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15 April, 2017

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	Thank you to Saga for sharing their awesome music from their 2014 album, Saga City.
	That was done with none only, none other than Belgab's own MV helping with the vocals on that.
	So thank you to Saga for starting us out for this most epic of events.
	Tonight was supposed to include Jazz Munda, the Thunder from Downunda, but unfortunately family events made that not able to happen.
	So instead, we not only got replacements, but we got upgrades in Yorkshire PUD and Shredny Vashtar, who from this point forward I will be calling YP and SV.
	How are you guys doing?
	Good evening.
	We're fine.
	Fine.
	Good evening.
	Awesome.
	So are you guys as pumped as I am to have the Bell Gaba-thon 2017?
	Yes, I mean, what's the totalizer up to?
	I'm sure we're into four figures by now already, aren't we?
	I suppose you're not familiar with Live Aid, but our version of Live Aid was back in the 80s now.
	We had Bob Geldorf doing it.
	And there was this famous bit when he just blew his top on live TV and said, just give me your fucking money.
	And so I think.
	Hey, Naz, that was fantastic.
	That was a good rendition.
	Yeah.
	So is my Northern Irish.
	And so, yeah, so every so often we'll just break the audience to dig into their genes and give us what spare change they have in their pockets.
	Yes, don't send us blankets.
	Send us your cash.
	Just send us your cash.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Yeah, just send us cash.
	Send us your cash.
	In the form of PayPal.
	And to do that, you can go to bellgab.com and in the upper left-hand corner, there's the donate button.
	That is going to be what you hear over and over tonight is the official way to donate money.
	Make sure in the notes for that that you're putting in Belgaba-thon.
	I don't care how you spell the damn thing, just write Belgabhon in there.
	And you kind of took some of the thunder there.
	I was going to kind of save this till later as the big announcement, but Bob Geldoff will be a part of the show later too.
	Oh, excellent.
	Good.
	I expect that.
	Wait, the thing about donating is we want to know, there was a previous member of Bellgab, who is quite fond of asking for donations, you know, and he doesn't always spend the money wisely.
	So are we going to have a full sort of, you know, is he going to be sort of an itemized so we know exactly that the money's being spent where it should be and it's not going to be wasted on sort of Apple TV and visits to Cinnabon and so on.
	I mean, I'm sure that MV is going to provide us with a full breakdown of how he spent this all the vast fortune that he's going to be given at the end of this.
	Yeah, I nominate you to be the person to do the auditing after the fact.
	Yeah, I'm sure that'll go down well.
	Yes.
	Well, according to some of the things out there on the internet, people like to say about MV, maybe he should have a few less donuts.
	I'm not saying that, but I mean, I've read things.
	I don't know.
	Yes.
	And hopefully, since we're right on time, nothing was out of place.
	Everything worked exactly like we expected it to.
	We're right on time.
	He's been sitting listening for the last 15 minutes as we've done this.
	Yes, it all went smooth, didn't it?
	It did.
	Yes.
	Hey, at least I got a chance to do a practice opening.
	That's helpful.
	Well, nobody got to hear it either, did they?
	That's the thing.
	It sort of just went out.
	It'll be fine when it goes out live.
	It'll be fantastic.
	Yes.
	The second one is much better than the first.
	If anyone wants to give us a call, you can do so using Skype by looking for live show, all one word, space 99.
	You can hit us up on there, or you can go on your just landline phone.
	You're paying for the call.
	We're not because this is a Belgabathon.
	The money should go to MV, not to us.
	Or we shouldn't have to pay anything.
	Our budget right now is negative $2,500.
	And that's just what he's got.
	When you say the money's going to MV, of course, the host do get something on the back end.
	I mean, that's in the contract that I signed before the show went out.
	So, you know, I mean, that's sort of implied, isn't it?
	That's the disbursements for their time and effort and so on.
	I don't know.
	I didn't, but did you get your rider fulfilled on this one, SV?
	Well, yes, I mean, I don't like to discuss this, you know.
	No.
	I know it's a bit vulgar, but why if you had the MM, we made sure that they were all blue MMs in that tray.
	So.
	Oh.
	Oh, that's where it went wrong.
	Oh.
	Well, the one nice thing is you guys do get to take over what Jasmunda was going to get for it.
	So here, if you want to hold on a minute, your payment is on its way.
	Oh, gosh, where'd it go?
	Hold on.
	Our donations in pounds or dollars?
	That's a good question, actually.
	I don't know.
	What's the current rate?
	I think they're nearly parity, aren't they?
	Oh, wait, it just came in.
	The horse is here.
	There you go.
	So you get to take over for him.
	Yeah, of course.
	Yes, Jazz loves the horses, doesn't he?
	Yeah.
	Well, I don't even want to know where MV was able to find the briefcase full of horse porn that he has provided for.
	But I'm sure you guys will enjoy that.
	So in our chat room, anyone who is not in our chat room currently, you need to go to ufoship.com slash chat.
	That'll get you there.
	And you can also listen to the show live there.
	We did have an issue that MV realized with the live stream.
	And so he's changed hosts for that.
	So it's on a new Shoutcast host, but it should be working.
	If it's not and you want to listen to the show, we're also simulcasting.
	If you go to TuneIn and look for podcast.solutions, then you'll find it there.
	But the preferred method to listen to it would be going to ufoship.com slash chat and you can call us.
	I don't know if I gave out the phone number, which is 317-708-45.
	Yeah, 708-4500 is a great way to reach us.
	I see people in the chat room asking about that already because our phone lines, I'm totally confident, are going to light up during this thing.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Yes.
	Are we still minus 2,500 or has it gone down?
	So down up a little bit.
	Well, something twitched.
	I don't know what that was, though.
	Oh.
	We don't have a sound, you know, that one sort of bank of phone line sound effect.
	You want something in the background.
	Sort of a team of well-known people answering phones and taking donations and everything.
	Pledges.
	Yeah, if you want to hold on, actually, I can put my mic towards the area where our bank of phone callers are or answers.
	They're very busy.
	Sounds like the phone lines are just lit up.
	Give us your fucking money.
	Give me the money, LeBowski.
	Do you still have the telephone?
	Because it was always presented by Jerry Lewis, wasn't it?
	Over there?
	Yeah.
	Do they still, is that still a thing?
	I think they didn't do it this year.
	And the phone number for the chat room are asking, it's 317-708-4500.
	I promise to mess that up multiple more times throughout the show.
	For Skype, if anyone's not in the United States, they want to call on Skype.
	What's the address for them?
	Yeah, they can look for live show space 99.
	That'll get them connected.
	So we've got our first caller.
	Let me see if I can get them on the line.
	Please be kind.
	Oh, wait.
	They hung up.
	They're so call back.
	We'll get you back on here.
	There we go.
	It's nice to have instant.
	You're on the line, calling.
	How's it going?
	This is me, Damon.
	Hey, Damon, how are you?
	Hey, Damon.
	Hello.
	Yeah, I want to say hello to our fellow sewer gabblers.
	Stop you with safe.
	Good evening.
	And yeah, so I will be donating some money to Awesome MV because without MV and Belgab, we would not have met.
	That is true.
	You make a great point.
	We wouldn't have the internet either.
	It's true.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	Because we know that George Sinta and Al Gorf attended the internet.
	Yeah, actually, it's amazing.
	I heard penicillin was invented through Belgab as well.
	Yeah, and microwave ovens.
	Think of all the venereal diseases that wouldn't have been solved if it hadn't been for Bellgab.
	Well, not just solved, but actually invented it.
	That's true.
	It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy, isn't it?
	And good old horseporn at horsepornclot comes.
	Yes.
	Hold on with that.
	So, Damon, what was the thing that brought you to Belgab?
	Was it a search for George Norrie Sucks?
	Was it Art Bell related?
	What was it that started your journey down the Belgab road?
	It was initially for get more information about Art Bell initially because you know after Halloween of 2010, he officially left coast to coast.
	I was kind of curious what happened to him.
	They think took him back to their home planet or whatever.
	So, of course, Bellgap at that time was Coast Gab popped up and got saw George Norrie's info, Art Bell, blah, blah, blah.
	So that's what initially brought me to Belgab of December 2012.
	What would you say is the biggest moment in Bell Gab's history for you?
	Where was the moment where you thought, wow, this place is more than just a site that I'm going to go post pictures of myself or comments responding about Art Bell?
	What was the wow moment for you?
	The first wild moment was actually having Arpell and Dwarf Snoy in the exact same thread commenting.
	That's kind of like that, holy shit, this is a real thing.
	And of course, the ventures with Falky's, which I was without Ballgap, I would never know Dorcento.
	And the Center.
	Never mind.
	Yeah, that's the monster when I called it to the LA show.
	And, of course, I started doing videos because of eagle called Torcenta.
	I posted videos daily life cold tests, the live streams and stuff.
	So if Twitch can do it, I can do it.
	That's right.
	That's the attitude.
	I agree.
	Yeah, he's an inspiration.
	How many hours do you think you've logged in the musings thread?
	I lost count.
	Like for many of us.
	Like so many young men of your time and generation, you've lost count of the hours you've spent there.
	Yes.
	I like the smell of the Torcenta's thread in the morning.
	It's like your morning coffee?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, start every day.
	A lot of people don't go on the Falky thread.
	They're scared of it, aren't they?
	They just stay away.
	They just have absolutely no interest.
	I mean, I was like that for quite a while.
	I kept seeing this thread going and it would just block up the whole recent posting.
	Did you Falky Falky Falky?
	Oh, God, who the hell's that?
	And I never went there.
	But then you sort of get on you and it just gradually sucks you in.
	It's just a black hole of sleighs and negativity.
	You're far too modest.
	You're far too modest.
	Some of the funniest posts were posted by you.
	I was going to say, I found that the amount of time you spend on the Falky thread is directly related to your own self-worth.
	That's me.
	Then I'm kicking around in the depths of despair.
	That's why sometimes I like disappear for a while.
	And then when I remember what I really feel about myself, I show up and start posting again.
	Yeah, I'm just looking at Falky Thread.
	It has over 3,405,658 views so far.
	So tell me why the hell I can make a thread that does that, but then I can't make a million dollars on the web.
	I can't make the next Facebook.
	I don't know.
	That's the story of my life right there, man.
	The thing is somebody like that, he could be a kind of a low sort of level viral phenomenon in a way, but he's so kind of mulish and lazy.
	He wouldn't do that.
	There's no way that he could make a success of anything.
	He'd automatically sort of immediately undercut any chance he had of being successful at anything.
	If he was prepared to allow people to make fun of him instead of taking himself seriously all the time, and he was able to just sort of run with it, I think people would sort of go along with him.
	But he just cannot do it.
	So the Falkey Freed goes on despite him.
	I mean, he constantly goes on.
	If he wins the lottery, I think if he wins the lottery, he'd buy that bell gap and shut it down and then sue MV for let's be honest.
	If he won the lottery, the first thing he'd do was sue the lottery authority for having numbers that weren't appropriate or something.
	Or that the bus ride to get to pick up the money is too long and his back hurt.
	He would he would, yes.
	He can't make a success of anything.
	So yeah, if he did win the lottery, he'd piss it away in about three weeks, you know, and be stuck in these living in his hovel again, almost certainly.
	I mean, he's like the typical company, you know, the lottery winners who...
	I mean, the lottery winners, you know, the sensible ones, you never hear of them.
	It's the people who want to be photographed in the newspapers with...
	Do you remember that guy who won it in Norfolk, didn't he?
	And he won about £11 million.
	Was his name Parrot or something?
	He bought a property and he basically said he basically, it was a beautiful place that he bought.
	And he basically turned the entire back garden into a great big motocross course that he invited all his friends and they had quad bikes and they basically just turned it into a mud pile and he fritted the he lost the entire lot.
	It was incredible.
	Yeah.
	It was incredible.
	I don't remember the bit that motocross but it probably yes I'm probably thinking about the same one yeah.
	And, but yes, I mean Falky's, just something.
	Well, he'd probably just buy loads of, he'd just fill it.
	He'd just buy a buy house and just fill it with crap, and then eventually it would, the whole thing would incinerate, probably, and they'd end up being sued by his neighbours who he'd probably burn down their houses as well, and it would all it would.
	It wouldn't be, it wouldn't work out well.
	But um yes, that's the, that's the Falkey story.
	But, as I say, a lot of people just don't, who've gone Belgab, just don't read that thread because um, I think I think they're afraid they'll catch a disease or something from from it.
	You know it's um, it is a, it's an acquired taste and uh, but yes, there's a lot of hardened, there's a hardened group of um of weirdos who uh, who inhabit that thread and uh, but it's uh, it gets people in.
	I think, I don't think I can, i'm hard to imagine there's anything quite like that anywhere else on uh, on the internet, the Falkey thread.
	I just don't think.
	Uh, it's a, it's never really going to um be emulated anywhere else.
	That's probably a good thing actually yeah, probably is like like all viruses that have the potential to wipe out humanity.
	It's probably better to be contained in a small space like Bellgab.
	Yes, it's one of those labs, isn't it?
	It's just, you know, we don't want to break the glass, we just want to keep you in the.
	Yeah, we don't uh, infect the outside world, but every so often i'd like to kind of spread that, if you could, if you can, occasionally someone on twitter or something, you can get someone totally um I, I managed to find some, this British academic a few weeks ago.
	I managed to sort of introduce the name George Sender into his uh, into his consciousness and uh, it kind of amused me for several days afterwards, the picture of the of him with his um, you know, with the duct tape uh, because his duct tape to his head, but he's much, he's.
	He's evolved now though, because if you, if you think about it, he's now uh, he's now culturing micro uh organisms in his uh, amash beard, isn't he?
	Um yes, and in his face and the the bed yeah, the bed bug bites and everything yes, a corner, a cornucopia of crustaceans, you know, it's uh, it's an entomologist delight really, I mean.
	I bet there's new species actually developing in there.
	I wouldn't be surprised.
	Yes.
	I bet David Assenborough.
	David Assembly would have a field day, wouldn't he?
	You know, he'd go and it's here we see the sender with this incredible beard.
	Yes, I don't think I don't think many people on this side of the on that side of the Atlantic probably heard of David Assenborough, would they?
	But in a way, wasn't Damon Adenborough the guy who uh he did more than just the the nature stuff, right?
	What else was he famous for?
	Are you thinking of his brother Richard?
	Oh, Richard was in Jurassic Park.
	Richard was an actor and a director.
	Yeah.
	He did Jurassic Park amongst others.
	Oh, he did Gandhi as well.
	And he did what was the one with the runners?
	Cherry Safire.
	No, he didn't do Chariot Sapphire.
	Oh, he didn't?
	No.
	Yes, he did.
	Are they actually directed Chari Safire?
	That's Colin Welland.
	I stand corrected.
	It was Colin Welland.
	I'm counting on you guys, all right?
	You're the fact-based part of this entire thing.
	You do that from Jasmine.
	Exactly.
	I would hear about drop bears or something from him.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, so, Damon, what would you say related to Falki is your shining moment?
	Would it be Mr. Spock's multiple communications as different people with him and the website?
	Yeah, that's something is the best because I sent the George Nori down club site and trolled him that way.
	That was, I think, the best because he is so global.
	He's like, I send one email, so I'll give you some money and stuff, blah, blah, blah.
	And as I click on Sneaker and his stuff, I'm going basically.
	And of course, that's one night I would type in GeorgeNoriGap.org, and seems to be like a porn site.
	that's pretty good so you you get you impersonate other people to fall south here You're not his webmaster, Justin, as well, are you?
	No, no, I'm not.
	But if so, I've seen very weird emails.
	No, I'm not Justin, but I did stay the whole day in.
	And you've stood outside the hovel before, right?
	Or at least the area that it was in?
	Yes, I was right near the place.
	And because when I go back to my hometown of Roseville, it's just only an hour and a half two hours away, basically.
	I go there, boom.
	And I stopped by the movie raising the money for the cat food, basically.
	Yeah, that puts you in a very unique fraternity of people that you've got Paperboy, right, who's been there, you, and, gosh, who is the other person I'm trying to think of?
	Probably the most violently active of Falkyites.
	What's the dude's name?
	Oh, Little Chris.
	Has Little Chris been by there?
	It wouldn't surprise me if he has been.
	Yeah, I think so.
	He would not.
	Roseworth, well.
	Maybe she didn't live.
	Didn't even live anywhere in California, does she?
	It would have been cool if you could do a special show right by the Falky's place and so maybe you can catch the sight of the Fenton monster and stuff.
	Catch it in its natural environment.
	Yeah.
	Check and see which day is payday in California for its be the first of every month.
	So it's someone won't respond to that to the bank and get his money and stuff.
	Well, you need to be there when he does like picks up the.
	You need to do behind the scenes haul video where you're showing him going looking for everything that's clearance, so that it can be in the.
	And then you, I would do that if I have more time.
	But, unlike Falkey, I do work for a living and so I did work down at SF 42, so it's like in Palmdale, so it's like it's really the.
	Just, I do work for a living, so it's So now I can go after in the old time.
	Basically, Well, I'll just put it like this.
	Don't feel guilty about this or anything, but art has a stalker, and I have yet to see George Sunda have one.
	So if you can't step up.
	I don't think that's actually going to happen.
	I mean, he's never going to be gamekeeper-turned poacher, is he?
	I got that the wrong way around.
	He's never going to be poacher-turned gamekeeper.
	Well, being the poacher as the gamekeeper actually works out pretty well for him, right?
	Hey, I've just noticed a couple of things.
	Ali says, now they're talking about David Attenborough.
	They think we have no idea about who they're talking about.
	Well, I just assumed everybody had heard of David Attenborough.
	He's an international treasure.
	Yeah, well, you know, for me, all British people run together, so that's why I thought he was Richard.
	And then radioactivity, which I think is an excellent point, said everything I know about the UK, I learned from Monty Python, Top Gear, and Time Team.
	I can't top that.
	I think those three things are probably perfect.
	What's Time Team?
	I don't know that one.
	Time Team.
	I'll let F S V tell you because he's more educated than I am, so he can tell you.
	Well, they're a bunch of archaeologists, aren't they?
	They find some spot in the... Tony Robinson, didn't Tony Robinson introduce it?
	Yes, that's right, Tony Robinson.
	I don't know if anyone ever familiar with Blackadder over there, but he played Baldrick.
	And so, yeah, and he's, I don't know why they always have to, I think they're sort of given a time limit or something to dig up some lump of bit of Roman pottery or whatever.
	And so, yeah, I've hardly ever seen it, actually, but yeah, Time Team's been going for decades now, I should think.
	But, yeah.
	I've seen about as much Time Team as I've seen Top Gear, actually.
	Oh, no, you watched Top Gear.
	Well, I know it's not on now, but did you not watch it when it was on?
	No, I didn't really.
	I've never really been a fan of Jeremy Clarkson.
	I thought that was a requirement.
	I thought everyone was born in the UK with a requirement to be a fan of him.
	I used to go to school with James May.
	I was in the same class.
	Not the same class.
	I was in the same year as him at school.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	And he's exactly the same as he was when he was at school.
	So how could you guys do on the course, though, if you were timed in whatever awesome car you'd be driving on?
	Say again.
	Cash out.
	How do you think you would be in the top 10 in terms of the time on the track?
	Who?
	You either.
	You are.
	Oh, God.
	About 10 minutes.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	the reasonably priced car as I always like to do you have anything Do you have anything similar over there?
	Do you have anything like Top Gear or is it a particularly British?
	Well, we've imported our own American version of it.
	And I've watched multiple episodes of the British version, but all I watched was the trailer for the US one, and I was done with it.
	We've got nothing that we have mixes cars and just pop culture and the interview style as well as that does, but there's been other attempts to clone it.
	Because it's not on here.
	Because Jeremy Clarkson punched one of his production staff.
	Yeah, I did.
	And he got the boots.
	And now it's been taken over.
	No, we've imported American guy from Friends.
	Right, exactly.
	Joey, Joey from Friends.
	Does my microphone sound okay or does it sound a bit mushy?
	I just fixed it.
	It should be fine now.
	Yeah, it was on my end.
	Okay.
	But yeah.
	Yeah, well, what the BBC did, they didn't sack him.
	They just didn't renew his contract because he's self-employed.
	Oh, really?
	They didn't just write, they didn't re-up.
	They just let him run out today.
	They have a new show, though, right?
	Yeah, I think they went to Amazon, didn't they, or something?
	That's right.
	Yeah, it's on Amazon.
	It's called The Grand Tour, which if you think about it, it's Top Gear with the same letters.
	They've just transposed them.
	And the three of them just go all around the world.
	I mean, Amazon must have thrown millions at this.
	They must have done.
	They just go all over the world.
	Actually, Top Gear just turned into this phenomenon because it used to be this very dull little show presented by men with beards, you know, and it was a really sort of basic, just, I mean, they were just sort of just driving cars and telling all its really interesting place, and you can get a fridge, a washing machine, and all the old groceries in at once.
	And when Jeremy Clarkson got there, he said, I can't listen to this boring shite.
	I'm going to make it different.
	And that's basically what happened.
	Yeah, so it's all very sort of sensible.
	And then, yes, then he just took it over and it turned into this what it became.
	Well, it certainly worked for them.
	It took off and it became this phenomenon.
	But yeah, it certainly didn't used to be like that.
	Oh, no, it used to be a little bit...
	Yeah, all they did was just...
	I mean, it was little about the cars, unless the cars had produced 500 brake horsepower at the back axle and went 0-60 in two and a half seconds, you know.
	If it didn't do that, they weren't really interested.
	Right.
	Well, and the whole thing is that, like, almost every car they're talking about, they're the average British person or American could never afford, right?
	So it's all about the fact that it's the same kind of thing that people watch cookery shows, isn't it?
	I mean, they really, you know, they have no intention of making what was built up to, you know, they just watch, you know, it's just a show, isn't it?
	It's got no sort of application in the real world.
	Wasn't there a big issue with the current group now on Top Gear?
	They did some stunt where they went past a historic war memorial.
	Yeah, that was Matt LeBlanc with, is he called Chris Block, that stunt driver, rally driver, in American rally drive.
	And they went past the Cenotaph in Whitehall in London and they did a burnout with the car and Chris Evans immediately distanced himself from it and actually said on air, because he has a radio show in the UK on radio too.
	And I think he actually said on air, he absolutely thought it was reprehensible.
	Leave it to Americans to show up and screw everything up.
	Well, I don't know.
	I mean, the thing was, they must have gone to the producers and said, can we do this?
	And the producer said yes.
	You know, so, you know, somebody got it wrong.
	Yeah, well, they were just trying to generate hype, right?
	Because they didn't have the personalities.
	So it worked.
	So I've mentioned this to you, YP, that I've been obsessed with the British TV show of Grand Designs with Kevin McLeod.
	I've decided when I grow up, he's who I want to be.
	Do you think I can make that happen?
	Or do you do is Kevin McLeod even famous enough in grand designs?
	Because they acted like when Netflix brought it over to the U.S., they acted like this was the biggest thing to happen to America since the Mayflower landed.
	I don't even know what Grand Designs is.
	I feel like I should know, but I'm not familiar with it.
	I can't say I've heard of it, but I'm not familiar with it.
	I don't know if I've seen it.
	Netflix ripped me off.
	Netflix ripped me off then.
	Well, let me jump back here.
	Damon, thank you for calling.
	Do you have anything else for us?
	No, not right now.
	If I could be easy, I'll call you guys back later on the show.
	I just want our ways live on and prosper and keep up good work.
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	It gets us one step closer to getting the year's worth of server hosting paid for, which again, our goal tonight is $1,200.
	So your donation will definitely help us with that.
	And if everyone listening, if you go to bellgab.com, click or mash many times the donate button on the upper left-hand corner in the menu, make sure you put in the note and you too, Damon, say Bellgaba-thon so that we know that's the reason why that donation happened.
	So MV can come back and make sure to thank all of us profusely for putting this together for him.
	Okay, I'll do that then.
	All right, thank you.
	And I guess I'll talk to you guys later then.
	All right, sounds good.
	Yeah, there is no rule to this podcast that you can only call once.
	You can call as many times as you want.
	You can have great calls over and over again, or you can have terrible calls over and over again.
	We hang up on you.
	It's personal.
	And radioactivity in the chat room asked if the Belgaba-Thon will be available on podcast.
	And yes, it will.
	Most likely, this will show up under the Gabcast since this is the first one.
	And I hope there'll be many more after that.
	But I hope I'm not the one organizing the next one.
	I think I said in the thread.
	Is this going?
	Hang on.
	Is this going out live?
	Yes, it is.
	Yeah, too bad.
	You know, the stuff you said.
	Yeah, everyone heard that.
	There's no getting around that.
	I suppose hosting this is like the Olympics, isn't it?
	Well, you know, it seems like a good idea at the time, but when they actually do it, they really regret it and they're really glad that when it's over and they don't want to do it again.
	So you're in that kind of situation, aren't you?
	Yeah, I think he is.
	He just realized that part of his rider was that he gets a foot massage from it from me, and I'm going to live up to that.
	Is that all three feet or just the two?
	Well, I'm starting with the third one.
	And then we'll see how it goes from there if we get to the others.
	Oh, ding dong.
	You said it, dude.
	So surprisingly, for anything that's ever been done Bellgab podcast related, we do have a schedule for this.
	And if everyone lives up to their end of it, I am so super excited about the mystery podcaster coming up later.
	Thank you for mentioning that.
	Everyone who's in the chat room listening to this live, you want to be here at 10:30.
	It'll probably be the biggest event of podcasting Bell Gap history.
	Oh, it's going to be unbelievable.
	Yes, thank you.
	I'm giggling.
	I haven't even heard it yet.
	And you're going to be a part of it.
	That's the best.
	Oh, it's going to be glorious.
	It's intriguing, yeah.
	And this whole thing is a complete community event.
	So it's only as good as what we've planned for you, which I think we've got some great stuff planned, but then also the way you interact with it.
	This is a, if there was a rule on Bellgab, that same rule exists for this podcast.
	And I would like for you guys to tell me what are the rules of Bellgab?
	What?
	There are no rules.
	So there you go.
	So that's a five-letter word.
	Yeah.
	So, so we'll have Chefist on as our first co-host at nine o'clock.
	So definitely be a part of that.
	Give us a call.
	You can chat with him.
	I'm excited to have him on the show as our first podcaster who is a Bell Gabber too.
	He is the host.
	It could be a she, though.
	It could be a she for the mystery one later.
	Yes.
	So, yeah, definitely give us a call when he takes over here soon because he is the creator of probably the best in-joke podcast around with the Martinez Tonight show.
	So I want you guys to give him a call, ask him when the next episode of that's going to be on, and just we'll see what he has to say about everything.
	But you want to be here for our 10.30 mystery host.
	It's going to be great.
	I wonder if Sheffis has had a few drinks by the time he gets on there.
	He's quite lively and he's had a few under his belt.
	I don't know what his favorite tipple is, but he seems to drink a lot of it on occasion.
	So it's always interesting.
	He's had a liberal skinful.
	Yeah, let's hope he definitely has started early for this one.
	You're talking about sort of the interaction, Belgab.
	I think every so often we have a sort of a moan about Belgab thing, oh, it's not sort of that interesting at the moment and things.
	And it does kind of, a lot of it is sort of what you put into it, really, isn't it?
	You can't sort of expect everyone to sort of amuse you all the time.
	And if at times things seem like this, if it does seem a bit slow, then it's kind of up to you to come up with interesting topics or points of view just to sort of shift things away.
	I mean, every so often it falls into a bit of a sort of a dead end, and it sort of gets stuck somewhere.
	So it can be sort of endless Trump talk for a while.
	And some people want that and some people don't.
	But if you don't want that, then you've really got to come up with something that's going to kind of divert people so people can talk about one thing and then there are other people who talk about something else.
	So it's, you know, it's up to other people to come up with different ideas, I think.
	Well, it's like any relationship that you might have.
	And do remember that Belgab is the first relationship many of the posters have ever had with other people.
	So they're learning as they go.
	Certainly other people that have got pulses, indeed, yeah.
	That weren't mail order or blow-up.
	Which I did hear that you could order a blow-up version of Belgab, but it might turn out to be.
	Yeah, I think it's a fleshy-mutant type of plastic, but you can do with it as you please.
	It's also one of the softened you can just clip just go down the because in Belgab, you know, you can you can join, but you can never leave, you know, unless you get some ignorance.
	There's a song in that somewhere, weren't they?
	There's people who don't, people who just stop posting, you know, they're still members.
	So you can sort of go down and you sort of look at people and think, oh, yeah, I remember such and such.
	I mean, I used to read Belgab or Coast Gab, as it was, when I read it.
	And you would find you would see people there, you know, people you could sort of read.
	And again, so you can sort of just go back and think, oh, yeah, I remember such and such.
	So there's a bit of people with sort of names that stick in your mouth.
	For some reason, I remember someone called Aquagoat.
	I don't know why.
	It's just a name.
	It always amused me.
	And so, yeah, you've got kind of an archive of getting on for, what, is it eight, nine years now?
	It's been going.
	Yeah, it's been.
	Yeah, so I mean, I suppose things get, it's not absolutely everything there.
	Things get deleted from time to time, I suppose, if they're illegal or whatever.
	Mostly you get a kind of a you know it's a a historical record almost, isn't it?
	It's like, um, well it is.
	Is there any poster you can think of that it hasn't posted that they, they've disappeared for whatever reason.
	Or or they, they wrote their their Dear John letter.
	But you wi, but they, they showed up before you were there and so you're like man, I wish I had talked to that person.
	I don't know really.
	I'll tell you who I do miss, and that's uh, West Of The Rockies.
	I do miss him because he, he was, he was often very much the voice of reason and I used to PM him quite frequently and he's, he's actually a very clever guy.
	He's, he's done.
	I think he worked in, he was a civilian, but I think he worked in the police force.
	Well, I think he lived in Washington State or somewhere like that and then he went into teaching, but very, very clever guy.
	Yeah, I'm always impressed by the intelligence level.
	Like it's funny because, like I'm I'm, what's the word I'm looking for?
	I'm saddened by the intelligence level many times when I go to Bellgab, but then I'm also excited to see how many smart people show up there and do posts that are just that, that sometimes are biting in the the criticism, but so true.
	At the same time, Gravity Sucks is asking for the Skype address to call.
	Just put it in the chat room.
	It's live show.
	All one word for live show, no space between, and then space 99.
	You can also, if you're, for some reason you can't figure that out, that's too much of a technical hurdle.
	You, you can also call us at 317-708-4500, or you can hit me up on my, my Skype account, which.
	Just look for that tech dude or the Mud King and you'll find me.
	I'd prefer you to use the live show because I'll see that one pop up on the screen or the phone number.
	But all that matters as you get to us, just like all that matters is that you send us your money because Bellgab needs it.
	I'm not saying Bellgab is going to close anytime soon, but at the same time, look at all the years like, like you said, it's been around for a long time and uh, oh wait, we're getting a bunch of people calling all of a sudden.
	Let me oh, go answer some of these.
	All right you, it looks like we got a group on the air here.
	Who all's there?
	Hey, Curtis?
	Hey, it's Gravity Sucks.
	How are you?
	I'm doing good.
	How you doing?
	Doing well, all your eggs boiled, all my eggs boiled.
	They're ready to go.
	Yes, all right, don't put them all in one basket.
	Well, that's too late.
	You should have given me that advice about uh 53 minutes ago.
	So so I just I'm in the room watching the Hawks game, Black Hawks game.
	I just called him and say hi on the Bellgabathon 2017.
	Yes, live from Indianapolis, that's right.
	So what does Bellgab mean to you?
	Tell us uh, from gravity sucks point of view, how has bell Gab made your life better?
	Oh okay, never mind, that's a bunch of shit.
	Okay, tell us something about get me out the streets.
	You know, I thought about becoming homeless, but the, the wi-fi out there is not not as good as it used to be.
	You know, I bet you could you could find couches of bell gabbers to live on.
	Yeah, I don't know how Mr. Fidget does it.
	Yeah, he's always, he's always got a good signal.
	Well, that's because of the.
	Was it a church or something that he he had?
	I hope Mr. Fidget calls tonight too.
	We will definitely roll out the fidgeting carpet for him.
	So can y'all even hear me without my earbuds?
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	Is this YP on the line?
	I'm here.
	Hey, dude.
	How you doing?
	Hi, yeah, Vexy.
	How are you?
	I'm doing all right.
	All right.
	Kind of going out.
	Been stirring up about a bunch of people coming over for Easter tomorrow and had to do a lot of spring cleaning.
	Do you have a big meal planned or just hang out?
	A couple hands and a bunch of people bring whatever they want to eat and drink.
	About 40 people, actually.
	40?
	Wow.
	That's pretty big.
	So basically, what you're saying is you should have been hosting the Belgaba-thon 2017 after party at your place.
	No, actually, I should have requested donations.
	There you go, yes.
	So I started lobbying it for donations about a month ago, like y'all did.
	So I was already to donate last night.
	You really confuse everybody with that post you said about I'm cutting off the polls Friday, five o'clock, and then at eight o'clock we're going live.
	Oh, I meant with the schedule.
	Sorry about that.
	You know, actually, when I read that, too, I almost put a poll up on that thread saying, did Curtis screw up your plans for this thing?
	But I was scared that the vote would be overwhelming.
	Yeah, there were several people in the chat room saying, what's the deal?
	What's up?
	Yeah, I should have shown up in the chat room and said, here we go.
	We're live.
	This thing's happening.
	Thank you, George Noria, for calling.
	Thank you, Art Bell, for calling.
	Does that have a way on the line?
	Didn't MV and Evelyn do a whole train wreck where they weren't going out live over there?
	I think so.
	Yeah, released part of it.
	Yeah, that's the chat room.
	Can you hear us?
	Can you hear me now?
	Well, you know, you and I.
	We can hear you.
	Fine.
	You know, we've done several gab casts together where we've had to restart our intro multiple times.
	And, of course, this one was no different.
	We had to do the same thing for the Belgabathon.
	Well, I was a little late, so I didn't catch the start of it.
	Are you ever going to post this whole show?
	Yeah, it'll be posted most likely under the Gabcast, but I'll leave it up to MV to decide exactly how it gets posted.
	But it will be on the UFOship.com site.
	I think if you're to ask me, I'd say it fits the best in the gab cast, even though this isn't technically a gab cast.
	But we'll see.
	Well, he's posted episodes of the broadcast.
	Sorry, say that again?
	He's posted episodes of the broadcast.
	Sorry, you guys are both talking.
	Was that SV talking?
	No, no, I think York was talking about.
	Oh, it was okay.
	Sorry.
	Is that an SV or YP?
	I thought that was we got both.
	We got SV and YP.
	Oh, my God.
	I guess if you were here at the beginning, Jazz wasn't able to make it.
	He had a family thing come up.
	So what we did was we just upgraded to if we can't have one Australian, then you got to go with the next step up, which is two British people.
	Two Brits.
	Well, two POMs, as Jazz would refer to us.
	Is that Pawns?
	Or POMs?
	POMS.
	P-O-M.
	P-OMs, yeah.
	Okay.
	Australians are always called a POMS for reasons best known to themselves.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, I mean, they're a country of former prisoners, right?
	So who can understand what they're doing?
	Pretty much all of us.
	Are there more people in Oz or more rabbits?
	I forget.
	Sheep, isn't it?
	Sheep.
	There's more sheep than people.
	Are you talking about the numbers of men to women?
	I thought they got overrun by rabbits, feral rabbits, after rabbits got let loose back in the day.
	I thought it was dingoes, but dingoes were eating babies there.
	Dingo?
	What do I mean, babies?
	Was it a portal?
	Was it a portal?
	It could have been anchored.
	Yes.
	Amazing.
	Amazing.
	Tell me more about this.
	Tell me more about your thoughts on this.
	So why did you get started in life?
	Yeah, where would you begin with that?
	So gravity sucks.
	Tell us your deepest, darkest desire.
	I started in life in a womb.
	I started in a room.
	It was dark.
	My parents were there.
	Or at least I think my parents were there.
	I know at least my dad was drunk.
	I don't know about my mom.
	She might have been asleep.
	Who knows?
	You've been on Bellgab Gravity, by the way.
	I couldn't sort of, you know, sort of be, is it about a year or two?
	Maybe you've been on Bellgab?
	Two years.
	Two years.
	Because I kind of first sort of came across you because when we did that show together, the first cards we did together.
	And you kind of rather rashly signed up for doing a show with me and Inglorious Bitch, if you remember.
	And you wonder what kind of madhouse you were getting yourself in for, weren't you?
	Because we were sort of constantly swapping insults back and forth.
	I really thought it was a what now?
	Why am I getting in between the middle of these two?
	Yeah, sort of vicious.
	That's the one that my ear is still hurting from doing our show.
	We're just screeching in the morning.
	Well, you have bad luck with signing up for Gabcast because you also were a part of the one with me where Rather and Bateman called in.
	Oh my God.
	We're getting cast from hell.
	What's that song about Dirty Laundry?
	It was me.
	Dirty Laundry.
	When I was listening to recording.
	Oh, God, I would have loved to have been on the stone.
	It was too much fun.
	But the bad blood there was flowing.
	It was wonderful to listen to.
	You know, the crazy thing that you don't realize, like, it takes months as you try to process after being a part of that episode.
	And like me, I'm trying to be the person giving both sides a chance to say something to see what facts are going to come out or what new story, what's going to push this story along without letting them just run roughshod over each other.
	But as I process it, I think you realize at some point way far down the road, those two people are going to be applying for jobs in the radio industry.
	I'll be forgotten about, and all of us who are part of that podcast will be forgotten about.
	But those two will apply for a job and their future employer is going to listen to that.
	And that's going to be part of their decision process.
	So how do these people deal with adversity?
	Well, yeah, I mean, do you want to be a kind of a bland?
	I mean, some people are quite happy to be this kind of bland figure on the radio, so nobody really remembers you, or you can do something more interesting, can't you?
	And I thought just listening to two people yelling at each other for a while would be quite funny.
	I mean, that's kind of helpful.
	Howard's, for example, made a sort of reputation for himself, didn't he, by getting people in.
	I mean, he was having people punching each other, weren't they?
	That's that point in there.
	I can't remember that guy.
	Wasn't it John?
	Well, they said we were sort of attacking each other in the studio.
	I mean, I don't suppose we want that exactly, but it was certainly fun.
	It was certainly fun to listen to.
	During that, I kept thinking, man, just think how much more epic this would have been if MV would have been here.
	If he'd been the person sitting in the seat rather than me, then that would have been not only it was epic just for the context of it, but the added personality he would have given to it would have been just awesome.
	And if you said everyone would have donated money, go to bellgab.com and click on the donate button.
	Then maybe next time there's an epic moment like that, MV will be sitting in the seat because he will have realized the ability to pay for all the hosting for Bell Gab with the money we've donated.
	And then the next time it'll be more epic.
	Because just think about hey, we're going to cut you off of this show.
	No, whatever.
	Last time I donated money, I never got a thank you email.
	He can kick my ass.
	But isn't him not saying anything to you sort of like a thank you?
	Yeah, that's true.
	You see, he spoiled me.
	One time I donated money and he actually said, hey, thanks, man.
	Well, I got a thanks, man, email.
	I framed it.
	I printed it off and framed it.
	That's hey, at least you've gotten a thanks.
	I think for me, what I get is a hey, man, the system's not working.
	And that's at two o'clock in the morning and I have to get up.
	No.
	Yeah, I think he put a PS for $5 extra.
	You can have you can have my youngest daughter.
	But I just couldn't spring for the extra dollars at the back.
	You sure that wasn't Open Lands Jerry who sent that message to you?
	It could have been.
	You know, think about, I like to, maybe since we've got some British humor or wit, I guess would be the right word to use, here.
	I would like to see a coming of age story in a high school written, but it's all Belgab members.
	Like all of us interacting with each other in a high school.
	Just think about us all 18 years old, struggling to figure out, you know, well, 16 to 18 years old, trying to figure out where we fit into the world, and the only way we can do it is through our posts on Bell Gab.
	Have you seen the show?
	Have you ever seen that last picture show?
	I was thinking about, you know, Yorkie could be Sylvia Shepherd or something, you know, the sort of.
	Yeah, right.
	So you're the one dressed up like Audrey Hepburn running and trying to push a car on high heels.
	Yes, that's yes, I wouldn't believe too much of although she's crying now because she won an obviously a rigged election, the best female poster.
	Although not to preempt things, but that was, yes, I don't believe everything that troublemaker says.
	I give her best female poster just for taking on Eddie Coral that one day.
	Yes, that was a memorable encounter, wasn't it?
	Yes, well, she's one of those people that just backed out.
	So I think she, yes, he kind of found it.
	Well, that ended up being the end of him, didn't it?
	Because he not because of the argument, but because he couldn't take being taught back at.
	And yes, he kind of overreacted and posted stuff, pictures he shouldn't.
	And that got him kicked off, didn't it?
	But yes.
	Yeah, I was a big supporter of him up until that point.
	And then, like, not that there is a line to be crossed, but there's a point to where it's like, all right, you clearly want to see the world burn, so I guess goodbye.
	Goodbye.
	I felt the same way.
	I mean, he obviously got an edge chair and everything, but he certainly never came across as a token.
	I mean, who knows?
	Who knows the kind of mood somebody's in one day and they just, you know, they get into it.
	I know, I'm not, to be honest, I don't know, I don't do that if I only sort of do this to sort of be a to have fun really.
	And if somebody takes it seriously, then I just don't, I don't, don't bother.
	But some people do, you know, do get in that kind of tunnel, I think, and they only go back and forth, back and forth.
	And that particular exchange seemed to go over pages, isn't it?
	Yes.
	It was all because there was someone very unwisely claiming that they were going to commit suicide, didn't they?
	And he came on and said, well, I don't know if you have Dudley Moore wrote a song called Jump, You Fucker Jump about a suicide.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And Eddie Cole's reaction was quite similar to that.
	He said, well, go on, are you still there?
	Get on with it then.
	And it was an interesting sort of experiment to see sort of the reactions of people to something like that.
	But yes, it sort of released all these weird emotions and everything.
	And yes, it ended up those two having a big falling out.
	And so, yes, it was.
	I think he was, I think it was both an East Coast thing, wasn't it?
	I think he's from, I think he was from Boston, wasn't he, or somewhere like that.
	And so it was all quite interesting to see those two going backwards and forth.
	And yes, and he lost on points quite comfortably though.
	Well, you know, like he lost not only on points, I think he lost by a submission.
	That's what I was going to say.
	Every epic argument, the play-by-play is important, but the way you finish out the match is almost as important as the way you played it.
	And I'd say that he lost ultimately on that.
	Really quick as a point of house cleaning or behind the scenes, anyone who has a direct line to Sheffist looking for him, I have written him on Skype, try to get him, and he doesn't appear to be available.
	So anyone who knows where he's at, send him a PM something.
	Put up the bat signal.
	We need to get through.
	Everybody send Sheffist a PM.
	Right now.
	He's been trying to get through.
	Have you not seen on the screen here?
	I saw his call come and it said call failed.
	That was me.
	That was me trying to call him.
	I'm going to drop off.
	My hockey game's coming back on.
	Was it the Blackhawks?
	Is that who you're?
	Yeah, Blackhawks.
	Is this the first game of their series?
	Second.
	It was.
	The first game won on nothing, and they're losing this one one or nothing right now.
	So the second period.
	All right, everybody, donate $100 now so the Blackhawks can win.
	Go to bellgab.com and then hit the donate button.
	Well, thanks, Gravity.
	We appreciate you calling in.
	If you are.
	Yeah, thank you.
	I might call back later after the game.
	All right, cool.
	Sounds good.
	Give us an update.
	Let us know by how many goals they won by.
	So we were talking about Eddie Coyle, who, like I said, at one point was someone I look forward to seeing their response to someone.
	And then, of course, it went the direction it did.
	I just saw in the chat room we've got Jackstar in there.
	When you see a Jackstar post, do you hurry and look at that?
	Like when you see in the recent post, Jackstar posted 12 times in different threads.
	Not quite, no.
	You ignore it.
	I would say ignore it, but it kind of depends what sort of mood he's in.
	Sometimes he says something interesting and other times not.
	But with him, it kind of goes in waves.
	He starts being after one of his many bannings.
	I don't know how many times he's been banned, but it's been I don't know who's been banned more, him or White Crow, but and he comes back because he usually gets so obnoxious and then he ends up getting banned for overstepping the mark.
	I think people have enough of him.
	So he calls his heels for a while and then he comes back and he's quiet for a while and then he gradually ramps up being obnoxious again.
	But yeah, you bring up White Crow and comparing to Jackstar's bannings.
	How much money has White Crow spent to get back on Bellgab versus how much money has Jackstar?
	Well, I don't know if Jackstar, I don't know if Money actually changed hands with Jackstar or what.
	Perhaps he just sends him some flowers or something to say the sorrow.
	Or a new vehicle wrap for his new Prius.
	But I mean, you know, White Crow, I mean, if you need $1,200 as your, you know, as the goal for that, I mean, I think he could just whip out his money belt and just pay it in one go.
	The man seems to be absolutely made of money.
	And so really, I think he's going to do the decent thing and fork over some cash.
	Cold hard cash.
	Absolutely.
	Do you have a White Crow hoodie?
	I do not.
	Do either of you?
	I do, yes.
	I'm a proud owner of a White Crow hoodie.
	It's probably time for me, isn't it?
	I need to get one, which I'm willing to pay for it.
	So White Crow, I trust you're listening.
	I'm ready to receive my hoodie.
	Just tell me what I need to do.
	If you need a sample of blood, DNA, you got it.
	Is that good?
	I think he'll send him out.
	I'll tell you what you have to do, McKinney.
	You have to have a portrait up in your attic of him.
	He has this thing organized later this year, Crow Fest.
	I think they go to Canada.
	I think he's organising a little get-together for people to go to Kansas to see the eclipse.
	You've got a solar eclipse coming up, haven't you, in June or July?
	Yeah, I would like to go to that.
	I've read the book, and I thought the book was really good.
	Stephen King just crushed it with a stand, so it'd be awesome to be a part of it.
	Oh, really?
	Is this all?
	Oh, right.
	I haven't read any of that.
	Isn't that the zombie thing?
	The stand is like this demon who convinces a bunch of people to follow him, basically, to destruction.
	There's a lot more to it than that.
	Are they making a film about that, or is it one of those they keep talking about making a film about it, and it never gets made?
	Who's the main character in that?
	I assume it's sort of on the.
	I'm trying to remember off the top of my head, and I can't.
	They're redoing it, but yes, it, of course, that's coming.
	Yes, that's they were talking, people were speculating, you know, that the killer clown thing or the scary clown thing, you know, that they were spotted in the south, wasn't it, in Carolina, you know, that people were seeing these sightings of clowns months ago, was it?
	Oh, oh, we're in the presence of greatness.
	MV is in the room.
	Oh, in the chat?
	You're right.
	Yeah.
	I actually haven't been this excited to see someone in the chat room since the first time Art Bell showed up, and we didn't believe it was him.
	Oh, of course.
	Yes, that's right.
	It's not just NV, it's at MV.
	Which means he has mod rights, so you know it's the correct person.
	And he also just alerted us that White Crow has not been banned in two years, and neither has Jackstar.
	Oh!
	I don't know why White Crow would get banned, actually.
	He's never.
	I think he's one of those.
	He just has a kind of a particular sense of humor, I think.
	And it kind of, I don't know, annoys or creeps people out or something.
	But I don't know what he would have done to get banned.
	I'm trying to remember now, and I can't.
	It seems like one of the times was a criticism that he had of a show.
	But what I love about White Crow is that he came in initially as one of the hardest-hitting trolls on Falkey and then flipped it so quickly.
	I think that he could do a masterclass on trolling on a level that most people don't understand.
	Yeah, I think this, I think, I don't remember quite that far back.
	I go back with Fikey to drone your Ari 51 drone and loaning Falkey some money.
	Was it $50 or something for some ridiculous reason, whatever?
	Was that the serious XM radio or was that White Crow?
	Yeah, okay.
	It was some, you know, it's obviously, but at that time, we weren't aware of the George Sender technique for the distance technique.
	Don't sweat the technique.
	And it was so ridiculous, wasn't it?
	You know, he's I can't remember exactly, but you know, anyone else that they would say, well, if I don't have the money for a radio subscription, then I don't have the money.
	I wouldn't go and ask total strangers to give us some money, but this is a totally different you could write an entire thesis on that, couldn't you?
	It's just incredible.
	Yeah, and someone amazingly gave him some money, or whether he did, anyways, I don't know whether actually the money came through or not or anything.
	But of course, with Drone, he does sound remarkably similar to Open Lines Jerry.
	And there might be someone else that he might be so, you know, there could be three or four people who actually verse.
	All I know is that the Gabcast that Open Lands Jerry is called into, I have so much respect for him, whoever he might also be, whatever other personalities exist inside that head.
	Because I can hold a character for a while if I need to, but nowhere near to the level of commitment that he did.
	Oh, he plays it straight, doesn't he?
	Yeah, it's impressive.
	He doesn't play character.
	Yeah, the master and everything.
	It reminds me in personality to Peter Sellers because Peter Sellers was exactly the same.
	He could do a character and it was real.
	You know, it was an alive creation from that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You know, it's bumming me out.
	We're 17 minutes into the Chefist segment, and I have yet to hear anything from him.
	He's going to lose his time.
	We have a little bit of wiggle room here if he does get in, but no sign of him.
	Not yet.
	Let's see.
	I just kind of hold on.
	Let's see what happens here.
	Just a moment.
	You guys talk amongst yourselves.
	I'll see if I can get him on here.
	Right.
	Well, I hope you get him back.
	I hope you did the best.
	How did you find Belgab Yorki, by the way?
	I don't think I've ever heard that.
	Well, actually, in a funny way, it was through Expat.
	And I found his.
	I think it was to do with taking the piss out of Hoagland.
	Found Expat's website with his, he's got a blog, and it was linked through to Bellgab.
	Before it became Bellgab, it was when it was Gabcast.
	So Coast Gab.
	And that's how I found it.
	But it was basically, it wasn't anything to do with Art Bell.
	It was more to do with the disbelief of Richard Hoagland.
	You don't even particularly like Art Bell that much, do you?
	You're kind of.
	Yeah, he's ambivalent.
	I mean, you know, I'm ambivalent.
	I just think he's like a lot of these late-night woo-woo co-I mean, I don't doubt his prowess as a broadcaster at all.
	It's just that, you know, with the stalker thing, it sort of shows his true colours.
	You know, it's, you know, look at me.
	You know, it's, I don't know.
	Ah, the stalker.
	No, I've always been a fan of Art Bell.
	I came across.
	Well, I wouldn't have, oddly, I wouldn't have heard of Art Bell until I heard of Alex Jones, of all people here in this growing human babies and cows.
	Because he was every so often he'd mentioned that he was going on this show called Coast to Coast with George Nori, and I'd never really, I didn't really pay much attention to him, but eventually I think I broke down and looked up who this nori guy was.
	And then I found out that he presented a show that previously hosted by someone called Art Bell, and then it kind of works, it worked sort of back like that, really.
	And I'd never really heard any show like that he did.
	And unfortunately, I only kind of heard the tail end of his career, really, so I didn't get the experience of listing as a lot of people I know sort of seem to have done, you know, just driving on a lonely road at night, you know, and listening to that.
	Well, I think the thing that brought Art Bell to the attention in the UK was that time when he had that, was it that call where he allegedly had just escaped from Area 51?
	Oh, by the guy who know the one I mean, don't you?
	And so it just went dead as though he'd been capped.
	You know, the presumption is he's been captured or whatever, you know.
	And I think that actually made the news in Britain.
	We've got a caller on the line here really quick.
	573.
	Here go.
	Yes, this is a big moment.
	Gorgeous.
	Hey, everybody.
	It's Michael.
	How's it going?
	Hello.
	And also.
	Can you hear me?
	We can hear you.
	Oh, you're not speaking in a bad accent here.
	Good lord.
	Oh, dear Lord.
	I would just like to say I found Dog Gab by searching for George Nori Sucks.
	It's all been great since.
	How's that worked out for you from that point on?
	You feel like your life has been better since that moment.
	No, it's just Pennery ever since.
	Somehow I found a way to capitalize on AdSense on somebody else's website.
	It's really strange how that worked out.
	I don't know quite the logistics of it, but they're sending checks, so nobody's complaining.
	Let's go ahead and admit this, that it's actually the creator and owner of Bellgab.com was praise MV.
	Praise MV.
	Praise MV.
	I just saw in the chat room that at my new one, which is going to be PhraseMV.
	The website was already in existence and running.
	I just somehow managed to log into the admin portal.
	I'm just sort of took it over.
	Oh, Sean Histor, how's the new car running?
	Is it okay?
	Well, it's okay, but as a quasi-Republican, I just couldn't take the electricity-powered aspect of it, so I've disconnected all the cables running to the batteries, and it's just running off of pure gasoline.
	You know, just my way of raising my middle finger to the environmentalist movement.
	No, I'm kidding.
	The Prius is wonderful.
	I couldn't be happier.
	I got lots of questions about the hood wrap, and I think that's one of the best aspects of it, actually.
	It could have been a 74-dodge dart, but with that hood wrap, it makes up for everything.
	Let me ask you this.
	Have you gotten any tail off of it?
	Well, actually, the tail situation was great until I started driving it.
	That's been the problem.
	Yeah.
	It all went downhill from there.
	Anyway, I just want to tell everybody, thank you for doing this.
	This is quite nice.
	And, you know, that server bill is actually a bit of a pain in the ass to pay every month.
	It's not a fun check to write.
	And so this is a very nice thing that you're doing.
	And if you do happen to donate some money to Bellgab's operating costs, you can think of it as a donation to yourselves if you're somebody who enjoys using the form on any sort of a regular basis.
	And I will say, I don't know what's going on, but traffic to Bellgab is higher now than it's been, at least in terms of averages.
	It's higher now than it's ever been.
	Yet AdSense revenue is lower than it's ever been.
	And I don't know if Google has changed something about the way that all works.
	The CPM, the algorithm.
	I don't know what they've changed.
	Probably.
	But something has happened.
	And it's gotten to the point where there are days when actually Bellgab either comes close to just barely breaking even in terms of server costs or even loses a little bit of money if you can believe that.
	It's so bad at his phone's breaking up some, too.
	I actually had 25 cents in out-of-pocket costs running Bellgab last month.
	This will not stand.
	This aggression will not stand.
	But I really do mean that.
	I swear to God, I don't know what's happened to the AdSense revenue.
	It's just I thought traffic meant more money, but it apparently doesn't.
	Yeah, I wonder if they've done something, like you said, to the algorithm that makes it to where you're not getting higher-paying people advertising.
	Like they're not sending you the people who have the better click rates.
	Well, if you take a look at what's happening with YouTube, we can just sort of apply Google's newfound philosophies on these things to their entire product line.
	They're starting to really manipulate what videos are shown to people.
	They're starting to manipulate the processes by which you're notified of videos being posted when you're subscribing to somebody's channel.
	They're starting to really manipulate a lot of things.
	And I kind of wonder if there's content on Bellgab that I mean, if you look at the various content throughout YouTube that Google no longer wants to allow you to monetize, doesn't it stand to reason that there's got to be something on Bellgab that they don't like?
	So you're telling me that I'm not going to see mail order Filipino brides much longer?
	Because if that's the case, then I'm going to have to move over to Sewer Gab.
	You're going to see plenty of them.
	I'm just not getting paid for them.
	Oh, okay.
	That's the problem.
	I was going to say.
	Totally okay.
	I get Ukrainian blood.
	I don't know why, but I get Ukrainian brides.
	Oh, do you?
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Well, I think this could be indicative in some way of your searching habits.
	I think that's what a lot of this comes down to.
	You know, I'm glad you said that.
	We are just getting a nice window into your personality.
	The more you speak, the more we're going to learn.
	Tell us more.
	What other ads are you seeing on dogab.com?
	She man midgets.
	So, Chef is.
	Lots of ads for lubricants.
	Chef is on the line now, too.
	Chef is this is technically technically.
	Hey, Chef East.
	Hey, what's going on?
	Yeah, exactly.
	This is Chefest.
	This is Chefest.
	What's going on?
	Chefest.
	How are you doing, man?
	You've got MV here, too.
	So you not only have a segment to work with here, but you've got the man to talk to.
	Dude, no.
	Well, it's good to talk to everyone.
	It's been a long time.
	I haven't been around the board very much.
	I've been super busy and had to close the business that I've had for eight years.
	So I've been just trying to get that all accomplished.
	Are you bankrupt?
	Yeah, bankrupt.
	Exactly.
	No, fortunately, I never had any debt in the business.
	So it's basically just closing the doors and moving on to something else.
	So that's the good thing.
	Were you selling blow-up dolls?
	Yeah.
	No, that would probably be a much better business model than what I had.
	Were you advertising through actual dog ab?
	I can see why your business went on.
	You're interested in me.
	You have to clean them out first.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, I've been doing what I've been doing for 20 years, and just years, profit margin just keeps going down and down and down, and I'm just getting out of it.
	So I'm taking the summer off and going to go on a long road trip with my daughter when she gets out of school.
	Nice.
	Move on to the next thing.
	Can you say what kind of business it was?
	Yeah, inkjet cartridges.
	I'm a chemist.
	Oh, that's right.
	I remember you talking about that.
	Wholesale manufacturing.
	I ran a big factory.
	You manufactured them.
	Correct.
	Wow.
	And the problem is they just make them so much cheaper in China.
	And then they sell direct on the internet primarily through Amazon and eBay.
	And I just can't compete with their pricing.
	And neither, you know, my customers can't.
	My customers are the ones that resell what I manufacture.
	And they just can't buy from me and resell and compete against the Chinese.
	So moving on to something else.
	Well, the good thing is that soon there's going to be a world war and you'll be able to get right back into that business.
	Oh, you know what?
	I can jump right back into it in a second.
	So, yeah, the barrier to entry is pretty low.
	So what now?
	Cheffus, do you think we're going to go into North Korea?
	No, I think what will happen, just predicting, is there'll be a few assassinations, and then some generals that are friendlier to China will take over, and then it'll go that way.
	That's what I think.
	And if the Chinese want to make that happen, they can.
	It's just a matter of how many people in the Knight of the Long Knives have to die, but that's what would happen.
	I need to find some way whenever the North Korean government falls and we have reunification with South Korea and finally the North Korean people all get online.
	I need to find some way to immediately introduce all of them to Bell Gab.
	Absolutely.
	Really get that AdSense revenue up.
	I think that's a good end for us.
	Well, they have a different name in Korea, though.
	You can't call it Sewagab.
	You're going to have to call it something else.
	We'll call it Juche Gab.
	There'll be a forum entirely about the Juche philosophy.
	We'll all have to get rid of our George Norrie boards and forums and stop talking about things that annoy us and just start talking about the Juche philosophy.
	One of the best Twitter things is the North Korean, that spoofed North Korean government account.
	The one with all the, you know, the DPRK news service.
	Yes, that one.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's pretty good.
	That's almost as good as the only in Russia one.
	Yeah, that's a good one, too.
	Well, I like the little gif where it shows the Russian or the North Korean soldier jumping on the air rocket and launching the air rocket by jumping on the little air bladder and it goes two feet in the air and then they all start clapping.
	Yeah.
	You know, it would be funny.
	You know, there's the, what I consider the classic Belgab GIF of the guy just looking at the camera and saying Belgab.
	You need that with North Koreans or just Koreans because it doesn't really matter once they're reunified.
	But with them saying they'll do the same thing.
	And then I think that will bring in hundreds of hundreds of thousands of North Koreans to Belgab.
	That one GIF.
	You know, I don't know if that Belgab GIF is good for presentation to the North Korean people because over the course of all these years, they have had it hammered into their head that the homogenized nature of their nation's racial makeup is such a strength that I think that Belgab GIF is worked.
	That's why it needs to be reworked with Koreans in it so that they'll understand it.
	Because I think that, like, if you later on, we're going to have some people calling in who are going to describe Belgab to their significant other.
	And I believe if you lead with that GIF, that's all you need.
	Is it GIF or GIF?
	Is it driving to the significant live on air?
	Yeah, we're counting on them actually calling in to do it, but yes, it's going to be live on air.
	They're going to call, oh, we've done it.
	And then we're going to call their significant other.
	And if that doesn't call my wife when I see that Belgab GIF, I hear the word in my mind, like as the guy puts his hands up and the word bell gab comes across the bottom.
	And it's got a certain tone to it.
	It's like, bellgab.
	But then your mind wanders what exactly was said right before he did that.
	Right.
	And then that's where you fill in the blanks or something.
	What exactly was said that made that guy throw his arms up and bellgab come up?
	And I love that.
	I love that.
	We've got the Asian guy in the background, and then they've got the big fat black dude with the Bluetooth earpiece.
	Exactly.
	You know, what were they?
	What Snapchat filter did they use for that GIF too?
	And it's actually GIF is what the creator of it says, but I disagree.
	And I believe phonetically I'm sticking with GIF.
	Yes, I'm going with the hard.
	Oh, really?
	I didn't know that that had actually been settled.
	I always go with hard G's.
	Me too.
	Absolutely.
	And if you have some hard G's, be sure to go to bellgab.com and click on the donate button on the right, or the left-hand corner.
	Be sure to put in the notes section Belgabathon.
	And also put Chefus, too, so the MV knows you donated during the Chefus section of the show.
	Because it's relevant who was on the phone calling and when you donated.
	It is.
	There'll be that much less banning credentials that Chefis will have.
	That means he can get away with a little bit more for a while.
	I'm not going to ban anyone.
	Well, in the chat room, I just saw something from, I think it's Tiger Lily, said that Heather should pay UMV to advertise.
	I think that would be awesome if next week we see a big Midnight in the Desert banner on the top of the page or even better, a pop-up.
	I think you and Keith should work this out.
	But then she would have to acknowledge the existence of the website.
	I think that's a bit of a tall order.
	Yeah, we all have our hurdles in life to jump across, don't we?
	That's just, you know what?
	That's the thing that really sticks in my craw is just that whole Midnight in the Desert thing and her association with art and the fact that she ever came to be in contact with him.
	And now she can't even acknowledge that the form exists.
	I just find that so low rent and so protectionist and so fucking phony.
	It just gets under my skin.
	What do you think about the rumor that people kind of send him that she's his she's Art's daughter?
	She's been that she's she's been preferred in the past.
	Well Dog, right?
	That's better than that.
	The rumor that she's been preferred because of what?
	That she's his daughter.
	Oh she's you know he's art scattered his seed across the several continents and she's you know she turned up one day and he's you know he's installed her there for reasons best known to himself.
	Anyway, that's one of the rumors.
	But being Bell Gab, there's always sorts of things.
	Well, I mean, I've been in communication with a couple of art's former children and based on what they have to say, being his child might not be the best resume enhancement as far as working for him.
	What is that creepy ice cream truck music?
	I was going to say that's perfectly time.
	Three candy.
	Do you have some art?
	I can't believe you can hear that.
	I'm calling some an ice cream truck.
	That's where I've done every show from for the last two years and I just try to tell them to turn the loudspeaker down.
	Do you ever think he's not going to be able to do that?
	My daughter's watching her tablet, but she's like 30 feet away from me.
	I cannot believe you can hear that.
	Do you hear Sean?
	Get interviewed by someone.
	Say that over again.
	I don't think you heard you.
	Do you think Heather would get famous enough to be interviewed by someone on their show?
	Well, maybe some no-name it would be the equivalent of me being interviewed by somebody, I think.
	Right, because it'd be great.
	You were talking 15 minutes with Heather on the show.
	So, Heather, Bellgap.
	And it'd just be great to bring up everything.
	Yeah, Heather, Bellgap, go.
	See what happens.
	I don't know.
	I don't know why.
	I don't know who would interview.
	I mean, it's sort of like when people ask me to appear as a guest on their podcast, I'm sort of like, well, if times are that bad, we can do it.
	Damn it, she went, didn't she go?
	Heather didn't get Heather get interviewed by Nouri been interviewed by Nori.
	She briefly went on to explain that he was ill, wasn't he?
	Oh, that's correct, yeah.
	And she just popped on.
	And he didn't even give her a plug for her for the show.
	That was the funny thing.
	He just cut her off.
	That's yeah, but if you think of, I mean, whatever you think of George Nouri, He demonstrated quite a lot of class there because the amount of shit that Heather Wade has piled on George Nouri in the past in the forum and he never made any mention of it.
	You know?
	Okay, so here's my question for everyone on the call.
	Can you point to something that George has done publicly that shows that he has a lack of class?
	And I'm taking out any of his talking to guests and plugging things that were sponsors of his show.
	Just an action of his that he's done that shows that he has less class than the average person who hosts a national radio show.
	Average than the less?
	No, but I could pick a couple examples of that were less than classy.
	Yeah.
	Well, I would have to say when he had David John Oates on the air, that was pretty raunchy.
	But I'll give you that.
	He's particularly atrocious.
	I think Bateman did an interview with Hoagland.
	And Hoagland said that Norrie's queen is quite a sort of a nice guy, but he gets Tommy to do his sort of dirty work.
	So he doesn't get his hands dirty with doing anything.
	Or Tommy just does, he'll fiddle around with guests and things.
	And Nori will just stay above it all.
	So he doesn't really need to do anything, anything sort of shady.
	But I mean, he doesn't really.
	I wouldn't think that would be unique to Norrie, though.
	No, probably not.
	It's a male.
	I think most hosts have an underling that does bad things for them.
	But, you know, he doesn't, you know, he's a host of a syndicated show.
	Why would he react to somebody saying something?
	It's like a gnat, isn't it?
	You just flick it away.
	It's not going to affect you very much.
	So there's no need for him to react to what somebody says from.
	You show my expert on psychic Bigfoot, you son of a bitch.
	So, you know, I mean, he seems to have that job for life really.
	Doesn't he know it for as long as he wants it, Nori.
	I mean, he doesn't really need to.
	It seems that he's got a ready-made audience there that would just listen to him, whatever he does.
	My recollection is that all the public salvos were largely launched by art at George.
	That's my recollection of things.
	Like when the, I think it was when the dark matter thing started ramping up.
	You started seeing these magazine articles where they'd interview Art and he'd be saying things like, the paranormal deserves matter.
	And making little comments like that.
	That struck me that that was almost entirely revenge.
	You know, he wanted to bring him down for whatever reason.
	You know, he didn't really want to do, you know, he didn't really have all that much interest in doing a paranormal show anymore.
	He just wanted to just get there and just stick it to Nori just to try and take some of his audience away from him.
	You know, it seemed most, I mean, it seemed that first show he did on Cirrus, he seemed to spend about an hour just setting scores and going into weird details about stuff that happened years ago and should have been long forgotten.
	He still seemed to like someone who does carry grudges and doesn't let them drop.
	And that seemed to be the major reason that he came back in the first place.
	That some place like Belgove that would stroke his ego a bit.
	So Art has been posting a little bit.
	I saw a couple of things on Belgab recently.
	Yeah, a few, a couple of weeks ago.
	Right.
	Well, he does this thing now, isn't he, where he just pops up and tries to make people feel bad.
	And, you know, what's the wrong you guys?
	You know, I'm enjoying my life.
	You all seem so bitter.
	You know, what's wrong with you?
	That's like my wife.
	Like my wife.
	And, you know, and then he sort of pops off again.
	So I'm sure he'll come back again in a month or two and do the same sort of thing.
	Is there any update on his update on his litigation against Savage?
	That was all settled, wasn't it?
	Court.
	Oh, I don't know.
	They didn't talk about damages or anything, but they just said they settled, I think, didn't they?
	Oh, Ron.
	I've not read that.
	I can't imagine that that would have worked in a court, you know, for something.
	I mean, nobody would have had a clue what he was talking about, would they?
	The only reason that people paid any attention to him was because he drew attention.
	I mean, it's people who a small group of people paid attention.
	That's the other thing, too.
	Like, the average person didn't know anything about it.
	And then once he brought attention to it, it's still a smaller minority of the average person knew.
	Yeah, I mean, maybe he'd seen that he was, you know, he's shelling out money in lawyers' fees and perhaps thought, well, okay, perhaps it's time to get out of this because it's maybe somebody actually talks some sense into him.
	He never struck me as somebody who has people around who he can actually trust to give him impartial advice, but maybe he saw it for himself.
	It was such a weird thing to react to.
	But no, I don't think we ever found out if Savage actually handed over any money or not.
	It was a weird thing altogether.
	So, Shaffist, any topics, any directions you want to go?
	Do you want to get caught up on things that have happened since you've been away?
	Yeah, I mean, I really haven't been paying attention.
	I see the faulty things that are happening and I have not caught up on it.
	I've just seen the videos with the lesions on his face.
	Not quite for sure what that's about.
	Yeah, I don't know what to do and solve.
	Yeah.
	And I love the way I saw one of his recent videos.
	And as soon as the video starts, like one second into the video, the first thing he does as he begins speaking is he reaches up and starts touching his lesion with his index finger.
	It's like, this won't draw attention to it.
	He had to put one of those cones around his neck.
	You want to see my cyst?
	It's none of your business.
	Hey, I've just got a touch of...
	You might remember SVD.
	Do you remember Ripping Yarns that Michael Palin did with Terry Jones?
	It was written by Michael Palin and Terry Jones.
	Do you remember it?
	Vaguely, vaguely, yeah.
	Yeah, well, they had a guy who kept contracting different diseases and his nephew absolutely worshipped him.
	He said, you want to see my cyst?
	I'm not smoking.
	Because he never cleans.
	He obviously doesn't own a vacuum cleaner or anything.
	I mean, the place must be crawling with bacteria of all sorts.
	I mean, it's hardly surprising.
	And that he's got all sorts of bacteria crawling in there.
	He's got the apartment inspection, I think, this week.
	So he's actually – it's his yearly – I think he bought one bottle of Clorox.
	He's supposed to disinfect that entire – SV.
	It's his official season version of sweeps, literally.
	Sweet.
	I don't know honestly whether they could actually evict him, could they?
	It seems like there's almost nothing When the bacteria start moving out because he's too dirty, you know, you've got a problem, don't you?
	That's a good point.
	Would they have his table?
	Well, I just heard that he needs a new keyboard now, and I'd like to know if he purchases this new keyboard, how he's going to be able to afford the technician to come look at the laptop.
	Are you not willing to send him one?
	The keyboard or the laptop or the technician?
	Well, all the above.
	The keyboard is infected.
	All in one box.
	Yeah.
	I wonder how many total strangers he's mentioned about the evil MV.
	I get the impression that your name pops up a lot in general conversations.
	Can you imagine that?
	I'll bet you he's on the public transportation system.
	There'll just be some innocent 23-year-old girl sitting next to him.
	And there's this MV that's getting into all my electronics.
	And she just doesn't know what to say to herself.
	She just moves over three inches.
	It would be four inches.
	She died one move.
	I look like it doesn't.
	It's not just a laptop.
	It's infecting everything else he's got.
	You can just blame everything on this fucking laptop.
	I think the only reason it didn't work is because I think he obviously clogged it up with porn, didn't he, or something?
	And he probably ended up getting some virus from downloading.
	I'm not even sure he doesn't.
	Yeah, almost certainly.
	And that's what happened.
	Or he's just an idiot and he doesn't know how to work.
	Well, we know that he's an idiot.
	No, he was probably trying to go on some website for prostitutes and trying to find one that will give him a freebie.
	They'd be working women.
	Paul providers.
	Providers, that's it.
	Yeah, right.
	But Curtis, you're his kind of wetness, it seems, these days, or his go-to tech support.
	So whenever he wants to do anything, so when you know YouTube streaming, he seems that he has to come to you, doesn't he, and ask you how to do every basic thing in the world.
	And based on, I need help with the back page.
	It was not refreshing.
	Walks at night is just posted in the room.
	He's mentioned paying a guy $40 to clean the cat air out of his vacuum cleaner.
	Dear God.
	Do you guys want a spoiler for this pretty nice?
	The guy's name is Hank, and he lives down by the bar district.
	He walks with a limp, but it's a good deal.
	He's a genius with vacuum cleaners.
	Hi, my name's Hank.
	You have hair in your vacuum?
	See the number at the bottom of your screen?
	You call that number.
	You'll be hair free.
	Hank.
	It's like this.
	I'm here to work on your vacuum cleaner.
	I'm here to fix one cable.
	Someone told me there was a vacuum cleaner here with hair, and I think it was what I do.
	Hank just joined the chat room.
	That's great.
	Hank's in the chat.
	Thank you.
	So if you want a preview for the next season of the musings thread, I'm in communication right now with George to learn how to use a mixer and multiple sound cards to take live calls.
	And if you want to know which level of hell that is, they haven't numbered it yet.
	It's so far down.
	You're big.
	And you hate yourself how much?
	But he doesn't want to talk to people unless they're total sycophants, does he?
	He can't handle a normal conversation with people.
	He'll just cut them off.
	If he was prepared to go with the flow a bit and accept that lots of people hate and despise him, it might be an interesting show.
	So to let you behind the scenes a little bit, I haven't talked about this live with anyone except for Jazz.
	And after we did our first episode of the George Senda show, that was the most constant callers that we've had.
	And of course, most of them were trolling.
	But the way it played out was so fun because it was just constant.
	Like it was overwhelming in a good way.
	And I talked to Jazz and I said, if we could get him to understand where the magic is in this, he actually could become a viral hit.
	Like we were talking earlier, that if he would, he has to do two things.
	If I can get him to, one, acknowledge that he needs to take calls from trolls, and two, to continue to act like it pisses him off.
	If he can do those two things, we're all going to be rich.
	It's just like Ghost and Food Capitalist Radio.
	That's the business model he has.
	He embraces the trolls and pretends he's pissed and you hear the cans in the background.
	And when you do that, it works.
	It really is funny as hell.
	Yeah, it was great.
	And then you had Jason Callan and his Legion jump in on it, too.
	That was part of why it had such a big playoff.
	The New World Order.
	They're obsessed with his red shorts, aren't they?
	Yeah, those red shorts pop off a lot.
	Those made a Jason Callan sort of faded out of the doggab universe, didn't he?
	A little bit.
	Yeah.
	I noticed he was online earlier.
	I saw him on the stage.
	He wasn't posting, but I don't know.
	He's never really, I don't think he really has much interest in Art Better than anything today.
	He sort of popped up for a while just to stir things along a bit.
	But we can thank Rally Squirrel and Sheffis for that, right?
	Yeah, that was.
	No, and I forgot who brought him into the mix exactly.
	I don't know if it was Rally Squirrel or someone else.
	I think he got in contact with him, didn't he?
	I think he was, I think, I think he, yeah, at least I think he was the first person.
	That'd be a good story about how he found him.
	Yeah, because I think the first time I saw he posted a video of Jason Callan sampling this hideous concoction thing.
	No, it's a burger made steak.
	It's a hamburger donut burger or something.
	I mean, the most revolting thing I've ever seen in my life, but he was scoffing it down.
	Hey, not to get off on a tangent, but for the two folks from SV and Steve from England, do they still sell faggots and gravy?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Faggots and gravy.
	Yeah.
	You only get that at the Tenderloin in San Francisco in the States, but they sell it at every supermarket in England.
	Oh, yes, yeah, you get it everywhere.
	It's just a meatball, and I think it's mint liver or something.
	Can someone please send one of those to Falki for a live unboxing video?
	That's great.
	I've been sent for faggots and gravy.
	That'd be the most excited unboxing he has with the biggest letdown afterwards.
	I mean, the whole food tasting thing, you know, he, because he accused Jason kind of copying him.
	Of course, he does, it's the other way around.
	He copies other people and he saw that Jason kind of was sampling food and everything.
	So he thought he'd do the same.
	So he got a bag of crisps.
	And then the next day, he got the same bag of crisps, just a different flavor.
	And I think he repeated this three or four times.
	I never thought this was actually a bad thing.
	He was in a bus.
	I just think it's incredible when he calls every you know, he calls everything from presenting um a bag of mi frozen mixed vegetables to hot dogs to a camera and calls it a haul.
	You know, it's just incredible.
	A haul.
	I had never even been presented with that term until you may remember Fry's Girl, who used to be one of the earlier Bellgab users, and she had these videos on her YouTube channel where she would open up makeup and various other girly items, and she would call them hauls.
	And that was just haul, what in the hell is this newspeak?
	And now everybody says it.
	Where's Fry's Girl?
	I haven't seen her in a very long time.
	She hasn't used the form in a long time.
	Every now and then I'll send her a creepy, stalker-ish message belonging to Linda.
	Hey, Fry's Girl, I miss you.
	And that's all I've seen.
	Yes, it's curious, isn't it?
	People just drop off.
	You sort of want to use an event, but hang on, where did they go?
	I mean, sometimes they disappear in a, you know, in a puff of smoke and they make their displeasure known.
	And some people, they're just not there anymore.
	You know, there's like the one I remember was Anna Grammy, who was around first.
	Anagrammy.
	Keep your socks out of this one.
	And that's right.
	She reacted.
	I don't think I was posting it.
	I remember just reading this and this woman that was posting a lot.
	Then she got deeply offended at something that never posted again.
	And you do find these sort of characters who pop up.
	I'll tell you, on Bell Cab, she is the one poster that I actually had a physical reaction reading her stuff.
	If I didn't puke automatically from it, I would purposely gag myself to puke.
	I felt like that was the appropriate reaction to every post of hers.
	Which could you endure more of, Curtis?
	Anagrammy or scrambled eggs?
	Scrambled eggs.
	And I hate scrambled eggs.
	These are like the nastiest thing.
	That's quite a commentary.
	It is.
	I agree.
	I don't know how you regular humans eat scrambled eggs.
	That's nasty.
	She was one of these people.
	She was a professional.
	She was professionally offended.
	She had these triggers that would offend her.
	And rather than just say to herself, oh, that's some bullshit right there, like most normal people would, she would have to make a big, flowery presentation in written form to explain how offended she is.
	And I said something to her along the lines of, look, there really is nothing off limits when it comes to trying to be funny.
	I mean, you might fail in your efforts to be funny, but you wouldn't just inherently fail because of the subject matter you chose necessarily.
	And then I listed a series of things that could be funny if done right, and one of them was pink socking.
	And she interpreted pink socking as opposed to what it really means.
	She came back and said that it's when a bunch of people put bars of soap in socks and beat a gay guy in the shower.
	This is like, what?
	This is not the definition I'm familiar with.
	I'm profoundly familiar with.
	I don't know where that came from, but that was her exit.
	She was so enraged and incensed at the idea that somebody would find pink socking potentially funny that she had nothing to do with the form after that.
	It's just you never know what it is that's going to cause somebody to pull the plug.
	You just don't know.
	That's why I don't invest heavily in anybody emotionally because you just never know what it is that's going to flip their switch.
	Do you still get the PMs from people saying, that's it, I've had enough.
	You know, this is such and such was the last straw.
	You know, fuck you.
	I don't want to, you know, I'm done with Delgad.
	Do you still get those?
	You know what?
	That actually hasn't happened in recent months as much as it used to.
	I mean, there was a period of time where I probably got one of those per week.
	And I think when I see that, it's like, okay, this is somebody who wants to be talked off the ledge.
	You know, this is somebody who wants to present an opportunity for somebody to inform them of how valuable their presence is and beg them not to go.
	And I just, man, I just can't.
	The psychology behind that nauseates me.
	And so I just naturally, reflexively, do the exact opposite of what they're hoping I'll do, which is to say, hey, there's the door.
	Is there anyone that doesn't post anymore that you think they wish they were still around?
	Or do you just see people come and go these days?
	You think, well, you know, that's just the way it is when you're running a forum.
	Well, there are a couple people who have just sort of disappeared that I actually have missed.
	But you know what?
	I've been watching this.
	I mean, the fifth of this month was the nine-year anniversary of this forum.
	So I've been watching this shit for a long time now.
	And you just sort of, I've gotten used to it.
	You know, I mean, I don't take this personally, any one of you listening right now, but any one of you could just tomorrow stop using the forum, and it wouldn't surprise me.
	I'm not saying it wouldn't bother me.
	I'm telling you, I'm going to call her off the line.
	Forget this.
	I'm not saying it wouldn't bother me, and I'm not saying that I want that to happen.
	I'm just saying that it would not surprise me because there have been people who I thought would just be there until the bitter end when there's nothing left but cockroaches and Keith Richards.
	They would be there forever no matter what.
	And they just sort of disappear.
	I always wish there was some mechanism in place to find out what happened to people.
	I'm sure some of them had to have died, you know, over the course of many years and thousands of people coming and going.
	Some of them have to have died, but there's just no way to know.
	There should be an exit interview before you're allowed to leave.
	We'd like to talk to you about things that we could have done better to make your experience more enjoyable at bellgab.com.
	Well, I have a quote from Anna Grammy here, one of the last ones, to someone named Michael Van Dieven, spelled out completely.
	And her response to Michael Van Dieven's post is, this is an appallingly adolescent.
	Wait, this is appallingly adolescent for a man of your age.
	My children have been.
	Yeah, that sounds about right.
	I can hear Curtis's skin crawling right now, by the way.
	Actually, I just hear.
	Wait, hold on.
	I just threw up in my mouth a little bit later.
	Yeah.
	Appallingly adolescent.
	It's amazing that gag reflex after all these years.
	What a fun woman.
	Do you think you've actually sort of changed the way you run the forum?
	I suppose you've also done a bit for nearly a decade.
	Or do you think it's more or less the same approach?
	Oh, no, it's vastly different.
	It's wildly different.
	I mean, it used to be like you hear people like Jack Starr and White Crow pissing and moaning about getting banned or whatever.
	That shit hasn't happened in a long time.
	I mean, it used to be that if someone just followed me around the forum annoying me, I'd just be like, you know what?
	To hell with this guy, why am I putting up with this?
	And I would just ban them, you know, because it was easier than not doing so.
	But I don't do that anymore.
	Haven't for a long time, which is why, when I see these people that just incessantly go on about being banned or people being banned or just like, what are you talking about?
	Where have you been that I haven't banned someone just for annoying me in, it's at least two years at least, like the Dark Matter days or well.
	I think the last time would be when Art was on the air from midnight in the desert, like if I saw.
	I think one of the last times Jackstar well, take him as an example was banned was during midnight in the desert in one of those live show chat threads and he was just in there doing his you know Jackstarry thing that he does, and it was just so annoying and it was just, he was basically just shitting all over the thread and so he got banned.
	But these, that's, it's been a long time since something like that could get somebody banned.
	And so yes, why was White Crow getting banned?
	What was he doing?
	He doesn't you know, he never struck me as someone who, who would you know you?
	You were banned.
	What was?
	What was his offense?
	I mean, he's been banned about four times, hasn't he altogether over the over the years?
	I think I think twice.
	I don't remember what the second time was for, but the first time my first exposure to White Crow was him prancing about the forum, pissing and moaning about how it was a click forum.
	Just that.
	That was like my first introduction to him.
	It's like man, what a pussy.
	This is my introduction to you, good God, and I just got sick of reading it and I banned him.
	And then and the reason why, which the user does see when they try to access the forum I put not part of the click, just left it at that.
	That was the first time.
	I don't remember what the second time was for, but I sort of remember once in a chat room during a gab cast, that he made a comment about something and, like you, went off immediately.
	It was an epic moment of an mv meltdown, but he just made some kind of dumb joke like you know, move on, or you suck, or something, and it was great.
	Yeah, I don't remember.
	There's some people I just don't like.
	You know, and that's life.
	You know, I can't like everybody.
	Anybody who thinks I should.
	You're not realistic, right?
	Is there anyone hearing my voice right now?
	That likes everybody they run into.
	If you do, then you're a psychopath.
	There's something wrong with you.
	If you like everybody and everything and Bellgab.com is the site for you, go to Bellgab.com and click the donate button on the left-hand side of the menu.
	Yeah, now that you've just been informed by the forum's owner that you may in fact be hated, please donate today.
	He's all the more reason to do it.
	Then it is donate now.
	Yes, we have trained monkeys standing by.
	If you donate at least 49.95, you might get a ride in the official Bellgab 3s.
	it always gets me when people say that um you know that's how we know it used to be such a nice uh Forum two or three years ago.
	I don't know where that comes from.
	And then you go back and then you go back and look at a post from two or three years ago.
	And of course, it's the same.
	It's the same sort of thing.
	When they say ebbs and flows, sometimes it's funny as hell.
	And when people play off each other, they're obviously bouncing and sparking off each other.
	Sometimes it's just funny as hell.
	And then other times it just flattens out and ends up just being, you know, a little bit normal.
	Can I make a request for any ladies or gentlemen, but primary ladies in the chat room, if you received any creepy PMs from White Crow?
	Could you tell us what they were?
	I thought you were going to ask for pictures.
	Or if he submitted pictures.
	Well, I have to share this from the chat room.
	This is from Window Licker in there asking if White Crow, does he really ejaculate on all the hoodies that he sends out?
	Of course he does.
	Don't say that.
	I knew it.
	I didn't wash it before I wore it.
	And you shouldn't have.
	I'm sure you're fine.
	Oh.
	All right.
	MV, do you have any?
	I would like to point out that I was the first person to make a thing out of the whole, this is White Crow.
	That was my thing.
	So anytime you do that, you're actually paying homage to me.
	You can do a donation to Van Deeven Enterprises and Bellgab.com at the left hand of the menu.
	Who is, by the way, people here will know, who is Morphe Flow?
	I keep seeing that.
	Oh, the end of the show.
	Thanks, everybody.
	You, the Outro Music.
	It was a great show.
	By the way, there has been a resolution to that case.
	Has there?
	Go ahead and explain that.
	Yes, Morphe Flow is a former Bell Gab user who was arrested.
	If you'll go to Google and search for, just search for Morphe Flow, all one word, M-O-R-P-H-I-A flow.
	And that'll inevitably enable you to connect the dots to find the real guy and his subsequent arrest on charges of child pornography.
	And the case is over with.
	He pleaded guilty to, I don't remember what charge he ultimately pleaded guilty to, but I think it was sexual exploitation of a minor.
	And he ended up having to be monitored for the rest of his life.
	But he didn't do any jail time.
	I was really surprised by that.
	It's just, you know what?
	This country is such a bag of shit.
	You steal money from somebody, you commit a financial crime, you do fraud.
	Basically, in America, here are the rules.
	You can pretty much ask children.
	Well, he didn't necessarily do that.
	He wasn't accused of that, but that's in the same ballpark, let's say.
	You can commit that sort of crime and potentially walk free.
	But by God, if you steal somebody's money, if you commit fraud, if you do a financial crime in this country, you are so going to jail.
	Yeah, it's sad.
	Well, I was going to say, with drugs, you get caught with those, and you're going to have the book flamed at you.
	Something that is actually a terrible crime that we should truly be throwing the book at you.
	I can't believe that he's not in jail just from the little bit that I remember seeing about that in the beginnings of it.
	I just assumed this guy, because he pretty much admitted to most of it early on, didn't he?
	And then they had the evidence from his computer, if I remember correct, that I didn't believe.
	I will say I've been in contact with somebody who claims to know a lot about the case, and based on the level of detail they've given me, I think that they are close to the case.
	And let's just say the amount of evidence was astonishing, according to this person.
	And so I'm really surprised he managed not to go to jail.
	But whatever.
	I don't know the particulars of the case, and I don't know what was argued in court.
	By the way, Dinah X in the chat says, see, I knew this was going to happen.
	I might be one of those people that MV doesn't like.
	Or maybe I just got on his bad side that day.
	No, you're fine, dude.
	I don't dislike you.
	As a matter of fact, I'm sitting here trying to recall what it may have been where our paths may have even negatively crossed.
	That happens a lot, too.
	People think I don't like them for some reason, and I don't even have any clue what it is that caused them to think that.
	I think it's Tiger Lily.
	She says, I got a hoodie, but I also signed a non-disclosure contract.
	I think she needs to call in and tell us what that is.
	I agree.
	And you can call in using Skype at live show space99 or by phone with 317-708-4500.
	We are ready to take your call.
	We want to receive it.
	We want to know what the non-disclosure contract is.
	Yeah, please disclose that to us.
	Yeah, that needs to be disclosed.
	Well, Dinah X says, what proprietary secrets could White Crow possibly have?
	The name of a sweatshop hoodie maker.
	Nice.
	So was there recently on Bellgab?
	Was there like an awards thread?
	Yes, we did.
	Yes.
	Thank you for reminding me about that.
	Yeah, I do want to make sure we can go over that a little bit to see who won what.
	Yeah, do you want me to get this started off or anyone else want to take it?
	I'm fine with anyone.
	Actually, hold on just a second.
	I've got another caller here.
	Let's add them to the call.
	All right, you there, Caller?
	No, okay, let's move on to that's weird.
	Okay, so let's start with the best use of a profile avatar 2017.
	Our nominees were Sandman Logan 5, Bartell.
	Can you describe the avatar of each user, or is that going to be a bit difficult?
	I can't because some of them have changed since.
	Well, hold on.
	I'll do as much as I can.
	Sandman's nomination that was done by Star Mountain is like a cool fractal looking image.
	Then we have Bartell.
	That's a good one.
	Yeah, so I don't see that avatar here, though.
	Bartell's a good one.
	Can you describe it?
	It's a picture of a guy who has these crazy bug teeth.
	And I want to say, I don't remember the name of the guy, but I think he's involved in the music industry.
	I think he's a producer or a Christian, isn't he?
	Yeah, he's from Quebec.
	He's a French-speaking Canadian comedian.
	Oh, is he?
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, that was useless information from Envy.
	Thank you for that.
	We'll just go ahead and list out who they are.
	When I first saw that picture, I thought it was sort of Dustin Hoffman in some sort of weird makeup.
	Dustin Hoffman starring in Belgab, the movie.
	Yeah, I had to do an image search to see who it was.
	I mean, I had no idea who it was.
	Yeah, we've got to get Dustin Hoffman as a member on Belgab.
	We have to.
	No, but Envy, where you got that from, I was reading some posts from Bardell.
	He said that he is a producer in the music industry.
	So, maybe that's where that came from.
	Or the user, Bart L, is a producer in the market in one of his posts.
	That's what he says.
	He's like a producer in the music industry.
	Nice.
	See, there's all kinds of talent.
	It just proves to me that I'm really wasting my life away.
	Of course.
	But you knew that already.
	Star Mountain is one of our profile avatars.
	This was specific to the legs profile, I believe.
	Jackstar is in it.
	And we had, I'm going to mess this up completely, but Rick's Jens.
	Is that how you say that username?
	R-I-X-G-I-E-S.
	Yeah.
	Then K-Dub and Rekoff.
	So, you guys ready?
	We need like a, I don't have a drum roll.
	I was counting on Jazz being here to be my clip master, but he failed me.
	So there we go.
	And our winner was Sandman Logan 5.
	Oh, wait, I guess I do have that sound clip.
	Okay, so I thought that was a fun one to start with.
	Let's go to now: best use of an image or YouTube video in a thread.
	First is Falky's Tornado Warning Blink video.
	So this was a video where he was doing one of his first live streams and there was nothing.
	Next is Bateman using Mr. Bean as a response in the Malliard thread.
	And I thought that was a really good one, too.
	That was impressive.
	And then A.K. Willie's Burning Pooh original photo.
	And then Walks at Night 100 years ago department store photo of a girl that he was infatuated with, which took me a little bit to understand.
	But once I got it, I'm like, okay, yeah, that was cool.
	So let's go ahead and who do you guys think won?
	I don't know if you already looked at these threads or not.
	I went ahead and let everyone see it before the show just to create some conversation out of it.
	But if you haven't seen it, who do you think won from that list?
	Falky.
	All right, we've got a Falky vote.
	Anything else that you want to reveal?
	Let's have the reveal.
	All right.
	That would be A.K. Willie and his Burning Pooh original photo.
	Hey, way to go, A.K.A. Willie.
	Excellent.
	All right.
	Congratulations there, A.K. Willie.
	You're a gentleman and a scholar for posting photos of Pooh.
	We'll always be rewarded for good content.
	That's true.
	And shit posts are the.
	Stream rises to the top.
	It does.
	This reminds me, stroll down memory lane.
	One of my favorite parts of UFOShip.com.
	I just want to call you Michael.
	Michael was the photos of bathrooms around the country or world, maybe even.
	It was called Bathroom Tour 2007.
	That was great.
	That's when I first understood your level of humor or like where you were coming from with it.
	And it's just been great ever since.
	You know, you have mentioned that to me from time to time over the years, and I'm glad to know that Bathroom Tour 2007 may have been at least partially responsible for bringing the two of us together.
	I know.
	It is.
	Definitely.
	But they took the porta potty out of your local neighborhood park, right?
	No, I recall one of the bathrooms was in Columbus, Ohio.
	There was another in Laredo, Texas.
	There was another in Tunkanock, Pennsylvania.
	Another in Mahoopany, Pennsylvania.
	Boy, I tell you what, I spent a lot of time on Indian reservations, actually.
	Don't ask questions, ladies and gentlemen.
	So you really are the person behind the rumor of how Art was going to start his return in the Indian Reservation or the Native American Reservation, whatever it was called.
	You know what I used to actually do?
	Because I traveled so much and I used so many.
	Unfortunately, I had to use so many public restrooms that I would actually write my domain name, ufoship.com, on the wall of the bathroom.
	And that was a big chunk of, pardon the use of the word chunk relative to this conversation, but that is a huge component, I'll word it that way, of my initial guerrilla marketing efforts.
	For a good time, ufoship.com.
	Did he put dimensions in?
	Yeah, that's a yes.
	No answer is a yes.
	Well, I thought maybe you'd move on.
	I was going to say yes, but in centimeters, it just really throws people off when you use centimeters.
	They have trouble doing the conversion.
	And the last thing you want to be doing in that moment is when you're trying to decide which number to call is converting anything.
	Yeah, you don't need to come to no.
	Right.
	Let's jump to one of our big ones, which is the best thread of 2017.
	Our choices are the Dutch sign.
	I think is that sign?
	S-I-N-S-E?
	I'm not sure how you say that.
	Earthquake forecasting.
	Then we have the Burning Pooh thread.
	Is that right?
	Then 100 years ago today.
	Then one that I'm still scared because I think I've been triggered to do something because of this thread.
	The My Name is Kevin and I Am a Hybrid thread.
	I have never opened that.
	Don't do it, okay?
	I'm telling you, I went to Starbucks and I ordered a Big Mac, and I'm a vegetarian after going to that thread.
	I'm not sure what happened.
	Then you have Q-Tips, which is a classic thread about uses of a box of Q-Tips.
	Then you have the Trump thread.
	Is that Aldous Burbank's thread?
	No, it's a Camatose, however, you know the person.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's his thread.
	Oh, Camazot's Automat.
	Yeah, Automat.
	I couldn't think of that last part.
	Okay, then you have the Trump thread.
	Then you have the other side of Midnight.
	Then Amy's thread.
	This thread, which would have been the best thread, and then the succubus thread.
	So who do you guys think won this?
	Amy's fit just to see what excuse she comes up with for not doing the show that week.
	That's true.
	It's always interesting.
	She got some water in her ears.
	Suffering from polycystical variant syndrome.
	Oh, right.
	It could be over almost anything.
	So it's certainly creative.
	So that's the one that always sticks in.
	I think it's the Hoagland thread.
	You do?
	I think it is too.
	No, I think it has to be.
	And you are correct.
	That is who it is.
	It's the other side of midnight.
	Really quick, though, you guys just reminded me of something.
	I'd like to play out what I would consider one of the best moments in Amy history.
	I need a volunteer, though, to play the part of Amy in this, and I'll play the part of MV.
	So who must be my volunteer?
	I'll do it.
	Okay.
	What I need you to do is to the statement I mentioned that I say, just say, I got nothing.
	Okay.
	So what do you guys want to talk about tonight?
	I got nothing.
	There we go.
	Great moments in Amy's history.
	Everyone knows what that's from, right?
	Yeah, isn't that the Alongside Night or something like that?
	Remember that show?
	You know what it is, MV, right?
	That was from when she co-hosted the Gabcast.
	And I went on with my usual, you know, free association rambling thing for a while until I just sort of ran out of steam.
	And I was like, okay, so what do you guys want to talk about?
	And Amy just comes in with, I got nothing.
	And I just immediately responded.
	And that's Amy Martin, ladies and gentlemen.
	You can hear her show weekly, Wednesdays at 7 p.m.
	Didn't have Mr. Fidget there to take up the slack.
	You know, just talk about modern toilet paper quilting procedures.
	I don't know anything.
	I got nothing.
	Who says that?
	Yeah.
	Well, and that was my first time ever really hearing her on the radio.
	I'm like riveting.
	That's great.
	But I thought, you know, that's fine.
	I got nothing.
	People, you know, ordinary people.
	But she's got a fucking show.
	What do you mean you've got nothing?
	No.
	Well, not only that, but she spent like two, there were like, there was like a two-week run-up to that episode of the Gabcast that she was going to be appearing on that she knew she was going to be on.
	So you would think most people would come up with a few little things they would store away, just maybe like a flowchart inside their mind of things.
	Okay, if dead air, talk about this.
	If not dead air, wait to talk about that.
	Didn't the show last about half an hour in the end or something?
	It was just, oh, that's it.
	Ultimately, MB said, I got nothing and pulled the plug on it.
	Man, that was something, wasn't it?
	Well, I also love the moment when she said, I was told I should be a part of this.
	I was told I should be a part of this.
	Did she say that?
	Yeah.
	During it, during the show.
	Oh, my God.
	So that's like her attempt, I guess, at making sure that everybody knows that it's really a little bit beneath her to be there, and she wouldn't have actively sought it out but for the fact someone informed her she needs to do it.
	Okay.
	Well, that's how it came across to me.
	No, I was saying that's exactly how it came across to me.
	It seems like there's like topics she didn't want to talk about and she's trying to be this radio professional and that the content of a gab cast would be quite a bit beneath her, as you say.
	That's how it came across to me.
	How do you feel about that?
	She doesn't feel like people are the only funny person.
	How do you feel about people who come on and use the site to promote whatever they're doing?
	Do you care or do you know you're not really bothered one way or the other?
	People will come on and they've got a show and they'll come on and they'll sort of just using the site just to get the word out.
	Does it bother you or do you is it not really matters?
	As long as they're an actual human being, as long as I don't get the impression that they're just a bot literally spamming the forum, then it doesn't bother me.
	And like Amy's thread, for example, she's one of these people that have absolutely no use for Bellgab To promote her podcasts that she occasionally does and to apparently squeeze air conditioning units out of people.
	And I don't mind that so much because it's at least giving the people who use the forum something to talk about.
	You know, people are actively engaged in the thread, so it serves the purpose for the people who use the forum.
	So I guess I don't really mind it too much, no.
	It always struck me that when she started with this thread of hers, she always came across as very neurotic.
	She sounded like a sort of a more intelligent sort of falkey.
	She'd just write way too much about all sorts of odd details that really nobody has any business knowing.
	She was going to put her health and all sorts of aspects of her life and everything.
	And then it all sort of stopped for one reason or another.
	And I don't know, I suppose she just got bored.
	But whatever.
	But yes, that kind of thing is kind of sort of entertaining.
	But yes, you say that.
	Well, I mean, in terms of Falki, you're right, because didn't she do a fundraising series of shows to get an air conditioner in her apartment?
	Did she really?
	Yeah, she did.
	She squeezed an AT unit out of Bellgab.
	I wasn't joking about that.
	Wow.
	Really?
	Oh, I must ask that.
	When you compare her to Falky, I think there is something there.
	Yeah.
	I just don't particularly care for her because to me, she comes across as a millennial cliche.
	Everything's offensive.
	She upward inflects the end of every sentence.
	She starts every third sentence with the word so.
	It's just like, God, can you be any more inside the box in terms of your presentation here?
	Come on.
	That's not just that the whole business of people start the sentence with so.
	That seems to have, that's multi-generational.
	It's not just.
	There has to be some sort of legislation on that.
	People that do it have to be slapped.
	Along with vocal fry.
	Oh, I swear to God, I never noticed it.
	Question inflections at the end of every sentence and like used as punctuation.
	like i hate to take us away from uh what would actually be a really interesting topic for us to jump down but we are gonna we're coming up on our next segment soon so i want to Well, you guys, it's been really fun.
	Thank you.
	Have a good night.
	And don't forget to go to bellgab.com and click donate in the menu.
	Praise Envy.
	Praise me.
	Nice.
	Okay, so we are getting ready to have what I would say is our big surprise and keystone moment of the show tonight.
	Chefus, thank you for joining us.
	I'm glad you were able to get in and do everything else.
	Great show, and I'm going to keep listening.
	All right, thank you.
	Feel free to call in.
	I think you're going to want to be part of the next segment as well.
	I can't wait.
	Good night, guys.
	Steve, SV, good night.
	Yeah, good night.
	All right.
	Thanks.
	So our next guest, I guess before I go much farther, let me also say we have a few more awards that we're going to talk about after our next segment.
	We still have our best male poster, best female poster, and the coveted award of the night, which is the Bell Gabber of the Year.
	But our next guest, who's going to be coming on in just a few moments, right at the bottom of the hour, is someone who is, I'd say, a lightning rod of Bell Gab activity.
	The thread they created is one where they interact with people in a way that surprises me.
	They're very honest about their position, and I'm pretty sure we're going to get to hear them state that multiple times.
	And they're going to take calls from Bell Gabbers to bring a live audio version of the thread they have for everyone tonight.
	I know SVN and YP, you guys know who this is, and I think you're both pretty excited about this, aren't you?
	Oh, yes, it's certainly intriguing.
	As you say, he or she is a polarizing figure, and certainly is.
	And yeah, it's interesting.
	Certainly, it's interesting things to say.
	Let's push that.
	Yeah, well, you know, you know, I think I'm not sure who mentioned it, but one of you guys did about science guests on shows and whether or not you're interested in hearing the details of that guest and what they're plugging.
	And it just makes me think: how important is it to you as a listener of Coast or Midnight in the Desert or any other show that is getting to a topic of paranormal?
	How important is it to you that you hear facts about what they're saying?
	Or do you want to hear a good story?
	Well, I don't think you can separate the two, really.
	I mean, if you just shows I found that I found least interesting were the ones that somebody says, I've been, I was abducted by UFOs and they took me up in a ship and this, that, and the other happened to me.
	And it's just a story, isn't it?
	Anyone can say it, and it's not rooted in any kind of reality.
	You know, people can just say whatever comes into their head.
	If that's the sort of thing that interests you, you find, but there's nothing to corroborate it.
	But if there are other people who can add something to the story, I mean, like, oh, the who's the guy, Travis Wilson, for example.
	You know, there are other people there who can add things that he, you know, I mean, he can, he, you know, he gives you all the stuff about going up in a spaceship and things, but there are other people you see that saw that he was, he went missing for a period of time and everything.
	So you've got the two, you've got the two aspects there.
	So, you know, I think you do need a blend of the two to make it interesting.
	Right.
	But yeah, I don't think just a story on its own is particularly interesting.
	Not to me, anyway.
	Okay, so we do have our guest for the 10.30 segment for the Bell Gabathon with us.
	Michael Horne, are you there?
	Yes, I think so.
	Awesome.
	You sound good.
	Everything's coming through well.
	Can you hear us just fine?
	I can, actually, yes.
	Okay, great.
	So tonight, what we're doing is what we've labeled this the Bell Gabathon.
	And of course, you've been a Bell Gabber now for some time.
	And yeah, which has with all kinds of things, right, that go along with it.
	Your thread has become what I would say is a lightning rod on the forum where you're willing to take from all corners comments and questions from Bell Gabbers to either try to poke holes in your story or whatever.
	You get things from all kinds of sides.
	So on the call right now, you've also got myself.
	I'm the Mud King.
	I'm Mud King.
	How are you doing?
	We've communicated a couple times, a handful of times on the forum.
	We've also got Yorkshire Pudd, who I think has posted in your thread.
	Yeah.
	And Strandstar.
	Great.
	Great.
	It's great.
	So what we're going to do for the next 30 minutes, and we definitely have some time to go over, if you'd like to, is just going to let you talk.
	This is your chance to take us any direction you want to.
	You can talk about Bell Gab.
	You can talk about anything else.
	We'll take some callers too along the way.
	We were just looking for your contribution since you are a very active Bell Gabber.
	Well, yes, I'm not as active as most of the people who are much more regular on there, but I do try to participate into, how should I put it, stimulate commentary and things like that.
	And in terms of my perspective, as I probably have, I think, alluded to, if not said outright, I don't take anything personally, even though I know much of it may be, you know, meant that way.
	But I take my work to be, you know, I would say sincerely and seriously, but not always seriously.
	And I do drop in to different online locales with commentaries and links to blogs and everything else because I actually think it's about the most important thing I can do, not necessarily at Bell Gab, but to try to bring people awareness of the work that I'm involved in and the Meyer contacts as well.
	And so I am, pardon me, I'm a little dry.
	It's very dry up here tonight.
	Yeah, so I am open to questions and challenges and commentaries.
	And there are, just before I just stop saying anything, but I know people have questions and challenges about various aspects of the Meyer case.
	And the Meyer case is a very complex matter.
	So with that, I'll stop and see what you guys have to say.
	Yeah, so feel free to jump in.
	Quite the awesome.
	Okay, well, how did there's Billy Maher and there's a dozen or many dozens of other UFO cases?
	Where do you stand in relation to those?
	Is it just Billy Maher that you're interested in?
	have no interest, or would you give any credence to any other alien reports and sightings?
	Okay, that's a good one, because since I got into the Meyer case, even before as a kid, I was interested in space things, but I would, disks and lights in the sky were part of something in my own dreams and memories from a very early age.
	When I first saw the Meyer photo book in 79, it struck me very strongly as being quite authentic.
	And I haven't changed my opinion.
	I just simply have a lot more to go on, including which I put at the end of level importance, my own sighting, my own experiences, etc.
	So in the past almost 40 years since I became familiar with the Meyer case, I've seen and looked into to various depths and degrees into other so-called claimed cases.
	Now, there are all sorts of UFOs, but it doesn't make them extraterrestrial.
	I think there's a small percentage of extraterrestrial UFOs.
	I've had seven sightings of UFOs, only two, maybe three of which I would think were extraterrestrial and one of which I was sure.
	But most of the stuff we see, I kind of side not only with Meyer, but with this guy named Joe up here who was in weapons development, secret military and stuff, that most of it is secret military development.
	And I'm less interested in UFOs.
	So in terms of other cases, was Roswell real?
	Yes, I think so.
	And there were numerous crashes, most of which we probably haven't heard about.
	And there were some, I think, events where people did have sightings of extraterrestrial craft and maybe had some very brief encounter with other extraterrestrial beings.
	What I'm most concerned about is the significance because, you know, the confirmed existence of extraterrestrial life, that which would be acknowledged scientifically would be the single most important development in human history, and it would be exceeded only by confirmed contact with extraterrestrial life forms.
	And then one more step is there'd have to be a reason. for an advanced race, presuming it exists, to have anything to do with any of us on Earth.
	So I'm not impressed in terms of significance and also, for the most part, authenticity of claims by other so-called contactees.
	And even if we could say, okay, they're all telling the truth, they all have had some kind of contact, where is the significance?
	What has it brought to us, except kind of, you know, a late-night fascination either with radio or blogs or what have you.
	So the Meyer case is authentic, and my position after almost 40 years is singularly authentic as an ongoing, deliberate, face-to-face, voluntary, you know, contact case between an Earth man and people from another world.
	Can you remind us, like you said, for 40 years you've been studying this case.
	What was it that brought you to, first off, to see the Billy Meyer evidence, and then second, made you decide to dedicate so much of your time to it?
	Sure.
	Pardon me.
	Well, as I say, the first thing was I walked into a bookstore in Los Angeles in 1979, and there was the first photo book.
	And I looked at it and I said, wow, that's real.
	You know, it's like, this isn't lights in the sky.
	These are real objects.
	And here was a story in this photo book, information about the investigation, the man, the investigators, some of the other testing that had been done in different ways on photos and metals.
	And I thought, wow, that is really, you know, that is something else.
	So then it wasn't until 1986 when I was in a little cafe in Sedona with my daughter and with a lady I knew that we ran into another guy sitting at the far end.
	You know, you're waiting for your avocado sandwich in Sedona for like growing it or something.
	And so we called this guy over, hey, you want to join us?
	And we got to talking about the phenomenon of Sedona, UFOs, and then Billy Meyer came up.
	This is 1986.
	And this guy said, well, have you read the contact reports?
	I said, what's that?
	He said, well, those quotes that are in the book you have, there's 1,800 pages of conversation spanning three years.
	When you get back to LA, come on up.
	I'll give it to you.
	I did.
	He did.
	I had this stuff.
	And by the way, this guy's name was Ralph Amigron.
	He was a retired, among other strange things, retired IRS agent who was kind of on the verge of no work at all.
	Then he reinvented himself.
	He calls himself Alex Collier.
	And dramatic contactee.
	I spent time with this guy.
	Well, you know, that's a whole other story, and it was just silly.
	But I was grateful to him for that because I spent months reading this material.
	So the next bump really was, I get this material in 86.
	In 1988, I open a local newspaper in Green Del Rey, California, and there's a new discovery from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories.
	New.
	A-bomb testing tied to ozone damage.
	They're listing a percentage in there and all this stuff.
	And as I'm reading it, just first paragraph, I go, how come I already know this?
	I instinctively reached under the bed where I had these 18 blocks of 100 page documents.
	The first one from 1975, the alleged Pleiarin are telling Meyer about the ozone damage connected to A-bomb testing.
	And they remind him that he already knew about this in the 50s.
	And I'm going, what?
	So that kicked off an attentiveness, if you will, for scientific information that was being announced as new discoveries, whether in newspapers or TV or radio.
	And that is when my whole focus shifted.
	And I went, wow, wait a minute.
	The UFO thing, that's not what the important matter is.
	The extraterrestrial element is important only because there appear to be these other people that are, you know, apart from pretty miraculous if they're real, they're conveying this information to this man who, how else is he going to know this, you know, 30 years, 20 years before we officially discover stuff?
	And this is what we, you know, this is what really had me go, oh my gosh, this is something else.
	So have you studied the Edgar Casey prophecies and stuff?
	Like, how does that, just because it's similar in terms of him communicating with something and getting future information?
	You know, I did read some of Edgar Cayce's stuff years ago, and I was particularly interested in his medical, I think, like diagnoses for people.
	He would, you know, be able to, when he, the sleeping prophet, I think he was called.
	And in the Meyer material, I mean, I didn't know what to make of it other than, wow, this guy's really interesting and apparently accurate.
	And they explained in the Meyer material, like, again, this is just according to the information in this case.
	I'm not telling you this is true.
	This part of it, I can't prove it.
	But they said he was an unusual, a gifted guy who had a form of a schizophrenia, whereby he would go into sleep and then he could access information.
	Now, in his trance state, and based on his personality as being a religious person, you know, being raised religiously and all that, he had a religious tint or tinge to his information at times.
	But that he was able to bring forward some very accurate stuff.
	And one of the things that Casey, that stood out for me, I remembered that he had said, under the Great Pyramid in Egypt, there's a spaceship.
	Well, when I read the Meyer material about the negative ET race that was based underneath the Great Pyramid in Egypt until 1978, and how Meyer was shown their base and all this stuff, and a huge ship under there, I'm going, oh my God.
	And that Meyer, he was shown that stuff, I think it was either 53 or 56.
	And this preceded my knowing about Edgar Casey's having, you know, said anything about a spaceship underneath Sphinx and all that.
	But if it was with Meyer, if it was one thing or two things or three things, you could say, well, the guy's a plagiarist, a lucky guesser, he's got a good imagination.
	But we've now charted over 200 specific examples of prophetically accurate scientific information that he simply couldn't have access to.
	And some of it, sure, anywhere from six months to 60 plus years.
	So in there, you've got a really ponderable kind of a situation.
	You're going to go, my goodness, how do you really explain this and everything else that comes with it?
	Yes.
	Does Meyer speak English?
	He speaks a bit of English, but not great and not as much any longer because he's 80 now.
	He's gone through a whole bunch of health stuff.
	He just had a heart valve replacement and all that.
	And when I went going there the first number of years that I went there, he would speak to me in English.
	It was a little halting at times, but we could communicate.
	Then several years ago, he said, from now on, just please come and speak German.
	My German is still not very good.
	I try to amp it up a bit before I get there.
	I was never a German speaker and I tried to learn.
	And then there are people who speak both languages who can assist with translation.
	For instance, there is someone going over there.
	I'll be able to maybe report more on this.
	It's a fascinating thing.
	Someone who's going to see him in a few weeks, who's wanted to meet him for a long time, and I facilitated that.
	And the people were informed that one of his people will be there to help translate accurately because Billy's English is getting worse or something.
	They put it that way.
	So he's not going to sit there and converse freely and fluidly that way.
	He can make himself understood, but not to the degree that he can in his native tongue.
	So why would I mean that's the question I understand?
	Why would an alien race communicate with somebody who doesn't speak, you know, doesn't speak English?
	You'd think this information could be disseminated to more powerful people where it would have more influence, don't you?
	Sure.
	Sure.
	No, I understand your question.
	And of course, it's often asked.
	Let me give you the answer according to the information of the case.
	And I try to always cover that way because there are things that are simply expressed in the case that I have no way of proving or disproving.
	I will stand behind saying the case is authentic.
	I haven't found inaccurate information.
	Certainly no scientifically inaccurate.
	However, to answer your question, what's said in this case is this.
	The German language is the most precise for communicating all sorts of thoughts philosophically, scientifically, everything else.
	It's the best language for communication, according to this.
	English has been further bastardized, if you will, by American English, you know, and we go down the drain with text literature, whatever you want to call it.
	And British English, they really prefer that if things are translated and all that stuff, that they use the best of British English because there are some distinctions between the British and American English.
	However, there are reasons we are told why Meyer was chosen.
	And of course, this is a man living in Switzerland, the country of neutrality.
	And, you know, there are reasons for this case occurring.
	I'm hesitant to just offer information that you maybe aren't asking for.
	So I want to make sure if I, did I answer your question or am I halfway there?
	Now carry on.
	I understand you.
	Okay.
	So Meyer, this is where, of course, people like to go, oh, yeah, this is the wacky stuff.
	According to the information in the case, reincarnation is a fact of life.
	We don't know it yet in our world, and we don't not know it.
	We either believe it or we don't.
	Because we have no science at this point that can establish the existence of what they refer to as the human spirit, which they claim in the sense is a kind of holograph of the universe that is in every living human being.
	The human spirit is present.
	The soul is something else.
	It's temporary, transitory, and the spirit is that part that is immortal.
	It is not a personality.
	They claim that the spirit reincarnates into a completely different and new personality.
	Each human being living on earth has had many and will have many more with no real connection for the most part to previous personalities, with some exceptions when there is a particular strong, let's use the word mission, and I don't use it in religious terms at all, or in terms of belief systems.
	That's why this is not to be believed.
	We can accept it not.
	We can't do anything with this information other than ponder it.
	What is said in this case is this.
	The spirit that animates this man, Billy Edward Albert Meyer, is the same evolving spirit that animated six previous personalities who were prophets in our world, all of whom, including Meyer, came for the same purpose, which can only be fulfilled beginning in this, the electronic age, when the information can be presented and preserved so that it can't be casually corrupted and turned into a cult,
	a religion, or a belief system.
	Now, some people have said, oh, this is a cult.
	No, by all definitions, it isn't.
	I don't know how much time you want to spend on that.
	But basically, what I'm trying to say is the reason is tied into a very ancient mission between the alleged Pleiaran extraterrestrials and Earth people,
	and especially a particular spirit that had played this role before, the thankless role of being teacher, prophet, whatever you want to call it, and other people who were part of an extraterrestrial society that came here along with this personality 13,500 years ago to try to bring some of this,
	to bring it all, at best, to this world that we might prevent what was otherwise foreseen to be probably the self-destruction of our species.
	I want to ask you a question with something you just mentioned there about this being basically, or we're coming into a time when this information can be disseminated better.
	Do you think part of that, and maybe this is in some of the prophecies, that artificial intelligence or machine learning in some way that computers can do something that people can't, or an evolution that helps us understand it better?
	Or is there any kind of connection to artificial intelligence?
	Sure.
	It's a double-edged sword, but just so you know, Meyer wrote a fair amount, you know, not volumes, but there's a fair amount in what's called the Henna prophecies from 1987 and in Contact 251, foretelling, among other things,
	that during these times, with the advancement in weaponry, which would go to lasers and biological chemical, as well as artificial cloned and robotic warriors, he was already talking about this in 87.
	And the great danger is that the computerized weapons take on a life and mind of their own.
	Further developments in technological adjustments and modifications to human beings are specifically foretold in Contract 251 from 1995.
	Things that will be done when highly advanced chips will be attached to nerve endings.
	People will actually have limbs amputated so that certain high-tech stuff can be attached directly into nerves, empowering the brain to have extreme, extremely powerful consciousness abilities.
	This doesn't bode well necessarily.
	There will be a race of robot people.
	A lot of stuff that, you know, you could say, oh, it's just science fiction.
	Well, Meyer goes into some fair amount of detail about it.
	The thing is, we're trying to rush into transhumanism without becoming full human beings.
	It'd be helpful.
	But we are on an evolutionary spiral that has, especially in what we would call now this Aquarian age that we're entering, it will have the good, the bad, and the ugly, and especially with technology just skyrocketing and making exponential developments.
	But science, you know, like a butter knife, it's a double-edged sword.
	can do good things with it and you can do horrific things with it and we will do both.
	Yeah, so you had mentioned the word cult in there and how you're saying that what you're doing and what Billy Meyer is promoting isn't a cult.
	What do you think about things that do fit into that category by most of mainstream?
	And I'll use Scientology as an example of it, but there's plenty of other subjects that have had that label applied to it.
	When you see things like that, what's your opinion?
	What do you say?
	Well, it's funny you mentioned Scientology because I think it was back in about 53 or 56, at the time that Meyer was told that his biggest adversary would be an organization called MUFON.
	They also warned about a cult that would arise up and be very dangerous in different places in the world and that the creator of the cult would be a science fiction writer named Ron Hubbert.
	They actually, that has been published for a long time.
	Cults are, quite frankly, I mean, our major religions are cults.
	I'll just tell you, I just came back.
	I got invited to a Passover dinner.
	I guess it's called a Seder tonight with a friend of mine.
	And I don't have a religious bone in my body.
	And I said, well, you know, I'm not religious.
	They said, it's okay.
	Come on.
	It's going to be a great dinner.
	And I said, well, now you got me.
	So, you know, all of these things have their myths.
	They've got their stories.
	And it's, to me, it's dreadful in a sense.
	So people can be lovely, but these things are so corrupting of reason, of logic, of self-responsibility, of reality.
	You're waiting for saviors and, you know, Sky Daddy is supposed to do this.
	And all the evidence over thousands of years is that there ain't nobody paying attention to all of your crazy prayers anyhow.
	And why are we turning our power over to false leaders in politics, to religious leaders, to governments?
	So that is really anathema to anybody who's truly involved in the study of the Meyer case because they are, you know, the reason this case is largely suppressed as well as attacked, it has a lot to do with religious influences that know about it as well as governmental.
	And they are openly critical of this type of stuff.
	They don't condemn people who believe whatever they want to believe.
	They just say the beliefs, the stories, these things are mind-enslaving.
	They always lead to bloodthirsty stuff.
	If you have a cult like, you know, they turn into these doomsday experiences for people where they kill off their members like Jonestown or that guy, Marshall Apple White or whatever his name is, you know, they commit suicide.
	And it's all craziness.
	And when people say to me, well, it's the Meyer cult, and I say, look, has anybody ever knocked in your door and asked you to join the Meyer cult?
	Have they solicited you for money?
	Are they sending you belief systems with glowing halo, you know, enshrouded photographs, Billy Meyer?
	This is a guy I've known for almost 20 years who's the least likely kind of a figure, but because he's at the center of this, oh my gosh, he must be a cult leader.
	And he must have all these women that he know.
	And the people that have accused him, they've described things that don't exist literally, like the physical location of the center and what's on the property.
	Oh, he has five houses with five women.
	No, there's no five houses and there's no five women.
	And good gosh, can we deal with this on the merits?
	Look, we have people like Martin Luther King, who was a great, you know, motivating human being.
	He had a very colorful private life.
	You know, he was somebody that seemed to be a secret that he was engaged in hanky-panky and doing stuff.
	Meyer has acted as a surrogate stepfather.
	You see how that statement there, though, might cause some people to start to come up against what you're saying.
	What you're saying, Martin Luther King.
	He was an amazing person.
	And I think it's simply a matter of some degree of record.
	Let's put it this way, at least, that he was said to have had some affairs on the side.
	I'm not disputing what you're saying because I don't know the facts on it.
	But I'm just saying that as far as like a leader of inspirational merit, at least in the United States, I could see where people would check out of hearing the next thing you say when they hear that.
	Yeah, well, it's okay because, look, I thought that Martin Luther King was one of the most amazing people that lived and certainly a most amazing American, just loaded to the gills with courage.
	And I felt that way about Muhammad Ali as well.
	I thought he was remarkable.
	We're all flawed.
	Everybody makes mistakes.
	Meyer, the Pleiaran, assuming any of those beings are real.
	Martin Luther King, you, me, and everybody else.
	So, you know, during these days, when we hear all of this stuff, fake news, alternative news, this and that, we know that this world is full of corruption and decay and degeneracy.
	And anybody who's courageous enough to try to carry that banner forward and they live their personal lives.
	And if they're not harming people, you know, they're not pedophiles and all the rest of this terrible stuff.
	Let people live and make their contribution.
	This is why it's unrealistic when, you know, people forget Meyer's not setting himself up as a perfect being.
	And these Pleiaran people are not perfect either.
	Their own history.
	And again, just for those that are going to say, well, I don't believe it.
	It's okay.
	I'm just saying, alleged.
	We'll say it one last time.
	They had thousands and thousands of years of grief and destruction and war.
	These are high-tech warriors like Star Tech, Star Wars, Star Trek on steroids.
	They're running around doing all this crazy stuff until they settle themselves down and become peaceful.
	And that's part of the motivation for these contacts, for this mission, because they have to get themselves straight.
	And there are, if it's to be said, there are other beings, there are other human beings in the universe, space travelers who in the past came here as well, who set themselves up as our gods and lorded it over the primitive earth humans.
	And their descendants were those who were based under the Great Pyramid.
	You know, you can go nuts with this stuff.
	Where do we come in on this?
	And what do we do to determine the truth?
	All I care about is if people really want to find the truth, I don't mind the challenges at all.
	I don't mind the cynicism, the question.
	It's like if you're serious about the truth, then whether you're going to, I take off on people that use screen names and all that stuff.
	Okay, whoever you are, whoever you are, if you're interested in the truth, you can't offend me because you're going to go, then you're going to go with the hard questions.
	You're going to go, well, how about this?
	How can that, you know, and I'll say, here's what I know.
	Here's what we've done.
	Here's what we found.
	Here's how you can try to make a reasonable assessment.
	I'll say one other thing.
	I think the Meyer case has more evidence and is more challenged and questioned than anything in political life.
	You know more about Billy Meyer than you do about anybody who's ever become president or is president or anything else.
	We know.
	Probably more than the current president, that's for sure.
	Yeah, quite a character right there.
	You know, we're in trouble and it's good, bad, and the ugly again.
	So that's it.
	It's like, if we got, let's just say that all the people who are skeptical and they're taking their time through, for anybody that comes to their own reasoned conclusions, gee, this is authentic.
	Okay, now what does it mean to you if it's authentic?
	Now you're at the real beginning.
	So if this is true, what does it mean to you?
	Because there are reasons that we're struggling with this stuff.
	Yeah, so let me ask you.
	Does anyone mind if I say a few words?
	Go ahead.
	Hello, Michael.
	Hi.
	My name is Steve.
	I mean, I have to be very keen on people using the real names, and my name's Steve.
	Hi, Steve.
	How are you?
	I have listened at length to what you've just been saying, and I'd like to quote something to you.
	Okay.
	You're out of ammunition, and for a long time, you're just the last to know it.
	Sorry, going to take a few calls and emails.
	Weep amongst yourself, losers.
	And then we go on and on and on and on and on, and where you quite liberally cast insults to people who don't see your view of life.
	I'm just curious.
	You see, back in the 80s, I think it was 85, 86, I actually read that book about Billy Meyer.
	And it ends towards, I don't know, in the last few pages, the guy called Wendell Stevens, I think his name was, who was arrested for child molestation, I think it was.
	And was one of the guys that went over to Switzerland to see Herr Meyer and got all the information.
	And obviously, he found the model spaceships in his shed around the back as well.
	No, but go ahead.
	Yeah, he did.
	It says so in the book, in his photographs.
	One challenge at a time, because I'm glad to actually hang in with you.
	No, no, no, no, no, Michael.
	I'm talking.
	If you're going to be a salesman, be a proper salesman.
	Use your two ears and one mouth in that proportion and get yourself a glass of water.
	Listen, if you don't have enough respect, I don't need to do this.
	I'm glad to speak with anybody who disagrees.
	I make no pretense at respecting you.
	Don't run away with the idea that I respect you because I don't.
	Because you're a charlatan.
	You're just a charlatan that is out in a cult to try and convince the dispossessed, the vulnerable, the unsure, and the gullible into a cult that, frankly, isn't worth shy.
	Steve, how do you know that?
	What's your, I'll tell you why I know that.
	It's because you said something.
	I've jotted a few things down while you were talking to the other two guys.
	And you said something German versus English and about the way that English, the way that German is precise.
	Well, not exactly.
	I used to speak German when I was at school.
	And the one thing that I did learn about German is it's not really that precise at all.
	It's not precise?
	Pardon?
	High German is not precise?
	No, it's not.
	It's actually, it's actually, I mean, the word for screwdriver basically means stick that pushes screws in.
	Yeah?
	Okay.
	What's wrong with that?
	Well, okay, so let me ask you something on this.
	Let's just say I said that according to the information in the case, German was the best language for communicating specifics.
	So if that's what you think makes me a cult leader and a charlatan, I'm not quite sure, but I did want to.
	You said you had something when you started, and I'm not attacking you.
	I want to be able to answer what you said.
	And I know you went into the thing about Wendell Stevens, which happens to be a bit inaccurate.
	I knew the man for over 20 years.
	So you do know then he was actually arrested for child molestation.
	Yes, would you like to know the whole story or not?
	I'm not interested in the whole story.
	The fact that he was arrested for child molestation is enough for me.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, well, then what we're saying is you prefer to take that part of the information and build some form of a conclusion either about him and or the case, me, everybody else.
	That's okay, but at least what we're clarifying here is what your own standards are.
	You see, I'll tell you what my standards are.
	Oh, yeah, it's a good word, that.
	I like the word that you use, standards.
	My standards for any scientific discovery is, I'll tell you, this is a true story.
	I was chatting to a very good friend of mine the other day.
	Yesterday, actually, we went for a coffee at Starbucks, and he was telling me he's going to, there's something that he's actually going to make, and he's making it out of a sheet of aluminium.
	I won't tell you what he's going to make, but it's actually very, very interesting.
	And what he wants to try and do with this is disprove a scientific theory.
	But he's not unhappy if he doesn't.
	And if he doesn't, it confirms, as far as he's concerned, it will confirm the scientific theory.
	If it doesn't, and he accepts this, he needs to get it peer-reviewed.
	He needs to get a paper written on it.
	He needs to get it reproducible and have it peer-reviewed.
	What, you tell me, what, if anything, has Billy Meyer had peer-reviewed by a scientific institution?
	And when I say a scientific institution, I don't mean something that is pulled off the internet.
	I mean something like MIT.
	I mean something like Calsec.
	I mean a scientific institution that can confirm verbatim everything that Billy Meyer has said.
	Well, okay, now you just said confirm everything that Billy Meyer has said.
	So what you may or may not be finding?
	Scientifically.
	Scientific.
	I mean, for me, one of the most incredible things in my life was the birth of my son.
	Okay?
	I still think it's incredible that a human being can make a human being.
	I know it's all biology and daddy-daddy dog.
	But for me, the actual birthing of another human being by a human being is just an incredible thing.
	And it can be scientifically proved.
	This is the point I'm main.
	It can be scientifically proved.
	Now, if aliens came to this count, not to this country, but came to this planet or any country in the world, any alien from outer space, I'd say that's a fucking big deal.
	And if it's a fucking big deal, it's worth going to a scientific institute and saying, this is all the information I have.
	This is everything.
	It's all written down.
	I've got photographs.
	I've got drawings.
	I've got this, that, and the other.
	I want you to prove it so that I'm not just losing my mind.
	You can prove what I'm seeing, what I'm thinking, and who I'm communicating with.
	I mean, you say all these palladians have come to see Billy Meyer, but why aren't they not being put on television?
	I mean, apart from the lifting of a TV program that Dean Martin was on, apart from that, why don't they get presented on a TV show, you know, something like a world TV presentation?
	It can be on CNN, it can be on Fox News, BBC, it can be on RT, you know, a massive worldwide presentation.
	Can we take it one question at a time?
	Because you asked about the liberation.
	Let me go with this thing.
	First of all, peer review by definition means that Meyer has peers in terms of this experience and everything connected to it.
	He doesn't.
	But that being said, perhaps, now, you read the two volumes of the investigative report, I presume, the preliminary and the supplemental, right?
	I read the book.
	I read the book in the mid-80s.
	Okay, well, that's one of six books that came out before 1990.
	There's two books that detail the preliminary investigation and the supplemental.
	And those are rather extensive, full of nice scientific information that you would love.
	So I'll give you answers in bites to this so that you'll know some of what was done.
	Most of this is never discussed, or they tried to attack it in the UFO circles and all.
	For instance, do you know who David Froning is?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm not trying to trick you.
	If you had said yes.
	No, no, no, feel free.
	Okay.
	So what I'll do is I'm going to condense information that you can find freely.
	And this information was actually gathered by a skeptical author named Gary Kinder.
	He was tasked with investigating the Meyer case subsequent to the original investigation, which was led by Wendell Stevens.
	And he had Lee and Britt Elders who were two skeptics, but they are high-level private investigators.
	They have a company called Intercept, and their work is mainly with Fortune 500 companies, banks, government stuff.
	Lee Elders was connected to the CIA, which helped in some ways, maybe not in others.
	So here is from Gary Kinder's research, and all of this was signed off on.
	So Steve and audience, understand that if somebody puts out a book and they're going to quote scientists, you as a publisher, make sure that you have a release sheet that they have read what is attributed to them and what they're going to, you know, publish.
	And if not, then you get to correct it or say decline.
	So there's a scientist named David Froning.
	And David Froning, I met him, he came to one of my presentations in LA and was gracious enough to come up and share the stage with me.
	And he said some things that I will now go over with you.
	Now, if any of this becomes too dense for, you know, because I'm reading, you did challenge on credible science, so I want to answer you.
	So at the time that Froning was involved in being questioned and all this, he had already spent 25 years as an astronaut engineer at McDonnell Douglas in highly classified military defense.
	He became interested in 79 in Meyer's accounts of the Playiron starship travel, which mentioned tachyon propulsion.
	So Dr. Froning found Meyer's account of tachyon propulsion, which was only beginning to be discussed by a very small and select group of theoretical physicists.
	And he found that and his calculations for above light speed travel to be, in Froning's words, amazing.
	In 83, Froning was pursuing what was called his quantum interstellar ramjet idea.
	And this is published in these scientific journals and all this.
	And he plugged in his equations for the ramjet performance, assuming that a given starship density, vacuum energy conversion efficiency, and transforming positrons and electrons within the quantum vacuum into photons and vacuum energy conversion scales and distance of the order of the component wavelength.
	So, with this, he was coming up with a resulting vehicle acceleration that enabled achievement of almost light speed in about 4.3 hours and then a deceleration from light speed in about the same amount of time.
	And this, we won't go into all the details of that, but Meyer said that the elapsed time during the hyperspace jump had taken only several seconds.
	So, this, of course, fascinated Froning because he's now working with a hypothetical tachyon drive that's got 8.6 hours, but that was within 20% of the Pleiaran trip time reported by Meyer when we're not talking about simply hyperspace jumps, but the actual transit time.
	But while Froning's calculations were based on many arbitrary assumptions and in no way proved the truthfulness of Meyer's account, since Froning was, you know, in a theoretical system that he was working on with other scientists, only time will tell.
	But Froning was startled that his arbitrary flight time computations were within 20% of the flight time mentioned by Meyer.
	And so, what he said, and he said this also at my presentation at the Biltmore Hotel in LA regarding the Meyer material, he said, my colleagues and I may have made breakthroughs in our understanding of possibilities and ways for traveling faster than light from Billy Meyer's accounts of his encounters with the Pleiaran.
	If what this Meyer is saying is just a hoax, he's being cued by some very knowledgeable scientists.
	I've only discussed the Meyer case with scientists who are fairly open-minded about interstellar flight, but I'll tell you, the majority of them think it's credible and agree at least part or sometimes all of the things talked about by the Pleiaran.
	Now, that is a documented, proved, published statement from a man named David Froning, who had already at the time, he's now retired, and I think he lives in Australia.
	I was in touch with him, as I say, in LA.
	He was at the highest levels of military defense, and that was what he was willing to say publicly.
	Now, just so you know, additionally, in this book, we have scientists from the USGS, from JPL Photo Laboratory, from the Mars Orbiter Camera, those people all vouching for the credibility of Meyer's photographs.
	These are not jokers.
	You've got Wally Gentleman, who at the time was the director of special effects on the Canadian Film Board.
	He had won the award for special effects for Kubrick's 2001, and he authenticated.
	We've got Newpod Nupon.
	We've got Nippon TV that concluded there were no models, there were no breaks in film on Meyer's films.
	They were untouched.
	They were authentic.
	I've got, I personally interviewed two guys from the company's co-scientific stuff.
	I can go on from the middle.
	I don't doubt that the videos and the photographs that Billy Meyer took are authentic.
	I'm a photographer.
	Okay?
	I've actually worked as a photographer, and I have no doubt that the photographs and the videos that Meyer took are authentic.
	Good, okay.
	But they are not authentic alien spacecraft.
	Okay, so here's what we're doing.
	No, listen, listen, please.
	You've spoken.
	I'm speaking now.
	Please, let me finish what I've got to say.
	Go ahead.
	Nothing that you have said has ever been proved scientifically.
	I don't care about this David Froning as he's made a statement.
	Has he made a statement that can be verified by scientists who do this sort of thing on a daily basis?
	Okay?
	No.
	That's a simple answer.
	Because there are scientists.
	I know engineers and I know scientists and I know how they think.
	Okay?
	I know how they think.
	There are engineers by and large are a bit of a juxtaposition of themselves.
	They're an ambiguity.
	They are full of the wonder of what is achievable.
	But at the same time, they're incredibly cynical of what can't be done and what is just basically bullshit.
	You know, I know an aerospace engineer, and I'm acquainted with an aerospace engineer quite a lot, actually.
	And he's of that kind.
	I mean, he's got letters after his name in engineering that just go on and on and on.
	But fundamentally, he's a hell of a cynic.
	And nothing dismays him more than anything than people talking about aircraft and how airplanes fly in ways that it proves that they don't know what the fucking hell they're talking about.
	And you're one of these people that, I mean, there's a phrase that we use in Britain and it's probably used in America as well, that's called bullshit battles brains.
	And it's true.
	And if you can sit at a podium, stand at a podium or behind a desk and you've got 30 or 40 people who pay good money at a woo-woo conference to come and listen to you and they don't actually have a clue what it is they're going to be listening to, then it's easy to do it.
	Listen to me.
	If you had engineers and you had scientists and you have people who do know what they're talking about and have been there and have written papers and have done all the dirty work to get those papers in the first place and have them peer-reviewed.
	And sometimes they don't get them peer-reviewed.
	They write a paper and they get it knocked back because it can't be reproduced.
	So Steve, just a second.
	You asked me for scientific background.
	Yeah, but you haven't got any scientific proof.
	Steve.
	No, you haven't got it saying.
	No, you haven't.
	You've mentioned a guy called David Froning, who you say used to work at McDonnell Douglas.
	No, no, no, no.
	I didn't say that.
	He said that, and it's in a book, and you can find it.
	he said that so you don't actually so okay he said that so you don't actually know if he did Oh, come on.
	Look, I just met the other guy.
	No, Michael.
	No, Michael, please answer the question.
	He said, listen to me, please.
	He said that, but you don't know if he's telling the truth.
	I don't know if you're telling the truth.
	Well, I haven't said, well, what have I said that could be sort of like you're telling me about some aerospace engineer?
	I don't know if that's true or not.
	His name is Peter.
	I can give you his name if you want.
	His name's Peter Reardon.
	He works at BA Systems and he works at Pharm Reference and he was a development engineer for the Harrier Jump Jet.
	There's something called the JBIS.
	It's a publication for aerospace, volume number 33, and that's number seven, July 1980.
	You've got David Froning's paper on quantum interstellar Ramjet.
	And if you look him up online, you'll find he exists.
	But even more present, two days ago, I was with a friend of mine named Matthew Wiskowitz.
	He is a NASA aerospace engineer, recently retired.
	He worked on the space shuttle.
	He worked on the space station.
	He worked for Roswell.
	I've got his CV.
	We have his words quoted.
	You can look him up very easily.
	He is one of a number of people in aerospace that I happen to know personally who know and have been willing to come forward and say, yes, of course, the Meyer case is authentic.
	We know that, and here's the reasons why, blah, blah, blah.
	So instead of this becoming kind of what we call a pissing contest, he said, she said, here's the thing.
	When I present to you information here, you are free to accept it or not accept it.
	Guess that the overall audience, if anybody is listening to our discussion, if they're interested, they can do the free, free, free research.
	They can look up all the information that I'm talking about.
	Michael Malin is still a well-known scientist, Mars mission, and he basically, he looked at Meyer's photographs too and authenticated.
	These are not hoaxes.
	I can't explain that object, but these photos are not fictional.
	No, no, no.
	The photographs, I agree.
	The photographs are not hoaxes.
	The photographs are real.
	The problem is the photographs are not what they are implied to be.
	That's the difference.
	I don't know if you have presented.
	Listen, I'm open for you to present information.
	I don't mean just in a conversation because you can't prove a negative.
	That's impossible.
	You can't prove a negative.
	Neither can you prove that they are authentic photographs of space from outside.
	I hate to jump in because I think this is good conversation to push both sides in terms of what their point of views are.
	But we have about 10 minutes before we have our next segment coming up.
	So we can wrap up.
	Let me ask you this.
	Because I'm happy to converse with Steve.
	Is there anybody else that's posted anything in the way of a question or a challenge that has been pressing on their minds about the Meyer case?
	Well, one question that did come up is what happens when Billy Meyer passes away?
	I mean, what's the next step for everything related to this case and his evidence that he presents?
	Well, sure.
	Let's come to the place of saying what's important in terms of this case is essentially what they call the spiritual teaching, the information of the case that has nothing to do with UFOs and space travel, really, because we, as a society on this planet at this time, we're not going anywhere.
	We're hurtling tin cans at the moon and maybe at Mars.
	And it's not space travel.
	And we may or may not ever get to it.
	So the mission, put that in quotes for people that don't like the word, has been accomplished.
	That is, all of the information that the Playiron wanted to convey to and through Meyer and all the information that Meyer himself was tasked with bringing forward has been done.
	It's preserved now around the world, electronically, in books, etc.
	When Meyer passes on from this world, there will be no other contacts between anybody here and the Playiron, and more than likely, between anybody here and anybody that may exist outside of our world.
	The task from this point on will be for us to become reasonable, harmonious with each other, peace-loving people who don't just scream at each other or worse, attack each other, drop bombs because they feel like it, or blow up buildings or stab people and all the rest.
	And that's, you know, it's something we've been engaged in for thousands of years, and it doesn't look like it wants to pass away quickly.
	The manual for that, the teaching for that, the textbook for that, and how to accomplish that already now exists in all of this material.
	It is something that will not allow anybody to attach belief to it because it is a process of learning and testing out that which is taught.
	Just like if you're going to do auto mechanics or electronics or anything else, this wire, if you plug this to that, this is what's supposed to happen.
	Well, you know, if you didn't blow yourself up with the electricity, I guess the teaching was good.
	So this is really a teaching.
	It's a very down-to-earth, logical bit of, you know, information, kind of vast, but that's the purpose of the whole thing.
	It was to create a controversy initially that his photos and his films were made possible and other evidence that has been made available and tested.
	But then we went on to the prophetic information, prophetically accurate scientific information.
	And as I say, we have volumes of that.
	There was another one the other day.
	Here's the thing.
	This one man, literally, with one hand, has produced all this, presented all this himself.
	The models that were made, there were two models made by school children.
	The other models were made at the MGM studios.
	Wally Gentleman's team did them at the request of Wendell Stevens, who was a man who was set up by the CIA because he was told to get the hell away from the minor case or he would suffer some bad consequences.
	We know that from the inside out, including from the elders who was a CIO.
	We've got a caller on the line here.
	Let's let them this will be our last question that we take.
	Collar, you're on the air.
	Hi, this is Tiger Lily.
	Hi, Tiger Lily.
	You've got Michael Horn.
	Hi.
	I was wanting to talk to Yorky if I could talk to him.
	Okay, give us just a moment.
	We'll jump back to that then, unless it's related to Michael.
	Any questions?
	Well, in a way, but no, I'll wait.
	Oh, no, go ahead.
	Go ahead then.
	If it's if it's connected to our conversation, feel free to speak.
	Well, no, I was just going to applaud Yorky for trying to keep Michael in line.
	That was it.
	But I'll hold if I can talk for a couple of minutes.
	Yeah, stay on the line.
	We'll come right back to you then.
	Okay, thank you.
	You know, I'll just say this, because you know, I participate on your forum there at 93 pages worth and all.
	I already, at this stage of my life, am far older than all you guys, I'm sure, and I've accomplished tremendous things in many fields.
	I do this voluntarily, as in for free.
	It's great if somebody will pay me to come and do it, but I do it for free.
	I produce all my films for food.
	I put up my own money to do all this.
	And people that get all agitated and angry and start calling you names, you already know that their ammunition is kind of, it's either wet or non-existent.
	And as for statements like that that I have made on the forum, on your pages, if you will go back even to your first page on that Billy Meyer thing, you'll find that regularly throughout, I and Meyer have been called all sorts of names.
	Look, it doesn't much matter.
	If you don't know, you attack.
	And when you know, then you don't attack so much as you ask questions.
	And that's the difference.
	And it's fine.
	We know that it takes all sorts of things.
	So if someone feels better by trying to attack or belittle me, it's not something that's quite possible.
	I've already accomplished far more than they will in their lives.
	The problem you've got, Michael, the problem you've got is that the questions that are asked of you, you can't give a valid answer.
	Do you have one?
	Well, oh, no, have you got one?
	But Steve, you've got to give credit that he comes on here and talks to us.
	I mean, how many people would have a statement that I think one of the comments from one of our many people in the chat room was extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
	And a lot of the people who would have what would seem to be an extraordinary claim don't show up and take calls live and have the conversation that you guys had, even if very clearly you disagree.
	So, I mean, that's a point I give him.
	And I'll tell you something about extraordinary claims because I remember being into that, and then I thought about it.
	They don't actually require extraordinary evidence.
	What they require is evidence that can be tested using the scientific method.
	Yes.
	And so if you apply science to any claim, there's no need for people saying we've got to set up a special paranormal.
	No, any claim that's made, force it through the process.
	If it doesn't hold up to the scientific method, then whether it seems like it should have been real or it's extraordinary, it was extraordinary when Galileo was trying to point out what was really going on with the sun being the center out there.
	What's extraordinary any longer?
	So if we hang in with science, and that's why I, listen, I've got a friend who's a skeptic, a scientist, but he brought me into a university twice to present in the Meyer case.
	And he said, hey, I got to admit, you gave me the warning on the Paris attacks from Meyer's material from 1981 before the attacks occurred.
	I can't explain it.
	So this is a provocation.
	This whole thing is a provocation.
	And I don't, I don't actually, I don't hold this against anybody even being angry about it because it pushes lots of buttons.
	So if you're interested in truth and you fight for truth, then that's the important thing.
	That's all I care about.
	Frankly, that's it.
	Yeah.
	I think on that note, I thank you for calling in and being a part of our show tonight.
	It's great to have that conversation that happens on the Bell Gab forum move over into the audio forum to where we can actually hear you state your position and then also defend and respond to it.
	So thank you very much, Michael, for being a part of it.
	Sure, will this be archived or not?
	Because I would share it with people.
	Yes, it will be.
	Yeah, I will make sure to send you a link to it.
	Yeah, I'll send you a link to it once it goes live.
	Wonderful.
	Thank you, Steve, and thank all of you guys for the patience of the participation.
	Yes, thank you.
	I'll tell you, you got lots of people talking about it now in our chat room.
	I wouldn't be surprised if on Twitter you get plenty of mentions there as well.
	So thank you.
	Okay, I answer all emails.
	Thanks.
	Awesome.
	Thank you.
	Bye.
	Okay, so there was our main segment guest there.
	I think it ended up having a lot of conversation.
	Thank you, York, or should I say Steve?
	Thank you for getting involved in that call and giving your opinion.
	That was classic.
	Yes, since he got involved.
	He's mixing it up.
	Yes.
	We still have Tiger Lily on this.
	It's a load of fucking shit.
	You can hear...
	It's always good to see you.
	Hold on for a second.
	Is Tiger Lily...
	Is Tiger Lily going to call back?
	Because she sort of went, didn't she?
	Yeah, hold on just a second.
	I got a couple calls here.
	Let me see if I can.
	Of course, at the end is when the calls start to come through, right?
	Okay, caller, you're on the air.
	Hey, how's it going?
	Pretty good.
	Who do we have with us?
	This is C. Ardello.
	C. Ardello.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, it's kind of a mag.
	You're drifting away there.
	We can't hear you.
	Good.
	I can hear him every once in a while.
	Okay.
	Well, looks like maybe you're having difficulties there.
	Let's go back, we've got, hold on.
	Did he try calling back?
	Let's see.
	Come on.
	Okay, I don't know.
	I don't know what's happened there with.
	Let's get Tiger Lily back on.
	You there, Tiger Lily?
	Can you hear me?
	I can hear somebody.
	I know where I am.
	Okay, yeah.
	We've got you.
	Okay, so I wasn't trying to cut you off there from saying anything.
	Oh, no.
	And you've got my, you got what I was trying to do.
	Okay, cool.
	Cut off Michael.
	Yeah, I just took what you were saying as you wanted to talk to him and move the conversation in a different direction.
	So I wanted to make sure we wrapped up our call.
	And just as a programming note for everybody, really quick, we will be going to Daniel and his team in just a few minutes.
	I've spoken to him.
	He's going to give us just a little bit to wrap up after that call.
	I felt it was important to keep it on longer.
	So we are not done by any means with the Belgabathon.
	So with that said, Tiger Willie, talk to us.
	Okay, well, that was all I was trying to do was just move it along.
	So I don't want to be the person who slows down the wheels of progress now.
	No, you will not.
	Oh, absolutely not.
	There's no question of that.
	Hi, how are you?
	Oh, I'm fine.
	I've got that off my chest.
	No, you were great.
	You were awesome.
	That was very epic.
	That was good.
	I know that you don't have much time because I thought, well, if nothing else, I could steer.
	You guys had questions about the hoodie and different things, but I was really just calling to break up the conversation.
	So since that's done, I don't want to stop Daniel from taking his time.
	So I'm happy to move on.
	Okay, well, thank you.
	And we'll be after his segment, we'll probably be back to do a little bit more too.
	So if you do want to call back again, feel free to.
	And hopefully for Ciardello, if I said his name right, his phone will stop trying to kill him and he can call us and give his opinions too.
	But thank you, Tiger Lily, for calling.
	I appreciate it.
	Okay, thanks.
	And can't wait for football season again.
	I either.
	Thank you.
	Bye.
	Yeah, it sounds like Ciardello is in Mel's hole.
	Yeah, maybe it's Mel's hole.
	Maybe it's someone else's hole.
	Who knows?
	So I think that worked out to be just as epically fun as I thought it would be.
	Well, I had more than a couple of glasses of wine, so I was in the mood.
	Well, good.
	Yeah, you sounded a bit punchy.
	I think John, you weren't.
	I could imagine you putting your finger into Michael Horne's chest.
	Listen to me, young man.
	Young man.
	Young man.
	That was Brian Clough, wasn't it?
	Young man.
	Listen to your talk about spaceships.
	Space ships.
	Happens is spaceships.
	Okay, let's really quick.
	Have you seen my sister?
	Let's really quick finish up our polling because we had three more to talk about.
	Male poster of the year, the female poster and the bell gabber of the year.
	And then we're going to jump over to sorry, I just saw a comment about being the Leo Laporta Bell Gab.
	Well, F you too.
	So the male poster of the year will start with Aldous Burbank, Jackstar, Corey Feldman, Pate, Art Bell, Norrie, and Gogolo, who Miku thing I thought was awesome.
	That I guess he found Gogola or Golgo, however you say that, as someone who had been a member for many years but never posted anything.
	And I thought that was awesome.
	There are a few people that there's one that I noticed.
	I don't know if they post for him called Threaten the Hoover, you know, that Ian Pannett comment.
	And I never see any, you know, I can't remember any posts that they've made, but I see them on the, you know, on the little sort of login thing at the bottom there.
	So, you do see these people occasionally.
	Yeah.
	But they never post.
	That one was interesting because I was hoping we'd get someone like that.
	So it worked out well.
	We got at least one of them in there.
	And they actually got some decent votes too.
	So who do you think from that list is the Bell Gab male poster of the year?
	Well, I know because I looked it up.
	You did.
	Well, go ahead and tell everybody who is.
	I saw it, but I can't remember.
	All of us.
	All this Burbank.
	Yes.
	I think it's a good one.
	I like that one as the winner for it.
	Let's jump over to female poster.
	And I was excited for this one because, SV, you were in the running for this and you actually got some votes.
	Did I?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	I think that's awesome.
	I believe you did.
	Maybe I. Let's see.
	Am I wrong?
	Oh, no, I'm wrong.
	Sorry.
	No, I didn't.
	I didn't even get a single vote.
	No, I'm sorry.
	It was Lone Voice.
	As soon as I nominated an insulting cash crew, I didn't even get any votes, which made it even more.
	I wish I had voted for you now.
	Yeah.
	I mixed up your line with Lone Voice.
	I don't think I was actually nominated for anything, which is probably a good thing.
	Oh, you didn't?
	I thought you were in something.
	Okay.
	Next year.
	Oh, I don't think I was.
	I think it's probably a good thing, though.
	You're probably getting knickers thrown at you on the thread for your assaulted mindset.
	I very much doubt it.
	Yeah, you probably are like the Bell Gabber of the Year next year.
	Absolutely.
	At least the Bell Gabbathon Bell Gabber of the Year.
	I wasn't going to say this until the end of the show, but we've been doing a live poll too of the best host of the show.
	And my condolences to you two because I'm just running away with it.
	Have you rigged the poll yourself?
	So that's the thing.
	I'm always suspicious of.
	Well, what do you think I was doing while Michael Horn was talking?
	So, Bell Gab female poster of the year.
	This is a long list.
	I'm going to hurry and get inboxing poster of the year.
	Oh, did I not get that one?
	Oh, wait, say that again.
	Let's move on.
	Female posts.
	I missed.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	I missed what you said.
	I thought you said inboxer of the year.
	I got falky on the brain.
	We'll just go straight to the winner of this one since we're running out of time.
	And that would be Inglorious Bitch.
	Didn't and deservedly so.
	Yeah, ran away with it.
	Good job.
	Deservedly so.
	That was an impressive win there.
	And jumping now to the big award of the night, which is the Bell Gabber of the Year.
	Who do you guys think?
	Who do you think won this?
	There was a big list, including 30 regular truckers at a truck stop, MV's Family, Sewer Gab, Jasmunda, Shay P, MV.
	Did I say Jazz?
	White Crow, Art Bell, Bobo17, who I thought was going to be the front runner, Redacted, Lily, George Cinda, Lil Chris, Star Mountain, Bacon, and Rick's Jens.
	Six Weeks Tenure was also in there.
	Who do you think won?
	Probably the creek, Tenya.
	Yeah, I suppose he did.
	He did lots of yeoman work with trolling.
	I think he did more creative trolling than I've seen anyone else do in my life.
	Well, I give him my vote.
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah, he's produced more seasons than anyone else, hasn't he?
	Absolutely.
	God, yeah.
	So Miku Thing, 0-1, and then a bunch of emoji things won.
	He won.
	Yeah, that was our winner with 13 votes.
	Really?
	Yep.
	Bloody, huh?
	Did he get a bunch of these little outright trolls all voting for him or something?
	Or did he just vote for himself under a variety of aliases?
	Oh, well, congratulations.
	Yeah, I know.
	If I hold on, I do have some audio for you.
	Let's see if I can unmute the There you go.
	Our Bell Gabber of the Year.
	Wear this honor proudly.
	It probably means something.
	The voting.
	Well, it's not very complimentary that Kiodalo says in the room about how he won it.
	Well, how else would you win it?
	I can't think of another way that you would win this.
	There was another thread for Meltdown of the Year, but I forgot to ask him V to give me rights to add a poll to that one because I thought that was a good one.
	So it didn't get.
	I think every Meltdown was the Meltdown of the Year and MV says it was good head.
	So I guess it all worked out.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Does he get fun now?
	He's won.
	Yeah.
	So, okay, let's jump on over and add Daniel and End of Day's Radio and his crew over to our call.
	We have a crew as well to see.
	We'll see.
	I think part of the crew might be MIA, but we'll find out.
	Even if it's just Tim, we'll still roll with it.
	Kim V to give me rights to add a poll.
	Oh, hey, I guess I should have told him I was calling before.
	I think I'm hearing the stream.
	Meltdown of the year.
	Now I'm not.
	Sorry about that.
	That's okay.
	No problem.
	I should have wrote you and said, hey, I'm bringing you on, but I just saw the clock that we were right up on the 10-minute timeframe.
	So everybody, here's Daniel, host of In Today's Radio, taking over.
	This is your segment to do with as you please.
	Hello, everybody.
	Hello, all of you wonderful Bell Gabbers out there.
	I'm starting out with a little bit of bad news.
	Unfortunately, Wolfman is completely MIA.
	I think he decided to kind of screw me over because earlier I had texted him and I let him know that I had to work late today and also start early tomorrow.
	And I would not be able to do the bell gabathon and then go on his show.
	So I think he might have got offended by that, even though I told him I'd do it at a different time.
	And now he's not even here at all.
	So we're going to have to go ahead and do it without Wolfman.
	So I'm very sorry, everybody.
	You won't be hearing the famous flat earth song tonight.
	There's so many people excited for that.
	Yeah, very sad, very sad.
	I'm sure everybody's just totally heartbroken.
	They can't hear that super annoying song.
	Well, can they find it on YouTube?
	Probably, but I recommend you don't even look it up because I've got heat with Wolfman now.
	He stood me up.
	Now I have somebody new to go to war with.
	So we'll see what that turns into.
	Well, I think that you've got Belgab on your side, so you'll win this battle.
	We've got some calls coming in.
	Do you want to take them?
	Sure.
	Let's hear it.
	Okay.
	Do you mind if Yorkshire and gosh, Redney, SV if we join you then during it, during your segment?
	We'll let you.
	The more the merrier.
	All right, cool.
	Caller, you're on the air.
	Hey, how's it going, Daniel, with spelled with a Y, I think?
	Is that right?
	No, no, no, no.
	That Y does not belong there.
	I do not want to see that typed anywhere.
	As soon as I see that I in my name, I start banging my head against the desk and just freaking out.
	Please don't do that.
	Oh, man.
	I'm sorry for that because you're so closely associated with another guy who uses a Y in his name.
	I thought that maybe you'd like to ride his coattails.
	Trying to trigger me, aren't you?
	I know what you're doing.
	There needs to be a trigger running for this call.
	No, no, no, Daniel with a Y. Will ever, ever, ever want to trigger you?
	Oh, after that happened, I'm not the type.
	I'm not the like pretentious type who changes his name or spells my name with a Y instead of an I.
	It's just Daniel with a normal IE.
	So, no, no, I'm not a 15-year-old girl, so I would not spell my name that way.
	Well, yeah, it's pretty obvious you're not a 15-year-old girl because, you know, most of the time when you post, you're more like a 13-year-old girl, but you know, thanks, thanks.
	Just saying, I'm not trying to bang on you or anything.
	I'm just here to support you, you know, and the Belgab community is 100% behind you.
	Well, I hope that we're bringing in a lot of money tonight.
	I hope the donations are doing well.
	That's sort of what this is all about.
	Did you donate?
	Did you donate?
	How much money did you donate?
	I'm donating my time.
	Time.
	Yeah.
	Time.
	How much did you?
	Did you donate?
	Yes, I did.
	Yes, I did.
	How much?
	I donated dollars.
	More than one.
	No, more than one.
	More than one dollar.
	A whole dollar.
	Like I said.
	No, no, no, no.
	It was more than a whole dollar.
	It was twice that.
	At least.
	Two whole dollars.
	Well, two whole dollars.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Something real money.
	I don't know what the.
	What am I hearing?
	Am I hearing a Yorkshire?
	There it is.
	Okay, I got Yorkshire putt.
	And who else am I talking to?
	Who the hell?
	Who the hell is this?
	I was a date the other night.
	Yeah, who is the who's our caller?
	Go ahead and state who you are.
	My name, my name is C-R-E-L-U-G-H.
	Okay, I did not understand that at all.
	I have no idea.
	Was that even English you just said?
	Those letters just didn't seem.
	It was like a bunch of consonants put together.
	I know there's one post that spells my name.
	I'm over here in the States trying to communicate with brothers across the pond.
	Wait, hold on.
	Are you by a common language?
	Are you a contactee?
	I know.
	Have you ever been abducted or met aliens?
	I have met aliens because I live in Oklahoma, United States of America, and we do have quite a bit of aliens.
	So have you guys looked into this whole flat earth thing or what?
	From what point of view?
	I cannot imagine who really are serious about believing this.
	Have you actually looked into it?
	Have you looked at both sides before coming to a conclusion?
	My problem with the father is.
	I did not look at your side because your side is that.
	So, no, I did not look at your side.
	Are you from the south?
	You sound like a southern boy.
	In Detroit, Michigan.
	Detroit?
	You have an accent like that from Detroit?
	I grew up here since I was a child.
	oh what's going on there What the hell is who?
	Who was that?
	I have no idea.
	Okay, so we've got another caller here.
	We're gonna move on.
	Although that was a riveting call from Oklahoma to is SV still with us, I think he I think we lost him.
	I think he had a connection problem or something.
	So, okay, here's another caller.
	You're on the air on the bell gabathon with Daniel.
	Hello.
	Hello, Daniel.
	How's it going?
	It's doing great.
	What's on your mind tonight, sir?
	The octagon.
	I'd like to know if you're going to interview George Sensei again on your show.
	Yeah, I would love to interview him, but I have not been in contact with him at all.
	I haven't heard from him since back in the day when we had him on.
	Is he even still on Bell Gab?
	It seems like he's kind of gone missing.
	I always look at the optic.
	He hasn't officially posted on Bellgab, but I'm in regular communication with him under an alias name.
	So when I shoot him an email, I'll ask if he can be interviewed by you.
	I did actually check out some of his videos the other day, though, and I finally saw Kathy for the first time.
	And the first time I ever see her, she's got a black eye and she's missing all these teeth.
	I am horrified.
	What is George doing to this woman?
	God only knows what's going on.
	And they both looked really sick.
	Like they both looked like their health is deteriorating.
	Senda looked like he's about to die.
	Like he looks like he's got sores all over his face and he's talking slower than ever.
	Well, that's what happens when he eats sausages from Safeway or where he gets the sausages from.
	So he doesn't eat healthy.
	So I used to be against the whole idea of giving George Senda money because everybody tells me he's a leech, he's a user, he's a this, he's a that.
	So I've always met on Monday.
	I didn't say that.
	After seeing that kind of changed my tune, I think that he does need some money.
	I mean, the guy's dying.
	That is true.
	Yeah, probably the best thing to do if you are going to donate money, donate to somebody that actually take care of himself, manages Falki's money because apparently Falki doesn't know how to manage money because he goes payday loans and pays buttloads of interest on a GoPro, which is probably longer, it'd be cheaper just to get a brand new one basically.
	But he doesn't know how to use his money wisely.
	He's been kind of in depth to California DMV to for the longest time.
	I thought the whole thing was completely fake.
	I thought it was like pro wrestling, K-Fabe stuff.
	I thought he was just doing it to get attention.
	And then he sends me this message over Skype that is just so weird and confusing.
	I suddenly came to the conclusion this is him.
	This is the real guy.
	He's not putting on an act.
	He's not putting on a show.
	This is him.
	He's 24/7.
	Senda.
	Right.
	So probably the best thing for him is actually going to like a group home so actually people can take care of him and monitor him.
	So make sure he doesn't.
	Falkey is his own worst enemy, in my opinion.
	So isn't he coast to coast like once a week now or something like that?
	I always hear him popping on the line.
	I haven't listened to Coast Coast in a while and stuff.
	If somebody from Bellgap can put a couple clips out of the most recent clips from Down Coast, that'd be a big help.
	But honestly, I don't listen to Coast because George Nori sucks, basically.
	I got nothing against him, but he just sucks.
	I agree 100%.
	Nori is god-awful.
	He is sleeping pills.
	I do not know what he's doing on the radio.
	Would rather George Sandon be there than George Norrie.
	Well, I would for the Mutt King be on the Coast of Coast because he can he could do a lot better job.
	Uh, that only would be if Jazz and I could do it together, but yeah, actually, yeah, Jazz needs to do it because you and Jazz do have a unique chemistry.
	You guys are two peas in a pod.
	Thank you for that.
	You kind of have a good radio voice.
	I don't know about that, but I have a let's have fun and uh get on the radio.
	Curtis, I did do a video of your uh live stream.
	Uh, do you see that video I did?
	Uh, I think so, yeah, because I think I uh did a thumbs up on it.
	Yeah, yeah, that's good because uh, the only thing you need to do better on your live stream is actually have jazz because you two have a good chemistry together.
	Yeah, no, you're totally right.
	I don't disagree at all on that.
	Uh, Yorkshire, are you there still?
	Are you on the call, or did you hang up?
	I think maybe we've got a little shout-out that I can play for you guys.
	You ready?
	Yep, let's do it.
	All right, this is courtesy of the higher side chats with Greg Carlwood.
	just wanted to say hello to all of you guys out there what's happening people This is Greg Carlwood, your humble host of the Higher Side Chats podcast, blowing minds in troubled times, taking swings at the Puppet Master Strings, and throwing out the shout-out of all shout-outs to Bell Gab.
	Cheers.
	Have you had about the film since the moon?
	Nice.
	Yeah, I thought I'd play that for you guys so you know all of us cool podcasters.
	We hang out together and stuff.
	Yeah, that's cool.
	So, who's your favorite paranormal podcaster right now, Daniel?
	Uh, I gotta go with Greg.
	I mean, I listened to his show pretty much exclusively for years now.
	I'll occasionally try other stuff, but I like the higher side chats, and I like my show, and I like classic Art Bell, and that's about it.
	Let's go.
	How about the best not current podcast, The Bell Files, ever listened to it?
	I have listened to it once.
	It's okay to say we suck.
	I won't get upset about it.
	No, after listening to you here, I think I might start listening to you because you got a great voice.
	Well, thank you.
	You're making me blush, and that's not very good to do when we're on the air.
	So that means a lot coming from me because I really hate most other shows.
	No, I appreciate it.
	I've called into your show before back in the day of the old original End of Days radio.
	I don't know if you remember that.
	Yeah, I was asleep most of the time.
	Well, okay.
	I won't ask you to explain more about that, but if you want to explain more about it, feel free.
	No, no, no, I won't go there.
	But what I did want to talk about is all the people on Bellgab that bitch about people leaving or like getting fed up with people trolling and stuff like that.
	I just wanted to say that that is so stupid to complain about people leaving or to leave Bellgab because of trolling.
	If you are being trolled, you need to just ignore the trolls and be an adult.
	I'm sorry.
	Well said.
	I feel like that deserves this.
	Oh, wait.
	It deserves me not having stuff you go.
	As somebody who has run a forum for over 10 years that had people on it way worse than the people at Bellgab, Bellgab is actually a really nice forum, and I cannot believe how much support that I've gotten from the people there.
	Nice.
	Do you want to plug your forum?
	I mean, I know it's on Bellgab, but you've talked about it there, haven't you?
	But go ahead and explain it here, too.
	Well, no, This is a mixed martial arts form.
	It's totally unrelated.
	But if anybody wants to listen to me, of course, they can go to endofdaysradio.com at any time.
	Mixed martial arts.
	So like MMA?
	Yeah, that sort of stuff.
	I usually don't talk about it because a lot of people that are into paranormal, they're not really into that sort of thing.
	But yeah, I'm into it.
	I'm into MMA and pro wrestling and stuff like that.
	Well, what do you think about the Mayweather fight with McGregor?
	Who's going to win that?
	And that's boxing.
	If it happens, that would be awesome.
	But it's really ridiculous because McGregor has no chance against Mayweather in a boxing match.
	He might as well not even not even bother.
	That's just ridiculous.
	MMA fighter can never beat a boxer at boxing and vice versa.
	A boxer can't beat an MMA fighter.
	They should stick to their sports.
	But hey, whatever draws people in, whatever gets butts in the seats, I'm all for it.
	So best of luck to both of those guys.
	Nice.
	So as far as like paranormal topics, what are your favorites?
	Oh, everything.
	Like right now, I'm really big on this flat earth thing.
	I highly recommend everybody to just check it out.
	Go on YouTube and look up flat earth.
	Look up the best flat earth proofs of 2017, 2016.
	Look up videos like that.
	I cannot believe what has been happening to me.
	I've been having an existential meltdown because I realized that all of those videos of space that we think are real, they're all 100% fake.
	It's a bunch of CGI models and stuff like that.
	And I know this sounds crazy.
	I know I sound totally insane, but it's true.
	And I just wanted to take this opportunity to let people know that there is no evidence that the earth is round.
	And all of those pictures from space are completely fake.
	You've been being tricked your whole lives.
	That's interesting.
	I don't know enough to say one way or the other, but really quick, let me say, if you are, if you believe that flat earth is real, right now go to bellgab.com, click on the donate button on the left hand of the menu and donate $22.
	If you believe it's not real, donate $222.
	And that way we can have a vote to see who is the right one in that.
	It's not scientific at all, but still.
	So 22 if you believe, 222 if you don't believe.
	Put your money where your mouth is.
	So when was the moment where you decided, okay, this something that schools, government, media has been pushing forever that the earth is a globe.
	When is it when you decided that you're going to go against all of that programming and say, this is what I believe, regardless of what anyone else is trying to tell me?
	Hey, that's a good question.
	You're turning into a good host.
	I don't know about that, but.
	No, that's awesome.
	You just totally like took control there and pushed things in an awesome direction.
	I like it.
	Well, answer the question then, sir.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, well, so I was doing a show and I had this guy on named Seven Bomar.
	This guy is a spiritual teacher.
	I'm sure a lot of you have heard of him.
	If you haven't, you can go back and listen to my show with him or look him up on YouTube.
	But he came on and he told me that the earth was flat.
	And my initial reaction was, what are you talking about?
	You are an idiot.
	And I didn't say that, but I was kind of thinking that a little bit, even though he's a super smart guy.
	But he kind of got to me because he told me, look, Daniel, what I'm telling you is what the ancients say.
	This is in all the ancient books and the ancient texts.
	This is what they say.
	That's the only reason I'm telling you.
	So he got me started and I wanted to just look into it, mostly so I could prove to myself once and for all that the earth is round.
	So I could laugh at how stupid it is and laugh at myself for even being bugged by an idea like that.
	So I go on and I'm watching these videos and more and more I'm not, it's not happening.
	I'm not becoming convinced that the earth is round.
	If anything, it's just making that belief less and less strong.
	And then I started looking at the NASA videos.
	I'm sure all of you guys have seen the moon landing stuff.
	It might be interesting to you to know that most of those moon landing pictures that are out there, they're actually from the 90s.
	Those were pictures.
	Yeah.
	Isn't that crazy?
	Yeah, where did you learn that?
	Because that's news to me.
	There's actually a guy on YouTube.
	He has a channel.
	His name's Eric Dubay.
	And I'd love to get him on my show or love to listen to any shows that have him on there.
	But I highly recommend going to his channel and checking out some of his videos because he really goes into the whole flat earth thing and he goes, he breaks down the moon landing in a really good way.
	He really shows how much stupid crap is in those pictures, like seeing the studio lights and the visors and the moon is super small.
	The moon should be big.
	If you're standing on the moon, you should be able to look out at the horizon.
	It should look miles and miles away.
	It shouldn't look like it's five feet away.
	You shouldn't constantly be on the edge of the moon.
	Does that make sense?
	I think so.
	So kind of state that again, just so I can think it through.
	Okay.
	Sorry, I drank a lot of caffeine.
	I worked all day and I drank coffee.
	That's okay.
	As you're saying, I was kind of listening, but not visualizing, if that makes sense.
	So if you look at the pictures of the astronauts on the moon, look at the way that the horizon is placed.
	Basically, it looks like the astronauts are standing next to the edge of the moon, which shouldn't be possible because the moon's a quarter of the size of the Earth.
	It's much bigger than Washington or Texas or any state.
	So you should not be able to see.
	It should look flat, is what you're saying.
	Pretty much.
	It should look flat when you're on the moon.
	Not that I'm saying the moon is flat, but it should look flat.
	You should be able to see for miles and miles.
	Why don't they have one picture where you can see an expanse?
	Where are the hills?
	Where are the valleys?
	Why does it look like you can only see two or three short hills and you can't see anything behind it?
	Now, Daniel, I knew you were a flat mooner.
	No.
	Okay, so that's interesting to think through because if you stand, like you said, we'll use Texas as an example, just as far as square footage of the state.
	You can stand in any city or any desert area, open space, and it looks flat to you.
	So you take a picture and you don't see a drop-off to space would be the example on Earth if the Earth were round and small as the moon, right?
	Yes, exactly.
	You shouldn't see a drop-off like that.
	It makes no sense.
	It's the ultimate proof.
	That's wild.
	So, Damon, did you hear all that?
	You're still on the line there, I think.
	Yeah, I'm still on the line.
	I heard all that.
	What do you think?
	My only question is: I have to disagree with Daniel.
	The Earth and the moon is round.
	Damon, have you ever seen space?
	Have you ever been in space?
	Yes.
	I've not been in space, but I have not been in space, but I am a pilot and I do see the go high enough.
	I do see the curvature of the Earth.
	So I know the Earth is round, but if you have an opportunity to go into space and see that the Earth is actually round, would you change your mind and say, yeah, the Earth is round, not flat, blah, blah, blah.
	Oh, okay.
	A couple of things.
	Damon, if you're a pilot, something is wrong here because they've sent balloons up into the atmosphere up to like 120,000 miles up into the atmosphere.
	And they've looked at it, and the Earth looks completely flat.
	The U2 spy plane only goes up to about 72,000 miles in the air.
	So it's literally like, or feet, I'm sorry.
	It's literally impossible for you to have seen the Earth's curvature from an airplane.
	No, actually, the U2 Can't see the curvature of the planet because I have talked to the YouTube pilots and they have seen the curvature of the planet.
	Hey, you might be right.
	I mean, I'm a guy looking at YouTube videos.
	You're a guy that's actually gone into a plane and gone up there, so I'm not going to argue.
	Yeah, because KT says, I work at NASA at Lockheed, Plato 2 doing DEFO, helping me make sure I upgrade the E2s.
	I ready to go PDY, which is separate duty, up to BLAF Space where the E2s are based out at.
	And I do interview the pilots there.
	So the pilots do see the curvature of the planet.
	Do you live up here in Washington?
	No, I'm here at Caltrans.
	I live.
	I work at Planet 42, which is Palmdale, California.
	I ready to go up to BLA Force Base, which is approximately an hour north of Sacramento.
	And so that's where there's a whole U2 fleet is at base side with the 9th Eye Reconnaissance Wing.
	And there's small detachments like in Polson, Korea and stuff.
	But I talked to the pilots and they see the actual curvature of the planet.
	And the guy actually got photos looking out from the pilot's point of view.
	You can literally see the curvature of the planet.
	Oh, okay.
	I haven't seen anything like that because one of the problems is people will use a fisheye lens when they go up there.
	So it's really hard to tell.
	But if you're saying that you actually know pilots that have seen it, I'm not going to argue with you because I haven't been up there.
	I've never flown a plane.
	But one thing I do want to bring up is that all you have to do if you want to prove this to yourself is go on YouTube and look at videos of the International Space Station.
	The videos are so bad.
	I mean, you have women up there that are putting tons and tons of hairspray in their hair so that it looks like there's no gravity.
	They're actually poofing their hair up on purpose and it looks completely ridiculous.
	I highly encourage everybody to check those out because that's one of the things that proved it to me was the fact that these women were trying to fake anti-gravity by putting tons of hairspray in their hair and it's completely obvious that that's what they're doing.
	Is that why astronauts get up two hours early every day?
	Hey, it might be.
	It might be.
	And there's also a lot of pictures of people working out.
	I'm sorry, videos of people working outside on the International Space Station and you see little bubbles coming from their helmet like they filmed it underwater.
	Well, I know they train underwater.
	So you think maybe there's more than just training happening underwater?
	Yeah, and also the International Space Station has a live feed and they took video at nighttime one time and it looked like complete CGI.
	It did not even look real at all.
	The sun looked like a lens flare.
	It looked horrible.
	That's just more proof.
	Go on YouTube, go look at the ISS footage from nighttime and you'll see how fake it all looks.
	Yeah, we got a comment in the chat room from radioactivity saying when a ship asking you when it when a ship leaves port, why is the top of the mast the last thing you see?
	That's actually an optical illusion because if you keep ascending in height, you'll be able to see the boat again or if you use a more powerful telescope.
	That's interesting.
	So do you think that most of the filming that's done is with a fish-eyed lens?
	Yes, it absolutely is because you can tell because if the camera flips over, the perspective will change and suddenly the Earth will look like a U instead of being a curve.
	See, that's just mind-blowing to think of.
	It is mind-blowing.
	Like I said, my reality has been completely shattered.
	But keep in mind that Richard C. Hoagland has been telling us for years and years that all of NASA is made up of Freemasons and they're putting all this symbiology and everything.
	Richard C. Hoagland is just trying to distract everybody from the real truth.
	He's a disinfo agent and he's trying to keep us from realizing that no one's actually even been up there.
	So are you, oh gosh, I got to think of his name now.
	Are you on board with what's the guy who thinks that Hoagland is out to get him?
	Mad Martian?
	Mad Martian.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	I don't know why I couldn't think of his name all of a sudden.
	Oh, no.
	Mad Martian hates my guts because he hates me too.
	Good.
	That means you're not putting up with his bullshit.
	He would come on our show all the time and he'd shout us down and shout over us.
	And occasionally I would just say, hey, Gary, you know, shut up.
	You're just talking over us.
	And he got really butthurt from that and he hates me.
	Yeah.
	I'm the guy that he called.
	I'm sure I'm not the only guy, but he called a penis on your show.
	I took that as a compliment, but I'm like, who told you that I'm a penis?
	I try to keep that kind of stuff private.
	Yeah, you know, I don't even mess with that guy because he's like legit insane.
	And I expect him to kill Hoagland one of these days and rape him and eat him.
	Yeah, man.
	So Daniel, Daniel, I got one question for you.
	Sure.
	I know you're on the West Coast in Washington near Seattle.
	And I know it's nighttime right now.
	But like, for example, in Moscow, Russia, it's 7.07 in the morning.
	The sun is up.
	How do you explain the different times when you go?
	Whether it'll be nighttime here on the west coast of the United States, and it's going to be literally 12, literally 180 degrees offside of the planet.
	It's daylight.
	Okay, that's a great question.
	And the reason for that is, do you know those yin-yang symbols?
	You know, yin-yang, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So what you're seeing with the yin-yang, the true symbolism and meaning of the yin-yang has actually been screwed up throughout the ages.
	Actually, what you're seeing there is you're seeing the path of light above the earth.
	One side is the sun and one side is the moon.
	And that's exactly the pattern that it follows in order to light everything up.
	But during the daytime, I can see the moon during the daylight hours.
	Okay, check this out.
	You know, they actually tested moonlight against shade and they found that the light under the moon is actually colder than the shade?
	Of course it's cooler under the shade because the shade because it's not getting direct sunlight.
	No, no, no, you have it backwards.
	Underneath the moonlight, it's cooler.
	The moon is giving off cold light.
	Daniel, we have to agree to disagree on this.
	Well, this is documented.
	The moon is giving off cold light.
	It's not reflecting the sun's light.
	It is a light source of its own.
	And how do you explain this?
	Damon, I have a question for you, sir.
	Why is it that during an eclipse, why is it that the moon fits in front of the sun perfectly despite the fact that the moon is supposed to be way smaller and right next to the earth and the sun is supposed to be millions of miles away?
	Why does it fit on top of it perfect?
	Because the sun is eight light minutes away from the planet, so it's actually matches perfectly.
	What are the chances of that, though?
	It happens really, because the moon's at the right size goes that it goes the path of the sun is lots of ways because the moon is a lot closer than the sun to us.
	Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?
	No, I hope I hope to.
	I did do a podcast with a little devil boy.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	We need to come back to that in just a moment.
	But to finish the moonlight and moon source, light source, you think, from your point of view, that light actually emanates from the moon?
	Yeah, it's actually been documented and proven that there's cold cold light coming from the moon.
	I don't know why that is.
	I don't necessarily believe the Earth is flat.
	All I know is that NASA has been lying to us and there is not all this.
	Okay, look at it this way.
	If you're on an airplane, right?
	And the Earth is spinning around, why isn't it way faster to go from West Coast to East Coast as opposed to East Coast to West Coast?
	You would think by flying a plane into the turn of the Earth, the way it's spinning, by flying a plane into it, that you would actually get to your destination faster, but you don't.
	Because you go from the East Coast of the United States to the West Coast, going, they drive a headwind, and you're going from, say, San Francisco to Washington, D.C., you got a tailwind.
	But that doesn't make sense because you should still get there faster.
	No, because the winds go, you're going to come from the west to the east, or you're going to the west, like from Washington, D.C. to San Francisco, you're hitting the headwinds, it actually slows you down.
	And if you go from San Francisco to Washington, D.C., you got a tailwind, it actually pushes you.
	But the problem with that is, is the wind blows in all kinds of directions.
	The wind doesn't just blow in one.
	When Paul gets through the flight sign, for the officer they're going to fly at, it tells you what direction and how fast the wind's going.
	So if you're going, say, from Washington, D.C. to San Francisco, you're going into the wind, so the wind actually slows you down.
	Just like you're here on the surface, when you get walking into the wind, it slows you down.
	You've got to work harder to push through the wind.
	But if you're going with the wind, it actually pushes you.
	Same principle in the plane.
	But it's not like when you're in a plane, if you face one direction, the wind is way stronger.
	The wind patterns are different all the time.
	But you can feel the wind pushing against you.
	If you look, say that you're flying close to surface, like most highway patrol planes fly at to catch speeders.
	You're actually going, say you're falling like very top for like interstate 80.
	The winds that you're going from Reno to San Francisco, you're going into the wind, you actually have to move faster to maintain your speed and to catch the speeders.
	But if you're going from San Francisco to Reno, you've got a tailwind pushing it actually faster.
	You can actually document how fast for your different checkpoints.
	If you're going with the wind, it actually pushes you.
	So you're actually hitting checkpoints a lot quicker than you're going the opposite direction into the wind.
	But for that to be true, wouldn't the wind have to only be blowing one way?
	Wouldn't the wind always be blowing opposite direction of the way that the Earth is turning?
	I know that's not the case.
	There's a lot of different factors that goes into that, but drugs clear because of where the Earth is spinning, that's one faster.
	You got this.
	I got you, Damon, didn't I?
	I got you with that one.
	No, it's because at the different altitudes, because you're closer to the surface, you got the hills and the mountains creating friction to the wind, so you get the more turns.
	You're going higher in elevation, you don't have that dramatic turn with the wind.
	It goes more with the where the planet flows uh turns.
	Here's a question from our chat room: They'd like to know what makes you trust random people on and YouTube videos over what pilots who actually deal with this crap, is what they say.
	Uh, well, once again, it's my understanding that no matter how you how high you fly up in a plane, that the earth appears to be relatively flat.
	And I've seen plenty of videos on YouTube where people send these high-altitude balloons.
	Balloons can actually go a lot higher than airplanes, and they've sent these high-altitude balloons up and they've taken plenty of footage.
	The Earth should show a major curvature, and it just doesn't.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	Dennis, can I make a suggestion for you?
	Sure.
	I recommend you find a local pilot from where you live and just go for a flight and see it for yourself.
	And if he or she can explain to you or stuff, if you can do these different experiments prove to yourself with the wound and stuff, so you actually can have better arguments for against your point of view on this.
	I don't know, he's winning me over.
	So far, Daniel said like three things that just have stuck with me throughout all this, and it's causing me to actually question a few things.
	I'm going to go back to Mr. Smith, my eighth-grade teacher.
	I'm going to send him a pretty nasty email.
	He's a science teacher.
	Well, I'm glad that I got through to at least one person.
	Hopefully, there's some other people out there that are descending into the madness along with us.
	It reminds me of a song, and I can't remember the name of the song, but anyway, we'll move on.
	Okay, one more thing, real quick, about Flat Earth.
	Go ahead.
	There is a guy named Admiral Bird, and he was sent by the United States to Antarctica to investigate.
	He took all of these military people with him.
	He took airplanes, all kinds of stuff.
	And what he reported was beyond the South Pole, things just keep going.
	There's all kinds of land and all kinds of stuff.
	And ever since he went down there, all the countries of the world have had a treaty to stay away from Antarctica.
	They have a few research facilities and stuff like that, but it's completely closed off.
	You can't even really travel there.
	It's very hard.
	And all of these countries that are often at war with each other and experiencing conflict, they never go there.
	And it doesn't make sense because you would think somebody would go down there and try to claim it.
	Somebody would want to mine for oil, drill for oil, do stuff like that, but nobody goes near it.
	There's something very wrong here.
	There's something very weird going on.
	That is true.
	And you had the Secretary of the State right before Donald Trump became elected.
	John Kerry went there with, was it Buzz Aldrin?
	Yeah, there's got to be some kind of conspiracy, I would think, with there because that's just a hard place to get to.
	And another thing is that the location of the North and South Poles are always changing.
	They can never decide where they're at.
	And you never see any footage of somebody standing there at the South Pole showing a compass and showing that they're actually at the South Pole.
	You'll never see it.
	Oh, it looks like.
	It's a magnetic says that it naturally drifts.
	Anyways, if you're looking for the exact center of the top of the planet or the bottom of the planet, that will be fixed.
	If you're looking for the magnetic north or south pole, that's not exactly a top or the bottom of the planet.
	It's that it naturally moves.
	That's why for the magnetic headings for magnetic compass, that's why every few years that they change the runway numbers because when you land up on a runway, it could be like 1735, and a few years later it would be 0018 basically, because they have to change magnetic poles change.
	You got the magpoles to actually come up with so early.
	We'll spin.
	So Wolfman Mike is actually trying to call in and he wants to hop on here with us.
	He might be ready to sing his flat earth song.
	Should we try to get him on?
	Let's do that.
	Yeah, let's do that.
	So, Damon, thanks for giving us a call.
	That was actually a really interesting debate you two just had there.
	I think.
	Yeah, thanks, Damon.
	We disagree, but I still like you, buddy.
	Okay.
	You should take us to offer to the local pilot where you live and that and work with them so you'll either prove or disprove.
	I'll be right or you'll be wrong, but I know what I'm talking about.
	I'll try to make that happen.
	I think you guys maybe should be on the air together.
	Thanks, Damon.
	Also, I just want a programming note after our segment we're about to have with Wolfman and yourself.
	We will get to the Rekhuff emails or voicemails.
	Don't worry, guys.
	We will play those in just a moment.
	Here's a quick teaser of one of them.
	See if we can get it to play.
	Get off the damn phone, nigga.
	So that was one of his voicemails.
	We will play more of these.
	I leave it up to him to live or die by the content of his own message.
	So, okay, the floor is yours again, Daniel.
	Okay, I'm currently trying to get Wolfman on the line, but I think that I might have to have you add him, Mud King.
	I can do that.
	Let's see.
	Is he ready for us?
	Yeah, he's trying to get on.
	He's calling me, but I can't really add him to the call.
	That would have to go through you.
	Okay.
	Let's see if he.
	Is that the right Skype?
	Yeah, that's.
	Okay, cool.
	It's been a while since I've talked to him, but I thought it was.
	Okay.
	There he is.
	Effects and all.
	All right.
	Are we at the Belgabathon now?
	Hell yeah, we are.
	All right.
	Sorry, guys.
	I was just, I lost track of time.
	I was so busy, and then I had fell asleep in my chair when I was done.
	No, no worries.
	No worries.
	I kind of had a cancel on you.
	So we got you on here now.
	So I'm excited.
	Are you ready to sing?
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm always ready for that stuff.
	I got the recording ready.
	I didn't know where you're.
	I couldn't find your email to send it to you.
	I got it recorded so you could lyrics there.
	You said you wanted to sing along.
	Best way actually to.
	Just play it.
	Just play it.
	I'm not going to sing along with the record.
	I'll just ruin it.
	Just go ahead and play it.
	Actually, Wolfman, what you should know, though, is I've been telling these guys about Flat Earth for like the last half hour.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wow.
	He's almost got me converted, Wolfman.
	Wow.
	What's the most like, I don't really believe in it or anything.
	I just think it's interesting.
	I feel sorry for people that believe in it.
	Oh, God.
	I believe in it.
	I like the idea that if I were to run as fast as I could in one direction, I could fall and just float into space.
	Yeah, that's why I said, like, what do flat earthers, what would they take with them on a sea cruise?
	They take their life insurance policy.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah.
	And a parachute.
	And an extra pair of underwear.
	In case they're right.
	A parachute in case they fall over the edge.
	Well, there's an ice wall.
	There's an ice wall, but we can't get into that at another time.
	Are the white walkers on the other side of that?
	Maybe.
	This is cool.
	Yeah, I gotta find my Gmail here unless I play it from here.
	Hang on a second.
	Go on Google Images, look up Icewall, Flat Earth Ice Wall.
	You will see tons and tons of evidence.
	The Ice Wall is real.
	Well, Daniel, you're going to do some YouTube videos on this too?
	It seems like you've convinced multiple people in the chat room too.
	Well, I'm trying to get a hold of some of these actual experts.
	I'd like to talk to one of them and have an actual, you know, professional idiot on air.
	I like that.
	I want business cards, but I'm a professional idiot.
	No, I got a couple of them that you can have.
	I can hook you up.
	I got two flat earth guys I talked to.
	All right, we'll make it happen.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's the amazing part of the Belgabathon that we just bring podcasters together in new ways.
	Even though you guys know each other already, but shut up.
	That's what happened.
	Donate.
	Donating.
	Yeah, I was about to say donate, donate, donate.
	Donate to George Sena.
	Donate to Belgab.
	No, this is the Belgabathon.
	Don't donate to the first person.
	I'm sorry.
	That's okay.
	I'm muting my mic.
	You guys go.
	I'll give you 10 minutes of just do whatever you want.
	Buy Kathy some new teeth.
	What's your favorite foods?
	You think pizza?
	Like.
	Cookies.
	I'm going to be eating a lot of crow if this flat earth thing turns out to be a bunch of bullshit.
	Tortillas.
	I don't know.
	What if it's true, though?
	It is true.
	Oh, you believe it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, really?
	I didn't know that.
	So you have a song called Flat Earth Heads, and you've never even actually believed in Flat Earth.
	Oh, I got buddies that do.
	And I've never believed in it, but I listened to it and I'm interested, but I don't actually believe it necessarily.
	Yeah, I would say look into it.
	I mean, everybody out there, I know it sounds crazy.
	I know it sounds insane.
	And it might be, but please look into it.
	Let your own self decide.
	Don't let other people tell you what reality is because they will lie to you.
	Look at all the other stuff they lied about.
	The sinking of the Lusitania, the Gulf of Tonkin, JFK, the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
	Hello?
	Yeah, man.
	Everyone's trying to call me right now.
	I'm just trying to answer everybody.
	Let them know what's going on.
	They mustn't have checked my Twitter or anything, man.
	Wow.
	Yeah, we might be getting low on time here, buddy.
	Okay.
	Oh, you need to sing right now?
	Yeah, we better go ahead and play it.
	I'm trying.
	We had a little miscommunication there.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Hang on here.
	Hang on.
	Do that Wolfman Jack voice a little bit, though.
	Yeah, this is the Wolfman Mike, and we are on the Belgabathon.
	Everyone, can you dig it?
	It is fantastic and grooving, baby.
	All right.
	What are we raising money for here?
	For Belgab.
	All right.
	I have a lot of respect for Wolfman Jack because he's like the original pirate radio guy.
	He used to broadcast from Mexico with this gigantic antenna that would just reach everywhere.
	And that's why so many people listen to him.
	So there's a little bit of radio history for the Belgab.
	Here we go.
	You have nowhere else to meditate.
	You're talking right to you.
	Wow.
	Hear the sounds like echoes in the ground.
	Look at your misery shining across the sea.
	It's quite clear.
	All right.
	That was amazing.
	Yeah, I worked hard on that, but it's still not a complete, you know, professional version of it yet, but it's not bad.
	Awesome.
	Well, that's all I've got.
	I mean, I think I've gone well over my time.
	Oh, it's fine.
	I want to thank you both for being a part of this.
	That was a cool song.
	Thank you for sharing that with us.
	How did it come through?
	Like, wow.
	Like, I Skype sounded it to you, though.
	I'm just wondering how it came through.
	It was fine.
	I mean, obviously, it's going to be going through mono through my stream, so it's not going to have the full effect of the song because of Skype and that.
	But yeah, Skype song, something it cracks in and out and all kinds of weird things.
	Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
	Yeah, it was fine.
	I mean, we could definitely hear it.
	Cool.
	Everybody listen to Monster Castle Paranormal with Wolfman Mike and Darren.
	Yes, do listen to that.
	Go to monstercastleparanormal.com and find the links there.
	Find me on Twitter at hashtag 47 Talk is our chat room.
	And we will be going live probably sometime tonight as well.
	I'm not sure when I'll be on with Daniel for a while.
	So I probably usually go on around 3 a.m. Eastern Standard Time.
	And I'll be appearing on that show soon.
	Right on.
	Go back in the archives and listen to Wolfman and I talking about fireballs chasing people and all kinds of crazy stuff.
	Yeah, I actually re-released that episode and re-re-edited it so it's cleaned up the sound a bit and it's called Those Dang Fireballs.
	Oh, nice.
	Yeah.
	That was a fun show.
	It's funny.
	You guys know each other.
	It's like everybody knows everybody.
	Well, that's what a good podcaster does is hangs out in the community, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	And it bugs everybody on how to do it when he's first starting.
	That's right.
	Yep.
	So, Daniel, one more time, do you want to let everybody know how they can find you and then we'll call it a night?
	Sure.
	Just wanted to say shout out to Bell Gab.
	I love you guys.
	Thank you to NV for creating that place and keeping it going.
	Everybody, please donate to Bell Gab.
	I'm not going to plug because everybody already knows where to find me.
	So just thank you, everybody, for coming by.
	And thank you for donating to Bellgab, Bellgab Rocks.
	Awesome.
	That's a great note.
	All right.
	We will call the night for that.
	We're going to end it our night with one more voicemail from Rick Uff.
	And I want to thank Daniel and Wolfman Mike for helping us close out the episode tonight.
	We did end up losing Yorkshire and Yorkshire and SV.
	I think they had connection problems.
	Plus, it was getting very, very late on their end.
	So one last chance for everybody.
	If you want to get in last second and say anything for the Bell Gabathon, hurry and call 317-708-4500 live show 99 with nothing else coming through, which I know I need to give you guys a chance for the delay.
	I'm going to go ahead and play one more voicemail message.
	This is what everybody in the chat's been waiting for.
	Let's hope it lives up to the hype.
	Be sure to go to bellgab.com and donate one last time, everyone.
	Make this happen.
	Bulky.
	Why don't he want me, May?
	Bulky.
	Why don't he want me, May?
	Fulky.
	Why don't he want me, May?
	Falky.
	Why don't he want me, May?
	There you go.
	That was the last of the infamous voicemails.
	Anyone else?
	This is your last chance.
	We're calling tonight.
	It's almost over.
	I don't know if you can feel it, but I can feel it.
	We've been going for a little over four hours.
	This will probably get broken up into more than one podcast, timecasting, but who knows?
	We'll see.
	Anyway, thanks, everyone.
	Thanks, YP and SV, for joining me on short notice and being co-hosts.
	Thanks to Chefist for hosting his segment.
	Thanks for all the callers, Damon.
	Thank you for being a vocal part of this.
	I really appreciate that.
	Thank you, Michael Horne, for showing up and giving us a really good connection to your thread, to who you are, and the way you allow people to come right back and call out anything they want to, and that you'll respond.
	I think that really lends a lot compared to some of the people out there who will say something, see if it sticks, and walk away.
	And I think it's pretty cool.
	So whether you believe him or not, at least you should give him a chance to interact with him on his thread.
	Also, want to thank Tiger Lily for calling and Daniel and Wolfman for being a part.
	Oh, wait.
	Hold on.
	We've got one more right under the gate.
	Let's see.
	Who is our caller?
	Hey.
	Hey, who do I have?
	Oh, wait.
	I think I know who it is.
	Is this Jackstar?
	Okay.
	Hang on.
	Oh, this thing that waves along.
	Oh my God.
	Are you there?
	Can you hear me?
	Oh, my God.
	Can you hear me?
	I can hear you.
	Can you hear me?
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	How you doing, man?
	Hey, pretty good.
	How are you?
	I'm great.
	I have missed you big time.
	I've missed you too, man.
	You blew my mind.
	Now it's like, I can honestly say years ago with your knowledge of Star Trek and relating to theory of life, man.
	I was like, wow, it took me days to process that.
	Well, thanks.
	I appreciate that compliment.
	Now, how's my rubble check?
	Am I coming through good?
	Oh, you're good.
	Yep.
	You're good.
	All right.
	You said to call in, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We're ending the show.
	So you get to be the one to close us out.
	And you know, I can't think of a better person to do that for something that's related to Bell Gab because you're a prolific poster.
	I don't feel like we can close out the show since you haven't said the incantation.
	Oh, you're right.
	Hold on.
	Wait.
	I say it every night, but I do it in an altered state.
	So now I got to remember what it is.
	Hold on.
	I know it's.
	Go get altered, man.
	I'm not going anywhere.
	Go ahead.
	There you go.
	Come on.
	Where is it?
	You tired now?
	What?
	You got to have a nappy?
	I could use a nap.
	I could totally.
	Let me tell you what.
	I could use a nap.
	Wait, what?
	Could you?
	Oh, I haven't even told you what the deal is.
	Do you even know what the deal is?
	Do you know?
	I got a story.
	Oh, my God.
	Hey, go.
	Tell me.
	They fixed me.
	Who fixed you and why?
	Were you broken?
	Yeah, a surgeon fixed me because I was busted.
	Really?
	Like appendicitis or something or what?
	No, okay.
	Well, I don't know how much you know of my history.
	How much do you people know about my history?
	Wait, do you even?
	Come on, say the incantation.
	Who are you talking to?
	Oh, it's Jackstar.
	Yes, that's true.
	My name is Jack.
	I am a star.
	Okay, so in the past, there have been various appellations attached to me.
	I'm going to start alphabetically with pedophile and then penis and then asshole.
	And I don't remember the rest.
	the way back with that backwards okay so one point no ship the fucking around blue or not but Wait, I got it now.
	I summoned the Jackstar destroyer of dreams.
	Okay, now you are fully triggered.
	Go.
	Now I forgot what I was saying.
	I was doing good before.
	I apologize.
	You know who needs fixed?
	Obviously, it's me.
	Take a call.
	I want to get some donations.
	By the way, I want it to be on record that I gave money.
	Did you?
	Thank you for that.
	We did just have someone try to call and then they chickened out.
	So people call.
	I'm happy to talk to anybody.
	It's cool.
	All right, so back to my story, right?
	They had this one guy try to tell me that I was autistic.
	And for like a minute or two, I was like, hmm, maybe.
	Turns out, no.
	I ain't no bleeding autist.
	Tell you what.
	Well, how do they, what were they doing?
	Did they try to do like tests to see if you interact or something or what?
	Well, let's start with the first part of your question.
	When you asked me, what were they doing?
	I got to ask you, what do you mean by they?
	And I mean, at what point in my life we're talking about?
	Because let me tell you, I had something going on for a good four decades that I didn't even know was a thing at all until like, I don't know, right before it got fixed.
	And then before that, I just thought I had problems.
	Everybody could see that I had problems.
	I don't know.
	Maybe you can tell from my posting history.
	I think that there's probably a hidden message in what you're saying.
	I just don't know what the message is yet because I don't think I'm awake enough yet.
	But so you're saying there's something for 40 years was going on.
	And it just recently was fixed, whatever it is?
	Okay, well, I'm not fully fixed because I still got to see a couple more doctors because there are repercussions to the major thing that got happened.
	But the major thing that happened, I'll reveal this now.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Are we ready to reveal this now or should we wait for a donation?
	Yeah, we need a donation for this.
	So anyone who wants to find out the real story, go to bellgab.com on the left-hand side of the menu, click that donate button and give a donate of 33.33 of Jackstar.
	It was Friday.
	That's not me.
	No, no.
	I want everybody to cough up a nickel.
	A nickel.
	Wait, you don't want to go with $9.11?
	No, I want Tommy Jefferson's head.
	Let's do it.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Some people do it.
	And hopefully MV is still in the chat room and can tell us when that comes through.
	It was like $50 and a nickel or $80 a nickel or $69 a nickel would be inappropriate, but I'm not going to stop anybody.
	Actually, I would.
	I'd stop it.
	Okay, but if, yeah, let's hold out for donations.
	Are we doing that?
	Isn't that what we're doing now?
	That is the point.
	That's what tonight is.
	I'm not ripping out my peacock for nothing.
	I'll tell you that.
	Nice.
	I don't know, man.
	I want to hear about what was 40 years in the making.
	Okay, well, okay, this is one thing I remember quite vividly.
	President Templar, he was given a speech of some kind, and he gave a bunch of before he got elected or whatever.
	He said that he was referring to some kind of hacking thing.
	He was talking about cybersecurity.
	It was like one of those speeches he was given.
	And he was making reference with his hand gestures, and he was talking about how whatever happened to whatever was done by some.
	This is what I remember.
	Oh, wait, we just got a caller call in.
	Okay, well, I'll pass that one off.
	Hold on.
	No, wait.
	No.
	Let's go ahead and cut that on mute really quick.
	Is that a banshee?
	I don't know what that was, but we'll go to our caller in just a minute.
	Go ahead and finish.
	We've got them on the line, queued up, but go ahead and finish what you're saying.
	The President Templar said that whatever it would have been, some guy with 180 IQ who can't get out of bed in the morning.
	And he said it so casually, like it was a whole cast of society that he saw all the time.
	And because from his position lofty above us, I'm sure he sees people like that all the time.
	And it made me realize, fuck, there's a bunch of people who have whatever the fuck my problem is because, oh, excuse me, whatever the F, I'm probably going to be.
	Oh, no, this is Bell Gabb's podcast.
	Let me fucking tell you, my whole fucking life has been like a fucking nine-inch nails video until they fucking fixed me.
	And now it's all like Peter, Paul, and Mary and Metallica.
	Great.
	Wait, Peter, Paul, and Mary, and Metallica?
	Or did I get that wrong?
	No, that's right.
	Okay.
	Mary.
	Oh, yeah.
	Mary, right in between Metallica, totally.
	Rollers isn't there.
	He's off.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, I'm a lot better now.
	And that just happened in the last month and a half.
	I got another four weeks of whatever they call recovery time.
	And then I don't know what they're going to find when they test me.
	But the last guy that tested me didn't find anything wrong with me.
	Hold on just a second.
	So I want to come back to the test because I think maybe I know what the test was now.
	But our callers are on the air.
	Who all do we have on the line?
	Because it looks like I've got a group.
	I'm confused.
	A group group.
	Group.
	Oh, group.
	This is gravity.
	Hey, gravity.
	Okay, did you call or did someone else call?
	No, you call me.
	I didn't call you.
	I didn't call anybody.
	Somebody from Live Show 99 called me.
	No, I think someone else called from a group and you were a part of it.
	White Crow, you're there too.
	Okay, so did you call?
	Well, you didn't call me.
	I was called Jackstar.
	Okay, right.
	I think you called a group, and so you got star and gravity on the two.
	So star and gravity, if you don't want to be part of the call, feel free to jump off.
	But if you want to stay on and talk to Jackstar, wait, do you want to be Jackstar or Jack?
	What do you want to go by?
	Okay, go ahead.
	I'll just say goodnight to all 25 time zones across the whole big wide world that's round.
	There you go.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	I just wanted to say to Jackstar, why would you need fixing?
	You seem perfectly normal to me.
	Oh, well, because you didn't realize what happened after I was done being normal for as long as I could.
	I had a significant problem creating certain kinds of neurotransmitters because of reasons.
	You had a problem?
	Oh, yeah.
	I had a significant challenge that was biological in nature.
	You know, when a person has problems, sometimes they're spiritual, sometimes they're sexual, sometimes they're literary.
	You know, people have a variety of problems.
	In my case, I still have quite the kaleidoscope of challenges and riddles and puzzles and sticky bombs.
	But what I don't have anymore is something that plagued me for my entire life without even me even realizing could be there.
	And then when I found it, I didn't know what to do about it.
	And then everybody who I attempted to get help from about this particular problem wrote it off as something that it wasn't for a real long time.
	And that's recently been resolved.
	A lot better about it.
	What was this problem that plagued you most of your life, but you didn't know what it was?
	Yeah, exactly.
	What was the problem specifically?
	Well, I don't actually know for sure yet.
	I've talked to one doctor who's opinion I trust.
	I can work at it.
	I believe that.
	But I don't know that she's absolutely accurate.
	I still have to talk to some more doctors, and it would be premature for me to jump ahead and say what I had precisely because I'm not sure.
	And I'm not medically trained anyway, so what do I know?
	I'm the patient anyway.
	But you're perfectly normal.
	I don't understand how you could have a problem most of your life for neurotransmitters, but yet be perfectly normal.
	When was I perfectly normal?
	I think your whole life.
	Well, were you there at my seventh birthday party?
	I was there in spirit.
	God bless you.
	I hope you were.
	I went to Mass tonight for two hours, Easter Vigil.
	I prayed for you, El Gabbers.
	Well, good.
	I'm glad to hear that.
	May I speak for us all when I say that I appreciate your blessings indeed.
	And may I also say I'm really grateful that you took the marbles out of your mouth.
	I never had marbles in my mouth.
	They were there in spirit.
	I think something was wrong with your hearing.
	That's still the case.
	I got tinnitus, like you wouldn't believe.
	Not as bad as Ian Punnett, but it's still like a thing.
	I'm not going to let it get that bad.
	Oh, my God.
	I can see.
	Like, I kind of thought it was like, Ian, you're being a whiny little.
	Perhaps he was, but I don't judge it any longer as much as I can.
	That tinnitus thing can get out of hand.
	I'm here to tell you.
	Testify.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, I'm starting to get affected by it.
	The ringing in the year.
	I think it was too much head-singing music back in the early 70s.
	That can certainly play a role, definitely.
	It does.
	Fortunately, I was hardly ever invited to any concerts by anyone, so didn't really play too much of a role in my life.
	Oh, and we went to all the big ones.
	Yeah.
	All the big boys.
	Did you go to the Ozzy Osborne Farewell Tour in 1992?
	Oh, my friends teased me mercilessly.
	They said, you're not going to go to the Ozzy Osborne Farewell Tour.
	He's never going to tour again.
	You've got to go now.
	Come on.
	Let's buy some merchandise.
	They fucking went and they fucking bought shit and came back and mocked me.
	I kind of did feel bad for a minute.
	I'm not going to lie.
	No, I'm talking about Peter Paul of Murray and the turtles.
	Sadly, before my time, I wasn't allowed to travel at that age.
	By the way, hey, hey, I don't usually do this, but may I ask you to reveal your age to us?
	No, I won't do that.
	Okay.
	May I ask other questions?
	Anyway, I just called up to tell everybody.
	Yeah.
	Peace be with you, brothers and sisters.
	Hang in there and enjoy your life.
	That's it.
	I don't know.
	Do we have any listeners, Curtis, left?
	Yeah, we do.
	I still have a pretty good list.
	Let me look and see what our total is really quick.
	I just kind of let you guys go there.
	Do we have nickels?
	We did get a new donation.
	I just don't know the amounts of it.
	Somehow I think I can relate to Jackstar.
	We have souls.
	Your two sides are the same nickel?
	And White Crow, you know all about nickels, right?
	Because you count them.
	Yeah, that's what we do all day is call nickels.
	Well, not you, the tellers who work for you.
	No, you find ways to invest those nickels, right, into new properties.
	Well, that's what it's all about, pretty much.
	Yeah.
	We just take it in and give it off to other people once you make your payments.
	So basically, you live a life of interest.
	Yes, that's exactly it.
	So Jackstar, can I ask you a few questions?
	In a moment, I'm taking a pause to absorb the enormity of your certitude that you just demonstrated.
	Are you a married man?
	Negative.
	Well, wait, wait, wait.
	I'm kind of married myself.
	What do you mean by marriage?
	You mean like legally married?
	No, no, no.
	Have you ever been married?
	No.
	No.
	I think you'd be a good husband.
	I really do.
	I appreciate you saying that, honestly.
	And this is riveting radio, by the way.
	Is everyone else on the edge of the seat, fly guy?
	I'm waiting to see you.
	Oh, Gordon.
	They're all going, oh, God, you got point crows out.
	Yeah, I got it.
	Okay, what some of you don't realize.
	I'm pretty sure White Crow knows because he's a crow.
	Okay.
	What few of you probably realize is that I have intense admiration for basically every person who has ever posted on Bellgab more than twice for one thing.
	How can you stand it?
	Oh, well, here I am.
	Okay, but most of the people who I ever even deigned to even acknowledge at all more than once or twice is because I genuinely love them and admire them as a human being.
	And White Crow is near the top of the list.
	This guy's awesome.
	So anyway, I forgot.
	On top of Jackstar's list, that's pretty cool.
	That's a pretty cool list to be on, isn't it?
	To be somebody that he's going to put his time into respecting as a Bell Gabber.
	I'd say you're a good guy.
	You're on the top 10 list of Bell Gabbers, I'm sure.
	That's all right, though.
	I don't deserve any respect.
	Well, that's what makes giving it to you all the more wonderful.
	All right, Mr. Crow, we're going to let you go.
	Thank you for calling.
	I've got something else.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow your roll there, Kurt.
	All right.
	He said he had questions.
	What'd you say?
	Say that last part again.
	I don't believe he was done.
	He said he had questions, and then we went off onto a tangent, and I figured he still had them.
	Oh, go ahead.
	He's still here.
	He's still here.
	No, White Crow knows that he can do no wrong from me.
	So if he has a second put on a wonderful show tonight, and everybody else that hosted and called in and enjoyed it, I prayed for Michael tonight at Mass.
	That was the evil one.
	The evil one.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Good night, guys.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Looked like we had Star trying to call back.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Finish up.
	I don't want to cut you off.
	All right.
	So it looked like Star Mountain was trying to call.
	If she wants to try again, that's fine.
	But go ahead and take the floor.
	Jackstar.
	Are you speaking?
	Okay.
	I apologize.
	I don't actually know the rhythm of what's going on here.
	And while you guys are running your little radio show, I'm sitting here about to have a cocktail of some fiber husks and some water.
	Meanwhile, I've been awake for a reasonable time today, and I haven't taken any kinds of strange drugs.
	In case anybody's wondering, I just got an inkling.
	Sony might be wondering if I'm on some kind of strange drug.
	I'm not.
	And then I'm sitting here mumbling to myself and commenting on what's being said while I'm, I don't know.
	Am I fucking live?
	Are we doing this live?
	Fuck it, we're doing live, right?
	Exactly.
	One of my favorite lines right there.
	Now we have Star on the line.
	Okay.
	Star, what is your question, comment, or whatever?
	Hello.
	Oh, my gosh, that's loud.
	Is it?
	Yeah, talk to Public Twice.
	A little better?
	That's a little bit better.
	Is that an echo, or is that one of Hillary's emails trying to claw its way back from the dead?
	Oh, shoot.
	How did you find out?
	I know things.
	I just want to say I am so glad you're doing this.
	Curtis, congratulations.
	And I didn't know that was you, Jackstar.
	Hello.
	Hello, Star.
	And I want to express to you very directly now that I have the opportunity.
	I didn't mean a single word of those mean things I pretended to say to you.
	I've always cared for you deeply.
	You're a wonderful person.
	Never meant a word of it.
	I knew the only way anybody would believe that I lost my mind is if I turned on you.
	Like, who would do that?
	Kind of a monster.
	Oh, I know you were kidding.
	As long as you're having fun.
	Well, there's other conditions on top of that, but yeah, definitely that.
	Okay, well, I just wanted to wish you all well, and I will be hitting the dermate button.
	Awesome.
	Always have, always will.
	Well, thank you, and thank you, MV, for giving us the platform to do this.
	Without that, none of us would be connecting with each other.
	So there you go.
	You said braise, right?
	Yes.
	Place brave MV.
	Say that five times fast.
	I'll skip that tonight.
	Thank you for calling.
	We appreciate it.
	Bye-bye.
	And thank you for being a bell gabber.
	And Jackstar, thank you for being a bell gabber, too.
	You're welcome.
	My pleasure.
	It's a privilege and an honor.
	I think you're right.
	I'm looking in the chat room and they were asking if Ingloria Spitch called in tonight, and she did win as the female poster of the year, and she didn't call in.
	Well, I was all happy and excited about this, and all of a sudden that bummed me out a little bit.
	So she's on a date.
	Maybe she's strated by admirers in person and she's laughing her whatever on or off, whatever.
	She just can't be bothered to deal with the challenges of live radio, which, to be fair, are remarkable.
	That is true.
	Imagine what it's like every night for George Norrie.
	Do you listen to him, Coast, at all at this point?
	Hmm.
	Lately, my habits have changed dramatically.
	I don't listen to much of anything anymore like I used to.
	Pretty much after they brain slugged Trump, I was really getting away from the media for a while completely.
	I don't listen to radio shows more often than like 10 seconds at a time just to see what kind of the rhythm is.
	And that's it.
	And then George Norrie, I listen to even less than any of that.
	If he's on the radio, I'll listen to that other song that I posted on the guy.
	Ed Sheeran.
	Oh, God, I can't stand that thing.
	Oh, my God.
	I'll listen to that over before.
	Sorry.
	That was literally involuntary.
	Okay, so I'll listen to that over and over and repeat while I'm sleeping before I'll listen to George Nori longer than I have to.
	Nice.
	So what is it that they did to what was the first step of your treatment?
	If you're interested in saying, feel free to say your next topic if you'd like to.
	Well, actually, I don't mind talking about that at all.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure about some of the facts, but I'm pretty sure I know what I'm not sure on.
	And then the stuff that I'm sure on, I can talk about that all day.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm ready to go all night.
	I got drugs.
	I can take them if you want.
	No, I got something to do in a few minutes.
	I have to call a night soon, too, because I do have an early day tomorrow.
	Well, give me a time frame here.
	I don't actually know what you want to know.
	When you say timeframe, as far as how long our conversation is going to be or that you want me to ask you questions within.
	I can fill the next five minutes solid.
	All right, let's give it at least 10.
	I think it deserves a space for that.
	Okay, okay.
	When you say my treatment, what do you mean by treatment?
	Like when they first noticed I was weird or whatever, did something, it was when I was like five or six or seven or something when they started moving around from different classes, like from advanced class or whatever.
	Okay, so was that because you were exhibiting traits that made it that created, gosh, disruptions in the classroom?
	Or was it just that you were you saying something that caused them to want to, but was it voluntary on your part, I guess, to whittle it down?
	Or was it involuntary that a teacher or student was saying, you need to move to another class?
	Well, at the earliest age, it was noticeable that I was more intelligent than the average student for whatever reason.
	I taught myself to read at the age of three.
	And then when I went into school, I was already way ahead of whatever the kids around me were doing.
	I had done that already.
	And then there wasn't any reason they thought to keep me in with them.
	So they tried moving to this other place for advanced kids.
	But then they were all significantly older than I was.
	And for various reasons, that didn't work out.
	And then they moved back somewhere else.
	So when I talk about treatment, I mean, it's not really like, frankly, I don't know if I've ever gotten treatment.
	More of how you've been treated versus treatment?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's kind of like, you know, the story about a square peg in a round hole.
	Well, I think I'm a Tesserac.
	Oh, nice.
	Yeah.
	So nothing ever worked out.
	And then I didn't respond expectedly to typical whatevers that they tried to, whatever people do when they raise children or whatever.
	And then eventually I think it was eventually deemed to be more likely than not that I was just some sort of failed experiment or something.
	Like I've often wondered just how much stuff they put in the water and how well they keep track of their little things.
	Like maybe this is all the Betty Jessica Breeding Program.
	Like why couldn't it be?
	So you almost could be the Julian Assange of America.
	I don't think so.
	Well, didn't he, wasn't he raised in a group that was like training children that were smarter than everybody else or something?
	I don't know the full story behind him, but I thought Julian Assange came from like a background of like right.
	I had heard that as well.
	If he had done that, okay, then he would be an example of somebody from such a program who had excelled because obviously he got a lot of stuff done.
	In my case, the only thing I've excelled at is doing whatever the hell I want to do.
	And believe me, it has paid off handsomely.
	If you ever get a chance to do whatever the hell you want to do, I suggest you take it.
	So going that direction with it, does that mean you've been self-employed most of your life?
	Or is employment, not even employment in terms of holding down a steady job not important because you have far more interest than that?
	Money is irrelevant to you.
	You've evolved past it.
	I'd say that in my case, it's literally that I've been physically incapacitated for 98% of my entire lifespan.
	And even now, as we speak and I'm talking to you, I've still considered myself to be physically incapacitated.
	I got to adjust the new condition I got going on because it's different from anything I've ever experienced before.
	And if there's anybody else in the planet who's had to go through what I've gone through and is going through now what I'm doing, I'd love to talk to them.
	I'd like to do a support group, but I don't know how the hell to find anybody like me.
	I mean, Christ, I've tried to.
	I've actually been trying to do that unconsciously, if not consciously, for months on your freaking website.
	And I think if there's anybody else like me around, they would have showed up by now.
	Yeah, I think you're unique on Bell Gab.
	Yeah.
	Well, the internet, really.
	It's not just Belgium.
	That could be.
	Yeah, that's true.
	You're probably right.
	But that's going to be nice, though, to feel that you're not.
	Okay, so I guess let me ask you instead of trying to make a statement there because that's assuming way too much on my part.
	Anything.
	Well, I'd rather do it in a way that doesn't lead you in the conversation.
	Do you feel like you are completely unique in the way you perceive and experience and interact with reality?
	Or are there others out there and you're pretty sure at some point you're going to find them?
	No, I think I'm just an example of a walking wounded survivor.
	I've come through various forms of emotional and physical trauma and been made stronger for it straight out of Nietzsche.
	I don't think there's anything super duper unique about me.
	I got some quirks and stuff, but I don't think I'm superhuman or exceptionally unusual.
	I may have, okay, we all have our own unique qualities.
	And yeah, okay, I'm a special snowfig, big deal.
	I don't think it's anything.
	I don't know.
	I'll have to think about this more.
	Come back to that later.
	Okay, so you're basically you're saying you don't have a Superman complex necessarily that you're the last of your type or some kind of superhuman?
	No, I don't believe so.
	That kind of thinking I encountered in my 20s, my early 20s, when I didn't know what the hell was going on.
	And there were some tendencies for grandiose behavior, but I pretty much know.
	That's cool.
	Okay.
	So then taking that into account that you're pretty grounded there, you made the comment that you're 98% incapacitated in a physical way.
	Am I accurately saying that?
	Well, now that I've spoken for some time, I can revisit the question that was asked earlier.
	I think it was White Crow when he asked me, what's the exact diagnosis or whatever the fuck he said?
	The best thing I got right now is something called generalized hypoxia.
	So break that down.
	What's that mean?
	I mean, the general part of it means that it's not, they aren't specifically locating it to one location.
	It's not your arm.
	It's not your appendix.
	It's not your heart.
	But what's that?
	Well, let's compare it to like acute hypoxia, which is what happens to a fighter jet pilot when they lose oxygen.
	Okay.
	Basically right before they pass out.
	Well, the rate at which the brain dies is dependent on factors like how much oxygen and the air pressure and the altitude and various whatever.
	I think the I don't know.
	No clue.
	But I do know that when you start losing oxygen, if you start losing it too fast, then you're just going to pass out and die within as quickly as like 90 seconds.
	But then if an organism doesn't have enough oxygen to grow the way it's meant to for whatever reason, and then it develops that way, then the hypoxic condition can be generalized throughout the whole systems of the organism, which is what definitely happened in my case, sort of, although I don't know what exactly, I don't know enough to know that for sure, right?
	Now I'm getting into territory where I don't know what I'm talking about now.
	So is it a physical manifestation of whatever part of your body that I guess your lungs would be pretty important in terms of how you process oxygen?
	Is it something that's a fundamental flaw there, or is it caused by an incident?
	I think it might have been an inadvertent glitch because there's these various conditions that I happen to have, some of them congenital, meaning I was born with them, and then some of them acquired through adventure or maladventure, and others through behaviors that I've developed and just growing up having to deal with various things.
	And I really need to get into what the whole list is.
	Oh my God, we could be here all night.
	Doesn't that sound like fun?
	Go to Starbucks.
	Come on.
	Well, we probably should have started at 8 o'clock with this call then, if that's what we're doing.
	I didn't know you wanted me.
	Whatever.
	That's all.
	Hey, you know what?
	You always wanted to.
	Tell that to my other friend.
	Okay.
	Where were we?
	What was the question?
	I just yeah, well, there's so many different directions.
	It's like talking to you is you're you just walked into Disneyland or Disney World, and you have all these different paths you can go down that you know are going to be really fun rides.
	So you got to pick one, but you're worried you might pick the wrong one.
	And if you get that, if you do pick the wrong path and the long line gets in the way, then you're like, man, I could have been going and doing that.
	I could have been Space Mountain.
	I could have gone over here and got my picture taken with whoever, you know, Mickey Mouse.
	But you just, how do you pick?
	So while you're waiting, someone takes your photo and wants to charge you 50 bucks for it.
	So right now I've got the flash was just in my eyes.
	Right.
	Whoa, slow.
	Whoa, slow down.
	I think at this point, continue your analogy.
	The only mistake you could make would be to leave the park site without a souvenir.
	Yeah, so give me that souvenir so we can end the bell gabathon.
	When are you podcasting again?
	When am I?
	Yeah.
	Well, I'll be doing stuff with jazz very soon once our schedules work out again.
	By very soon.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Or Bell soon or what?
	Well, no, very, very soon, like within the next month.
	Okay, well, call me.
	You have my number, right?
	Well, I do now, right?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Well, at least Skype, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, if you want to, if you wanted me to call in and talk some more, you can just do the incantation.
	Although that one was only a one-time thing.
	I'm not clear to make magical spells that work in any circumstances.
	Summon me like a puff of smoke.
	That'd be fucking badass, though.
	Oh, man.
	Could you be the Beetle juice of Bell Gab?
	No.
	No.
	That is so much.
	Okay, fine.
	All right.
	Well, on that note, what would be the final plea for a donation you would give?
	And then I'm going to play some music and we're done.
	Pray for my friend who I'm really concerned about.
	Yes, please do.
	That sounds pretty serious.
	So everybody do that.
	All right.
	Well, I crowds up the one I have math, you know?
	Yep, that's true.
	And considering that it is Easter, that's probably a good thing to do.
	It looks like we just lost him.
	So lost Jackstar on the line.
	So thanks, everybody, for joining us for the Bell Gabathon 2017.
	This is a wrap.

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