former boss.
	Why?
	Why?
	Because he's the only answer we have.
	I'm not into cults of personality.
	But the point he makes about he will only have one term left.
	That's the point!
	The only thing we have to solve.
	Because the rest we can do later.
	is the deep state.
	This came to me yesterday.
	When we have a nation where parents are being targeted by the FBI because they want to advocate for their children, when we have people being targeted and put in leg shackles at Reagan Airport because they're former assistants to the president, like Peter Navarro, the deep state is stronger than ever!
	And there is no regular politician out there who will take on the deep state to dismantle it.
	I don't even know if President Trump can do it.
	I will stand shoulder to shoulder with him to destroy the deep state because I saw what it did to my parents in communist Hungary and I do not accept its creation and existence here.
	But the idea that a regular politician who wants to be re-elected in four years, or who wants to keep being a politician after his eight years, is going to destroy the authoritarian bastards at the Department of Justice, at the FBI, at the CIA, who went after people like decorated generals like Mike Flynn, is absolute fantasy.
	Only one man is in a position to fight To the end of the destruction of the deep state.
	And that's the man who doesn't need to be re-elected.
	And it's Donald Trump.
	So wake up guys!
	I don't even know if he can do it, but he's the only one who is in a position to destroy the people who are destroying the nation we love.
	Okay.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	Find us on Spotify.
	The number is 833-33 Gorka.
	3333 Gorka, 833-334-6752. Mic's on. 833-334-6752. Mic's on.
	Mic's on.
	I feel like that's the only thing I should say for the next two years.
	It's exactly what it is.
	If I hear one more time that Trump's gonna be the kingmaker, he has no interest in being the kingmaker.
	He wants to be the king!
	Exactly.
	Rhetorically speaking.
	Yeah, that's another point.
	That's exactly what it's about.
	You gotta rip that apart.
	That's the only thing.
	I feel like there's nothing else to say for the next two years.
	The biggest threat to America is a deep state, and no stinking politician is gonna go after the deep state.
	End of story!
	And like you said, he'll have only one term, so this time he doesn't have to worry about re-election.
	Right!
	And who cares about the media talking about him 24-7?
	Great!
	You can burn it all down for all we care.
	You know, I did a search of, like, why DeSantis could beat Trump.
	Yeah.
	And in the last two weeks, Washington Post has written it.
	The New Yorker.
	It was like four or five.
	Politico did it.
	It's like, why are they pushing that?
	I'll give them credit.
	It's smart on their part.
	They know, like, he's the one who might have a chance at beating Trump.
	Like, that's all it is.
	Of course they'll turn around and call him a baby killer, too.
	And, you know, a dog abuser.
	Of course.
	Will you play me 7-8-9?
	7-8-9.
	Get playback one ready, guy.
	- 789. - 789, get playback one ready guy.
	Go ahead. - I have never been a racist.
	I've never been anti-semitic.
	My cousin is Jewish.
	My family members... I think we need to quit mincing words and just talk about truths and what it was going to be was an armed revolution.
	I mean people died that day.
	Law enforcement officers died this day.
	There was a gallows set up in front of the Capitol.
	This could have been the spark that started a new civil war.
	Wow.
	Doubt.
	Doubt.
	Britney Griner, she is in Russia.
	She's been there over 110 days.
	Now, how can she feel like America?
	That one got cut off for some reason.
	Alright, keep going at 10. 10.
	There's been some notion out there in other state legislatures that they are going to bring legal action against health care providers and against women themselves if they travel outside of states where abortion is banned to a city like Chicago or a state like Illinois.
	I mean, I have to tell you, as an African American, What I hear when I hear that is fugitive slave laws, like we're back in the day where they're chasing people who are seeking freedom.
	It's the same kind of dynamic here.
	Is she on drugs?
	She's gonna like slur in her speech a little bit, isn't she?
	All right, let me see.
	What was that text, Jeff?
	Uh...
	Can you come in with the oath-keeper testimony, the second one, 8.
	Cut 8, come in with cut 8, you got it.
	All right, he's on the line.
	We'll turn the mics off real quick.
	All right.
	And what it was going to be was an armed revolution.
	I mean, people died that day.
	Law enforcement officers died this day.
	There was a gallows set up in front of the Capitol.
	This could have been the spark that started a new civil war.
	There was a gallows set up that day.
	People died that day.
	Police officers died that day.
	Well, no, they didn't.
	No police officers died that day.
	The only person who did was Ashley Babbitt.
	And we don't know who set up those gallows.
	That is Allegedly a person under oath, former Oath Keepers spokesperson Jason Van Tatenhove.
	Let's ask somebody who probably knows a little bit better what happened on that day.
	He is a firebrand.
	That's a good name for a book he should write or a podcast he should have.
	I think he's done it already.
	From Florida, a good friend of America First, Congressman Matt Gaetz.
	Welcome back.
	Thanks so much for having me, Dr. Gorka, and I'll confess, I haven't really obsessed to watch every moment of these hearings, but it says a lot about the factual development that the January 6th Committee is like drawing in spurned former Oath Keepers to share their perspective on that day, as if somehow that's dispositive and everyone was bound to it.
	I can share with you what my perspective was on that day.
	We have legitimate concerns about elections in several states.
	And just like Democrats have done to every Republican that was sworn in to the presidency since George H.W.
	Bush, we wanted to present objections to the way some states had run their elections.
	We wanted to have debate on that.
	We wanted to be heard.
	And we wanted the Constitution to be followed.
	And the fact that they found some guy with a tattoo on his forehead to come in and say that he had different goals and then to use that to try to smear an entire political movement of tens of millions of peaceful, patriotic Americans kind of encapsulates the theatrical nature of all this.
	Well, but hang on, Matt.
	I mean, it got him onto Joy Reid's program, so it had the desired effect.
	Follow this man right now at Rep Matt Gates.
	You can also listen to him on Firebrand, where I do believe you have a regular guest quite often.
	Is that Marjorie Taylor Greene?
	Is that correct?
	That's right, Marjorie and I do like to chat about the direction of the country, the work in the Congress, and really, we have to spend most of our time figuring out how to ensure that Republicans are in a position to fight back.
	I think that when we retake power, maybe we need to look into some of the activities of these Democrats in fostering violence and enticing people to engage in unlawful acts.
	And, you know, Marjorie and I think that, as Republicans, we ought to fight even tougher than the other side.
	All right, we need to get both of you back here in studio for one of our America First strategy sessions.
	In the meantime, I know you've got some news you want to share with us, but first I have to ask you, this clown show, this show trial, how serious a threat is it?
	My expectation is they will try and forward some kind of criminal referral against President Trump to the Department of Justice.
	Do we laugh?
	Do we see this for what it is?
	Or is this a serious threat to our movement?
	The Justice Department is not waiting for any criminal referrals.
	I mean, we saw them, you know, execute a warrant on a lawyer, John Eastman, taking his phone and really raising serious questions about the attorney-client privilege.
	We saw it with the arrest of Peter Navarro and dragging him off in leg shackles.
	to sit in a jail cell as a consequence of having written a memo that in a very scholarly way laid out various objections to how states had run their elections.
	And so I don't place a great deal of importance on whether or not a referral will be sent because a message has already been sent.
	And we all want to see a country where the Department of Justice isn't executing on the political whims of their supporters to the liberty deprivation of their adversaries.
	And I think that's one of the things that traditionally has separated the United States from other parts in the world.
	But there is this kind of fascist socialism that we see erupting in different parts of the Biden administration.
	And it's something that I think Republicans have to be well prepared to fight back against should we be given the majority.
	Right.
	Well, it's up to us.
	Everyone in the movement has to be engaged.
	I guess our opening monologue got you guys fired up.
	The call board is absolutely full.
	Don't go anywhere.
	John, Leonardo, Glenn, Antoinette.
	But first things first, you have some important news you wish to share with us, Congressman Gates.
	Yeah, I mean, there's a bill that's going to pass the floor of the House of Representatives today that should concern gun-loving Americans.
	It's called the Active Shooter Alert Bill, and it's going to use the apparatus of government to bombard everyone's cell phone with an alert every time There's a shooting situation.
	So imagine being at a concert of 5,000 people and if there is, heaven forbid, an accident or some shooting that's 18 blocks away, you could have a stampede and hysteria and chaos.
	And the only reason Democrats would pursue a bill like this is that they want to bombard the cell phones of Americans with anything that will make people fear guns, fear the Second Amendment, and fear people who lawfully and responsibly use firearms.
	And so I've joined with Republicans to stand against that bill, but tragically it seems that there are at least a dozen Republicans who are going to vote for it.
	And going to really, I think, advance just Democrat anti-gun fear porn.
	So, I mean, this encapsulates, at the Florida level, the challenge we face and you face here in the swamp, Congressman Gates.
	Why would Republicans do this?
	Why would they facilitate the gun fear porn against American citizens?
	Can you help us for a moment glimpse into the mind of people who have an R behind their name, but actually who help the other side?
	We do have Republicans who oftentimes govern out of emotion rather than logic and reason, and I wish we didn't.
	But when you see acts of violence in schools and when guns are involved, people just think, oh no, what's the most palatable anti-gun thing I can do?
	And that's a very dangerous mindset.
	It's an unconstitutional and an anti-American mindset.
	I think that the culture we want to build is one of safe, responsible gun ownership, not fear-mongering and reflexive legislative action to constrain rights.
	But the incentive for some Republicans is to say, well, you know, can we show we're doing something?
	And oftentimes that misses the mark, as this bill undeniably does.
	Last question.
	Congressman Gates, I opened the show with the clip of the professor from Berkeley accusing Josh Hawley of transphobia because he said women can have babies.
	Is this a meme?
	Is this a message that is useful for us in a general election to demonstrate how crazy the left have become?
	Do we use these kinds of soundbites as part of our national campaigns?
	Yeah, I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that if we hand this government over to the left, it's largely going to be run by wackos and weirdos.
	I mean, I think what Senator Hawley should have asked in response is, like, do the people at Berkeley know how the rest of the country thinks about them, or is it just this, like, inside joke that they're not in on?
	That the way they think about their 87-gen-neuroters and their woke ideology and what speech constitutes violence.
	It's so wildly out of sync with, I think, how most of the country, these questions.
	And for the Democrats to drag in the freak parade, I think only feeds the momentum that the right has in the culture war.
	We've got a title for this segment.
	We've got to stuff the wackos and the weirdos.
	One man who's doing it every single day is the author and the host of Firebrand, the book and podcast.
	Follow him at rap rep Matt Gates.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	Thank you, Congressman.
	Your calls next here on America First.
	Oh.
	Alright, let me get this paper here.
	Our job, colon, to stop the wackos and weirdos.
	Alright, let me use the paper here.
	Just the 13th.
	Our job, colon, to stop the wackos and weirdos.
	To stop the wackos and weirdos.
	Yep.
	Monologue and also Rosen.
	Um, what's a good title for the monologue?
	Well, you opened up the Holly thing and then you moved on to the text from your friend.
	So, like... Why it has to be Trump.
	Is that good, Jeff?
	And not DeSantis.
	And not DeSantis.
	Uh-huh.
	Why it has to be Trump, not DeSantis.
	Alright.
	Preferences, Jeff?
	Um...
	Kind of wherever you want to go.
	Okay.
	Um, Rosen.
	Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch.
	Nicest interview ever.
	There you go, guy.
	From Watergate, from, from, uh, Watergate to Hunter Biden.
	Is that stupid?
	No.
	I mean, the whole point is that- Also he said from Nixon to Hunter Biden.
	Does it make sense?
	Yeah, no, it makes sense.
	Okay.
	From Watergate to Crackgate, John says.
	That's good.
	Somebody better use that, Crackgate.
	I love that.
	I love that.
	Again, my favorite part of that video isn't even that he's filming himself weighing crack, it's that he can't read the scale properly.
	It says 20.7 and he says 2.07.
	But what was that?
	That cannot be grams.
	That was a massive amount of crack.
	Was it ounces?
	Somebody said it wasn't crack, that it was meth.
	Well, I wouldn't know, either.
	Yeah, no.
	I wouldn't know.
	Breaking Bad fans, let us know.
	I thought you grew up in California.
	You don't know, Harry?
	I grew up in a nice area of California.
	Yeah, John says there's, like, different grams, or... Yeah.
	No, it's definitely grams, not ounces.
	You think it's grams?
	Okay.
	But it's a massive... It's multiple massive chunks.
	20 grams is nothing, right?
	How heavy are they, though?
	Like, are... Yeah, but 21 ounces, that's over a pound.
	That's not... Oh, that's true.
	That's true.
	Too good.
	All right.
	What have I not heard?
	I think I've heard everything.
	Let me just hear 13 quickly.
	13.
	Go ahead, Guy.
	Do you think a baby that is delivered alive has value?
	Yes.
	Do you think that a baby that is not yet born Has value?
	I believe that a person with a capacity for pregnancy has value.
	They have intelligence.
	They have agency.
	They have dignity.
	No, I'm talking about the baby.
	And I'm talking about the person with the capacity for pregnancy.
	And you're not answering the question.
	I'm asking a more interesting question to me.
	What a loony!
	Again, you can see in her eyes, too.
	Oh, no, the eyes.
	The eyes are everything.
	The eyes.
	Oh, no, she is not acting.
	She's not acting.
	Thank you.
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	Mr. G., Eric, tell me, was that monologue too hardcore?
	Jeff, you want to go first?
	No, it was good.
	You just should have done it a little bit longer.
	The full 11 minutes.
	Like the last 3 minutes.
	Okay, alright.
	Because I feel like I need to do this for the next 2 years.
	Is there any other message that needs to be told?
	No, and we are going to do it for the next two years, I think.
	Alright, God willing.
	Eric?
	Yeah, super important.
	Right now, there's a reason, we said this in the break, there's a reason why the media is trying so hard to turn DeSantis... The mainstream media!
	Like the Washington Post, Eric!
	Exactly, exactly.
	They know Trump is the biggest threat to them in 2024, and the one thing that could possibly stop him, could, I don't think it will, but could, Bingo.
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	Okay, the call board is absolutely on fire.
	Let's walk down the list.
	John San Diego, line one.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	You know, if 20% of trannies Have attempted suicide.
	That says more about their mental illness than anything else.
	Hang on, can we get terminology right?
	Trannies are transvestites, okay?
	That's a dude in a dress.
	We're talking about... Oh, they're not the same.
	No, no, no.
	Oh, please!
	Can you just get up with the terminology?
	Tranny is a dude in a dress.
	Transgender is somebody who's a little bit more sophist.
	But by the way, can I also correct you?
	I looked it up today.
	Georgetown Kennedy Research Center.
	It is 40% of transgenders attempt suicide.
	40% John!
	Wow.
	No one with good mental health could ever be talked into trying to commit suicide.
	It's insane.
	It couldn't happen.
	Now, as for Trump being president again, I'm still working under the impression that we're going to impeach these two idiots in January, right after the Republicans elect Trump Speaker of the House.
	It's not happening, dude.
	It's a cute little theory, but it's not happening.
	There's no way, I tell you, having worked for the man, there's no way he's going to go from being the President to Speaker of the House.
	It's cute, but it's not happening.
	Sebastian, Trump has got the power and they are afraid.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	He wants to win in an election.
	He doesn't want to have some kind of Hail Mary pass and work around.
	But it's a cute idea.
	Thank you, John.
	Thank you for being first on the line.
	It's our buddy from New Jersey.
	It's been too long.
	Leonardo, welcome back.
	Sebastian, Trump has got the power and they are afraid.
	They're running scared.
	Trump is right over the targets.
	The Anchorage, Alaska rally this weekend, yo, it showed the power, the populist power of a unique personality.
	Jeff thought it was the best rally he'd done since he left office.
	What about you, Leo?
	I mean, this is a populist man, right?
	He's got the House seat with Palin.
	He's got the power there because look at what we're paying for gas right here.
	It's ridiculous.
	And those people are suffering up there.
	And those are $50,000, $80,000 a year jobs.
	This is the people, the swamp, a lot of little people.
	Not very many of them, and they just project the image that there's a lot of them.
	And, you know, with all due respect to your friend or relative, whoever it was, was his name Neville Chamberlain?
	Appeasement is not going to work.
	Appeasement is not going to work.
	Yes!
	Yes!
	Bingo!
	That's it!
	And I'm going to have a chat with my friend who sent me that text, my relative, as soon as I get off the air.
	But you're right.
	I won't call him Neville Chamberlain, but you're right, Leonardo.
	It comes from a well-meaning idea that if we are nice, they'll be nice to us.
	But it didn't work with Hitler, and it's not gonna work with crazies!
	Who think a man can have a baby?
	The only people who can have babies have uteruses and men have never had uteruses and they never will.
	God bless you, Leo.
	Glenn, Antoinette, William, don't go anywhere.
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	Alright.
	Alright, mic's back on.
	Can you kill the mics for a second?
	Uh, yeah.
	Kilimix M3. Kilimix M3.
	Kilimix M3.
	Okay, Geoff.
	Yep, mics are back on.
	Aight.
	Uh, come in with cut 13.
	Come in with cut 13.
	No liner.
	Oh, that's the corn in one?
	Yep.
	Okay, yep.
	Yeah, I'm just back here having, uh, cracked open a nice cold root beer.
	Good!
	Have many.
	40 seconds.
	All right. 30. 30.
	Do you think a baby that is delivered alive has value?
	Yes.
	Do you think a baby that is delivered alive has value?
	Yes.
	Do you think that a baby that is not yet born has value?
	I believe that a person with the capacity for pregnancy has value.
	They have intelligence.
	They have agency.
	They have dignity.
	I'm talking about the baby.
	And I'm talking about the person with the capacity for pregnancy.
	And you're not answering the question.
	I'm answering a more interesting question to me.
	Do you think that a baby that is not yet born, let's say the day before his mother delivers, do you think that baby has value?
	I think that the person with the capacity for pregnancy has value and they should have the ability to control what happens to their lives.
	And I just note you refused to answer the question.
	What an arrogant piece of effluence.
	I'm answering a more interesting question.
	What kind of arrogant piece of crap says the person with the capacity for birth You mean a woman?
	How do women feel?
	How do women feel when a Berkeley professor says, the person with capacity for birth?
	They are denying, denying the existence of real women.
	As you can tell, the war for the unborn has only just begun.
	God bless The justices who struck down Roe v. Wade and Casey, three of them nominated by my old boss, President Trump, but it goes back to the states and with insane people like Professor Bridges from Berkeley out there, we have only just begun.
	Armour yourself.
	Get the information you need.
	Get the rhetorical ammunition.
	Watch one of the best movies ever made on this subject.
	It's called The Matter of Life and you can stream it right now with us at salemnow.com.
	We have to redouble our efforts because the insane people are out there And they're brainwashing our children.
	That's the matter of life.
	Watch it at SalemNow.com.
	Okay, let's jump to a woman who's doing this every single day in California.
	Antoinette, God bless you.
	Welcome.
	Oh, Dr. G, thank you.
	But it's all our group.
	We appreciate everybody's prayers.
	It is Wednesday, July the 13th, 2022.
	Getting God's Wisdom.
	And what you read about your family member text A little while ago.
	I didn't mean to call in, but I couldn't help it.
	I'm going through the same thing, Dr. G. But this time, as a woman, I need a man.
	And Dr. G, President Trump is that man.
	He's got that fight.
	He's got that spirit.
	Yes, he is not perfect.
	But he knows his mistake.
	Damn, people out there, don't you know what a great businessman he truly is?
	Now he knows his mistakes.
	He's gotta build back our country, tear down the crap out of the FBI, DOJ, all of that.
	He knows what he needs to do.
	He's well armed.
	Let him do his job.
	He'll do it impeccably well.
	And then you can have DeSantis down the road.
	Yes!
	Just to grow up a little bit more.
	Yes, fine.
	Ron should be the vice president.
	He can roll into the job in 28.
	Absolutely right.
	On the money.
	Thank you, Antoinette.
	We're going to allow you to call in tomorrow as well, which is your regular day.
	We have an absolutely full call.
	But let's go to Glenn in Phoenix, Arizona.
	Welcome, Glenn.
	Hey, Seb, I received a shirt last Friday.
	Thank you, by the way.
	Oh, good.
	Excellent.
	So, I don't know if you had him on, but I know you did speak about the book when Paul Kanger, about three years ago, came out with his book, The Devil and Karl Marx.
	Oh yeah, we had him on when it came out.
	So he said something in there, and it's probably like last year I've been dwelling on this.
	He said that the KGB agents, when people would be leaving churches and they'd be leaving their seminaries, they would round people up and they would basically, they'd question them.
	What are you guys teaching?
	What are you guys preaching?
	What do you guys believe?
	And so what I've noticed, like January 6th, there were people I've heard, the FBI agents, went to their houses just for people who just went to D.C.
	on that day.
	Correct.
	The LGBT Mafia, seven years ago, when they went after Jack Phillips to Christian Baker, they used government.
	So what I've noticed is all these groups, the LGBT Mafia and all these other environmentalists, They're doing basically what the Soviets did, and I've read a lot of books on the Soviet Union, is they weaponized government.
	And it's government over God.
	People like you and I, Seb, we have God over government.
	Yes.
	They don't like that.
	They can't stand that.
	Well, they have no God, so they worship the state and their ideology.
	That's why, Glenn.
	Amen.
	Amen.
	All right.
	God bless you.
	Enjoy the shirt.
	Wear it with pride.
	Let's go to Rick, New York City, line four.
	Hello, Sebastian.
	How are you?
	Hello to the crew over there.
	Good.
	I'm very well.
	What's your question?
	What's your comment, Rick?
	My New York City teacher, 26 years.
	God bless.
	Proud Latino, born and raised, Dominican parents.
	I just wanted to make a comment about How the teacher unions are holding us, the constituents, prisoners.
	A few extreme radicals are running the show, calling the shots up there.
	The NEA, the UFD.
	And the problem is that they are in cahoots, they're in bed with the garbage Department of Education, who also have a few radicals up there calling the shots.
	And no matter how you slice it, the problems that we're having now in our country, before politics, before economics, before anything, comes to indoctrination of our children.
	Yep.
	You see, as teachers, we have our hands tied.
	And I'll tell you something right now.
	The majority of teachers are not extremists.
	The majority are independent, or in the middle, Democrats, and a few of us, conservatives.
	There's no way that the majority of us Our agreement is garbage.
	However, they are in power, and the unions make them powerful now.
	Well, and they take your money every month.
	That's the problem.
	And the thing is that what makes people scared in my field is, oh, am I going to lose my pension?
	Blah, blah, blah.
	All these things that not many people are willing to take the fight.
	I know that.
	Many people like to talk.
	And they agree with you, but it's tough for them, for whatever reason, to hit people in the nose.
	I'm going to tell you a story about that, exactly on that point.
	Don't go anywhere, Rick.
	I want to send you a signed copy of The War for America Sold.
	But on that issue, and thank you for what you've done for 26 years in New York City.
	God bless you for being one of the good teachers out there.
	I want to tell you a story from my time in New Hampshire just over a week ago, when somebody said the same thing that I'm a health worker and I can't say what I want to say.
	So keep on listening.
	More of your calls here in a moment.
	Don't go anywhere.
	Klaus, Sylvia, William.
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	All right, Mike's back on.
	Amen.
	Yeah.
	Do we have titles for everything?
	Uh, thus far, yes.
	Okay.
	Line one's probably the best left.
	if you're...
	Okay, good.
	I will say this, too, for all the debates on whether or not DeSantis is going to run or whatever.
	I'm almost convinced now someone who is going to run is Gavin Newsom.
	I'm convinced he's gonna do it.
	And Flipping Youngkin!
	Yeah, but Junkin would lose.
	Junkin would easily lose to Trump, but I mean, Newsom, honestly, is probably their best candidate, if I'm being honest.
	They're all thinking something's gonna happen, that Trump's not gonna run.
	Well, they think he's gonna be arrested.
	Well, they probably also think that about Biden, too, that he's not gonna run again.
	But Newsom really is, I think, he's got everything.
	He's relatively younger, you know, governor of the biggest state, he's got a record progressives can like, he can say, I beat Republican recall, blah blah blah, like, compared to everyone else.
	I think they should just run Hunter.
	Free crack for everyone.
	International businessman.
	Got free crack and Russian whores for everyone, right?
	Artist.
	That's the hunt of Biden.
	Why weren't there any videos of him painting and all that?
	That's all I was wondering.
	That's right, he's a painter.
	How much would have bet he didn't paint any of those paintings?
	Of course he didn't paint.
	He's going to utilize hooker diplomacy, and it's going to work very well.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You listen to your guests.
	You let them speak.
	You don't interrupt them.
	You talk just about the right amount.
	I get informed at the same time I'm entertained.
	And I really appreciate your show very much.
	America First.
	Magnificent.
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	We love our listeners.
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	Line one, Klaus, California.
	Yes, sir.
	Dr. G, thank you very much.
	Shout out to Glenn from Arizona.
	God over government.
	That was great.
	Yes.
	Look, guys, to all the freedom-loving Americans out there, It's no longer business as usual.
	We need to knock it off.
	We need to have a man like Trump with the personality he has to go against other personalities like Gavin Newsom.
	He is going to be running for president, guaranteed.
	He's already in D.C.
	right now, and he disgraced my favorite state of Montana with his presence vacationing there.
	It's absolutely ridiculous.
	Right, when he banned it for government employees.
	But he went because he's the governor.
	It doesn't apply to him.
	Yes, exactly.
	By the way, I did not get my, uh, if you're woke, you're a loser shirt.
	I think it got lost in the Biden post office.
	Well, we can remedy that.
	Stay on the line.
	We'll get you a woke t-shirt and give us also the size of somebody else you love and we'll get them.
	What should we get them?
	Let's give them a ultra MAGA t-shirt.
	Two t-shirts for Klaus!
	Let's do it.
	Sylvia, line two.
	Dr. Gorka.
	Yes.
	Good morning.
	Dr. Gorka, you know, President Trump was the best president in the past 50 years in this country, and only he is capable to destroy that evil, satanic cabal that is holding our country hostage.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	This isn't about, you know, other people not getting their shot eventually, but we need somebody who has nothing to lose, doesn't have to get re-elected, and who is prepared to destroy the deep state.
	That's my demand, and I want everybody to understand, a regular politician just won't do it, Sylvia.
	No, he won't.
	You know, he could do what Obama is doing, run from the background, because Obama is running this country right now.
	No, no, no.
	He's too lazy.
	As I've said before, Obama is too lazy.
	He may be now and again calling up Sleepy Joe when he's had his nap, but Obama is too lazy to be in the background.
	He admitted it!
	Read his biography.
	He prefers to be in the basement with his bowl of Cheetos watching ESPN.
	That's who Obama is.
	But the fact is, we need to destroy the deep state.
	And there's one man who has the potential to do it.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	Next up, America's Mayor!
	Yes!
	Rudy is in town.
	Stay on this channel.
	The End
	The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth I do.
	Please be seated.
	When I was six, I wandered the streets by myself.
	When I was six, I wandered streets by myself.
	You were hungry and didn't know when you'd eat.
	Some place in my life, the roads split off.
	I'd gone to the seminary.
	I'd gone to all white schools.
	I was never gonna be a part of that world.
	I was never gonna be white.
	The problem is, I could never go back completely to the world I came from.
	We're supposed to be revolutionaries.
	We work for anybody who's kind of in your face.
	I saw what I had become, lashing out at every single thing.
	And then I asked God, if you take anger out of my heart, I'll never hate again.
	And that was the beginning of the slow return to where I started.
	I want my candidacy to unify our country.
	I was under constant attack.
	You're not really black because you're not doing what we expect black people to do.
	I will nominate Judge Clarence Thomas to serve as Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court.
	That's when all heck broke loose.
	Judge Thomas began to use work situations to discuss sex.
	We know exactly what's going on here.
	This is the wrong black guy.
	He has to be destroyed.
	You really didn't matter.
	What mattered was what they wanted.
	So you'd still like to serve on the Supreme Court?
	I'd rather die than withdraw from the process.
	I wouldn't be able to say I lived up to my oath and did my best.
	But you could make a whole movie on the Russiagate hoax.
	It's all documented.
	There was an illusion being created using the most awesome tools and the greatest tricks that the American intelligence community had learned to use against our enemies.
	Now it was being deployed against the American people and our president.
	This is the biggest political scandal in modern history, which makes Watergate look like a tiff.
	The FBI director has no credibility.
	The left used to not trust the FBI, and now they love them.
	This can happen to General Michael T. Flynn.
	Imagine what they do to anybody who has a single strike against them.
	35 Russian diplomats in the U.S.
	expelled.
	The prosecution of General Flynn wasn't a pursuit of criminal activity.
	It was a setup.
	Flynn actually had details.
	So he was talking about going after people's budgets.
	They were terrified.
	Media didn't start as neutral.
	Media hasn't been neutral all its life.
	The two faces of Hillary Clinton are coming out.
	In fact, through WikiLeaks, that she says one thing and...
	Oh, no.
	They worked hand-in-glove with Comey to try to delegitimize Trump.
	They were not there to tell the truth.
	A political dirty trick is being carried out by our intelligence community.
	Honestly, none of us really know, sort of holistically, what to think about this dossier.
	They went into Congress.
	They said, there's nothing here.
	Doesn't matter.
	We'll keep going with FISA.
	We'll keep going with the investigation.
	And more importantly, we will go on TV, day in and day out, and lie to the American people to their face.
	And nothing's going to happen to us.
	The nation and all of our freedoms hang by a thread.
	And the military apparatus of this country is about to be handed over to scum!
	We're beholden to scum!
	Russian scum!
	We had not one person claim that they had or had seen evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians.
	Devin Nunes was the hero in the forest.
	He was alone.
	He was mocked.
	He was attacked.
	Devin Nunes was subject to such scorn for saying the conclusions that we brought forth in that report, which all proved to be true.
	Russiagate was a false story.
	To target their political opposition.
	To carry out their insurance policies.
	I believe that this is a conspiracy.
	These guys have perpetrated the greatest crime against the American people ever seen.
	It was a coup d'etat.
	This is how sick and twisted these people are.
	I recently confirmed that on numerous occasions the intelligence community incidentally collected information about U.S.
	citizens involved in the Trump transition.
	It was shocking to see some of the over-classification that was done to hide either corruption or abuse of authority and just to make sure certain agencies didn't look bad.
	We have a peaceful transition of power process.
	That's not what happened.
	There were more meetings, there were more leaks, there were more attacks.
	The thing that they were investigating the Trump campaign for is what they themselves were doing.
	Not just the Democratic Party and their operatives, but also the FBI.
	If I were writing about the time frame that we lived in, and that we're living in now, I would say it wasn't supposed to happen.
	They weren't supposed to know.
	The entire time this was going on, they thought this was going to be what sunk the Donald Trump presidency.
	and they were just looking for the golden goose and they still haven't found it because it doesn't exist.
	The End
	Let me just go back here.
	Settings.
	Airplane mode.
	Now he's gone.
	Call him back.
	Mr. Mayor?
	Oh.
	Yeah, I'm here!
	Greetings!
	I gotta just get back on.
	There we are.
	You are wonderful, and we appreciate you.
	America First.
	MAGA-nificent.
	What a great title music to use.
	Bumper music as we welcome.
	No monologue in the second hour today because we've got a guest who's far too important.
	Far more important than any monologue.
	He is known as America's Mayor and the James Bond theme music is perfect because he's a dangerous man.
	He's a patriot.
	The left hates him with good reason.
	Mayor Rudy Giuliani, welcome back to America First.
	It's always good to see you, Sebastian.
	How are you?
	I am doing splendidly and much better for having you on the show.
	Please follow this man on Twitter at Rudy Giuliani and listen to his podcast, Common Sense.
	Mr. Mayor, I have so many questions to ask you.
	Let me first mention the book everybody needs to read is Leadership by Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
	But let's start with one of the biggest stories of the day.
	This weekend, The parents of those children who were murdered in Uvalde were going to be shown the footage of what happened inside the school when that young man went on his murderous rampage.
	Somehow that video was leaked.
	It has been posted.
	It is now viral.
	It shows police officers First, more than 70 minutes standing there, leaning against the wall, using hand sanitizer, chatting with each other and then stopping another law enforcement officer from going in to rescue his child who was killed.
	I don't know where to begin.
	You used to keep New York safe, along with our regular friend, Commissioner Bernie Kerrick.
	Your reaction, just your instant, raw reaction to that footage, Mr. Mayor?
	I think it's probably a pretty common reaction that anyone would have, that it's shocking to see police officers, frankly almost anyone else operating that way, when you realize there are children inside there, Each one of those gunshots could represent a child being killed.
	Maybe it did.
	And I search my long history of law enforcement, my memory of it, and I talk to people like Bernie and Howard Schaefer, my police commissioners and advisors, and they are as perplexed as I am as to why they didn't act.
	It would have been almost natural, even if they were being held back, For there to be some tension about, some arguing about that.
	You know, what the heck are we doing?
	What are we, why are we, even if the boss said, we're waiting, you should be, there's some tension.
	I mean, you see these on television, right, where they're talking about hostage situations and people are anxious to go in and they're fighting about it.
	You don't seem to see any of that.
	It's like extremely passive reaction until the border patrol shows up and they don't wait a minute.
	They just go right in the way they should.
	I, Sebastian, I'm at a loss.
	Without knowing more to explain it and I'm not so sure if I knew more I'd be able to explain it.
	It's just a terrible thing.
	So let me do a thought experiment with you Mr. Mayor.
	I don't want to make excuses for any of those officers as far as I'm concerned.
	Of course it's easy for me to say I never served as a police officer.
	I served in the British Army Reserves but that's about it.
	As far as I'm concerned if there is an active shooter Uh, situation, whether you have body armor or not, your job is to go in there and neutralize the threat.
	These people had armor, they had long guns, they actually had a body shield as well.
	But, but I, not wanting to make excuses, I will say the following.
	Has it not become almost impossible for law enforcement officers
	to do their job in the last two or three years in jurisdictions where they don't have the political backing of the the mayor or the governor or the county commissioner or whoever it is and secondly in an environment after george floyd where every use of lethal force brings with it the mainstream media's presumption that the police officer committed a crime so how hard is it as the former mayor of new york how hard is it
	for police officers today to just do their job?
	Yeah, there's no question about that, Sebastian.
	And it would be... It has to have affected them in some respect.
	It's just hard to know that jurisdiction, how much support do they have, how much support don't they have.
	But it's even true, even in jurisdictions now where police officers have the necessary support.
	Watching this all over the nation, We'll put doubts in certain police officers' minds.
	Remember, someone explained it to me this way, an older police officer, and I think it's very, very good.
	When I was first started, the most important thing that you're going to need, in addition to CompStat and plans, you're going to need your police officers to have high morale so they'll go above and beyond the call of duty.
	He said, I was a cop for a long time.
	My partner and I could be sitting in a car, and we get a call that there's a robbery.
	Now we can do one of two things.
	We can rush to that robbery as fast as possible.
	Get there in the middle of the robbery.
	Maybe stop it.
	Maybe have to shoot the robber in the middle of it.
	But we prevented the robbery.
	We prevented the crime.
	Or we could delay it.
	Take a little time.
	Wait.
	Wait until it's all over.
	And then just be recorders.
	We won't get in any trouble.
	Somebody will be shot.
	Somebody will be knifed.
	So let's look at that famous Alba situation in New York, right?
	That was a pretty long delay in the police responding to that.
	Had they walked in there very early, they could have stopped.
	If they walked in in the middle of it, they could have made a mistake.
	They could have shot Mr. Alba without realizing it.
	But by coming late, something terrible happened and somebody's dead, but no police officer gets in trouble.
	Now, some police officers are so heroic and so patriotic, they don't even think about what I'm saying.
	And some are so bad, they're just bad.
	But the average person thinks about things like this.
	They're just human.
	And that's why they need to hear.
	I'll support you.
	I used to go speak at all of their graduations and at all of their important occasions.
	And I would say, look, I want you to know the mayor is going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
	If something goes wrong, I'm not going to enjoy, I'm not going to, I'm not going to join the whole chorus, the New York Times.
	And I mean, they were there then too.
	Al Sharpton was at the height of his insanity then.
	I'm not going to join them.
	I'm going to be on your side.
	Now, if you did something wrong, and it's provable and it's real, of course you're going to be punished the way anybody else would and probably worse.
	Yeah.
	But I'm not going to assume you're guilty.
	Gosh almighty, I don't assume most of the criminals, I mean, the criminals I can't even assume are guilty.
	I got to give my cops at least the benefit of the doubt.
	Now that's switched around.
	In New York, look what we're doing.
	We're prosecuting a man who was trying to defend his life.
	And we're not prosecuting the woman that was assisting her boyfriend in trying to kill him.
	Can I just stop there for a second, because the news yesterday, I didn't even get time to discuss it, is that Eric Adams, after what, three days, four days, the new mayor is saying, well, maybe the Bodega victim, who was actually knifed by the woman first, Maybe he shouldn't be charged.
	I mean, what world are we living in where a former law enforcement officer who's now the mayor is having to raise the most common sense statement that should never have been needed to be said in the first place?
	What has happened to New York City, Mr. Mayor?
	It's been taken over by By the same political philosophy that has taken over Philadelphia, Chicago, all the cities that are setting records right now for homicide, many of them which Soros purchased DAs like we have in Mr. Bragg.
	And in the case of Mr. Adams, as several newspapers noted today, the real question here is why won't he call for the removal of Bragg?
	Is he afraid of him?
	I mean, what is it?
	Why won't he call for his removal?
	The Constitution of the state of New York is unusual.
	It gives the governor the power to remove a district attorney who fails to enforce the law.
	Now, Adams has done that so often that you could have 100 counts.
	Plus, it allows the governor to supersede the district attorney.
	That means for a particular case, you can bring in an outside prosecutor because there seems to be bias and prejudice in a particular case.
	Not a single Democrat in this city has the courage to raise that.
	Not a single Democrat, including the mayor.
	Now, the mayor wants the people of the city to have confidence that he puts them first.
	But in failing to do that, he makes it clear to the people of the city that he puts the Democrat Party first.
	Yeah.
	And as I mentioned on my Newsmax program just last week, at a time when crime is out of control, In New York and in Democrat cities across the nation, what did Eric Adams do for the long weekend of July 4th?
	Instead of something meaningful for New Yorkers, he posted videos of himself riding a jet ski.
	And I like jet skis, but when your city has become a hellhole, it's not the priority of a former law enforcement officer who is the mayor.
	Follow this man right now, Rudy Giuliani, on Twitter.
	The podcast is Common Sense.
	The website is Rudy Giuliani CS for Common Sense.
	That's Rudy Giuliani, CS.com.
	And the book, it's a fabulous book, is Leadership.
	Get it today.
	We'll be back with the mayor momentarily.
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	How's your new show going?
	Good?
	Very well, thank you.
	I heard.
	Good.
	Thank you.
	Yes, indeed.
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	The cavalcade, the clown show, the witch trial continues.
	One of the new witnesses is the former Oath Keeper spokesperson, Jason Van Tatenhoves, who after his quote-unquote star turn, was on MSNBC with none other than that homophobe, Joy Reid.
	And this is what he had to say about himself.
	Cut seven.
	I have never been a racist.
	I've never been anti-semitic.
	My cousin is Jewish.
	I have family members that are Jewish.
	I'm openly queer.
	So, you know, again, there's a lot of things that just don't jive when you're off the camera, the cameras are turned off.
	I'm not sure what his sexuality or ethnicity has to do with January the 6th, but I'm sure you have a lot to say, Mr. Mayor, with what we are witnessing every single day.
	As a former prosecutor who put five mafia dons behind bars, what are we actually seeing on Capitol Hill?
	You're watching a documentary.
	You're not even watching the kind of hearing that they had previously, which was sort of like The Jacobin reign of terror hearings that they had in the last session when they were going after Trump.
	Here, they take excerpts from your testimony, leave out parts of it, and then play what they want to play.
	For example, they played a whole rendition of the December 18th meeting, some of which I could testify because it wasn't an attorney-client privilege, and they completely distorted my testimony.
	Major portions of it created a totally different impression of the advice that I had given, and then said something to the effect that Mr. Meadows walked me out, as if he was walking me out of the meeting.
	I was actually the one who concluded the meeting, and we were walking out together.
	But this is the kind of thing they do.
	It's a very, very sly, Use of facts to create propaganda.
	But also, it's not even facts, because if you look at their last star witness, you know, this is Cassidy Hutchinson, who I call Hearsay Hutchinson.
	This is hearsay upon hearsay upon hearsay.
	And also, it's stuff that's patently absurd.
	The idea that from the back of the beast, with 30-foot arms, you can reach the steering wheel.
	It's just a joke, Mr. Mayor.
	Well, I mean, I know personally that she's lying because she said that I asked for a pardon.
	People urged me to ask for a pardon, not because I'm guilty, but they urged me to ask for a pardon for me and for the lawyers and for others because they said they're going to come after you for things you didn't do.
	Right.
	And, you know, there was a basis for that.
	For four years, they went after Donald Trump for something he didn't do, Russian collusion.
	So, I mean, they're experts at it.
	They spent four years of their lives lying about Russian collusion.
	Why wouldn't they spend another four years lying about something else?
	But I said I didn't think... I thought it would be bad for him and it would be bad for me to do it, because people just wouldn't escape the fact that they would think we're guilty of something.
	So I had an affirmative conversation with him several times about that.
	And there were witnesses to it.
	And I have told him that.
	Now, at a minimum, They should at least put out that my direct testimony contradicts her hearsay testimony.
	Her version of it comes from somebody told me.
	I'm not doing somebody told me.
	I'm telling you.
	And I've got witnesses for it.
	That's all left out.
	That false impression is left.
	It's not an investigation.
	It is a witch trial.
	It's a show trial.
	However, I'm going to broach a sensitive issue here that for me is one of The most important issue is looking forward if President Trump is to win again and be in the White House.
	So this is from the Daily Caller, Mr. Mayor.
	This is Henry Rogers.
	It's a long article about this star witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, who apparently, before she appeared before the committee, for a year she was begging the Trump Organization for some assistance, for money, for lawyers' fees.
	I can't corroborate any of this, but isn't this perhaps the most Burning priority, whatever the issue you care about is, crime, the border, inflation, the economy, but it's personnel.
	The Trump movement, the Trump organization, America First, has to have quality people, and people who are part of that team have to be supported.
	Is this a potential weakness moving forward?
	It is, and it always is when you're in a situation of tremendous reform.
	You know, if you're just going in and you're going to spend four years having cocktail parties, like happens in most presidencies, or in this presidency, ruin the United States, it doesn't matter.
	But if you're going in and you're taking on some of the most difficult things that nobody else has taken on, you've got to have tremendous morale.
	You have to have really, really good people.
	I mean, let's face it.
	Schumer warned them right at the very beginning.
	He said, you take on the intelligence community, they'll destroy you.
	Yeah.
	There's something to that.
	Yeah, he said they have seven ways from Sunday to go after you.
	He actually said that on television.
	Mr. Mayor, a couple of minutes left.
	I need your experience as a star prosecutor, as a mayor, as advisor to the president, attorney to the president.
	How much legal jeopardy is he in?
	I believe they will forward spurious criminal referrals to DOJ.
	How worried should President Trump be right now in your professional opinion?
	Well, I mean, if this were anything close to the normal times and we had a real system of justice, he said no Trump.
	Yeah.
	Because asserting that he believed that the election was fraudulent and that he had to try and attempt remedies to that is a right that he and every candidate has and is asserted.
	There's nothing criminal about that at all.
	And in fact, now when we see things like the Wisconsin Supreme Court, Deciding what was it three days ago?
	Yeah, the entire system that was used in 2020 was illegal and fraudulent.
	I mean, it supports the fact that he wasn't.
	This wasn't something he was fantasizing.
	It's real.
	I mean, there's one report after another that comes out, but the Supreme Court of Wisconsin four to three ruled that the drop boxes We're completely illegal.
	And if you discount the votes in the drop boxes, which is what they say should have been done, Trump wins Wisconsin.
	I want to right now, that's a great result and we want to see many many more, but in front of our 3 million listeners plus all the viewers, I want to on record thank you.
	For not only what you did then, fighting, but what you've done since then, and that you do every single day.
	It's great to have you back on the show.
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	Hello?
	Yeah, why are they trotting out Joe Lieberman?
	It's like the Crypt Keeper.
	I mean, really, is this the best Cavuto can do?
	Democratic Vice President nominee from 2000.
	That's 22 years ago, dude!
	22 years!
	Okay, I'm gonna tweet that out.
	Such a loser.
	Okay.
	Yeah, let's separate them.
	Let's do my response to the Uvalde footage.
	To the latest Uvalde footage.
	And then the second one.
	How they're lying.
	How the January 6th committee is lying.
	Okay.
	Trish is next, right? - Yeah.
	There's nothing economy related.
	I'm going to use cut five with her.
	No, I will.
	I will use Cov.
	Yeah.
	I will use Cov.
	25.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	you you We'll be right back.
	Hey, Dr. G. I thought I knew what a real swamp was, but this here Washington, D.C., it's more putrid than the bayou at low tide in August.
	It surely is, and man is it swampy the last couple of days.
	Hitting almost 100 degrees here.
	I think we're going to get... Are we getting Trish Reagan on?
	Is she coming on?
	All right, before we do that, I've got to read the latest economic figures.
	We have the prediction from the Dow Jones for 8.8% inflation.
	The consumer price index was actually beaten.
	It's worse than was expected.
	It's the highest since 1981.
	We have 9.1% inflation.
	That is the biggest 12-month increase in nearly four decades.
	And what does the man in charge think about it?
	Does he even think at all?
	At the White House Congressional Picnic, It's stunning he actually says this stuff on microphones that are hot.
	This is the current incumbent of the White House, Joe Biden, talking about who the president really is.
	Well folks, you know you don't have to stand every time I hear hail of the chief wonder where the hell is he.
	Took me a long while.
	You think I'm joking, I'm not.
	Turn around and where's the president?
	Probably something you shouldn't admit on camera when you're standing at the presidential podium in front of a microphone, that when he hears hail to the chief, he turns around to look for the president.
	How long has he been in that position?
	A year and a half.
	Are we surprised that the economy is the way it is?
	Somebody who isn't, who I think may have to change her name by deed poll officially to Cassandra, is our regular guest, host of the Trish Reagan podcast.
	She's been warning us.
	Trish, welcome back to America First.
	It's so good to talk to you again.
	And here we are.
	And you know, a lot of people are saying, oh, shocking, shocking, shocking.
	Not shocking at all.
	You know what?
	Policy has consequences.
	And in this case, the policy has been just darn awful on every front.
	And consequently, we're dealing with 9.1% inflation.
	And you know what, Seb?
	It's even worse than that.
	Because the way the government measures this inflation now is very different than they did, say, back in 1983.
	They've taken out housing.
	So I actually think that when you... Oh, explain.
	No, no, no.
	Let us break that down.
	For those who aren't inside the system, why is that significant?
	Explain that sleight of hand.
	Well, back in 1983, as they were trying to get a handle on inflation, in part because, don't forget, every single time inflation goes up, you've got to pay more in Social Security, you've got to raise government wages, etc.
	So they said, you know, housing is an investment.
	It's an investment.
	So let's just take out housing because it's so volatile, and frankly, it's an investment.
	So if it goes up, whatever.
	And so they took that out of the equation.
	And so when the Fed looks at its metrics, and I think this is in part why they've sort of missed what was going on, they're not really looking at data that, say, is consistent with what you would have seen in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
	Which tells you, Fed, It's way more like 16, 17, 18 percent inflation when you really drill down and you use numbers that historically we have used as the commonwealth.
	No, I'm going to do something a little bit risky now because I know that this is your bread and butter.
	And I'm going to try and pull you out of that zone for a second.
	So I was pulling up to, I don't even remember where I was, probably the post office or something.
	And a guy got out of his car and he instantly recognized me.
	And he said, Dr. G, big fan.
	And then he immediately, clearly he's from the financial sector, he said, oh my gosh, that Janet Yellen, what a disaster.
	And I kind of didn't know how to react because I thought, Yellen?
	Who cares about Yellen?
	The border's open.
	Ukraine has been invaded.
	We've got Russia on the march, China in the march.
	Yellen is just one tiny symptom of a broader problem.
	So my point to you is, it's not just the economy that's the issue.
	The whole team is useless and we cannot hope for some kind of remedy from the people in power.
	I think this is a very poor team that is very poorly led, and you're absolutely right.
	There are a variety of issues.
	They're all plaguing us right now.
	Yellen, you know, look, she should have seen it coming, frankly.
	She chose not to, I guess, because she's become a political hack.
	But, you know, whether it's her or whether it's the rest of them, Pete Buttigieg, Secretary of Energy, Granholm, I mean, none of these people are qualified.
	Wall Street Journal actually has a great op-ed today.
	So we've only got a minute left.
	Trish, where's the bottom of all this?
	business experience the entire team there in Washington aside from our Commerce Secretary has had and it's the opposite of the Trump administration I mean none of these people have worked in the real world for goodness sakes Mayor Pete that's his claim to fame I mean in two years as a consultant at McKinsey so none of these people know what the heck they're doing and we're paying the price so we've only got a minute left Trish where's the bottom of all this where does this go I think it's gonna be rough for some time so it
	It's going to be rough, and you know what?
	People need to be prepared.
	These numbers are going to get worse before they get better, so buckle up.
	All right.
	Buckle up and put on the armor of knowledge, of information.
	Listen to this lady.
	Listen to her podcast.
	Trish Intel, she's on Locals as well, TrishReagan.Locals.com, TrishIntel.com and also Trish underscore Reagan.
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	Jeff is bringing me something, right?
	right two and a half minutes uh...
	Oh, that's right, you asked her for titles.
	Two and a half minutes.
	Are we calling this guy up?
	Um, I don't know, honestly.
	Uh, Jeff is still getting what he's getting.
	He's getting me the script, but...
	Yeah, I don't know.
	All right, 60 seconds. 60 seconds.
	We've got time.
	Thanks.
	Thank you.
	Can you come in with cut 4?
	Come in with cut 4, no liner.
	Who's the guest?
	I need to know who the guest is.
	It should be on the thing John just ran into.
	No, it's not.
	Oh, it's the second page.
	Jeff says the second paper.
	Thank you.
	Mr. President, what's your message to Democrats who don't want you to run again?
	They want me to run.
	Two-thirds say they don't.
	Read the polls.
	Read the polls, Jack.
	You guys are all the same.
	That poll showed that 92% of Democrats, if I ran, would vote for me.
	A majority of Democrats say they don't want you to run again in 2024.
	And in 2024, 92% said if I did, they'd vote for it.
	I don't even know where to start.
	What an irascible old man.
	Read the polls, Jack!
	What poll?
	The poll that you made up?
	The poll that somebody drew with crayon and then presented to you?
	92% of Democrats want you to run again?
	In what fantasy land?
	And why is he so angry?
	You guys are all the same.
	What?
	Asking questions that you don't have answers to?
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	Okay, so much to still discuss when it comes to the state of the economy.
	Thanks to Trish Regan.
	But now we're going to go to our buddies at the Job Creators Network, the Vice President there, Tony Angelini-Nagel.
	Tony, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you so much for having me back.
	Happy to be here.
	So, first things first, I need you to slice through the disinformation, the propaganda.
	The administration is beating its chest about last week's jobs report, saying that we gain jobs, everything's fine.
	Can you give us the full story?
	Are things as rosy as the White House would have us believe?
	Well, just like President Biden and his 92% approval rate in his own mind, if you dig a little bit deeper into the actual numbers, you will see that while, yes, over 370,000 jobs were added in June, when they recalculated for April and May, they took away 74,000 jobs.
	So unemployment rate is holding steady at 3.6%.
	The labor force participation rate actually fell.
	And ultimately, when you look at these jobs numbers, you see nothing but trouble on the horizon.
	Because at the end of the day, when you account for inflation and you account for the fact that people are just completely removing themselves from the workplace, wages are down, inflation is up.
	And whether or not they want to try to cherry pick one halfway decent statistic in a sea of statistics that are all pointing towards recession, all pointing towards really massive economic trouble on the horizon.
	You have to kind of tip your hat to all of the spin that this administration does on a daily basis because it's quite impressive.
	Our small business owners at the Job Creators Network are living this every day.
	And they have been telling us since January that things were bad and they were only about to get worse.
	And they were right then and they're right now when they say that we are in a recession, they're feeling the recession, and we're going to be in a recession.
	And unfortunately at the end of this month, you know, the Biden administration can try and deny it all they want, but there are going to be some really obvious GDP numbers that come out at the end of the month that are, that are, there's not going to be any avoiding the fact that we are in a recession.
	So, but I've got to ask you the same question I asked Trish just a few minutes ago.
	How bad can it get?
	What should we be preparing for?
	We're already hearing rumors That the ostensibly dead Build Back Better package may be resuscitated.
	Manchin may help Biden.
	So, things could get even worse, couldn't they, Tony?
	Unfortunately, yes, they absolutely could.
	You know, you can only hope that with numbers like today's CPI, Manchin will back off from even trying to be supportive of this slimmed down, we like to call it the build back broke bill at Job Creators Network, because ultimately,
	All it's going to do is squeeze small business owners, increase all of our taxes, and while small business owners are already dealing with some of the worst economic conditions they've faced in decades, Biden wants to throw new taxes at them and impede their ability to grow jobs and help their communities.
	We're already seeing data.
	In June, we saw that small businesses actually really put the brakes on hiring.
	And to answer your question of how much worse can it get, it can get a lot worse.
	And I can guarantee you that our small business owners that were able to survive the pandemic did not think that they were going to survive suffering through the pandemic only to be faced with these economic conditions that they're trying to fight through these days.
	Look, you guys have the best connections, the best network across the nation at the Job Creators Network.
	We're the backbone of this nation.
	The small companies, the medium-sized companies that employ more than 60 million Americans.
	Tell us the truth.
	We have this Biden almost $2 trillion rescue plan, the American Rescue Plan.
	Has it actually been spent on rescuing companies, Tony?
	Well, I can assure you that our small business owners are not feeling rescued.
	And, you know, here's another great example of when you look down into the weeds of what they're actually doing with some of these types of legislation, there were $783 million worth of stimulus checks that went to prisoners thanks to the, quote-unquote, rescue plan of the Biden administration.
	But my all-time favorite statistic is that $7 million was spent on social media influencers willing to promote seafood.
	That is a true fact.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Millions of dollars spent on social media influencers that were pushing seafood.
	Did I hear you correctly?
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	Hey, Tony here.
	Thanks so much.
	I'm hanging up.
	Thanks so much.
	All right.
	Mic's on.
	Next time.
	I'm going to use, actually, what have we got here?
	This is E. Time flies.
	I'm going to do Israel.
	I'm going to tee up...
	Six, and then I'm gonna play the super long one, the twelve.
	Twelve.
	Tee up six, and then you'll tee up twelve.
	Alrighty. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright.
	35. 35. 35. 35. 35. 35.
	35. 35.
	Hey Twitter, suspend this. - Oh my gosh, I've completely forgotten that one.
	Mr. G, how many gaffes, can you remember, how many gaffes can Biden do in a day?
	Has he like, hit some record today?
	Well he's overseas, you know he's much worse when he's overseas.
	Oh that's right, he doesn't travel well, does he?
	Not at all.
	No, alright, so he landed in Israel.
	It's a bit hard to hear, but he gets off Air Force One, and he literally, he doesn't know what he is, or where he is, or what he's doing.
	And he actually says it, the quiet bit, out loud.
	Cut six.
	What do I do now?
	And the Israeli Air Force officer has to grab him by the elbow and push him back onto the red car.
	What do I do now?
	Yeah that's who we are.
	Now here's something that's actually impressive.
	I saw this on the interwebs and it is superb.
	This is an immigrant to America.
	I think she's from Africa by her accent and she loves America and she says I'm not oppressed because I'm black.
	But the white liberal woman doesn't want to believe her because the white liberal woman knows better if black people are oppressed in America.
	Bear with me.
	It is absolutely superb.
	Cut 12.
	I am black.
	I'm not oppressed.
	I am free.
	That's good for you.
	That's an individual person.
	What about a systemic issue?
	Where?
	I am black.
	I've always wanted to be.
	I have a, like, I do what I want.
	You have the skills.
	This is a country where you have the skills.
	You want to do what you want.
	You do it.
	Stop, stop forcing on people to accept that they are oppressed.
	They are not.
	I am not oppressed.
	I am black.
	Stop making people accept that they're oppressed.
	You're forcing a rhetoric into their mind, which is not true.
	That's my point.
	Violence is wrong, period.
	It's not about blacks.
	You agree that whites kill whites too, right?
	Have you seen any white person coming out and saying white lives matter?
	No, violence is wrong.
	We literally do, all the time.
	Every time there's a Black Lives Matter protest, a white person... It's not a Black problem.
	It's a violence problem.
	The Blacks kill Blacks in Black neighborhoods every single day.
	I have never seen a Black Lives Matter in those neighborhoods.
	Never!
	Never Black Lives Matter.
	Stop the hypocrisy.
	Nobody takes this seriously.
	Nobody!
	If it matters, it should matter in Black neighborhoods.
	You start cleaning at home.
	Why is Black Lives Matter never in the black places where blacks are being killed by black Americans?
	Huh.
	Good question.
	What did she say?
	Start cleaning up at home?
	And the white liberal keeps lecturing her.
	We need more ladies like that.
	Let's find that lady.
	Let's get her on the show.
	That's an immigrant that understands America.
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	We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
	Let me say it again.
	The 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.
	Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
	Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
	I think millions of Americans know something went wrong, and they have little pieces, and no one's really put it together.
	I'm agnostic on this question, and I am awaiting more information.
	If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
	Bold accusations require bold evidence, and they haven't seen it.
	We have been working on something big.
	Show me the money.
	Can we meet?
	I've been working with Greg Phillips.
	He has a deep background in election intelligence.
	True The Vote has the largest store of election intelligence for the 2020 elections in the world.
	No one has more data than we do.
	We identified in Atlanta 242 mules that went to an average of 24 drop boxes.
	But Philadelphia alone, we've identified more than 1,100 mules.
	What is a mule?
	A person picking up ballots and running them to the drop boxes.
	This is not grandma out walking her dog.
	Bad backgrounds, bad reputations.
	They are interested in one thing, that's money.
	And in no shape, in no way, in no time is that legal.
	This is organized crime.
	Do you have video evidence?
	Four million minutes of surveillance video around the country.
	What you're about to see is disturbing.
	So this is 1 o'clock in the morning.
	Don't we all vote at 1 o'clock in the morning?
	One night, this person, this mule, went across six counties to 27 different drop boxes.
	I call it the Mexican Mafia, seriously.
	Because they work like that.
	This is jaw-dropping.
	What you showed is frightening.
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	Was the magnitude of vote trafficking enough to tip the balance in the 2020 presidential election?
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	of populism.
	Has the conservative movement changed?
	Is it moving inexorably towards victory across the planet?
	These are the big questions that we will be asking and getting answers for today from somebody I love to have on this show, especially for the Deeper Dive.
	That's why we do one-on-one.
	I'm Dr. G, and he's Dr. Steve.
	Dr. Steve Turley, welcome back to America First!
	Dr. G, it is always an honor.
	Thank you so much.
	Dr. G and Dr. T. I like that.
	Dr. G and Dr. T. It rhymes.
	We should be a rap group or something.
	You know, classic paleo-conservative rappers.
	I don't know if there is such a thing, but we could start a craze anyway.
	In Elizabethan English, of course.
	Well of course, well of course, in our dotage.
	Look, we have so much to discuss, especially your response to the cancel culture fascists, what's happening to you in Pennsylvania.
	We've got to talk about really what you expect this year in the midterms, what's happening internationally, what we should be planning for and what our role as conservatives is in 2024.
	But first, For those who were, I don't know, maybe in a coma the last time, please tell a little bit about Dr. Steve, what you studied in the past.
	We've got a couple of your books.
	I want to flash them up there right now.
	I'll be repeating them so everybody makes sure you have these in your library.
	We have The Return to Christianity, absolute essential reading.
	Then we have New Nationalism as well, and I believe the most recent is Beauty Matters.
	So you are a bibliophile, you're a graphomaniac, you write a lot, which is a good thing in a day and age of social media.
	But tell our three million listeners and all the other viewers across the nation, who is Steve Turley, whence does he come, and what does he specialize in?
	Well, interestingly, I have two degrees.
	I have a degree in music from a music conservatory, Peabody Conservatory, and I have a degree in theology.
	So I like to say I went where the money is.
	In the process of that, I discovered classical education about 20 years ago.
	There's a massive revitalization of bringing back Western civilization-based, great books-based Education, Latin and Greek and the like.
	And while I was teaching in that context, I ended up going to Durham University, as you and I both are UK grads, and I got my doctorate there.
	And as part of my studies, I started diving into something called post-secular studies.
	It was something that just absolutely blew my mind.
	And these scholars were arguing that we were moving Away from an old sort of modernist, secular, globalist world.
	And more and more into a world where we're going to see religion and conservatism and nationalism and populism rise up again.
	And this was back in 2009.
	So this is the apex of the Obama years.
	So I didn't believe it at first.
	What kind of people are we talking about?
	Name some names who were predicting this back then.
	Well, definitely Peter Berger is the huge one.
	Peter Berger is a sociologist who for ages argued for what's known as the secularization thesis.
	And the secularization thesis believed that as Modern society went unimpeded.
	We would get more and more and more secular.
	So the more educated, the more technological—that's the paradigm that governed sociology for 100 years.
	And then he recanted in the 1990s, largely through his work in Japan.
	And he recognized that here you've got one of the most technological people on the planet, but also one of the most ritualized people on the planet as well.
	And for heaven's sakes, Shinto Abe in many respects was just murdered, at least he's saying because of some strange Shinto cultic So it's really—he finally concluded religion may have gone underground for a while, but now it's coming back in spades.
	And Julie Eckner and a number of other scholars arguing very much the same thing.
	And the interesting thing is they tend—not Peter Berger so much, but the others tend to be actually quite liberal— Sam Huntington, in many ways, the clash of civilization thesis of fame there, he's often referred to as a post-secular scholar because he saw the end of the globalist sort of Fukuyama world and the rise more of a nationalist populist and traditionalist
	Well, what he saw, because Huntington, if I may just interject here, is so often misinterpreted.
	I love it when people say what somebody wrote without reading the actual books.
	What he argued for is not a rise of new ideologies or the The death of democracy and the anti-Fukuyama prediction.
	Of course, Fukuyama's book, The End of History and the Last Man, was garbage.
	I mean, we're living the reversal of that.
	But what he said, he talked about these liminal areas, that in an age of the loss of bipolarity that defined geopolitics, conflicts would arise once more at the border areas where civilizations rubbed up against each other.
	And of course, the perfect example, and he nailed it, was the Balkans, where you have And Ukraine!
	And Ukraine, right.
	We have Orthodox, Catholic, Muslim together, or whether it's Taoist and others.
	So where in the East and the West, or the Balkans, where these ancient, ancient belief systems come up against each other, that's going to be the root of new conflict.
	So you read these things, you heard these things, you said, wow, is this really going to happen?
	And then, and what did you, how did your career develop after that, Steve?
	Well, I kept abreast of the studies.
	Again, like I said, I didn't see a lot of evidence for them when I was reading them originally, outside of India or the rise of the BJP out there or something like that.
	But I was fascinated by it, and I just remember June 23, 2016—actually, it would be the 24th, the morning I woke up—I And the European Union for the first time shrank.
	If people don't know what I'm talking about, it's Brexit.
	And I remember thinking to myself, we just saw perhaps the single most globalist institution on the planet, maybe outside of the Davos, grow.
	Just shrink.
	It began to, at least in a major part, shatter.
	And that's when I thought—and then I remember just—I mean, he was there, he was in Scotland, as I understand, but I remember just literally that week, President Trump—well, soon-to-be President Trump saying, call me Mr. Brexit, as he would put it.
	And I realized at that moment—that's when my personal experience overlapped with the studies that I was reading.
	I said—and I just thought—and I had a colleague of mine who's now the president of our company, and I just said, I've got to tell the good news to conservatives, who tend to wallow in despair, let's be honest, right?
	We tend to be so pessimistic.
	Well, look around.
	We've got good reason.
	I know, I know.
	We've got good reason.
	I know, and again, in fairness, my narrative is I didn't believe it at the beginning either.
	I thought, oh my gosh, the Obama age is where we're going.
	So I took to YouTube on November 1, 2016, recorded seven straight videos, We're getting near a million.
	to the 8th arguing that Donald Trump was going to win this election because this election was going to be a Brexit election.
	And boom, here we are.
	And now you are on the cusp of how many subscribers, Dr. Steve?
	We're getting near a million.
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	Let's just wind back a little bit, because I love these discussions.
	I could do these for hours.
	You know me.
	My first degree was philosophy and theology.
	It's not an accident that you studied music as well, like Robert Riley, who wrote the incredible work If you're not familiar with it, good friend of mine, surprised by beauty.
	If you understand classical music and music, you understand truth, you understand God, you understand beauty.
	So none of this is an accident.
	But let's talk about realpolitik.
	For those who, you know, living here, trying to pay the bills, surviving the Biden regime, Brexit truly has to be understood because This wasn't supposed to happen.
	The EU, the European Economic Community, was supposed to be paradise.
	The coming together of all nations, subsuming their sovereignty under a super-federal state, and there'd be peace and harmony.
	And the idea, they didn't even prepare.
	There was no way to leave this socialist paradise.
	So the significance of what Nigel Farage and 17.4 million Brits did is to tell the world that, you know what, we like to be sovereign nations and sovereign citizens.
	Is that an overstatement, Steve?
	Not even.
	No.
	No, if anything, we're understating.
	It's astonishing what happened.
	And it's so sad in many ways, because the British Government has really yet—I mean, Bojo just absolutely squandered an amazing paradigm-shifting opportunity there.
	Ironically, because he was elected in December 2019, well, the landslide election back there, Saw this amazing defection of working-class voters who've been voting for labor forever Suddenly switch over and like for the first time in their lives vote for the Tories Hmm sounds kind of familiar like what happened in Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan and Pennsylvania in 2016 and again in 2020 I might add.
	Yeah, so, you know, so we're seeing this massive paradigm shift where the the hint, you know the hinterland worker Oh, that's great.
	representation whatsoever among our political elite.
	And it is a perfect time.
	I think it's Matthew Goodwin, the political theorist scholar who wrote the book Nationalist Populism.
	He calls it a process known as de-alignment.
	He's arguing...
	Oh, that's great.
	That's great.
	Isn't it great?
	We have never seen the time...
	Hold that thought...
	I have something to ask with regards to de-alignment.
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	On that phrase, Dr. Steve, of the decoupling or the de-alignment.
	De-alignment, yeah.
	Somebody said it to me thusly with regards to Brexit, and I think the same applies to America First, MAGA, to Democrats voting for the billionaire from Queens.
	Once somebody who's been voting Labour or the Left for 40 years, whose parents voted for Labour in the coal mines for 40, 50 years, once they vote against their party, once they vote against the establishment politicians, you don't go back.
	Once, as a lifestyle decision, you reject the establishment that you have been not a part of but supporting for decades, That has a seismic effect on politics, does it not?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And that's exactly what we've been seeing now over these last several years.
	And again, it's not just the States, it's not just Britain.
	We're seeing it throughout France, Marine Le Pen with National Rally and the like.
	My heavens, in Italy right now, if they were to have their elections, their two right-wing parties, Legan Brothers of Italy, would run away with it.
	So, yeah, these are just—these shifts are fascinating because they really do reveal a massive gap in alienation between the people and their elite rulers.
	I think it was—Goodwin had some—one study in his In his book, one poll that found—and I'm going to just paraphrase—he found that among the elite, among politicians in the UK, about 70 percent of them always thought immigration was a great thing, whereas among your average citizen in the UK, it was about 10 percent.
	So the gap between the values, interests, concerns of these two, for lack of better term, classes, as it were, just couldn't have been wider.
	And so the more that the left is embracing identity politics, which is if you think about a political suicide, the more they embrace wokeism and identity politics, the more they are alienating white working class, and particularly Latinos, who are the most conservative and particularly Latinos, who are the most conservative demographic we have in our country, most pro-life, most pro-church, and so on.
	And now we see with Mayra Flores what happens when you start embracing identity politics.
	They begin leaving in droves.
	And we're in effect seeing the left coalition unravel right before our very eyes.
	Yeah, so I wanted to move to something else with regards to our side, the conservative side, but you've raised something that I just want to jump on right here.
	You said that this is political suicide.
	Identity politics is political suicide.
	So here is where I stumble, because I've studied philosophy from the ancient Greeks up to Kierkegaard and everyone else in the modern age, Nietzsche and so forth.
	But I see a lack of rationale on the left, especially in the last year and a half.
	They seem to be so, I use the phrase, hostages to their own ideology.
	There's never a moment, you know, you don't have to like Bill Clinton, I mean personally, a complete reprobate.
	But at least a pragmatist.
	I mean, he would reign in the crazies.
	Yes, center left.
	Yeah, here, not even a politician of 47 years in the swamp like Biden or Schumer or Pelosi.
	They show zero inkling of reigning in the crazies.
	So how is it?
	Do you have any potential explanation for how a whole political movement is doing things that Really, from the January 6th committee, to open borders, to doubling of gas prices, would seem rationally to be political suicide.
	Are they truly just painted into a corner in their own Kevlar-clad bubble?
	Yeah, I think so.
	You and I have talked before about the Frankfurt School and so on.
	We go back to Herbert Marcuse and this whole notion of repressive tolerance.
	Your listeners can look it up online.
	You can read the essay on repressive tolerance by Marcuse.
	He basically made the argument—and it's a strange one, if you think it through—but The argument is anything advocated by the so-called minority, by the so-called oppressed, anything advocated by them is to be embraced, whereas anything advocated by the dominant oppressor, that's to be rejected.
	And so it seems to me that that That opened itself up to a certain absurdity, that there's no critical thinking in terms of what we're for.
	We're for anything.
	And then when you start reinventing what a minority is, when you start creating all these strange—we don't even know what a woman is because we've become so Fluid with it.
	And it's so interesting too, and you even see that, you see that repressive tolerance in action when you will have the same movement that tells you, I don't know what a woman is, but darn it, I am an inerrant expert on fascists, you know?
	So it's like, wait a minute now, how come I'm getting reified in my categories where you turn around and, you know, biology is fluid for you?
	I mean, so, So does that mean that in the eventual rolling out of whatever they're doing, there has to be a point where the whole thing collapses under its own weight of nonsense?
	Here's the coolest thing, in my opinion, and we have some studies on this that Eric Kaufman has published.
	I think it was in Newsweek as well.
	Every woke issue, every woke issue, CRT, transgenders and women's sports, every woke issue splits the Democrats.
	Even liberals hate the woke.
	I mean, Bill Maher, right?
	Piers Morgan, you name it.
	Even liberals despise the woke.
	Because you still have that center-left mentality that says, look, I do want free speech.
	I do want equal protection in the law and so forth.
	So even the left hates the woke.
	And here's the coolest thing.
	If that's the case, then what we find is not only in any woke issue splits the left, but the counter to that is wokeness unites the right.
	And this is how Glenn Youngkin was able to win Virginia, if you think it through, because he kept pushing Terry McAuliffe on CRT, CRT, and every time McAuliffe defended it, he was splitting his own base while uniting Youngkin's base.
	Because Republicans are much more likely to vote against wokeism than the left is to vote for it.
	So yes, they're eating each other alive.
	Ron DeSantis has proven this.
	If you want to guarantee a victory, if you want to guarantee it, on the right, push wokeism.
	The culture wars are ours now.
	Yeah, it's remarkable.
	It's funny.
	With a wry smile I say this.
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	Terms matter.
	Wittgenstein.
	Language has to have meaning.
	In a recent video, you talked about the collapse of the liberal order, which is great.
	We love it.
	Whatever's happening across the nation, whatever's happening, you know, in Holland, in Poland and elsewhere.
	But then you threw out these labels for what's winning.
	You talked about populism.
	You talked about neo-traditionalism.
	You talked about civilizationism.
	I need you to, let's pin these things down.
	Let's get specific.
	For you, for Dr. Steve, what is the best term that covers from Orbán to Trump to Brexit to Farage to MAGA?
	What for you is the most discreet, in the philosophical sense, nomenclature for what we are witnessing?
	Yeah, so when all is said and done, I would go with the idea of conservative as traditionalism.
	We're going back.
	This is a return.
	That's the key.
	So if modernity is inherently liberal, if modernity is inherently all about throwing away our traditions and customs as now out of date and superstitious and so forth, what we're seeing now is a return.
	I mean, even China is talking more about Confucianism than it is Marx.
	This is hot now.
	Everybody wants to go back to their civilizational religions at this point.
	But what makes it complicated is that if globalism de-territorializes—how's that for a nomin' sense?
	If globalism de-territorializes politics, takes it away from the local— This is the Greta Thunberg, the Great Reset, where you're actually denying the way human beings live, which is in community, with sovereignty, with territory— It's the antithesis of what?
	About 6,000 years of written history?
	Exactly right.
	And it's replacing civilization with a system.
	That's basically what it is.
	It's replacing it with a single one size fits all political and economic system that then kicks in woke values.
	To replace all religions.
	And then it's governed by a technocratic elite at the top.
	So that's the Davos crowd, that's the bullies in Brussels, the dolts in D.C., you know, whatever you want to play with them.
	So that's what globalism did, is it de-territorialized.
	It took political decision-making and compromise and so forth away from the local and centralized it in almost this corporative politics.
	And what we're seeing in this backlash against it is a re-territorialization going on, where politics is being brought back.
	The complicated thing, though, is because globalism got rid of our borders, it got rid of our boundaries and so forth.
	Everybody is sort of re-territorializing in a different way.
	So mostly what we're seeing is just going back to the nationalism, going back to natural sovereignty.
	Let me ask you on that exactly.
	I love this.
	The bullies in Brussels or the dolts in DC.
	I'm not trying to be provocative, but I heard this from somebody else and it kind of made me stop and think.
	As a conservative, you wish to conserve that which has proven to work.
	But Steve, in an environment where they've destroyed it all, there is nothing to conserve.
	The traditions, the family, and everything else has been busted up, undermined.
	So isn't it more now a praxis of recreating than conserving?
	Isn't that a bigger challenge?
	Yeah, revitalizing as another right.
	No, I think you're right.
	I do.
	And I think that's where the whole notion of the parallel polis that Václav Havel, Václav Benda talked about in the 1970s and Czechoslovakia, all their major institutions, their classical, traditional European institutions have been decimated.
	No, I'm so glad you said that.
	Soviet period.
	And so they felt the need to rebuild structure, to rebuild society in their own local spheres so that they could live out truth.
	So we're not the first generation for having to do this obviously, and you know that more than anyone else.
	No, no, I'm so glad you said that.
	That's really illuminating that in post-communist nations, like the ones my parents escaped from, they actually had to do The communism had decimated, had deconstructed everything that was wholesome.
	So yes, there is a model out there.
	They're struggling.
	Some of those countries are still struggling.
	There is a model out there.
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	So you mentioned this phrase, well let's just talk about the gross phenomena.
	So you have Brexit, you have movements across India, you have America First, you have MAGA, and you have a rejection of the old elite, which is clear, it's obvious, an utter rejection.
	JD Vance, you name it, the Hillbilly Elegy, you have more people voted for President Trump than any other incumbent president in history, and he's not a politician.
	But here's my problem.
	He's not a member of the elite.
	He's not a politician.
	When we walked into the White House, we had literally no bench.
	There was about 20 of us, less than 20 of us, who were in senior positions who understood America first and were loyal to the will of the American people.
	So there's no new elite that is plugged into the will of the American people.
	So this is where I see the real challenge.
	We see this with Boris in the UK.
	We see this.
	Who's going to replace Boris?
	Boris failed us.
	He got his Brexit.
	But at the end of the day, he wimped out.
	He went full COVID, lockdown and everything else.
	So I love your optimism.
	I love your optimism.
	But isn't the largest stumbling block we face in praxis, practically, is that we can reject the old guard But who's gonna run the country as a patriot?
	Donald Trump by himself isn't enough.
	And we saw the amount of sedition and sabotage.
	So who's working on that?
	Do you have a sense?
	I hear in the States, I don't, unfortunately.
	I mean, that's when we're hitting the deep state.
	And again, I know you know that better than anyone.
	You have first-hand knowledge there.
	I remember you actually sharing an example of that when you spoke down in Delaware a few years back for the Pastors Conference, or Faith and Freedom.
	I forgot what it was.
	Where you walked in, there was a meeting, and they were all talking about, OK, we're going to do this, we're going to do that, and that.
	And you raised your hand and said, did anyone even consider what President Trump wants to do?
	They just live in their own world.
	So I do.
	I just look at nations like India with the Bharatiya Janata Party, Prime Minister Modi, and how they've been able to basically redefine politics, again, for right or for wrong.
	There's all kinds of—this re-territorialization is going to be complicated in how it works.
	Or you look at how War Bond has done it.
	You look at how the Law and Justice Party in Poland has done it.
	They've really been able to overcome the secular liberal paradigms that were pretty ensconced in those areas.
	But I don't know if they had to deal with a deep state quite like the United States or quite like Brussels.
	Because we are the apex of globalism.
	We are it.
	And Yes.
	There's so much money, and there's so much power, and there's so much at stake.
	So it's going to take a lot of chipping away.
	So where I take tremendous solace is what's happening at local governments like what we're seeing in Florida, for example, with Ron DeSantis just making Florida just so deep red.
	We're seeing it a bit in Ohio with J.D. Vance coming in, again, helping to make Ohio deep red.
	Forget Ohio's not purple anymore.
	Ohio's as red as it got.
	Iowa's doing the same thing.
	They voted for Dukakis in 88, for heaven's sake.
	Now they're voting for Trump by 10-point margins twice.
	So, yeah, it just seems there has to be a real shift of the heart, as it were, for everyone involved.
	And man, I don't even know if there's a heart in D.C.
	at this point.
	Well, there is.
	It's dark, it's wizened, and it's not blood that's running through it.
	It's something much worse.
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	So I have a cut from a certain rather rich individual who's from South Africa.
	Let's play cut.
	And a good sign as to whether there is free speech is, is someone you don't like allowed to say something you don't like?
	And if that is the case, then we have free speech.
	And it's damn annoying when someone you don't like says something you don't like.
	That is a sign of a healthy, functioning free speech situation.
	So, we can be very excited about Brexit, about President Trump, about what's happening with the farmers in Holland and Poland and elsewhere, but isn't there a huge part of this question, freedom of speech, access to information, propagation of disinformation and censorship by big tech.
	Whatever happens with Twitter, who knows what's going to happen with Musk and Twitter, in terms of the success of the neo-traditionalists or the new conservative movement.
	How much of that success is dependent on some swinging changes that are coming in information technology?
	Yeah, I think it's huge, but I think it's all part of it's happening together and organically and the like.
	So scholars refer to it as a network society.
	Network society is different than the modernist society in which we used to live in, where we related to each other by proximity.
	So if I wanted to get into country music, I'd have to move to Nashville.
	If I wanted to get into finance, I'd move to Wall Street.
	If I wanted to get into gambling, I'd have to move to Las Vegas.
	But in a network society, we're all connected by network, so internet networks.
	And so if I want to get into country music, I just need a guitar and a webcam.
	If I want to get into finance, I just have to plug in and create my own financial center online.
	Or if I want to go start gambling, I can do something online there as well.
	We're no longer proximate to each other.
	We're now related through network.
	So it's the way email and texting Has bypassed the old snail mail, for example, the post office and the like.
	That's what's happening here.
	And the neat part about that is that by its nature, decentralizes information.
	So all the old, the old model was based on proximity to, you know, the cosmopolitan coastal elite areas.
	So the New York Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times, San Francisco Chronicle, or you get the Chicago Tribune or something in the Midlands.
	But now we get America First, we get the Turley Talks channel, we get that anywhere in the world, anytime in this curated content.
	And that's changing things.
	Granted, the change is slow and it's frustrating, especially with Silicon Valley still operating by that old model of monopolizing information.
	But those days are limited.
	It's eventually going to get decentralized.
	And then content creators are going to be, I think, of how we think about the world rather than just these monolithic tyrants over information that are located in our cosmopolitan, i.e. globalist woke cities.
	And it's one of the content creators right now who is decentralized we're talking to, so subscribe to Dr. Turley Talks right now and get his books, especially the most recent Beauty Matters.
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	I have to bring our listeners, our viewers, up to date.
	You, too, have been involved in a clash with the censorious cancel-culture fascists in the Keystone State.
	You've got a great celebration of PA Patriots.
	What happened to your new documentary, and how are you fighting back?
	Give us the story.
	Yeah, well, we produced over the last year a documentary called The Return of the American Patriot, The Rise of Pennsylvania.
	It's a wonderful story of how ordinary Americans, never before involved in politics at all, rose up and mobilized to successfully take on Unconstitutional COVID mandates, push for election integrity, overturn woke school boards across the states.
	Really an inspirational story.
	And you would think that anyone supportive of democracy would be interested in a film like that, but little did we know that that very drama we capture on film would actually play itself out in real time for the premiere.
	So we scheduled our premiere of the film for this weekend.
	July 16th at a local IMAX theater in Lancaster called Penn Cinema, sold out of our 400 tickets literally in hours.
	It was awesome.
	And then we learned just days before the premiere that a group of woke activists called Stand Up Lancaster cry-bullied the movie theater to cancel the premiere.
	You mean all three of them, right?
	Exactly!
	That's exactly it.
	You go to their social media accounts, there's hardly anybody there.
	The guy caved, unfortunately.
	This is what you need for cancel culture to work.
	There's not enough woke ideologues out there.
	You need, unfortunately, cowards in the business world to cave.
	And when you have the crazies combined with cowards, you get cancel culture.
	So what are you going to do about it, Dr. Steve?
	Well, by God's grace, we found another venue that seats twice the amount of people.
	So we've been able to sell twice the amount of tickets.
	And our give-send-go crowdsourcing to help with the expenses of the film, when people found out about this, it doubled in its giving overnight.
	So I have to say, Seth, I wish I could just send a letter of thanks to these guys, but given that they have not emotionally or intellectually matured past seventh grade, I don't think they'd get the irony.
	It's exactly the same with your buddy, my buddy, Mike Lindell.
	Whenever they came after him, He sells more and more of his amazing products.
	Where can they find out more about this amazing movie, The Return of the American Patriot?
	They can go to our GiveSendGo.com campaign.
	It's GiveSendGo.com forward slash the return of American Patriot movie.
	And now there's a nice little trailer on there.
	And if you are so inclined, you can also give to help with the expenses.
	All right.
	I can't wait.
	I'm going to watch it.
	I'm going to donate as well.
	Sounds superb.
	Keep doing what you do.
	That flew by.
	That lasted about three minutes for me, that hour.
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