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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: They want you to believe Putin's afraid of Sleepy Joe

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	The meeting with Putin, I was very straightforward.
	There were no mince words.
	It was polite, but I made it very clear.
	If, in fact, he invades Ukraine, there will be severe consequences.
	Severe consequences.
	Economic consequences like none he's ever seen or ever had been seen in terms of being imposed.
	Consequences the likes of which Vladimir Putin has never seen.
	Truly, really, do you believe it?
	Welcome, dear friends, to America First with me, Sebastian Gorka, former strategist of President Trump and member of the National Security Education Board.
	There's one person who can give us the real answer to that question.
	Former senior intelligence officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency, the author Of the most relevant book today, Putin's Playbook, Russia's Secret Plan to Defeat America.
	Rebecca Koffler, welcome to America First.
	Thank you, Sebastian.
	Pleasure to be here.
	So let's do a little red teaming exercise.
	Let's pretend we are in the Kremlin.
	We work for Vladimir Putin's inner circle.
	How do they think that this conversation went?
	Are they afraid of Joe Biden, Rebecca?
	Putin is shaking at his boots, Sebastian.
	Of course they're not afraid.
	Not only they're not afraid, they view our chief executive as extremely weak and very easy to manipulate.
	They are trying to make Biden believe that Putin views him as a serious person with whom the former quote-unquote KGB officer can do business.
	But in reality, they have a fact that the Biden presidency presents a window of opportunity for the Kremlin to fulfill its strategic objectives of rebuilding the former Soviet Union, or the Union as they already are calling it.
	So the next natural question is, given the amassed 100,000 Russian troops on the Ukrainian border, the exploitation of the refugee crisis through Belorussia into Poland, what would you counsel right now if you were working for an administration that hadn't evinced a weakness, if you had to give advice to the decision makers at the highest level of the White House.
	Is Putin going to go to war after he tested the metal of Joe Biden and found it wanting, Rebecca?
	So, bottom line, Putin calculates that the risk of the Kremlin pushing forward to rebuild the Russian Empire, including integrating Ukraine, is low right now, given U.S.
	chief executive's perceived weakness.
	So Putin likely calculates the risk as acceptable and worth the benefit.
	However, he is not quite sure how far he can push, and this is why he is varying the fourth posture.
	As we know, the fourth posture is between, right now, between 94 1,000 and 114,000 troops, including heavy weaponry, including operatives, both GRU and SVR on the ground.
	So Putin is testing our responses, and he is testing whether NATO has the stomach to go to war with Russia, which is a nuclear power.
	Unfortunately, in terms of advice, Seb, it's very difficult right now to give advice because the Biden administration has placed us in an untenable position, having demonstrated to Putin that he has simply no guts and no capability having demonstrated to Putin that he has simply no guts and no capability to We have withdrawn from Afghanistan after 20 years, even the Russians learned in 10 years,
	Basically, inevitable so-called defeat.
	Nobody has really been able to control Afghanistan.
	So we surrendered that, and also the Pentagon is more interested in indoctrinating its military officers in Marxist ideologies rather than how to win battles, and Putin knows that.
	So I am struggling to give Biden advice, you know, other than resign and get a strong leader.
	be in charge of the United States, where we can pursue a real, forceful, robust policy, similar to that of the former administration.
	And what is the pretext going to be?
	We look at past conflicts, South Ossetia, Transnistria, we look at Crimea and very often the line from the Kremlin is, oh we have ethnic Russians in this country and they're being assaulted and we have to protect them.
	Is Putin even going to bother with an excuse if he goes back into the Ukraine with force, Rebecca?
	He likes to have an excuse, and the way that he typically does it is he wants to blame the West and NATO for forcing his hand.
	So today there's a piece on Russian military-industrial Korea, which channels the Kremlin's propaganda, typically.
	The piece was written by the so-called, quote-unquote, Who works for the think tank, which Putin created specifically to channel propaganda and so-called analysis.
	This think tank is called the Russian Institute for Strategic Analysis, comprises of officers from the SVR and the GRU.
	So in this piece, someone, Mr. Sivkov, ...has already stated that it is the West, it is NATO, that are forcing President Putin to act swiftly and rapidly in Ukraine.
	So they are laying the groundwork for possible invasion or possible coup against Zelensky, to remove Zelensky, to conduct a regime change that the Russians continuously accuse us of.
	But she wants to maintain flexibility.
	The fourth posture allows for both.
	Either swift annexation and invasion or any other kind of destabilizing activities that she has been conducting for several years at this point in Ukraine.
	And why now?
	Could you explain to us, Rebecca, why now?
	Is it truly the perspective of an EU membership for the Ukraine or potential NATO membership?
	Is there any reason why Putin is getting aggressive today?
	Well, it's very simple, Sebastian.
	He views it that the risk is low, that Biden and NATO are not really going to react.
	He has assessed that the Russian intelligence services, rather, who place the premium on conducting psychological profiles on foreign leaders, and specifically, particularly, U.S.
	leaders, because, as you know, Russia views the United States as its top threat.
	So they have assessed that there's really no stomach, that there's potentially, you know, cognitive impairment, And President Biden will not stop Putin.
	And NATO is divided right now.
	Former President Trump was trying to compel NATO to really man up and start paying their fair share.
	And unfortunately, some countries like Germany have a pretty, you know, cozy relationship with Russia.
	You know, they're supporting Nord Stream 2.
	There's nothing like having a former German Chancellor, Gerhard Schroder, be one of the people working for Gazprom.
	The Russian government gas company.
	That's how cozy the relationship is.
	We're talking to Rebecca Koffler, former senior intelligence officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency, the author of Putin's playbook.
	Much more from Rebecca momentarily.
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	We have Kurt Schlichter with us one-on-one in the third hour.
	A special, special topic for the second hour we will share with you and Sean Davis later in the opening hour.
	But we have to go back to the news of the day, the so-called Putin-Biden summit, and analyze it with the person who literally wrote the book.
	It's called Putin's Playbook.
	Former DIA senior intelligence officer, Rebecca Koffler.
	Rebecca, what is this?
	I mean, look, he's clearly a bad guy.
	He's a killer.
	Former KGB colonel.
	He has no problem getting journalists assassinated, invading his neighbor's countries and taking their territory.
	Is there anything that Vladimir Putin is afraid of, Rebecca?
	Well, yes, there's one thing he's afraid of, Sebastian.
	Russia views the United States as superior militarily overall, but specifically with regard to its kinetic capability.
	And they are afraid of war, of direct confrontation between the U.S.
	and NATO.
	They would like to avoid it.
	They would like to destabilize the U.S.
	and the United States from within.
	But they actually are prepared to go to war with both NATO and the U.S.
	Because they believe it's inevitable, considering we're on a geopolitical collision course in terms of foreign policy.
	So, in order to bypass that US military superiority, the Russians developed what's called the New Generation Warfare.
	And this is why we see relentless cyber attacks from Russia to which President Biden and his administration have not responded in any way.
	That's why we have recently seen the anti-satellite missile test that the Russians launched.
	This was a direct message to the U.S.
	and NATO that Russia will quote-unquote blind and deafen U.S.
	satellites On which we're dependent not only for every aspect of our warfighting capabilities, navigation, targeting, missile warning, command and control, but also every aspect of our civilian life.
	You know, GPS provides us direction, provides us, you know, we do banking.
	So, in that sense, Putin is not afraid, really.
	And to ensure that he's not afraid, a special doctrine was developed on his Order in order to defeat the United States if they if needed so to speak Now, you know, you talk about this administration that has no idea who they're dealing with.
	In your studies, in your work at the Defense Intelligence Agency, which nations really get it and understand the Kremlin?
	Does it have to be those in their vicinity?
	I was very impressed by, I think it was a Latvian study on Russia's way of warfare.
	In the vicinity, who are the countries that understand the threat that the Kremlin poses under Putin?
	So, of course, it's the countries who have direct experience with being under Russia's thumb.
	It's the Baltics, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, the Poles, right?
	So, like yourself, I was very impressed with some of the open source, you know, intelligence analysis that come out The military establishments of the Baltics, right?
	So, unfortunately, you know, those voices are very, sort of, they're muted, right?
	And these countries are actually the ones, unlike the Germanys of NATO, they pay up their fair share and more into the NATO's kidding, because
	They realized the importance of countering, from the defense standpoint, Russia's plan to basically reverse the outcome of the Cold War and reintegrate the post-Soviet space into Putin's sphere of influence again.
	And a very simple question.
	There couldn't be a greater difference between this White House and the White House I served in.
	What did Vladimir Putin think of Donald Trump?
	Was he afraid of President Trump?
	He feared President Trump.
	He feared.
	And in Russian mindset, fear equals respect.
	That's how they think.
	He feared President Trump for several reasons.
	Even though Putin never really directly, you know, assaulted in, you know, in any kind of derogatory manner Trump.
	He was trying to, kind of, say good things about him, but that was primarily because he wanted tear our country apart, to fuel the fake narrative, you know, about the collusion.
	Putin understood that very well.
	But he feared Trump because Trump is the one who acted very swiftly, both in short term and in long term to counter Russia's strategy.
	In the short term, one of the examples is that President Trump authorized a missile strike on 300 Russian mercenaries in Syria.
	This is stunning when we hear the accusations of Russian collusion and working with the Moscow administration and you actually look at not only the swinging sanctions we brought against Russia but also the fact that President Trump greenlit the targeting of hundreds of Russian mercenaries in Syria.
	There's the fake news and then there's reality.
	Educate yourself, find out the threat that this former KGB colonel represents, read Rebecca's book, Putin's playbook, Russia's secret plan to defeat America.
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	It's so stupid.
	for the mainstream lying legacy media every single day.
	He's got a pretty mean Twitter feed as well.
	He is the co-founder of one of our favorite websites, The Federalist.
	Sean Davis, welcome back to America First.
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	Were you amused?
	When you see stuff like that, you don't even bother commenting?
	It's so stupid.
	I mean, what's amazing is these people are so divorced from reality, clearly he doesn't pump his own gas, that they don't think we can remember what gas was a year ago.
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	Right.
	We're not idiots, Don Lemon.
	We have to talk about what's going on at CNN, but you mentioned Ing Sock from Orwell.
	I presume you've seen this story that with the permission, this blows my mind, with the permission of the Orwell estate There's a new sequel, they're rewriting 1984 from the point of view of the female protagonist.
	So they're rewriting 1984 just like they were rewriting history in the Ministry of Truth inside the original story, Sean.
	Yeah, it's amazing.
	I don't know if it's a lack of self-awareness or a lack of shame, but to do the thing to the book that warned about the thing you're doing, That's special.
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	Follow this man, Sean M. Dav on Twitter.
	Let's talk about what's going on at CNN.
	Let's talk about LeMond and the rest.
	I thought he was going to survive, given the two-bit effect.
	If you can pleasure yourself on a video call with your colleagues and only be suspended and return back to CNN, I thought Fredo Cuomo was going to survive.
	Clearly he didn't.
	Is Don Lemon next?
	Is there any way?
	Are they going to have a shake-up, do you think?
	Finally, is CNN going to be shook up by these events?
	So I was with you.
	I was really surprised that he hung on, because clearly we learned from the Tubin affair that they have no standards.
	And so I thought, well, certainly they're not going to apply these standards to the scion of a political dynasty.
	And in hindsight, looking back, I think what Chris Cuomo was actually fired for was no longer having a brother who was a governor.
	Once Andrew Cuomo was gone, like, because he was used as the primary foil for Trump during the COVID stuff in 2020.
	They had to prop him up to make Trump look bad, even though it was all based on lies.
	Andrew Cuomo outlived his usefulness, which is why the party so thoroughly and quickly dispatched him.
	And once he's gone, what exactly is the point of Chris Cuomo?
	He's not a great broadcaster.
	He gets terrible ratings.
	He's not particularly bright.
	He's a hothead and now he has all these issues.
	Of course you're going to get rid of him because the Cuomo name has finally outlived its usefulness.
	So I think he got busted and thrown out because his brother wasn't governor anymore.
	Not for anything he did or didn't do.
	But Sean, objectively, he has bad ratings because he's got, what, six, seven hundred thousand out of an audience of, you know, 330 million Americans.
	But, and this is what I didn't realize, he was the highest rated in his time slot on CNN, which, I mean, what does that say about CNN?
	Yeah, I mean, the tallest person in Lilliput, I guess.
	I mean, what I think is really an indication of what's going on there is it looks like it was Zucker kind of protecting all these people, protecting Cuomo, clearly protecting Stelter and Lemon.
	And I almost wonder if Cuomo getting bounced just days after Zucker sends out Stelter to talk about how he'll be back in January.
	It's a sign of how shaky Jeff Zucker's future is at CNN.
	Yeah, I have one more question when it comes to the future of CNN and what happens next, but we'll save it.
	He's staying with us here on America First.
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	We are back with the co-founder of The Federalist, Sean Davis.
	Sean, let's just wrap up our discussion of CNN.
	Is CNN safe?
	Is there going to be a shake-up?
	Don Lemon already has this outstanding charge against him.
	A guy said that he felt him up inappropriately in some bar somewhere.
	So do you think they're just going to putter along or could there be even more ramifications from the loss of Cuomo?
	Well, I think that question really has to be answered by who actually owns CNN.
	Because from my perspective, CNN is not a news company.
	It's not a journalistic organization.
	It's not a media company or publisher.
	It is a super PAC that works to elect and defend Democrat priorities.
	Period.
	And it's why they don't seem to actually care about ratings.
	That's how you can have people like Stelter and Cuomo on and get Bottom basement ratings, because that's not important.
	What's important to CNN and the people who run it, like Zucker, is controlling the narrative and using the network's perceived cultural power to bully its enemies and protect its friends.
	So until you have the higher-ups, I think it's Comcast that actually owns, or maybe it's AT&T, CNN, until those people decide that they want a media organization and not a Dem Super PAC, nothing in that network is going to change, regardless of who happens to be sitting in which anchors chairs.
	Yeah, this is, you know, I'm schizophrenic on the issue myself.
	When you look at the fact that they have maybe 600,000 viewers of a night there, This radio show, which is relatively new, has 3 million listeners on radio alone without all the other video content.
	I feel as if we talk too much about CNN anyway because of their small viewership, but of course they do drive narratives.
	You know, there is something to be said for not giving them more oxygen.
	Let's talk about people we have to discuss.
	You have been skewering them day in, day out for years, and those are, of course, the fake conservatives, Sean, especially the Rhino class in D.C.
	I'm struggling for 48 hours now to get to why a former SEAL who has a very cool visage, a very cool image with his eye patch, said something so indefensibly
	libelous and just a propaganda statement that his rhino colleague, this is of course Dan Crenshaw, who called Adam Kinzinger, who voted to impeach his own president, more patriotic, more America first than ever, quote, everyone in the Freedom Caucus.
	I knew Dan Crenshaw was a rhino, but Sean, You know the swamp.
	What does this accrue to Crenshaw to totally come out of the closet and lie this badly as a rhino?
	Well, it's an interesting thing that happens in Washington and I think at a certain point for every politician who goes there, especially on the right, they have to decide who their audience is and whose approval they want.
	And it usually comes down to, do I actually want the approval?
	And the kudos of the people who voted for me and sent me to represent them?
	Or do I want the kudos of a corrupt media establishment that's going to talk about how I'm so brave and courageous for standing up to those evil Republicans?
	And it seems like Crenshaw, by throwing in his lot with Kinzinger and Liz Cheney, who he defended, has kind of made his decision that his interest here is in being Kind of like a pseudo, one-of-the-good-one type celebrities to the press.
	The kind of person they can call and get a reliable quote about how awful those nasty conservatives are.
	And look, I'm a big-tent guy.
	I get that there are people who are to the left of me that you have to have to win in districts where someone like me or you couldn't win.
	I get that.
	Crenshaw's from Texas.
	Liz Cheney is from Wyoming.
	Like, there's no reason for this, and it points to this just deep need for approval from people who don't actually like you or respect you.
	They just view you as a tool that they can use to hit their political opponents, namely people like us.
	But that means that what he has done, especially coming from Texas, Sean, is really, on the final analysis, political suicide, is it not?
	I mean, that's left to be seen.
	I found his attack on the Freedom Caucus really interesting.
	He called them a bunch of performance artists and grifters.
	Now, mind you, this is a guy who made his own ad to raise money that he's a superhero in, a guy who goes on SNL for attention.
	Look, I don't like performance artists, I don't like grifters either, but when you're doing this thing you're accusing everyone else of doing, maybe you let someone else make that attack.
	Who's winning the power struggle?
	This is a regular question we bring up here on America First, Sean.
	Who's winning the power struggle inside the conservative movement?
	Is it the RINOs, the establishment, or is it America First and MAGA?
	Oh, it's such a fluid thing.
	It's so hard on any one given day.
	I think if you look at the environment right now, I think the conservatives are winning because look at where the country is.
	You see what happened in Virginia?
	You saw what happened with the defeat of critical race theory?
	Now, Youngkin's an especially interesting case, the newly elected governor of Virginia, because this is the guy who initially started his campaign kind of on typical establishment-type concerns.
	Oh, the economy.
	Oh, jobs.
	We've got to get out of business this way.
	Yeah, and it's when he leaned into the culture war, which is the most important thing for conservatives.
	It's not just a particular issue.
	Our way of life is being destroyed by this insane, progressive, woke, left-wing culture, and we have to stop it.
	It wasn't until then, until he leaned into that, that Young Canacta got success and won.
	And there's no better teacher in politics than success, and I hope people emulate that.
	We had him on this show, he didn't want to come on, or his staff didn't want to have him come on.
	He came on this show, and I've said it on this show, he didn't win it.
	You know, it was the mama bears.
	He pivoted exactly as you said.
	He went from business to culture, and it was the mama bears that pushed him over the finishing line, and we'll see how he performs.
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	Sean, I don't know where to start when you have the mainstream media trying to actually convince us that Putin was too scared to look into sleepy Joe Biden's eyes.
	What is there left to say?
	It's just, it's embarrassing.
	I remember the five alarm meltdown that they had when Trump had his summit with Putin several years ago.
	Watching what happened, or at least the footage we could see, Putin may be afraid of a lot of things.
	I don't think he's afraid of Joe Biden at all, for even a second, because Joe Biden has weakened America at every turn and actually empowered Russia.
	At every turn.
	He gave Russia the Nord Stream Pipeline, which Russia is going to use to basically extort all of Europe into taking Russian gas and energy.
	And it's just amazing, it boggles my mind how anyone with a brain can look at this current administration and say, oh yeah, this is one that the bad guys around the world, they totally fear this guy.
	It's a joke.
	Yeah, and the fact that they try and peddle it to us means either they think everybody watching and listening is a kratin, or they really believe it themselves.
	I don't know which is scarier.
	Thank you, Sean Davis.
	Follow this man.
	He proves every single day, not only in his writings at The Federalist, but also on his Twitter feed, SeanMDav, that, guys, it's all political.
	You can't be apolitical.
	Why?
	Because the left made everything political.
	We have a republic to save.
	Read TheFederalist.com.
	Check out their Twitter feed as well at FDRLST.
	Sean, keep doing what you do.
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	Salem, Charlie Kirk's exclusive interview with the Hero of Kenosha, Carl Rittenhouse.
	The first part, he talks about why he was there, what his objectives were, his background, his life so far as a young man of helping other people, and of course,
	The turning points in the trial, how much it saved, how much it changed his life, and perhaps the darkest of all, the lies that were told about him, not just by the prosecutors, but also by the mainstream lying legacy media.
	Full kudos to Charlie Kirk, president of Turning Point USA, and my colleague here, At the Salem Radio Network, this is the beginning of his interview with none other than Kyle Rittenhouse.
	Kyle, from the first moment I saw, you know, you in the news and the video of you defending yourself, you know, I felt like we had something in common.
	We both grew up in the same neighborhood, you know, kind of a shared story.
	And you always just wanted to try to help people, right?
	That is correct.
	While growing up, my mom was a single mother working as a CNA at a nursing home helping old people and inspired me to start helping people wanting to go to nursing school, becoming a lifeguard, becoming a firefighter EMT cadet, and a police explorer.
	You grew up in Antioch?
	I did.
	I grew up in Antioch, Illinois.
	Well, I lived in Lake Villa for a couple years.
	I actually moved around a lot, but the last place I was living was Antioch, Illinois.
	Growing up, what did you want to be when you got older?
	Growing up, I wanted to be a police officer to be able to help people and help people when they're having bad days because cops see people on their worst days.
	Jack?
	So they made this whole big deal during the trial in Binger.
	I call him Lunchbox.
	He is his sidekick there because he brought him along like a boxed lunch.
	They said, oh, well, you're not even from Kenosha.
	You don't even live in Kenosha.
	You cross state lines, all this business.
	But it seemed to me, when I was hearing you speak about it, and then when you took a stand, you talked more about it, that it seemed like Kenosha did mean something to you.
	It did.
	You had a lot of connections.
	So what does Kenosha mean to you?
	Well, Kenosha, my best friend Dominic lives there.
	My dad lives there.
	My entire family pretty much lives there.
	I go grocery shopping in Kenosha, and of course, they have the best cheese curds in the world, as we all know.
	Can confirm.
	Yeah, I've been there a couple of times since all this.
	I was there, I guess, two weeks after that happened.
	So I was there like mid-September of last year and then I've gone back a few times just to see it.
	It's actually a really nice town.
	I really liked it.
	I enjoyed it.
	I went there with my brother.
	We had a great time.
	Oh yeah.
	It's down-to-earth people who is just...
	Just people that are just like wanting to be, it's a Midwest.
	We call it Midwest friendly.
	We wave to people driving down the road.
	Did you ever, I mean, obviously the answer is no, but talk to us what it was like though, going from the mindset of I want to help people on that night.
	That's your intent.
	And you've got this great.
	Yes, and you see the town starting to fall apart, and the next thing you know, your entire life gets put in jeopardy because you defend yourself, and you have to be called a murderer, a white supremacist, all of this.
	Talk about how you dealt with that.
	That's probably the most immediate reversal a human being could go through.
	How I dealt with that was I would block out social media.
	I wouldn't go on my phone.
	I would just not pay attention to any of that and just focus on what's in front of me.
	And so Dave, I want to bring you into the conversation.
	So Dave, you've kind of been, in some ways, like a mentor father figure to Kyle and kind of been the family spokesperson.
	And you kind of got thrown into this entire thing.
	Talk about who Kyle is as a person, because this is not just a ordinary 18-year-old.
	No, absolutely not.
	I first met Kyle on the 20th of November when I picked him up and we spent about three hours driving down to the safe house.
	I really got to know him at that moment.
	He's a good, a civic-hearted, He cares about people.
	He's empathetic.
	And he just really has a great head on his shoulders.
	I mean, he wants to do great things as he gets older.
	And I've just learned that he's not vitriolic.
	He's not this political kid.
	He basically loves everybody.
	So that's the Kyle that I got to know.
	I mean, and it's amazing sitting here, Kyle, because you put anybody else through that situation.
	You put me through that situation when I was 18.
	And everything else that happened afterwards.
	I would have a huge attitude and a chip on my shoulder and everything else, but you seem like you're pretty, you know, pretty well adjusted and actually dealing with it quite well.
	You're positive, you're outgoing, you're friendly.
	What do you think it is that people get, you know, wrong about sort of, it's like there's the image that they try to make of Kyle Rittenhouse and then there's the real Kyle Rittenhouse.
	So what do they get wrong the most?
	Well, what I would say is people want to push their own agendas and they don't want to look at the facts of what happened or they just don't want to get to know me as a person or just as a human.
	And so, but how do you stay magnanimous?
	I mean, you don't seem as if you're bitter.
	I mean, you spent 87 days in jail.
	Like, I would be pretty upset about that.
	Not to mention, Having to go in front of the state of Wisconsin and be like, oh yeah, by the way, if we are able to persuade 12 people, you're going to spend the rest of your life in a prison cell.
	To be honest, it does make me upset.
	I'm just like, it's out of my control and the only thing I can do is stay humble and look at the positive in life.
	And you now want, you want to now build a life.
	Some people aren't allowing you to do that, right?
	They're saying that, you know, they want the Department of Justice probe or whatever to continue, you know, forwarded this.
	You know, as you were going through this, let's talk just kind of about the specifics of it.
	You know, you you're able to get out of jail.
	87 days you were there, and then all of a sudden you have to start meeting with lawyers and your legal team and starting to mount a defense.
	And then the trial went underway.
	Talk about what that was like.
	Talk about the details and the specifics of you have to go every single day, and you're not allowed to say anything until you took the stand, which I want to ask you about.
	How much were you sleeping at those nights?
	How are you dealing with that?
	You're an innocent person.
	In some ways, the process was the punishment.
	We see you on screen, but what's it like?
	Behind the scenes or all that?
	Well, how it is behind the scenes, I have my amazing team, Mark, Corey, Natalie, John, LT, Dave, helping me through this and guiding me because believe it or not, I'm freaking out behind the scenes because you don't know what's going to happen.
	So to have them to be to support me, helping me through this and explaining helped me stay calm.
	And what I'm thinking when I'm just Blank face, potted plant, in court.
	I'm just saying in my head, is this guy serious?
	Referring to Lunchbox and Banger, also known as Littlefinger.
	Yes.
	And there's one thing that I noticed about him, he's very level-headed.
	Totally.
	Absolutely level-headed.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Would explain how you were able to effectively defend yourself under imminent threat of death.
	I mean, it was calm, cool and collected all the way through.
	So talk at what point in the trial were you all of a sudden like, OK, this is now going in a good like a direction that is somewhat favorable.
	Was there a turning point in the midst of the trial?
	There's two actually for when I knew the state didn't have a case is when they had their opening statements and when they put Dominic Black on the stand, which really helped me.
	That's why we're not going to be able to do it.
	That's when I knew that they didn't have a case.
	So the opening statements you already knew?
	Yeah, because he said I chased down Mr. Rosenbaum, which is not true.
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	You know, the guys that I would work with, like Richie McGinnis and Elijah Schaeffer, Drew Hernandez, Julio Rosas, they were all there and then BG on the scene as well.
	And I'm watching these videos come out and I'm looking at this situation going, hey, wait a minute, they're chasing this guy, but the media is saying it the other way.
	And that's not what happened.
	And I can see these videos and you guys are lying about this.
	And then so you would have to think that Okay, if I'm an adversarial prosecutor, I'm going to put, I'm going to bring witnesses forward that are going to, you know, help my theory of the case.
	And to your point, in his opening statement, that's what he says.
	He says they were chasing you, or excuse me, that you were chasing them.
	But then the very next thing he does is bring on a witness that supports your side of the case.
	Exactly.
	All their witnesses.
	Well, yes, actually.
	And that turned out to be a trend that we saw throughout the rest of the trial.
	Every single one of them, they were the ones who called Richie.
	You guys didn't even have to call Richie.
	During his opening when he said that, one of the things I was thinking, I was like, jeez, I didn't know that he watched the videos backwards.
	There was a meme of that where it was, It was a binger.
	And he goes, well, all you have to do is play the video in reverse and you can clearly see Kyle chasing them, which is basically, I mean, for the amount of hocus pocus, right?
	Hocus pocus is out of focus.
	Hocus pocus out of focus that they did on these videos.
	It almost got to the point where they had to play the videos backwards because you couldn't find anything else on these things.
	But, you know, one thing with that, with these videos and just, you know, being able to support Free Kyle USA and all the other stuff.
	Did you have a sense?
	You know, both during the trial and beforehand that yes, obviously there was an entire mainstream media and political really establishment that was hell bent on making you the scapegoat for everything that happened in Kenosha and really a lot of 2020.
	But did you also realize that there were millions of people that had your back, that were supporting you going through these videos, donating?
	And thank you so much to the people who do support me and have donated.
	It means a lot to me and my family helping us pay for these legal bills.
	It just means so much to me and we couldn't have done it without them.
	It's just amazing and with the whole people who didn't support me, I didn't know, I actually didn't know how much support I really had until I got bailed out.
	I didn't know how much of the world supported the right to self-defense.
	So you wake up And maybe the day before that, your defense counsel says, Kyle, you're going to take the stand.
	Talk about what went into that, because that's a big deal, Kyle.
	You waived your Fifth Amendment rights.
	Talk about that.
	Well, so I met Mark in mid-September, about three weeks after the incident.
	Your lawyer?
	My lawyer.
	And he is a straight up guy.
	He's amazing.
	The first thing he told me was, look, You gotta take the stand.
	And I said, I agree.
	I want to tell my story.
	And we, ever since I got billed out, we were preparing.
	So that was there from the start?
	That wasn't like a game time decision?
	No.
	It was something we prepared for over a year.
	Corey, my other attorney, would help prepare me and he would cross-examine me and help me tell my story.
	Not tell my story, but...
	Help not fall into the loopholes that Attorney Binger would have me fall, try to fall into.
	That's right, because they mentioned you guys did a couple of mock trials.
	Yep.
	So in those, it was actually Cory playing, I guess, Binger, basically.
	Bad guy.
	Yeah, well, the bad guy, right.
	Real quick, who was better, Binger or Cory, at the prosecuting?
	Cory is an amazing attorney and a way better prosecutor.
	Than that entire office of Kenosha.
	I mean, some of the questions he's asking you, like, do hollow point rounds explode, right?
	No.
	Did you play Call of Duty too much, Kyle?
	Like, look, I play Call of Duty.
	I didn't lie.
	I play COD.
	It's a video game.
	So, but Kyle, walk us through this.
	So you wake up, and you know this is the day you're going to take the stand.
	And more than just the stand, you know this is a nationally publicized televised trial, right?
	What's going through your mind?
	That's like the biggest moment of your life.
	Yeah, well, I was like, whew, I was sweating.
	And as you guys have seen, I was white as a ghost when I took the stand.
	I was like, I couldn't eat.
	And thank God I had the people around me who were able to talk to me and calm me down.
	First time I saw him silent.
	Beforehand?
	In about a year.
	Beforehand.
	Did you have...
	Did you have cold feet, like, maybe I don't want to do this?
	Because Kyle, to be honest, I'll tell you, you can go back to the Charlie Kirk Show archives.
	In our JV analysis, I thought it was a mistake.
	I was like, the trial's going so well.
	This is unusual.
	I remember you came on our show and I asked you and I said, I'm going to yield to the wisdom of the defense.
	People were worried.
	People were very worried because of those.
	You and I were texting, like, what is going on here?
	Because it, you know, it's one of those situations where it's a risk, you know, it's a gamble, right?
	It's such a gamble to see, can this guy, and fortunately for you, the guy was an idiot.
	That's a nice term.
	Yeah.
	No, I mean, really, that there's so much, like, I was at, you know, Guantanamo Bay for a year, you know, there's way more that he could have done that You know, he didn't even try to, because he's talking about video games and doesn't even know the basics of ammunition.
	But, you know, what did you think?
	Yeah, just sort of even in your mind, right?
	Because as you get up there, Judge Schrader is saying, hey, you still have it is still your decision, right?
	Do you?
	It seemed like he gave you all the space that you needed to be able to say, look, Right up until this moment, it's my choice that I do this.
	My reasoning behind taking the stand is I wanted the world to know who the real Kyle Rittenhouse was.
	And obviously, you know, it was compelling to millions and millions of people because the more you talked, the more people were like, this is a normal kid who You know, got caught into something that you didn't even want to get caught into, and obviously defended yourself.
	And so, you get up there, and then, you know, Binger starts to then go after your Fifth Amendment rights.
	Talk about that.
	So, I was on the stand, and Binger starts commenting on my post-arrest silent, and I was like, what the f**k?
	I was like, what did, like, This is basic middle school constitution test stuff.
	I know this stuff.
	You don't comment on a defendant's post-arrest silence.
	So literally every TV show, movie, you know, you have the right to remain.
	It's the first thing they say.
	It's the right against self-incrimination.
	So what's going through your mind at that point?
	I mean, I'm like, did he really just go there?
	And I was, I was astonished.
	I, like, I was in shock.
	I don't know about you, how you were when you heard that.
	I was like, what was that?
	I was pretty verbal in the gallery.
	I was like, oh, come on, like, because it was just appalling.
	And then the judge stepped up, who, by the way, the judge is being wrongly attacked as being on your side.
	He was on the side of the Constitution.
	Exactly.
	He is a Constitution.
	Not your side.
	Definitely not Binger's side, because Binger is a crazy person.
	Because, by the way, this judge is known for, um, If you, you know, if the jury comes back with a verdict of guilty, he's known for being a harsh, by-the-book, sentencer.
	So talk about this.
	So then the judge intervenes and issues one of the most harsh condemnations.
	What was going through your head at that point?
	It took a lot to hold back.
	I wanted to break out And laughter, because I was like, shouldn't have gone there.
	Perhaps one of the most amusing elements of the trial, yes, reinstilling our faith in the judicial system and that judge who wasn't having any of the shenanigans from the prosecution.
	Stay with us here on America First with me, Sebastian Gorka, and Charlie Kirk's exclusive interview with Carl Rittenhouse.
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	Welcome back to Charlie Kirk's exclusive interview with Kyle Rittenhouse here on America First on the Salem Radio Network.
	Do you think though Kyle that the prosecution was trying to throw the trial or the case?
	It's my belief and probably right now because we did we did win the case that he knew it wasn't going so good for them so he wanted a mistrial.
	That's why we filed a motion for a mistrial with prejudice.
	I mean, they completely had it wrong.
	The third set of facts they were on in the middle of trial, they just kept changing their fact patterns.
	Were there any points in the trial where you thought that Judge Schrader was going to make that ruling and would declare a mistrial?
	Were there any specific points where you think that it got to that sort of critical mass?
	A lot of people's beliefs are different from mine, even on my team.
	I didn't think he was ever going to leave this out of the hands of the jury.
	I don't think he wanted to be that guy that took it out of the hands of the jury.
	So I didn't think he would grant that until the jury made a ruling.
	It seemed to me in jury selection, and he gave that big speech about where juries come from, where the law comes from, it seems to me that he really did respect the jury tradition.
	I'm with you, basically.
	I had the same read on him that he really, you know, maybe he would have if he had to, but unless it really crossed the line, he wanted this to be a jury decision.
	And, you know, obviously, thank God it turned out to be the right one.
	And Binger did everything he could.
	So let's just show 34 on the screen.
	So Kyle, you're sitting there.
	It's closed in arguments.
	Right?
	You're like, what's the side?
	What's going on?
	You know, how's the jury trending?
	And the next thing you know, let's put cut 34 on the screen, guys.
	You have attorney binger pick up an AR-15.
	Oh my god, yeah.
	And just decide with the thing.
	You have better trigger posture than him, Kyle.
	Kyle, what is he pointing at?
	Is he threatening the jury?
	Pretty much.
	He was pointing his gun at the gallery and I looked at my attorney.
	That's your gun, right?
	That's my rifle.
	Yeah, that is yours, right.
	That we're having destroyed right now.
	We don't want anything to do with that.
	So I looked at Cory and I said, Cory, that's gun safety 101.
	Loaded or unloaded.
	Treat a gun like it's loaded.
	Yeah.
	And he points it at the jury.
	Exactly.
	I think at that point I said, all right, they're freaking out.
	I mean, they got nothing left.
	So there's this video that the FBI had in their archives, 14 months.
	It clearly shows you being chased down by this deranged individual.
	corners you, all of it, HD, you know, this isn't, you know, behind the cars because, and this was always key that, you know, people who are looking at this never got, is that all the camera footage from that night was surface level, right, because it's handheld.
	So, and of course, Richie thinks he has his camera going, but he doesn't.
	And he's beating himself up over that, but, you know, it happens in the heat of the moment, that this thing is above, looking down, sees the whole thing.
	You can actually see the anger and just, you know, insanity in Rosenbaum's face as he's chasing you.
	That I don't think you show that face to anybody.
	That they would think that this guy... And let alone threaten to kill them twice that night.
	Right, right.
	That he has anything other than, you know, very dangerous evil intentions.
	And they sat on this thing for 14 months, didn't give it to you guys.
	The prosecution had it.
	Why didn't the FBI release this the next day?
	That's the question.
	I'll let Dave explain the FOIA request.
	Milo's very upset with the FBI right now.
	Very upset.
	They had a high-definition version that they admitted they had, but destroyed.
	And they said that in the same sentence as admitting that they knew what they had that night.
	So, I mean, you gotta wonder what was going on there.
	So we filed FOIA requests for that footage and it was... For the HD footage.
	For the HD footage.
	For any of the footage.
	And they said no records.
	And then his attorneys filed the appeals and no records.
	And they still haven't met their duties as a federal agency under FOIA.
	Still, to this day.
	Now Kyle, you had your cell phone on you that night, right?
	I did.
	So my take on this is most likely the reason that they didn't want this getting out is they probably had these types of surveillance flights going on over all the riots of 2020.
	And they probably had an optics package and a signals package on there where they were able to track all the cell phones of everyone in that.
	So it's not necessarily that they were like looking at you, but they were probably tracking every single thing that we went on.
	So, help me understand this, though.
	The FBI had potentially a sculptory information that was given to the prosecution, and that footage has been deleted or missing.
	I'm not quite understanding that whole part of it.
	So they had the standard definition, which gets fed to the ground, and then they had the high definition, which gets taken on the aircraft itself.
	They admitted on the stand that the standard definition that went to the ground, that's what was turned over to the prosecution.
	Long after the incident itself.
	The high-definition version on the aircraft itself they claimed was destroyed.
	And that is the one that you can zoom into and you can see every single thing that happened on the ground.
	We're not finished yet.
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	Thanks to Charlie Kirk, my Salem colleague here on America First, wherever you are, whatever you're doing, stay on this channel.
	So when I got arrested, John Pierce and Lin Wood started raising funds without my family's permission.
	And then they went on to fight an extradition fight using a novel argument saying I was in a malicious, John Pierce can't get paid, Wood can get paid and grow his business and profit, apparently.
	And while doing that, I said, I don't want to fight extradition.
	I did nothing wrong.
	I want to go litigate this in Wisconsin because I didn't do a single thing wrong.
	They didn't respect my beliefs and they kept on Doing that.
	And then, finally, we lose that extradition battle.
	I get shipped off to Wisconsin.
	John Pierce had no idea until I called him that I was in Wisconsin.
	That's your lawyer.
	That is my lawyer.
	That's the one who just sat in court and argued some sort of bizarre 1780s argument.
	That he's in an unorganized militia.
	And he lost.
	And you're not in an organized militia, right?
	Look, I don't even know what a militia was.
	Good answer.
	Yeah.
	Lin Wood is going on with all this, like, QAnon stuff.
	QLin.
	And he's just off his rails.
	Completely insane.
	He needs to get on meds or something.
	And he's trying to claw back money raised for him.
	So if I can put some more color on this when you're ready, go ahead.
	Explain this to the audience.
	I honestly don't even know what the status of the money is.
	And we'll get to that.
	But I want you to walk through all this.
	Because you're a young boy.
	You're literally a boy, by the law, in jail, and your lawyers don't even know what state you're in!
	No, it's ridiculous.
	So, I'm in Wisconsin, and I have to stay there an extra 20 days because Linwood and John Pierce have to scramble to raise money.
	When they had it, they could have raised, they had enough prior, but they wasted it on extradition instead of looking out for my best interest.
	And then, November 20th, I finally get bailed out, and Lin Wood and John Pierce like to think they're the heroes in this case.
	They're just a bunch of fraud men.
	So, uh, when this happened on the 25th, I was actually with Lynwood.
	I don't like to admit that.
	So they started to bring money into the Fight Back Foundation, semi-informally.
	There was about two or three other fundraising entities.
	One was the Give, Send, Go fundraiser, which raised $585,000.
	$585,000.
	Where'd that money go?
	Wendy approved that money to be sent to Fightback, thinking that they would be good stewards.
	By September 8th, Fightback knew that there was a $2 million bail.
	The second he got extradited, that bail would have been set.
	They knew.
	Lynn said, the focus needs to be on fighting extradition.
	By this time, they had raised $1.2 million, right?
	They could have raised that next eight.
	They were a hindrance.
	Once they got involved, they kept him in jail.
	And I'd say for safety, but because John was charging $1,275 an hour.
	So he was looking for financial capital.
	I don't want to blow past that.
	They said, we want to keep him in jail for his safety?
	What do they mean by that?
	They seem to believe this was their argument on the outside.
	Now it's their argument.
	We wanted him to stay safe, right?
	Because Lynn was getting tons of political capital, right?
	Because now you start talking about the election coming up, and he was just All he cared about, and I saw him, and all he cared about was his Twitter followers skyrocketing, right?
	And John was billing at $12.75 an hour, so it was in his best financial interest.
	So they kept him in jail.
	The guy that's in $70 million debt.
	So your lawyers were profiting off of your suffering.
	That is correct.
	And they like to say that it was for his safety.
	They could have, and they knew on the 8th.
	They could have raised that to, they spent 800 to a million dollars, 800 grand to a million dollars fighting extradition and lost in 30 seconds.
	And what I find extremely disturbing is how Lin Wood is out here saying I'm being handled like I'm a dog.
	He doesn't realize how insulting that is to me.
	I'm a grown, well I'm 18.
	You've been through plenty, you're a grown man.
	Yeah, I make my own decisions.
	It really ticks me off.
	I have this insane lunatic saying I'm being handled, and then I'm like... Deep state.
	Yeah, deep state.
	I'm like, what the hell is wrong with this person?
	CIA, deep state, all this Wazi crap.
	Because I know Lin, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lin also represent Nick Sandman?
	Until he was fired by Nick.
	Briefly.
	So he was fired as well.
	Kyle...
	You are in the most vulnerable position a human being can be in.
	I mean, not most, but it's there, right?
	It's top five.
	And then to have these attorneys come in and try to take advantage.
	Yeah, so then you have these vultures come in while you're in jail without running water.
	Is that correct?
	The sheriff says that's not true, but I believe you.
	Look, I didn't have running water.
	I didn't tell anybody about it because I'm not a complainer.
	Maybe I should have said something.
	But I didn't have running water.
	You're never going to be in that situation again.
	You should have said something.
	That's a different topic.
	That's the headline for this, by the way.
	They had to re-raise that money.
	And so then they had to re-raise the money while you're suffering in jail.
	Just to jump ahead, what's really disturbing is that this idiot cannot Provide an accounting when me or my mom asked for him.
	And when he does, it's on like a Google spreadsheet.
	He denied for over a year to have a independent third party audit conducted of Fightback Foundation, which was requested by Wendy.
	On multiple occasions, he didn't even provide an accounting, like, what was brought in and what was spent until last month, and it's completely inaccurate.
	And he would not link to FreeCowUSA.org, which is Wendy's fundraiser to raise money for him.
	Now, you gotta remember, Wendy started that fundraiser, she had zero dollars.
	We had to re-raise dollars.
	I want also the audience to know the financial status of the Rittenhouse family.
	You dropped out of school to support your mom, is that correct?
	I did.
	I was working three jobs.
	I was working at the YMCA RecPlex and I was doing some landscaping gigs off the side.
	Wow, what a great kid.
	Well, he's a man now.
	That's Kyle Rittenhouse.
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	It is all too easy today with the current news cycle to lose faith in the nation and the system within which we live.
	But the Carl Rittenhouse case can renew us.
	Why?
	Because of the brave behavior of that jury of 12 men and women who did justice in that case.
	Here is our last segment from Charlie Kirk's exclusive interview with Carl Rittenhouse where they talk about the brave men that refused to be intimidated and saw that justice was done.
	The fear that we had, Kyle, is that there was this fear of jury intimidation, which we have some tape to play on.
	I think it's MSNBC.
	That's right.
	Not a fan.
	Neither am I. Good.
	We have that in common.
	And we have the cut here, we got cut 29 queued up, of the judge announcing that MSNBC is banned from the courtroom.
	Now, for following jurors, and that's where Jack and I were interfacing, like, wait a second, this is now heading into really dangerous territory.
	That a young man's life might be put in jeopardy if one of these juries feels even slightly intimidated.
	Let's play Cut 29.
	A person who identified himself as James G. Morrison and who claimed that he was a producer with NBC News.
	The police, when they stopped him because he was following in a distance of about a block and went through a red light, pulled him over and inquired of him what was going on and he gave that information and stated that he had been instructed by Ms.
	Bayan in New York to follow the jury bus.
	He's not here today from what I'm told and I have instructed that no one from MSNBC News will be permitted in this building for the duration of this trial.
	And so there was this fear that, is the jury going to be intimidated? - That, when I heard about that, I was like, I've like put my head down.
	We went into the Judge Chambers, I'm like, I said, why can't people just do honest journalism these days? - Yes. - It's just so unprofessional for the person who did that to do that.
	It's like, who in their right mind would do that?
	What was your impression of, I guess, the media before all of this started and then now?
	Well, I don't watch the news.
	I never have.
	That's why you're so happy.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	I don't pay... Yeah, it sounds bad.
	I don't pay attention to what's going on in the world before this and right now.
	I focus on myself and I focus on work.
	Just to follow up on that real quick.
	So, but you had a sense of, you know, there's this media out there, they report things.
	You know, did you have, you know, just kind of glance at a headline and then... Our best friend, Twitter.
	Well, there you have it.
	Congratulations to Charlie Kirk and God bless Carl Rittenhouse.
	So how do you feel about him now?
	I think a lot of people are trying to save their assets right now, but it seems like you see a lot of different headlines come out.
	Well, there you have it.
	Congratulations to Charlie Kirk and God bless Carl Rittenhouse.
	All that is left for me to say, and I think it fits perfectly with the subject of the interview, is keep your head on a swivel, watch your six, hold the line, never give up, never give in, and stay frosty.
	Thank you.
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	We must honestly acknowledge the circumstances we inherited.
	94 million Americans are out of the labor force.
	Over 43 million people are now living in poverty.
	And over 43 million Americans are on food stamps.
	More than one in five people in their prime working years are not working.
	We have the worst financial recovery in 65 years.
	In the last eight years, the past administration has put on more new debt than nearly all of the other presidents combined.
	We've lost more than one-fourth of our manufacturing jobs since NAFTA was approved.
	And we've lost 60,000 factories since China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001.
	Our trade deficit in goods with the world last year was nearly $800 billion.
	And overseas, we have inherited a series of tragic foreign policy disasters.
	That was a reminder, dear friends, of the four years of the Trump administration.
	The first address to Congress by the 45th President of the United States feels like a long, long time ago.
	What did those four years mean for America?
	How are we going to survive the next three?
	And what is the future of the Trump-MAGA movement?
	We'll discuss all of these questions and so much more with our very special one-on-one guest, Thanks for having me, Dr. Gorka.
	This is a subject near and dear to my heart.
	I'm writing my new book, Fall and Rise of America, and I'm writing about a lot of this stuff as we speak.
	A perfect, perfect segue before we get to the fall and rise of America, the MAGA movement, America First.
	For those who, for some strange reason, aren't familiar with the good colonel, his background, where he hails from, what he did before he became a media personality, will you share in a nutshell your bio for us, please?
	What your parents did, what you did in uniform for the Republic, and what you do today?
	Well, let's go back 250 years until my German family was kicked out of Stuttgart by popular demand, came over here to settle in Pennsylvania.
	Some more Germans followed.
	There's also an Alsatian in there, plus some Scots.
	My parents are both very quintessential Pennsylvanians, and it's very interesting.
	Both of my grandparents were high school and college coaches in Pennsylvania.
	Both of them joined the United States Navy during World War II, overage.
	Both of them were sent to the Pacific where they both ran fighter pilot recreation camps in the Pacific.
	So that's kind of weird, but it kind of shows... Hang on, let's just stop there for a second.
	I couldn't... Knowing the ilk of the fighter pilot corps in World War II, running a recreational facility for them, that must have been quite interesting.
	There must have been some interesting family stories.
	Well, it was.
	My mother's father, Paul Wagner, was quite the poker player, and he played poker with such folks as Joe Fox.
	who won a Medal of Honor for, gosh, there I'm back.
	He won a Medal of Honor as a fighter pilot.
	Larry came back, became a governor and I think head of the NRA.
	Interestingly, he had a diary.
	He said, hey, I was playing poker with Joe Foss.
	I went and deployed to Kosovo with his nephew, Bill Foss.
	Wow.
	All right.
	So explain, you know, how you ended up not in the Navy, but in the Army, what your career was and how you are doing what you're doing today.
	Look, I was just a suburban kid in San Mateo, California, which is right between San Francisco and Silicon Valley.
	Back when I was there, it was really kind of leave it to beaver land as opposed to leave it to communist land as it is kind of now.
	So, I mean, I'm like a quintessential Californian suburban guy, and that's kind of my mindset.
	My mom, my dad was a chemical engineer, has lots of patents for coffee, for Holdre's coffee.
	He was a naval officer, too.
	My mom became a lawyer on our kitchen table in 1976.
	She studied past the bar, became a district attorney in San Mateo County, which not a lot of women did then.
	And as you know, Dr. Gorka, we all, you know, hate women.
	Because reasons.
	Mom later became a judge and she is currently in a rehab facility because she had a little medical thing.
	We're getting her out of there.
	I have to go see her today.
	I joined the army to get away from her because I figured drill sergeants would be a break.
	But she must have infected you with the interest in the law, no?
	Oh, I don't have any interest in the law.
	I was in Desert Storm as a platoon leader.
	I essentially ran a heavily armed carwalk, a decontamination platoon, with 7th Corps.
	It turned out I was at 7th Corps headquarters during the war, which I later realized was literally the time and place of the pinnacle of American power, because I was there when we defeated the Republican Guard.
	Now, I didn't defeat anybody.
	I was so far in the rear, if you wanted to get bullets to me, that's excellent.
	But I got to watch history unfold in front of myself.
	I went to UC San Diego.
	I wrote on a conservative paper there.
	I wrote on a comedy paper there, too.
	And I didn't know what I wanted to do.
	I had worked in Congress as an intern.
	I thought maybe I'll go to law school.
	Maybe I'll kill some time.
	But I was like, nah, I'm going to join the military.
	So my dad wanted me to join the Navy.
	So, of course, I enlisted in the Army.
	And I went to basic training.
	So there's pictures of PFC Schlichter out there.
	I went to officer candidate school after being in the army for eight weeks.
	And for a suburban guy from California in the military, which is a largely rural, largely southern-influenced organization, I mean, it was a total culture shock.
	And it was tough.
	The hardest six months of my life was basic training and officer candidates.
	I'd never had anything tougher.
	I didn't know whether I was going to succeed.
	I had to dig very, you know, look, living in the suburbs of California was not hard, okay?
	I mean, I ran, I was, you know, it wasn't like I wasn't physically fit, or it wasn't, you know, a little bit tough, but it was hard because, you know, I was in a place where I had no value, you know?
	Everybody was a special snowflake, You know, I just dated a pretty girl in college, and I was running on the newspapers, doing all sorts of things.
	And now I'm Private Schlichter, and I'm literally nobody because I hadn't earned anything.
	It didn't matter who I was.
	And I'm with all these guys who grew up in very different lifestyles than me, and we're having to work together to survive.
	And I did survive.
	I got commissioned.
	I wasn't recycled.
	Uh, was assigned to chemical warfare for reasons I don't know.
	It's very math intensive.
	I got my worst grade in math.
	It's probably for the same reasons that when I joined the British Army Reserve, the Territorial Army, and they said, do you speak languages?
	I was in a military intelligence unit.
	I said, yeah, I speak French, German, and Hungarian, a little bit of Polish.
	They said, OK, good.
	You're going to be an interrogator in Russian.
	At the same time, the perfect, the logic of the army across the world is the same, Kurt.
	That's literally the most army thing I've ever heard.
	I mean, it is.
	The thing about the army is it's very interesting because you're in a society that's very individualist.
	And very concerned with entrepreneurialism.
	And then you go to the military, and it is completely different.
	It is, in some ways, a socialist organization.
	I don't mean that in the bad way.
	I mean that the means of production are owned by the government.
	Everything.
	They tell you what to do, what to wear, where to go.
	You are not operating yourself.
	You're operating for other people.
	And the individual doesn't count in the same way.
	No, it's a collective entity.
	Idiot.
	We're going to talk about your military career, but I have to get in here.
	So when did stand-up comedy and law come along into your life?
	Or are those things the same?
	They are remarkably similar.
	I applied to law school for my platoon fighting position in northern Saudi Arabia, and got accepted at Loyola Law School.
	So I got out of the Army right after leaving the Gulf, and I show up at Loyola Law School in August of 1991.
	I'm there, right, I'd been a platoon, I'd been in a war, I'd seen a guy die in front of me.
	You know, so I was in a very different mental place than a lot of the guys just at college who show up literally wearing their fraternity sweatshirts.
	And it was a culture clash.
	I got my first thing published in a San Francisco Examiner, writing about what it was like coming back.
	You know, I stayed at my parents' for a while before I went to law school, and I was completely alone.
	I had no one who understood what I had just gone through.
	Okay, hang on, hang on.
	We're going to talk about, so just a very quick question, yes or no.
	At this moment in time, so we can track the trajectory, what are your politics, Kurt?
	Oh, I'm always conservative.
	You're always conservative.
	I wanted to get that on the record before we proceed.
	We're talking to Kurt Schlichter, senior contributor with our buddies at townhall.com, the author of a slew of fabulous books.
	We'll be discussing them, the fictional series as well as his non-fictional works as well.
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	Okay, so you're back from the Gulf War.
	You've just started law school.
	A little bit more mature than the people around you.
	Give us how things proceed from that point, Kurt.
	Well, it was interesting.
	I was in kind of a strange place.
	I would party harder than anybody else in law school because, you know, It's an army guy.
	You could because you knew how to and you could do it.
	You could survive it.
	I could and I, you know, I mean, I'm back from the Gulf.
	I'm not with any other military people.
	I think there were a total of four out of 400, four veterans out of 400 in my class.
	One guy had like 20 years ago been in the Air Force.
	There was another guy who'd been a SEAL.
	And it was it was strange.
	And I didn't, I didn't really stop until about six months later when I joined the California National Guard.
	And I don't know why I did.
	I just I guess I just wanted to be back with, you know, at least once a once a month, a few days a month, be with guys who kind of knew what I did.
	And I found myself in the Los Angeles riots.
	Which you said was scarier than being deployed to the Balkans, right?
	Oh, gosh, much, much, much more so than.
	The LA riots, I was living in Pasadena, I look at this thing and I, you know, we weren't expecting to get deployed.
	When I had actually joined up, I'm standing in the operations room at the Inglewood Armory in Burbank and I said, so what happens if we get mobilized and the full-time guys just Twenty-some years later, as commander in that armory, I would deploy a company standing in that same place.
	I gave the order to set up a go.
	But at that time, I call into the unit, I say, look, I'm watching people get the hell beaten out of them on TV.
	Are we getting deployed?
	Nah, they're not going to call us up.
	I go, oh, okay.
	And having enough experience in the army, I immediately packed my stuff.
	Just in case.
	I got the order.
	Come on in.
	I had sold all my guns in Germany.
	I had no firearm.
	And I had to drive into South Central Los Angeles during the riots with no gun.
	And I get off the I-10, the 10 freeway, to head into Inglewood.
	I think I was at La Brea.
	And I come up to an LAPD police line.
	They're blocking it off.
	And they look at me and they got their, you know, shotguns and everything.
	And a cop comes up to me and goes, what the hell are you doing?
	I'm sitting there in my uniform.
	I'm a first lieutenant.
	I go, I gotta go in there.
	I'm National Guard.
	My unit's in there.
	He goes, do you got a gun?
	I said, no.
	He goes, you sure you really want to go in there?
	I'm like, no, not at all.
	But I don't really have a choice.
	And I got to the unit and everyone brought their own guns.
	The Army at that time, California is now the number one civil support guard in the country.
	There's nobody better.
	I'm so proud of our guys.
	Uh, at that time, it was a disaster.
	We were not ready.
	All the ammunition was centralized in Central California because, and you'll recognize this is one of the most army things ever, it's easier to count if it's all in one place!
	So everybody brought their own firearms and I remember sitting in there and a guy who was a postman and civilian life comes in with a duffel bag and dumps a duffel bag of guns on the desk, on the table and goes, take what you need!
	So it was the small gas board, it was the help yourself buffet of firearms to deal with the L.A.
	riots.
	Yes it was.
	My guys were mostly from South Central.
	Which is the area that was literally on fire.
	And my guys were having none of it.
	These are great guys.
	They look terrible.
	I'm like, I'm there.
	I'm 160 pounds.
	My uniform is perfect.
	I got my little patch on my right shoulder.
	And these guys look like somebody threw their uniforms at them.
	I'm like, who are these guys?
	They roll in.
	Now, it would take us, if we're going to the field, we're spending three days getting ready for the field.
	These guys knew their jobs because they knew each other, they were friends, they knew the equipment, they knew their gear.
	Two hours, these guys are ready to be on the street.
	Incredible soldier.
	Wow.
	Just great.
	I learned.
	Suburban guy, middle of an urban riot.
	Let me tell you, I was learning, drinking from a firehose.
	Listen to the guys from The Neighbourhood.
	We talked to Kurt Schlichter, CD contributor at Townhall.com.
	Follow him, Kurt Schlichter, on Twitter.
	We're going to talk about the things he's produced outside of Townhall momentarily.
	But you still haven't got to the stand-up comedy and your law practice.
	I became a lawyer, I thought I was going to be a criminal lawyer like my mom, and I realized I didn't want to deal with criminals.
	So I went into civil law, that is suing people, defending companies, and I worked for a big law firm, and I started getting business.
	I got Circuit City as an account, which was, you know, a big company, and I'm like a two-year lawyer.
	And I'm doing trials very early, and I'm still getting the same $500 bonus as the guy they caught sleeping under the desk.
	So they offered me the bonus.
	I made them a counteroffer, which was, how about I keep everything?
	And in 1998, I went out on my own with a friend.
	Within four months, I had won my first multi-million dollar verdict.
	A defamation verdict, by the way.
	Uh, you know, I've been, uh, I've been a partner at my own firm ever since, uh, basically able to do what I wanted to do.
	But I was, you know, I had broken up with a girlfriend.
	Uh, I was just kind of, like, bored.
	I decided I would try stand-up comedy, because I'd always been, you know, amusing.
	I was still selling freelance stuff.
	I wrote jokes.
	There's a lot of people who are amusing, but very few of them decide, I'm going to do this in public in front of strangers, Kurt.
	Well, I have no shame gene.
	I literally don't care.
	There are people out there, and I don't understand it.
	I mean, I get that they are afraid of speaking to a crowd, but it doesn't click to me.
	I don't like heights, you know?
	I mean, I jumped out of airplanes, but only to get the badge to impress girls, and only did it five times.
	I don't like heights, but I understand why you're afraid of heights.
	I don't understand why people are afraid of speaking in public.
	I love it.
	And so stand-up comedy never worried me.
	The trouble with stand-up is I'm a very competitive guy, and half the time you are below average.
	you know, about.
	So I would get very annoyed when I did poorly.
	And when I did really well, I'd like it.
	But I'm always like, how can I do better?
	How can I be funny?
	And I found I was a very good writer for other people.
	I was an okay performer.
	I still speak and I can still do an hour, you know, for a group.
	If you want to hire me, I'm very expensive.
	I bet you are.
	Well, I'll talk to a conservative group.
	I'll spend an hour up there, you know, often get a standing ovation because I try and deliver.
	Same way I do in front of a jury.
	And And, but, you know... So you ended up writing material for others?
	Yes.
	I write for a lot of other comics.
	And then I, you know, I met my wife, I got married, we had a kid, and then I had to deploy, and that was the end of my going to stand-up.
	Yeah.
	You know, I'm not going to spend time out in, you know, smoky clubs with a kid and a wife who hadn't seen me in 16 months.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, I'm kind of for a couple of years, I'm just kind of, you know, working in law.
	I'm still writing occasionally.
	And then Andrew Breitbart comes in.
	All right, let's stop there for a second.
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	So, Kirschrichter, explain the next genesis of your career and the relevance of the great, late, much-missed Andrew Breitbart.
	Well, this thing called Facebook came out, and somebody from law school, who was kind of liberal, said, you need to meet my conservative friend, Andrew Breitbart.
	And I'd heard of him, because I was looking at a lot of conservative media, but I wasn't doing anything.
	And I got in touch with him, and we really bonded over 80s music and Mexican food.
	You know, very Southern California pursuits.
	In that way, we were very, very similar.
	I knew he was doing something called Big Hollywood, which was the precursor to Breitbart.
	Yeah, this is what they used to call the verticals.
	So they had the various verticals like Big Politics, Big Hollywood.
	These were the segments of the prototype Breitbart.com website.
	That's right.
	And I saw that the studios were going to open the new Star Trek movie overseas in Kuwait for our troops.
	And I thought, you know, you always got to give prey.
	You can't just criticize.
	They're critical of Hollywood, but you got to reward them.
	So I say, hey, Andrew, hey, I saw this story.
	This thing's happening.
	Why don't you get somebody to write about it?
	He goes, why don't you?
	Okay.
	And I did, and I found I couldn't write a straight story.
	I had to be snarky, I had to be amusing, and I kind of delight in taking, you know, playing word games, unbelievably long convoluted sentences, bizarre analogies, and imagery.
	It's just fun for me.
	And I did it, and it got published, and Andrew goes, What next?
	What are you going to write next?
	The interesting thing is, I was in so early.
	I mean, just, I mean, right after our mutual friend Larry O'Connor, who I later did, I did his show with another guy named Ben Shapiro, and we would get on his, Larry's internet show for the Hour of Hate and just rage.
	But I got, I I was the one guy who never got the legal packet.
	The lawyer's the guy who didn't get the legal packet.
	I'm the only guy who never wrote an NDA for working with bread.
	Fascinating, because I know all of these people.
	I know Larry, I never got to meet Andrew, but his colleague, also Larry Solove, who created Bright Bud, and of course Alex Marlow, his first employee.
	I want to work out how we go from that, from writing those initial pieces, to what you're doing today.
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	Kurt, you've got behind your radar.
	Let's go to the single shot, Eric.
	You've got a raid behind you.
	Very nicely done.
	I think, yes, all of his books.
	You've got Crisis, Wildfire, Indian Country.
	You've got People's Republic Collapse and the most recent, The Split.
	This is your Kelly Turnbull series of adventure novels.
	I want to ask you, Why did you start writing those very successful books, number one?
	What was the, you know, the thing that made you do that?
	And secondly, I think a lot of our listeners, we've got millions of listeners across the country, plus all the viewers, why did you decide to self-publish?
	Because this is a trend that is getting bigger and bigger.
	Well, a couple reasons.
	First of all, we go back to Andrew Breitbart.
	Andrew Breitbart famously said politics is downstream from culture.
	And we get so much garbage that's woke.
	I mean, just the other day I was told, I had stopped watching it, Uh, but Yellowstone is a big favorite from conservatives.
	Well, now it's got a favorable Antifa character, and Kevin Costner's talking about climate change.
	I'm tired of it.
	I don't want that.
	It happens.
	It's always the third or fourth season.
	Yeah.
	It's like 24.
	24 was, we're gonna do the jihadis, we're gonna take them out, and it gets woke, and the white supremacists are the enemy by season six.
	Yeah.
	Every decent TV series, third, fourth season, it goes down the crapper.
	Exactly.
	And look, I've always liked airplane books.
	A book you can open on the airplane and really enjoy.
	And I just decided, you know, gosh.
	I want to write something that I'd like to read, and I want to be able to comment on what's going on in our society.
	What could happen next?
	What are the possibilities?
	Because the trends are looking kind of ugly.
	So this was 2016.
	Trump was running.
	He had been nominated, but he hadn't been – he had not been – not won yet.
	But I put out People's Republic.
	Oh, that's the wrong way.
	People's Republic.
	It's over here somewhere.
	There it is.
	People's Republic.
	The first one, and it's about America split in two, and either red and blue states, and, you know, you have an operative from the red, he goes into the blue, and I got to talk about what, uh, America would look like without any kind of conservative, leavening influence.
	And, uh, It's very funny in a lot of ways.
	It's also very action-packed.
	Lots of talk about guns.
	I like action.
	I like world building.
	I'm very interested in what things would look like and then what the consequences are, you know?
	What happens when they pass a law requiring you to use somebody's pronoun?
	Right?
	But what does that look like in real life?
	If you're a real person, how do you navigate, say, going to the grocery store and not violating these bizarre college campus laws?
	Well, it's of course the thing that made Jordan Peterson so famous, his refusal to actually use those pronouns as a mandated action.
	He had no issue respecting people if they requested it, but if the government mandated it, then he said, no, not happening.
	Thank you.
	But, Kurt, let's talk about politics.
	This is a piece of audio that aired on our show yesterday, and it has to do with perhaps the greatest challenge to our nation, and that's not the left, it's the rhinos.
	This is Dan Crenshaw speaking at a fundraiser, really revealing who he is.
	Play cuts.
	There's other frontrunners.
	But why support these two?
	Well, because I've been in Congress for almost three years now.
	There's two types of members of Congress.
	There's performance artists, and there's legislators.
	Now, the performance artists are the ones that get all the attention.
	They're the ones you think are more conservative, because they know how to say slogans real well.
	They know how to recite the lines that they know that our voters want to hear.
	Let me tell you guys something.
	In the first two years of Trump's presidency, when Republicans were in control, when every single time we were voting on Donald Trump's agenda, who do you think was at the top of that list voting with Trump?
	And who do you think was at the bottom?
	A lot of names you would recognize were at the bottom of that list.
	A lot of names you would recognize are at the top of that list.
	Number two is probably going to make you cringe a little bit.
	It's Adam Kinzinger.
	Voted with Trump almost 99%.
	He was number two.
	But it is at the bottom?
	Everybody in the Freedom Caucus.
	All of them.
	What you hear so often is not true.
	It's not true.
	We have grifters in our midst.
	Yeah, and the grifter in our midst we're listening to is of course Dan Crenshaw himself.
	What he just stated in that fundraiser is a lie.
	Crenshaw is lying about Kinzinger.
	Kinzinger did not vote 99% of the time with Donald Trump and the Freedom Caucus didn't vote against him.
	It's utter garbage.
	Let's talk about the broader point here.
	So having listened to the audio from Crenshaw, Talk to us about, you skewer these guys day in, day out, whether it's the Bulwark, which I didn't even know still existed, or the Lincoln Project.
	How serious, comparatively, is the Never Trump Rhino movement?
	Or do you think that we're finally winning, Kurt?
	Well, I do think we are winning.
	I think the Republican caucus is moving to the right.
	A lot of people are like, I can't deal with the Republicans.
	Guys, we have a system that is structurally designed for two parties.
	There's got to be a party of the right, got to be a party of the left.
	The party of the right is right now the Republican Party, and that's where you need to make your fight.
	That's how I assess it as, you know, a big deal war college graduate.
	Which he is, by the way.
	He likes to throw that in, because we're war colleagues.
	We're already war colleagues.
	Carry on.
	Well, look.
	But when you have a coalition of 50% of America, you're going to have people on the left.
	Look, I would rather have a Susan Collins who agrees with me about 65% of the time than any Democrat.
	And I understand that there's just going to be people farther to my left.
	I want to pressure them to vote my way.
	But I'm never going to be mad at Susan Collins.
	But that's another issue.
	Let's talk about those who say they're conservatives.
	Say they're Republicans and then vote for the impeachment of a Republican president.
	I am so done with these people.
	You've got to know what time it is.
	You've got to get conservative woke.
	You have to understand what the fight is.
	And the fight is not, well, we're all good friends and we're going to shake hands at five o'clock and be pals.
	These are people who literally want you to take your job, maybe take your freedom.
	If you're on Twitter long enough, there'll be people telling you they want you to take your life.
	And I don't know.
	When somebody tells me he wants to see me dead, either because I don't feel the same way about vaccines he does, or because I like Donald Trump, or because I like America or Israel, I'm going to take them at their word.
	And history supports me in that.
	There is no Marxist government, and There are people here who want a Marxist government.
	That has not been built on a foundation of corpses.
	And I don't intend to be one of those corpses.
	If I'm going down, it's on a mountain of crap.
	I love that phrase and I concur wholeheartedly.
	They can come and take it from my cold dead fingers.
	But the good thing is if there were a civil war, God forbid if there were, there's only one side that actually knows how to use the guns and isn't afraid of them and that's the side that Kurt Schlichter and myself are on.
	Follow this guy Kurt Schlichter on Twitter, read his books, read his articles at townhall.com.
	Okay Kurt, let's talk about what you've done in multiple facilities for the army or for the California National Guard.
	You've worn the cloth of the Republic.
	You used the phrase earlier in our discussion that you served when America, when we were at the pinnacle of American power.
	Today, you look at the military, you've got buddies in the military.
	I'm in constant contact with the guys at BRAC who I still teach.
	Things are very, very bad.
	And this isn't just, you know, cute wokeness.
	You look at the phone call yesterday between Putin and Biden.
	You look at the difference between the recruiting videos for the Russian army and for the lesbian corporal mother, tattoo mother cartoon videos.
	How concerned are you that this trend is irreversible and what is it going to take to stop it?
	Well, it's not irreversible.
	You know, unless Joe Biden surrenders America to our enemies, which is, you know, essentially one of the scenarios I talk about in The Fall of America.
	You know, what happens if the hypersonics are coming in?
	Does a senile old weirdo just say, oh, we've got to give up?
	I don't know, but I want to explore that, and I do.
	The nice thing about the military, look, people were surprised that the military fell to woke But I was.
	I saw it coming.
	And I also understand the military is a hierarchic organization.
	Soldiers do what the commander checks.
	Commanders check combat readiness.
	You have a combat-ready organization.
	If they check wokeness, you're going to have a woke organization.
	Clearly in the Navy, as we saw with Barnum-Richard, which burned in large part because the crew was not trained on firefighting stuff, which I'm no sailor, but I think it's pretty important to know how to fight fires on a military aircraft.
	Hang on, Kurt.
	When you've got a CNO who's sending out 17-minute videos in his combats over the racism in the US Navy.
	Priorities, right, Kurt?
	Look, I will bet you dollars to donuts.
	Enough donuts to satisfy Brian Stelter.
	That every single one of those sailors who was not qualified on damage control and firefighting operations on that ship, which cost a billion dollars and has to be decommissioned, you will find a roster that shows that they have attended their trans-awareness training.
	I have zero doubt of that.
	Why?
	Because the trans-awareness training is what's important to our Chief of Naval Operations, not firefighting.
	Now, he will tell you That firefighting is important.
	But as a commander, what is important is what you check.
	And if you, you know, if I was the CNO and I went to Coronado, I would say, stop my car.
	I'm going on to that ship right there.
	I want to talk to the commander or executive officer, whoever the officer of the day is, and I want them to run a firefighting drill for me.
	Right now, right here.
	In front of me.
	No warning.
	No nothing.
	Run the firefighting drill.
	Let's see if they can do it.
	I would not walk on and say, have you guys done your people who voted for Trump or extremist training?
	That would not be my priority.
	That would be the priority under the current regime.
	But yes, when you make that the metric of success, then you create a politically motivated officer corps.
	And you create, you know, the Mark Millies who say, literally testifying on Capitol Hill, I don't know what critical race theory is, but I think it's really cool that we study it at West Point.
	That's what you know.
	That's what he said.
	I don't know what it is, but it's important because I have white rage as well.
	Yeah.
	Well, look, what your boss is important to you... What is important to your boss is important to you.
	And guys like that react.
	Good guys either shut up and drive on until they hit their retirement date or they get out.
	Good guys.
	I
	I know a lot of people are very loyal to Donald Trump, and I am too.
	But his loyalty, the loyalty of a politician, is to the people.
	And if he's not going to be the best, then he needs to get out of the way.
	Now, the question is, will he be the best?
	He may very well be.
	You look at the polls right now, and I know the president is looking at them, you know, you got Joe Biden is polling right down there with toe fungus.
	And Kamala's doing even worse.
	I think Donald Trump has a lot of, he has a ceiling of support because there are people out there who irrationally hate him.
	But I think there are a lot of people who are sorry that they gave Biden a chance because they saw Biden falsely as normalcy.
	They saw Trump as a disruptive force.
	Trump is a disruptive force, and I think that's what we need, but I don't represent all Americans.
	The thing we have the greatest problem with, and I've done a whole monologue on it on my TV show on the Gawker Reality Checker on Newsmax, is these people who say they're conservatives and Republicans, and they still say it now, a year later.
	I love the tweets.
	I like the tweets.
	That being said, I think one of the worst strategic decisions of the It's funny.
	tech titan types was to censor Trump's ability to use social media because it effectively took Trump off the front page and eliminated their talking point that Trump's this giant disruptive force.
	Now he's kind of in the background.
	He's making money.
	He's making plans.
	He is supporting candidates.
	And it's all under the radar because he can't tweet about it.
	I think those guys really shot themselves in the foot with it.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	But what means wait is kind of shorthand for Trump is scary and disruptive.
	But again, I like disruptive.
	I want disruptive.
	Is that the best tactic to use in pursuit of our objective?
	It may very well be.
	There are other people who do a lot of conservative stuff.
	Without that, and they may run in the primary or they may not.
	I don't know.
	Look, I will happily support the president if he's the right guy, certainly if he's the nominee.
	But my feeling is he's got to come back and win the primary.
	He's got to convince people, it's me again.
	Let's do this thing.
	You made exactly the same point Victor Davis Hanson did, that he's even more influential now that he's been censored on the main platforms and removed that avenue of attack for the lying legacy media.
	Look we shall see I know one thing there's nobody nobody on the left or the right who can fill a stadium of 60,000 people in less than 24 hours and that by itself is a metric of something.
	You've got to follow this guy Kurt Schlichter on Twitter.
	He says he formerly ran an armed car wash It's a little bit more substantive than that.
	Read his Kelly Turnbull series.
	The latest is Split.
	Also, can't wait for his non-fiction work.
	And read his articles at townhall.com.
	God bless you, Kurt.
	Keep doing what you do.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	Keep your head on a swivel.
	Watch your six.
	Hold the line!
	Never give up.
	Never give in.

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