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This is America First and I'm your host Sebastian Gorka.
It may be Monday but we have a lot to talk about.
But first, what happened yesterday?
Did you go to church?
I did.
It was a very interesting experience.
I went to a parish which is Let's just say, if you're in the swamp, you'll know what I'm talking about.
It is connected to the Supreme Court in a certain way.
And it was great to be there.
Why?
Because it was full.
And out of the hundreds of people there, lots of children, lots of families, maybe ten people, eight people were wearing masks.
The rest were not living in fear.
As I sat there, I looked around.
I tend to try and, you know, have a certain awareness of things going on around me.
The first thing I noticed was the number of ushers.
Most of them large individuals.
Parishioners, but ushers.
And then one of them who kept catching my eye was standing at one of the side doors.
Not one of the main doors where the parishioners come in.
But the side door to the sacristy where the priest comes in.
It's just a single door for the priest to come in.
One of the ushers was standing there and moving and bobbing in and out looking at the congregation.
And then it all clicked for me.
It's Sunday, the Sunday after the threat by a group called Ruth Sentas to intimidate parishioners around America, especially at Catholic churches.
One church in California had women suddenly in the middle of mass, a huge cathedral church, stand up, take off their outer garments and they were dressed in the housemaid's tail red cloaks and the white headgear, and then start demonstrating in the middle of a holy service about abortion rights, disturbing that religious ceremony.
At the weekend in Madison, Wisconsin, a pro-life pregnancy center was firebombed.
So certain parishes, the one that I was attending Mass in, took those threats seriously.
I myself am always carrying a weapon.
I'm licensed to do so in three different localities, four actually.
And when I left after Mass, I said hello to the priest standing outside, greeting parishioners.
First thing he said to me, because he's known me for 12 years, he said, so what are you packing today, Sebastian?
And we joked about it.
And as I looked over his shoulder, I saw the local Virginia police vehicle right there parked right in front of the church.
And then I saw another cruiser.
And on the one hand, it was kind of a little bit of a good feeling.
That serious men were taking a serious threat seriously.
Because that's how civilizations are maintained.
That's how communities are kept safe.
When men take serious threats seriously and prepare themselves to meet with force that threat.
Whether it is the police officers called by that parish priest to come to that show.
We never have.
We never have squad cars sitting outside this parish on a normal Saturday.
He requested them because of a heightened threat assessment.
Or whether it is the heightened number of large ushers And I would say I wasn't the only parishioner armed.
I would say there were quite a few of us armed inside that church.
So it felt good.
But afterwards, as I digested the amazing sermon and talked to my wife about the strange situation of what we'd just lived through, it hit me.
We went to church to practice our freedom of conscience in a nation that uniquely protects that in our Constitution.
Not just freedom of speech, but freedom of conscience.
A constitutional order that has a disestablishment clause, which whilst perverted and misinterpreted actually willfully by the left, Doesn't mean that there is no support for religion by the state.
It simply says that you cannot be punished.
You cannot be persecuted for being the member of quote-unquote the wrong religion.
That's what it really meant.
The separation of church and state doesn't mean that this is an unchristian nation.
On the contrary.
The Founding Fathers knew that this nation, whether you go to church on Sunday or go to temple for the Sabbath, is irrelevant.
Our constitutional order, as the pinnacle of Western civilization, doesn't function without respect for Christian values.
Because we are part of Western civilization.
But the fact that our practice of our religious conscience
Couldn't happen without men with guns securing that church, peace officers in uniform with openly carried weapons, with parishioners with concealed weapons, securing the families, the young children, the babies that were in that church
Well that tells you where we are today.
The fact that the homes of Supreme Court Associate Justices are being picketed.
That Justice Alito and his family have had to be removed by the authorities and taken to a safe undisclosed location because of the credible threats to their lives From people who aren't satisfied with 60 million aborted babies.
I'm not interested with so-called conservatives saying, Oh, this is a distraction.
Don't you understand?
It's about CRT.
It's about the border.
It's about inflation, the price of gas.
It's about baby formula.
Wrong!
You are utterly wrong.
Those are the manifestations of a deeper spiritual conflict.
A war for the soul, not of just this nation, but of our civilization.
Wake up, America.
We must save our freedoms. .
Those children in the womb have unalienable rights as well.
And a civilization is measured not by whether or not CRT is taught in its schools, but is measured first by how it treats the most vulnerable in its society.
The aged, the children, and most especially the unborn.
Wake up, America!
It is time for us to fight to politically win this cultural war for the soul of the West and America.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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Don't miss a second.
Yep.
Music.
Okay.
Titles for that and, um, the pastor.
Can you check, can you review, in the third segment, I think it was, he said something like, but I want the exact wording, he said, we are the Dems' cheap whore.
That, I think he said cheap prostitute, I believe.
Well, just get back.
Yeah, he said prostitute, yeah.
He did?
He did say prostitute, okay.
Yeah, the cheap prostitutes of the Democratic Party.
We are the left's cheap prostitutes.
Okay.
When I take five, they'll never hold.
With the mics on?
Sure.
It's on.
Hello, who's this?
This is John in Los Angeles.
Hey John, what's your question?
What's your comment?
My comment is, why are you living in so much fear?
When I go to church, I don't wear a mask, just like you said they were living in fear.
But I also don't pack a gun to church.
I don't live in fear.
You, obviously, are afraid.
Why are you such a cretin?
What?
Why are you such a cretin?
Zeb Gorka can't come up with any good response, so I'll just use my goofy voice.
Uh, dude, you are a sad little cuck who needs to give his mother his phone back.
Will you do that?
You are cute.
Will you do that?
You are cute.
Will you do that for me?
You're a fucking pussy.
Oh, but you wouldn't say that to my face, you little coward.
You have to call up.
Dude, come and say it to my face, and then we'll see who the little pussy is.
How about that?
Where would you like to meet?
I'll buy you a burrito and then I'll punch it out of your stomach, ya ween!
You're such a little cuck boy!
Dude, you're so hard over the phone!
Is your little pecker getting hard?
Is your little pecker getting hard, you little boy?
Is your mommy there to stroke it for you?
Go away!
Run back to mama!
Goodbye!
Okay, Mike's on and he's on the line.
You're supposed to be in jail.
Wow, lots of calls.
Hello, Mr. Klikowski, can you hear us?
I can hear everything.
Good.
What are you wearing, a camel hair coat?
Is it cold where you are?
Yes, sir.
All right, you've got to tell me again what affiliation you want.
We're doing Supreme Court.
Yes.
I'd say Lawyer, formerly in the White House and DOJ.
But what do you want in the chyron?
What do you want as the formal chyron?
Say Breitbart News contributor.
All right.
You got that?
Eric?
Contributor Breitbart News.
And he has a Twitter handle as well.
Okay, one minute, one minute.
We got Israel here.
ContributorBreitbart.com.
All right.
So, Ken, so much to discuss, so two segments, okay?
You bet.
Awesome.
Do we take a pause mid-segment, or do we just roll right through?
Well, we just take a break for the commercials, but we keep the mics hot on Rumble, so we'll just chat.
Seb, do you want him to adjust his shot a little bit?
No, it's fine.
Okay.
I mean, can you push it away a little bit?
Can you push the computer a bit away?
And give us less headroom, so tilt it down.
A little down, a little less headroom.
Okay, 30 seconds, that's good.
Perfect, perfect.
Okay, good.
Leave it there.
Okay, comm's going down.
We've got 20 seconds, stand by.
You're listening to America First with Dr. G.
What is it with these liberals who have no stamina and they just don't come up with good stuff?
Hey Jeff, what was that guy's name?
What was his fake name who took in the break?
His name was John.
John.
And they're such cowards.
So tough over the phone.
But when they're in front of you, they're little boys.
Little boys.
John, I laugh in your face.
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Okay, we've got to talk about what's happened not only outside the homes of the justices, but why it happened and what's in that leaked decision document.
We have somebody who I trust for legal advice who's worked in the Trump administration at the DOJ, practicing lawyer, Breitbart contributor.
You've got to read his latest pieces at Breitbart.com.
He's Ken Klikowski.
Ken, welcome back to America First.
Great to be with you, Seb.
Thanks for having me.
All right.
I'm going to just say what I think about the Supreme Court draft decision, because I'm not a lawyer, but I read all 70 pages recently.
And you know what shocked me?
And maybe I should read more of these documents.
It was a fabulous historic tour d'horizon.
It was a treatise.
It wasn't full of mumbo-jumbo that a layman couldn't understand.
First, it was this amazing historic review of how the law treated abortion in Western civilization, going back to the 17th century in the UK, the concept of quickening, and then basically this conclusion that until Roe v. Wade, it was illegal in America.
And then it was a Segment by segment, dismantling of both Roe and Casey saying it's just bad law and not analyzing starter decisis and other concepts.
So, Ken, give me your legal professional opinion.
Is this an unusually good pre-decisional draft or is this because it's Alito who's writing it?
Well, first of all, Justice Alito is a brilliant justice.
His opinions are uniformly wonderful.
But what you just described, and as I read it as well, it reminds me of the late Justice Scalia's opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller, which held that the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is an individual right from 2008.
That opinion was also almost exactly the same page length.
That was a little over 60 pages.
And what you saw there is what a well-written Supreme Court opinion is supposed to look like.
This is an originalist decision, one that looks to the text, structure, and history of the Constitution.
And in this case, in terms of looking at the history of a purported right to abortion, showing why this is in fact not a right found in the U.S.
Constitution.
And then there's this fascinating moment where they jump from Roe to Casey and they say that in Casey they don't even try and argue what they said in Roe the penumbra and everything else and they know it's a garbage argument so they go to the 14th amendment and even then Alito says well I'm sorry the 14th amendment is clear that you've got to have some
established tradition that accrues or connects to that right, and there is no established tradition in the Western canon of abortion.
So even the Casey case is torn apart.
Yeah, I'll answer both parts of that.
First, from Rowe to Casey.
You're right, Rowe was a horribly written opinion.
Arguably, there's not a single paragraph in that opinion.
That is actual legal reasoning where you unpack the law and then apply it to facts.
You get philosophical musings in there.
They talk about ancient Greece and whatnot, stuff that has nothing to do with how you interpret the American constitutions.
And so when the court in 1992, by a five to four vote, it chose not to overrule Roe v. Wade, which was from 1973.
The court threw out everything in Roe.
Its trimester framework and all of this other stuff it had done, because Roe was just an embarrassing institution.
I forgot to mention, and the trimester framework was just cut from whole cloth.
They made up this trimester framework where the state has an interest, the state doesn't have an interest, and there was no legal justification.
They just made it up.
That's right.
That was Justice Blackmun, who said, looking back on his life, that he would rather have gone to med school than to law school.
Read into that what you will.
But that's right.
Understanding that that was a legally indefensible framework, they threw that out, and then Casey brought in what was a viability standard, that instead of three parts of a pregnancy, there's only two.
There is before a child is viable outside the womb, and then after it's viable, and the issue of whether something is an undue burden on a woman seeking an abortion before viability, but that too proved to be a completely unworkable but that too proved to be a completely unworkable framework, and that was a big part of Justice Alito's opinion here.
But to shift gears into the test that he applied then, the Supreme Court has developed for almost a century a framework for how you identify fundamental rights and how you also identify what are called implied rights, constitutional rights that are not found in the actual text of the Constitution, constitutional rights that are not found in the actual text of the Constitution, such as the right to have or the right to be able to determine the educational upbringing of your children.
Or to marry somebody from another race.
Yeah, that's right.
Though I'll tell you, with interracial marriage, that's Loving v. Virginia from 1967, that runs square long into an explicit provision in the Constitution, and that is the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.
And the Equal Protection Clause, ratified in 1868, its central purpose was to eradicate state laws that discriminated on the basis of race.
And so I would say Loving is firmly rooted as an equal protection case to say that it is a textbook example of the kind of law that the 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause.
does not allow.
But in terms of rights that they try and cram into the due process clause of the 14th Amendment, there's a two part test.
One is whether it is, and this is what you alluded to, whether it is deeply rooted in the history and tradition of the American people, meaning that pretty much we recognize that right in 1789 when the Constitution was adopted and we have uniformly recognized it back from that time to the present.
Like interstate travel.
There's no argument whether Americans can travel between their states, right?
Yeah, that's exactly right.
And that is a right protected by what's called the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the 14th Amendment.
The second half being whether the right is implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.
That is a big, big concept.
We need to unpack this crucial phrase, ordered liberty.
None better to do it for us than Ken Kuklowski.
Read his articles at Breitbart.com, former DOJ, a lawyer, former Trump administration.
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work wherever you are don't you dare touch that dial all right mics is still hot on rambos So, two quick questions, just for the Rumble audience.
So, number one, Do you have any insight, because they've got four clerks per justice, when it's a 70-page document, is Alito writing it?
Is it drafted by the clerks?
It's a great question.
It's Alito writing it, and now the clerks
you know give him draft material fleshing out points that he wants research on and whatnot but then he takes all that raw material it makes it his own by the time it's a draft opinion that is circulated to the other eight justices that is him and I'll tell you where you see this with all the justices if you're a professional in this field each one has a voice it's no different style right absolutely I mean Antonin style was unmistakable
Yes, yes, this was definitely an Alito opinion.
So here's the other question, and maybe it's impossible to answer this.
When you look at Roe v. Wade and the fact they only quoted one pro-abortion academic, they quoted ancient Greece and Sparta which have no relevance.
It was just a piece of crap.
How did they get away with that in the 1970s as a Supreme Court decision?
In the 1970s, it would be common that you would read through an entire Supreme Court opinion and never actually see the text of the statute or constitutional provision that they were interpreting.
Sometimes you might find it in an appendix at the back of the opinion.
So what you're looking at is, in the 1980s, we started to have the rise of originalism and textualism, or I would say the restoration of it, for decades before that, Seb, for decades.
The court was just, the law was what they said it was, and they just, they became so divorced from the text of the document, and that's how we got opinions.
Wow.
Wow.
That's incredible.
Yeah, you read cases from the 1960s and 70s in law school, and at the end of it, you still wouldn't know exactly what the text was that they were interpreting.
Unbelievable.
90 seconds.
Title for the monologue?
What should we call it?
Something about the churches being attacked?
Courage?
When you have to go to church armed.
Very good.
Go to church armed.
Alright.
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We are back with Ken Klikowski, a man who we rely upon for our legal advice here in America First.
We're talking about the Supreme Court decision.
What happens now, Ken?
I've heard a lot of theories that the left screwed up here.
They should have waited till June, then the nuclear bomb effect of this dropping in June closer to the elections would have been more useful to them.
I've heard theories today that now nobody can back down.
The five justices cannot back down because then it would make them look as if they were weak and gave in to the mob.
You've been watching the Supreme Court for years now.
This is truly unprecedented in the modern age.
So what kind of scenarios are we looking at until June and the official vote?
Well, for one thing, Seb, I'll be putting an article up today urging the justices to get the opinion out as quickly as possible.
I mean, the draft that we saw was from February 10.
They would have continued to polish it and edit it since that time.
So I think the opinion could be in good condition to actually be issued as is right now, as in like this week.
Now, if there are other justices who are still writing concurring opinions or dissenting opinions, none of those have the force of law and they can just issue that whenever they're ready to do so.
But the justices in the majority, I have the authority whenever they vote to do it, to just go ahead and release the opinion.
And I would recommend doing so as quickly as possible so that we can all move forward so that this is an official opinion.
It's on the clock.
It's in the books.
And let me segue straight from that to another point you mentioned.
And that is that, yes, I believe that every day, every additional day that transpires between this decision becoming official And November's election day is that tens of millions of Americans are going to realize that the left has lied to them for half a century about what the effect of overruling Roe would be.
All of a sudden, people are going to find out that the abortion laws where they're at either exactly match what their values are on abortion.
So in pro-life states, you could have pro-life laws.
In pro-abortion states, abortion would still be widespread and legal.
Since there is a constitutional right to interstate travel, if you live in a pro-life state and you're right next to a pro-abortion state, Well, if you're willing to drive three or four hours, you can still get an abortion.
How many abortions do you plan on getting in your life that that would be some sort of incredible burden on you?
So, I need you to help clarify something for me because, again, it's been misrepresented that this is some, you know, one justice writing his opinion.
No, no, no.
It's not one justice writing his opinion.
This is the first draft of the Supreme Court of the United States
as their decision in the majority and here the last page is crucial it's not one person's opinion it's quote we now overrule Roe and Casey and return these authorities to the people and their elected representatives the judgment of the fifth court is reversed it is so ordered are the last words this isn't just one man's opinion is it Ken?
Well, that's right.
The way this works is when you have oral arguments at the Supreme Court, then on the Friday of that week, The justices have a closed door conference.
There's only nine people in the room, only the justices.
In fact, if someone has a note or whatever, the junior justice has the job.
If someone knocks at the door to go answer the door, the junior justice also has to serve coffee and water.
And so right now that would be for at least the next couple of months, that would still be Justice Barrett.
Yes.
But at those conferences, they each go around with cases that were argued and starting with the chief and going down in order in order of seniority.
He just gives his take on how the case should be decided and cast his vote once.
Once you get down to the ninth justice, you know what the vote is.
And then the senior-most justice in the majority then assigns the opinion to someone in the majority, including himself.
And then that person starts drafting a draft decision that represents the views of the five or more justices in the majority.
All right.
We're out of time.
We need to continue this.
Let's get him in studio for a whole hour.
Follow him, Ken Klikowski, and his latest articles at Breitbart.com.
Thank you so much, Ken.
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Wow, that's incredible.
Well, eh.
Incredible!
I think I saw the report there was another leak from the Washington to the Washington Post supposedly like from the Supreme Court about like the What's been going on since then and allegedly the Washington Post, you know, gloomily reported that the conservatives are holding the line and the justices are not preparing to back down.
Oh yeah?
Yeah.
Uh, title for that for Klikowski.
Um... What the Supreme Court decision really says.
Uh-huh.
Decision really says.
You got it.
All right.
Okay, two minutes.
This is Kelly.
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Okay, 80 seconds.
Okay, I'm rearranging it, and she's on the line.
Mic's up.
Hey, Julie.
Hey, how are you?
Good.
What's the most important thing?
I see you're constantly posting, so where do we begin?
I think we begin with Biden's DOJ seeking life in prison for nonviolent protesters.
who entered the Capitol and have been charged with seditious conspiracy.
Okay.
Jeff, have you told Cassio Julie's coming on?
Yeah.
Okay, good.
All right, excellent.
We'll start there.
And I got some breaking news.
30 seconds.
Standby, Julie.
30 seconds and we have the image of her book as well.
January 6.
Muting the mics, comms going down.
What's the book?
Okay.
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Let's start with the good news.
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Bad news.
It's not a joke.
This is breaking news.
Mr. G just sent me this.
The Washington Post has won the Pulitzer Prize, I hope Pulitzer's spinning in his grave, for public service coverage of January 6th.
I bet our next guest has something to say about that.
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Okay, let's go to a lady who I'm sure has something to say about that breaking news.
Senior writer at Thanks for having me.
I wanted to say I concluded my lovely Mother's Day last night by watching 2000 Mules.
It is just mind-blowing.
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Okay, so the Washington Post gets a Pulitzer for its coverage of January 6th.
This weekend we saw Against federal code and against Virginia code, justices being harassed outside their homes, nobody arrested, nobody charged with sedition and insurrection.
Would you give us an update, Julie, on the latest developments with the political prisoners here in DC?
Yes, first I want to say something about the Washington Post.
Aside from all their hyperbolic coverage and editorializing, they did a three-part series about January 6th, which is a trove of Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
as to how certain lawmakers and officials in Washington, D.C.
I mean, knew so much ahead of time what was going to happen on January 6th.
I've actually relied on that quite a bit.
For example, Liz Cheney bringing a secret service agent, retired secret service agent to the Capitol that day and some other kids.
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
Liz Cheney had special protection on January 6th.
So how did she know?
Well, that's a great question.
No one will ask, but that was a little tidbit in the Washington Post extensive investigation into what happened before, during, and after.
We also found out that Adam Kinzinger told his staff not to come in that day, and I believe there are reports that he brought a firearm.
I believe that that's what the Washington Post in this series covered.
There's a lot of- Hang on, hang on.
Adam Kinzinger brought a firearm?
That is what I recall being reported by the Washington Post in that series.
Isn't that interesting?
Isn't it?
It is.
Talk to us about what's happening to those who are imprisoned in DC, Julie.
So, we are now going on 14-month incarceration for several defendants as DOJ, with the consent of federal judges, including Toronto-appointed judges like Timothy Kelly, continue to let DOJ delay trials, withhold evidence, delay discovery evidence such as FBI files, etc.
We are now going to see more, some of the major trials have been moved to late summer, fall of 2022, which means Some of these men will be incarcerated 18 months, not convicted of any crime, most of whom have no criminal records, a number of whom are also veterans, being politically persecuted by the DOJ and D.C.
District Court.
So all of this coincides with, you know, voting in the midterm elections and also coincides with the January 6th Select Committee public hearings and report, etc.
So these are political prisoners.
There's no doubt about it.
These judges continue to allow these men to be held without any convictions.
And, of course, the craven Republican leadership continues to be completely silent about this.
Yeah.
Follow this lady right now, julie-kelly2.
Read her articles at amgreatness.com.
That's julie-kelly2.
Tell us about the other individuals still caught up, the two charged individuals still caught up in the collapsing Whitmer kidnap case.
I spoke with one of them today, so two.
Of course, this was the largest domestic care investigation by DOJ until January 6th.
On April 8th, a Michigan jury acquitted two men.
The other two men, including the alleged ringleader, was met with a hung jury.
Here we are now, then 30 days later, DOJ's threatened to refile charges.
They still haven't.
The two men still remain in prison, waiting for DOJ to figure out what they want to do.
I talked to one of the men today, Brandon Katsurda, who was acquitted.
I will have a very extensive article on him later this week.
What these people have gone through, what they continue to go through.
So Christopher Wray and the DOJ, including William Barr, he was the AG at the time, helped concoct this FBI kidnapping plot to support this phony narrative that we heard from Joe Biden again last week.
That the MAGA movement, that white supremacists, right-wing militiamen, etc., posed the greatest threat to the homeland.
We know that that is not true.
But they concocted this plot.
Numerous FBI agents, undercover agents, informants working out of numerous FBI field offices with highest approval by the FBI and DOJ to put this plot together.
It has been a complete Disaster and failure.
And again, Seb, have you been reading about this in the award-winning Washington Post?
No, I didn't see anything on CNN Plus or what was it?
Chuck Todd, who's now having his show cancelled on cable and it's going on to their streaming service.
I didn't see it.
Chuck, Todd, cover it either.
But that's why we have you.
God bless you for doing what you do.
I can't keep up with your Twitter feed.
You are breaking more news by yourself than the rest of the Lying Legacy media.
And thanks to Chris Buskirk and Ben at American Greatness for giving you that superlative platform.
Read all of her breaking coverage at julie-kelly2 and amgreatness.com.
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was there another version or an updated version because you gave me nine five nine for Dinesh.
Is there a new one this week?
Yes I give you two on Friday.
All right hang on.
So there should be one that That's this Friday on the top, and then the other one had today's date on it.
But we don't have any paid spots today, regardless.
Right, right, but I just want to see what the updates are.
I have the one that says 5-9 in your handwriting on it.
Yes, that is... In the break, will you just... That is the one for today.
Okay, alright.
Sponsorship tag?
Okay, alright.
That's fine.
They don't want you doing that in the next segment?
Okay, alright.
asking if you could read the sponsorship tag after you've done it, which is not usually how.
Sponsorship tag?
Okay.
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That's fine.
All right, one minute.
They don't want you doing that in the next segment?
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They've got an email saying that, so.
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Dave, Arizona, line four.
Appreciate you taking my call today, teacher.
And I love what you said about caring to church.
I did as well.
I always do.
This week, I varied it up a little bit.
I open carried, which I don't typically do.
I typically conceal carried.
But I'm just concerned that these continued salvos and Operation Chaos by the left in the establishment class continue to go unanswered by the people that want to defend the republic.
And I'm not sure what our next step should be, but I don't think voting...
I'll tell you what it is.
I'll tell you what it is.
And I'm working on it.
And I've got people who are interested in funding it.
We've got to prosecute these people.
We've got the mules on camera.
We've got to prosecute them, find who paid them, and prosecute those organizations as well.
We've got to find a local prosecutor because the feds won't do it.
We've got to put these people on record until somebody starts singing and then we wrap the whole network up.
It's the only thing to do.
Thank you Dave.
Let's go to Judy in Brooklyn!
Hi.
Hey.
How are you?
Good.
Energized.
There was no decaf.
I had to have a caffeinated coffee, so I am buzzed.
Great.
You know something, by the way, they should really distribute 2,000 mules all over the country.
I don't know how, but that's what they should invest money in.
All over the country.
Yeah, I think at some point, you know, Dinesh isn't in it for the money.
It's already made loads of money in just a couple of days.
I think at some point he's just going to let it out there and people can watch it for free.
I don't know.
I'll talk to Dinesh.
But, Judy, what's your question?
What's your comment?
Okay, so two things.
Two things.
You know, President Trump and President Biden are both MAGA, because President Trump, he stands for Make America Great, and Biden stands for Make America Grounded.
I'm not sure because grounded can have a positive sense as well as a negative one, right?
He's grounded.
No, no.
When you're grounded, it's not a good thing.
Are you kidding me?
No, it depends.
There's two contexts.
You're a foreigner.
Come on.
You come from Australia.
You've got to learn the real English, the Queen's English.
It can be grounded in the American sense or it can be he's grounded.
He's got a sense of realism.
Come on, Judy.
Okay, you win, you win.
You win every time, Doctor.
No, no, no, we love it.
But let's not confuse the fact that there's only one MAGA president out there, and he's President Trump.
God bless you, Judy.
Brent, Victor, Phil, don't go anywhere.
Stay on this channel.
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All right.
I feel guilty an hour down and I haven't played any cuts.
Mr. G slaving away in the salt mines preparing my video clips for me and I haven't used any of them.
So don't go anywhere guys.
We're gonna get to you Victor, Brent, Phil.
We're gonna get to your calls because the listeners, the callers are the most important part of the show.
However, I do want to share with you A couple of gems that I found on social media and that Mr. G found for us.
Trousers.
Why do you wear pants?
Have you thought about that?
Have you seen that Froggy Goes to School?
That picture book when he has a dream, a nightmare about getting on the school bus without his pants?
Bill Gates has a very interesting interpretation of why we wear our long trousers.
This is from the Munich Security Conference.
Not sure why the biggest national security event in Europe every year has a... Is he a college dropout or high school dropout who doesn't know anything about health discussing COVID?
But here he is with his interesting take on what you should and should not be wearing.
Cut nine!
What about masks?
I think there are a lot of people in America who are confused about whether they should be wearing a mask.
And in the United Kingdom, for example, they've scrapped that altogether.
Well, that's interesting.
You know, what is the downside of wearing a mask?
I mean, it's got to be tough.
You know, you have to wear pants.
I mean, this is tough stuff.
These societies are so cruel.
Why do they make you wear pants?
I'm trying to figure it out.
We're very glad you have yours on.
Yes, I am very glad he had his pants on, but that's the Elite laughing at the idea that, well, you know, children should be wearing masks eight hours a day, breathing their own exhaled oxygen and creating festering bacteria in front of their nasal cavity, whilst he, for those who aren't watching on Rumble, is sitting there on a panel with other members of the quote-unquote Elite Not wearing a mask, but it's so funny!
It's hilarious!
It's almost as funny as Brian Stelter's face, who likewise is not a medical professional, but he too has opinions, not on COVID this time, but on aborting unborn human beings.
Cut for little Brian Stelty boy.
Americans' views on abortion are confusing because they don't know much about it.
They don't know how pregnancies progress.
They don't know when abortions happen.
They don't know who gets abortions.
They don't know what will happen in their state if Roe is gone.
She went on to say Americans don't know much about this because they don't like to think about it.
They don't like the politics.
They don't like the debate.
I thought that was really spot on.
People don't like to think about something like this, and a lot of folks don't frankly know the details about reproduction and about reproductive rights.
So, Elijah, it seems to me to be a challenge for the media.
There's some education to do.
You know, I'm going to shock all three million of you right now.
I agree.
I agree that Brian Stelter has said that Americans don't know a lot about abortion, and we should educate them.
But here's what they should be educated on.
The process of abortion.
What actually happens to that human being that after a certain point in the gestation inside the mother's womb is actually dismembered.
Yes, dismembered.
And then removed with a vacuum suction machine.
Let's educate.
Let's show everyone above the age of 18 The details, the physical, the pain-related details of what happens to that unique human being that has unique genetic coding that was created at the point of conception, Stelter.
Let's educate them, shall we?
And then we'll see what happens to the general attitudes to dismembering an unborn child.
Okay.
Let's go to your calls.
Victor, our good buddy in Silver Spring, happy Monday to you, Victor.
And happy Monday to you too, sir.
Well, my best girl came over Saturday and we watched the movie.
So, Donesta, thank you for making all your movies blind-friendly.
I had no trouble following what was going on because you were the one that gave the audio descriptions.
So I had a pretty good idea of what was going on.
So you watched 2,000 Mules and it worked for somebody who couldn't see the images?
You understood what Dinesh was talking about?
Yes.
Okay, so tell me the conclusion.
After you watched it for an hour and a half, how did your understanding of the 2020 election change, my friend?
Oh, I knew the election was rigged, but this fortified it, and I just finished telling a neighbor about it, and she didn't say anything.
She didn't make her usual comments that, oh, that's nothing, oh, that doesn't mean anything.
But one thing, Amy did come up with a theory.
There was a woman in the film, and she was talking about the only reason why she became a mule, because she wanted to get a Christmas present for her son.
Yes.
And Amy says, oh, I bet you maybe this is one of the reasons why Biden wants inflation, to get as many people desperate enough that they would want to become a mule in the next election.
Yeah.
What will you do if you can't, let alone you can't afford food, You can't even find a baby formula.
If you're desperate, will you be one of those thousands of mules?
Thank you, Victor.
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Brent, Los Angeles, greetings!
Great, powerful and wise, Maga Gorka!
Thank you, my friend.
Ultramaga, don't you know?
We're Ultramaga as of last week.
All of us.
Hyper-Ultra.
Hyper-Super-Ultra.
How's that?
Hyper-Super-Ultra.
Well, yeah, I'm calling in with a mission from God to implore you to call President Trump And beg his endorsement for awesome Eric Earley, who is running for California's next Attorney General.
Eric is a major MAGA guy who told me on the air last Friday that he would be thrilled to get President Trump's political endorsement to save California from being flushed down the toilet of tyranny.
And Eric is a major law and order guy.
He wants to abort California's sanctuary state, homeless, dreamer, suicide policies.
He wants to secure California's southern border.
He's strongly pro-ICE and Second Amendment.
He opposes unconstitutional COVID masks and toxic jabs.
And he is not, not, not supported by California's corrupt, gutless, rhino GOP.
He's always behind recalling corrupt California Democrats like Newsom, Gascogne, Schiff, and Bodine.
And he wants to prosecute election fraud.
And finally, he's not a career politician.
He is just a common-sense, conservative, constitutional patriot.
All right, we're showing you and I at the AM590 The Answer event that you came to.
When you say you spoke to him, was that on one of the shows in the area?
Tell us how you got to talk to Eric.
Yes, he's been having radio shows for the past two years.
First was on 870, and this one now is on another station.
And so he's on once a week, and I've been connecting with him and calling him ever since he was running for Congress against Adam Schiff.
All right.
That's a fabulous idea.
We've reached out.
We had Kathy Barnett on from Pennsylvania.
We're trying to get Dr. Oz on if his comms director isn't too afraid.
But I like this idea, Eric Early.
Maybe Jennifer Horne can connect us.
Great suggestion.
And I like this idea.
The toilet by Biden's toilet of tyranny.
You always have a way with words.
Thank you, Brent.
Let's go to Phil in Philly.
Are you there, Phil?
The harder I introduce them, the better I introduce them, the greater the likelihood that they're not paying attention.
Phil, in Philly, are you there?
Alright, we'll see if we can try and get him back in the meantime.
Oh, that was under the wire!
That was like that horse at the race this weekend.
Dude, you just came up from the outside.
Happy belated Mother's Day to Mrs. Gorka, though.
I was saying, Brent's like the best guy at karaoke night, and then they hand me the microphone.
I just wonder how much time he spends before he comes on the show.
He writes a little poem every time he calls up the show.
It's amazing.
Alright, what do you want to talk about, Phil?
I just want to make an observation real quick.
I mean, with a third of the Congress, Senate and House Republicans being Jewish, about a third, and they believe, their core base of belief is that the Messiah has not been born yet.
I mean, aren't these folks supposed to be staunchly pro-life?
I mean, that would be a big blunder, wouldn't it?
Aborting the Messiah?
Maybe somebody should ask Chuck Schumer about that.
That's a good question.
How do they justify that?
That's fascinating.
Oh, by the way, I... Yes, go ahead.
California, they said it was going to... Newsom said it's going to be a sanctuary abortion state.
So maybe they should rename it Killerfornia.
California like Killary.
Phil's always got the goods.
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Back with none other than Secretary Robert Wilkie.
They're up?
Yes, comms are up.
Is he here?
Uh, yeah.
JL's micing him up right now.
And mics are live on Rumble.
Oh yeah, last guest for this hour.
Only guest for this hour.
Okie dokes.
Yeah, I was already thinking Jen would definitely know how to get in touch with Eric early.
Oh, what do you think of him?
I don't, I mean, I know he ran against Schiff.
I don't know much about him.
He's run for office a few times before, but I think he's... I know, yeah, the California GOP endorsed somebody else in the Attorney General's race.
From what I've heard, he sounds solid.
I think Jen would definitely have a better take on him than Eric.
Hey, it's been a while.
How you doing?
You too.
Good!
Good, good, good.
Gotta have it.
Gotta have the, you know.
Yeah.
Got the one with the red light.
Got the one with the red light in the middle.
Now is this... This isn't the one from the... Oh, from the TV series.
Gotta have all the gear.
Gotta have all the gear.
I watched the parade.
Oh, you did?
They're showing it like crazy on Fox.
Most of the commentary.
All right, we'll discuss that.
We'll discuss what happened in Poland.
Do you mind talking about Esper?
Well, you know, I didn't watch it and I've always ignored him, but I can... But I have a cut that you can relate to.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, good.
Do we have the sound up in here so the secretary can hear a cut?
Uh, J.P.?
Yes, we do.
All right, then cut, play, cut, play, cut eight.
Cut eight.
All right, go ahead and take it.
What kind of terrible things did you prevent?
At various times, during certainly the last year of the administration, you have folks in the White House who are proposing to take military action against Venezuela, to strike Iran.
At one point, somebody proposed we blockade Cuba.
These ideas would happen, it seemed, every few weeks, something like this would come up.
We'd have to swat them down.
Who's we had to swat them down?
Well, mostly me.
I had good support from General Mark Milley.
Mark Esper and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Mark Milley, ran the Army for over a year before finding themselves in charge at the Pentagon.
In order to deal with what he calls some of the crazy ideas coming from the White House, Esper and Milley came up with a system.
I come up with this idea, actually Mark Milley and I discuss it, what we call the four no's.
The four things we had to prevent from happening Between then and the election.
And one was no strategic retreats, no unnecessary wars, no politicization of the military, and no misuse of the military.
Wow.
That's incredible.
You want to use that this second, I assume?
I'll just say one thing, if you really feel that way.
Then you do what General Mattis did, and that's resign.
Right, resign.
Exactly.
Like he was going to start a war before the election.
Yeah, right.
Unreal.
Well... It's interesting, did that have a lot of play on him?
candidate like 35 seconds.
Like a war.
Okay, we've got 30 seconds.
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Put that camera on.
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What have we got here?
We've got the bust from, yes, the original Batman movie with the switch that lets you go down into the Batcave.
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We've got the hotline because they don't trust Biden.
We've got the hotline phone right here as well on the table.
He's a man who knows what all this means.
He's got a good sense of humor and he understands national security.
The perfect guest to discuss Victory Day.
He is none other than former Secretary of Veterans Affairs in the Trump administration, Secretary Robert Wilkie.
Welcome back in studio.
Good to see you, Doctor.
So you watched a bit of the parade?
I watched almost all of them.
Okay, so tell us what we should know.
We've had a lot of events occurring in Warsaw.
The Russian ambassador was pelted with red paint for blood.
A lot of people, trolls on the social media all day, trying to forget the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, the pact between Nazi Germany and the Soviets, which I'm sure Putin would like to forget, given that this is the narrative he's using.
By the way, which gave the Soviet Union cover.
Let's talk about the military side.
Very subdued parade.
Right.
So talk to us about what conclusions we should draw from the parade and the narrative being used by this Russian Federation.
Well, let's let's talk about the military side.
Very subdued parade.
No new equipment.
In fact, they only paraded one T-34.
And I was thinking that this was the main Soviet battle tank in World War Two.
I was thinking they're taking the other ones out of the museum because Ukrainians have killed.
Right.
Very, very little in terms of military systems being paraded.
No planes flying over.
The line coming out of Moscow was that it was bad weather.
It was beautiful.
It was beautiful.
It was a completely clear day.
It was a clear day, clear sky.
There's never a lack of aircraft.
Well, let me give you some statistics.
That's fascinating.
Some statistics that have been floating around Jerusalem that I found stunning today.
He committed 70% of his conventional forces to Ukraine.
He's lost 20% of that force.
You cannot sustain a fight with losses of that level.
And that is what is happening to him.
He didn't mention Ukraine once in his remarks today.
He mentioned Donbass.
And then he did the typical Putin rewrite of Russian history that we stand against the Nazis.
Oh, and by the way, in the Great Patriotic War, the British had a little to do with the victory over Hitler.
He attacked the U.S.
in an interesting way.
He was playing on the issues, as I read them, of abortion.
Homosexual rights.
Hang on, hang on.
The Victory Day celebrations, he's talking about abortion in America?
He's talking about America's decadence.
He didn't mention those things directly, but he was going around about the decadence of the United States and its threat to the historic religious values of the Russian nation.
As a KGB colonel X.
As a KGB colonel, but he had the patriarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church sitting next to, well, they're actually to the side, in their traditional regalia.
The only thing missing was Putin holding an icon and blessing, having them blessing.
Because they have brought on, they are in full support of his actions.
And they are on the payroll.
This is a traditional Soviet trick that Putin learned from his masters.
That you trot out the priest when it's needed.
Stalin certainly did that.
And then at different times in the history of the Soviet Union, they were paraded out.
Well, people should understand that in the Orthodox system, there is, it's not a lack of, there is a denial of separation in church and state.
At an Orthodox ceremony, the mayor will walk in along with the Orthodox priest at the beginning of mass.
So it is the antithesis of what we have here.
So, you know, the state and the church is intertwined.
Yes, they are intertwined.
Another thing happened that shows you just how weak Putin's infrastructure is.
During the state broadcast, the state propaganda presentation, I'm guessing Ukrainian computer people hacked into the Russian television.
Really?
And when they put up the schedules, the schedules sort of suddenly disappeared and in its place was Russia is murdering.
Thousands of children, thousands of women.
On the broadcast?
Right before the broadcast.
That's fascinating stuff.
Which also goes to something you and I talked about many weeks ago, that the Ukrainians have broken into all of the Russian communication nets.
That's why it's been easy for them to find Russian generals, Russian admirals.
They're killing them by the score.
One last observation I had.
Gerasimov, the head of the Russian army, not the gangster who pretends to be a soldier, the defense minister.
My understanding from Israeli friends and British friends is that Gerasimov went to eastern Ukraine.
He got down to the squad level in terms of his visits.
Unusual for a Russian general.
And that he gave a report to Putin two days ago saying, you're in trouble.
You're in deep trouble.
We're losing.
With that in mind, I have to ask you your take on what clearly is the proximate objective of Russian forces.
It is to connect Mariupol with Odessa and to landlock Ukraine so that Ukraine's economy is just broken with an incapacity to export via shipping lanes.
Is that still possible or not?
Today it is not possible.
They are actually beginning to witness a counter-offensive to push Russian forces out of the Mariupol-Odessa corridor.
And the Russians are just holding on to their original conquests in eastern Ukraine, particularly in Donbas and Luhansk.
It is a remarkable reversal, but it points to the corruption of the Russian system.
There's no logistical tail to the Russian army.
There is no notion of combined operations.
You have oligarchs like the former owner of Chelsea Football Club.
Whose investments came from Russian tank factories.
Well, he was just taking the money that he was supposed to spend on the tank factories and investing it in soccer players and a very lavish lifestyle.
But this is playing out all over Russia.
The entire facade is coming down.
He is former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, served in the Air Force, served in Naval Intelligence.
He was responsible for the highest levels of the Pentagon for readiness and personnel.
Now he is Senior National Security Expert Contributor for Newsmax.
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We'll get his reaction here on the Salem radio network.
That was unique in that it was not the typical, as you see with Esper.
I was a patriot and brilliant and everyone else in the town was corrupt and stupid.
See for me, I sort of interject, but for me people in opposition whether you're a cabinet member or a politically commissioned officer of the president like I was, That requires a certain behavior after you leave office.
Absolutely.
And Rumsfeld's case, it was a life story.
In fact, most of it focused on his time with Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.
And he produced it long after he was out of office.
There's nothing wrong with that.
But what has happened with people like Mark Esper is they want to be on the circuit with the beautiful people.
But my issue, Robert, is who raised them?
Because what he's doing would be anathema to your parents.
Absolutely.
And my parents.
Absolutely.
It shows no value system.
And it is a refutation Of all of the things that you are supposed to stand for when you rise to the level of the cabinet, you serve at the pleasure of one man.
If you don't agree, as Cyrus Vance didn't agree with Desert One, as General Mattis didn't agree with Middle East policy, particularly Syria, then you have the option.
You're not press gang.
That's right.
You're not.
And it takes no courage to sound your alarm long after.
Exactly.
That's what is so disturbing.
You want to hear something funny?
I watched a whole analysis on the tires that they used on their tired vehicles.
Oh yeah.
So, not only did they not service them, the tires on most of those vehicles... Are rotten.
Not only are they rotten, they are cheap copies of the tires we used in the 60s made in China.
They're so corrupt, they were buying cheap crappy tires from China.
That didn't last once they were deployed.
That's right.
One other note, and this is for another time, Bennett, the Prime Minister, has invited Biden to Jerusalem.
Biden has accepted with a but, I'm going to East Jerusalem and we're going to reopen the consulate that Trump closed.
Who has reported that?
Jerusalem Post.
I always review them before I come on your show.
Incredible.
That's one of my biggest regrets.
I was invited to the opening of the embassy and I couldn't make it.
Did you really?
Yes.
Well, I actually was the first cabinet member, I think since Henry Kissinger, to address not only the Knesset, members of the Knesset, but also I gave the first speech at their September 11th memorial.
Really?
I'll send you a copy of it.
Yeah, please.
I've got to send you something as well from the best creminologist in the UK.
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Yep, title lock here.
And I'm going to use cut 8, but I'll tee it up.
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Another cabinet member was Mark Esper at the end of the Trump administration's secretary of defense, who is, I guess, trying to sell books or something about his strange way of running the Pentagon and not serving the president of the United States.
Cut eight.
What kind of terrible things did you prevent?
At various times during the certainly the last year of the administration, you have folks in the White House are proposing to take military action against Venezuela to strike Iran.
At one point, somebody proposed we blockade Cuba.
These ideas would happen, it seemed, every few weeks, something like this would come up.
We'd have to swat them down.
Who's we had to swat them down?
Well, mostly me.
I had good support from General Mark Milley.
Mark Esper and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Mark Milley, ran the Army for over a year before finding themselves in charge at the Pentagon.
In order to deal with what he calls some of the crazy ideas coming from the White House, Esper and Milley came up with a system.
I come up with this idea, actually Mark Milley and I discuss it, what we call the four no's.
The four things we had to prevent from happening between then and the election.
And one was no strategic retreats, no unnecessary wars, no politicization of the military, and no misuse of the military.
An obvious question to you as a former cabinet member.
Did you see your job, as Mark Esper did, to prevent the man who was elected from doing what he wanted to do?
No, my job was to give the President of the United States my best advice by also carrying out his strategic vision, how to run Veterans Affairs.
If you can't do that, then there is a way to address whatever problems you might have with The man who brought you to the cabinet table.
And that's what my former boss, Secretary Mattis did, which was resign.
So were you forced to become Secretary of Veterans Affairs?
Were you press ganged?
Did somebody say that you must do this?
No.
So if you'd had a big issue, you could have left.
I could have left, could have raised it with the president, and then left, could have raised it with the presidents, and I did my best.
But this is an interesting phenomena that is taking place.
It usually strikes Republican administrations after the fact.
Warriors who are claiming victory after... Well, this is the peculiarity, that to say after the fact, a year and a half later, this is how courageous I was.
Well, surely the courageous thing is if you're in the position and you walk away from it, the prestige and everything else, and you stand up for what you believe.
Isn't that the mark of somebody with honor?
That's right.
To raise the issue before the country, if you feel that the country is in need.
Yes.
First in private.
Yes.
And one of the things that you heard in that clip was talking about people asking about Cuba and Venezuela.
The Pentagon has room after room full of contingency plans.
My friends in Canada don't get alarmed.
There's even a contingency plan in the State Department that was written during the time of the Quebec Troubles.
What if Canada broke up?
Do you bring Canadian provinces into the United States?
Don't get shocked, guys.
Relax.
We even heard that somebody wrote a contingency paper about aliens and zombies.
And of course there's a contingency plan or set of plans for Cuba in the event that the Russians or the Chinese... We're out of time, but one question.
Is there something fundamentally wrong with the idea of using force against cartels in Mexico that have killed 100,000 Americans?
Absolutely not.
It is a national security threat, and it's one that President Trump took seriously.
It's one that we took seriously at the Pentagon.
Here's the dichotomy, dear friends, the idea that it's bad to strike cartels in Mexico killing Americans, but it's good to give the Russians intelligence to kill, to give the Ukrainians intelligence but it's good to give the Russians intelligence to kill, to give the Ukrainians That's the double standard.
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- This year in relief, 2000 in relief. - When do you think life begins?
Well, um, I'm in biomedical sciences.
Yeah, sure, life begins at conception.
Like, it is a life, yeah, but that doesn't mean that, like, the life of cells, a couple clumps of cells, is more important than me.
In the lab we consult all the time, and nobody seems to have a problem with that.
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Oh, that's audio coming from your phone, Jeff?
Mine.
Oh, that's you!
So confused for a moment.
I was like, is it my phone?
Okay, 30 seconds comms going down right now, and the mic's being muted.
You do have an opinion, though.
Thank you.
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All right, guys.
I have a thank you to say.
He doesn't even work for us.
He doesn't work for Salem.
He actually said on his show today, I work for Cumulus, and I wish I did it.
He actually said that in front of millions of people.
He's my buddy, Dan Bongino, former NYPD, former Secret Service.
And he spent hours today Because he'd seen it at the weekend on Dinesh D'Souza's new movie, 2000 Mules.
What do we do about it?
Let's first understand what happened, what we documented in the movie.
But first, here's Eric Holder with a very good idea that I think could be flipped.
Former Attorney General, the only Attorney General prior to Bill Barr to be held in contempt of Congress, cut sex.
At some point, people at the Justice Department, perhaps that prosecutor in Atlanta, are going to have to make a determination about whether or not they want to indict Donald Trump.
Would you do it?
Well, I think there's going to be sufficient factual information, and I think that there's going to be sufficient proof of intent.
And then the question becomes, what's the impact of such an indictment?
I'm an institutionalist.
My initial thought was not to indict the former president out of concern of how divisive it would be.
But given what we have learned, I think that he probably has to be held accountable.
I'm an institutionalist?
An institutionalist?
You're the guy who said in an interview as Attorney General, quote, I'm Obama's wingman.
As you're running the Department of Justice, you're his wingman?
That's how much of an institutionalist you are?
President Trump should be indicted?
What, like you were indicted for fast and furious?
For allowing Mexican drug cartels to illegally acquire weapons that you provided them?
Really?
Eric Holder?
Perhaps you're the one who should be indicted along with the following individuals.
So here is a precis of why 2,000 mules is so crucial.
You know in your gut they stole the election.
You know it.
You don't need to be there on the night they're counting.
You don't need to be there at the polling station at 4 a.m.
when the president's lead was magically flipped in four battleground states.
States which, by the way, may have had big democrat cities like Philadelphia But in each case, whose state legislature was controlled by the GOP.
The state legislature, which according to the U.S.
Constitution and the constitutions of those states, like Philadelphia, has the sole right to run elections in those states, even elections for federal positions like the president.
You don't need to be there seeing the banners being photocopied or staffed or forged.
You just knew that there's no way A decrepit old senile white guy, a machine politician of 47 years from Delaware, who couldn't get out of his basement during the campaign and when he did he'd talk to six empty painted circles as President Trump was filling stadia after stadia
With 40, 50, 60,000 people who are waiting overnight for two days, for three days, to see President Trump in the rain, in the heat.
You knew that the senile old wizened man didn't get more votes than the first black president in our history?
And how is it?
How is it possible that in 15 of the 16 bellwether counties, President Trump won.
The count is that every president who's won an election has had to win to win the Electoral College.
How is that possible?
How is it possible that he is the incumbent president with the most votes of any incumbent president in U.S.
history?
More votes than Obama got.
But Biden, from his basement, beat him?
So you knew in your marrow, you understood, that they stole it.
But they kept telling you, oh it didn't happen, that's a conspiracy theory.
The courts threw out the evidence, when in fact they did nothing of the case.
They refused to hear the evidence, which is not the same.
Just like the Supreme Court under Roberts failed us, said that Texas, the great Lone Star State of Texas, with 17 other additional states, had no standing to bring a case to the Supreme Court on the probity and the veracity of the presidential election, as if the President of America isn't the president for Texans
He's some kind of ethereal character that has nothing to do with Texas or those 16 other states.
That's not throwing out the evidence.
It's not even listening to the evidence.
But now you have the evidence.
And here it is.
But you need to see.
You need to see the footage.
You need to see the computer data.
These awful things.
These cell phones we carry around with us everywhere.
It doesn't matter what it is.
It doesn't matter if it's a flip phone.
Your phone is being pinged every couple of seconds and the location of your phone is being saved.
There are more than 400 apps that actively track your phone with three coordinates.
Longitude, latitude and altitude to tell exactly where you are.
So if you walk into that iTunes Apple Store, it'll send you a message.
Or it'll tell you on Google, hey, did you know there's a new product you should buy?
That information is available for anybody to buy.
Dinesh D'Souza, with his team at Truth or Vote, bought it for 2,000 mules in battleground states.
Then, with the Freedom of Information Act, acquired more than 40 million minutes of footage from the municipal buildings outside of which Zuckerberg's Dropboxes were positioned.
He used the geolocating data cross-referenced with the video to find the evidence of more than 400,000 illegal ballots.
Ballots harvested in states like Georgia where it is a crime to harvest a ballot.
That's as tight as I can summarize it for you.
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Thank you for sending us that.
Now I need to talk to Mr. G. I have a question to ask you, Jeff, but first, so many cuts I haven't played.
What is one that you recommend we have to share before our special guest?
The cuts today?
Oh, you got to do... Where is the abortion activist?
Oh, Cut 5.
Yes.
All right, we'll do that in a second.
All right, so get that ready, Eric.
Cut 5, Looney Tunes, MSNBC.
But I need the latest update from you.
We had Kathy Barnett on the show last week.
She is just two points under Dr. Oz in the latest Trafalgar Poll for the Senate out of Pennsylvania.
Have you reached out to his team again?
Because I know that you're in communication with Dr. Oz's PR firm and his team.
What did they say to you, Jeff?
They must have one heck of a schedule, because I keep hearing getting back to you on the schedule, but that's all I get.
I'm checking schedule, getting back to you, but that's it.
Then I ask again, checking schedule, getting back to you.
Do they say we'll circle back like Jen?
That's basically what we're getting, because we're never getting the answer to the schedule.
So here's the question.
You are a canny observer of the political beast.
Do you think they're afraid of little old me and our show?
I do, and I'm losing a little bit of faith in Dr. Oz.
As I said, I don't think he's as bad as people are saying.
I think he is a good candidate, but I'm starting to lose a little faith in him.
Dr. Oz.
Three million people.
This is the MAGA base.
You want to win in Pennsylvania?
You should come on the show.
Are you as brave as Kathy Barnett?
We'll find out.
Okay, let's play that crazy cut.
This is abortion activist Renee Sherman on MSNBC.
The sad fact is that they have been arresting us for years.
They've been arresting people who are having suspicion of self-managing their abortions, who experience miscarriage and stillbirth.
They are arresting us.
What's going to happen is they're going to continue to do that.
They have always lied when they said they would never arrest us.
So that is why, if we are pro-choice, we need to call for the defunding of police, and we need to call for the ending of criminalization of pregnancy overall.
Eric, if women were getting arrested for having abortions, do you think the mainstream media would report it?
Oh, I think there would be like a 30-page cover story on Time magazine, for starters.
Yeah, there'd be Pulitzer Prizes.
They'd be giving out Pulitzer Prizes like candy.
That's how insane she is and the left is.
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Welcome, dear friends.
This is America First, one-on-one with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, on the Salem News Channel.
So...
We've heard a lot about justice, social justice, equity and equality in the last few years.
But what's the truth?
Who are the real racists and bigots?
Who are using discrimination as a function of policy in this nation?
Well, there might be a clue if you think about this clip from the presidential campaign from the man who unfortunately ended up in the White House.
You got more questions, but I tell you, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black.
Really?
That's...
What we think of politics in America.
Skin color should determine outcomes even of presidential elections.
Let's talk to somebody who's fighting back against that bigotry.
A brave man who I heard speak for the first time recently at an amazing event in New Jersey.
It was the seat at the table conference.
Kenny Hsu.
Welcome.
President of Color Us United to America First.
Thank you so much for having me.
So we'll talk about your organization.
We'll talk about the book that you have been discussing at events like the Seat at the Table across the nation.
But first, for those who are not familiar with you or your work, will you give us a little bit about your background and how you ended up doing what you're doing today?
Kenny?
Sure.
I was a math major in college.
I went to Davidson College.
I did not have any experience speaking on these issues, but I knew from my time applying for college that Asian and Asian-Americans were always going to be held to a higher standard just because of their skin color.
And I thought that that was wrong.
But so many of my Asian-American friends didn't really buy into that or they bought into that Kool-Aid.
They started saying things like, well, you know, you wouldn't want too many Asians on your college campus anyways.
And that was very offensive because Asian Americans are very diverse and they're very different people.
So I started speaking out about this.
I started speaking out about Harvard's discrimination against Asian Americans, which led to a Supreme Court case that is now being litigated at the highest court of the land.
It could overturn race-based admissions forever.
It's called Students for Fair Admissions versus Harvard.
And since then I've become the president of Color Us United and what we do is we fight for a race-blind America.
And we believe that that's the principle that should motivate us, not race.
So will you just share with us some of the shocking statistics that you divulged at the conference in New Jersey than yesterday on my show on Newsmax when it comes to the barriers, the official barriers That are being put in place by deans of admissions, by the directors of admissions at these very prestigious schools in America.
So give us the nuts and bolts because I think most people will not believe what is being done to the Asian American community.
Yeah, this is my, this is the results of my investigation in my new book, An Inconvenient Minority.
And the results are staggering.
They are, Staggering.
Asian Americans have to score 440 points higher on the SAT to have the same chance of admission as a black person, and 150 points higher to have the same chance of admission as a white person.
Asians actually score highest academically in the admissions process to Harvard.
They score highest extracurricularly, and then Harvard penalizes Asians by calling them the lowest on this personality score.
Now, what is a personality score, you may ask?
It's a test of what they call likability, good humor, leadership skills.
It's very subjective.
And Asians seem to pass with flying colors.
They get the highest scores on alumni interviews.
They get the highest scores on teacher recommendations.
A second highest on counselor recommendations.
But Harvard rates them lowest anyway.
Hmm.
Very suspicious.
Seems like Asians are being discriminated in this process.
Well, that's just shocking.
Forget the personality scores, but having to score 400 points higher than the black applicant to the same school.
Please, I'm not a lawyer, and you've written the book, Inconvenient Minority, but since 1972 we've had the Equal Opportunities Act.
How is this practice, whether it's Yale, Harvard, whether it's Thomas Jefferson, not far from this studio, one of the most prestigious STEM schools in America, that likewise is doing exactly the same, is discriminating against the best students, because TJ, as it's called, was of course full of incredibly high-performing STEM students from the Korean community, from the Asian community.
Now it's discriminating against them.
How is this legally justified, or how is this, excuse the naive question, Kenny, how is this legally possible?
Huh.
Well, it's possible because of a Supreme Court decision in 1979 called Regents of California versus Bakke, which said that colleges could use race in admissions as one factor.
And the funny thing about that decision was that was decided by, it was decided like a, it was a 5-4 Very split.
And actually one of the justices, Lewis Powell, was a Harvard alum who praised Harvard's admissions process.
He said, Harvard uses race and admissions, but they don't use quotas.
And he didn't want the appearance of racial preferences in the system, but he still allowed universities to use racial preferences, which in a way is even worse than if you just said, okay, fine, you guys can use racial quotas.
Because at least in racial quotas, everybody knows that there's certain percentage is going to be admitted because of their race.
But now Harvard resorts to using these things like personality scores to discriminate and do the discrimination work for them instead, which is even more stereotypical and honestly, even more offensive.
I have to ask you, and I'm not trying to do, you know, identity politics, that's just what the left does, but I'm curious, in the Asian community, so there is this cliche, if you will, of the tiger mom, the really merit-concentrated Asian family, in America and elsewhere, What is the reaction of the community to these stories?
Whether it's a high school in Northern Virginia, whether it's Yale, whether it's Harvard, is there some kind of backlash?
Because clearly what this community is being told is the extra hours, the hard work, the determination, isn't worth it because you're the wrong skin color as a white student was recently told um who's applying to medical school who was a grade a student at his college by an asian
Professor of medicine, who was a conservative, she said to him, you know the trouble with you applying to med school now?
You're the wrong color.
And also you're a heterosexual.
So this is an Asian saying to a white student, sorry dude, you may be a grade A student, but you're the wrong color.
Has there been any reverse effect?
How is the community responding to all these cases?
So when I go out on tour, and I just did a best-selling book tour for my new book, An Inconvenient Minority, but when I go out on a tour and I talk to ordinary Asian Americans, the Asian Americans actually usually respond with relief.
And I'll tell you why.
Because growing up, we were told that if you work hard and study hard, if you got the best grades, the best scores, if you participate in these clubs, you would get in.
And maybe that was a toxic mentality in and of itself, but it at least was a meritocratic mentality.
At least it incentivized and inspired us to work hard.
Because when you're a young kid and you're academically high achieving, what do you want in general?
Generally, you want to get into a top college.
You want that affirmation.
And so now, seeing the data unfold, seeing the data that was forced out of Harvard's hands, Harvard did not want to reveal the data.
A judge ruled that they had to give it over to the group suing them.
Seeing that data revealed and seeing how it proves that Harvard is actually racially discriminating is a big relief.
Because it shows that because these Asians, they go through the whole life, then they get rejected by the schools that they know that they are on merit qualified for.
And they blame themselves.
Many of them blame themselves.
And I'm here to tell them, no, you shouldn't blame yourself.
Really, this is the result of a DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion ideology that does not like people like you.
It just doesn't want more people like you.
It was not invented for you.
It was invented for other minorities.
You're just caught in the middle.
They treat you as white.
They treat you worse than they treat white people.
No.
That's what it is.
They call Asians white adjacent.
That's what they call them.
Incredible.
Incredible.
All right.
We've only just begun the discussion.
His website is inconvenientminority.com.
That is the title of his book, An Inconvenient Minority.
You've got to follow him.
He's the president of Color Us United.
on social media it's kenny m shu that's x u kenny m x u i'm sebastian gawker this is america first if you enjoy our show don't forget you can get every single episode of one-on-one if you go to your favorite podcast channel go to podcast plug in america first plug in my name And you'll never miss an episode.
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Kenny, you mentioned a couple of catchphrases there or acronyms, terminology.
Let's unpack the truth.
It used to be about equality, racial equality, equality in civil rights.
Now we have this phrase, or this word, equity, and we have the acronym DEI, so diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Will you talk to us about why these nice-sounding words are actually more divisive than ever before?
Yes, let's unpack these terms.
Okay.
Why is the left switching from equality to equity, right?
Equality says, we're just going to treat you on your merit.
We're going to give you equal opportunity to succeed.
But after that, it's on you.
Like you got to compete for it.
We don't believe in equal outcomes.
We don't even believe in equal racial outcomes, right?
We're going to give everybody a public education.
We're going to give everybody access to healthcare, whatever you want to call it.
This used to be what liberalism was, by the way.
And then we'll let you compete, or liberalism at least purported to be.
But now they're replacing that term with equity.
Why?
Because they don't like competition.
Now they're going to force the racial outcomes that they want, even if it compromises equal opportunity.
Here's what I mean.
So they say, for example, That the achievement gap right now in terms of test scores is inequitable because black students tend to do worse on the SAT instead of white students.
So what does Harvard do?
What are top colleges in the school doing in the U.S.
right now?
Well, they decide they want to eliminate the SAT.
Not because anything's wrong with the SAT.
Yeah, it's a test and it's not the only thing that you should base your admissions off of, but it's not inherently racist or discriminatory.
It's just because for reasons that are not related to racism.
Black students tend to do worse on the SAT than white students.
And they're embarrassed by that.
And so they're going to destroy it.
Can I stop you there?
Isn't the problem with the SAT exactly the point of the SAT that it is a blind measure of skill?
You don't fill in the Asian box or the black box.
It is a blind measure of whether or not you have those skills.
Isn't that the problem with the SAT, Kenny?
That is absolutely the case.
In fact, the SAT and standardized tests in general was invented to oppose discrimination.
It is an anti-discriminatory measure because everyone gets the same test.
It doesn't matter if you're black or white or Asian.
Everybody knows what the questions are relatively going to be because everybody can pull up a practice SAT or a previous one and the next one is going to be relatively like it.
Anybody can do it.
Anybody can be successful at it.
So that's why this is an affront to the idea that the SAT is intentionally discriminatory.
Talk to us about this new favorite acronym that is even being used in the workification of corporations across America, DEI.
Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, also known as DEI, I would like to call it D.I.E.
Die.
It's actually an old ideology, but it's recently metastasized within corporate America.
It basically says that corporate America is too white-dominated, and we need to put more minorities into the highest rungs of D.E.I.
Now, D.E.I.
never says, You know, the NBA is too black, because it's 75% black.
And DEI only cares, of course, when industries or professions are too white-dominated.
That's when you start to see it.
And they basically prey off of this white guilt.
This guilt at there not being enough minorities in the pipeline.
Guilt which It's unfounded.
It's unfounded.
Because if you actually take a look at, for example, the percentage of math PhDs in the nation, the talent pipeline, unfortunately, for black Americans is relatively lower.
So even if you were hiring and promoting completely meritocratically, you would still get racially inequitable outcomes.
So you shouldn't feel guilty about it.
But DEI tries to make you feel guilty about it.
You're a math guy, and it's interesting that James Lindsay was also a math guy before he got into fighting CRT and the workification of academe.
How is there not a common sense response to this, Kenny, whereby if you're in the STEM world, let's start there, knowing stuff really matters.
We can debate what Aristotle meant for the next thousand years, but whether or not A structural girder in a bridge can actually stand the weight of 2,000 trucks in a day is not a matter of opinion.
That is a statistical measurement.
Therefore, the meritocratic measure of your capacity to do math matters.
So isn't there some kind of way to say, hang on guys, you're undermining the institution's quality in and of itself by even applying quotas?
Right.
By applying quotas, you are undermining, seriously undermining our culture of excellence.
Even slight quotas will do this because it's going to teach children the wrong incentive.
It's going to teach children to pine for their victimhood.
That's how they get rewarded rather than being genuinely productive.
And I'll give you another example about this, uh, and how this equity kills cultures of excellence.
Let's talk about South Africa.
Okay.
South Africa, was organized on apartheid, okay?
It was organized.
It was an oppressive system to black Africans.
They would just call them colored, not colored.
They would call them black Africans there.
But the new government came in that was anti-apartheid, and they imposed these racial quotas, and they expropriated land from white farmers.
And the problem with that is that the white farmers were also the farmers who had the most institutional knowledge of the land because they've been farming that land for hundreds of years.
So as soon as they took all the land from these white farmers and forced reparations and took all of these white people from management positions and replaced them with their political comrades, favorites, the production of South Africa's economy went seriously down.
South Africa went from having one of the world's strongest agricultural economies to now constantly needing food rationing in short supply because of this decline in expertise.
And it's so obvious.
It's like saying, you know, airline pilots should be chosen upon their ethnic makeup and their skin color.
No, no, I want a pilot, irrespective of his skin color, who can damn, you know, damn well fly the plane.
So whether it's an economy, whether it's agriculture, it seems like common sense.
But of course, that is not what the left is applying right now.
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Well, Kenny, you've written this superlative work, Inconvenient Minority.
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I know you're not a psychiatrist.
You're not a group psychologist, but you are out there.
You are traveling the nation talking about this discrimination.
I have to ask a question based upon my personal experience.
I was a fellow at Harvard in the 90s, in 98-99, and I went to the Kennedy School as a fellow, I took some courses, and right there in the 90s, at the end of the 90s, I saw reverse discrimination.
I saw people who were there at, you know, Harvard, who were clearly there because somebody said, oh, you're the right skin color, you need to be here.
And in my year there, I saw these people suffer.
I saw them, you know, out of their depth.
I saw them struggling to keep up.
And I wondered to myself, and now after I've met you, I wonder even more, isn't there some kind of really detrimental effect you're having on those you think you're helping by putting them in a situation that they're not ready for?
Isn't this like a double whammy for the community that they're supposed to be assisting, Kenny?
First of all, thank you for mentioning that I'm touring the nation and you can book me at colorusunited.org, which is the organization that I represent.
Second of all, let's talk about, yes, let's talk about the damaging effects of racial preferences on the people that they're supposedly trying to help.
So new studies have been released.
Unfortunately, African Americans who get in because of affirmative action into these top law schools, for example, tend to graduate at the bottom 25% of their law schools.
That leads to lower salaries, That leads to lower confidence.
And these people, if they were just matched to the law schools in which they were qualified for, they could have graduated at the top of the class.
They could have been well sought after for partnerships, law firms, everything like that.
So I don't even get the sense that racial preferences is actually even helping these black individuals.
Furthermore, a new study showed That black STEM majors tend to drop out of STEM at much higher rates because of affirmative action, because they were put into courses in which they're ill-equipped to compete.
Whereas if they were put into courses that they were ready at the time to compete in, they would have succeeded and probably would have continued on with that major and possibly their dream career.
Let me ask you, since you are traveling the nation, what is the response you're getting?
Because, you know, we're talking about Harvard, Yale, we're talking about, you know, elite, very high-performing high schools in the DC area.
Is this a very localized phenomenon?
What is the feedback you're getting elsewhere?
No, this is very much a national phenomenon.
I'll tell you what, I'll tell you a story of a time that I went to New Jersey, actually, And I was basically speaking in front of a largely Latino crowd, and I was talking about, what is the American dream to you guys?
It's that you come to this country, legally, you come to this country, and you work hard, and you'll be treated on the basis of that hard work.
You won't be treated on the basis of your background.
That's the American dream.
Immigrants generally don't come into this country.
Some do, but most don't.
They don't generally come to this country seeking handouts, they want to work, they want to achieve, and they want to be treated on the basis of that achievement.
And that really resonated with the crowd that day.
Because they do believe, and we all believe, that we should be treated on the content of our character, not the color of our skin.
But as woke ideology is turning us in a new direction, they want to treat us on the color of our skin.
Yeah, absolutely shocking stuff.
We need to do something about it.
What do we do?
That's going to be our next question for our guest.
He is Kenny Hsu.
You've got to read the book Inconvenient Minority.
You've got to check out his website.
Book him, okay?
He's a very, very active guy.
He's fighting for the truth.
We need more like him.
Go to www.inconvenientminority.com.
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Where are the teachers in all of this?
You're helping students, you're helping families.
Americans who believe in meritocracy.
Is there any resistance from the people who really should be the primary gate that says, hang on a second, I'm here for academic excellence.
I'm not going to undermine that with some policy that dilutes or stops meritocracy.
Is there any pushback from the academic members of these institutions?
Well, I think the teachers are some of the worst affected of them all, actually, based on the many conversations that I've had with them.
And I'll tell you why.
I'm not even talking about elite colleges anymore.
Think about your elementary school teacher, okay?
In some of these inner-city communities, right, there's a strong incentive already for teachers to avoid pain by going to higher income communities.
to teach.
So when a teacher actually does take the risk and they say, okay, I'm going to go to the inner city and I'm going to work my hardest and teach these guys math and reading.
And suddenly they're confronted with all kinds of woke bureaucracy within these schools.
For example, discipline standards have dropped dramatically in the name of equity.
Wokesters and leftists have said that because too many black kids are being disciplined by their professor, we need to lower discipline standards for the sake of equity.
So what happens in these classrooms is that 80% of the kids want to learn, but then they're completely distracted by these 20% who basically are there to destroy the function of the classroom.
And as a result, these 80% of the kids can't even learn, the teacher cannot instill order because she has no power to suspend or expel these kids because of these arbitrary woke discipline standards.
So I think that's just one example.
And I could go into more, but teachers are some of the worst hit from woke ideology.
Tell us about as a science person yourself.
What are the potential long-term ramifications?
So, if we look at, yes, these are institutions with prestigious reputations, often tens of billions of dollars worth of endowments.
So, in theory, they could self-perpetuate and last forever or a long time, simply because of the money and the resting on the laurels of past reputation.
But if you're a man of science, if you do the long-term scenario planning, all of this is going to have a severely detrimental effect on the institutions themselves, let alone the students who are being discriminated against, surely.
Right.
And let me tell you why.
I am a man of science, and so are you.
Research universities in our country, especially the top ones, have historically done a significant amount for the innovation and excellence culture in our country.
That's why we pay them the big bucks, right?
That's why we're giving MIT, you know, $10 billion endowment, Stanford $15 billion endowment.
So when they suddenly turn their head and they say, we're not going to admit the most meritorious, we're going to admit based on woke standards, we're going to lower the curriculum.
We're going to lower the curriculum standards.
We're going to force with racial preferences people who have no business being in our college in our college.
What they're doing is they're basically saying they're giving the big middle finger to all of the donors and supporters in this country who have bet on these research universities to produce the next generation of excellent people in the next generation of innovations.
So I do think that this ideology as it continues down its road that it's already going and accelerating In 30 years, it's going to hugely impact our culture of excellence in this country.
Tell us about, and that's something that, again, will not be able to be fixed.
You can't fix that in a week.
You can't fix that in a month or a year.
That will take decades to unravel, should it be recognized.
Tell us about your organization that you run.
What is Color Us United?
We had one of your amazing young fellows on the show, and he invited me on his podcast.
Wow, what a sharp guy he was.
Tell us about your organization and why you created it.
Well, I love Christian Watson.
You should follow him as well.
He's our spokesman.
Since you mentioned his name, when I went on his show...
Within 15 minutes on air, I said, I want everybody to know this is one of the best interviews anybody has ever done with me because of who's doing it.
And then he told me that he's 21 years old and I basically fell off my chair.
So I don't know where you found that guy, but Christian Watson, dude, we need a lot of more young black men like Christian Watson in America, but sorry, carry on.
Tell us about your organization.
Yeah, well, we're here to inject some real nerve and talent into this movement for meritocracy.
Color Us United, we represent you, the employee of woke corporations who are being oppressed by their policies.
So you go to colorusunited.org, you sign up, even leave a tip.
Talk about, you know, what the new policy, the new agendas are going on in your big companies and we go out and fight them for you, on your behalf.
We took on the Salvation Army last year for asking their members to repent for racism.
the least racist people in the country asking to repent for racism.
We won.
We forced them to rescind their anti-racism packet.
Now we're doing the same thing with American Express, aka Un-American Express.
They've been imposing racial quotas in their hiring.
We will fight, and we will win for you.
So go to colorusunited.org and sign up.
All right, that's colorusunited.org.
Your website is InconvenientMinority.
And do you still have, was there a website, do I remember, for the campaign against the woke, the racism of American Express?
What was that, Kenny?
Yes, that's UnAmericanExpress.com.
UnAmericanExpress.com.
This is a credit card company that is turning quickly into a social credit card company.
So find that with us and please support our campaign.
This is what gives me hope.
When I meet people like Kenny, when I hear about these initiatives, meet his colleagues like Christian Watson, this is when you realize, guys, with you, if you follow the lead, if you become a catalyst like Kenny, like Christian, like his colleagues, everything is possible.
This isn't some case where you just keep your head down and you have to, you know, Avoid the the ire of the woke karate.
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So I broached that option that many people have, and now I'm going to say it more explicitly, Kenny, and I asked you this on my Newsmax show, but I think this is the most important thing that you can help us with.
I think the vast majority of people, whether they're white, Asian, or a minority that's being discriminated against, They're being told by their parents or they feel themselves, okay, it's just three years.
It's just four years.
I'm just going to keep my head down.
I'm going to fill in the garbage, woke answer in the test that I don't believe in.
So I just don't get penalized or punished by my professor.
And then I'm out of here with my diploma.
Why is that the wrong thing to do?
It's the wrong thing to do because maybe 30 years ago, That was an okay thing to do.
And by the way, that was what a lot of my Asian culture was teaching our sons and our daughters.
Go focus on being a doctor.
Go focus on excelling in the competence economy.
And that's a great thing.
I love my doctor friends.
They're doing incredible, amazing work.
But if we don't start raising up people in the political sphere, even those doctors are going to have their lives crushed by This leftist woke ideology.
You know why?
Because this is an anti-meritocratic ideology.
It does not want excellence.
Asians are already continuing to be discriminated in top medical schools in the country.
In fact, one medical school calculator that calculates your odds of getting into a medical school only asks for three things.
They ask for your MCAT score, your college GPA, and your race.
Because they know that if you're Asian, you're going to be discriminated against in this process.
If you're white, you're going to be discriminated against in this process.
So we're undermining our culture of excellence, and we're hurting our children's futures.
You have to raise people to stand up for this.
If you don't, you will be crushed under the woke motor.
The woke motor.
All right.
I'm going to do something inappropriate right now as we close out.
Kenny Hsu, how old are you?
24.
Wow.
Where are the other Kenny Shoes?
Where are the other Christian Watsons?
This is inspirational.
I want to say thank you as an immigrant to this nation, as a legal immigrant who chose to come here because I believe that this is the shining city on the hill, that this is the greatest nation on God's green earth.
Wow.
Thank you for what you are doing.
Thank you for your bravery.
Thank you for your courage.
The book you've got to read is An Inconvenient Minority.
He is the president and the founder of Color Us United.
Please support them.
Don't just check them out.
Support them.
If you believe in meritocracy, if you believe that this is the land of opportunity, irrespective of skin color, go to colorusunited.org.
Keep doing it, my friend.
And next time when you're in the swamp, you've got to come in my studio.
That's Kenny Hsu.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
This has been America First One-on-One.
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