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Jan. 25, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka
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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Sleepy Joe really doesn't like Pete Doocy.
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And I believe, and I hope, maybe it won't happen, it's possible, but I won't be given a little reset button like Hillary.
Here, press this piece of plastic.
I looked at her like, what is she doing?
There's no reset button.
We're either going to get along or we're not.
I hope we get along, but if we don't, that's possible too.
I would like for us to get along every day.
If we don't, so be it.
Welcome, dear friends.
This is America First with me, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist of that man when he was the 45th President of the United States.
And I remain a member of the National Security Education Board, thanks to President Trump, because Joe Biden is too much of a coward to try and get rid of me and the other Trump appointee on that Pentagon panel.
That was... Jeff, do you remember?
Was I right?
Was that really very, very early on?
That cut?
Yeah, it was like a week or two before he was inaugurated, yeah.
Right, and that was at Trump Tower, wasn't it?
Yes.
Okay, so I remembered well, and Jeff of course can find it because that's why we have the best producer in radio here on America First.
That was prior To President Trump's inauguration.
I do believe it was the press conference in Trump Tower when he, do you remember that visual, this huge stack of papers, two foot high stack of papers on the table and he was signing over control of the Trump Organization to Eric Trump and his family, his sons, to run it in his absence as he took his position in the White House.
And in the press conference at the end, I remember it as it was happening at the time, because the whole Russia thing had already been percolating, the Steele dossier, that scurrilous rag of calumny and smear tactics was wending its way around various newspapers here in DC.
Well, somebody asked the question, what about Russia?
What about Putin?
And his instincts just kicked in.
Absolutely the right answer.
And I saw it in the White House.
He wasn't interested in kicking hornets' nests unnecessarily, especially with a nuclear power that has 11 time zones and sits with veto powers on the UN Security Council.
But he was a pragmatist.
A man who'd never held public office before, who hadn't been sworn in, who'd won his election to the presidency the first time he ran for president.
That man gave the right answer.
In theory, I'd like to have good relations with Russia for all the geopolitical reasons I've just mentioned.
However, If that's not possible, so be it!
The ultimate pragmatist, after eight years of what?
Having the idealist, one-world, kumbaya globalism of Obama and Biden, where they looked at the world as they would wish it to be, not as it truly is.
Along comes a man who's a businessman, who for 50 years has been building stuff.
You can't build skyscrapers on wishes, on good intentions.
You've got to do it in the real world, with engineering, with mathematics, with facts.
Right now we are on the precipice, the precipice of a war in Europe.
Now, it's very difficult as conservatives, sometimes, to have the requisite amount of time to explain what we wish to do.
I could spend three hours talking about Russian policy.
But I'll say just this.
Everything we did for four years in the White House was indicative of one mantra.
If you are a friend, we will be your friend.
If you are our enemy, we will treat you like our enemy.
And if you threaten us, we will destroy you.
We had been told for years by the prior incumbent that the global jihadism of ISIS was just a problem we have to get used to.
Obama actually called it a generational threat.
It would last for at least 20 years.
So al-Qaeda wasn't enough, now ISIS gets another 20 years to bite at the apple and kill Americans, kill our enemies, destabilize multiple regions of the world.
And sorry America, you just have to live with it.
Well, we had a different plan.
It was called the de-ISIS plan, the defeat-ISIS plan.
We came into the White House.
Steve Bannon identified the target group of the physical caliphate of ISIS, stretching into multiple countries larger than the size of the United Kingdom.
And we told the president, we need to destroy the physical caliphate.
And we can.
And something which had been sold to us is just something Americans have to get used to.
The YouTube videos, the front pages, the headlines of Americans in orange jumpsuits being decapitated, or our allies being burnt alive in cages, as happened with that Jordanian fighter pilot captured behind ISIS enemy lines.
Just get used to it.
No.
We got the lawyers out of the way.
We unleashed our tier one assets from Bragg, from Coronado, from places you can't even mention on radio.
And in less than six months, truly, it's stupendous.
God bless every single one of our war fighters.
In five months, the Caliphate ceased to be.
Gone, destroyed, rubble, a sheet of glass, with its leaders hiding on the run until they too, along with the great efforts of Conan the War Dog, were hunted down and destroyed.
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, dead as well.
That sent a very clear message.
As did this little cut from President Trump over a state dinner in Mar-a-Lago with the dictator of the largest communist nation in the world, Xi Jinping.
He regaled Fox News I was sitting at the table.
We had finished dinner.
We're now having dessert.
And we had the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake that you've ever seen.
And President Xi was enjoying it.
I was sitting at the table.
We had finished dinner.
We're now having dessert.
And we had the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake that you've ever seen.
And President Xi was enjoying it.
And I said, Mr. President, let me explain something to you.
This is during dessert.
What happens, as I said, we've just launched 59 missiles heading to Iraq.
Well, you're headed to Syria.
Yes, heading toward Syria.
I'm hungry all of a sudden.
The most beautiful chocolate cake you've ever seen.
Oh, by the way, I've just dropped 50 cruise missiles on the Syrian air base that has chemical weapons in it.
Oh, yeah, I just thought I'd tell you that, Xi Jinping.
And that's a message for the Mullahs in Iran.
That's a message for Vlad in Moscow.
That's a message for little Kim in Pyongyang.
America is back!
12 months of Biden and we have 127,000 troops on the Ukrainian border, right next to NATO nations like Hungary and the Baltic states.
What's going to happen?
Not this week.
What's going to happen for the next three years?
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
That's just the beginning.
We're going to unpack all of this and more with our great guest, Kurt Schlichter, Conrad Black, Kash Patel, former Chief of Staff of the Pentagon under Trump presidency and the great Scott Atlas.
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This is America First.
This is America First.
I'm sorry.
So why is Putin doing all this stuff?
Well, on Saturday, Britain accused Moscow of developing plans to install a pro-Russian leader in Ukraine.
Oh, Ukraine, you don't want that.
He was like, no, not you.
That was great.
I have to watch that whole press conference.
I love it.
Cut a loving.
So why is Putin doing all this stuff?
Well, on Saturday, Britain accused Moscow of developing plans to install a pro-Russian leader in Ukraine.
Oh, Ukraine, you don't want that.
We just got rid of our pro-Russian leader and he was a disaster.
How stupid are those people?
They're seals.
Can you give me a six?
Six.
Joining us now, Dr. Anthony Fauci, Chief Medical Advisor to President Biden.
Dr. Fauci, first and foremost, I always want to say thank you for being here, and more importantly, thank you for your life's work.
Thank you for all that you do.
With Colbert, I'll never forget that one clip from his show, like, the day after Trump fired Comey.
Because remember, the left hated Comey for not, like, backing up Hillary Clinton.
So then when he announced it, you know, he's just been fired by Donald Trump.
The whole audience goes nuts, like, cheering.
And he's caught off guard.
He's like, whoa, we've got a lot of Donald Trump fans in the audience tonight.
And the audience realized, like, wait, we weren't supposed to applaud for that?
I need, um... Are we dialing up filter?
You want me to dial them up now?
Can you give me eight?
Eight.
Look, uh, I know Barry West.
Not well.
She's been on the show.
I actually like her.
Barry, that was messed up.
And Bill Maher.
Because, look, we were all sick of cancer when my dad died of it.
Hang on.
But that didn't change the fact that he suffered from it and died.
I was sick of COVID when my dear friend Robbie Brown died of it.
He did not, not die of it.
Because I was sick of it.
Okay, and uh, he's on the line.
There we go.
Ah!
The good Colonel!
How are ya?
Good, good, good, good.
You don't have a headset?
I do.
Thanks.
Take a look, doofy.
Hold on.
That's alright.
We don't, we don't invite you for your good looks, okay?
That's your loss.
There we are.
So, let's talk, when is your article coming out?
Is that the Thursday piece?
It'll be Thursday, there's a different one coming out tomorrow.
Okay, cool.
Alright, let's just talk about, let's walk through, you know, people have to read it, but let's walk through the scenarios.
Okay.
Are you enjoying the Pete Doocy story?
I just find that hilarious.
You know, the thing is, the whole hypocrisy thing, Let's come in with that.
Let's come in with Biden saying anybody who disrespects the press would be fired.
Let's come in with number four.
Cut four.
Yep.
Coming in with cut four.
Standby.
30 seconds.
Coming in with cut four.
We've got Israel here.
And yep, 30 seconds.
Yep.
Standby.
Standing by. Standing
by. Standing by.
America First with Sebastian Gorka But I'm not joking when I say this.
If you're ever working with me and I hear you treat another colleague with disrespect, talk down to someone, I promise you I will fire you on the spot.
I guess you have to fire yourself since you caught, what did he call, he said son of a bitch, stupid son of a bitch to Pete Doocy, one of the few actual journalists in the White House.
So, um, fire yourself.
We're gonna have fun with that later with Lord Conrad Black, but now we have to talk geopolitics Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
Car washes with senior town hall correspondent, senior writer for townhall.com, a man who is an author, who is a, I don't know, what shall we say, an intellectual bomb thrower extraordinaire.
He's our good friend.
Kurt Schlichter, welcome back to America First.
Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
And I want to make sure that you don't overlook the real problem with what President Biden said.
By calling him a SOB, he not only misgendered, potentially, Mr. Ducey, but Mr. Ducey's birthing parent.
Oh my- I didn't- I didn't even think of- Right?
How- how dare he presume the gender of Ms.
Mx.
Doocy and his birthing parent?
Exactly.
And it's speciest.
Yes!
I mean, they're- they're assuming- It could be a cat!
About some mother- a cat?
A lemur?
Perhaps one of the contagious virus monkeys that's loose in Pennsylvania.
We don't know.
This being has not been inquired of how it identifies.
This is a hate crime.
This is a hate crime on multiple levels.
Multiple levels.
I think this has to be the article after next for your town hall articles.
I think so too.
I'm literally shaking.
All right, let's leave that aside.
We'll wait for that next week.
We'll talk about the misgendering of White House correspondents.
I was actually texting Pete last night.
I said, God bless you, Pete.
You're just hilarious.
And I'm going to show the clip after we've got rid of Kurt, but his graciousness, his humor on fox afterwards afterwards when his colleagues were talking about it god bless you pete god bless steve docey you've got a fabulous sunday you should be proud of okay let's get let's get war collegey come on put your war college demeanor on colonel schlichter colonel k um 9 000 u.s troops arrayed against 127 000 russian combat forces um
Talk to us, walk us through the scenarios.
You very, if I'm allowed to talk, you know, out of school, sent me a draft for your, one of your upcoming articles at Town Hall.
Superb military analysis of what this actually means in the various scenarios.
I want everybody to follow you at Kurt Schlichter on Twitter.
I want them to read your articles at Town Hall.
But for the uninitiated who haven't, Played golf for a year whilst at the War College.
Would you walk us through the military realities of what we're talking about?
Well, let's do what all my smart mentors said.
Step one, get out a map.
First of all, look at the big picture map.
You've got the Baltics kind of coming around up here.
You got Poland and Romania over here, and then you got Ukraine underneath, and then you got Belarus, which seems to be kind of a Russian puppet, kind of in between.
You're looking at that, and you and I both know a little history of Russia.
They've been invaded a number of times.
They're probably looking at this going, you know, we're feeling encircled.
And again, I want to emphasize this, because people have gotten grief for pointing out what the enemy is thinking.
It's not siding with Putin.
To explain what he's doing doesn't mean you're on his side, guys.
No, no, no.
One of the key steps in military decision-making process is understanding what the enemy is thinking.
It doesn't mean they're right.
You don't have to agree with them.
But you need to know that if you're going to fight and win.
Now, of course, our military has focused on other things like trans awareness and Uh, getting those terribly dirty, unvaxxed people out of the ranks.
Uh, but just think of me as being classic military, like classic Coke, and the new military is the new Coke.
And of course, new Coke's not around anymore.
So let's break it down.
8,000 troops is nothing, correct?
I mean, if you look at the- 8,000 troops is a brigade and a half, and that's assuming they're actually talking about a brigade.
I would, I would guess.
That they are probably talking about some support elements.
Yes.
Probably some air elements.
It's not all army, not all ground pounders.
Probably putting some of those in Romania and Poland.
I would think that there would be a large number of intel people.
Look, that would be what I would surge forward.
I would surge forward intel people because I want to pick up every electronic transmission those Russians send during their attack.
I want to see everything they do.
And I want to take careful notes.
Remember, if we defend, Russia and China will both be doing that on our equipment.
Yeah, but as somebody, you know, a friend of mine used to run the Russia Institute in the good old days.
Do we even have those capabilities after 20 years of forever wars in the Middle East, Kurt?
Do you think that the DIA actually can do requisite EW or your SIGINT intercepts in theater today?
I would hope so.
I mean, that would be That's kind of baseline military capacities in the modern era.
The electronic battle space is central to any kind of operations.
And if we're not prepared there, we might as well just pack it in.
So, you know, I would search for forces designed to read what they're doing.
Now, how about stopping them?
Again, you pull out the map.
Camp is about 50 miles, maybe even a little less, right south of Belarus.
There's multiple freeways in there, multiple axis of advance.
And that, you know, it looks to me, and I went and trained in Ukraine four times, I deployed with a battalion... You worked with the Ukrainians, training them, correct?
I did, and you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not Joe Ukrainian, but I know a little about them, I've been there.
What were they like, what were they like professionally, Kurt?
Very tough.
Tough, stubborn guys.
Not fancy, not subtle.
They're Russians.
And you know what that means.
I mean, they're like Russians.
Don't tell that to Ukrainians.
Let's just say that they're Slav.
They have a Slavic toughness.
And there's a lot to admire about them.
You know, you don't want to, you know, and about the Russians in the sense you don't want to run down your opponent artificially.
They're not a joke.
They're very tough people.
They endured the unendurable during World War Two, turned it around and took unholy vengeance on the Nazis.
These are serious folks.
They have problems.
They have deficits.
They have weaknesses, and some of those weaknesses are cultural, in that they have a different view of command and control, a different view of, I guess, military entrepreneurship than we would.
You know, I'm one of the generation that was still trained to kill Russians coming across the border.
I was there in Par 7 Corps at the end of the Cold War, and, you know, I remember We did training exercises.
About 15 years later, all the captains and everything were like, I don't know how I'm supposed to fight a conventional fight.
And all us colonels were like, well, let me tell you.
Yeah.
Let me tell you a story of the Cold War, of a man who's actually been there, seen it, done it, whether it was in the Ukraine, whether it was in the Balkans, whether it was in the Gulf.
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I see you joined locals.
When did you do that?
Oh, I did about a year ago.
It's kind of a fun little community.
Yeah.
I post a lot of new stuff, and I post all my stuff there.
Everybody, go to OnLocals, become a Kurt Schlichter supporter.
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A little pun on my wife, who also escaped from a comm in this country.
You're such a racist.
You're such... You hate immigrants.
You're such a racist.
I'm awful.
Classic conservative.
Won't even come on a show run by an immigrant.
I mean, seriously, dude?
All right.
I gotta say, this whole Ukraine thing, I just look at that map and I'm thinking, I grabbed Kiev and I've got everything I want.
Yeah, I'm so glad you mentioned that.
I mean, it's rule number one and nobody even talks about it.
Get a flipping map out, okay?
Look at the geopolitics of just geography, because geography, there's one thing you can't change and it's called geography.
Yes.
You can't change geography and you can't get more time.
I can get you any other resource.
Bingo.
I can get you bullets, gas, ammo, butter, people.
I can't get you more time.
I can't change the geography.
Yeah.
I can maybe with engineers a little bit.
A little bit?
On the fringes?
On the fringes.
I can get you a river crossing.
A few pontoons.
You can have a few pontoons.
Yeah, I'm looking at that thinking, You know, you grab that, the whole country... The advantage they've got is all that space.
Yes.
Right?
It's the classic Russian-Ukrainian thing of space.
Right.
And temperature, winter, right?
I think they'd probably be about equal in winter.
Frozen ground they'll be able to move as soon as it hits spring.
Right.
That's going to slow them down.
If I were Putin, I'd do a lightning multi-axis attack on Kiev.
Kiev.
Maybe Kharkov.
They're not going to fight for Kiev because that will destroy the town.
So they will give that up.
You grab that.
You install your own guy.
The rest of the country comes around more or less.
Remember, these guys fought Stalin for 10 years after World War II.
Yeah, they had the party zones literally in the forest for a decade.
For a decade.
And there's lots of forest and lots of open ground.
So you've got, I mean, you've got places fairly easy to patrol.
Other places, Putin doesn't have the numbers to occupy Ukraine.
Right.
He has to decapitate rapidly.
That would be what I would do.
That's what he's got to be thinking.
And, you know, who are we going to put in the way?
We don't have any heavy armor in Europe.
Not like we did.
Are you going to put the 82nd in there?
They're not backed up by close air power, unless we start putting bases in Ukraine.
Are we going to do flight missions from Poland?
Can you imagine what the Poles are thinking right now, Kurt?
Well, the Poles are thinking, It's all going to end up badly, but I'm going to kill a lot of them before it's done.
I get to kill a lot of Russians.
25 seconds relief here.
We're all going to die, but so are a lot of them.
All right.
20 seconds. 20 seconds.
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That's a great asset.
More inflation.
What a stupid son of a bitch.
That's the nice old guy the Democrats elected.
Yeah, because Donald Trump was so rude, right?
We're back with Kurt Schlichter calling Pete Doocy!
I mean, come on!
Big blond boy scout!
Lovely chap!
An SOB.
That's who Sleepy Creepy Joe is.
We're back with the author of the Kelly Turnbull series.
What are you on?
Is it number six, Kurt?
I'm writing number seven as we speak.
I just turned in my manuscript to Regnery, another Salem property folks, for the Fall and Rise of America.
And I actually did an extra revision of the China chapter just today to correct some things about DF-21 missiles.
He sleeps as little as President Trump does.
He's unstoppable.
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In the break, for those of you viewing on Rumble, you saw this, we were talking about the realities of war in Eastern Europe, the importance of geography, weather.
Let's see Let's go through, I think you're right, we'll just quickly summarize that.
Rapid decapitation, take Kiev, install your puppet regime, maybe one or two other cities, and then take over the Ukraine.
What happens next?
Talk to us about the next three years of Biden or Cackler or whoever.
Is this going to be a domino effect that next it's Taiwan, then it's, you know, Pyongyang taking action against Japan?
What is Colonel Kaye's War College predictions?
Well, look, I think it's easier to ask yourself, what is a good strategic and tactical reason for the Chinese not to strike at Taiwan within the next three years?
What is the thing that would stop them?
American forces are weaker than a year ago because one of our ships went offline because a sailor allegedly set it on fire.
And the sailors didn't know how to put out a fire.
I would give you odds that they were 100% caught up in their trans awareness training, though their firefighting training was apparently deficient.
But what would stop you if you were Xi?
Nothing.
You think the Germans are going to suddenly stop trading with the Chinese?
Maybe the Americans will for a little while.
And then, you know, the Walmarts and the Costcos.
And everybody's going to start calling their senators and saying, hey, I can't get my cheap garbage to sell to Americans.
It's not like they're going to want to buy it here.
Are Americans going to care if the alleged 80 million that voted for the senile old man in the White House, if we see Ukraine fall, if we see Poland threatened, if we see Taiwan threatened or Taiwan fall, what will be, do you think, as an astute observer of the domestic political scene, what will the ramifications be for the Democrats and for Biden?
We found out after the Afghanistan abomination that a number of people had buyer's remorse.
I think there were a lot of people who, you know, they were the apocryphal, mean tweets people.
And I actually went and interviewed one for my podcast on Town Hall VIP, which you can all join, and I just let him talk because I wanted to see what someone who wasn't a bomb thrower like me, but was conservative, was a Republican, thought.
And he was very, very disturbed about the president's mean tweets, essentially, and his personality.
But boy, I started talking about Afghanistan or CRT, and it was like Dr. Jekyll.
Really?
Even CRT?
Oh, especially CRT.
And this was what stupid racist people would call a person of color.
A northern European ancestry like myself.
But he is a classic Republican family man, good job, works hard, well-educated, lives in an affluent area, the quintessential gentry.
Donald Trump was not his cup of tea personally, but boy, Afghanistan, offended him in the core of his being, and CRT, Dr. Gorka, like a Minuteman missile up to the sky.
I actually kind of moved back.
He was having none of it.
Well, I think it's happening across the country.
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When is the book coming out?
When is Tom Spence, Regnery, going to get it out there?
July 12th, and I hope to come to Washington DC.
We will have you in studio.
God bless.
I would love that.
Thank you, Colonel K. This is America First.
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Thank you, Colonel K.
Hey, thank you for having me.
It's always fun to talk about, you know, it's nice to be with a guy who's associated with the military who, when I talk about weather, doesn't think I mean climate change.
And congrats on getting your manuscript in.
Well done.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it.
Tony Daniels, the one editing it, he seems to like it.
And it's such a pleasure to work with a pro, because I get stuff back, and it makes it better when he says, this isn't clear.
And they're so quick.
They had my books done and dusted in less than two months.
It was incredible.
Yeah, it's going to be a little while getting it out.
In that time, I'm already writing number seven.
Teleturnable seven.
Unstoppable.
You know, if you're a fan of some old movies like Where Eagles Dare... Oh, yeah!
Somebody made this great point about Where Eagles Dare.
If you watch Where Eagles Dare, there was some kick-ass, you know, deadly women in there, but nobody banged you over the head that, oh, here's a woman who's 60 pounds and she can take down a guy.
No, no.
Pulls out that silenced PPK, kills the Nazi, and nobody said, you know, we're ramming gender politics down your throat.
It was just a good story!
Well, you know, when I first joined the Count Guard, they had someone in the State Military Reserve.
She was a resistance fighter in France.
A real one.
Not like everybody was in the resistance in France, but she really was.
Wow.
And she was still working with us, elderly.
You know, she'd do personnel and stuff.
And it's like, you know, tough as nails, lady.
I'm not going to cross her.
Old school.
Very cool.
All right.
55 seconds.
Thanks, buddy.
Be good.
All right.
Adios.
Bye.
Cut 9.
Can you play me Cut 9?
To some extent, things are better.
I mean, today we had the President of the United States refer to a reporter as an SOB.
You know, Don, you and I got called a lot worse back in the day.
We never got an apology.
I don't remember that from the Commander-in-Chief.
No.
So, maybe things are a little bit better or something.
Not at all.
If you don't believe it, just check social media.
You can go back and just look.
Things worked.
Can you come in with that?
And you can't, idiot, go back on social media because it's all been deleted.
Exact.
So stupid.
Can you go come in with that?
Alright, coming in with that cut.
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You know, to some extent, things are better.
I mean, today we had the President of the United States refer to a reporter as an S.O.B.
You know, Don, you and I got called a lot worse back in the day.
We never got an apology.
I don't remember that from the Commander-in-Chief.
No.
So, maybe things are a little bit better to some extent.
Not at all.
If you don't believe it, just check social media.
You can go back and just look.
They're such, oh my, a Costa, a Bilio, you put up with much worse, really?
Such a warrior.
And you can all look it up on social media, really.
Hey, Mr. G, what's the problem with, what's his face, what's that guy Lamont saying, you can look it up on social media?
Who's in the news, and that was probably one of the biggest news stories of last year, was Donald Trump being kicked off of all social media.
You can't look it up.
It's all deleted.
Oh, that's right.
The guy with 90 million followers was deleted.
Yes.
Yeah.
Don, you may want to look that up, okay?
The man with 90 million followers was deleted, but you're gonna look it up.
Unbelievable.
Let's go to your calls.
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He was dialing in.
I saw him the second we went live.
It's Don in L.A.
three three three four six seven five two he was dialing in i saw him the second we went live it's don in la hey don dr g what a pleasure We live an interesting time.
I was just thinking, Don, I was watching the footage of the Russian maneuvers on the screen here and I was thinking, you know what?
We never went to war with the Soviets for 40 years, but Biden might make it happen.
Well, you know, first, you know, I just want to say, being called a dumb S.O.B.
by Joe Biden is like being called ugly by a frog, but that's not the sidebar.
You know, well, the whole thing, I believe, Dr. G, I mean, not that Mr. Biden is the best one.
He's more like, he's like Grandpa running around on the front lawn with a gun.
Will somebody take the gun away from Grandpa, please, before he shoots himself?
The gun that has nuclear ballistic missiles on the tip.
Yes, right.
But yet, you know, deterrence is the way to go.
I think the main thing, the great point Mr. Schlichter just made, and you made, is, well, not unlike my fellow Finns, the Ukrainians are tough SOBs themselves, and they've been fighting Russians for literally centuries.
The Evan Rus, the Baranjan Kings, etc.
All they need, and all they've asked for, is the weapons to fight with.
You know, they said MREs are nice, you know, blankets are nice, but we need anti-aircraft, anti-tank, electronic warfare, artillery would be nice.
You know, they can get supplied by a lot of that stuff from the front line states.
The Balts, the, you know... Yeah, if they don't want to fight, give them the weapons.
And if you think, you know, the Russians killed 8 million Ukrainians under Stalin, I think there might be some unsettled business there.
What do you think, Dan?
I think they are ready to rock and roll.
Give them a bottle of vodka and a knife, and like the Finns, they'll do their job.
But the great thing, you know, as long as this has stuck a real sharp stick in the eye of NATO and woken a lot of people up.
You know, the frontline states, I mean, they're the newbie.
They know they're under the gun.
You know, the Germans, the French, they're getting a little soft, a little.
But these frontline guys, hey, they know we're next.
Well, they've been there.
They've been there.
They've been under the Soviet thumb for 40 years.
If you look at the Baltic states, if you look at Hungary, you're absolutely right, Don.
I like it.
Bottle of vodka and a bayonet and ask the Ukrainians to do some business.
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Hey, Dr. G, it's always good to talk to you.
But don't mind me saying, Vladimir Putin is going about this entirely wrong.
Why?
He needs to pull a page out of the Democratic Communist Party playbook.
He needs to put 20 million Russians into Ukraine seeking asylum.
Then after 5, 7, 10 years, throw in 5 or 10 million here, take over, hijack their political system, and then vote themselves back into the bloc.
You don't even have to fire a shot.
Yeah, he's actually been doing something very similar.
He's been smuggling quote-unquote refugees from the Middle East through Belarus into Ukraine.
So he's already been undermining that nation from the inside.
But I like the way you think.
Phil, since we got you on, I want to thank you.
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Hey, Dr. G, maybe a bumper sticker to send out with that, just a small one that says, Biden fled, Americans are dead.
Wow, that Phil, we're going to have to put you on the payroll, dude.
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Thank you.
So this is something interesting I just noticed and told Jeff about.
So you remember Robbie Starbuck, he's running for Congress.
The problem is that previously that was one of like the only two deep blue seats in Tennessee because it's where Nashville is.
But the redrawing, the redistricting, completely splits Nashville between like three different districts.
That whole area is red.
So that district is now from a D plus 9 to R plus 15.
So the incumbent Dem there said he's not running anymore.
Well, but that's not Starbucks.
It still is, I think.
Really?
So Starbuck is in?
Which means he could, if he wins that nomination, he's probably in.
Okay, one minute.
Got my pillow.
Want to go with any video cuts?
Still got...
Play the Biden cuts.
Uh... Yeah, I might do, um... Cut ten, yeah.
I might do cut ten.
You'll tee it up?
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I am just paint splatter all over the map, but from big band to rap to everything.
Big band to rap?
Country, huge, yeah.
That's pretty eclectic.
Eric?
I would say classic rock and country.
Classic rock and country, intriguing.
Mr. G?
Yes.
Music.
What's your favorite?
I don't listen to music.
I just listen to talk radio, mostly, anymore.
Guys, he's not joking.
I mean, this guy, if he's awake, he's probably got a podcast on or talk radio.
But you've heard of this guy Neil Young, Mr. G, right?
Yes.
I thought he was dead.
Did you know he was still alive?
I was surprised when I saw him.
It's the first time I've heard of him in a long time.
He looks dead.
He looks pretty dead.
So Neil Young has demanded from Spotify that they remove his music.
Why?
Because Joe Rogan is on Spotify and he does misinformation about COVID and ivermectin.
Dude, you're still irrelevant.
And even if you do this, you're going to remain irrelevant.
And I think the guy they paid $200 million for, I mean, they paid Joe $200 million for his 10 year back catalogue of podcasts.
I don't think they're going to cancel him in favour of you.
God bless Eric Clapton!
He's come out, he's given an interview.
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Gorka, how you doing today, buddy?
What's your question?
Impeachments.
Haven't somebody filed them?
I thought I heard early in that the impeachments would be filed on the top floor.
They were filed.
They were filed by Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Okay, well, hasn't enough crimes against the American people have been committed enough to get this through?
No!
How does an impeachment work?
Do you know how an impeachment works?
I wish it was by a bullet.
That's not impeachment, that's called political assassination, Sam.
Goodbye.
Impeachment for those who are not cretins.
Impeachment takes the leadership of the House to create an impeachment committee and investigation and you need to have what?
The majority of the members of the House.
We do not have the majority.
And then you need a super majority if the President is impeached in the House of the Senate to convict him.
Two-thirds.
So guys, that's why we have to shellac the Democrats in the midterms.
Take the House, take the Senate, and then we can start impeachment day one.
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with a cut for that segment?
I think you played the DJT cuts.
President Trump, Comet Biden, And war with Russia.
Okay.
Give me Conrad.
Is he connected?
Conrad?
Hey!
Greetings!
How are you, Sebastian?
I'm enjoying your historic discussion of the liminal status of the Ukraine.
Well, do you disagree with me?
No, I think it's, you know, this is the sad truth that nobody wants to talk about, that it really is a kind of schizophrenic part of the world.
It just never...
It never anchored itself successfully.
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What a stupid son of a bitch.
Sitting there in plain sight, not some surreptitiously recorded tape hidden under a desk during the Nixon administration, that is the current incumbent of the White House calling one of the best members of the White House Correspondents Association a stupid S.O.B.
How do we put that down in historic terms when it comes to American presidents?
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Lord Black, welcome back to America First!
Thank you, Sebastian.
We'll talk about that.
I don't know if it's a faux pas or not.
We can talk about that in the next segment.
But you have a fabulous piece in American Greatness.
You can follow Lord Black's writings at the Epoch Times, American Greatness and elsewhere, called Biden's Ukraine Scramble.
I want to talk about the comments you make with regards to some conservative commentators.
But first, halfway through you have a fabulous discussion on the The literal borderline status, the liminal quasi-schizophrenic status of Ukraine.
For those who aren't familiar, who haven't taken the time to look at the map of late, please share with our millions of listeners and viewers why the status of Ukraine really does have a large question mark behind it.
Well, it never took shape as a distinct nationality the way, say, the English did, or the Germans, or the French, or the Spanish, where they spoke the language they speak in the territory that they had generally defined the language, you know, the area of that language, and they developed gradually as, you know, as a people and then as a nation.
And in the case of Ukraine, and there's no wrap on them, it's just how history unfolded, it was a kind of battleground between The Poles, the Lithuanians, the Tatars, the further Western expansion of the Mongol movement under Genghis Khan and his successors, and the Russians.
And so it's a country that is a mixture of those neighbors, and the language Ukrainian is very similar to Russian, But about a sixth of the population, and especially those nearer Russia, speak Russian better than, or possibly only Russian, or Russian better than Ukrainian.
And so there's an ambiguity about it historically, and it was taken over altogether by Peter the Great in the early 18th century.
And so when the Soviet Union broke up, It seceded as a province, but it was only recreated as a province by the Bolsheviks under the Russians, the Romanovs, the Tsars.
It was just part of Russia.
Right.
It became this, quote-unquote, Soviet Republic, but only truly a nation after 91.
That's right.
And as a Soviet Republic, it was a scam.
It was just a geographic area.
And so, There is this ambiguity, and look, I am not one who has any great natural impulse to sympathize with the Kremlin, but there is some argument behind Putin's view that it isn't a real country.
But apart from that, just in realpolitik terms, being realistic, the Soviet Union was a superpower roughly on the same level as the United States until it suddenly disintegrated But Russia is a great historic nationality, and there was never any doubt that the Russians didn't altogether accept, durably or as a permanent factor, the secession of all of the other so-called republics.
And so I think if we could just stabilize things and get somebody who had the stature to conduct such negotiations on behalf of the West, if we could bring back Nixon and Kissinger or Reagan or I mean, frankly, I think even Bill Clinton could have done it if he focused on it.
I think there is room to give the Russians something, the Russian government.
I mean, if these Russians in Ukraine truly want to be Russians, they have a right to be Russians.
But on the other hand, Ukraine, as long as it undertakes to shape up You know, reduce the embezzlement, develop governmental structures that make it a credible country.
It's not really been successful with self-governance so far, but as long as they shape that up, they have a perfect right to enter NATO and the European Union, and it's none of Russia's business, as long as those Ukrainians who would rather be Russians are given something to satisfy them.
If I may, just for a second, Sebastian, this was the problem in Munich.
In 1938.
I mean, the British and French could not go to war to prevent Sudetenlanders from being Germans, so that's what they wanted, and that's what they did want.
Now, they mishandled it, and Chamberlain never should have represented it as a triumph, but he didn't have a good hand of cards to play.
Well, we have a much stronger hand here, but we've got to be a little careful.
I don't think we can just tell the Russians to go to hell and the Russians in Ukraine can just, you know, live and bear it, because that's not realistic.
But on the other hand, Putin can't simply invade a sovereign country in Europe and not have any repercussions for that.
Yeah, one thing's for sure.
I think you'll agree, having written the book on my former boss, that we wouldn't see 120,000 Russian troops on the Ukrainian border if he were still in the White House.
Let's turn to your analysis of things domestic in terms of how this is being interpreted.
And you have this passage where you say, at the same time some conservative commentators, including some of the stars at Fox News, are unreasonably accusing those who favor resisting Russian aggression in Ukraine of being warmongers and trying to propel America into endless useless wars again.
Why are we so often victims to such a pedestrian either or analysis of geopolitics in the United States?
The idea that if You have to choose between being a neo-conservative invading everybody's country or a neo-buchananite isolationist.
Surely America could be a little bit more nuanced in its analysis, especially on the right.
For a moment I thought you meant James Buchanan, not Pat.
No.
Look, I think the problem is our recent experience.
You remember after Vietnam, everyone was gun-shy.
And when there were disturbances in El Salvador and the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, the left-wing press was convinced it was going to be another Vietnam if the Reagan administration lifted a finger to help the anti-communists.
And I think we got over the Vietnam psychosis with the Gulf War under the first President Bush.
We took very few casualties and removed Saddam from Kuwait at the head of a large coalition.
Now I think some of the conservative commentators are just reflexively thinking, oh God, here we go again.
It's going to be like 20 years in Afghanistan or 15 years in Iraq and we're not going to get anywhere and it's just going to be another drain of people and resources.
And these things aren't the same.
And that's, in a way, an understandable reaction.
But it's just that.
It's a reflex.
It's not an analysis.
I mean, nobody, and I'm not one to come quickly to the defense of this administration, but nobody in this administration that I've heard is saying, let's have a war.
No one's saying, let's put boots on the ground and take casualties every week and have body bags coming back for the next 10 years from the middle of Europe.
No one's saying that, and no one's advocating anything that would lead to that.
And so I just caution And I'm referring, in some cases, to friends of mine, as well as people whom I don't know but generally agree with, not to, out of fatigue and not thinking it through, take a reflexive knee-jerk position, because no one is talking but plunging the United States into war in the middle of Europe, and it's not going to happen.
Yeah, but I'm not sure that the Cold Stone KGB colonel in the Kremlin is impressed with the likes of Antony Blinken or Biden talking about the fact that they might use sanctions, but only after military force is used by the Russian side, as we've seen in the last 20 years since he left His office assisting the the mayor of Moscow in St.
Petersburg that this man there is no sanction that has stopped Vladimir Putin to date when we sent anti-tank missiles to the government of Kiev in the Trump administration that gave him pause for thought but things happening right now seems to be a dollar late and A dollar short and a day late.
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I think it's a serious problem, especially when we're, you know, concerned about getting things to the store shelves on time.
Yes.
I mean, these truckers are tough people, you know, and they can't just be blowing away like a bunch of demonstrating students.
I mean, they're rough, tough guys, and they work hard, and they're relatively well paid, but it's a challenging job.
And they're right.
I mean, basically, they're right.
You can't treat them like this, and you're going to You know, I mean, the Mexican border is one thing, but a great deal more legitimate trade, ten times as much legitimate trade, comes across the Canadian border.
I mean, Canada's a G7 country, and it is, you know, it is America's greatest trading partner.
And, you know, we're going to do a lot of damage to both countries if we don't sort this out, so I assume it will be sorted out quite quickly.
Are they organized?
Do you have the sense that the truckers are organized, or is it sporadic?
My impression is they are well organized.
I mean, they do have an association.
And I think that trucking companies are organized, too.
I mean, they have an industrial association.
But I don't think it's a difficult problem to handle.
It just requires common sense as the American administration retreats from these unsustainable positions it took in COVID enforcement.
I mean, the idea that you can You can fire.
I mean, this isn't to do with the truckers, but but it's related that you can fire policemen and firemen and so forth who don't who don't refuse to be vaccinated, even though they have had the virus and are better immunized than if they had had the vaccination.
But you fire them anyway.
I mean, this is simply insane.
Yeah.
And the fact that masks don't stop anything in vaccination doesn't stop.
the spread, you know, who are the real science deniers?
Let me, let me raise one.
We're just waiting for the commercials.
Yeah, we've got a minute and a half.
Yeah, let me raise a question with you.
To me at this point, the most dramatic aspect of this Ukraine thing is that the Western alliance is obviously falling apart.
I mean, the British are all right, the French are all right, and the countries that were formerly dominated by the Russians, like the Poles and the Hungarians and the Romanians, they're all right.
You know, the little Baltic countries.
But, you know, Germany is basically back dead.
I think we're, as I told you before, I think we'd be better off with Russia as an ally than Germany now.
Well, look, when was it?
Was it 20 years ago that Gerhard Schroeder left the chancellery and became the vice president of Gazprom?
I mean, that tells you everything you need to know, and that was 20 years ago!
Exactly.
And Merkel came in full of fire.
She was from East Germany and her father was a Lutheran minister and so on, but she ended up just folding like a $3 suitcase.
you know, shutting down the nuclear power.
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Lord Black, if you'll indulge me, I'd like to talk about presidential protocols.
We played the the audio of what the current incumbent said about Peter Doocy yesterday.
And now here's the reaction from Peter Doocy of Fox White House correspondent Cutten.
Within about an hour of that exchange, he called my cell phone and he said, it's nothing personal, pal.
And we went back and forth and we were talking about just kind of moving forward and And I made sure to tell him that I'm always going to try to ask something different than what everybody else is asking.
And he said, you've got to.
And that's a quote from the president, so I'll keep doing it.
First, personal disclosure, full disclosure, I know Peter Doocy's father, Steve Doocy, who hosts The Morning Show.
I've met Pete, I've texted him, congratulated him on the great work he's doing.
Lord Black, you've written a book on President Trump.
What would have happened if President Trump had called a member of the news on, willingly, not on a hidden mic, an S.O.B.
in the White House?
Well, it would have been a tremendous controversy.
Media outlet in the entire galaxy of the national political media of the United States would be up in arms and would go on for about a week accusing the President of incivility, attempted intimidation, violation of the spirit of the First Amendment, degradation of his office, manifestation of mental unfitness to serve in any executive position, and so on and so on.
And, you know, I look in fairness to Biden.
I just heard for the first time when you put it on a moment ago, he did phone this guy and he did.
If he didn't apologize, he at least kind of smoothed over it.
And I myself, I'd let it pass.
I mean, it was a completely stupid thing to say.
And I think he had to be out of his mind saying that even if and by the way, I don't think it's a fair I think it's indicative of how rattled he's getting.
He always impressed me as being very capable and very fair, but not just one of the cheering section like most of them.
But at least Biden, you know, at a human level, phoned him on his cell phone, which is unusual for a president to do, and smoothed it over.
But I think it's indicative of how rattled he's getting.
I mean, he really expected clearly to float on a cloud, you know, you know, like one of these advertisements for how to sleep well on a mattress.
Through just coasting through four years of the legacy of Trump hate.
And he is in much deeper water than Trump was ever in.
I mean, Trump faced the hostility of an almost unanimous political press corps, but he always held A very substantial share of the public.
And objections to him were stylistic or substantive, but not fears that he was incompetent, that he wasn't actually in charge of the administration, that he couldn't read a teleprompter, couldn't improvise a sentence, or no fears like that.
Everyone admitted that Trump was intelligent, assertive, and in charge.
Obviously a lot of people objected to him for other reasons, but no one suggested that he was not
Lord Black, given last week's coverage from the other side of the political spectrum in the legacy media, CNN using phrases such as the weak from hell and even MSNBC talking about the vulnerability of Biden, is it fair to say do you think the blush is off the rose and that the honeymoon is over?
I would put it in less bucolic terms than that, or romantic terms.
I think that the jackal media is not going down with the ship.
And they don't.
The fact is, they aren't there in Biden's corner out of loyalty to Biden and admiration for Biden.
That was never a factor.
They were there out of Trump hate, and they see the Biden ship is sinking, and they're not going down with it.
So they're putting some blue water between themselves and this administration because it is looking, unfortunately, for the country and for the Western world every day more and more like an absolute shambles out of control.
And what we have now is the somewhat hilarious spectacle of the Trump-hating media coming belatedly to the conclusion that they administration that they worked so avidly and dishonestly to put into the White House while they evicted Trump is absolutely incompetent to do the job.
Now, they haven't focused on their own responsibility for this horrible shambles, and they haven't focused on the fact that every day that it gets worse, the return of the man they hated becomes more likely.
I mean, that's too far advanced thinking and complicated analysis for them.
for them, but they'll get to that eventually.
In the meantime, they're just charging the lifeboats headfirst.
We only have a minute left, and the conventional wisdom is that it's the economy stupid and that people vote based on their pocketbooks and wallets.
Nevertheless, the unfolding crisis in the Ukraine could become a true domestic liability for Biden, could it not?
I think it could, and incidentally I think an aspect of it is it appears that the Western alliance is cracking apart.
And it's not just Germany.
Now, we've got enough left to work with.
If they could get serious in Washington and work closely with the British and the French, the Canadians, and Canada's come out well on this.
Justin Trudeau is no Douglas MacArthur as a leader of men, but he's sent units over there.
We're right on the border between you know, the Baltic countries and Russia and insisting and training the Ukrainians.
And, you know, Canada's come through.
The British and the French are fine.
The Poles and those countries that have the recent joyous experience Blinken or Biden are not the men to save the alliance.
their necks they're you know they're all pretty solid we've got enough of an alliance to work with but we need somebody i mean i'm afraid lincoln isn't the man i'm bling lincoln or biden are not the men to save the alliance i have to say i'd never thought i'd expect i'd hear the phrases or the names douglas mccarthur and trudeau in the same interview we We've been talking to Lord Conrad Black.
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Found these guys, and arrested them, and threw them in prison.
No, he was a tough guy.
Tough guy.
Yeah.
Good.
Great interview.
Thank you.
Okay, thanks.
God bless.
Bye-bye.
Should I dial him up now, or wait a bit?
You can dial him up.
Okay.
Sky Channel One.
Mr. Kash Patel.
Did I give you a title for 1A?
Yes, you did.
Okay.
Just need a title for that.
Oh, okay.
Ringing at the far end.
Hello, Mr. Patel, can you hear us?
Yeah, I'll be right there.
Wonderful.
We hear you.
Yeah, I just got to move my laptop.
Sorry.
Yeah.
About two and a half minutes before we go back in the air.
Biden, Ducey and the Ukraine.
Biden, Ducey and the Ukraine.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
He's still adjusting his setup a little bit.
Oh, he's got a very cool background there.
The mics are live on our video streams as well this time, Mr. Patel, just so you know.
Gotcha, gotcha.
No problem.
Just getting into position.
Yep.
Two minutes.
And... There we go.
Yep.
Wonderful.
When did you get back from SHOT Show, dude?
Uh, Saturday, I think?
Yeah, it was pretty awesome.
It was, and I liked it.
It wasn't the insane zoo that it usually is.
Yeah, it felt like we got rid of all the losers.
All the tire kickers!
Right, right.
So, again, for the Chiron we have fightwithcash.com, host of Cash's Corner, Epoch Times.
Is there anything else you would like to say?
Okay, I need to write those down.
Cash's... Corner.
Corner.
And then Seb, between me and you, when I come back I'd like to come back in a week and launch Patriots on your show.
Let's do it.
Can we mention that now or not?
We can mention it now, I just don't have the code for you.
So, however you want to do it.
Yeah, we'll mention it, we'll tease it, and we'll get you back in studio.
Okay, perfect.
Yeah, I'll come to you guys to do that one.
One minute.
Okay, podcast in the beginning here and then relief at the end.
Oh, I have to do.
I did podcast in the last one.
And then we'll do MyPillow now.
Yeah, shot looks good.
Wonderful.
The audio is good.
Excellent.
five seconds.
Okay. 30 seconds.
Alright.
Two segments, right?
Yes.
Yes.
Perfect.
Alrighty.
Standing by.
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Is an individual I bumped into most recently at the airport.
Former Chief of Staff for the Pentagon.
Former Chief Investigator for Devin Nunes on the Intelligence Committee.
So many other things to boot.
Welcome back to America First.
Kash Patel!
Sab, it's great to be here, and it's great to cross paths with you at the Airport and Shot Show, which is a great American fest.
And you're right, look, I haven't talked about it before, but what they've done to your friend Mike Lindell, who I don't know and just happens to be a conservative and subjected to cancel culture, well, that's what we created, an ecosystem to combat for patriots.
And it's literally a payment processing company ecosystem for conservatives that banks can't cancel.
It's Patriots with a Y. P-A-Y-T-R-O-T-S dot U-S.
Patriots dot U-S.
And we will process all your payments, including Mike Lindell, if you're listening.
Our bank won't shut you down, because I'm the guy that gets to decide what processes go forward and what doesn't.
And I don't shut people down based on conservative values or any other values.
But we'll do the live release with you, Seb, next week.
We'll get a Seb coupon.
We'll have our own piece of the ecosystem so no one can shut us down.
So how has this not happened earlier?
I mean, God bless you for doing it, for doing all the background work, establishing a bank, the payment processing.
How on earth did it take till 2022, Cash?
Look, I'm a government guy.
I don't know anything about finances.
I'll be the first one to tell you, Seb.
And it's a great question.
I just got ticked off.
I just said, why is this happening?
Why is it OK for a bank or a payment processing company to say, because I voted for X or Y, you won't support an American capitalist idea?
It's insane.
And you know what happened when I dug in?
All these payment processing companies in the fine print sell your data and are supported by Amazon Web Services.
That's where the money is.
And they don't want to kick off Amazon and they don't want to stop selling your personal data because it makes them too much money.
Things we will never do at patriots.us.
So this is, you know, like social media, but this is even worse because it's your banking information, it's your finances.
You are the commodity cash, right?
The customer, their information is being sold.
Yep, it's in that fine print that no one reads.
And why do you think these payment processing companies make so much money?
Not just on the high fees they charge you.
They get billions for scraping people's data out of their bank accounts and then selling them.
Google does it.
Amazon does it.
Facebook.
All these companies take your data and sell it through some payment process or another.
I'm not going to do it.
But we need our own ecosystem.
Everybody's welcome at patriots.us.
We will get you a rate that's better than the one you're getting.
We won't cancel you and we won't sell your data.
It's happening on social media.
You saw what Dan Bongino did.
He's off YouTube.
Voluntarily, he said, I don't need you scumbags.
I'm not going to post anything from my show anymore.
He's gone to rumble.
It's happening, whether it's social media, whether it's President Trump's Truth Social.
Man, I can't wait for that to launch.
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Cash, I want to talk about fighting with cash, but can we talk about Ukraine and this administration?
Okay, good.
Alright, then let's...
I'll do the Israel read and then I'll tee up John Kirby.
Let's cut seven and then we'll go straight to cash.
So what is it?
It's Patriots with a Y dot US?
Yeah, P-A-Y-T-R-I-O-T.
Oh, P-A-Y.
Oh, that's clever.
Yeah, that is insanely clever.
Yeah.
My engineers are building your code literally this week and will.
Nice.
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All right.
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world.
So when did you come up with that idea?
How long did it take you to just state the whole thing?
It took me about nine months to build it.
Wow.
A night of drinking wine with our friend Devin Nunes to come up with the idea.
Was it his wine?
I can't say, I'm not allowed.
Okay.
No free advertising for you, Devin.
Sorry.
90 seconds.
Okay, we've got Israel and Tidaloc here.
Okay.
Yep.
Starting off with Israel.
One minute. - Yeah.
Did I play Cut 9 on the show?
Today?
I did.
You didn't play Cut 8 though.
No, I might play Cut 5 in the next segment.
I think we've got enough time.
The Logger News.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you'll do Israel and then TF7.
Are you on Twitter?
Cash?
Nope, no social media.
No social media?
Just fightwithcash.com, that's how you get me.
All right.
All right, 30 seconds.
Yep, 30 seconds.
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Can I just read this again?
It's just far too blue and exciting.
I'm going to quote CNN because it's delicious.
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We're back with a man who's got just a superlative resume from DOJ to Congress in the IC to the Pentagon in the Trump administration, chief of staff of the Pentagon.
I do believe that's a role they actually invented for him.
He's that unique.
His name is Kash Patel.
He's host of Kash's Corner on Epoch Times.
Kash, given your time in the five-sided building, I used to call it the five-sided playpen when I worked for the DoD.
Gotta get your take.
This is Admiral John Kirby, a disgrace to the Navy uniform, talking about Biden's response to 127,000 Russian troops on the border of Ukraine.
Cut seven.
Secretary Austin has placed a range of units in the United States on a heightened preparedness to deploy, which increases our readiness to provide forces if NATO should activate the NRF, or if other situations develop.
All told, the number of forces that the Secretary has placed on heightened alert comes up to about 8,500 personnel.
I gotta ask you, if you were still in the Pentagon and our old boss was still the Commander-in-Chief, we wouldn't even be having these discussions, would we?
Well, that's... I was actually just... Yeah, you took it right out of my mouth.
We wouldn't be talking about the Ukraine and Putin possibly taking on a land invasion of another country of a Western European nation because it wouldn't happen.
It didn't happen because President Putin didn't posture like this against President Trump because he knew President Trump would come in off the top rope and say absolutely not and destroy not just Russia's economy, but get our allies around the world to gang up against Russia.
But Putin knows there's a different leader in the White House with Biden.
It's a weakened national security position.
So he's dictating and propagating to the world stage and he's winning.
He's winning the argument because he gets the world media to stop and freeze and everybody's talking about Putin and Russia.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're a swamp fighter, meaning you know the swamp, you know the vested interests, you've been here long enough.
I don't see, and you know I'm not a Cassandra, I'm not a Chicken Little, but I don't see a way out.
I don't see three years of anybody within a Democrat circle getting the reins of sanity or even just competence cash And stabilizing any of this, whether it's Iran, whether it's China, whether it's little Kim or whether it's Putin.
So it's got to get worse, isn't it?
Until, I don't know, 2024.
You know, I wish I could disagree with you emphatically.
I wish I do.
But you're right.
That's the problem.
The problem is Xi Jinping is doing the same thing in China that Putin is doing in Russia.
The problem is Putin's talk about doing the same thing and bringing harm to Cuban shores 90 miles from America.
And he's able to do that in this ecosystem that's been built by this administration's policies, or I should say lack thereof and failure of policies to put America first and worry about America's national security interests.
What does the DoD focus on right now that has led us to this situation?
For the last year, they've been focused on the climate, the weather, and white rage.
Those are the top three priorities of the Department of Defense.
And that was chosen by the men and women who were elected to serve, a.k.a.
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and the like.
And that was just different under Trump.
And you know that, Seb.
We focused on China and Russia.
And we got after terrorists.
And we brought hostages home because that mattered to America.
I think it's just us.
Because it was America first.
It was an ideology first and it wasn't, you know, placating our enemies.
Talking to Cash Patel, host of Cash's Corner.
Somebody else who has been subpoenaed by Nancy's Star Chamber.
Talk to us, must be a good guy, clearly must be a good guy.
Talk to us about fighting with cash.
Talk to us about taking the fight to the smear merchants in the swamp.
Now you have to, and I appreciate it.
Look, FightWithCash.
Seb, you've been there.
You know what it's like to be defamed, to have your family name dragged through the mud falsely and viciously by a media.
And it didn't happen to just you and me and Devin.
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So FightWithCash.com with a K is an offensive legal trust where I'm going around the country raising money Filing lawsuits for everyday Americans.
If you've been defamed or deplatformed, hit me up at fightwithcash.com directly.
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You have a right to clear your name and take out the fake news media just like everybody else.
Are people coming to you or are they still intimidated, Cash?
Tell me how this new initiative is faring.
Actually, we have, I think, over half a dozen lawsuits going, Seb, which has only literally been stood up for operationally 60 days.
So that's pretty good.
Come February and March, I want to be filing a lawsuit a week on behalf of Americans.
So they're coming.
If you guys know about them and want to support the cause, check out fightwithcash.com and help us out, because it costs money.
And the Covington-Nick Sandman settlements must be making people nervous in the swamp and at CNN, no?
You know, Seb, you're the only one talking about it because everybody talked about his first big settlement.
He has 12 after that.
I mean, it's a tidal wave that starts, you're right, that starts to build and you have to get on it.
And Fight With Cash is riding that wave, I'm not gonna lie.
He was defamed worse than almost any other and he should have his day in court, he did.
But I'm trying to teach Americans that you can have your day in court, just like Nick Samenek, just like Kyle Rittenhouse and so many others.
And fightwithcash is helping him.
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I love that.
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All right.
Yeah, we'll do it.
We'll do it.
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How can we get through to the Surgeon General in Florida?
I think I can figure that out.
Interesting poll out.
For all the DeSantis lovers.
2024, him vs. Kamala, plus one.
Trump vs. Kamala, plus ten.
Wow.
Who's the pollster?
Harvard something.
It was like 2,000 people.
But you know, for, oh, we need a nice person.
We can't have Trump.
Exactly.
And I was just saying this to a group of friends.
Someone who I think is emerging as a challenger to DeSantis is Junkin, honestly.
He's surpassing my expectations.
What?
Did you hear the latest thing he did?
That he launched a tip line for parents to report teachers who they think are teaching CRT to their kids.
He did?
Yeah.
Business Insider has that.
I'm like, dude, this is amazing.
Don't get fanboys from Junkin.
Or you'll be looking for another place to work.
Behave.
Oh wow.
He's gotta prove himself.
Alright.
I agree, I agree.
Alright, send me that story, that's interesting.
Eric?
Yeah, yeah, I'm finding the link right now.
The Business Insider.
Yep, Business Insider, yep.
Okay.
Merch, here.
Okay, and then we'll play this long cut.
The, oh yeah, the Doocy.
Yeah.
Which is the bad business?
Which is the bad business?
Business, the scumbags.
It's not Business Insider, it's the other one, right?
I think Business Insider is, yeah.
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It was so fun.
I saw this after the show, of course, but they had Peter Doocy on The Five and the grace with which he responded to the current incumbent of the White House calling him an SOB.
I've got to play you the whole cut.
It's fabulous.
God bless Peter Doocy.
Play cuts.
Have you been called by the White House or the president and asked for to come to the Oval Office tomorrow for an interview?
No, no.
And I don't think that that's coming either.
But what's crazy about this is, in the longer version of the clip, there was a group of reporters that were all gathered.
We listened to him explain the competition council, which is the reason that he's having this meeting with most of the cabinet, and somebody shouted out a question about Russia.
And the president said, I'm not going to take questions right now about anything off-topic.
So I shouted out something that's not on my two pages of questions about crime.
Okay, what about inflation?
Do you think inflation is a political liability in the midterms?
And then he said that!
And I couldn't even hear him because people were shouting at us to get out, but somebody came up to me in the briefing room a few minutes later and said, did you hear what the president said?
And I said, no, what?
They said, he called you a stupid SOB.
And I said, did he say SOB?
And the person said, no.
He did the elongated version.
So do you see, I think the president's right, you are a stupid S.O.B.
Yeah, nobody has fact-checked him yet and said it's not true.
No one's giving Pinocchios for that one.
So you're now, I guess, everyone's talking about you.
You're going to be known as the stupid SOB guy.
I mean, before you were like the hair guy with the blonde hair.
Now you're stupid SOB.
Is this something you're embracing, Peter?
Do I have a choice?
I don't think so.
I mean, I think you just have to walk around for the rest of your career as the stupid S.O.B.
No, but it is something great that you were called and named by a president.
Yeah.
I mean, that's something that will be in the history books, if we still have them.
I think we have to get cufflinks.
Don't we have to?
I think we should buy Peter Doocy some cufflinks that say S.O.B.
on them.
What a great sense of humor.
And Greg's right.
It's a big deal to get so under the skin of an incompetent, senile old man that that's how he reacts.
Not on a hot mic.
He knew he did that.
I think he should be the new president of the White House Correspondents Association.
Next up, President Trump's COVID Task Force Chief Medical Advisor.
we are delighted to have with us one-on-one none other than Scott Atlas.
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This is America First one-on-one.
A big, big week recently with the Supreme Court decision.
Then we had on, was it Sunday, just a couple of days ago, the march, the rally against the mandates.
Where are we right now in terms of defeating the Wuhan virus?
Well, at least we know there's one person out there who embodies, in his single personage, science itself.
Anybody who's looking at this carefully realizes that there's a distinct anti-science flavor to this.
So if they get up and criticize science, nobody's going to know what they're talking about.
But if they get up and really aim their bullets at Tony Fauci, well, people could recognize there's a person there, so it's easy to criticize.
But they're really criticizing science, because I represent science.
That's dangerous.
To me, that's more dangerous than the slings and the arrows they get thrown at me.
And if you damage science, you are doing something very detrimental to society.
You can't question Fauci because he is science.
Really?
I thought science was just a method.
Let's talk to somebody who doesn't think there are embodiments of science in living individuals.
He served in the Trump White House.
He is Senior Fellow in Health Policy at the Hoover Institution and author most recently.
of a fabulous, fabulous book, a plague upon our house, my fight at the Trump White House to stop COVID from destroying America.
Welcome Dr. Scott Atlas to America First.
Oh, thanks for having me.
me appreciate that so we've been trying for the longest time to get you on the show your buddy victor davis hansen constantly said yes you gotta get him on you gotta get him on we're delighted to have you on i've got a multi-page multi-page resume cv bio for you so you clearly have the credentials for those of our millions of listeners who may not have watched you at those press conferences Please, if you would, just start as we do with all of our one-on-one guests.
Give us a potted summary of who you are, your qualifications and what you are focused on as we speak.
Sure.
So I am a senior fellow in health policy at a policy institute at Stanford University called the Hoover Institution.
Where I research and work on healthcare policy solutions.
I've been doing that for more than a decade full-time.
Before that, I had about a 25-year history, a career in academic medicine as a professor in the School of Medicine for the last 14 years before the 10 years as a professor and chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University School of Medicine.
And I've had a previous experience as a medical scientist at various Top-level medical centers in the U.S., including University of Pennsylvania.
Graduated from University of Chicago with my M.D.
degree.
And basically what I was doing in the summer and fall, late summer, I was asked by the White House if I would help the president as an advisor on the pandemic.
And so I came to Washington end of July, beginning of August, and stayed for three and a half months.
I'm doing my best to help the country in advising the president because the policies that were guided from the federal side by Drs.
Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx, the head of the medical task force, were failing and people were dying.
They were failing to stop the infection.
They were destroying millions of families and sacrificing our children, yet they were still failing to protect the high-risk people.
Let me just add from, I think our listeners and our viewers will want to know this as well, in terms of credibility for those who listen to this show and also for, I guess, the establishment.
I mean, you hit every side of that equation.
You have received from Hillsdale College, God bless Hillsdale, I wish we had thousands of colleges like Hillsdale, their highest honor, which is the Freedom Leadership Award.
Additionally, a member, he has been a member, Dr. Atlas, on the ad hoc nominating committee for the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology for several years.
So unimpeachable credentials.
Let me ask, I'm going to start a little bit backwards because you talked about how you braved the swamp.
You came here to work for my old boss, President Trump.
I served in the White House as strategist to the president.
I'm just curious as somebody who came from It exceeded my worst expectations.
I came in naive.
I admit that.
in the medical profession.
Was the swamp, did it surprise you in how corrupt it is?
What was that experience for you like coming to D.C.?
Were you shocked or did it live up to your worst expectations, Dr. Atlas?
It exceeded my worst expectations.
I came in naive.
You know, I admit that.
I'm not a politician.
I've not been in government.
I I came because people were dying, and the president of my country asked me as a health policy expert to help, so of course the answer is yes, period.
I was surprised at several layers of this whole thing.
The first was what I saw in the task force, and I went through this in detail in my book, but I was shocked at the The level of incompetence, the level of a lack of preparation, the lack of scientific thinking, the lack of really critical thinking by the medical side of the task force, and that's mainly three doctors, Dr. Birx, Dr. Fauci, and Dr. Redfield, the head of the CDC.
I was used to coming in and having a discussion based on the exchange of ideas and a critique of the science, of that means of the published literature, a familiarity with the publication.
So I brought into the task force a dozen, fifteen published papers from all over the world.
I was thoroughly informed about the data.
I had discussed things with my colleagues from other countries and epidemiologists in the United States and vaccine experts and infectious disease people.
And then when I was asked a question, I presented the data.
I critiqued the data.
I said this study is not good because the design of the study is incorrect and therefore the results are not credible.
What I was met with were people who didn't know the science, didn't understand it, never showed any evidence of reading it.
They didn't have any refutation of anything on the basis of the papers.
I was met with an ad hominem, you're an outlier kind of accusation.
And then I realized these are people, particularly Fauci and Birx, who were in their bureaucrat positions for 35, 40 years.
And as you know, the way you succeed and maintain those positions is that you are not politically neutral.
That's not it.
It's that you are politically savvy.
You know how to navigate the politicized environment in Washington.
And that entails having friends in the agencies, but also having friends in the media.
And the media is part of the swamp, as you know.
And it's one thing the president said to me on the phone when I first came to Washington was the one thing he would teach me and show me is how Poisonous and vicious that the media is and that's exactly true.
And so these people were in I'm talking about on the task force.
They weren't critical thinkers.
They didn't know the data.
They never once brought a scientific paper in my view to the meeting.
They never brought any expertise beyond the simple tabulations you get from public websites.
So they just attacked me politically.
Or personally, and then they refused to engage with the people who I brought in from outside.
Academic scientists were actually doing the research on the pandemic because the one thing I knew as an advisor to the president was he wanted, he needed to be informed.
He needed to have his questions answered.
And so I rounded up a group of some of the country's best scientists, you know, UCLA, Stanford, Harvard, Tufts Medical Center.
Brought them in, pediatric infectious disease people, experts, vaccine experts, infectious disease experts, scientists, and public health.
And we were there, and we arranged the meeting as just one anecdote here, so that Deborah Birx could attend, and then she backed out right before the meeting and said she didn't want to attend.
Okay, that's not the way a scientist works.
That's not the way science works.
If you are there at a meeting with experts, if you want your opinion to win the day, you better know the material and you better be able to engage with other people and go through the data and the published literature.
Instead, she apparently decided perhaps she was afraid to come.
Perhaps she didn't have security and thinking she could debate with other people at differing opinions.
But that's what science is.
There is no such thing as science.
without engaging in the scientific exchange of the data of the published literature.
So, you know, I'm a PhD in political science and not the hard sciences.
I've never heard of the concept of science being based upon consensus as if one votes and the majority decides whether or not gravity exists or not.
I see it as a method, but you'll explain it to all of our listeners momentarily.
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I have such a long list of things I've written down, I don't want to ask you, but I'm going to jump straight in right there.
Did you divine what the motivations were of Colonel Birx, of Fauci?
What was their objective, if not to save lives, was it to not offend, to play safe, to protect mediocrity?
To get the next booking in front of a TV camera?
What was their objective, if not to find the truth and save lives?
Well, I don't want to claim that people there were not interested in stopping the pandemic and in saving lives.
I don't want to impugn them that way.
But what I do know is that they did not show the scientific rigor that's necessary.
If you're there, And advising in such a healthcare crisis, and you're not familiar with the literature, talking about the scientific data, critiquing studies that had poor study design, you're not fit to be at the table, frankly.
And what they were, was much more, basically superficial knowledge about things like you would read about a scientific paper as it was summarized in the New York Times, for instance.
Or you would, you know, make an assertion by just claiming, I'm an outlier, the one who had the opposite view.
There was no real critical thinking.
They never once brought a paper, as I mentioned, they never critiqued the scientific design of any study.
They never refuted anything I said.
In fact, they never disagreed with each other, which is a red flag.
And so, you know, this is a problem.
Not that they weren't motivated to stop the pandemic, but they had other things.
I think there was a lot of, you know, potentially a lot of ruffled egos because they weren't standing there with the president.
I didn't ask to stand there with the president.
I didn't go there to stand there with the president.
I would have been happy to just advise.
But, you know, They decided, as was revealed, as you know, in the recent emails between Francis Collins, the head of the NIH, and Dr. Fauci, these are two very powerful figures in science.
Yeah, they colluded in a using sort of a smear campaign to, quote, take down, unquote, that's their words, the scientists who disagreed with them.
You know, this is just not the behavior of a scientist and certainly reveals a different motivation.
They should have spent their time engaging in the scientific exchange and doing things that they didn't do, like clinical trials on readily available drugs.
Instead, they were busy, you know, getting their friends in the media to stomp out and intimidate people with differing views.
Let's be very clear here for those who aren't familiar with the emails that were released recently.
We're talking about the three signatories, the leading signatories of the Barrington Declaration, that just posited other ways to deal with COVID.
Amazing credentials like yours, Dr. Atlas.
People from Oxbridge, people from Harvard, Yale and elsewhere who were deemed to be worthy of a smear campaign to destroy them.
You mentioned other already approved drugs.
Let's go straight there.
So I caught COVID, you know, 14 months ago.
My doctor gave me hydroxychloroquine.
I had the sniffles for three days.
I was fine.
Can you talk to us about therapeutics?
Why was there seemingly, not just from your colleagues on the task force, but even from Democrat governors across the nation, a war waged on existing safe drugs and their use of labels such as ivermectin, such as hydroxychloroquine.
I have personal stories, multiple friends and colleagues who were not allowed to receive the legal prescription they had been given by their doctor for a therapeutic because the pharmacist unilaterally said, well, are you getting this for COVID?
Well, I'm not going to fill it.
So why was there a war on drugs that have been used for 50, 60 years?
Yeah, this is one of the most egregious failures and unprecedented in my knowledge about how drugs that were FDA approved and safe.
Okay, these drugs, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, are safe drugs, period.
They've been used for 60, 70 years, billions of doses.
In fact, many countries have hydroxychloroquine as an over-the-counter medicine you don't even need.
And so...
This is unprecedented.
Normally the way it works is that a doctor can prescribe a drug, once it's FDA approved, for anything that they deem a reasonable clinical indication, it's called.
Hydroxychloroquine, as you know, was pronounced as being a cure by President Trump prematurely, but once he opened up that statement, there was an immediate knee-jerk reaction to refute that throughout the media.
And unfortunately, what happened was the NIH and the FDA, one of their main failures is even two years out, they still have never done the clinical trials that should have been done right away because the drugs had a what's called a mechanism of action that shows that it should work.
And so instead of doing the clinical trial, they vilified it.
They made it seem like it's a dangerous drug.
And everybody joined in on that.
So you'd have to say at first, the first part of it is it was political to stop those drugs, but it's also, it became an obsession.
And again, a failure that drugs that were cheap and FDA approved and safe were not even studied, but instead we were pushed into vaccines as the only possible way.
Lockdowns, which failed to stop the spread, failed to stop the people from dying.
and inflicted enormous harm and sacrificed our children, and they were a failure of policy.
Those were the Burks Fauci lockdowns.
And now we see expensive drugs being developed, still ignoring the potential use of drugs that seem to have a mechanism of action that should work.
The question, why, is your question.
Yes.
It's impossible to answer why, but you'd have to say this.
There's a tremendous amount of corruption in the government agencies,
And between Big Pharma and these various people, the funding agencies, the people who generate the funding, the people who do the research, this is a sort of an unhealthy alliance, an overlap, a dependence on funding that really has to be explored and eliminated because the American people suffered and probably true that people died because these clinical trials were never done.
People were made afraid of even entering the clinical trial and one of the big clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine had to be stopped because patients were too afraid.
We're going to talk about what happened in terms of the application of science and medical science in the last two years.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Dr. Atlas, this is a tough question, I know, but we have to ask it because you are a specialist in health policy.
With the shutdown, with prioritization Completely skewed in the last two years, with horrific numbers out of the UK in terms of people who weren't screened for cancer and then didn't receive cancer treatment and then died in the last two years, with the masking of children continuing in some localities.
Could we posit theoretically that the long-term damage to our societies from the bad health policies could be even greater than the damage that the coronavirus did in the last two years?
Well, you're understating the truth, because I even wrote about it with colleagues at other institutions back in April-May 2020, where even by then, the life years lost from the lockdown were more than double the life years lost from the virus.
And so what we know now, as you allude to, in the U.S., okay, we had 300,000 cases of child abuse just from the spring 2020 lockdown that went unreported.
We had massive explosion of suicides in teenage girls.
Opioid abuse.
Masses of missed healthcare.
Half of cancer patients refused to get their chemo during spring 2020 because of the initial lockdown.
We had 85% of organ transplants not get done.
About two-thirds of cancer screenings in the U.S.
did not get done.
Half of heart attack and stroke patients were made so fearful of hospitals that they decided not to call an ambulance.
This is the tip of the iceberg.
We have a projected 1.2 million Americans are going to die from the economic harms alone of the lockdown over the next 20 years.
1.2 million extra Americans are going to die.
And so there's an enormous failure of the lockdowns.
And this is one of the most egregious, really immoral, and I would say unethical parts of public health leadership that was done in the United States, is that these people were focused on stopping COVID-19 at all costs, instead of looking at the public health harms of everything, including instead of looking at the public health harms of everything, including the missed medical care, including what they did with their And so we have all these life years lost, massive deaths,
People are going to come back with cancer that's more widespread, that was never diagnosed.
The cancers didn't go away.
The heart attacks didn't go away.
The people didn't get their medical care.
And we have a massively damaged younger generation, you know, where we have, you know, enormous psychological harms, explosions of manic, of anxiety disorder and depressive disorder.
We have tripling of Intentional self-harm by teenagers over 2020 compared to the year before.
What is self-harm?
Self-harm is when you put cigarettes out on your skin or slash your wrists.
These are teenagers we're talking about here.
We have a damaged generation where more than half of American college-age children had an unwanted weight gain, and that weight gain during the lockdown averaged 28 pounds.
Okay, that's obesity.
This is an enormous public health tragedy that was caused by the lockdowns.
And of course, the consequences for some of these, especially the psychological, psychiatric ones, will not be known for years, if not decades to come.
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Have you ever seen in that span of time censorship of science and censorship of scientific professionals as we have seen in the last two years because of COVID?
No, that is, that really, that censorship intimidation
and politicization really of science, of scientists, by not just the media but by our universities who are supposed to represent centers of the free exchange of ideas and by the scientific journals and scientists themselves is unprecedented and the most dangerous thing to come out of this pandemic because in the end we're done with the pandemic at some point and we are left with destroyed institutions
Where we can no longer trust them.
What do I mean by that?
I'll give you some examples.
In February 2020, very close to the beginning of the pandemic, a bunch of famous virologists wrote a letter to the journal Lancet and claimed, not about data, they claimed that anyone who talked about the virus somehow emerging from a lab in Wuhan was a conspiracy theorist and that it was 100% known That the virus was natural origin.
Okay, that was a lie, because not that it wasn't known.
It couldn't have been known.
It still isn't 100% known today, but it looks very likely that it came out of a lab.
It's the opposite of what they said.
They were lying.
They were trying to not put forward the truth.
They were trying to intimidate anyone from saying something else.
What we then saw was a bunch of ad hominem attacks by people in the media, On TV and elsewhere.
And in the journals, in some of the best journals there were, including not just Lancet, but British Medical Journal, New England Journal, there was an attempt to suppress the exchange of ideas that is the fundamental process for scientific inquiry.
And then at universities, including my own Stanford University, you know, a bunch of unhinged academics who were distraught because someone had the audacity to go and work with President and say something that they didn't like, they needed to smear, delegitimize, and really try to, you know, destroy that person.
And it wasn't just me, to me, but it was also other people as well.
But what they did was they broke the public trust that we have and what we need in these institutions.
And moreover, and a bigger issue, really, on universities particularly, These are people educating our children.
These are educating the next generation of leaders for our country.
What kind of an education is it to tell people that they should not just censor, but impugn, destroy anyone who says anything that is against the conventional narrative?
So we're left in a very sad situation here.
And myself, Dr. Bhattacharya and Dr. Kulldorff are working with Hillsdale College and starting a new Institute for Science and Freedom, the Academy for Science and Freedom, because we need to restore trust.
And the way to restore trust is to stop that censorship and to increase the transparency, particularly not just in the published data, but also in things like we're seeing now with the vaccines, with safety.
We can't have public health agencies abuse the public trust And not be fully transparent.
We are a free society.
We need to have the information to make critical thinking based decisions.
Now, we love Hillsdale, we love Larry Arnn, and God bless you for doing that.
I can't wait for that academy to get going, but that's not going to be enough.
How does science recover from this when you've got the highest paid government official in America, Anthony Fauci, $340,000 of taxpayer funding for his paycheck, instigating smear campaigns against fellow scientists Can science recover Dr. Atlas?
Well it can and you know by the way this happened while I was there right behind my back as soon as I said anything at the task force meeting there were distortions of what I said given to the media and that was clearly from the people in the task force and you know the answer is yes it can recover but we have a hole to dig out from.
This is not an easy task because As my friend and colleague Martin Kaldorf said, we've upset a large number of very powerful people, both in science and intimately related to science, meaning the funding of science.
And so we need to make sure that the public is educated by stopping the censorship in media and in social media.
That must be done.
We cannot have a society like that, but we also need to force these academic institutions, for instance, who are receiving massive federal funding to avoid censorship, to avoid blocking, you know, totally qualified people from speaking out about their interpretation of the data.
We need to have presidents and administration leaders, both at the state and federal levels, who understand that government bureaucrats are not the experts.
Government bureaucrats can never be in charge.
We need to have a large number of people come in from outside the government and add their advice, just like President Trump asked me to, just like I brought in scientists from all over the country.
We cannot have the public somehow automatically trust people just because of their position in a government position or their credential on a piece of paper.
We need to have the debates.
We need to restore this free exchange of ideas that our country was founded on, or we will never have the scientific truths we need to solve crises like this.
But you're right, it's not going to be an easy solution.
It's not going to be from one new institute.
It's going to be driven from the people.
The people have to understand they have to be the ones in charge.
They have to have access to the information.
They must demand the information.
They cannot tolerate...
This sort of censorship.
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I don't think he was too woke.
He was the exact opposite.
You know what woke means?
It means you're a loser.
Everything woke.
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It's true.
Dr. Atlas, I would like to take this opportunity in front of our millions
of listeners and viewers as somebody who stepped into the arena myself in the swamp, as somebody who caught COVID, as somebody who served in the Trump administration, to thank you for
Thank you for being one of the handful, truly handful, of medical professionals along with Dr. McCullough, Dr. Malone, who are prepared to speak the truth despite the personal cost to your careers because of the propaganda and the groupthink in the establishment.
So God bless you, Dr. Atlas, and thank you for what you have done and what you continue to do.
My last question to you is really the so what question.
I've had my personal physician on the show several times and we've talked to Dr. Pappas about how all of these decisions, it doesn't matter what it is, COVID or cancer or the common flu, that every one of these decisions should be made by the individual concerned in consultation with their doctor.
Period.
End of story.
Is there any advice right now you would give to people currently, people who are waking up asking questions or people who have further concerns?
What is Dr. Scott Atlas' health policy advice, if you will, to everybody who's still living in this twilight world of the China virus?
Well, you know, I think this is very important for people to understand.
One is, again, there's a burden on you, unfortunately, to try to think critically through things in consultation with your doctor.
But I would point out this, a lot of doctors, it's sad to say, but are completely off base with their knowledge about the pandemic and their advice about the pandemic, including people who are in my own family who have listened to their doctors about all kinds of nonsense.
So you really have to question things.
I was raised as a person to question authority, but also my whole career has been, you know, having a healthy degree of skepticism, questioning and then investigating yourself to find out the answers.
You cannot trust anyone just in blindly trusting people just because of their credential.
Like I've said, you have to really try hard.
Talk to your neighbors.
Question what you're being told.
No one should be believing what they're being fed in the media or by their own doctor without questioning it.
Don't be afraid to ask questions.
And if your doctor tells you not to ask questions, you need to find another doctor.
Yeah, yeah.
That is the sad reality that even people in your profession have, to use the colloquialism, drunk the Kool-Aid.
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