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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Biden busted on fake press conference

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	I still want to get back to your original words that he cannot remain in power.
	Can you help us understand?
	You have more foreign policy experience than any president who has ever held this office.
	Whether those are your personal feelings or your feelings as president, do you understand why people would believe you, as someone commanding one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world, saying someone cannot remain in power is a statement of U.S.
	policy?
	And also, are you concerned about propaganda use of those remarks by the Russians?
	No and no.
	Tell me why.
	You have so much experience.
	You are the leader of this country.
	Because it's ridiculous.
	Nobody believes we're going to take down... I was talking about taking down Putin.
	I wonder if Putin thinks you're going to take down Putin.
	That could be a good question to ask.
	Because let's listen to the words you actually spoke when you were in Europe.
	Slow Joe.
	Cut to from yesterday.
	Ukraine will never be a victory for Russia, for free people refused to live in a world of hopelessness and darkness.
	We will have a different future, a brighter future, rooted in democracy and principle, hope and light, of decency and dignity, of freedom and possibilities.
	For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power.
	I hate saying it, but that is the President of the United States who said that.
	For God's sake, this man cannot stay in power.
	That wasn't in the bowels of the White House.
	It wasn't on a secure VTC, video teleconference, from inside the crisis situation room underneath the West Wing.
	Wasn't a flip comment in the Oval Office with one of your lackeys.
	You were standing in front of television cameras broadcasting live.
	And what is a principle?
	Principle?
	You can't say the word principle.
	How hard is it for a grown human being to say the word principle?
	We know you're senile.
	We know you've had two brain aneurysms.
	Why does anyone let you talk off teleprompter?
	Oh, by the way, this is America First and I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	There are geopolitical ramifications for every single blunder made in the 48 hours that you took to make those presentations in Europe.
	Let's talk about them for a second, shall we?
	You said, first off, that if Putin uses chemical weapons, we will respond in kind, which means we will use chemical weapons.
	Now either you don't understand the meaning of the phrase in kind, option number one, or option number two, you don't know That it's illegal for America, since 1972 when we signed the Chemical and Biological Weapons Treaty, to use chemical weapons offensively.
	It is illegal, according to our statute and international law.
	Or maybe the third, and I don't even want to mention this, maybe you know something that you shouldn't divulge about our capabilities.
	And perhaps that's the worst of all scenarios.
	Or whether when you're addressing in Poland the next day, members of the 82nd Airborne in uniform, discussing the war in Ukraine, the tragedy, the women's suffering, the children being shelled, and you say, and you will soon see when you are there.
	What, what?
	Are you doing it again?
	Are you revealing classified intentions from a pulpit into a microphone on camera that America is going to deploy troops to Ukraine?
	And when challenged, what did you respond?
	You said, no, no, no, I meant the Ukrainians we're training in Poland.
	What?
	Sorry?
	When did we start training Ukrainians in Poland?
	Did you just do it again?
	Did you just give out classified information?
	Or are you just so senile, such non-compos mentis?
	So, challenge, not just intellectually, because what did Robert Gates, your colleague in the Obama administration, a member of the cabinet, say about you?
	There hasn't been a significant foreign policy issue that Joe hasn't been wrong about for 40 years!
	Well, can we make that 50 now?
	That was Robert Gates!
	Hardly a classic neocon, paleocon conservative.
	A bureaucrat, a survivor who's been in every serious job in the defence sector for nigh on 40 years and he's in Obama's cabinet.
	And as if that weren't enough, then you extemporise and you play the clip we just played.
	Yes, this man must be removed.
	I guarantee you that clip is being used every day, every hour, by Russian state television, which, by the way, is the only television in Russia.
	More than 80% of the information Russians glean comes from television.
	More than 80%, and it is state-controlled.
	And when one of the remaining journalists In America, bless you Peter Doocy, actually reiterates for you the three things you said in Europe and asks you to explain why you're going to deploy troops to Ukraine, why you're going to use chemical weapons and why you're calling for a regime change.
	What is your response?
	Cut three.
	It sounded like you told U.S.
	troops they were going to Ukraine.
	It sounded like you said it was possible the U.S.
	would use a chemical weapon.
	And it sounded like you were calling for regime change in Russia.
	And we know... None of the three occurred.
	And you're going to see when you're there, some of you have been there, you're going to see, you're going to see women, young people, standing in the middle of the front of a damn tank, just saying, I'm not leaving.
	I'm holding my ground.
	There you have it.
	I think that's pretty impeachable, isn't it?
	Is it the nature of the response or do depend on the nature of the use?
	For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power.
	There you have it.
	I think that's pretty impeachable, isn't it?
	I mean, I think that's pretty impeachable.
	Wanting to start World War III and then lying about it 72 hours later.
	Who cut those together, Mr. D?
	Was that you?
	Was that John?
	Who was that?
	That was John Cassio.
	That's nicely done.
	That little fade in the middle with the rotation.
	I liked it.
	Who hired him?
	Was that me?
	That was good.
	I think I knew him.
	You think that was you?
	No, it was you.
	Can we just play that every 15 minutes on our social media platforms?
	Why did you say these three things?
	I didn't say them.
	Uh, here they are.
	In case you forgot.
	Is he lying?
	Is he dumb?
	Is he senile?
	Yes!
	Yes, and yes.
	And here's the... Here's the gut check.
	What happens if we get rid of him?
	What happens if Nancy pulls the 25th amendment on him?
	Kamala?
	Yeah, she's stupid.
	The woman who says, Ukraine, it's a country in Europe.
	Russia is next door.
	They invaded.
	And that's bad.
	Yeah, that woman is going to be president?
	She may not be senile, but she's a disaster.
	The point person for the border.
	If anything, anything should get you engaged in politics to help the MAGA revolution take back not just the House and the Senate and then the White House, but every school board in the country.
	It's that one clip for 41 seconds that we showed you.
	Three years of this?
	No, let's stop it.
	At least we can pull the funding if we take the House.
	All right, off to a good start.
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	Rifles.
	All right, Mike's back.
	Okay, so if I just say 11.
	It'll be the shorter version.
	Yeah Okay, you know it might be impeachable in there each said Ukrainian women.
	I mean isn't that birthing people oh?
	That's a good one when you listen to that clip again, it's oh Seeing them in front of tanks.
	Hang on.
	Holding their positions in Poland?
	Where they're not being attacked?
	In Poland, right.
	What?
	Really?
	I love how you went straight to women.
	I'm going to grab a coffee.
	I'm also going to draw them in.
	I'm going to grab a coffee.
	I'm going to grab a coffee.
	I'm going to grab a coffee.
	Mike's back on as I call him.
	Hello, Mr. Hoffman.
	Can you hear us?
	Yep, how's it going?
	It's going good, how are you doing?
	America First, hold please.
	Okay.
	Alright, we're live on the video streams as always.
	We're 90 seconds from going back out on the radio.
	Angle looks good, audio sounds good.
	Seb stepped out, he'll be back in in a bit.
	Okay.
	Who did lobby for VP?
	She didn't lobby to be vice president.
	Who?
	It'd be dumb by now if she was there.
	She's nowhere near that stupid.
	You've got to mention that, Jeff.
	You've got to mention that.
	That who didn't lobby for VP?
	Hillary.
	Oh, my God, yeah.
	That would be quite something.
	He would have been out- I think he would have been out within the first year, honestly.
	He would have had a- he would have- I mean, this is a disaster, isn't it?
	Oh my god, yeah, it really is.
	But no, like, within a year of his presidency, he would have suddenly, like, smothered himself with his pillow in his sleep or something, mysteriously.
	How short is that cut one now, Geoff?
	It's like 20 some seconds.
	20 seconds.
	I might use that here with Dan.
	Hey, Dan!
	Cut 11, you mean.
	Hey, how's it going?
	Good, good, good, good.
	Oh, you mean cut 11, right?
	No, the kids.
	Oh, that's still like a minute.
	A minute?
	Okay.
	It's still, yeah, fairly long.
	All right, so Israel.
	Are they running ragged at Fox?
	Ah, no, it's not too bad.
	This isn't very difficult for me, honestly.
	Yeah.
	Our kids run me more ragged than a fox.
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	So delighted to have him as our first guest of the day.
	A man who says on his Twitter feed that he is a former senior clandestine services officer of the CIA.
	That's really sexy.
	I prefer former Moscow, chief of station, Dan Hoffman.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks.
	Always great to be with you.
	I follow this man right now on Twitter, Daniel Hoffman DC.
	I'm gonna have fun with you this time.
	I was watching the news and there was a chyron from the, what's that joke of a person, John Kirby's giving a press conference right now from the Pentagon, and the chyron underneath him, the banner quoting him says, war could end If Putin does the right thing.
	When do KGB colonels do the right thing in your experience, Daniel Hoffman?
	I haven't seen that yet.
	Ever.
	And I think this is another indication.
	I mean, I think I watched that press conference up until I got on on your program.
	And, you know, Admiral Kirby's trying to caveat these statements a little bit.
	But at the end of the day, what's really important for the Biden administration is that they see the world as it is, not as they wished it would be.
	Bingo.
	They've been guilty of that on Afghanistan, for sure.
	They're guilty of it on Iran, where Secretary Blinken talked about a longer and stronger deal.
	That's just not, that's, I think, in my opinion, at least kind of willfully naive assessment of Iran.
	And on Russia, Vladimir Putin's intentions.
	Vladimir Putin, we have to track the troop movements and track how they behave on the battlefield.
	And we really can't make an assessment one way or the other until we can see their actions.
	And that's going to take a few hours or days.
	Before we can really do that.
	All right, so let's talk about this.
	You were running assets, you were doing a collection against one of the hardest targets in the world.
	When people say, who've never ever been tailed from Sheremetyev Airport in Moscow like you have by the FSB, when they say, We have to give Putin an off-ramp.
	I mean, is this how geopolitics works with a former KGB colonel?
	Because when we were in the Trump administration, when we saw 300 Russians messing around in Syria, we just whacked them.
	We didn't give them an off-ramp.
	We said, you're not destabilizing the Middle East.
	President Trump said, take them out, Mattis, and he did.
	Can you talk to us about the concept of off-ramps for KGB colonels?
	Yeah, so let's just look at the reality first.
	And Vladimir Putin doesn't see an off-ramp for himself.
	At least at the moment, we're not detecting that.
	He's kind of barreling, you know, full force down the highway.
	There's no off-ramp for him.
	He's raining down hell on Ukraine's civilian population.
	And he should pay for that.
	Now, there might be an off-ramp for the Russian military and their security services if they do the right thing.
	And this is where President Biden missed an opportunity in Poland.
	When he said that, you know, for God's sake, this man Putin can't remain in power, that wasn't a bad thing to say.
	What he could have said was, hey, I implore you, Russian military, stop taking orders from the KGB guy in the Kremlin to target innocent Ukrainian civilians with lethal strikes.
	That's got to stop.
	There's still a chance for the United States and Russia to have a productive relationship, but we can't do it with Vladimir Putin.
	Call it out for what it is.
	The administration is speaking with two voices.
	First, they say he's a war criminal, and then they say there's an off-ramp.
	Negotiate what?
	I don't understand that.
	I don't understand how Ukraine can live and function as a democracy with Vladimir Putin sitting in the Kremlin.
	That's just the hard, fast reality.
	Now, there's a nervousness in this administration because Russia's got nuclear weapons, but you can't go wobbly.
	You know, to paraphrase Prime Minister Thatcher, that was good advice for President Bush.
	And this administration would do well to take it as well.
	That might be the title for this segment.
	You can't go wobbly.
	Let's look at that other side.
	Let's look at these brave Ukrainians.
	This is a clip that wrenches the heart every time we play it.
	An 18-year-old and a 19-year-old who said it's just not an option not to fight.
	Cut one.
	Play cut.
	It will be very crucial during the fight with some Russians.
	I feel much more confident than I was before because we get enough knowledge in tactics.
	Do you think the battle is coming for Kyiv?
	Yeah, it's definitely possible, but we just have to stop them here in Brovary, because if they get to Kiev, this war probably might be over.
	What do your parents think about what you're doing?
	Mom, I'm on the war.
	I'm fighting with the gun in my hands, and she said, oh, Maxim, don't joke with your mother.
	It's war.
	Just sit in the shelter and do your work, volunteer or do something else.
	Do you feel scared?
	Not much but it's human nature to feel scared and of course deeply in my soul I feel a bit scared because no one wants to die even if it's for your country.
	So death is not an option for us.
	Wow, death is not an option.
	From my sources in the UK, Dan, these are the figures, what these brave Ukrainians have done.
	12,800 Russians killed in action, 40,000 wounded, 1,400 tanks destroyed, 96 aircraft destroyed, 118 helicopters destroyed, and 1,400 armored vehicles knocked out.
	How much of that is a shock to the system in Moscow?
	It's a huge shock.
	You know, these kids, I mean, they're not even speaking their mother tongue.
	And they're in the middle of a war.
	And to speak as eloquently as they did, as calmly as they did, you know, NATO was created to defend, to deter, to counter the Soviet Union.
	Tell me what country has done more of that to Russia than Ukraine?
	I mean, I just, they're on the front lines defending what matters most, liberty, freedom, democracy.
	Ukraine is, as I've been saying, it's the geopolitical fault line between democracy and authoritarianism.
	And Ukrainians are winning.
	And that should be something that buoys our spirits in the United States, because they're fighting for what matters, democracy.
	And the Russians are fighting for a corrupt kleptocrat sitting in the Kremlin.
	And that's what you get.
	I haven't heard anything put so eloquently in the last month of this war.
	As you put it, which NATO nation has done more to fight the threat of Moscow than the Ukrainians are doing right now and they're not members of NATO.
	That's why he's Daniel Hoffman, superbly put.
	He is a member of the advisory board on BGR.
	You can watch him every day on Fox News.
	Please follow him at Daniel Hoffman DC.
	Beautifully put, my friend.
	Beautifully put.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Maxim in that clip said Kiev. - I, yeah.
	Yes!
	Nice!
	Yes!
	We should have that on a loop.
	Kiev, Kiev, Kiev.
	All right.
	Titles.
	Ukraine, colon, tougher than any NATO nation.
	That's for monologue?
	No.
	Oh, that's for Hoffman, okay.
	For monologue, the true cost of Biden's gaffes.
	All right, true cost of Biden's gaffes.
	The true geopolitical costs.
	And the prerecord?
	Did I use the phrase off-ramp with him as well?
	I didn't, right?
	The Kangor?
	No.
	I didn't?
	I don't think so.
	What's a good angle?
	Something about how Russia is used to losing a lot of people.
	That was kind of the thing you hit for quite a while.
	Yeah.
	Um, let's call it... What Putin Really Thinks of Biden.
	Alright.
	Alright, any preferences, Jeff?
	Three's a good point.
	Three.
	What happened to my dad?
	Oh, that is good.
	That is good.
	Excellent.
	I love how we've gone from lying and saying Trump said things that he didn't, to lying and saying Biden didn't say things that he actually did say.
	It is the definition of gaslighting.
	Yep.
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	Let's go to Hamid, Los Angeles.
	Welcome back, Hamid.
	Dr. Gorta, good afternoon.
	I had a question.
	If you remember, we had so many doctors, professors, I don't know, whoever had a little bit of a psychology major or something.
	They used to come on TV or radio and claim that President Trump was not well.
	They had to use the 25th Amendment.
	What happened to these people?
	They are not analyzing Biden or...
	That is brilliant.
	Where are all the people who said that he's the problem, he's not mentally fit, when he took the cognitive test he aced it.
	They're all very, very quiet.
	What do you think?
	Where have they disappeared?
	I don't know.
	They are not getting paid, that's why.
	Yeah, they're not getting paid to criticize this president who seriously is cognitive challenged.
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	Let's go to Jeff, Ohio.
	Hey.
	Hey, Dr. Gorka.
	Enjoy your show.
	Thank you.
	I've got one question.
	Yes.
	Well, two questions, but one real quick.
	Hey, with all the Taliban and China meetings, what do you think China's trying to purchase all our equipment?
	Oh, you mean in Afghanistan, the 83 billion we left there?
	Oh yeah, without a doubt.
	They're there right now with cash.
	They're there with diamonds, with cash, and they're buying the latest stuff that they're going to reverse engineer, because at least now they don't have to steal it with Chinese spies like Fang Fang.
	They can just buy it and take it back to Beijing.
	You're absolutely right, Jeff.
	Second question.
	OK, second question is, well, just a comment.
	It's a pipe dream, but we need to get Trump to run for Senate in 2022.
	No, I don't agree with any of this stuff.
	I don't agree with the House, the Speaker, the Senate.
	No, no, no, no.
	When you've been President, you don't lower yourself to another position.
	There is no position higher than President of the United States, and you don't become a Speaker of the House or a Senator.
	And look, I worked for the guy.
	He's not gonna do it.
	Once he's been president, he wants the presidency back, Jeff, and he has every right to win it for... Oh, hang on, we've got something that actually speaks to that.
	What is that?
	Is that number 16?
	I do believe.
	The truth is, I ran twice, I won twice, and I did much better the second time.
	And now, we just may have to do it again.
	That was the crowd's response.
	Jeff, I think it's up to us.
	We have to get him back in the White House.
	And if we, we do our due diligence like we did in the Commonwealth of Virginia just recently.
	They didn't steal that election because we flooded the zone for Youngkin and he won.
	Not even a really strong MAGA candidate.
	But the true MAGA supporters got him over the line.
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	Okay, um... Hey, the buffers, you still haven't changed the backgrounds on all those buffers.
	But we're gonna do that when we move to the new studio.
	No, I said before we move.
	Can you change them?
	I can't, no.
	We can't.
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	I mean, we've looked through the different themes already.
	There's only like a handful of themes.
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	I want the background to be black.
	That, okay, like, um... Because it clashes, right?
	You've got me and then suddenly you go to the old cheesy blue and it just looks bad.
	Let me see if there's a possibility for full screen.
	Two minutes.
	Hang on, I gotta call Solomon.
	Alright, escape is up.
	Get the MyPolo audio coming in with here.
	Good.
	Ringing... When was this Pelosi piece?
	Oh yeah, 2020.
	After he had COVID.
	That was a whole two-day news cycle about his mental fitness.
	Hi, guys.
	I'm Mr. Solomon.
	How are you?
	Hey, buddy.
	Good, good.
	Good, good, good, good.
	What's cooking?
	You tell me.
	What are you working on?
	I had an interview with President Trump.
	It's getting a lot of attention today.
	Excellent.
	it. - Yeah.
	Yep.
	He called on Vladimir Putin to release all information.
	Oh, I saw that!
	That was you?
	That was yours?
	That was me.
	Yeah.
	And then there's a lot more substance.
	So that was the fun part.
	But the substance is really he created, I think, a Trump 2.0 doctrine of how he would update his policies to address all the things that Joe Biden has done.
	Perfect.
	Very substantive version.
	We'll focus on just that.
	Perfect.
	60 seconds to go.
	What have we got here that could be fun?
	Wow.
	Oh, we have the, um... The new Cut 11.
	Yeah, how long is the new version?
	20 some seconds.
	20 seconds.
	Okay, so I'm going to tee that up.
	Okay.
	Alright.
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	And as if by magic...
	He's here!
	John Solomon, the founder, the editor-in-chief of Just The News.
	I know!
	We just, we mentioned your voice, and you appear!
	It's amazing what you can do with modern technology.
	He is, of course, the man who goes by J. SolomonReports on Twitter, the creator, the editor-in-chief of JustTheNews.com.
	You've got to bookmark it.
	And allegedly, I don't know, an individual who gets interviews with my former boss.
	Is this true, John Solomon?
	We did indeed.
	In fact, you just used the term, just fix it, right?
	Which for Mike Lindell's fellows, that's really the theme of the interview we had with President Trump.
	It's going to air tonight at six o'clock on Real America's Voice.
	The president sat down and we asked him, you know, Biden's done this, Biden's done that.
	What would you do to change the course of America?
	And he laid out what I believe is The Trump Doctrine 2.0.
	Before we get to that doctrine and everybody, the millions of people listening right now want to hear that.
	They want to see the full interview.
	There's a little snippet that's been going the rounds like crazy all day when he talked about Hunter Biden.
	So give us what he said to you about the laptop, Putin, Moscow, and a suggestion about what should happen, John.
	Yeah, if you remember back in 2016, remember he said, hey Russia, if you have any Hillary's emails, you know, put them out there for us.
	He did a kind of a reprise of that.
	He said Vladimir Putin ought to come out and release anything he knows about Hunter Biden's dealings with these oligarchs.
	And it was a very calculated move.
	Some people say, oh wow, I do this in the middle of the war.
	There's a reason why the president did it.
	He knows that right now Joe Biden's trying to pretend he's like Winston Churchill or Ronald Reagan taking on Russia.
	But the truth of the matter is his family had its hand in the oligarch cookie jars of Ukraine and Russia and he wanted to remind people of that.
	So he said, hey Vlad, if you have anything, put it out there.
	Let the American people know what exactly Hunter Biden was doing with all of your buddies, your oligarchs.
	A very remarkable moment in an interview.
	It had a lot of substance.
	Really, really amazing.
	It's a fascinating suggestion.
	Let's just remind everybody what the current incumbent said in an interview about his son's businesses.
	Cut 11.
	I don't know what he was doing.
	I know he was on the board.
	I found out he was on the board after he was on the board.
	And that was it.
	And there's nobody... Well, you've had a lot of time.
	Isn't this something you want to get to the bottom of?
	No, because I trust my son.
	But that doesn't pass the smell test.
	Like, when you're vice president, isn't there a higher standard?
	Don't you need to know what's happening with your family?
	Don't you need to put down some guardrails?
	Unless there was something that was... There was something on its face that was wrong.
	There was nothing on its face that was wrong.
	Nothing on its face that was wrong and he knew nothing about it, John, despite the fact that we have the photographs from Cafe Milano.
	Go on.
	Listen, I object, Your Honor.
	Let's think about this.
	His son is currently under investigation for tax evasion, possibly, and foreign lobbying.
	The State Department, in a memo that I made public just six weeks ago, concluded that Hunter Biden's activities with Burisma undercut anti-corruption policy in America.
	It created the appearance of a conflict of interest.
	There was a lot wrong.
	The only person who can't see there was something wrong with what Hunter Biden did was apparently Joe Biden.
	We just showed the photograph of Hunter Biden with Vice President Biden in Cafe Milano with his business associates from the former Soviet Union.
	But he didn't know anything about it.
	When you say that apparently, we know there's a grand jury out there doing work, apparently Hunter Biden, the son of the president, is under investigation for potentially tax fraud.
	Given what you've witnessed, I mean, you've been the tip of the spear with your books, with your analyses.
	Do you have any faith that these investigations will actually go anywhere, John?
	Well, listen, there is a really key piece of evidence.
	If you're trying to prove a tax case that someone didn't pay taxes, you want to know, did he know he didn't pay taxes?
	Was it an honest mistake or was he told?
	On the laptop, which now even the New York Times finally belatedly acknowledges real, there are memos starting in the summer of 16 when Hunter Biden's longtime business partner, Devin Archer, is indicted by the United States government.
	By the way, by the Obama-Biden administration Justice Department.
	Hunter Biden's top guy gets indicted.
	They start telling him, hey, Hunter, you didn't pay taxes on all that money.
	And guess what money it was?
	The Burisma money, the Ukraine money, the money from that guy in the picture.
	So he had five, six years of warning that he hadn't paid taxes.
	Now, if you believe the New York Times, he just finally paid that tax bill recently, like a million dollars.
	But there is clear warnings that he had not paid taxes.
	Failure to pay taxes after being warned about it probably makes it a much easier case for the prosecutors to make if they so choose to make it.
	All right, so I'll ask it one more time.
	Does that mean that you, after everything you've seen, everything you've documented in the book, Fallout, nuclear bribes, Russian spies, and the Washington lies that enriched the Clinton and Biden dynasties, do you, after everything you've seen with the Russia hoax, with the Clinton emails, with Uranium One, do you think that finally there could be a glimmer of justice in this stinking city?
	I do.
	I see evidence of a real criminal investigation going on in Delaware.
	Now, witnesses going before it, accelerating towards its end.
	People are acting in the way they do when they bring an indictment.
	And you asked me this question like six, seven months ago about Durham.
	And I said, I'm seeing something right now.
	And then the Sussman indictment came out.
	I do see similar activity.
	Again, you never know if a jury, a grand jury in Delaware is gonna be willing to take on the Biden family.
	But there's evidence that prosecutors are acting in the way they normally act before they issue an indictment.
	All right.
	If you ever feel down, if you ever give up faith, you just got to listen to John.
	It's Jay Solomon reports on Twitter.
	The book is Fallout.
	And of course, where can they see your interview with my old boss, President Trump?
	Yes, tonight, 6 o'clock Eastern Time on Real America's Voice.
	It's on all the different streaming devices.
	A really great interview tonight.
	People are going to be surprised to hear the Trump 2.0 doctrine.
	It's going to be fun.
	All right, we're going to play clips of it tomorrow, I know.
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	All right.
	title for Solomon?
	They indicted Hunter's partner, comma, no.
	No, they indicted his partner, comma, is Hunter Biden next.
	Uh-huh.
	Is that everything?
	Uh, so far, yeah.
	Okay.
	Humanity has to give up the use of fossil fuel.
	What?
	Yeah, that's why I just said, oh no.
	Who's courting him?
	He was talking to, um, to Europe.
	He's clearly trying to get aid.
	Yeah, yeah, he's trying to please them.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Oh, Zelensky said that?
	Mm-hmm.
	Oh, goodness.
	25 seconds.
	25 seconds. 20 seconds.
	Say bye. 20 seconds.
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	Let's go to line three, Paul, California.
	Hey there, Dr. Gorka.
	Love the show.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	So when Biden was in Poland addressing the troops, everybody's focused on what was a major gap when he said, and you'll all see it soon, or you'll be there soon.
	But before that, or I'm sorry, right after that, He said, and some of you have already been there.
	I think that's a much greater admission.
	Yeah, probably, but it falls into the same categories.
	Is he senile?
	Is he stupid?
	Or is he giving away national secrets?
	It's exactly the same three options, and we have to decide.
	I totally agree.
	It's all of the above.
	Yeah, indeed.
	Great point.
	Thank you, Paul.
	We always appreciate those who open the aperture.
	Let's go to John, line one.
	Yeah, good afternoon, Dr. Gorka.
	With President Biden's recent gaps and with the New York Times finally reporting on Hunter Biden, Do you think the New York Times could sense that this mud could be used to help to get Joe Biden out of office?
	Especially if Hunter Biden is sent to prison.
	It's interesting.
	And expensive illegal connections to China are uncovered and extensively reported.
	John, I get it.
	I get it, John.
	I get it.
	No, I think they think Hunter's in big trouble and they want to get out in front of it before they look embarrassed.
	That's my theory.
	That's what I floated last week.
	But it's a good question.
	Judy, line two, Brooklyn.
	Hi, the guy who should be out of power and removed is actually Biden himself.
	Great.
	I know.
	We had a caller say that yesterday.
	Great.
	So his mouth and brain is a liability, I have to say.
	You know, this is such a sad and dangerous state of affairs we're witnessing right now, Dr. Gawker.
	It's, like, unbelievable.
	I can hear it on your voice.
	You're kind of low energy, Judy.
	What's up?
	What's up?
	It affects me.
	Why are they having the Oscars when people are dying in Ukraine?
	Why are people...
	Why?
	Why is everything like supposedly, you know, all these stupid things that are going, you know, that they're doing sports, whatever.
	It just upsets me that no one really cares, no one really takes it to heart.
	The Americans here, I don't know, they don't realize the danger that we're in with this Biden at the helm and everything going on.
	No, by the way, no, by the way, we're out of time, Judy.
	I think they're starting to wake up.
	You look at the figures, even amongst Democrats.
	They're worried about nuclear war.
	They think this man is incompetent.
	And at least 20% of them have admitted now.
	To pollsters that they wouldn't have voted for him if they'd known about Hunter.
	Great points all of you.
	God bless.
	We'll be back momentarily with none other than Lord Conrad Black.
	Stay on this channel. Stay on this channel.
	Stay on this channel.
	Thank you.
	All right, stand by.
	Ten seconds.
	All right.
	We need a second spot guest here.
	This is America First.
	And here's your host, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	You don't need the wisdom, the sagacity of a presidential historian, a former media mogul and titan every single day.
	But right now, it helps.
	It is that time of the week when we welcome to America First Lord Conrad Black, who has written several works on former presidents, including my former boss.
	Lord Black, welcome back to the Salem Radio Network.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	Always a pleasure.
	So we have the Warsaw Comments, the Brussels Comments, and then we have the press conference yesterday held in the White House.
	Here we have one of the few real journalists left on the White House Press Association.
	He is, of course, Peter Doocy, who just, well, he asked very reasonable questions that I'd like you to respond to.
	This is Cut Three, play Cut.
	It sounded like you told U.S.
	troops they were going to Ukraine.
	It sounded like you said it was possible the U.S.
	would use a chemical weapon.
	And it sounded like you were calling for regime change in Russia.
	And we know... None of the three occurred.
	And you're going to see when you're there, some of you have been there, you're going to see, you're going to see women, young people, standing in the middle of the front of a damn tank, just saying, I'm not leaving.
	I'm holding my ground.
	We would respond.
	We would respond if he uses it.
	The nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use.
	For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power.
	So we played the denial, then the clips of what he actually said.
	What are the reasonable explanations, or what are the likely ones, for why he denied what he said in the space of less than 48 hours, Lord Black?
	Well, what he said was in each case preposterous and inflammatory.
	And, you know, you and I can say that without implying that we have any great sympathy or admiration for Putin.
	But the three things that Peter Doocy asked him about and that you've just replayed were clearly uttered by the president.
	And while he may have meant something different to what he said, he said what he said.
	It seems to be part of the President's makeup that he is incapable of ever conceding an error, or even something ambiguous enough that it might possibly have been an error.
	And so he just stubbornly says, I didn't say it, and what I meant was something quite different to what he actually said.
	It's a very strange state of affairs, but I think the world is kind of used to it now.
	You know, I've followed these things personally.
	I'm getting pretty venerable since Eisenhower's time.
	You know, President Eisenhower famously said to his Press Secretary James Hagerty when they were on their way to a press conference, and Hagerty said, Mr. President, be careful how you answer questions about such and so.
	And President Eisenhower said, Jim, don't worry.
	When I finish, they'll have no idea what I said.
	I mean, he was a master of deliberately confusing syntax, but in correct sentences and without saying things that were directly untrue.
	But that's not what we have here.
	We have presidents saying things that are a bit jumbled, but relatively clear in their meaning, and as I say, frequently extremely provocative and ill-advised in their meaning.
	And then, you know, his entourage clarifies by, in effect, retracting the statement and rephrasing it, and the president then denies the clarification, but denies that That he said what had to be clarified.
	It's very strange and it's potentially quite dangerous, but I think we're all getting used to it and I guess we can live with it.
	It's not the end of the world, but it's not what he's supposed to be doing and not what he should be doing.
	Well, we can say that we're getting used to it, but when he says things like, you will soon be seeing this for yourselves in front of the 82nd Airborne, or when he says, for God's sake, this man Putin must be removed, that is of geopolitical utility, is it not, to the Kremlin?
	Yes, it is.
	It's tactically unwise, and it puts a It makes it easy for the Kremlin to impute motives and intentions to the American administration and to NATO generally that are one, not true, and two, very damaging to us and very helpful to the iniquitous designs of the Russian leader.
	And I'm afraid he's going to do the same thing in reference to all other countries that That the United States has any differences with, and it just makes the lives of America's enemies easier.
	And it's very unfortunate, but I think it's in the department of, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
	I mean, you can't disabuse an elderly man of the practices of a long career, and he's never been very good with it.
	He's often been You take them liberties, which even for a politician are extraordinary in questions of truthfulness, and he's often been pretty sloppy in the way he's formulated his views, and I just don't think it's going to get any better.
	You've written biographies of FDR, of Nixon, you've written a book most recently on President Trump, but you've also written a book called Flight of the Eagle, where you document the rise of America to what some have called the indispensable nation.
	If we zoom out of the last year, the last 14 months, How do you look at the lack of leadership coming from Washington reneging on the deal with Poland, the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan?
	Is it time perhaps at least until there is another person in the White House for another ally to step up?
	We've seen quite a good performance from Boris Johnson since the invasion a month ago.
	We've seen Poland I think we get a natural adaptation of the Western Alliance to a more collegial role.
	refugees.
	Does it mean that we have to have a time out for America's leadership, Lord Black?
	I think we get a natural adaptation of the Western alliance to a more collegial role.
	If the United States is not, for whatever reason in this case, the troibles of the president and also the views of the president and his principal colleagues in a number of key areas make it practically impossible for the the troibles of the president and also the views of the president and his principal colleagues in a number of key areas make it practically impossible for the United States to lead with an almost reflexive
	adherence of its principal allies, then those allies detect a vacuum and for their own self-interest step forward to fill it to some degree.
	The most impressive of these, in my judgment, and I agree with what you say about Boris Johnson and the polls, But the most impressive is this new Chancellor Scholz of Germany, who suddenly changed German policy of the last 20 years quite markedly with full approval from, as I understand it, all the parties in the Bundestag except the old far left representing all the parties in the Bundestag except the old far left representing the old East
	The link, they're called now, but they're under 10% of the vote.
	And he has pledged to raise Germany's participation in NATO and its military commitment to the 2% target that all the members pledged to do and most of them have ignored.
	And on what I think was effectively a voice vote, He got the Bundestag to kick the ball off with a 100 billion euro rearmament program, which is a fairly impressive statement of intention.
	And for Germany, which really has been, when unified, the most powerful country in Europe since Bismarck put it together in 1871, for it to come up
	To exercise its rightful position geopolitically within Europe, but in an alliance context, in a completely responsible context, not like a renegade state as Kaiser Wilhelm operated in heaven or pen that we even mentioned the Third Reich.
	For Germany to do that is a very, very important development in the world and a very positive one.
	But the fact is, the United States is the most powerful country in the world, and it will presumably go back to behaving in that way when there is, in a totally constitutional way, regime change.
	Not only the defence budget decision but also the decision by Berlin to change its mind to reverse the cancellation of 50% of its nuclear power plants and also the other 50% that were going to be shut down by the end of the year is a very significant decision for Europe.
	We're talking to Lord Conrad Black, you can follow him at Conrad M. Black on Twitter.
	He is the co-host along with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett of the podcast Scholars and Scents, and his most recent book is A Present Like No Other, Donald J. Trump and the Restoring of America.
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	He did not do well in the general election in September.
	I think he came in just one point or so ahead of the CDU.
	And not much was expected of him.
	He wasn't like Grant and Schmidt and Schroeder.
	Very dynamic, strong men.
	I had my differences with Grant, but they were pretty effective chancellors too.
	I think he's been a very reassuring, very impressive, steady, unpretentious man, saying sensible things and getting broad, multi-partisan support for what he's doing.
	I follow the British press quite closely and two months ago Boris was in big, big trouble.
	It looks like that's all reversed now.
	Yeah, well, I never bought the line they were going to throw him out over holding a couple of parties in defiance of COVID rules.
	I mean, it was unwise and verging on official hypocrisy.
	But the fact is, 90% of the British public were fed up with those rules anyway, and I don't think they could bring themselves to throw the Prime Minister out for doing what they all wanted to do themselves.
	Look, I want to ask you something.
	Have you followed these reports today of The Russian officials in particular saying that they were going to stand down from Kiev and there was a real momentum towards a meeting between Zelensky and Putin and so forth.
	Have you followed all that?
	Yeah, I've followed the decisions for, you know, or the calls for more peace talks and a refocusing of the operation in the last, what is it, 48 hours?
	Yes, I have.
	Well, it looks to me that They are moving towards a negotiated settlement.
	I don't know.
	I'm not sure whether, you know, the noises from Kiev are sincere or are just, you know, meant to show willing with Western audiences.
	Because at the end of the day, I mean, losing Luhansk and Donetsk formally, I know in practice they're already lost, I don't think Putin's going to settle for that.
	So what peace negotiation are we talking about?
	Well, you mean, look, the outcome that it appears that they may be headed towards is, according to what Zelensky said on Saturday, a 15-year transition period for those parts of Ukraine, including Crimea, and he's including Ukraine, what was stolen from Ukraine in 2014, a transition for those areas
	to Russia, if that's a serious referendum, not a hokey rig referendum, but a real referendum internationally supervised they want to do.
	And Ukraine absolutely is not demilitarized.
	It can join the EU.
	It won't join NATO.
	But Russia and NATO will guarantee its borders as revised.
	And I mean, look, I mean, I, as you may know, I've written suggesting that's where it was going to end up anyway, but it looks like it may be heading there.
	But do you think the news reports are happening?
	Early days, early days.
	Standby.
	But you have a minute.
	Okay.
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	He writes regularly for American Greatness, Am Greatness and the Epoch Times.
	His latest piece we're posting right now is It's Time to Stop Playacting.
	I want to play a cut for you, Lord Black.
	This is the former Speaker of the House talking about the Catch-22 America finds herself in.
	Cut eight.
	You have a cognitively challenged president and a cognitively hopeless vice president.
	And to have both of those in those positions means that there's no place to turn to for leadership.
	I think the performance over the last few days by President Biden was virtually equal to some of Kamala Harris' performances.
	And I think the country should be really worried.
	You know, this is not a game.
	This isn't a clever political campaign.
	This is real history involving two nations that between them have around 11,000 nuclear weapons.
	So this is the problem, is it not, Conrad, that we have the 22nd, the 25th Amendment that Democrats screeched about for years with regards to President Trump.
	Now it would seem at least moderately applicable to the current incumbent.
	But then, then we get Kamala Harris, Lord Black.
	It's a shocking turn of events.
	My impression is, and I don't know if there's any elaboration on the motives of the people who led the move to adopt, to formulate and adopt the 25th Amendment.
	But my impression is that what was intended was this really profound incapacitation of the president, such as happened to Woodrow Wilson in the last year and a half of his time, which was disguised from the public.
	You know, it was a time over 100 years ago when the president was nothing like as accessible to the media and the public as is now the case.
	And not just an apparent slippage of cognitive ability and acuity, as this president appears to be suffering, So I don't know if what's going on is as severe as would justify that.
	Let me offer you an alternate scenario.
	It's not original to me.
	It's been around a little bit the last couple of months.
	If the president's son is indicted and the president moves to pardon him, I think at that point he might take refuge behind a sort of benign medical explanation that it is starting to be really a bit of a challenge for I think at that point he might take refuge behind a And in the national interest, perhaps he will retire.
	And I think that's a little more likely than as is required by the 25th Amendment.
	I believe the majority of the cabinet and both houses of the Congress voting to say the president is not mentally competent to serve.
	I'm quite a critic of President Biden, as you know, but I don't think that is a fair judgment of him right now.
	But seriously, Lord Black, do you think this is a likely scenario that his son will be indicted?
	It's hard to judge.
	I realize this isn't the criterion that determines these things, but it certainly looks to me like he deserves to be indicted.
	Not that I have any particular grievance against him, it's just on the published facts.
	It appears to me that a number of illegalities were committed, certainly enough of an appearance to justify a trial, and if he's found not guilty, then good for him.
	I would say that on that basis, if this was just somebody else, it would be an open and shut case of indictment.
	Let's try the case.
	But given the realities of Delaware and Delaware politics, the position of the Bidens in that state in particular, and in the country generally, and we're talking about a highly politicized Department of Justice, I don't know anything about the U.S.
	Attorney directly involved, But given all of that, and my own intimate knowledge of how the American criminal justice system works, I wouldn't count on the right thing happening, either pre-trial, during trial, or post-trial.
	But I think whatever happens may be, at the least, a fairly serious embarrassment to the president.
	And he might roll that into a sort of, look, I can do this job.
	In fact, that it is getting a bit of a challenge for me.
	And my condition is considerably less robust than it was when I was inaugurated.
	So I, you know, I will, I'll retire.
	Now, if that happens, I think there will be a bipartisan move to elevate a new vice president position.
	Then they can just, Yes.
	Harris becomes the president, who is of the highest, most unquestionable ability.
	I mean, the only precedent for filling a vice presidency in midterm was President Ford's nomination of Nelson Rockefeller.
	Of course, an outstandingly competent man, a four-term governor of New York and a very eminent person apart from that.
	So I think you have a move to shore up the new president with stronger people, stronger cabinets.
	But that new president, I mean, return to New Gingrich's point, that new president is the disastrous current vice president Kamala Harris.
	She's a dolt, but you just have to carry her over the goal line.
	You just put her in.
	At least she's not.
	Look, she can read a teleprompter.
	At least she can read.
	I mean, it pains me to be disrespectful of a holder of so great in offices in the U.S. president.
	presidency, but President Biden often slurs so badly you can't understand what he's saying.
	And Kamala Harris is physically competent, but she has never shown any indication that she has remotely the intelligence, let alone the considered opinions, necessary for a successful exercise in such a very challenging position.
	But you could build around a team of people who could help her get through to the next election.
	But as a historian of American politics, amongst other things, who is that unimpeachable, impressive Democrat that is available and in the body politic at the moment?
	That is a real challenge.
	I think you might have to get a previous cabinet secretary from the Obama or Clinton era.
	There's not even a tremendous number of them jumping to mind, but would meet that.
	Robert Gates would be fine if you'd accept him.
	I don't know.
	I mean, he's getting elderly and he's really a Republican anyway, but he's served presidents of both parties.
	They would have to dig deep, deep into the sock drawer.
	Look, there may be, I mean, the governors of the other Democrats that I can see are completely unfeasible.
	I mean, Newsom or Phil Murphy or these people.
	That would be just as bad.
	We're gonna have to leave this discussion for the next time.
	Who could be that person?
	It's hard to even imagine.
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	New Hampshire.
	Yeah, but it would have to be somebody who's not been very active with very nominal name recognition. - Yeah.
	Yeah, no, that it would be.
	Look, I think the best they've got that I've seen is this guy Sherrod Brown in Ohio, but I don't think he's a world beater, but he always looks like he's sort of competent whenever I see him.
	But I agree, it's shocking.
	You remember the terrible year 1968, the assassinations of Kennedy and King and the riots everywhere and the problems in Vietnam and so on.
	With all of it, at one time or another, Lyndon Johnson, Robert Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey, Richard Nixon, Nelson Rockefeller, and Ronald Reagan were all running for president.
	And they were all competent to be president.
	And where are these people now?
	That's the question.
	What has happened to the bench, as they say?
	We don't have a bench and the issue is just slightly less problematic on our side.
	No, I think the Republicans have got some good ones.
	I think DeSantis is good, Abbott is good, Tom Cotton is good, Hawley from Missouri seems to me to be good.
	But there's one thing, there's a difference between good and somebody who can win an election.
	A lot of those individuals are good, but they can't fill a stadium of 60,000 people excited about it.
	We've got, sitting in the bullpen, we've got We got Dave Ruth when he was a pitcher.
	Did you see Trump on the weekend?
	I thought he was brilliant.
	Fabulous.
	It was fabulous, indeed.
	Look, I've said all along he's coming back, and I think it's happening.
	That's a fact.
	That is a fact.
	Don't you think that all these fiascos of Afghanistan and all was horrible?
	business of the president's gaps and blundering around and so on, have basically completely derailed the Trump hate movement.
	No one gives a damn about Pelosi's January 6th commission anymore, I don't think.
	No, and I think when you see the figures for 20 percent of Democrats, they regret voting for Biden now that they know that the New York Times has confirmed the Hunter Biden story, then, well, you know, those are the suburban women that, you know, the president needs So no, I think if we have election integrity, he strolls back in in 24.
	And the attempt to completely suppress the evidence that 2020 was a very questionable election.
	Well, just wait one week on that.
	The premiere of Dinesh D'Souza's next movie, where he has the cell phone data and the CCTV footage of the illegal ballot harvesters, that is going to be a Damascene moment for millions.
	And Molly Hemingway's book, we discussed it before, but yeah, it's had an impact too.
	I hope I didn't derail things.
	No, no, no.
	Super.
	Okay, excellent.
	Thanks for that.
	My mic on?
	They absolutely did have one big person on their bench.
	Who?
	Andrew Cuomo.
	But then, as we all know, He was gonna be there, Guy, absolutely.
	Well, they raved about him, that's for sure.
	Well, yeah, Fox was giving him, like, all those, you know, covering every single press conference he did.
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	The 25th Amendment came up and it keeps coming up.
	And I want to warn our Republican friends that this is a trap.
	That we have to be very careful.
	It would be cheap and easy for us to go after Biden and we could get him and we could take him down.
	But then that blood will be on our hands.
	And I think Pelosi wants that.
	We cannot initiate this.
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	But hang on, hang on, hang on.
	If the 25th Amendment is brought into play, it's not because Republicans do it, because it has to be the cabinet members and it has to be the Speaker of the House.
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	How can we be blamed for the use of the 25th Amendment against Biden?
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	Being too noisy about it.
	Okay.
	The press will find a way to pin it on us.
	Okay.
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	They say, oh, how nasty we are.
	But they already say that.
	They know that this guy, Biden, they've ridden this horse as far as they can.
	They know that.
	The press knows it.
	CNN knows it.
	New York Times knows it.
	That's why we're seeing this shift of the wind, this changing of the winds.
	But they're maneuvering.
	They're maneuvering in the wind like sailships do to get their cannons on one another.
	It's a maneuver.
	So what are you saying?
	We don't touch this guy and we let him drag us into another war somewhere else?
	Well, we're kind of stuck with him because we know the alternative is even much more dangerous, or as dangerous as he is.
	that Harris is no replacement for Biden, and neither is Pelosi.
	No.
	And so we're kind of stuck with all three of them, but we've got to let them bring their cannons on themselves and then join in with them as quietly as we can, because we're going to get blamed for this, Dr. Cheney.
	Yeah, but this is like the, let's not run President Trump because they'll be nasty to him.
	It's like, it doesn't matter what we do, they're going to be nasty to whoever the candidate is.
	But I get your concern.
	Stay on the line, because I think Ray needs one of our Zelinsky t-shirts, or at least the latest one, the 1776, the fight for freedom is eternal.
	Stay on the line, Ray.
	Let's go to Brent, who's been waiting patiently in Los Angeles.
	Blessings, Great Gorka!
	And to you, my friend.
	You know, I am thrilled.
	We will be seeing each other again in Los Angeles on April 10th for this year's Unite Summit.
	I can't wait.
	It's been a long time.
	That was pre-COVID, wasn't it, Brent?
	Yes, it was.
	And so I'm so looking forward to it.
	But, I also wanted to say, I can't get past Barbarian Biden saying, for God's sake, this man cannot remain in power.
	When he says, for God's sake, this pro-abortion fake Catholic, that also galled me as well, Brent.
	Well, I was thinking, this godless, murdering, thieving, pedophile, traitor, satanically uses God's name in vain.
	But, prophetically, he is right.
	Putin, Xi, the Mullahs, the Democrats, and he, for God's sake, will not remain in power.
	Yeah, the trouble is the person we need to replace with President Trump is Biden himself, who uttered those words and took the Lord's name in vain.
	Thank you, Brent.
	Back to your cause momentarily.
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	Can you play me, uh, do cut four quickly?
	Cut four.
	Yeah.
	Do you believe what you said that Putin can't remain in power or do you now regret saying that because your government has been trying to walk that back?
	Did your words complicate matters?
	Well, you asked three different questions.
	I'll answer them all.
	Number one, I'm not walking anything back.
	The fact of the matter is I was expressing the moral outrage I felt toward the way Putin is dealing and the actions of this man.
	Just brutality of it.
	Half the children in Ukraine.
	I just come from being with those families.
	But I want to make it clear.
	I wasn't then nor am I now articulating a policy change.
	I was expressing the moral outrage that I feel and I make no apologies for it.
	Policy change, he says.
	Wow.
	Seven.
	My goal is to stop the war in Ukraine and back all our territories and all our people.
	And it's not mean that we are believe to somebody or not believe.
	We are do and continue to do our best that it's in that time stopping the war just in Donbass.
	Now we are stopping these Cut nine.
	Nine.
	I want to highlight the dates and read from some of these texts.
	So one comes on November 10, after the election had been called for President Joe Biden.
	And Ginny Thomas, wife of Clarence Thomas, texts this to White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, quote, Help this great president stand firm, Mark!
	Three exclamation points went to the Trump School of Grammar, clearly.
	What a bitch.
	What a bitch.
	Nicole Wallace, you are scum.
	She's auditioning for the Rachel Maddow spot.
	Yeah, probably.
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	Hey, how you doing?
	Good.
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	Well, trying to keep up with you, I guess.
	Nicely done.
	Give me your title again.
	President of Crime Prevention Research Center.
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	What's the webpage?
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	Great.
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	The Second Amendment is what we deal with on Friday, but it's not exclusive.
	And I just want to remind everybody how under threat it is.
	This is the man who sadly is in the White House talking on the campaign trail about your Second Amendment rights.
	Cut 12.
	So to gun owners out there who say, well, a Biden administration means they're going to come for my guns.
	Bingo!
	You're right if you have an assault weapon.
	The fact of the matter is they should be illegal, period.
	Bingo!
	We're coming for your semi-autos.
	They should be illegal.
	There you have it from the horse's mouth.
	Or is it a dirty, stinking pony dog soldier?
	What is the phrase?
	I don't know.
	Whatever it is, it's right there from the source.
	One man who has fought the battle bravely for the truth, the facts, about the Second Amendment is the author of the outstanding book, More Guns, Less crime, because that's how it works.
	He's with us right now, John Lott.
	He is the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center.
	John, welcome back to America First.
	It's great to talk to you, Seb.
	I have to say, you know, just a month or so ago, Biden was defining the assault weapon as any semi-automatic gun, including handguns.
	It could take a magazine.
	Yeah, no, your Glock, your Beretta M9, your .22 caliber Taurus Plinker, if it's semi-auto, it's a weapon of war and he wants to get rid of it.
	Now, you are the famous Second Amendment crime statistics guy.
	Everybody needs to go to crimeresearch.org, but you have Blown up in the media in the last couple of days.
	We are so lucky to get you on America First because of a research paper that had to do with something apart from the Second Amendment.
	Will you share with us why you are in the news today, John?
	Well, most of my academic work, believe it or not, is actually on voting.
	I've been deeply involved in these types of issues.
	I was like the statistical expert for USA Today in the 2000 election.
	I've been deeply involved with literally dozens of peer-reviewed academic papers.
	So anyway, I was working at the U.S.
	Department of Justice, the Trump Justice Department, during the election and right afterwards, and given my background, it seemed kind of, you know, obvious that I should try to look into the issues that are there.
	I mean, if you look at the court cases—everybody talks about all the court cases.
	I think very few people have read them, because what happened in the court cases, Republicans would go to court and they'd say, look, they violated the rules on how to run the elections.
	And the judges would say, yes, that's true.
	There's a lot of irregularities that are there.
	And they'd say, well, what do you want us to do?
	And Republicans say, we think that there was significant fraud and we need to have discovery.
	And the judges would say, We're only going to allow discovery if you can show us up front that there was enough fraud to go and change the outcome of the election.
	And the Republicans would say the reason why we need discovery is because they wouldn't allow us to go and look carefully at the vote counting that was occurring.
	So they were kind of caught in a catch-22.
	Now, right, but you have a forthcoming piece in a peer-reviewed journal, The Public Choice, that measures voter fraud.
	Can you tease the findings of this peer-reviewed article and why it's so significant?
	Right.
	Well, basically what I find is that in the six swing states where fraud was alleged, You're talking about about 255,000 extra votes for Biden, possibly as high as about 367,000.
	Both of those numbers are much higher than than Biden's win margin across those states.
	And I have three pretty simple tests.
	I'll just go through whatever I can here.
	But the first one is, so you have counties where fraud was alleged.
	Right next to counties where fraud wasn't alleged.
	And what I looked at, if you look at the precincts that are at the border of the county, and then there's another precinct right across the street in a county where no fraud was alleged, you have to understand these precincts are fairly small areas.
	In Allegheny County, which is Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania, you have 1,323 precincts in Allegheny County.
	So these are small Homogeneous areas.
	You look at two precincts that are right across the street from each other, and they're virtually identical in just about every way.
	And then there's a huge discrepancy between questionable ballots and non-questionable, correct?
	Exactly.
	You don't see that discrepancy in the 2016 election.
	So something happened.
	We've got time for one more.
	Give us one more of your observations that clearly point to voter fraud.
	Well, you look at something like provisional ballots in Pennsylvania and the Democratic counties, if somebody sent in an absentee or a mail-in ballot that wasn't done correctly, they would go and call up the people and give them a chance to re-vote with provisional ballots.
	And what you find is that these two adjacent precincts to each other, across the street from each other, The ones in the Democratic counties had huge increases in provisional ballots that went overwhelmingly for Biden.
	Now, some of the points in the journal article can be read in summaries at RealClearPolitics and elsewhere and at your website, crimeresearch.org.
	John, where can they read the whole paper on what you found?
	Well, if they go to our website at crimeresearch.org, it's right at the top there, they'll see the public choice banner and the whole article that's coming out in the journal is available there.
	All right, and you can also support him there as well.
	He's doing the Lord's work.
	It's John Lott.
	You know him because of the Second Amendment, but he's getting back to his roots in uncovering corruption and voter fraud in America.
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	Just how slimy Are real fake Republicans?
	Is that an oxymoron?
	An oxymoron?
	A real fake Republican?
	Well she says that she worked in the Bush White House but she ain't no Republican now.
	This is Ginny Thomas under attack from Nicole Wallace cut 9.
	I want to highlight the dates and read from some of these texts.
	So one comes on November 10th after the election had been called for President Joe Biden.
	And Ginny Thomas, wife of Clarence Thomas, texts this to White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, quote, Help this great president stand firm, Mark!
	Three exclamation points.
	Went to the Trump School of Grammar, clearly.
	Went to the Trump School of Grammar.
	Are you a journalist or a scumbag?
	Can you play it again quietly and then freeze it on the screenshot of Ginny Thomas' text to Mark Meadows, please, Eric?
	I want to highlight the dates.
	Just be sure that everybody understands how they're trying to affect a second High-tech lynching against Clarence Thomas through his white wife.
	Now, I mean, Democrats have a history of doing this.
	They lynched black men for having relations or alleged relations with white women.
	And now they're attacking one of the greatest Americans and perhaps one of our greatest justices.
	What did Ginni say?
	A great patriot.
	Help this great president stand firm, Mark.
	You are the leader with him who is...
	Eric!
	I'm reading it!
	What are you doing?
	Okay, that's the evidence, right?
	She's wanting you to stand for the U.S.
	constitutional governance okay that's the evidence right your staff she's wanting you to stand for the u.s constitution i guess that's wrong for democrats right Because it's pesky.
	Civil rights.
	Bill of Rights.
	Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness.
	Funny how they didn't focus on that bit.
	They focused on the exclamation points.
	Because that's who they are.
	Scum.
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	Doctor, Professor Kevin Roberts, welcome back in studio.
	My friend Seb, it is a pleasure to be with you as always.
	We have, we could fill the whole show, hours, days with the challenges ahead, what we've learned in the last 14 months under the Biden regime.
	But let's just start with that thing.
	That's a little bit amusing.
	But now not so much.
	As somebody who's been fighting in Texas at the Public Policy Foundation, now you are, you know, the big guy at the Heritage Foundation.
	These people are crazy.
	These people are nuts.
	I mean, we hear the Secretary of Energy in Europe say, yeah, but we'll be there soon with electric vehicles in every street.
	And now we're not allowed to eat beef.
	Can you help me understand, as a former educator, are these people just hostages to their own ideology?
	Oh, they are.
	In fact, I had a group in Louisiana last week I was speaking to ask me a similar version of that question.
	And they said, Kevin, how do you make sense of this?
	I said, look, to cut to the chase.
	When I was a young professor, the only conservative at a big state university in the Southwest 20 years ago, I went home to my wife and I said, these people are crazy.
	And then 10 years ago, I realized, oh, some of their ideas are actually becoming policy.
	And then the point, Seb, is this, in the last 14 months under this presidency, It has come to fruition, and so they are hostages to their ideas, and so much so, the kind of mainstream liberals who would disagree with you and me, but with whom we could have a conversation, they're silenced by that radical ideology.
	And so one of our objectives at Heritage is to give them a voice, not because we're going to agree with them, but it's a sign.
	It would be a sign that we put a wedge in the American left, and at least we can have conversations about tax rates, Rather than conversations about the Green New Deal and whether men are men or women are women.
	Yes, but the trouble is those people you can have conversations with, Kevin, they're not in positions of power in the Democratic Party.
	I mean, you don't have to like Bill Clinton, but he reigned in the crazies.
	Yes, he did.
	He was a pragmatist, in fact, and he stole a lot of stuff from Newt Gingrich in terms of platform.
	He was a smart politician.
	Right.
	Now we don't have the people reigning in the crazies.
	So let's talk about the one thing you mentioned, the difference between men and women.
	So, Ketanji Brown.
	As far as I'm concerned, that should disqualify.
	That answer, I don't know what a woman is, despite she's a woman who was chosen because she's a black woman.
	That should disqualify her from any public office.
	I mean, you know, I don't want her walking my dog if she doesn't know what a woman is as a woman.
	And this isn't funny anymore.
	No, it isn't.
	Because this is the Supreme Court.
	What do we do?
	I know you're a 501c3.
	You're not doing politics.
	You're doing conservative policy.
	But how do we get to that safe place politically where we can talk to Democrats in positions of power?
	Because this is not JFK's party.
	This isn't Scoop Jackson's party.
	This is a radical left-wing party.
	What will it take on the other side of the aisle For us to be able to have a conversation.
	Do they have to be trounced in the midterms?
	Does there have to be an internal crisis?
	Because we can't continue with lunacy on one side, the middle silent because they're afraid of getting cancelled, and then us trying to save the Republic.
	No, you're spot on.
	Well, we hoist them on their own petard.
	And so when Judge Jackson, as sweet and pleasant as she seems to be as a person, said that last week, I said, leading a 501c3, this is disqualifying.
	I'm stealing your thunder?
	No, you keep throwing that thunder, my friend.
	The point is, just on the face of it, this is disqualifying.
	If someone on our side said something that absurd and that ludicrous, I would say the same thing.
	But I'm going to give you a sliver of hope and answer your question.
	I think a lot of people realized how ridiculous it is that that very smart, pleasant woman knows better than to say that.
	But she was held hostage, going back to your first question, by this ideology she must embrace in gratitude for being nominated to the Supreme Court.
	But what's going to happen is Even though it's very likely she's still going to be confirmed, the Democrats are going to lose their rear ends in the midterms and they're going to lose them again in 2024.
	And this aforementioned group of center left people, even though we disagree with them on almost everything, I think will reemerge to be influential in the party.
	That's when you and I as conservatives and people listening to this show are going to have productive conversations across the political spectrum.
	But let me sum up with this.
	Until and unless that happens, we have to recognize as conservatives, this is not the time to play nice.
	This is all about pure power.
	And until we destroy the radical left's hold on power, we won't have the opportunity to have those conversations.
	Until we destroy the radical left's hold on power, For the Democrat Party, no more Mr. Nice Guy.
	I'm going to use that clip.
	I'm going to use that on my Newsmax show because the idea that Marquess of Queensbury rules apply when we're seeing what I'm calling the new high-tech lynching of Clarence Thomas through his wife Ginny Thomas and you know the optics of this guys if you're in the Democrat Party that you are the party that lynched black men because they had relations with white women and you're doing it now
	In 2022 to a black man because he's a conservative on the Supreme Court and you're trying to attack him through his white wife is absolutely disgusting.
	You said she's going to be confirmed.
	Look, they've got the 50 plus one with the vice president, but There's nobody with the letter R behind their name who should confirm this person, correct?
	That's right, and I'm afraid there are probably two or three, including Senator Romney, who are flirting with it.
	You know, I'll be careful about not making a partisan statement because I don't play fast and loose with our 501c3 designation, but it's preposterous.
	preposterous that a conservative senator at this point would not say definitively after that exchange over not being able to find a woman, that's it.
	It's disqualifying. - Where do you, when you look at what we call the balance of forces during the Cold War, If you use that with regards to the internal balance between, I'll say, the America first revitalized conservative movement and the establishment RINO Mitt Romney wing, what are you seeing at the Heritage Foundation?
	Because you've come in with a clear vision.
	It's America first.
	It's American national interest.
	It's the founding principles.
	There are still people on Capitol Hill who just want to play footsie with the Democrats under the table.
	Who's winning and who has the advantage or what's the trend line?
	Well, it's not just good news, but great news that the good guys are winning.
	The good guys are the America first, first principles, true conservatives.
	The problem is that the dwindling number of those who are establishment chamber of commerce types, like Senator Romney, get a lot of media coverage because the media love him as much as they love Senator McCain.
	Useful idiots.
	That's exactly right.
	But you and I both know the grassroots really well.
	The mainstream conservatives know just to not even listen to those people.
	And the truth is going to be so clear, Seb, the day after Election Day in November when we realize, oh, those guys and gals are not with the program and eventually they're going to be primaried and they will probably go away as members of the conservative movement.
	All of that to say, We just have to endure the next half year, the next six months.
	We've got to get there where it will be very apparent that true conservatives and a true conservative agenda, not unlike what President Trump, and obviously you served in his administration, you were part of it, were able to put together.
	That's what we have to get back to.
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	Kevin, we could fill every minute of every hour on Conservative Talk Radio, the whole, you know, day of Salem with a discussion of the disasters that are occurring under the Biden administration.
	You have co-authored a piece With Rand Paul on the economics of it.
	Let's talk about your latest piece for Fox News.
	Biden's weakness in Ukraine-Russia conflict has only further emboldened China in a new kind of war.
	So here's the real buried lead in these stories when he stumbles when he goes off prompter and you know demands regime change or says we're going to use chemical weapons against russia or when you know he eats before the privates have eaten in the dining facility which is against all protocol for a commander or a commander-in-chief especially or when he just makes statements like yeah guys in front of the 82nd airborne you're gonna see soon in ukraine what the conditions are like
	People listen to that in places like Beijing, in Pyongyang, in Tehran.
	So there are consequences to this senility or lack of statecraft well beyond U.S.
	borders.
	Oh, completely.
	And look, with all the respect I can muster, Joe Biden's been a bumbling buffoon for 50 years.
	And, you know, I lament that there might be some senility that's setting in.
	He's the exact same age as my dad.
	If it were my dad exhibiting those characteristics, I would say, you got to leave public life.
	But the larger point is the one that you make, Seb, and it is if you take the ridiculous and tragic withdrawal from Afghanistan, if you get the back-footed nature by which the Biden administration's responded to Putin's aggression, If you take the fact that we're not even strong in our rhetoric when it comes to what the Chinese communists are doing toward Taiwan.
	All the while, we're negotiating an Iran nuclear deal and an oil and gas agreement with Venezuela?
	Why in the hell, if you're one of these thugs, would you sit around and say the United States isn't a country I could take advantage of?
	I never thought I would say that in my entire lifetime.
	And it used to be that American strength, American peace through strength, was neither a Democrat nor a Republican thing.
	But this president is making it very partisan.
	And the combination of his incompetence, the combination of that with, I guess, his senility and really bad advisors who don't know anything about the world practically, has created the weakest strategic position that the United States has had since our founding.
	Yeah, this is the point I make with regularity on the show, that it's remarkable if you look at who's manning those positions.
	You don't have to like Axelrod, but at least he had an IQ under the Obama administration, chief of staff.
	There's nobody with any impressive credentials.
	These are second, third, fourth tier individuals from the Obama years.
	And as you say, none of them with any geopolitical experience.
	And when you look at the economy, these are fabulous.
	These are people who say, Yeah, the Teslas will solve the problem and we're going to have renewables.
	And you want to ask, where do you get the electricity to charge your Tesla?
	I mean, is it unicorn farts?
	I mean, seriously, Secretary Granholm, where do you think it comes from?
	And the lithium for the batteries in the electric cars.
	You know that China has the control of most lithium mines.
	Let's talk about this piece.
	Very impressive.
	Senator Rand Paul, you co-authored in Fox Business.
	Just one issue, forget energy, just inflation.
	How serious?
	You used the word crisis in the headline.
	Talk to us about Washington and the inflation crisis.
	Look, I know when people hear a guy like me leading a DC-based organization that focuses on policy, they think that we deal in the abstract.
	I think actually one of the things we do well at Heritage is look at these problems like inflation from what I like to call the sidewalk level.
	I can do that because I'm a dad of four.
	I have to pay the same price as everyone else does.
	And that's really the point.
	And I think what Senator Paul and I were able to get at in this op-ed, and tremendous credit to him, is that we understand that inflation is not an abstract concept.
	You and I and your listeners feel this every time we go to the grocery store.
	In fact, I was shopping with our little girls, grocery shopping, Saturday afternoon here in Northern Virginia.
	And I said, good Lord!
	I mean, what has happened to prices just in the last few weeks?
	That's what we mean, Senator Paul and I, when we use the word crisis.
	It isn't just a crisis for us and our government, because we're on the brink of this fiscal cliff.
	It's a crisis for us and our own pocketbooks.
	And I look forward to the day when we can get past this, because it means that we understand we can't continue to spend this kind of money and expect inflation to go away.
	Now, God willing, as you said, the Democrats will be handed their quote-unquote rear ends in the midterms, which means the House, which controls the purse strings, is back in conservative hands.
	But here's the, you know, the impolite question.
	We see a Republican Party that's been spending like drunken sailors from the Bush years.
	The debt ceiling, the social net deficits.
	Talk to us about the chances we have to get our side to not spend our great-grandchildren's legacies.
	We have to.
	At Heritage, I have been telling our conservative friends in both chambers, it is not enough for y'all to use the messaging that we come with on fiscal restraint to win the election.
	It's far more important, especially for Heritage, that when you're in power, we're holding you accountable to this.
	And you know why?
	First of all, it's the right thing to do.
	But number two, American conservatives have had enough.
	I mean, we, American conservatives, are just as frustrated with guys and gals on our side who talk a good game in the middle of a campaign, get elected, and then when we show up at their doorstep in their Capitol offices and say, what are you doing to rein in this spending?
	They've got a litany of excuses about why they can't.
	And just to put a fine point on that, Seb, think about Senator McConnell's response to Senator Rick Scott when Senator Scott came out with this very ambitious agenda.
	Well, what did Heritage do?
	We embraced Senator Scott.
	Explain the story there, what the plan was, Mitch McConnell's response.
	Unpack that.
	Yeah, so the story is Senator Scott from Florida put together an 11-point plan for conservative governance and included not just fiscal restraint, which we were just talking about, but education reform, foreign policy.
	Basically, it's the kind of plan that any conservative would agree with.
	Would you and I quibble with some details?
	Sure.
	I mentioned that to Senator Scott.
	He said, Kevin, the point isn't that I'm 100% right.
	The point is, and this is the point of the story, is that our base expects us to have a plan.
	And it's that that Senator McConnell had such a reaction against.
	And so we decided we want to elevate this plan, and for that matter, just the conversation.
	So we've got an event with Senator Scott later this week, and we're just signaling to everybody, you can be Senator McConnell and have a plan.
	We're going to give you an event too.
	But have a plan!
	All right, we're going to post the details of that event as well.
	We're talking to the president of the Heritage Foundation, Kevin Roberts, KevinRobertsTX and Heritage.org.
	Friends, if you want to send a message to this mentally compromised individual in the White House who, when Russia invaded its neighbor for a second time, Said what?
	Hey, we'll send you a plane.
	You can run away, Zelensky.
	And what did he do?
	The diminutive Jewish president of Ukraine said, I don't need a ride.
	I need ammunition.
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	It's not Private Ryan.
	It's not Enemy at the Gate.
	That is audio from Ukraine in a suburban area.
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	Kevin, I told the story from CPAC when you sat down with us from that very noisy radio row about how I bumped into you at Reagan Airport on the way to CPAC.
	And we just chatted for milliseconds at the security checkpoint.
	And I was like, oh, so relieved.
	Again, Kevin gets it.
	He gets it.
	And it was with the issue.
	The war had just broken.
	I can't believe that was just a few weeks ago.
	Man, time flies.
	Wow.
	And you said, yeah, we need some clarity on our side.
	Russia invading another country led by a KGB colonel is bad.
	And to say that the guy who's staying to fight is some puppet of the globalists every day every I don't know how many hours I spend on social media saying yeah well you know Zelensky appeared in a pop video in high heels therefore oh now I understand why it's okay to bomb a maternity hospitals.
	Talk to me about this Very disturbing phenomena amongst so-called conservatives of conspiracy theories with regards to this war.
	And then as the president of this august institution, the Heritage Foundation, how do we respond?
	Well, let me just say it's bizarre.
	There's no room whatsoever.
	I'll just write a headline for you.
	There's no room whatsoever, I would argue, across the American political spectrum, but especially among the conservatives, For us to do anything but decry and condemn the Putin invasion of Ukraine.
	Is there room for disagreement about what American help looks like?
	Sure, of course.
	And you and I talked about that in the airport.
	And there, there's an emerging consensus.
	I might say in part because my smart colleagues at Heritage have been really vocal about this.
	That when we're helping Ukraine, let's recognize we should have been sending them munitions six and seven months ago.
	Correct.
	Let's recognize that our president not only refused to facilitate the transfer of MiGs from Poland to Ukraine, he said he was going to do it and then backtrack, which sounds a heck of a lot like how he backtracked out of Afghanistan.
	But all of that to say.
	But one more thing, if I may.
	Sure.
	There's a question of honor, not for Biden, but for America.
	That's right.
	When we signed that deal with Ukraine in the 90s saying, if you give your nukes back to Russia, we will make sure nothing bad happens to you.
	That's right.
	And then, you know, if they still had the nukes, they never would have been invaded.
	And we said we said that doesn't make them an A to ally.
	But there's a question of honor here.
	Yeah, that's right.
	And that actually goes straight to the heart of this argument that you and I are having with some some other conservatives.
	And it is we're not saying that we're going to send 100,000 ground troops to Ukraine by saying we have to defend this.
	We're talking about something that's imprinted on our souls.
	Yes!
	And that is the individual freedom we each have from our Creator is manifest at the societal level in the form of sovereignty.
	That's what Putin is obviously violating.
	We have to stand against.
	And there should be agreement across the political spectrum with who the bad guys are.
	And for conservatives, hang on a second, stop!
	Stop the presses!
	Hold the horses!
	A man staying there to fight for his country and for his family How do you not get that as a conservative?
	I mean, is there something more John Wayne than what this little Jewish comedian is doing?
	Guys, it's their 1776.
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	Kevin, you had a 501c3, which is the legal status of something that does policy work that is not political.
	You're not doing overt political work.
	It is policy work, although you have an identity as conservative.
	Can you talk to our millions of listeners from Los Angeles to New York About what it means that you've moved from Texas, one of the freest states in the Republic, to this stinking, fetid, rotten cesspit.
	It's not even a swamp, it's a cesspit that is DC.
	You're running this organization, and how what Andrew Breitbart told us, late, great Mr. Andrew Breitbart, that politics is downstream from culture.
	How, the way I translate that, is by the time an issue, whatever your issue is, the First Amendment, the right to life, the Second Amendment, by the time it's reached this city, it's done and dusted.
	It's not going to be decided, sorry guys, not decided in Congress on Capitol Hill, because it has already been decided in the culture 10, 20 years ago.
	Talk to us about that as an educator, about how our roles as conservatives It's not just about voting every couple of years.
	It's about our role in the culture every single day.
	Could you expand on that?
	Sure.
	I'm glad you asked that question because I think one of the things that some establishment types in DC find jarring about me, in addition to the fact that I'm an adopted Texan and a Christian and a real conservative... Oh, that's like three strikes!
	You're done!
	You're done!
	It's like, Roberts, get out of here!
	Yeah, in fact, one of them told me, well, you know, I don't think we're gonna be able to invite you to our Christmas party.
	And I went home and my wife's response was, heck yeah!
	You know you're doing your job.
	You didn't roll up into a little ball and say, oh, I didn't, I'm not going to the cocktail party in Morgan's Atom.
	It tells you so much.
	To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, I feel like I'm doing the Lord's work in the devil's city.
	But your question, I think, is the important one, Seth.
	And I think the crucial thing for people to understand about our work at Heritage is we're going to fight the tactical fights, which are those policy fights that are so downstream from culture.
	But increasingly what we're doing, and I'm doing this myself, is reminding people, and we are investing in, the rebuilding of American institutions.
	But it's in those institutions, whether they're left of center institutions or right of center institutions, where we make government less relevant.
	That's ultimately the objective.
	And perhaps because I'm a guy from the States, I'm a D.C.
	outsider, I will always be, I see the world that way.
	And it's probably why I'm optimistic.
	In other words, just to put a real fine point on it.
	If my success at Heritage were going to be determined by legislation that was passed, I wouldn't be very successful, right?
	But if my success is determined, our success at Heritage is determined by our role in revitalizing the conservative movement, meaning especially outside this city, then man, I'm telling you I'm really optimistic because you and I both know what's going on in the grassroots.
	Americans are saying, we've had enough.
	Give us a plan and the plan is it starts so far upstream from what's going on in DC.
	We have to be attentive to what's going on in our local communities.
	Now, I don't have the latest figures.
	You're the guy on the inside.
	But I think when Ed Fulner was the head, he shared with me the funding stats for Heritage.
	It's something ridiculous.
	60-70% is from small funders, I mean real Americans.
	No, it's completely, and in fact the percentage is higher than that.
	Over the last 10 years, we've had about one and a half million different Americans give money to Heritage.
	Which you say... You mean you're not run by Super PAC?
	Decidedly not, in a dwindling number of corporations, especially after this guy you're talking to.
	That's a good metric!
	Big Tech, go pound sand.
	We don't want you around here.
	Right.
	In that case, please take this opportunity, because some of them have been on my show and some of them, listen, I need the new head to just Straight on, grab the bull by the horns.
	The Heritage Foundation, full disclosure, my wife works there, I love Kay Coles James, I love Ed Fulner, I've advised the Heritage Foundation.
	Your response to those who say they're conservatives, who say that's just, what do they call it, con-inc, conservative incorporated, and you're just another version of Mitch McConnell.
	Well, you've proven that!
	How long have you been there?
	Just a couple of months?
	I mean, you've already demonstrated that you are no rhino, but can you just look into the camera and tell them how wrong they are?
	Yeah, number one, I acknowledge your emotion.
	You're right about Conservative Inc.
	I took this job to make sure that wasn't the case.
	And so number two, let me just say, and I mean this, honest to God, I would not say a half-truth at all, but especially in front of a friend and in front of all of you.
	All of us at Heritage want to destroy that mythology about Heritage being part of Conservative Inc.
	With action!
	With action!
	That was what I was about to say.
	No, no.
	Hold us accountable.
	And so let me just say this.
	I've not seen other groups in the Capitol in my three and a half months when we're over there lobbying, quote unquote, because, you know, we're not whining and dining the officials.
	We're there advocating for our priorities of pushing back against big tech on identifying the Chinese Communist Party as the gravest threat to America.
	I don't see other people there.
	Or let's just give this guy full credit.
	The first case Heritage has ever brought to the court was what was under your watch.
	And what was it?
	It was on day literally day one.
	And it was to end the vaccine mandate.
	OK, guys, come on.
	You know, don't judge people by what they say just by what they do.
	Amen.
	OK, let me touch a third rail here, which I think is crucial.
	I love touching third rails.
	I'm good.
	That's why you're texting.
	Election fraud.
	Yeah, I kind of had it with you know, I've used this third time putative conservatives in this this hour already, who say forget the last election move forward.
	Oh, Trump this Trump that you got to talk about when we know That mail-in ballots are a problem, number one.
	When we know the governor of Virginia, the butcher of Richmond, Ralph Northam, for the first time in the history of the Commonwealth, said, yeah, we're not going to check signatures on mail-in ballots.
	There's only one reason you do that.
	It's to steal elections.
	That's right.
	What should the conservative movement's attitude to the midterms in 2024 be in terms of election integrity, Kevin?
	Three things.
	The first is to remain very skeptical, and so don't take anything as gospel, including from conservative officials, that it's fixed because it isn't.
	Right.
	But point number two, to sort of counterbalance that, we've made great progress at the state legislative level.
	Heritage issued what we call our election integrity scorecard.
	It is the metric by which you judge states.
	The highest grade right now on that scorecard is a B+.
	But the highest grade a year and a half ago was a C. And so that is to say, we've made some progress, but we've not fixed it.
	And then point number three is I'm always keen on advising people, what can we do as individuals?
	Go be election judges, be precinct watchers.
	That's why Glenn Youngkin won the governor's race, because he won.
	Of course, he ran a great campaign, great messaging.
	He was right on all of the issues, especially education.
	But he won because conservatives said, we're not going to listen to the media about forgetting about 2020.
	We're going to take matters into our own hands.
	And tens of thousands of new conservative precinct watchers showed Yeah, I would make that one modification.
	It wasn't conservatives talking to my precinct captain.
	It was people who had no political identity.
	That's a fair point.
	Right?
	That's true.
	Who flooded, came to her and said, I've never been involved in politics, but I've got a pulse.
	I'm breathing.
	How can you use me?
	And fascinatingly, and Rosie's been on my show.
	A lot of them from the Asian community who were apolitical and said, this is nuts!
	The masks, the mandates, inflation, shutting down, whatever.
	And they said, use me.
	So guys, listen to Kevin Roberts.
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	Okay, um, what was that, John?
	That felt like five minutes, that discussion so far.
	What happened to the time?
	It's amazing.
	Time vortex.
	All right, well, he's going to do this every month with us.
	We're super excited.
	We've got a couple of minutes left with the new president of the Heritage Foundation.
	When did you arrive?
	How many years ago was it now?
	December 1st, last year.
	This is month four.
	Crazy.
	Okay.
	I'll prepare to let you choose the topic for the last few minutes.
	Oh, no, I wouldn't do that.
	You're a great, great topic chooser.
	Go for it.
	In that case, the most exciting thing you said the first time you came on my show, I think it was the week you arrived, I asked you as a former president of a college, as a professor, what, third generation educator?
	Fifth.
	Fifth!
	Okay, fifth generation educated.
	I asked you about, hey, it's so exciting in the schools, what's happening at the school board meetings.
	What about higher ed?
	What about the colleges?
	And you said, burn it all down, except for places like Heritage and the rare, you know, Hillsdale, like Hillsdale and Grove City.
	Talk to us for a few minutes about the conservative challenge In the whole higher ed sphere?
	Well, we all know that conservative free speech in colleges, whether you're a student or a professor, is practically non-existent.
	We know the second point is that the federal government, using our tax dollars, is funding that because we continue to create a disordered market.
	I mean, the reason tuition is so expensive is because the federal government is so involved.
	Having said that, the only way to fix it is to recognize the old system is it's not going to be crushed under the weight of its own stupidity.
	It's happening present tense, and therefore I want to end on a positive note.
	There are a lot of disruptions going on, good disruptions.
	The University of Austin, right there in the shadow of my alma mater, very liberal University of Texas, is a private university that isn't quote-unquote conservative, Seb.
	It's just for people who want Real inquiry.
	But do they take federal funds?
	They absolutely do.
	That's the key, isn't it?
	It's the key.
	So whether it's Hillsdale or Grove City, the institution that I led that under my leadership rejected student loans and grants, Wyoming Catholic College, the way I'm spending my time in part as president of the Heritage Foundation is encouraging additional university administrations to say, we've had enough.
	You're going to be able to live without the money, because guess what happens?
	Americans say, we're looking for courage in this moment of American weakness, and we need to find it in higher ed.
	And what about this suggestion that Charlie Kirk's been doing for a year or two now, that if you graduated from a college that's gone super woke, you may have had fun there 20, 30 years ago, but don't give them a stinking penny.
	That's what I mean by burning it down, is let those institutions completely collapse.
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	Anything else we need to mention?
	Any projects?
	Any other heritage platforms?
	One, it's very exciting when I talk about being on offense and taking action.
	The Conservative Oversight Project is a two-month-old project at Heritage.
	We are taking a page from the left, which under the Trump administration, for example, just used FOIA, the Freedom of Information Act request, to bog down all of the good deregulation.
	We're using that.
	This is happening right now.
	We've built the Conservative Oversight Project, a team of four full-time lawyers, where we're sending FOIA requests to the Biden administration, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer every day literally said, and what that is, is the blueprint for when our guys are back in power a year from now, to take action on that.
	Conservative Oversight Project.
	Yes.
	And they can find that at Heritage.org.
	Just go to Heritage.org, put in Conservative Oversight Project.
	I love it.
	I'm going to do it today.
	This is guerrilla warfare and politics.
	We've got to win.
	It's irregular warfare.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.

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