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Feb. 15, 2018 - Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes
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Okay, this is a new album.
Me a vocal for college bus.
She filmed video sampled.
Which video did snap?
Because you're too crazy Simple Okay The most intelligent people are always talking about the best Simple If you often say that you don't have a problem with alcohol, it's a simple Simple Don't you have a child with people you don't know Basics The guys you have in the same head as the idiots in the movies Simple The rules are very fine Hugo Boss is dressed in a Nazi The style has an importance
Simple The Dauphin are violent Basic Basic So...
Bonsoir, madame de monsieur, bienvenu sortie de Malon.
J's Gavin McInnes pier la jour au je douis c'est la saine Valentin Valentine's Day.
He said champson le rapper qui sappelle or Leon.
And the song was basic samp.
Basic samp.
Basic.
The beginning of that song is relevant.
He's a rapper who gets in trouble because when he was a little boy, basically, in his early 20s when he started out, he had lots of sexist lyrics.
Sorry, I'm a rapper.
It's 2006 and I'm going to say sexist things.
But he's since become one of the top rappers in the world.
He's known as the French M ⁇ M. Can you play the beginning of that song, Dave?
What is with this screen?
We're going to talk about her in a second.
This is probably the most titillating picture that has ever existed history.
Okay.
I'm going to confront the basics.
We're going to say simple things, because you're stupid.
Simple.
And then he goes and makes a dance 46 million views on YouTube.
But anyway, he had an award recently for best, most popular guy because he sells the most records and is the most popular rapper in France.
But back in when he was 24, this was 2000, what was it, 6?
He had a line in a song.
And it was actually, the song was about Valentine's Day.
It was about St. Valentine's.
So it was kind of a parody of Valentine's Day.
Did I send you that video, Dave?
Yeah, I think I did.
Yeah, there it is.
So I don't like this kind of rap.
You just heard great dance music by a 34-year-old who's been doing this for 15 years.
But this is when he's just starting out.
And it's kind of that annoying, you know, gangster rap that the French were really into in the early aughts to mid-aughts.
But this song is the Saint Valentin song.
Just listen to it for a second.
Succe ma bitz means suck my thing.
So that's basically the chorus is sus means suck.
The chorus is performed fellatio for my Valentine's Day.
Sorry, 24-year-olds talk like that.
The Beastie Boys got in trouble for this.
They had big dinks on the stage and naked ladies and that plagued them in their later lives.
What's the matter of being horny when you're a young man?
Orléans would get on stage with women in lingerie, which is an integral part of being French, all this sexuality.
It's funny seeing France and the Me Too movement collide because they've been a very sexual culture since, I don't know, Napoleon.
Remember he used to tell Josephine not to wash when he was going to come home soon?
I'm supposed to talk about the paper.
Fat blue line, fat cops ripping off the system, saying the NYPD made me fat, so I deserve a bigger pension.
De régour, as they say.
But this is the Valentine's Day episode.
So, yeah, Orléans got in trouble.
Sorry, Oral Son got in trouble because of the line in that song we just showed that says, shut your mouth or I will make a Marie Treignaton of you.
A reference to a French actress who was killed by her pop star boyfriend Bertrand Canatat of Noir desir in 2003.
In other words, it's a joke, but jokes aren't allowed.
And they talk about the Me Too movement in that article.
But yeah, just another example of political correctness ruining everything and preventing talented people from getting the accolades they deserve.
We've got a great show today, a very Valentine's Day romantic show.
But can we just take some time out to look at the most titillating picture that has ever existed?
Make that full screen, Dave.
I am in love.
Now, I'm a brunette guy, but she's the perfect age.
She's 37.
Childless, unfortunately.
This is, of course, the Secretary Treasurer's wife.
What's her name again?
Louise Linton.
What?
Louise Linton.
Louise Linton, yes.
She's Scottish.
She was born in Edinburgh.
She grew up in a castle, rich Scottish kid.
Scotland's divided in the middle.
There's Glasgow on one side, that's the Jersey poor people.
And then there's Edinburgh with the castle.
That's the Upper East Side.
So she's an Upper East Side girl, literally grew up in a castle.
But I don't know what it is about this picture.
It's like life-changing.
I feel like we could show this to gays to convert them.
Maybe it's the indication of holding the heel because it makes us think of the times that's happened in the act.
I thought that you said Scots are ugly.
They are.
That's what also makes it crazy.
The Vikings came and took all the pretty girls hundreds of years ago and brought them to Scandinavia.
So when you find a beautiful girl in Scotland, it's something else.
And this Louise, wow.
I mean, wow.
Ladies, you want to know what men are attracted to?
A long sweater, like an Angora sweater with blue high heels in a chair and that look, that really sums up what the male libido is all about.
I'm sorry.
But this picture, it should be used in psychological examinations.
But it got me sort of on a Louise Tilton.
That's her name?
What is her name?
Louise Linton.
Louise Linton Bender.
She's married to the Secretary Treasurer.
There was a controversy a couple of years ago, was it?
Maybe last year, where she was getting off a private Trump plane, a private government plane, and she listed everything she was wearing.
I've got a Gucci pantsuit, it's worth this.
I've got these shoes, Lou Batons, they're worth $1,400.
She listed it all, and she got a snarky comment.
Now, the Scots have a problem, and they brought this, by the way, to America via the South, the rednecks, where someone says something to you, and you go, what'd you just see?
What'd you see to me?
You got a problem, Paul.
Hear you!
Hagin's too good for you, people!
And they've actually done tests where they have northerners who live above the Mason-Dixon line walk down a hallway, and there'd be these little mouth things where they go, ow.
And the northerners go, what the hell was that?
And the rednecks, the southerners would go, what was that?
Who said that?
And they'd go up to the crack and try to find who said it.
That's Scottish DNA in them.
The Scots made the rednecks.
And this is all well documented in Thomas Sowell's book, Black Rednecks, White Liberals.
Anyway, so she lashed out on Instagram and she said, oh, did you think this was a personal trip?
Adorable.
I'm exaggerating her Scottish accent.
She went to school in the States, so her accent's quite slight.
Do you think the U.S. government paid for our honeymoon or personal travel?
LOL.
Have you given more to the economy than me and my husband?
Either as an individual earner in taxes or in self-sacrifice to your country?
And she's right.
Again, facts don't care about your feelings.
Her and her husband have paid more in tax than most people will make in their entire lives.
She's married to a rich attorney.
She's an actress and a model.
Let's look at more pictures of her, even though they will pale in comparison to this.
The hottest picture of a woman ever taken, I would say.
You got some more there, Dave?
That's from her Instagram recently.
Boring.
I sent you a bunch.
There we go.
This one, she got in trouble.
They called her a movie villain in it.
She's at the, I don't know, Federal Reserve, wherever they print money with her secretary, treasurer, husband, holding black leather gloves, holding money.
Isn't it nice to see someone audacious for a change?
To see someone arrogant about being rich?
That's what I get from Make America Great Again.
Stop being ashamed.
If you're rich, be Mary Antoinette.
They're calling her America's Mary Antoinette.
This picture is good.
I don't know.
It's a bit much.
It's like Lily Allen in that sailor suit.
Yes, of course it gives me a coconut smasher, but you're playing too easy.
This one is about subtlety.
Ronald Reagan talked about that.
He said just the allusion to a kiss is much more sensual than just seeing it all.
What else do you got?
There's the Instagram picture that started the thing I told you about.
Did you think this was a personal trip?
Since deleted.
Keep going.
Got anything else?
Those are the three you sent me.
All right.
Well, I guess we should take it easy on that because nothing can come close to this goddamn photograph.
It makes my chest ache.
Anyway, we got Valentine's Day special on the show.
We have Cassie J, the woman who did Red Pill.
It's a brilliant movie where she started out mocking the men's rights movement and the whole idea of the war on men.
And then went, oh, actually, there is a war on men.
And we're going to uncover how feminism has helped her love life, i.e.
abolishing it, it got her married.
And we also are going to talk to Candace Owens, not just about feminism, but about the whole white guilt thing and how using a crutch can rot your brain.
I think they're both very similar interviews in the sense that feminism and I'm white or I'm black and my racial identity, all of this identity politics slows you down and prevents you living your life and ultimately prevents you falling in love.
Who should we start with?
Let's talk to Candice first.
"Vrai, simple, illuminati, ou pas, qu'est-ce que ça change, tu te fais..." Baby, I'm sorry, not sorry, baby, I'm sorry, not sorry...
I'm not sorry for colonialism, slavery.
I'm pretty happy with the way the Western world turned out.
As Pat Buchanan points out, we didn't start slavery, we ended it.
By the way, slavery, I don't know why you're obsessed with something from so long ago, but slavery is still going strong.
In Northern Africa, you can go buy someone from Libya.
Go to Libya, buy someone for 400 bucks if you want.
Go ahead.
God, that would be an intense dock, right?
Why doesn't some news team go do that?
Go buy a slave.
Is that legal?
Could you get arrested?
Is that like a global offense?
If it was under the guise of journalism, surely you'd have a case.
You free the guy later.
Anyway, that's attention.
Candace Owens has a new video out about white guilt.
Let's just sample it briefly, shall we?
Are you or a loved one suffering from white guilt?
Could you stop?
My name is Candace Owens, and you are watching White Guilt.
If I was walking down the street and I saw somebody punching himself in the face, I would probably keep walking.
But I can no longer ignore this trend of white guilt.
For those of you that are unaware, there is a growing group of white people in this country who have accepted the ridiculous notion that being born white automatically registers them as a social offender.
They try to right the sin of their complexion by running around social media yelling at other white people for stating their opinions.
For example, if white man A comments on Facebook, I don't think players should kneel for the national anthem, then guilty white man B swoops in like, you can't comment.
You don't have melanin in your skin.
I noticed a lot of Asians saying that.
Asians don't have melanin either, right?
I saw this thing.
It said only people with melanin can comment.
And amongst the group, there was a couple Asians in there.
Isn't melanin the pigment that makes you darker?
I don't think yellow counts as a pigment.
I don't think Asian people are yellow, by the way.
That was a disgusting joke, and I apologize.
I think that this concept of white guilt is bigger than just white guilt.
I think that it involves the notion that I'm black and everyone's out to get me.
The notion that I'm gay and every time someone's mean to me, I think I'm going to do a podcast on this.
Chadwick Moore brought it up.
He said that he thought he was, you know, everyone hated him because he was gay and they just stopped doing that.
Anti-Semitism, I think, is similar, where everything that goes wrong is the Jews.
It's all the same sort of a crutch that absolves you from personal responsibility, gets you away from data, and brings you towards feels.
Well, facts don't care about your feelings, as Ben Shapiro said.
And it's worth examining this bizarre trend in America, this bizarre lack of culpability.
Let's talk to Candace about it right now.
Candace, are you there?
I am here.
We were just watching your white guilt video.
And it's, so this is when white people see the world as it's their fault, they've done everything bad.
But I think you can extrapolate this concept to the opposite, which is I'm a victim, everyone's out to get me.
And Chadwick Moore was talking about this.
He said, people used to be mean to me, and I'd go, oh, it's because I'm gay.
And then one day I just turned a switch in my head and I realized, no, people are just ass, and it's got nothing to do with my sexual preferences.
That's literally exactly what it is.
People are insane today, and all of a sudden they bought into this media concept.
That's what it really is.
The media is overselling this concept that if you are white, you should automatically be guilty because there are all of these other groups that don't get to benefit because you're white.
And I thought this was just like an insane concept that was never going to click or gel.
But apparently, I go into my comments and there are white people arguing about you shouldn't talk because you don't understand this because you're not black or you're not, you know, a refugee, whatever it is.
It's just insane.
They're not allowed to have a moral opinion because of the color of their skin.
Yeah, I had that argument with Dante Nero, the comedian, black comedian.
And I was saying, oh, shut up.
You can't get in your car knowing if you're going to live or not.
He said, black people in my neighborhood, when we go for a drive, we don't know if we're going to make it home alive.
And I go, what?
And he goes, no, you can't talk about that because you have never lived it.
And I go, yeah, but I have access to data.
That is so dramatic.
We don't know if we're going to make it back alive.
That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.
And you know, like my entire family lives in the hood.
I'm from the hood.
That's just not, that's not a realistic thing.
But CNM says it is, so people start repeating that, apparently.
Well, it becomes a crutch to explain all your failures.
I would have a PhD in math, but the white man took it away from me.
Right.
That's exactly right.
I just tweeted the other day that what I'm seeing right now is this major split happening in the black community where it's victim versus victor mentality.
And we're tired of it.
So there's people like me that are saying we can't keep living our lives like this.
There is no value in being a victim unless you're Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, right?
And figure out how you can make cash from it.
But the only value is to understand that we live in the greatest country in the entire world.
There's so much opportunity here for everybody.
All you have to do is work hard and make good decisions, and you'll get a slice of the pie.
You know, what you're describing is really an anti-crutch mentality.
The anti-Semites, for example, everything that goes wrong, oh, I had to sign a waiver when I went snowboarding.
That's the Jews, the Jew lawyers.
They would sue you if you, blah, blah, blah.
They ruined that.
And the next thing you know, you don't have to think for yourself.
It's like when you have a calculator and you catch yourself going 10 times 10 because you're so used to using the calculator that it just becomes a crutch.
Anti-Semites, if it rains on their birthday, they blame the Jews.
And I think a lot of black people who are obsessed with racism, if something goes wrong, it's because they hate me because I'm black.
And then conversely, you have these whites doing the opposite where they go, well, I can't do that because I'm white.
I can't go see Black Panther because I'm white.
In all three cases, it's people not thinking for themselves and being logical.
It's them just relying on this.
It's almost like a cult.
It is.
And the thing that I think is most alarming is that it's being taught.
Like, I hit this in the video, but there are elements that they are taking home from school.
They're learning this throughout their education, that they are a victim.
I remember when I was in college, I was forced to take a feminism 101 class as a prerequisite.
And every single element of that class was name something bad that happens to girls.
You know, I get called fat.
And then they would say, this is because the patriarchy owns the media and they have only projected images of women that are skinny.
I swear to God, every single element of that class, you could walk in and say, I'm hungry.
And she would say, this is because the patriarchy made you feel like putting it.
Yeah, we'll let you eat.
And I would call her out on it, and she absolutely hated me in class.
You know, she made me say, after, and write, I'm a feminist on the board, which I refused to do.
I was like, I'll write something else, but I'm not writing.
I'm a feminist.
And she was like, were you sent to me from the men's department?
And I was like, no, I was sent to you from the common sense department.
Like, it can't all be because of men.
Have you noticed in school when white men get up to say something, they have this caveat they start with where they go, I just want to say before I get started that I'm a white male and I'm obviously speaking in a position of privilege, so my words mean less than yours.
I was one, and then they start the question.
Yeah, it's so stupid, and it's unfortunate that they can't see through it, that this is sort of just being created for them.
And it's pathetic.
It's really pathetic to see people walk around with their tail between their legs because of the way that they were born.
I personally think that that is purely a white person thing, though.
I don't think you could possibly scam the black community into hating ourselves.
I said in the video, I can't picture Rihanna like black people, we just don't get it.
It's just so crazy, you know, it's just insane.
But that's true globally.
I mean, I can't imagine a Mexican, a Samoan.
I can't imagine any other group.
Maybe Japanese are sort of doing it because it's the white thing to do.
It's actually becoming, like, I think a lot of people who want to be wasps are taking on ethnomasochism and hating Trump because they want to be white.
It's like the cool thing to do.
Right.
It's the cool thing to do, they think.
And they also think it's like a token of their education, which is just, it's gone absolutely berserk.
Every single day I look at CNN and you see these people write these pathetic articles, these pathetic opinion pieces that, you know, it's all my fault and I need to just shut up so black people can say things.
And it doesn't make any sense.
There's anybody has the right to state how they feel About a moral position.
You have a right to say that you think strangling puppies is wrong.
You have a right to look at a case and say, I think Casey Anthony is guilty or not guilty.
You don't need to be a single white mother to comment on the Casey Anthony case.
I know.
Can we talk about sports if I'm not a professional athlete?
Can I talk about world history?
No one was in World War II anymore.
There's like three vets left.
It's a very slippery slope if we start to accept that notion.
Well, they do it with Halloween.
Like, you can only dress up as things that you represent.
And you're like, so I can't dress up.
I mean, I can be Gavin.
Toddler can no longer be Pocahontas.
She can't be Cinderella because she was never a princess who lost her snooper.
When can you see Black Panther?
Is it okay, like after week one?
No, actually, if you don't mind, wait until week three.
We're going to go there first.
I'm dying to see Wakanda.
Yeah, it's amazing to see what the left has done.
But I personally, I sort of appreciate these theatrics only because I think that it sort of widens people.
It wakens them up to the fact that it has gone absurd.
You can't possibly function in a society that is this politically correct.
You can't think this hard about every element of your day.
Can I comment on this post?
Can I go see this movie?
Can I have this conversation with this person?
So I don't know what they're reaching for at this point.
What is their platform that they're trying to do?
It's bizarre because they're not only wrecking 2018, everything in the past, like Friends is in reruns and they go, I can't watch this.
Everything that now they're going through the past, ruining the past.
Like Blazing Saddles is going to get destroyed soon.
It's not just the present.
It is the past and the future that they are actively trying to ruin every day.
Like I had to draw a thick line in the sand when they said things about Friends.
I'm like, that is like the greatest show ever.
It is so friendly.
It's called Friends.
It's called Friends.
It's the most apolitical show on earth.
Right.
They just, I don't know what they're doing.
They're just, you're right, they're just crawling through everything, attempting to ruin it.
And it takes people like us to speak up and call it out for what it is, which is ridiculous.
And there has to be more black people in America calling it out for what it is, which is ridiculous, which is why I'm always retweeting.
You know, there's a huge movement happening right now that I've been calling out.
The younger black people are just not messing with this narrative whatsoever.
They're making videos.
They're calling it out for what it is, which is stupid.
And as much as I can, I'm trying to perpetuate and add to their voices because it's time.
It's definitely time.
That's wonderful.
All right, last question.
You're doing all this hard work.
You're going to colleges.
You're trying to demarxify academia.
Do you ever look at these colleges and just go, I don't know if this is reparable?
I mean, when you're buying cars, there's a certain level of car where the chassis's blown out and it's rusted right to the frame and no mechanic wants to go near it.
It's easier to build one from scratch.
But we might need a Kelly Blue book for a college championship.
We might.
That is correct.
You know, I don't know.
I'm really optimistic, and that might be because I'm more focused in the black community.
Like, Charlie goes out, and he's obviously mobilizing these conservative voices, which were kind of being drowned out by these liberal lunatics.
When I go out, I'm looking for these young black conservatives, and I'm telling you, they are not, as much as CNN tries to pretend that these are all Black Lives Matters spawned, they really aren't.
My inbox is flooded with black people saying, I know something is off.
I mean, we just look at our families.
It didn't work out for our families, right?
So what are we going to just get on the same hamster wheel and repeat the same thing?
So I'm like super optimistic about the black community.
And yes, some of these colleges are infested, but that's just because many times when you see these riots and protests, they're actually funded.
These people don't even go to the colleges that they're rioting and protesting on.
Right.
We're seeing a lot of that too.
But yeah, I really think we've arrived at a turning point in funds.
So blacks within individual colleges can be saved.
But as far as colleges go, I think Brown, Berkeley, Hampshire, write them off.
Right.
Sorry.
Right.
And a lot of their donors, it's funny, a lot of the donors to these colleges reach out to me and they say, it's like, I don't even want to write checks to these colleges anymore.
And that's what Charlie realized successfully.
That's why he encourages these students to win races on schools, that they're able to control the budget.
And if we can sort of, you know, cut them off by the ankles and say, if you're going to keep promoting this lunacy, we're not going to give you any more money, then part of the battle will be won.
But unfortunately, I've heard George Soros has a spawn, and he's even worse than George Soros was.
Yeah, they are losing money.
Mizu lost, like, I think, $80 million or something from their alma mater fund.
Right.
And we tell them, we actively tell their donors, like, just don't donate until you see them making some corrections on campus.
Right.
All right, Cancer.
Well, we're out of time.
It's a pleasure as usual.
And good luck on your quest to save academia from itself.
Thank you.
And next time when it's Valentine's Day, please wear pink.
Oh, my God.
I forgot all about that.
I got to go get my wife some flowers and you some flowers, my mistress.
Yes, do that right now.
Coming up.
All right, Candace, thanks for coming on the show.
Peace.
Hey!
Hey!
Boys will be good humans.
It's a baseball shirt for looks like a five-year-old.
It's also a onesie for a baby.
Boys will be not boys, good humans.
I find this profound.
Boys is crossed out.
Now, this attitude isn't just bad for boys.
Saying boys are evil isn't just bad for boys.
It's bad for men.
And it's also bad for women because women like men, generally, and they tend to want to breed with them.
That's why there's seven and a half billion of us.
And I think feminism is hurting love.
Now, the perfect person to talk to that is the person I saw that tweet from.
Her name is Cassie J. She's got a great movie called Red Pill.
Let's tune in to her now and interview Cassie J, who did a feminist's journey into the men's rights movement.
Cassie J, are you there?
I'm here.
Hi.
Hi.
Now, Cassie J, you did the documentary Red Pill, where you started out talking about how stupid the men's rights movement is and then heard their logic and did something that people very rarely do, where you let the data take you to a conclusion.
Yes.
You look at Michael Moore's documentaries, like Bowling for Columbine, and he went, guns are bad, and I'm just going to work backwards from that conclusion.
Yeah.
No one does that.
I think a lot of documentary filmmakers start with the end goal and message and call to action campaign.
So I guess I'm an endangered breed.
And that must be the way it works.
In fact, you know, the irony is that's what pulled a lot of people into journalism in the 70s and 80s, like that, that Watergate movie with Robert Redford.
And they go, they get a scoop and they find it and they go where the data takes them.
That's exciting.
It's like being a detective.
And then they graduate and they're brainwashed by Marxism.
By the time they get to the BuzzFeed, they're just like, 10 ways, plants are sexist.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I do think that journalism ethics has really gone downhill.
And it's sad because I do think it is a respectable position to be in.
And it should be for the people.
It should be, you know, keeping everyone in the loop of corruption and what's going on.
And you shouldn't have backdoor bags of money coming to you to keep misinformation spreading.
It's a good design, generally.
If you're a plumber or even you work in finance, you're too busy to hear about what's going on with Obama's painting.
We'll do all the work and present you with the facts.
But that faded a long time ago.
Yeah.
Now, I wanted to talk about a tweet you had recently, and it was a shirt for a toddler.
It says, boys will be, no, not boys, good humans.
And the same thing on a goddamn onesie, which is for kids below one.
Yeah.
And I realized what happened with feminism is it started out saying women are valid human beings, you know, which I don't think anyone doubted in the first place.
But now it's become men are not valid human beings.
Boys, masculinity, it's something to be squashed.
It's something evil.
It's like rape.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This onesie is basically saying the default of boy is bad and we need to cross that out.
And yeah, I saw this shared on my Facebook feed by a feminist friend of mine and she was saying how much she loved it and she has a son, a baby.
So yeah, I just found it really disturbing and I posted it to Twitter and got a lot of responses that felt the same way I did, which was that it's appalling.
It is.
It's, you know, kids are getting penalized in school for being rambunctious.
It's affecting their grades.
And in the suburbs where I live, in New York, they're actually being encouraged to go to a psychiatrist and be prescribed Adderall or Ritalin or something to calm them down.
And that way their rambunctious behavior will be counted as a medical condition and it won't affect their grades.
So it's either admit, it's either become a drug addict or be penalized for it.
Yeah, yeah.
The whole Ritalin issue is a big topic that I heard a lot about during filming The Red Pill and I ended up not including it in the film, but that is definitely a men's issue, a boys' issue.
And yeah, Christina Hoff Summers talks a lot about how the boy crisis involves that educators view girls as the gold standard and boys deviate from the gold standard and we need to make them more like girls.
Boys are different than girls.
We're not the same.
I was in Israel recently and they have their cameras along the wall and stuff and they have to watch these cameras obviously like a hawk.
And they don't let young soldiers, young male soldiers, look at the cameras because they're too easily distracted.
So 100% of the soldiers monitoring these cameras are female.
And I just thought, finally, someone admits that they have different mental traits.
They are different fundamentally.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm not asking you questions here.
I just made statements.
But let me ask you something.
I have kind of a problem with the men's movement.
I often get described as being pro, I'm part of the male rights movement, but I never really fully embrace them because I find that they have this sort of like, I'm done.
I'm done with woman.
I'm washing my hands.
I'll jerk off the porn.
I don't need one in my life.
I'll cook my own meals.
Thank you.
And that's like moving away from New York because you're sick of all the political correctness.
You've got to stay and fight.
You've got to fix it.
Like, get married.
Breed.
Have kids.
Have a family.
Do you think that a lot of them have just sort of given up on chicks entirely?
Yeah, definitely.
The MGTOW is men going their own way.
Although I feel like I've won over a couple again with them saying, all right, you're at least one girl we can trust and like.
But it's very interesting because I think the red pill has kind of been a litmus test for a lot of couples.
And there have been a lot of men showing their girlfriends or wives the red pill to start the conversation.
And I personally know one feminist friend of mine was in a relationship and that film ended their relationship.
She brought him to the movie theater to watch it in Colorado.
And the very next day they broke up because of the argument they had over my movie.
And I was friends with the girl.
That's amazing.
It's just a big pile of data, though, your film.
There's no opinions in it, really.
Yeah, it really is just letting the speakers speak for themselves.
And then I obviously share my story, but in no way do I come out a staunch promoter of any agenda.
So, yeah, I think it's, I mean, I hate to think that the film is inspiring all these breakups, but it's also inspiring more girls really starting to understand the men's perspective.
Well, when I rail against feminists, people think I'm railing against women, but I always describe feminists as sort of a robot that got wet, and it's sort of going, like it's a malfunctioning woman.
A woman, a normal woman who recognizes that, you know, she should get married and have babies and at least acknowledge this incredible gift she has of creating and shaping lives.
They're happy, normal women that I love talking to.
It's these, I call them shit chests because they're like Iron Man, but you remove the glowing orb and you put poo there.
They're just like and they're busy bodies, they're angry, they want to spread their misery by blogging articles about how great it is not to have kids and how you should have a dog baby.
I think people fundamentally misunderstand what sounds like sexism because it's really just saying, I dislike broken women.
Broken women are bitches.
Yeah.
Well, you know, speaking as someone who used to be a feminist for about 10 years, I do see that, that there is, well, what I really do think is that it's just the blinders are on.
You're only looking for where do I feel offended.
And a lot of these words like misogyny or, let's see, what else would be woman hating?
I mean, all these different words that they place on things that they're offended by are subjective to what their view of misogynistic is.
So if you say a woman is more nurturing, that's misogynistic.
Or if you say women should be attached to the children when they're very young because of biological reasons and scientific studies we've done that shows the connection of the baby to the mother in their very early years are important, that they find that misogynistic.
So it's, you know, even just the word misogyny, you have to ask, well, what do you mean by that and what specifically happened to make you say that was misogynistic?
Well, hasn't it all been disproven by those monkeys?
I forget.
I think they were Capuchin.
I can't remember.
But they had monkeys, obviously not conditioned with sexism.
They're monkeys.
And the boys had a predilection for trucks and the girls had a predilection for stuffed animals and nurturing stuffed animals.
I feel like that's sort of the end of the debate, in a sense.
Yeah.
You know, I do try to think back to my feminist brain and what I was thinking back then.
Because when I became a feminist, I was living in LA.
I was 18 years old.
And I actually started a blog called The Girly Feminist, where I was trying to take back the word feminist because I had a lot of friends that were saying, you can't be a feminist, Cassie.
You don't hate men and you shave under your arms.
And so I thought there was this bad connotation with this.
And this was back in 2004, before I had a Facebook.
So I became the girly feminist, and I was trying to say that, you know, women can be feminists and also wear makeup and have grown up with Barbies and not regret that.
And, you know, all that.
So I think there definitely are feminists that are okay with the girly side.
And I also recently posted on Twitter that there's this promotional girls thing that was going on in England.
They're like grid girls that have these cute little outfits and are basically there for eye candy for the spectators.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
They banned those.
Yeah.
And feminists are split on this issue.
Some are saying that being a feminist means women could do whatever they want, and that includes choosing whatever job they want.
They chose that job.
And other feminists are saying this is degrading.
This is a bad image for young girls to see.
So, you know, I think feminism has a lot of layers and they are not all on the same page.
And, you know, so part of the reason why I dropped the label of feminists is because I do not want feminists to speak for me and I don't want to speak for feminists.
I still care about women's rights, but I do think they have the blinders on and they don't really care about men's issues.
The girly girl thing is a slippery slope because the next thing you know, you're glorifying having kids and the next thing you know, you're a pro-housewife and that's just satanic to them.
They don't want to be equal.
They want to be men and women make sh ⁇ men.
They're in action movies, kicking ass.
Every time I put on a movie, by the way, there's some woman kicking the crap out of some guy that could just crush her head with his hand.
It's frustrating.
But let's get into you as we wrap this up.
We're running out of time here.
Did I see a ring on your finger?
Ah, yes.
That's a nice four months away.
It is an engagement ring.
Getting married in June.
That's fantastic.
Do you think that your abandoning feminism led to you finding a man?
I actually do think that had a role to play in it.
Although I found my now fiancé before, while I was still a feminist before making the red pill, and he actually helped me through the process of making the red pill.
He's the cinematographer on the film, and he's my work partner as well as my everything.
So, yeah, and he wasn't a men's rights activist at all.
He grew up in Berkeley.
He grew up feminist.
But he started asking some kind of red-pilled questions.
And actually, what happened was that we had a huge argument over rape culture in a sushi restaurant where I ended up falling, crying, and hyperventilating.
And it was very embarrassing for both of us.
But I was offended by what he was asking about rape culture and talking about, well, what are the victims' responsibilities to avoid that kind of situation?
And it almost was our breakup.
And that was, I think, two years into the relationship.
Where was this with the movie?
Where were you with the movie during that fight?
This was about one month before I started The Red Pill.
So it was a tipping point, yeah.
Wow.
And so he was saying, ladies don't walk home alone at night.
And then your argument was, teach men not to rape.
And then his argument was, we do.
It's called 15 years in prison, but we can't be everywhere at all times.
Yeah, yeah.
I was bringing up the Steubenville rape case, and I was talking about how people in the media were victim blaming because they were asking what she was tweeting the night before, because apparently she was tweeting, I'm going to get effed up and go out.
And I don't know what she said on Twitter, but it was something to the effect of I'm going to be irresponsible.
And so he was saying, well, what was she doing tweeting that?
And why did she go to that party with a bunch of guys she didn't know and no one else, no buddy system and underage drinking and all that.
So yeah, it really triggered me and it was almost our downfall.
Yeah, it's a really interesting discussion.
And I think when you say women are men, men are jalapis.
We're like a Toyota Corolla From 1994, and you can crash it.
You can even open up the hood and probably fix whatever's gone wrong with it.
Women are Ferraris, and you have to watch what roads you go down.
You don't want to hit a pothole, and you can't just leave them on the road with the keys in the car.
Someone's going to steal it.
So you have to go, well, is there security?
Is it a bad neighborhood?
A Toyota Corolla, you can just drive to Bushwick, bang, bang, over anything.
It doesn't matter.
That's why we tattoo ourselves with dumb tattoos and drink bourbon not on the rocks because we can tarnish this thing.
But ladies, they're delicate.
They have to put fruit in their drink to trick their bodies so they don't know they're drinking alcohol.
That is a great discussion that you had with him.
And he was sort of red pilling himself in the fight.
Yeah, yeah.
And he knew nothing about the men's rights movement or anything.
I ended up researching for the red pill.
But he was, you know, a thinker and wants to see all sides and does value accountability and responsibility.
And, you know, I think that is something that is holding a lot of women back.
And just recently, I think maybe a couple days ago, Will Smith had a video he put up on Facebook about the difference between fault and responsibility.
It's not your fault you're abused as a child, but it's your responsibility to take that experience, learn from it, and change your life for the better.
Will Smith, the black actor guy.
Yeah, yeah.
And so it's a great video on Facebook.
Highly recommend it.
But it got me, watching his video got me thinking, like, I do think that this lack of accountability and responsibility is what's holding women back because they're looking for whoever else to blame, whether it's men or the government, the system, whatever else.
And I think every successful person, it's because we all have circumstances that happen to us that we wish shouldn't happen.
But it's the decisions you make and how you respond to those situations that makes you grow above that experience.
You know, I don't know if you can see this.
Do you see blue stuff coming from my ears?
You are blowing my mind right now.
My mind is blown.
I'm realizing now that feminism was like a wall between you and your boyfriend, preventing you guys from moving forward.
Once that wall came down, and by the way, I'm not anti-walls, just in this one scenario, I still want to build a wall.
But once that wall came down between you two, now you can grow together and make babies, make maybe five.
Oh, well, we'll see.
But yeah, yeah, no, it definitely helped our relationship with me breaking down my heart from the shell.
That's fascinating.
I mean, maybe I'm a little too fascinated by this, but that.
Can I ask you how old you are?
I'm 31.
31.
So we've got to get cooking if we're going to get five.
I know.
Yep.
Now, the marriage is in four weeks, right?
Four months, gee.
Four months.
All right.
So you're not going to be showing if you get pregnant now.
I think we can hit the ground running.
Let's get the IUD out or whatever.
Let's throw the condoms in the garbage and let's just start going.
If you want to make a boy, you have to go super deep.
Girls, the sperms are much more ambitious.
You could go anywhere.
It could be on a tissue and it'll somehow find its way.
But I think you should go boy first and then two girls, then boy, then boy.
Oh, okay.
Five.
Well, I would love to have both, so we'll see.
One is for losers.
Two is for fags.
Three is the bare minimum.
I have three and I'm ashamed of myself.
Five is when you're really cooking with gas.
And with five, the eldest is helping you with the youngest.
So it reaches a tipping point.
Yeah, but I also don't want to be outnumbered.
I think dude is the right way to go.
Yeah, we're outnumbered.
It is rough, but they form, it's like survivor.
They form allegiances sometimes with you.
It's like when we fought the Indians.
Some tribes fight each other.
Some tribes work with the colonists.
It's a Machiavellian game.
It's a war.
Cassie J, that was fascinating.
I'm really, really interested in that.
That fight in the restaurant is a whole other documentary.
Yeah.
Oh, gosh.
It'd be great if someone recreated that with actors.
I mean, it was pretty.
It was like, yeah, I was just hyperventilating and causing a scene.
It was really, yeah, it was bad.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
Well, Cassie Jen, that was great having you on the show.
I'd love to have you back.
And this is really inspiring.
Good.
Thank you.
Sounds good.
I would love to be back on the show.
Right on.
And good luck at that marriage.
And thank you for the invitation.
It's going to be great.
I can't wait to go.
All right.
See you later.
See you later.
Bye.
Ladies, you have two choices.
You can get over this war on masculinity, this war on femininity, this war on society, and you can embrace trying to be attractive and trying to have some fun, or you can go the feminist route where you end up obese, nude, and eating out of the garbage.
We have some footage of that right here, actually.
Let's check it out.
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