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Oct. 6, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Biden's DOJ targeting conservative parents as "terrorists"

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	If you
	set less into the radio for so much of the day like I do, you're going to want to keep breaking news updates in front of you because that's one of the greatest purposes we serve.
	The latest breaking news, the shooter.
	The 18-year-old black student in Arlington, Texas, who used a .45 handgun against three fellow students and a teacher.
	All are still alive.
	They are injured.
	They are not fatalities.
	That individual has been apprehended, or rather, with his lawyer.
	That's interesting.
	The 18-year-old, with his lawyer, has surrendered himself to police custody, so he has turned himself in.
	As soon as we get any more information, we will provide it for you.
	So the Arlington, Texas, school shooting, four injured, and the perpetrator is now in custody.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First on the Salem Radio Network.
	We have an incredible show for you today in studio for the whole third hour.
	Sean Spicer, my colleague, former White House Press Secretary.
	We will also be joined by Senator Ron Johnson, Jennifer Horne, President Trump's former attorney, Jenna Ellis, Alan Bukhari of Breitbart on the Facebook so-called whistleblower, and for the latest On the markets, on what Biden is doing to this economy, we will be talking to our market maven, Trish Regan.
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	So, where to begin?
	I got up rather early today to drive an hour west and south to go to a private breakfast meeting.
	Lovely house in Virginia, thank you to our hosts, you know who you are, where local businessmen, it was a small gathering, maybe 20, 25 people, got to meet the Republican candidate For the office of the Governor of the Commonwealth.
	You've heard me discuss Glenn Youngkin here on the show.
	I've invited him more than once to appear and I thought I'd go there in person because the individual who was organizing that event, you know who you are, I'll just say...
	Ed.
	Let's call him Ed.
	He said, why don't you come along?
	And I did.
	And I listened.
	And I said, this is an opportunity for me to make my decision as to who this person was.
	I'll tell you right now that, without notes, Glenn Youngkin gave an impassioned speech for More than half an hour.
	Didn't take questions quite as I was expecting.
	I wanted to ask him something but some questions were pre-submitted.
	He had time for two of them and my friend Ed asked Glenn Youngkin those questions and he acquitted himself.
	The speech was passionate.
	It laid out The evil of Terry McAuliffe, the former governor, the Democrat candidate, who truly is, I mean, he is Hillary Clinton's bag man.
	He is, he's evil.
	What he's done to Virginia in the past, what he said in the debate a few days ago with Yankin, where he actually said, and we should pick that soundbite up and we should play it to you, where he said, parents shouldn't, shouldn't be telling teachers what to teach their children.
	That's what Terry McAuliffe said.
	In a state where paedophilic, pornographic material is in the libraries of our public schools, Terry McAuliffe said parents shouldn't be allowed to tell teachers what they are teaching.
	Of course, you know the news yesterday.
	The Department of Justice has responded to a request from the National Association of School Board Members to investigate parents across America as a domestic terrorist threat.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, the right notes were hit.
	We are in negotiations right now.
	My producer, Jeff, is in negotiations with the Youngkin campaign, with the head of the Youngkin campaign, to afford Glenn a very simple platform.
	We have three million voters.
	It is my contention, and I said this to the campaign manager, there are certain people around the candidate who believe that he He will not win if he embraces America First and the MAGA message and the Trump voters.
	I told his campaign, his campaign manager, he cannot win without the America First base.
	I get Northern Virginia, I understand it.
	It's full of Democrats, overpaid bureaucrats who have moved here in their hundreds of thousands in the last 20 years.
	But Northern Virginia isn't Virginia.
	It is not the Commonwealth.
	Northern Virginia is an outcropping of Washington DC.
	The idea that you measure your success as a gubernatorial candidate By what Northern Virginia wants is political suicide.
	Virginia is still a Republican homestead.
	The values of Virginians, real Virginians, not carpetbaggers, but real Virginians, are conservative.
	And I know, as sure as I'm sitting here right now talking to those voters, That a conservative cannot win in Virginia without those people who supported President Trump.
	Just a very simple metric.
	If you're listening, you know who you are, Mr. Campaign Manager.
	Think of this.
	Think of this.
	This never happens to an incumbent, especially a Republican.
	Donald Trump got 12 million more votes for his second term.
	Usually incumbents lose votes.
	He got 12 million more last year.
	He got more votes from Hispanics, from black Americans, and there is a sizable minority community in Richmond.
	He got more votes than any Republican president since the 1960s.
	It's just a statement of fact.
	If you want to win, if you are a true conservative who believes in America First, you must embrace the peaceful revolution that happened in 2016.
	It's not about running from the MAGA hats.
	It's about understanding what Virginia is.
	I understand there are those around Glenn Youngkin who don't get MAGA, who have tendencies that are establishment and who want to play it safe.
	I'll say one thing to you, Glenn.
	You're not going to win if you play it safe.
	American voters, after 2016, after what they're seeing on the southern border in Del Rio, what they're seeing with regards to Afghanistan, they don't want safe.
	They want patriotic.
	So, we are in negotiations to have Glenn come on the show tomorrow.
	And all he has to do Is to give a summary, just a, I said a five minute summary of what he did this morning at that early breakfast in a beautiful part of Virginia to three million voters live.
	People whose vote he's gonna need because it's neck and neck.
	You may lose by a handful of votes.
	Don't make it because you didn't come on this show.
	It's not gonna be a gotcha.
	It's not gonna be an ambush.
	I don't do that.
	Look at the last more than two and a half years of this radio show.
	It's not my style.
	So, that's my report from the field!
	Much more to share with you here on America First and the Salem Radio Network coming to you from the reliefactor.com studios just outside the insalubrious fatty swap that is Washington DC.
	See wherever you are, whatever you're doing, don't touch that dial.
	Mic's on.
	Well, if they're half as excited as I am for this, I feel like you'll have a little... That's pretty fair, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I've never done a gotcha.
	I don't think so.
	Not even when you had the Young Turks guy on?
	No, I didn't.
	I was just thinking, did I do a gotcha with, what's his name, what's the kind of... Shank?
	Shank, yeah.
	It was not a gotcha.
	It was a debate.
	It wasn't a gotcha.
	No?
	Yeah.
	And he was so petrified anyway, he would have probably wet his pants.
	He was really scared.
	That was hilarious.
	He did not know what he was in for.
	Bakari's booker said I can dial him up three minutes out from the start of the interview, so that would be in about 20 seconds.
	He has a booker?
	A bright bot?
	Or somebody.
	Both has a booker.
	The point of call.
	Oh, he has a book, that's why.
	That's why.
	10, 6, 1, A. Uh-huh.
	Aye-yi-yi.
	So it was good, the 30, 40 minutes?
	The speech was good.
	Yeah, the speech was good.
	I didn't like that they, you know, they handled, you know, the questions were like baked in.
	It was probably, you know, just to keep it on time.
	But he's slick.
	I mean, I think the issue is just the people around him.
	It's not online.
	Let me try again.
	Oh, this is Skype.
	Yeah, it's Skype.
	Yeah, if not I do have his number.
	I'll text him.
	Oh, okay Ringing at the far end Same thing Come Facebook whistleblower Francis Haugen, that's it Okay, you wanted to do merch and be here Mm-hmm Sure We're gonna have to start playing your video I want to use that on the show.
	If you have any other pictures or imagery that you like, that you want in there, especially high quality... I think it's good.
	I would just swap those two out.
	Let me see if I can email them to you right now.
	I'm just going off of whatever I can pull from elsewhere.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Still not getting anything.
	Well, Skype is up, so if you do, yeah, it should come through.
	Everyone should be able to hear.
	Yeah.
	Just, we'd like to... We'd like to, you know... 90 seconds.
	- Yeah. - You can do a phone if need be, 'cause we do have his number if it's not working out. - It's hard for you to use vertical 'cause we do have his number if it's not working out. - It's hard for you to use vertical shots, right?
	It just doesn't look as good.
	I can, depending on what we're gonna run and what sort of stuff, I can build stuff around it to make them look better.
	I suppose we could get a template so we can use it.
	I'm sending you two shots you might be able to use.
	Okay.
	You gotta tell me if the resolution is... Still not getting anything.
	Should I try phone?
	We have 45 seconds.
	Yeah, call him on the phone.
	Okay.
	Alright, turn it off the skip.
	And that should be pretty simple because I just got to, you know, get some nice placement, a little bit of movement.
	Alright, so I sent you a couple.
	Okay, I'll take a look in the next break.
	Oh, here's the photograph, here's the photograph.
	Ignore that first email, I'm sending you the second one.
	Alright.
	The second one you receive are the photographs you want to use.
	Excellent, excellent.
	Alright, so me in front of Marine One, me in the oval, you'll see them.
	Okay, we got ten seconds.
	Stand by.
	If you get him on the phone, I'll bring him up.
	Alright.
	Making sense out of today's news, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	It's a good thing.
	Is the fake news industrial complex waking up?
	Or are they just, you know...
	Broken clocks that say the correct time twice a day.
	They have a correspondent who covers the Middle East, Afghanistan, very often wearing a headscarf because she has to, although the headscarf with the lipstick, not sure the Taliban's going to get the right message with that.
	And she has a frightening admission when it comes to what the Taliban did, not with their own prisoners in prison, but what they did With the other terrorists as well.
	Cut seven, play cuts!
	And I remember that day very clearly.
	It was the morning that the Taliban took control of Kabul and we were initially very concerned about the security situation because we knew that the prisons at Bagram, Parwan prison and also Polacharki had been, essentially the doors had been opened and the prisoners had been freed.
	The Taliban did that to let all their prisoners out but of course in the process hundreds of ISIS-K prisoners potentially also Hundreds of ISIS, Khorasan prisoners as well because they weren't exactly vetting who should stay in the prisons.
	So here's the question for you.
	What do you think they're doing?
	Hundreds of ISIS terrorists released by the regime that took over Kabul have taken over Afghanistan because Joe Biden pulled our troops out of that country after 20 years because he wanted to have that photo op.
	He wanted to be able to say for the 20th anniversary of September the 11th that he ended the war.
	Couple of problems with that, Joe.
	Number one, you don't get to declare victory unless certain conditions are met, such as you've crushed the enemy, or they surrender.
	And secondly, Where are those terrorists now?
	We'll take your calls, 833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752, but we have to go to our first guest of the day.
	Why?
	Because, well, there's an alleged whistleblower on Capitol Hill, and this man knows the truth about the big tech allegations made.
	Alan Bakari of Breitbart, investigating big tech for the most influential conservative website there is.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Hey, Alum, let's start with the basics.
	Who is this person, Frances Haugen, and does she qualify as a quote-unquote whistleblower?
	Well, the most important point about her is that she worked on Facebook's civic integrity team for the election.
	That was the unit at Facebook that was specifically charged with interfering in the democratic election.
	Uh, interfering, of course, mostly on behalf of Joe Biden.
	This was the same unit that centered the New York Post on reporting on Hunter Biden.
	Um, so that, she was a part of Facebook, and she left the company because she was upset that that unit was wound down after the election.
	Uh, personally, I think that's a very deep that they wound down the election interference unit after it's done its job, which was to, obviously, stop President Trump from being re-elected.
	So let me see if I've got this right.
	So she is a whistleblower insofar as she didn't like the fact that Facebook did less election interference after the election and didn't maintain the unit that was there to censor reports such as the actual true story of Hunter Biden.
	So her issue isn't malfeasance.
	The issue is not enough malfeasance.
	Am I getting you right?
	That's about right.
	So her issue is that Facebook isn't censoring enough, that it isn't spreading its civic integrity or election interference around the world.
	And it's very interesting that this is the Facebook whistleblower that the media has chosen to make into a celebrity.
	Because there have been other Facebook whistleblowers.
	Project Veritas interviewed several Facebook whistleblowers who exposed censorship.
	that over the past two years, They were never invited before the Senate.
	They were never given a 60-minute interview.
	So it's very interesting that this is the person that they've chosen to elevate.
	And of course, it's very simple why they did that.
	The media loves election interference.
	They love Facebook censorship.
	They want more of it.
	That's why they're elevating this person.
	He's the author of hashtag deleted big text battle to erase the Trump movement and steal the election.
	Can you tell us is there any scuttlebutt?
	Is there anything verifiable with regards to the Facebook Instagram meltdown in the last few days?
	People weren't even allegedly able to enter the building because the card readers weren't working.
	Is it really?
	There's an official narrative.
	Is there any alternative?
	What are your sources telling you?
	You know, my sources are saying it was essentially just a massive mess-up on Facebook's part.
	You know, nothing more sinister than that.
	But it shows you how dependent we are on these platforms, and it also shows you how small things can knock out large sections of the Internet.
	This isn't the first time it's happened.
	And it also shows you How devastating a cyber war would be and why that would be a huge part of any conflict with China or Russia or any of these other antagonists because you can see how quickly massive parts of the web could go down.
	With the announcement by the Attorney General that the FBI will be targeting investigating parents as potential domestic terrorists because they have, you know, questions for school boards, Are you suspicious?
	Do you have the expectation that now, for example, Facebook could collude with federal authorities to give the history of parents and provide alleged incriminating evidence that besmirch these people who just want to have their say in front of the school boards?
	Given past trends, what is big tech's role going to be?
	I think that's absolutely something to be concerned by, and we're seeing the federal government really be weaponized under Joe Biden, and I think people should take very, very close care of their online security.
	They should use VPNs.
	They should not just be browsing the web openly.
	You know, we've seen in the past the FBI and the security services people requesting that tech companies break their own encryption methods.
	I think they're going to continue to do that, only they're doing it this time to target people domestically, to target ordinary Americans who are voicing their political views.
	And I think that trend will absolutely continue.
	And we already see cooperation.
	We saw PayPal saying that they're going to share data with law enforcement and the far-left Anti-Defamation League in order to go after the far right.
	So the tech companies are actually, I think, being more cooperative with the deep state, with the security state, to target ordinary Americans, to target conservatives, than they ever were when it came to fighting al-Qaeda or Islamic extremists.
	Are you impressed with anybody on the right who's taking a stance against these monsters, Alam?
	I think Blake Masters is one to watch.
	He's one of the Republican candidates in Arizona, and he worked closely with Peter Thiel in Silicon Valley.
	He's one of the few Silicon Valley conservatives, so he really understands the issues and understands what might be needed to fix them.
	In the meantime, educate yourself, read the book, hashtag deleted big tech's battle to erase the Trump movement and steal the election and follow this man at Libertarian Blue.
	Thank you, Alam.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	- Alan?
	- Nice, Ed.
	- Hey, good, good.
	We're gonna let you go because the sound is less than ideal.
	But next time... Sorry about that.
	No worries.
	It's just, you know, I don't know where you are, but it's a little bit echoey.
	But next time we'll have you on for longer.
	Great.
	Yeah, I'm traveling at the moment.
	It's probably why it's the hotel room.
	No worries.
	All right.
	Thanks, buddy.
	Be safe.
	Bye bye.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Got that.
	All right, we've got a free segment for, want me to unlock your phones?
	Yes.
	You can.
	You can.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	We have one C and one E open, and then Trish... Mm-hmm.
	That's on D. Oh.
	Oh.
	Titles, when you got a moment. - One.
	One A, um... Yeah.
	Yonkin.
	Yeah, Glenn Yonkin's gubernatorial chances.
	Okay.
	And Alom, um... Yeah.
	Facebook's fake whistleblower.
	Alright.
	And the one-on-one?
	Let me think about that.
	Okay.
	I've got to talk about this Chicago story.
	Hello America First.
	Uh, this is Eric, actually, filling in for Jeff.
	Jeff, how you doing?
	Oh.
	All right.
	All right.
	I will go ahead and put you on hold, see if we can get you on the air.
	Please stand by.
	Thanks for calling in.
	Resolution on those pictures is great.
	Oh, good.
	And that marine one.
	Really cool.
	I'm gonna put that in there.
	Good.
	Yeah.
	It's so big.
	They're such good quality that you can blow them up so they can take up the widescreen instead of... Oh, good.
	Yeah, so that... Good, good, good.
	We got a minute left.
	Yeah.
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	OK.
	We'll get to your calls momentarily.
	Trish Regan's going to be on next.
	But before we get to that, where do I start?
	Let's start with Chicago.
	What should be the reaction to a gangland shooting in which a person is killed and four other people are injured?
	And you've got it all on videotape.
	What would be your reaction?
	Charges filed, right?
	Wrong!
	If you live in Chicago, that's not what happens.
	This is from Fox News' Danielle Wallace.
	Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, interesting, is lashing out against Cook County State Attorney Kim Fox.
	You know who she is.
	She's the Juicy Smollet, Magalan.
	Oh yes, that really happened, except it didn't.
	Why?
	Because Fox cited mutual combatants, quote-unquote, it's a legal term for people who, you know, start a fight about the same time, in her decision not, not to press charges against those arrested in a deadly daylight neighborhood shootout caught on camera last week between rival gang members.
	Lori Lightfoot said she's got to explain to the public why.
	Given the evidence, a pod camera right there that captured the entire thing, and the police officers on the scene in uniform, a squad car right there, why isn't that enough?
	Oh, so Lori Lightfoot is now concerned about crime in Chicago?
	Where are the pigs?
	Are they flying past the window?
	They must be.
	The price of bacon must be increasing.
	Lightfoot said at a press conference Monday, if the bad guys that are out there are picking up guns and shooting without any regard for the sanctity of life... Hang on.
	If bad guys are shooting without regard for the sanctity of life, isn't that what bad guys do?
	What do you mean, if?
	Because usually bad guys say, ooh, sanctity for life, right?
	I'm not going to.
	These guys are just unbelievable.
	Do not believe that there's accountability for them.
	The brazenness will not end.
	Really, in Chicago, the brazenness will not end.
	You mean the fact that when you're the mayor, we've seen between 50 and 80 people shot every weekend?
	Between 10 and 12 murdered actually die every weekend?
	And she said, this is the best bit.
	And our communities will not be safe.
	Are they safe now?
	Lord, are the communities safe now?
	One person was killed and five others were taken into custody and later released.
	How are you released?
	In a gangland shooting?
	The shootout happened in the Austin neighborhood Friday on the city's west side.
	Three gang members began shooting into a single-family home in broad daylight in an effort to draw out the rival gang's members.
	Three individuals inside the home returned fire, killing one of the offenders outside.
	More than 70 rounds were expended.
	And the whole shooting was captured on a city video CCTV camera, as a marked squad car of uniformed officers rolled up on the scene shortly thereafter.
	70 rounds expended, one dead, five arrested, oh, but then released.
	That's Chicago.
	That's all you need to know.
	But Lightfoot, the mayor, she's the angry one.
	Oh, and one last thing.
	Defund the police, right?
	That's the Democrat mantra.
	Defund the police.
	Next time they won't even have the cameras to show you the footage of the people being murdered in a gangland shooting.
	70 rounds expended but nobody charged.
	Sheer insanity.
	If you live in Chicago, God bless you, you are in our prayers.
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	Hey, who's this?
	This is Robert from Arizona.
	Hey, Robert.
	Welcome to America First.
	Thank you.
	I wanted to personally thank you For having Mr. Neil Oliver on last Wednesday.
	I've seen many of his documentaries as well as his current podcast.
	And I would really like to see him on your show again.
	So I'm curious because I only got to know about Neil a couple of months ago.
	You know, you're in Arizona.
	How did you know about him?
	I watch, I'm a big YouTuber.
	And I like documentaries, especially on Timeline and Odyssey.
	And he did some pretty impressive stuff, like two men in a trench going back to the First World War.
	Of course, coats.
	And then he did the faces of the different ethnic groups.
	Backgrounds came to being, you know, through the Anglo-Saxons, the Romans, etc.
	What's his primary... Does he do all periods, or does he stick to a certain period in history?
	He's been pretty much all across the board.
	Interesting.
	Good.
	Well, you know, I just found his monologues on the GB News fascinating, so that's why I invited him on the show, but...
	Robert, I'm going to make sure that I check out his documentaries, because I love his documentaries too.
	Stay on the line, Robert.
	Eric, let's give Robert one of the Trump T-shirts.
	Will we do that?
	Yeah, get his address.
	Okay.
	Thank you very much, doctor.
	Stay on the line.
	Thanks.
	All right, we got Trish.
	We want to do that intro, right?
	Yeah, connect me.
	Okay, here we go.
	Trish.
	I'm going to play you a little cut of Biden's that you're going to interpret for me about taxes.
	We'll have a chat and then we'll talk about Yellen's squawk box interview and whether that disturbed you.
	Is there anything else that's on your front burner?
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	Welcome to America First, our market maven, Trish Regan!
	Hello!
	Good to be back with you, Seb.
	Now, you are a classically trained singer.
	You are a preeminent expert on markets, but I'd like you today to exercise your linguistic skills.
	I'm sure you've sang many an aria in Italian, but this is an audio cut, a video cut from the man who sadly Stop giggling!
	This is a serious question.
	The man who sadly bears the title of President of the United States and I want somebody to translate it for me.
	It's about tax credits and I just don't get it.
	Cut one.
	Most people don't know if you walk to the average informed person, doctor, lawyer, whatever, and said child care tax credit.
	They're not sure what that means.
	But what it means is, you know, if you were making a decent salary and you had two kids or three kids or four under the age of 18, you get to deduct $2,000 for each child off your bottom line of your taxes you owe.
	Well, guess what?
	If you're making 15 bucks an hour, you don't have any taxes to pay like that.
	So guess what, you got nothing.
	Zero.
	Zero.
	No help.
	So, he's trying to tell us that a tax credit is actually a tax cut.
	Is that news to you, Trish Reagan?
	That's like a whole new language, okay?
	And by the way, I speak a lot of languages.
	A lot.
	But I don't speak, I don't speak whatever this is that he's trying to... By Denise.
	By Denise.
	By me.
	By Denise.
	I'm sorry, what he's talking about is a tax credit.
	In other words, a tax cut is what you get if you pay taxes, right?
	And maybe you would get a tax cut because you have children and the government's going to say, OK, well, you know what, we're going to deduct it.
	No, in this case, it's like, OK, well, you're not paying any taxes, so therefore we want to give you money, give you money.
	I mean, look, Seb, I'm sorry, 61% of the country did not pay any federal income tax period last year.
	And if we continue on this path, I mean, the disastrous consequences will be quite, quite real.
	It's really mind-boggling.
	I mean, this is handout.
	They're trying to buy votes.
	That's effectively what's going on.
	And you know what?
	Americans, they're so over it.
	Just look at his poll numbers.
	No matter what he does, people don't want it.
	They don't want what Joe Biden is saying.
	They're not buyers at this moment, and that's good.
	Let's translate it to layman's terms.
	America doesn't want what Joe Biden is selling.
	Okay, let's go from Bidenese to real market forces.
	You've got a fun story today.
	Playboy, after, what is it, 70 years, changed their brand and it didn't work out too well, did it Trish?
	No.
	So, yeah, they've had a pretty iconic brand for a long time.
	And I'm sure Hugh Hefner would be pretty appalled at this one.
	Anyway, look, it shows you the importance of sticking to your brand.
	The stock's down about 2.5% today.
	The stock has been down about 8% just over the last five days.
	They came out with a new cover.
	We have it on TrishIntel.com.
	Show the cover, Eric.
	Show the cover.
	The cover has a man dressed up as a Playboy bunny.
	As a bunny.
	So a man is now a bunny.
	And look, that's, you know, maybe that works for some magazines.
	But let's keep in mind, you know, Playboy has tried to appeal to heterosexual men for many decades now.
	So I don't think this is going to go over well.
	I mean, you just look at the commentary.
	And even I saw it on social media when we posted this story.
	People were like, okay, I'm dropping my subscription.
	I never want to see that magazine.
	They're like really kind of offended because it's like, wait a second, we thought you guys were this brand and now you're trying to be so woke.
	The woke thing isn't really working.
	I mean, it's a nice catchphrase, but isn't it true?
	You look at the Star Wars brand, you look at Star Trek, you look at movies, you know, the go woke, go broke has been demonstrated again and again and again, Trish.
	Because you know what?
	You can't reinvent human nature.
	All right, now there's probably a market for the gentleman dressed as a bunny.
	Go to that market.
	It's not Playboy readers.
	It's not Playboy readers.
	I'm not a businessman.
	Exactly.
	I mean, come on.
	I'm not a businessman.
	I think the company's kind of doomed.
	It's like it jumped the shark at this point.
	Yeah, I'm not a businessman, but I could have told them that.
	Okay, last story, a more serious one on CNBC's Squawk Box.
	Janet Yellen, Treasury Secretary, said she's fine, absolutely fine, with getting the banking system to report every transaction to the IRS $600 and over.
	I mean, A, it's scary, right?
	And B, how much data are they going to have on us, Trish?
	Oh, tons.
	I mean this is extraordinary alarming to me.
	It makes me like Bitcoin a whole lot more right now, let me just say, because I really don't like the idea of the government Knowing every single thing that happens, and this is effectively what they would have access to.
	I mean, who doesn't have more than... I'm sorry, but most people have bank accounts, and at some point they're going to have more than $600 in there.
	If you have more than $600 in your bank account, now the federal government, the IRS, gets to look at it.
	And I find that alarming, too, only because anybody who's registered as a Republican You know, you just don't know what the algorithms are going to do, right?
	How they're going to piece all this together.
	They've now got access to your bank account.
	I find it very, very disturbing.
	And listen, we should all be going nuts on this.
	As Americans, this is not I'm sorry, even if you're on the left, OK?
	Because you know what?
	If the right's in charge and the federal government has access to your bank account, you don't want that.
	You just shouldn't want that.
	This is really alarming.
	And the idea that she's going to justify it, I'm sorry.
	I mean, she has proven herself to be, frankly, kind of a political hack.
	She never used to be this way.
	But she was at the Fed.
	She was way more guarded.
	Now she's just carrying Biden's water.
	She's carrying the party's water.
	It happens to all of them, from Milley to Yellen, Oh my gosh, A.G.
	Garland, their political hacks.
	Now, those who question teachers and school boards of domestic terrorists, there's a reason she's from New Hampshire.
	Her motto is, of course, live free or die.
	Follow her on Twitter.
	Follow her.
	Get her podcast, The Trish Regan Show.
	Trish underscore Regan.
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	Good stuff.
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	All right, let's have a look at the latest version of the video.
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	Let's roll.
	Okay, so we've got the video for the merch.
	Yeah.
	I want it added to every one-on-one.
	At the end?
	Before you post it.
	No, I want it dropped in somewhere in the middle where it's natural.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	Okay?
	Yeah, I can do that.
	You don't have to do it with what we did today, because I mentioned it during the interview, but let's drop it in somewhere into Sean's posting.
	Sean's?
	Okay.
	Yeah, because I forgot to mention it yesterday.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Ten seconds standby.
	Alright.
	Oh, there he is.
	Oh, there he is. there he is.
	There's my guy.
	Good job.
	How's your new show going?
	Good?
	Very well, thank you.
	I heard good.
	We work so hard we're editing videos in the breaks here.
	We finished the one I just teased.
	What was it?
	Eight minutes ago?
	It's ready because, well, we have this massive army of technicians, videographers.
	How many?
	Hang on, is Eric there?
	Uh, yeah, I've got your six as always.
	I hope so, because, uh, today, how many people are running this show?
	Outside of the guy who's blabbering on the microphone, how many people are here?
	A whopping two people.
	Two?!
	Hang on!
	NPR needs 47 people for a one-hour show!
	How are we doing three hours with two people?
	We make magic happen here at American First.
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	Mr. G, I hope you're enjoying your well-deserved rest wherever you are.
	It is John Jr.
	It is Eric.
	But as ever, we provide you the goods.
	Let's stay on the issue of Big Tech.
	Somebody who did an amazing one-on-one interview with us.
	You've got to check it.
	Go to Rumble.
	Go to the podcast.
	There's an amazing IT self-made entrepreneur, Vivek Ramaswamy, and he was on Fox with Varney, another guy with a cool accent, and he had this to say about Zuckerberg and Facebook.
	Cut five.
	Vivek, should Zuckerberg have to go?
	You know, I think that's less the question about whether Zuckerberg's a top Facebook or not.
	It is a behemoth that stands on its own terms, Stuart.
	But here's also what I think.
	We need to be really precise about what we're holding Facebook accountable for and what we ought not hold them accountable for because we might actually make the problem worse if we do.
	I'll tell you what I mean.
	For lying to the public, we should absolutely hold them accountable.
	Saying you're doing one thing and doing another, that is the definition of consumer fraud.
	Working hand-in-glove with the government to censor content that the government cannot censor directly, that's bad.
	We need to call them out for it.
	But I'm a little bit skeptical, Stuart, of also holding them accountable for team body management issues.
	For also holding them accountable for anger management issues of their users.
	We have to deal with those issues in the offline world I like this idea.
	Consumer fraud.
	That could be the next angle.
	They say one thing and do the other.
	That could be, perhaps, their biggest vulnerability.
	Nicely done, Vivek.
	Let's go to your cause.
	Brent in Los Angeles, line one.
	Welcome aboard, Brent.
	RPG Gorka.
	Explosive commentary.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Yes.
	Well, and I don't mean that as rocket-propelled grenade.
	I mean that as righteous, profound, and good.
	Oh, I like that.
	Not a role-playing game, though.
	And you are 100% right, saying that any Republican gubernatorial candidate not fully embracing Trump and America first will definitely be defeated.
	Just like Larry Elder lost California when he allowed himself to be misdirected and distanced from Trump, as his gutless, godless professional rhino consultants demanded.
	They're not going to be They advised him that Trump would be the kiss of death, and Larry trusted their decades worth of California political consultant history.
	And I told two of them that President Trump was touched and blessed by God, and that should not be trifled away.
	Wow.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I want to continue this offline because this is fascinating.
	Stay on the line.
	I want to hear what you said to those two advisors.
	But at the end of the day, look, here's the reality.
	You're going to be tarred.
	They're going to smear you with MAGA and Trump because they hate it.
	So you've got to embrace it and then you're going to win.
	God bless you, Brent.
	stay on the line.
	Thank you.
	The End
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	America First!
	Can you believe it?
	They are saying that they don't agree with America first.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	This is the Salem Radio Network, and I'm your host, Sebastian Gawker, member of the National Security Education Board, former strategist of President Trump, and delighted, honored to have with us, you know me, I'm not a big fan of senators in general.
	Most of them have egos that, well, let's just say this, if they jumped off their ego onto their IQ, it would be instant death.
	There are exceptions.
	We love Marsha Blackburn.
	There are others.
	And today we have one of those exceptions.
	Proudly serving the great state of Wisconsin, Senator Ron Johnson.
	Welcome to America First.
	Well, Sebastian, I hope you're well.
	I am indeed, fighting fit because we have a republic to save and you are one of the people who is doing his darndest to make that happen.
	Lots of things I want to discuss with you, the latest developments with the Durham probe and everything else, but close to your heart, anybody who goes to your Twitter feed, Sen Ron Johnson, that's Sen Ron Johnson, sees that you are battling Battling the mandate, the vaccine mandate.
	I've said it on this show.
	I've had COVID.
	I'm not afraid of any variants.
	And you are going to have to arrest me and tie me down to vaccinate me.
	I am not afraid of this disease.
	Will you talk to us from your perspective on Capitol Hill, from your constituents in Wisconsin?
	How much of a constitutional threat to the Republic is this idea of mandated vaccine, Senator?
	Well, it's a huge constitutional threat, but it's also a threat to our military readiness as well as our health care system.
	I really want to focus on the heroes, the doctors, the nurses that have the courage and the passion to treat COVID.
	So many of them caught COVID.
	Some, unfortunately, died, tragically died.
	Most survived.
	And now many of them are witnessing vaccine injuries.
	And especially, I'm sure you're like me, I was a big supporter of Operation Warp Speed.
	Yes.
	But I'm also the champion of Right to Try, and a corollary of that is Right to Refuse.
	Nobody should be pressured, coerced, or theory prized for not accepting any medical treatment, including the COVID vaccines.
	And you fast forward it to current science, you know, unfortunately, these vaccines are not 100% effective.
	They are not 100% safe.
	We're close to 16,000 deaths on the VAERS system reported in 10, 11 months.
	5200 of those about a third occurred on day zero one and two.
	Now, the CDC, the FDA completely ignoring that they're blowing off their own safety surveillance system.
	But we also now know that even if you're vaccinated, you can get infected with with cobit.
	You can transmit cobit.
	So what's the rationale for the mandate?
	But not only that, Senator, if you actually look at their signs, which we are told daily is what the CDC does, you look at nations like Israel that have almost total vaccination.
	They have higher rates of transmissal than those who have natural immunity.
	You have factors of greater disease attainment and transmissal than those who've had it already and don't transmit it.
	So why are we the science deniers when you look at the data and it is clear natural immunity is more effective than a vaccine?
	And on top of that, there are people with conditions that preclude them.
	From taking a vaccine or could endanger them.
	So at the end of the day, what is the right response?
	Is this going to be state by state?
	Is this going to have to be court cases?
	Because we're seeing medical workers, first responders, police officers saying, I'm not doing this.
	So where does this end, Senator Johnson?
	Well, I hope that individuals stick up for personal liberty and freedom, but they are under such duress.
	People can't afford to lose their job, their livelihood, their health care.
	And that's what this And again, we already have a severe health care worker and nursing shortage.
	Now, I held a roundtable this last week and nurses reporting that people were literally dying in the emergency room because there were not enough people to take care of them.
	Needlessly dying.
	You're going to exacerbate that.
	The first nurses you're going to lose are the baby boomers.
	Again, they're treating vaccine injuries.
	They're not going to take the jab, and so they will just retire.
	And then other people will quit.
	And I think you'll find out, I think the governor of New York will find out, as wonderful as National Guard medics are, they don't have 20 years experience like a nurse has in a particular specialty.
	This is going to do a great deal of harm to our healthcare system, but just our civic discourse.
	I read an email I got from a nurse.
	She's a nursing professor.
	And as they were discussing the faculty lounge, you know, how they were not going to make any accommodations for their students, one of the faculty members said, just let them try and get another career.
	And they laughed.
	And the writer emphasized, think of that for a minute.
	They laughed.
	They laughed at the crushing of their students' dreams.
	That is how caustic, that's how divisive.
	They're calling each other, they're calling unvaccinated killers in the hospital.
	That's why, that's one of the many reasons these mandates need to end.
	Yeah.
	Look, let's talk about what you mentioned right at the beginning, Senator.
	We're talking to Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin.
	The military, our combat effectiveness, there are reports of up to a hundred SEALs from the Naval Special Warfare Development Group who are refusing the vaccinations.
	If that happens, if they leave the service, we will be endangered because of a universal mandate, Senator.
	Precisely.
	What about pilots?
	You know, the myocarditis, which the FDA is actually concerned about, they ought to be concerned about all these deaths, the blood clots and everything else, that could make it quite unsafe for pilots piloting these high performance jets.
	So again, we're not thinking this thing through.
	And again, if we just have mass resignation or mass terminations throughout all kinds of industries, it's gonna be devastating for our economy as well.
	And again, For what reason?
	If even vaccinated, you can get infected, you can transmit, and you know, quite honestly, there is rationale in terms of why you might transmit at a higher level, because you're walking around, you're not particularly sick, because the vaccination does reduce severity symptoms.
	It does reduce chance of death, which means if you're infected, we're already knowing with the Delta variant, you have a higher viral load, a much higher one.
	So you're walking around, not particularly sick.
	You may be a super transmitter.
	Again, we don't know.
	We can't even ask those questions, Sebastian.
	Can you help us?
	I mean, you're on the front line of this issue.
	Have you divined what's going on here?
	Because I don't want to fall into the conspiracy theory trap or the this is just billions of dollars for Pfizer and whatever.
	Is this a function of risk aversion?
	Have you understood what's behind this fascistic approach?
	Is it just, well, we're going to tell you what to do because we're the government?
	Why is this administration being the most illiberal administration in American history?
	It's literally the $64,000 question to me.
	Again, they like a state of fear because that does help them control your life.
	But you know I was a strong advocate for early treatment.
	I never understood why we didn't robustly explore a cornucopia of repurposed drugs.
	The doctors are using.
	They believe successfully.
	Their patients believe it's been successful.
	And yet our NIH guideline continues to be do nothing until you're so sick, and hopefully we can save your life in the hospital.
	So, you know, that made no sense.
	Is it because these drugs are pennies of a pill versus now this molnupiravir, which some of my doctor friends are calling money piravir, is like $700 a treatment?
	Wow.
	If there was effective treatment, you couldn't get emergency use authorization on the vaccines.
	Is that what's going on here?
	I mean, I don't know.
	There is such a desire on the part, particularly of liberals, to put a shot in every arm.
	I have people warning about mass vaccination into a pandemic, vaccination into previously infected or currently infected.
	We don't test people for antibodies or asymptomatic current infections.
	Why have we taken such a cavalier attitude towards safety with these vaccines?
	Again, right to try.
	Allow people that want it under emergency use to have access to it.
	Those are the most vulnerable.
	Why do we ever think of pushing this on kids?
	We don't know the long-time safety profile.
	We don't.
	We rushed approval.
	We did.
	We did not have to prove this.
	It has emergency use authorization.
	We didn't need approval, and we short-circuited the time it takes to observe long-term safety signals.
	None of this makes sense.
	And merely the fact that we have a mortality rate of children in America from coronavirus of 0.05, Makes any vaccination just utterly, utterly unscientific.
	We're talking to Senator Ron Johnson.
	Follow him, ronjohnson.senate.gov and on Twitter at senronjohnson.
	Last question to you.
	We've got just over a minute.
	I know you've been very hot on this issue as well.
	There are more subpoenas.
	There's been one indictment from John Durham.
	Is this finally going to be the first real judicial consequence for the Russia-Russia hoax?
	Are you optimistic or still pessimistic?
	Well, I was very frustrated with John Durham that he didn't report before the election because I think the American people need to see it, but I am very encouraged by this Michael Sussman indictment.
	I encourage all your readers, read all 27 pages.
	It just lays out exactly what the Hillary Clinton campaign was doing, how corrupt they were, literally how corrupt the FBI had to be.
	They knew who Michael Sussman was.
	They should have at least asked the question, not take his lie on full faith.
	So no, it lays it out and I think there's a lot more to come.
	Well, I've mentioned on this show just this week, I read the whole 27 pages, chapter and verse.
	They have this man bang to rights.
	Will anybody else pay the price?
	That is the second $64,000 question.
	Thank you, Senator Johnson.
	Can't wait to have you in studio.
	Keep fighting the good fight, especially to stop this.
	Medical apartheid.
	It is absolutely wrong, especially for those with conditions that negate their capacity to take the vaccine, and especially our children who must be protected.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First across the nation from LA to New York.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, stay on this channel.
	Okay, mics on. mics on.
	How are you doing, guys?
	Are you surviving?
	Is the hardcore team surviving?
	I'd say we're surviving quite nicely.
	Thriving, even.
	Thriving!
	Oh, go to the Comrex, John?
	Ah, yeah, here, let me get that.
	Make sure that's on.
	I gotta switch it over from the Skype.
	What did he say?
	Right to try versus what right to...
	Right- Did you say right to die?
	I don't think- No, no, no, right- Was it right to deny?
	No, no, it's when- If you don't want to take it, right to try versus right to refuse.
	Right to refuse.
	Right to refuse, that's right.
	Yeah, I was getting the articles for Jen, so I was- Okay, so for that one... Alright, we should be... We are connected.
	16,000 dead from the vaccines.
	Dead from the vaccines, okay.
	And Trish and- I asked her about Trish.
	I'm gonna wait for her to respond.
	Okay.
	Okay, let's see.
	What do we have here?
	My pillow?
	My pillow.
	Oh wow, there's video of the fight that started the shooting.
	Oh, boy.
	Yeah, I heard this video of the fight, but not the shooting itself.
	There's a website that shows you where people, you know, get shot every weekend.
	Well, send that to me.
	I used to go to this website when I was at College Republicans.
	I would track it, and when we did gun control stuff, I said, who cares about the 13 people who got shot in Baltimore this weekend?
	And then you do that.
	I know they have it for Chicago, too.
	Tracking crime statistics.
	Okay.
	Anything from California?
	Jenna is on her way, by the way.
	Okay.
	Is she?
	Because it looks like they're connected.
	It looks like they're just not sending anything right now.
	Yeah.
	I'm not hearing anything.
	Yeah.
	I'll text her again if need be.
	I'll go ahead and text her right now.
	Make sure we test it.
	Okay.
	Because they look connected.
	I just texted her.
	Can I have her phone number if need be?
	Yep.
	90 seconds.
	Good.
	Get that over to you.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm going to pull this up.
	She says dot three or dot four.
	Uh, dot 3.
	Dot 3.
	It looks like they're on it.
	I just told her.
	turn.
	We're sending there right now.
	55.
	55.
	Okay, and I got the Charlie's Angels music to play in.
	Ooty dotes.
	She say she's.
	There we go.
	I hear something.
	Perfect.
	Good.
	Trish?
	Trish?
	Eric?
	Yes?
	Trish's title is Playboy Goes Woke.
	All right.
	All right.
	You want me to connect to you on Skype?
	Yes, please.
	Call us.
	30 seconds.
	We have 30 seconds.
	Skype.
	Ring-a-ding-ding.
	We're ring-a-ding-dinging.
	I see it, and I am answering it.
	Yay!
	Okay, 20 seconds.
	No sweat.
	No sweat.
	It's all professionalism here.
	Okay, I haven't played any cuts, have I?
	You've played some cuts.
	Oh, bollocks!
	I didn't play the one on... Oh, that's right.
	I don't need Mansion.
	That's fine.
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	Now it's time for some Whammo Blammo.
	Yes, indeed.
	She's with us right now, Jennifer Horne.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Whammo blammo, Seb.
	Whammo of the blammo.
	How are we doing on this fine?
	What day is it today?
	Wednesday?
	It's Whammo blammo Wednesday.
	It's Whammo Blammo Wednesday.
	Wednesday.
	How are we doing?
	Well, you know what?
	Things are a little tough here in LA.
	I am fully on strike.
	I just started my strike about an hour and a half ago.
	Yeah, well, the city of Los Angeles has now voted to make sure that people without vaccine status, without... You won't be able to go indoors anywhere, basically, without showing your vaccine status.
	Without your papers!
	That means restaurants, gyms, movie theaters, nail salons.
	And you know how I like to get my nails done.
	You're wrong.
	You're wrong.
	You just have to go to the French Laundry.
	Exactly.
	Now the French Laundry, easy peasy.
	But this is a pretty, in fact, a very significant change for L.A.
	City.
	Not to be confused with L.A.
	County, Orange County, the rest of the state.
	Some of them are still experiencing little bits of freedom.
	But L.A.
	City, that's where I live in the city of Los Angeles.
	It says, no more.
	If you don't prove your vaccine status, you can't go anywhere.
	And I got to tell you, this has nothing to do with the vaccine.
	We could argue all day long about whether it's right or wrong.
	Vaccinated, unvaccinated, if you don't stand up for freedom right now, you might as well say goodbye for it.
	So I am not going to any place, starting immediately, that requires me to show them A vaccine card.
	I just can't.
	This is the point.
	It's a matter of principle.
	Because if it's this, right?
	It really is.
	If this, you know, the camel gets its nose under the tent, the next it'll be, well, you better show me your DNC registration card.
	I mean, you know, there is no limit.
	If you are demanding papers that are mandated by the government, then, okay.
	So the flip question is, is everybody who is a business owner going to comply?
	That's my question.
	This is still really new.
	I would imagine no, but because there was pushback during the pandemic.
	I mean, keep in mind that in Los Angeles and California, all throughout the state, we were closed down for about a year and a half because of Gavin Newsom.
	And so businesses are just starting to get back into gear again.
	And do you really want the $15 an hour worker at Chick-fil-A?
	Now in charge of your medical health.
	Do you want to have these conversations?
	They are setting up a couple of different things.
	First of all, it's extremely racist because only 30 percent of people of color, of black Americans or black Californians have the vaccine.
	So they are going to start segregating people, having the people who are probably white elitist with the vaccine inside the restaurants and blacks will be sitting outside the restaurants.
	So they've got segregation going.
	They've got a problem with the businesses.
	They are now going to make them in charge of creating these conflicts with people who are fired up about this.
	It's going to cause problems.
	And so now you're affecting not only the economy and The racial makeup of the state.
	But, Sev, I mean, I don't know what comes next.
	I mean, what is next on the slippery slope?
	Already Gavin Newsom this week said that kids over the age of 12 will not be able to go to public or private school if they don't have the vaccine.
	And we have the lowest case rate in the country right now.
	Our case rate is going down.
	So this is not about following the science.
	This is about compliance.
	And that's why we have to make this less about the vaccine and more about freedom.
	I just asked this of Senator Ron Johnson, who literally opened the second hour, and I said, because he's fighting the mandates nationally.
	Sure.
	And I'm asking him, so have you worked out why they're doing this?
	Because I don't want to give in to the conspiracy theories of, you know, It's because Pfizer and Merck want the billions and whatever.
	And he said this is the $64,000 question.
	I don't know.
	Is it the money or is it just they want you to comply because it's easier to control you?
	Where do you sit on all this?
	Gavin Newsom, is he just a risk-averse pretty boy or is it darker than that?
	Well, OK, so my conspiracy theorist hat goes on when I think about this in California and in Los Angeles.
	First of all, L.A.
	is run by Mayor Garcetti, who is waiting confirmation to become the next ambassador from the Biden administration to India.
	Gavin Newsom took a hand from Biden, who came here and campaigned for him.
	As California goes, so does the rest of the country.
	And so I think that Gavin Newsom, and he even said that the reason he is rolling out these mandates for schoolchildren is because he thinks it will be a good example for the rest of the country.
	So I think what they're looking to do is have California be the leader so that other particularly blue states will follow suit and continue to strip away people's freedom.
	So I think it's a payback to the Biden administration.
	To answer your question about what I think is at the heart of this, I really don't know.
	I cannot tell you I've never been more fired up about another issue in my life.
	I can tell, Jen.
	I am fully, fully committed to do what we can do to fight back because it's not good for anybody and it's not about the science.
	I don't want to see people get sick.
	I believe that COVID is real.
	I don't think that the government is inserting magnets in our body.
	I don't feel like I'm a wax top.
	You've had COVID.
	I've had COVID.
	I've survived.
	You've had COVID.
	You've survived.
	And the reason that this feels like such a push is because the government is not considering natural immunity even though every expert that is telling the truth says that there is something to natural immunity and they're not even considering it.
	Either you have the mark and you have the vaccine card or you don't and they're dividing us.
	This is real-time segregation.
	It's the first time I've felt it in my life and we have to do something.
	So what happens next?
	I mean, God bless you for taking a stand, for being open about it.
	Are you going to organize other people who want to stand by their rights and exercise them?
	Is LA City going to see some groundswell?
	Is there going to be some kind of tea party analogue?
	What next, Jen?
	You know, I think we have to find out.
	It's really early.
	The vote just passed 11 to 2.
	It passed today.
	So this is brand new for L.A.
	City.
	I think we have to see who's going to come out swinging.
	What I think is unfortunate is that the government's not going to suffer.
	The government's not going to feel this.
	The businesses are going to feel this.
	Because people like me, I refuse to go to a place that's going to ask me for vaccine status, whether I get the vaccine or not.
	It's still part of my conversation with myself and my doctor.
	That should be all of our choices to figure out if we're going to get it.
	You know, we need to get it, but it shouldn't be forced on us.
	Here's an idea because I think I think courage is sadly often found not by itself necessarily organically.
	It has to be demonstrated by others.
	I think people should just, you know, organize.
	In little pods, there should be a couple people go to store after store, and they walk in, and when they're challenged and they say, where are your vaccine papers?
	We say, I'm an American, and that's un-American, and you walk out.
	I want a message to be sent, but I want it to be systematic.
	I want it to be widespread.
	I want it to be organized so that the shop owners, I'm not talking about intimidation.
	I'm talking about showing the shop owners that we are the majority, and if they want to stand up for the Constitution, They are on the right side and they need to make a stand.
	They stand with us.
	Stand with Americans that believe in America and its freedoms.
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	Mike's on.
	She's angry.
	I'm ticked.
	Good!
	I mean, I knew they were going to do it.
	They just kept putting it off week after week after week.
	So I knew it was coming.
	I'm just curious how the shop owners are going to behave.
	I have a feeling there are going to be some that fight back.
	And in fact, I'm encouraged.
	I'm already starting.
	I haven't even started tweeting about it yet, but I've already started to see people who are like, let's organize something.
	I think it's got to be polite because it's not these young kids who are going to be at the front of a restaurant.
	You know, it's not their fault that they're asking it.
	I don't know what the right thing is.
	Is it, you know, is it just not going to places anymore?
	Or is it going?
	No, it's not enough.
	It's not enough.
	I know.
	I think you actually have to go.
	You have to go.
	You have to go take a stand.
	Keep living just like you would.
	Show the business owners, look, it's just wrong.
	Yeah, I think so too.
	And I have a feeling it's going to create all new kinds of black market businesses.
	I mean, so many businesses tried to stay open during the pandemic.
	Oh, can you come in with Rotham Kahn again?
	Yep.
	Thank you.
	How are things around there?
	Yes.
	Sorry, I was just going to say real quick, Jenna's going to arrive like right before the next segment starts, so I'll start it up, leave it on double screen, and then I'll go down and get her.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Sorry, go ahead, Jen.
	No, no problem.
	How's everything there?
	Good.
	I'm going to talk to you about what I did this morning because I want a sanity check from across America.
	And I'm your sane woman in charge.
	You are.
	You're on my West Coast sanity check.
	I am.
	I'm the West Coast sanity check.
	One of the few people in California who can be my sanity check.
	I think I'm the only, it's like population three in sane California.
	Oh dear.
	And we're all set for Friday, John and Eric and Jeff.
	If you can hear me, I'll be at KRLS.
	Well, Jeff is not here and he will not be here either.
	Jeff is just gallivanting off somewhere.
	We have the massive team today, tomorrow, Friday of John Jr.
	and Eric.
	Oh my gosh, you guys, we're gonna have so much fun!
	It's gonna be great!
	Can I just acknowledge by the way, Jen, how sad it is to hear you say, you said, oh some areas of California are still experiencing small bits of freedom.
	Small bits of freedom.
	The story that came out of Orange County, and you know Orange County is a little more conservative, is that their rate of COVID is lower than Los Angeles and they don't have a mask mandate.
	So for all these people that think the masks and the mandates and all this stuff is working, it's not.
	And they have evidence of it.
	So to Ron Johnson's point and to your point, I have no idea what the real story is.
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	This is America First, and here's your host, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	I'm impressed.
	It may be Jeff Bezos, Dr. Evil's little vanity project of his very dodgily shaped space rocket.
	But the fact that next week, James, Timberius Kirk.
	We'll finally be going into space at the age of 90.
	Are you impressed, Jen?
	Bill Shatner's doing it.
	Yes, I am impressed.
	And you know, the word had come out a few weeks ago that he might be thinking about it.
	And so, you know, my dad is great friends with William Shatner, and we got to hang out with them together.
	And what was really interesting is he was supposed to be doing just a little intel.
	I think we can gossip a little, can't we?
	Nobody's saying anything.
	Nobody called TMZ.
	But I guess he was thinking about doing a television or he had a television project to do and he got asked and he didn't know if it was going to be in conflict or not.
	But he said, you know what?
	I'm never going to have another opportunity to do this, to see space.
	And at 90 years old, he is going.
	And God love him.
	He is a guy, Seb, that does not want to slow down.
	He wants to keep doing stuff that challenges him.
	And I'm excited for him.
	When you took me to see him and he rode into that charity event for handicapped children on that horse into that arena, man.
	So cool.
	He was like 88.
	I thought, what?
	How old?
	No, I didn't believe it for a second.
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	OK, I need a sanity check.
	I need, what do the kids say?
	I need to be based.
	Is that not based?
	Oh.
	So I went to an event at the invitation of a good guy with the Republican nominee for the governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia this morning.
	And I said, I'm just going to go there, listen, and I'm going to make my decision because I don't want a rhino.
	OK?
	And he gave a great speech.
	And we're a little worried about Janken, right?
	We're a little worried.
	Well, there are issues.
	There are issues.
	Mark Levin has, you know, come out swinging.
	President Trump said, you're not going to win without embracing the MAGA voters.
	So I went there and I listened.
	He gave a great speech.
	And I've invited him on the show.
	And he's going to make the decision.
	His campaign chairman said they're going to decide whether he can come on the show tomorrow.
	We shall see what we shall see.
	But here's my dilemma for you.
	Yes?
	Is it wrong of me, they talk about tests of ideological purity, and he might be a good guy so let's put Glenn to one side, but is it wrong of me to say I do not want to support any more fake conservatives?
	You know, being told, oh, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.
	Well, hang on a second.
	How many people have we had who facilitated the swamp, who came in as Republicans and then just betrayed us?
	That's why we got President Trump.
	So where do you stand on the, you know, I'm not going to vote for somebody because I need somebody who's a non-politician?
	So it's really funny that you brought this up, because this morning I was brushing my teeth.
	I do that like once a week.
	At least once a week.
	I think we're still allowed to do that in L.A.
	So I was brushing my teeth and I was thinking about this very thing.
	I was thinking about Liz Cheney, actually.
	And I was thinking about, because she's going to be at the Reagan Library, and I thought, oh, the Reagan Library.
	What is she doing?
	I know.
	I know.
	It was a whole thing.
	And I thought, what do we do?
	What is the best step forward?
	Is it worth it to have her reelected rather than a Democrat or is it better to have a Democrat reelected or elected into her position?
	So you're in that same conundrum.
	Yeah.
	And I would tell you I cannot stand fake conservatives.
	I cannot stand people who have not come to the winning MAGA movement because I believe it like you do in my heart and soul that it's the right path forward for this country.
	It is the only path forward for this country.
	From my PR background, and you know messaging and communication, it's kind of big for me.
	It is better for President Trump moving forward, it is better for the MAGA movement, if Youngkin beats out Terry McAuliffe.
	Terry McAuliffe is a Democrat swamp dweller.
	And the press that will come from him losing will be incredibly bad for Joe Biden.
	And if you want to chip away at the people who are in control, I don't know anything.
	I wouldn't endorse Junkin.
	I don't know him.
	It's your state.
	I haven't really gotten into it.
	But I think from a messaging standpoint, Even though he hasn't fully embraced that movement and he is on the fence and I can't stand people who won't commit to something.
	But from the messaging standpoint, it is much more effective for him to beat up.
	That's an interesting piece of analysis and I will only respond thusly.
	I agree with you.
	It would be, I mean, that would be a massive upset.
	You know, Hillary's bag man, you know, the fundraiser for the Clintons is defeated after he's been a governor once before.
	But I'll just add this.
	That frisson, that enjoyable moment, is very transitory.
	It is, but here's the thing, we have to, we have to win, right?
	Yeah, but we also have to ask the question, at what cost?
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	You said it was Festivus, right?
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	So much to discuss.
	Let's start with Supreme Court news.
	They're not going to hear a certain case.
	What is that case?
	And is it a big deal?
	Yeah, well, it's a big deal only if you actually care about following the rule of law and the Constitution, which we all should care about.
	Right.
	And this is a good thing that the Supreme Court is still just saying, sorry, Democrats, no, you can't tear up the Constitution.
	Sorry, you can't just try to force DC into statehood by judicial fiat.
	So the Constitution actually in both Article 1 and Article 4 of the US Constitution prescribes that it's actually Congress that can create states.
	You have to go through Congress, not the judiciary.
	But also this whole thing about challenging for DC statehood on the equal protection basis.
	What people fail to realize, the Democrats in particular, fail to realize is Is that the district was created so that we don't have one state that has so much more power over Congress.
	So you actually have, you who live in DC and can vote in DC, actually have representation of the entire U.S.
	House of Representatives, not just a couple.
	So this whole equal protection argument I think is ridiculous.
	So the Supreme Court just by Very quickly kind of summarily said nope and Gorsuch and Thomas actually said we would even say that we can't hear this as a non-justiciable question so they just said we don't even have jurisdiction over this.
	Meaning because it is the Congress?
	It's the legislative branch.
	So that's fascinating.
	In practice, I have to ask, because, you know, you're the constitutional law expert, when, because this is one of the powers, I mean, the exciting thing is when a case gets to the Supreme Court to be heard, but the other thing is, of course, when they say, sorry, not hearing it.
	When that happens, what is the half-life of that decision?
	How long is it, you know, 10 years from now, 10 months from now, can somebody say, well, we're back?
	Or when the Supreme Court says, no, When can this issue return or is it like forever just in the dustbin?
	Well, you know, if you're Gavin Newsom and you've been smacked down by the Supreme Court five times in less than a year, you know, I mean, sometimes Democrats are still stupid enough to continue to challenge things.
	So there's no rule where people say, well, you've got to wait five years to be polite.
	No, no.
	And of course, you know, the Supreme Court, as Amy Coney Barrett very wisely said in her confirmation hearings, they don't enterprise their own cases.
	It's not like you as a justice go out and you look for what you want to rule on.
	They have to wait until people appeal things to them.
	Then they can decide if they want to hear it.
	And so sometimes they'll say, no, we're not going to hear a particular case because they don't like The fact pattern, or they think that it's not really a great case to take up, but then they'll take one on the same issue, just a different fact from a different state, or something because they want to comment on that particular case.
	But the practical reality of the Supreme Court is they get so many different appeals, and they can choose, and so only about 1% of cases annually that are appealed are heard, and they can decide whether or not to hear them.
	All right, let's talk about the other big news.
	Wendy Rogers, Arizona, senator, state senator, with I think how many other, 90 other politicians, demanded decertification.
	Talk to us about this idea of decertification vise reinstatement.
	We said reinstatement, not a goer.
	What is the significance of this phrase and how realistic is it?
	Well, it's realistic as long as Republicans have the political backbone and the political will to actually do something about it.
	So while reinstatement was a political theory that was kind of, in my view, outside the margins of the US Constitution, decertification is important because it is a legislative recognition.
	Through the actual constitutionally appointed entity to recognize and say, for the record, the certifications that happened in the swing states, including Arizona, were false.
	They were based on information and facts that were that we have said throughout since November 3rd.
	Is not the accurate reflection of what the voters actually indicated.
	So what happens then, say Arizona decides, okay, there's enough abnormalities, tens of thousands of votes that are potentially fraudulent.
	If they decertify, does that not then require, if there's a requisite number of decertifications, for a re-meeting of the Electoral College?
	Well, so that's one thing that can, in my opinion, should happen.
	If you get at least three states to decertify and basically Joe Biden falls below the 270 threshold, then we are in the constitutional crisis of Congress having to say, hey, listen, we now are in the position that the installed president didn't actually reach the threshold.
	So what should happen is it should go then to the U.S.
	House of Representatives like it would have pre-January 6th.
	They vote by state delegation.
	And they have the opportunity in Article 2, rather, Section 1.6, Congress can, in this instance, vote by House delegation and call for a new election.
	That's what should happen.
	And that's why decertification is the first step to remedying this election.
	And the interesting thing is that House delegations are still majority Republican.
	And again, if Republicans would just have the political will to say, we're in a constitutional crisis, we have to address this.
	And I saw President Trump last week, by the way, and we had a great conversation about this.
	He's doing well.
	He's fighting for this.
	He's called you a few times recently.
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	Who would be getting the House delegates or delegations to come back in?
	Well, I mean, it would be Congress initially, not so much the delegations, but the state legislatures then.
	So let's walk it through.
	So let's say four states decertify, he drops under the threshold.
	Okay, who presses what button and where?
	Well, so then it would be incumbent upon not only should the state legislatures then petition Congress, but it would have to be initiated in Congress to say we... But who?
	But one of the U.S.
	House of Representatives.
	Because it has to be the House of Representatives that vote by delegation.
	They would have to trigger.
	Yeah.
	One rep has to say, hang on.
	Hey, by the way, we're going to do this.
	And so there's not really like a triggering mechanism in that sense.
	But Article 2, Section 1.6 allows for Congress in the instance of removal, impeachment, whatever, to basically then say just like they would initiate legislation or a resolution for impeachment, they would do that in the same manner. to basically then say just like they would initiate legislation Yeah, but this time it's state delegations.
	But this time they would say.
	Party delegations.
	Right.
	So then this time they would say, OK, we are initiating then, you know, basically papers that are saying that start in the House saying here is he's dropped below the 270 margin.
	And so we have to vote by state delegation.
	And that would have to likely have a majority vote.
	But it's never been done before.
	But you know what?
	So many presidential elections throughout American history have been instances of very interesting things happen.
	All right.
	Take care of it.
	Ten seconds in car.
	Yes.
	We're not that far off of crazy history.
	Thank you.
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	Full disclosure, I am a member of her National Election Integrity Alliance.
	Jenna, we had Jennifer Horn on about the California mandate now.
	Now, you have to show a vaccination papers to go into any business in L.A.
	City.
	We had Ron Johnson, Senator Johnson, open the second hour talking about his fight against the mandates.
	What is your advice as a practicing lawyer and somebody who understands the Constitution backwards?
	How do we begin to fight this?
	Do we have to organize?
	Because the average person can't bring a lawsuit.
	Against vaccination mandates.
	So what is the smartest way for us to resist?
	Well, we have to first stand up and simply resist.
	I mean, don't have the, well, this is just becoming so cumbersome that, fine, I'm going to comply.
	That's what they want everyone to do.
	And if you have a valid exemption or you just don't want to take the vaccine for whatever reason, that's between you and your doctor, don't do it.
	Don't let them pressure you.
	But there are some great organizations that I'm a part of.
	I am special counsel with the Thomas More Society.
	I'm an allied attorney with the Alliance Defending Freedom.
	They, as national nonprofit organizations, always are challenging religious liberty cases, First Amendment cases.
	You know, this, in my view, comes under a First Amendment analysis, and it can under many ways.
	And I think that the court is going to, the Supreme Court is ultimately going to have to hear some of these challenges.
	How long is that going to take?
	It depends on how quickly it can go up.
	So the Thomas More Society is actually challenging the vaccine mandate in New York City right now and that's already working its way through and I think that probably that may get to the Supreme Court in a matter of weeks just on a temporary injunction sort of a contest.
	And so it can go very quickly just in a temporary nature but I think that the court is going to ultimately have to deal with this question.
	And everyone from the Democrat side saying that the Jacobson case, Jacobson versus Massachusetts, and I think it was like 1905, that contemplated a vaccine mandate for smallpox from the state.
	That was a state-level mandate.
	It was not federal.
	Totally different.
	And that case specifically did not contemplate whether the vaccine mandate itself was constitutionally permissible, but rather only the penalty, and it was a very nominal $5 fine that a pastor had to take.
	So there's no precedent on this whatsoever.
	Okay, so you heard her, thomasmoresociety.org, Alliance Defending Freedom.
	Reach out to them.
	AllianceADFlegal.org.
	We've got to resist.
	We've got to get it all the way to the Supreme Court.
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	The End
	The End Why is the President, when he chooses to- Do you know, hold on, before, because you just brought that up, I literally stand at this podium and opened a briefing a couple days ago about the President expecting his condolences.
	I literally opened the briefing about it.
	So for you to sit there and say, I know, so why are you asking why he didn't do it when I literally stood here and did it?
	I don't understand what you're asking.
	The President doesn't have time to tweet about everything.
	He's tweeting about this.
	He's not tweeting about something else.
	I came out here and actually spoke about it and said the President spoke... You're equating me addressing the nation here in a tweet?
	I mean, that's the silliest thing I've ever heard.
	Did he tweet too much or not enough?
	That's the question.
	We've got a guy who's going to answer it right here.
	Incredible.
	So excited to have him one-on-one in studio.
	Former colleague of mine, served this nation in uniform, out of uniform.
	He's still doing it.
	Sean Spicer.
	Thanks for inviting me into the lair.
	If you haven't been in this studio, and I know that the listeners see part of this if they watch it online, but this is impressive.
	You get a window into Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	You mean all the junk my wife is very happy isn't at home?
	I think your wife and mine share that because I'm just jealous that you have more space.
	I get like a shelf.
	Get those challenge coins out of the house, stalker!
	That's the message I got from my boss and I did it and that's why all my fun stuff is here.
	Just a little modicum on the shelf behind me but then the green room it's full of it.
	We haven't done a video of that.
	John, we've got to We've got an uninterrupted, almost an hour to talk to you.
	First things first, for those, I don't know, who just landed from Beetlejuice, who don't know who Sean Spicer is, who've been hiding in a cave, Rip Van Winkle just woken up.
	For those who may not be familiar with your backstory, tell us, where did the spices hail from?
	How did you get into politics?
	How did you get into the Navy?
	How did you get into the White House?
	Just in eight minutes.
	Yeah, and then I got walked out.
	So I grew up in Rhode Island.
	My father sold boats for a living.
	What kind of boats?
	Big expensive ones.
	Sailboats.
	So, really nice yachts.
	Racing, yeah.
	I mean, everything, they were basically, for the most part, 30 foot plus, went from, you know, cruising to luxurious, but not crazy expensive.
	I mean, nothing was bigger than a 40 footer, but they still weren't cheap from our perspective.
	Is that Navy?
	Why Navy?
	Is that the sailing thing?
	No, I mean, well, I think we grew up in Rhode Island.
	My father had been there two sides.
	My mother had been there two sides.
	You grow up on the ocean state, you better learn how to sail.
	And so that was his livelihood.
	He'd grown up on the water.
	That was my sort of upbringing.
	Politically, were they active, your parents?
	Pardon?
	Politically, did they?
	Oh, no.
	No, no, no.
	They were active in the PTA and in civic stuff.
	But honest to God, I know they voted, but it was never a political discussion.
	Rhode Island tends to be a fairly democratic state.
	We did elect Republicans, but it just was never a political discussion.
	My father would always rail against the stupid jerks that changed this and passed that law.
	But it wasn't party-specific.
	So the long and short of it is, I went off to school to sail competitively, but one of my high school teachers had known that money had always been an issue for us.
	I mean, when you sell boats for a living, and I write about this in my first book, when you pass the luxury tax, which is what Congress and the President had done in the early 90s, And when you tax the rich, guess who pays the price?
	The guys who work for the rich!
	People like my dad who told me that poor people don't buy expensive boats.
	So, we had some tough years.
	And, you know, one of my teachers who I had gotten close to as a mentor knew that that was trouble.
	I mean, we had some decent years, but we had some tough years.
	When people don't buy boats, you don't do that well.
	It was the late 80s and he said to me, when you go to college, here's my suggestion, study Japanese language, get a minor in economics and you'll write your own ticket and you'll never have to worry about money again.
	Because what?
	Because this is like the 80s?
	This is when Japan was on the ascent.
	And so I went off to Connecticut College, had a very robust East Asian studies program.
	I enrolled in intensive Japanese language.
	I took it for a year.
	The things I'm learning!
	Yeah, there you go.
	About a song on my own show.
	Yeah.
	Japanese.
	Okay.
	So I woke up and I would do an hour and a half of class really early for college students anyway.
	It was like 8 to 9, 8 to 9.30.
	And then you would have like an hour and a half, two hours in the language lab.
	The bottom line is I hated it.
	I literally hated it.
	It was... What about it?
	College or the language thing or what?
	Everything.
	It was just not... I was doing it as a means to an end.
	Right.
	And so... But then I also was really bad at it.
	And so, you know, my dean was very clear that, like, if you want to do the translation, a D in Japanese is a D in English, and you might want to find a new major.
	So I'd taken a government class, and I was like, wait a second, like, I found, I literally had this sort of intellectual awakening, where I was like, I found myself not agreeing with the professor about the role of government and why you would do stuff.
	Because the professor was a leftist?
	Yeah, which is no shock at most leftist colleges and higher institutions.
	So I started to get involved.
	I volunteered.
	I volunteered on my first campaign in 1992.
	I volunteered in the Connecticut State Legislature as an intern.
	So I loved it and so that's basically how I got involved in politics.
	My first race, 1994, when Republicans won the House, we were one of the top races in Connecticut's 2nd District.
	We lost by two votes on election night and after a six-month recount, 21 in the books, I still think that was ridiculous.
	I thought we won the race, but we lost by two.
	We were outspent magnificently.
	I think we spent a total of $200,000 up against a 14-year incumbent.
	It was insane.
	Towns in the district.
	We were, we literally were the definition of a grassroots campaign.
	I drove around listening to Newt Gingrich's go-back tapes, Rush Limbaugh.
	I mean, but it was, it was a learning experience like no other.
	And I got bit by the campaign bug.
	And then I, I like to tell people I became like a minor league baseball player.
	I would go from campaign to campaign, wherever the next game was, and I could get paid a little bit more.
	My first campaign, I got paid a thousand dollars a month, take out taxes, add for gas.
	I mean, I was... Was that a tough life?
	It was, but like you're around- Was it fun?
	It was fun!
	You're around like-minded people.
	You cared about the cause.
	You were invested in getting somebody elected because you believed in them and what they were fighting for.
	And so, you know, you were all eating ramen noodles together.
	And I'm being serious.
	Like, you know, we would scrounge wherever we could get free food or whatever because take $1,000 a month minus taxes, call it $700, pay for gas.
	I was able to stay in the sort of an extra room of a campaign supporter.
	But at the end of the day, it wasn't about the money.
	I just kept getting the next one and the next one would be $2,000 a month and then $2,500.
	So I managed my first campaign in 1996 in Western Pennsylvania.
	The guy ended up dropping out midway through the primary but it sort of had given my career a kickstart.
	And the rest is history.
	I literally worked for I think 10 different members of Congress.
	In 2000, I was brought down to Florida to help Clay Shaw.
	He was a 20-year incumbent.
	He was down big time, headed into the final stretch.
	And we pulled that thing out.
	386 vote win.
	Again, went to a recount, three counties, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade, Broward counties, which if you think about 2000, we matched up, so we were going.
	But it was that exhilarating thrill of going out and taking an entity, in this case a candidate or a policy or whatever, and saying, okay, how do we win this?
	How do we win this marketing war, if you will?
	And anyway, so that's that.
	And then, you know, c'est la vie.
	I joined the Navy, as you asked about, when I was 29 years old.
	I got commissioned very late.
	What made you do that?
	We had a family history.
	My great-grandfather was a Medal of Honor recipient.
	He had served in the Navy.
	You grew up in Rhode Island.
	You see it a lot.
	And I'd always wanted to serve.
	And I wanted something bigger than me.
	We didn't have fraternities at my college.
	But I always felt like in politics, You're fighting for your side, right?
	Which is great.
	You're involved in the process, but you're not serving the country in the same way.
	Again, I think it is service because you're fighting for the values and the policies that the country will live under.
	So I think there is a degree of service in that.
	But I wanted a higher calling.
	And the thing about the Navy was there was something about knowing that you were part of something bigger than yourself or a party.
	So I joined at 29 years old.
	I finished my 22nd year in the Navy last week.
	And, you know, I think I'm probably on the tail end of that career.
	Well, we have something to discuss when it comes to... Yeah, I think I know.
	Certain... Right.
	Board visiting... Is that the phrase?
	Board of Visitors, yeah.
	Board of Visitors at Annapolis at the Naval Academy.
	We shall discuss.
	I'm still, by the way, White House, I'm still in my position as a presidential appointee on the National Security Education Board.
	Oh, you better be careful.
	Bring it.
	Just bring it, Sleepy Creepy, because we're going to have as much fun, if not more, that Sean's having with you right now.
	This is one-on-one with Sean Spicer.
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	He's got a new book!
	It's called Radical Nation.
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	Pre-order it now and you'll get it the day it comes out in a week or so.
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	It's Radical Nation, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's dangerous plan for America.
	OK, so let's finish the story.
	How you got this fascinating career transitioning from Asia studies, Japanese into politics, running campaigns.
	How do you end up in the White House working for the 45th president?
	So I was mobilized in the Navy from 2008 to 2011.
	I got off active duty in Basically, January 2011, I went on terminal leave, and so I was looking for the next professional move.
	My wife and I want to start a family.
	We didn't really think politics anymore was the right, you know, the most stable and conducive to raise kids, and so I was looking for some corporate stuff, and a mentor of mine said, there's this new chairman of the RNC, Ryan Sprivis.
	He had just been elected.
	You guys should talk.
	We met.
	We hit it off.
	My wife was like, look, this is probably what you want.
	Go into the national parties sort of like the major leagues.
	And she understood how important that was and said, okay, it's a two-year gig, go for it.
	Well, we finished the first two years and we really wanted to change the party and make some huge changes in how we did business, meaning we wanted to shift away from all ads, get more into a data-specific model where we helped candidates up and down the ballot, reform the primary system, reform the debate processing system, so we stuck around for two more years.
	That made it four.
	We did very well in the midterms.
	And then, you know, not Sticking around for a presidential is sort of like walking out before the Super Bowl.
	And so again, I said, look, my wife is literally like, oh my God, it's now going to five, six years.
	So we did it.
	And, you know, I led the debate process in 2016 and got to know all the candidates.
	What does that mean, to lead the debate process?
	In the past, up until 2016, both parties, Had no say in their debate process.
	None.
	So if you saw a debate between Republican candidates or Democratic candidates, they had nothing.
	In 2012, when Reince and I were at the RNC, when we went to debate, we had to ask ABC News, CNN, could we please have two tickets, sir?
	We'd like to attend the debate.
	And they'd be like, for your party's debate, we had nothing.
	And I said, this is wrong.
	How did it get to that point?
	It has never changed because news media organizations would announce a debate and then everyone would go.
	And I started saying to myself, why are these left-wing hosts dictating our schedule and the questions?
	So we made some reforms.
	One, we limited the schedule.
	Two, we made them geographically, because candidates, the two most important things for a candidate are their time and their money.
	And so if they knew where the schedule was, okay, the first one's in New Hampshire at this date, and the second one is they can plan accordingly, they're not wasting, because what was happening in 2012, ABC had announced a debate on like a Friday, no, a Saturday night in New Hampshire, and then NBC had it on a Sunday in New Hampshire, and so they were like, you know, I'm going, what are you debating?
	Right.
	I thought that this made sense for the party.
	I led that effort.
	I am a firm believer that the party is like a league.
	You don't choose among your teams.
	You just want a good season.
	You want the best team to emerge as the champion.
	So, not everyone agreed with me on that.
	But because of that, I got to know all the candidates and their teams.
	And Trump became the frontrunner.
	I dealt a lot more with him and his campaign about his issues with the debate, the format.
	Why?
	Because he was more media savvy?
	Yeah, well, because he had never also done it before.
	So he was, he'd be, okay, why am I here?
	How do we figure this out?
	Why can't I do that?
	And so we would, some of it was, and then some of it were demands.
	I'm going to do this.
	You better figure that out.
	So I got to know him and his team, and then when he won the Indiana primary, we had faced off, as I think every candidate does, where you kind of sit down with the nominee.
	The difference is Trump didn't have this big, robust, bureaucratic, to some extent, campaign apparatus.
	It was him, a Twitter account, and a handful of loyal people.
	So when we first met and we were kind of trading what we had, I was like, OK, I have like 75 people that work for me in D.C.
	and another 200 in the field.
	And their comp team was like four people.
	And it was just it was because he drove it.
	And so we synced up in a way that had never happened.
	I always tell people if Mitt Romney had won in 2012, I would have been like the deputy undersecretary for communications at HUD, which I'm sure is a very good job.
	But that's what happens.
	The RNC or the DNC are the JV teams.
	You get the jersey, you get to go to the pizza party, but you're not starting.
	So did you connect through that process?
	Did you personally connect with the man?
	Is that why?
	Yeah.
	And so when he became the nominee, It was actually a call in August.
	So Steve Bannon and Kellyanne called me one night.
	They're both on the phone and they said, hey, tomorrow it's going to be announced that we're taking over and we need you.
	Taking over the campaign?
	Yep.
	And so we negotiated a deal where I would spend most of my time in New York working with the campaign.
	What was your official position then?
	I mean, I still was the chief strategist for the party.
	Okay, but but what we did is but he was not the candidate and so he was the candidate so I basically moved up to New York And worked out of Trump Tower.
	And so look, on December 22nd, he had won obviously on November.
	And then he calls me on December 22nd and says, okay, let's do this.
	Put out the release.
	And I was like, that was it.
	And I think to be honest and straight with people, I'd love to say that we had like a thousand people in the resume process and he was interviewing people.
	But I think there was a very limited number of people that had earned his trust, that had experience and wanted the job.
	And so that was it.
	And then C'est la vie, it all went from there.
	We'll talk about what happened inside the building.
	The book is Radical Nation.
	It follows Leading America and The Briefing, but the new book is Radical Nation.
	Sean, give us your take on what happened in 2016.
	Our former colleague, friend of mine, Mike Flynn, called it a peaceful revolution.
	I find it amusing as an immigrant that, you know, I like to remind my fellow Americans, it's the first time in the Republic's history that we elected as president a man who wasn't a politician and wasn't a retired general.
	From Washington to Obama, every single president was a senator, congressman, governor, or retired general like Eisenhower in Washington.
	Something big happened in 2016.
	What does 2016 represent to you politically?
	Not, you know, individuals, but, you know, in framework.
	No, I think it's the first time that the American people felt like they had their voice heard in a way that it hadn't.
	What Trump got, and still gets to today, frankly, is an understanding of what people feel government isn't doing for them, and how these policies affect them.
	And, you know, Seb, the one thing that was fascinating that I always tell people is that For the last three years of the Bush administration, I was the assistant U.S.
	trade rep for the Bush administration for public affairs, meaning I was just the spokesperson.
	And forever we would hear why we couldn't do things.
	We couldn't renegotiate NAFTA because, well, it was signed and sealed and we couldn't do that.
	And I get it.
	But that was the mentality.
	Frankly, that's the mentality that permeates government.
	And I get it.
	And so I was always like, OK, I get it.
	This is stupid, but we do have a signed deal.
	And you've got a guy like Trump that comes in and you tell him, well, you know, there's a signed deal.
	And he says, so what?
	It was one of the most refreshing things about it.
	And it was just, the thing that was so weird is if you think about it, why aren't more, because I don't think you should tear up everything for the sake of it.
	No, but just ask the questions.
	Right, ask the questions.
	Why do we just keep doing things the way that we always have?
	Why don't we challenge the system?
	Can it do better?
	Can we do a better, do better for the American people?
	Can we be more efficient and a better steward of their tax dollars?
	Can we deliver a better product?
	Do we still need to do what we're doing anymore?
	Right?
	I mean, think about this.
	Trump's view was, you haven't modernized an agreement.
	When NAFTA was signed, there was no internet.
	So we're dealing with problems that didn't exist then, that frankly, when you signed the deal, you couldn't have even thought of.
	So why not modernize it?
	On behalf of America, that's what we're supposed to be doing.
	And at the end of the day, it all worked out.
	If you are in the car industry, you're getting a better deal now as an American worker in that industry.
	If you're a dairy farmer, you're getting a better deal.
	If you work in the technology field, your IP is more protected.
	But it was a way of thinking that had never come in before.
	Because previously, you would have had some guy that would have been like, okay, here's 18 PowerPoints and this is the process.
	And Trump was like, no, if it's not working, screw it.
	I didn't come up with this phrase, but I love it.
	Somebody said, there are no sacred cows for President Trump.
	And if you come into the room and he says, so why are we doing it this way?
	And you dare to say, Well, because that's how we've been doing it for 20 years.
	You were in big trouble.
	The book is Radical Nation.
	We're going to discuss it momentarily.
	But first things first, Sean, tell us about your time in the White House.
	What kind of a ride that was for you.
	We played this clip at the beginning, this insanity.
	Why didn't you mention this?
	You mean the thing I talked about two days ago at length from this point?
	But he didn't tweet about it.
	I mean, just the sheer insanity.
	Talk to us about what that was like to live through.
	And then give us your take on what went wrong in the Trump administration.
	Right, what went wrong?
	So, I mean, look, it was tumultuous, it was intense.
	I think that, look, this goes back to what we were just talking about.
	Trump upset the apple cart.
	And every president, both parties that come in, need three groups, right?
	You need the press, you need donors, and you need sort of the permanent K Street lobbyist types.
	Trump's view was, if you want to join me, great, but I don't need you.
	And what happened was... Because he won without them.
	Yes!
	But here's the thing, I'll say it in a very PG way, but they're used to having their butt kissed.
	And they're used to people saying, I'd love to have you come over to my house in Georgetown for a dinner party where we can do the ins and outs of the NATO, you know, it's like, they want you to, you know, and he was like, look, I'm doing this, I'm doing it this way.
	If you want to join me, join me.
	If you want to join me, great, but I don't need you.
	And it pissed them off.
	Yeah.
	This is especially the conservatives now who thought that they were, you know, the bell crystals of the world.
	What do you mean you're not coming to me for a briefing?
	How dare you?
	How dare you?
	I'm part of the institution.
	Right.
	I come with the drapes, you know, and I think that that was upset and especially for the press corps.
	And that was their thing is that they were like, you're supposed to do this.
	You're supposed to act this way.
	And again, my my sort of So, to be honest, and I'm not sure I'm the good measure of this, because if I'd had your job, I would have been a flamethrower in there.
	I would have derided them all.
	Any lessons learned for you from the podium?
	Oh, God, yeah.
	Would you have done it the same way?
	No.
	What would you have done differently?
	Look, I want to just back this up for a second.
	I live my life every day.
	Personally and professionally reflecting on what I've done.
	Did I do... I mean, it could be an interaction with you where I go, gosh, why didn't I say hello, you know, earlier today, that guy that I just walked by?
	Yeah, I noted it.
	It was noted.
	Yeah, thank you.
	But I think that that's how you become a better person.
	Professionally and personally.
	Reflection.
	So I look back and I saw a clip like that and I go, okay, they were trying to get my ire up.
	They were trying to get my iris going.
	And there are days when I was like, you know what I should have done?
	Just laughed at them.
	Like, you know what we talked about.
	So there's a couple moments like that.
	There's some things that I wish I'd said or done differently, of course.
	But generally speaking, I think it was fun to be part of a historic moment in time where we did break norms.
	We did do things differently.
	We didn't have to abide by the tradition of everything.
	And Trump allowed us to break glass.
	I mean, some days I broke glass and it shattered everywhere and he'd hold us accountable.
	People ask me all the time, he is a tough guy to work for, but he holds you accountable.
	And to your point earlier, you better not come at him with like, well, because we used to do it.
	But it's intense, it's tumultuous, but it's also exciting and rewarding.
	Okay, and what went wrong?
	What is the biggest take-home for the four years and how much of the loss last year was really down to COVID and 80 million mail-out ballots?
	So I think what went wrong in the White House, simply put, is Trump was a newcomer to politics, right?
	You think about, you mentioned all these people, governors and military leaders, whatever, they come with a trove of supporters, loyalists, whatever, and, you know, lobbyists or whatever, donors.
	Trump didn't have that.
	So he comes in and he's like, you know, pulling a guy like me, and then Gary Cohn for National Economic Advisor, Steven Mnuchin for Secretary of Treasury, Dan Scavino had been with him to run social media.
	I mean, okay, all talented individuals, But, you know, it's like a baseball team.
	You all get thrown on the field.
	You've never played together.
	You're kind of like, OK, who's got what position?
	And so there's some growing pains, number one.
	Number two, there's some people that should have never been there.
	Three, there are some disloyal people that should have never been there.
	And who are actively disloyal.
	Yes.
	And so I think that when you're walking into an environment like that, and your focus should be forward, and yet you've got to constantly be checking your six, you're going, that makes it difficult.
	I think that one of the biggest lessons learned for Trump Or they just didn't care about the agenda.
	that I think he would start with a better team, that he knew, got his agenda, understood what was at stake.
	Too many people in that administration didn't understand that it was Trump's agenda, not theirs.
	And I just.
	Or they just didn't care about the agenda.
	Right.
	Sure.
	Fair enough.
	Utterly.
	Yeah, couldn't kill it.
	So that was the thing is there were too many times where during my tenure, I'd pick up the phone and be like, guys, what don't you get?
	He said X, give him X. Don't do like H and J. And that was too often they'd be like, well, what we're going to sell him on is like, no, no, no, he's 74.
	He's been in business.
	I mean, like he knows what he wants.
	You're not here to be sold.
	And you're not going to change him.
	I remember, I mean, you were the press guy, but I remember being asked numerous times, you know, on camera.
	So what would you say to the president about this tweet or that tweet?
	I'm not going to tell him anything.
	After 14 years of the most successful reality TV show, you're not telling a 74-year-old how to communicate differently.
	Sean can maybe do that differently, but he's not going to.
	That was my response always.
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	Now, we've been trying to plan this for weeks, if not months.
	We've got you in studio fabulously for the release of your book, Imminently.
	You can pre-order it right now.
	Everybody needs to read it.
	Radical Nation, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris's dangerous plan for America.
	Everybody has to read it.
	But give them a little bit of snippet as to why you wrote it.
	Right.
	So there's two things that are important to understand.
	The people and the policies.
	If you read this book, I learned a lot writing it.
	I didn't realize.
	You always do.
	No, no, but I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
	This is what Kamala Harris really did?
	This, I mean, I was going, I was.
	This is what they believe?
	There's one chapter in there called Biden Anchorages about his family, his brothers.
	I mean, there's, I thought the grifting just went to like a one brother and Hunter.
	No, no, no.
	It extends well beyond that.
	But when you look at the people and the policies, you will get it, right?
	You understand what they're doing.
	Joe Biden said the other day, last Friday at a press conference, if we pass my $1.2 trillion and my $3.5 trillion, we will fundamentally change the structure and nature of the economy.
	That's what's at stake.
	I write about this in the book.
	The reason they support D.C.
	statehood, immigration policies that allow people to flow over our border, and the way that they want to pack the court is because they are in pursuit of the most progressive policies and most progressive presidency ever.
	And you need to know that.
	And the one thing that the book gives you is ammo to fight back.
	When you understand what the argument they're making is and how to deconstruct it, whether it's Thanksgiving, Christmas, Hanukkah, Columbus Day, when you have that crazy uncle or aunt that's going at you and talking about tweets and this and that, you will be able to say, really?
	Because here's what's at stake in the country, here's who's leading our government, here's who the policies are they're pursuing, and why they're bad for America.
	His predecessor's boss, President Obama, used that phrase before the inauguration, we are about to fundamentally transform America.
	He really didn't.
	I mean, even Obamacare didn't make that much of a huge political change to America.
	But your argument is this.
	This is now.
	Unequivocally.
	I mean, you can't argue with what they're doing.
	Now, here's the problem.
	If you make D.C.
	a state, you add two Democratic senators, if you pack the court, if you add millions of new voters over our southern border, and make no mistake about it, that is their plan.
	That's the objective.
	It's staring at us.
	You can't undo it.
	You brought up Obama.
	Obamacare.
	How long has it been?
	Eight, nine, ten years now.
	We can't undo it.
	Once in the federal government, always in the federal government.
	When they do this, They are trying to institutionalize progressivism forever and it cannot be undone.
	If we don't stop it now, it will never be able to be undone.
	I hate to be that doom and gloom, but part of the point of the book is to say, you need to understand what's at stake.
	There's a chapter in there, chapter 20, the last one in there, it's a call to arms.
	And it says, look, If you want to be informed, if you want to join organizations, if you're a parent that is concerned about your kid's education, the wokeness, the critical race theory, here are the organizations, here are the means, here are the groups that can protect you, help you, inform you.
	Okay, so to that end, if these are the stakes, if this is the last Attempt to not only fundamentally change America, but to lock it in so that nobody can change it with whatever it is, lowering the voting age, getting rid of the electoral college, the Supreme Court being packed and so forth.
	I have to ask you, you know, something that we've discussed privately that you said you're going to make an announcement about this year.
	When are we, as patriots, as people who call themselves conservatives, you don't have to say, I'm a member of the GOP or Republican, but when is our side going to stop playing by their rules and wanting, as you said, the invitation to the dinner party in Georgetown?
	But that's it.
	So here's the problem.
	And I get it.
	I figure I'm almost a recovering person.
	Because I get it.
	You come to D.C.
	And you want to fit in.
	You want to fit in.
	I get it.
	And I've been there, right?
	And you think somehow, if I just do a little bit more, they'll like me and they'll accept me.
	And they never do.
	I want to go to the dinners.
	I want to do this.
	And you realize fundamentally, they will tolerate you, but they will never accept you.
	Well, I'll tolerate you as long as you have utility.
	Correct!
	As long as you have utility.
	And sometimes they maintain the utility because maybe I'll need you in a year or two, so it's not like they're going to fully dismiss you.
	But at the end of the day, these folks do not like me.
	They probably don't like you, but I don't want to say that.
	That is a statement of fact.
	Um, but they want to go to their dinner parties and talk about, you know, how they can, because they want to play in between a set of guard rules.
	And it's like, okay, well, if we elect a Republican, you can only go this far to the right.
	And we'll say, and then we'll all still go to each other's parties and talk about how great we are.
	But there's no guardrails anymore for them.
	No!
	So on the left, the establishment wants to be inside the guardrails, but the left doesn't.
	So, when are we going to get serious?
	Well, we're going to get serious when we start holding these guys accountable.
	Here's the deal, at the end of the day, why is any Republican going to the White House Correspondents' Center?
	Why?
	Why?
	Because you want to sit down and rub elbows with, I get it, Bradley Cooper's really handsome and he's in a movie and you hope that you get a picture with him.
	I get it.
	That's going to look awesome on Instagram.
	But he still thinks you're nuts.
	Right.
	He doesn't like you.
	Okay.
	And I get it.
	It's really cool to have that picture.
	You'll probably get a couple of likes on Instagram.
	But at the end of the day, we can either keep, like, we're complicit in this.
	We as a party and as a movement in some ways, not everybody, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of guys that I think say screw it, I don't care.
	Not enough.
	Not enough.
	But here's the thing, we don't hold them accountable.
	And I think that that's what we need to do is start saying great, you want to go do that, that's great, it's a free country.
	I think we have a right, we shouldn't Do what they do.
	Like, if you want to go do it, but then don't say that you're on the team anymore, right?
	Because you can't keep playing with them.
	And I'm tired of all these people that weasel out and go think, if I just go hang out on The View, if I go do all these things, they'll like me and I'll be okay.
	They won't like you, and all you're doing is giving them credibility.
	Because every time you show up on Chris Cuomo's show right now, you are undermining the fact that this is a guy who, A, kept his brother in office, and B, has serious allegations against himself.
	So when Republicans go on them and give him credibility, they're hurting the cause.
	So what do we do?
	What is it going to take?
	Because there's only one Donald Trump.
	Doesn't there have to be a group rejection?
	There does, and I think that we start – it's like a name and shame.
	I think people have got to be willing to understand that there's consequences.
	And again, I don't – some people might say, great, I don't – that's who I am and I – that's fine.
	But I think that if we don't start all agreeing That we're going to form an alliance.
	That we're not going to do certain things.
	That there is a home on the other side.
	Why don't we have our own little dinners?
	There's no reason... For some reason we get guilted into this.
	The press has a right to the First Amendment.
	They can have as many dinners as they want.
	I don't really care.
	But we also have a right of freedom of speech and a freedom of assembly.
	So why are we going to justify them?
	Why do we sit there in the audience, allow them to clap while they make fun of Donald Trump, us, Sarah Huckabee Sanders insulting her.
	So you heard it here for the first time live.
	We're breaking news.
	The new White House dinner will be at Sean's house this Saturday.
	I'll bring the dessert.
	Be there.
	No, seriously, we got to start something.
	Okay, let's Let's move on to how you made news recently.
	Put into context, I want your take.
	You are still a commander in the U.S.
	Navy.
	You've served this nation in and out of uniform.
	You're on the Board of Visitors for the Naval Academy in Annapolis.
	But you were told, resign by midnight or you will be fired, which Republicans have never done at this level.
	I'm on my presidential appointment for another Pentagon board that's to do with national security education.
	Tell us what that act by Biden and his minions means in general, and what it should mean to conservatives.
	Right.
	So this is important.
	So just to give your listeners a step back.
	So in 2019 Donald Trump appointed me to the Board of Visitors of the U.S.
	Naval Academy.
	Three year term.
	It would have been up in four months from now.
	So ironically that that's a big deal.
	So we get this email from the White House as you mentioned.
	It's like two weeks ago.
	It says on a Wednesday morning you H.R.
	McMaster, Lieutenant General Guy Swann, General Jack Keane, former Vice Chief of the Army, Megan Mumps, who's a captain, West Point grad, Afghanistan vet.
	You all need to resign from the military boards.
	The Naval Academy, West Point Air Force.
	But yeah, or you'll be terminated.
	I said no.
	I'm not resigning because these boards are so, but just for sake of contrast, I was also a commissioner on the White House commission on White House fellows.
	Biden administration asked for my resignation for that in January.
	I said, yes, that's a presidential board.
	The president has a right.
	Those are his boards to advise him.
	I gave my resignation.
	Right, that's an administration's functioning board.
	Correct, so it's the President's Commission on... Right, working for the President.
	Right, so that's it.
	You are Annapolis.
	It's a statutory board, Congress passed a law... Which is meant to be bipartisan.
	Bipartisan, and it's also, so you have three people from the President, or four people the President appoints, four people the Vice President, four people the Speaker of the House, and I think four people from the Senate Majority Leader.
	So the idea, and it's codified in law, it says members will serve three years, resign or die, da da da.
	The president doesn't have the right to come in and do that.
	They just did it.
	So stop there.
	What does this mean about them?
	So that's a good point, right?
	So it's never happened in history.
	One, just take it at their word.
	This is a president who on inauguration day said, I want to be a president for everyone.
	I want to unite.
	So here I am, four months to go, and he's telling me I'm going to kick you off the board.
	Which, by the way, Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, when asked why, said it was because of our qualifications.
	Okay, you can argue about my 22 years and graduate degrees at the U.S.
	Naval War College, but how do you justify the lieutenant generals and generals?
	No one in the press corps followed up and asked about, which is interesting.
	Let's just stop here for a sec, just a little tidbit.
	I'm no fan of H.R.
	McMaster for reasons I've discussed on the radio show, but H.R.
	McMaster got the same letter you got to leave the West Point board to resign By the Friday night before this Saturday when he was going to be awarded the highest honor West Point can get, correct?
	Yes, he's taught there by the way.
	He was a professor there, a graduate there, and he received the highest award that alumni can get at West Point.
	The day after, which by the way was 9-11.
	Yeah, and again, no one seems to care about that.
	So anyway... So what did you do?
	So we filed a lawsuit, myself and Russ Vogt, who's a former director of Office and Budget under President Trump, basically saying you don't have the authority to do this, right?
	And the problem is, is that everyone sits back and says, oh, well, you know, he has a right to this.
	No!
	It's never happened before.
	Number one.
	Number two, traditionally, look, if these guys want to do this, they're going to fight it out in court.
	I'll be interested to see what they say, because If they want to believe that the executive is unitary and that they have all this power, that's going to come back to bite them, number one.
	Number two... Because the next Republican president... Correct.
	He's going to go in and fire all of them.
	And I think that that is... Look, Donald Trump didn't fire any of the Obama folks.
	So... So here's the question.
	Should he have?
	Yes!
	Looking back, no, not on this board, on the other one, sure.
	But here's the thing, knowing what we know now, I asked him that actually on my show the other day, I said, knowing what you know now, because here's the thing, this gets back to what you just asked me, Seb.
	We keep, if we get back into power in the House, I asked Kevin McCarthy this on the show the other day, grassroots voters and activists want to know that we're going to do something with that majority.
	Are we going to kick Eric Swalwell off the Intelligence Committee?
	Are we going to fight for things?
	Right?
	Because we keep doing this, oh we're going to reset the tone and we're going to show that we can get, stop!
	They're never going to do this and we've got to stop kidding ourselves and fight the same way they do.
	We don't rehearse any of this.
	My guys didn't send you any questions or talking points, and I might regret asking this question.
	But, you know, everybody who's listened to me for a few years knows I'm not giving up, ever, you know?
	I'd rather die in a pile of spent shell casings than give up.
	Is any of what you said possible?
	I mean, I look at this city, and I look at the establishment Republican Party, And the next two minutes we could write the list of the people who have the balls you're talking about, and some of them are women, and there's only about 15 of them that are figures.
	So this idea that we're actually going to be serious, hold them accountable, and keep our promises to America.
	Is it going to happen, Sean Spicer?
	But I'm with you.
	That's why I'm asking these guys.
	Because when they come on the show, I just go, look, here's the deal.
	Will you pledge today to do the following if you take?
	Because we need them on the record, and then we need to hold their feet to the fire.
	Because at the end of the day, power for the sake of it isn't worth it.
	If we're not going to do... And frankly, Trump has shown us if you're willing to fight, then things can happen.
	If you're going to sit back and roll over, right?
	I mean, why are we... Look, I got to say this.
	I applaud what Mitch McConnell's doing on the debt limit.
	Make these guys work.
	You know, someone said they would give me an analogy.
	You mean make them sweat?
	Not just make them sweat, but they want to spend five trillion dollars that we don't have on our future, which is basically kissing off at least two generations.
	And so instead of rolling over, he's like, no, I'm going to stand in your way.
	Fight!
	And you've got to give McConnell credit.
	He's out there fighting for this and saying, you're not going to do it with my support or any of my members.
	And I give the Republican conference and the Senate credit because they've not always been as strong as they are today, but every single one of them, from Susan Collins to Josh Hawley, is standing firm with Mitch McConnell, preventing this travesty from occurring.
	I don't want to get into, you know, minutiae here, but on the flip side, this is not a man who had the president's back.
	Sure.
	But to your point is that, I get it.
	But at the end of the day, I will say this, he's a master tactician of the Senate.
	And right now you saw Chuck Schumer's out there trying to, I mean, so I get it.
	There are things if we want to replay history that he could have and should have done.
	But I'm not talking about that.
	I'm not talking about, you know, the spilt milk factor.
	I'm talking about the fact that And this is the big question I want to ask you, Sean.
	Where do you stand on the future?
	And not about President Trump or the Trump phenomena, but the concept of America first, which every party should agree on.
	That America's interests should be first.
	The interests of Americans in America should be first.
	Where does that movement stand today?
	Are you optimistic?
	And can it survive with people who may be great tacticians behind the scenes in the Senate, but who at the end of the day Maybe into the power a little bit more than they should be.
	So first, America First shouldn't even be controversial.
	Yes!
	If you are running for office and you're not thinking the number one goal is to make America stronger, better, more prosperous, then you're in the wrong business.
	Right?
	So that shouldn't be it.
	Frankly, the sad thing is that we have to ask.
	Secondly, and that's what I think was so great about Trump, is that he showed us that if you're willing to do it, Then you can be successful.
	And then I think the second part of your question is we need to hold people accountable on the policy piece.
	Who's the we?
	We hold them accountable.
	The we is me, which is I have a show every night at 6.
	I'm going to ask the questions.
	I know you sure as hell do.
	But I think we've got to start telling our guys that at some point winning for the sake of winning I've always, I'm a party guy, love the party, I want more people with R's on their name, but doing it for the sake of doing it, I'm conflicted sometimes because right now you see, one vote made the difference in the Senate, right?
	We wouldn't, I mean, I am literally praying every night for Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin because if that falls through, I don't know what happens to this country.
	That's the point of the book.
	We literally will have a radicalized progressive nation that we can't come back from.
	So on that hand, we need to protect bad things from happening.
	On the other hand, like you're saying, we need to start implementing policies like I was talking about in trade.
	We need to have a mentality that says, why not put America first?
	Why not, I mean, why are our veterans not getting the best care?
	Why are we not, why are we skimping on certain things?
	Why are we saying that companies, I mean look, I think we all know what works, but for a lot of reasons we don't do the right thing.
	For example, the Republican conference yesterday cut the Chamber of Commerce out.
	We're going to talk about it on Spicer and Company for the next few days.
	But the reality is that Republicans are slowly getting that we are not the party of big corporations, we are the party of little workers.
	Not anymore.
	We are the party of the working men and women that are out there saying, hey, I just want to play by the rules.
	I want to take care of my family.
	I want you to make sure you don't get in my way.
	Right.
	But we have been so focused on making sure big companies and I get it.
	I don't I'm not anti-corporation.
	I love core.
	I'm a capitalist.
	But at the end of the day, it can't be to America's detriment.
	Right.
	And you've got to make sure that you're protecting the working men and women.
	All right, guys.
	Get it now.
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	Thank you for your service in uniform.
	Thank you at the podium.
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	We need more Sean Spicers.
	Keep your head in a swivel.
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