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Feb. 14, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: John Durham's bombshell accusation

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	I want to get into the White House, the President of the United States Internet activity, and this tech executive was able to do that.
	What does that tell us about the national security of this country?
	What does that tell us of the power of the Clinton machine enabling to take down her political enemy for four years straight and damage his reputation?
	Sure.
	She lost the election, but this is so much bigger.
	This is the biggest scandal we have ever seen.
	Now we know for sure.
	They tried to cheat in the 2016 election.
	They tried to cheat in the 2020 election behind the guise of COVID.
	That is, of course, the unmistakable Maria Bartiromo talking about the story they tried to drop on the Friday before Super Bowl.
	We will be discussing it with you for the next three hours.
	And our special guest, this is America First.
	And you're listening to the Salem Radio Network with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist of President Trump and currently member of the National Security Education Board of the Pentagon.
	I have in front of me the new document from the Durham probe into the sources, the genesis of the Russia collusion hoax.
	It is a continuation of the indictment of Michael Sussman, the lawyer Who is working for the Clinton campaign, former DOJ lawyer of course, and it is a motion concerning a conflict of interest for the lawyer's firm that is representing Mr. Sussman.
	Sounds pretty technical, pretty boring.
	But buried in this multi-page letter or document, memorandum to the court, criminal case number 21582CRC, United States of America versus Michael Sussman, is the following passage on the second page.
	Factual background.
	The defendant, Michael Sussman, is charged in a one-count indictment with making a materially false statement to the FBI.
	Now, what was that statement?
	What did he tell the FBI?
	He said that he had proof That the Trump Organization was electronically connected to a certain Russian bank.
	However, what he failed to divulge to the FBI, that these allegations were being made on behalf of his client.
	Sussman represented himself as just an interested citizen doing the right thing.
	And his clients were, number one, a technology executive, called by the DOJ, tech executive number one, and the Clinton campaign.
	Michael Sussman was peddling allegations, fabricated allegations, on behalf of his clients, a tech executive and the Clinton campaign.
	The shocking new bombshell that now makes Watergate an irrelevance.
	Don't ever talk to me about Watergate again, because as of this document being filed in court in DC on Friday, I don't really give a damn.
	Section 5.
	The government's evidence at trial We'll establish that amongst the Internet Data Tech Executive One and his associates, there was an exploitation of domain name system Internet traffic pertaining to, so that's kind of technical, you know, lingo.
	They were using the Internet to penetrate, number one, the following targets.
	A particular health care provider.
	At the moment, I have no idea why the Clinton campaign's lawyer and this tech company were interested in a particular health care provider.
	But here are the other cyber targets.
	Number two, Trump Tower.
	Trump Tower, the headquarters of the Trump Organization.
	Trump Tower, which was also the headquarters For the Trump campaign.
	Number three, Donald Trump's Central Park West apartment building.
	This tech executives company was targeting the home of Donald Trump, not just his offices, the headquarters of his company and his presidential campaign headquarters, but where he went to sleep at night.
	And then the most important of all,
	Using Washington lingo, Washington terminology, this internet cyber company and their tech executive that hired Michael Sussman along with Hillary Clinton to fabricate false Russia collusion allegations against President Trump also targeted the executive office of the President of the United States, the E.O.P.
	Now if you don't live and work in DC, you may think that's just some vanilla term for some grey office buildings somewhere near the White House.
	It's not.
	The Executive Office of the President is the White House.
	There you have it.
	It's the smoking gun.
	President Trump told us a long time ago on 60 Minutes.
	In fact, let's play that cut with Leslie Stahl.
	He told us what happened to his campaign.
	Cut one.
	The biggest scandal was when they spied on my campaign.
	They spied on my campaign, Leslie.
	There's no real evidence of that.
	Of course there is.
	It's all over the place.
	Leslie, they spied on my campaign and they got caught.
	Sir, can I say something?
	You know, this is 60 Minutes.
	And we can't put on things we can't verify.
	No, you won't put it on because it's bad for Biden.
	We can't put on things we can't verify.
	Leslie, they spied on my campaign.
	Well, we can't verify that.
	It's been totally verified.
	No.
	Just go down and get the papers.
	They spied on my campaign.
	They got caught.
	No.
	And then they went much further than that and they got caught.
	And you will see that, Leslie.
	And you know that, but you just don't want to put it on the air.
	No.
	As a matter of fact, I don't know that.
	Well, here we have it.
	Here's the evidence.
	John Durham doesn't work for the Republican Party.
	He doesn't work for Donald Trump.
	He's a special counsel, former U.S.
	Attorney for the state of Connecticut.
	I mean, there's so much out there.
	From Operation Crossfire Hurricane, the first time ever, three intelligence agencies targeted a United States citizen for political purposes, General Mike Flynn.
	There's the targeting of Carter Page, an individual who'd worked with the FBI to catch Russian spies.
	There's the targeting of George Papadopoulos with a potential honey trap named Azra Turk, which is a pseudonym who presented herself as an FBI researcher in a London restaurant to try and inveigle her way into the Trump campaign.
	These are just aspects.
	Of the many, many sided deep state assaults on the Trump campaign.
	A man who could not be allowed to win in 2016.
	But now we have the following.
	Clearly, John Durham has evidence that the people behind the Russia collusion hoax, the Steele dossier, We're in fact also surveilling, not just the campaign, but the White House after President Trump won, after we moved in.
	The individual chosen by more than 63 million Americans was surveilled.
	So don't talk to me about Watergate.
	A bungled break-in?
	This is espionage against the man chosen by more than 63 million Americans.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First on the Salem Radio Network.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, make sure you subscribe to the podcast right now so you never miss a moment.
	Go to Spotify, look for my name, Sebastian Gorka, America First.
	Go to Spotify, look look for my name, Sebastian Gorka, America First.
	Oh.
	Absolutely.
	Why would you tell the date?
	Yeah, that's right.
	That's kind of sad.
	I don't know.
	It's stupid.
	Let me hear.
	Cut three.
	See, when we won in 06 and 08, we were left to our own devices, just us kids.
	We didn't have a Democrat in the White House.
	Now we do, so we're even stronger in the ability to win.
	And who is more empathetic than Joe Biden?
	Who has a bigger vision, more knowledge, more strategic thinking about all this, more authenticity in associating with America's working families?
	Madam Speaker, thanks for your time this morning.
	Onward to a great Democratic victory.
	Thank you.
	She sounds like she's barely conscious.
	Us kids in 08, she was like 70 then.
	Give me cut 5.
	The conspiracy theory, the misinformation came from Adam Schiff, the Democrats in the mainstream press.
	Remember what Schiff said, there is more than circumstantial evidence that President Trump worked with the Russians.
	That was false.
	Completely false.
	The media reported it.
	It's proven to be false.
	But I tell you what, there is certainly now more than circumstantial evidence that the Democrats and the FBI and the Clinton campaign spied on President Trump's campaign.
	So yeah, the country sees it.
	It seems like everything they call us for on misinformation and quote conspiracy theory actually turns out to be true and they're the ones peddling the false narratives all the time.
	Is he calling us?
	Look, I'm not going to predict what Vladimir Putin is going to do.
	All I can do is make sure that we're prepared to respond either way.
	If Russia wants to continue engaging diplomatically to find a way forward to address their security concerns and our security concerns, we're prepared to do that.
	If Russia decides instead to take major military action against Ukraine, we're prepared to respond decisively.
	Hello, Mr. Hoffman, can you hear us?
	I can.
	I don't know.
	Let's see if I can hook these into the computer somehow, alright?
	Give me a second.
	I can't do these.
	um i don't know let's see if i can hook these into the computer somehow all right give me a second sure and just let any of the mics are live on our video live streams no i can't do these um yeah i don't know that i have um what you need um do you want to call me back i I mean, I guess I could use my phone for this.
	Do we have an echo now?
	I don't think so.
	No, we're good.
	OK, we're good.
	All right.
	Hey, will you just say something again, Dan?
	Yep.
	I love Sebastian Gorka.
	It's official.
	Happy Valentine's Day, my Valentine.
	OK, good.
	This sounds good.
	Sounds good.
	40 seconds.
	Two segments.
	Have you written a book yet that I can promote?
	Not written, but I am writing it.
	Good!
	Good.
	Let's see how it goes.
	Have you got a publisher?
	Yes.
	Have you got a publisher?
	No.
	He's going naked.
	He's stripping on live radio.
	25 seconds.
	All right.
	Standby.
	20 seconds.
	Standby.
	Come in with Sullivan.
	Cut eight.
	Which cut is that?
	Cut eight.
	Come in with cut eight.
	Stand by.
	Stand by.
	This is America First, and here's your host, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Look, I'm not going to predict what Vladimir Putin is going to do.
	All I can do is make sure that we're prepared to respond either way.
	If Russia wants to continue engaging diplomatically to find a way forward to address their security concerns and our security concerns, we're prepared to do that.
	If Russia decides instead to take major military action against Ukraine, we're prepared to respond decisively.
	That's Jake Sullivan, sadly the current National Security Advisor, saying that this administration will not predict what Vladimir Putin is about to do, which is strange, because about 15 minutes ago, that's exactly what his colleague Ned Price at the State Department did, where he said, we are pulling our personnel out of Kiev, we are relocating the U.S.
	Embassy, and the expectation is, and I'm quoting, that the invasion of Ukrainian territory again will occur on Wednesday.
	Let's cut to the truth.
	Let's take politics out of it.
	Let's talk to a man who's actually been the station chief in Moscow.
	We are so delighted to have him back with us here on America First.
	Daniel Hoffman.
	Welcome back to the Salem Radio Network.
	Thanks a lot.
	Great to be here.
	All right.
	Let's start in reverse.
	I want to talk about why Ukraine matters, why Vladimir Putin cares about it.
	But if you look at the latest news about U.S.
	personnel, the increase of activity amongst the 130,000 Russians arrayed along the Ukrainian border, What is your if you were giving a threat briefing in your old job back at Langley?
	What would your expectation be for the next few days in that part of the world Daniel?
	So I'm gonna tell you what I would say if I was still at the CIA, but I think to To our viewers this may sound a little bit counterintuitive Vladimir Putin has a hundred thirty thousand troops right now ready to go on the border of Ukraine.
	He's got a The Black Sea, fully militarized with 11 amphibious ships and submarines.
	He could certainly launch an invasion.
	That would be extraordinarily costly in terms of spilled blood and treasure.
	But what I think he's doing, to paraphrase Sun Tzu, is he's trying to subdue the enemy, and that's the United States and Ukraine, without firing a shot.
	He could have gone in.
	He's had multiple opportunities to do that.
	And we have to ask ourselves, why the delay?
	He masked troops against Ukraine.
	Way back in April and he got a summit out of that with President Biden.
	Just today, his foreign minister Lavrov was meeting with Vladimir Putin and Putin told him to continue negotiating.
	So there must be some expectation that Vladimir Putin can hoodwink us and already we've made concessions.
	We have withdrawn our military advisors from Ukraine.
	The OSCE mission responsible for monitoring the ongoing conflict in Eastern Ukraine has departed.
	We've offered Russia The opportunity to inspect our Aegis air defense systems in Poland and Romania.
	We're listening to them and some of our politicians like Bernie Sanders, Senator Sanders is even suggesting that it's okay to give Russia a sphere of influence.
	Not to mention that the cracks in the NATO alliance we're seeing where Germany is certainly more client and President Macron has been kind of freestyling in meetings with Putin.
	I think that the most stalwart members of NATO are the Baltic states, which I know quite well from having lived there.
	Providing stingers and javelins and getting up on their bully pulpit and calling out Russia for their aggressive threats to Ukraine's territorial integrity.
	Now, I won't rule out that Russia won't make this a hot war and the Biden administration has some kind of understandable kind of PTSD, political PTSD from their chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, where the president said he wouldn't leave anyone behind, but we did.
	And not only that, but It's a terrorist state now with large swaths of ungoverned space where we don't have the ability to detect the threats, nor do we have the ability to preempt them before they're visited on our shores.
	So those are kind of my initial thoughts there.
	It's the Kremlin, so it's probably unclear what the final decision is.
	Can you help us as somebody who's worked behind enemy lines in one of the primary intelligence targets of the world, who knows the states such as the Balts that feel really on the cusp of invasion and loss of territory yet again.
	How do we navigate the strategic culture of what the Kremlin wants?
	Because on the one hand, we're told the prize, the apple of the eye of this former KGB colonel is to get some kind of commitment, which As a republic, we should never give, as a free nation, that Ukraine will never ever be allowed into NATO.
	We are told that's what he really wants.
	But on the flip side, we have the mythical, we have the historic significance of Kiev, the heart of the proto-Rus nation.
	So does he want that territory?
	Does he want to be able to say, that is mine, it's under my control?
	Or does he want a diplomatic victory?
	Or are we Is it both?
	What is it, Dan?
	So first of all, here's why Ukraine is in Russia's crosshairs.
	Nothing threatens Vladimir Putin more than democracy.
	Yeah.
	Especially in a country like Ukraine on his border with a sizable Russian-speaking population.
	They want freedom, liberty and democracy and all that goes along with it.
	And Vladimir Putin won't let that happen.
	So he's got a three-pronged assault on Ukraine.
	The first is economic.
	That's why he launched The NotPetya attack, which made Ukraine a not very hospitable place for commerce.
	We're seeing capital flight from Ukraine right now like never before.
	Secondly, is to destabilize Ukraine politically.
	President Zelensky, his poll numbers have dipped lower than ever based on this crisis that he is not really well prepared to handle, given his background.
	And Vladimir Putin is set to interfere in Ukraine's elections.
	If you think we had a problem in the United States with Russia interfering in our elections, Putin has consistently done that in Ukraine.
	He's got 2023 parliamentary elections, 2024 presidential elections in Ukraine.
	He wants someone like his former stooge, Yanukovych, to emerge as the leader of Ukraine.
	And then the third thing Putin wants is veto power, kind of the old Brezhnev doctrine, veto power over Ukraine's foreign policy.
	And so NATO is a fig leaf.
	Everyone knows, Vladimir Putin included, that Ukraine is not going to join NATO anytime soon.
	It takes unanimous consent.
	And we know the French and the Germans are not going to vote in favor of Ukraine's NATO membership.
	That just isn't going to happen.
	But Putin knows that's a convenient fig leaf for him and an opportunity for him to mount a full-throttled propaganda assault on NATO, which embodies what threatens him most, liberty, freedom, and democracy.
	It's a defensive alliance.
	It poses no threat to Russia.
	And let's just remember that, as you pointed out, Russia is the one.
	They invaded Georgia.
	In 2008, they invaded Ukraine, annexed Crimea.
	They launched massive cyber attack on Estonia in 2007.
	They've used banned chemical nerve agents to try to kill Putin's opponents.
	Used polonium-210 to kill a former FSB officer in the UK.
	I mean, the list goes on.
	Downing a Malaysian airliner.
	They are a rogue state.
	And that's the challenge for us.
	Whether Putin needs to fire his weapons to achieve his goals, that three-pronged assault on Ukraine or not, I guarantee you he'd rather not.
	He'd rather extort us.
	And I think that's one of the reasons why in my reading of this is that the Biden administration has kind of outsourced their diplomacy to just declassifying intelligence and as if they think that By declassifying intelligence, they're influencing Vladimir Putin.
	I can tell you they're not.
	The declassification of intelligence doesn't give you a strategy.
	We're talking to Daniel Hoffman, formerly with the CIA, following him right now.
	Daniel Hoffman, DC.
	This is America First.
	We'll be back with Daniel in a moment.
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	Okay, mic's back on.
	Alright, my mics are still on the video feed, Dan.
	Three and a half minutes.
	So tell me, tell me about the book.
	Is it autobiographical?
	What is it?
	It's intertwining like the CIA mission, some good CIA stories with fighting cancer and not winning.
	And then we'll see what the kind of the second half of it looks like.
	But You know, I'm in the middle of it.
	I've written about 80 pages of it.
	I might need a... I might need to come to you with your ideas about editor and... Do you have a publisher?
	Not yet.
	Can I connect you with mine?
	Sure, that'd be great.
	I'd love that.
	Yeah, happy to.
	Happy to.
	Superb.
	All three of my books, I did with them.
	They'll definitely take your call.
	Okay.
	How are the boys?
	They're good, thank you.
	Thank God for school, you know?
	I mean, I'm okay as a teacher.
	I went to public school.
	I did all right.
	But, you know, there's actually real professionals who know how to do this.
	Are you good at science?
	Can you teach math?
	Yeah.
	Geez, English, math, all those.
	I mean, I did it last year with my, you know, my older son was good about studying on his own.
	My younger son needed to be parodied, so I was with him all the time.
	But, man, you know, tough.
	We have to meet in person again.
	Yes, I look forward to it.
	Two minutes.
	Looks like Sarah's having fun in Canada with all the truckers.
	Oh, nice.
	Yeah.
	You know, I put out a piece about Enos Cantor freedom.
	I should send it to you.
	Please.
	He was supposed to be on my Newsmax show last week, but he was in training.
	Yeah.
	So, um, Yeah, I kind of exposed the hypocrisy of the NBA.
	And I'm from Boston.
	I hate LeBron James.
	So I enjoyed taking him to task for his moronic comments about China.
	Good.
	I'll send you that.
	Was that for Fox?
	That was for the Washington Times.
	OK, good.
	Yeah.
	I just have two flags in my glory room.
	He's got four.
	Look, he's got four flags on his shelves.
	No, three.
	Three and some, uh... Oh gosh, yeah, this is funny.
	Right, I didn't realize.
	Normally I'm doing this... This is where my studio is, but of course that's just a blank screen behind me.
	This is... I still haven't put my house in order, but, uh, yeah.
	Bunch of stuff behind me.
	Standby.
	Fifty seconds.
	Okay.
	All right, we've got merch.
	Oh, can you find that cut from, um...
	What's his name?
	The AP guy at the state last week?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, with Ned.
	Oh, yeah, the arguing.
	With the whole thing?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Have you got it handy, Eric?
	No, I don't.
	We didn't.
	Matt, what's his face?
	Matt Lee.
	Like, we didn't have a cut of it before.
	We did.
	We did?
	Wait, when?
	I'll get it right now.
	Hang on, yeah, find it.
	When do you want it for?
	Now.
	Can you find it now?
	Uh, give me... Middle of the second.
	Okay, 15 seconds to back.
	Thank you.
	Portions of America First are brought to you in part by Stand With Israel Tour.
	We were chatting in the break with our guest.
	Very excited.
	Finally, after nudging him, nudging him for a couple of years, he is writing his first book.
	So excited.
	Former CIA station chief.
	A man who Give us the professional view of how you deal with bad guys like Vladimir Putin.
	Follow Daniel Hoffman right now.
	Daniel Hoffman DC.
	I'm often asked because, you know, people who don't live in our worlds say, OK, what should we do now?
	Does Ukraine matter?
	We don't want any dumb wars.
	And my answer is, you know, the trouble is you can't do anything about it now with the person you've selected as president.
	There's a reason that This didn't happen under the Trump administration and there's a reason it's happening now.
	If you could replace the president, if you could magically change the administration, what would be the proper response to what we are witnessing?
	What does Vladimir Putin understand, Daniel Hoffman?
	Well, first of all, I'm sorry to say we've missed that opportunity.
	You know, I think Vladimir Putin looked at the United States and he saw like three things really that stood out for me.
	First of all, our chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan.
	If we wouldn't leave a few thousand troops there to prevent Afghanistan from morphing into the terrorist state that it is today, we were probably not going to stand up for Ukraine.
	Secondly, you know, Putin knows he's kind of injected a virus into our political process.
	He knows that our We often have a hard time finding common ground between Democrats and Republicans on Russia.
	And then the third thing is I think China and Russia are long-term adversaries, but right now they're allied against us.
	And I think Putin saw that opportunity and has taken advantage of it.
	It's really hard to make up for lost ground.
	We're playing way from behind right now.
	Russia owns the dialogue.
	They own the pace of this crisis.
	They framed Every bit of it.
	And so it's really hard to salvage much from this.
	I fear that we will not.
	I think, watch, even if there is no war, which I hope there's not, but watch out for the settlement that we have to accept, because the Kremlin has, right now, all the leverage, and we have none.
	So needless to say, we could have done things differently at this point.
	Point is moved because we didn't.
	Because now the chessboard is in control of one player, not two players.
	One player controls the chessboard.
	To your previous comment of declassifying or pretending to declassify or announce that you've declassified intelligence doesn't make a strategy.
	I have to play this cut from one of the reporters actually doing his job at the State Department last week.
	Play cut.
	What is the evidence that they... I mean, this is like crisis actors, really?
	This is like Alex Jones territory you're getting into now.
	What evidence do you have to support the idea that there is some propaganda film in the making?
	Matt, this is derived from information known to the U.S.
	government.
	Intelligence information that we have declassified.
	I think you know.
	Okay, well, where is it?
	Where is this information?
	It is intelligence information that we have declassified.
	Well, where is it?
	Where is the declassified information?
	I just delivered it.
	No, you made a series of allegations and statements.
	Would you like us to print out the topper?
	Because you will see a transcript of this briefing that you can print out for yourself.
	That's not evidence, Ned.
	That's you saying it.
	That's not evidence.
	I'm sorry.
	What would you like, Matt?
	I would like to see some proof.
	That's Matt Lee doing his job.
	As somebody who has had the TSSCI clearances, saying I've declassified the information but not showing it isn't a strategy, is it Dan?
	No, it's not.
	It's embarrassing.
	I think, especially on Russia, we do this on Russia a lot.
	I used to have these discussions with my State Department colleagues.
	They thought we were always having a Cuban Missile Crisis moment, where they need to declassify intelligence about the stuff that we know Russia's doing anyway, so why are we declassifying it and showing it to them?
	As if that's going to convince them that this is really happening?
	All that Vladimir Putin is doing, I think in this case, he's probably feeding us some information, some intelligence, to dial up the tension so he can more effectively extort us.
	And then he wants to see where we collect so he can cut off the communication that is vulnerable.
	And that's a benefit to him.
	Remember, he's the KGB guy, and his interlocutors in our government may not have that same level of sophistication.
	But just because we highlight whatever Russia's purportedly planning on doing, that's not deterring them.
	That's not doing anything.
	It seems as if, and I'm out of time, but it seems to me as if we've completely forgotten every lesson from the Cold War.
	We're substituting diplomacy for just declassifying intelligence and talking about sanctions.
	I'd like to see the president deliver a real speech where he gets up on the bully pulpit and declares our interest in Ukraine.
	And calls out Russia for their bad behavior and then how we're going to deal with it.
	But we haven't done that and we're kind of paying the price.
	How do we deal with bad guys and dictators?
	He's just written a piece of the Washington Times on Ennis Cantor and his freedom.
	We're going to be posting it on my Twitter and Facebook pages right now.
	God bless you, Daniel.
	Thank you for joining us.
	Can't wait to see that manuscript.
	Follow him at Daniel Hoffman DC.
	This is America First, your cause and also John Solomon next.
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	Hang on.
	Okay.
	Yeah, he's on the line.
	Hey, Dan.
	Hey, have fun with John Solomon.
	Oh, right.
	I will.
	And I'll connect you with my money.
	Say that again.
	I said I was on John's podcast a couple hours ago and now I'm with you and now he's with you.
	This is like a big tag team thing.
	I don't know, it's fun.
	I have to tell you Dan, that was the most substantially satisfying Russia interview since this whole goat rope began.
	You're being kind when you call it a goat rope.
	I've got a lot of other... And I love watching your face when I ask you these questions and I show you Ned Price and you're just being so polite about this.
	Absolute... I mean... Twelve-year-old... No!
	Six-year-olds could do a better job who don't know where Roster is on a stinking map!
	My nine-year-old could handle it.
	He'd be fine.
	Anyway, thanks a bit.
	There's rules to how you handle bullies.
	It's very easy.
	It is.
	Like I told you, my nine-year-old took care of business last year.
	I had to tell him to stop.
	It's COVID.
	But he did that to the other kid in the neighborhood.
	I've got to connect with John.
	I'm going to connect you with my publisher, Tom, after the show.
	OK?
	OK.
	God bless.
	God bless.
	We'll do Ins and Outs after the break.
	Channel one.
	There we go.
	All right.
	All right, dialing him up.
	Hello, Mr. Solomon, can you hear us?
	Yep, I'll be set in 30 seconds, hang on.
	No worries, no worries.
	One minute before you come back on the air.
	That was really, that was such a good interview.
	It was, yeah.
	And it's the truth, there's nothing you can do about it, not now.
	Nope.
	All right.
	Mr. Solomon.
	Hey, hey, hey.
	How are you?
	We're doing all right.
	How about yourself?
	We're good.
	Ready for you.
	Yes, we are ready.
	25 seconds.
	Yes.
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	I love football.
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	We'll start with that.
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	And today he is my sports correspondent.
	John, did you have a good weekend?
	Did you enjoy the game?
	I think there was some kind of sporting event this weekend.
	There was.
	Just a little football game.
	Yeah, it was a great game.
	There's just so many great personal storylines in this one, from Matthew Stafford toiling for years on non-winning teams and getting his first Super Bowl, to Larry Donald, probably the most dominant defensive player in football since maybe Lawrence Taylor.
	At the end of the game, just taking control of the game and willing his team to victory.
	It was a great Super Bowl.
	Both teams played great.
	Two great quarterbacks.
	It was very satisfying for a sports junkie like me.
	Did your team win?
	Who were you rooting for?
	I was rooting for the Rams just because I like to see Matthew Stafford get something for all of the hard years he's put in at the NFL.
	So yeah, I felt good at the end.
	All right, that's it.
	Enough sports.
	Back to business.
	This is America First.
	Okay, it is the Super Bowl weekend, or it was, and it was a Friday when it dropped.
	I'm trying to see, you are now the owner of a media company.
	The legacy media, which you compete with because you actually do news, are they actually covering the story of the addition to the Sussman indictment that dropped Friday, which states that the Internet IT company that was working hand in glove with the Hillary campaign and paying Perkins Coie actually targeted and surveilled the office of the President of the United States.
	Is that making the rounds amongst your legacy colleagues, John?
	Shockingly, it isn't.
	In any other era, this would be considered a digital Watergate.
	The President of the United States was spied on by his opposition, accessing records through a federal contract.
	By the way, that's one of the allegations, that they access these DNS lookup records Because a university who hated Trump, or university researchers who hated Trump, could access these records.
	So they abuse their access, they spy on the president, and they use it to concoct a false story to get the FBI and the CIA to look at Donald Trump in a negative light when it wasn't warranted.
	In any other era of American journalism, except the present, it would be on the front page with breaking news crawlers day in and day out.
	But my colleagues in the mainstream, past the Washington Post, New York Times, They have abdicated their role in covering really significant news.
	There's no doubt about it.
	Now, you're a true investigative journalist.
	You've covered the beat in D.C.
	for decades.
	You covered the crime beat as well.
	How disturbing to you, or how much does it cause you to raise an eyebrow, that this document It's a it's a note to the court on a potential conflict of interest for the lawyers representing Sussman as opposed to what I suspect is which is a additional federal indictment for a private entity Surveilling the office of the President of the United States.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	It's not about crimes committed in hacking the White House.
	It's about, excuse me, counsel, you may have a conflict of interest.
	Can we clarify that?
	How bizarre is that, John?
	Listen, I think John Durham is a sly prosecutor, and there were some efforts by Sussman and his defenders in the media to cast aspersions on this Durham investigation.
	And the truth of the matter is, John Durham doesn't give a willy about anything except the truth.
	He's been focused on the truth.
	But, you know, there were some, including, I think the New York Times had an article saying, well, maybe this whole Sussman thing is trumped up.
	So John Durham showed a little bit of legacy.
	Hey, guess what else is in my bag coming down the road?
	A potential conspiracy among multiple people.
	A university with access to data records.
	A computer company.
	A law firm with Hillary Clinton.
	All working together to put together a false story and get the FBI and the CIA working on it.
	You know, I think that these are the outlines of what will eventually be a conspiracy indictment.
	There's certainly a lot of evidence of that.
	But I think this was a response to the naysayers saying, ah, this is just some silly, overblown, conservative Fox News theory.
	Guess what?
	John Durham has lots of goods and he hasn't shown many of them yet.
	I think we're in for a long year of revelations from John Durham.
	You're making it sound like John Durham is following the Andrew Breitbart playbook, where you drip, drip, drip stuff out, and they say it's all a lie until you drop the hammer six months later.
	Is that potentially...
	Are you saying he's being super sneaky?
	I don't want to be too...
	Listen, I think he's doing what he feels he should do as a prosecutor under the court of law.
	The court of public opinion is secondary to him.
	But he was being challenged by Sussman and his lawyers that maybe this isn't that strong a case.
	And he wanted to tell the court, hey, this is a strong case and the conflict of interest here is pretty egregious.
	The law firm representing all these different parties is privy to each other's defenses.
	That's not a good thing, Your Honor.
	In so doing, he gave us a scintillating story.
	But I don't think his purpose was to do that.
	His purpose was to meet the standards of the law.
	But as someone who's watched these cases, he is signaling that there is a lot more legal action to be taken in this investigation.
	Wow.
	John, tell everybody, tell our millions of listeners and viewers, your new daily show, the details.
	Yep, just the news, not noise.
	6 o'clock on Real America's Voice, 6 p.m.
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	Devin Nunes is going to talk about this revelation.
	He's the guy, of course, that unraveled much of the Russia collusion investigation.
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	Right, can you play me, um, seven?
	Uh, just a moment, yeah.
	I wonder what lessons you think were learned with how it was handled, because once the Canadians decided to go in and remove those broaches, it happened very quickly.
	I mean, it really wasn't that much of a conflict to open that bridge.
	Yeah, I wouldn't say most of us thought it was quick.
	I think we were urging the Canadians to move, and they moved slower than I think we would have moved on the American side if the same thing had happened.
	We have the legal procedures in place to go ahead.
	If you block an international border like that, we can move, and our Customs and Border Protection folks were ready to act if that happened on our side.
	Cut line.
	You know, there's chatter, but there's no solid plans of any real mass trucker movement that we're seeing in the U.S. so far.
	So right now it's more of a dream, more of a Tucker Carlson dream than reality.
	Incredible.
	The amount of times he mentions Tucker, you can tell he is so jealous of what Tucker has.
	Totally.
	Yep.
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	Stelter?
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	There's chatter, but there's no solid plans of any real mass trucker movement that we're seeing in the U.S.
	so far.
	So right now it's more of a dream, more of a Tucker Carlson dream than reality.
	I think it's probably a Brian Stelter nightmare is what it is, and I think Tucker lives in your head rent-free.
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	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	How are you doing?
	Good, good, my buddy.
	How are you?
	I am good.
	It's getting hot.
	But I have two questions for you today.
	So regarding the John Durham file that came out, the dates that happened, the surveillance by the Clintons and whoever, was that when you were in the White House?
	Was that the early days?
	All I can tell you is the following.
	This is news to me, David, that a private company was surveilling us.
	I was told when I was in the White House by a former CIA station chief, and no, it's not Daniel Hoffman, that an element of the NSA was surveilling us when we were in the White House.
	So yes, David, it's even worse than this story.
	So, second question.
	Hmm.
	What do you think the outcome will this be?
	I mean, I know it's not going to happen tomorrow or next month or a year from now, but do you think anyone will be indicted?
	Will there be any warrants served?
	I'm not expecting CNN to be outside people's homes, you know.
	At 6 a.m., right.
	Right.
	Outside Hillary's apartment at 5 a.m.
	Look, I don't know John Durham.
	And I look at the last five years and I see an utterly two-tiered justice system where Roger Stone, who I'm not a fan of, makes one misstatement in front of Congress and his house is rated at 6 a.m. with CNN watching.
	And then I see...
	You know, a DOJ lawyer forge a CIA document and get a slap on a wrist and be reinstated by the bar in DC.
	So I really don't know.
	I would like to think there would be justice.
	I've had two versions of events told to me that, you know, John Durham is just the sneakiest bastard out there and he's just slowly going to reel in these people and just drop the hammer on them.
	And I've got other people who say, no, he's just You know, he's diddling on the fringes of the biggest scandal in modern political history in America.
	So I don't know, it's too early to say.
	We'll have with us for a whole hour former counterintelligence officer Chris Farrell tomorrow.
	Today it's going to be Robert Barnes.
	Great question, David.
	We'll have to wait and see.
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	Six.
	And then ten.
	When we talked to parents in this poll, we found that so many said that their kids' mental and emotional health, their kids' educational development had gotten worse during the pandemic.
	Sizable numbers there.
	I call this surprised.
	Right.
	Again, this is just B-roll.
	So, it's silent.
	But I asked for 10.
	This is 10.
	Wait.
	Oh, hang on.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	People all over the world are watching and they have respect for what they're doing.
	They're tired of being pushed around by incompetent people and I think there's a lot of respect.
	For what they're doing.
	I see they have Trump signs all over the place, and I'm proud that they do.
	But that's what happens.
	You can push people so far.
	And our country is a tinderbox, too.
	Don't kid yourself.
	And there are plenty of our country up there right now, folks.
	When you look at what's happening, when you look at what's happening in Canada, our country, I think, is far more of a tinderbox than Canada.
	He's not wrong.
	Can you send that to Casio and say, President Trump, colon, our country is a tinderbox right now.
	Yeah.
	America first.
	First, hold, please.
	And then cut nine, stealthy.
	Oh yeah.
	Tucker Carlson really lives rent free in Stardust's head.
	okay can you come in with Nancy here guys Nancy, cut three.
	Yeah, after the liner.
	All right.
	Oh, titles, if you've got any in mind.
	Yeah.
	Monologue, Hoffman, Solomon, and Orford.
	Monologue.
	The Durham thing.
	Don't ever mention Watergate to me again.
	Yeah.
	Hi, what's your name?
	It's too late to stop Putin.
	Solomon.
	What do you mean?
	What do you mean by this?
	What does the... Alright, what are you calling for?
	Durham indictment mean?
	Yep.
	Then I had something for... Alright.
	Alright, thanks.
	What was that about?
	Nothing making sense.
	Asking you to go to truthnow.net?
	No, it's just like, I can't believe that this is happening.
	What do you mean by this?
	17 different things were said.
	Were they agitated?
	Yes.
	25 seconds coming in with Pelosi after the liner.
	Alright.
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	See, when we won in 06 and 08, we were left to our own devices, just us kids.
	We didn't have a Democrat in the White House.
	Now we do, so we're even stronger in the ability to win.
	And who is more empathetic than Joe Biden?
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	Onward to a great Democratic victory.
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	I think she's been on the crack pipes.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First.
	She said, us kids in 2008.
	Jeff, how old was she in 2008?
	Was she like 12?
	No, she was 67.
	Us kids!
	67.
	Well, there you go.
	Have you ever seen such an empathetic, such a knowledgeable president as Joe Biden?
	Such a strategic thinker!
	She actually says that with a, well, it's not a straight face, because if she smiled it would crack, but yeah, the great strategist.
	Let's talk about strategy.
	I want to enlist you.
	I'm serious.
	We're having a little bit of fun, but now I'm going to get deadly, deadly, deadly serious.
	You know what my job was.
	I was strategist to the president.
	My thing-er is strategy, and for five and a half years, I taught strategy.
	I taught the counter-strategy to terrorists.
	I taught irregular warfare as a DoD civilian.
	In what is alleged, there are others who argue that other sites are older, but I think it's pretty well demonstrable that Fort McNair in the nation's capital, a beautiful former army base, which is now a DoD facility, it's actually where the Lincoln conspirators We're hanged.
	In one of the buildings there, there's actually a photograph of the gallows with the conspirators hanging off the gallows after they were apprehended after the Lincoln assassination, after Wilkes Booth was gunned down.
	That base is now the home to the highest institution of professional military learning in the United States.
	It's an umbrella organization called National Defense University.
	There are four colleges on that campus.
	I want to give you the full background, the details, so you understand where I'm coming from.
	The allegedly most prestigious is the National War College.
	If you want to become a general, you really need whatever service you're from to spend a year at National War College on the campus of National Defense University to get your Master's in Strategic Affairs.
	There's also the Eisenhower School.
	That has to do with logistics a little bit more than strategy per se.
	Then there's the school that I used to teach at, which is the College for International Security Affairs that focuses on counterterrorism and irregular warfare.
	And then there's one more institution.
	I was informed by the great people at Epoch Times actually, so congratulations to that journalist.
	About an event that is happening at National Defence University, at one of the think tanks there, on Wednesday.
	And it's a bloody outrage.
	And as a former Associate Dean, that was the position I had when I left National Defence University to move to the Marine Corps University, I'm outraged.
	So let me read to you, from the website, of the National Defense University Institute for National Strategic Studies.
	Their event for this Wednesday.
	Responding to China.
	The case for global justice and democratic socialism.
	INSS Speaker Series with Thomas Piketty.
	February 16th.
	12 p.m.
	at the on the strategic multi-layer assessment platform open to the public.
	Here's the summary of the event.
	Western countries are still struggling to define their attitude towards the Beijing regime.
	Well, I'm not.
	They're a communist regime that kills people, has labor camps, forced organ harvesting, a state of sanctioned rape.
	So I don't have any problems.
	But according to the National Defense University, the taxpayer institution that trains our officers, we don't know what to do with China.
	But enough editorializing.
	In this talk on February the 22nd, 2022, Thomas Piketty will argue that the right answer to China lies in ending Western arrogance and promoting a new emancipatory and egalitarian horizon on a global scale.
	How do you promote a horizon?
	Anyway.
	A new form of democratic and participatory ecological and post-colonial socialism.
	Did you get that?
	The West needs to turn into a new emancipatory egalitarian horizon with a new form of democratic participatory ecological and post-colonial socialism.
	If the West sticks to their usual lecturing posture and a dated hyper-capitalist model – oh no, hyper-capitalist – Western countries may find it extremely difficult to meet the Chinese challenge.
	The speaker, Thomas Piketty, is a French economist who also teaches at the Institute For inequalities in international economics at the London School of Economics and is the author of Capital in the 21st Century.
	Now Capital in the 21st Century, what does that make you think of?
	Ah yes, another book that was called Capital, well it was in German, it was called Das Kapital and it was written by Karl Marx.
	What you won't find on the event announcement is that Thomas Piketty is a former staff member of the French Socialist Party.
	So we have a socialist coming to America to the oldest U.S.
	Army base to lecture U.S.
	service officers on why America should become a socialist state.
	Can I ask you to help me to stop this?
	Would you call National Defense University, the Eisenhower School, and the Institute for National Security Studies and tell them why this is wrong and why you don't want to pay for it as a U.S.
	taxpayer and why preaching socialism on U.S.
	Army bases to American officers is an outrage because so many bled and died to fight socialism?
	In Vietnam and elsewhere?
	This is just wrong.
	And we must do something about it.
	So, the Institute for National Strategic Studies, you can contact them by going to inss.ndu.edu.
	dotndu.edu that's i n s s dotndu national defense university dot edu you can contactndu you There's an email form on their website, which is super easy.
	This is the National Defence University by simply going to ndu.edu.
	And then here are some names of people who you can ask for when you call up these institutions.
	The main switchboard number, they're not picking up today.
	Maybe people reacted in adequate numbers to my tweet at the weekend.
	But the main switchboard for the National Defense University is 202-685-4700.
	And you should ask for the president of the National Defense University, Lieutenant General Michael Pline, USF.
	Air Force.
	That's P-L-E-N, P-L-E-H-N.
	Just ask for the office of the president.
	That's Lieutenant General Michael T. Plein, P-L-E-H-N.
	and ask him why he is permitting a socialist to lecture US military personnel on why America is bad and should be a socialist country.
	That number again for National Defense University is 202-685-4700.
	Or you can call the institution inside NDU that is hosting the event, the real culprits.
	The director of the INSS is Dr. Laura Juna Pulzone.
	Dr. Juna, J-U-N-O-R dash Pulzone, P-U-L-Z-O-N-E.
	The number for the Institute for National Security Affairs that you fund, dear listener, is 202-685-4333.
	That's 202-685-4333.
	202-685-4333.
	That's 202-685-4333.
	Tell them what you think about socialism being sold on U.S. Army bases.
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	Hello.
	Hey, hey, hey.
	How are you?
	Good, looking good.
	Thank you.
	Good to see you.
	It's been too long.
	Yes.
	Thanks for coming in.
	Hello, I think I've seen you soon at Georgia Trade Show.
	Oh, good!
	Yeah.
	When is that?
	Is it this week or next week?
	Tomorrow, right?
	Oh, it's tomorrow.
	I think it's tomorrow.
	I think it is, yes.
	Good, yeah, they've got a great, like 70 people coming, so.
	Yeah.
	Okay, that's you.
	And then you can grab some headphones.
	Okay.
	I wanted to talk about the article.
	Yes.
	Talk about political correctness in the military and then whatever else you're working on.
	Okay.
	So tell me.
	Let's see.
	I am working on a lot of COVID stuff.
	Yeah?
	Afghanistan.
	Like the exemptions?
	Yes.
	So they're about... Let's talk about that.
	That's great.
	Yeah.
	Nearly a thousand have been discharged.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	And then the Afghanistan thing, this is something I've been working on for several months.
	I've talked to some folks who were there during the evacuation.
	Of course, we have all these papers that have come out now that I actually haven't looked through yet.
	But they're very similar, but, you know, just what a cluster it was on the ground there.
	So, I mean, I've talked to folks, and, you know, I don't know what's in the latest reports yet, but, I mean, there was just really bad stuff going on, you know, just a lot of confusion, you know, U.S. forces killing Afghan commando, U.S. forces killing Afghan commando, you know, just a lot of stuff.
	Well, and the commander said it was, you know, Jill Biden calling him up and saying, can you get these people out before somebody else?
	And just a complete mess.
	Having the White House just mess with the plans.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, the evacuation, it's like the folks that helped us, you know, the SIVs, they're, they're all left behind, you know, it's basically you just got everyone on a plane that happened to get into the airport and then just brought them over.
	So anyway I've been I've been doing that for um I've been trying to get to that but mostly it's COVID because it's like every day you know more folks are getting their denial letters or religious exemption denial letters and it's it's really heartbreaking for these you know service members and their families too so I had um a marine reach out to me today sending he got this denial today so what's going to happen to these people you know and they've approved a handful
	Yeah, yeah.
	Thirteen.
	I think twelve.
	Twelve so far.
	Nine in the Air Force, three in the Marine Corps.
	The only ones approved in the Marine Corps, they're getting out of the Marine Corps.
	That is the only reason they had their religious exemption.
	Yeah.
	Great.
	And it actually says in a letter to Daryl Issa that is the reason because they have very limited, you know, impact.
	What's your title at Breitbart?
	With Pentagon Correspondent.
	Pentagon.
	Yes.
	Pentagon Correspondent.
	20 seconds.
	Okay, 20 seconds.
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	So, I told you the story.
	What's happening at my old alma mater?
	I didn't study there.
	I was a professor there, National Defense University, hosting socialist professors from France to tell our officers why America should be a socialist state.
	I'm very, very grateful to the Pentagon correspondent for Breitbart.com, a personal friend of mine, Christina Wong, for writing the story up really quickly when I found out the news.
	Christina, welcome to America First.
	Thanks for having me on, Dr. G. Always good to be here.
	Nice job.
	Nicely done.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for the heads up.
	I mean, this was priority.
	We need to get this out there.
	We do, and we need to do something about it.
	Yet again, everybody, please, may I enlist you?
	Make a call.
	Go to the website.
	Send them a message.
	This is the Institute for National Security Studies phone number 202.
	685-4333.
	Call them up and tell them why this is wrong on your taxpayer dime.
	That's 202-685-4333.
	202-685-4333, or just go to inss.ndu.edu, or call the main number for the National Defence University.
	That's 202-685-4700.
	That's 202-685-4700.
	And ask to speak to the office of the president of National Defence University.
	That's Lieutenant General Michael Plain, PMI.
	P-L-E-H-N.
	And tell him, or whoever picks up the phone, why this is wrong.
	So I have to ask you, Christina, has anybody reached out to you?
	You are the Pentagon correspondent.
	Has anybody justified to you why this is a good thing to do on the taxpayer dime?
	Yeah, no one from the government has reached out to me.
	Of course, this story has gotten lots of attention.
	It was atop of Breitbart yesterday.
	Yes, other media outlets have reached out to me who want to hear more about the story.
	But yeah, the Pentagon is just pretending it's not happening.
	They're not responding.
	I think, I mean, this is certainly not the first, you know, woke initiative that they've had.
	You know, I think there's a lot going on underneath the surface.
	So they're just going to march ahead, pretend this is not happening, at least as far as I know.
	And, you know, we've got about two days before this goes down.
	Yeah, but this is just to reiterate so everybody understands that...
	There is this system for teaching the military.
	It's called the JPME system, Joint Professional Military Education.
	Every service has its academy.
	Every service, apart from the Marine Corps, has its war college as well.
	And this is the highest of them all.
	This is National Defense University.
	It's not the Army War College in Carlisle.
	It's not the Navy one in Newport.
	This is the Big one.
	You want to become general in whatever service you serve.
	You've got to go to National Defense University.
	And this is where a French socialist is telling U.S. offices why America needs to be a socialist country.
	But as you said, we don't have to understand this, Christine, in the context of just political correctness in general.
	So tell us about last time you were on the show we talked about Fort Bragg.
	How bad is this this creeping woke-ism inside of all of our services?
	Yeah I mean this is there's a lot going on I mean this is you know the Pentagon military services they host like Like drag queen shows, you know, there was another one, I believe, on a different Air Force base for, I think it's Black History Month.
	So these things are happening.
	We just don't hear about them.
	And you happen to find this.
	But this is certainly not new.
	So I broke a story last year where at Special Operations Command, The HR folks there were pushing their military forces and civilians to attend like a DEI seminar.
	Explain what that is, that acronym, because it's not about race theory, basically.
	Diversity, equity and inclusion.
	Exactly.
	Let's just repeat what Christina said.
	This is Special Operations Command, MacDill Air Force Base in Florida.
	This is the tip of the spear.
	These are the guys that go in to kill terrorists.
	That's their job.
	But they have a special diversity, inclusivity and equity seminar.
	Exactly.
	I mean, and this is, this is just been going, this kind of stuff has been going on for years, but I think it's just now that we're, we're becoming aware of these kinds of things.
	And you know, we've seen things like, you know, the West Point hosting seminars and panels on critical race theory.
	During a panel, a colonel apologized for her whiteness and her privilege.
	I think the cadets were required to attend a critical race theory seminar.
	You have, you know, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley saying, you know, I want to understand white rage and I'm white.
	Not only that, he said he testified, so this is the most senior military officer in the United States, the most powerful man in a uniform in the world, who said on Capitol Hill, I don't know what critical race theory is, but I think it's good that it's taught at West Point because I'm white and I want to understand white rage because, and he said this, because January 6th,
	Well, maybe if he understood the Taliban a bit better, or Russia, he'd be doing his job.
	And that hearing happened, you know, as the military was supposed to be getting ready for a drawdown from Afghanistan.
	And, you know, so I think that that's worth noting.
	And, you know, I think it's also worth noting what institution, you know, you talked about NDU,
	It's also, I mean, this lecture coming up on the case for socialism, that's jointly planned by the Strategic Multi-Layer Program, which is organized and executed by the Joint Staff, which consists of the top military officers of each service, and they inform Milley, who then informs Biden.
	So we're talking about very top levels of the Pentagon.
	So West Point is one thing, right?
	It's an academic institution, but now...
	This is inside the Pentagon, the Joint Staff.
	The multilayer assessment program is part of the Joint Chiefs.
	Yeah, and they meet in the tank, you know, in the Pentagon.
	So we're not talking about, you know, West Point anymore.
	We're not talking about the Naval Academy, although that's important because these are our cadets, our future military leaders.
	But now we're talking about the very senior levels of the Pentagon hosting a lecture on the case for democratic socialism to beat China.
	And just a little reminder, just a little reminder, this isn't a one-off, this isn't fringe, this has consequences.
	Who can forget Second Lieutenant Spencer Rapona of West Point, who on graduation pulled back his West Point blues to show his Che Guevara t-shirt and held his cover, his hat, took it off with inside, with the label that he'd written by himself, Socialism wins.
	That is a West Point graduate.
	Since then he's been kicked out of the army and he's a professor somewhere.
	But this affects your national security.
	We're talking to Christina Wong.
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	All right, we've got to talk Afghanistan and exemptions.
	Who else is on the team?
	So it's still Frances, Penny.
	Yes, she's in Florida.
	She moved to Florida.
	Of course, Joel.
	There's a lot of new folks.
	Let's see, the national security team.
	There's a new person named Gabrielle.
	I haven't met her.
	I'm not sure where she is.
	Hayward is still there.
	Where's he based out of?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	So, yeah.
	Oh, Emma Jo Morris joined.
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	We've had her on.
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	Last week.
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	Seriously, I don't get people who eat dark chocolate.
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	Okay, we've got to get serious.
	We've got to talk about the lack of vaccine exemptions for members of our armed services, and we've got to talk about the disaster of Afghanistan, which we are hearing more and more details on.
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	Talk to us about what we're still finding out.
	Last week, we had the operational commander for the evacuation.
	The FOIA documents were released where he said the White House was just reaching in and saying, no, you can't do that.
	We want you to evacuate this person first.
	Jill Biden was reaching in and telling the general how to do his job.
	How much of a disaster was it, Christina?
	You know, it's very interesting that these documents are coming out now.
	Normally, it takes years.
	for these kinds of things to come out and I think what the reason why this is just my speculation is that The military, you know, they want to get this out there.
	They feel that the administration, Biden, you know, gave them a raw deal.
	The administration did not move fast enough to evacuate sooner.
	And I think they just want to, you know, let this all out there and say, this is what actually happened.
	Because, I mean, it was a disaster.
	And I don't think the military wants to have this, you know, Happen again.
	Exactly.
	Happen again.
	And they don't want to be responsible for what happened.
	And so there's a lot of stuff that's coming out because there's a lot of stuff I haven't yet reported.
	And I think there's going to be a commission.
	If and when Republicans take the House, there's going to be more investigations.
	There has to be.
	There has to be.
	Yeah, I mean, this story is nowhere near over the things that I've heard personally from service members and haven't yet reported.
	It's really bad.
	Give us an example of some of the things you're hearing.
	Oh, well, there were just so many instances that our troops had to face on the ground there.
	You know, a lot of atrocities that they saw, some that I've reported, you know, just they saw civilians get mowed down, run over.
	And the reality from the outside, it looks to me, that it was whoever could get to the airport and jump on a plane was evacuated, Christina.
	Absolutely.
	And that's something that, you know, I still deal with, you know, I still have our service members, you know, coming to me as well as, you know, Afghans who worked for our government or who actually are American citizens whose kids are still there, whose American kids are still there.
	You know, asking for help.
	The folks who helped us and Americans are still there.
	And like you said, you know, when the Taliban came in, it was, you know, a service member told me it was as if everyone in Kabul ran to the airport.
	And that's probably what it was like.
	And a lot of these folks, I mean, some of these folks helped the U.S.
	A lot did not.
	And so the ones that did, they were hiding, you know, because they didn't want to be killed by the Taliban.
	So there are a lot of a lot of the ones who helped interpret for our forces.
	They're going from house to house trying to avoid the Taliban.
	And those were the ones we were supposed to get out.
	Right.
	But yeah, there was just a rush and just a humanitarian disaster.
	I've heard that folks were dying in the terminal.
	So, you know, there's, like I said, there's stuff that haven't reported yet, you know, because of heat stroke, lack of food.
	I mean, it was a disaster.
	And for some of our young troops to go over there and see this kind of thing.
	And that America, this is how America does business is, is just For the morale of those troops.
	We're out of time in this segment.
	We haven't talked about the vaccine mandates for the troops.
	Can you stay for a few more minutes?
	I can.
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	It's Breitbart.com.
	She's Christina Wong.
	She is their Pentagon correspondent.
	We've covered so many topics already.
	One of the most important, we've got a few minutes left with her.
	Christina, tell us about, this is what the legacy media just simply is not reporting on.
	How Thousands of Americans who've served this country, who've worn the cloth of the Republic, are being terminated from the armed services because they don't want to take an experimental vaccine.
	Tell us how bad the situation really is, Christine.
	Yeah, it's really bad.
	And so I think I was the only one to report this, but nearly a thousand service members have been kicked out of the military so far.
	And they're I just did my own calculations based on how many service members are part of each service and what percentage have not been vaccinated.
	There could be, you know, my estimate is 70,000 service members who have not, who have chosen not to take the vaccine.
	Who could potentially all be terminated.
	Exactly.
	And, you know, a lot of folks are saying, oh, you know, it's just a few, it's just a hundred, you know.
	I mean, these are service members that are trained, they have experience, you know.
	And they cost the taxpayer, in some cases, millions of dollars.
	Right.
	Do I have pilots?
	Pilots?
	Exactly.
	Pilots, Navy SEALs, incredibly expensive to train and incredibly experienced.
	And, you know, lots of them have taken stands.
	You know, I think some of them have had actually successful cases and getting injunctions against the vaccine mandate so far.
	And what is happening to the requests for religious exemptions?
	There's a handful and usually they're being approved because of what?
	Yeah, so there were just nine that the Air Force approved, and of course the military services do not explain the process of religious accommodations, how they're being approved.
	But previous to that nine, which we don't know anything about, there were three granted by the Marine Corps, and the Marine Corps wrote a letter to representative Darrell Issa and they explained that the only reason those three Marines got approved their religious accommodation request approved is because one two were on terminal leave and another one is is doing a program where he or she is ready to So they're leaving?
	They're on the way out?
	Exactly.
	They're gone.
	And there's a letter, and if you find it on the website at Breitbart, I reported on it.
	You know, I posted the letter and it explains that is why they got their religious exemptions approved.
	And there are thousands, thousands, tens of thousands who have applied for religious accommodation.
	And they're getting their denial weathers every single day.
	So today I heard from yet another person who have had their religious exemption requests denied.
	And these are folks with more than 10 years in the military.
	As you know, once you hit 20, you're eligible for retirement benefits.
	I mean, these are people who've poured their whole lives into the military.
	They've deployed multiple times, and now they're going to get booted because they didn't take the, you know, the experimental vaccine.
	And some of them have already had COVID.
	And so we have, you know, the CDC recognizing natural immunity, but we do not have military yet saying, you know, well, you already had COVID.
	Maybe we'll make an exception for you.
	Is there anybody in power, is there any senior officer who's saying this will affect our readiness?
	No.
	You have plenty of lawmakers.
	You do have, I think, some, you know, colonels and various folks.
	I don't know their identities who, you know, have requested religious accommodation or who are not taking, you know, the vaccine.
	But we don't know their identities.
	But there's no one, no leader, no military leader who's come out and spoken on behalf of these thousands of service members.
	It's incredible.
	We have, if you add the reserves, if you add the guard, we've got close to two million men and women in uniform.
	And how is it, dear nation, and I'm talking to everybody out there who's listening or who's related to a service member, how is it that not one senior officer, and I mean, you know, over the rank of 05 or 06, Doesn't have the spine, doesn't have the courage to do the right thing as troops are being deployed to Europe to stand in front of 130,000 Russian hardened troops.
	Nobody has The courage to stand up as a brigadier, as a general, and to say this is wrong morally, number one.
	Number two, it's wrong because of the money and time we've invested in our warfighters.
	And three, it's wrong because of the effect it has on our national security.
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	Thank you, Mr. President.
	I love it when you actually meet a reporter who's a real reporter.
	Let's stay with the President.
	This is the 45th President of the United States talking about what's happening in Canada and what it's like here in America.
	People all over the world are watching and they have respect for what they're doing.
	They're tired of being pushed around by incompetent people and I think there's a lot of respect.
	For what they're doing.
	I see they have Trump signs all over the place, and I'm proud that they do.
	But that's what happens.
	You can push people so far.
	And our country is a tinderbox, too.
	Don't kid yourself.
	And there are plenty of our country up there right now, folks.
	When you look at what's happening, when you look at what's happening in Canada, our country, I think, is far more of a tinderbox than Canada.
	I would tend to agree.
	Let's stay on the topic of what's happening with our military.
	Antoinette, California.
	It's not even Thursday.
	Welcome, Antoinette.
	Hey, Dr. G, thank you.
	And Christina Wong, what an amazing woman.
	We're going to say prayers and bless her.
	But yes, I call that fool director Lorena, whatever the hell she is.
	Yes, at National Defense University.
	What happened?
	I called five times, Dr. G. It rang and rang and rang, and then by the seventh ring, they pick it up and then they hang it up.
	They pick it up and then they hang it up.
	Think of that!
	Our military college of higher education is afraid of you, Antoinette!
	Dr. G, they can go to hell.
	They're not going to use my tax dollars for a socialist to come and speak to our military?
	Well, thank you.
	We're going to keep the pressure on everybody.
	Call National Defense University.
	Tell them what you think.
	Glenn, Arizona.
	Thank you, Antoinette.
	Line two.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	So I spoke to my cousin.
	He's 24 years.
	He's a master sergeant.
	And I asked him, I understand what he did.
	He's got three little kids.
	And basically, he only took the vaccine because basically, even if it happens, at least he gets his pension.
	I understand that.
	And I respect my cousin for that.
	But I asked him, why aren't more lieutenant colonels and colonels and, you know, commanders and stuff and everybody else speaking out.
	And he was just very pointed.
	Glenn, people are looking out after their own interests.
	And they're going to do what's in their best interest.
	And that's where we are, Sebastian.
	Yeah, I know.
	I mean, Glenn, I was DM'd again yesterday on Twitter by somebody who said he wants me to come on his podcast.
	And I said, dude, your Twitter account is anonymous.
	OK, you won't even give me your name.
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	This is, of course, America First one-on-one with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Trump and still currently presidential appointee to the National Defense Education Board.
	And today we'll look Sometimes we have guests that I want to have on because I'm huge fans and have been for the longest time, people whose work I respect.
	And then there are others who, members of my family, my team, say, you know, you've got to check this guy out.
	And he's going to come on one-on-one.
	And that is the case today.
	We are delighted to have with us Robert Barnes, trial lawyer.
	Just kind of a data-based individual, bit of a troublemaker, and that's what we like.
	Robert Barnes, welcome to America First one-on-one.
	Happy to be here.
	Robert, let's start for those who are not familiar with your work, your background, what you do on, you know, you're out there in the media every single day.
	Talk to us about your background, your training, and what is the focus of your work today?
	Sure, I'm a constitutional lawyer.
	Do civil criminal cases, do tax cases, do cases around the country and across the globe.
	Clients are across the board politically.
	So I've represented everybody from the Green Party and the Peace and Freedom Party to the Libertarian Party and the Taxpayers Party and the Conservative Party.
	Everybody from Wesley Snipes and Julie Stein and a range of others to President Trump and a range of people, the Covington kids.
	You name it.
	So the only thing that's in common is that most of my clients are underdog clients and their cases and causes concern matters of constitutional liberty.
	Excellent.
	I want to talk to you specifically, spend some of our time talking about defamation and how we can fight back against the smear factory that the left has become.
	But first things first, I love his movies.
	Seems like a nice guy.
	Had a few tax issues in the past.
	Is Wesley Snipes as nice a guy as he seems?
	Oh, absolutely.
	He was a sincere, straightforward, everyday guy.
	Had some, you know, creative questions for the IRS, but he figured that, hey, the IRS would answer his questions, and instead they gave him an indictment.
	But he was ultimately acquitted of all felony charges, all fraud charges, all conspiracy charges, even half the misdemeanor charges, and ultimately got a good, very good resolution with the IRS.
	But yeah, he's one of the nicest people I've known.
	Actually kind of an introvert, which people might be surprised by as a successful actor, but a very good guy.
	Not the only actor who is an introvert.
	I think that's quite a common thing.
	I have another personal question.
	I understand you're quite successful internationally in political betting and as an immigrant to this nation, I don't like betting in general.
	I think it has destroyed, you know, many, many lives just like alcohol has.
	However, growing up as a kid in the UK, the bookie, the political bets before every election, that was a big deal and usually Damn sight more accurate than anything the pollsters were doing.
	Why is it here in America that this is the one thing you can't bet on?
	I know it's crazy.
	I have to always fly to London in order to bet.
	You have a small political betting market, I'll predict it here, but...
	When I wanted to bet on Brexit I had to go over, on the parliamentary elections I had to go over, and the U.S.
	presidential elections was the biggest individual political bet I'd ever been made.
	I'd made small bets with friends over the years, and there used to be something you could bet small amounts on, but to make the bet the size and scale I was going to make on Trump, Okay, tell me, what was your bet?
	in the UK but end up being a good experience because that ended up being the biggest payout I've ever received.
	Okay, tell me what was your bet?
	What did you say with regards to my old boss President Trump?
	So I bet over $200,000.
	Wow.
	You know, took all the dollars over there, made a little more than half a million dollars on the bet.
	Got two to one odds at a bunch of places.
	Finished up at Dublin.
	The way the bookies worked is, you know, you have to go around to all the different bookie shops.
	Who was it?
	Was it Ladbrooks?
	Who took your bet?
	I had to spread it out over all four sportsbooks.
	So I had some at Paddy Power.
	I had some at Ladbrokes.
	I had some at William Hill.
	I had some at a few others.
	And it was a fun experience.
	I spent two weeks going around London and Dublin placing bets.
	And what were the bookies' responses?
	Did they think you were crazy?
	I mean, you won, so the odds were in your favor, clearly.
	What was the state of expectations for President Trump defeating the woman who spent $1.4 billion on her campaign?
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's just the official total.
	Mostly the bookies were cool and nonchalant.
	They wanted a little more action on Trump because a lot of the big bets that had been placed there had been bet on Hillary Clinton.
	In fact, Patty Power famously paid out all their Hillary Clinton bets a month before the election.
	That ended up not being so wise.
	But I remember it was the other people that would be in line, and they're like, you're betting on Trump?
	Trump?
	And I remember joking with him, look, I'm just betting on Trump because I really want to see Trump meet the Queen, just to see their reaction.
	But yeah, a lot of people were shocked by the outcome.
	All right, you can tell he's a troublemaker.
	OK, let's talk about the fact that you had to go to the UK.
	For me, And not just because I was born and raised there.
	I truly think this is a geopolitical phenomena.
	It starts what we are witnessing, the rewriting of the political landscape.
	You know, left and right really makes no sense anymore in an age of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.
	I think the phenomena of, I know the left has turned this into a pejorative term, but the revivification of populism in a positive sense really begins in the UK with Brexit, This idea that the largest voting base ever, 17 million Brits, said no to the socialism, no to the centralisation of the EU and said we want to leave and be an independent country.
	I think that vote is inextricably linked to the fact that the first time in American history We elected a non-politician, non-retired general to the highest office in the land.
	Robert, talk to us about what connections you see or don't see between the British and the American experience politically in the last six, seven years.
	Oh, there's no doubt about it.
	In fact, as a political gambler, I often look at what's happening in UK elections and UK politics because it's been, you know, Margaret Thatcher previewed Ronald Reagan, you know, so to a certain degree, you know, Chancellor's election sort of previewed in certain respects the George W. Bush, the George H. W. Bush election.
	Tony Major kind of followed into the Bill Clinton model.
	So we've seen a lot of parallels.
	And I think the mistake Boris Johnson made Was not recognizing the significance of Brexit, which he had championed, but also the significance of Trump because he made some decisions that were less than Trumpian and now he's on the ropes in the UK.
	But often the UK and the US really tend to parallel each other in deep political trends more so than any two other nations.
	More so than the U.S.
	and Canada, the U.S.
	and France, the U.S.
	and the U.K., as one trends, the other will follow.
	And it's often been the U.K.
	in advance of the U.S., but sometimes it's been the reverse.
	But there's no, like, on election night, speaking of betting odds, you could bet, you could get 10 to 1 odds that Brexit was going to pass.
	And that too was a nice profitable bet, just didn't get the chance to put as much money on it as they could.
	But it was very much, you're absolutely right, it was completely a preview of the mindset that was taking place that would lead to the election of Trump.
	People, especially working class people, were desperate for change and they were willing to take a big gamble on what that might look like, whether it was Brexit or Trump.
	And I think that even the Europe and the US still haven't, the political establishments Have not come to terms with both of those votes.
	Yeah, no, we're going to talk about that exactly, and we're going to talk about the last election.
	Let's stop there for a second.
	For me, it seems as if that movement in America, because we don't have, as we do in the UK, you know, a formal opposition leader.
	It's not like, you know, the mirroring and the shadow cabinet system that the Parliament has.
	It seems to me that here in America, with the quote-unquote results of the last election, the America First MAGA movement is to a certain extent Organically untethered from the personage of Donald Trump, because he's not in Parliament, he's not standing every day up in the Senate or what have you.
	He's in Mar-a-Lago.
	How do you look at the current state of play for the populist movement?
	Is it untethered?
	Is it amorphous?
	Or is it slowly percolating through the swamp?
	I think it's the latter, because in particular what we're seeing is more populist candidates than probably ever on the Republican side.
	You know, people like J.D.
	Vance in Ohio, people like Eric Reitens in Missouri, people like Adam Laxalt in Nevada, people like Blake Masters in Arizona.
	You're seeing some people engage the political arena, like Peter Thiel, that have been kind of quiet because of his concern of the rise of China.
	You're seeing a lot of Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz types parallel what they've done, and they're running for their House primary campaigns.
	People like Patrick Witt in Georgia, Joe Kent in Washington, and many others.
	So I think populism is taking over the core and the heart and the soul of the party, and it's going to be increasingly represented by a diversified group of elected officials, not just dependent on one man and Donald Trump.
	And how does the establishment GOP react?
	That's going to be my next question.
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	I think it's fair to say that we are witnessing for the modern age more populist America first candidates than than I can recall, which is very, very exciting.
	You mentioned most of the ones who are regular guests on this show.
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	We still have Kevin McCarthy, who I think is, you know, a nice chap, but he's not exactly a fire-breathing, you know, swamp-fighting berserker.
	What is the status of the GOP establishment, which in my opinion Really looks at Donald Trump as an aberration they want to put behind him and get back to business as usual, hanging out with the Democrats in fancy cocktail parties in Georgetown!
	There's no doubt about that.
	I mean, I remember when the president asked me to help him on the election disputes in Georgia, we met down with the Georgia Establishment Republican Party, and we were arguing, you know, the recount and an effective constitutional recount was critical to the runoff.
	The recount is the runoff.
	They wanted to pretend that the elections were just fine, and they thought that was the best path, and we all know how that turned out.
	So I think that it will be a shock to the establishment to see the number of populists win in both primaries and general elections, is my guess.
	We'll have the most, you know, America first oriented populist in the Republican elected holding office in the House and the Senate since probably the 1920s, when we used to have a lot of, you know, populist America first politicians on the Republican side, North Dakota, South Dakota, you know, Senator Nye and others.
	I think we'll restore that.
	And I think it may result, it would not surprise me if Mitch McConnell actually retires from the Senate, particularly if there's a Republican governor that's getting elected in Kentucky so that he could handpick his replacement early because he probably doesn't want to be part of the Republican Party and doesn't fit the Republican Party that is emerging in the country and will be represented particularly if there's a Republican governor that's getting elected in Kentucky so that he could handpick
	And I think the Republican Institutional Party has to continue to recognize that, you know, the old days of picking a majority leader or a speaker based on their ability to raise money is no longer in their backdoor dealing, but People don't want the backdoor dealing and the outcomes that come from that.
	And on the money-raising side, you don't need them for that anymore.
	Crowdfunding has replaced that.
	Both Trump and Bernie Sanders, who we talked about earlier, both blazed the path that showed you don't need institutional support anymore.
	And how significant is it when Kevin McCarthy, again, not a super strong guy, probably a nice guy, says, we don't really care what the Chamber of Commerce says anymore.
	That's a big deal, isn't it?
	Oh, absolutely.
	And the more they begin to recognize that it's the independent grassroots, the independent media, the independent political base that is much more representative and reflective than the board at Fox is, of where the heart of the Republican Party is, the better they're going to get there.
	If they embrace the zeitgeist that Trump unearthed, Then they will have more power and more success than they ever had before.
	If they continue to fight it, the way Boris Johnson partially did with his COVID-19 responses, then you're going to end up like Boris Johnson, fighting for your political life.
	A massive disappointment, especially to people like me who grew up under Maggie Thatcher, who was an actual leader.
	We're talking to Robert Barnes, BarnesLLP.com.
	You are a data guy.
	A lot of money on the Brexit election for example.
	So I've got to broach the subject.
	I went last week to Los Angeles and on camera I was filmed by Dinesh D'Souza's team reacting to the evidence he has collected about ballot harvesting, illegal ballot harvesting.
	He bought Huge amounts of geospatial data based upon phones, phone identities, got foyered footage from the ballot drop boxes that I did the math of the stuff he showed to me was at least 200,000 illegally harvested ballots.
	What is Robert Barnes' professional take on what happened last year and what can we know about what happened last year in the election?
	What I told the President when he called about it was I said that the mechanism by which you can find out if this election was on the up-and-up or is a serious legal doubt is whether or not they will allow you to have a signature match check on this mass influx of mail-in ballots.
	And I said if they never allow that to happen, then you can assume that they believe that the election wouldn't hold up to meaningful legal scrutiny.
	And unfortunately along the way I told him that there was going to be some red herrings and distractions and some of my colleagues were pushing a path that I thought was not going to be the most productive for him.
	But that ended up kind of consuming aspects of the public narrative.
	But the underlying reality is there never was a signature match check.
	In the few places that did a small-scale signature match check, such as court proceedings in Arizona, the Democrats' own expert found that there were 10 times more signatures in doubt than the margin of victory if you projected out what the sample size showed.
	And the way that happened is what Dinesh is highlighting.
	So the way that happens is that the biggest risk of mail-in balloting, the reason why we require people legally, typically, historically, to either appear in person or to have a sworn affidavit and a witness and it goes to the U.S.
	Post Office and there's no third-party ballot harvesters involved, is because that's the big risk point.
	That's where you can buy ballots, that's where you can steal ballots, that's where you can make up ballots.
	And the biggest evidence of ballot fraud scandals over the past half century has come in the mail-in ballot space, and we have no less authority than President Jimmy Carter himself, who said that in the 2005 Commission of Carter-Baker report after the 2000 disputed election.
	So, to the credit of Democrats, they filed selective litigation and got executive officials, including even some Republican officials like Georgia, to change the rules in secret overnight.
	Without going to the legislative branch, which is what the Constitution requires.
	So my view has always been there was a constitutionally questionable number of ballots that were greater than the margin of victory, and that has always been the legal standard for setting aside the election in any context in any case.
	And I think we just see more and more evidence of it, and we're seeing more and more of the means of it, whether it was Zuckerberg buying off election boards and election bodies throughout the country with large amounts of non-profit money being spent, the way the rules were changed that now courts in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, state legislatures in Arizona and Georgia have recognized was not correct, that we did not have a constitutional conforming presidential election in 2020.
	That's a great way of putting it.
	Great way of putting it.
	Not constitutionally conforming election.
	That's why he's Robert Barnes.
	That's why he's a lawyer.
	and that's why he's got a photograph with Wesley Sleip on the shelf behind him as we talk to him.
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	Robert Barnes, I love what you said about your advice to the president.
	I...
	I took my life in my hands when I went to Trump Tower not long after the election to talk about election integrity and I was sitting there in front of the desk with two other people And I said to myself, I've worked for President Trump in the White House as his deputy.
	I got nothing to lose now.
	I'm going to tell him that half of the stuff he's being told is garbage and he's got to ignore it and what he really needs to focus on.
	And I'll share it with you, Robert.
	I said, You don't have time.
	A forensic case about algorithms and computer databases in Venezuela would take five years to prove in a court of law.
	When you're in a battle with an enemy, you don't worry about the tank regiment four miles away over the horizon.
	You worry about the guy with the bayonet in front of you trying to stick it in your belly.
	And when you're talking about cities like Atlanta, like Philly and Chicago, they're just steel elections, old School!
	Photocopying ballots, handwriting them, stuffing them in the boxes.
	You focus on the five meter target.
	When you've got governors in my state in the Commonwealth of Virginia for the first time ever saying Check signatures?
	We don't need to check those stinking signatures!
	You realize that they are stealing an election.
	Given all the things you know, what we witnessed, the cowardice of judges unwilling to hear, even hear, the merits of a case, where are we right now?
	How do we stop it happening again?
	I can't wait for Dinesh's movie.
	April, it's called 2000 Mules.
	People will be shocked.
	Democrats will be shocked.
	But give us your analysis of what happened in the last year and can we stop, I don't care what party they're from, can we stop election theft in America?
	Absolutely.
	And really, there are sort of three approaches.
	One is legislative reform, making legislatures do their job to make the rules clear so that what happened in 2020 cannot happen again.
	Secondly, litigating selectively good cases, as people have done in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in particular, but also elsewhere, to challenge the existing rules and policies that allowed that to happen in 2020 and get courts to rule, no, you can't do it, as courts in both Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have ruled.
	And then third, the court of public opinion is constantly significant.
	A lot of ordinary people forget that what Barack Obama said is true.
	Elections are very local in terms of how they are counted.
	Get involved.
	Ordinary people can be volunteers.
	Ordinary people can get elected at some of those commissioner positions.
	And had that happened, a lot of this wouldn't have happened.
	A lot of people were asleep at the wheel because they forgot their own individual power to have a supervisory role because elections are so determined by your local neighborhood precinct.
	Be there.
	Be involved.
	Be engaged.
	Watch the process.
	Supervise the process.
	Monitor the process.
	Learn the rules.
	Understand the rules.
	Use things like the Open Records Act to keep officials accountable.
	When you do the combination of those things, it becomes very, very hard for them to steal another election.
	And are you seeing requisite action being taken either at the national level by the GOP or by actors at the state level?
	Are you satisfied, Robert?
	At the local level, absolutely.
	At the national level, still disappointing.
	I mean, the Republican National Party raised hundreds of millions of dollars in the name of fixing our elections and almost none of that money went to actually fixing our elections.
	They should actually pay up what people paid into to make sure that happens.
	Help organize at a national level a local level.
	In other words, they can coordinate organization and invest in litigation and legislative reform in ways that it's not always easy to do at a local level.
	They should be using that money for what it was intended for to make sure we have honest elections going forward.
	Do you have any idea why they're not?
	You know, that's a good question.
	I mean, I think part of it, when I got down to Georgia, found out that the president's lawyers who were giving him bad advice actually represented the Georgia Secretary of State.
	I was like, all right, there's a little conflict there.
	We used to call that conflict of interest.
	But I think there's still too much of that.
	I think there's politicians who would like to be able to control the process, don't want to empower the ordinary person.
	They think maybe down the road, they could benefit from some of these questionable, constitutionally questionable rules.
	And whatever their reason or motivation, or they think there's a better place to spend money.
	Like in Georgia, they thought it was better to spend money on radio and TV ads than on a constitutional conforming recount.
	Well, that backfired entirely.
	So I think there's part of them up there that still believe that.
	Plus, as you know from the DC world, there's a lot of people up there that are connected to the Republican Party that say, what is in this for me?
	And the political consulting class says, I don't see any money for me in election law reform or local election activism or election litigation.
	And that's a big part of the problem.
	The swamp just be the swamp.
	The swamp just be the swamp.
	I don't think he was too woke.
	He was the exact opposite.
	You know what woke means?
	It means you're a loser.
	Everything woke.
	Everything woke.
	It's true.
	Before you came on this show, we were communicating, Robert, and you had an idea that I still think is a superb idea to have an anti-Southern poverty law centre to fight the defamation, the massive, wide-scale, industrial smear machine that the left has.
	When you look at what's happened to President Trump, you look at what happened to Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, even my subpoena by the January 6th Committee, despite the fact that I was nowhere near Congress, On January the 6th.
	Can you give us your analysis of... What are you politically, Robert?
	Are you a conservative?
	I would say independent.
	I describe myself as a constitutional conservative.
	Sometimes I disagree with some of my conservatives.
	I don't agree that vaccine mandates were ever right.
	There were a few conservative friends of mine that thought the state did have that power, or that the employer had that power.
	I don't.
	Constitution first, and my version of conservatism is rooted in that.
	And I think that that is key and I think there's no quite like so I started an organization Let me just let me let me ask the question from that perspective as a constitutional conservative Why haven't we taken this seriously?
	I mean, I know we had Kash Patel on recently.
	He's created an organization to fight the defamation.
	But why have conservatives not really created a response to what is a massively effective weapon?
	They have a machine that has one goal, to make sure decent conservatives don't serve in public office.
	Why has there not been a response to that from our side, Robert Barnes?
	I think it's because of the individual streak of conservatives that we don't think in terms of organization in ways that the left does.
	And in particular, I think also the left values litigation as an example much better than the right does.
	So, you know, Andrew McCabe gets exposed as the fraud he is, and the left gives him over 600 grand to cover all his legal fees within 24 hours.
	Whereas, you know, the Covington kids didn't have those kind of resources.
	So those are examples, and there's been a lot of examples like that, where the right has been slow to realize their organizational power.
	It's the genius and beauty of the trucker convoy.
	That it reminded the right there's a right way to do organization.
	There's a right way to help collectively support causes that matter and for litigation and other legal purposes and politically effective purposes.
	But the right has been very slow and behind the eight ball and the left has dominated in that space like they did in 2020 in the election space.
	They were the only people bringing litigation.
	That's why they got to write the rules.
	But it's not as if the right doesn't have money.
	So there are donors.
	What is it going to take to convince the people, the billionaires, the center millionaires, to actually pay money for stuff that matters and not for another full-page ad in the Washington Times?
	Exactly.
	I think twofold.
	That more and more of them need to recognize and realize that the establishment in Washington is not the place to trust, to entrust your resources for political change and social change that matters.
	And secondly, look at cases like, I took on the Covington kids case for free.
	I was able to get retractions and corrections by media institutions that had never issued it.
	Even Ilan Omar actually managed to delete a tweet that she never deletes.
	Well done.
	Exactly, so it's to give an example.
	So here's a roadmap of how this can be impactful, that can change the world around you.
	And the reality is, as the left has figured out, legal action, independent media, these are the places to support.
	Because these are the places that make real change last.
	The Bill Crystals of the world will just spend your money on another cocktail party.
	What is your advice to public figures?
	I mean, God bless Nick Sandman and the Covington kids.
	May he, you know, retire before he ever gets his first job.
	But when we have public figures like myself or the president who, you know, are called white supremacists, Nazis, despite the fact my father, you know, defended his Jewish classmates under Nazi occupation.
	I am a massively pro-Israeli conservative.
	The Sullivan vs. New York Times case of, what is it, 1972 that says public figures must demonstrate malice on behalf of the slime merchant when they are sliming you.
	Is there anything we can do about that?
	Do we have to have a test case or go to the Supreme Court to kind of reverse the completely absurd libel laws we have in America?
	I think we just need better clarity at what those laws mean, because my view is there's been an undue deference to the institutional media about the meaning of actual malice.
	Like, actual malice is just supposed to be reckless.
	And so I support that constitutionally as a First Amendment standard.
	I like it.
	Explain that.
	Can you unpack that for those who aren't lawyers?
	How the interpretation should be fixed?
	Sure.
	So the real interpretation is just, I wrote something that I had reason to know was false, that was available to me.
	But what's happening is they require you to prove it before you're allowed to get evidence.
	And that's not what the First Amendment standard was ever supposed to mean.
	So like Sarah Palin's case currently pending against the New York Times, you know, initially the lower court dismissed it because they said, you have to prove your case before you get to discovery.
	Court of Appeals said, no, no, actually that's never been the right standard.
	And that's why she got the chance to take it to a jury trial.
	And we found out lots of interesting things about what the New York Times had been up to in their own internal communications.
	So I think we have to make it clear.
	You don't have to have the evidence yet to be able to get a right to discover that evidence.
	When you have a reasonable belief that the media institution was careless and reckless about how they told their story.
	But it sounds like there has to be a court determination, case by case, for you to be allowed to proceed.
	Yes, yes.
	And I think that, of the balance, I still favor that because my concern is that if we liberalize the rules of libel, they will be disproportionately used by our legal system against the outsider, against the independent media, against the conservative media, more than they will hold the New York Times of the world accountable.
	So that's where I like that balance legally, but there's a much better way to administer it than the courts have in the last few decades.
	But all that means is you're back to the lottery of this specific judge, no?
	Yes.
	And that's the reality, unfortunately, of our legal system writ large, as the president discovered in our election cases, unfortunately.
	That's the one big conclusion of the last two years, dear friends.
	It doesn't matter what you care about.
	The First Amendment, the Second Amendment, libel, drug addiction, the border.
	The thing that matters the most in this nation is the massive lacuna, the huge sucking chest wound that is a lack of courage.
	Whether it's judges, whether it's business owners, whether it's journalists, It's lack of courage.
	It is the one virtue that makes all the other virtues possible.
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	Thank you.
	Robert, you said at the beginning of our discussion, you've worked for everybody.
	You've worked for all kinds of clients across the political spectrum.
	I'm just curious, this is a personal question that I end up asking just as a human being to several of our guests, especially those that have to live and work on Capitol Hill.
	Are there any normal Democrats left in power?
	I mean, because the only answer I see to some kind of return to normalcy is that this radicalized party that wouldn't allow JFK in today if he were a politician, that that party has to have a massive psychic crash and has to look into its soul, has to have a drubbing that that party has to have a massive psychic crash and has to look into its soul, has to have a drubbing at
	Are there any decent Democrats left in positions of influence and power, or do we have to wait for that internal crisis?
	I mean, I think, you know, other than Senator Manchin from West Virginia, which shows, you know, streaks of that of that old school blue collar Democratic independence.
	One of my other clients has that in the court of public opinion, but doesn't hold official office.
	But it gives you an idea of where the world is, to your point about JFK, Bobby Kennedy Jr., who's constantly attacked by the Democratic left and the institutional media.
	And here you have the most famous son of the most famous Democratic political family in the history of America.
	And he's the target of constant, continuous criticism just because he says liberty is still a good idea for the world in America, despite, you know, COVID or anything else.
	So I think that right now, the purge that the Clintons did for their own favorites and then the effect of the Obama administration brought in and elevating one group and denying another group, going back to the Bob Casey debate in the early 1990s.
	I think it's hurt the Biden administration because that's why they've been so clueless and they're now in the 30s of approval is because of that lack of connection to the traditional blue collar base of the Democratic Party.
	Well, not just that.
	I think it's also, it really is, you know, it's not even a B team, it's a Delta team.
	The people who are running policy are really, there's no big minds in the administration.
	Last minute we have with you, Robert, what is the biggest thing we're not paying attention to in politics or in law?
	What should our millions of listeners and viewers pay more attention to?
	That even if the Democrats suddenly decide that they're going to walk back all of these crazy restrictions they've been imposing over the last two years, we need to continue to support legal and public actions to make sure this can't happen again down the road.
	Because the precedent they set is perilous.
	If they can issue home arrest orders, take away our businesses, deny us our travel rights, force our kids not to go to school, and say that they own our bodies, that's not a legal precedent.
	We don't want Korematsu to become the precedent for the future.
	And so continue to fight in the court of public opinion about the real history, because we saw from the Biden administration, they're going to pretend that they were never for lockdowns, as an example.
	Continue to expose that, but also continue to support public and legal actions that make sure this, what just happened over the last two years, cannot happen again.
	Fabulous, that went far too quickly.
	Those who recommended you did a good job.
	Will you come back to America First, Robert Barnes?
	Oh, always, happy to.
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