GabCast Bellgab.com - 12 October, 2019

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12 October, 2019

12 October, 2019 ---------- It was a Pate and switch! We promised Chine and Gunner, but you ended up with Pate and Gunner, which is just fine by any measure. Liberace!'s twelve year old computer died before this episode was able to reach its conclusion, which prevented the delivery of a major announcement! It appears we'll need another episode...

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	This is the Gap Cast, a podcast about bellgab.com.
	Call us now.
	573-837-4948.
	That number again, 573-837-4948.
	And now, here's the Gap Cast.
	You got that phone number.
	573-837-4948 if you'd like to be on the show with us tonight.
	If we can call this a show.
	I mean, at this point, I have to say, it almost seems more to be for my own self-amusement than anything else.
	I don't know to what extent we're really trying to entertain people here.
	How you doing, Pate?
	That's good.
	I'm glad you're doing great.
	I'm doing great as well.
	I'm only pretending I can hear Pate.
	I know you can't hear him.
	I can't hear him either.
	Pate, I think your microphone is muted.
	At least on Skype here, it says it is.
	Yeah, I don't know what I can quite do.
	There you go.
	How the heck did I mute my microphone?
	Yeah, I've been told that makes a difference.
	Now, I'm sticking my neck out, but that's what I've heard.
	Anyway, if you want to be on the show tonight, the number to call 573-837-4948.
	We'd be happy to hear from you, whoever you are.
	Anybody, really.
	The band, the not band, the lurkers, really anybody.
	If you want to call into the show, you're welcome to call in.
	We'd love to have you.
	And as I sit here tonight, I'm looking at this bottle of Jose Cuervo Tradicional Tequila Plata.
	This is the same bottle that I was tugging on during the last Gabcast about a month ago.
	And I think I'm going to go ahead and polish the rest of this off during tonight's broadcast.
	Pate, what are you working on over there?
	What's your poison, as the kids say?
	The other night, I bought myself a full pint of Jameson on the way home from the bar.
	Ooh, there's only about two things.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	You bought the Jameson on the way home from the bar?
	stupid 17 bucks for well you don't have a problem do you Good lord.
	I got that to dump in some coffee.
	I'm going to make Irish coffee.
	Well, you know, I guess if you're headed home from the bar, you're already out and about.
	You know you're going to need the liquor later.
	Why not stop and go ahead and grab that?
	I think there are people who would certainly shame you for having done so as I just pretended to, but I really mean it.
	I think that was a sensible move on your way home from the bar, already thoroughly inebriated to prepare for your next excursion.
	Walking.
	I always walk when I inebriate.
	I'm a responsible drinker.
	Don't you worry about getting arrested for public intoxication?
	Not that you would necessarily do anything that would initiate that initial contact with the police, but should they speak to you for any reason whatsoever, even if you're not showing your genitals to strangers or doing any of the other things that people are known to do when intoxicated, just the fact that they know you're out and about walking around, you're not stumbling, but you're drunk.
	Well, you were in Old NOLA recently, I understand, correct?
	Or was that just a good question?
	Oh, I was.
	And let me tell you, it's so overrated, by the way.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Imagine if there was like a kid zone, like a training wheels, New Orleans area.
	You know, I live right.
	I'm smacked the dab in the middle of an entertainment district here in my town.
	Walking around inebriated, as long as you're not.
	So it's expected behavior where you happen to reside is what this comes down to.
	I'm not doing cartwheels down the street.
	I'm just getting from my home to the bar or the bar to my home or somewhere to eat or something.
	Well, you know what?
	We've got a phone call.
	I'm going to go ahead and take it.
	I don't see the point in making people wait.
	I really don't.
	It's not like you've come close to winning the lottery getting through on this show.
	So it's a little bit uppity on my part to make you wait if you happen to call in.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, is this Liberace?
	Oh, you've got Lee.
	Oh, sorry, Lee, this is Gunner.
	What's going on, buddy?
	I didn't know who this was.
	I don't think anyone's ever heard your voice before, have they?
	Have you ever called in anywhere or done anything audio-wise?
	Yes, I have.
	Oh.
	I thought we had an exclusive.
	You know what?
	I'm done with you now.
	Okay, I thought this was an exclusive.
	See you.
	Have a good night.
	It's been real.
	No, go ahead.
	Two or three shows in the past.
	I've been interviewed about Dietrich a couple of times.
	One by the Patriot Outlaws.
	Oh, no, we don't allow the mentioning of other podcasts here.
	It's an anti-competitive move on my part.
	No, I'm kidding.
	The Patriot Outlaws, that is a regularly accessible podcast, regularly presented, I guess.
	It's pretty obscure.
	It's pretty obscure.
	Just a small couple, a couple that does an internet radio show out of South Carolina.
	They've been around for a while.
	He actually interviewed Dietrich for four hours by him.
	You mean Douglas Dietrich for anybody who's not clear?
	And you, let's back up just a bit.
	Douglas Dietrich, you have a long-standing beef with him.
	He has a long-standing beef with you.
	And what I have no idea of is the genesis of this.
	Where did the two of you come to be aware of one another?
	How did this all begin?
	Even before that, maybe we should tell people who Douglas Dietrich is.
	Please do that first.
	All right, well, Douglas Dietrich began sort of a career as, I don't know.
	He calls himself a renegade military historian.
	He used to call into Coast to Coast in the mid to late 2000s there.
	He would call in frequently and just go through a bunch of shit.
	And in 2008, he got an interview on Coast to Coast with Art Bell or George Norrie, excuse me.
	And after that, his little career seemed to take off in this sideshow of the UFO conferences and things like that.
	And he got onto Revolution Radio.
	And so he was there from about 2012 to 2017.
	Let me stop you right there.
	When you say renegade military history, I presume what you mean by that is he likes to suggest to people that the Japanese actually won World War II and wacky stuff like that, right?
	He does exactly that, yes.
	So he's kind of like what you get when people use the term alternative history.
	Well, he is not what you would consider to be a historical revisionist.
	He is more of a propagandist.
	And in fact, If you go back and study what he's done and what he's written and what he's claiming, it's all crap.
	There's no basis for what he's claiming at all.
	It's totally untrue.
	And in fact, I'm very surprised that he even made it onto seat to coast to coast.
	Oh, I'm not.
	Look at some of the people.
	The bar is not exactly terribly high for getting on that show.
	I mean, Sean David Morton was a fixture on that show for what, a decade and a half?
	Yeah.
	And by the way, I'm sorry.
	And there will be multiple moments tonight where you'll say something that'll just trigger me, and I have to butt in real quick.
	But I promise I won't lose my spot, and we'll get back to what you were saying.
	I sent George Norrie multiple invitations to call in tonight, and the reason I did was because, well, I'll save that for a little bit later.
	But if he does call in tonight, I'm going to urge him to have Sean David Morton on his show from prison because I desperately, I desperately want to hear, you're now receiving a call from a federal prison.
	I desperately want to hear that playing repeatedly throughout the phone call while listening to a nationally syndicated radio talk show.
	I feel like my life at that point will be completed.
	I can leave my wife and kids at that point.
	I can go just live in a canoe and float down the river and then hitchhike back up to the mouth of the Mississippi and do it all over again until I croak, should I hear that on Coast to Coast AM?
	So he was a fixture on a lot of these shows.
	He made his way onto Coast to Coast AM, which again, as I point out, the bar is not set terribly high, but he still managed to get on an overnight talk show that's on about 400 or 500 radio stations, probably closer to 400.
	I don't know what the number is, but I mean, that's kind of the big time if you're in the whole UFO woo circuit.
	I mean, I think you kind of feel like you've made it when you get to that point.
	And do you think he got a little bit more uppity and full of himself and had perhaps an undeserved level of confidence, at least undeserved in your opinion, after that appearance?
	Or was he the same after that appearance on Coast as he was prior to that appearance?
	I believe that he used his appearance on Coast to Coast to gain whatever exposure he needed to further expose himself.
	And then what happened was in presenting his material following that, he exposed himself further as being an idiot.
	If you can understand what I'm saying, if you go back through these videos of his conference presentations, you can actually hear the people in the audience reacting to what he's saying because he delivers it in such a angry, an angry manner.
	He does seem to have a lot of venom built up.
	He seems to have a lot of hostility within him.
	Pate, what were you going to say?
	I've never really watched or listened to the guy.
	I think one time at work, just for giggles, because I heard about it here on the, we're not here on the bell channel.
	I tried listening to one of his shows.
	I couldn't tell you what it was, but he was just spouting nonsense.
	I think this was his podcast long after he was doing this conference circus.
	I'm just wondering what type of stories was he on missions?
	Was he some kind of secret guy running?
	You know, kind of generally, what was the BS he was spouting in the conferences?
	Just try to boil that down to about a minute because I want to get to something else really quickly.
	Go ahead, Gunnar.
	Okay.
	Well, my consensus from what I've seen from his conferences is that he again asserts that the United States lost World War II and the Japanese and the Axis powers had won.
	I believe that.
	I'm sorry, I believe that.
	I think that's totally true.
	And he also goes into what he calls the satanic influence of the U.S. military and yada yada.
	But he cites no factual information to base these theories on.
	So we won't go into that any further.
	My involvement came much later.
	In fact, not until 2016.
	Okay, so backing up just a little bit, how did the two of you, you, Gunnar, and Dietrich, become aware of one another?
	Because he seems keenly aware of you, and his ongoing pursuits seem to be a primary focal point for you on Belgab.
	Yeah, and that I became aware of Dietrich in approximately 2012.
	He was on a radio show on GCN Genesis Communications Network, Joyce Riley, now deceased.
	That was the first I heard of him, his claims of being a U.S. Marine in combat, first Gulf War.
	He didn't reveal much at that time, but I thought there was something squirrely about the guy.
	So you say his claims of being a veteran.
	So he's not.
	That's right.
	This is stolen valor?
	Well, it's not considered stolen valor, in my opinion, but I obtained his military record.
	Yes, sir.
	He was never a U.S. Marine.
	Was he in the Armed Services in any capacity whatsoever?
	No.
	What?
	Come on.
	Are you sure you're right about that?
	Because that's such a claim to make.
	I am absolutely correct, sir.
	Wow.
	I'm absolutely correct.
	And other people have also done the research and confirmed and have received the same documents that I requested under the Freedom of Information Act.
	So let me ask you this.
	Can I use the Freedom of Information Act to determine the military's military?
	Can I verify anybody's military history that I want using the Freedom of Information Act?
	Yes, you can.
	What's the process?
	As long as you submit the proper letter and give them the basic information.
	The process is basically you submit a letter to the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, Missouri.
	And there's a specific you have to state that you're requesting the information under Freedom of Information Act.
	You need to have the person's full name, date of birth, place of birth, dates of service, whichever they've claimed, which branch of service that they claim to be, and that's pretty much it.
	And what you will end up receiving, and they're required to respond to you within 90 days, by the way, and they do this on a daily basis.
	They're very good at it.
	If you have any questions about it, there's a website that's attached to the National Archives and Records Administration.
	And you'll receive a response.
	What you'll receive is what's called releasable information under the Freedom of Information Act, which details whether or not this person actually served, when they served, what awards they were given.
	It just gives you basic information.
	It doesn't give you their medical history or their specific deployments or anything like that.
	It just gives you a basic outline of when they served or not.
	Like in Dietrich's case, for example, he was given an entry-level separation in boot camp in the third phase of Marine Corps boot camp.
	So he was booted out of the Marine Corps.
	He never graduated boot camp.
	So he is not a veteran.
	He can't receive any benefits at all.
	And he never, that's it.
	End of story.
	So let me ask you this.
	If I submitted information under the Freedom of Information Act to these people and I had incorrect information about the person I'm asking about, maybe I got their last name wrong, their middle name wrong, their date or place of birth, would the response from these people be the same in that case as it would be had I submitted entirely correct information, but they simply weren't in the military.
	In other words, I guess what I'm asking is, are you entirely positive that the information you submitted to them about him that they cross-referenced in their database?
	Are you entirely confident that information was correct?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Because I submitted also the same information to the Department of Defense Manpower Data Center, which gave me the same results.
	That he was never employed by the Department of Defense.
	Well, you submitted it twice, once to each entity, but how do you know that the information you submitted was correct to the point that they would be able to find that in their database and give you an accurate response?
	How do I know that?
	Well, can you tell me how you know?
	Yes, yes, because I got it from Dietrich himself.
	His full name, his date of birth, his place of birth.
	And this is interesting about this, too, while you're fishing for this.
	He claims that he was actually born in Taipei, Taiwan.
	Now, that's exactly what I submitted as his place of birth.
	His date of birth, October 20th, 1966, I also submitted.
	Had either of those been incorrect, or his name, Douglas Duane Dietrich, been incorrect, I would have received what is called a non-response, where it was like, you know, who?
	You know, they would have responded as, you know, we don't know.
	But, yes, I mean, and I actually have investigated other people claiming to be veterans.
	So, Gunnar, you know, You did these FOIA requests in 2016?
	Am I going to timeline record?
	Something like that.
	That's correct.
	That's correct.
	I submitted the FOIA for Dietrich in June of 2016.
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	And you did both of them at that same time, or you did the initial one and then worked on it?
	I did the initial one in June 2016, and I did it to confirm what I had seen posted by a Stephen Outram on his website.
	He had posted what is known as an NA Form 13164, which is the document that outlines a person's military service.
	I saw that he had posted an NA13164 for Dietrich, so I decided to check to validate that.
	So what I did was file my own FOIA request for Dietrich's records, and I received the exact same response.
	So that validated that.
	Oh, so you knew that it was not a fake document at that point.
	That's right.
	That's correct.
	That confirmed that it was not a fake document.
	Stephen Outram had filed his own FOIA request, and I filed my own and received the exact same document in response.
	So that confirmed that Dietrich never graduated boot camp.
	He was never a U.S. Marine.
	Now, what I did later was submit what I had found to an organization that actually tracks down fake military veterans that was run by a former Special Forces guy who is now deceased.
	And I submitted what I had to him, and he also confirmed it.
	And he posted it on his website called, it was called thisainthell.com.
	His name was John Victor Lillya, former Sergeant First Class, U.S. Army.
	And he also confirmed what I had.
	And he also showed me how to go to the Department of Defense personnel data site and post and request, put in the same information basically to validate whether or not the Department of Defense would list him as an employee.
	And what I got back from that was that Dietrich, it listed the same thing, the same dates that Dietrich was technically on active duty while in boot camp.
	And nothing followed.
	And interestingly, this also confirmed that he had not been a DOD employee prior to those dates, okay, and after, which means that his claims of being a DOD research librarian are also untrue because he claims that from age 16 to the time that he enlisted in the Marine Corps,
	that he was employed as a DOD research librarian at the Presidio in San Francisco.
	And also after he got out of the Marine Corps, which he claims.
	So that is also untrue.
	Gunner, when you submit this paperwork through FOIA, and you've got the information incorrect, and so as a result, you get what you described as a non-response, or who?
	How does that differ from sending in the correct information, but they, in fact, did not serve?
	How do the two responses differ?
	Well, they differ in the response letter itself and the way that the letter of response is presented.
	For example, and this is interesting also, because when I presented or when I requested information for, who's that, the Mars Marine guy there?
	The Mad Martian?
	No, no, the guy that Dietrich claims to be me, who is not me, who is the Mars Marine, Randy Allen Kramer.
	I also submitted a FOIA for his military service record.
	And so what I got back from him, and I use the same information, you know, and what I got back was, we have nothing on this person, basically.
	You know, it wasn't, but, but, and I had also researched other people, and I once found that even the Randy guy, when they said we have no information on this person, does that mean didn't serve nobody, or hey, you got a name slightly wrong, we can't say anything further?
	No, no, had I got something wrong, um, they would have stipulated that.
	Okay, what I'm saying, and I, and I've worked very closely with the National Personnel Records in St. Louis, and I've actually called them, and in one case, I had found that a person who actually obtained his records had two DD-214s using two different names because he changed his name.
	Okay, I'm not going to reveal that person's name, okay?
	That investigation is done, it's over, I'm not going to reveal his name.
	He's still on the internet, by the way, he's still out there, but he has he has a retired Navy corpsman, and his record is good.
	And I'm not going to punish his record as a U.S. Navy corpsman by revealing his name and going through all this.
	But I will say that he did change his name at one point, and so I ran into that.
	And so, but they leave you a phone number.
	If there's anything in question, you can actually call the person who goes through and compiles the report that they send to you.
	These people are very helpful, they're very professional, and you know, so I've had a great experience with them.
	But yeah, explaining the process to you is kind of complicated, but I can tell you that if you present the information and it's all correct, you will get a response.
	And if they come back and say this person never served, they never served.
	And if and nine times out of ten, this is what you'll get: you will get probably a record that shows a certain amount of service, or in Dietrich's case, a minimal amount of service, including an entry-level separation.
	What they cannot send you is anything that's very difficult to do.
	Personal identifying information, right?
	Right.
	Like, could they send you a picture?
	If Dietrich has.
	No, they cannot.
	So you could not.
	Okay.
	What if the picture is not naughty?
	I'm kidding.
	Gunner, okay.
	Gunner, I want to back up just a little bit here.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm still not feeling like I'm clear on this.
	Dietrich and you, how did the two of you become aware of one another?
	I mean, is this like seeking out phony claims of military service?
	Is this what put Dietrich on your radar initially?
	Or was there something prior to that?
	No.
	I have never known Dietrich prior to that, never heard of him prior to that.
	Never communicated with him prior to that.
	When I published the results and confirmed those with Stephen Outram and with John Lillia, John Lilley published them on his website also.
	And this is when Dietrich became aware of this.
	What year was that?
	Still in 2016?
	This was June 2016.
	Still, June 2016.
	And I think Lilia, well, let me go back.
	I submitted the FOIA in June 2016.
	I had the results by, I think, August.
	I contacted Lilia, asked him to review it.
	He published, he investigated himself to find out that my research was correct.
	And then he actually published those documents in September of 2016.
	And so that would have been after that, that Dietrich became aware of it and immediately started attacking myself and John Lillia and Steve Outram.
	Yeah.
	So from the time you posted this information and sort of, as you would probably say, blew his cover, he has been after you and you have been a focus of energy, his energy, and his day-to-day life, have you not?
	I mean, I'm reading here on Belgab.
	That's correct.
	That's correct.
	Someone gave Dietrich your personal info and he in turn read your address and social security number on the air.
	Is this true?
	That's correct.
	This occurred in July of 2017.
	There was a period of about five or six months that Dietrich, we heard nothing from Dietrich.
	And then all of a sudden, in June and July of 2017, he just began raging on his radio show about it.
	And in July of 2017, he apparently had one of his followers was actually a Veterans Administration employee in Muscogee, Oklahoma,
	employed as an analyzer claims analyst for the Veterans Benefits Administration in Muscogee, Oklahoma.
	His name was what the hell.
	I'm forgetting now.
	But yeah.
	And we believed, well, what happened was he worked with this guy, and he basically got our personal identifying information.
	Your person.
	Yeah.
	From the VA.
	And that was.
	That happened like in July of 2017, sir?
	That's right.
	That's right.
	I can't give you, I don't know the exact date because I don't have my notes in front of me right now, but yes, it was July 2017.
	What happened was somehow this person, Gary D. States is that the functionary at the records office that leaked your, or what do they call that?
	Well, as a claims examiner, as a claims examiner, he would have had access to VA databases at Muscogee, Oklahoma.
	And when John Lilly and I discovered that Dietrich had put this on the air, what Dietrich put on the air was our personal identifying information.
	And specifically, he put out our social security numbers, addresses, and in my case, my unlisted phone number, okay, rate of disability, all that, especially for John Lilly, too.
	He was even worse on.
	Go ahead.
	Is that legal to do such a thing?
	That is illegal.
	Well, this becomes more than what's called doxing, okay?
	Doxing, doxing is actually not illegal.
	It's frowned upon.
	It's used, You know, and it's used poorly by a lot of people.
	But what what made this rise above the doxing then?
	The social security number or yes, social security number and unlisted phone number.
	Okay, that those were the main tho those were the main things, social security numbers.
	Now, the only way he could have access to that i is is is to get it from somebody in a VA.
	And so what what was done following that in uh in August, uh, you know, I had gone over this with Lilia, and John Lilia and I both submitted separate complaints to the to the VA Inspector General filing a complaint for for privacy invasion.
	And uh, and so this this began a lot of evidence gathering.
	I submitted audio evidence against Dietrich.
	I had to learn how to use uh Audacity.
	I had to go through his shows, man.
	It was a nightmare, you know, trying to record this stuff and get it to the VA, you know.
	And so, you know, it was it was a tough time.
	And my computer went down in September, right as I was trying to admit.
	You know, I was trying to submit this information to the VA as evidence, right?
	And so that this is what happened.
	And so, you know, there was an investigation conducted by the VA Inspector General's office in Washington.
	When did that start?
	When did they start that investigation?
	Please?
	September 2017.
	I still have the records of that.
	And it ended in November 17, 2017, excuse me.
	Right.
	So now, as a result of your interactions with Douglas Dietrich, obviously he has it out not only for you, but for any other group of people with whom you associate.
	And that's manifested itself in some of the things he has happened to say about Bellgab.com.
	For instance, he has suggested that our forum is some sort of a den of child pornography traitors, which really, if that's the first place your mind goes to in trying to assign some sort of negative characteristics to a group that you don't like in terms of trying to besmirch somebody.
	I'd say that says a little something about you.
	If that's the first place your mind goes in in attacking.
	Yeah, I mean, of all the things you could say about Bellgab to attack Bellgab.
	And believe me, there's plenty.
	That?
	I mean, it's an appalling, and it's actually an accusation directly against me, honestly.
	Yeah.
	To suggest that I allow that sort of thing to occur on Bellgab.
	Go ahead.
	I perceived it as such.
	And my involvement with Bellgab began in 2017, probably July or August, I believe.
	You can go back through the beginning.
	You know, Walks at Night had begun this thread about Dietrich and his critical emissions radio show in 2016.
	And I wasn't aware of it.
	I didn't run across it until this the spring or summer of 2017, just prior to the beginning of that VA investigation involving Dietrich.
	But I did find him and introduced myself to the group there.
	And I and I've been actively involved in that ever since.
	And yes, the major thing that Dietrich did as far as Bell Gab was to claim that it was a source of pedophilia, sales of child pornography, et cetera, et cetera, run by Michael Aquino, and that I was Michael Aquino's person there.
	I know that name from somewhere, Michael Aquino.
	Who is that?
	I think he's a bit on the C2C or some joke.
	Oh, of course.
	He's one of these guys.
	Okay.
	It seems like once you become aware of one of them, you just sort of tangentially get forced to become aware of all of them.
	I'm sorry.
	Is the Michael Aquino guy, was he on the coast to coast with George Norrie?
	I'm not aware of that.
	In fact, you know, what I know of Michael Aquino, I mean, he's been interviewed as recently as last year by Michael Deacon.
	Michael Deacon's a member of Bell Gabbage, you know.
	He's been interviewed by various people, but I don't remember him ever being on coast to coast.
	I don't really follow Michael Aquino.
	The big thing with Douglas Dietrich is he claims that he was Michael Aquino's protege and claims that he was connected with him through his being a librarian at the Presidio military base.
	But we already know that that's a lie because he was never a DOD librarian employed at the Presidio.
	And so his connection to Dietrich and his accusations are well, his connection.
	Dietrich's connections to Michael Aquino are questionable.
	Michael Aquino does not acknowledge that does Aquino say anything about Dietrich?
	Like, my boy Dietrich or whatever?
	Dietrich talks.
	Aquino has consistently denied.
	Aquino has consistently denied the claims made by Douglas Dietrich.
	Consistently.
	So what is the what Douglas Dietrich wakes up in the morning and what is his day comprised of?
	I mean, you obviously, at this point, I'm sure some of it by choice, some of it you've sought out.
	At this point, you probably know a lot about the guy.
	So what does he do?
	I mean, like, what is his job?
	Does he have income?
	Is he employed, sir?
	No.
	No, and I will say this, to preface what I'm going to say.
	I have never known Douglas Dietrich personally.
	Okay?
	Never.
	I've never communicated with him.
	I initially tried to communicate with him, you know, but he didn't respond.
	And so everything Douglas Dietrich says about me is a freaking lie.
	And I'll tell you something.
	Douglas Dietrich claims to be on Social Security Disability Insurance.
	He also claims to have a life insurance policy through Veterans Group Life Insurance.
	And we know that the Veterans Group Life Insurance is a lie because he was never a veteran.
	Now, the fact that he claims he's on Social Security Disability Insurance, there's no way I can confirm that because of the Privacy Act.
	I cannot obtain those records.
	So I'm stumped at that.
	Now, as far as his daily activities, I have no idea.
	And I don't really give a shit.
	He claims that he's up all night, that he sleeps during the day, that he's some kind of vampiric kind of person.
	Who knows?
	Oh, he claims he's a vampire or something like it.
	He claims he has nanoblood, for Christ's sake.
	Nanoblood?
	How do you get some of that?
	I've been telling people I have that for a few years.
	Well, I can tell you, you know, this guy claims that at the age of 12, that he was transfused with some kind of nanoblood that left him like half-human or almost 100%.
	And you don't believe that?
	You don't believe that?
	What are you, some kind of doubting Dudley?
	What's going on here?
	I don't believe it.
	It's outrageous.
	It's outrageous.
	Doubting Dudley.
	I think the appropriate term is doubting Thomas.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm getting my terms mixed up.
	I'm for Shinson, okay?
	What do you want?
	He posts images on Facebook and elsewhere that are not of himself, that are taken from cosplay photos done by Asian people.
	He posts them on his Facebook.
	Is it furry cosplay, or is he dressing up like the girls in school for uniforms?
	Well, they're women.
	I would say that they were female-looking things dressed in military uniforms and also scantily clad women.
	I'm more into the furry cosplays myself.
	He openly claims to be a cross-dresser.
	He's weird.
	Yeah, openly.
	Oh, what are you some kind of bigot?
	It's 2019.
	Come on.
	I mean, we're all cross-dressing these days.
	There are 64 genders.
	Get with it.
	Yeah.
	He also claims to be the biological son of Adolf Hitler.
	Well, you know, I run into five or ten people per week who claim that.
	You can't hold that against him.
	I mean, come on.
	Yeah, well, I do.
	Well, because he's not.
	But that's sort of where he's at now.
	That's where he's at now.
	His followers are leaving him.
	In fact, his closest followers are leaving him.
	He claimed that he was the son of Adolf Hitler starting Christmas 2018.
	That seems like a good time to spin up that sort of a claim.
	Go ahead, Pete.
	Didn't the Chan, the Infinity Chan, make Hitler hot again around that time with the Q stuff?
	Maybe he was getting into that whole LARP, if you will, or reality.
	I'm only able to confirm your black.
	I'm speculating here.
	This was very odd because I had also requested and obtained the military records, what was releasable for his father, or George Joseph Dietrich.
	Now, hold on, wait, wait, just one second.
	Oh, you did get information on Dietrich as entry-level separation.
	So from that, you were able to figure out who his father was?
	I'm so sorry for interrupting you.
	No, no, I didn't figure it out from that.
	He had already listed his father's full name, his birth date.
	And so what I had to do is do some research.
	And I just guessed, you know, considering where his father's family was from on the place of birth, okay, we already knew the dates of service and the branch of service.
	And so, yeah, it was that simple.
	I submitted the information.
	Hold on.
	So you actually got, you got, wait, let me finish this.
	You got.
	Got proof that Adolf Hitler was enlisted in the military and fathered Dietrich?
	I'm shocked.
	That's not what I said.
	That's not what I said at all, sir.
	I wasn't listening.
	I apologize.
	Tate's conclusion seems so reasonable.
	I'm shocked.
	That's not what you said.
	Go ahead.
	What I said was that I requested him to obtain the military records or what was releasable for his father, George Joseph Dietrich.
	And I found that, indeed, his father had served honorably in the United States Navy for 24 years.
	Okay.
	And another connection I found was that they released to me his list of service assignments, his duty assignments, which included Taipei, Taiwan, from 1961 to 1963, which explained the connection between Dietrich and Taiwan, his mother, his elder sister, and himself.
	Now, his father actually retired 14 months before Douglas Dietrich was born in October of 1966.
	Now, Dietrich claims that his father was active duty or retired, and so somehow he was able to gain access to a military base based on that.
	That's total crap.
	Everybody, any veteran or former military dependent can tell you that.
	So he was lying about that.
	But I want to be careful here because I want to continue to maintain the fact that Dietrich's father, George Joseph Dietrich, had a decorated career in the United States Navy, and I will not besmirch that.
	Okay?
	That's a fact.
	I'm with you on that, Gunner.
	Don't want to besmirch anyone's services.
	So he was a WW2 veteran.
	Okay, hold on.
	I've got to stop.
	I could be getting trolled into reading this comment.
	I don't know, but I'm going to read it.
	Walks at Night on Belgab says, don't forget about Douglas Dietrich biting off his grandpa's crank.
	Is there some story about Douglas Dietrich biting off his grandfather's penis?
	Yes.
	Oh, God.
	Fucking shit.
	Yes.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Dietrich has made the claim, and I don't have those details in front of me here as far as his grandfather goes.
	But Dietrich has made the claim many times that at the age of three in 1969, they went to visit his family in Walcott, New York, W-O-L-C-O-T-T, near Rochester, New York.
	And he claims that while visiting his grandfather, that he was sexually assaulted.
	And during that assault, he claims that his grandfather, aged 80 at the time, actually, I found out when I researched that, that his 80-year-old grandfather tried to sexually molest him and that he bit his grandfather's penis off.
	Well, I have to say, I'm 130.
	As a three-year-old, I mean, I'm going to be honest.
	I'm just a three-year-old.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, you know, I mean, again, when I say to you, you're going to lob accusations at Belgab, that it's a place where child pornography is traded and trafficked.
	I stand by what I said earlier, that that probably says something more about you, that that is the go-to critique you decide reflexively to lob at Belgab.
	And why?
	Because Gunner posts there?
	That's it?
	That's all it comes down to.
	I think that's defined as projection, M.V. People who bite off their grandfather's penis at the age of three.
	I'm just going to let the microphone have.
	I need to replace a part of this microphone.
	Let's say it's not a lie.
	I don't know.
	But I just want to put this out there.
	If it happened, people who bite their grandfather's penis off at the age of three, they don't grow up to be normal adults.
	I'm Michael Van Dieven.
	Yeah.
	His grandfather didn't die in 1969.
	He died in 1973.
	Okay?
	So his penis is safe.
	He bid his grandfather's dick off in 1969, and his grandfather died as a result, but he bled out.
	His grandfather died a natural death in 1973.
	It's a fact.
	Dietrich did not do what he claims he did.
	And let me tell you something.
	There's research that I cannot divulge to you here that I have done in New York State that regards this very specific incident.
	And it's a lie.
	Total lie.
	Well, I've only sustained five to ten penile injuries in my life, all of which involved bleeding, but none of which seemed profuse enough to cause death.
	Thoughts?
	Especially 23-year-old's teeth, right?
	I won't comment.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, yeah, well, that's it for that, right?
	It's a lie.
	Who lies about something like that?
	Who lies that they were molested?
	Schizophrenic.
	Who allegedly lies, sir?
	No, I'm just.
	Well, you know, you do have to sort.
	Well, you don't have to say allegedly.
	I mean, I think enough has been presented here to call his credibility into question.
	Just my own first-hand understanding of this guy, that he would accuse Belgab of being a den of child pornography traffickers, which is a fact I know certainly not to be true, and which, by the way, if you believe to be true, you should most certainly contact the FBI forthwith and report it rather than chit-chat about it on your radio show.
	If in fact that's something you believe.
	He has no credibility anymore.
	In fact, people that he is he won't even be interviewed anymore.
	People won't even interview him anymore.
	I will.
	He's so nuts.
	I have on, I think, three separate occasions attempted to get Douglas Dietrich on the Gabcast, and I've gotten no response.
	If anyone out there is listening, and I— If you're listening, 573-837-4948.
	That's right, 573-837-4948.
	I have tried on, I think, approximately three occasions to get Douglas Dietrich on this podcast, and I've had no luck whatsoever.
	And he would be treated fairly.
	I mean, I do resent some of the accusations he's lobbed at the website, but I could set that aside emotionally and give him a fair shot at saying his piece.
	But at the same time, I would like you, Gunner, to be on the show while that's happening.
	And I think that's probably for him the deal breaker because based on everything you've presented here, which to me, you sound entirely credible, I have no reason to doubt anything you've said tonight, other than the time you critiqued Belgab's registration process.
	But other than that, I have no qualms with anything you've said here tonight.
	So you seem credible.
	I think he would have a bit of a hill to climb in presenting a case that causes people to second guess what you've presented here tonight.
	I doubt very much that Douglas would be able to counter anything that I've presented as evidence against him.
	He's totally discredited, and He's continued to deteriorate, basically.
	And you might be interested to know that some of his followers are actually now on Bellgab.
	In fact, his former producer is now on Bell Gab.
	Who is that?
	And I might.
	What's that?
	Who is that?
	His former producer.
	So, who on Belgab is that?
	That would be Barnyard Fire.
	What's the attitudinal approach of this person when using Bell Gab?
	Do they seem pro-Belgab, anti-Belgab?
	Yes.
	In fact, the person seems to be able to do it.
	Guess what?
	Pro or anti-So Belgab to deprogram themselves from Douglas P.
	Oh, okay.
	So this is a person in recovery.
	That's right.
	Oh, hold on.
	Now, I don't know how difficult it is to deprogram yourself from Doug Dietrich, but I imagine to just separate briefly.
	I was under his spell for eight years.
	It took me.
	I still have a menagerie of facial ticks.
	Well, this person was Douglas Dietrich's producer for his radio show for about a year.
	And he has been consistently making posts on the blog.
	And it might interest you to know what this person actually said about me and my research and my, you know, I mean, I basically considered this person to be a former enemy, you know, and here he is on Bell Gab now.
	But it might interest you to see for yourself what he actually said about me.
	I'm looking for it right now.
	What Barnyard Fire said.
	I would like Barnyard Fire to call in tonight.
	I have no doubt that this individual is listening tonight.
	I have no doubt of that.
	I mean, your appearance tonight, Gunner, was rather thoroughly advertised in advance.
	And I can't believe that this individual was unaware of your imminent appearance.
	Well, I don't.
	I can't vouch for his awareness or his listening or going to.
	I know that he's a member of Bell Gab, and he obviously looks around Bell Gab.
	He was making more frequent posts to the thread that Walks at Night created.
	And I'm looking for what he said about me because it's very telling.
	And it shows you what a former enemy might say about me regarding my research and the way I've tried to handle all this.
	Okay, well, let me help you with this.
	His name is what again?
	Barnyard Fire.
	Barnyard Fire.
	Okay, well, let's go to Bell Gab and we'll go to the members list.
	I'm going to click on the letter.
	Letter B.
	And we're going to find Barnyard Fire.
	Registered.
	And why can't I?
	Why can't I find it?
	Oh, yeah, it's underscores.
	That's why.
	And we'll go to show posts.
	Yes.
	Gabcast thread.
	Gunner never said nor published anything about me that would provoke people to attack anybody around me.
	Out of everyone, he is consistent and upfront with what he does.
	The blog he runs does contain useful information.
	Considering he has been gangstalked the most.
	Ooh, that sounds sexy.
	He shows good restraint, fairness, and discipline.
	Dietrich would tell me that he is creating accounts about me and such until I realized Dietrich always blames everything on Gunner and Bell Gap with a P, even if the evidence was contrary or lacking.
	That's the last post by Barnyard Fire, October 10th, 2019.
	That's correct.
	So this person is going through recovery.
	This person has been victimized.
	This person is attempting to reclaim aspects and areas of his or her life that prior were tainted and sullied by this interaction, allegedly, with Douglas Dietrich.
	And I'm happy to know that Belgab is in some way a part of the recovery process.
	Thoughts?
	Let the healing begin.
	Oh, it's beautiful.
	Okay.
	I was very surprised and encouraged by that because this is, you know, this is a person who devoted a lot of his time to Dietrich and was obviously used, manipulated, and lied to, and attacked.
	After he left Douglas Dietrich on his own accord, Douglas Dietrich used defamation and slander using his internet radio show and on YouTube against this person, as he has for anyone who lives.
	So Gunner, is a producer for Dietrich?
	Are you required to live with the guy or like be in the apartment or something?
	How bad is it?
	You're not going to entertain that fucking question because it's stupid.
	I hate stupid questions, by the way.
	Pate, stop it.
	I didn't know that either.
	It's a stupid question, man.
	It's a stupid question.
	It's, how do I describe it?
	Okay.
	It's loaded.
	Gunner?
	It's loaded and it's stupid.
	Gunner, I'm going to answer a call, but the unfortunate part is when I answer this, it's going to put you on hold.
	So I'm going to answer this call.
	Take the question.
	They've hung up.
	Okay.
	Dope.
	Yeah, it's the nature of the new Skype.
	The new Skype does not allow you to bring someone into a conference.
	You have to put the existing call on hold.
	It's a technological failure on my part.
	I need an additional audio device here.
	Here's what I'll do for you here.
	I'll make it easy.
	I'm in the Belgab right now, and I can answer questions because I'm on the Gabcast thread?
	Yeah, I'm on the Gabcast chat, so I can answer questions that way.
	I don't need to be on hold on the line if that will help you.
	So unless you have something specific that you want to ask me now, if you want to take questions like that, it would make it easier for you, just for me, to hang up.
	And we can do it that way.
	Okay, let's do it.
	I feel like we've covered everything here.
	You promised an hour.
	We're at 54 minutes.
	I think we're solid.
	I think we've covered a lot of ground here.
	So if you have a question for Gunner, the number to call is 573-837-4948.
	It's 573-837-4948.
	You can call, ask your question, and not only will your question be heard publicly by everybody in the same forum, the same venue that Gunner's call, his entire call was heard, but he will respond to your question in written form at bellgab.com.
	573-837-4948.
	If you'd like to call in and ask your question.
	So, Pate, I have to say that, first of all, I really appreciated a lot of the questions you asked, despite Gunner's assertion that one of your questions was stupid.
	I didn't.
	I'm sorry.
	No, no.
	Don't doubt yourself.
	This is a serious story.
	I was trying to be funny.
	No.
	Not a single stupid question.
	Let's see.
	Answering this call.
	See, okay.
	Let's merge the calls.
	Let's try this.
	Hold on.
	Go ahead.
	You heard an allegation of what?
	Producers were the Dietrich producers.
	Maybe, I don't know.
	I Belgab, I Belchan drunk frequently, so you see.
	But the producers were living with him or maybe in the neighborhood, or I don't know.
	That's kind of, I had the impression.
	So that wasn't a stupid question.
	You were actually exposed to information that caused you to ask that question.
	My opinion is it's a stupid question if you already know the answer to it.
	What's up, Richard Griper?
	Hello?
	What's up, buddy?
	Hey, I just had a question for Gunner.
	I think he's on hold right now.
	No, he's gone.
	I unceremoniously disconnected this call.
	He will respond to you in the gab cast thread, Richard.
	Okay, well, I have a question for him.
	He can hear my voice.
	I don't appreciate being left on hold for three weeks.
	Why is he doing that to you?
	I don't know.
	Every time he involves himself in threads of show threads, and I'm on hold, and he comes in and totally ruins the flow.
	I've talked to him about this on three occasions via email.
	I had to do it via email since PM is no longer enabled.
	And I said, look, you've got to stop ignoring Griper's calls.
	Answer the phone.
	And I don't feel like I'm getting anywhere with him based on the comments you made tonight.
	So I don't know.
	Yeah, he refuses to leave any contact information or anything like that.
	He said he has an answering machine of the old school variety with the.
	I'll bet he does.
	I'm sure he does too.
	But I mean, I have two phones in both of my ears right now.
	I'm on hold, I think, with him right now, and I'm also talking to you at the same time.
	It's very tiresome, and I wish you would just pick up the phone so this can all end.
	So, Groiper, level with me here.
	Why have you apparently gone on hiatus with your YouTube videos?
	Why is the production slowed down to a crawl?
	Why are you not creating original content?
	Not that the past content wasn't original, but we want more content, new content.
	You appear to have dropped the ball.
	What's happened here?
	I'm not sure, but I do hear a ringing.
	I'm not sure my end or your end.
	Yeah, there's nothing I can do about that.
	I'm going to get a new mixer.
	It's a problem with pre-fade versus post-fade auxiliary sends.
	That's the issue.
	Go ahead.
	MV, you had one job.
	Hey, you know what?
	There's a donate button on bellgab.com.
	If anybody wants me to buy a new mixer that's got a plethora of auxiliary sends, enough of which are pre-fade relative to post-fade, so that I can properly wire all of this, click donate, and do whatever it is you want to do there.
	I have never solicited.
	You know, I think that in the years of Gabcasts that have occurred, this is the first time I have actually solicited donations in any way whatsoever.
	And I probably should do more of that.
	I probably should ask people, hey, you know what?
	If you enjoy Bellgab, if it's been a part of your day-to-day life, if you enjoy particularly the Gab, let me tell you what.
	These Gabcasts, in some instances, you wouldn't believe some of the crap I have to set aside in order to do these.
	So if you enjoy the whole Bellgab universe, go to Bellgab.com and click on the donate button in the menu.
	And if I can accrue enough Ben Franklin's, I'll buy a proper mixer that I can use with enough auxiliary sends so that Groiper will not hear ringing and so that I can bring enough so that I can actually, like, for instance, the mixer that I'm using right now, the way that it's limited with only two auxiliary sends, one of which is pre-fade, one of which is post-fade,
	that is the reason why I cannot take callers asking questions while Gunner is on the show.
	That's why he has to hang up prior to me being able to take calls and answer their questions.
	That's the problem.
	So you can go to Bellgab, click on donate in the menu, and if you're inclined to do so, everything is appreciated.
	The more you donate, the more it will be appreciated, but really, anything is appreciated.
	Just the gesture.
	Okay, Groiper, why is it that production on your YouTube videos is it's just slowed to a crawl.
	We're all a little bit disappointed by it to the point that I had to actually unsticky your thread.
	Oh, that's all right.
	Well, I know I did.
	No, I didn't want to do that.
	It pains me to do that.
	But if you're not producing content, at some point it becomes a legitimate question.
	Why is Richard Groiper's thread sticky?
	I had to unsticky it.
	People were asking me, why is his thread stickied when this one's not?
	Why is his thread stickied when that one's not?
	Can I interrupt your question?
	Yes, I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	I had a question for you.
	I saw it in the Gabcast thread a couple days ago.
	I think he wanted to know, what was that?
	When the next Gabcast was going to be, is that correct, Richard?
	Or am I getting mixed and scale somewhere up there?
	Well, do you want to go ahead and ask him that question?
	Why don't you just ask him the question instead of asking me to ask the question that you're queuing me to ask?
	For Christ's sake.
	I'm confused.
	I figured this roadblock was enough to just stop completely here and contemplate.
	Have some Zen radio silence.
	Okay, let's have.
	I'd like 10 seconds of radio silence, everybody.
	Starting now.
	I mean it.
	Everybody, shut up.
	Hold on.
	Richard, shut those kids up, please.
	Thank you.
	Daddy's on a very important business call.
	Okay, starting now.
	Ten seconds.
	Yes, my son.
	Radio gold.
	Okay, so Richard, are you going to up the production frequency so that we can restick your thread?
	Because I don't like the way things are going.
	I don't like this trend.
	Well, I guess to be fair, I think the maybe the output of uploads has slowed down.
	Oh, it's come to a crawl.
	The quantity has gone up dramatically, as in hours.
	Because I'm doing basically, I'm just looking at his screen and reading people's comments.
	And to be honest, I get a big kick out of people tuning in just to hear me talk about nothing.
	So, I mean, if that's good enough for Bellgabbellchan.com, then I don't know what is, but I know what you're saying.
	It's not good enough.
	The one I watched, the one I watched, the one I watched, Grouper, the one I watched, I stayed awake for the whole thing.
	Normally, a podcast or George Norrie or other or, you know, Heather, any of them, put me to sleep.
	You were, I don't know.
	I was glued to the screen.
	I was sitting in my easy chair watching.
	I think you were talking about football or something.
	That was a very entertaining episode.
	I want to give you a thumbs up.
	Probably 3-8 Chubb.
	Christ Almighty.
	Two pages of Gabcast thread posts to catch up on.
	I tell you what, you guys just go ahead and enjoy yourselves while I read.
	I think just on that testimony alone, my thread should be re-stickied.
	I am Richard Groiper.
	Have a nice night.
	Okay.
	Well, you know what?
	We'll look into that.
	I just want to see Everett on a level that warrants the resticking of the thread.
	I suppose I should break character and say the quality and the well, never mind.
	No, I want you to finish that thought, please.
	Everybody wants to know.
	Oh, I was going to say, I think that's kind of part of the charm is how I've always looked at my videos and stuff.
	I don't know if anyone even analyzes it really.
	It's really not that deep, but I think the part that I enjoyed the most is making the shittiest quality video possible.
	It's just funny to me, especially, you know, like the standard videos, just not live streams or anything, but just making them with awful quality and using like horrible screenshots and using, you know, taking video of a screen because the quality is so bad.
	And I always enjoyed that just because it's so piss-poor that, I don't know, I just enjoyed that part.
	Okay, so let me back up just a second.
	Chefist posts in the Gabcast thread.
	LOL, all in caps, by the way.
	So he was really laughing hard.
	Tried calling in, but no luck.
	Ha!
	Well, call again.
	What do you want?
	Call again.
	Hey, Groiper, did you ever get your question out to Gunner that you wanted him to answer?
	Sir?
	Did you have questions for Gunner?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, I did ask.
	What was it again?
	Never answered the phone.
	Oh, I'm on hold.
	Oh, that's right.
	I mean, Gunner, listen, I want Pate Groiper.
	I both, one both of you, please, for the next 15 seconds, if you'd be silent.
	Gunner?
	Yes, sir.
	Gunner, let me ask you, just man-to-man.
	I mean, you have.
	I didn't really catch this, but Gunner was in the military, I think.
	So he's probably a little bit more of a man than I.
	So I feel more than comfortable saying to him man-to-man because he's a real man.
	Answer Groiper's call.
	Why won't you answer the phone when Groiper calls you?
	You're putting him on hold.
	You're letting him go to your answering machine, which uses analog magnetic tape.
	Why are you doing this to Groiper?
	I felt like we were a community here at Bell Gab, and the treatment of Groiper as his incoming calls roll through makes me feel otherwise.
	Go ahead, Pate.
	Well, I was just going to say, Gunner answered the call for the Marine Corps.
	That's something I don't, I don't, Richard, I don't know what service you're in, but I'm Army, so I'm just, I'm nothing.
	I'm garbage.
	Did you really serve in the Army, Pate?
	Yes, I really did.
	Okay, so Pate served in the Army.
	Groiper, what branch did you serve in?
	I was in the United States Army.
	Okay, so I was in neither.
	So really, as we're having this conversation, I feel like I have a total vagina here.
	Okay, that's great.
	Thanks.
	I'm not going to talk to you, Groiper, because you're an Army puke, man, like me.
	I'm sorry.
	It's just what we are to a Marine.
	You know what?
	I could never join the military because, number one, I don't like people telling me what to do.
	Number two, I don't like being shot at.
	So you put those two together, and the military suddenly doesn't quite feel like it's for me.
	I would have been a Marine, only I, when I enlisted at the age of 31, the recruiters were like, no, you're too old.
	Live with the shame.
	And I hung my head and walked into the Army recruitment office.
	Like, all right, what do you guys got?
	How long were you in for paid?
	I mean, where did you serve?
	What did you do?
	Seven and a half years.
	The reserve unit here went to Afghanistan.
	Really?
	Supposed to go to Haiti to help with earthquake crap.
	Instead, you just went there and helped them make their mud cookies, didn't you?
	No, we sat around in Fort Hood.
	It sucked.
	They sounded good.
	Great place.
	I hate Fort Hood.
	Northfoot, I want to give a shout out to North Fort Hood.
	That was pretty cool.
	But Fort Hood proper, no, you can have it.
	Awful, awful place.
	Not the great place, like they say.
	It's terrible.
	When there's a big sign when you drive in and it says, welcome to the great place, you don't pay attention to that noise.
	You realize you're walking into it.
	The two of you, having served in the military, let me ask you this.
	So now, I want you, you're only talking to me.
	You know what?
	This is just between the three of us.
	Forget any notion that other people, well, I might share this with Brig later because that's just what I do.
	But right now, this is just the three of us.
	And I just want to ask the two of you, you're just talking to old Lee here.
	Do you regret having served in the military?
	I mean, when you boil everything down, just weigh everything, you've got to scale everything on one side versus what's on the other side.
	Do you regret having served in the military?
	Let me start with you, Richard Groiper.
	Absolutely not.
	No.
	I enjoyed it 100%.
	Well, not 100%.
	I'll just give you a what I experienced from the military is it's basically about 95% waiting around and not really doing much.
	And the other 5% is all the excitement and the shooting and the dying and the screaming.
	So 95% of that is actually pretty laid back.
	But I was stationed, I guess, at Fort Campbell, Kentucky.
	I've never been to Fort Hood.
	I've driven by it, but it sounds like a hellhole.
	Do not ever go there.
	I don't plan to.
	Not anymore.
	Okay, Pate, what are your thoughts?
	Do you, on the whole, just everything thrown into a pile, one side of the scale relative to the other, do you regret having served in the military?
	Not at all.
	I'd do it again.
	I think you're both.
	I think you're both liars.
	I'm Michael Van Dieven, this is the Gabcast, and you guys have a good...
	No, go ahead, Pete.
	I'm just insane as old.
	Okay, let's go ahead and take a call.
	I think I know who this is.
	Go ahead, buddy.
	Jesus Christ, I love the new direction of the show.
	There's a new direction.
	Isn't that a popular Brit pop band?
	It's one year old.
	Oh, my God.
	You know, you never know where the Gabcast is going to go, where Bell Gab's going to go.
	But you know what?
	We make our own entertainment here.
	And this is great.
	Tonight has been a revelation to understand everything associated with Douglas Decret.
	Dietrich?
	Dietrich.
	Dietrich.
	Heinrich?
	Heinrich Dietrich.
	Himmler.
	Yeah, Himmler.
	That's great.
	And to hear some old voices out there, I thought Pate sounded George Norrie.
	When you listen to yourself, Pate, do you ever stand in front of the mirror and say to yourself, you know what?
	God damn it, I sound like George Norrie.
	Yeah, I sometimes contemplate getting a mustache and some boot black.
	You know, the only thing separating you from George Norrie is the voluminous amounts of poon.
	That guy's getting some poon you wouldn't believe.
	That guy's beating the beeve off with a stick.
	Are you sure you're wearing the Navy reserves?
	For me?
	See, I don't get that sort of humor.
	I wasn't in the middle too.
	Norrie Norrie was a Navy Reserve Commander or something in charge of television.
	I can't even remember.
	He used to talk about his distinguished Navy service, I do believe.
	Now, Gunner, I have a question for you.
	Could you do a FOIA request on Norrie and find out what his story is, or have you already done that?
	You know, that is an interesting, you know what?
	You throw that out as sort of a drunken throwaway comment.
	But I do want to say that that is actually rather relevant and interesting because a lot of people over the years, and by the way, George Norrie, I sent you multiple invitations to call into this show tonight, but you neither responded nor called in.
	So I think it is entirely appropriate for Pate to question your military service.
	Go ahead, Pate.
	Did I just call George Dory out on the Gabriel?
	A lot of people think that George Norrie's military service was comprised entirely of making sure the books were in compliance with the Dewey decimal system.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	They don't use that anymore.
	No, my sister's a freaking but in 1946 they did.
	Oh.
	Oh, my bad.
	How do you know?
	In other words, how do you know Pete's drunk?
	I assume it.
	I assume it.
	I think he's more like what was that old guy that pretended he was drunk, Foster Brooks?
	Remember that guy?
	Okay, I want to address something here.
	Dr. MDMD in the Gabcast thread says, Lee, auxiliary mixes are usually prefade, but levels can be controlled from the channel's auxiliary dial.
	No, that is not true.
	I just want to point out that I will send you a picture of the face of the mixer that I'm using.
	It is the Behringer Xenix Q1204 USB.
	And I can promise you that what you've just said is factually inaccurate.
	And I would thank you not to pollute the Belgab threads with inaccurate information.
	Go ahead, Chefist.
	Well, that pretty much trumped anything I had to say.
	But, yeah, I was just curious, how do you know Pete is drunk?
	He sounded rather articulate to me.
	I was not impressed.
	I thought he was drunk.
	Well, I do have about half a pint left.
	I'll take a shot right now.
	Let me ask you, Chefist, have you gotten that money back from the billboard of New York Times?
	You know what?
	I just am waiting for the right kind to call Heather up on the new show to ask her about that.
	I have never seen such a grudge.
	I mean, I have never seen someone so upset over the expenditure of cash as well.
	I think it was blown out of proportion, and I'm okay with that.
	I'm okay with it being blown out of proportion.
	Okay, I'm going to answer a call.
	I don't know who it's going to hang up on.
	This is, I'm not going to say who this is.
	Are you there, caller?
	I'm going to have to get another mixer.
	I'll bounce so you can take calls on Skype.
	That's all right.
	No, it's got nothing to do with you.
	I mean, yes, Skype has effectively.
	If you could infect a piece of software with HIV, Skype would certainly serve as an example to people of what happens when HIV works its twin fangs into a piece of software.
	But.
	But it's not a software issue.
	Look what Skype did to poor Gunner.
	I mean, he had from the very publisher that wrote Skype, he's got an operating system that can't use Skype.
	Is that not?
	Oh, I don't even want to.
	I don't want to get lawyers and bosses.
	Okay, I'm going to try to answer this again.
	We'll see what happens.
	Oh, by the way, everybody, Skype cannot be used for emergency calls.
	I was just apprised of that.
	Go ahead, buddy.
	Okay, so I just wanted to do some house cleaning on this Cabcast episode for a moment.
	Before we do that, I think we should talk about the new Ryzen processors.
	You know, people are chatting.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Let's just say that they're competitors this time.
	It's real.
	There's partnerships in the work.
	I think Intel should have competition.
	For 15 years, Intel has been able to take a shit without bothering to wipe.
	And it's about time that someone steps up to the plate.
	I agree.
	I would not disagree with that.
	And I think that there's a new world where partnerships are appearing that you would never expect.
	But getting back to the fact that you're doing a real radio here, guys, I think we need to do some.
	60 seconds, Mark.
	Yes.
	So first, I wanted to Libs give you some advice.
	I know you're talking about your mixer there, but there is a system you could use called Telos.
	With that, you could have a system where you could take calls.
	You can queue them and actually put the names of the caller and bring them on the area.
	If you're interested, I know somebody who is very well versed in them.
	We know something.
	I was looking on Craigslist in the perump area, and I noticed there's a system available, coincidentally enough, and I may purchase.
	I can get you a consultant who has worked with people at a Hall of Fame level to get that set up if you need it.
	Just let me know.
	The system that I was looking at as I perused Craigslist, which is where I go to get any sort of physical merchandise, the listing said that it had been used by a famous broadcaster.
	And right away I thought of Heather Wade.
	What do you think?
	I think that this deal is golden.
	You should go for it.
	You might even ask if you could do a trade.
	If you could mow their lawn, you might be able to get it for half price.
	I've been known to offer to mow lawns in exchange for various favors.
	Well, and the person selling has been known to offer various favors for lawns being mowed.
	Is this code?
	Is that code for something?
	Why do I sound like I have emphysema when I laugh these days?
	I don't know what's happening to me.
	Are you vaping again?
	I haven't seen the link on the site, but I want to talk to you in just a moment too, Paid.
	I'm using nicotine salts.
	It's not regular vaping, okay?
	It's nicotine.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	Okay, so second piece of house cleaning.
	I heard you mention about the chat, or not chat, but lack thereof.
	Do you want to chat again?
	Because I can also hook you up with that.
	I know some code ninjas.
	I would like a chat, and I would also like to speak with you post-show about a change that's going to be announced prior to the end of this broadcast.
	Oh, nice.
	There's a significant change coming to Bellgab, which I've not well, I sort of alluded to.
	Oh, my God.
	I need a new XLR connection on the bottom of this microphone that I built is beginning to die.
	Don't go under the microphone.
	You're flipping up.
	I can't shame myself too much.
	I mean, I built the goddamn microphone.
	What do you want from me?
	But anyway, there is a significant change to Bellgab coming that I alluded to earlier in the broadcast, which Mr. Mudking, I, or let's see, what are you going by now on Bellgab?
	I haven't logged in with that account in a really long time, so I'm still a heater.
	And I am proud to still have my shield of protection, but it's probably time for me to go to the— Are you a Belgap Hall of Famer?
	I would say no.
	I mean, Richard Groiper, what would you say?
	Do I put people to sleep or is he still on the line?
	I don't know because as soon as I answered Richard Groiper's phone call, I had nothing but a white window in Skype.
	So I don't know what's happening in that window.
	Actually, it might just be you and me right now.
	I have no idea who's here.
	Well, that's a great time to say that we need to get back together very soon and do a spec sheet and talk about that Ryzen processor.
	This is what happens when you do a show on a 12-year-old CPU.
	Go ahead, Pate.
	I said, hey, I'm into the spec sheet thing.
	We needed an emergency spec sheet earlier today.
	I'm fighting a laptop.
	Gunner was trying to figure out how to make his co-hosting happen.
	And here I am.
	I mean, again, I want to apologize to the listening audience.
	Here you are.
	The very fact of here you are is why a spec sheet is warranted.
	Okay.
	I mean, if that should tell you it's needed.
	You know, Pate exists.
	So if we're not doing a spec sheet, we're really not keeping up with our responsibilities.
	We failed the universe as a whole in that scenario.
	I mean, I feel the shame of that every day that I see that Pate's logged in.
	Some of the funniest moments I've ever heard come out of Pate's mouth.
	Curtis, how are your children?
	So there are, I can't remember the last time we were on the air.
	There were two.
	Last time there's seven now.
	Wait a minute.
	Since we've converted the faith, we've moved over to add more children.
	Wait a minute.
	How old is the youngest?
	Two.
	So I have three.
	Three total.
	I have a teenager.
	I thought the youngest would be older than two by now.
	See, I'm one of the rare people for whom time moves more slowly than perceived.
	I'm so lucky.
	You know, when the rest of you are dead, it's like I'm traveling in excess of light speed through a little capsule in space while the rest of you are dead.
	I'm having a ham sandwich.
	Go ahead, Curtis.
	Nice.
	I'm in the fun scenario of having a teenager and a toddler at the same time.
	You really screwed up.
	I was going to tell you.
	You know what?
	As they say, bag it.
	I don't know.
	I mean, what more advice can I give you?
	It keeps me young because I get to get, I get eye rolls and I get.
	Eye rolls?
	Who's rolling their eyes at you for that?
	Well, no, no, I'm talking about teenager.
	Oh, just the standard.
	Like, I say, hey, do this, do that, whatever.
	And the response is, yeah, I don't think so.
	I'm a teenager and I don't care.
	And then I look over at the toddler and I say, or the two-year-old, and I say, okay, well, you do something.
	And she just comes her foot and walks away, too.
	I got the eye rolls too.
	I'll look at my seven-year-old and I'll say, Jasmine, I want you to pull this drywall out and replace these studs with steel beams.
	And she'll look at me like, what's wrong with you?
	And I'm like, I'm your father.
	Respect me.
	Yes, I'm the foreman and the father on this job.
	And I promised a timeline of three weeks.
	Get it done.
	Oh, boy.
	You know what?
	Curtis, we've got to start doing some spec sheets, some regular spec sheets.
	Weekends are generally good for me.
	So, you know, I mean, we've talked recently about doing some spec sheets, and it just hasn't quite materialized, but I don't see any reason why it couldn't.
	I mean, this is a show, the spec sheet.
	It's a show about technology that Curtis Thornton and I, that's who's on the phone.
	It's about technology, and it's a show that Curtis and I have routinely dropped and then picked up two years later, right where we left off.
	And it's as though we never stopped doing shows.
	And Curtis and I became aware of one another simply as a result of in 2009 when I started doing the training.
	You know what?
	It's the vaping.
	Hold on.
	When Curtis and I, when I started doing the Michael VanDiven's Radio Train Wreck Show in 2009, Curtis just happened to be listening and called in.
	And I guess you became something of a, I guess, a regular caller.
	And as a result of that, we became aware of one another.
	He was a Bell Gab user.
	And the next thing you know, we were doing a show about technology.
	And listen, I know you're not supposed to toot your own horn, okay?
	I understand this.
	But I just want to tell you that I think the show you and I did together, in terms of shows about tech, it's the only listenable show about tech that's ever been produced because it's not comprised of two up-talking Silicon Valley hipsters who end every sentence as though they're asking a question when they're really making a declarative statement,
	which is some sort of a psychological aversion to having or expressing confidence, I think.
	I think it's one of the best tech shows that's ever existed.
	And it's one of the podcasting world's best kept secrets.
	And it's known as the spec sheet.
	If you go to ufoship.com, up in the menu, if you click on the spec sheet, you'll be able to listen to all the shows that we did together.
	But I think Curtis and I just had a natural because Curtis was always kind of the straight man, sort of he brought the meat and potatoes to the show.
	And I always knew just enough about tech to sort of meet him halfway, but at the same time include jokes about masturbation as we're doing the show.
	You know, it was just the right.
	Is there actually a wrong time for that joke, though?
	I mean, obviously, it's all about the delivery.
	It's kept me out of a number of jobs over the course of the last year.
	I'll tell you this.
	I would just say, don't do that in front of Dietrich from what it sounded like earlier.
	I won't question his past.
	I am entirely sympathetic as it relates to what happened with his grandfather and his grandfather's missing penis.
	Allegedly missing penis.
	I have to say, allegedly, in case I'm sued, his grandfather's penis might actually not have been removed by Douglas Dietrich's mouth.
	I hope no one exhumes the body.
	If this results in a body being exhumed, you know something?
	I want the body of John F. Kennedy exhumed and simultaneously the body of Douglas Dietrich's grandpa.
	And I want them both reported on.
	I want the results of both autopsies reported on with equal weight.
	By Carl to Rivera, right?
	I want to know the trajectory of the bullet in Kennedy's head and the presence or none of the penis of Douglas Dietrich's grandfather.
	I think you're implying collusion here.
	I want to know the CEIA's involvement in the existence or none of Douglas Dietrich's grandfather's penis.
	What if in the investigation of this you find out that Ted Cruz's father or grandfather was involved in all of it?
	I want to know if Douglas Dietrich.
	I want to know if Ted Cruz's father was present when Douglas Dietrich's grandfather's penis was removed.
	I want to know if there's some involvement there because if his grandfather, if Ted Cruz's father was there when Douglas Dietrich's grandfather's penis was removed, I'm voting for Trump.
	I don't give a shit.
	Now, hold on.
	You guys are making, you know, those are stupid questions.
	One, I mean, that's a shout out to Trump.
	Not a stupid question.
	I saw it on Belgab.
	Now, listen to me.
	Listen to me here now and hear me now.
	And believe me later, I swear I saw one of the conspiracy video things claiming that after Kennedy's body was snuck away to wherever, they cut off his Johnson and it's like in the National Freaking Archives or something.
	So if you exhume Kennedy's body, he may not have a penis.
	So if we exhume Kennedy and at the same time we exhume the body of Douglas Dietrich's grandfather.
	I want to make it clear I'm not a proponent of this.
	We might have two cadavers penisless.
	Thoughts, Curtis?
	So I think the new Ryzen processor really does.
	The specs on it are going to be amazing this season.
	I think as you're processing the photos of these cadavers, if you're using a Ryzen processor, you're going to extract a lot more information.
	Like, for instance, you'd be able to eliminate certain spectrums of light from the photographs, which would give you some indication as to the type of knife that was used to remove either the penis of John F. Kennedy, our former president, or the teeth that were used to extract.
	I would like to know if the Ryzen processor is going to enable me to make some sort of a teeth matchup forensically that were used.
	You can use your virtual penis, which you can then use.
	Well, I've said too much.
	I'm sorry.
	I'll just say this.
	If I had a Ryzen processor right now, I could get you a video, basically a deep fake video that would give you Dietrich's grandfather's penis on JFK.
	Oh, shit.
	I want to know.
	Her father thing happened.
	I mean, never mind.
	I want to know why the Warren Commission did not report on the missing penis of Douglas Dietrich's grandfather.
	It's clear that the Warren Commission was in no way interested in getting at the truth, and that's why I believe that Kennedy was assassinated in a conspiracy.
	Well, now you know why Trump didn't release all of the information when the pre-processing of the classification came up just a few years ago.
	Now we know the truth behind why some of that was still redacted.
	Son of a bitch, my tequila's all gone.
	Good lord.
	While you fill that up, pay.
	I need to.
	No, I don't have any more.
	Oh, you don't?
	Oh, wait.
	What if I were to leave the two of you here while I go do a run?
	I don't know how I'm going to get there.
	Do I take a taxi?
	Uber that, man.
	Come on.
	Can you have the Uber go pick up the liquor for you and bring it to you?
	I have the money.
	I just want the liquor.
	Rule of thumb.
	Anyone who is willing to actually use their personal vehicle as a taxi service through Uber is willing to do whatever it is you give them money for.
	Okay, so if I put in the special instructions, just bring me the liquor and shut your face.
	Done.
	And a $20 cash tip.
	$20 or whatever you feel like cash tipping them.
	That'll probably get something.
	Okay.
	I mean, that's just a general rule of thumb you can go with.
	Once you have that Uber driver there, it's pretty much whatever you got the cash for.
	You know something?
	I was the job that I'm doing now.
	I can't tell you who I'm working for because there's only one company in the country that does this.
	And if I told you what I'm doing, you know exactly who I'm working for.
	But I was recently in Fresno, California, and I tried to take an Uber, and it simply pretended that I didn't ask for an Uber.
	And then I had to go with Lyft, and the Lyft guy was right there immediately.
	It was amazing.
	I couldn't believe it.
	What is up with that?
	Who is it out there that would imagine Lyft in any way to be superior to Uber?
	That's because Lyft had the surge pricing at that moment.
	And so it was the exact same driver with both apps, and they just denied everything.
	You know what?
	I asked him about that on the way.
	I said, let me ask you something, buddy.
	What's to stop you having both the Lyft app and the Uber app on your phone at the same time?
	And he gave me a thousand different reasons as to why that was impossible.
	And then we started talking about Trump, and it was all downhill from there.
	I just, but no, I don't think that's what was happening.
	I couldn't believe it.
	I would expect, no matter where I am, I would expect superior service from Uber relative to Lyft.
	I mean, we're talking about a company that acts like it's losing billions of dollars per year.
	How does it?
	Hold on.
	I'm sorry.
	I got to mute my.
	I got to mute my mic.
	Okay.
	How is it that a company that is simply running an app that facilitates ride sharing, how is it that this company plays poor mouth year after year, pretending that they somehow, some way, for some reason, are not able to make a profit?
	All they're doing is taking some guy who's got a car and matching him up with some guy who wants a ride, putting the guy who wants a ride in the fucking car and taking him somewhere.
	How is this difficult to profit from?
	I can't understand what the problem here is for Uber.
	They act like they've got some sort of an overhead that's just absolutely killing them.
	And year after year, they're on the brink of going out of business unless something crazy breaks for them.
	I don't understand this.
	You're just matching some dude who has a bunch of empty seats in his car up with a guy who wants a ride somewhere.
	Where's the expense for Uber coming into this?
	It's like the most perfect business model that's ever existed.
	There is zero overhead for Uber themselves.
	So, why is it that year after year, they're pretending that they're just on the brink of making it.
	They don't know if they're going to be profitable this year.
	They've got billions of dollars of projected outflow of income.
	What is this?
	Because they continue to.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	Oh, Uber, they've spent so much on their research and development.
	Bullshit.
	Research and development.
	Yeah, it's real complicated.
	Taking a guy who's got one fat guy in the basement just raking in the dough, and he wants to continue to rake in the dough because his basement is now in a mansion, but he just feels comfortable in the basement of a mansion now.
	You know, he's bought multiple properties.
	It's real complicated.
	Some guy who's got a 2017 Chevy Malibu, and he has four empty seats in the car, and some fat schlub who doesn't have an automobile at the moment, that would be me, wants a ride somewhere, and they're going to put the fat schlub in this car and take him there, and he's going to pay with his credit card, and Uber's going to take a, what, 25, 50, whatever percent cut.
	I mean, that's a real complicated business model.
	I can see why they're having such a hard time.
	You've got to pay your lawyers to deal with driver lawsuits when the driver inappropriately touches Liberace in the back seat because he's passed.
	That happens to me only once or twice for every 14 rights.
	Because the driver wasn't cute enough or whatever.
	And then, you know, lawyers get into it and they suck it all up.
	And then next thing you know, there's a class of action from one side or the other.
	Well, the biggest thing is that the moment you report profits of any kind of reasonable number, you can't nickel and dime your drivers for everything since there's literally nothing stopping you from going to Craigslist.
	Michael Van Diven's preferred choice for physical products and then promoting your services and saying that I'll drive you from here to there and I'll do it for $10.
	Hey, on Craigslist, I go there for the products, but I stayed for the interesting people that you meet trying to purchase something.
	And the whoas.
	Yeah, and do it in the parking lot at Walmart or something.
	Can you still get a prostitute on Craigslist?
	I'm asking for a friend.
	Well, have you Ubered lately?
	Ask your driver.
	Will the Uber take you to a hoo-a that you met on Craigslist?
	I mean, you are really utilizing the internet at that point, aren't you?
	I think that creates like a singularity if you do that, but it'll work out in your favor, I'm sure.
	You know, at that point, it's like, you know what?
	Goddamn, that Gordon Moore, I'm glad he had something to do with Intel.
	The fact that I had a ride to this beeve that I'm about to pound, Gordon Moore played a central role.
	I'm going to go knock on his front door and offer him a few packets of free hot cocoa that I purchased at Aalty.
	Go ahead, Pete.
	The silver lining here is this is what you get when this is the silver lining.
	This is when you open up the internet and the vast capabilities of the technology to the people.
	They don't just have to go into some little strip mall, kind of shady place on the bad side of town and get some crappy VHS porn.
	I mean, Gordon Moore gets hot cocoa.
	I mean, they can just go directly to the corner.
	Why did I add an extra syllable to the word cocoa?
	I don't know.
	Go ahead, Curtis.
	I really don't know that I have anything valuable to add to that.
	Okay, well, having said that, Curtis, I'm going to have to unceremoniously hang up on you.
	But I will tell you, Curtis, that the sooner we can do some more spec sheet shows for the listeners, the better.
	He wanted to talk to me on the sideline for a second there.
	Well, that's not going to happen now, is it?
	He'll have to PM me.
	Hey, buddy, I know you're.
	I can't PM you.
	I've disabled PMs.
	I don't know what it is you think is going to happen for you here, but he's not going to be PMing you anytime soon.
	Hogg on Bellgab makes a comment.
	Liberace made a comment.
	Boy, that's almost meta.
	Hogg makes a comment that Liberace made a comment that he needs to get a chat room running as he couldn't keep up with the thread.
	I don't think he has set one up yet.
	He may not remember that he talked about it last show.
	Peace.
	By the way, I am keenly aware.
	I am the most self-aware drunk that has ever existed in the course of humanity.
	And I realized that I said this on the last show, but I repeat it because it's entirely true.
	So the slurred words that you're hearing now, I apologize for them, but I've polished off the last time we did a Gabcast show.
	I bought a bottle of Tequila.
	It's Holo Jose Cuervo Tradicional Tequila Plata.
	And the last time we did a show, I polished off about 60% of this bottle.
	And tonight I finished off the final 40%.
	So for anyone who says MV, aka Liberace is a drunk.
	I'm not a drunk.
	I'm just simply drunk.
	There's a vast difference between the two.
	It's amazing the difference that the letter or the article A makes with or without its inclusion in a sentence.
	Liberace is drunk.
	Liberace is a drunk.
	Can you imagine the mountains, the voluminous amount of difference that that one little tiny letter makes with or without its inclusion in a sentence?
	Liberace is drunk.
	Liberace is a drunk.
	No.
	Let me tell you something.
	I've had this bottle of tequila sitting on a shelf for a month now.
	It's been almost exactly a month since the last gabcast, and I'm finally getting around to polishing off the rest of this bottle.
	Do you think a drunk would take a month to polish off a bottle of tequila?
	Pete, you're a drunk.
	What do you think about that?
	What are your opinions?
	I think Belchan is a safe space.
	And I don't know what hashtag I need.
	I'm not a hashtag Twitter type guy.
	Oh, I am.
	I think it's shameful that they would do that.
	What was it, a preposition or an article?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	You think it's shameful that they would do what?
	That they would call you out based on.
	Because I would drink during a gabcast.
	I mean, the thing that's got to be understood by everybody is that these gabcasts are produced and executed explicitly and specifically for my personal enjoyment and nothing more.
	If the listening audience happens to enjoy the gabcast, that's a bonus.
	That's a bow tie on the top of the box.
	But I'm here to enjoy myself after a full week of working my face off.
	You know what?
	Guess what?
	I'd like to have a little bit of tequila and sit down and shoot the shit with the rest of you and enjoy myself.
	Sorry!
	Doesn't make me a drunk.
	I'm still, I'm actually probably one of the more sober people that you've ever met.
	Go ahead, Pete.
	I'm just going to note, just historically, and maybe this belongs, because we're talking about, you know, this is a gabcast, a podcast about Belgab, Belchan, or whatever the hell you call this site.
	I'm kind of drunk myself.
	Whatever you want.
	A drunk.
	No, you are a drunk.
	That's the difference.
	You are a drunk.
	You are a drunk.
	You're buying liquor on the way home from the bar while you're walking home inebriated, and you want to tell me you're not a drunk?
	You are a drunk.
	You've got a problem, dude.
	You've got a disease.
	That was a week ago.
	That was a week ago, and it sat untouched in my kitchen.
	I think, well, maybe not untouched.
	I drank two fingers out of it when I got home.
	Yeah, see, what a drunk.
	I have a problem.
	But then I set it down and it sat there for a week.
	And I was like, well, let me ask you this, Pate.
	Stop right there.
	Just stop.
	Just simple points.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Historically, historically, what happened with women's suffrage?
	What did we get shortly thereafter?
	Prohibition, sir.
	I noticed this is.
	That's why women can't be trusted.
	Yeah, well, that's where I would go.
	Go.
	I mean, look at some of the atrocious ideas women have had throughout history.
	Women gave us the prohibition movement.
	I guess it was because their husbands were beating them while drunk.
	And so a bunch of women got together and decided that they would make it constitutionally mandated that nobody be able to drink.
	Well, guess what?
	That shit was retracted just a few short years later.
	And how many people died as a direct result of that edict?
	I don't know.
	Well, you know, to take your point and drive on, I think every woman born on the planet has a little bit of the communist in them.
	They just can't be trusted politically.
	I'm not going to try to characterize your marriage or your relationship with your wife or anybody else.
	She's a terrorist.
	Just looking around, it seems like women are always communists in that you have all the ability and she has all the need.
	Would you say that's a fair just generalization for any relationship?
	I would say I earn.
	Now, my wife does work, but I earn probably earn something like four times more money than my wife does.
	I'm looking for a lady who earns four times more money.
	And she certainly depends on the money that I earn.
	So, yes, my wife is in a position of need relative to her awareness and interaction with me.
	So that I can start my company, Man of Leisure Incorporated.
	Yes, that sounds delicious.
	What I'm trying to say is that my wife should be pregnant and barefoot in our kitchen.
	I have a set of pearls in a box.
	I'm trying to put them on her.
	I throw them over.
	There we go.
	My microphone's messing up.
	There we go.
	I throw them over her head, but the problem is her heat job gets in the way, and I can't quite get them over her head.
	In order for her to properly wear the pearls, she's got this stupid Burka on.
	I don't even know for sure that it's her.
	I'm assuming it's her, but I can't quite make out.
	It's not enough to see only the eyes.
	That's the only point I'm trying to make to you.
	I assume when I come home every day that it's my wife, but the Burka, you know, I have questions about it.
	Go ahead, Pate.
	Slow down, buddy.
	I'm getting to 1516ths chub here.
	I don't know what's happening to the audience, but they might be drifting off to the porns now.
	Be careful.
	Be careful, man.
	Breathe, breathe, breathe.
	I've got water here.
	I'm taking this.
	You know, I've been looking at the listener count since the beginning of this show, and we have actually rather steadily maintained our listening audience.
	So I'm not particularly concerned about that.
	I don't think the two of us are doing anything wrong.
	I'm just simply trying to make the point to the listening audience that my wife's Burka might, in fact, be a cover for an imposter existing and or living within our home on a routine basis.
	And I find it disconcerting.
	And if I could simply get those pearls over all of the cloth bull crap that she's wearing, I might be able to get her to quit her job.
	That's what I'm trying to do.
	I'm trying to get my wife to quit her job.
	It's like, I make four times more money than you do.
	What are you doing?
	Stop working.
	But she just won't do it.
	She's just so driven.
	And that's how liberal I am.
	That's how progressive and advanced I am.
	That's how new male I am.
	I may as well be the Justin True Joe of the Americas that I allow my wife, I allow her to continue working, even though I make four times more money than she does.
	It's really something to watch.
	Are you happy with it?
	I think that's the most important thing, us all being Americans, allegedly.
	Are you happy with your situation?
	I mean, do you dread waking up in the morning and going to do whatever it is that you do?
	Let's just say that I repeatedly watch news reports about Scott and Lacey Peterson, and I say to myself, I understand.
	I understand.
	I understand.
	And I just rock back and forth as I chant that to myself.
	I understand.
	He went back to the beach after the murder was committed.
	I understand.
	They found his unborn infant child floating about 10 feet away from Lacey Peterson, connected only by an umbilical cord.
	I understand.
	So I'm just trying to tell you, yes, I approve, and I don't know why you would question it.
	I don't even, I think you're, I'm going to go to the beach now.
	I don't even know.
	Were you.
	You know something?
	I want to ask you this, Pate.
	Recently, this kind of inspires a different direction in my mind, commentary-wise.
	I have recently been watching this documentary on Netflix.
	It's called Making a Murderer.
	It's about Scott Avery.
	Is that his name?
	Scott Avery, Stan Avery, Steve Avery.
	Stephen Avery.
	Is that his name?
	Stephen Avery?
	I'm not absolutely 100%.
	Are you aware of the documentary to which I refer?
	I think so.
	Okay.
	Can you give me a who's Scott?
	Scott Avery, you're saying?
	Stephen Avery.
	And he's got a nephew named Brendan Avery.
	Stephen Avery was convicted of murder of this woman named Teresa Hallbach.
	She was a photographer for Auto Trader Magazine.
	They had a junkyard, an auto salvage yard in Manitowoc County, Wisconsin.
	And this woman came to the she had three stops that day that she was going to make, taking photos of automobiles to include those photos in Auto Trader magazine.
	She goes to the Stephen Avery property at Avery Salvage.
	And the next thing you know, her bones are found in a burn pile on the property.
	Stephen Avery's DNA.
	Oh, let me add this before I go to that.
	Her vehicle that she drove to the property is found at Avery Salvage Tucked away in a corner of the property covered up with a bunch of wood and trees and whatnot.
	Stephen Avery's blood is found both inside the automobile and his DNA is found on the hood latch.
	His nephew, which I believe this was a coerced confession, his nephew confesses to police that he and his uncle Steve Avery, this is Brendan Dassey is the name of the nephew.
	He confesses to police that both he and his uncle Stephen Avery raped and stabbed and shot and slashed the throat of Teresa Hallbach and that he recalls seeing body parts in this fire burning on the property of Stephen Avery, this Avery auto salvage.
	And the problem with Brendan Dassey, his confession, this is the nephew of Stephen Avery.
	The problem with Brendan Dassey's confession, confection, he was making cakes, and the problem with those cakes is he was not using high-quality icing.
	No, the problem, the actually confection, I guess, is candy, not cakes, isn't it?
	The problem with Stephen, with Brendan Dassey's confession, is that he's borderline retarded.
	And I don't use retarded in the sort of colloquial sense.
	I mean, if we can throw political correctness aside and stop pretending there's certain words we're not allowed to use, if I simply say retarded, you understand immediately what it is that I mean.
	I guess I could also say intellectually challenged.
	He's special needs.
	I guess that's what we could say.
	Brendan Dassey gives this confession to the police and says that both he and his uncle Steve Avery killed this Teresa Hallbach together.
	And it looks as though the police planted information in Brendan Dassey's head and suggested things to him in such a way.
	You'd have to watch the documentary Making a Murder.
	I just said he's special needs.
	Does that not mean slow to you?
	It's a safe place.
	I mean, he's just a little slow.
	Okay, I guess you're a couple Guinnesses in at this point.
	Yes, he is special needs.
	And when you watch this documentary, Making a Murderer, it becomes apparent that the confession of Brendan Dassey was in some way manufactured by police who manipulated the fact that he was special needs,
	that his IQ was approximately room temperature, the fact that he simply wanted to please the police because they led him to believe that if he simply said X, Y, or Z, he would be allowed to go home and go on with his life and eventually have a family and not have to go to jail.
	So he apparently, as a result of what the police said to him, he told them what they wanted to hear.
	And now he's in jail.
	And Stephen Avery, his uncle, is in jail.
	And I would, you know, this documentary actually came out, I think, in 2015.
	And I didn't watch it because stuff like this just tends to make me angry and upset.
	Like if I watch some documentary about a guy who's in jail and obviously doesn't deserve to be there, it just, I don't know, there's like, like a lot of people I remember going out watching, for instance, ISIS and al-Qaeda beheading videos.
	I can't watch that stuff.
	It just bothers me on a level.
	It just bothers me on a level that I can't begin to express to you.
	And so I deliberately refrained from exposing myself to that kind of thing.
	And this whole making a murderer thing, I deliberately refrained from exposing myself to that for years because I felt like it's just going to upset me.
	And then I finally watched it and I'm coming away from it saying to myself, this Stephen Avery guy that I thought I was about to watch a documentary about a guy that is clearly guilt that is clearly innocent, but he's been unjustly convicted of a crime.
	And I'm watching this thing and I'm saying to myself, okay, so his DNA from sweat was found on the hood latch of the vehicle of Teresa Hallbach, which was found on his property.
	His blood was found inside her vehicle.
	Her blood was found inside his vehicle.
	Her bones were found inside a burn pit on his property.
	He lied to the police about having a fire that night on his property.
	He told the police that he did not have a fire on his property when he did.
	And you just start adding all this stuff up and you say to yourself, this guy is so clearly guilty, but the motive of this documentary obviously is to leave me with the feeling that Stephen Avery is in jail unjustly.
	And I'm watching this saying to myself, I've never seen someone so obviously guilty of a crime.
	And the thing that happened was years prior in 1985, he was convicted of a rape that he did not commit.
	And DNA later exonerated him.
	He was released from jail in 2003.
	And subsequent to his 2003 release, he had a lawsuit pending against the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department and Manitowoc County itself.
	And that lawsuit amounted to something like $35 million.
	And so it's like, dude, here you are.
	You just got released from prison in 2003 for something you didn't do.
	And you've got this lawsuit pending that might net you and your attorneys something on the order of 35 mil.
	And you're going to go kill this girl on your property?
	And it seems to me, since everyone knew he was exonerated from the first crime, everyone knew he was wrongly convicted.
	It seems to me that because he had a room temperature IQ, just like his nephew, Brendan Dassey, the whole family seems kind of dense.
	And it seems to me that in his mind, he thought, okay, well, you know what?
	I got off on that first one, which he definitely did not do that first one.
	The DNA of the actual guy was found from pubic hairs that were combed off of the victim in a rape kit.
	It took 18 years for the technology to come along in order for that DNA evidence to be processed.
	And that's what released him from that prior conviction.
	And it seems to me that maybe what happened was he got a big head and something within him changed over the course of that 18 years in prison.
	I mean, 18 years.
	Think about your own life.
	18 years.
	Where were you 18 years ago?
	What were you doing 18 years ago?
	What were your life circumstances 18 years ago?
	That is a solid chunk of time.
	18 years is a lot.
	So imagine spending that time in prison and then imagine the various ways you could change while you're in prison for those 18 years.
	And then imagine what it is that happened to this Stephen Avery guy while he was in prison.
	I think he probably changed while he was in there.
	Something happened to him.
	Some switches were flipped, perhaps, in his mind.
	He gets out.
	He's got this lawsuit against the county.
	He's the most celebrated exonerated prisoner, former prisoner in the entire United States.
	The Innocence Project has his picture all over their website everywhere you look relative to the story of former prisoners who were subsequently exonerated.
	His face, his picture, his name is everywhere where the subject of exonerated prisoners is concerned.
	And I think he got a big head.
	And because of his room temperature IQ, and I don't say that as an insult, he literally has an IQ of about 70.
	And as a result of his IQ, he has poor coping skills.
	And I think that the big head that he got because of all the attention he was receiving, coupled with his poor coping skills, his low IQ, he actually believed that because of all of the favorable attention he was getting,
	that if he committed this crime against this girl, nobody would ever possibly believe that he committed the crime because he was in the midst of this lawsuit against the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department and the county itself.
	And everybody would say it's in Wisconsin.
	And everybody would say, everybody would say, oh, well, he had this lawsuit.
	Manitowoc County clearly cannot afford to pay $35 million.
	It's a tiny county.
	It's a working class community.
	There's no way they have $35 million worth of discretionary income just sitting there to pay out to Stephen Avery this hayseed that the sheriff's department hates, that the police department hates, that the county administration hates.
	And so what he's going to do is commit this crime, and there's no way anybody will believe he did it because he's got this pending lawsuit, and everybody will think that the county framed him in order to prevent that $35 million payout.
	And I'm watching this documentary, and I'm saying to myself, this clearly was constructed for the purpose of me feeling sorry for Stephen Avery.
	But the only person I'm feeling sorry for is for his borderline retarded nephew, Brendan Dassey.
	And I know there are a lot of people who are listening to this right now who have not seen this documentary, who have no idea what I'm talking about, and their only exposure to this case is what I've said to them just now.
	But then I know there are a lot of people who have seen this documentary and know everything relative to or related to what I'm discussing and mentioning and bringing forth to you right now.
	And I'm sure the opinions on what I've just said run the gamut.
	But it's, I've never seen someone who, let me ask you this.
	You take a random guy, a woman is taking pictures for an auto trader magazine or something, whatever.
	Her final appointment for that day is on this dude's property.
	Nobody hears from her after she goes to that dude's property.
	Her vehicle is found on that dude's property.
	Her bones are found in a burn pit on that dude's property.
	The dude who owns the property, his DNA, his blood is found in her vehicle.
	What conclusion can you possibly reach after something like that happens?
	I mean, the evidence, it just seems so obviously clear to me that this guy did it.
	And the premise of, I guess, there are truthers.
	They call themselves truthers as it relates to the Stephen Avery case, the people who believe he's not guilty.
	They believe he's been framed.
	I'm sorry, I'm a little bit drunk.
	There are people who believe he's been framed and they call themselves truthers.
	And the primary reason they believe he's been framed is because within the Manitowoc County evidence chambers or evidence room, there is a kit containing the blood of Stephen Avery from that 1985 rape case.
	They actually took his blood.
	They put it in a tube.
	And the top of that tube has a puncture mark on it.
	And so because of that puncture mark, they believe that deputies from the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department took that blood out of that tube and they spread it within the vehicle of this Teresa Hallbach in order to frame Stephen Avery so that the county would not have to pay out $35 million.
	That is what these people believe.
	It's the most absurd thing I've ever witnessed in my life.
	I mean, the precision with which everybody involved in this conspiracy would have to operate in order not to ruin their lives, their careers, in order not to destroy their families and everything they've worked for in their lives just to frame this guy.
	I mean, imagine yourself being a cop, a sheriff's deputy.
	And there's this guy who got exonerated from a crime and made your sheriff's department look like a collection of fools, which the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department were made to look like after his exoneration because they clearly did not have their shit together.
	But imagine yourself working for that sheriff's department and saying, I'm going to put my career on the line.
	I'm going to put my life, my very life on the line.
	I'm going to put my family on the line.
	I'm going to put all of my earnings on the line.
	I'm going to put all my reputation on the line just to frame this guy who has a pending lawsuit against the county for which, by the way, I am not directly and personally liable.
	Why would you do that as a police officer?
	Why would you be that invested in whether or not the stupid county that you work for is going to have to pay this guy that you put your entire existence on the line to frame some guy?
	They took her job.
	The guy's worried about his job, obviously.
	I mean, come on, obvious.
	I'm really not defending any of this.
	used to be an ardent believer in the kennedy assassination conspiracy theories and when you got to you well got to you they got to you sir i used Used to be obsessed with the Kennedy assassination.
	And I know things about the Kennedy assassination that are not natural for any person to know who's ever touched the naked breast of a woman.
	I mean, the fact that I've had sex.
	I want Jack Starr call in.
	I want Jack Star to call in.
	I would love him to call in.
	I would love him to call in.
	I think if Jack Starr called in and he wanted to debate me on the Kennedy assassination, I think I would destroy him.
	I think I would destroy anybody who wants to call in on the Kennedy assassination and make claims as to the conspiracy theories that exist.
	I used to be an ardent believer in the Kennedy assassination, conspiracy theories, and what it was that led to the death of JFK and the secrets that were being kept by the government.
	But as time has gone on and I've learned more and more and I've read more and more, and more recently, I read a book by Vincent Bugliosi called Reclaiming History.
	And frankly, let me say something.
	If you have not read Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi, I'm not interested in your opinion on the Kennedy assassination.
	Vincent Bugliosi is the prosecutor that prosecuted the Manson family murders.
	And he's an entirely credible individual.
	He has no dog in the race or dog in the hunt, whatever the old saying is.
	He has no reason to propagandize for the government or for the Warren Commission.
	If you haven't read that book, it's about 1,400 or 1,600 pages long, I can't remember.
	But I've read it twice because every time I've read that book, I've come to the end of the book realizing that there were things I missed as I was going through it.
	And I probably need to read it a third time.
	But if you've not read Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi, I don't give two shits what you think about the Kennedy assassination.
	Because if you can read that book, which is entirely factually based and logically based, and come away from it saying to yourself, yeah, but you know what?
	The Dictebelt recording from the House Assassinations Committee in 1979, if you can come away from that book saying shit like that to me, then there's no point in me bothering to have a conversation with you because you're not plugged into any sort of what I would call factual information.
	And one of the things that strikes me about the Kennedy assassination is that in order for it to have been pulled off, in order for the Warren Commission to have been what people purport it to be, a commission that existed for the explicit purpose of covering up a homicide and not any homicide, but a homicide perpetrated against the president of the United States of America.
	So you're telling me that all of these members of the Warren Commission are going to serve for the explicit and understood and direct purpose of effectively being accessories after the fact.
	You're telling me that all of these distinguished gentlemen who were lawyers, celebrated individuals who worked their asses off their entire lives, went to school, studied hard, became successful individuals, respected professionally and personally.
	They put all of that on the line just to serve as accessories after the fact in the murder of the president of the United States.
	For what purpose?
	And I can't tell you how many individuals that served on the Warren Commission, not only the primary members of the Warren Commission, but their staff members that served under them, who said, we were looking for something that could prove a conspiracy.
	We were looking for anything that we could point to to say the government did something here.
	What people were told about the Kennedy assassination is not what happened because that would have made political careers.
	That would have made fortunes.
	Could you imagine being the guy on the Warren Commission who steps forward to say, I'm here to point out to you that the government's official story of what happened is not the case in the Kennedy assassination.
	The political career that would have been made as a result of that, the fortunes that could have been built as a result of being that guy on the Warren Commission who found something that he could bring to the American people to confirm whatever suspicions already inherently resided within their minds.
	There was every incentive on the part of every member of the Warren Commission to find something that they could point out to the American people for self-interest.
	It was in their self-interest to find something as individuals on that commission that they could point to to tell the American people, yes, there was conspiracy.
	Yes, you were lied to.
	Yes, there are people who should go to jail.
	And they couldn't find it.
	They couldn't find it.
	And one of the points that gets made in the Reclaiming History book is, you know what?
	There's this, I forget his name.
	He was one of the underlings serving under Arlen Specter or somebody else on the Warren Commission.
	And he says, if I could have found something like that, I would have been the next senator from Ohio, not John Glenn.
	I would have been the next senator from Ohio.
	That was the thinking among the people on the Warren Commission.
	So then I look at a case like the Steven Avery case, and I'm thinking to myself, what purpose does it serve for the individuals working within the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department to put their entire lives on the line for a payout, a civil case payout that doesn't necessarily affect them, really?
	It's not going to revenge.
	If the county doesn't, well, yeah, revenge, but at what cost?
	I mean, you know, you have to do a cost-benefit analysis, a risk versus benefit analysis.
	And I mean, if you're a sheriff's deputy on the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department.
	There goes your job and you'll never have another job anywhere in the family.
	There goes everything you've ever had in your life.
	And not only that, but you'll be in prison.
	And not only will you be in prison, you'll be in prison as a former law enforcement officer, which is one of the worst circumstances under which you could possibly be in prison.
	I've been with you a long time, buddy.
	You know, when you first started talking about that show, I thought you were talking about, there was another, I don't know if it was on Amazon Prime or Netflix, but Netflix.
	Crazy.
	No, yours was, but I thought briefly initially that you were talking about there made the news.
	It was a pizza delivery guy or something that had like this bomb thing constructed around his neck, and it was a treasure hunt deal, and they blew his head off.
	They like they detonated this device.
	There was a documentary on that one.
	I thought maybe you were talking about that one.
	No.
	Disturbing as hell to watch.
	I can't believe I watched that one.
	Oh, man.
	That was just.
	I think it was making of a monster.
	Making a murderer.
	No, that's the one you're talking about.
	The one I'm talking about.
	Oh, it's called Making a Monster?
	Or Monster or something?
	I can't remember.
	I'd like to forget, actually, that I spent time watching that.
	But I wonder if it's the same set of producers that came up with your making of a murderer TV series.
	I've been kind of trying to Google that stuff.
	Well, I tell you what, if you want to look into that during the break here, we're going to take a quick break.
	And during this break, I want to play some spots for you that were produced by someone.
	His name.
	Well, his name is Gary, and he is a Bellgab user, but I don't really want to be responsible for saying his full name.
	His name is Gary.
	He's a Bellgab user, and he produced some spots that I think everybody's going to appreciate.
	So we're going to play these during the break, and then we're going to come back.
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	Crazy.
	Bellgab was a fun place.
	Fun forum to hang out at.
	I'm Belgab Brigg, and I approve this message.
	Bellgab was a fun place.
	Fun.
	I guess Art liked it.
	Can you believe that?
	You know what I mean?
	It really is magical.
	And that's probably why he liked it.
	But there's a big reaction to it, and people always go, yeah, wow.
	We used to do cool stuff on there.
	We had a thread on there that was all swirling sewer.
	And of course, there was the big, long, gigantic Art Bell thread.
	Yeah, wow.
	Crazy, right?
	I don't know what in the world happened.
	I guess me, I happened.
	You know what I mean?
	Bellgab.
	That's B-E-L-L-G-A-B.
	Bellgab, fun forum website to hang out at.
	Bellgab.
	One ringy dinghy.
	The next move I want to thank is the Bellgab website.
	Believe it or not, once upon a time, you know, Belgab was a fun place.
	These are incredible people.
	Fun forum.
	Now, the Belgab website, that's B-E-L-L-G-A-B.
	These are people that are swirling sewer.
	Energetic, a little cruel at times.
	I guess me.
	I happened.
	But definitely vaguely lovable.
	There was a bunch of cool people on there.
	Saucy Rossi was one of them.
	The Belgab gang deserves a great big thank you.
	Thank you.
	It really is magical.
	And that's probably why he liked it.
	I'm Belle Gap-Rigg, and I approve this message.
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	Fill that in the bow.
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	Isn't that great, though?

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