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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Fauci funded Wuhan lab

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	The American Airlines Emergency Line.
	Please state your emergency.
	Hey, this is Knitted American Airlines calling.
	I am monitoring a call in which flight 11, the flight attendant is advising our reps that the pilot, everyone's been stabbed.
	Nobody move.
	Everything will be okay.
	If you try to make any move, you'll injure yourself and the airplane.
	Just stay quiet.
	Nobody move, please.
	We are going back to the airport.
	Don't try to make any stupid noise.
	Hey, can you look out your window right now?
	Yeah.
	Can you see a guy at about 4,000 feet, about 5 east of your airport right now?
	Looks like he's... Yeah, I see him.
	You see a guy?
	Look, is he descending from the building also?
	He's descending really quick, too, yeah.
	Well, that's... 2,500 feet now.
	He just dropped 800 feet in, like, one sweep.
	That's another situation.
	What kind of airplane is that?
	Can you guys tell?
	I don't know.
	I'll read it out in a minute.
	Another one just hit the building.
	Wow.
	Another one just hit it hard.
	Another one just hit the roadside.
	United 1523, did you hear your company, did you hear some interference on the frequency a couple of minutes ago, screaming?
	Yes I did, 797, and we couldn't tell what it was either.
	I also want to give you a heads up, Washington.
	Go ahead.
	United 93, have you got information on that yet?
	Yeah, he's down.
	He's down?
	of Washington. - Go ahead. - United 93, have you got information on that yet?
	- Yeah, he's down.
	- He's down?
	- Yes.
	- When did he land?
	Hard to believe.
	- It did not land. - Probably down? - Yeah, somewhere up northeast of Camp David. - The camp that was by the White House mounted at Pentagon, I don't know where the hell they're getting married until I said, "Washington has no clue when I called Washington about it.
	They didn't know what the hell was going on." - Hard to credit it.
	Hard to believe.
	This weekend, we'll see the 20th anniversary, a generation since those events.
	That's the air traffic control audio of the 9-11 attacks on that bright, cloudless, beautiful Tuesday morning, 20 years ago.
	There's less than 20 Arab Muslim extremists
	We've decided to unleash jihad against innocent Americans, men, women, and children, civilians here in the United States, workers in the Twin Towers, the employees inside the Pentagon in DC, and of course, those brave, brave passengers on Flight 93, led by one man who said, let's roll.
	It's not happening.
	We will sacrifice ourselves to stop this plane, the last plane, from flying into the Capitol building in DC.
	No, the White House was not the target.
	It was the Capitol building.
	And those Americans, the essence of what it means to be an American, was what they did.
	With nothing.
	With fire extinguishers, their bare hands.
	They took that plane down into that field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, sacrificing themselves and killing those terrorists so others might live, potentially saving the lives of thousands of people here in the nation's capital.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First on the Salem Radio Network coming to you from the nation's capital and all this week we will be remembering not just on Saturday when this show doesn't air on the anniversary but every single day because of the enormity of that event 20 years ago and also because of the events of the last three weeks.
	Just the shocking reality that Al-Qaeda, in English, the base for the propagation of a holy war against the Jews and Crusaders.
	Yes, that's the full name.
	Nobody ever uses it, especially the mainstream media, because, oh, you can't say that.
	You can't say the jihadis see themselves in a holy war against Jews and Crusaders.
	Bin Laden was living in Afghanistan 20 years ago.
	He was there with the express blessing, with the protection, with the recognition of the then Taliban, preparing for Recruiting.
	Planning the mission that KSM, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who will be going on trial this week.
	Yes, he's been in custody for 17 years.
	What on earth?
	The US government is a joke.
	An utter, complete joke.
	You've had him in custody since 2003, since he was picked up in Pakistan.
	And he's been sitting at Gitmo, Guantanamo Bay, at the cost of $12 million per year.
	Yes, that's what it costs per prisoner in Gitmo.
	$12 million per satanic, evil scumbag.
	And September the 11th was planned out of Afghanistan.
	3,000 people murdered in the space of 102 minutes.
	In a country that was truly perfect to establish terror training bases, to house a mastermind, a land of Muslim fundamentalists that never functioned as a nation, not even during the monarchy that ruled it for a few years in the 1970s.
	No.
	A nation whose genetic warrior bloody-mindedness Saw Alexander the Great defeated.
	Saw the British Empire at its height defeated.
	Saw the Soviet Union, which deployed helicopter gunships against civilians.
	Landmines disguised as plastic toys to maim the children of that benighted nation.
	None of them could defeat the Afghan tribes.
	And our elite, after deploying the best of the best, special operators, special forces, CIA paramilitaries, in the October, the month after September the 11th, in an amazing mission, the quintessence of irregular warfare, unconventional warfare, with just 300 guys literally on donkeyback,
	With laptops and laser-guided munitions, leveraging 21,000 of the indigenous anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, took down the Taliban, destroyed the Al-Qaeda training camps, and forced Bin Laden to run and hide in likewise fundamentalist Pakistan.
	After that amazing mission in October, what happened?
	20 years of mindless mission creep.
	20 years of cretins who'd been to Harvard and Yale convincing us, and themselves, because they believed it as well, that we're going to create democracy in South Asia!
	The girls will go to school!
	Music will be legal again!
	And there'll be hospitals across Afghanistan and civil society and gender studies at the university in Kabul.
	Cretins, imbeciles, all of them.
	From Bush to Obama.
	From Petraeus to McChrystal.
	Idiots!
	All of them.
	But that's not as bad as what happened in the last two weeks.
	Instead of maintaining a corrupt government that would allow us to keep a small footprint of 2,500 operators in-country, to whack bad guys when necessary, to make sure another 9-11 didn't happen again, after we spent $60 million a day for 20 years,
	Biden pulled the plug, it all collapsed, and now the Taliban is the best armed jihadi movement in the history of modern warfare.
	And for the anniversary of 9-11, we should do one thing.
	Prepare for the next one.
	And make sure that a real leader is back in the White House.
	Mic's on.
	I was saying a story from John.
	Gawker, former strategist to President Trump, and this is America First.
	Wow.
	Mic's on?
	I was saying a story from John.
	Mm-hmm.
	Wow.
	Okay, good.
	All right, let me know when we have him on Skype. - Yeah.
	Uh, yeah.
	Oh.
	Get ready.
	I'll go ahead and- Is that a Billy-o?
	Yeah.
	I can't believe you control yourself.
	All right.
	Copy, paste.
	OK, dialing him now.
	Skype chat.
	Do we, do you have that audio, this game?
	Um, not yet.
	Okay.
	Just tell me, just text me when you got it.
	Hello John, can you hear us?
	I can, how are you?
	Doing good.
	Our mics are live on Rumble as usual and we have your picture.
	All right, so I've got some breaking news.
	It just happened like five seconds ago.
	Yes.
	Uh, an Afghan refugee.
	Oh, the one with the explosives?
	Yeah.
	Okay, good.
	We'll open with that.
	Are you guys hearing this echo?
	No.
	John, keep talking.
	Yeah, I'm hearing it a little bit.
	Um, that's interesting.
	Can you zoom in on me and do a white balance again?
	All right.
	Hold it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	No, it's still... Something's different today.
	It looks... Not sure.
	Yeah, the white balance isn't solving whatever the... It's not doing anything.
	Oh, how's that?
	Oh, that's it.
	Okay.
	Alright, then give me a bit of headroom.
	Okay.
	What else is important, John, that you've covered?
	Uh, you know, I think the story I did yesterday about black unemployment can be really valuable.
	You know, the president who says he'll leave nobody home is leaving blacks behind in his COVID recovery.
	Can we dial him back because now it's skipping?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, let's dial you back, Joe.
	Stand by.
	Rumble viewers say they are hearing the echo as well.
	Okay.
	So it's definitely something happening on the video end.
	We've got job creators here as well.
	If you want.
	Mm-hmm.
	John, can you hear us again?
	Loud and clear.
	Still echoing like crazy over on this end.
	Yeah, I have a feedback loop.
	Is that an issue with our feeds, guys?
	I don't know, John.
	It can't be us, because we don't have any way in your system.
	What about now?
	Hang on, talk a little bit more.
	Check, check, check, check, check.
	Now it's good.
	Okay.
	Yeah, now it's good.
	Okay, good.
	All right, one minute, John.
	Standby.
	Sounds good.
	Thanks, guys.
	No problem.
	Thank you.
	I think she looks good.
	I'm coming in with American financing disclaimer.
	Copy that.
	Oh, can we talk about Maddow and the Ivermectin thing?
	Sure, I'm not as familiar with that.
	I mean, I saw a little bit about it, but not as much.
	Okay.
	But I can work around it.
	Alright.
	I know about what happened in Rolling Stone.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Perfect.
	We'll do Rolling Stone.
	Good.
	Alright, 20 seconds.
	Standby.
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	It's Tuesday.
	Doesn't it feel like a Monday?
	Of course it does.
	I hope you had a blessed long weekend.
	There are reports, confirmed reports, that members of the United States Terror Watch List Are already in the Taliban administration, in the new government.
	But it's not just over there that we have problems.
	Literally breaking news in the last two minutes from justthenews.com.
	We have its founder and editor-in-chief, John Solomon.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Good to be with you on a busy Tuesday.
	On a crazy busy Tuesday.
	So much more to discuss.
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	So talk to us about the latest news, breaking news with regards to the refugee streams and the US base in Germany in Ramstein.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So just a few hours ago, Secretary of State Antony Blinken acknowledged that the State Department did not vet evacuees, Afghan refugees, before they brought them to U.S.
	bases around the world, and in some cases already to the United States.
	He said they were doing the vetting on them, I'm not making this up, on the back end, meaning after the fact.
	Well, the consequence of that has become clear already.
	Today, around midday German time, an Afghan refugee tried to board a U.S.-bound flight.
	He was cleared by the United States to come here.
	And in his luggage, a German military officer who was assisting with The Americans at the base found a suspicious item in the man's carry-on luggage.
	It was five blasting caps, an igniter, an explosive pipe, and what's known as Defcord.
	And he was pulled from the line before he got on the flight, and he is now on a red list.
	Now, U.S.
	officials are telling me that this man is not suspected of being a terrorist, He was a contractor for the U.S.
	military and had these things probably in relationship to his work and forgot they were in his bag.
	But the idea that he walked into Ramstein Air Base with this, because he got this in Afghanistan, brought it in, shows you just how weak the vetting may be in some of these places.
	And if it weren't for an alert German military officer assisting the Americans, he might have made it on the flight.
	Hopefully he didn't have ill will.
	He's still on a red flag list now.
	He will not be coming to the United States until more investigation is done.
	So let's just apply some common sense here, John.
	You've been an investigative journalist for decades, worked at all the prestigious legacy institutions.
	Now you've created your own media empire.
	Guys, you've got to bookmark justthenews.com.
	Check it out every day.
	Follow John at J. Solomon Reports.
	Have you ever, whether you were starting a new startup or your new amazing venture, did you ever check out, did you ever hire somebody and then check them out on the back end?
	No, that's not called due diligence.
	That's called negligence.
	And this administration has shown negligence all throughout the process.
	First, not starting the process earlier.
	We knew we were getting out in August.
	This part should have been done in April and May.
	Second, the way we exited, giving up the air base in Bagram, leaving us in an insecure commercial airport in Kabul under the Taliban control.
	And now, as we're getting Afghans out, getting the wrong people out or getting people who weren't yet vetted out While many of the people we know assisted the United States are left behind, including some Americans, there is nothing about this that smacks of a way a private company would have approached this.
	Or, quite frankly, any other prior administration.
	Right.
	And the fact that this is potentially the biggest hostage situation in American history, a disastrous collapse of a nation we've invested more than two trillion dollars in, 22,000 Americans killed or wounded.
	Nobody's resigned.
	Nobody's been fired.
	One person just before the show said there are noises from inside the administration that somebody is prepared to give their resignation imminently.
	What are you hearing, John?
	Any noises at justthenews.com from you?
	Yeah, I keep an eye on General Milley, right?
	He's the top military officer in the land.
	The military did not perform well, including allowing 13 members to be killed in an insecure way.
	But we don't have any confirmation yet.
	But this lack of accountability, we've been talking about this for five years, since 2016, whether it's the FBI or other places, the people who gave a false story about Lafayette Square.
	There is no accountability in government, in politics, or the media when we get things wrong.
	And that's why these mistakes keep happening.
	No one's punished, so no one has fear of making another bad blunder.
	Yeah, and the figures speak for themselves.
	Plummeting ratings for Biden, even amongst Democrat voters.
	We have a record 10 million jobs open right now.
	You have another story at justthenews.com.
	Who's been hit the worst?
	What's the reality?
	And is there going to be consequences for that as well?
	Yeah, listen, when the jobless numbers came out late last week, everyone was focused on the fact that it missed the job creation number by a big margin, like more than 100% off.
	But inside the numbers, when you dig in, there is a very worrisome sign.
	While the overall unemployment rate came down in August, black unemployment rate went up six-tenths of a point.
	That is a massive increase, a 7% increase in one month.
	Why is that important?
	Remember what Joe Biden said all through the campaign.
	I'm the president that won't leave anybody behind.
	Well, under Donald Trump, African Americans saw record employment.
	They saw a record drop in poverty.
	They were enjoying a very good situation until the pandemic.
	In the pandemic recovery that Joe Biden is overseeing, African Americans are falling further behind.
	He, once again, is not living up to his word.
	Look at the difference in just eight months.
	Under the last administration, lowest unemployment figures since record-keeping began for Hispanics and for black Americans.
	This time around, just eight months in, and we have a shocking, shocking figure.
	Not only a 500,000 Delta discrepancy in expected employment figures and the actual employment figures, But also black Americans hurting the most.
	We're talking to John Solomon, justthenews.com, following the Jay Solomon reports.
	We're going to talk about another story in the next segment.
	Still, it has to do with journalistic integrity or the lack thereof.
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	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First, broadcasting to you live from the reliefactor.com studios just outside the insalubrious fetid swamp that is Washington, D.C.
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	All right, Greg, we'll talk Ivermectin and Rolling Stone.
	Rolling Stone was Duke Lacrosse as well.
	Not Duke Lacrosse, I think it was UVA, wasn't it?
	Let's have a look.
	Check me on that.
	I think it's UVA, the sex case that wasn't.
	Rolling Stone.
	Oh, The Mattress Girl?
	Was that UVA?
	The Lacrosse one was UVA.
	But which one was Rolling Stone?
	Rolling Stone was UVA, too.
	Yeah, that's what I remember.
	Yes, it was UVA, correct.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Some things don't change.
	Yeah.
	The land of no consequences.
	There's no consequence.
	There's no reason to change.
	I think you guys are on the right thing with this accountability thing.
	Like something else that showed up for when I looked at Rolex, they did like a hit piece on Rogan because, you know, Rogan took it.
	I know.
	I know.
	We've got the audio, right?
	Can you play that audio cut 10, please, John?
	Hi, baby.
	Do I have to sue CNN?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Do you?
	They're making sh**.
	They keep saying I'm taking horse dewormer.
	I literally got it from a doctor.
	It's an American company.
	They won the Nobel Prize in 2015 for use in human beings.
	And CNN is saying I'm taking horse dewormer.
	They must know that's a lie.
	There's a lot of people saying it.
	Right, but a lot of people can say it.
	The internet says it, who cares?
	But CNN is saying it.
	Jim Acosta!
	That's good.
	All right.
	Will you come in with that?
	That's great.
	Oh, then add cut 13, John, when you get it.
	Oh, OK.
	It's 13 football.
	Can I hear that?
	All right.
	Give me two seconds to pull it up.
	And can I get some titles in the meantime?
	Yes.
	- Yeah, 1A. - Something about like how they're all idiots or something like that? - Biden and the 9/11 legacy.
	And Mike?
	Mike... It's too good.
	The making of a new Marxist revolution?
	No, no.
	Why BLM is worse than Antifa.
	Got it.
	Can you give me a line one?
	Mike's on or off?
	On.
	Mike's on.
	Hi, who's this?
	Hello, who's this?
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	What's your question?
	Yes, sir.
	I just wanted to ask you, I've been, first of all, thank you for what you do for a living.
	I mean, you and I listened to Dan Bongino.
	You guys are like the ultimate truth speakers to this nation and it does more than you could possibly imagine.
	So I wanted to say thank you first off.
	Um, Second of all, I've heard you say the American experiment a few times, and I want you to put me back in my place if I'm speaking this wrong here, but... I've served my country for six years in the Army, and I've seen behind the curtains on a lot of political stuff.
	I've been all over the place in this world for the U.S.
	military, but... You know, with the elections happening and the fraud that's happened, like, a lot of us feel that our voices have been taken away, if that makes sense.
	OK, what's your question?
	What's your question?
	My question to you, sir, is how do you see this country rising back up again?
	I see Dan Bongino has even said things like, you know, the great American awakening is happening.
	But what I see is a lot of separation, like... OK, OK.
	Stay tuned, Nick.
	Stay tuned.
	All right.
	All right.
	Do you want me to drop?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Cut 10.
	you.
	Do I have to sue CNN?
	I don't know, do you?
	They're making sh**!
	They keep saying I'm taking horse dewormer.
	I literally got it from a doctor.
	It's an American company.
	They won the Nobel Prize in 2015 for use in human beings.
	And CNN is saying I'm taking horse dewormer.
	They must know that's a lie.
	There's a lot of people saying it.
	Right, but a lot of people can say it.
	The internet says it, who cares?
	But CNN is saying it.
	Jim Acosta!
	Abilio Acosta is saying it!
	That is of course Joe Rogan asking the question and my oh my he has the money to do it.
	Does he need to sue CNN because they're saying he's taking horse dewormer because he's taking ivermectin.
	I took my ivermectin today prophylactically.
	Why?
	Because it works but it's not just CNN.
	Rolling Stone is in big trouble.
	They had to amend, instead of retract, the story that went wild this weekend.
	In Oklahoma, a doctor said the emergency ward has no beds in it because of ivermectin overdoses.
	The hospital had to issue a statement.
	That doctor doesn't work for us.
	Nobody's overdosed with ivermectin and the ER is just fine.
	Let's talk to John Solomon who knows about real journalism.
	I recall another story from the Rolling Stones that likewise was fabricated to do with rape.
	Were there any consequences for that story, UVA?
	They made, they generated falsehoods?
	Well, clearly not enough, because Rolling Stone still hasn't learned the first lesson of journalism, which is get it first, but first get it right.
	And they, if you remember back, I believe it was in 2015, 2016 timeframe, they had a cover story called A Rape on UVA Campus.
	It later was fully retracted after the police said the woman and her account could not be corroborated.
	In fact, Many of the evidence debunked or conflicted with her account.
	Rolling Stone didn't do due diligence then, and it's pretty clear they didn't do due diligence here.
	How simple is this?
	You can simply call the hospital and find out, does that doctor really work for you?
	That would have been a good starting point.
	You could call the hospital and see if they're overwhelmed and they have a lot of ivermectin Patience.
	They didn't have that.
	This journalism continues to go on and on, and it's because no one in journalism pays a consequence.
	The New York Times still hasn't retracted a February 2017 story that we know is categorically false about the Russia collusion case.
	They haven't retracted it.
	The old guard of the media isn't doing what it's supposed to do, which is retract false stories.
	It's not just the old gun.
	I'll play the cut later because our time with you is too valuable.
	The local TV channel Oklahoma News 4 did a whole segment on it and then when the story is posted by the likes of Rolling Stone and others, they use a photograph purportedly, John, of the people standing in line outside the ER wearing winter overcoats and woolly hat.
	The heat index in Oklahoma It was 104.
	It was 104 at the weekend.
	So what does that mean, John?
	It means they're literally making propaganda.
	They are taking photographs from the winter of another hospital, splicing it into the story.
	John, that's not malfeasance.
	That is the definition of propaganda, is it not?
	It is.
	Listen, the entire profession is really lacking in the scruples and the values that we all got.
	It's great to be first, right?
	It's more important to be right.
	And right now, we live in a profession that gets things first and hopes it's right.
	Rather than know it's right.
	And that's why we've had so many examples of the media getting really egregious things wrong.
	And we can go through all the Trump presidency.
	The Lafayette Park Square story, right?
	The original accounts about Ukraine and the phone call.
	All of those things were wrong and those reporters are still fully employed.
	If you don't punish reporters, if you don't create consequences, bad journalism will only snowball.
	I have to ask you, I only have 60 seconds left with John Solomon, the creator of justthenews.com.
	You work for the AP, correct?
	I did for 20 years.
	So this is from Jeff, he just found it, just sent this to me.
	The AP ran a story that 70%, 70% of the calls to the Mississippi, the Mississippi State Poison Control Center were for Ivermectin.
	70%.
	They've just had to publish a retraction to say it wasn't 70, it was 2%.
	John, are you shocked?
	No, listen, I called out my old employer in a column about a week or two ago.
	They have been notoriously wrong over the last four or five years.
	They're more worried about celebrity than they are about accuracy, and that's what troubles me about my old employer.
	I love working there.
	In the days when I worked there, people who made those mistakes would be unemployed.
	Nowadays they probably get a promotion.
	In the meantime, listen to some real news, follow this man, read his articles and his colleagues at jsolomonreports on twitter and justthenews.com.
	Thank you, John, and thank you for breaking that news here on America First.
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	He's off the line for Skype.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Can you... Sorry about that intro.
	I was hopping around on a couple different things over here.
	Oh.
	You want the FTO button thing?
	Can you get... Can you find the video version of Cut 10 Jeff and get Casio to post it?
	Yeah.
	And have him put in...
	Looks like Joe Rogan wants to sue Jim Acosta and CNN.
	Do you want to hear the Joe Biden cut?
	Yeah.
	- Okay.
	Okay.
	Too good.
	Alright.
	Okay.
	Oh, handy card on Fox News.
	I bought his house.
	Seriously?
	Yeah, the first hot house we bought in America turned out to be Andy Cart's.
	It had all the stuff wired in for the Secret Service.
	Wow.
	That famous photograph.
	Him and Bush in the classroom.
	Right.
	Anybody want a Netflix documentary they did about it?
	I almost did.
	I just started it.
	That was on AOC's video when she did that whole video.
	Like, war is terrible guys.
	The first two are actually really good.
	And then?
	Three and four hammers Bush and gets into Reagan and all this.
	It's just...
	Reagan.
	Oh, yeah.
	That was on AOC's video when she did that whole video.
	Like, war is terrible, guys.
	All the commenters are saying Reagan started this.
	They're doing that with the documentaries now to get you in.
	They make them normal and then...
	Yep.
	Even the little things.
	Again, like going back to that one documentary you recommended to me, Jeff, New York City versus the mafia.
	Yeah.
	And they randomly throw in...
	Oh, Trump was funded by them all, by the way.
	It has nothing to do with it.
	Yeah, exactly.
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	This is a fun one.
	We'll talk about what YouTube did to Mr. G's New America First channel a little bit later.
	But I had a good weekend.
	Did a bit of social media after a weekend away.
	I did a post about a great new rifle from Springfield.
	The image you saw was me with my Mustang and then I talked about the rifle.
	And guess what happened?
	I didn't believe it when I first saw it, when I saw the comments.
	My Instagram post, and Instagram is, you know, Facebook.
	My Instagram post about a rifle with my Mustang and me had slapped on it a COVID misinformation warning.
	I didn't mention COVID.
	It wasn't about COVID.
	I didn't talk about masks or vaccines.
	I was talking about a very cool rifle next to my 66 Mustang.
	I guess I... What am I?
	Covid-related?
	Just me, Sebastian Gorka?
	How afraid are you, Mark Zuckerberg?
	Just how afraid are you?
	Looks like Mark Zuckerberg may have Joe Rogan after him as well.
	Well, we'll see.
	We'll see.
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	McElyea saying patients are packing southeastern Oklahoma emergency rooms.
	Taking ivermectin doses meant for a full-sized horse, believing false claims it could fight COVID-19.
	The ERs are so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting to facilities where they could get definitive care and be treated.
	Something McElyea says is now backing up small town ambulance systems too.
	All of their ambulances are stuck at the hospital waiting for a bed to open so that they can take the patient in.
	And they don't have any, that's it.
	But if there's no ambulance to come to the call, there's no ambulance to come to the call.
	McElyea says many of his patients aren't even afraid of ivermectin, using it on their livestock.
	Now, they're going to their local ag stores, ignoring the warning signs and figuring out a dosage themselves.
	So some people taking inappropriate dosages have actually put themselves in worse conditions than if they had caught COVID.
	Suffering nausea, vomiting, muscle aches, cramping, and that's only in minor cases.
	The scariest one that I've heard of and seen is people coming in with vision loss.
	Even the manufacturers saying there's no scientific or meaningful evidence that ivermectin is effective against the virus.
	But many store shelves still empty.
	You have to ask yourself, if I take this medicine, what am I going to do if something bad happens?
	What's your next step?
	What's your backup plan?
	That's Caitlin Ogle reporting.
	The doctor says if you're going to take a medicine this powerful, talk to your doctor about the dosage instead of researching on the internet.
	Oklahoma News 4.
	Now, to do a whole segment takes what?
	Multiple producers, a line editor, reporters, researchers.
	At least not one word of that was true.
	None of it.
	The hospital has to issue a statement to say that doctor doesn't work for us.
	We have no, zero overdoses from ivermectin, and nobody is waiting to be seen in the ER.
	All a lie.
	But then Rolling Stone writes an article about it.
	And then Rachel Maddow, blue anon par excellence, she needs to dye herself her hair blue.
	She reposts a tweet, strengthens the story.
	That is the depth of the propaganda.
	Let's go to your call, Sylvia in California, line two.
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	Sylvia, what's your question?
	I wanted to find out what is your view on how come COVID hasn't taken out the town?
	We know they're not social distancing.
	We know they're not getting tested.
	We know they're not wearing masks.
	Why has the COVID-19 not taken out the Taliban?
	It's a very good question.
	It's the same reason why, oh I don't know, the people who were at Gavin Newsom's $500 a plate dinner at the French Laundry in California, why they haven't come down with COVID-19.
	Or why Obama wasn't afraid to have 700 people, not socially distanced, not wearing masks, come to his 60th birthday party.
	Who are the science deniers?
	Maybe the Democrats?
	Maybe former Democrat presidents, Democrat governors of California?
	Maybe they share the same disregard for science as the Taliban do.
	So, Sylvia, that's the best I can do.
	But don't be a science denier if you're listening to this show and you know somebody who's putting masks on their children.
	Just ask them one simple question.
	What's the mortality rate for children with COVID?
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	That is... Hi, baby.
	Baby, you have to listen to me carefully.
	I'm on a plane that's been hijacked.
	I'm on the plane.
	I'm calling from the plane.
	I want to tell you I love you.
	Please tell my children that I love them very much.
	And I'm so sorry, babe.
	I hope to be able to see your face again, baby.
	I love you.
	I love you.
	It's like...
	Alright.
	Uh, title for Solomon.
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	Afghan refugee found with explosive devices.
	Yep. Five seconds.
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	Our producer, Mr. G, decided that he was going to create a YouTube channel so people who are still up on YouTube could use it to see our interviews.
	And what did we find out today, Mr. G?
	What happened to our brand new YouTube channel?
	The entire channel has been removed.
	And did they warn you?
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	Um, no warnings, no strikes.
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	Um, they just sent an email.
	They said the channel has been removed for... I forget what the term was, but something.
	So, does that mean that YouTube and Google are afraid of you, Jeff?
	They must be really afraid.
	I don't know what it is.
	I know they're big into the AP, because they always say they have a problem if you violate something that the AP says.
	I mean, the AP was so good with the 70%, 2%.
	Yeah, they only got it wrong by 68%.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So what are you going to do about it?
	Is it worth asking them why you were deleted, Jeff?
	Absolutely.
	Just to see what they say.
	Yeah, we're going to have some fun with them.
	This is the most amazing thing, guys.
	For those who don't live in the swamp and don't know how this operates, these massive companies that have more power than nations, I mean, truly, when you have the video platform, you have the search engine, When you have the social media platform, that's more informational power than any nation has.
	When you do this to individuals, it's because they're afraid of you.
	Why are you afraid?
	What are you afraid of, YouTube?
	Why is Spotify having to deal with its employees trying to censor Joe Rogan?
	He's been doing what he's been doing for 10 years.
	You just paid, what, $200 million for his back catalogue?
	Why did you pay for it?
	If you don't like what he says.
	Or didn't you realise just how popular...
	New media has become, because legacy media, as we've seen today, from the Rolling Stone, to AP, to CNN, are lying.
	Not about the small things, about big things, like cheap drugs that save lives.
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	Conrad, greetings.
	Greetings, Sebastian.
	I've just been reading about you.
	Oh dear.
	What's the source?
	That's the first question.
	I was looking at Real Queer Politics and you were referred to in one of the pieces as having had a A strenuous debate with somebody rather successfully.
	I do miss real debate because nowadays, you really can't debate people you disagree with.
	It's not a debate.
	Well, I mean, I haven't been exposed to this, but I've seen a lot of it.
	The answer is, well, you're either you're a conspiracy theorist or a racist or both.
	Yes.
	I mean, that isn't debate.
	That's just name calling.
	Exactly.
	That's what it devolves into from the get-go.
	All right.
	Love your new article.
	Going to talk about that.
	I have a historic question to open and we are live in 30 seconds.
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	Will you come in with audio cut 12 after the, you know, a bit of music?
	Oh, the, uh, the... Flight attendant.
	Flight attendant?
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	Baby, you have to listen to me carefully.
	I'm on a plane that's been hijacked.
	I'm on the plane.
	I'm calling from the plane.
	I want to tell you I love you.
	Please tell my children that I love them very much.
	And I'm so sorry, babe.
	I hope to be able to see your face again, baby.
	I love you.
	Bye!
	We will be paying tribute all through the week given the fact that it is the 20th anniversary of 9-11 to the events of that grim, grim tragic day.
	One of the flight attendants leaving a voicemail for her husband about hoping to see her face, his face again and with a message for their children.
	Never ever forget.
	It is Tuesday.
	It is time to connect with one of your favorite regulars here on America First.
	Author of A President Like No Other, Donald J. Trump and the Restoring of America.
	Financier, former media mogul, presidential historian, Lord Conrad Black.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks very much, Sebastian.
	Conrad, since we won't speak on the anniversary occurring on Saturday, what for you is the most important thing for us to remember, given that this will mark a generation since the events of September the 11th?
	Well, it was a new form of warfare.
	The United States, following the advice given by President Roosevelt in his State of the Union message in 1941, has been a deterrent to power.
	He said, we must always resist the temptations of appeasement.
	And his war message after Pearl Harbor, 11 months later, Same year, 1941, he said, we must make certain this form of treachery never again endangers us.
	And what you had with this attack on September 11 was the hostile elements of the world discovering, as they thought, a foolproof method of circumventing the fact that the United States has followed Roosevelt's plan, it possesses great deterrent strength, and is not an appeasement power.
	that they would attack it in a way that couldn't be directly attached to any other country.
	So it was a new kind of work there.
	And I think it must be said that in general, it's been combated very well by President George W. Bush and his successors.
	I mean, there have been problems here and there, but in general, the fears that we all had at that time, 20 years ago, that there would be an endless series of these attacks all over the place, has not happened.
	There have been attacks, of course, terrible attacks, shocking attacks, but relatively few and generally becoming fewer and less deadly.
	And so it was the onset of a new era with the challenges of a new era.
	And frankly, it must be said, a far more despicable and unreasonable enemy than we'd faced before.
	I mean, horrible, though the Nazis were.
	They were attached to an important and formidable country.
	And in the end, they surrendered in a traditional way.
	Here, we're not dealing with anything even as wholesome as the Nazis.
	And they were an utterly evil regime.
	One of your prior works is titled Flight of the Eagle, the grand strategies that brought America from colonial dependence to world leadership.
	In that survey, Have you found the happy medium between isolationism, which has been a movement in American politics, to interventionism that has also been another trend in our foreign policy?
	Right now, this is the real challenge for this administration.
	We saw under Obama the Biden's predecessor, the precipitous withdrawal from Iraq that assisted in the rise of ISIS.
	Now we see the surrender in Afghanistan with Taliban 2.0 with $83 billion of our weapons.
	When is the world the safest?
	Where is the balance point for American action in the world?
	Well, as I said in that book that you kindly mentioned, the key to this unprecedented rise of America in two long lifetimes, from the end of the Revolutionary War to the end of World War II, was not just that America occupied the center of this great was not just that America occupied the center of this great rich continent and had inherited the best aspects of British civilization, a legislative system and the elements of democracy and respect
	a legislative system and the elements of democracy and respect for freedom of expression and the English language and the common law, all of that.
	It wasn't just that.
	It wasn't even cheaply that.
	It was the genius of American statesmen at specific key times when they had to have a brilliant leadership, high-quality leadership.
	And the people who established the institutions that won us the Cold War, the strategic team assembled by Roosevelt and inherited by President Truman, those people did a splendid job that has to be updated.
	And the answer to your question, as best I can give on this, is that that element of personal judgment by high officeholders is what is key.
	And what you have to do in the case of The best policy for the United States in these matters is determine with accuracy and realism what are the vital interests of the United States outside the United States.
	What are they?
	And those have to be undergirded with alliances, given whatever military protection is required.
	And it has to be made clear to everybody that they will be defended at whatever level of force is required.
	And unfortunately, the United States, since it's inevitable it would happen with any country, has strayed into some areas that weren't evidently in such a high position of national interest.
	And less than wholehearted efforts were made to protect those positions because they were, in terms of the strategic requirements of America, ambiguous.
	Once Pearl Harbor happened, there was no ambiguity about What had to happen.
	And for the first time in its history, the United States had an almost entirely united public opinion behind a war effort.
	There was lots of dissent in the Revolutionary War and the Civil War, and some even in World War One, but none in World War Two.
	None.
	And I think we have to go through that exercise again.
	I mean, there's some things that the United States absolutely has to deploy to protect outside its own borders.
	And but unfortunately, Afghanistan wasn't really one of them.
	So the sort of flapping in the air and nobody got a handle on it.
	Now, my own view is we should have done, we should have taken the Trump formula, but stopped where he stopped and not taken it any further until there were reciprocal concessions.
	In particular, the Taliban ceasing to be a revolutionary movement and becoming an unarmed political party.
	And that was going to take a while.
	And anyone who thought it was going to happen by May the 1st, which Trump himself didn't think, or, you know, May the 1st next year, it's rubbish.
	It's going to be a long time.
	And now, of course, they're ostensibly, as of today, governing the country.
	So they have no incentive to be anything other than what they have been.
	We'll talk about the ramification of that decision in your latest article in American Greatness, but if I can turn the historic prism domestically, tomorrow a 130-year-old statue of Civil War General Robert E. Lee that dominates Richmond downtown in Virginia will be removed by the governor of Virginia.
	Is that the right, when any nation has to deal with its past chapters that may be inglorious, is iconoclasm, is the removing of symbols ever the right way to go?
	No.
	In my opinion, it's just an attempt to erase and rewrite history.
	Robert E. Lee was opposed to the secession of Virginia, and he believed that eventually, and not too eventually, slavery would be abandoned, but it was in many ways an odious system.
	He obviously led the forces of opposition against the Union, but the fact is he was next to the founders of the country who were from Virginia, Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe, and John Marshall and a couple of others. and Monroe, and John Marshall and a couple of others.
	He was the greatest figure in the history of Virginia.
	And he was one of the greatest generals in the history of the United States.
	And he was an honorable man.
	And in any case, his capital of the Confederacy was in Richmond.
	And he's the most important person in the history of Richmond, Virginia.
	And the statue should be left there.
	But some new wording perhaps should be added on the base that he, you know, just what I said, that he did lead the forces of secession and he was defeated.
	And while he was a very distinguished and talented and outstanding man, he was misguided and it was a terrible tragedy.
	That's what you should do.
	When politicians, politicians not historians, try to rewrite history, it never, never ends well.
	We've seen that before.
	We're talking to the author of Flight of the Eagle, The Grand Strategies That Brought America from Colonial Dependence to World Leadership.
	Lord Conrad Black.
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	I'm Sebastian Gawker, former strategist of President Trump.
	This is America First.
	Did you also have this happen?
	It happened here in the UK.
	Have you had people toppling statues in Canada, Conrad?
	We have, for a different reason.
	We've had people, and it's an absolute disgrace, and I've written many times how outrageous it is, the founder of this country, a very distinguished man, John A. MacDonald, who was, even in the time of Lincoln and Bismarck and Israel and Gladstone and Palmerston, a great statesman.
	not perhaps as great as those people, but recognized by them, except for Bismarck, who didn't know him, as a great statesman.
	And his statues have not been toppled by moths tearing them down, like you've had, or at least had last year in the U.S., but municipal councils and so on, having them removed in an orderly way because of his supposedly hostile attitude to the native people. having them removed in an orderly way because of his And this is a lot of funk.
	He gave the Native people the right to vote.
	He had allies amongst the Native people, a number of chiefs.
	He had absolutely No hostility to the native people at all.
	But like most people at that time, he assumed that they would rather be like us.
	He tried to facilitate their integration into the life of the country.
	And for this he's now being accused, you know, a hundred and, what is it, a hundred and thirty years after he died, he's being accused of being a racist, which is absolute balderdash.
	And what are they doing?
	Are they removing monuments?
	Yeah, they take a statue away and put it in a basement somewhere.
	Or, in some cases, they've relocated them to less prominent places.
	Now, in fairness, the federal government has kept its statue of MacDonald on Parliament Hill, right at the entrance to the Parliament buildings of the legislature of the country.
	And a number of the provinces have done the same.
	But we've had various municipalities taking down statues of MacDonald.
	And you get some of the more extreme native demonstrators claiming that he was a domestic Hitler and things like this.
	It's just outrageous.
	But it's all part of this woke nonsense, this ahistorical exaggeration, where if you disagree with what, for argument's sake, a prosecutor in a certain city is doing, you compare him to Hitler.
	I mean, if you don't know any history, then Hitler is interchangeable with Lincoln.
	And is BLM, is there a Canadian analogue to BLM?
	Not really.
	All the African-Americans in Canada, it's not a large percentage of the total population, it would be only, I don't know, 3% or something like that.
	They all are here by choice.
	Either They fled the United States and were welcomed at the end of that process of fugitive slaves, 40,000 of them, or they came subsequently mainly from Caribbean countries, but others as well, from Africa and some from the United States.
	But they came voluntarily, so you don't have the legacy of slavery.
	We never really had slavery in Canada because, you know, it was an economic institution because African people of African origin were deemed to be, and probably were, more efficient at harvesting tropical crops like cotton and tobacco.
	We didn't have them in Canada.
	Right, of course.
	There was no need for them.
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	So this is a challenge.
	Oh interesting, Tony Blinken saying we don't have people on the ground so we can't actually do the mission that is set to rescue our friends, allies, SIVs and Americans.
	Why is it you don't have people on the ground?
	Because they surrendered in Kabul.
	That is the lesson of the last three weeks.
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	We are back with Lord Conrad Black, the author of President Trump, A President Like No Other, latest piece in American Greatness and Greatness.com.
	We're posting right now.
	Joe Biden is a total failure is the title.
	Well, Lord Black, you go through a tour d'horizon, a horizon full of the incredible failures of just the last eight months.
	You start with stagflation, which can kill a presidency.
	You talk about the crime rates in the U.S., the open artery of the southern border, the disaster of Afghanistan, on and on and on.
	Let me ask you to put that all into a historic perspective.
	How true is the old sore that it's the economy stupid?
	That, you know, all of these things are true.
	The national security ramifications and everything else.
	But at the end of the day, a president of any party is most vulnerable when it comes to wallets and pocketbooks.
	That has historically been the leading issue.
	But of course, at times, Other crises arise.
	In the 1860 election, which Lincoln won, it wasn't the economy, of course.
	There was a terrible threat to national unity.
	In 1940, President Roosevelt's third term, he ran even with his opponent, Wendell Willkie, on the economy, but he led on foreign policy.
	But absolutely overriding concern of Americans was how to stay out of war, but help the democracies who were at war, British and Canadians.
	And Roosevelt had, you know, all aid short of war and a great arsenal of democracy and so on, and that was a policy that people approved.
	But normally what you say is right.
	I mean, obviously nothing affects people unless they are being literally oppressed.
	Nothing affects them more than their standard of living, the buying power of their income, the stability of their assets.
	And so it is traditionally the biggest factor, and it is about to assault this administration, I think.
	Incidentally, I didn't even get in that article you kindly mentioned, I didn't get to the shambles they've now managed to make at the whole COVID matter.
	I mean, that was their great asset in the last election.
	I was their ally, terrorizing the country and denigrating Trump's vaccine and so on.
	And now they, with no excuse at all, have made an absolute horlicks of it, as the English say.
	Yes, indeed.
	Let me ask you how significant the recent events, not just the Afghan debacle, but the fact that with a legacy media, 90% of which is totally, totally on this side of the Democrats, votes Democrat, More than 90% of journalists are registered Democrats.
	That we are seeing illegal leaks again, not just in a Trump administration, but leaks of phone calls between the incumbent and the Afghan president to press organs like Reuters.
	The fact that a Democrat administration is leaking to the legacy media means that there must truly be turmoil inside the White House, does it not?
	I think so.
	I mean, Sebastian, I've been following these things closely since the time of President Eisenhower in the 50s, and I don't recall any Democratic administration suffering a significant problem of leaks.
	When LBJ When his popularity declined over the conduct of the Vietnam War, there still weren't leaks.
	When Nixon came in with a new policy and started to withdraw people and casualties reduced and so forth, all of a sudden he was undermined by these leaks.
	I mean, the fact is, as you know, that you live there.
	I mean, virtually everybody in Washington, D.C.
	is a Democrat.
	I believe President Trump got 3% of the vote in his two elections in Washington.
	And so, you know, the average people in the White House, just the continuous personnel, not those who have changed every change of administration, they're all Democrats.
	And when you see Democrats, which obviously must have been the case here, taking out damaging confidential information and illegally leaking it to the press, as they love to do with Nixon, they love to do with Trump, And they did it occasionally with George W. Bush and Reagan as well, but they weren't so offensive to the Democrats.
	It's got to be a sign that the ranks are wavering, that even the Democrats are worried about what's going on.
	Yeah.
	And with the events of recent weeks, Lord Black, is Nancy Pelosi's Starr Chamber January 6th commission to target conservatives, is that dead in the water?
	I would say it's going to be very hard for it to get any attention because we know that, you know, discredited though the FBI is, it has Exhaustively looked at this and has declared that there's absolutely no connection, whatever, to the regrettable illegalities of the Capitol and the Trump campaign.
	So, I mean, no formal connection.
	And so, I mean, what is the point of it?
	I mean, just what do they think they're doing?
	And it is going to be overshadowed by more serious public concerns.
	I think the country is getting tired of Trump 8.
	I think they're tired of the Democrats having absolutely no explanation for anything other than we're not Trump and we hate Trump.
	And I thought... Sorry, we lost you there for a moment.
	You thought the what?
	Emerson Poll... Oh, we're losing him again.
	I don't know if we're getting some interference.
	We'll try one more time.
	Which poll, Lord Black?
	All right, we'll have to leave it there.
	In the meantime, you're back.
	Which poll was that?
	Well, we've lost him.
	We've lost him.
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	In and out.
	It was the Emerson poll, correct?
	What did that one say?
	Just remind me.
	Oh, we're losing you again.
	All right.
	I'll let you be right now and I'll send you an email.
	I want to hear more.
	Thank you, Lord Black.
	God bless.
	Bye-bye.
	Is that- are we using an office number for him?
	We are, right?
	No, cell phone.
	Oh, okay.
	It used to be much better than the landline.
	That's right, that's right.
	Alright, uh, title for that one.
	Um... Why General Lee's statue should stay.
	Yes.
	Very good.
	Statue should stay.
	Can I hear, um, Friday's Cut 8 AOC?
	Uh, that's a video cut?
	Hang on.
	Um, yeah, let me find it again.
	Friday's Cut 8.
	Friday was on the 3rd.
	Yeah, we're gonna come in with Cut 13.
	That's an audio cut.
	I'm going to connect you with another Jeff.
	Jeff with a J. He's a former DoD colleague of mine.
	He was in the building on 9-11.
	Let's get him on Friday for one segment, okay?
	Okay, here's the video.
	The fossil fuel industry and the future of humanity are fundamentally incompatible.
	They just are.
	I mean, that's not a political opinion.
	That is the science.
	We continue to burn fossil fuels.
	Our planet will become inhabitable, especially what's happening with Hurricane Ida.
	Inhabitable!
	Okay, I love that.
	I'm going to use that.
	And then also, oh, I'm going to use, I'm going to tee up the, after the FU audio, Jeff, I'm gonna tee up Belichick and ask you to comment if that's a big deal or not.
	Which one's Belichick?
	Nine, from Friday.
	Oh, yeah.
	From Friday?
	Oh, hang on.
	I gotta get that again, hang on.
	I gotta... yeah.
	What am I looking for?
	Okay, just... Nine, three... There it is!
	Yep, okay, I have both the AOC and the, uh...
	Belichick.
	How do you pronounce his name, Jeff?
	Is it Belichick?
	Belichick.
	Got it.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Alright, we got one minute.
	Yeah.
	Next hour, Goldman.
	Definitely got to have my fair share of movies over the weekend.
	Oh yeah?
	The Land That Time Forgot from 1975.
	Do you know how many of those they made?
	There's like 11 sequels.
	It's kind of like another, it's like a discount Lost World.
	That is...
	Formational for my children.
	Well, it was funny that in the original movie, the one from 75, one of the co-stars was Declan Mulholland.
	You know that name?
	Yes.
	He played Jabba the Hutt in the deleted scene from the movie.
	Oh my gosh, right.
	What else?
	Other than that movie, I don't know.
	Did you watch?
	Oh, I didn't get around to it, but Guns of Navarone is on Netflix.
	Oh yeah, it is.
	Alright, stand by.
	F Joe Biden.
	No, that wasn't a MAGA rally, fascinatingly enough.
	That was the football game on at least four college games this weekend, where just spontaneously, different campuses across the nation, different games, different stadia, and the kids just said, F Joe Biden.
	Isn't that fascinating?
	What does that mean about the millennial generation?
	Does it mean that perhaps they aren't as indoctrinated?
	And what did you think?
	Here's the thing that stunned me this morning when I heard that audio.
	It's going across every social media, radio programs, you name it.
	Here's the thing that kind of just like hit me like a sledgehammer.
	What did you think was going to happen, Fauci, Biden, Walensky?
	What did you think was going to happen when you tried to destroy the lives of tens of millions of kids across America?
	Lock them up at home, say they can't socialize.
	Seriously, do you think that was going to make you popular?
	How stupid are you?
	And there is hope, because the kids, the next generation, have had enough.
	Let's talk to somebody else who's had enough with the health fascists.
	He is a legend, of course.
	Bill Belichick, NFL coach as was, and he had something to say.
	Cut nine, play cut.
	You said there's a high number of players who've been vaccinated.
	Have been affected by COVID as well.
	I guess the point with Cam was that he what he didn't get sick, but he was still affected by it.
	So that didn't play a role in your decision.
	No, we have other players on the team who weren't vaccinated as I would say probably as every other team in the league and.
	We've had.
	Minimal, but throughout the league there have been a number of.
	Quite a high number, I would say of players who have.
	had the virus who had been vaccinated.
	So your implication that vaccination solves every problem is just not really, I would say that that has not been substantiated based on what's happened in training camp this year.
	That's all.
	How many players on the team are still not vaccinated?
	Yeah, again, I'm not going to get into that.
	Those are all personal decisions and that's not my place to talk about another person's decision or medical condition.
	Wow, respecting somebody's decisions to do with their body as they will when it comes to medical interventions.
	Now, albeit not a high-energy interview, I'll give it to the man, but he is a legend.
	And let's go to our sports aficionado, the one, the only, Mr G. How important is it when he, when Belichick says something like that on the record?
	Well, first of all, I knew you were going to say that about the high energy.
	Belichick's an interesting guy.
	He hates talking to the media.
	You can tell.
	He does not want to be there, does he?
	That's one of the highest energies he's ever done right there.
	I thought it was important that he came out.
	As we talk about sports, there's few people that have accomplished so much that can come out and nobody's going to go after them.
	However, we have an update.
	That was last week.
	Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
	Today he released a statement saying exactly what he said again, and then he just said, but we'd be better off as a team if everyone was vaccinated.
	So Taflon Balichick, the legend, even he is going woke, Jeff?
	He's not going full woke, but I wish he would have just defended it more on Friday, because he could have gotten away with doing that.
	Isn't it always the way, though?
	We see this kind of backpedal a few days later.
	Yeah, it starts the one day, then somebody gets to him, and two or three days later, they always come back.
	All right, let me ask you this.
	Let's go from sports to media, because you are, you know, the producer here on America First.
	How big a deal is it, this whole Joe Rogan thing in the last week?
	Because he's like Mr. Podcast.
	Yes.
	And the fact that they're trying to attack him, you know, Rachel Maddow, Rolling Stone, the Ivermectin stuff.
	Here's what I think is important with that.
	Your average person that's checked out doesn't pay attention to the news.
	They're like, wow, CNN just completely made a story up.
	I think that's starting to get to some people.
	So because he has a wide audience, huge audience, of people who don't follow political stuff, This story will wake him up.
	Yeah, and maybe he'll start questioning everything that you hear on the news.
	Wouldn't that be great?
	What a great, great thing to see.
	Tens of millions of Americans across the nation saying, were they at a football game?
	Were they listening to their favorite podcast?
	What?
	What did they just say about Joe Rogan?
	What lies are they saying about that hospital in Oklahoma?
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	Oh, I remember one other movie I watched.
	To see you talk to the people who've been devastated.
	but the original True Grit with John Wayne.
	- Oh, that's a classic. - I can't believe that was the one that got him his Oscar, his one and only Oscar.
	- Oh, do you want me to put that in? - Not having the aviators on.
	- Just talk to the people who've been devastated.
	Just talk to them.
	I'm gonna tee up cut four.
	Cut 4, copy.
	This football stadium, these chants keep up.
	I can't wait to see the college's reaction.
	They'll threaten students, 100%.
	The announcers will start cutting away.
	They'll pretend that they're soft.
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I can't get used to it though.
	Isn't that the new Governor of New York standing to Biden's left?
	That's her, right?
	Yeah.
	Good.
	I thought, the first time I saw her at a press conference, I thought, like, is everyone else around her, like, seven feet tall?
	And then I'm like, whoa, she's just, uh, she's just really short.
	Oh, man.
	I'm going to tee up AOC next.
	AOC from Friday, yes.
	Tee up, yeah.
	Okay, we've got Lee Factor here and American Finance.
	I want to thank her personally for her gumption, the way she's fought and hollered and fought so hard.
	Yeah, Belichick got put in a tight position there because you cut a player who was a former MVP but just can't really play the way he used to anymore, and he refuses to get vaccinated.
	There's a reason why literally only someone like Joe Rogan can defy the narrative and basically get away with it.
	You have to have an insane following.
	YouTubers with like 20 million subscribers who are uncouncilable.
	Otherwise, no.
	No chance.
	I think he's been more outspoken since he got to this point.
	I'm sure- I think he's got- yeah, I mean- Yeah, I mean, there was worries that he was kind of going more moderate after the Spotify thing, because Spotify does have restrictions.
	No, I think Snally doesn't care if he's kicked off YouTube or not.
	Oh, true, yeah.
	Well, why do you think he's literally the only one who's allowed to post a video of Alex Jones?
	Like, those are the only Alex Jones videos you'll find on YouTube.
	Really?
	Oh yeah, his interviews with him.
	Like, because he's Joe Rogan.
	You can't just ban Joe Rogan.
	Yeah.
	But nobody else.
	Everybody else is... Dan Rogan will talk to anybody, too, so... Oh, yeah.
	Anybody sit in there.
	Alright, we got 25 seconds.
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	Mm-hmm.
	Alright.
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	As we speak, that decrepit old husk of a man who thinks he's the president is giving an address with it.
	Why has he got sunglasses on?
	I mean, seriously, nobody around him is wearing sunglasses.
	Nobody.
	Not even that reptilian Chuck Schumer.
	But he's got his A Ray-Ban aviator's on.
	He's addressing the audience in New York after he took a tour, a little press junket of the storm damage.
	And standing right next to him is Chuck Schumer, who did what?
	He did this.
	He lied to all of America.
	With such ease.
	With such a faculty for lying, it is truly disturbing.
	This is cut for Chuck Schumer talking about Americans trapped in Afghanistan.
	How will what happened affect Democrats' chances moving into the midterms?
	You know, I can't predict that.
	I will say there'll be a job for congressional oversight.
	There always is.
	But at the moment, actually, I'm still focused on trying to get some of those brave Afghans out.
	The Americans, all of whom wanted to come out, have come out.
	Praise God.
	But there are a lot of Afghans who risked their lives for our soldiers and others.
	Many got out.
	Some didn't.
	And I'm still working on trying to get some of them out.
	Oh, did you hear what he said there?
	All Americans who wanted to get out got out.
	At the same time that the State Department has had to admit there's at least a hundred Americans trapped in Afghanistan, abandoned by their government.
	I know at least 82 because my friend has got aircraft on the ground in Afghanistan trying to whisk them to safety But the State Department is blocking him.
	The Taliban don't want them to leave.
	They want hostages.
	But Chuck Schumer, the most senior senator in the United States, is prepared to say on camera, no problem.
	We got him out.
	There are no Americans in Afghanistan who want to leave.
	He just doesn't care.
	The truth is irrelevant to him.
	Okay, let's have some good news.
	Well, it's not good news.
	It's just entertaining news.
	Texas has its new abortion law, the Heartbeat Law, which will save millions of unborn children in coming years.
	What's the left's response?
	Okay, this is the most amusing of all.
	Portland?
	That is itself a disaster, is having a vote.
	Mayor Ted Wheeler is having a council vote held to boycott Portland trading with Texas.
	How will Texas survive?
	I'm wondering how Texas will survive if members of the Portland Council aren't allowed to travel there and no trade.
	On top of that, we have Hollywood celebrities that are listing their intent, like Patricia Arquette, to boycott Texas.
	What will Texas do?
	I really don't know, but I do know something.
	It's amusing.
	I had no idea of this.
	When I looked this story up at the weekend, I found out that Patricia Arquette has blocked me.
	Has blocked me!
	I didn't even know she was still alive.
	And then I found out Ellen Barkin, the other crazy leftist actress, had blocked me as well.
	People send me these little, you know, notifications.
	I didn't know she was still alive either.
	But what is it an indication of?
	It's an indication that you're winning.
	When they block you preemptively, it's because you're telling the truth.
	And by the way, I think Texas is gonna do just fine.
	This is the latest from that other crazy leftist.
	She may as well be in Hollywood because she'd fit right in.
	A lot of people say she's an actress.
	This is AOC.
	What was she last week?
	Oh yes, she was Alexandra von Clausewitz, a war historian, strategist, par excellence, telling us that war's messy and it's violent.
	Thanks AOC.
	Now she's, I don't know, an energy expert?
	This is the latest pearl of wisdom from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
	The fossil fuel industry and the future of humanity are fundamentally incompatible.
	They just are.
	I mean, that's not a political opinion.
	That is the science.
	We continue to burn fossil fuels.
	Our planet will become inhabitable.
	Especially what's happening with Hurricane Ida is that, I mean, this is climate change.
	I don't know what more people need to see.
	And I'm very sad to say they're going to see a lot more in our lifetime.
	To understand that this is human cause.
	We are at the brink.
	The UN IPCC report was released this year saying we are at code red for humanity.
	So I'm a politician but this isn't politics and the weather's never changed before and there's never been flooding in New York and the planet will be, hang on I have to get this right, inhabitable.
	She's got a degree doesn't she?
	From Boston.
	What is inhabitable?
	She doesn't even correct.
	What kind of person is In the business of talking for a living.
	She's not a radio host.
	She doesn't have to do it for three hours every single day.
	But she's a politician.
	So you've got to learn how to speak.
	It helps.
	But don't worry, it's code red.
	The planet is inhabitable.
	Put that in your Funkin' Wagner.
	And if you know what I'm talking about, you are far too old.
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	Uh, 1A and Black, uh, write-up.
	1A.
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	And for the podcast?
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	Something else.
	45 seconds.
	All right.
	Any last few cuts in this segment?
	Probably not.
	All right.
	All right.
	20 seconds.
	Stand by.
	You're listening to America First with Dr. G. He's still wittering!
	What is that man bloviating about?
	Seriously, let's talk about important stuff.
	How bad, how cr- I know Vegas is different.
	I know, like, you arrive in Vegas and it's like Disneyland for grown-ups.
	But just how nuts is it?
	This is a story from The Blaze.
	A mother of a fourth grade student in Las Vegas, Nevada found out that a substitute teacher taped her son's mask to his face.
	After he took it off by accident.
	The mother, who has not been identified, spoke at length to KVVU-TV.
	She has filed a police report.
	I was furious!
	I was scared for my son of what kind of long-term effect this would have on him socially.
	The fact that the entire class was laughing at my nine-year-old.
	He went for a sip of water and forgot to put his mask back on.
	Rather than the teacher reminding him to put the mask back on or even sending him to the principal's office, the teacher dragged him in front of the class and applied the mask with tape.
	Tape!
	To a nine-year-old!
	Clark County School District has issued a statement.
	The district is aware of the isolated incident and is dealing with the employee through proper channels.
	According to the nine-year-old, this is a regular occurrence and has happened at least five times with other students.
	America, get angry.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Matt, North Carolina.
	Welcome, Matt.
	Hello, Dr. G. Thanks for taking my call.
	Sure.
	I heard earlier the recording of AOC?
	Yes.
	She needs to be taught.
	Someone needs to teach her or tell her that it takes fossil fuels, fossil fuels to produce electricity, for God's sake.
	I know, it's funny.
	Where do they think their Prius little snowflake cars get the electricity to charge their batteries?
	Oh, and by the way, where does the copper and the lithium for the batteries come from?
	She is such a moron.
	Thank you, Matt.
	Staying on this issue, Glenn, Arizona, line two.
	Dr. Gorka, I coined a phrase, and I said this to Dennis Prager when I called him.
	What we have here is we have activists masquerading as politicians, and activists masquerading as teachers.
	And this infuriates me, this last article you just said.
	So I'll give you a perfect example.
	The activists that live next door to me, they don't have access to my 11-year-old son.
	But the activists realize that if they want to have access to these children, what do they do?
	You become teachers and principals.
	And now you have access to 30 kids that you ordinarily would never have access to.
	You can indoctrinate.
	You can indoctrinate.
	And you can teach the most egregious stuff.
	And here, where they're physically putting their hands on our kids?
	Are you kidding me? - Yeah, this is so true.
	These people aren't teachers.
	They're activists.
	They're not politicians.
	They're activists.
	You nailed it.
	It's down the line, Glenn.
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	And we are delighted to have with us Somebody who's been our guide, our mentor for issues strategic, especially when it comes to Asia and the threat of China.
	He is the author most recently of You Will Be Assimilated, China's Plan to Sinoform the World.
	He is Known as Spengler, to those in the know, writes under that Nom de Guerre for Asia Times.
	Follow him on Twitter at David P. Goldman.
	David Goldman, welcome to America First one-on-one.
	Seb, it is an honor and privilege.
	Thanks so much for the invitation.
	So we have so much to discuss.
	The consequences, the global ramifications of the events of the last 14 days, especially when it comes to the strategic threat posed by communist China.
	But first, for those who are not familiar with your work, just had this video link sent to them or just caught this audio podcast.
	Will you introduce us a little bit about yourself, how you got to where you are today and who Spengler really is?
	Well, I've been writing the Spengler column at Asia Times for 20 years, starting with 9-11, on the premise that jihad was a perpetual strategic danger and that it had a significant chance of winning against the West.
	And we've just had, 20 years after 9-11, the first major strategic defeat by a Western power inflicted by jihad.
	Since the Afghans kicked the British out in the middle of the 19th century, although I think in many ways this is much worse, I became deeply concerned about China, doing work for a boutique investment bank in Hong Kong, where I got an inside view of some of the technological tricks that the Chinese were up to, and became convinced that unless we got our game together, China would overtake us.
	in a decade in key technologies and disastrously become the world's dominant economic power with ghastly consequences for the United States and our standard of living and our security.
	And why the pseudonym, why the nom de plume of Spengler?
	Explain that to our listeners and viewers.
	That was a joke.
	Oswald Spengler wrote in 1918 a famous book called The Decline of the West and I thought it would be Amusing for an Asian newspaper to have a columnist using that pseudonym.
	So that was really a joke.
	Spengler was a bright guy, though many parts of his theory I find detestable, like his biological theory of rise and decline.
	He thinks all civilizations go down the drain.
	I don't think ours has to.
	If we let it go down the drain, it's our fault and not that of some abstract historical process.
	And let's start with this question of this nation you've been focusing on for so long.
	Describe for us, if you will, or explain.
	Let me work backwards.
	How well does the political elite in America, the national security policymaking elite, and big business, those three groups, how well do they understand what communist China is, David?
	Well, I think you can divide them into three groups.
	Doesn't know, doesn't care, and both of the above.
	Now, that's a bit of an exaggeration.
	People like Kurt Campbell and Rush Doshi, who are on Biden's White House staff, are reasonably proficient in Chinese history.
	Rush Doshi knows the Chinese language quite well.
	He used to run the Chinese studies program at Brookings.
	I have a review coming out of his new book, in the Claremont Review of Books, next month.
	I think he understands some things, but what I think has been missed is that China, with a population of a billion and a half people, with an enormous amount of energy, with elite school kids who study six days a week, twelve hours a day, with universities, with faculties trained at our universities,
	We trained up world-class faculty for Chinese universities is determined to become a dominant economic power and to become the key player in what's called the fourth industrial revolution, the revolution of artificial intelligence and big data.
	They have a trillion and a half dollar government budget to force the development of these technologies.
	We can't even get around to building semiconductor fabrication plants in the middle of a chip shortage that's shutting down our auto industry.
	So, the Chinese have a lot of smart and hard-working people.
	It's extremely dynamic, and they're determined to be the best.
	I think we've got key advantages over the Chinese if we use them, but tragically, we have not been.
	Let's address one of the conventional wisdoms that is often raised with regards to China, and it's something that percolated through the policy elites, the business elites in the 1970s and 80s when Japan was rising and the car industry was threatened by the likes of Toyota and Hyundai.
	Many people said China's not a threat.
	Because they can't innovate.
	They can steal and copy and reverse engineer.
	But they come from a culture where risk taking and innovation is not endemic, isn't encouraged.
	And as such, there's a there's a ceiling to just how much of a competitor they can be.
	Was that true?
	Is that true?
	Or is it a complete misconception, David?
	It's a partial truth, which is the most dangerous kind It's certainly true that the average Chinese STEM student or engineer is less likely to be a dynamic innovator than the average American.
	But there are two things that mitigate it.
	One is there are so many Chinese that amongst them you find many innovators.
	As an investment banker in Hong Kong, I helped take some of their companies public.
	I was very impressed by them.
	And the second thing is China is not a country, it's an empire.
	If you take Huawei, which is now the symbol of Chinese economic expansion, they've got 200,000 employees, 50,000 of them are Westerners, overwhelmingly European, some Australians.
	They dominate the basic R&D.
	Explain to those who aren't familiar what Huawei does, David.
	Huawei is the world dominant telecommunications equipment company.
	It's the dominant player in 5G infrastructure.
	It has more than 30% of the world infrastructure market and it holds more patents More innovations in 5G than anyone else.
	And even if it were the case that they couldn't find a single Chinese scientist capable of innovating, they are not a Chinese company.
	They are an imperial company with 50,000 R&D personnel hired from the West.
	It's like the Mongols who destroyed, uh, who took down Baghdad in the middle of the 13th century.
	By hiring a thousand Chinese siege engineers.
	Or the Turks who hired Venetian siege engineers to destroy the walls of Constantinople in 1453.
	So, China has plenty of access to innovation, both internally and by hiring it from the rest of the world.
	So, how communist is China, and how much has it changed under Xi Jinping?
	It's still a state where there's only one political party, but what is the best way to describe the economy and the type of political system that is Xi Jinping's China, David?
	China is deeply communist, the way the Italian mafia is deeply Catholic.
	They take their communism very seriously, the way the mafiosi take Catholicism very seriously, but it's not always clear what the practical importance of the ideology is.
	China for 5,000 years has had a centralized state run by a mandarid cast of bureaucrats selected with a certain amount of meritocracy by standardized exams, which have directed massive infrastructure efforts, which are
	Fundamental to the Chinese economy because it's based on massive river systems with which are prone to flooding The Chinese system today is much more like the ancient Chinese imperial model that it is say like Russian communism or Cuban communism China has never once in its history Developed the idea that individual rights are sacred 2,000 years ago the Chinese Emperor's buried a million
	The Chinese people, unlike the Japanese, never liked their emperor.
	They don't like the Communist Party.
	and the Chinese today are perfectly willing to sacrifice millions of people to what they consider to be the greater good.
	The Chinese people, unlike the Japanese, never like their emperor.
	They don't like the Communist Party.
	The Communist Party has a fairly secure rule because per capita personal income in China has risen nearly tenfold in the past generations.
	They've accomplished quite a great deal by taking subsistence farmers from the countryside and making them industrial workers in the cities.
	A generation ago, only a fifth of Chinese lived in the cities.
	Now two-thirds of them do.
	So they've had an enormous increase in productivity.
	It's a very brutal government, which will treat prospective dissidents as prospective kidney donors.
	It's a system which we Westerners find, in most ways, repugnant.
	But it's a very ancient system, and it's not one which is easy to replace.
	So the idea that China, which we heard from all of the panda huggers for years, the idea that China was going to become a democracy as it became richer, as it developed more market mechanisms, turned out to be one of the Worst ideas anybody ever had about politics in history.
	On the other hand, China has a National People's Congress with a hundred billionaires among the delegates.
	They're perfectly happy to let people get rich and have a great deal of room to swing in private enterprise as long as all the key decisions and control of key resources remain in the hands of the Communist Party.
	That includes, for example, data.
	The United States We conservatives are deeply concerned about the data monopoly of the Googles and Facebooks and so forth, and what that means for freedom and control of freedom of expression.
	In China, there's been a crackdown of the tech industry, which basically places all of the data under the direct supervision of the government.
	Now, I'm not sure I like Google that much better than the Chinese Communist Party, But if it came to a choice, I'd prefer Google.
	Let's pull straight up to the events of today and the events of the last two weeks.
	Talk to us about how America's surrender of Kabul, the full withdrawal of our military from Afghanistan, how that changes not only the map of Central Asia and South Asia, but how that changes the sphere of mobility and the plans for communist China and Xi Jinping.
	Well, I think this is a strategic catastrophe, much worse than Saigon in 1975.
	Thanks to Richard Nixon, we had a deal with China when we let Vietnam go down, that China would not try to exploit the collapse of the pro-American government in Vietnam to create many Vietnams around it.
	China was quite cautious based on the deal with Nixon.
	By surrendering to a jihadist movement in a humiliating and abject way, we have created a monster which will be very hard to contain.
	And that monster is a Russian-Chinese alliance to keep Central Asia and large parts of Western Asia safe for China.
	China's biggest fear is always internal security.
	Economics always comes second.
	The Chinese Communist Party is a security state.
	China has 20 million Muslims, but it also is ringed by countries with hundreds of billions of Muslims, particularly Indonesia, then Philippines, Southern Thailand, and China's nightmare is a jihadi uprising in Southeast Asia, which will put at risk its entire economic periphery and stimulate terrorism among jihadists in China itself.
	I've heard this directly from Chinese military leaders and security people on many visits to China.
	China also has an ally in Russia which is also concerned.
	20% of Russia's population is Muslim.
	So the first thing that China did with Russia after the fall of Kabul was to bring Iran into something called the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
	That's not quite a Chinese NATO, but it functions the same way.
	They effectively created a military alliance with Iran.
	You know everything you need to know about Chinese foreign policy by watching the Godfather series.
	Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
	So the first thing the Chinese will do when they're faced with a government in Afghanistan, which is chaotic, with a border with their western province, Xinjiang, which has a majority Muslim population, is to cozy up to the Afghans.
	And I'll tell the Afghans, you've got two choices.
	One is, we make you rich.
	We mine your lithium, we mine your other minerals, we get you a lot of money, and you can be a nice partner in our Belt and Road Initiative and our New Asian Crow Prosperity Sphere, whatever they want to call it.
	Or, you can mess with us and we'll kill you all.
	The Chinese have been conducting extermination campaigns against what they call unruly barbarians for the last several thousand years.
	They'll go to the Iranians, who are Shia, and say, you don't really want the Sudi Afghans to be the leader of world jihad, so why don't you work with us to try to contain that problem?
	They'll go to the other Arabs, including the Saudis, and say, you can't trust the Americans now.
	You better deal with us.
	We'll take care of your security, because Washington will hang you out to dry.
	So, in effect, by showing this kind of weakness, we have invited the Chinese, in partnership with the Russians, to develop a dominant role in Central and Western Asia.
	That's the monster we've called into being, and that's why Biden's capitulation and incompetence in Afghanistan is such a debacle for the United States.
	You mentioned Vietnam, Nixon.
	How much of where we are today, because when I entered the White House, I was there to do national security and counter-terrorism, but once you get the clearances and read the reports, you realize the only real strategic threat we face is China, with a long-term peer competitor.
	How much of where we are today, David, really lies in terms of culpability at the feet of maybe not Nixon, but definitely Kissinger for convincing Nixon to open to China and then selling this idea that an opening to China economically would liberalize it politically?
	Who's really responsible for selling that absolute fantasy to the West?
	I don't think Nixon had that fantasy.
	The historians tell us it was Nixon's initiative, not Kissinger's, to open a charter.
	Kissinger did the implementation.
	At the time, Nixon had two problems.
	One was the imminent fall of Vietnam.
	He knew the American people would not be willing to make the sacrifices that would be required to prevent a communist takeover in South Vietnam, and he wanted to contain the impact.
	Secondly, he had the Soviet Union to deal with.
	There are many historians who believe that Nixon's opening to China was decisive in winning the Cold War against the Soviet Union.
	And there's no question that it contributed to America's victory in the Cold War.
	It's hard to condemn Nixon for taking the actions he did, given the choices he had at the time.
	Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
	I think the problem was the Clinton administration's naivete and the Bush administration's naivete put us in a situation where China now has a real opportunity to become the dominant player in the world.
	Just to give you one idea, if we spent five trillion dollars on
	What Donald Trump appropriately called forever wars and got nothing out of it if we had spent a tenth of that money on the kind of Military related research and development and high technology Incubation that the Reagan administration did so successfully we would be so far ahead of China now They would have no hope of catching up
	So, I believe there are other measures we could have taken with China, with respect to China, and indeed with respect to the U.S.
	economy, that would have avoided this disaster.
	The Bush administration was run by people who thought that there was no need for the U.S.
	to manufacture everything.
	We'd get cheap imports from China, and we'd do the software, the design.
	They'd do the dirty work, we'd do the clean stuff.
	And that was a catastrophic economic policy.
	It wasn't necessary at all.
	Okay, I have so many different avenues I could go down.
	The book is You Will Be Assimilated, China's Plan to Sino-Form the World by our friend here on America First, one-on-one, David P. Goldman.
	David, let's look at what has happened in the last seven months, not just the last few days.
	Here's a clip.
	From the first Sino-US summit once the Biden administration was in place.
	Play cuts.
	So for China, it was necessary that we make our position clear.
	I'm going to say, you don't have the right to say that you have made a decision from the Chinese.
	So let me say here that in front of the Chinese side, the United States does not have the qualification to say that it wants to speak to China from a position of strength.
	The chief diplomat of Communist China used literal Antifa and BLM talking points during that summit, talked about America being a racist nation that can't dictate human rights to anybody else.
	What is that I think the Chinese are very ill-advised to insult us this way.
	It won't do them any good, it'll just get us angry.
	And our diplomat just sat there like a sheep with no response.
	But China was using domestic internal political talking points from the Democrat side against a Democrat administration, David.
	I think the Chinese are very ill advised to insult us this way.
	It won't do them any good.
	It'll just get us angry.
	But I think what the most important thing it shows, Sebastian, is that the Chinese feel powerful.
	They feel powerful enough to insult us on our home ground.
	Why is that?
	Donald Trump put a tariff of about 20% on roughly half of the exports that China sends to the U.S.
	Right now, China's exports to the U.S.
	are 20% higher than they were in January 2018 when Trump imposed tariffs.
	They amount to a quarter of our entire manufacturing gross domestic product.
	We are more dependent on Chinese imports than ever before in the past.
	And there are many things like smartphones, computers, and so forth, a lot of electronics, we simply don't manufacture here.
	Tim Cook, the Outgoing chairman of Apple said he can't manufacture a smartphone in the United States.
	He simply doesn't have the process Engineers to do it so the Chinese believe they can't the US can't deal without them.
	That's number one and Getting out of that hole Replacing those imports would probably require something in the range of a trillion dollars of capital investment Now that's not outside our range.
	If Biden can propose three and a half trillion dollars of handouts to democratic political constituencies, we can find a trillion dollars to re-establish our industrial independence.
	But it's not an easy job.
	In technology, we place sanctions on Chinese sourcing of American high-tech products, particularly computer chips that were built with American technology, even if they're built outside the United States.
	According to every estimate I've seen, China has something like 900,000 5G base stations.
	That's the basic unit which propagates the 5G signal that you pick up on your smartphone or other receiver.
	That's 70% of the world's total.
	The United States has 7% of the world's total.
	China's going to be building another million base stations in the next year.
	Where did they get the chips from despite the U.S.
	sanctions?
	Well, some of them they're making at home.
	They've got a crash effort to manufacture ships, but a lot of them they're buying because the United States is looking the other way.
	We don't feel we have the power to enforce the sanctions that we have on the books.
	Why is that?
	Well, Huawei controls sufficient 5G patents that American mobile providers like Verizon require in order to make their own build-outs.
	The Chinese allowed American companies to use Huawei's patents because they dominate the technology in return for the Commerce Department turning a blind eye or allowing exceptions to Chinese sourcing of American made chips or chips with American technology.
	They feel powerful and that's because they have real economic power.
	They have supply chains in depth.
	They have the biggest build-out of 5G, which is the core technology of the Fourth Industrial Revolution, in the world.
	And they see the United States flailing, so they feel entitled to push us around.
	Bitch-slap us, if you pardon the expression.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I've used that expression every time to introduce that clip myself.
	We're having a bit of a Vulcan mind-meld, of course, with our good friend David Golden.
	Great lines think alike, Sebastian.
	I know, and we've got to fight the Borg.
	We've got to fight the Borg, that's for sure, but this time it's not science fiction.
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	Let me ask the question that is out there that nobody wants to discuss, especially in the new administration.
	Is China that confident, David, That they are prepared to engage in a shooting war with America or do they understand what that would mean for them and are they happy to stay in the indirect form of warfare that Sun Tzu has taught us?
	The financial, the intelligence, the political.
	How arrogant have they become and how arrogant is the Chinese military?
	I think the Chinese are both arrogant and paranoid.
	The Chinese live in constant fear that the West will do something to try to break them up and throw them back into the kind of civil war and internal chaos they had for a century, basically, until Mao Zedong consolidated power.
	Dire fear of every Chinese government, every Chinese dynasty, is a rebel province.
	They consider Taiwan a rebel province.
	Their belief is that if Taiwan gained full sovereignty, then China would itself be at risk of breakup.
	So, if they believe the West were going to, for example, arm Taiwan with its very best weapons, say F-35s and its best air defense systems, offensive missiles and so forth, They would preemptively invade to stop Taiwan from becoming sovereign.
	If they are convinced the West is willing to go along with the one China fiction that Taiwan is simply a province of China, it's for the Chinese to work out, and that will be settled at some point in the future, I don't believe that they'll invade because the consequences of doing so would be catastrophic for them.
	Right now, Japan is usually dependent on Chinese exports, but if China were to invade Taiwan, Japan would cut them off.
	Japan would take a massive economic depression rather than stand by and let China crush Taiwan.
	I think the rest of the West would take the same response.
	We'd have a world depression as a result, but we would not stand for that.
	That would cause untold economic misery in China, and of course, There's the possibility of Chinese cities being destroyed.
	And whatever happened would not be good for the rule of the Communist Party.
	The Communist Party's central objective is to keep its rule in place, above all.
	So, in that sense, they're risk-averse.
	They won't take risks.
	They don't have to.
	If, of course, the West shows itself to be complete wet noodles and refuses to do anything to support Taiwan, The Chinese might march in with the belief that they'll pay no penalty for it.
	So from the Western standpoint, the best thing to do is to support Taiwan, but not push the sovereignty issue in such an aggressive way that it provokes the Chinese preemption.
	I don't think we want a war with China.
	Nobody would win that.
	We'd lose a bunch of cities.
	The Chinese would lose a bunch of cities.
	And the result would be a stalemate with tens of billions of dead people.
	In the meantime, talk to us about what they are doing.
	Talk to us about the significance of the Confucian Institutes.
	Talk to us about what they're doing around the globe, not just in Central Asia, but in Africa and elsewhere.
	You know, they are at war with us.
	President Trump was right.
	So explain to us the indirect mode of attack and the various forms of it.
	I saw this first hand.
	As a matter of fact, inadvertently, five or six years ago, I was part of it, as I wrote in the book.
	As an investment banker, at the behest of my friend, who was then the Mexican ambassador to the United States, I brought Huawei to Mexico and introduced them to people in the Mexican government.
	Huawei, afterwards, got a contract to build a national broadband network in Mexico.
	Also Brazil, also many other parts of Latin America.
	Colombia is another important case.
	So the Brazilians have told the United States, you used to be our friends, but what have you done for us lately?
	We like the Chinese.
	They give us all these cool technologies.
	The thing that frightens me most about the Chinese in countries that are, say, on our border, as well as countries that are important to us elsewhere, is their broadband technology and the things attached to it actually do work very well.
	The price of broadband in Mexico has dropped by two-thirds since Huawei came in.
	When I was there with the Huawei people, the taxi drivers couldn't use Waze because they couldn't afford the broadband.
	Now Mexico City is the second largest market for Waze in the world.
	So they're using their technology as a thin net of a way to gain confidence and gain control and dominance of economies because Once you control the mobile broadband networks, you bring in e-commerce, you bring in e-finance, you take over the payment system, you take over retailing, you take over business services, you take over logistics and port management, and eventually you have the company, you have that country by the throat.
	That's of course in addition to the Belt and Road initiative projects where they lend money to countries to build major projects and then get them into a debt trap, which gives them enormous political leverage.
	So in many parts of the world, Central Asia, Latin America, Southeast Asia, Africa, the Chinese, without firing a shot and without sending a single soldier, are gaining vast amounts of influence and power over countries that collectively have several billion people are gaining vast amounts of influence and power over countries Have several billion people in them.
	And the role of the Confucian Institutes here in America and the role of Chinese influence operations in academe?
	Well, Chinese influence operations are really obvious.
	The fuel for research, the fuel of the artificial intelligence revolution is data.
	If you want to do big data analysis in health research, say for example looking at drug interactions or researching DNA patterns for possible cures for genetic diseases, you can't do it without Chinese data.
	There are no personal protection rights in China.
	They have got the sequenced DNA and the medical histories digitized for hundreds of millions of people.
	Biggest database in the world.
	So I know many people in that field who say, we simply can't do our work without China.
	So they'll get American professors or Chinese professors working at American universities who get hooked into their system because they can't work without the data.
	The Confucian Institutes are their propaganda arm.
	Chinese propaganda is probably one of the worst products of the human imagination in all of history.
	It's just so badly done.
	But I can't imagine it has a terrible effect.
	But the impact of Chinese control over data has a huge radiating effect on American universities and draws people into their orbit and gives them access to some of our best brains.
	Remember, four-fifths of all doctoral candidates at American universities are foreign students.
	And most of those are Chinese.
	So we have a huge machine taking American expertise and pumping it to China, both through research contacts and more importantly, as the best graduate students are offered higher salaries to start in China than they are in the United States.
	All right, let's cut to the chase.
	What is China most afraid of, David?
	Is it democracy?
	Is it an internal civil war with the Uyghur Muslims?
	Is it falling back into the state of the warring states two and a half thousand years ago?
	In your estimation, what drives the threat perception of the Communist Party and Xi Jinping?
	Well, what Xi Jinping has devoted his ire at Most recently is the softness of the current generations China is very is a very soulless society You've got some aspects of traditional religion, but and a certain number of Christians But that's largely been suppressed.
	It's a very small minority of the country So what the Communist Party has offered people is get rich get comfortable and now they find that the younger generation
	tends to reject the system they tend to pick up on some of the they tend to pick up a western pop culture uh... you have a phenomenon called lying back which is what we used to call slacking in the united states uh... and above all you have demographic bust uh... and that's true in all of east asia as east asians came out of traditional society into modern society they really stopped having children China's facing a long-term demographic problem.
	It's not as severe as Japan, Korea, or Taiwan, by the way, but it's still a severe problem.
	So they're afraid that the soullessness and materialism of their system is going to create a generation which is apathetic, lazy, and simply uninterested in accomplishment.
	And that's been the pattern of Chinese history.
	The Chinese dynasty becomes prosperous, it becomes soft.
	China's problem is spiritual, fundamentally.
	It's a country where people's spiritual life exists only in their family, but not in the public sphere.
	And that's something which the Communist Party is not very good at dealing with and they're panicking.
	All right, let's then jump to the so what, the praxis of it all.
	This administration is in huge trouble.
	Biden is underwater in terms of popularity.
	Whether it's the border, the economy, COVID or Afghanistan, it's disasters wherever you look.
	What is your advice to the next president?
	I saw President Trump recently.
	I know he's running.
	Whether it's President Trump or another Republican, what should be the right approach to China, David?
	Our approach to China should be the same as our approach to the Soviet Union in the 1980s and our approach to Nazi Germany in the 1940s, which is to massively mobilize our resources and the spirit of the American people to leapfrog our enemies and use American ingenuity and American industrial power to make ourselves the dominant, insuperable, power in the world.
	We did this with the arsenal of democracy in World War Two.
	We did this in the Reagan military buildups with strategic defense initiative and other initiatives.
	We crushed the axis and we crushed communism in the 1980s.
	China is a much more formidable adversary in part because it's so much larger than any of the adversaries we've faced in the past.
	But Technology is the great multiplier.
	The problem we've got, Sebastian, is we have 5 or 6% of our undergraduates study engineering.
	In China, it's 33%.
	We have universities run by diversity managers.
	We've got to reform our educational system.
	We've got to reform our industrial system to return to high-tech manufacturing and dominance in the decisive technologies of the 21st century artificial intelligence, quantum computing, high energy physics, missile defense, there are a whole list of things you and I could put together because we've done them before.
	So I think the United States should simply do what it's good at, what it's done so successfully in the past, as opposed to this die combination, diversity, inclusion, and equality, which is turning us into, you know, gigantic Uh, romper room.
	I like that very apposite acronym there.
	We've been talking to David Goldman.
	Follow him, David P. Goldman, on Twitter.
	Read him in the Asia Times, the Spengler column, PJ Media, and most specifically, the book, You Will Be Assimilated, China's Plan to Sinoform the World.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	You've been listening to America First, one-on-one.

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