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Jan. 21, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: CDC confesses natural immunity better than vaccines

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	Welcome, dear friends.
	Happy Friday.
	It's Second Amendment Friday.
	It's Ask Dr. G Anything Friday.
	We've got so many guests for you today.
	Amazing guests from the Trump cabinet.
	We have Robert Wilkie, former Secretary of Veterans Affairs.
	To talk Russia, we've got Gunnery Sergeant Jesse Jane Duff.
	From formerly of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Senior Russia Analyst, Rebecca Kofler, we've got the Baron!
	Boris will be with us, and on China, Natalie Winters of the National Pulse, and you, of course.
	God bless every single one of you on this, the One year plus one anniversary of the disastrous Biden regime.
	We have so much to discuss as it looks imminent that Russia will invade the Ukraine again.
	This is what Nancy Pelosi had to say about the Democrats.
	Cut one.
	I say to my members on a regular basis when we gather in caucus and as you know sometimes it's Get on with it, Nancy!
	these days, but anytime we have gathered in caucus, when we're actually virtually or hybrid, I've said to them, under this roof, figuratively or actually, is the greatest- Get on with it, Nancy.
	Stop.
	Just get on with it.
	Integrity and imagination for doing the right thing for the American people.
	I have great confidence in the integrity of my members.
	The what?
	The Con-tegrity?
	Is she drunk at the podium again?
	Look, here's the question, has she ever been sober?
	Since I moved to America 13 years ago, has this woman ever been sober?
	As we, a hybrid, hybrid roof, yes, and Con-tegrity.
	Con-tegrity!
	Get back to the bar, seriously.
	Oh, in case you missed, before she just invented a new nonsense word, she said that the Democrats represent Integrity, intellect, and imagination.
	She's drunk and she's a comedian.
	Quite, quite hilarious, really.
	But it gets even better because this is what she has to say about the senile old man in the White House.
	Cut to.
	Today, Today, we mark a proud anniversary.
	One year ago today, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were sworn in as President and Vice President of the United States.
	Since that historic day, we have seen one of the most impactful first years of a presidency in modern times.
	One of the most impactful administrations of the modern time.
	of millions of people putting money in pockets, delivering the best year of job creation on record.
	Working together, President Biden and the Democratic Congress, working with all of you, built a strong foundation for much of this progress with our American Rescue Plan.
	One of the most impactful administrations of the modern time.
	Let's look at how impactful it is.
	If you're the parents of that young girl murdered in Los Angeles this week, because who needs law enforcement?
	Yeah, impactful.
	If you're one of the 70,000 relatives of the 70,000 who died of drug overdoses this year, Significantly more than died in the whole of the Vietnam War.
	Yes, this has been impactful.
	If you're one of the, oh, I don't know, 30% of small businesses that didn't open again after the COVID lockdowns because there was nothing for them to reopen because those businesses are dead.
	Yeah, it was impactful.
	If you are One of the two million illegal immigrants who crossed this border because Biden said, come to America.
	40, 50, 60% of whom, if they're women or girls, were raped or sexually abused by the coyote human traffickers.
	Sure.
	That was impactful.
	If you are Oh, I don't know.
	One of the 17,000 people working on the extension of the XL Keystone pipeline who lost their job on day one of the Biden administration as that feckless senile old man was given a piece of paper to sign that killed one of the most important things for energy independence for our nation and Canada, Which, by the way, Canada lost 37,000 jobs as a result of Joe Biden.
	Yes, it was one of the most impactful administrations of the modern age.
	If you're one of the people who finds it tough to pay 50 or 60% more to just put gasoline in your car, in your truck, sure, it's impactful.
	And if you're the wife The husband, the mother, the father, the child of one of the 13 American servicemen and women needlessly murdered in Kabul because of Joe Biden.
	And disgraceful insults to the uniform like Mark Milley.
	Yes, siree, this has been one of the most impactful administrations of the modern age with lots of contegrity, Nancy.
	Oodles and oodles of contegrity.
	If you're an American who believes in America, Who believes that our nation, our republic, with its constitution, the likes of which exists nowhere else in the world, that is the envy of the downtrodden and the oppressed from Eastern Europe to Asia.
	This has not been one of the most impactful administrations in the modern age in any Positive sense of the word.
	If you believe in bodily autonomy, if you believe that you shouldn't be forced to have experimental treatments injected into your body, this isn't one of the most impactful positive administrations of the modern age.
	If you believe that our form of government, our freedoms that Americans have died for, Again and again and again have bled for, have lost limbs for, should be sacrosanct because they emanate from one source and one source alone and it's not government and it's not the bottom of a bottle like it is for you Nancy, but that they come from God.
	No, this has not been one of the most positively impactful, contegority-full administrations of the modern age.
	If you believe that government should get out of the way and allow Americans to live their lives, to be free, to pursue happiness as they see fit.
	This is not one of the most positively impactful administrations of the modern age full of contegrity, Nancy Pelosi.
	And if you don't think that members of Congress should be making tens or hundreds of millions of dollars because of insider information they glean on the stock market because of the positions they hold and the information they have access to.
	Like you, Nancy Pelosi, this most definitely isn't one of the most impactful, positively full of integrity administrations of the modern age.
	But don't worry. - Okay.
	There's enough of us, and there are enough waking up, who will take back this nation, one school board and one midterm election district at a time.
	We will stop you.
	I am Sebastian Gorka, and this is America First.
	I am Sebastian Gorka, and this and this is America First.
	Thank you.
	Come in with Cut A.
	Yeah.
	Come in with Cut A.
	Come in with Cut A.
	In a terrible way.
	Our country is in a position I don't think we've ever been in.
	Nobody is respecting our country anymore.
	It's like day and night from what we had.
	We were respected.
	I don't want to say we were feared, but we can say it.
	But we were respected at a minimum.
	And I'll tell you what, they knew that we weren't playing games and none of these things would have happened.
	You wouldn't have had inflation.
	You wouldn't have had Ukraine problems with Russia.
	It was all working out.
	Everything was fine.
	I got along well with them and they understood me.
	I understood them.
	You're going to have big problems with Taiwan.
	You're going to have problems with many things.
	This is all self-inflicted stuff.
	That was my former boss, the 45th President of the United States, speaking on Fox News on the sad anniversary of the inauguration of Joe Biden as the Commander-in-Chief.
	We're going to talk about the last year.
	We're going to talk about geopolitics with our first in-studio guest.
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	Hopefully, I've got her correct Twitter page in front of me.
	Last time she was on the show, I think I found seven.
	Yes, I had to screenshot them and send them to her seven fake accounts.
	I didn't have seven fake accounts.
	I think I've got the right one.
	A quarter of a million followers.
	Gunnery Sergeant Jessie Jane Duff.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Well, I'm glad you got the right Jessie in here.
	That's good.
	Well, it's Friday.
	She can have fun.
	But I wanted to have the right Jessie in the studio.
	You can follow her right now.
	Jessie Jane Duff.
	If it's got 230,000 followers, you've got the right one.
	Not only The gunnery sergeant.
	She is the former co-chair for Veterans for Trump and a colleague of mine on Newsmax.
	Great to have you back.
	I'm so excited to be back.
	I love being in studio with you.
	So whenever I come into town, I'm pinging your team and I'm like, I'm here, I'm here.
	We are delighted.
	The energy's always better when you're physically in studio, especially in this age of Zoom and Skype.
	Enough of that!
	Just because of the China virus.
	We gotta talk military, gotta talk about the minor incursion invitation that Biden gave to Russia and to Putin.
	But first, let's just talk about the big picture.
	I did a kind of Spontaneous monologue to open this show about the last 12 months of the Biden regime.
	Give us your take.
	Let's get your balance sheet of the year of... What was that movie?
	The Year of Living Dangerously?
	This is the year of living with senility.
	Highest inflation rate in 40 years.
	That kind of sums up everything.
	It's a good start.
	Good start.
	Highest inflation rate in 40 years.
	You had to work hard to get here.
	You had to really work hard.
	And to do that in less than a year.
	In less than a year.
	It's stunning.
	You managed to make us have the highest inflation rate in 40 years.
	And last night on Newsmax, we were talking with Monica Crowley.
	Oh, love Monica.
	Absolutely.
	And she was talking about how difficult it is to reverse that once that starts.
	It can take a very long time to strategically get things in place so that your economy can sustain itself.
	So let's go across this.
	Joe Biden brags about increasing wages by 4%, but inflation's at 7%.
	So essentially, this has become a tax on the middle class and the poor.
	That is the taxes that he doesn't want to talk about because your cost of living has increased.
	So that sums up your lack of energy independence, which is going to go into our next topic of Russia.
	He has now enabled the United States to have to be dependent upon foreign oil, which we were energy independent.
	Not only that, as somebody who worked in the administration, I want this to be clear.
	I want the fact-checking to be actual fact-checking.
	We weren't just energy independent, which by itself is stunning.
	It was the first time since 1776 that America was a net exporter of energy to other countries.
	That's how much the surfeit of energy was that we had.
	Carry on.
	So, and then, collectively, watching his press conference on his one-year anniversary, I think he was just proud of himself and the White House was toting the two hours.
	Okay, if we have a president that has to get congratulated for standing for two hours, we've got a bigger problem.
	The softball questions for the first hour, his comms team must have lost their mind when he started calling on the people in the cheap seats.
	And not only that, he also, despite the softballs, loses it when somebody asks a question that, well, let's play the cut.
	Cut nine.
	When are you waiting on Putin to make the first move?
	He laughs and says, what a stupid question.
	Why is that a stupid question, Jessie?
	I think for Joe Biden, everything's stupid because he doesn't have a comprehension of how to answer it.
	So he deflects with it.
	He laughs?
	Yes, he laughs just like Kamala.
	And he pushes it back upon them for not understanding the world as well as he does.
	If that was patronizing.
	Reporters have a responsibility to ask basic coherent questions so that the American public can learn what's going on.
	It's not their job to ask things for their own personal edification.
	It's so that we understand what his philosophies are, what his policies are, what his national security efforts are going to be.
	And when he suggests, well, Putin's going to go into Ukraine because I think he sort of has to now, he kind of can't not do it.
	You've just endorsed it!
	You did not send out a clear message that this is not tolerated in the NATO alliances that we are building today.
	This is not what we do in our European theater.
	It's bad enough you got into Crimea, you got your ports, you got what you want out of this area, and the constant back and forth with Ukraine.
	At what point is this going to stop?
	Now, the Ukraine is a very corrupt country in itself, so we get our own war dogs that want to send us back in, the Liz Cheney types.
	I'm very disgusted in some of these Republicans that I will leave nameless because they're on the right side on so many other issues.
	But when it comes to this, I am sick and tired of seeing the American military stretched so thin on issues that have been going on for decades and centuries.
	President Biden needs to put down—he should never have approved that, the Nord Stream 2, because right there he enabled Russia to have dominance in energy in Europe.
	Right there he green-lighted for them to do whatever they want.
	They are now dependent upon Russian oil to survive in Europe, and now anything goes.
	Game on.
	I hate it when she's so low energy, especially on a Friday.
	And this is, this is not with a Red Bull, I just want... This is natural, this is natural, no Red Bull.
	We've still got guys, a little inside bait, we've still got two cans, the massive cans, the big fat...
	I don't need it.
	bull in the fridge why because that's what a certain individual called bannon drinks and he was meant to come in studio and he came by skype last time so steve the red bull is waiting because jesse jane doesn't need it today she'll be with us here in studio for another segment Don't go anywhere.
	Follow her, Jessie Jane Duff on Twitter.
	Jessie's J-E-S-S-I-E.
	And then we will be joined by senior former D.I.A.
	Russia analyst who's going to tell us, well, she wrote the book with the same title.
	What Putin's playbook is and what we should expect.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Trump.
	This is America First, coming to you live from the reliefactor.com studios just outside the insalubrious fetid swamp that is Washington DC.
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	The producers go, we got hype mics.
	You know, like I'm trying to whisper something over here.
	Oh, you mean while the show's going?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	While the packet's going.
	Yeah, while it's going.
	Because it's not like radio where you get light on, light off, you know?
	Right.
	Well, they should be controlling your mic, so if they're playing a packet, they should... Thankfully, it was a... At best, anybody heard it was a...
	Because it wasn't loud, but then last night... Then last night you were a guest with Monica, right?
	Or were you on hosting?
	I was hosting.
	Hosting with Monica.
	Yes, I got to ask her questions along with Jim Pellegrino.
	So I really enjoyed it.
	It was so funny last night because I had the Mike Savage thing and Michael can go.
	Like you don't really need that.
	You've got to let him go.
	So it's funny.
	I'm starting to ask my question.
	I'm getting myself all hyped up.
	You know me, low energy.
	And I snorted.
	I haven't snorted since I was five, okay?
	I'm like, ugh, I heard it!
	And I was like, and it tripped me up.
	It was in his introduction and like literally my brain was going, oh my god.
	But what had he said that made you do that?
	I wasn't laughing.
	I was trying to talk and breathe at the same time.
	Oh, okay.
	And a snort came out.
	And I think it was probably louder in my head and so I got his title mixed up.
	I said Dr. Michael Savage and I forgot to introduce his podcast and oh my god that teleprompter kicks my butt every time.
	I don't use it on my show.
	I stay off of it as much as possible.
	I read my script so I know where we're going.
	I have my talking points but I don't read it because you can tell when people are reading it.
	You can tell.
	Yeah, and then I go and I do my own questions.
	They'll put up a reminder because I've already reviewed it with them so I can remember.
	And it's so much easier.
	And then you can look more authentic.
	But anyway, so I hear this snort.
	I'm like, leave it to me.
	I said, I might as well just start scratching my armpits and picking my nose.
	Like, really?
	Don't do that, because then you'll start eating crayons as well.
	It's all about the ratings, man.
	I told him I'll do a Sharon Stone.
	I don't need to wear a bra.
	I'm going to keep it moving, you know?
	It's all about ratings, people.
	Sorry.
	But, you know, I keep them laughing.
	Like, you've got to laugh at yourself.
	You've got to be a happy warrior.
	You've got to be a happy warrior.
	I might take a couple of calls with... Where's our man?
	He was taking care of video segments.
	Want me to call him back?
	No, he's here.
	Taking care of what?
	He was working on the video segments for the third hour.
	All right, I might open the calls.
	We might take a couple of calls with our guests, so... Calls on which segments?
	I might do it here or with Rebecca, but just... All right, yeah, I'll send it back.
	It is Friday.
	You're so funny.
	Are you being difficult?
	Seriously, you want topics?
	I just wanted to make sure there wasn't something... I'm not going to ask you about how to fix a Ferrari V12, okay?
	Live on radio, even if you know how to.
	I could do it.
	I bet you could, but relax.
	There's no trick questions.
	60 seconds.
	I just want to be ready.
	Headphones.
	Roger, bossy.
	I am.
	- Come. - All right, I'm back. - Sorry, one more time.
	Come in with cut 5.
	Cut 5, alright.
	40 seconds.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	My house heating oil doubled from last year.
	It went from four hundred and some dollars to almost a thousand.
	Wow.
	And that's probably going to be once a month until March or April.
	I'm a vet.
	And what happened in Afghanistan bothers me to no end.
	And I just think the whole economy's a mess.
	And I have to blame that on Joe.
	That is a voter from Pennsylvania, a vet, talking on, wait for it, wait, hold on to your chair, MSNBC.
	That must have been a live, live remote because otherwise they would not have shown that.
	We are talking to Jesse Jane Duff, also a veteran, gunnery sergeant in the Marine Corps, and more importantly for our purposes today, co-chair of the Veterans for Trump campaign last year.
	In that facility, you've been traveling the nation.
	You're one of the hardest working, you know, America First champions.
	What do you think is going to happen in the next few months?
	Because a lot of, look, we love politics.
	We eat, drink and sleep it.
	But most Americans, they just want to make the car payment at the end of the month.
	I don't think most Americans say, I'm a Republican or I'm a Democrat.
	They just want to live their lives.
	Do you think, given the last 12 months, do you think Americans like that gentleman are waking up Yes.
	So we all have friends that say, I'm not political.
	And I say, so but don't you want your do you want do you want full shelves?
	Do you want lower gas prices?
	Do you want illegals coming over the border at the rate of 2 million this past year?
	Do you want vaccine mandates?
	And based upon their answers, I always turn around and say, you are political.
	And if you are not getting engaged, you're enabling everything to continue.
	And I've said this ever since November 4th when everything started crumbling in front of our eyes as to what happened, right or wrong.
	We won't go into the election debacle itself, but I would say that Americans have to recognize not one person can fix this.
	You have to go with your school boards.
	I've been saying this for years.
	What happened because of COVID?
	Americans now are aware of who their school board is.
	They now are aware of different states' governors.
	You couldn't have named who the governor of Virginia was before.
	You couldn't have known who Governor Ducey of Arizona was before.
	Now people are paying attention because it's hitting those wallets that you're talking about.
	It's hitting their life.
	And they don't believe what they're saying.
	And even the left-wing media is starting to have to identify with this because their ratings are plummeting.
	It's fascinating what you're saying.
	If you know one of these people that Jesse's talking about that's waking up, here's an idea for you.
	Why don't you help them identify with what you believe in?
	Right now, especially when it comes to our veterans, let's remind the world who we are in this midterm election year.
	Go to SebGorgestore.com.
	It's all the America First gear made in America.
	It's the Let's Go branding gear.
	But perhaps most important of all, thanks to Phil from Philly, we have our Americans Abandoned in Afghanistan flag.
	We will never forget.
	It's a t-shirt, it's a flag, it is a reminder that we will not let this regime get away with just abandoning Americans.
	And it also has 13 stars on it for the 13 war fighters, Marines included, who were murdered just completely for no cause with that surrender of Kabul.
	Go to sebgorkastore.com.
	Let's send the message far and wide.
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	In the last 90 seconds we have with you You can use both barrels.
	Are you satisfied with what the GOP is doing since last November?
	Do you think they're ready for the midterms, Jessie Jane Duff?
	So I'm not.
	Somebody's going to sit here and bash the GOP because we don't have the majority in Congress.
	And I think a lot of Republicans fail to remember that.
	They consistently are like, what are they doing?
	What are they doing?
	I'm not talking about that.
	I'm talking about prepping to stop our election.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Because what you see that happened in Virginia, they were very strategic and they recognized they tapped into something that impacted everybody.
	Children, their schools.
	And when you tap into that, you're starting at the grassroots as they should have.
	But I want to recognize the biggest and most offensive thing that I got out of his speech two days ago.
	I make no apologies for what I did in reference to Afghanistan.
	For him to say that knowing that 13 died that day in an instant and kissed the face of God without any, any opportunity to live that day.
	They were set up to be killed, let alone the 20 some odd who've lost their limbs and probably will have traumatic brain injury.
	How on earth can you say make no apologies?
	Because that in itself is disgusting and he made it a cost issue versus the life issue.
	And I thought, I understand the cost, but you didn't have to have them killed to save us money.
	Yeah, and he went on to add fuel to the fire by saying, nobody told me, I heard of no plan that we could do that without those casualties.
	So what you're saying is those people had to die anyway.
	I know one person who would have made sure they wouldn't have died and his name is Donald Trump.
	God bless you, Jessie Jane Duff.
	Follow her, show her some love on Twitter at jessiejaneduff.
	She's also an ambassador with the America First Policy Institute and you can catch her on Newsmax.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	The End
	The End Can't make this up.
	No, the headphones.
	Mics are live.
	Okay, and here is Biden cut.
	15 seconds.
	Better.
	And so I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades.
	And it depends on what it does.
	It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having to fight about what to do and not do it.
	Great.
	Perfect.
	Good.
	Want to come in with that?
	No, I'll tee it up.
	Can you grab Al, line one?
	Yeah.
	America First, please hold.
	And, of course, have the cover of her book.
	- I'm gonna move that towards you, just turn.
	- Okay.
	- Perfect, good, good, good, thank you. - And of course, have the cover of her book. - As always. - 50 seconds. - I'm gonna take have the cover of her book. - As always. - 50 seconds. - I'm gonna take a quick call, I'm gonna play the cut, and Okay, got it.
	Are you on Twitter?
	Yes.
	Yeah, it's Rebecca0132.
	Great.
	K-A-H.
	Yeah.
	Uh-huh.
	Right.
	K-A-H.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	You'll go to a caller first, and then Rebecca.
	25 seconds. 25 seconds. 25 seconds.
	25 seconds.
	Did you hear what happened to Mike Lindell?
	I played the audio yesterday.
	His...
	Bank.
	Heartland Financial shut down nine of his accounts, including his personal account.
	Why?
	Because they're afraid that the FBI is going to investigate him for what?
	What crime exactly?
	That's Soviet tactics.
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	Let's show him some love.
	We have so many amazing guests, but you guys are the most important part of the show.
	I'm going to take one quick call and then get to our next guest.
	Al in California, line one, you've got a quick question.
	Okay, it's two quick questions.
	Tucker Carlson showed some footage he hadn't showed before of Hungary, and he said that he was talking with the head of the Border Patrol in Hungary, and he said that they had 50,000 people try to enter Hungary illegally last year, and they stopped everyone.
	That means Hungary at least has borders.
	The second question is, I have an idea for a war movie.
	What war movie would you like to see made that hasn't been made?
	I would like to see the war movie made about Crete.
	How about you?
	Yeah, I would like to see, um, before we got crazy and thought we could turn Afghanistan into Switzerland, we did the most amazing, um, irregular warfare campaign in October of 2001, with 300 special forces and CIA operators in the mountains of Afghanistan, leveraging 21,000 Northern Alliance fighters to take down the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
	So, That movie has yet to be made, but it's a great question.
	Thank you, Al, and happy, happy Friday.
	Now we've got to get back to geopolitics.
	We've got to talk KGB colonels in the Kremlin with former defense intelligence.
	Just call her Russia honcho.
	I think that was the official title on her business card.
	She's the author of Putin's playbook.
	She is in studio.
	Rebecca Koffler, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
	I'm delighted to be here with you and your audience.
	You may be delighted, but I'm sure you're not delighted with what the man in the White House said two days ago.
	This is what he had to say about Russia.
	Play cut.
	And so I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable.
	If it invades and it depends on what it does.
	It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having to fight about what to do and not do it.
	Just red team for us.
	You are in the Kremlin.
	You are Putin.
	You are Putin's advisor.
	When you hear the president of America say, you know, minor incursion, yeah, we don't care.
	What's the reaction?
	What are you thinking?
	Joe Biden just gave us a green light to invade Ukraine.
	There's absolutely no alternative assessment.
	This is horrifying.
	So if there was any question that Russia was going to reinvade Ukraine, after that speech, no question?
	Absolutely not!
	Joe Biden just violated the sacrosanct principle of strategic deterrence by eliminating intentional ambiguity.
	So the adversary is no longer guessing.
	The adversary knows what to do.
	Now the adversary knows what to do.
	Why?
	Because it's not just the quote-unquote commander-in-chief, it's this coterie of beta males around him, this secretary of state who was literally bitch-slapped by the Chinese communists in Anchorage, who now is trying to backpedal on behalf of the senile old man in the White House.
	This is Antony Blinkenman's statement after Biden put his foot in it.
	Cut six.
	We've been clear.
	If any Russian military forces move across Ukraine's border, that's a renewed invasion.
	It will be met with swift, severe and a united response from the United States and our partisan allies.
	When Antony Blinken says that with no energy, with his reputation of being laughed at by the Chinese, they realise in the Kremlin that this isn't Mike Pompeo talking, don't they?
	Absolutely not.
	I mean, this is the same set of characters, Sebastian, that we've seen under President Obama's administration.
	The Anthony Blinkens, the Wendy Shermans.
	I mean, this crew already had their chance.
	We were briefing them.
	At the Defense Intelligence Agency, there were all indications and warnings, I.N.W.
	as we call them, that Russia was developing a hostile anti-U.S.
	doctrine and strategy to destabilize our country and the West.
	And what did President Obama want to do?
	He wanted to dance the reset dance with Putin.
	Oh, you mean the overcharge button that Hillary gave to Lavrov, and Lavrov, classic Soviet-style, said in front of the cameras, no, Secretary Clinton, you mistranslated it.
	The plastic button you're giving me doesn't say reset, it says overcharge, and then he just chuckled.
	You mean that Obama policy?
	This is the, exactly, this is the huge diplomatic faux pas of the centuries.
	I mean, can you believe it?
	If the State Department is incompetent to even translate a simple word in Russian... One word!
	Not Dostoevsky, not War and Peace.
	Oh, one word.
	One word.
	What do you expect from them in terms of really figuring out how to put a strategy together, whether it's Russia or Afghanistan, I mean, or Iraq, or any of them?
	Now, before this, I thought they were going to use the old little green men tactic, a false flag, and then say, oh, Russian minorities are in danger, and then invade.
	Now I think they're just going to do it.
	What do you think?
	Absolutely.
	Well, Joe Biden gave them the go-ahead even before this stupid comment that John Sarkozy had a conniption about.
	So, President Biden effectively green-lighted Putin at their last rendezvous, you know, the virtual call, remember?
	Yes, yes.
	The late of December.
	Biden pretty much said, whatever you do, we're not going to intervene militarily.
	And the one thing that Putin was afraid of, as you know, Sebastian, that you were working shoulder to shoulder with our special forces.
	We have the best military in military history.
	And so that was the one thing that Putin was afraid of, because we are militarily superior.
	Correct.
	And so now it's off the table, so Putin is not afraid.
	And breaking news, guys.
	We're not making stuff up here.
	Senior Russia specialist, DIA, author of Putin's playbook.
	This is also the latest news.
	Prior to the Beijing Olympics, there will be a summit between Putin and Xi Jinping.
	And you know what they're going to talk about?
	I tell you right now behind closed doors.
	Hey, hey, Vlad.
	You can do that thing in Ukraine.
	Off you go.
	We're just going to take Taiwan.
	Don't worry about it.
	Sleepy Joe's going to be sleeping.
	You know it's going to happen.
	I don't do predictions.
	Very rarely I give you that right now.
	We'll be back with Rebecca in a moment.
	Follow her, Rebecca0132 on Twitter.
	That's Rebecca, K-A-H at the end, 0-1-3-2.
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	Can you go to Eric's office and get a Why We Fight and a War for America's Soul, please?
	Actually, get all three.
	All three.
	They should be at the back on the top of the bookshelf.
	Thank you.
	Do not critique my chapter on Russia.
	You're not allowed.
	Why would I do that?
	Because you know more than me.
	You're not allowed.
	Let me tell you, I underline, I highlight, I read your book, cover to cover, the Jihad book.
	Oh, you did?
	Oh, yeah.
	And I underline, before even I knew who you were, I'm like, wow.
	60 seconds.
	And the telegram, the long telegram, that was the best thing.
	Thank you.
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	Thank you, buddy.
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	You know my favorite kind of guest?
	The guest who says in the break, hey, can I get one of your books signed?
	That's what Rebecca Koeffler said and we're doing it right now.
	I'm signing them as we speak.
	We're going to squeeze in a quick caller and then we're going to ask her one more question.
	On topic, John, South Carolina, make it quick!
	You're expecting me to be a quick caller?
	I knew I picked the wrong John!
	Just try!
	Just try!
	Look, I've got a thousand things to talk about today.
	This is First Amendment Friday.
	What are you trying to do to me?
	I'm trying to pack everything in.
	High value.
	I want to get six hours of radio into three hours.
	Here's the quick one while you have your guests there.
	If we want to keep Putin and Xi Jinping in check, we need to tell them both that we will turn them into Joe Biden if they don't abide by us.
	We'll find the virus that turned Joe Biden into a senile old man and we're going to inject them.
	I love it, John.
	Stay on the line.
	We've got to say thank you for such a short call.
	John deserves some America First gear.
	Give him a hat.
	Give him what he wants.
	Let's go back to our special guest.
	Oh, if you want the books that she just got, Go to our store, sebgorkastore.com.
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	She's got the war for America's soul and why we fight.
	Okay, let's get in our time capsule.
	We've gone forward three years.
	President Trump is back in office.
	What is the first thing he does about Russia?
	What do you whisper to him?
	Well, actually, President Trump already did a lot of things about Russia, you know, despite the science fiction that the media was propagating.
	Collusion, collusion.
	Right, right, collusion.
	Trump is soft on Russia.
	This is absolute nonsense.
	Trump actually did three things that strike at the heart of Russia's strategy to destabilize America in the West.
	Thing number two, he established the Space Force.
	Yes.
	Right?
	The Russians actually established their Space Force back in 2001.
	So Trump understood that Russian strategy hinges on their vision to strike U.S.
	satellites during wartime.
	From this new dimension.
	Exactly.
	And to basically disrupt our ability to do missile warning, to do our navigation, to do precision targeting.
	So that's the first thing.
	We've got 90 seconds left.
	Second thing?
	Okay.
	The second thing is he authorized Cybercom to conduct cyber offense against the Russians, right?
	And the third thing, he authorized the development of low-yield nuclear warhead.
	Oh, that scares the Russians.
	Exactly, because that undercuts their nuclear doctrine.
	And I'll just add, while we were in the White House, we kicked out 63 Soviet spies after the attempted assassination, the Skripal assassination in Europe.
	We blockaded, we sanctioned the Nord Stream Pipeline.
	And how's this for Russia collusion?
	Under my boss's tenure, we told the DoD that they could kill 200 Russian mercenaries in Syria.
	Because, you know, that's what you do when you're in the pocket of Putin.
	That's how you deal with petty, petty authoritarians.
	She's Rebecca Koeffler.
	You've got to read the book, Putin's Playbook.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First on the Salem Radio Network.
	wherever you are, whatever you're doing, don't you dare touch that dial.
	Thank you.
	And, oh, we just had him on the line.
	Sorry, let me try that one more time.
	Hey, Boris, how you doing?
	Buddy.
	Good.
	Sorry, we were finishing up a read.
	We're in the break now.
	Minute and a half to going on the air.
	Perfect.
	I'm getting ready for my MSNBC appearance today.
	Oh, who are you going on with?
	Ari Melba.
	Oh, he invited me as well.
	Yeah, they're doing this whole, like, uh, you know, like, Gen 6 thingamajiggy blah blah blah.
	Yes.
	I said, fuck it.
	Crush him.
	Why not?
	Let's have a good time, right?
	Good.
	And I'm gonna smoke a cigar later.
	You should smoke while you're on set.
	That would be funny.
	What do you want, Mr. Melba?
	At some point during this segment, Wilkie will arrive, so I'll go get him.
	Okay, can you play cut ten?
	I'm gonna be like this.
	Cut ten, please.
	Cut ten.
	Oh, this guy.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	As you just heard, we are living through the worst assault on the right to vote since the Jim Crow era.
	And yesterday, on the Senate floor, white nationalists used the Jim Crow filibuster to block voting rights legislation.
	But they did not win the contest for the soul of our nation.
	I rise to affirm that we, the people, aren't giving up that easy.
	We never give up.
	All right.
	Come in with cut four after the intro, right?
	Come in with cut four after a liner, you guys.
	All right.
	Killing mics.
	Killing mics.
	Hi, this is President Trump. this is President Trump.
	And Sebastian is really a friend of mine.
	He's a great guy.
	He's been with me from the beginning.
	Listen to him.
	We all learn.
	The Allies are not united.
	Germany and France and others have different positions than the U.S.
	So everybody was falling all over themselves for the last 48 hours since that press conference, or however many hours we've been up since then, was to reaffirm Allied unity.
	But again, there's clearly disunity by the Allies as to what the sanctions would be if there were an invasion.
	And as you know, there was damage control immediately from the White House.
	Andrea Mitchell saying there's need for damage control in the Biden White House.
	I bet that was difficult for her to say.
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	Just a day or two ago, I was on Twitter and I saw an official statement.
	And I had to retweet it with these words.
	The Baron has spoken.
	You know who I'm talking about.
	My former White House colleague, special assistant to President Trump, special strategic advisor to the Trump 2020 campaign.
	And he's with us right now.
	Boris Epstein, Baron, welcome back.
	Boronia Wave here.
	The Boronia Wave is here.
	Welcome, welcome, welcome.
	So what is this statement?
	Have you joined the illustrious club of which I am already a member?
	Did they let you in as well this week?
	Well, that's what I've heard.
	That's what I've heard.
	You know, they put it on Twitter.
	They put it on every social media out there.
	So I just wanted to be clear.
	I wanted to be clear that, A, it is absolutely ludicrous, unacceptable, unconstitutional, but expected of the Stalinist witch hunt to be subpoenaed attorneys.
	And B, if they want to talk about the voter fraud in Arizona, in Georgia, in Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania, I'm here for that 1,000%.
	And I'm glad to walk them through the facts.
	Yeah, I can't wait.
	They subpoenaed my phone records, the phone records of my family, my children, my wife, and now this week they dropped the bombshell that the attorneys to the president, the people fighting election fraud like yourself, Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis and others, who are all attorneys, have also been subpoenaed.
	And Boris, I thought in America... I'm not a lawyer.
	I mean, you went to this fancy school right here called Georgetown.
	You are a Georgetown alum.
	Isn't there something called Client-attorney privilege in America?
	Well, there is.
	And there's also such a thing as having a ranking member on a committee and having minority representatives on a committee, not just have stooges like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger on it.
	So, well, everybody knows what this is.
	This committee, the unselect committee, as President Trump calls it, is just an illegitimate sham.
	And, you know, again, if they want to hear about the overwhelming fraud that happened in this country, we are happy.
	We're happy to share the information with them.
	And take it from there.
	But in terms of attorney-client privilege, it's obvious that the committee is reaching, the committee is desperate, they know that they've got absolutely nothing, and they know that the whole thing's been a sham for them to try to distract from just how awful, and feckless, and weak, and pathetic Joe Biden has been.
	Yeah, it's truly, truly stunning.
	I can't wait to be subpoenaed personally and to be in a closed room with Adam Schiff and then fake... Oh, your best friend?
	Yeah, good buddy, good buddy.
	And then people, you know, people crybabies like Adam Kinzinger and fake conservatives like Cheney, who, by the way, this is from a very good, well, it's from another congressperson who told me this.
	The Democrats, the Democrats are now raising money for Liz Cheney's re-election campaign.
	That's all you need to know.
	Okay, let's talk about the disaster who is the incumbent in the White House.
	And let's talk about the comments he made.
	I don't know if he's got a crystal ball, but he can see into the midterms and he can already predict that they're going to be stolen by...
	By Republicans?
	That's really weird.
	Until Jen Psaki furiously has to backpedal.
	This is The Propagandist in Chief, Cut 7.
	Well, I talked to the president about this last night and this morning.
	He was not intending to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the 2020 election.
	He was actually attempting to make the opposite point, which is that in 2020, despite COVID, despite many attempts to suppress the vote, a record number of voters, Democrats and Republicans, independents too, turned out in the face of a pandemic and election officials made sure they could vote and have those votes counted.
	He was also explaining that the results would be illegitimate if states do what the former president asked them to do in more than a half a dozen states in 2020, after the 2020 election, toss out ballots and overturn results after the fact.
	And his view is that one of the most important roles we can play now is informing and educating the public on what these laws are, on efforts to suppress their vote, and even beyond the laws, efforts in different states across the country to make it more difficult for them.
	So, for those who don't speak swamp out there, because we've got millions of listeners across the country, let me just translate that.
	Good Americans.
	Yeah, real Americans.
	When Biden says the next elections will be illegitimate, he doesn't mean to question their legitimacy.
	That's what Jen Psaki just said.
	So as the guy who ran the surrogates on TV for the White House, as a person who's done more TV than most people have had hot dinners, is she just stupid, Boris?
	She's stupid and she's bad.
	It's just terrible.
	And also, you know, it's actually a really bad combination of being terrible, of not knowing the issues, and also of being horribly condescending and awful, okay?
	So you tie all that together, and you got Jen Psaki.
	And by the way, the circular firing squad is amazing.
	Now people are throwing darts at Ron Klain, the chief of staff.
	Of course, everybody's saying how bad Jen Psaki is.
	And everybody saw the utter disaster that is Joe Biden.
	It is getting so bad.
	It is getting so terrible.
	We reviewed some polling this week that's come out over the one year anniversary of Biden illegitimately taking the White House.
	This guy's strongly approved, his strongly approved, is at 9%.
	Wow.
	So here's the question for you.
	Does this mean that, you know, poetically, I guess, on the anniversary, the first anniversary of his administration, has the honeymoon with the propagandistic lying legacy media, is it over?
	Is it beginning to end?
	Are we seeing a turn?
	Because of Andrea Mitchell's talking about, you know, damage control.
	Is this it?
	Is it happening?
	They're definitely having a rough patch.
	Kamala Harris was on CBS with Gayle King, and Gayle was laughing in her face.
	When you're pretty much calling her and the administration and Biden a joke to her face, it's become so bad.
	And the polling shows it.
	Only 28% of Americans, let me say this slowly, 28% of Americans want Joe Biden to run for re-election as of now.
	Only 48% of Democrats want him to run for re-election, as of now.
	So, the polling has gotten so bad and so terrible that the mainstream media, they have no choice, right?
	Because their viewers, their listenership, their audience see right through it, so now they're calling out the administration.
	And once they've lost that third rail, Sebastian, once that's gone, that support is gone, that's like, you know, on Wall Street, we call that a falling knife.
	Right?
	That's a knife that's falling from the sky, and that's what this administration is.
	It is an absolute and utter disaster, and you know, I was thinking about this yesterday.
	It's been a year since you and I were at Air Force Andrews, seeing President Trump take off for Florida, and it was a tough day.
	It was a somber day.
	I, you know, I share the feeling that it was stolen from us, and I'm angry about it.
	Full stop.
	But it was also a day of hope, because we knew.
	We knew how weak and feckless the Democrats are.
	We knew and know now how strong President Trump and the MAGA movement are.
	And the MAGA movement is only getting stronger, and now the legacy media can't ignore it anymore.
	Follow this man, BorisEP, Boris underscore Epstein on all platforms, BorisEP.com.
	So, do they have a plan?
	Because I don't think they had a plan in 15.
	I think they just wanted to get rid of Bernie.
	Now that this guy is an utter albatross and just an embarrassment and liability.
	What is the Democrat playbook, Boris?
	They're just going to try to struggle through it.
	They've got no plan.
	They've got no ideas.
	Part of their plan is bad-mouthing and vilifying Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema.
	Hey, there's an idea.
	Let's just tee off on our own and call them white supremacists.
	Not only that, how about Robert Reich?
	Robert Reich, the diminutive little propagandist Nobel laureate who said Kyrsten Sinema should have been slapped on the face by the Democrats, should have been backhanded.
	Why are all the misogynists on the left, Boris?
	The misogynists, the anti-semites, the racists, all the haters, they're all on the left.
	We are the party of opportunity.
	MAGA is the movement of opportunity, of strength, of unity, and that's coming through, and that's why we're going to have a huge November, and that's why I cannot wait for the moment when President Trump wins that election in November of 2024 and walks back into the White House.
	Guys, it's up to us.
	We can make that scenario the Baron's talking about happen.
	It's not up to him.
	It's up to us to make it happen.
	God bless you.
	Happy, happy Shabbos.
	This is America First on the Salem Radio Network.
	Next, former cabinet member from the Trump administration.
	We're going to be joined by Robert Wilkie, former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, to talk about Russia, Biden, and your security.
	This is not fake news.
	This is not CNN. CNN.
	CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN.
	CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN.
	CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN. CNN.
	I'm out.
	Okay.
	Mike's on, by the way?
	Mike's on, yes.
	Yes.
	Oh, the Biden Incursion cut.
	Yeah.
	I'll tee it up.
	In my reading today, I found that our great friend Carl Bernstein wrote a piece the day of President Reagan's second inaugural.
	old.
	Is he up to it?
	I don't know if Mr. Bernstein is going to be writing a similar talk.
	On Biden, yes.
	That is a very, very good question.
	Gosh.
	Well, they're turning on him.
	They're turning on him.
	They've had enough, but the trouble is, she could be even worse.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, President Trump lost a supporter yesterday.
	Meatloaf.
	Oh, Meatloaf, yes, indeed.
	Was that yesterday or today?
	When did he die?
	It was yesterday.
	Yesterday evening.
	I remember when he was on Celebrity Apprentice.
	I never watched that.
	Well, I'm going to expose Dr. Gorka's past here.
	Uh-oh.
	Meatloaf was a feature on a show in Britain that I now admit that I watched called Wipeout.
	It's a knockout.
	I love It's a Knockout.
	Andy Waring!
	Andy Waring.
	That's right.
	Meatloaf was on that?
	Yes, he was.
	He says he was on the most embarrassing episode when they had Sarah Ferguson You know you can't find that anywhere now, for copyright reasons or something.
	It's almost impossible to find.
	30 seconds.
	I love that show.
	I like the vibe.
	And Princess Anne was in it, too.
	Wow.
	Le jeu sans frontiers.
	Rest in peace Michael Lee Aday, otherwise known as Meatloaf, lost last night.
	May his family be given strength.
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	I have a challenge coin collection, which now has two editions that I am very honored to receive.
	They will have pride of place.
	We have, of course, the Secretary of Veterans Affairs.
	Lovely eggshell blue.
	Look at that lovely color.
	A rather large one because he was a cabinet member and from previously his service in the Department of Defense.
	We have both of those coins from one individual who served in both of those positions.
	And he's with us in studio, Senior Distinguished Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, Secretary Robert Wilkie.
	Welcome back to America First.
	So, as usual, we could talk for hours.
	Let's just have your reaction to what the incumbent said about Russia and Ukraine.
	Play cut.
	And so I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades.
	And it depends on what it does.
	It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having to fight about what to do and not do it.
	The president of the Ukraine has been making public statements.
	He says there is no such thing as a minor incursion.
	Is he overreacting?
	How much of a blunder could this be?
	Well, it is on par for this president.
	It's on par for 50 years of being wrong about every major national security issue facing us.
	And I thought about just how wrong it was this morning when this administration refuses to supply the Ukrainians with weapons that can make Colonel Putin's decision a little more difficult.
	And now they've bullied Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania into sending missiles to Ukraine.
	So now these three... The Lilliputian NATO members should be doing the job of protecting Ukraine.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And that's what this has come to.
	But there's a bigger picture here.
	Moscow's not the only one watching this.
	Certainly Beijing is.
	And they certainly see more weakness coming from the West.
	And the announcement that prior to the Beijing Olympics there will now be a two-way summit between Putin and Xi Jinping, that's not an accident?
	That's not an accident.
	Russia is the junior partner here, but anything Putin can do to upset the balance in Washington and the West, he's on the front foot.
	You and I have discussed, I mean, we have a huge problem in Germany.
	I mean, the Bundeswehr has been reduced.
	I hate to say it to an olive drab Meals on Wheels program.
	Yeah.
	And there's a pacifist, a staunch pacifist in the chancellor's office.
	And the notion that they're going to turn around when Putin goes hot and cut off fuel to Germany during the middle of a European winter is nonsensical.
	Just in case, you know, you're overreacting to Secretary Wilkie.
	What do you mean a pacifist?
	So when I was in the Defense Department, this is unclassified, I will share with you when I... Let's talk about when I went to Afghanistan.
	So I visited Afghanistan in 08 and I visited five or six different provinces and when you are told by members of the NATO alliance that at official meetings of the alliance You are not allowed, because of Germany, to use the phrase counter-insurgency for what is happening in Afghanistan.
	You are only allowed to talk about nation building or peacekeeping.
	Then you realize that this is not the alliance that we had during the Cold War, correct?
	That's exactly right.
	I'll go back to an episode in my past.
	I was at the Commonwealth Club in London and giving a talk.
	Two Tory members of the European Parliament objected to my thesis and said that the European Council, the EU and the EU, had done so much for peace and preserving peace in Europe.
	I said, well, no.
	The reason that there's been peace in Europe for the last 70 years is because 500,000 Americans have been in the middle of the continent preventing you all from slaughtering each other the way you have for over a thousand centuries.
	But that's the kind of affliction that has taken hold in all of Europe.
	Talk about the possibilities.
	The green light has been given.
	The White House has been desperately trying to walk back the comments in the last 24 hours to no avail.
	The conclusions have been drawn in the Kremlin by the former KGB colonel.
	If action is taken, I doubt it'll be a small false flag because now he is emboldened.
	It will be probably like the events in Crimea.
	What do you expect from Europe?
	You spent time in the UK.
	You grew up there.
	I served in the British reserves.
	You look at the capacity, the expeditionary capacity, it's almost nugatory.
	So what can you... Just put that in perspective.
	The Royal Navy, the shield of empire for 500 years, is now its smallest since the reign of Charles II, 1658.
	There is no capability and there is no desire, except on the part of our friends in Eastern Europe.
	Right, because they know.
	They know.
	If Biden were to do a sea change, the first thing he would do, he should do, is do exactly what Nixon did, and send a message to the Soviets in 1973 when the Egyptians came across that canal, the C5 started to flow immediately.
	There was nothing that Golda Meir needed that she couldn't get and the Soviets knew that this was serious on the part of the President of the United States.
	I don't expect that from this President.
	We have the ability to make it really prohibitive for Putin to move into Ukraine by supplying a now much larger Ukrainian army.
	Yes.
	One that has been fighting now for a long time.
	Let's be clear here, and as both former Trump appointees, we are not talking about nation building or US invasion of European nations.
	We're talking about what we did in the Trump administration, which is instead of shipping blankets, this is not a joke.
	If you do not believe me, Please look it up.
	The Obama administration, when Crimea was taken by Putin, shipped blankets to Kiev.
	First thing we did when we arrived is shipped anti-tank missiles.
	One of the few low-cost things they can do to make Putin think twice.
	Do not expect that from the Biden administration.
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	I did it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Fred, Fred Thompson.
	Fred Dalton Thompson.
	Oh, I love that guy.
	He came to prominence as Howard Baker's counsel during the Watergate.
	Really?
	I didn't know that.
	He sat right behind Sam Irvin.
	Got some camera time.
	But you know, it's interesting.
	I've said this before.
	President Trump He's not made a lifetime study of what you and I have done, and our interest.
	It wasn't his world, but he had an incredible instinct.
	And interest.
	He was very inquisitive.
	And the Ukrainian issue was right out of the Truman Doctrine.
	They're going to help you.
	We don't, we're not going to be there.
	Right.
	And the other thing is, is just the way, you know, think about the consequences of your having a state dinner with Xi Jinping.
	And it's just, I mean, it's his style.
	It's very unique.
	And you just whisper to Xi Jinping, I just dropped 52 cruise missiles on Syria.
	That's not a message for Xi.
	That's a message for everybody.
	That's little Kim.
	That's a message for Putin.
	It's like, I'm not going to invade countries, but you muck around with chemical weapons.
	Here's a little message for you.
	And being unpredictable is good.
	Because the other guy, he's worried.
	He's just worried.
	They know Biden's not going to do anything.
	And Bukowski said that Putin is just a dying little Stalinist.
	If you show strength, he's going to pull back.
	Right.
	If they push in the bayonet, if they feel no resistance, they keep on pushing.
	Right.
	And the fascinating thing about what people don't understand is he is a classic Stalinist officer with a massive chip on his shoulder because you have to look at his career.
	If you were a tier one Siloviki KGB guy, where was your tour of service?
	It was London, it was Vienna, or if you were lucky, if you were the best of the best, it was DC.
	Where did he serve?
	East Berlin!
	Not West Berlin!
	That's right.
	East Berlin!
	He was like a third-tier loser KGB officer and now that he's a the man because of what he did in in Moscow in the mayor's office he's got to have his revenge.
	Absolutely.
	People you've got to look at the you know the p-files of these guys.
	You know I I've never been able to find this and I haven't asked former Secretary Gates but I was told And I worked for him.
	He'd given an interview in Europe and somebody asked him if Putin ever came to his attention when he was head of CIA.
	He said no.
	He was always much too junior to ever come to the attention of the Director of Central Intelligence.
	Out!
	30 seconds.
	That sent a shot across the bow that you were in the presence of the master spy.
	You know, you talk about Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.
	Go back to Bob Gates.
	Bob Gates was on.
	Fifteen seconds.
	I'm going to go to the border with Adam and his name.
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	Robert Wilkie, it is a pleasure to have you back in studio.
	You quoted somebody anonymously when you came on this show, then you talked about him in the break, a consummate Beltway insider, an individual who not only served in the DoD but was director of the CIA.
	Bob Gates is the man who said, as an Obama appointee, That Biden has been wrong on every issue for four decades.
	Absolutely.
	And he's not breaking that trend.
	He's not.
	And Secretary Gates would probably add another decade to that now.
	Yes, now.
	But look at the track record.
	Wrong about Reagan.
	Wrong about the Reagan build-up.
	Wrong about the Contras.
	And it just goes on and on and on.
	Wrong about Clarence Thomas.
	That's his biggest sin.
	And even opposed John Layman.
	Biggest sin.
	And even opposed to John Layman.
	I mean, that's how.
	But if you need a bellwether event in Joe Biden's life, the one good thing that the Obama people did was keep in place the order to kill bin Laden.
	And when they finally found him, Biden was against it.
	Yes.
	And not only that, can I just color this in, not only was the then Vice President against killing of a man responsible for 9-11, think of this in the annals of leadership from the Peloponnesian Wars to World War II.
	What did the then Commander-in-Chief do?
	If you don't believe me, read Gates's memoir.
	Obama took a vote.
	A vote from his cabinet.
	Do you think Donald Trump would have had to have taken a vote on whether or not we kill Bin Laden, Robert?
	Or Winston Churchill.
	Or Winston Churchill, or De Gaulle.
	Especially De Gaulle.
	De Gaulle, by the way, I've got to give you one.
	De Gaulle would have pulled the trigger.
	I've got to give you one De Gaulle quote.
	He was in a press conference and someone asked him what he was going to do and he said, he always talked of himself in the third person, he said, De Gaulle is not of the right, nor of the left, nor of the centre, De Gaulle is above.
	We talked about Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
	Three small countries, two of them Germanic countries, that were swallowed by Stalin in 1940 while Hitler's attention was in France.
	And, you know, suffered under both the Nazis and the Soviets.
	I was in Riga a couple of years after they were liberated.
	And the Prime Minister, the President was a woman named Vika Friberg.
	The Iron Lady of the Bulge, she looked like Margaret Thatcher.
	And we were walking into her residence and a reporter yelled at her, well, do you trust the United States?
	And she looked at the reporter, she said, if we had not followed the United States, if we have not followed Ronald Reagan as a civilization, the Soviet Union would be intact and I would be in a prison.
	I have to find that.
	Eric, let's find that.
	Let's just remind everybody what real leadership looks like.
	It is not an exaggeration.
	Read John O'Sullivan's book, A Prime Minister, A President, And A Pope.
	Three individuals, our Ronald Reagan, my, as a former Brit, Margaret Thatcher, and blessed Saint John Paul II, those three individuals together did more than anybody else to save us from the threat of communism, just as Winston Churchill was the greatest statesman to save us from fascism.
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	Alright, Amanda.
	Hi, can you hear me?
	Yes, can you hear me?
	Am I good?
	I can hear you.
	Nice little product placement with that t-shirt.
	Right?
	Uh-huh.
	Shout out to my favorite gun company.
	So happy we got you on.
	Yes, thank you for having me.
	45 seconds, we're coming out with the Second Amendment Friday car arms piece.
	Yes.
	All right.
	And you are on Twitter, right?
	No, I'm only on Instagram.
	Only on Instagram?
	Yeah, I got two kids.
	I don't have time for that.
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	It's time for our second amendment guest.
	You know, it is rare, because I do have a problem, I have a serious health issue.
	I can't go past the gun store without buying a gun.
	So I have a rather significant collection of things that go bang.
	And it's very rare on social media that I follow somebody who Impressive to me with their posts, and I say, ooh, I need one of those.
	But I found her!
	She is, well, she goes by Mew.
	She'll explain that.
	She's Dr. Amanda Marza.
	I don't know if the- Hi.
	Hey, hey, I'm trying to read your feed here on Instagram.
	I don't know what it says behind your name.
	It says, Thonfer Urzur.
	Are those your pronouns?
	What is that?
	Yes, can you please refer to me as those?
	Otherwise, I will not respond.
	As long as you refer to me by my pronoun, which is King.
	Can you do that?
	Or Glancing Master?
	Okay, thank you.
	Master King.
	Okay, thank you.
	And it says you're a veterinarian as well, a professional shopper, and you like the Gucci-est pews on the planet.
	And I can concur.
	Welcome, welcome, Amanda, to America First.
	Thank you for having me.
	All right, so tell us about your gun life.
	Tell us how you got into it, what you do.
	I see you've got a nice t-shirt on with a great manufacturer called Noveske.
	So tell us about who you are and what you do.
	OK, well, first and foremost, I am a mother.
	And that's always been my main priority in life once I had my children.
	I am a veterinarian.
	I was a veterinarian before I was a mother.
	But second, I had kids.
	That took priority.
	And for my free time to have fun, I am on Instagram.
	I promote guns.
	I review guns and gear.
	I like to glamorize the gun culture and the importance of it.
	And I also like to encourage everyone, especially women, to conceal carry.
	All right, let's talk about what's happened to the gun culture in the last two years.
	Where I live in Virginia, it's been absolute insanity.
	When COVID hit, I go to my local gun store just to check out what they have.
	And literally, they're on the top floor of a building.
	And they have a long corridor from their store to the rest.
	There would be just a line of people waiting there.
	Well, personally what I witnessed was a lot of my friends coming to me and asking me for guns.
	They're saying, I went to the gun store, I'm looking for a gun, everything's out, do you have a gun?
	to new owners of weapons, especially female Americans?
	Well, personally, what I witnessed was a lot of my friends coming to me and asking me for guns.
	They were saying, I went to the gun store.
	I'm looking for a gun.
	Everything's out.
	Do you have a gun?
	And, you know, a lot of them have been my Democratic friends.
	And I was like, I told you this.
	I told you when things hit the fan, you're going to be coming to me to protect you.
	And some friends, I gave out guns.
	Some friends, I was like, you know, sorry.
	You just come to my house if anything happens.
	But they have to bring the ammo, right?
	Oh yeah, that's my main thing, I'm like, you can shoot whatever you want as long as you bring the ammo, because that stuff is gold right now.
	Unless you have your own loader, which I don't.
	And message to those new owners who took it seriously.
	What do you say to them, Amanda?
	I'm sorry, what was that?
	To new owners, people who've joined our culture in the last two years.
	What is your message to them?
	Welcome and we love you and we support you.
	And my main thing would be is to get training because A lot of people will buy a gun and they don't have the proper training, which means they'll never use their gun or they'll use their gun in the wrong way and you want to feel comfortable with your gun.
	And I have a lot of friends coming to me saying, I want to protect myself.
	What do I do?
	And sign up for a course.
	There's so many courses out and that is with the new gun culture that we kind of talked about earlier.
	This new gun culture is that There is training everywhere for whatever you want to really train in and because I think a lot of people are starting to lose a little bit of confidence or a lot of confidence in the government that they'll protect you because at the end of the day we have to protect ourselves.
	As the ancient saying goes, why do you carry a gun?
	Because the law enforcement officer is too heavy.
	Follow her on Instagram, it's Amanda Marza, or goes by Mu, that's Manda, Manda Marza, M-A-R-Z-A.
	Last minute we have with you, Amanda.
	We went to SHOT Show.
	We had a lot of fun.
	We broadcast from SHOT Show and everywhere we met and interviewed somebody.
	We did a little survey.
	It's going to be posted as soon as John edits it together.
	We asked people what their EDC is, what their everyday carry is.
	So in front of my millions and listeners of viewers, Mu, what is your EDC?
	My EDC, I have it right here, is my Glock 43X.
	Nice!
	T-Rex arm sidecars is the holster.
	They don't make it anymore, so good luck finding it.
	And is it standard?
	Have you had anything sexy done to it?
	No, it's standard.
	It's completely standard.
	That's the seventh person who said Glock, but we've got some very interesting exceptions to that rule.
	But there is a reason Gaston took over the law enforcement market.
	God bless you, Amanda.
	Follow her, Amanda Marza on Instagram.
	Keep doing what you do, especially for the There is sex in this nation.
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	It is great to be back in studio in the chair in front of the microphone and the cameras.
	We had a wonderful time at SHOT Show, but it's good to be back, even if we are broadcasting from the swamp.
	Welcome to America First One-on-One with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka.
	This is the opportunity to get the deep dive analysis of the big stories of the day, not soundbites, not talking points, and talk to those who know.
	Today's guest is a very special investigative reporter, not just because we don't really have many investigative reporters left, but because of her tender years, let's just put it like that, investigative reporter for The Pulse, Natalie Winters.
	Welcome to One on One.
	Thank you so much for having me back.
	You are absolutely welcome as one of the few people writing the truth about communist China.
	about FOM or about Fauci.
	The door is always open to you and your colleagues at The National Pulse.
	For those who aren't familiar with your work, I want everybody to follow Natalie right now on Twitter at NatalieGWinters.
	It's also TheNationalPulse.com.
	Read her writings, Rahim Kassam and colleagues.
	But for everybody who is new to One on One, For our audience of millions of listeners and views across the country, we'd like to start with a little bit of an introduction.
	So tell us about your long, long career, Natalie, what you're doing right now and how you ended up as an investigative reporter for the National Pulse.
	Well, growing up, as I'm sure many people listening feel the same way, I was really disheartened with the state of journalism in America.
	Right.
	It seems that there was never any facts being told by people.
	It was always just narratives and agendas being pushed by these huge corporate media outlets.
	So I kind of looked around and saw that there really was an open market, not just a market of ideas, but just an untapped avenue for true, solid, and fact-based investigative reporting.
	So that was kind of what I started doing.
	I've been doing it for a little over a year now.
	But as I started to kind of try to untangle and really unweave some of these very, very murky conflicts of interest that we see, not just in our nation's capital, But really throughout the beltway, throughout the country, and I think amidst this pandemic, we're learning throughout the globe, there are some kind of repeat offenders when it comes to the people who are responsible for, I think, the assault that we've seen on a lot of our freedoms and civil liberties that we've come to expect as Americans.
	And I think that the Chinese Communist Party, which is what I focus most of my investigative reporting on, is responsible for a lot of this, I would say, crackdown and just kind of lack of care for, I think, the principles and fundamentals that made America America that we see going on today.
	So I focus on, I would say, systemic corruption, really in Washington, D.C., among politicians, but all the way into academia, media, even to, you know, agriculture.
	That's an area that the Chinese Communist Party is really, really trying to exploit now.
	So I think for people to, you know, if you haven't read my work, you know, if you're looking around right now and you're trying to understand how America got to the point that it's at right now, where it seems like, you know, social credit scores and vaccine passports are not a distant reality, I would argue that that's not a fluke.
	It's, you know, It's part of a decades-long campaign waged by the Chinese Communist Party to really turn America into China.
	When I travel the nation, the audiences I speak to are all kinds of demographics.
	And I'll often speak to Turning Point USA events, lots of young Americans.
	And they ask me often for career advice.
	How do you get to be successful in a given field?
	Mine, of course, is national security.
	And I tell them the same piece of advice.
	And I think you're an exemplar of this advice.
	I say, whatever your passion is, You've got to make that the core of your career because then you have authenticity and then you are prepared to become that expert.
	So whatever it is, whether it's microbiology, whether it's communist China, whether it's counterterrorism as it was for me, become the expert.
	Eat, drink and sleep that topic.
	So even if you're in your Twenties, by the time you've done that for a few years, if you've picked a good mentor, you will become very rapidly indispensable to somebody in that field.
	They want somebody who's an expert on whatever it is, on oxy-cotton or in fentanyl, you know, smuggling or whether it's the policies of the People's Liberation Army.
	You need to become that person.
	So with that in mind, you know, you've really dug yourself into that specific topic.
	What advice would you give to those, because I wouldn't advise young people to become journalists.
	It has so become, as you said, just a corrupt industry.
	It has become a propaganda arm of left-wing forces.
	Is there any career advice you would give from your perspective, having dug yourself into this investigative journalist role?
	What would you say to those who may be thinking of journalism for themselves?
	You know, you are totally correct.
	I stumbled into this field growing up.
	I never wanted to be a journalist, not just because like I was talking about the decline of just the profession.
	But frankly, I think most journalists today They're just, you know, as I think I've heard other people call them, the blue checkmark brigade on Twitter.
	All they seem to do is get mad and they want to engage in cancel culture and, you know, call out random people for saying random things.
	So, you know, I think journalism is a hard term because it's come to mean something, which, you know, the left loves to do with a lot of words, kind of misappropriate the meaning.
	But I think journalism in its truest sense, I feel weird, you know, career advice, but I think you are so correct in that, you know, finding something that you're passionate about.
	But I think, you know, for people who are interested in working in politics, I think the most important thing you can do is just not have conflicts of interest, because I think that that is why the National Pulse shines through as an actor.
	Explain that.
	That's a very technical term, conflict of interest.
	So explain how that looks like in reality, because I think you're right.
	I think you've hit the nail on the head that most of the people who are reporting on things, they really shouldn't be reporting on, Natalie.
	So expand on that.
	Exactly.
	So I think there's two forms of conflicts of interest that I'm talking about.
	I lived in DC for a year and a half, so sometimes I kind of get lost in Beltway speak, but I think one of the apparent conflicts of interest that anyone who, you know, you turn on CNN for 15 seconds and you can tell, it is that, you know, people aren't forthright with the biases, you know, explicit and implicit that they have, whether that's a political agenda or just, I mean, frankly, I think a lot of people that you see on the television today,
	They won't admit it publicly, but they are very, very, very far left, especially on social issues.
	But they pretend and they operate under a guise of neutrality.
	But I think that is a little self-explanatory, just always being forthright with the biases that you come to the table with.
	I'm a conservative, unabashedly.
	But I think what I'm speaking about more specifically, and maybe a little more esoteric, a little more D.C.
	So many journalists that I know that I've dug into their past, starting from exchange programs that they've done in college to visiting fellowships that they've had, they've all had some link to foreign countries.
	Nine times out of 10, it's the Chinese Communist Party.
	So I think that, and of course, this goes the same with a lot of these lobbyists and people who are working on the Hill and in federal government.
	They just get contaminated.
	I always describe Chinese Communist Party, but really even more broadly, foreign influence, as just toxic and whether that's getting these paid fellowships at state-run institutions in China, whether in some cases it's going to journalism school overseas or, this is a perfect example, the director of cinematography for the New York Times, not a small role, the director of cinematography for the New York Times, not a small
	He previously, his name was Jonah Kessel, he previously worked for China Daily.
	And he actually had a host of tweets where he explained that, quote, "Working for the Chinese Communist Party has its benefits." That's a direct quote.
	We exposed quotes like that and a host of others where he literally admits to working for the Chinese regime.
	After we published that story, he promptly deleted all of those tweets and wiped his Twitter.
	That's a scalp for the National Pulse.
	But again, China Daily is an outlet that runs Beijing propaganda, denies the Uyghur genocide.
	But let's be clear here to all of our millions of listeners.
	This isn't just about conflict of interest with China per se.
	We can talk about one of the mainstream media television hosts who is, let's just say his name might be Chuck, whose wife is a big, big campaign manager, PR individual.
	Who had a multi-million dollar contract with Bernie Sanders during the last election.
	But when Bernie Sanders was on this individual's TV show, did he reveal that his wife was working for him, for Bernie Sanders?
	Of course not.
	So this is the yardstick conflict of interest.
	We're talking to investigative journalist for ThePulse.com, Natalie Winters.
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	Natalie, you have built an incredible reputation in just a matter of months, literally, with your investigative journalism on China, on the communist regime, on its tentacles across the Western world.
	We'll talk about that, what they're doing across the planet, but would you start As somebody who's really dug themselves into this issue, will you explain to those who don't follow foreign policy, who aren't familiar with what happened after 1948 in mainland China, what China is today?
	Because some people think, well, you know, we work with them, we buy their goods, big American companies, Google, Microsoft, they're working with China.
	So it can't be that different from America.
	Will you explain just how truly different a nation today's China is?
	Sure.
	Well, I will steal a term that the left loves to use to describe climate change, and that is existential threat.
	Any time you hear someone say those words, they should be talking about the Chinese Communist Party, yet it seems that we use that to describe climate change and racism and gender discrimination, all these weird things that the left likes to come up with.
	But no, China, more precisely the Chinese Communist Party, really is the greatest threat that the United States faces today.
	And I think a lot of people, when they're critiquing the way that the Chinese Communist Party runs their country and influences the world, focus on the human rights abuses that they carry out.
	And that's obviously important, what's going on in Xinjiang is just part of the equation That's the tip of the iceberg really across the country.
	Let's stop there.
	Let's stop there.
	Let's talk about that.
	So that is the main optic through which it is.
	If it is treated negatively, it is that.
	So let's stop for a second, put a pin in that.
	So what are the human rights abuses and how bad are they in communist China, Natalie?
	Sure.
	Well, you know, people smarter than me, human rights researchers, even human rights groups that, you know, believe me, are not necessarily the biggest critics of China.
	They're pretty left wing in their orientation.
	They've put out study after study documenting really what they call modern day concentration camps, really internment camps that's going on in Xinjiang province, which is in the northern part of China, where they used to detain Uyghurs, which are a Muslim minority ethnic group.
	But it's not just what's going on in Xinjiang.
	You can also look in Tibet, Mongolia.
	Really, I think what it comes down to is any ethnic group that is not, you know, Han Chinese, kind of on the outskirts of the country, that there's some history there where they're not fully Chinese.
	You all see this going on in Taiwan too.
	China does not like that.
	They don't like any of these kind of alternate identities because it's a threat to their power, to their authority and to their control.
	Because they want to have a unitary identity.
	If you're in China, you are Chinese and you are a communist, correct?
	Exactly.
	That's what they want.
	And if you don't worship at the altar of the Chinese Communist Party, your life is pretty miserable.
	And I think the best example of that, and what I was sort of saying with the human rights allegations and accusations, which again, as I've said, are documented extensively, not just by, you know, right wing media and China hawks like myself.
	But that's just, you know, one part of a much bigger picture.
	And I think that the reason that the Chinese Communist Party gets away with treating their minority populations so poorly is because they know the West is never going to hold them to account.
	Um, But I think that you can really kind of analyze what's going on in places like Xinjiang against people like the Uyghurs.
	And it dovetails very nicely with what the Chinese Communist Party is doing with regard to social credit score.
	In other words, if you go against the regime, and again, it might be hard to listen to this.
	It's kind of similar to what's going on in the United States, right?
	If you go against the Biden regime.
	Um, you know, your social credit score, you get your internet restricted, you can't get access.
	Again, again, you're in this, you eat it, you drink it every single day.
	101 basics.
	What is social credit?
	And what is a social credit score?
	And how is it used by the regime in China?
	Let's do the 101.
	Sure.
	So it's this, these programs are still being built out, but so they're sort of in their infancy.
	But in there, I would say, Perfectly materialized and realized ambition.
	There are a variety of platforms.
	One of the largest ones is called Alipay, which is linked to Alibaba is a company people may have heard of.
	Alibaba is like the, you know, the Amazon of China.
	Right.
	So essentially, I mean, as dystopian as it sounds, I'm sure I sound, you know, very hyperbolic in my descriptions, but any little action that you do, Whether it's running a stop sign when you're driving, all the way to certain internet purchases that you make, all of that can be seen by the regime in China.
	And they adjust your social credit score accordingly.
	And what your social credit score is about is basically, here's a perfect example.
	There's actually a very interesting Business Insider article, which I encourage people to read because it documents it really well.
	But there's a story of a lady who I guess she didn't stop at a stoplight and her social credit score dropped so she was taking a train ride and when she got on the train she wasn't allowed to buy a first-class ticket because for a host of reasons she attributed to not stopping at a stop sign her social credit score wasn't high enough and then when she got to the place she was going on the train Yeah.
	the hotel that she wanted to stay at, she couldn't stay there because they wouldn't let her, because her social credit score wasn't high enough.
	And what's so interesting about this Business Insider article, they give one counter example.
	Of course, it's a mainstream media outlet, so they're going to defend the Chinese Communist Party.
	But they say, citizens are already feeling like these social credit scores are making them better citizens and better people.
	- Wow.
	- But basically-- - Let's get-- - Let's get-- Let's just stop there because this is my biggest problem and I understand you've got to give it a name and I don't know who came up with it.
	Social credit rating sounds innocuous.
	It sounds like credit rating.
	So, you know, do you pay your bills on time?
	Have you not paid your credit card?
	What we're talking about is a state controlled measuring system for whether you are a good citizen in the opinion of the state which means in china are you a good communist and if you're not doing things the communist one-party state wants you to do then you will suffer because you're
	Social credit score is dinged and then your rights will be automatically infringed because the state controls everything.
	So I don't know, maybe Natalie, we could give you a little bit of homework after we finish our one-on-one today.
	I think we need to come up collectively with a better term because this is about being a better quote-unquote subject.
	Not even a citizen, a better subject of a regime, and they get to control the scoring system.
	And the scoring system is put in place for one reason.
	That reason is to curtail your rights even more if you don't do what the regime wants you to do.
	We're talking to Natalie Winters, investigative reporter for The National Pulse.
	You've got to follow her and her colleagues there.
	It is thenationalpulse.com.
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	Let's talk about the last two years.
	Let's talk about Covid.
	Let's talk about the most obvious thing.
	It seems as if now we're suddenly allowed to talk about the Wuhan lab and the Wuhan leak theory.
	As somebody who was tracking this stuff, breaking stories almost weekly, give us a summary of just how bad The legacy media's reporting was of an outbreak of a coronavirus in the same city as the only level four military biodefense lab of the Chinese regime.
	Well, I believe there's a saying that the only difference between conspiracy theories and these mainstream media narratives are like six months.
	And I think that the lab leak theory and what's been going on is probably the best example of that to date, though I would argue there are a lot of contenders.
	No, you are very right.
	At The National Pulse, since the early onset of COVID-19, we've really, really been digging into where this pandemic came from, where this virus came from, and really, All roads, literally, metaphorically too, but have led to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
	But I think the really, really interesting part of this story here, you know, isn't just the unearthed documents that we found that have been deleted from the Wuhan Institute of Virology's website, where they talk about manipulating bat coronaviruses to reach, quote, epidemic strains, of infection, the deleted webpages that showed that the Wuhan Institute of Virology listed the National Institutes of Health as a research partner, that they had received funding from them.
	But what's most...
	And again, I'm sorry I do this, but I want people to understand this is important because we're not talking about a Swiss research facility or a Belgian research facility.
	We're talking about Communist China's military defense lab being an official partner of the United States government and putting it on their web page.
	I want our listeners to be clear what Natalie is saying.
	Sorry, carry on.
	No, you're so right.
	And so you I get very in the weeds of some of this stuff.
	So I forget to emphasize just how under the thumb of China's military, this lab was, and even frankly, the Chinese Communist Party, I dug into their website a lot, their Chinese language website.
	And I'm proud to say that I think because of that, they've deleted massive portions of the website.
	Well done.
	But before, right, but before they did that, um, it was really interesting to see they had several, several military researchers listed on there as leading various research departments.
	And actually, what's even more interesting, I've gone through a lot of the documents that the Wuhan Institute of Virology puts out for new hires, and if you want to apply to work at that lab.
	And they stipulate that if you apply, you have to be a member of the Chinese Communist Party, and you have to be committed to a, quote, socialist agenda.
	So that's, again, kind of the social credit score, this idea that you have to have a certain set of morality to work at this lab.
	And they actually admit even other webpages that we found that have been deleted, to holding the These basically party devotion sessions where they make the members pledge to implement China's agenda, quote, without compromise.
	But what's I think so interesting about that, right?
	You never hear that narrative about the Wuhan Institute of Virology in the mainstream media from the fact checkers.
	In fact, I think the only time you ever hear the words Wuhan Institute of Virology, at least in the early days of the COVID pandemic, Um, was when, for example, one of Facebook's top fact-checking partners, a group called Lead Stories, in order to debunk stories that the National Pulse and other outlets were putting out about the Wuhan Institute of Virology's bioweapons program, they would actually quote researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology to discredit our allegations.
	And then similarly, you saw a bunch of outlets, Business Insider was one of them, Even the New York Times, of course, CNN, but a lot of the experts that they were quoting, again, the people that they would lead their stories with, a lot of times they'd include these quotes in the headlines from various epidemiologists.
	We really did intense investigative reporting to find out, which believe me, it wasn't that hard because the conflicts of interest are so deep, but how these people were tied to the Chinese Communist Party.
	For example, Dr. Ian Lipkin, one of these voices that if you turn on CNN, there's probably a good chance he's on there, always from day one said COVID could not have leaked from a lab, developed in the wet market.
	Well, on his resume, he lists himself as...
	As an advisor to the Chinese Communist Party.
	Incredible.
	We're going to talk about how you got to do that.
	But you need to be reading this woman's copy.
	It's thenationalpulse.com.
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	You're not some guy, you're not a gal in the heart of the DIA or the NSA.
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	A hundred percent.
	I just go straight to the source.
	Imagine that.
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	All right.
	Let's let's jump to what you've been doing lately, which is the pharma industry, Pfizer and Fauci.
	So I want people to read and follow your work, but just give it a taste, a teaser of the things that the mainstream media will never tell you about China, Pfizer, Fauci and Wuhan.
	It's really the new axis of evil, I think.
	But no, we've been documenting the massive, massive lobbying spending, unprecedented increases.
	I'm talking hundreds of people, hundreds of people whose salaries you used to pay, all ex-federal government employees, working on behalf of these pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer, like Moderna, to ensure that you can't do anything if you don't get a vaccine.
	And of course, they're aided and abetted by Anthony Fauci.
	But I think one of the biggest stories we've had recently was talking about how Pfizer actually partnered with China's Basically social credit score.
	I know we don't like that term, but until I come up with a better one, I'll have to use it.
	But with the leading platform in 2018, just months before COVID happened, how they actually partnered with this program.
	And in the tweet where they announced the partnership, they say, quote, we are proud to stand with the leaders of China.
	So you got that going on.
	Hang on.
	Can you just, I want to make sure I heard that correctly.
	So did you just say that Pfizer said they proudly stand with the leaders of the world's largest communist dictatorship.
	Did I hear you correct, Natalie?
	That is a direct quote.
	Wow.
	In their own words.
	What else do we need to know about Fauci, federal funds, connections to Wuhan?
	What is the thing, let me put it like this, what's the thing that shocked you the most in all of your research?
	Ooh, that is a very good question.
	We have a story coming out very soon that details the really, I would say, unprecedented surge.
	I'm talking over 300% in investment income.
	That was garnered by EcoHealth Alliance, which people may know as the very controversial non-profit that received funds from Anthony Fauci to collaborate on bat coronavirus research with Wuhan.
	Can I get precision in word usage as an old intelligence guy?
	Cut out, OK?
	The EcoAlliance is the cut out.
	That allowed Fauci to send a lot of our money to the communist biodefense lab in China.
	So sorry, carry on.
	And yes, in the year before COVID-19, their investment profits were like under $100,000.
	It's a nonprofit, so you can see on the 990s.
	But following the pandemic, it surged to nearly $400,000.
	And that is, of course, amidst this group, EcoHealth Alliance, continuing to get millions in taxpayer-funded grants since COVID-19 began.
	And I think to me, the most insane part of the whole story is that EcoHealth Alliance got not just one, but two PPP loans from the federal government worth millions of dollars.
	In other words, the group that likely helped create and start this pandemic is now getting taxpayer funds to fund their salaries to keep doing risky gain-of-function research in partnership with the Chinese Communist Party, which the president of EcoHealth Alliance frequently goes on interviews defending and says, oh, people just quote, misunderstand, unquote, the Chinese Communist Party.
	So I think in all of this, that was something that really struck me.
	And then of course, for me, it's the idea that Western nations, not just the United States, but the UK and others, actually copied Communist China's lockdown policies.
	How about that?
	Did that shock you?
	Well, you know, it honestly didn't shock me because as someone who has been looking back, you know, I've been alive for just two decades, but I've done my research, you know, much, much prior to that.
	And I think it really is a systemic and very calculated campaign that we got to a point where Western civilization and the foundation that we rest upon had been chipped away, right?
	COVID-19 was the tip of the spear.
	To undergird, or underride, override rather, those foundational elements.
	But I think that shaft of the spear that they've been using to drive into Western civilization is 100 years long.
	So it's a really, I think, like I said, systemic and calculated campaign.
	So I'm not surprised that the Western governments, you know, I would say almost all of them have really been acting in concert with Chinese style lockdowns.
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	You are impressing the world with your coverage of China and the Wuhan outbreak.
	But let's zoom up to the 50,000 foot question because you're working with Rahim Kassam, the The crazy man of conservative investigative journalism, a man we have to thank in part at least for the incredible success of Brexit in the UK as a right hand to Nigel Farage.
	So let's talk about politics, choir politics.
	When you look at the swamp's interaction with the threat of Wuhan and the China virus, do you concur with people like Steve Bannon?
	Because you're looking at conflict of interest and corruption.
	Left and right doesn't seem to make much sense today.
	Are we in an age of the Uniparty, as Steve Bannon calls it, of the globalist interests vice the actual people and the idea that we have at least a MAGA movement, which is economic nationalism?
	Have you found labels which work for the political environment that you are comfortable with that make more sense than just left and right?
	Totally.
	I think that Republican and Democrat, you know, what does it even mean to be a Republican anymore, right?
	The fact that Adam Kinzinger and Marjorie Taylor Greene are in the same party really makes no sense.
	Similarly, you gotta you know, similar chasm on the left side of things.
	But I think I like the label of globalist elite.
	I'd also probably throw, I think, Marxist in there because I think that's the end game.
	But I definitely think that COVID-19 has really exposed the flaws within this party system in terms of making more people attune and tune in to this idea of economic nationalism and really reorienting, not just in the United States, but kind of the global political landscape not just in the United States, but kind of the global political landscape to be the elites
	And I think that is frankly why you see this massive, massive censorship crackdown, this massive, massive media crackdown, even a massive federal government crackdown, because they know that if the entire world were to understand that these artificial divisions they've created, Republican, Democrat, left, right, if those were to dissipate, if those were to go away,
	they would really lose their power because within economic nationalism were these ideas that American government policy should benefit Americans and the American they would really lose their power because within economic nationalism were these ideas that American government policy Right.
	The elites are not happy with those kind of policies.
	And that's when you hear all about this, oh, we gotta keep nationalist sentiment down, we gotta keep populist sentiment down.
	It's all just one word for the same thing, and that is average Americans waking up and realizing that their government is not fighting for them, they're fighting for C-suite executives and companies that wanna do business in China. - Yeah, it's the globalists, the quote unquote self-anointed elite advice, the average or real Americans. the quote unquote self-anointed elite advice, the average or real Thank you, Natalie Winters.
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