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June 29, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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Jim Hanson LIVE: Show Trial for the Invented Insurrection

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	Thank you.
	Thank you. .
	I I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First, and I'm delighted to welcome our special guest host, Jim Hansen.
	Hey folks, it is Jim Hansen, and I am tickled pink to be here in the Gorka chair while Seb gets some well-deserved time away from the swamp with his family.
	And the fun thing about being here today is we are in the midst of one of the greatest Clown show, circus, train wreck, show trial, propaganda fest of my entire lifetime.
	It's just stunning.
	I mean there's always, come on, D.C.
	is a joke.
	D.C.
	is a horrible place.
	The things they do here and the things the media does overall are Shockingly bad and honestly bad for the country.
	But what they're doing right now with what we're calling in this show the show trial for the invented insurrection is a new high and low at the same time.
	It's awesome.
	I mean, I'm so glad.
	I would like to thank Liz Cheney, you know, and Pelosi and everybody who is involved with this, Kinzinger, you know, any of the backstabbing rhinos, as well as the leftists who are bringing this joke of a kangaroo court.
	I want to thank them for pointing out exactly how far gone the left is.
	I mean, they just no longer are even in sight of reality.
	And I think the interesting thing is I've never seen a show trial this badly managed, even going back to the days of the Soviet Union.
	You know, they televised some of theirs.
	They showed because they wanted the world to see that they were punishing dissidents and they were doing all this.
	And those compared to what is happening this time around on Capitol Hill, It's night and day.
	The Soviet trials were at least well organized.
	They had their ducks in a line.
	Their witnesses knew what they were talking about.
	Now we've got these people sitting up there telling blatant lies that are so easily fact checkable that I'm actually shocked that yesterday when this wonderful woman, Cassidy Hutchinson, who decided she wanted to be famous, went up who decided she wanted to be famous, went up and lied for a good hour or so while Liz Cheney just threw her softballs that she whiffed.
	And she told such horrendously dumb stories that instantly they were being reality checked and BS flags were flying on Twitter and on all the social media.
	But the best thing about it was the media knew this was coming.
	The January 6th apparatus for doing this show trial and trying to pull another one over on the American people, they knew this was garbage.
	So they instantly had all their headlines up.
	So as soon as she said, Trump threw a Big Mac at the wall and we're all gonna die, boom.
	Every major media outlet had a headline up, Trump threw a Big Mac at the wall, we're all gonna die.
	Then she dives into, Trump turned into the Incredible Hulk and was strangling Secret Service agents and driving the beast across the White House lawn, busting down fences so that he could personally lead the insurrection and hang Nancy Pelosi.
	Okay, five seconds later, every major media outlet had that story up absolutely incredulous.
	No need to fact check this.
	You know, no need to wonder why this former aide to Mark Meadows was all of a sudden willing to tell all these tales.
	No, no, no, no.
	We don't need to do that.
	We're gonna do the classic play.
	Which is print the lie and bury the correction.
	So every one of them had their story up.
	Trump personally tries to lead the insurrection.
	I went today to my favorite enemy propaganda site, the Drudge Report.
	Because I wanted to see.
	Drudge now serves as a place to find out what the left wants us to think.
	I looked at Drudge's site and he had this Trump rage.
	Don is, you know, trying to throw stuff at the wall.
	He wanted to join the armed mob on the hill.
	And then the best part, the part that they're just so dumb they can't see how bad it is, They brought in a guy to play music from Cats to calm Trump down so he wouldn't probably press the nuke button, you know, and erase California.
	I am stunned that they actually think this stuff is working.
	And the thing is, it just shows how deluded the left is and how stuck inside their bubble they are.
	Because the bottom line is nobody's buying this except the rabid leftists and rhino traders who are so invested in this that they can't even see beyond the craziness.
	They have such a deluded idea of what Trump was, what he did, and what he's capable of that it doesn't matter what you tell them.
	They're like, of course he did, and they're immediately willing to do it.
	So we get what we had yesterday, which is, you know, all kinds of people now saying this was a tremendously damaging day.
	You know, Hutchinson's testimony sinks Trump, makes it more likely he'll be prosecuted.
	How could it make it?
	I mean, whether or not he's going to be prosecuted has nothing to do with anything that happens at this farce.
	All right, let's be clear about that.
	They either have the fix in with some, you know, attorney, U.S.
	attorney or somebody somewhere who's willing to indict Trump on this, or they don't.
	Now, I think they probably do, and it would be a complete waste of time if they don't.
	Why hold this farce if you're not going to hold the man who made the most devastating damage to the U.S.
	Republic in the history of it, including the Civil War, apparently?
	If you're not going to charge him with these horrendous crimes, then why are you doing this?
	Because nobody's watching.
	You know, and I think that's the funny part.
	They're staging this.
	They hired a TV news executive to stage their thing so it would be professional.
	They're patting each other on the back saying, this has been so great.
	You know, it's been nonstop drama.
	And we've broke all these tremendous stories about how awful the events of January 6th were.
	And we've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump and his associates were trying to overthrow the government of the United States of America.
	No, you haven't.
	You haven't actually proved a single crime.
	The only crimes that anyone has even begun to show that happened on January 6th were the assaults on police officers in some cases, not all of them, in some cases during the three-hour riot.
	That's it.
	This was a political rally, got out of control.
	You know, there's also evidence that the police shot pepper spray and, you know, noise grenades into the crowd before the crowd actually got extra rowdy.
	But in the end, some people did attack police officers, and they should be punished for that.
	Everything else, every other charge they've brought up, every piece of garbage, you know, lying propaganda that they've spewed at the American public is not just unproven, it's unbelievable.
	It didn't happen.
	And it hasn't stopped them.
	They've scared a lot of people into going ahead and copping to crimes that they didn't really commit because they're scared and their lawyers are telling them, yeah, if you lose in court, you could go to prison for decades.
	So they're now copping to charges like seditious conspiracy and other things that never happened because they have to show the evidence.
	We've seen the evidence.
	When these people go ahead and cop to these crimes, there's no evidence of anything beyond a riot.
	That's it.
	That's all they've got.
	So their whole show trial now is just about trying in a massively failing effort To go ahead and convince the American people that Donald Trump and the rest of his mob of insurrectionists were actually trying to subvert the Constitution, the democratic process, and steal an election.
	As opposed to doing what they were 100% allowed to do, which is challenge, using every tool at their disposal, one of the worst conducted elections in our history.
	Anybody with two eyes and an above room temperature IQ can see that the left cheated in many, many ways.
	A lot of the fraud allegations may be a bridge too far, but there's no question they violated their own election laws in Pennsylvania, in Wisconsin, in Michigan.
	They allowed signatures that were missing to be filled in.
	You know, they just did all kinds of things that bring the election into question.
	So Trump and his associates were all together authorized to fight that, but that wasn't good enough for them.
	They gotta have their insurrection, and that's what they're looking at now.
	So we'll be back with a lot more amazing guests, Kurt Schlichter, Julie Kelly, Will Chamberlain, Amanda Milius, to talk about this.
	This is Jim Hansen sitting in for Seb, and we'll be back with more America First Radio.
	You're good to have the mics on and the brakes, right Jim?
	Yeah, let's remind people that I'm not smart enough to secure this thing in my ear.
	Sorry, what do you want for going to break?
	Do you need 60 seconds?
	Yeah, one minute's good.
	It would be better though if I actually had the earpiece in when you say that because it fell out and I'm sitting there.
	At least I got the clock, you know?
	But I handled it like a true professional.
	I didn't even notice that it fell out until John told me.
	I was like, he's handling it because he's a bro.
	Yeah, there's no point in freaking out.
	We're doing radio.
	You feel like it's in good now though?
	Do you think it's gonna keep popping out?
	I think it's good.
	I'll just make sure to pop it in deeper when I start.
	I don't need eardrums.
	You got three minutes.
	All they do is just hold you back from enjoying fine music.
	Is that what it is?
	Nah, I'm joking.
	I was talking about your drums.
	Yeah.
	Alright, now... The reeds, what do I got for times on those?
	Your mic's gotta be on, Jeff.
	He's on the phone, nevermind.
	I'll let you know in a second.
	But I got Julie coming up next segment, so.
	Yes, and she is by phone.
	Yep, he's getting her.
	Yeah, he's getting her on the line now.
	Awesome sauce. .
	Remember, the mics are live and Jim says inappropriate things in the break.
	Two minutes, 20 seconds, and she is on.
	It's Wiser.
	Julie!
	So, hold on.
	Those reads, they're, um, it's just once a show, each one.
	Okay.
	She's on.
	Julie?
	Hello!
	Hey, that's a great picture they got up for you, which you probably can't see.
	Is it the one that's, like, eight years old?
	It's got, like, a black and white kind of film noir looking.
	Oh, yeah!
	Yeah, I love that picture.
	Yeah, I should put that back up.
	That was from a few years ago.
	For a while, they had this photo of me that my friend took, like, in 2015.
	I'm like, oh, dear God, I wish I looked like that, but I don't anymore.
	I think I've looked equally bad for long enough that it doesn't matter which photo you use of me.
	Not true!
	Not true at all.
	Well hey, let's have some fun.
	I think obviously we have the show trial of the century underway.
	I know you're normally focused on the victim side.
	Is there anything you want to hit there or do you want to just jump on the other show trial side?
	You know, one thing, one angle we could discuss, Jim, is how these hearings and this nonstop coverage is continuing to poison an already biased jury pool in Washington, D.C.
	So I think that that's an important angle in terms of, you know, what's happening with these defendants as they go to trial in the swamp.
	Okay.
	Hey, leave that up so I can read her, her book title.
	Um, and she's come, she's kind of overblown in my ear.
	Is there a way to, I don't know how she sounds to you guys.
	I can hear her.
	She sounds fine on video end, but, um, I just turned your IFB down a little bit.
	Hey, Julie, you want to talk to me for a sec?
	Yes, I'm sorry, Jim.
	Jim, you know me, I'm just a loud mouth.
	No, no, it's not you.
	It was the...
	Is that good?
	Yeah, it was amped up too much at one point.
	All right, you want me to keep it there then?
	Yeah, keep it there.
	All right, kill them, Mike.
	One, John.
	Amen.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hanson.
	Hey, great to be back trying to keep this place rocking while Seb is enjoying a well-deserved vacation.
	I'm fantastically happy to be joined right now by Julie Kelly.
	She has a great book about the topic du jour, du week, du month, du year.
	January 6th, How Democrats Use the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right.
	I wish that wasn't true, Julie, but it's self-evident at this point, and I thank you for doing the work to put the book out.
	I hope you're enjoying the show trials as much as I am.
	But I think you mentioned a potential problem for all of the victims of this war on terror they launched, having a poisoned jury pool, because who hasn't heard the left's propaganda about this at this point?
	Who could actually say, honestly, they could give them a fair trial?
	Let her know, though. though.
	Let her know though.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Julie, I'm not, I'm getting a broken signal and we're getting it in at the studio.
	Is there, are you on a headphone or?
	No, no.
	Can you hear me now?
	That's much better.
	So back to, cause I don't think we got that at all, but what, what is the problem with this propaganda poisoning the jury pool?
	Well, there's already been a lot of evidence that the jurors are, we know they live in a city with that voted 93, 94% for Joe Biden.
	They take the events of January 6th very personally.
	It's almost impossible to find a juror in Washington, D.C.
	somehow not tied to the government, the business of government in the nation's capital.
	You've got six jury trials already that have returned all guilty verdicts on every single count for January 6th defendant in record time.
	Now, Jim, think of what happened in the Sussman trial.
	We had the exact opposite.
	But what's happening now, and defense attorneys and defendants are talking about this, is the committee's nonstop publicity blitz and how it's being covered by not just the networks, but local news in Washington.
	Right.
	Is further poisoning this already highly partisan jury pool that will make it, if it was virtually impossible, absolutely impossible for these defendants to get a fair trial in the nation's capital.
	And we have major high profile trials beginning in the fall.
	And this committee will continue more hearings and then, of course, release the report that it's threatening to release in September.
	Now, normally in a criminal trial or something like that, when something that deeply affects the people of the local area happens, the defendant can ask for the trial to be moved.
	Is that just not an option?
	Because I can't imagine anyone could claim the jury pools aren't tainted.
	Numerous defense attorneys have put together very compelling detailed motions asking judges to move their clients' trials out of Washington.
	Not only, you know, all of the hyperbolic coverage, but you have every major political figure from Joe Biden on down to local officials such as Muriel Bowser, who have called this a domestic terror attack, who have referred to these people as terrorists, insurrectionists, traitors, etc.
	And they also have a few surveys, actually, Jim, of people in D.C.
	with their views on January 6th.
	And it is so out of line with what the American people believe.
	I mean, you've got 70 percent of the people polled in Washington who said even if someone committed no violent crime, they should be convicted to the health that they are insurrectionists and they should be basically treated as traitors.
	Um, and so that is what these people are up against.
	And when you have these higher profile cases, the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, you've got the two men accused of spraying Officer Brian Sicknick with pepper spray.
	Those trials are all scheduled for the fall.
	And you could see this collision course.
	But you know what's really frustrating?
	These judges don't care.
	And they've denied every change of venue motion that's been presented to the D.C.
	District Court, completely ignoring what is this obvious conflict and collusion, quite frankly, between this committee and the Justice Department that we know is happening in plain sight because everyone's admitted it.
	So, I mean, it's not like anybody doesn't know, D.C.
	is a company town.
	You know, it's like trying people who poisoned the chocolate in Hershey, Pennsylvania.
	You know, you can't do it.
	Everybody's invested in this town, in the company business, which is government.
	And it's not the Liberty side of government, it's the Deep State side of government.
	So you're pulling a tainted jury pool to start with of people who could not treat this fairly, even if they hadn't heard an ounce of the media coverage.
	Then, as you said, you add Mayor Bowser, you add the non-stop drumbeat, and these are people whose job and livelihood requires them to stay up-to-date on this and who know all these things, whereas you move this to Madison, Wisconsin or Green Bay or someplace, and you're dealing with people who don't read Lentlessly watch every political issue.
	So is this an issue they can bring up on appeal if they don't get the change of venue?
	I don't know if they can bring it up on a change of venue denying those motions, but certainly it will factor into appeals of guilty verdicts.
	And I think that some of this data that is now available showing only residents of Washington, D.C.
	have prioritized viewing the committee hearings, say for example yesterday, Hopefully we'll be persuasive to some judge because it certainly is not the D.C. District Court judges, whether they're Trump appointees all the way down to Reagan appointees.
	They're all singing from the same hymn notes.
	They also view this as a terror attack.
	They are personally offended that deplorables from across the country dared to enter their sacred space of Washington, D.C.
	And this is reflected not just in the jury verdicts, but by many of the motions and comments made by these judges.
	Well, that is shamefully painful.
	I mean, I got to admit, I am enjoying the Salem witch hunt they're conducting here because, unfortunately, like Salem, they're not going to find any witches.
	And I guess, unfortunately, like Salem, they'll probably find some people guilty.
	You know, I think they're going to at least try.
	They'll indict probably Trump and a few other folks just so they can have the actual show trials as opposed to the hearings.
	But now, when you look at the fact that this is actually affecting people who are still in jail, still being treated as if they were terrorists, as opposed to people at a political rally who got out of hand, potentially, I think it's shameful.
	Is there anything, you know, is there anything we can do beyond bringing, you know, the shining light on this?
	I mean, at this point, there's not much people can do outside of, you know, this rigged Banana Republic-style legal and judicial system in Washington, D.C.
	You have DOJ, even as late as yesterday, Jim, arresting people almost 18 months later on low-level misdemeanor trespassing charges.
	This is a political purge, whether it's someone like Peter Navarro or Steve Bannon or Jeffrey Clark, the DOJ official who had his home raided by the FBI last week.
	Dr. John Eastman, who had his cell phone stolen by FBI agents as he was leaving a restaurant, neither man has been charged with a crime, don't even know what the crime would be.
	But in addition to the 850-plus Americans that this DOJ is rounding up every single week, you know, you have high-level Republican officials and advisors to the president who are ensnared in this political persecution.
	It's really something we've never seen.
	And the next step then, Jim, will be for the DOJ to circumvent the normal legal processes and obtain the transcripts of the thousand witnesses who have testified to this committee and a hundred and maybe all of the documents that they have obtained as well.
	Julie, we're going to keep an eye on this and we will obviously, Seb has you on and you'll be back to talk about this.
	Thanks very much.
	This is Jim Hanson.
	We're doing America First Radio.
	We're doing America First Radio.
	A ten second break?
	I gotta wait about five seconds to turn your mic on because of... just to make sure it's dead from... Gotcha.
	Um, are we... is she doing another segment or is it just that one?
	Um... Is she still on the line?
	I don't know.
	Jeff?
	She's still on the line.
	Okay.
	Unless you can stay for another segment, I'd love to talk a little more.
	Yeah, I can.
	Okay, let's do that.
	I got fascinated with what you were saying and I didn't get you to the commercial smoothly, so my apologies for that.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	No, I'd like to dig into some of the fact that they still consider this an ongoing thing and they still are trying to to embiggen it, you know, in a in a really disgraceful way.
	And I don't think they ever going to let go of it.
	And then I'd like to I'd like to talk a little bit about what are we going to do when we get power back to punish?
	You know, because I think that that's something we have to do.
	We have to make this hurt them for all the abuses they did.
	Yes.
	Good, because-- Absolutely.
	And that's, if there's one thing that drives me nuts about our team more than anything, it's the idea, well, no, we shouldn't sink to that level.
	We shouldn't do this.
	And by not doing it, they're embiggened, or they're empowered, you know, to do the bad things again, because nothing bad happened to them the other time, you know?
	Right.
	When no one paid any price for Russiagate, No one, you know, in these agencies and the political interests or the media, no one paid a price for that fraud.
	They were emboldened.
	And this is how we got here.
	And the Republicans are largely responsible for creating this monster.
	And I'm telling you, I don't think the base is going to tolerate Republicans taking the house, going, oh, let's move on.
	You know, we need to just move on.
	Voters want us to work together, blah, blah, blah.
	That's not going to fly.
	There will be no kumbaya or we will have a problem.
	I think that's pretty obvious from most of the people I've talked to.
	Everybody's sick of the rollover and play nice because we can't be the ones who are doing mean things.
	But again, the problem is leadership of our two houses has never been in the hands of anyone with the guts to act.
	It's the same reason crime's out of control in the cities.
	There's no consequences.
	It's no different than this year.
	Absolutely.
	If you don't show consequences, there are no consequences, there are no disincentives, and people act bad.
	Well, that's why you had Cassidy Hutchinson yesterday under oath.
	Telling these outlandish stories that we now know are getting debunked today, at least two of them.
	You know, you could say she committed perjury all she wants.
	She doesn't care.
	Liz Cheney doesn't care because they know that there will be no punishment.
	No one will charge her.
	She will face no criminal repercussions for lying under oath and lying to the American people.
	You've got, I mean, how can you do that when you've got Adam Schiff up there?
	You know, degenerate liar.
	Who got away with, what, four years of lying about Trump-Russia collusion?
	Well, I think there is our ways to make that flip back on him.
	And like you said, we gotta do it.
	So let's hit that.
	Thank you.
	America first.
	Can you believe it?
	They are saying that they don't agree with America First.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	Hey folks, it's Jim Hansen.
	I am sitting in Seb's chair, because he's sitting in a comfy chair somewhere north of D.C.
	in the good part of the country, hanging out with his family.
	But I have the pleasure to be on the phone with Julie Kelly, whose book, January 6th, How Democrats Use the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right, is a must-read.
	Buy it, read it, and you will know Things that will make you even madder than you probably already are.
	So Julie, we talked a little bit about how the jury pool for these people who are charged with these crimes, overcharged in most cases with these crimes, is a problem and the DC venue is a problem and all of that.
	But the left just doesn't seem to want to stop.
	They're still, as you mentioned, arresting more people.
	They're still rolling this thing forward.
	And I want to ask, what, when we get power, should we do to make them pay for it?
	Because if we don't make them pay, they'll just do this again.
	And I don't want this to happen to another American just because they happen to be in the political opposition.
	Well, if I were queen of the Capitol for a day, Jim... Voted, I'm in.
	Endorsed.
	Let's go there.
	The first thing I would do is cut off all funding to the U.S.
	Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia.
	This is the largest U.S.
	Attorney's Office in the country, and they act that way.
	There is no reason why these political trials cannot be handled in Washington, D.C.
	by prosecutors who live and work in the Beltway.
	who are overwhelmingly Democrat partisans, which is what we have in Matthew Graves, the head of this office right now.
	All political trials need to be moved either to D.C., Maryland, somewhere outside of the LA region, but that office needs to be completely shut down.
	It is a threat to the Republic.
	Shut it down, cut off all of its funding.
	Obviously, too, you need to look at the entire DOJ apparatus.
	Do we need all of these offices?
	They are asking for tens of millions of dollars in new revenue for next year to hire more prosecutors.
	For what?
	I mean, to your point, there's, you know, there's crime.
	Crime is running rampant in major cities.
	While the DOJ singularly fixated on a four hour disturbance that took place 18 months ago.
	Also, of course, the FBI needs to be completely disassembled.
	The top leadership needs to be routed.
	That budget, which is now $10 billion, if you can believe it, needs to be cut back severely, and it needs to go back to its core mission.
	That is not what it is doing.
	And so, that is where I would suggest to start.
	And then, House Republicans should form their own January 6th committee.
	They need to examine exactly what these bad actors have been doing, and quite frankly, Jim, get to the bottom of the actual truth of what happened on January 6th, which was an inside job concocted and orchestrated by the same people who brought us Russia collusion, same people who brought us the Whitmer FBI concocted kidnapping hoax.
	This is a massive scandal.
	The Republicans need to get the backbone to really tell the American people the truth, because it is Thank you.
	Fact.
	And I love your starting with the money, because the one power that a Republican Congress will have is the purse.
	So let's go ahead.
	Why would you give your enemies money to attack you with?
	It's obscene, absurd, and stupid.
	Now, the problem we have is gutless leaders.
	McConnell and McCarthy don't have enough spine between them to sit upright without the lobbyists who are holding them that way.
	So I think we need to have leadership challenges, I think, to get that done.
	But I love that.
	I love your idea of shutting down their, you know, their apparatus that they're using improperly, abusing to do this.
	Fantastic.
	So what's up next for you?
	You got the book out.
	And I know, you know, that that seems to be going pretty well.
	Do you have any more breaking reports or anything you could hit us with in the last minute?
	I mean, I'm just going to keep following this, following the facts where they go, as Mayor Garland says.
	But I think next I will be explaining to people why I believe this DOJ will criminally charge Donald Trump with either conspiracy or obstruction or both.
	And then, of course, following marquee show trials that are expected to start this fall, which the government does not want the trials to proceed because they will have to reveal all of the informants and undercover agents that were involved in these two Well, that I will look forward to because I think they, sometimes the dog catches the car and it's not happy.
	And I think they may be in that position now.
	Julie Kelly, get her January 6th book and read it because if you haven't read it, you're not angry enough.
	She did the work.
	It's all in there.
	This is Jim Hanson.
	We're doing America First Radio.
	We will be back after the break with more of the show trial of the century.
	We shouldn't be upset.
	Why do you think that?
	Yeah.
	Mic's back on.
	And she's, uh, she's gone.
	Oh, hang on.
	That's not Garrett.
	I told, hold on.
	Wait.
	Sorry.
	There we go.
	I don't want to if we're on the TV, but whatever.
	Okay.
	Sorry about that.
	I just want to get back to saying inappropriate things in the break to make the Rumble crowd happy.
	John, does it look like it's been changed or no?
	Can you tell?
	Don't worry about it.
	The thing is, the work she does is so good, but it's so infuriating to hear about it every single time.
	Like, what they're doing to these people.
	When I forget about it for a little while, I just go back and dig in because it's horrifying to know that they're getting away with this.
	Exactly, yeah, they're getting away with it and what are we going to do about it?
	I mean, we're kind of sitting here and like, I mean, we can talk about it all we want, but these are literal political prisoners in a country that's supposed to be in the bastion of freedom, you know?
	And I mean, I think the only things you can do is you've got to pardon them.
	And then at some point, I don't know how you go about paying reparations to political prisoners in this country, but you're stealing years of their lives for, in most cases, what was an assault that would have gotten not even a ticket.
	If you're Antifa or BLM.
	And we can't have that.
	Yeah, pardon them, but that's a big if, of course.
	That's assuming we manage to pull it off in 2024.
	What if they steal it again, and then there's no one to pardon them, and then they're in jail for another eight years?
	All right, now then we have to start talking about insurrection.
	See, now they'll cut.
	I want that clip out.
	What they'll do is they'll cut the rumble thing and they'll say, Jim Hansen said if they don't pardon them, we're going to have an insurrection.
	Cut.
	No, we won't have an insurrection, an actual one if that happens.
	But we will do some things that will make people suffer figuratively and literally in a legal sense.
	I miss the days when you could just toss around hyperbolic rhetoric and you didn't have to worry about potentially going to the gulag over it.
	You know?
	Yeah, I miss America, too.
	I'm not quite to missing America, but I miss the actual freedom that we had.
	And whether we end up in a breakup situation or not, I don't care.
	How long is this next segment?
	I should do it.
	This is nine minutes, right?
	No, eight minutes.
	Eight minutes.
	This is an eight minute segment.
	All right.
	Well, I'm going to follow on with what Julie was talking about, and then I'm going to do the job creators one.
	Job creators.
	Get that knocked out.
	Yep.
	Because I want jobs created.
	I'm all about creating jobs.
	We all like jobs.
	What is it?
	Rock the woke.
	Rock the woke dot com.
	So good.
	40 seconds.
	I forgot about that one.
	Every once in a while we come up with some good pithy stuff that I didn't do.
	Most of it's mine.
	30 seconds. 30 seconds.
	30 seconds. 30 seconds. 30 seconds. 30 seconds.
	On behalf of the Nugent family and all working hard, playing hard American families in the asset column, thank you for driving home truth, logic, and common sense every day.
	We are with you.
	America first.
	Magnificent.
	Oh, sweaty Uncle Teddy telling us what to do.
	It's always good to be here in Seb's chair talking America First with people who I know are willing to do what needs to be done.
	I want to talk to you about some things going on, though, in the universities.
	The woke crowd sees control of America's public school and universities.
	Now a minority of loud, woke voices are trying to take over America's corporations and businesses.
	From Disney to American Express, more companies are taking positions on political issues that they have no business taking.
	Positions that align with woke activists, but no one else.
	Not their customers, their shareholders, or the majority of their employees.
	It's why I'm excited to report that our friends at Job Creators Network are on the case.
	They're pushing back against the leftist cultural wars being fought by corporations.
	But they need your help fighting back.
	To learn what you can do, go to rockthewoke.com now to do your part.
	Disney and others have heard from Woke America.
	It's time they heard from the rest of us.
	Go to rockthewoke.com now.
	Don't let the woke crowd do to America's businesses what they did to our schools.
	Go to rockthewoke.com and help fund this fight.
	All right, we just had a couple great segments talking with Julie Kelly, who has done Yeoman's work, covering the plight of the people caught up in the left's, as she calls it, war on terror, and I scare quoted the terror, because it's not terror, but they figured out if they call it that, if they turn political protest that they don't like
	into domestic terrorism or extremism or tie it to those things, then they can use the state powers, the security state, and abuse those against people whose only reason to be in the crosshairs is having views that the left dislikes.
	And they've been highly successful doing it.
	Incredible!
	I mean, the things they've done just off of the January 6th, think of it, it's a three-hour riot that happened two and a half years ago, and they are still arresting people.
	They're still sending jackbooted thugs to kick in doors, grab people, and cuff and stuff them.
	Snatching people off airplanes.
	They're out of control.
	I mean, they're doing everything that totalitarian states and communist regimes have done, and they're doing it right here in America and they're getting away with it.
	That's really what we're at right now.
	We're at the point where I think enough of us have had enough of them and we're willing to fight back.
	Now, we're not going to fight back with an actual insurrection because we still have enough of our constitutional rights in hand to go ahead and do this the way the founders meant.
	And fortunately, we got some great rulings from the Supreme Court to show that the Constitution is not just that dusty old parchment stuck in the back of the archives that nobody reads anymore.
	Apparently five or six of those people up on the Supreme Court across from the Capitol are actually reading that thing.
	But what we need to do is we need to make sure that the political entities do not allow what has happened to the January 6th protesters to the political people who were just trying to get an answer about a highly flawed election.
	And make sure that all the people who abused the power of our security state to attack their political enemies pay a price.
	And it needs to be a price.
	I talked with Seb about it before and he said he's sick of hearings, he's sick of all the rest of this.
	He wants indictments.
	So do I.
	And I hope you do, too.
	And let's tell our elected representatives, and let's vote for people who will do stuff like that.
	Don't vote for rhinos.
	Vote for actual America First candidates who will hold our enemies Accountable.
	And I don't mind saying they're our enemies because they did it.
	I didn't want them to be our enemies.
	I am very much a live and let live kind of guy.
	Always have been.
	If you're not hurting me, you can do pretty much whatever you want as long as you're not hurting other people.
	If you start to do that, hurt me or hurt others, we'll have a problem.
	Well, I was just minding my own business, living my life, enjoying being an American, when all of a sudden, the woke left, the Biden-Obama regimes, the security state, the deep state, the permanent bureaucracy, all of these people with their media allies and the tech tyrants have decided they are going to run, essentially, a national conspiracy
	To shut down our ability to put our views out and have them fairly treated, and then even worse, to treat those views as crimes.
	To actually criminalize dissent.
	In the freest country in the history of this planet, we now have thought crimes, and hate crimes, and speech crimes, and political crimes.
	And as Julie mentioned, don't forget, we have a boatload of political prisoners right across the river from here in DC.
	That's a disgrace.
	That's intolerable, and let's not tolerate it.
	Now, I know elections are a sore spot.
	Doesn't matter.
	We're going to win a bunch.
	Everything is trending against them.
	They want to hope, oh, Roe v. Wade is going to push people our way.
	Oh, the gun thing.
	And, oh, look at these show trials showing how bad Trump is.
	We don't want any more Republicans.
	We're going to crush them this fall.
	And I need you to not just believe that, but to be evangelists for that idea.
	Because we have to win the turnout war.
	We have to get everybody who doesn't want to live in a police state where their views can be criminalized and you can be thrown in jail.
	Because of what you believe the left doesn't like, we need every one of those people to come out and vote for freedom and liberty.
	And once we've got those kind of candidates in office, we need them to act.
	I want the money cut off.
	I want indictments.
	I want Laws change so we can move trials to where they need to go.
	Whatever you need to do, use your damn power and quit being such spineless jellyfish that we put you in office and you turn into Democrat light.
	That ain't good enough.
	We're not going to put up with it anymore.
	We deserve action.
	Give it to us or pay the price.
	This is Jim Hansen, sitting in for Seb.
	We're doing America First Radio, and we will be back.
	Top of the hour, we'll be talking to my good buddy Kurt Schlichter.
	Be there.
	Oh, the mics are dead.
	Did I sound angry enough?
	Ha ha ha ha.
	It's funny I've watched when I when I go back and look at these like from a couple times before I was like I sound way too calm and reasonable and and all that I'm like I don't know what it is because I'm trying to I'm trying to make a point you know and and debate the correct thing and do all of that and all of a sudden I don't sound as as angry as I think I should as you know lively so Ah, good, because that's what I was aiming for.
	It's funny.
	I feel like I want to convince the audience of what the right idea is on some of this stuff.
	And consequently, I'm doing so in a much too, well, Professor Jim is here today, and he will talk to us in his, you know, British driving cap.
	Okay.
	That was especially in the aftermath of the primaries last night.
	You had a handful.
	You had Lauren Boebert beat back her Rhino challenger.
	You had... Crushed him.
	Yeah.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And Mary Miller also in Illinois.
	She was endorsed by Trump and because she got put in another district with another incumbent, Rodney Davis, two Republicans, and Davis voted for creating the J6 Commission.
	So she campaigned heavily on that.
	And with Trump's endorsement, she won.
	So yeah, Trump had a good night last night.
	He won like 12-0, I think, in his endorsements.
	Nice.
	And every one of them is going to be a fighter.
	Oh yeah.
	They were trying to do to Boebert what ended up happening to Cawthorn, but that ended up not being the case at all.
	Cawthorn kind of helped him see himself.
	I love the guy.
	I had him over at the house at one point and got a chance to sit down and talk with him.
	He's a really nice, wonderful dude.
	He's got some people around him and he's a young, wild guy.
	He's too young.
	No one's ready to be a congressman that age.
	Except for Ben Shapiro maybe.
	Ben Shapiro's not human though.
	Ben Shapiro is some sort of alien.
	That's just it.
	This is what's gonna happen, I've said before, when these younger generations inevitably do get older, the Zoomers and Millennials, and are running for office, and they grew up on Snapchat, TikTok, and everything, all their dirty laundry is gonna be out there on social media, and the standard for what shocks us as political scandal will go way down.
	Nah, that's true, you know, and it's funny.
	If those had existed when I was young, oh my god.
	I did things that I've never seen on any of this.
	Hey, I'm going to pimp my book opening of this segment because I was right about everything.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	It's Jim Hansen.
	Hey folks, glad to be back.
	We've been talking a lot about the abuse of state power and the problems we have right now in this country.
	And I hate to be right, but it is my cross to bear.
	I wrote about all this last year, actually even earlier than that.
	I wrote more than a year and a half ago about how this has been brewing, how it happened, and what we need to do about it in my book, Winning the Second Civil War Without Firing a Shot.
	It talks about how over the years the left conducted their fundamental transformation from our known constitutional republic where liberty reigns supreme into the woke crap hole they're trying to turn the country into.
	And they did it by taking over academia and the permanent bureaucracy of government and our media outlets and information space.
	So now we need to take those back.
	And part of it is tribalism.
	Part of it is using federalism to, you know, create strongholds in states like Florida and Texas and Tennessee and places where enough of us are living, that we can go ahead and use the power of the Constitution to live the way we want to.
	But part of it is also taking back the swamp on the other side of the river from where I'm sitting right now.
	And we got to do that both in the short term and we need to thank our lucky stars that Trump beat Hillary Clinton, because if he had not appointed those three justices to the Supreme Court,
	can you imagine the rulings we would have gotten on abortion and gun can you imagine the rulings we would have gotten on abortion and gun rights and invented ones on free speech if Hillary Clinton had put three Sotomayor Elena Kagan clones on the Supreme Court with their editing pens ready to just white out all of the freedoms
	And put some good old-fashioned thought policing, state control, hate speeches, is not covered, guns are evil except for muskets, they would have done it.
	They're shameless.
	They tried to do it, you know, even without the Supreme Court.
	They tried to do all their tricks.
	Fortunately, they stopped short of packing the court, you know, but they'll be back around with it.
	They're already talking about it again.
	So grab my book, too.
	Go ahead and find out what you can and should be doing.
	But I'm going to be honest, it's not rocket surgery.
	Get out to vote.
	Get your friends out to vote.
	Get activated.
	Get to the school board meetings.
	Get to the city council meetings.
	Get to your backyard barbecues and don't worry about what anybody else says about you because they're already going to call you names.
	They know what you believe and now it's time to be proud of it because our side is winning.
	Okay, those victories in the Supreme Court were hard fought and won based on a lot of work by a lot of people over the years.
	Now everybody needs to pile on because the Constitution's on our side, but only if we force them to play by those rules.
	And that's going to take work from all of us.
	You guys are part of that.
	If you're listening to this radio show, you already are.
	Tell friends and bring them to the fight.
	This is Jim Hansen.
	We are having a lively day here doing America First Radio, and we'll be back after the break with the savage beast himself, Kurt Schlichter.
	I don't know.
	I'm going to have some mic mics. - Keep the energy level up.
	All right, so we got Kurt for two segments, right?
	We have to.
	He talks too much to have him for just one.
	You'll like this, Jim.
	Azura187 in the chat says, I wonder why Jim Hansen doesn't run.
	Because oppo research is a real thing.
	All right, all right.
	I would be a horrible congressperson.
	Horrible by the political establishment standards?
	Because that sounds pretty good to me.
	Because what can you do?
	All I can do is cause trouble.
	And you can't really make anything out of it.
	I'm not willing to spend the time to actually stay there long enough to do it.
	We're starting to do a lot more work making sure we get better people in.
	So we moved out of national security and foreign policy as our main focus for the past couple decades.
	Now we're working mostly on domestic issues.
	We're doing information warfare in support of our team.
	So Azure, you'll see actions from us that you may or may know are us that help our team.
	Exactly.
	That expose their team, that show what they're doing, and that give our guys and gals and everybody, you know, a kind of a bump.
	So you'll never see me in Congress unless I'm visiting to hassle somebody.
	Well, especially this year, more so than I think in any midterm election season in recent memory, is to emphasize how important primaries really are.
	How many incumbents now have lost primary battles on both sides?
	And they always say, oh, incumbency is a life ticket.
	Well, no.
	Definitely not.
	How about it's not anymore?
	And how about if you show that you're a spineless jellyfish rhino weasel, We're going to come for you.
	And we're ascendant.
	That's who is coming.
	The people are rising.
	The America First crowd is ascendant and not going to be stopped.
	It's inevitable, yeah.
	McCarthy may survive and be the leader next time.
	But it's going to be ugly.
	He has to work with the America First crowd and he knows that.
	If he survives, and I hope he doesn't, and we'll do everything we can to help him lose, but if he is there and he gets the gavel, he'll know that his grip on that is only as steady as we allow it to be.
	And that's a fact.
	And I think every term we have put more America First candidates in.
	And we've got to keep it up.
	And these days, too, you see the left just going nuts over the fact that Trump, admittedly, this year has had more primary losses than like, like he, over the course of five years from 17 to 2021, he had only five primary losses across five years, which is really good.
	And then this year alone, so far, he's had nine, but like half of those were in Georgia alone.
	Like, obviously, yeah, his candidates took some beatings in Georgia, but that, I was talking with a buddy about this, and he said, Well, some of the problems there is they were going up against the state party apparatus in Georgia with, like, little funding or the infrastructure they needed to mount, like, like, Purdue and the rest of them.
	They just did not have the money or the backing needed to beat well-funded machines like Kemp and Raffensperger.
	And that's not to say that they hate Trump in Georgia.
	They obviously, they still love Trump.
	It's just...
	They like their incumbents there, and there's a lot of factors at play here, but of course Democrats are like, oh, this means Trump's power is obviously fading, which is not true at all.
	No, it also means he's taking more risks attacking people, and even if you don't win, so what?
	Yeah, you know how many people he's endorsed against incumbents?
	Yeah.
	And half of them have won, too.
	Yeah, and that's just it.
	That's what they're not taking into account by, you know, spinning it the wrong way.
	Dr. Oz wouldn't have gotten 10%.
	He never would have.
	J.D.
	Vance would not have won.
	J.D.
	Vance wouldn't have won either.
	Ted Budd, yeah, exactly.
	How many people his endorsements have carried over the finish line flawlessly?
	And that is going to continue, you know.
	I think Trump is a large driving factor, but so is just the fact now that normal people, people who were never part of the MAGA movement when Trump was in office, have now actually seen the damage that life under Democrat rule does to the country and to them personally.
	Now they're willing to do something.
	That's before he lunged at a Secret Service agent.
	That just showed his power.
	Tried to commit grand theft auto using the presidential limo.
	You know, I think the funny thing, they're like, oh, Trump can't drink water.
	Trump can't walk up an inclined ramp.
	But Trump can choke out a Secret Service agent and take over his limo?
	Couldn't a Hollywood producer come up with a more believable story?
	It's the dumbest thing I've heard ever.
	Uh, it's, uh, the problem is Miss Cassidy didn't get the gig she wanted post-administration, and she's unhappy about it.
	And, you know, that makes her a useful tool to the left, and they're good at that.
	She'll be on CNN within three months.
	Yeah, how many of these people are, like, disgruntled at people that wanted a job?
	Like, again, Romney.
	Look at Romney.
	He wanted to be Secretary of State so badly, Trump humiliated him and took that infamous photo, and now look what he's doing.
	Like, how many of these people were begging Trump for jobs before Sunday?
	It's like, yeah.
	Oh, we've got Kurt.
	Oh, we've got him on the line.
	One minute, 45 seconds to air.
	Hey, playa.
	What's up, brother?
	What's worse?
	Republicans lunging or Republicans pouncing?
	Hey, is that your book behind you?
	Yeah, subtle, huh?
	Nicely done.
	No, but it's got a little shine on it.
	Can you fix it?
	The other one does.
	Now you made that one shine too.
	Take that one back to where it was.
	Are you fucking kidding me?
	There, that's perfect.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	What? 20 seconds. 20 seconds.
	20 seconds.
	Hey folks, it is Jim Hansen, and we got ELP playing Carnival 9.
	Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends.
	But right now, we're gonna amp this up a bit and bring the pain by bringing in Kurt Schlichter, who is author of the new book just coming out called We'll Be Back, The Fall and Rise of America, which you can see on either side of his head in that well-framed shot.
	Kurt?
	Nice.
	How you doing, brother?
	I'm ready to bring the pain to those who keep us in chain.
	That's a good slogan.
	All right.
	Now, I saw you mentioned where we need to hold counter hearings or follow on hearings once we take control again of the January 6th commission, this, you know, show trial kangaroo court propaganda fest the left is running.
	But you had a great twist.
	Don't do it in DC.
	No, don't do it in D.C.
	D.C.
	is 95% rabid Democrats.
	They will never convict a liberal for perjury.
	So don't let them commit the perjury in D.C.
	Anyway, the American people need to see the truth about this ridiculous circular Jeffrey Toobin fest.
	So we need to hold them outside in America.
	I'm thinking Texas.
	I like Texas.
	Can we do like a bus tour?
	What if we had the Jan 6 impeachment bus tour?
	Exactly!
	Go to great venues out in America and compel the testimony there.
	Because if you testify in D.C., well, you've got to get charged in D.C.
	if you commit perjury.
	But if you commit perjury in, say, Texas, well, that makes it a little harder.
	to convince the jury to let you go despite overwhelming evidence.
	So maybe that will focus their minds correctly.
	But, of course, the Republicans, being stupid, will no doubt do whatever screws up the whole plan best, which is do it in D.C.
	That's kind of our job.
	Our job is to hold their feet to the fire, put the fear of God in them, you know, to remind them that in this game, we're no longer going to tolerate that spineless behavior.
	So we task them now with cutting off funding to organizations that are doing us harm.
	To stopping prosecutions, to granting pardons, changing laws.
	I don't care what you do.
	Unscrew this in every way or face our wrath.
	Well, look, if you're checking out my book, We'll Be Back, The Fall and Rise of America.
	Wait, there's two of them!
	They're all around me!
	They're everywhere!
	Look, there is a game plan.
	As you know, because you have blurbed it, your blurb being distinctive, let's just say.
	Yeah, well.
	One of the game plans is, you know, January 2019, or 2025, 19, God, how old am I?
	2025, President X, might be President Trump 2.0, might be President DeSantis, won't be President Haley, not over my dead body, will, should come in and within five minutes after finishing the oath, sign pardons for everybody convicted January 6th stuff to demonstrate, not that they were great people necessarily, you know, getting in brawls with cops and stuff, but that we're not having two systems of justice.
	If the Democrats establish you can brawl with cops in a political protest without getting punished, fine.
	That's the standard.
	One standard Enforced with the power of pardon.
	And don't hide from it.
	Come out and say, I am pardoning them because the Democrats would only prosecute conservatives, and progressives would commit actual crimes, much worse than this minor fracas, and not be prosecuted at all.
	You got a choice.
	Everybody gets the same standard, everybody held accountable equally, or nobody is.
	Hey, I got an idea.
	And just because we're in the business of making liberal and leftist heads explode, let's pay reparations, and let's call it that.
	Let's pay reparations to all the people who've had their lives stolen.
	That's the second thing.
	I would settle the lawsuits of the people whose rights have been violated, up to and including the right to a speedy trial, because there are people from 18 months ago who've been sitting in prison and have not had their trial, and judges are just signing off on it.
	And it's an outrage.
	And I would pay them millions of dollars in compensation for this violation of civil rights, and I would not hide it.
	I would say, look, we're holding the government accountable.
	The Department of Justice is going to apologize.
	And Department of Justice is going to apologize.
	Oh, and we're firing everybody, GS4 and up at the FBI.
	Hey, Julie Kelly had a great idea to either defund or shut down the D.C. attack.
	Attorney.
	Why don't we take that money, and there's your fund, there's your reparations fund, and we'll also use that to prosecute those who abuse their state power, both surveilling, charging, and imprisoning American political prisoners.
	Well, look, the stuff that's been going on, like the molestation of John Eastman for having a legal opinion liberals didn't like.
	Understand what they're saying.
	Your lawyer can be prosecuted for suggesting a course of action that liberals don't like.
	Okay?
	You don't arrest somebody for that.
	You go to court on his theory, and it either works or it doesn't.
	You know, a judge says that's stupid.
	I'm denying your motion.
	That's the old days.
	That's not how kangaroo courts work.
	I'm granting your motion.
	Right.
	And that's a lawyer's job.
	I don't want to tell you about how to lawyer you being a lawyer and me not.
	And now that you've dropped off, I started lawyering and Kurt dropped off.
	But kind of the point of a lawyer's job is to come up with every single way, every wild, crazy idea that is possible for your client to prevail and to put those into play.
	And like you said, let the justice system, let the judges and jury decide.
	That's how our system's supposed to work.
	We could go back to that, huh?
	Well, that would be nice.
	Now, you understand, it's mandatory for an attorney to come up with crazy ideas.
	Well, not necessarily crazy ideas, but to try anything to zealously defend their client.
	and his interests.
	That is, that's like even in California, when I am your attorney, and I may or may not have acted as your attorney in the past, my job is to aggressively seek any argument that I can make that may support your position.
	I don't get to choose whether your position is right or wrong.
	That's for a judge.
	My job is to advocate.
	And they want to arrest advocates.
	Why do they want to do that, Jim?
	They want to arrest advocates who protect the interests of people.
	They want to keep people from being able to speak freely.
	They want to keep them from being able to assemble.
	They want to limit their ability to publish their opinions.
	Gosh, it's almost like they had no faith in their garbage ideology and wanted to shut everybody else up because that's all they could do. - Well, it's criminalizing dissent and obviously, you know, having representation for the people who they've falsely accused or intimidated or overcharged or all of the above in these situations, if they get adequate representation, that throws the whole thing off because their attorneys will if they get adequate representation, that throws the whole thing off because their attorneys will tell them, "You know, you're not
	You didn't do anything wrong, but you had, they have to tell them.
	And these people listen to it and say, you're facing several decades for the trumped up charges for your wearing Trump gear while trespassing.
	And so people are taking pleas for things where they should actually be going to court if they weren't in DC, you know, and getting a fair trial and being acquitted.
	Yes.
	I mean, look what happened when the FBI took people to trial to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer.
	It turned out it's a bunch of malcontents that the FBI basically grabbed their paws and walked them through how to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer.
	And the jury was like, no, no, this isn't what you're supposed to do, which is exactly what a jury is supposed to do.
	It's supposed to tell the government, no.
	That's why we have juries in criminal cases.
	But when you have a jury, they'll rubber stamp everything and you have judges that will not aggressively enforce the law.
	Look, if it was Judge Schlichter, after I finished dismissing a bunch of charges, I would look at the government and I would say, you know, I read in the paper yesterday that a couple of people who firebombed a cop car are getting a sweetheart plea deal in New York.
	I don't understand why you're asking me to put, you know, Horn Helmet guy in the can for five years and you're giving these guys a walk.
	Seems like weird because they agree with your president.
	So here's what I'm going to do.
	I'm going to order you to show cause why I shouldn't dismiss the charges against this guy because you guys are selectively prosecuted.
	So you come in, make your case, convince me that's not what you're doing.
	See you here at nine on Thursday.
	You know, I like the idea.
	We're going to make Julie Kelly Queen of the Capitol for a little bit, and she had some great ideas there.
	I would love to see some cases tried in front of Judge Slichter.
	Well, we're going to be back after the break to talk a little bit more, because there was so much entertainment value from the legal perspective in the show trials, and I want to get your view on just how well that's going for our friends on the woke left.
	This is Jim Hanson.
	We're doing America First Radio, and we'll be back after the break.
	We'll be back after the break.
	Right on.
	Dude, I love this setup so much better than when you were sitting at your desk with the blinds behind you.
	You used to kill me, man.
	This looks so pro, man.
	It's beautiful.
	Is that your suit from the wedding?
	Have you seen this jacket before?
	Oh, my God.
	Can you show the back of it without ruining the whole thing?
	Hold on.
	Let's see.
	There you go.
	Okay, so you got to tell the story though, because there's people on Rumble listening.
	So this was Tom Sauer, great guy, good friend of ours.
	So I go to Sauer's wedding, and he dresses me up in this.
	Now, this jacket, nice jacket!
	Beautiful.
	Very well made.
	It's just, you know, not a great color for court, but it looks terrific on camera.
	Yeah.
	It's got that sharkskin kind of mafia look.
	It's dapper.
	The dapper's on.
	I'm walking over between hotels to go see Larry O'Connor's burn a cigar near the pool.
	And I'm on the phone.
	It's dark.
	And I'm with Irina.
	And I want to emphasize, I was not intoxicated.
	I had sipped a bit of the grape, but I wasn't, like, hammered.
	And I go, I'm going to sit on this concrete bench and finish my call to Larry.
	Maybe look at the ocean a little, because it's right there.
	I sit on the bench.
	It's not a bench.
	It's a foot.
	And it collapses under the weight of my muscular frame.
	And I go tumbling ass over elbows into a freaking rosebud.
	And it slices up my jacket, my $1,800 jacket that I have, as you could see.
	And I slice my ear.
	I now have a scar on my ear.
	I was Scarface, now I'm Scarlow.
	You need a story for that.
	It's got to be some sort of knife fight in the inner city.
	You were walking through South Central or something.
	We'll make something up.
	Oh my gosh, if people will not stop calling me, I will hunt them down.
	I thought you had to lock the dogs away.
	Well, no.
	This fighty is being very good.
	He really is.
	He's not fighty.
	Yeah, no.
	He's a very good creature.
	He's so much nicer than you paint him out to be with him.
	That one picture you had of him, though?
	It's a sheep.
	Stop misgendering my dog.
	Did I misgender your dog?
	You misgendered my dog.
	Well, they... She's gonna sue you for sexual harassment.
	...didn't bite me.
	I'm always happy... Look at it!
	Look at it!
	It's mortified!
	You've deadnamed my dog!
	Oh, my.
	I would feel bad, but I don't actually care.
	I know you don't.
	And I'm always happy when small dogs like that just don't bite me.
	You know?
	Especially the ones named Biting.
	Oh, my gosh.
	It's adorable.
	Look at this.
	Doing the rabbit paws thing, man.
	I know, right?
	It's amazing.
	What the heck is going on?
	She's just looking for the camera.
	Dude, you don't have a treat?
	I do not have a treat.
	I know you got a treat for me for this.
	Dog's going, I want a cut.
	Yeah, you're going to be on the hook for a steak meal.
	I got news for you, doggie.
	There is no cut.
	I know what to say, thanks.
	All right, well, let's jump in and let's talk about the show trial.
	Let's talk about the show.
	Can't handle the truth?
	Is reality just too much?
	There's always NPR.
	I hear they have tote bags.
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	Well, I may not be Sebastian Gorka, but I definitely believe in America first, and I love culturally appropriating bumper music from groups like Rage Against the Machine with Guerrilla Radio, because it fits our guest Kurt Schlichter, author of We'll Be Back, The Fall and Rise of America, a guide to how to take back this country, which I have read, blurbed, and wholeheartedly believe you should buy.
	Kurt, I want to talk about the show trial of the century, Invented insurrection propaganda fest happening in my town here that I think it's going great.
	I can't imagine how the Dems and the Rhino traders could be any less thrilled with the fact that their witnesses can barely get their testimony out and the mainstream media stories out before they're exposed as lies.
	I find that thrilling.
	Well, look, normally under cross-examination, You would bring these out at the time.
	But, of course, there's no actual Republicans there to cross-examine the witness and to test her knowledge.
	So, of course, we do that ourselves, which is great.
	This is doing what Andrew Breitbart said, do the job the media should do but won't.
	And we're doing it.
	Within hours, you know, it was public knowledge that the Secret Service was like, no, President Trump did not lunge at us and try to, like, you know, Do a Yui, get all Dukes of Hazzard, driving the Escalade up to the Capitol to do something about something.
	There's your bombshell, your hearsay bombshell.
	And then, of course, they move to the next target.
	And that didn't work either, because it turns out that, what, Miss Cassidy.
	And I got to, again, I am really tired.
	That is kind of lame.
	giving their girls Irish last names as first names.
	That is kind of lame.
	And the best part about her.
	Oh, Sullivan.
	Oh, Brian.
	Well, she comes on, obviously doing a good job of hiding her.
	She was hiding her disgruntledness at not getting the cushy job she wanted after the administration.
	And all of a sudden, she's this wonderfully good witness.
	And not only is she lying about the whole Trump turning into the Hulk and taking over the beast, but then she claimed to have written this handwritten note that Liz Cheney holds up.
	I hold in my hands a handwritten note telling Trump to do the right thing.
	And she's like, I wrote that!
	until the lawyer who actually wrote it and everybody else in the room says, she didn't write that.
	I wrote that.
	I mean, how, how do you not prepare?
	Do they just assume that the media will get there, get away with their lies and that's it.
	And they don't have to tell the truth.
	Well, remember Liz Cheney is a dumb, dumb person.
	We have to say, you know, her father, we have this impression that he's this like Machiavellian, uh, super villain with a, uh, A cat on his lap, as opposed to a dog on his lap, which, of course, we know is the world of Ben.
	And we think, you know, he's a genius, maybe an evil genius, but a genius.
	She's not a genius.
	She's dumb.
	Here's how dumb she is.
	She's a Republican who's going to manage to lose the congressional seat in Wyoming.
	How do you do that?
	Jeffrey Truman's going, I'm not the biggest idiot in the world.
	I just want the camera on.
	There's her!
	All right, so we're back at their faux Salem witch trials, and one thing I think is interesting is they've brought back fake but accurate, because they're actually defending Cassidy Hutchinson today.
	They're saying, okay, yeah, there may be some secret agents that say this is wrong and that's wrong, but the bottom line is what she's saying is essentially real and true, and Trump was trying to take over the country because Like Dan Rather did when he was trying to lie about George W. Bush during those days.
	It doesn't matter if I make fake documents to bolster my case.
	It's still accurate.
	And I think they brought that standard back for these trials or for these hearings.
	Remember, there's a special standard of play called the Trump exception.
	We've seen the Trump exception to the hearsay rule.
	We're seeing Trump exception to due process.
	Trump is such a danger to the norms that we must protect, that we must get rid of these norms, because they don't allow us to protect you from Donald Trump.
	So the norms must be eliminated to protect the norms.
	We must burn the village to save it.
	Like I said, Liz Cheney is a dumb, dumb person.
	Okay?
	The Beltway cowgirl.
	She is not smart.
	She is not articulate.
	She's dumb.
	And she's been doing dumb things, and she looks like an idiot, and if not for Adam Kinzinger, she'd be the biggest idiot on that panel.
	You know, the fun thing was, right after Roe v. Wade came out, because, all right, what is Liz changing?
	Like you said, she manages to lose what is absolutely the safest seat in America for a Republican.
	She's going to lose that badly.
	And then in order to make sure she's considered a complete idiot by her new team, which she's joined, whether it's CNN or MSNBC, we don't know yet.
	But she goes ahead and supports the Roe v. Wade decision and says, oh, this is a great decision.
	So now she's hated by both the left and the right.
	And I hope she can fly fish like her dad does, because she's going to need a hobby.
	I don't think she's going to have anyone willing to listen to her after this.
	Well, she sure shouldn't go hunting with him.
	Look, I mean, that's the thing.
	You look at these saps.
	Look at Kinzinger.
	I can't see him.
	He's got to get on his booster seat.
	That crying little weenie, he made friends with the Democrats, and they pat him on his little noggin, and then they promptly eliminated his house seat in revenge for him.
	So, not only does he make all his people hate him for betraying them, the people he betrayed them to publicly humiliated him.
	They came up on stage and gave him a giant wedgie.
	He could go right for the cuck shed now.
	Would be his only real option.
	He's in a cuck condo.
	Bill Crystal will hire him or Jonah Goldberg or one of those weasels.
	They might not because he's actually not very bright either.
	He's another one, you know, like you said.
	Somebody asked me the other day when these cruise ship ahoy weenies Decided that they didn't like Roe vs. Wade anymore.
	Because for a long time, they were saying, you know, if you send us money and attend our cruise, we're having Ramesh Anunu.
	And, you know, Jonathan Lass will be discussing the prospects for overturning Roe vs. Wade on the Lego deck.
	Be sure to grab a Zima and sit on down.
	And allow their wisdom to flow over you.
	What's the date where you decided, nah, I really don't think turning Rovers this way is a good idea?
	You did have a turnaround, because if you didn't, you were lying to us from the beginning.
	I mean, I assume they're lying to us now.
	They're just the worst.
	Well, and I think you've nailed it because it was never about principles or actual ideology with them.
	It's always been about fundraising to maintain the minimal amount of power they had and their place in the DC society.
	You know, they were perfect.
	It's like a moderately attractive young man on a cell block.
	You know, he's kind of happy to be in the position where he's not being abused every day.
	He's like, I'll go with that.
	Gets to pick his date for the week.
	Well, folks, this has been a wonderful session with one of our lawyers du jour, Kurt Schlichter, whose book you can see on either side of his good-looking melon above his beautiful jacket, and you should buy.
	We'll be back, The Fall and Rise of America, and we'll be back after the break to talk about the staging of this show trial that is making Vlad Putin jealous from the old days of the Soviet Union, for the quality of the work done by Pelosi and crew.
	This is Jim Hansen.
	We're doing America first radio and we'll be back after the break.
	Always throws me off too, man.
	I can see your eyes going, are we still there?
	Yeah, I know.
	And of course, everyone's texting me.
	Right.
	Eh, it works better that way.
	They're texting you good ideas.
	It's like you texting Larry O'Connor jokes at CPAC.
	Well, wait, I do want to tell my kid no, because he wants me to pick him up from summer school.
	Nah, you're gonna walk!
	There you go.
	It's L.A.
	Nobody walks in L.A.
	Ah, thank you.
	Those kids don't even know that music anymore.
	Isn't that sad?
	Lord, I've now disappeared.
	Yeah, you went away.
	Hold on.
	I'm back.
	There I am.
	I'm here.
	Hold on.
	There I go.
	I should be showing up.
	You're somewhere.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I'm everywhere.
	I think you're better as an egg.
	There you go.
	You're better as an egg.
	Well, dude, that was fun.
	Hey, Jeff, did Amanda, is Amanda showing up?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Amanda, I was just talking to her the other day.
	Uh, she's gotta come to your party.
	Your influencer party.
	Yeah, so does Irena.
	She left Paris 27 hours ago.
	She's still at Newark.
	Yeah, no, I, I, she refuses to miss a party with Sam.
	So you're, you're just another reason.
	So does arena.
	I know.
	She left Paris 27 hours ago.
	She's still at Newark.
	Oh, Oh boy.
	She made the flight arrangements.
	Oh dude, you're going to, you're going to pay for that.
	Hey, I told her that's the best flight I could get.
	If you don't want it, I'll get something else.
	No, that's okay.
	Oh, she's gonna make you pay for that, though.
	It doesn't matter whether she agreed to it.
	I already paid for it.
	No, no, no, pay.
	You haven't paid.
	Money is nothing.
	Suffering is everything.
	Well, look at it this way, though, because at the party, there will be a girls' party.
	Sam got the other upstairs room, her design room, ready, too.
	They're not gonna come downstairs the whole time.
	So once the party starts, they'll disappear and we can smoke cigars and cause trouble.
	And talk bad about the cruise ship, guys.
	I still have my hat from last night.
	Dude, like I said, I've got a dozen hats.
	You gotta wear them.
	It's gonna be amazing.
	Right on.
	Alright, brother.
	Well, thank you, as always.
	I gotta greet Amanda and get ready to talk filmmaking.
	Alright, you go do your thing.
	Peace out.
	All right, 90 seconds.
	She's here.
	We're just getting her mic'd up and then she'll be coming into the studio.
	There we go.
	All right.
	10, 5, 1, 11, 12.
	Is that how you count?
	She's like, count for me.
	10, 5, 1, 11, 12.
	Is that how you count?
	Count for me. 65, 11, 6.
	Nonconformist, that's what you are.
	Thank you.
	Alright, 55 seconds.
	My stomach got freezing.
	You want me to build a fire?
	Hey John, can you come in here when you get a chance?
	Like I was almost about to wear sweats because it's like the, not, I mean on the bottom.
	No, now we get legs too.
	Now we got the leg chair.
	Alright, let's go.
	Thanks for coming in, though.
	Thank you.
	News and talk radio is still really popular, even in the Internet age.
	What you are about to hear them say is mind-boggling.
	Here's looking at you, Snowflake.
	America first.
	We're on?
	Hey folks, it's Jim Hanson.
	I am sitting here in studio, oblivious to the fact that we just went live, because I was talking to my good friend, amazing filmmaker, and one of the most culturally elite members of the America First crowd, Amanda Milius.
	Welcome!
	Thank you!
	I'm so glad to be on in the new spot.
	Isn't this cool?
	This is crazy!
	It's like a late-night TV show.
	It is the coolest thing, I know.
	No, I almost am, like, not, like, worthy.
	I'm, like, like I said, I almost wore sweats.
	Good thing.
	I know.
	You got to do the... On the bottom.
	You have to have the top.
	Yeah, I'm used to just being able to pull it together on the top and then everything else is like yoga pants and I'm like, maybe I'll get dressed today.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, we did it and we're, uh, we're on the late night TV talk thing.
	Now I want to talk kind of production value because I don't know if you notice there is a giant show trial propaganda fest for the invented insurrection going on.
	That was pretty, I mean, yesterday was, there's some really good memes created out of yesterday.
	Like if a day creates good memes, it's a good day.
	Cause the left can't meme.
	So, you know, it's us, it's our team winning.
	Yeah, there was this one where, like, I think they had, like, uh, shots from one of those, like, like, White House Down or something movies, or like, and then they, like, they had, I mean, it was so... Oh, with the beast spitting doughnuts and driving across.
	He's going over the grass!
	Like, it's like, that's basically what she was describing.
	I mean, it was absolutely insane.
	And good on them.
	But I want to kind of get into your area of expertise because the left decided when they were going to have these show trials that they were going to hire a TV news executive to stage them so that they were super cool.
	It tells you a lot.
	And then you've got like Zelensky going on like every, like meeting with every celebrity he possibly can.
	You're like, man, this guy's got a lot of time on his hands.
	Cause like, I'm just trying to run a production company, like not run a war.
	Like I don't even have time to do that.
	Like, that's amazing.
	Well I want you to rate so far what you think the the quality of the show trial has been from a production value.
	I mean because it's been a train wreck from a criminal perspective.
	I mean yeah from a legal perspective and from just a sanity perspective it's a total joke but um I think uh Production value wise graphics, you know really helped explain the layout of the West Wing made it seem a little larger than I recall I love that they had to show like the purse like to make her relevant They were like her office was like right here.
	So she could have like she heard things and you're like I there were people who were like like their office was like to sit on someone else's desk with like a laptop on their hands like it's like the west wing was like not like like whatever i i Man, at least she got her makeup done that day.
	That was nice.
	She did a good job with that.
	Her makeup gets an A?
	Yeah, I'd say she got an A on the makeup.
	An F on truth-telling.
	The jewelry was minimal.
	I was like, that was nice.
	You know, I don't know why she kept laughing, like, through the whole thing.
	It was a little bit, she seemed a little too excited.
	Isn't that a sign of fear?
	Or just like, I'm in the middle of everything.
	It all depends on me.
	It's a little bit attention-seeking.
	I mean, some of these, again, I've come to almost a place of peace with how many terrible appointees we had in that administration.
	I think I said yesterday, I was like, wow, she's like the Miles Taylor of the J6 committee, which is what she reminds me of.
	Where she's like, I was there for all the most important decisions.
	And you're like, God, you and everybody else I've ever talked to.
	It's just, yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.
	It's sad.
	I mean, that's what these people have come down to.
	And then there was that thing where it's, oh, she wanted a job at Mar-a-Lago and all this.
	I mean, there is that crowd of people that have flown, have flocked to Mar-a-Lago.
	And that's their post-Trump admin career.
	And frankly, a lot of these people, I mean, there really isn't anything else for them to do.
	So I understand that.
	That's fine.
	But she was hoping to be one of them.
	Right, and then not, yeah, like her, just like the comfort in Cheney's office.
	My favorite was, one of my favorite guys, who is like an awesome patriot, who we love, is Max Miller, and you can hear in the interview they played of his, just the disdain, and the, like you can hear him rolling his eyes in it, where he's like, yeah, and then sometimes the president asks for movements, like that's pretty normal.
	He's just hilarious.
	He's great.
	I hope he wins.
	He's awesome.
	Well, let's hope he does.
	And I think we're going to see a lot more, because they're not going to stop.
	That's the best part of this is they're just getting warmed up.
	And hopefully we'll have more of this.
	We're talking with Amanda Milius.
	Plot against the president was her blockbuster.
	There will be more to come.
	We'll find out more about that.
	And we will continue to hear the joyous deconstruction of the show trials that are failing miserably.
	This is Jim Hanson.
	We're doing America First Radio.
	We'll be back after the break.
	Mike's are live in the break so we can talk smack.
	Okay, good.
	- They're gonna talk me if I'm looking the wrong way. - The mics are live in the break, so we can talk smack.
	- Okay, good.
	- We can talk production of this show. - Let's talk shit.
	Are we allowed to like talk?
	You can swear in the breaks.
	Yeah, on the breaks we can swear.
	No, don't.
	Well, I'm always happy to join you.
	No, no, no.
	We're still live on Salem News.
	John, hang on a second.
	For some reason, we're still live on Salem News.
	So, fortunately, we just said we could swear and didn't actually do it.
	Okay, I'll keep it together.
	Seb's going to be watching this and he's never inviting me back.
	What are they doing?
	Hansen has lost control of the show!
	Hansen has lost control!
	And then the best is that Seb's first words to me when we met, before we knew anything about each other, is that I was like, I think I was actually swearing about the bad appointees that were coming in during the admin when he and I were both in.
	And he was like, you really shouldn't talk that way.
	And I was like, I wasn't raised by anyone.
	I'm sorry.
	I can't control it.
	I was feral as a child.
	Yeah, I was basically feral.
	And then he was like, what?
	And then we became friends.
	And it was pretty funny.
	So I'll be on my best behavior at all times.
	You don't need your best behavior.
	That's not that fun.
	Your Amanda behavior.
	Did you see the tweet war I got into with Daily Wire?
	That was pretty exciting.
	How'd I miss that?
	Well, because I'm shadow banned now.
	I found once I hit 90k followers, I got shadow banned to hell.
	And that's okay.
	I mean, I'm surprised I'm still on Twitter.
	I'm really surprised.
	If Musk doesn't buy that thing, I'll be off.
	I mean, I'm done.
	They went back.
	When he first made the offer, they took a lot of the algorithms down and the stuff, and I gained followers for the first time in two years.
	Yeah, I just suddenly exploded, and then it blocked.
	Yeah, they turned it back on and I think they're scared.
	I think they're trying to play with him about whether he's going to buy it or not.
	If he buys it, we can have fun.
	We can have fun.
	Remember when Twitter was fun?
	Yeah, when it was lively and you could call people names and they'd just fight back instead of just whining about it.
	No, it was great and everybody had like 300k followers and it was like, I had an Anon account then because I was still like undercover and it was like a really good a time.
	It was wonderful, wonderful fun time, but you know, we love our Anons.
	Oh yeah.
	Well, you got to.
	I mean, I understand.
	I was anonymous.
	I was Uncle Jimbo for my first four years.
	That was a little, that wasn't too anon for some of us.
	There was a while, but for the first four years, it was like 2004 and 5, up through about the Bush election, nobody knew it was me.
	Right.
	But then, then all of a sudden, people are like, oh, I knew that was you.
	Then, wow, that, you are a real original.
	That's amazing.
	I had one of the first blogs on a newspaper website in Madison, Wisconsin.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah, it was because they wanted, because the left hated me.
	And so they got so much traffic about me just being myself on the Madison newspaper site.
	And then, Millions of angry leftists.
	It was fun.
	That's awesome.
	That was like 2006.
	I like that.
	That's fun.
	We can get back to that.
	Elon will do it.
	Can you talk your next project?
	Well, it's a little complex.
	It's a little complex.
	Welcome back to America First with our very special guest, Uncle Jimbo.
	It's Jim Hansen.
	Hey folks, happy to be here.
	We're having fun doing America First.
	We are talking with my good friend Amanda Milius, filmmaker extraordinaire, who has an interesting project that I'm dying to see because John McAfee is one of the world's wild men.
	And his whole tail end demise and all of that, you've got some interesting stuff going on about that.
	Tell us where the project sits now.
	Well, so the company is building a handful of docs at one time.
	We've got the doc fund, and then we've got the scripteds.
	And what I'm trying to do, instead of doing one movie at a time, I'm trying to create a machine and a company.
	Nice.
	And we all are trying to create an industry, right?
	So these things take a little bit longer than just shooting out one movie after another.
	But I feel like that's my, I hate to say this, but really my gift to the movement.
	Sure.
	I know how to do these things.
	It's not just about me.
	It's not just about me making a movie after a movie.
	I want other directors to be able to make quality movies that can stay on big platforms, that can make a huge difference, and that's a kind of boring skill that I have, but it's something that I can lend to the movement.
	So the bigger picture is the company, and we have such loyal humans working with us that it's like, It's a blessing.
	I love your crew.
	They're wild.
	You know my guys.
	Yeah, they're fun.
	They're wild.
	And they're great.
	And I love them.
	And so we've got our work cut out for us.
	But on the McAfee front, what's interesting and what I was reminded of by the author, Mark Eglinton, of No Domain, which is the property that I optioned, along with the 36 hours of McAfee's final interviews that he participated in.
	Because remember, McAfee and Eglinton had a relationship.
	Now, that's different than McAfee's work with anybody else that's done material on him.
	He liked the author.
	And that's why I'm like, that's what I want, because I want to tell his story truthfully.
	Now, Mark reminded me, it has been a year.
	And Mr. McAfee's family has not received his remains from the Spanish government.
	It's been a year and And I don't even know if they've seen photographs or what.
	It is, there is something very wrong.
	That's sketchy.
	And sketchy and interesting going on here.
	And so I'm reluctant to say what my opinion is about it because it's evolving.
	And it's, it will be obvious in the movie, I think.
	Again, it's not about my opinion, it's about the facts.
	But I'm more confident than ever that that was the right choice as far as how to tell that story.
	And I can only hope to live up to what he wants.
	The other day we were goofing around on Twitter and someone was like, so who's in the running to play McAfee?
	And I was like, McAfee himself put the list out and Morgan Freeman's at the top.
	So I owe it to him to reach out.
	Right at first refusal, I think.
	So we'll see how that goes.
	There are some people that I've been thinking of that I think would just be incredible.
	But we'll see.
	Really, we need to remain true to the story.
	And we need to remain true to the man's vision.
	And I'm fine with that.
	Because like I said, I see a lot of... When you say he's one of the last wild men... He's a wild man.
	I love that.
	That, again, the reason I went after it, I was like, it reminds me of either my dad or a character my dad would have written.
	Yep.
	You know, my dad would have written McAfee.
	If he was this generation.
	I mean, McAfee is kind of a Kurtsian character.
	He went up the river and didn't come back.
	He did.
	And ended up getting taken out by himself or his followers, who knows?
	Right.
	There's so many cross... I mean, again, not to be this person that's endlessly referencing my dad's career or influenced by it, but I can't help it.
	You know, there's ways that it seeps into my brain.
	Like, I looked at my thesis film from USC, which is called The Lotus Gun, which is, you'd think, the farthest thing from a John Milius thing, aside from the gun aspect, which was very, very in there.
	It's very cool.
	It's a beautiful shotgun that's engraved with, like, all this hippie iconography, which I found to be two visions that came together in this very weird, cool way.
	Like, it has, like, a snake and, like, marijuana leaves etched over.
	Like, it was, hey, there's a whole backstory behind it.
	But interestingly enough, I was looking at it, and somebody was like, I feel like this has, like, the plot of Conan.
	And I'm looking at it, and I'm like, oh, my God.
	It has the plot of Conan.
	Like, I did the plot of Conan in my thesis and I swear to God I wasn't thinking about it at the time.
	I have to watch it.
	I haven't seen that.
	Well, it's a student film.
	Let me watch it.
	It's publicly available.
	PBS bought it.
	We're all going to watch it.
	It's called The Lotus Gun.
	It's on Film School Shorts, which was PBS.
	It's on YouTube.
	It's free.
	Dasha Nekrasova, who's one of the hosts of Red Scare, who's got her own brilliant acting career now because she's a phenomenal actress, as you can see, in Lotus, which was her first movie.
	I mean, she's just beyond.
	And, you know, so it's growing this little, like, weird little cult fan base, which I kind of like, but at the same time, I mean, it's a student thesis film.
	It's a little bit like showing your homework assignment to everybody.
	Tough beans, you human.
	Cat out of the bag and now we're going to be playing Conan side by side.
	You have a Lotus gun and actually it's quite... It's pretty there.
	As long as you drive your enemies before you, I'm fine with the whole thing.
	We always drive our enemies before us.
	Especially on this show.
	We need to nod because Seb usually plays the Conan music when I come on.
	So we must make a nod to Conan.
	When Elon Musk dropped off... Oh my gosh!
	That was no and it was that and then the next day it was like or it was that and just prior to that it was the week of like the NATO Wolverines up or whatever we're like supposedly the Ukraine was like spray-painting Wolverines everywhere which I'm fine maybe that happened but my dad meanwhile is like ecstatic He's suddenly like the most relevant guy ever and he's like, have you seen the news?
	I'm everywhere.
	And he was just like, all right, like take us.
	Yes.
	That was pretty cool.
	I got to say, it was pretty cool.
	We get to hear the lamentation of the wokesters.
	That is my answer back to him.
	I gave him the first two lines straight and then finished with, instead of the lamentation of the women, we'll have the lamentation of the wokesters.
	I agree.
	Folks, we have been talking with Amanda Milius, amazing person, and emblematic not just of the fact that her dad blazed a wide trail, she's blazing her own trail, but she's following Andrew Breitbart's phenomenally important and the rule we should all know, politics is downstream of culture.
	You're a cultural icon for the right and we appreciate it.
	And I think you should continue to lead the way and be as fearless as you have because it is a brilliant way for us to operate.
	Folks, we are going to be back after the break and talk a little more about the dangers that the woke and Insurrection propaganda fest on Capitol Hill has for all of us.
	But thanks to Amanda.
	This is Jim Hansen.
	We're doing America First Radio.
	be back to hear some more did we already do two segments That was two segments.
	I think we did.
	On my count, we did two segments.
	I could stay for however, because now I'm... You're already in the chair.
	Now I'm, no, I cleaned my thing up later.
	I'm fine.
	I can hang out.
	Because I mean, yeah, we got, let's, let's... Whatever you, whatever's good for you, I'm here.
	I don't have to run out the door.
	I'd rather talk to you than listen to myself talk.
	Uh, well, that's, some people would rather do the opposite, but they're not our audience, so.
	Some people would pay money to hear me stop talking.
	That's not who we're talking to.
	That's not the people on this radio show.
	I could listen to hours for a conversation.
	But, uh, yeah, no, I love that.
	I mean, there's, uh, there's plenty to discuss about this absolute show trial.
	It's just been, I've just been, I mean, I suppose I shouldn't just have as much fun with it as I do, because it's just so silly that I can't help it.
	But there are people's lives who are being ruined, and that's, that's something that, like, needs to be... Well, I think we can do that balance again, because mockery is the most powerful weapon.
	And that's what it deserves.
	And then...
	You get back to, how do we make them pay?
	So I think between those two, we can do that.
	Yeah.
	Well, let's talk.
	It's the most like Russiagate thing I've seen in a while.
	It's stunning that they think they're going to get away with it, but they'll get away with it.
	But they're also causing themselves more damage, I think, than they see.
	I mean, yeah.
	When their surprise witness is the coffee girl from Meadows office.
	Was that misogynist?
	Did you just misogynist?
	I'm allowed to do that, I think, because I'm in a minority group.
	I'm not like just a woman.
	I'm a Jewish woman, so I can say anything.
	Does that count?
	I think Jewish people like Asians lost their card.
	That if I wasn't, I would have been You know for a fact that when I had my little moment with The Daily Wire, which to be clear, I don't actually really have a problem with The Daily Wire.
	I like The Daily Wire.
	They've become a very good news organization, and I like some of their movies.
	Whatever, it's fine.
	But the individuals that were never Trump when they were never Trump and then had to pretend that they were going to take a victory lap for all the baby angels that had been saved, and I was like, not thanks to you.
	I had to say something, but aside from that, I actually support them, and I'm like, you know, I... It's a big tent, and we can argue.
	Yeah, I'm actually... It's like a family reunion.
	Yeah, like I'm actually able to like goof off.
	We're about to lose the mics.
	Oh, okay.
	America First.
	Can you believe it?
	They are saying that they don't agree with America First.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	Well, we believe in America first.
	I'm Jim Hansen, sitting in for Seb, who is enjoying some well-deserved family time.
	I'm talking, and we kind of semi-kidnapped Amanda and made her stay for one more segment because it's more entertaining than just me.
	I think we can all agree on that.
	But again, let's go back to the show trials and how's that being perceived?
	It would be cool if I was actually tied to the chair on the next, when we came back.
	I'm not willing.
	I guess it's not that kind of show.
	I'm not willing to, no.
	I think we would have a problem.
	Anyways.
	From too many indirections.
	Yeah, okay.
	So back to the show trials.
	But the perception.
	What do you think it's like?
	Because I mean, you're a person who, because I do information warfare.
	So I, as a profession, try to change narratives and affect people.
	Which is what they're doing.
	This is information warfare propaganda.
	I'm following in your footsteps, I'm following in Seb's footsteps, I'm following in Andrew Breitbart's footsteps.
	I hope.
	That's the goal.
	And frankly, like I said, this whole show looks like Russiagate part It's at least three.
	They had two impeachment trials to warm up for.
	It's just endless Russiagate, which is why, again, not to plug forever, but the movie, Plot Against the President, is still key to see because it lays out the blueprint for how they conduct these information ops.
	And so if for no other reason but that, for our breakdown of how they wash information through the FBI, through a certain New York Times or Washington Post or whatever, back into the FBI and it becomes a criminal situation, and then you find yourself in a place where the potential Attorney General, Mr. Larry Clark, was being raided in the middle of the night in the exact same way we describe Roger Stone's raid,
	It was more about humiliation.
	I mean, that's Chinese tactics to bring people out in their sleepwear in front of their neighbors.
	That's part of the point.
	That's not an accident.
	And it's so disgusting.
	And I've had to deal with so many people who I'm actually close with having to deal with this absolutely ridiculous show trial.
	And it has ruined people's lives.
	I like to make a joke out of everything on Twitter.
	You can assume everything I tweet is with the laughing emoji because I just find it all so ridiculous that sometimes I just have to say silly things, and that's just what I do.
	It's all just on a level of absurdity.
	But at the same time, we must remember, people's lives are being destroyed every single day.
	The next round of subpoenas, that's another.
	hundreds and thousands of dollars of legal fees for people that have had nothing to do with anything when no crime was committed and they're all being dragged through the mud.
	And where do people go to get their reputations back, as we say?
	And actually, one of my favorite things that's happening is one of my co-producers, Daniel Bostic, is leading the first defamation case against some of these left-wing rags for claiming he was the riot organizer, which is absurd. is leading the first defamation case against some of these Oh, I don't care.
	I don't care.
	I'm good.
	you know that's impossible.
	So anyhow, a brilliant talk with Amanda.
	We'll have you back as often as you can.
	Seb always does.
	This is Jim Hansen.
	That's such a short, tiny second.
	Oh, I don't care.
	I'm like, I don't care.
	I'm good.
	Let's figure it out.
	Thank you for the time.
	Are you good?
	Are we done?
	Wow, that was really fun.
	Okay, I will tweet out everything and that was great.
	I hope that looked okay.
	My gosh, I would have put on a little more soft tanner.
	Um, I brought my book like I was gonna have time to take notes.
	Let's get a photo.
	Actually, can I get a picture behind the whole thing?
	Will you take it on your phone and take a picture of me?
	I don't have my phone.
	Just cause it's like so fun we gotta send it to Seb.
	And I'm gonna be like, I took over the show.
	You left for a minute.
	We should change for the last.
	All right.
	If we ever get it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right. All right. All right.
	Welcome.
	Our special guest host, Jim Hansen.
	.
	Well, I'm delighted to be back sitting in for Seb doing America First Radio, and even more delighted to now have in the chair one of my favorite lawyers, which is admittedly a short list.
	I think it's pretty much you and Schlichter.
	But Will Chamberlain is here, and I would love, Will, to get your opinion of just how brutally effective the show trial for the invented insurrection has been at throwing the traitor Trump into the brink.
	He's going to jail!
	It's so silly.
	You're laughing.
	Well, I think, you know, there's so many different problems.
	We can just start with yesterday, what happened with Cassidy Hutchinson.
	People, I remember watching Fox News and hearing Brett Baier tell me, oh, this is devastating.
	Did you hear?
	This is devastating testimony.
	And it's like, clearly you've never seen a trial because the first thing you'd notice is It's hearsay.
	Very rarely is she testifying even to a conversation she herself heard most of the talk is about someone else told her that Trump said X. And that's not just hearsay, it's actually what we call double hearsay.
	There's the hearsay statement of Trump, you know, being offered for whatever the truth of that it was asserted.
	And then there's the hearsay statement of the person gossiping, right?
	So you have these, you know... What's the legal standard for gossip?
	We got hearsay, double hearsay, gossip, and...
	BS, which is what it seems.
	Right.
	And so, you know, it's not that all hearsay statements are inadmissible.
	There are actually a lot of exceptions to the hearsay rule.
	But this is the classic example of why we have a hearsay rule, right?
	You have this woman saying, well, I heard that Trump grabbed the steering, you know, this guy, this guy told me Trump grabbed the steering wheel.
	And then you realize, well, that's not even possible.
	And then within an hour of the testimony, it comes out that the Secret Service agents are perfectly willing to say under oath, no, that that never happened.
	But why in the world didn't the January 6th committee check that out beforehand?
	Oh, I'm sure they did.
	In fact, I'm sure they have depositions of the Secret Service agents.
	They almost certainly knew, which makes what Liz Cheney did not just, you know, a mistake where she fell on her face, but actually kind of appalling.
	Like, she was soliciting Maybe Cassie Hutchinson didn't know that the testimony was false.
	She might not have known what happened in that car.
	She might well have believed the gossip.
	But Liz Cheney was sitting on the committee hearing all those depositions.
	So Liz Cheney knew what happened in that car.
	But she's got immunity from anything because she's sitting in Congress, right?
	She's got that garbage immunity that they get.
	And the thing was, it wasn't even about getting Trump for that thing.
	They wanted the headlines that say Trump led the charge, wanted to grab a musket himself, you know, and impale Mike Pence for failing to dethrone the Constitution.
	Yeah I mean I saw and then Liz Cheney even you know of course she she links to an article by David French where French is like oh they've really got Trump this time and then apparently his whole argument is that somehow this testimony will lead to Trump being prosecuted on incitement on incitement of violence!
	Which is just omitting the fact that he said that they should go over peacefully.
	There's just no way you're gonna get an incitement charge under these facts.
	They're starting to remind me of Boss Hogg and Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane from the Dukes of Hazzard.
	We're gonna get them Duke boys!
	They're always trying to get Trump and he's always driving away in the Beast, jumping over airplanes.
	He's been out of office for 18 months and they're still trying to get him.
	Like, guys...
	he's he's not the president anymore you can relax you know they can't they can't relax because they're they're literally scared to death he's coming back so that's true and you know they they didn't get him this is like round three of official attempts to get him and he is just so slippery yeah it's like or maybe he maybe he hasn't committed any crimes i wonder if they considered that yeah no maybe he didn't commit any crimes maybe You know, at the end of the day, what is the long-term conclusion here?
	Are they saying Trump didn't act particularly quickly on January 6th?
	Well, if you were paying attention to Twitter that day, you knew that was true, right?
	He could have tweeted about it faster.
	He didn't.
	We knew that that day.
	Oh, you think he was unhappy with Mike Pence?
	He gave a speech about how he was unhappy with Mike Pence.
	Like, we knew that.
	It's not illegal to be unhappy that Mike Pence is not going to do what he's being asked, which was to go ahead and say, let's hold off on this, and maybe before we seal this with the Electoral College, maybe we should look at a couple states, you know, in a way that hasn't been done yet.
	It's legal to ask for that.
	Sure, it's not.
	It's just all this stuff, they're prosecuting people for a legal strategy at the end of the day.
	They wanna prosecute Trump because people breached the Capitol?
	Well, that wasn't on him.
	They were breaching the Capitol before his speech was done and he said to go over peacefully.
	None of this is, it's all really just kind of a joke.
	And the degree to which they're trying to say, oh, this bombshell testimony.
	It's like, no, it's not!
	It's not bombshell testimony.
	And it's also, they would actually benefit.
	The left and the people going after Trump would benefit from having some people on the committee who weren't who were trump defenders because then you might have an adversarial moment or two to keep everybody's attention but instead all you get is this one-sided boring direct examination that falls apart in the media within an hour it's like it's like a long episode of cnn before their guy said you can't everything can't be breaking news
	you know every single story that happens cannot have the breaking news chyron on it as if this is the most the earth-shattering thing ever and they keep saying every day this is the one this is the the secret witness who's going to finally take trump down and when we get down to it it's the same old hashed over garbage yeah and i mean there's there's nothing dramatic about it like Think about when you watch a trial or something.
	What's the most dramatic moment in a trial?
	It's not direct examination.
	It's cross, right?
	Because it's adversarial.
	It's adversarial.
	So maybe you have a moment where you have a hostile question but the witness turns it around on the questioner or something is revealed.
	But here it's just dull.
	It's just the direct examinations over and over and over again.
	Here's the problem they have.
	I'm not sure they've got anything they can use to flip.
	You know, like you said, okay, they come back at someone in cross-examination and they think they're going to get them, but the witness throws them a curve ball and actually proves the point.
	They don't have anybody who can prove a point because there's no point to prove.
	They started with a premise that doesn't exist.
	They invented an insurrection and now they're trying to create through show trials and through the media and through some fairly egregious abuses of the people they've actually prosecuted and who have copped a please, the idea that this was an actual event.
	And I don't think you can do that if anybody throws a flag on the play.
	Right, right.
	Yeah, I mean, obviously, if there were, you know, a pro-Trump questioner that would follow up with all these people, I mean, that testimony yesterday would have been blown up.
	It would have been horrible.
	Yeah.
	Ms.
	Hutchinson, were you president in the car when Mr. Trump said these things?
	No.
	Good.
	Next witness is going to be the guy who was in the car.
	I was getting coffee, because that's what I do.
	Right, yeah.
	Two sugars, please.
	Yeah, no.
	Well, I think that piece of it, you know, legally, I think they have failed in everything.
	But do you think they're going to go ahead and indict him and try to do it again in criminal court?
	I don't think DOJ is going to try and indict him for incitement.
	I mean, I think Merrick Garland's a smart man.
	You know, he may be thinking he can get something done with the electors, right?
	Because that's what it seems like.
	He's going after Eastman.
	Okay.
	And other people like that, he may think.
	And, you know, one place where if Liz Cheney actually has the goods, which doesn't seem probable, but if she has the goods on witness tampering, i.e.
	people in Trump world calling up other witnesses and being like, I hope you should know the boss is watching, that kind of stuff, like, that would be, you know, that's an easy thing to prove if it's true.
	So that might be where he has some problems.
	But in terms of the actual underlying substance of what they're trying to say, They're not going to get him on this stuff because it was an incitement.
	It wasn't.
	It's not a complicated thing, but do they win at all then?
	Because it's kind of going to seem totally anti-climactic if they end up with witness tampering.
	You know, oh boy, we got a witness tampering and we got this lawyer over here who had some crazy ideas that he was telling Trump.
	Maybe we should throw him in the clink.
	It's not going to get anything.
	I mean, the American people just don't really care and it's just not compelling.
	Well, like compare it to the Kavanaugh hearings, which were extremely compelling.
	And that because there was adversarialness, right, because there was a back and forth between, you know, Republicans and Democrats.
	So but they've got, you know, they're doing it now with the hope that they were going to have this be the news in the fall.
	Yeah.
	You know, they want, and I think again, the law of unintended consequences biting them on the butt could be that all they get are these, you know, gutsy little chintzy little trials and all of a sudden Trump's talking smack over it.
	Right.
	And saying, I'm vindicated again.
	This is the third time they've come at me and I am invincible, man.
	No, I think independents don't care, and all they're doing is pissing Republicans off with yet another clearly unfair process, right?
	It's transparently unfair to Trump, right?
	He's not, he has nobody there to defend him.
	He has no lawyer to object.
	There's no judge to, like, enforce any kind of rules of evidence.
	It's literally, it actually is the thing that closest resembles a star chamber that we have.
	Now, it doesn't have punitive power, but that's what the star chamber was like this, in the sense of it's one-sided, questioning with no rules of evidence and they can just humiliate you and there's nobody to stop it.
	That's kind of what this is.
	Well, I think, I gotta be honest, alright?
	Everything that they've done to the January 6th defendants from the riot side of the house has been so egregious that it needs to be dealt with and we had Julie Kelly on before and she explained how awful that is.
	But this side, their show trial propaganda side, I think has blown up in a spectacular, wily, coyote fashion.
	And I'm kind of happy they did it.
	You know, it was such a bad idea that I'm glad they did it.
	So we're going to be back after the break and I want to talk to you a little bit about the Big string of wins we've had from the Supreme Court, and a little thing Clarence Thomas said about New York Times versus Sullivan that I think is kinda awesome.
	We're talking with Will Chamberlain.
	We'll be back.
	This is America First Radio.
	I'm Jim Hanson.
	Seb's on vacation and we're going to have some fun after the break.
	And they had free cold love.
	We're trying to get cold brew set up at the house.
	I want to get, I've got one of those little kegerator things that goes in the fridge and it uses little nitrous oxide cartridges, but I want to get the full one with the keg and so it's there on demand because I drink that stuff.
	Yeah, no, it's good.
	Once it gets hot, I want the cold brew.
	Yeah, that's true.
	When it's hot in the summer, you want cold brew.
	I always find it like, if I'm forced to go to a Starbucks or a Pete's, it's the thing to get because they burn the hell out of their coffee.
	Why do they do that?
	Is it a thing?
	It's like Americans apparently expect burnt coffee, but you know this too, because I see you have an incredible coffee setup at your place.
	Coffee is not hard to make well, and it's not difficult, not expensive.
	Were you at Kurt's book party, the one right after Kavanaugh?
	I don't think so, no.
	Oh, dude.
	Sam's got a friend who she worked with from Ethiopia, and she brought her niece and nephew to the party, cooked the big bread the size of a table.
	I mean, literally.
	It was that big around, that tall.
	She cooked it in a regular oven.
	It was perfect.
	But they brought the Ethiopian coffee setup where they take the raw beans, roast them in a pan, right then, grind them up and make individual cups of coffee.
	And dude, I've never had anything like it in my life.
	That's crazy.
	And the cool thing was she gave Sam, it's like this little ceremonial set where it's wood and, you know, it's got glass and beads and stuff.
	It's super cool.
	Yeah.
	And she's trying to get for the new next party for on the one coming up for Kurt.
	She's trying to get her to come back.
	So we may have like the coffee of doom at the next party.
	That would be sick.
	Yeah.
	It's the little things in life.
	It's true.
	So how's life?
	You sleeping?
	Baby sleeping?
	Yeah, no.
	Baby sleeps through the night.
	I'm a champ.
	I'm sleeping.
	You know, everything's fine.
	Yeah, things are good.
	Like, things are just good.
	I need to get you over during the day sometime.
	And I want to show you what we did on the Hunter Biden censorship and disinformation campaign.
	We've got some very cool software and other stuff working on mapping the network of everyone who was involved in shutting that down and influencing the election.
	It's so crazy.
	There's so much stuff.
	There's so much.
	It's just like, I almost feel like there weren't enough researchers looking at it or something.
	Yeah, I mean the laptop itself has some great felonies.
	You know, obviously the FARA and the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act stuff.
	Felonies for Joe, Hunter, and Jim.
	Right.
	Guaranteed.
	They won't prosecute them, but they're there.
	But the actual shutdown of the story, it's amazing.
	We track the themes, we track the narratives, we track when they came out, who piled on, who the sources were.
	It's really cool.
	That's neat.
	Yeah, it's fun.
	You up on Sullivan?
	Yeah.
	The rest of them were fun and kind of commonplace, but Thomas just threw that out there.
	I would be open to that.
	I just love the way he threw it out conversationally in a dissent.
	It's a dissent from the denial of cert, right?
	He's just saying we need to hear this.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if he can persuade, but he can, you know, things are moving in the right direction in general.
	It's been a very good week of the court.
	It's not like the media is not showing why they don't deserve that increased level of protection.
	Yeah.
	Very true.
	Thank you.
	It's Jim Hansen.
	It most certainly is Jim Hansen, and it most certainly is Will Chamberlain in the other chair right there.
	And as Will has the Esquire status as a lawyer, I want to hit you with something that I thought was good.
	Because I'm celebrating the string of victories for the Constitution, you know, with the Roe decision, with the Second Amendment decision.
	Those were amazing returns to The Constitution actually meaning what the Constitution says and was meant to say and was meant to do.
	Stunning victories, I think, for the country as a whole.
	But then there was another one that kind of slipped in in a denial of cert on a case where Justice Clara Thomas, who obviously wrote the wonderful new Second Amendment, which I think they keep calling it Bruin or whatever.
	It's got to be the Thomas decision.
	I want to give it to him.
	Whatever.
	We'll see if we get away with that.
	He dropped in a dissent about that case that we need to consider, or he would be open to considering and reconsidering the decision New York Times versus Sullivan, which gives a very heightened degree of protection from defamation suits which gives a very heightened degree of protection from defamation suits to the
	You have to prove actual malice, not just complete gross incompetence in a way that any decent human being would have been embarrassed to put this turd of a story out.
	Right.
	You have to prove that they actually knew it was a lie and did it on purpose to hurt someone before you can sue the media.
	Should we flip that one?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I mean, we're still a long way from even getting there, right?
	We have one justice saying he wants to hear a case.
	That's a big difference.
	That's a long way from having five who are willing to reverse that precedent.
	That said, you know, things have moved positively.
	A lot of people thought Roe wasn't going anywhere, and now it's gone.
	So certainly, New York Times v. Sullivan is suspect as a decision.
	We forget about this, but it federalized defamation law.
	Prior to Sullivan, defamation law was different in all 50 states, and there were differing levels of intent and different standards.
	And it was Sullivan that said, throughout all the state law, and said, guess what?
	Now it's going to be much, much harder to win a defamation case, and you have to prove actual malice, which has a technical meaning.
	in the law.
	It's not like you're angry, right?
	You think malice, you're like, oh, mad.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	It's not about anger or resentment.
	It's just you actually have to know you were, essentially know you were lying or have reckless disregard for the truth, which means, which is a very, very high standard, almost impossible to prove, or impossible to get evidence of before discovery, certainly.
	So, yeah, that needs to go.
	It doesn't really have a basis in the constitutional text.
	But there's some value to the idea, I could see, because libel shopping's a thing overseas.
	A lot of people like to sue for libel in England because they have garbage laws there that make it very easy to sue someone for libel or slander or whatever.
	So the idea that maybe all 50 states You shouldn't be able to libel shop or slander or defamation shop a suit.
	Maybe there should be a standard, but why then such a high standard that the media can get away with what they've been using it for, which is a license to lie?
	Yeah, there shouldn't be that license to lie.
	When you think about it, in other areas of the law, the person who's being defamed is an innocent victim.
	They didn't do anything.
	And yet, the burden is on them to prove someone else knowingly lied, not even just was negligent or grossly negligent, but that they knowingly lied.
	And it's like, well, where do they go to get their reputation back?
	And so, you know, and you can do real harm with defamatory.
	I mean, Johnny Depp is a good example of that, right?
	Amber Heard.
	Well, Johnny Depp just got offered $300 million to make another Pirates of the Caribbean.
	And he had to work really hard to prevail in that case.
	But he had to prove actual malice on her part and I mean that was a lot of work.
	But you saw like he lost his, I mean, those defamatory remarks cost him his job as the Pirates of the Caribbean star.
	And getting it back is a big thing.
	So is there a reason that the media in any case, should have that higher level of license to lie than anyone else?
	I mean, it affects everyone equally.
	Does the media just use it so much more egregiously than everyone else that we see it and it disgusts me and all decent people?
	I mean, they use it as a reason to be lazy.
	Because negligence, remember, you can't sue somebody for defamation just for being wrong.
	Right, they actually have to have been negligent, like shown a lack of reasonable care, acted not like a reasonable person would under the circumstances, or a reasonable journalist.
	And so if they do their normal work and they get something wrong, that's not defamation.
	It's when they're lazy and they don't ask for comment and then publish falsehoods about you.
	But, and in some of those cases, they talk about, okay, layers and layers of editors and fact checkers and all these things.
	And they're supposed to, you know, the standard for journalism should be, and they claim is that they do that due diligence when it's obvious that they do not.
	So shouldn't there be then that opening for someone who not, and it's not even negligence that they're doing.
	It is purposeful, I think in most of those cases, because they can get away with it.
	Right.
	I think it would do a lot to make them be much more careful and much more neutral.
	I think part of the real disappointment is that they're just so willing to just publish falsehoods, a lot of misleading information.
	They're the primary purveyors of misinformation.
	In a world where, you know, the lawyers were on their case telling them, no, no, no, show us your work.
	Like, be fair here.
	That would be a better world for journalism.
	And, you know, again, I mean, they say they have all these layers of protection.
	It's like, good, you have all those layers of editing and supervision.
	Great, you won't have a problem if we— You should be able to prove you did your due diligence and did that.
	And you look at cases, now you've got Nick Sandman, right, for the kid who got accused of attacking a poor Indian Vietnam vet poser, and they ended up paying him, right?
	Well, we don't know how much they paid him.
	But if they paid him a dime, they paid him something.
	Sure.
	I mean, it could have been a nuisance settlement.
	And that's because the problem is, again, he had to prove that they knew they were lying.
	But they settled it.
	They didn't want to go to discovery.
	Sure, but we don't know how much they settled for.
	But I think it's indicative.
	I agree.
	But the point is, they had the ability then to make that go away, which they always will.
	Sure.
	But he didn't have the ability just to walk in the door and say, look, you guys obviously ran with this so quickly and without even checking any of the available footage, which me, you and a dozen other people found in less than a day that showed the other guy, the Indian drummer, was the one who was the aggressor.
	They didn't do that and they went with their story anyhow.
	And the reason they could was because he didn't have an ability to do that.
	Right.
	And he's not the only one.
	Rittenhouse is in the same boat right now.
	Everyone wanted to talk smack about him and did.
	And I think if he had to write, he's going to have to get settlements because he's not likely to prevail in court.
	That would be very challenging.
	He's in a much weaker position.
	legal in terms of his ability to win defamation suits because he was charged with murder, right?
	Like that's really on Binger and those idiots that even brought this case.
	It never should have been brought.
	It's clear self-defense, but they charged him.
	And so saying that the news outlet showed actual malice in describing him even as a murderer, it's like, well, he's alleged, but still, it's just, it's not.
	They weren't alleging that.
	That was That was the thing.
	That's where he may get him and he probably won't.
	And that's why I appreciate Justice Thomas.
	I appreciate you bringing this up and give me the opportunity to maybe slap the media down a little bit and force them to do what they claim to do.
	Will Chamberlain, a pleasure for sharing your expertise and unique perspective with us.
	This is Jim Hanson.
	Seb will be back Tuesday on one of his longest excursions away from the studios ever.
	Brace yourselves, but we'll be back after the break to rock a little bit more America First in the last half hour of today's show.
	Four minutes.
	So it will trick you.
	But she said thank you for-- If she had, no, no problem.
	I just wanted to, I mean, I hope she understands.
	I felt bad about that.
	And she's an interesting enough person.
	I'd have her on period just for that.
	So, all right, man.
	All right.
	We are halfway done with the third and final hour here.
	30 minutes.
	Yes.
	Let's close out this show with a bang.
	Yeah.
	I'm trying to think there's, I mean, we could, we could recap cause this is.
	Cause I mean, in terms of the big news, I mean, you talked about mostly J6.
	Uh, did you, I mean, considering the whole theme of the last show you did was weapons of war and that was before.
	gun control passed and before the Supreme Court ruling.
	Yeah, I think that's the thing.
	I need to hit the 2A decision and the lame law that they just passed.
	Yeah, super lame law.
	It was pathetic.
	But I actually think the diving through it, I'm afraid that red flag laws are, and this is partially based on the Bruin decision, I think they are legal.
	Red Flag Wallace?
	Yeah.
	I think they're going to be ruled constitutional if they're tailored properly.
	If the language is solid.
	Yeah, if there is a way to ensure that due process is served.
	You can't exclude the person from it.
	They have to have representation.
	There has to be a lot of things, but I have a feeling that based on some of the talk about whether or not regulations were allowed at all, That reasonable regulations to find out it's an honest, upright citizen are going to be... I should probably look that up.
	Right.
	There's a term they used.
	God, I hope they do Sullivan.
	Amen.
	Thank you.
	That's just like candy for me.
	check you spell my own twitter Thank you.
	You did the one, you have that one read still left, right?
	Oh, well, I'll open it.
	Yeah, you did JCN.
	Well, I'll do the other one.
	I had completely forgotten about it.
	That's because I'm a trained professional.
	50 seconds.
	all right
	Can you believe it?
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	Anyone should agree America First because we are the greatest country in the history of Earth.
	This is Jim Hansen.
	We got one more half hour of America First Radio today.
	And I want to talk about the fight for the unborn, which is still raging in this country.
	Now, the Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade, clearing the way for many states to ban or severely limit abortion.
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	Now, the Roe v. Wade decision was massive.
	The Bruin or, as I want to call it, the Thomas decision was also massive.
	It was a resounding victory for the Second Amendment and a continuation of what Justice Scalia did so importantly in the DC versus Heller.
	It basically is establishing the right to keep and now to bear arms.
	Scalia took care of it being an individual right, not tied to any government militia, and now Justice Thomas has taken care of the fact that if you can keep an arm and you're supposed to be allowed to bear it, That means they have to let you carry it outside your house, which New York was not interested in doing.
	So I think that was that was huge, you know, and it was good and heartening and it made me happy and should make all of us happy that these decisions, standing up for constitutional principles that have always been there, but that have been getting shoveled, stuff all over them for so many years are actually still in effect.
	I think returning to that idea was the thing that President Trump gave us that we can be most thankful for.
	Three justices who will vote for the Constitution, not for their right to legislate from the bench.
	Now, talking about people legislating from their halls of Congress, where it's supposed to happen, it shouldn't have happened that the law that just passed and Biden signed that our rhino leaders McConnell and McCarthy didn't manage to stop and actually helped in some cases, looking at you, Mitch,
	was this garbage little you know compromise bipartisan gun control bill where oh well we we can't win enough so we're gonna go ahead and make sure the other team gets to win something too Now, the bulk of that bill is garbage.
	There's not really anything in it.
	They didn't raise the age to 21.
	They didn't ban assault weapons.
	Most of the things that the left wanted did not happen.
	But they got a little bit of action on red flag laws.
	And I think that's something we need to be very cognizant of and fight back hard on.
	Not because the idea of red flag laws is the worst thing in the world.
	Because if you got someone Who was talking about killing people, talking about taking a gun to a school, doing something like that, talking about killing themselves.
	There is a very strong and reasonable case to be made that you can take their weapons away if there is a safe and fair due process done so that they can't just keep them and commit a horrifying crime.
	The problem is, we don't have a system right now that any of us, the great us of the America First world, can trust to treat us fairly.
	The same people who threw the January 6th protesters in the Gulag are the ones who would be deciding our fate.
	And I'm sorry, I don't trust them, and neither should you.
	So our work isn't done, right?
	We're winning more than not.
	I'm not sick of winning.
	And I know that would be one of the president, former president, soon to be maybe the second president, has said that we'll get sick of winning.
	We're not near sick of winning.
	We got a lot more winning to do.
	And so when we come back, I want to dig a little bit into what was said in the Second Amendment ruling, the Thomas Bruin ruling that may or may not impact how red flag laws are looked at and what can be done in the minds of the justices who ruled correctly on that.
	They may very soon be ruling again, and we want to kind of parse a little bit what that may entail.
	We are still rocking America First Radio here.
	I am Jim Hansen, and we'll be back after the break to talk a little bit more about our right to keep and bear arms.
	Went through and highlighted the whole Bruin ruling and pulled out the fun parts.
	All right.
	Speaking of which, some of my friends who actually read through the whole of the Roe ruling as well, Dobbs I should say, found the language where Thomas specifically said that The precedent set by this ruling should allow us to look back on other rulings.
	Substantive due process, yeah.
	Obergefell, including.
	Which I saw them like, let's go ten years from now overturning Obergefell.
	I mean, here's the thing.
	There's a difference between policy and law that people forget.
	And they look at Roe v. Wade.
	Abortion didn't get banned.
	A bad constitutional precedent got overturned.
	And that's the same thing that Thomas is saying about substantive due process.
	He's not saying we're going to ban interracial marriage.
	He's saying the law and the rulings and the judicial logic that they use to justify that is wrong.
	And he's right!
	Now, that means that, you know, you get the whole argument, because it will never be portrayed fairly, about whether they're actually overturning those things.
	Gay marriage and, you know, interracial marriage and what's the other one?
	Contraception, I think, is the other one.
	Yeah.
	Substantive due process.
	Those things need to be decided and probably legislated.
	That's why we have a legislator.
	They've just been too gutless to do the hard things.
	That's how we were doing things before the ruling.
	Again, in 2008, California voted to ban gay marriage.
	Like, in 2008.
	So, I mean, and you look at it now, I mean, granted, it took 49 years to finally deal with abortion, which, you know, is 49 years too late for 63 million babies, but if that results in an expedited handling of gay marriage, because, again, it was only seven, what, seven years ago?
	Seven years ago now, and look how much worse it's gotten after just seven years.
	The sooner we put a stop to that, the better.
	And good!
	You know, let's have those tough decisions, because in the end, most of those things go our way.
	You know?
	I mean, on the merits.
	Right, right.
	Well, that and also when the left takes it so far.
	Like, you know, again, back in just 2010, it was all Oh no, we just want to get married like the rest of you.
	Ten years later, it's no, we want to mutilate your kids.
	Right?
	Right.
	And you have to let us.
	And you have to help us.
	Or else you're, yeah, you're a big... And you can't take your kids out and put them in another school because then how are we going to indoctrinate them?
	I was seeing on Twitter, among other things, it was glorious.
	Insider was doing a big article on like, you know, Gen Z reacts to a post-Roe America.
	And like, they're now thinking about not having sex anymore because they're afraid of the consequences.
	And I'm just like, good?
	Like, yes?
	Hello?
	But then, also in that article, they said, oh, by the way, this also affects LGBTQ Gen Zers, because one in every six, one in every six Gen Zer identifies as LGBTQ.
	And I'm like, so if this is a real thing, right, that like people are just born gay, there's a gay gene or whatever, how is it that only now in 2022 is it one in six people will say they're gay, when it's never been that way throughout history?
	Right.
	Well, gee, it's not just that it's the cool thing to do now.
	You mean young people can be influenced and will follow the crowd trying to get approval?
	I've never seen that happen in my entire life.
	It's just a fact.
	I gotta play an ad here from Seb.
	It's like 60 seconds.
	So I'll just roll in on the break from that.
	Okay.
	And then we'll go to you.
	And then how long is this segment?
	It is eight minutes.
	Eight minutes is a good... Second to last segment.
	But seven with the ad.
	Technically speaking.
	Yeah, I'm gonna play the ad first.
	Right.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Just to get it out of the way.
	Yep.
	Good, then I can... So you want me to do it at the end?
	No, no, no.
	Do it now, because I'm still looking for this thing.
	Got it.
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	And I want to talk now, though, about part of the ruling that Justice Thomas wrote in the Second Amendment case, Bruin and New York Pistol Association, etc.
	There was a separate concurrence to that by Chief Justice Roberts and Kavanaugh that Kavanaugh wrote.
	And it's important because it relates, I believe, to potential red flag law litigation down the road.
	Because with the new bill they've passed and with the fact that the left's going crazy, and there are plenty of states now that do have red flag laws, these are going to be abused to put, you know, this into, turn it into a political issue, use this against enemies like us of the state who have guns and can't be trusted with them.
	So I think we need to be prepared for the possibility that if we take a red flag case to the Supreme Court, it's not going to be struck down.
	And there's some language in this separate concurrence that leads me to think that at least those two justices, and nobody else joined it, but that would make it down to four who did not have this opinion, That there are legitimate requirements that the state can put on your ability to keep and bear arms.
	And I'm going to read a little bit of what they wrote.
	It said, 43 states employ objective shall issue licensing regimes.
	Those shall issue regimes may require a licensed applicant to undergo fingerprinting, a background check, a mental health records check, and training in firearms handling and in laws regarding the use of force, among other possible requirements.
	So they were saying that even though New York's regime of May issue if you can prove to us that you have a really important need for a gun and even then we're going to deny you was not constitutional and that got slapped all the way down.
	What didn't get slapped down was the idea that there are legitimate requirements that a person has to meet before they are considered safe and legal to be exercising their rights.
	And we need to accept that.
	You know, that's been part of this all along.
	It's in Heller.
	It's accepted in this and in this concurrence.
	What they're saying is the state has the ability to decide that some people do not meet that standard.
	We've been well aware of that for a while.
	The question is, where is the limit to that?
	What does it take to potentially lose your right to keep or bear arms?
	And I think they say in an additional piece of this that you can't use that if you're a state.
	So, okay, they're telling them that you should be able to have, you know, you can fingerprint somebody, you can do a background check, mental health records check, which is a little sketchy.
	And then also that you can go ahead and do additional possible requirements.
	Now, in the case of a red flag law, what you're essentially saying is we're re-looking that initial right to keep or bear an arm in the light of your activities or alleged activities.
	And in doing that, they can say, well, now you no longer meet that safe citizen who can exercise their right freely.
	We can see—we, the collective state, and you having exercised your due process—can see that that has been bridged, and we can abridge that right if certain criteria are met or not met.
	And that's where I see the problem for the red flag laws.
	is there are cases where you absolutely should take a gun away from someone if someone is saying out loud like just happened there was a case where they arrested a kid who was telling his family i think school shootings are good i have an assault rifle i want to go shoot up a school He said that.
	They took his guns.
	And that's the correct answer.
	Now, if you want to be a Second Amendment absolutist and say, shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed, well, at this point, you're not in accordance with the rulings that outline the Second Amendment.
	So if that is the ruling law being Heller versus D.C.
	and Bruin, and if this concurrence by Roberts and Kavanaugh says that the state can place requirements and consequently these requirements could include revoking that right if you do certain things and show certain behaviors, that to me opens the pathway
	to red flag laws being found in accordance with the second amendment and sadly probably properly so and i say sadly not because i want crazy people or dangerous people or anyone like that to have guns but because i still fear that that will be i don't fear i know that will be abused against people like you and me So keep it in mind.
	I'm not happy about it.
	It's not something I am saying in celebration.
	We've had so many wins.
	I don't want to rain on the parade.
	But I'm also not willing to ignore the fact that there is a legitimate reason In some cases, to take guns away from someone and to revoke their right to keep and bear arms.
	And that's generally something they've done to themselves with their own actions.
	There are cases where even I believe that's the right thing to do.
	I just don't trust our government to do that fairly or well.
	So we need to be prepared for that and we need to find a way that if they're gonna do red flag laws that there are penalties for anyone who abuses it for false statements for anything like that and any abuse of power in doing that should not give anyone in the government qualified immunity or anything else.
	Keep yourself, you know, keep your eyes on the target on this, because we've had some big wins and we're not out of the woods yet.
	This is Jim Hanson.
	We're doing America First Radio.
	It's been a great show, I think.
	We'll be back for one last segment to wrap all of this up and render a verdict on the show trials of the invented insurrection.
	Cut that one a little tight, didn't I? - Yeah, it's fine.
	That's the name of the game.
	We are now at our final segment.
	Hey!
	For today.
	Ah, we've got all day tomorrow!
	And then we get the sequel.
	That's right, Rumble Chat.
	You guys get to hear that exclusively.
	He will be back for round two tomorrow.
	I hope something really stupid happens tonight.
	It's not like we need it, but I like a little fresh meat.
	Something stupid happening at Joe Biden's America?
	You're out of your mind.
	Yeah, that'll never happen.
	I think it's almost a guarantee.
	The question is, will we be able to?
	Because I got a list of stupid things and I missed like three of them.
	Just because there's so much other stupid stuff.
	So much, yeah.
	So good.
	It is the cavalcade of stupidness.
	I'm just getting ready for this dry spell of primaries.
	We're now not going to have any primaries until like early August, which makes me kind of sad, but when we come back we have And August 2nd we got Missouri with Gritens, we've got Arizona.
	So there's a primary in August for an election in October?
	Yeah, I don't know what they're thinking.
	How do they do it?
	Who's thinking of this?
	I don't understand why Florida is so late.
	Florida is like mid-August, late August.
	I'm like, what are you doing over there in the Sunshine State?
	Usually they're among the first.
	I don't understand why you would want the inter-party fighting to go on longer than, or the intra.
	Did I get that right?
	Oh, I don't know the difference either.
	I think inter is inside and intra is between.
	Yeah.
	Somebody's gonna correct us if I'm wrong.
	That's what I love about having an audience that will pipe up immediately.
	Go ahead, say something wrong, dum-dum.
	We'll getcha.
	Especially since I like to opine on things that I am woefully uneducated about.
	I mean, I'm uneducated from the basic level, so.
	I mean, isn't that the nature of political punditry in general?
	Exactly!
	You just have to have a take, you know?
	It doesn't matter if you know what the hell you're talking about, as long as it sounds good.
	And I do know a few.
	I do study stuff a little bit.
	Some of it.
	But then I start talking about the law and it's funny because I like to, you know, Ron Coleman, right?
	Oh yeah.
	Brilliant lawyer.
	You know, and it's not that Schlichter's not a brilliant lawyer or Will's not.
	Will's another brilliant lawyer too.
	And I talk law with these guys like I actually have the right to talk law with them.
	It's funny.
	All right.
	30 seconds to the final segment here.
	here.
	All right.
	It's Jim Hansen.
	Hey folks, glad to be sitting in for Seb and I'll be back tomorrow because we didn't, I was just looking at my list.
	We didn't even get close to covering all the craziness and I don't even know what's going to happen overnight in Joe Biden's America as Eric pointed out.
	Something stupid is always likely to happen.
	So I want to wrap up today's show though because we had a theme and it is an important one.
	They are conducting a show trial for an invented insurrection.
	in America right now as we speak.
	Well, they may not be doing right now, but they're doing it right now.
	They are holding trials for no crimes that were committed to attack political opponents in the hopes of influencing the next election.
	That is what our elected representatives on the Democrat and the traitorous RINO side are doing.
	It's, I mean, it's show trials, kangaroo courts.
	Those are the things of banana republics and totalitarian states, not the United States of America.
	We're supposed to be better than this.
	And it's not like this is the first time.
	It's not like since Trump took office, the left's main function has been attacking him in impeachment one, acquitted.
	Impeachment two.
	Now we've got the January 6th committee hearings.
	They're not gonna, if they indict him, it'll be foolish because there's not a chance he can, even in DC, I don't think there's a chance he could be convicted.
	And it'll be a joke because at that point their show trial stops being a show trial and it becomes a chance for the other side, the truth, to actually come out because that's what they've got.
	They've got a pyramid of propaganda and lies and people who are willing to prostitute themselves to make political points against people who have committed no crimes.
	They're still arresting people for this garbage.
	There are still political prisoners in a gulag in our nation's capital.
	That's unacceptable.
	That is something that we have to fix.
	And we're doing it!
	We can't stop their show trial because they have Congress right now.
	But they will not have Congress come the end of November of this year.
	If we do our jobs right, we, you, all of our friends, everybody you can tell, gets up, votes, and puts a real Republican Congress in power and helps them put leadership in place with the guts to do something.
	We can fix this and we can make them pay.
	And that's what I want.
	I want pain for the bad guys and vindication for the good guys.
	That's what we together can do.
	So make it happen.
	I'm doing my part.
	You're doing yours.
	This is Jim Hansen.
	Day one of America First with me is in the bag.
	I'll be back tomorrow.
	I'm gonna steal Seb's line.

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