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	What you saw yesterday was history.
	Later at the lunch, maybe you might want to watch, I'm going to be reading a poem written by Bono about Ukraine, which you might find interesting.
	Third most powerful woman, person in the world, Nancy Pelosi, telling us that she's going to read a poem by Bono on the war in Ukraine.
	I found that earlier today.
	I sent it to my producer, Jeff, and what was your response, Mr. G?
	I thought it really was a joke.
	I couldn't believe it was real.
	Yeah, a deep fake.
	It's not!
	Welcome, dear friends.
	This is America First with the Salem Radio Network.
	With me, your host, Sebastian Gorka.
	These are the trying times, the insane times we live in.
	But here we have some good news for you.
	It's been far too long, but two of our most popular guests here, when we used to broadcast on YouTube, they'd come on the show and we'd had half a million views for their segments within a matter of a day or two.
	They are back In studio for the whole third hour of the show, Joe DeGeneva and Victoria Tunsing.
	Mike Duran from the Hudson Institute.
	We're going to be talking to one of the leaders of the Truckers Convoy and the Washington Bureau Chief for Breitbart.com, Matt Boyle.
	But first, let's stop for a second and just talk about the facts concerning Russia.
	Yes, there are events occurring right now in Ukraine that need to be verified.
	There is a lot of misinformation, disinformation, and we need to, as President Reagan said, trust but verify.
	But what do we know for certain About Russia, what do we know for certain about Vladimir Putin?
	Because some very strange things are being said concerning the justification, the precursors to this conflict and the motivations of Vladimir Putin.
	For example, that Russia was provoked, that it's America's fault Or NATO's fault?
	Or even Ukraine's fault?
	Which is strange, given the fact that Russia has more than 6,000 nuclear warheads.
	How does the Ukraine undermine and threaten Russia, the largest nation in the world?
	Let me just leave that hanging out there.
	When it comes to the President of Russia, there are others who say, well, he's a good guy.
	Why?
	Because he's fighting corruption in Ukraine, which is strange, because that would mean he's against corruption.
	Everything we know about him, since his time in the KGB, since his position as deputy to the mayor of St.
	Petersburg, as prime minister to President Yeltsin, and then President Yeltsin's successor, is about being corrupt.
	He is in fact the richest man in the world, not because he earned his money fairly, but because he privatized most of Russia into his back pocket and the pockets of his friends.
	Or even more strange, the arguments that somehow he is a champion of Western civilization, of Christianity and family values, as if Hitler was a champion of family values because he believed that young Germans should have lots of children.
	Is it really too complex a mathematic formula to understand that when a bad person agrees with you on an issue, it doesn't make them good?
	Hitler didn't like communists.
	Does that make him a good man?
	Of course it doesn't!
	So let's stop and look at Russia.
	The things that are indisputable and the things we know about Vladimir Putin that are without question.
	Russia is not a democracy.
	It's not a republic.
	It's not a representative, transparent form of anything.
	It is a kleptocracy run by corrupt and evil men who murder those that disagree with them.
	Be they journalists slain on the doorsteps of their apartments in Moscow because they wrote an investigative piece about Vladimir Putin, or whether they're former members of the security services who have escaped to the West Told them everything they know about Putin's corruption and then are killed by having polonium put in their tea in a London restaurant.
	This is a man who thinks nothing of killing his fellow Russians for political purposes.
	To all those who think that this is a war between Russia and the globalists, between a champion of the West, And the evil World Economic Forum puppets.
	Please look into the coverage of the 1999 Moscow bombings.
	We're going to have in studio A man who served as a bureau chief, who worked inside the Soviet Union in the 70s, and then, after the fall, worked in Moscow as a journalist.
	The only, or the first journalist, to be PNG'd, to be made persona non grata and kicked out of Russia by the Putin regime, because he's a truth teller.
	And David Satter has written a great deal about the Moscow apartment bombings.
	Yeltsin was in trouble.
	They hadn't changed the constitution, which meant he had to leave after his maximal term.
	How was he going to survive, given the fact that he was at less than 2% popularity, was incredibly corrupt, and wanted to be protected by the next president?
	He made a former KGB colonel called Vladimir Putin his prime minister.
	Then he made sure that he could announce that his prime minister would take over from him.
	In a very sudden announcement that occurred at the same time as a series of bombings in Moscow and other cities in Russia that killed hundreds of Russians sleeping in their beds.
	Bombings that were blamed on the Chechen separatists.
	Until the last bombing was prevented.
	The bomb was discovered and individuals who worked for the FSB were arrested.
	The FSB being the modern version of the KGB.
	Excuses were proffered that this was just an anti-terrorism exercise.
	But it is now beyond a shadow of a doubt.
	The security forces working under Putin's orders Who placed those bombs in those Russian apartment buildings targeting Russians.
	Why?
	So there would be a state of war.
	There could be something Putin could represent to his potential voters as a crusade against evil terrorists that would help propel him to the presidency of the Russian Federation.
	So when people today say, oh my, why would Russians bomb a hospital in Mariupol?
	Why would they bomb a theatre today?
	A theatre that is housing women and children refugees?
	I say one thing.
	I say Moscow apartment bombings.
	Or if you prefer, Chechnya and Grozny, where Putin deployed the most evil of weapons against civilian targets.
	To break the back of another population that wanted to be independent.
	These are just the facts of the matter and they must inform your decisions as we look at the events occurring in Ukraine.
	Trust reliable proven sources and look at the history books.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First.
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	Next, BrightBots, Matt Boyle.
	The End Cuts 5, 6, and 7 back to back.
	All right, Mike's back on.
	Cuts five, six, and seven back to back.
	Convicted hate crime hoaxer Jesse Smollett was just sentenced to jail, and now he's been released from jail, or is about to be.
	He was just a few days into his 150-day sentence, but this evening an appeals court ruled that Jesse Smollett can go home while he works to get his conviction overturned.
	Because he's not a Trump voter.
	He's not one of those January 6 guys rotting in solitary for more than a year.
	He's Jesse Smollett.
	He's a famous actor.
	I think it's clear that the leader of the free world is President Zelensky.
	He and the Ukrainian people are tough as a boot.
	And we need to have their back.
	The rest of President Biden's economic response to the invasion and military response to the invasion, in my judgment, has been a wimp fest.
	You know, it was also widely reported that Bill had a friendship or business or some kind of contact with Jeffrey Epstein and that you were not, uh, that that was very upsetting to you.
	Did that play a role in the, in the divorce at all in this process?
	Yeah.
	As I said, it's not one thing.
	It was many things, but I did not like, uh, that he'd had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein.
	No.
	Cut.
	Cut.
	Sam, please.
	Yeah.
	I hope he'll be taken out.
	One way or the other, I don't care how they take him out.
	I don't care if we send him to The Hague and try him.
	I just want him to go.
	Yes, I'm on record.
	Please understand, Senator Lindsey Graham, if John McCain were here, he'd be saying the same thing, I think.
	It's time for him to go.
	He's a war criminal.
	I wish somebody had taken him.
	Why would you quote McCain?
	I don't get it either.
	Weren't he and McCain like BFF?
	No, but that's irrelevant.
	Concerners hate McCain.
	Why would you quote him?
	I know.
	I don't get it.
	It's weird.
	Cut nine.
	I think that sometimes ago for the interview of some American journalist, journalist I said that really President Biden is the presidents of United States who is better know our country and who is done and more than all presidents of United States.
	Thank you.
	That's because they haven't gotten it yet.
	That's why he's saying that.
	Right.
	Commenters once again not holding anything back anymore.
	One guy says, both Russia and Ukraine's governments are criminals.
	Lots of propaganda coming out of Ukraine.
	No justification for Ukraine killing its own citizens in the Donbass for 8 years.
	Based on what?
	Just respond to that guy.
	Give me the proof that Ukrainians are killing their own citizens.
	I'm not interested in the Azov battalion of 900 guys.
	I want his sources.
	He posted a link to a YouTube video saying, here's a Ukrainian bombing of civilians in Donetsk.
	I mean... Posted by who?
	Uh, let me see... 40 seconds.
	We have the... Oh, are we calling Boyle?
	We've got the cameras up.
	He's connected right now.
	Oh, good!
	Can you hear me?
	The man that I slept through today, this morning.
	No worries, Dr. G. No worries.
	It was totally fine.
	I handled it.
	I handled it well.
	Of course you did.
	Though the Breitbart audience was definitely missing it.
	I'm going to do a big Mayor Culper live on radio.
	I'm going to tee up Lindsey for Matt.
	Okay, teeing up Lindsey for Matt.
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	Make sure that I'm up in time.
	But I silenced my phone, didn't set my alarm clock, and I missed my Thursday morning session!
	On Breitbart.com, Sirius XM, The Patriot Channel, hosted this morning by Matt Boyle.
	I apologize to all the Breitbart listeners, and he's such a mensch.
	He's such an upstanding guy that he didn't blow me off.
	The Washington Bureau Chief of Breitbart is with us now.
	Welcome, Matt Boyle.
	Dr. Gorka, always a pleasure.
	Don't worry about it.
	We'll make up for it next week.
	We'll get a double dose of Gorka.
	I love I love it.
	Let's do it.
	The audience loves you.
	Let's do it.
	I love being on your show and on Alex's show.
	OK.
	Read this guy every day.
	Follow them.
	Breitbart.com.
	Matt, I played a cut in the break.
	So I did a monologue on Ukraine.
	Then I played a cut from the latest from Lindsey Graham about how we have to kill Putin or get him in a dock.
	And he says something weird at the end, and you are the consummate insider.
	I don't understand it.
	Maybe the Washington Bureau Chief for Breitbart.com does.
	Cut to him.
	Play cut.
	Yeah, I hope he'll be taken out.
	One way or the other, I don't care how they take him out.
	I don't care if we send him to The Hague and try him.
	I just want him to go.
	Yes, I'm on record.
	Please understand, Senator Lindsey Graham, if John McCain were here, he'd be saying the same thing, I think.
	It's time for him to go.
	He's a war criminal.
	I wish somebody had taken Hitler out in the 30s.
	Now, you know, he has no credibility anymore, especially with his comments on January 6th and everything else, but is he so isolated?
	I mean, amongst conservatives, why would you mention John McCain's name at a press conference you're giving?
	Do you understand any kind of logic there, Matt Boyle?
	I think we might be more than three years from an election.
	That may be the problem, right?
	So look, here's the deal.
	The fact of the matter is, first off, whatever you think about Vladimir Putin, sending in somebody to go take him out or something like that, that's going to lead to worse than World War III.
	I mean we're talking about nuclear powers striking at each other.
	Maybe we need some cooler heads to prevail.
	It's almost like the last several years didn't happen for any of these people, right?
	Like Donald Trump defeated the war party in 2016.
	He defeated the Bushes.
	Remember when he got up there in the debate stage in South Carolina and he really just defenestrated not just Jeb Bush but George W. Bush and this whole vision that John McCain had laid out for the Republican Party and Mitt Romney and all these other losers.
	That's where the heart and soul of the party is right now.
	The American people are war wary.
	They're tired of this nonsense.
	They do not want to send American boys and girls over to go die in some God-forbidden tundra or desert or whatever for a cause that there isn't, frankly, much of an American interest in.
	Now, that being said, the American people, I think, also have Incredible compassion for the Ukrainians, and I think that they want to help them, but that means that they don't need to, that doesn't mean we need to go send off troops to Europe to go fight the war for them.
	No, we can send them supplies, and we're doing that, and we can help them out.
	And look, here's the deal, it's a bellicose rhetoric like this that costs Republicans significantly politically going into elections.
	It's Mitt Romney failures, it's Jeb Bush failures, it's It's the Bush family, it's the McCain vision of the Republican Party that's been failed, that's been voted out by Donald Trump, and frankly this is why we need Donald Trump to come back!
	But Matt, the shocking thing is, and you nailed it right at the beginning of your response, it's as if...
	Donald Trump never happened.
	How do these people think they can get away with it, given the rise, the inexorable rise of the America First MAGA wing of the new Republican Party?
	How are these people still acting like rhinos, man?
	Because they were elected back in the day is when John McCain was still alive.
	And they were elected and they were, that's the problem with this, right?
	Is that slowly but surely the party is changing.
	We're getting new, fresh voices elected to the Senate, to the House, to governor's mansions, other offices, state houses, etc.
	But the transformation is not complete.
	And so you've still got voices like that that are in there that are holdovers from the old failed Bush-McCain way of doing things in the past.
	The voters have made clear they don't like this worldview.
	They do not want this.
	And frankly, again, I cannot state how important it is that for this transformation to continue, Donald Trump has to come back and he has to run again.
	I mean, we're waiting on him.
	We know he's running.
	We know he's running.
	Let's talk about this rump.
	Is this guy ever going to be re-elected?
	part of the GOP.
	I just for those who aren't familiar, this is from the Blaze headline.
	GOP Senator Mitt Romney votes with Democrats to keep mask mandates for toddlers.
	Is this guy ever going to be reelected?
	Please tell me he isn't going to be reelected in Utah, Matt.
	Well, there's a story out this week that first off, Romney's not up for reelection again until 2020.
	That's one of the things.
	Senate elections are every six years.
	Now, Mike Lee is up this year, and this is important.
	Mike Lee deserves people's support, and Mitt Romney's trying to undermine him.
	Mitt Romney's trying to get... so there's never Trump.
	Remember Egg McMuffin?
	Evan McMuffin?
	He's running for US Senate right now in Utah against Mike Lee.
	And now they've got a secret pact with the Democrats out there where they're trying to undermine Mike Lee by not having any Democrat candidate run so that all the Democrat voters and the Never Trump voters go behind Ed McMuffin.
	And then they overpower him.
	Now Mitt Romney won't endorse Mike Lee.
	And this is a big deal because he says he won't get involved in primaries, yet two days earlier he was doing a fundraiser for Liz Cheney.
	The Democrats must be funding McMuffin, no Matt?
	100%.
	So Ben McAdams, the Democrat former congressman from there, is literally on the record in the Salt Lake Tribune Uh, backing up McMuffin and saying that he's the only way the Democrats can take this seat.
	So, but the fact of the matter is, is that Mike Lee needs people's help right now, but Romney in 2024 is likely, there was a big story the other day about this, that he's likely to face Sean Reyes, who's the, the Trump allied attorney general of Utah is considering a run against Romney and Romney tries to laugh it off when he was asked about it.
	But the fact of the matter is that if Sean Reyes runs against Romney, he's been elected statewide.
	Multiple times.
	The guy knows what he's doing.
	He's a serious candidate, and I think could give Mitt Romney a run for his money.
	So that would be something to watch very closely.
	But in the meantime, to diminish Romney's support, Mike Lee has to win this year.
	Re-election.
	Mike Lee's been a great conservative senator, and people need to help him in a big way.
	And we need to expose this plot by the Never Trumpers, led by Mitt Romney and Ed McMuffin and Liz Cheney, to try to undermine Senator Lee.
	Very, very important fight out there right now.
	We're working on some big stories on Breitbart right now.
	It's not just Senator Romney.
	Five of the Republicans voted against firing Fauci.
	I'll give you that list next.
	In the meantime, make sure you go to Breitbart.com, bookmark it, read all of Matt's articles.
	He is the Washington Bureau Chief.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	We'll be back with Matt after these messages.
	We'll be back with Matt after these messages.
	By the way, have you been following this whole thing with Oz and Pennsylvania and dual citizenship?
	Oh my god.
	So, yeah, no, we had McCormick on this morning.
	So, and talking about that.
	So tell me about that race.
	It's McCormick all the way, dude.
	I mean, you can't have Dr. Oz as a senator.
	The guy's a straight-up Democrat.
	So, and that's why Cruz is in Pompeo and all of them are behind McCormick.
	So, they've endorsed him in that one.
	And by the way, McCormick's actually pretty solid on the issues.
	Can you pick up the phone in there?
	Just pick it up and say hold.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, it seems like such a vanity project run for us.
	Yeah, and frankly, the guy is a mess on the issues.
	Like, he's just a total mess on them.
	And again, he's literally served in the Turkish military and has dual citizenship with Turkey.
	Again, I don't have a problem with people with dual citizenship.
	That's not an issue.
	But if you're going to serve in the United States Senate, you need to make a pick of sad here, right?
	Like, you know what I mean?
	And he maintained his Turkish citizenship by serving in the Turkish army, right?
	Like, so, I mean, it's just, and then he keeps saying he wants to keep it.
	And then now he came back and says that he's going to pull it back.
	I don't know, man.
	Oh, so he flip-flopped on it?
	Yeah, he flip-flopped on it.
	Now he says he's not going to keep it.
	If he's elected, he'll renounce the Turkish citizenship.
	But in the meantime, he's keeping it.
	Not a good uptick.
	Not good.
	Not good.
	But McCormick's really great on China, so you should get to know him at some point.
	Oh good.
	Yep.
	Alright, so will you come in with the MyPillow audio?
	Yep.
	Was that about the Pennsylvania Senate?
	Yeah.
	What's he think about it?
	It's gotta be McCormick.
	It's gotta be McCormick.
	There's so many in, like 15% or 20% is gonna win it.
	Really?
	I think McCormick's going to do a little better than that.
	I think he's going to do a little better than that.
	He's close to 30 if not over it by now.
	He's definitely up double digits on us.
	It's going to be one of those two that wins it, but it's got to be McCormick.
	So it can't be us.
	Nice.
	So is Alex traveling or just busy?
	Uh, I think he just got back so he had me do yesterday's show.
	Oh, that's right.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	You're right, you're right.
	Yeah, I think he took a week off or so and then just got back and so until he gets fully back in the swing, you know, we've been filling in for him, so.
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	Says, thanks to the show team at SebGorka for a serious engagement with Bat.
	Appreciate it.
	And he's referring to today in the chat, I engaged with the one guy, the one guy more often than anyone else who's saying, oh, Ukrainian criminals, Zelensky's no hero.
	He posted a video when I asked for proof to some YouTube channel named Patrick Lancaster.
	I've never heard of him before, but he's some guy who claims he has evidence of Ukrainians slaughtering their own citizens.
	Yeah.
	Well, thank you for the one dollar.
	Why do these people watch my show?
	Because I'm not, you know... I don't know, I... So weird.
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	Not that the FBI is even sniffing and looking.
	Yeah.
	But what if somebody came in and said, you know what? - Yeah.
	We are going to subpoena all his account records and this and that, and then all of a sudden we make the news.
	So it's more of a reputation risk.
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	We are back with Washington Bureau Chief of Breitbart.com, Matt Boyle, a very gracious radio host as well.
	I promised you I was going to read the list of the six Republicans who voted against Rand Paul's Matt, are these people going to get re-elected?
	Fire, Anthony Fauci.
	Of course, Richard Burr, North Carolina.
	Susan Collins of Maine.
	Bill Cassidy of Louisiana.
	Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.
	Jerry Moran of Kansas.
	And of course, Mittens Mitt Romney, Pierre Delecto himself.
	Matt, are these people going to get reelected?
	Are we condemned to having this wing of the GOP with us, even if President Trump is in the White House?
	Well, to your good fans in the great state of Alaska, from that list, there is an opportunity to remove one of them this year.
	That is, Lisa Murkowski is running for re-election this year.
	However, President Trump has endorsed Kelly Chewbacca, the former statewide commissioner.
	She worked in Governor Dunleavy's administration.
	I'm up there against her and there's a massive opportunity to do that.
	So does that candidate have a shot against her?
	Yes, she does.
	And so that race is going to go all the way till November.
	So there's not really a primary.
	Yes, there's a primary, but the top four candidates, no matter which party they are, go all the way to the ballot in November.
	It's a really weird way of doing elections up there in Alaska.
	However, it is very possible that Kelly Chewbacca can defeat Lisa Murkowski.
	And again, she's going to need everybody's help out there.
	That's another place where people can make a huge difference here.
	And by the way, Kelly Chewbacca has promised that if elected to the Senate, she will not support Mitch McConnell as the Senate GOP leader.
	And you want to know why these votes keep happening the way they do and the way they keep failing?
	Right, so it's because you don't have a Republican leader whipping and holding the conference together.
	That's what you need.
	You need a Republican leader who's going to use the power of the leader's office to hold these Republicans together.
	And then the ones who break with the conservatives need to face consequences.
	That's what a real leader does.
	Mitch McConnell doesn't do any of that.
	Now occasionally you do see it happen where the Republicans are organized on something.
	You saw this with the Raskin nomination to the Federal Reserve.
	Where the Biden just faced massive defeat and had to withdraw the nomination, Raskin had to withdraw and whatnot.
	But if we had a Republican leader in a 50-50 Senate who actually fought and actually fought the Democrats right now, we would be seeing that outcome happen a lot more than we do right now.
	And that's why that Alaska Senate race is so important.
	So you want to get any of them out of there?
	That's where to focus this year.
	But are you seriously telling me, Matt Ball, Breitbart, Washington Bureau Chief, that if we win the Senate in November, Mitch McConnell is getting replaced?
	I didn't say that.
	So I did say that I think that the tide is... I think we're headed to a place of it's a when not if scenario with McConnell.
	I think that McConnell's days are numbered.
	I'm not saying that it's going to happen at the end of this year or the beginning of next year.
	Well, the beginning of the year after that.
	But I do think that the day is coming that Mitch McConnell is numbers is going to be up.
	And I do think that it may coincide with President Trump returning in 2024.
	But what we need to do is we need to get good Republicans elected into these key states.
	That's why all these primaries matter around America, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri, etc.
	And where they come down on McConnell, Alabama, where they come down on McConnell, where they come down on key issues is an important thing to watch.
	That's literally what I'm spending 95 percent of my time on right now is the Senate primaries in key congressional races around America because it's what cuts the wheat from the chaff.
	This is how you determine the future of the Republican Party.
	We made a lot of progress during the Trump administration.
	We've changed a lot inside the Republican Party.
	It's a much better party.
	But what we need to do is we need to continue that progress, hit the gas pedal and really get rid of these old McCain Bush types and bring in the Trump types.
	And that's how we went.
	If and when President Trump comes back, and I think he will, that I think that the game really changes in 2025.
	I think we may have broken some news here.
	To have Matt Boyle say that Mitch McConnell's days may be numbered, that is a big deal.
	Let's keep an eye on that because that would be the ultimate proof that it has become an America First party.
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	God bless you.
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	We are focused, of course, on Ukraine, on the...
	State of the economy.
	But we also have to look at other news items that the mainstream media simply will not cover.
	And one of them is, of course, the truckers' convoy that has come to the Capitol.
	And we are delighted.
	Thank you, Rosie.
	You know who you are for making the connection with our guest, Mike Landis, who is the co-leader, the co-founder of the People's Convoy.
	Mr. Landis, welcome to America First.
	Hey, good afternoon.
	Thanks for having me on.
	Oh, so give us the ground truth, because I've heard conflicting reports that this was a dud, not enough people showed up.
	Others are saying it's a bit of an anti-climax, but at least you're meeting with senators, with people who can make a difference.
	I want the truth.
	How has it been going, Mr. Landis, and who have you and your fellow truckers managed to connect with here in the swamp?
	Yeah, there's definitely a whole lot of misinformation being put out, especially by the mainstream media on this, because they don't want to see it work.
	But it's actually going very well, you know.
	I mean, numbers are just that, they're numbers.
	And you got to look at actions and the people involved and the wins and moving forward with it, not necessarily just the numbers.
	We've had Thousands and thousands and thousands of people be a part of this as we came across the country.
	I mean, at one point in Oklahoma, the state police actually counted.
	We were 30 miles long with 7000 vehicles.
	Has that dwindled since we've been in Hagerstown?
	Sure.
	But we're, you know, three weeks into this at this point.
	And, you know, people, people did their part and they leave.
	And every day we have people leave and new people come that haven't been able to get to us till now.
	So the numbers saying I don't really care about they can they can, you know, Spend that all they want, but we're making good progress.
	We've gotten you know a number of Senators and Congress people to talk to us, you know, Ted Cruz, obviously, everyone knows he rode in my truck the other day.
	Oh, that was your truck, excellent.
	Yeah, yeah, that was me.
	And tell us, what is your goal with so many states having very different regulations now when it comes to COVID and, you know, and the injections and masks and work conditions?
	What is the goal of the People's Truckers Convoy?
	Yeah, so here's the thing.
	The whole narrative of what we're doing has been so misconstrued by anyone that is opposed to, apparently, people that want to stand up for freedom.
	And that's really what this is about.
	It's not necessarily about masks or vaccines, or it's not anti-vax or anything like that.
	But what it is, It's about our freedom and our freedom of choice and the fact that the government has tried to force this upon people.
	People's lives have been ruined.
	We've met with all these doctors that have tried to speak out, you know, like Dr. Robert Malone, Peter McCullough, and stuff like that, just to name a few.
	And when you learn that nobody ever had to die from COVID and that it all comes down to, you know, like Dr. Fauci being an investor in Moderna, and that's the reason why they couldn't use drugs that actually worked on this.
	It starts to make sense that people have died for other people's financial benefit, and we can prove that through the science with the doctors.
	So what this comes down to is, it's basically a game of accountability.
	They have the COVID emergency act going on, where basically that kind of null and voids the Constitution while that's in place.
	They can choose to follow it or not.
	And the whole goal behind this is to get that taken away, get the Constitution back into 100% play, and then use the science behind these doctors to hold anyone that's from government, big tech, big pharma, even media accountable for false information for all these people that died and didn't have to.
	I mean, what it comes down to is our government has basically defecated on our Constitution, you know, last however many years.
	And the people that love America, whether you were born here, you immigrated here, love our freedoms.
	And, you know, we're seeing that taken away, especially when they don't follow the Constitution.
	What is your message?
	We're talking to Mark Landis, co-organizer of the People's Convoy of Truckers.
	We've got 60 seconds left.
	What is your message to everyone who's listening to this show, millions across the nation, and is there any way that they can support the convoy?
	Yeah, you can go to thepeoplesconvoy.org and make a, you know, financial donation if you'd like to.
	Or, hey, if you're a patriot and you want, come out to the Hagerstown Speedway or follow along and figure out where we'll be if we ever end up leaving there.
	And join up with us and stand.
	We're going to keep pushing back against them.
	The cops have up the ante by blocking interstates and stuff on us here the last couple days.
	And this is about the people.
	It's about our freedoms.
	It's about what America is supposed to stand for.
	It's not anti-government.
	It's not a Trump thing.
	It's not a Democratic thing.
	It's not right or left.
	This is an American people movement and issue.
	Well, God bless you and all of your fellow truckers.
	We love America's truckers.
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	Okay, guys, that website again for the truckers is the peoplesconvoy.org.
	You can support them.
	Thepeoplesconvoy.org.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Let's see how many we can get in.
	Let's go to Don, L.A., line three.
	Oh, Dr. G, what a great call.
	Great show.
	I enjoyed your monologue, you know, talking about Mr. Putin.
	You know, people need to remember, Dr. G, the devil can cite scripture to suit his purpose.
	You know, remember the lie of the serpent in the garden?
	You know, Mr. Putin can sing a sweet song like all communists do about all wonderful family values and make his peace with the church.
	Stalin did no less when Hitler invaded Russia.
	There's a German general named von Melenthin.
	He wrote this great book called Panzer Battles where he talks about this.
	He said the Russians weren't fighting for communism and sacred socialism, so Stalin started talking about Little Mother Russia He made an accommodation with the church, he talked about national-informed, socialist in content.
	You know, so basically, national Bolshevism.
	I know that's not the name of Mr. Putin's party, but that's basically what he is.
	Yes!
	And people should not be taken in.
	They're the same people that said, oh, Ho Chi Minh wasn't really a communist, he's a nationalist first.
	Baloney.
	You know, a leopard doesn't change his spots, but he can camouflage his spots to fool you and me.
	And we're not being fooled.
	And I hope none of these people will, you know, get back on the beam, because they're way off base with this praising Putin stuff.
	And the devil is the best liar out there.
	God bless you.
	Thank you so much, Don.
	Line One waiting very patiently.
	It's Phil in Philly!
	Hey, Dr. G. I know you're strapped for time, so I'll get right to it.
	Congressman Dan Crenshaw is investigating environmental groups funded by Russia to push the climate change agenda to destroy USA energy.
	It's been going on for years.
	Well, on the Sierra Club PAC Fund site, which I found through OpenSecrets.com or .org, whatever, 14 pages of Democrats, not one Republican.
	So I looked at one cycle, one group, just one environmental group, And they donated almost 400 grand to these Democrats in Congress.
	And my question to you is, since we know this is dirty money from these groups contributed here as campaign funds to destroy our country, should these Democrats be made to give that money back?
	Oh, that's good.
	I like that.
	Great question, Phil.
	And thank you again for the great idea for the Americans Abandoning Afghanistan t-shirt and flag.
	Antoinette, line two!
	Let's squeeze in Antoinette!
	Hi, I'll speak fast.
	Hi, Dr. G. Welcome back.
	Thank you.
	Listen, I got to the White House three times these last couple of weeks.
	Did they actually pick the phone up?
	I actually spoke to a human being.
	Wow.
	The first one was very snarky, and I told her, I said, you know what?
	You're not being nice.
	Then she yelled, yes, I am.
	I said, I apologize.
	You're being snarky, like somebody I know.
	Anyway, I did get through.
	What did you tell the White House, Antoinette?
	We need, number one, get our damn oil drilling again.
	Get rid of those stupid regulations.
	Number two, send the jets to Ukraine.
	Come on!
	And sign the damn natural gas line leases.
	We need to be reducing our own energy.
	That's who Antoinette is.
	God bless.
	This is America First.
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	And then there was one other thing, wasn't there?
	I didn't see one.
	I saw there's two copies of the same script, but... Oh, they're both exactly the same?
	They're both the same, yeah.
	Just checked over.
	It was just a double email.
	Alright, you got 20 seconds.
	Standing by.
	Jeff!
	Cap! Cap! Cap!
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	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka Let's have a little juxtaposition.
	This is what's-her-face, loose-denture lady, talking about the president.
	Oh, sorry.
	America First.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	And this is Nancy Pelosi.
	Cut to.
	For a second, I'll just say, President Biden has done a masterful job in managing this situation in a way that is collaborative, not condescending or Has Joe Biden done a masterful job of anything?
	the G7, not only the G7, but the NATO alliance has been remarkable to behold.
	Has Joe Biden done a masterful job of anything?
	I mean anything, apart from providing corrupt millions to his family.
	I've got a better response from that great value for money.
	This is Senator Kennedy on Biden versus Zelensky cut sex.
	I think it's clear that the leader of the free world is President Zelensky.
	He and the Ukrainian people are tough as a boot.
	And we need to have their back.
	The rest of President Biden's economic response to the invasion and military response to the invasion, in my judgment, has been a wimp fest.
	Well, when you stuff your administration with wimps, what are you going to get but a WimpFest?
	Latest reports in excess of 10,000 Russians killed in action in three weeks of fighting.
	When you compare that to 15,000 killed in Afghanistan over a decade for Russia.
	Well, for the Soviet Union, it is a nation as tough as an old boot.
	Well, we here have a WimpFest in America.
	Where did that caller go?
	We had a caller on the line saying, Putin's a great guy.
	He's a really great guy.
	And I wanted to ask him what his source for that is.
	But he wimped out himself.
	He couldn't stay on the line.
	Do call us back.
	If you have the cojones.
	The number is 833-33 Gorka.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	But now I need some counsel from my team.
	I need a little bit of advice.
	Do I spend more time on this issue of those who say they're conservatives spouting garbage like Putin's fighting the globalists?
	He's a champion for Christianity.
	He's a great Western leader.
	And the Ukraine and NATO provoked this war.
	So I'm going to go.
	I haven't rehearsed this.
	I want to know whether it's worth spending time on this at all.
	Or as a very sagacious person told me yesterday, I just ignore it.
	It is a waste of time.
	Let's go from junior to senior.
	Let's go to John Jr.
	What is your take?
	Do we spend time with these people, John?
	I think that's the most important thing in the conservative movement right now.
	100%.
	I think it's the biggest misstep after the entire Biden administration.
	He's been failing, failing, failing.
	We've been on the right side of the argument.
	This is the first time that we're falling off the balance beam.
	And we really need to course correct.
	Why is it so important?
	Because this is where we haven't lost in a while, you know, on any given subject.
	And this is a major point to lose.
	It's a major point to take a bunch of people who are on the right direction, Especially going into the midterms and the 2024 elections and give the left a new point of attack on us.
	It's terrifying to think of our... Right, so this is like the new QAnon crazy, you know... Worse.
	Much worse.
	Angle of attack.
	Much worse.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	It's not what I suspected, but it's convincing.
	Let's go to the medium level of seniority.
	Let's go to the man who always has my six.
	Eric, are you there?
	I've got your six today as always.
	So, do we spend time on this issue?
	Do we ignore it?
	What is the advice of our radical in-house Eric?
	I think it's definitely worth talking about because as we've said kind of off the air in discussing these in the green room in the show prep meetings and whatnot, it's important to get down to the genesis, to the root of where these things come from.
	And in a way, we're getting to watch through the Ukraine crisis a microcosm of how conspiracy theories are born in real time.
	We've said, you know, I mentioned a lot of conspiracy theories are born out of a kernel of truth, you know.
	Oh, there's neo-Nazis!
	You've admitted, like, yes, there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine, but, oh, Biolabs!
	Like, okay, yeah, there technically are some Biolabs here, but, and they blow it way out of proportions, and it's important to talk about that, because then, as Jeff has mentioned, and others have said, you look at the fairly legitimate reasons why people turn to this stuff, what, they don't trust the mainstream media, they don't trust the neocon interventionist political class, there are legitimate grievances there that are being used to blow things way out of proportions and go off the deep end.
	Okay, I'll take that as a confirmatory second vote.
	Let's go to the producer himself.
	Mr. G, where do you stand on this?
	Have I wasted too much time on these crazies already?
	No, but I think there's less crazies than you think.
	I don't think it's as many people as you think.
	Like, the one big account that we were talking about, I've spent so much time trying to figure out who it is.
	It's some anonymous account.
	They're not even saying who they are.
	Oh, you mean the Twitter account that was bashing Levin?
	Election Wiz.
	Election Wizard, right.
	And it's a lot of these people, we don't even know who they are.
	And we've actually spent a lot of time, we think a lot of it has come from InfoWars.
	But all these conspiracy theories, we've been trying to figure out where it started.
	Some of it started with QAnon.
	The other stuff was InfoWars.
	I don't think it's a lot of people that think that way.
	But you think it's not trolls, it's real, but it's a small number.
	Yes, some people are believing it, but I do think the longer this goes on, and as less people are paying attention, those views are going to get bigger and bigger.
	More people are going to start buying into it.
	What about John's take that this leaves us really vulnerable if we don't knock it on the head in the midterm?
	No, I think we're missing something else with the midterms.
	It's the fact that the Democrats are trying to act like they care about Ukraine so much when they don't, and Biden.
	I mean, they're working right now with Russia on an Iran deal.
	As they're sanctioning him left and right, it's almost comical that he's a war criminal but they're going to work with him in the Iran deal.
	It's truly insane, but the very next segment, we're going to keep him here as long as we can, is the Hudson Institute's Mike Duran.
	We're going to talk about the true ramifications, what's happening while everyone is looking at Ukraine, what is happening with the revivification, the resuscitation of the Iran deal, the disastrous Obama-era JCPOA and the role of Russia in strengthening the Ukrainians.
	In the meantime, Does this administration think that a man who bombs hospitals is a war criminal?
	I just saw the drone footage of the theater in Mariupol that was shelled today with women and children inside the theater.
	Incredibly, a true miracle.
	None of them was seriously injured, but outside the building, the front and the back, in giant But does that make him a war criminal?
	Joe Biden's not too sure.
	the ground so aerial fighters, bombers could see it.
	The words children, children, and still the Russians bombed it.
	But does that make him a war criminal?
	Joe Biden's not too sure, or in the space of 30 seconds, he changes his mind.
	Cut four.
	For everything we've seen, are you ready to call for a war criminal?
	No.
	Why not?
	Thank you so much for everything that you do.
	So he's in the White House after some event.
	There are people there to say hello, and then some reporters.
	Oh, I think he is a war criminal.
	It's really...
	So he's in the White House after some event.
	There are people there to say hello, and then some reporters.
	And a reporter asks, do you think...
	It's not a complicated question.
	It's not one that is, you know, suffused with nuance.
	Do you think that Putin is a war criminal?
	And no hesitation!
	No!
	He's not a war criminal!
	And he goes bumbling off.
	Shaking hands, talking to people, not keeping his six foot of distance.
	And then he turns back and he shuffles, I mean really, like a doddery old man, he shuffles back to the same reporter and says, what did you ask me?
	What was that about?
	Is Vladimir Putin a war criminal?
	And he says, oh yes, he is.
	How does a grown person do that?
	No hesitation, no he's not.
	Literally 31 seconds later, yes he is.
	That's the man who sadly bears the title Commander-in-Chief.
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	And tiredness.
	Oh.
	And then it went away.
	I thought, oh, it's over.
	Right.
	And then I got really laid out for like four days.
	Why didn't you take anything?
	I just don't.
	I don't know.
	What, you don't take meds?
	You don't believe in meds?
	No, it's not like that.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like, at each stage I thought it was about to end, so I didn't.
	I never went to the doctor or anything.
	Oh, wait, I just moved it.
	I can see you.
	Yeah?
	As long as you're close.
	Do I need to put headphones on?
	No, you're fine.
	You're fine.
	All right.
	Maybe the mic could be a little bit to his left.
	Your favorite restaurant in Hungary.
	Let's start with that.
	Oh, you know what?
	I don't know the names of them.
	But man, do they eat well.
	Those people know their food.
	I didn't know that it's the foie gras capital of the world.
	The French tried to shut down our foie gras.
	Because we're such a competitor.
	Somebody told me that all the French foie gras comes from Hungary.
	A lot of it does now, but before we joined the EU, they tried to shut it down because it was the biggest.
	That and Sauternes, because Tocquay is the biggest competitor for Sauternes.
	The French wanted to shut down Tocquay as well.
	I don't know what Sauternes is.
	Sauternes, the French dessert wine.
	Oh, right, right, right.
	And we have Tocquay, which is very similar.
	But yeah, the American diplomats when I lived there used to call working there the 30-pound tour.
	If you're at the Hungarian embassy, that's the 30-pound tour.
	Can I take this quickly?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You've got a minute.
	You got 60 seconds.
	Hey.
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	We've tried to get him on the show for weeks, but he's too busy eating foie gras on the banks of the Danube.
	He is a former senior director of the National Security Council, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, and our good friend from the Hudson Institution.
	It is Michael Duran.
	Michael, welcome back in studio.
	Great to be here.
	Thanks for having me.
	Before we get to the big geopolitics, how was the foie gras?
	Fantastic.
	Good.
	I have a medical problem.
	I have a foie gras deficiency.
	I think I have that too.
	I have a chocolate and foie gras deficiency combined.
	I didn't know when I went to Budapest.
	I didn't know.
	You say Budapest, don't you?
	Budapest, it is the correct pronunciation.
	And it used to be called a hundred years ago.
	I speak English.
	Do you know what it used to be called a hundred years ago?
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Budapest?
	Buda!
	No!
	No, what?
	It was called Pest Buda.
	Pest Buda?
	And some bright guy said, you know what, that sounds really dumb.
	Let's flip it.
	And it became Budapest.
	He's just back from Central Europe, a nation that is taking a lot of refugees from Ukraine.
	I've got some specific things to ask you about JCPOA, Russian negotiations, your real expertise on those issues.
	But first, since we haven't had you in studio since the outbreak of the war, give us your take as a national security professional, DoD, NSC, a noun of the think tank community, your instant take home from the last three weeks in terms of Russia's attack, their performance and the Ukrainian response, Michael?
	Well, a shockingly poor performance by the Russians.
	I think everybody is surprised.
	All of the military experts told us that they were going to basically run right over Ukraine.
	Biden is getting a lot of credit for the troubles that, I think publicly, the troubles that the Russians are having, but I don't think he actually deserves it.
	I mean, he's done a lot of things that have been good.
	A lot of things that have been good.
	And there is now weaponry going to the Ukrainians, causing a lot of damage.
	But it's really down to the Ukrainians.
	The Ukrainians handed this to... Why do you think that?
	Why have the Ukrainians performed so well?
	Well, first of all, the Russians had these incredible vulnerabilities in their logistics, and the Ukrainians were ready.
	They were trained for that, and they knew from moment one.
	Very interesting.
	They knew to go after the... not so much directly after the tanks and the artillery, but after the fuel and everything that makes these big convoys move.
	And the convoys can't move, so they're just stuck.
	Yeah.
	And then they don't have, the Russians don't have the, they don't have the tools to go after an insurgency, which is what they're up against.
	A well-organized insurgency.
	And the performance of the president, who was offered an evacuation by this administration, but said, I don't need a ride, I need ammunition?
	I mean, that was actually shameful, when the United States offered him asylum.
	Because that was a pro-Putin move.
	But his performance, fantastic.
	Really, I mean, inspiring.
	Good.
	While you were traveling in Budapest we saw this stunning video from the chief Russian negotiator assisting...
	Assisting the Iranians get their new JCPOA Iran deal.
	And he's saying, as an old hand, probably went to IMO in Moscow and said, yeah, I'm pretty shocked.
	I'm pretty shocked because the Iranians are getting whatever they wanted, plus on top of that, extras from America.
	Will you comment on having a president of the United States calling Vladimir Putin a war criminal as the Russians are helping us negotiate a new Iran deal?
	It's insane, isn't it?
	You know, Ned Price, the spokesman for the State Department, he went out before the podium and he said, Putin is a pariah, Russia is a pariah, but we're working with them on the Iran deal.
	So they're a pariah, but they're a partner.
	It tells you a lot about how they see the world.
	They didn't deter Putin in Ukraine.
	They did not.
	And they're still not deterring him.
	And they're actually working with him as a partner in the Middle East, making him stronger, making Iran stronger.
	They see the world as a concert system with China, Russia, and the United States.
	So there's friction with Putin in Ukraine, but he's not an enemy.
	There's a lot of rhetoric that sounds like they're carrying out a Cold War policy, but they're not.
	And the reports today that this administration is considering removing the IRGC, the Iranian Republican Guard Corps, from the list of terrorists?
	I'm a little... we'll have to wait and see.
	I'm always a little bit wary about these kind of reports because, you know, this came during the Obama administration.
	They would put things like this into the press When they knew they weren't going to lift the designation, so then when they don't, they make themselves look as if they're standing tall.
	So a false report to make them look good?
	It's possible.
	I don't know.
	We have to wait and see.
	But I'm not going to, just in case they are playing that game, I've got caught by that before where I say, this is terrible, this is horrible, and then they say, look, we didn't do it.
	We listened to you.
	It's nonsense like that.
	But it's a fire sale.
	This is not a negotiation with the Iranians.
	They're giving Iran everything at once.
	And if they don't delist the IRGC, they're going to make sure that the money goes to the elements of the IRGC that need to get it.
	And the missile attack in close proximity to the US consulate in Erbil, Iraq?
	Is that an accident, Mike Duran?
	No, it's not an accident.
	These are precision-guided weapons, and they knew it was close to the U.S., and they first were the ones who put out that the U.S.
	was attacked.
	Then, of course, it turns out, no, the U.S.
	wasn't attacked, but it was this close, so that allows the Americans to say, oh, nothing happened here.
	But what is the calculation on behalf of Tehran?
	What is the message of that attack in the proximity to the consulate?
	What are they saying to D.C.? ?
	It's one stone, many birds.
	Unpack that.
	Well, they chose a target, a Kurdish businessman, and it was simultaneously a message to the U.S., to the Israelis, to the Baghdad government, possibly to the Turks.
	Yeah.
	But the key message to the United States was, don't think... Sorry, we have to back up a little bit.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	The US and the Russians said, we won't go through with the Iran deal unless you give us written guarantees that our part in the Iran deal, because the Russians get a piece of the Iranian nuclear program.
	And, you know, the Iranians will put their enriched uranium in Russia.
	So there has to be a carve-out in the sanctions for this.
	And Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, said, I want written guarantees from the United States that we get a carve-out on the sanctions for this.
	And that then put a pause in the negotiations.
	So one of the things the Iranians were saying is, don't, to the Americans, You can't subordinate our issue to the Ukraine conflict.
	But also, the Israelis had killed two Iranian colonels in Syria a week before, and the blaming of the Israelis, we don't know yet, this may or may not have been an Israeli, there may have been an Israeli facility there, but the blaming of the Israelis was a way of saying, too, that we're going to strike the Israelis, and the United States will not help.
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	Mike's on.
	Mic's on.
	Titles, if you have any in mind.
	Everything thus far, including...
	Landis, the truth about the Freedom Convoy.
	Should we call it Freedom Convoy or Truckers Convoy?
	What do people know?
	Truckers is a bigger buzzword.
	Yeah, Truckers Convoy.
	Boyle, is Mitch McConnell... Are Mitch McConnell's days numbered?
	Nice.
	Then for one, a...
	How can anyone support Putin?
	And the pre-record as well.
	Are you getting any flattered for being...
	A lot of our friends have...
	On Instagram, I think there's a little army now that just says you are a deep state, a globalist friend of the World Economic Forum.
	Only Instagram.
	It's weird.
	It's Instagram for some reason.
	Huh.
	Not Twitter.
	A little bit on Twitter, but not like Instagram.
	And it's incredible.
	Even Mark Levin got attacked.
	I did a whole monologue defending Mark and I sent it to him.
	Seriously, a guy who's been the staunchest Reaganaut for 40 years and now you call him a deep state agent?
	For me, and I don't want to waste too much time on it, I'd love to know the genesis of this insanity, because I don't think this is Russian bots.
	I think these are Americans who are just crazy.
	No, it's because they used the Russiagate business.
	Russia's coming, Russia's coming to go after Trump.
	And then, of course, they used Ukraine to go after Trump.
	Right, but I don't care.
	He's a KGB colonel.
	I remember when conservatives hated KGB colonels.
	What happened?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The thing that's really strange is when they say, he is a champion of the West and a Christian.
	Yeah, Sohrab Omari is on there.
	He doesn't like gay marriage, therefore he's our ally.
	Yeah, right.
	Hitler didn't like gay marriage.
	Strange.
	I wonder if Hitler is a champion of the West as well.
	Clip that.
	I just kind of...
	I had a couple of Twitter exchanges with people and then I just decided not even to engage on it.
	But who else is out there?
	Jim Carifano's with us, right?
	Yeah, totally.
	The younger generation.
	So you, me, Jim Carifano, Mark Levin, who else on the sort of Trump-supporting right?
	Oh, Chris Plumb.
	Oh, is he?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Who else?
	I can tell you who isn't.
	It's easier to say who isn't than who is.
	Anybody that understands national security is on your side.
	Right.
	If you understand national security, you're on our side.
	Yeah, I mean, they have created a picture of him and of Russia that fits their domestic agenda.
	But it's a faulty picture.
	It's the younger people that are against it.
	Yeah.
	But, yeah.
	And Tucker.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's the main voice.
	He has a pretty young audience, I think.
	He shifted a little bit, though.
	He has.
	when he noticed how...
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	But you wanted to finish your coat of sale on Erbil, JCPOA.
	Carry on.
	A little bit of ugly business there, which is that somebody in the administration, a senior official, immediately messaged the press saying that it was an attack on Israel.
	So you basically had an American official validating the Iranian propaganda for the attack.
	Wow!
	And they backed off on it.
	Other officials came out and said, no, that's not true.
	But a senior official did say that.
	And I don't think it was an accident myself.
	Explain the motivation for that, if it's not an accident.
	Because they know they're going for the Iran deal.
	They know they're going for it.
	And they don't want this to get in the way.
	And what they're going to start arguing is that Israel's dragging us into war.
	That's the argument that's coming down the pike.
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	Yeah.
	Okay, so let's wrap this segment up with this question.
	With, I'll say this cynically, the distraction of Ukraine, does it make it easier for the Biden administration to push through the new Iran deal?
	Or are the images of the suffering making it harder?
	I think it makes it harder.
	I think it does because, look, one of the things that the Biden administration is doing in order to justify not giving more weaponry We could, with Q9, with Reaper drones, you know, we could take out the entire Russian military.
	This is such a crucial point.
	Don't forget to finish what you wanted to say.
	But people are focusing on no-fly zone, which isn't going to happen.
	They're focusing on this fascinating offer by the Polish to provide MiG-29s so the Ukrainians know how to fly, which will be backfilled by us for Poland in terms of F-16s.
	But with drones, and a lot of Turkish drones have done some amazing jobs for the Ukrainians.
	So this could be a real game changer, couldn't it?
	Yeah, if we provided them, then we could take out the Russian military.
	We could take them off the board.
	They have this huge armada off the coast of Odessa in the Black Sea.
	We could sink it.
	And you'd just have to damage one ship and they would realize that they could lose their entire Marine Corps, basically.
	And the fact that these are unmanned is very different from having... No threat to American life.
	Well, not only that, it's not an act of war in the traditional sense with U.S.
	war fighters in the air above.
	Yeah, but we wouldn't even have U.S.
	war fighters operating the...
	They'd have to be contractors or something like that.
	The administration draws these red lines, you know, it gives these self-imposed restrictions, and it says we can't do that because it'll be World War III because Putin has nuclear weapons, but then they say that on Monday, then on Tuesday they go and under political pressure they do it.
	So clearly it isn't actually going to be a trigger for World War III.
	And your take, your response to the Polish offer of the backfilling?
	We should have done it.
	Of course we should have done it.
	And the fact that it was flip-flopped in a matter of 48 hours.
	But look who they're screwing too.
	The Poles are best allies in Europe, right?
	Toughest, strongest, closest.
	They really fight.
	They are right having the three meter fight with Putin.
	They understand the threat.
	And if there's a shield If there is a champion of Christianity in Europe, it's the Poles.
	Right, right.
	And it's also, they're also one of the, you know, along with Hungary and the Czechs, they were the ones who were annoying the EU the most, right?
	And not only that, they paid their dues in 56, in 68, and in 81.
	The Hungarian Revolution, the Prague Spring, and then of course the martial law, Lech Walesa and Solidarnosc.
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	I assume you speak Hungarian.
	Yeah.
	Fluent?
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	At home.
	I learned English in kindergarten.
	Very hard language.
	The State Department calls it the hardest non-pictographic language because it's not Indo-Germanic, it's not Romance, it's not related to anything.
	It's agglutinative like Turkish, it's connected to Estonian Finnish, but we can't communicate with each other.
	So that's it.
	I really enjoyed going there.
	You saw the House of Terror, right?
	I did, yeah.
	I went there.
	I went to the World War I museum.
	I don't know if you've seen that.
	I think it's a new one.
	No.
	Oh, it's really good.
	Is it in the outskirts?
	No, no.
	No, that it is new, yeah.
	Yeah, they had some kind of exhibit that was part of an event, maybe a centennial or something.
	But I got the Hungarian worldview, you know, the tragedy of World War I. Trianon, Versailles, the great map of Hungary.
	That's not going anywhere.
	But it helped me understand a lot.
	Do you want to hear the video?
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	Two-year-old Yasmin Anayali Perez died this week.
	She was battling illnesses linked to malnutrition.
	Her belly swollen due to water retention.
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	This story is the spitting image of the deep economic crisis that the village of La Pamela is enduring.
	Okay, I'll tee it up.
	And how was your event?
	You went to a conference, right, with John?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It was good.
	Actually, really good.
	A lot of fun.
	How's John doing?
	Really well, as far as I can tell.
	I mean, they're having an amazing influence.
	Oh, yeah?
	Yeah.
	They're just bringing together a lot of very intelligent people.
	It's an interesting network.
	Where did they hold the conference?
	You know, I don't even know where it was.
	Hotel or?
	It was like it was a restaurant.
	Oh.
	Like a conference venue under a restaurant.
	I didn't ask.
	They just said there it is and I went.
	It was nice, really nice.
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	We're back with Mike Duran, former senior director of the National Security Council, former senior officer in the Department of Defense and author of Ike's Gamble, now with the Hudson Institute.
	Mike, I love it how people say this could be the new Cold War.
	This is a real war where people are being shot and buildings are getting bombed, so it's a little bit different from what we witnessed with the proxy wars for 40 years.
	How much of what we're witnessing in just three weeks, with China's involvement, with the sanctions, the modifications across the globe to the energy sector, how much are we seeing a significant geopolitical restructuring?
	That's my fear, is that the Biden administration is not focused on that correctly, or they have the wrong idea.
	As you know, there was this story that they put out, that they went to the Chinese, showed them the intelligence on the Russian buildup, and asked the Chinese for help in restraining Russia, I mean, there's something wrong with this picture.
	So for those who missed it, what Mike is talking about, prior to the invasion, we, the American administration, provided intelligence assessments to China, our greatest adversary, to try and get them to help us.
	Didn't seem to work too well, Mike.
	Yeah, at least they didn't get lost.
	And now what they're doing, I don't know if you saw in the Washington Post today, the Chinese ambassador.
	Yes.
	So they're making noise as if they're not supporting Russia, but of course they are.
	I mean, Russia took all of its best troops out of Asia and brought them to Ukraine.
	If there was any Chinese... They wouldn't have moved them.
	Yeah, they wouldn't have moved them at all.
	And there's all this defense cooperation, space cooperation between the Chinese.
	The Chinese and the Russians are strategic allies.
	Now, the Chinese are making noise like they're not.
	But it's just cover.
	It's just cover.
	Yeah, it's totally cover.
	But on the basis of that, we're going to, I think we're going to bring, I fear I should say, we're going to bring them into the negotiating table.
	The Chinese.
	Yeah.
	Like the Russians are helping us with Iran.
	And we're working with the Chinese on Iran, which is, again, another one of their allies, which they're using to destabilize the Middle East to drive us out.
	I think we're about the same age.
	You're a Cold War baby.
	How old are you?
	51.
	I'm 59.
	Oh my gosh, you wear it well.
	Must be all that relief factor.
	It does well.
	Mike, what does this mean?
	I know it's early.
	I think far too many people say, yes, it's saved and the Germans and everything.
	NATO, NATO's future?
	A lot of hot air at the moment.
	How do you see it?
	Is this the potential for a revivification?
	I think there is a potential.
	The thing that is most amazing is the turnaround of the Germans.
	Yes.
	On Nord Stream 2 and they're talking about increasing their defense budget and so on.
	We'll see if it lasts.
	There were noises like this, not to the same extent, but there were noises like this after 2014 when he first went into Ukraine, Putin.
	And then they reverted to type, you know, which is... With the absence of American leadership, you're back from Budapest, from Central Europe.
	Could the job of revitalizing alliance be in the hands of former Soviet satellite nations like Poland, like Hungary, like the Baltic States?
	Could they be the catalyst?
	They're the backbone.
	They're the backbone.
	And it looks like...
	For the moment, at least.
	I mean, we have to see how it goes.
	Some of these ridiculous tensions between the EU and the Poles are gone now.
	I think there is a lot of respect now throughout all of Europe for the Poles and a recognition of what they're doing.
	And the Ukrainians, of course, as well.
	But within the alliance, the Poles as a frontline state, what they're actually doing for all Europeans.
	And that's a good thing.
	That's a good thing.
	And if somebody else were the Commander-in-Chief here, what is it that Mike Duran would be counseling him to do with the current crisis?
	We're the greatest power on Earth.
	We're the leaders of the West.
	We have to put enough force, enough weaponry into the arms of the Ukrainians To show Putin that he's not going to get what he wants, and he's not going to get a significant benefit from this, and that he's going to be permanently restrained in Ukraine.
	Because I'm concerned that things are not going well for him now, but in the first Chechen war things didn't go well for him.
	No.
	And he turned around and he went and he leveled Grozny in the second.
	He's going to draw lessons from this.
	He has to be deterred.
	So he has to be deterred and he has to be seen to have failed at what he wanted permanently.
	So, and we are the ones who determine the peace.
	Not we with the Chinese.
	We are the ones.
	Oh, that's good.
	So we have to push the Chinese out.
	That's very good.
	But I have to correct you, Mike Duran.
	You said America has the greatest military in the world.
	Clearly you weren't listening to Jen Psaki today, who from the podium said, we have won.
	Of the best militaries in the world.
	Which is why the White House Press Secretary should be qualifying the American military as just one of many.
	That's like when Obama told us from the podium that there was a fatwa from Ayatollah Khomeini against nuclear weapons.
	We know Iran's not building a nuclear weapon because there's a fatwa.
	Because there's a fatwa from that great theological Shia scholar, Barack Hussein Obama.
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	Follow him right now, Duran.
	I made it.
	Can we get you back for an hour?
	That was far too short.
	Yeah, sure.
	All right.
	He's back from Europe.
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	Well, we do have a lot of capacity in public transit, and that's something that I hope becomes a means of choice alongside driving, that people have good options and good affordable options to get to where they need to be.
	Look, we need to make sure that there is less pressure on family budgets from transportation, which is often the second biggest budget item after housing itself.
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	Hey, Dr. Gorka.
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	One, wasn't the buck stops here one of Biden's big campaign promises?
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	Why is this such a big deal for you?
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	All right, so I was thinking as I was preparing, oh, it's good.
	We're going to have a respite.
	From all the Ukrainian insanity, the war coverage, and then we're in the green room.
	And that's all you guys want to talk about because you've got to take, you're going to help me understand some very disturbing things happening on the quote-unquote conservative side.
	But first, let's talk about the big picture news item yesterday.
	To the assembled members of Congress and the Senate, we had Volodymyr Zelensky give a 16-minute speech, closing in English with a sandwich in the middle of an amazing video.
	Give us your reactions.
	Let's start with you, Joe, your take on yesterday's speech and the Biden response.
	Well, it was Reagan-esque in many ways, because here was a great former actor and comedian using all of his skills, including language skills, video skills.
	When he showed the video, it was like Reagan pointing to someone in the gallery or running a video.
	It was just amazing.
	Very well done.
	But when he switched to English, That was a punch to Biden's solar plexus.
	Asking him to, you're a leader, now lead the West.
	In English.
	That was a direct attack on Biden's weakness.
	And of course, to watch him yesterday respond to Zelensky in such a physically weak condition, he could barely speak.
	He was fumbling his words.
	Biden, of course, is who I'm talking about.
	Yes.
	And it was it was actually pathetic.
	Well, so uninspiring because we're giving them 395 and a half revolvers.
	I mean, there was no inspiration.
	And here's Zelensky.
	Could have given the ones that were in Afghanistan if he'd been smart.
	Yeah, that $83 billion worth of equipment would go a long way in Ukraine right now instead of in the hands of the Taliban.
	But here's Zelensky channeling Martin Luther King.
	I have a need.
	I have a need.
	He had a dream, I have a need.
	It was very well done.
	I think Zelensky scored a home run.
	And the reason the White House took so long for the President to speak, I think it was delayed by an hour, is that they rewrote the speech.
	Interesting.
	I think that's credible.
	You know, we were saying that when we were waiting for it, but if that's a rewritten speech... Well, that tells you the quality of the team.
	Pretty pathetic.
	Well, he is surrounded by a group of dumplings.
	I mean, they're just dumplings on a plate.
	I like dumplings.
	So do I. Don't insult dumplings, please, on my show.
	All right.
	I was going to wait a little bit to pull out that conclusion, but let's jump there straight away.
	How does this pan out?
	Because with the F-16 for the MiG-29 backfill, which first the administration said, yes, yes, great idea, Poland.
	Then Poland says, OK, we're going to fly them to Ramstein.
	Where are the F-16s?
	And then the Pentagon says, No, we're not doing it.
	And you actually have Admiral Kirby, a disgrace to the naval uniform, say, well, they wouldn't make much of a difference.
	Really?
	I think President Zelensky thinks it would make a difference to have, you know, a squadron or two of MiGs available to him.
	So talk to us about how this pans out politically in a midterm year.
	Well, first of all, there's the perception of the way this quote-unquote Biden team works and just the rollout of all these ideas, what you just recounted, the incompetence, the contradictions, the one hand not talking to the other hand.
	What you have is incompetent governance coupled with left-wing ideology and that is a disaster.
	But they can't even get their story straight when Poland offers them an off-ramp, really in competence of just a staggering degree.
	I think that's why Kamala went over there, is to work all that out.
	To fix it.
	To fix it with Poland.
	And instead she laughs about refugees.
	I mean, just truly creepy response.
	She is the toxic combination.
	She is a lightweight and a hot dog at the same time.
	And that is dangerous, not only in domestic policy when you're the vice president, but especially in foreign policy.
	Her inability to control her laugh At that news conference in Poland was so disgraceful and such an example of how she's just not ready and never will be.
	But let me ask the obvious question here.
	You're both legal professionals.
	You've been a U.S.
	attorney for Washington, Joe.
	You've worked in the most storied parts of the political establishment.
	I was deputy assistant AG.
	Right.
	And also in the Senate with intelligence.
	Yes.
	Naive question, I guess.
	How is this person the chief prosecutor for California?
	Just looking at the last 12 months, I'd say every single case that had her fingerprints on it should be reinvestigated and opened.
	Well, ask Willie Brown how she got this.
	I know that.
	That's her first leg up into the system, but isn't there a requirement to have a little bit of professionalism if you're dealing with judicial matters?
	See, she's never been a good lawyer.
	She was never a good lawyer, which is why she became a public lawyer.
	She thought she didn't have to do anything if she was a local DA.
	She didn't have to try any cases.
	If she was the Attorney General of the state of California, she could do policy, but she could force cases to be brought.
	And in fact, she was an incompetent.
	She's always been an incompetent.
	And when Willie Brown said to her, take the Attorney General, don't be Vice President.
	Yes.
	That was fabulous advice.
	And she didn't take it.
	She wanted to be Vice President.
	And now she's been disgraced.
	She's been embarrassed.
	Now the mainstream media props her up.
	They say she's, oh, she's doing a fine job.
	They say it's racist and sexist.
	Right.
	Any criticism of her is racist.
	But she's clearly an incompetent.
	Here's an example, and you'll appreciate it, Seb, because we've worked in Ukraine, done some things over in that area, and she says, Ukraine is a country in Europe?
	I mean, it's East Europe.
	You can't even have that concept.
	Let's do, I will now channel, I don't do this often, I will channel the Vice President of the United States, Ukraine.
	is a country in europe it's next to russia which is bigger and russia invaded ukraine and that's bad not a joke guys if you didn't hear it that was her interview for an african-american podcast i guess she has to speak down to african-americans like they're mentally compromised it was just an embarrassment so let me ask you as just american citizens as voters this is the person who will be president
	If he steps down.
	If he croaks.
	Well, no, he doesn't have to because he gave that peculiar interview during the campaign when somebody said, what happens if you have a disagreement with Kamala?
	We played this several times and he said, on camera!
	Well, if we have a policy disagreement between me and Kamala, I'll do what I promised I'd do for Obama, which is I will come up with an ailment.
	Ailment?
	But the President's not supposed to come up with the ailment.
	No, there's a thing called the 25th Amendment.
	When you look at the Democrat amoeba en masse, She's the next one in line.
	And then there's Nancy.
	And then there's Nancy.
	It's frightening.
	She has no constituency, which is why she is the vice president, because she got no votes.
	She won nothing.
	She didn't even make it to Iowa.
	She dropped out.
	Less than 2% in the primaries.
	Just horrible, horrible performance.
	And you just can't make this up how incompetent she is.
	And she demonstrates it every day.
	And that's why her staff has left her.
	You can't work for somebody like that.
	Plus she has a lousy personality.
	She gets angry.
	I haven't heard her throwing anything at anybody like Hillary.
	Like the Senator and Hillary.
	Klobuchar?
	Klobuchar.
	Oh yes, sorry, I forgot.
	Klobuchar and Hillary.
	She's the binder thrower.
	Okay, you can follow her now.
	She has divested herself of Twitter.
	She is on Getter.
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	It was on Tuesday that I did my open the show with a monologue on what I thought was a scurrilous, disgusting, vituperative assault on Mark Levin, which came allegedly from the right, from a conservative account with which came allegedly from the right, from a conservative account with 300,000 followers on Twitter, calling him a deep stater, reading Romney's talking points about the bio labs in
	I asked for your assistance, Joe, and Victoria, In the green room earlier and you helped me so much to convince me that I'm not insane because I remember not too long ago, yes I'm a child of the Cold War, but I remember when all conservatives hated KGB colonels
	And now we have people on social media and elsewhere saying Russia was provoked, Ukraine's the problem, and the World Economic Forum, this, Karl Schwab, that, Biolabs over here.
	Has the world gone insane, Joe?
	Yes.
	That's the first part of the answer.
	My position on listening to all these people who seem to have gone weird over this issue is I ignore them.
	I don't care what they think.
	I'm analyzing Ukraine as it is.
	You gave a very succinct summary of the problem in Ukraine.
	Will you do it again?
	Well, Russia invaded Ukraine.
	Ukraine is fighting back.
	We're supposed to help them, and we can.
	Now, that doesn't mean we put boots on the ground, but we give them everything we can and we help them.
	There is one aggressor here, and it's not Zelensky.
	Well, there's been no evidence.
	I mean, this nonsense about him attacking them and going with all these irregular forces, that's all nonsense.
	We know that just from reading newspapers.
	You don't have to be an intelligence guru to figure this out.
	It's very simple.
	So, all of these other reactions from so-called conservatives about why the Ukraine caused this, first of all, I have no idea what they're talking about, and I'm not going to waste any time trying to figure it out.
	Yes, but see, I don't know.
	You don't do Twitter or Gitter or anything.
	So he's a wise man.
	He is a wise man.
	And I like this, ignore it.
	But Victoria, my issue is this does damage to the conservative brand.
	So what's your response?
	I don't know.
	I look at these responses.
	I don't know if they're conservative or robots that are...
	We're seeing this from, you mentioned it, Madison Cawthorn and others, we're seeing actual elected members with a letter R behind them doing this 1920s proto-Buchananite isolationism with a conspiratorial twist because, let me just unburden myself once more, Even if, let's say, this thing is real.
	I know there are bio labs there.
	Guess what?
	They're Soviet ones.
	Ukraine inherited.
	And we put money in them.
	Why?
	Because it might be useful to know what the Soviets were illegally developing in those bioweapons labs.
	For defensive purposes.
	But say the most outré theory is right.
	We were funding labs to develop bioweapons in Ukraine.
	Did people forget that we had nuclear weapons pointing to Moscow for 40 years?
	Was that good and now this is bad?
	Don't we have labs here?
	We do!
	Of course we have bio-defense labs.
	Every nation is permitted to have them.
	I didn't understand the issue.
	Has anybody ever heard of Fort Detrick?
	Bingo!
	I didn't think Victoria Nuland did a very good job of explaining.
	No, but why would she?
	She's more busy blackmailing Ukrainian governments, right?
	Yes, yes.
	She is the worst.
	That would be true.
	She is the worst deep stater of all.
	But it was a really bad explanation because when she was through I had no idea what she was talking about.
	And that's exactly what she wanted.
	I'm not sure that's what she wanted.
	I think she has no idea what she's talking about.
	It's probably a combination of both.
	I don't think she knows anything about biological weapons.
	I concur.
	Okay, so is there an explanation?
	Do we know the root of this insanity on our side?
	Because I know some of them are trolls, some are fake, but some of these people are I told you the meme that I was receiving, which is, you don't know what you're talking about, the same people who rigged the election, meaning the Liberal Democrats, are the same people who are telling you to back Ukraine.
	And I'm going, what?
	What?
	It is bizarro world.
	It's irrational.
	It simply doesn't make any sense.
	And while it's interesting to try and figure out why they're doing it, it really is basically a waste of time because they're going down a road that they may not be able to come back from because it really is schizophrenic.
	Does the party or President Trump not have to address it or diffuse it in some way?
	I want to fight it because for me, as a child of those who were oppressed by communists, I'm not going to have anybody call Putin a hero and I will work on that day and day.
	Here's the way the media works though.
	Trump said Putin was smart.
	Which it was!
	He is.
	You can be evil and smart at the same time.
	Exactly!
	And sometimes, you know, Trump doesn't realize what he's saying, and he will just say he's smart, and then there's nuances all around.
	Right.
	There's no modifier.
	He's evil and smart, or whatever.
	They usually say it all in the same sentence, so... They'll edit him anyway, but yes.
	So, he got banged on for a long time, even during the Russian hoax.
	Well, he says Putin's smart and he likes Putin and he can get along with him.
	Well, Bush said that, he could get along.
	Remember the reset button that Hillary did?
	No, no, no.
	Remember Bush saying, I looked into his eyes and I saw his soul.
	I'm sure it was on fire.
	He saw his soul.
	Cheney said, I looked in his eyes and saw a KGB agent.
	But, but Hillary reset with Russia, so it was fine with them.
	You mean overcharge?
	Overcharge.
	The mistranslated.
	I didn't get into the long story.
	Another example of great staff work.
	Yes, indeed.
	Isn't this the reality that we are dealing with devious, I mean you look at the Russia hoax, devious people, but also in their arrogance also some very stupid people.
	I mean, it wouldn't be hard to find the word for reset for me, and I haven't spoken Russian for 20 years, since I was in the army.
	So it is a dangerous cocktail of ignorant and arrogant, no?
	And it's a pretty basic word, it's not nuanced.
	Right.
	Lightweight and a hotdog.
	There is a theme here, lightweight and a hot dog.
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	I want to talk a lot about Barr, about Durham.
	Let's spend just a couple of minutes On the importance of the January 6 detainees still.
	One of them committed suicide a couple of weeks ago because of the, I guess, psychological trauma induced.
	Because they were shunned.
	I mean, this isn't just you got to deal with the process of the criminal prosecution.
	This is people shun you and won't talk to you.
	It's very frightening.
	Is there anything that can be done?
	How do we address, yes we need to have elections, yes we need to have an executive in Republican hands, but is the rot, and as a former US attorney for DC, can the rot be excised in the judicial system in a city that 94% voted for Hilary Joe?
	Well, the conduct of the January 6th investigations by the Justice Department is truly disgraceful.
	The overreach, the overcharging, the vindictive nature of the response of the prosecution is very disturbing to anybody who's ever run a large United States Attorney's Office.
	And the language that the government has been using in courts and in pleadings is really disgraceful.
	Now, the answer to that is a new administration, a new Attorney General.
	It's going to be a very difficult job.
	Hearings, hearings.
	Well, that should be the first thing, if and when the Republicans take over the House and Senate and then have hearings on all of this.
	But remember, they'll be calling Biden people into hearings pending the 2024 election.
	So they're not going to cooperate.
	The Biden people are going to not answer questions.
	But that doesn't matter.
	It's important to have the hearings and to go through the process.
	But the only way to change this is to have a new president.
	And because what Biden has brought in and into the Justice Department is really disgraceful.
	But this started under Obama.
	I mean, the DOJ became one of the most, as far as I'm concerned, as a former presidential appointee, one of the Most corrupt agencies or departments we have.
	As somebody who has been a special prosecutor, who's worked in the DOJ, who's worked in this system, yes, a president is essential.
	But how would you change the culture of the building at Main State, at Main DOJ?
	You need eight years to do it.
	You can't do it in a single administration.
	If Trump had been reelected, it would have been They could have had a way to get through this, but you have to do this over an eight-year period.
	It's hiring.
	It's reassigning people.
	It's changing policy.
	And it requires a very strong person who knows the Department of Justice.
	Bill Barr actually did that.
	He knew.
	Well, he was an AG previously.
	Yes, and he knew, and he was getting there, and unfortunately he didn't get to stay because Trump didn't win.
	And the process is, though, it takes two terms to clean the place out, and it has become a partisan bastion.
	It no longer reflects what we always thought was the neutral and detached administration of justice.
	It's very partisan.
	And I must say, I am so disappointed in Merrick Garland, who was always a very moderate appellate court judge, and he has become a radical, a radical leftist.
	I think he's just a meat puppet.
	He just sits there while, you know, people like Lisa DeMonaco actually run the DOJ.
	Well, I think that's true.
	In a puff piece that the Washington Post did on Merrick Garland this week, it said that Merrick has finally come in and gotten the politics out.
	of the Department of Justice and had to undo what Bill Barr did because he would go after people who he said were pursuing political agendas.
	Because he wasn't going after parents at school board meetings as terrorists.
	That was the problem, right?
	So what would you do?
	You've worked on Capitol Hill.
	You understand the system.
	What would Victoria do with DOJ?
	Well, first of all, if I am in the House or the Senate, you have to have hearings.
	You know these dumb Republicans in the last administration.
	send a note to I won't say who it was but he's a pretty high person in in the house uh and and say don't you know how to spell subpoena and he would get back to me and say uh well you ought to tell Paul how to how to do it yeah you know that that's what was happening and Trey Gowdy.
	Trey Gowdy's a fake is a fraud but but even if we had subpoena the power, even if we control the House and the Senate.
	Do those investigations make a difference?
	I'll tell you one thing.
	In the January 6th investigation, it makes a difference.
	We cannot get the information now about how many undercover FBI informants, however they had the relationship, and you know the CI whatever, runs the gamut.
	How many were there and what did they do?
	Yeah, at the moment we have, you know, officials from the Department of Justice or the FBI saying they can't answer that question or they don't know.
	They do know.
	Yeah, of course they do.
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	And I told him that all this stuff was bull****.
	and about election fraud.
	And, uh, you know, it was wrong to be shoveling it out the way his team was.
	And he started asking me about different theories and I had the answers.
	I was able to tell him, this is wrong because of this.
	Well that's strange.
	That's an interview that the former Attorney General gave to NBC recently from his book, which I guess you only get if you're a member of the lying legacy media, on how he warned the president it's all BS, it's all rubbish, the election was fine.
	Which is strange because somebody who sounds a lot like Bill Barr back in 2020 said this on CNN.
	Well, we haven't had the kind of widespread use of mail-in ballots that's being proposed.
	We've had absentee ballots from people who request them from a specific address.
	Now what we're talking about is mailing them to everyone on the voter list when everyone knows those voter lists are inaccurate.
	People who should get them don't get them, which has been one of the major complaints in states that have tried this in municipal elections.
	And people who get them are not the right people.
	They're people who have replaced the previous occupant, and they can make them out.
	And sometimes multiple ballots come to the same address with several generations of occupants.
	Do you think that's a way to run a vote?
	So which one was lying, Joe?
	Was it the bar of this week or the bar from two years ago who said, this is a disaster!
	This election will be stolen!
	I actually don't understand Bill's position on this because he's a very bright guy and he knows that there were constitutional and legal infirmities in the 2020 election.
	That governors and secretaries of state did things that were unconstitutional that only state legislatures could do.
	That state legislatures ignored their responsibilities and let things happen that should not have happened.
	So I think he probably is separating himself from Trump just for his own need.
	But that's swamp creature-y.
	That is the ultimate swamp creature-y.
	So the Bill Barr that we knew was the Bill Barr that you just played.
	The 2020 cut.
	Yes, I call the male outback.
	Plus the one who said during his confirmation hearings, yes, the president was spied on.
	Now, you know, that's pretty heavy duty stuff.
	And I know you have a relationship with him, but the two cuts I showed are demonstrable proof that this is not an honorable man.
	Either he says, I was wrong in 2020, or I'm wrong now.
	But those two cuts cannot come from the same person with honor.
	The only thing that I can figure out is that he and Trump clashed so much that it was just not repairable.
	But who cares about that?
	What did you use?
	This very diplomatic phrase that the election was not fragile.
	What did you call it?
	Infirmities.
	Legal infirmities.
	He's such a pro.
	Either it had legal infirmities, meaning it was a double amputee, or it was absolutely fine.
	It's called BS, which is what he said.
	BS this week.
	I would not have used Bill's description that he gave during his interviews with NBC about the election.
	I have no idea.
	You mean the new ones?
	The new interviews?
	I have no idea what he told the president and what he knew to be the fact.
	But the truth is, there were massive irregularities in this election.
	And by the way, Joe and I know this because we worked on it.
	No, I know!
	You were heroes!
	Now whether or not you want to call that fraud, which we don't, I don't call that fraud.
	I say there were constitutional and legal irregularities.
	I'm not the lawyer and I wasn't fighting like you were, but let me give you my tuppence as somebody who's seen the evidence that's been collected by my colleague Dinesh D'Souza.
	I've seen the geolocating evidence and the CCTV footage from the municipal buildings where the drop boxes were put in these states where ballot harvesting is illegal, like in Georgia.
	So the first thing, you said this legal infirmities.
	Absolutely right.
	When you have governors and secretaries of state ride roughshod over not just the U.S. Constitution but state constitutions like Pennsylvania that are clear that it is only the legislature that can make substantive changes to how an election is run, that's not fraud per se, but it's unconstitutional, I would say.
	And Kemp in Georgia making a deal with Stacey Abrams to do mail-out ballots.
	But then on the other question of when I'm shown just five weeks ago and they filmed our reaction, me, Dennis Prager, Charlie Kirk sitting in a room having the geolocation data from the phones of the ballot harvesters in states that are illegal to ballot harvest in and showing them on CCTV footage at 3 a.m.
	in the morning of the election.
	Just stuffing the drop boxes with dozens, with scores of ballots.
	That's not infirmities of the Constitution.
	That's a crime.
	I think Bill is painting with too broad a brush in his criticism of Trump and Trump's criticism of the election.
	When you have mail-in ballots that are sent to everybody, that is the worst way to conduct an election.
	It's a recipe.
	That's what James Baker and Jimmy Carter said would undo democracy.
	They said that mail-in ballots are the way to vote that is most prone to fraud.
	That's their word.
	And in fact, they are right about that.
	The drop boxes are ridiculous.
	Ballot harvesting should be illegal everywhere.
	There's no way you should be able to harvest ballots.
	We're now finding out about the nursing home irregularities in Wisconsin.
	Now, everybody thought Wisconsin was going to be a joke, but the truth is the election investigator, the special prosecutor, had written an amazing report about the illegalities that went on in Wisconsin.
	And he says they were substantial.
	We're talking about Maybe, you know, tens of thousands of votes in elections that were determined by a very small margin.
	It was under 20,000, I think.
	So it is not, it is not, you know, I disagree with Bill about what, you know, and again, I think Victoria's got it right.
	I think Bill just had enough of Trump and he's just wants to But if you're an Attorney General twice over, you don't have that option because it wasn't a one-time thing.
	This is an election that has to occur with regularity in America.
	So you made a statement two years ago, now you say it's garbage.
	Well, what happens to the future of our Republic?
	Let me just tell you how we looked at this.
	Because as we went around to those key states, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, We found that the state legislatures were so ignorant.
	And so lacking.
	He's a Republican.
	Right, they didn't know what their responsibilities were.
	They didn't know what their power was under the Constitution.
	You know what we would say to them?
	Call a special session.
	And they would say, well, we've got to get the governor to do it.
	No, you don't.
	That's not what the Constitution says.
	And even these states, like Pennsylvania, traded no-down ballot voting for the Republicans, oh yeah, for mail-out, I call them, mail-out ballots.
	And I said, why did you do that?
	Well, that's what the governor wanted, and he would only sign the legislation.
	Wrong, wrong, wrong.
	And I say, why are you having a governor sign legislation about federal elections?
	And they don't even understand that concept.
	Question is, have they learnt anything in the time since the election?
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	So, we need to get you guys back because it's been far too long and because this hour has just flown by.
	But I have to ask because I think most of our millions of listeners will be Angry at me if I don't ask the question.
	Oh, first things first.
	Haven't noted.
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	Durham.
	Every week it seems like something dribbles out, some stupid statement by Sussman.
	Is it Sussman?
	Mark Elias, Sussman, all of the old Perkins Cooey crew.
	So something's happening, something's moving along, but there's never a document that talks about a senior FBI official, a cabinet member, a senior DOJ.
	Should we be cynical at this point?
	No, I just think that what Durham has done is he's taken the worst possible situation that a prosecutor can get, which is...
	The investigation is being asked to be done too late.
	Yeah.
	And this should have been done immediately, but it couldn't be because of who was running the department and who was running the FBI.
	Jeff Sessions, just to remind people.
	And so the bottom line is he was given a horrible job to do, he's doing a superb job, and he's now bringing his cases.
	And what he has outlined is a massive conspiracy involving people in the government, people outside the government, people in the Clinton And private individuals with contracts to control the classified data system of the White House.
	Victoria, somebody said to me that what Durham's doing is he's being cautious and he doesn't want to drop the hammer unless the Republicans win in November.
	Is that too cynical?
	I think the last sentence is cynical.
	But I think he is cautious.
	That's just his personality.
	He doesn't have flair.
	And he's methodical and thorough.
	He doesn't have to.
	But will he allow the paper trail to go where it needs to go?
	Yeah, I think he has no problem with that.
	I don't think the election has any bearing.
	Just so everybody understands, people say, well, there's statute of limitations.
	This is a massive conspiracy.
	And the statute of limitations on a conspiracy does not begin the run until the last act in the conspiracy is committed, which could have been last week.
	Because let's say that somebody gives a statement to the New York Times that what's Durham doing is this, that, and the other thing.
	If they're part of that original conspiracy, those statements can be viewed as obstructive in nature and can start the statute of limitations running all over again.
	Well, that makes me feel much better.
	Follow them on Getter at Vic Tunsing.
	That's T-O-E-N-S-I-N-G.
	That's another reason why we should have them in the studio more often, just to recharge my cynical batteries.
	And don't forget, it is the National Report every Monday on Newsmax 11 to 12 Eastern.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	You've been listening to America First one-on-one.
	Wherever you are, keep your head on a swivel, watch your six, hold the line, never give up,

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