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June 21, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka
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Hi, and I'm Conchie, and I use she, her pronouns.
And we're here to talk about pronouns.
What is a pronoun?
A pronoun is how we identify ourselves apart from our name, and it's also how people refer to us in conversations.
Using the right pronouns is a really simple way to affirm someone's identity.
It is a signal of acceptance and respect.
That is a video under the term NAV Speaks.
The abbreviation for the Navy.
And it's not some woke military that isn't the Navy of Landloch-Lichtenstein or Vanuatu.
It's the U.S.
Navy.
Welcome, dear friends.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
This is America First.
We warned you of this over a year ago, when we showed you a video from the CNO, the Chief of Naval Operations, which he made in Navy combats, in his digital combat uniform, that was broadcast to the whole fleet, everyone in the Navy, for 12, 13, 14 minutes long, about battling racism in the U.S.
Navy, which, by the way, is illegal.
Why you would have to battle racism in a system that is utterly hierarchical and has banned it already by statute?
Well, it doesn't matter because Admiral Mike Gilday wasn't talking about anything real.
He was virtue signaling.
He was on bended knee in front of an ideological idol.
The idol of wokeism.
I'm not... I'm not satisfied with that word, woke.
A, because it's a good thing to be awake in common usage.
And second, it doesn't really communicate the invidious nature of what we are talking about.
The, as my wife calls, the next-gen Marxism that this really is.
The thought police aspect of it.
For example, in Fairfax County, they just passed a new regulation in the public schools that a child as young as six can be suspended from school if they use the wrong pronoun.
That video, which is about using the right pronoun, if you do it incorrectly as a child, you can be kicked out of school.
Now what is the right pronoun?
It's not a question of politics.
It's not a question of ideology.
It's a question of grammar and biology.
There are only two genders.
Only two sexes.
And they are the same thing.
They're not different.
They're not social constructs.
They are facts of life.
Biology determines gender.
Biology determines sex.
You can have masculine, tomboyish women, but they're still women.
You can have fey, feminine men, who aren't tough guys, but if they've got an XY chromosomal makeup, They're male.
From the point of conception until the moment they die.
And nothing can change that.
No hormone therapy.
No chemical castration with Lupron.
No surgery that mutilates the body of an otherwise completely healthy human being or even child.
Because yes, they're doing it to children now.
None of it changes your gender or your sex.
As a result, you have one of two options, he or she.
And to be grammatically correct, the male is referred to as he, and the female is referred to as she.
So as the Air Force posts tweets of their recruits running, doing PT under a rainbow flag, yes, a rainbow flag with no stars and stripes visible, Which itself should tell you something.
We have the Navy giving out lectures on respecting somebody whose pronoun is ZER is something made up because there are an infinite number of genders, don't you know?
The job of the military, whichever service it is, Is to prepare for battle.
And should that battle be unavoidable, to crush our enemies.
Period.
That's it.
End of story.
Our enemies think of war like that.
Normal nations that aren't controlled by an elite that hates their own nation and their own heritage know that.
The nations we may need to go to war with imminently or in five years or 50 years time understand that the nature of war is immutable.
That the history of mankind is based upon warfare.
As Thucydides told us more than 2,000 years ago, nations go to war and have done for the same three reasons since they existed.
Fear, honor and national interest.
Not gender pronouns.
So whether you're the People's Liberation Army in Beijing looking at the U.S.
Navy's latest video Whether you're the IRGC in Iran, or the KGB's new organization for foreign intelligence, the SVR, that is analyzing America's response to the invasion of Ukraine,
When you see the Air Force posting tweets of recruits running under a rainbow flag, not the American flag, a rainbow flag, one message is sent.
America is weak.
America is soft.
And if we take on America, should we invade Taiwan?
Should we invade the Baltic states next?
Or execute some mass casualty attack on U.S.
soil.
Or develop nuclear weapons with which to threaten America's ally in the Middle East.
America will be unprepared.
America's fighting forces will have spent time on being re-educated.
On white fragility.
On white rage.
Instead of learning just how effective is the next-gen fighter bomber the Chinese have developed, what is the new generational warfare model that the Russian General Staff has developed?
And what are the latest proxy forces associated with the IRGC and Hezbollah that are being deployed around the world?
America doesn't know.
Because America hasn't had time to look at those things.
Because we're too busy hating ourselves and worshipping a rainbow flag.
A rainbow flag which connotes fantasy, not God's covenant to us to never wipe out life on earth again, which was the original promise made to Noah and his family with that aerial phenomena.
No.
We're worshipping an unreality.
Something called transgenderism.
Multiple genders.
A fantasy.
A la-la land.
An unreality that makes us weak.
It's time to stop it, my friends.
You can do that.
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Mic's on.
Have you seen it?
Oh no.
Can you play me five, six, seven?
John.
All right.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
The reason these hearings are important is very simple.
This wasn't a one-off, and Trump hasn't forgotten.
If he gets the chance, he's gonna finish the job.
And this is one of the rare times you can say that about Trump.
He's not exactly a closer.
I'm not sure he ever technically finished any of his buildings.
I'm pretty sure that instead of putting fire alarms in his condos, he just painted them on.
But Trump has made it abundantly clear that he hasn't forgotten about the 2020 election, and he hasn't let it go.
If he gets the chance, he will absolutely finish the coup he started on January 6th.
Not the majority of them are saying that.
Come on, don't make things up, okay?
Now you sound like a Republican politician.
I'm joking.
That was a joke.
Put all kidding aside.
No, I don't think it is.
over the weekend president biden was on a bike ride you don't even need to do a joke - Yeah, yeah.
He's going for a bike ride near his beach house in Delaware when he took a little spill here.
Check this out if you haven't seen it.
- Oh, no! - Poor Biden.
Even his bike was like, I'm sorry, but I can no longer support you.
All right.
All right.
Cut 11.
Come in with that.
Cut 11, please.
Cut 11.
Donald Trump did not care about the threats of violence.
He did not condemn them.
He made no effort to stop them.
He went forward with his fake allegations anyway.
One more point.
I would urge all of those watching today to focus on the evidence the committee will present.
Don't be distracted by politics.
This is serious.
We cannot let America become a nation of conspiracy theories and thug violence.
Hey, CBass, what's up, man?
How's it going?
Mike, I don't know what you did, guys, or whether it's the fact that it's available online and not just through the app.
My account is exploding.
It's like 3,000, 4,000 followers a day.
It's nuts.
I don't even need to do a joke.
He's going for a bike ride near his beach house in Delaware when he took a little spill here.
Check this out if you haven't seen it.
Poor Biden.
Even his bike was like, I'm sorry, but I can no longer support you.
Late night comedy shows making fun of their fearless leader, slow Joe Biden?
How is that possible, Jimmy Fallon?
His bike doesn't even support him.
Is the tide turning?
We shall see.
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Not the best impression if you're trying to be serious.
Does it mean anything?
Is President Trump in jeopardy?
Let's ask the man who knows.
Truth-teller extraordinaire, now the CEO of the Trump Media Group's Truth Social, former chairman of the Intelligence House Committee, great friend of the show, Devin Nunes.
Welcome back.
Great to be back with you, CBass, as always.
So, we've got you for two segments.
We're going to talk about... You got a hint.
You're going to tease us about what's coming around the corner with Truth Social in the next segment.
I'm so grateful.
I don't know what you guys did behind the curtain, but I'm gaining two or three thousand follows a day.
Absolutely exploding.
People need to follow you on Truth Social.
People need to get an account.
But let's start with what's happening right now on Capitol Hill.
It's a circus.
Some of our callers have called it an inquisition, a star chamber.
I've got to ask you, as a pro on Capitol Hill, is this going to backfire in ways the Democrats do not expect?
Well, I have some other names I could call it, Seabass, but we won't do that since you're on the radio.
I don't want you to get bleeped out.
Look, the Congress has never seen anything like this.
It's never been done in history where the minority party, the Republicans in this case, don't get the ability to put the people they want on the committee.
So effectively, what you have, plain and simple, is you have judge, jury, prosecution, defense, all in one, along with the media who are just going along with this charade.
So, I think what's going to have to happen here, ultimately, is if the Republicans are successful in the fall, there's going to need to be a whole host of investigations, but especially around January 6th, and what the government and the Biden administration and the Democrats in Congress, everything that they've been doing, even some Republicans, or supposed Republicans, I need to look at how they're doctoring evidence, how they're manipulating people.
And look, we still don't know.
And I still say this.
Who's this Ray Epps guy?
That's all I want to know.
Tell me who he is.
For your listeners who don't know, he's the dude that was like actually some of the people that are out there the night before that were out walking around in Washington, D.C.
They knew he was a federal agent, right?
They started calling him, you know, a fed, a fed.
And then he's on the video, you know, waving people through.
And miraculously, there's no question this guy was instigating a riot And he's somewhere in the desert of Arizona on some compound that nobody seems to know what the hell he was doing there.
Well, after being at the top of the FBI's wanted list for a couple of weeks and then he just disappears and he's a free man.
Look, when you were on Capitol Hill, you're one of the guys we loved to have on the show because you weren't a politician.
You're a citizen first, a politician second, much in the mold of President Trump.
You know the heartbeat of your California constituents.
And I've got to ask you, how did they react?
Because, you know, you're back home, you're running Truth Social, when they see 800 Americans arrested, more than 100 still in solitary confinement in hellhole prisons not far from this studio.
And then we see the news break over the weekend from John Solomon that we have nine TV crew members arrested for breaching Congress after hours and the same the same DA's office in DC that is prosecuting and keeping these people in solitary for a year and a half said no no no no left-wing TV show crew members we're not going to prosecute.
How does that resonate with the people that you represented and now live with?
Yeah, well, look, I'm actually in Florida right now, and I've been actually traveling around the country doing meetings all over the country, obviously, when I am back home in California.
Look, and I forgot to mention that.
This is another issue that has to be taken up by the Republicans in Congress next year, is to look at the prosecution of these people, where they were held, why they were held for so long, why other people weren't arrested.
So I think people have kind of had enough of this.
And look, remember, All the time I spent in Washington, D.C., we had protests out there, rallies out there, every single day.
I was just, unfortunately, back in the swamp a couple weeks ago, and there were multiple rallies and protests that were out there.
So, the idea that President Trump or whoever can't hold a rally and say that he disagrees with the — thinks that the election was rigged, Which, you know, we now know there are serious questions about the election.
We won't get into that.
Everybody knows what those issues are that listens and watches your show on Rumble.
So, look, there's just a lot of investigating that has to be done here.
I think the American people are frustrated.
And as you know, the reason I left Congress was to open the internet back up, give people their voice back, so that this information can get out there.
Because I can guarantee you, on the other communist-owned platforms, Information about January 6th, about a whole Russia hoax, about the election, you name it, it gets censored on the other platforms.
It doesn't get censored on True Social.
And look, I always say, I think I've said it on your show a couple times, Seabass, but President Trump did not need a new company.
I didn't need a new job.
But the American people need to have the internet back open.
We got to get our voice back.
Yeah, absolutely, and it is seriously successful, working beautifully.
We're very grateful, not only to what you and President Trump have done with Truth Social, but also with Rumble when we were cancelled on YouTube because a guest dared to say something about the January 6th election.
Within four days, thanks to Chris, thanks to the whole team there, thanks to Dan Bongino as well, we were up and live streaming on Rumble.
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We'll be back with former chairman of the Intelligence Committee, CEO of the Trump Media and Technology Group, Devin Nunes, after these messages.
You can put the mics on.
Mics are still hot on rumble, Devin.
Yeah, you know what?
Chris is right outside.
I could throw him in here.
Oh, no way!
He's right outside the studio here.
Tell him hi.
I will.
I'll tell him hi.
Yeah, we're actually... You know, his headquarters is here in Sarasota, too.
And we're having a couple meetings this afternoon.
But are you going back and forth between Florida and California?
Yeah, I've actually been out here now for two weeks.
I was in I was in New Jersey with the with the boss.
I was in New York City, unfortunately, Washington, DC.
So been all over.
But But yeah, this is where our headquarters are.
So I'm going to get home later this week and probably stay home for about 10 days or so.
How what was the state of New York?
Oh, God, it's just miserable.
It's I mean, it's just Washington, DC is bad.
But I mean, the city just is It's just broken down, disgusting, and... I don't know, and the weather was actually good when I was there, but... I went to a... Are we on a commercial break?
We're on break, but we're streaming on Rumble.
The mics are still live on Rumble.
Yeah, alright.
Will you come in, Eric, with Cut 9?
Cut 9, yes.
Well, for all the Rumble people out there... Yeah, greetings, Rumblers!
Yeah, Chris is doing well, so he's glad that you guys are all watching.
So am I. Almost 800 of you guys today.
Welcome, welcome one and all.
Oh, you're live streaming it?
Yeah, we live right now.
Live right now in the breaks.
So the radio goes to whatever local radio commercial they have across the country, and then we keep the Rumble stream live.
All right.
Well, I was, yeah, and actually I was talking to Locals CEO too, which is an interesting platform.
So obviously Rumble's providing our, our backend, our cloud infrastructure and our videos.
So there's a call online one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I had a meeting with the Locals people yesterday.
All right.
90 seconds.
All right.
Play me cut eight quickly.
So before I let you go, can I ask you about Ron DeSantis?
I mean, it seems like Governor DeSantis wants to run.
You were very instrumental in getting him elected Governor of Florida.
And you're all about loyalty.
Can I ask you about Ron DeSantis?
I mean, it seems like Governor DeSantis wants to run.
You were very instrumental in getting him elected governor of Florida.
You know, and you're all about loyalty.
What are your thoughts on DeSantis running?
Well, I don't know that he wants to run.
No, I have a good relationship with Ron.
I don't know that he wants to run.
I haven't seen that.
You're telling me something that I have not seen.
So we'll see what happens.
But if he did, he did.
But no, I was very responsible for him getting elected, as you know.
All right.
All right.
Come in with nine.
Then I'm going to talk about merch, and then we go to Devin.
All right.
Come in with nine.
No liner.
Yeah.
And on Truth Social, you're just Devin, correct?
Uh, yeah, Devin Nunes is my fool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Kill mics. Kill mics.
Kill mics. Kill mics. Kill mics. Kill mics.
One of the greatest travesties of all is to see a person in the White House who, even after years of political experience, has absolutely no clue how to be the President of the United And I hope he has recovered because, as you know, he fell off his bicycle today.
No, I'm serious.
I hope he's okay.
Fell off a bicycle.
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We're back with Devin Nunes.
He is the CEO of the Trump Media and Tech Group, responsible for Truth Social.
Before you came on, we were chatting.
I just want to say thank you.
I'm nowhere close to your 733,000 followers follow him at DevinNunez, but my account, my modest little account, almost a quarter of a million followers already, but I can't keep up with what's happening every day.
It's two, three, four thousand followers.
Tell us about what's happening on the site, what we should expect in the future, when is it going to go to other platforms, messaging systems, so much is happening, it's so exciting.
Yeah, it really is.
And, you know, right now we're, we're basically just a feed where we don't use an algorithm.
So, you know, if you follow more than, if you're like me, you follow, I think I follow about 500 people, you know, you can't hardly keep up with the feed, right?
So, you know, it's a bit of a challenge.
So like if you post in the morning and I don't check it till, you know, till the evening, I don't know what you really said that day, unless I go to your page, right?
So what we're working on as a feature, Uh, that will allow for you to easily access, uh, folks that you interact with.
And so that's a feature that we're coming out with along with notifications and we're hopeful it's going to be, uh, be out by the 4th of July.
We're, we're pushing hard.
We've got our whole team working here on it to try to get it done, but it essentially kind of give you two features, um, that'll, that'll be good to go in and see and view content.
So that's the big feature that's coming up.
Obviously, people ask about the Android app.
We are working around the clock on that also.
And, you know, we're hopeful.
I don't want to give a date on that, but we're pushing it as fast as you can.
But I should say that even if you have an Android, you can go to truesocial.com and you can bookmark it.
So you can get it on your phone.
It's not as simple as going to Google Play Store.
But you can sign up, get your account, and interact with Sebastian Gorka and me, anybody else.
Guys, you can just do it through the web page even if you're on an Android.
I have one thing that I've noticed in just the last two weeks, Devon, that, you know, it was very much a MAGA crowd, an America First crowd.
Last couple of weeks, the trolls have arrived, the spoilers have arrived.
They're really rather perverse with the comments they make.
They have some sexual obsessions that are very, very strange.
I think it's an interesting sign that, you know, you've even got, you know, Gavin Newsom has got a true social account because you guys cannot be ignored.
Well, look, I wasn't going to say this, but, you know, Newsom is allowed on the platform.
He's not a troll, Seabass.
He's a governor of the state of California, which is a disaster.
But, you know, I don't, you know, I don't, like I said, you know, we don't censor people for political views.
So I actually welcomed him to the platform.
Um, so look, we're glad to have him.
And this is what, you know, having an open, free, you know, free speech, open town square is all about.
So it's probably, look, there's been a lot of people on there.
I think most people have been pretty respectful to him.
But look, he's on there and you can express your grievances with him.
But the bottom line is this is how it should be.
We may think, as you said, he's been a disaster for California.
He is the elected governor.
And so he is allowed on the platform.
Yeah.
Well, and as CEO of Truth Social, right, taking off my political hat, I mean, with my real job now, I mean, look, we want people like that to come on the platform.
We're not going to censor people.
Right, right.
No, that's the difference.
That's the difference between Twitter and Truth Social and Facebook and Instagram and Truth Social.
No censorship, as it should be, as social media was meant to be in the beginning.
But then they got political.
I want to do it every time you're on a show.
Thank you for what you did on Capitol Hill.
God bless you, Devin Nunes.
Get your Truth Social account today and follow Devin and all of our buddies on a platform that really is about the First Amendment and America.
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All right, that was superb. that was superb.
We'll send you the links later tonight.
Yeah, I'll get them posted on Truth.
Just get it over to me.
And thanks again to all the Rumblers out there.
Yep.
And any time, just tell us if you want to come on and say hi to Chris.
Alright, I will.
I'll do that now, Sebas.
Thanks, guys.
God bless.
Alright.
Uh, titles.
Um, what did he say?
He used the phrase in the first segment.
What did he say?
There was a phrase he used.
Something about January 6th?
I'm not sure if it was.
There's a call on Leonardo's on Line 5.
Oh, did I give you a thing for the A Block?
No, you did not.
Or the Joe Victoria.
The Joe Victoria.
Oh, is...
J6 is President Trump in legal jeopardy.
Who's that for?
For Joe Victoria.
Okay.
President Trump in legal jeopardy.
Okay.
And then for the A Block... They're all laughing at the US Navy now.
And then for Devin.
Devin.
One minute.
One minute.
Forty-five.
Let me think.
Okay.
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Okay.
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Let's go to your calls!
Let's run down the line.
Line one.
John, South Carolina.
Here we have the Sebastian who puts the orca in Gorka.
Oh, don't do that!
They used to make fun of me at school.
No, no, no.
I was rather large as a boy, so they used to make fun of me.
No, no, you should take pride in being an orca.
Orcas are great creatures.
They are, they are.
They are rather majestic, rather majestic.
And of course, the name of that rather unfortunate fishing vessel from the Greatest Shark movie.
Okay, well, we won't go down that path down here.
Let's go back to what I called about.
One of the things I am really curious about is, are we ever going to be able to prosecute the prosecutors who have wrongly imprisoned people and suspended habeas corpus without justifiable means to do so?
Are we ever going to be able to prosecute them?
And who's ever made a case to do that?
Yeah, so this is a fabulous question.
It kind of echoes on the call we had end of last week about can we prosecute members of the cabinet, especially Alejandro Mayorkas, for everything they've done to aid and abet the cartels, the human traffickers, and can we hold them responsible for the more than 120,000 overdose deaths that they permitted by opening our borders.
Now, I'd have to ask constitutional lawyers when it comes to federal positions, cabinet members, if there's some kind of executive immunity.
When it comes to local prosecutors, that's a whole different kettle of fish, John, and I guess it would be down to the local statutes at the state and county and municipality level, you know, if these individuals are open to legal jeopardy after they lose office.
I would think it changes from state to state, from county to county.
We need to deal with this.
We really do.
Let me throw out something else real quick before I go.
The next time you get the urge to say legacy media, let me suggest that you suggest the actual malice media and see exactly how well they take that because they get that as a reference to the fact that they're overriding The New York Times versus Sullivan decision and whether they're engaging in actual malice.
And you have to argue that they are.
So the next time the legacy media comes up, try that one.
The actual malice media.
John, John, John, John.
Actually, my phrase is legacy lying media.
I do like this actual malice reference to the media, but the trouble is they're too stupid to realize what you're talking about, John.
I don't know.
If I can get it, maybe anybody can.
How about the malfeasance media?
Or the mendacious media?
Or the malpractice media?
The malfeasance media.
That has a kind of rushism quality to it.
Well, now, I didn't steal it from him.
How about the Piranha Press?
I didn't say you stole it from him.
I'm saying you had echoes.
Echoes on.
Okay, one more quick thing, and this is a key thing.
This is your third thing!
Judy's gonna get really angry at me!
I'm throwing out good ones, and this is a very good one.
In South Carolina, we have something called the constables.
We have state constables.
And they are essentially reserve police officers who have undergone training.
And they were active members of various police departments or law enforcement agencies.
Why can't we train teachers and staff to be constables?
So they're able to keep their training up, and they're actually able to make arrests, and they're able to plug into various law enforcement agencies.
And maybe have a radio unlike the chief of police who arrived at Uvalde without his radio.
It's a great question.
If Ukraine can get $40 billion, maybe we can get a constable in every school.
Great suggestions.
Gotta move on.
Stay safe, my friend.
Brian, Ohio, line 2.
Dr. Gorka, Dr. Brian, how are you?
Good, good.
I've never talked to you.
Good, good.
What's your question?
What's your comment?
That, you know, the rainbow.
Remember, you talked about the rainbow?
Yeah.
That's our rainbow.
Yes.
You can't have it.
Yes, it is our rainbow.
It's the Christian symbol of the new covenant between God and Noah.
The promise was that God would never again destroy the earth by water.
Yep.
He will destroy it again, but this next time it's going to be by fire.
So all the climate change guys are going to have a real hard time and bad day with that.
Or it may be drag queens.
You never know.
It may be drag queens they're going to destroy the earth with.
What is it with this drag queen story hour?
Have you seen that?
Yeah, I've been talking about it every single flipping day practically and my wife ran for a local position because of the drag queen story hour at our local library.
I just heard about it last night, and I thought it was a joke.
And I woke it up, and I'm like, oh my god!
There's an assemblyman in California who wants to make it mandatory in public schools in California to have drag queens floor the air.
It's absolutely insane, but people are waking up.
Thank you, Brian.
It's Squeezin' Victor, Silver Springer, Good Bunny, Line 3.
Hey Sebastian, I can hear you live now by going on my Alexa and getting AM 870.
Ha ha ha!
Excellent!
We love that, especially when Chris Plant is on holiday, right?
Yes!
How dare he go on holiday?
How dare he go on holiday?
So what I wanted to tell you is that Dan Cox is running for governor of Maryland and he's a 100% Trump supporter.
I've heard his ads on the Chris Plancho and other stations in Maryland.
Is there any way we can get the Donald to come to Maryland and campaign for him?
Interesting.
All right, let me get our most serious political investigator on the case.
Let Mr. G give his stamp of approval to Dan.
Ooh!
What's that?
Thumbs down, Mr. G?
Quick, give us a little hint.
What's the thumbs down?
Initially, that's the state I live in.
He likes to say he's an outsider and all this.
Most people, they don't co-county chairs this, that run for delegates all the time.
So is he swamp?
Is he swamp?
I don't know, but I don't think he's swamp.
What he's trying to portray himself as.
All right, well, let's check him out.
Let's do a little bit of debilitating.
Check him out.
We will.
Thank you, Victor.
But as a resident of Maryland, Mr. G may have some of the facts on his side.
We're going to go back to your calls momentarily.
Line one is lighting up.
We'll get to Sylvia Leonardo as well.
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It wasn't just a thumbs down, it was a double thumbs down.
I mean, I just don't see it with him.
His ads are like, I am more Trump than Trump.
Trump has endorsed him, apparently.
Oh yeah?
Yeah, along with Doug Mastriano and a few others.
What is his position now?
He's on county committees?
He's a state delegate.
Well, we could do a Yonkin.
We could have him on the show and grill him.
No, he is running as a Trump.
I just don't feel like if he somehow won would be that.
Oh, he'll come on here.
He'll do the opposite of Junkin.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah.
He'll say, I'm Super Mega.
Yeah.
Aye, aye, aye.
One minute. - Yeah.
Have you seen the original Gritens ad, Jeff?
No, I've not.
I need to see that.
I haven't seen it either.
It looks awesome.
I'm willing to bet he probably did it to get that kind of reaction out of the media because he knew, like, they wouldn't be able to resist talking about it.
Oh, I'm sure.
I doubt he really kicked down a door, like Joe Scarborough said.
And they said the ad, like always, that it was just so bad they couldn't show it.
That's what they do with everything.
Oh, that's right, when they never show it.
Who's this fascism?
A beady-eyed man cried.
Well, yeah, but that's because he's a rhino.
Right.
He hates it.
You got it, that deep term?
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Hi, Dr. G, how are you?
Good, but you're on a speakerphone, and that angers me.
Now I'm not.
How are you?
Good.
I've been washing my hands.
I'm sorry.
That's all right.
You have been on hold.
That is excusable.
I just want to talk about something that was connected to the beginning of your program.
I went into a certain place the other day just to get an iced coffee and I walked in and I was standing there for a couple of minutes and the two baristas were standing there and hadn't come to me yet so I said excuse me young lady and the other barista that was a male that was talking with her said don't call them that and I said call them what?
Don't call them young lady.
I said, she is a young lady, just like you're a young man.
There's only two genders, male and female.
I said, I think you're confused and you might be a little bit too confused to make my coffee.
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Leonardo, line five.
Hey, buddy.
How you doing?
I'm just so happy.
I was nauseous watching Watermelon Head Chef and Dogface Chaney there.
Leo, Leo, Leo.
I was watching it this morning.
What has happened to that guy's head?
It is circular.
Adam Chef, according to Mr. G, is a vegan.
How can you have a round head if you eat vegetables your whole life?
It's from all the snowflake crying.
It just swells.
Nothing sounds like serious professional political commentary than an African-American woman who is overweight, sporting her Juneteenth purple hair.
It's just classic.
What am I getting back?
Yeah, well look, it's up to us.
Let's win the midterms.
Let's have everybody flood the zone with America First candidates at the local level, county level, you name it.
The local library.
That's how they did it.
Then we flood the zone.
We win the Senate.
We win the House.
President Trump declares he is running and then he strolls back into the White House.
But it's up to us.
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with the one and only Lord Conrad Black.
Thank you.
We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
Let me say it again.
The 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.
Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
I think millions of Americans know something went wrong, and they have little pieces, and no one's really put it together.
I'm agnostic on this question, and I am awaiting more information.
If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
Bold accusations require bold evidence, and they haven't seen it.
We have been working on something big.
Show me the money.
Can we meet?
I've been working with Greg Phillips.
He has a deep background in election intelligence.
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No one has more data than we do.
We identified in Atlanta 242 mules that went to an average of 24 drop boxes.
But Philadelphia alone, we've identified more than 1,100 mules.
What is a mule?
A person picking up ballots and running them to the drop boxes.
This is not grandma out walking her dog.
Bad backgrounds, bad reputations.
They are interested in one thing, that's money.
And in no shape, in no way, in no time is that legal.
This is organized crime.
Do you have video evidence?
Four million minutes of surveillance video around the country.
What you're about to see is disturbing.
So this is 1 o'clock in the morning.
Don't we all vote at 1 o'clock in the morning?
One night, this person, this mule, went across six counties to 27 different drop boxes.
I call it the Mexican Mafia, seriously.
Because they work like that.
This is jaw-dropping.
What you showed is frightening.
It's just sickening to me.
Now we come to the most important question of all.
Was the magnitude of vote trafficking enough to tip the balance in the 2020 presidential election?
It's not a leap to say this would have made a difference.
They have ruined Election Day in the United States of America.
That's provable.
And that's enough for me to fight the left with every fiber in my body.
Without free and fair elections, we are not a democracy.
We are a criminal cartel masquerading as a democracy.
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Conrad.
Yes, sir.
Greetings.
How are you doing?
Good, good, good, good.
I've been enjoying your podcast with VDH, especially your observations on military strategy in Ukraine were very, very illuminating.
Oh, thank you.
Can we talk 2000 Mules?
I'm sorry?
Can we talk about the movie 2000 Mules?
Yeah, I don't, you know, I Watched it pretty casually in a couple of weeks ago, so I mean I Don't ask me to give the detail of the movie, but I mean the whole subject by all means, yes.
Excellent, and then we'll talk about your Epoch Times piece, and we'll talk about the hearings.
Oh, and I'm gonna use the Liz Cheney cut, Eric, here.
I'll tee it up.
Yeah, that's cut 11.
Yep.
Yep.
Alright, 50 seconds.
You know, Sebastian, I don't like attacking Peggy Noonan because I like her personally, and we had a nice exchange over another thing a couple of weeks before, but she's smarter and more rational than most of them, but they've gone crazy.
They're getting really desperate.
Well, let's just, you know, let's analyze the five tentpoles that you mentioned in the article.
Let's just walk through them.
Excellent, okay.
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Welcome back to the show.
Thank you, Sebastian.
We have so much to discuss with regards to January the 6th, your latest piece in the Epoch Times, the Trump haters are now desperate, but first, because it was so remiss of me, before you came on the show last week, we agreed in the break, in the interstitials, that I would ask you your reaction to the movie 2000 Mules, and we just ran out of time and I completely forgot, so you received the DVD, you've seen it, your response to Dinesh D'Souza's movie?
I thought it was very well-researched, well-organized, persuasive, convincing, everything that the current ludicrous, horrifying mockery of a proceeding on the January 6th Committee and the House of Representatives is not.
And I suppose predictably, but regrettably, it's not getting as much attention as it deserves.
I think it makes a very powerful, well-documented, evidence-based case for what went on in voting and vote counting in some of the swing states.
But, you know, it's very hard getting any sort of a reasonable window for the Trump side of things in the national media nowadays.
Because, oddly enough, even though they ostensibly won the last election, they did get their men installed.
They are now more desperate than ever as they see what a debacle is happening in the administration and how, if the Republicans gain as heavily as is anticipated in November, we're going to have President, former President Trump as the president presumptive going forward.
And, and, and, And they can't do it all again.
Every trick they had in their bag of tricks, everything they tried, and they can't do it again.
So the idea, having seen the summary by Dinesh, the clips of the CCTV camera footage, the geolocating data, the test run that was used to solve a murder case, the idea that any question with regards to the 2020 election means you're a conspiracy theorist, Conrad, your response to that accusation?
It's the customary, desperate, primal screen technique of people who got away with the most colossal electoral shenanigans in the history of the country.
Now, it must be said, there have been a number of American elections that were not the most salubrious that one would wish.
I mean, at least Al Gore got a hearing in court.
Mr. Nixon, though advised by President Eisenhower and others to challenge the result, and in both cases, as in 2020, we don't really know who won.
You don't know.
We know who apparently won, but it's not clear who really won.
Mr. Nixon took the very patriotic decision, typical of him, that it would be bad for the country and he wouldn't do it.
He wouldn't subject the country to that.
Here, it was a straight sandbag job.
And what Trump did was attempt to point out that there were real doubts about the constitutionality of voting and vote counting changes and the legality of some of the vote counting techniques in key places.
Supposedly most of it under the cover of COVID, but really to rig the election.
And this should be looked at seriously.
Now he made tactical errors.
I don't believe he won the common popular vote.
He shouldn't have said that he did.
I think, unfortunately, Rudolph Giuliani was not the right guy to lead the litigation.
Trump warned months in advance of the dangers of ballot harvesting, and he didn't have a proper legal or, you know, invigilating team on the ground on Election Day.
But with all that said, he's the wrong party, and what was done was a screwjob.
And it looks very suspect, so those who did it Naturally shriek like banshees when it's suggested that that's what they might have done.
It's a standard response of guilty people and I thought Dinesh did a very good job of showing it.
Well that's just in case the people have forgotten what the Democrats think of questioning elections.
Allegedly we're not allowed to do that as conservatives.
Here's a little montage of Democrats after the 2016 election.
Cut three.
I have an objection because 10 of the 29 electoral votes cast by Florida were cast by electors not lawfully certified.
I object to the votes from the state of Wisconsin which should not be legally certified.
Say no debate.
Mr. President, I object to the certificate from the state of Georgia on the grounds that the electoral votes were not... There's no debate.
There's no debate.
I object to the certificate from the state of North Carolina.
I object to the 15 votes from the state of North Carolina.
I object.
I object to the certificate from the state of Alabama.
The electors were not lawfully certified.
Is it signed by a senator?
Not as of yet, Mr. President.
In that case, the objection cannot be entertained.
The objection cannot be entertained.
The debate is not in order.
There is no debate in order.
Is it signed by a senator?
There is no debate.
There is no debate in the joint session.
There is no debate.
Please come to order.
The objection cannot be received.
Section 18, Title 3 of the United States Code prohibits debate in the joint session.
I do not wish to debate.
I wish to ask is there one United States Senator who will join me in this letter of objection?
There is no debate.
There is no debate.
The gentlewoman will suspend.
Those are all Democrats questioning the results of the 2016 election.
One of them at the beginning was Jamie Raskin of Maryland, who is one of the members of the Inquisition on January 6th today.
Lord Black, are we meant to think that they believe we have no long-term memory and can't remember what they said just five years ago?
Well, I guess that's probably it.
I mean, Raskin is one of the absolute front-running Trump-haters of all of them.
He's a rabid Trump-hater.
By the way, I would say this.
If, as I assume is the case, The person saying no debate and ruling them out of order was the then Vice President Al Gore.
No, no, no.
Biden!
It was Biden!
It was Biden.
Oh, it was Biden?
I see.
I beg your pardon.
Yeah, it was Biden.
Okay.
Because I think Gore was the presiding figure when the Electoral College met in 2000.
And I don't think there was as much dispute because it was, after all, a Supreme Court decision they were dealing with.
But, you know, I think Gore handled it in a sportsman-like fashion.
Every gavel that you heard being hit there was actually Biden with Paul Ryan sitting behind him.
Yeah, but Biden wasn't a party in interest.
I mean, he was a Democrat, but he wasn't a candidate in the late election.
But, yeah, look, that's what they do.
I mean, you know, it's a completely unequal set up as between what is tolerable and acceptable from the two different sides.
I mean, the whole Democratic line has been all along that Trump is an evil man.
Everybody knows he is evil, deranged and malignant in every respect, orange man bad.
And therefore, he must always be investigated all the time, harassed in every way, impugned, defamed and obstructed.
And it is not only quite fair for the Democrats to do that, it is their patriotic duty, and it is a good thing they're doing it, because everybody knows Trump is bad, and therefore you don't go through the normal contest between political sides on a basis of equality.
Yeah, the question that I have for you is somebody who's suffered at the hands of overzealous prosecutors in America who's written eloquently about the need for judicial reform.
Do you have a sense that there's actually any legal jeopardy for President Trump at this point?
Yes, but not a great one.
I mean, I thought that the Attorney General Merrick Garland said, as Much as he dared, and as little as he could, when he said he was watching proceedings on television closely, with the implication that if he saw something that might be actionable criminally, he would leap at it.
The fact is it's complete nonsense.
The director of the FBI, Ray, said a couple of weeks after January 6th that they'd gone all through it.
There was no connection at all between these hooligans and the Trump Organization or the Trump campaign or Trump himself.
And despite all of this preposterous, nauseating mockery of an official proceeding that has been going on.
They haven't got anything tracing Trump or anyone.
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We'll be back with Lord Black in a moment.
About what?
Uh, who knows.
Mic's are on.
Oh, boy.
Maybe he'll finally do something about the Supreme Court protests.
I doubt it.
Yeah, hard doubt.
Alright, we'll discuss your article next, Conrad.
Okay.
Can you talk now?
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're live on the breaks on the video.
Yeah.
Well, um...
You see, my theory for what it's worth is that when we get everybody nominated, we're through the primaries and everyone knows who the candidates are.
I assume Trump is going to barnstorm the country supporting the Republican candidates and on top of his Successful endorsements of, I think, 95 people now.
I think he'll play a role in what he is shaping up as a tidal wave year.
And when the dust settles, you know, the election night of the day after the election, I think you're going to be sitting there with solid Republican majorities in both houses of Congress.
A great many elected Republicans with a considerable debt of gratitude to Trump.
And the Democrats with no more mud to sling.
I mean, the stupid January 6th committee will vanish down the plumbing.
The last shot they've got is if they can get Garland to lay a charge.
Spurious though it will be, it could tie Trump up through the election or into the election.
But I think they don't have anything, and despite the Terrible problems with the U.S.
criminal justice system.
Frivolously and vexatiously indicting a former president for the evident purpose of making it impossible for him to seek re-election would be a disgrace too great even for the Democrats.
I think Garland was a former senior judge.
He's been very disappointing as Attorney General, but I just don't think he would stoop to that.
Yeah, but you're being logical, I'm afraid.
That's your mistake.
I'm certainly not overconfident.
I'm just giving you my best call.
But is it possible that they'll try and throw a charge?
It is possible.
It is.
It is possible.
But it would be a completely ludicrous charge.
It would.
It would.
It would be a fabrication, but they just want to gum the works up.
Well no, tie him up through the election or into the election.
It's too late for him to run.
But it's so telling that the chairman and Cheney are completely on the wrong, different hymn sheets.
That he says, Benny says, we're not going to have any criminal referrals and within 24 hours at least Cheney says the opposite, which is incredible.
Yeah.
Good old Benny.
I guess in that group he's, you know, a relatively prestigious figure, but he's a raving partisan too.
Oh my gosh.
And he just, he doesn't even know how to call a committee hearing to order.
I mean, the guy's been there for three decades and he doesn't even know the verbiage.
All right.
Standby.
Come in.
He's from a town of 500 people in Mississippi.
Right.
Come in with cut 11, Eric.
Come in with cut 11.
No liner.
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Donald Trump did not care about the threats of violence.
He did not condemn them.
He made no effort to stop them.
He went forward with his fake allegations anyway.
One more point.
I would urge all of those watching today to focus on the evidence the committee will present.
Don't be distracted by politics.
This is serious.
We cannot let America become a nation of conspiracy theories and thug violence.
No, we can't have conspiracy theories and thug violence.
We can't be Russia, Russia, Russia collusion and BLM Antifa.
That would be awful, Liz Cheney, wouldn't it?
Hardly surprising.
I think she's 30 points down.
In comparison to her primary challenger in Wyoming, I think it is the twilight of her political career.
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Lord Black again.
Before we get to your article, just a reaction to Liz Cheney saying we mustn't give in to conspiracy theories and thug violence after the last four years.
It's just rank hypocrisy and frankly I don't know what's possessed here.
When I first saw her on television as a statewide office being the congressman from Wyoming, I was rather impressed with her, and I was always rather an admirer of her father's, and I know him slightly, and I like him too.
And so I, you know, I had a bias in her favor, and it seemed that she would, you know, really, really be very good and was going places.
And she's just one of these people who simply snaps on the subject of Trump.
She just flipped her cork, and as I've written, Not of her particularly, but there's a group of them.
They're easy to identify.
They should be like medieval lepers with bells in their heads, warning people when they approach.
But if you mention the word Trump, a little trap door opens in her forehead and a cuckoo bird flies out and they start raving nonsense.
And that's what she does.
Well, let's talk about one of the others that you address in your latest piece for the Epoch Times.
It's the Trump haters are now desperate, where we're posting it on our Twitter and Facebook pages.
It's addressing a friend of yours, Peggy Noonan's writings, and you talk about five thin vibrating tent poles that hold up the porous canvas of Trump denial.
Let's just list these and then you can expand on them.
Number one, 2020 was a pristine election that you can't question.
Number two, Trump was trying to overturn the election results by intimidation on January 6th.
There's no merit in the Trumpism without Trump argument.
His administration was a complete failure in every policy area.
And that lastly, his scores of millions of supporters don't really support him.
Let's start with that last one.
Even Kissinger has admitted that not since Eisenhower have we seen a political politician be able to physically mobilize the masses of numbers that we see with President Trump, Lord Black.
Actually, in fairness, what Henry said was, not since Roosevelt.
But not since Roosevelt, yes.
Eisenhower and Reagan could pull pretty good crowds, but not like Trump does.
By the way, when you see even Kissinger, Henry Kissinger is not hostile to Trump.
No, he's not exactly completely America first, but yes, he was in the White House a lot when I was there.
Yeah.
I mean, this is true.
It's strange.
It seems to me, I mean, we're all, as we've discussed before, unlicensed psychiatrists, so, you know, we're imputing and attributing motives to people, but it seems to me that one of the sort of placebos that the Trump haters administer to each other, to themselves, is that
Even if it was not the case that it's just like some dreadful meteor that passed over the sky and vanished, and the day after Inauguration Day it's back to business as normal, bring back the Bushes and the, you know, McConnells and Romneys and so forth, even if that appears not to be happening, what they say is, well, it's not a meteor, but it's a melting iceberg, and his support is melting all the time.
And, you know, I believe he's endorsed 95 candidates, 92 of them have won, where they've been decided their primaries.
And yet they try and present the view that's a very mixed picture because of the problems in Georgia.
You know, the fact is, any polls show, and because most of the polls are taken by left-wing organizations, you don't see them that much, but they all show Trump leading everybody, leading Biden, leading all the other Republicans.
And, I mean, just how, you know, we're only four and a half months from the next midterm.
How can you sit there and say that Trump's support has melted away?
I mean, it hasn't.
Wherever he goes, there are big crowds.
Most of his endorsements are ratified by the primary voters.
And all the polls show he's leading everybody in both parties.
So where the hell do you get off of this theory that his followers don't like him anymore?
Phantasmagoria, or just denial, is the other tentpole of the fact that his administration was a failure.
How can anyone who says that they're a conservative of any ilk make that statement, Conrad?
Well, this is really baffling.
And, you know, good old Peggy, and I have great liking and admiration for her, and she rendered great service in the Reagan administration.
But she actually, if you read her piece in the Wall Street Journal, she actually blames the ramp-up of illegal immigration under Biden on Trump.
That was the one that really flipped me.
I mean, what on earth is she talking about?
But if you look at the fact that Trump practically ended illegal immigration, and look at it now at the rate of over 2 million a year, just flooding in.
And declare that to be something of Trump's fault, then you disqualify yourself from being taken seriously on this subject.
But that's just the Trump haters' view of things.
What they do is they put the word Trump as the subject of a sentence, and impute to him everything that is evil, regardless of any relationship it might have with the facts.
I'm still looking for that silver bullet answer.
I don't know if it's a snobbery, if it's a class issue thing, but the truly demented arguments that these people come up with when it is a denial of the truth to say things such as the border regime.
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If we unleash our inner psychiatrist, Conrad, for the likes of Noonan, what do you think it is?
Do you think it is a class issue?
No, I think it is... She, you know, she fervently admired Ronald Reagan.
Yeah.
And I think that anyone who is president who doesn't measure up to him It's just not on.
And Reagan was such an amiable, courteous gentleman who, as he said, his 11th commandment is, speak no ill of a fellow Republican, and so on.
And in many ways, while Donald Trump is pro-Reagan and voted for Reagan, Um, you know, he's not, his personality's very different.
I, since we're doing what you say, I think Peggy just, just can't, you know, she just can't abide a person who is so un-Reagan-ish, and she resents what she thinks is his, Indignities inflicted upon the presidency.
I understand that up to a point, but you don't get so carried away by that sentiment that you...
You impute to Trump the failures of his opponents and the successors.
But she's also breaking Reagan's 11th commandment.
Herself.
She is, yeah.
You're right.
And you know, she was pretty good in the 2016 campaign.
She went out to a number of election meetings of Trump's out in Long Island and things and said, you can see the appeal of this man.
There's no doubt of it.
Yeah, so strange.
why people like him, the right to like him.
I mean, he's speaking for people that have been essentially ignored by the political establishment.
She was, you know, she's a smart lady, and she had it right at the start.
But somewhere about two years into the Trump presidency, she just snapped.
And, you know, something happened, but I don't know what.
Yeah, so strange, so strange.
She did say in the nice exchange I had with her that we'll all be on the same side, if not in 2024, certainly by 2028.
I mean, she's not a bad person.
She's a good person.
She's just a kook on this issue.
But my God, some of these people are, it's just scandalous what they've done.
Yeah, no, it is.
Some things really there are no excuse for, especially saying that he was, you know, a policy failure.
I mean, this is... You can't say that.
He was very successful.
Yeah.
All right.
Thank you, Conrad.
Lots of fun.
Sebastian, I'll be in England the next two weeks, so I'll miss two Tuesdays, but then I'll be back.
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News from Twitter!
The board has unanimously voted to recommend to shareholders that they approve of Elon Musk's $44 billion takeover.
So, looks like he's not giving up, and looks like the board is on his side.
More news from the Musk camp.
Elon, this is from the Daily Mail, of course.
A British newspaper knows about We're Canadian, American, South African more than we do here with our fake news legacy lying media.
Elon Musk's transgender child 18.
How is it child 18?
Hmm.
Maybe somebody should fix that headline.
Files court documents to change name and distance themselves, themselves from him.
Okay, grammar.
Let's explain the fallacious grammar in that headline.
Elon Musk's 18-year-old son, Xavier Musk, has filed paperwork in Santa Monica seeking to legally change, oh my gosh, their gender, you mean his gender, from male to female and lose Oh, Daily Mail?
You were a normal newspaper when I was a kid!
What is this garbage?
Did you join the US Navy?
Are you now politically correct with your pronouns?
From male to female and lose their name, stating, quote, I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form.
The transgender teenager explained that they he wishes to take their mother's last name to distance distance them oh my gosh from their dad this is a psychosis it's not their dad it's not two people it's a guy who thinks he's a girl
Mr. G had a fascinating theory about all of this insanity, the transgender radicalism, Xavier, the son of Elon Musk, and the Twitter deal.
Mr. G, pray tell, what is your theory?
First of all, the Daily Mail actually reported that the best.
I told you I had to read four articles for this.
You couldn't work out what gender, right?
Yes, I was trying to figure out.
I didn't know if it was a daughter or a son, but my I've been kind of curious why Elon Musk had this big turn and why he was taking over Twitter.
This makes a lot of sense because it's not like he just found out about this.
This has probably been going on for about a year or so.
Right, so let me just interrupt this.
So he's about the same age as me, he's like 50, and he's been completely apolitical for 40, 35 years.
Suddenly he starts tweeting stuff that's libertarian or mildly conservative, then he does this big surprise deal for Twitter, and you think it's connected to Xavier?
Yes, and a lot of it's not really just conservative, it's mostly just pushing him back against the left, this woke nonsense, and if you're the richest guy in the world, something like that happens, that hits home to you, and he says, you know what, I'm gonna try and make a difference about it, and he's gonna try and buy Twitter.
I love it.
I love it.
I think you could be right.
I think if you're experiencing the personal fallout of woke insanity at home, you respond, you've got scads of money, billions and billions of dollars of money, and you see that one of the primary sources of that insanity is social media and Twitter.
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Oh, yeah.
What a dick.
It's nothing like insulting somebody live on TV who you say is a friend of yours.
Mm-hmm.
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What kind of person insults somebody they call their friend on live television?
The kind of scum that is Piers Morgan.
He's blocked me, by the way, on Twitter.
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Hey, Dr. T.
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Welcome back.
So anyways, I just had, I just had to say that kid, Xavier Musk is going to change his tune when it comes to inheriting daddy's money.
Yeah.
Yes, yes.
The filthy Luca.
The money may make him change his mind.
But look, he's been captured by the cult, April.
Well, yeah.
But you know what?
Money talks.
It does, but he's 18 years old and he's confused.
He thinks he's going to find happiness by mutilating himself or taking estrogen or I don't know what.
But yeah, the money may change his mind.
We will see.
Thank you, April.
Let's go to Mike in Detroit.
Welcome aboard, Mike.
Dr. Gorka.
Yeah, Dr. Gorka.
You know, I think one thing people are kind of missing with this, the desperation of Democratic Party and this show trial and distraction and so on, is if we take power, when we take power, if there are real investigations into the umbrella of really The Democratic Party of the political corruption, criminal corruption, personal corruption, sedition, and treason, all of the above can be proven.
I think they're terrified of that, but I think that the RINOs are going to have to show a little bit of parachahuneness here, and they're going to have to follow through on some of that, because these people are not going to reform themselves.
And their party can be dismantled.
By holding them accountable through the legal process.
And I know that's wishful thinking, but otherwise it's going to be roadblock after roadblock, whether we get elected or not.
I just hope they're not going to reach across the aisle and say, we forgive you.
How about some work togetherness and stuff like that?
And instead reach across with a pair of handcuffs.
Which is what they deserve.
I know that.
But hang on, hang on, hang on, Mike.
You said if the rhinos find their cojones.
But that's an oxymoron.
They don't have any.
That's why they're rhinos.
Right?
Yeah, well, hopefully.
You know, we've got some young Republicans that are pretty fearless, you know.
Yeah, but they're not in leadership positions.
They haven't done their time.
It's all about time served on Capitol Hill.
Yes, it is.
Yes, it is.
But you have to have those denizens of the swamp.
Well, you know, I don't know.
I don't know.
But, you know, I know that...
You know, there has to be some accountability.
There does, but that's the question.
Is there accountability in this city where Michael Sussman, who lied to the FBI, is acquitted by a jury of Hillary campaign donors and people whose children were on the same sports team with the accused?
That's the question.
Is there accountability in this fetid swamp?
We shall see.
It's up to us.
Let's go to Line Oh no, we've lost that call.
Let's go to Eric.
Eric, are you moonlighting?
Do you do work on the side, outside of America first?
Times are tough these days, Dr. G. I gotta have some side hustles, man.
It's the gas prices, right?
More or less, among many, many, many other woes.
All right, so you've got a piece at one of our favorite websites, American Greatness.
I can't believe that I have to mention this again.
Wokeness in the Military.
We opened the show with a video from the U.S.
Navy, but it's not just the Navy, is it, Eric?
No, it is not.
It's the West Point cadets being taught by the U.S.
Army.
They are now being forced to learn about critical This comes from our friends at Judicial Watch, who successfully obtained over 600 documents after suing the Department of Defense, mostly containing lessons that they are being taught about whiteness, among the other slides they showed.
But not, the critical race theory is a bad thing, right?
This is being taught to them as a good thing.
Yes, this is being taught as fact, and whiteness is being taught as the bad thing, among other things.
One slide says, quote, in order to understand racial inequality and slavery, It is first necessary to address whiteness and the take-for-grantedness of whiteness.
Hang on, hang on, what?
The take-for-grantedness?
That's the first.
I haven't heard that one either.
I mean, the left loves to make up new words.
That's their thing.
Is there any reaction?
Because I know Judicial Watch got this, they got the documents, then they gave it to Fox, and then you wrote it out for Chris and the guys at American Greatness.
Is there any response?
Have you seen any response from the DOD or from the superintendent at West Point?
They have not yet released any statement.
Fox News Digital reached out to DOD for comment and has yet to hear anything back from them.
Wow.
Alright, stay on the case.
I know you've got so many other things to do, but I need to see some of those primary source documents.
And God bless the people at Judicial Watch for getting those documents.
This is the reality.
The most prestigious military academy in the world.
You know, Sandhurst is a little bit different.
That's just nine months.
It's not four years college equivalency.
The UK does things a little bit differently.
But the idea that the most prestigious military academy in the world Is teaching that the race, the majority race of this nation is in some way guilty.
That skin color is determinative of character, of politics, of principles and values.
It's not only bigotry in and of itself, not only undermines the whole academic standing of that military college, it also sends a message to those who are preparing to fight us that this is not a serious nation.
Thank you, Eric.
Let's post that on my Twitter feed and Facebook pages.
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Yeah?
In any of this stuff, is there a link, a traditional watch or fox, to the actual documents they foyered?
Let me see...
I think you might be right about that, Geoff, about Musk.
Oh, absolutely.
That's so weird, too.
I mean, you'd spend $44 billion for your son.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Judicial Watch's statement has, like, links to the stuff.
Why'd they have to sue Ford if it's not controversial to teach it?
Good point.
Can you send me the... Just text me... Oh, no.
Email me the link.
Yeah.
Thanks.
Uh, block the lines, and come in with, um, cut four.
Cut four.
Yeah, one minute.
You don't have to test it.
You just, uh, we're just gonna play it.
We tested it earlier.
Alright, just emailed you.
Thanks.
Mm-hmm.
Did Watson get back to you?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Good.
Thank you.
Basically, again, it's what really stupid people call other Republicans who disagree with them.
And by the way, stupid people pre-Trump were even calling people rhinos.
And it's for moderate Republicans or Republicans who disagree with them on the insurrection.
But again, here's a guy carrying a gun in with other people and they are hunting out their political opponents.
And again, this is fascism. - Why is it fascism?
That ad from Eric Greitens really got under the skin of, well, a man who was a rhino.
Now he's just a flaming liberal.
That is, of course, Joe Scarborough.
I think we need to show that original full ad.
Let's get it for tomorrow's show.
And we should probably get Eric Greitens, the former governor, back on to celebrate his rhino hunting ad that is getting the swamp so very, very agitated.
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Mike, welcome to America First.
Hi, Dave.
How are you?
Good.
I called you because, first of all, did you hear what Gutfeld had to say about you the other day?
It was really funny.
I did.
It was funny.
He said I should have a match with Don Lamont of CNN.
I texted Greg and I said, well, if Don Lamont had the balls to do that, but they won't.
Well, I'm glad you thought it was funny there.
It really was.
But I was hearing you say last week that, I don't know, you must have something with Fox going on.
You know, I rush home every day because I work part time.
I had retired, but I went back to work.
And I can't wait to hear Tucker Hannity and Gutfeld and the other one there.
I can't even think of her name.
But, you know, to me, I can't imagine not Well, you should reconsider, because after what they did last week with that transgender segment, what they did last year calling Arizona early before anybody else, before they had the data, Fox is gone.
There are some stalwart holds outs, but as a corporation, it has gone rhino, it's no longer conservative, and you should be watching a real news channel like Newsmax.
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Somebody ringing in and talking about how Fox is great.
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I didn't do it.
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We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
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Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
I think millions of Americans know something went wrong, and they have little pieces, and no one's really put it together.
I'm agnostic on this question, and I am awaiting more information.
If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
Bold accusations require bold evidence, and they haven't seen it.
We have been working on something big.
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I've been working with Greg Phillips.
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No one has more data than we do.
We identified in Atlanta 242 mules that went to an average of 24 drop boxes.
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What is a mule?
A person picking up ballots and running them to the drop boxes.
This is not grandma out walking her dog.
Bad backgrounds, bad reputations.
They are interested in one thing, that's money.
And in no shape, in no way, in no time is that legal.
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Four million minutes of surveillance video around the country.
What you're about to see is disturbing.
So this is 1 o'clock in the morning.
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They have ruined election day in the United States of America.
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You're listening to America First, one-on-one, with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to the President and currently still member of the Defense Department's National Security Education Board.
It is hard sometimes to see the wood for the trees.
Domestic politics seems to take center stage, especially when it costs more than $100 to fill your car with a tank of gas.
When you see the highest inflation rates for 41 years.
But geopolitics doesn't stop for domestic politics.
And that's why we must keep our eye on the ball.
When I was in the White House, I went in there to do counterterrorism work.
But very rapidly, once you get the clearances, you read the presidential threat briefings, you realize the only strategic level threat we face externally is Red China.
So we're going to dive in with the person I respect the most on that issue.
He is the author of numerous works you have to check out, the most recent being The Great US-China Tech War.
He is, of course, Gordon G Chang.
Gordon, welcome back to America First!
Thank you so much, Dr. G. Gordon, let's start.
Can I start with a kind of very prosaic kind of layman's question?
We'll get into all the, you know, very technical and deep national security issues.
But, you know, we are in the summer of 2022.
Did you, did you expect for a nanosecond that we'd be where we are today in terms of China and America after the last two years?
It seems as if, just one issue, it seems as if culpability for COVID is not an issue anymore.
Yes, this is astounding because, you know, Seb, We don't know 100% where SARS-CoV-2 came from.
99% it came from a lab, but that's not 100.
But there is something that we know 100%, and that is that Xi Jinping, the Chinese ruler, made decisions to deliberately spread this disease beyond China's borders.
Now, for at least five weeks and maybe longer, they lied about contagiousness.
They knew that this was highly transmissible human-to-human, but they told the world it was not.
And then they pressured other countries to not protect themselves while they were locking down their own country.
You put those two things together, it shows that they definitely wanted this disease beyond China.
So, obviously, we're talking more than 1 million, 10,000, 12,000 Americans have been killed by this disease, according to Johns Hopkins.
People dispute the number, but whatever it is beyond the number one or beyond zero, clearly we need to talk about where this disease came from and China's culpability for it.
And President Biden won't do that.
Despite all the conversations he's had with Xi Jinping, he has not raised the issue.
Let's just remind everybody how it all began with the change of regime.
We took China seriously.
President Trump took China seriously.
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And then we have the first China-US summit in Anchorage, where our chief diplomat is lectured to thusly.
So let me say here that in front of the Chinese side, the United States does not have the qualification to say that it wants to speak to China from a position of strength.
and what happens Do the American diplomats storm out?
Does Blinken say, you will not talk to me using BLM Democrat Party talking points?
No, he sits there like a scolded child.
You have a piece that we're going to discuss.
China's economy is collapsing.
Here's why you should worry.
But first, give us the update from the Anchorage summit to today.
Have things improved with regards to U.S.-Sino relations?
Are they static?
Have they gotten worse?
Give us an update, Gordon.
They've gotten much worse, Seb, and the reason is that the Chinese have become much more aggressive.
From Anchorage, which was March of last year, we have gotten a series of propaganda blasts from Beijing around the fall of Afghanistan in August, where they're very clear and they're very open about it.
And over the last couple weeks, we have heard the Chinese say things and we've seen the Chinese do things, which showed utter disrespect for the United States.
So we're at a point where deterrence is broken down, and this is exceedingly dangerous, perhaps the most dangerous times in our lives.
And you know, people will look back at the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, or the Checkpoint Charlie crisis of 1961 and say those look more dangerous.
And yes, they did.
But we also know now from the archives that both Kennedy and Khrushchev knew that they would never start a nuclear exchange.
We don't know what Xi Jinping thinks about using his most destructive weapons.
This, I think, is more dangerous than 61 and 62.
This is a crucial point, because we have the archives declassified on our side, thanks to the Matroking Archive.
We have scads, huge amounts of KGB classified materials that were smuggled out of the Soviet Union during the last few days of its collapse.
So we know that whilst there was much bluster, Khrushchev banging his shoe on the table at the UN saying, we will bury you, Both sides really did hold to the mutually assured destruction balance.
They knew if the birds flew from one end, then they would fly from the other end, and that's what kept that bipolar system stable.
But we do not know.
We do not know what is in the minds of the Chinese PLA, People's Liberation Army, or Xi Jinping, Made himself really emperor for life of the biggest communist nation in the world.
How do we read?
Is it again?
Is it bluster?
Is it hyperbole?
When in the last few days we have the organs of the state use the phrase or mention that China will now be engaging Gordon in non-military operations, which is exactly the phrase used by Putin for his invasion of Ukraine.
Is that just Empty?
Rhetoric?
Or could that presage move on Taiwan?
What I'm concerned about is, especially since July of last year, China's been making threats to use its nukes against first Tokyo and then Canberra, and now they have been going after us, of course.
On March 10th, the Chinese military promised the quote-unquote worst consequences for countries that came to Taiwan's support.
And periodically throughout this century, Chinese generals and political leaders have been making unprovoked threats against America to kill us in the hundreds of millions.
So these threats have been made.
We have not countered them.
And I think that that creates in the minds of Chinese leaders that they might use them.
This could very well still be Chinese bluster, but I actually think that as time progresses and as they see the disarray in the Biden administration, that they actually think that they could use their nukes against Taiwan or against one of our friends or allies, and that we would not retaliate.
So, I believe that that would be a misperception on their part, but I think that they actually think that way.
Can you give us a comparative analysis because this has been a communist dictatorship since the Nationalists were defeated in 48-49.
What is the similarity or the difference between your hardcore Maoist regimes back in the 60s and today with the recent changes in the Constitution?
Is this still the same beast or is this China qualitatively different and are the powers that Xi has given himself qualitatively China is different now than it was in the 1950s, but Xi Jinping reveres Mao Zedong, and over the course of his rule, now of 10 years, we have seen him take China back to Maoism.
He isn't there all the way yet because he doesn't have full power, but obviously that's what he wants to do.
And we see this, whether we're talking about the economy going back to state control, we can see this in terms of propaganda, we can see this in terms of China's control of people.
So they're moving very fast to totalitarianism.
It's no longer an authoritarian government.
It's more semi-totalitarian on the way back to full Maoist control.
We're seeing China move in a very, very dangerous direction.
Part of it is communism, but it's also the Chinese imperial era, where from time to time, Chinese emperors closed off China from the rest of the world.
And Mao did that, and Xi Jinping is doing that now.
So it is, as I said, yeah, it's been different, but it's going back to something that Mao Zedong would be familiar with.
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Gordon, another topic that doesn't get requisite attention in the last three months is, of course, the war in Europe.
We thought we would never witness war on the streets of a European city again.
It is occurring.
Russia does what Russia has been doing since 1917, and that's invading independent states.
Because I've heard two different interpretations of how Putin's latest military action affects Beijing.
One is it would be used as cover, it would be used to distract from a move against Taiwan, and second, I'm hearing that the international reaction to Russia, the arming of Ukraine, has given strategic pause the arming of Ukraine, has given strategic pause to Xi Jinping.
Can we tell which of those is more accurate?
Are they happy that Putin did what he did?
Or are they annoyed at how sloppy he's been in the execution of the invasion?
I think that Beijing looks at the Ukraine and they take away a number of lessons, some of which encourage them to be more aggressive, some of them inhibit them.
But I think that on balance, they've been emboldened.
And the reason is that, first of all, and this is the most important lesson, there was the greatest breakdown in deterrence since the start of the Second World War.
Although the United States, the 27 nations of the European Union and Great Britain had an economy 25.1 times bigger than Russia's in 2021, we failed to stop that invasion.
So you have a far weaker party.
I think China looks at that and says that we would similarly fail to deter China, that we don't have the willingness to use our power.
The other thing is that although there have been sanctions on Russia, those sanctions have not been as effective as people had hoped.
Russia's ruble is doing okay.
They're selling a lot of oil, by the way, to China.
And so I think that the Chinese believe that, look, the West can't enforce sanctions.
And by the way, the Chinese are so arrogant these days, they think that we wouldn't impose sanctions on them in the first place, or that they would be able to skate by them.
So I think that the only thing that they look at it, Putin, and are irritated is that Putin may have delayed their plans for attacking a neighbor, which could be Taiwan, could be India, because there's more and more chatter about increased Chinese infiltration into India these days.
Or it could be Japan, or it could be the Philippines.
It could be anywhere along its southern and eastern peripheries.
Explain to us the Sino-Russo relationship, because as you said right now, you know, Russia is... I mean, shockingly, the ruble is relatively robust in many cases because of countries like China that are buying Russian gas and oil.
But there's no love lost.
I mean, these are alliances of a very plastic and temporary nature because There is no nation that China does not look down upon, at least from the lofty heights of the Politburo.
So, Russia is also an adversary for China, but not right now, correct?
Correct.
If you were to look long term, and by that I mean decades and decades, we probably wouldn't have to worry about a Chinese and Russian alliance or entente.
But we don't, I think, we shouldn't focus on the long term.
We should focus on the here and now.
And even before the invasion of Ukraine, the Chinese were fully supporting the Russians.
Because, you know, short term, Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping see the world in the same terms.
They calculate their interests pretty much the same way.
They identify the same adversary, which is us.
And they believe that they can support each other in their various aims.
So, we have to just assume that that's an effective alliance.
As a matter of fact, the 5,000-word statement that China and Russia issued on February 4th, talking about their no-limits partnership, about how no area is off-limits to cooperation, I think that that's a fairly accurate statement of their current state of affairs.
So yeah, they are partners and we've got to deal with them as a united—they are a united front against us.
Having spent almost a decade teaching the U.S.
military strategic issues and counterterrorism, I am woefully aware of how poor our knowledge of China is inside the U.S.
military.
Let me ask you the obverse.
How well does China understand us, at least inside the halls of policymaking and inside the PLA, Gordon?
That's a great question.
China has thoroughly infiltrated the United States, so they have enormous amounts of information about America.
As a matter of fact, in some places, they understand us better than we do, because they've collected all this information, and with their artificial intelligence systems, they're able to interpret and digest it.
They suffer, though, from the problem of all communists, and also they suffer from the Chinese mentality that They are entitled to rule what they call Tian Xia, or all under heaven.
In other words, they have a right to rule the world.
They have the right to rule the solar system.
So in that sense, they view us as in terminal decline.
I don't think that they understand the inherent strength of democracies, that although at times right now we look weak, we actually are resilient, much more resilient than communist states, including theirs.
So in that sense, they do not understand us.
Incredible.
Absolutely incredible.
Because that lack of understanding, that's very easily the precursors for war.
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China is going to eat our lunch?
Come on, man.
They can't even figure out how to deal with the fact that they have this great division between the China Sea and the mountains in the east, I mean, in the west.
They can't figure out how they're going to deal with the corruption that exists within the system.
I mean, you know, they're not bad folks, folks, but guess what?
They're not a competition for us.
That was Vice President Biden telling us that China's not a problem.
No joke.
Come on, man.
Not a competitor.
I think he thinks differently today.
Gordon, when I was... One of the greatest achievements, I think, of the Trump years is that when we came into office, there was amongst, you know, apart from voices in the wilderness like yourself, The main consensus, the conventional wisdom in the C-suites, at the boards across corporations, in Palo Alto, was that China's not a problem, China's not a threat, exactly what Biden just said.
Thanks to the President, thanks to great people inside the National Security Council like Brigadier Spalding and others, we turned it around.
We turned around the understanding and I think a lot of people in the space of just a couple of years came to realize that China is the preeminent strategic threat.
I learned that myself.
Do you share that assessment with me?
And if you do, how much more work is there to do in terms of educating the American people?
I certainly share that assessment with you.
And you know, I think the American people get it, but the people who don't get it are those you mentioned.
Wall Street, Walmart, and also the political class in Washington.
There are a lot of folks there who see China as an opportunity.
You know, Biden said essentially the same thing in May 2019.
They're not competition folks.
And today, the administration, his administration, will say, yeah, well, they're a competition, but they're not an adversary and they're not an enemy.
The problem is that in May 2019, People's Daily, which is the most authoritative publication in China, when People's Daily speak, it's China speaking.
They declared a quote-unquote people's war on America.
That's all we need to know.
They view us as an enemy.
They've continued that propaganda into recent times.
It's just unrelenting.
It's daily.
And we have to understand that we've got an enemy.
Is it fair to say that the least understood aspect of this inimical relationship, and enemy is the right word because they do want to enslave or destroy us, is the political aspect and the cultural inveigling into American culture?
Is that perhaps the area we have to do most of our education?
Well, it's really all of the above, because we've got Confucius Institutes on our college and university campuses.
We've got Confucius classrooms, hundreds of them, in our secondary schools.
We have the Chinese Ministry of State Security and diplomatic officials surveilling Chinese students on our campuses.
You know, boardrooms we talked about.
The foreign policy elites sort of have this outdated notion that it's in our interest to support the Communist Party.
The Communist Party has used every point of contact to infiltrate the United States.
Eric Swalwell.
They first contacted him not when he was on the House Intelligence Committee, where of course he'd be of value to Beijing.
They first contacted him when he was a council member in the Dublin city, California.
If they contacted him there at that low level, imagine how many Eric Swalwells there are throughout the country, because I don't think he was the only one.
There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of them.
And that really, doesn't that speak to such a long-term strategy that you're going to deploy a honeypot trap, a female intelligence officer against somebody in a local council in California on the off chance that he may get involved in national politics?
That speaks to a huge long-term investment in penetrating American society.
Absolutely.
You know, the crime here is not being contacted by the Ministry of State Security, because if that were the case, we wouldn't have any members of Congress serving.
We wouldn't have Senate.
There'd be nobody in the administration.
The problem here is the reaction of Eric Swalwell and others to the allegations.
You know, I like to hear the congressman from California actually talk about this, which he has not done.
But the point is, it's not a question of swallow.
It's just a question of how China has gone after the U.S.
across the board and how we're being overwhelmed.
Our law enforcement is overwhelmed.
Our governors are overwhelmed.
Our academic institutions are overwhelmed.
All of us have been overwhelmed by China's attempts to subvert us.
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Gordon, let me move the discussion to your latest piece that I mentioned at the very beginning.
It's titled, China's Economy is Collapsing.
Here's Why You Should Worry.
You can read it on my feed.
It's with The Daily Caller, but you can read it on my Twitter, Facebook feeds, Truth Social.
Will you?
I want everybody to read it, Gordon, but give us a precis of why everyone should be worried.
Well, the Chinese economy right now is contracting.
The Communist Party for decades, its primary basis of legitimacy was the continual delivery of prosperity.
Now they can't promise prosperity because it's obvious what's occurring in China with not only the bank runs, but also the property market plunging, all the rest of it.
So the only remaining basis of legitimacy for the Communist Party is nationalism.
And that will force Xi Jinping and others to engage in military misadventure abroad, whether it's Taiwan or other places.
This is a China that can take us by surprise because it sees, I believe, a closing window of opportunity to accomplish what they believe are historic goals.
They are malicious.
They are engaging in this unrestricted warfare against us.
And we're just not prepared because we've got a president, for instance, who thinks that they're not even an adversary.
Why is it so fragile?
Give us a breakdown of why the economy in China is so fragile right now after two years of COVID.
They've got, first of all, the lockdowns, which have created a contracting economy.
But that's not the fundamental problem.
The most fundamental problem is that Xi Jinping, as we talked about before, is taking the Chinese economy back to a state-dominated model, a la Mao Zedong, which obviously didn't work.
And then there's too much debt.
We don't know exactly how much debt China has, but if you were to say an amount equal to, say, 350% of gross domestic product, You'd probably be in the neighborhood, maybe a bit more.
And the reason why this is a problem is because that is preventing, that is distorting the economy.
And so you have what is the critical property sector, about 30% of gross domestic product.
It's not just the property prices are falling.
What's really the problem is that there are no property sales.
Property sales have declined like 34.5% in the first five months of this year compared to the previous five months in 2021.
That means that property, which is considered to be a store of value for the Chinese people, is now becoming worthless in a sense because they can't dump it.
And that means you've got a lot of people right now who are looking at an economy that is failing.
It is just collapsing.
And that is causing the Communist Party, as I said, I think, to act in much more belligerent ways.
And that's why it's a concern to us.
What is the state of demographics inside China?
Are they starting to recover from the one-child policy?
Or do they still have that significant imbalance of men to women in their population?
Well, they still have the imbalance in men to women, maybe 35 million more men than women.
Wow.
The real problem for them, though, is that they have not recovered from the one-child policy.
They have a three-child policy right now, but people are not procreating.
If you look at the numbers, China will lose about half its population in 45 years.
This is just a bit of arithmetic, taking their total fertility rate and multiplying it out.
By the end of this century, they will be a country of maybe 500 million, maybe a little bit more.
In other words, they'll be about the same number of people as the United States.
But that is a massive, massive shrinkage.
Yes.
I mean, even official projections show a collapse.
And the point here, Seb, is that no country has ever been on facing such a drop in demography in the absence of war or disease.
And we don't know how China will react to it, how the Chinese people will react to it, because this is completely unprecedented.
But Chinese leaders know this.
And that means that they know that they get what they want by intimidating others.
Now, if you're 1.41 billion people, which is what they claimed after their last census, Yeah, you can intimidate others because you're the world's most popular state.
But if you've got about the same number of people as the U.S.
and you have just gone through this massive collapse, you're not going to be intimidating people, which means that Xi Jinping realizes he's got to move fast or he won't be able to move at all.
Well, Gordon, in human history, as Mark Twain said, it doesn't repeat itself, but it definitely rhymes or echoes.
When massive nations have such crises, there's usually only two possible scenarios.
There is civil unrest, revolution, civil war, what have you.
Or there's what Hitler and other dictators do, which is, you know, point at some external threat and then say, okay, let's go to war in the hope of rallying the people around the flag with some false new mission.
Those are the two realistic options, are they not?
Yes.
I mean, the world was very fortunate that the Soviet Union imploded with very little loss of life.
China, we're not going to be so fortunate with China in all probability, because what we are seeing is a long, slow failure of the Chinese state.
That gives Xi Jinping the opportunity to do what you just said.
And so therefore, we've got to be concerned that he will lash out at us, at our friends, our allies, partners, Countries in the region, and therefore we could have war at both ends of the Eurasian landmass.
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Gordon, I want everybody to follow you on Twitter for a couple of reasons, not just because of the The source of information that you provide that is truly unavailable elsewhere, but because of the spirit of your fight as it comes across every single day.
I'm looking at one of your tweets here right now.
We absolutely will not allow China's regime to take our country from us every single day.
Interspersed with the factual analyses, the articles, you have these declarations of freedom, of America, of China's threat to our freedom.
Will you explain, just very briefly, why this for you is not a field of interest you studied in college and as a postgrad, but for you this is your life's mission, Gordon?
You know, I don't have an answer to that question, Seb.
I think you stumped me.
I think you do.
I think you do.
You know, you've been very honest in prior discussions here about what America represents to you.
So this is more than just being an expert in a field.
For you, this is about who you are and what America is, surely.
Yeah, Lydia and I lived in Shanghai from 1996, August 1996 to May 2001.
So we've actually lived in a communist state.
And when we arrived, I can remember Lydia getting on the phone and saying, Mom, China's not communist anymore.
And when we arrived, it was a very optimistic time.
I agreed with her.
But the reasons that I feel this way today is because as we lived there, as we worked there, traveled around the country, talked to people, we saw a very different China.
And that is a view which was, you know, Just worlds apart from the prevailing view when we left.
So to me, it's personal because I've seen it.
Since then, of course, there have been so many people who have left China with horrific stories.
And this is in the context of what we are learning today about what's occurring in China.
So I hate to say it, but it is actually necessary for us to defend freedom, to talk about it, because we are under unrelenting attack.
And you can see that if you've lived in China and you can compare with what life is there with what is happening here today now.
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Give us some reassurance that what we did in the first few years of the Trump administration reversing the direction with regards to Beijing can be done again.
Yes or no, Gordon?
Yes, it can be done again, and it will be done again, because the American people are going to demand it, and also because China being China, and the Communist Party being the Communist Party, will overstep.
So we are going to be forced to understand the maliciousness of the Chinese regime, and we will be forced once again to defend ourselves from a foreign enemy.
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