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	This is the Gabcast, a podcast about bellgab.com.
	Call the show now at 623-242-CAST.
	That's 623-242-2278.
	Now, shut up, sit down, and listen to the damn show.
	That's right.
	Believe it or not, this is the Gabcast, a podcast about Bell Gab.
	I am the Mud King, aka Curtis.
	With me is Gravity Sucks, Star Mountain, Showroom Dummy, and Showroom Dummy.
	I think this is the first time I've talked with you on a podcast.
	How is everyone doing?
	And what do you want to talk about?
	Very happy to be here.
	Great to talk to everybody.
	And yes, it's the first time I am a virgin going in here.
	Gravity, how are you?
	I'm doing really well.
	How do you all?
	I tried to do the show notes for this week, but I couldn't find anything in the forum to talk about.
	So hopefully we have some callers that can come up with some topics that we can go ahead and discuss because it seems like a pretty boring week at Midnight in the Desert.
	Yeah, you would know that the episode that I'm hosting would be the most boring week in Gabcast or Belgab history.
	Star Mountain, how are you?
	I'm fine.
	Thank you.
	Things are going much, much better than they have been.
	I'm pleased, but I'm not talking about Belgab.
	Belgab, boring.
	Nothing's happening.
	Come on, folks.
	Yeah, we need some excitement to get this rumble going.
	So like Star said, there's nothing really Belgab related to talk about.
	Oh, people are saying they're static on my line.
	I don't like to hear that in the chat.
	Anyone who wants to call, you can reach us at 623-242-CAST.
	That's 623-242-2278 or on Skype at the.Gabcast.
	And yeah, give us a call and let us know what you think is going on in the Bell Gab world.
	Again, I think that this can be the Royal Rumble edition.
	Pick your corner, give us what you think, and just let it all out there.
	Let's figure out what is happening.
	It seems like a very wild and confusing few days here recently.
	And look at that.
	We've got a caller already.
	All right.
	Maybe it's hard.
	Here we go.
	Caller here online.
	Hey, how are you?
	Hey, pretty good.
	Who is this?
	I really don't want to give my name.
	We'll call you the other redacted.
	Yeah, you know, actually, I'll tell you who I am.
	I'm the king of kings, the infamous king of kings.
	Wow.
	Hey, KK.
	I actually called you on your emergency gab cast, I don't know, like a month ago.
	You almost have an almost identical voice to MV.
	I couldn't figure out who was who.
	Oh, yeah.
	But anyway, yeah, you know, I don't know if we're going to talk about like Heather or Redacted.
	I'm actually feeling kind of sorry for the whole situation.
	You know, most of my hosts, as I'm sure the listeners are familiar with, are mostly just troll-level stuff.
	But when it gets to like specific personal attacks against Heather, it just seems really odd that people would target her who are longtime friends or veterans of Bellgab when it's obvious that regardless of how you think about Heather and what she's done, it seems like she's really been put in this crazy position by Arbell himself.
	And let me talk a little bit about that.
	Arbell has been around forums for like a long time.
	He knows about trolls.
	He knows about every dark part of the internet.
	And for Art to put Heather in that position when he knew that the backlash was probably going to be pretty much severe, yeah, musky bottoms too, whoever said that.
	I need that explained.
	What is a musky bottom?
	Because I'm out of the loophole.
	One time, there was a caller from like, I don't know, South Carolina or some hick guy.
	And I don't know exactly what he said, but he said he had saw an alien or something, or he saw something that scared him.
	And he happened to say, I guess because you can't swear on the show, he was like, gave me a little bit of musky bottoms.
	So then the next open lines, Heather got like 10 calls of people just saying musky bottoms.
	And she was getting kind of upset about it.
	She's like, there will be no more musky bottoms on this show.
	And then everybody called.
	Anyways, so my point about it is Art Bell knows what would happen to Heather in that position.
	He's seen that when Mike Siegel took the reins.
	He saw that when George Nori took the reins.
	For him to put her in that position, I don't know.
	I just think that she should be given a little bit more slack.
	That's just my own personal opinion.
	And that's coming from me.
	I actually talked to Heather a few times, like, or once during a Bell Gab read.
	And I don't know.
	It just seems like when it gets personal and vicious, it's, I don't know.
	That's just my opinion.
	Well, I got to jump in here.
	So, Kay Kings, speaking of personal, I think what is it that you find so appalling about Arbell that you've had to take upon yourself?
	Like, I've seen more threads filled with your, you know, let's just use the word mudslinging than I've ever seen.
	And what is it that you're so angry with Art about?
	I don't think I'm necessarily angry with Art.
	If you're talking about the mudslinging, where I kind of take the situation with a stalker, contrary to whatever anyone believes, that was actually my real opinion, given that situation that I saw.
	And that maybe Jesse might be me being skeptical about the situation.
	And the other ones, I talk about like when I said stuff about like Ramona going into the forest with Art.
	I don't want to say anything libelous.
	Is that what you're referring to or referring to about?
	Yeah, I mean, if you, you know, a lot of what you have said has, you know, fallen into the ranks of Dark Penguin.
	You know, you seem to have taken a line and put it pretty deep in the sand.
	And I, you know, I don't think it's a helpful situation.
	You know, I think that it's quite upsetting to a lot of people.
	You know, I don't get it.
	I don't understand it.
	Let me separate the two because on one hand, the comments I have about his stalker was not trolling.
	Those were just like an honest opinion.
	On the other hand, the stuff about him going into the forest with his ex-wife, Ramona, is a different, darker place.
	Yes, I understand.
	I understand why people would be put off of that.
	I think if we separate those two, there's one where I'm being honest and going into force is obviously a troll to rile people up.
	That's what I enjoy doing once in a while.
	Yeah, I don't have any more.
	So what do you want to see happen here?
	What's your end game here with your attacks on art?
	And I'll leave it at that.
	It'll be my last question.
	Like, what's your end game?
	Like, what do you want to see happen?
	What would you like to see happen in reference to Art Bell?
	To him personally or what my posts are trying to?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, like the whole, with the whole, the whole deal.
	What's going on?
	What's going on with him?
	You know, I asked you straight out to apologize to stop the whole MV thing going on.
	You know, I asked, hey, and, you know, I said, hey, just want you to just apologize for anything you may have said that was offensive to art, just to put it, nip it in the bud, and move on.
	I mean, do you think we all need this?
	I mean, that's just my overtake.
	I don't know if I'm speaking for whoever.
	I mean, I know everybody's angry about art and everything else, but you're grinding that wheel pretty hard, I think.
	Well, we've got someone else on the line here.
	Hold on just a second, guys.
	Who do we have on the line with us?
	Do we lose him?
	I think we just lost that person.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	Well, let me just answer that.
	So what I'd like to see is art come back on the air.
	I mean, I think that's, regardless of how you think, I'm a fan, I'd like to see art come back on the air.
	In the meantime, I don't mind, I don't see art as someone who is above approach or above someone to say mad things about.
	I guess I reckon it, I guess I put that in a similar vein that people have said mean things about George Norrie, which I don't like George Norrie, so you can say mean things about George Norris all day.
	I see that as almost identical posting.
	I guess I just don't see why I guess Art Bell, I somehow is trolling and someone like you is like, well, are you upset with Art Bell?
	I mean, this whole website was based on George Norrie sucking.
	So if we go with that line that people are voicing their discontent, yeah, I guess I have discontent with art constantly quitting or starting something and then quitting.
	And once again, he's starting something and now he's quitting for either real or make-believe.
	Other people decide that for themselves.
	But to criticize what I've been saying about Art Bell is kind of disingenuous with the whole history of the website in general.
	Well, the reason why is because you remember when everyone was trying to figure out what the issue was with MV and you said it was because of something you had said and Art was addressing that last.
	That specific thing was, I said, sci-fi author was like, he came into the thread of a headband listening thread and he was like, hey guys, I'm seeing some on-the-cuff, libelous things, and I'm not going to put up with it or something like that.
	And I was like, oh, libelist like this.
	And then I used an example that Art took offense to that he then privately messaged MV to take it down.
	But it wasn't libelous in the sense of I'm an expert.
	This is a fact.
	It was more of like, oh, libeless like this example.
	That's what the whole issue was.
	Yeah, and I mean, I know that MV didn't take it down because of what Art said.
	MV took it down because he had quite a few people that have been on the forum for a long time that thought it was pretty disgusting, actually.
	You know, I sit there, I've had you on Ignore for a long time.
	And this is gravity.
	I've had you on Ignore for a long time.
	And just because you keep posting the same shit over and over and over again, and it gets tiring.
	I know you're an intelligent guy.
	I've seen you posting the political thread.
	I know you got a brain, but when you just keep harping the same chord over and over and over, man, it just gets old.
	Yeah, what was the end game?
	I mean, did you have a point of view that you're trying to put across, and do you feel like it got out there, or was there some trolling involved?
	Like, what was your end game?
	Um, when I, well, when I first came on to uh, Bellgab, and I actually posted about this in one post, I actually was on Bellgab quite a few months ago, even before Art came back.
	Um, I don't remember my username because I think I might have gotten banned because I found some thread that was like, if you see Torrance or YouTube pirating going on, reported here, and I was just like, fuck, you guys are idiots, and I never really came back.
	So, I was actually on Bellgap a long time before.
	I actually, I honestly don't can't find that thread.
	I was trying to figure out who I was.
	Anyways, I don't really have an end game.
	I mean, when I first came over, it was specifically to troll people who were saying that Heather was great and this would go on.
	And they were easily easy people to troll because they were so loyal or passionate about the situation.
	Then it just kind of morphed into just, oh, I like the people here.
	I actually like Gravity Sucks.
	He can have me on a Gnonut site.
	Most of the people on here are reasonably intelligent and capable of carrying on a conversation, but there are still obviously some areas that I take to troll people that I don't really honestly have a true opinion about either way.
	I don't really have an endgame.
	I'm just posting on Bellgab.
	Well, okay, do you post on 4chan also?
	And if so, what's your, or how often are you posting there?
	People in the chat room are coming out with saying that you're a slash act.
	I probably post more on 4chan.
	I mean, I probably post more in Bellgab than 4chan.
	Usually I just lurk on 4chan because it's not something there's no people have a lack of information on what 4chan is.
	It's basically just this huge, huge board that is not like 99% of it is just like normal stuff.
	Like they have a thread on cooking, on sports, on automobiles, on photography, on music.
	And you don't have a username.
	You don't have avatars.
	You don't have personal messages.
	You don't know who's posting what.
	It's just completely and randomly anonymous.
	And mostly I just go to see what people are trolling or what are they doing.
	So when I get called a 4channer, it's kind of odd since it's saying.
	Hold on just a moment.
	We've got another caller here.
	Let's see who else we have who's joined in.
	I want to keep you, though.
	King of Kings.
	Carler, are you there?
	Yeah, is there a problem around here?
	Nothing that I know of.
	It's been just another normal day.
	It's a Gamcast.
	It feels normal to have you talking to me right now.
	Yeah, hearing your voice.
	That's very soothing there, man.
	How are you?
	Very good.
	How are you?
	Oh, my gosh.
	Oh, there's a lot of talk.
	A lot of talk these days.
	Well, I thought it was good.
	Yes.
	Yes, this is redacted with us.
	Is that Star Mountain?
	You called so many times.
	How are you?
	Glad you're back with us.
	I'm great.
	Even better now.
	So what's the good word on the street, guys?
	Well, drama, it sounds like, isn't it?
	You know, the good word is you got everybody riled up last night for sure.
	You didn't run out right into the woods.
	You didn't turn around.
	You was a vaz.
	No turning around.
	You went right into the dark forest last night.
	Sure.
	So what's all that about?
	So what's motivating you to There was a lie that was said, and I just wanted to say the truth.
	Okay, Curtis, you want to go ahead and lay down some ground rules?
	Yes.
	The one thing, Heather, that I want to point out is that we want to give you the space to say whatever you need to and your side of the situation, but will you take calls to afterwards?
	Sure, why not?
	Okay, and anyone else who has a point of view that might be conflicting with what's about to be said, call in too.
	And the same rule applies.
	We give a completely open board to say what you need to say, but we want to take calls after that.
	So do your worst.
	So I don't think anybody's here to do their worst worst.
	No, no.
	I'm actually pro Heather.
	So, I mean, that's where I stand.
	I think that King of Kings, are you still there?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think you're doing a really, you know, a really good job.
	I think you're definitely finding some bumps in the road, and it has not been easy.
	And, you know, you're dealing with a lot of people that are very upset, as you know.
	And they, you know, I guess everyone's trying to find the end game on all of it.
	You know, what's the end game going to be with Art?
	The end game with you.
	You know, if you're finding that you're having a lot of problems right now, you know, where people, you know, all the stuff that just went down last night, that, you know, it's going to rile everybody up to not take sides, but it seems that everybody is being pushed in a direction of taking a side.
	You know, if I stepped in just to say hello, that would cause a problem.
	For some reason, people seem to forget that I'm the same person I was months and months ago.
	I'm one of you, always have been.
	That has never changed.
	Seems like a lot of other people have changed, but I haven't.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yeah.
	I guess I'm going to ask you a question.
	Do you go to Bell Gab often just to lurk or not?
	How often do you go there?
	Oh, probably every two or three days just to see what people are up to.
	I don't pay attention to it as much as I used to.
	But then when I saw that, and this is a sore spot for probably a lot of people, but when I saw that Bateman said he had been offered the position to host, I thought, wow, that's an outright lie.
	I just want to say the truth.
	I was not hysterical.
	I was actually having a pretty good time last night watching everything get kicked up all over again.
	But what it was was, yeah.
	So Monday night, I called Bateman to rattle his cage.
	Sure.
	And I said, hey, man, they want a man on the air, so why don't you host the show?
	I knew he wasn't prepared and wasn't going to be able to do it.
	I flat out wanted to rattle the cage.
	So sue me.
	And then the official offer that was made was he could do his show live, Dark City Live, on the network to see what he could do.
	And then he declined that the night before.
	So that's what actually happened.
	So go ahead.
	Yeah, so let me ask you this.
	If, in fact, did Art and Keith lay that on you?
	Say, hey, they really want a man, or did you just kind of make that up to get Bateman's?
	Oh, I'd never make it up.
	I never wanted to play that card.
	You know, I feel about that.
	How do I feel about it?
	Well, I mean, dictating terms to you that they want to, you know, that you're not doing a good enough job and blah, blah, blah.
	We want a man in there.
	They don't say that.
	It was someone else that said that.
	Do I have to really name names?
	I wanted to be professional, but this is gravity, Heather.
	I know everybody.
	Hey, gravity, what's up?
	I know everybody wants details, but I really don't think it's good to be hashing out details of business stuff either on another on another show like this one or even in a forum.
	I really don't.
	I'll say this: it was someone on our team, not Art, not Keith, that told me directly nobody wants to hear a woman on late night talk radio.
	So I said, All right, I'll get you a man then and called Steve.
	And he's what?
	You're asking me to do the show tonight?
	What?
	And I said, Yeah, that's what happened to me.
	Come on.
	Okay, we've got another caller here.
	Let me see.
	Is this King of Kings?
	Are you back?
	Okay, all right.
	Looked like we lost you there for a second.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, but I knew that he wouldn't.
	And it was really, it was, it was really just to rattle up his cage.
	That's all it was.
	Just for the lulls, as they say.
	So, you know, the thing is, this is just an old guy sitting down here in Texas opinion.
	Midnight in the desert and Dark City both have a brand to protect.
	And when you guys start discussing stuff that was, you know, confidential business matters in the forum, man, nobody can win from that.
	It's a lose-lose situation.
	And I don't know.
	I told Bateman that when he posted stuff before you ever came in, Heather.
	And I told you, you know, I told you guys both the same thing.
	That I, man, that's just, you know, I know people, I mean, the threads blew up.
	People just loved reading all it.
	And I mean, people were, you know, popping popcorn and just waiting for it.
	But I don't know.
	I think that's.
	It's all right for everybody to say whatever they want except for me.
	No.
	No, not at all.
	That is not what I'm saying, Heather.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	Okay.
	No, I just want to say that.
	I think you should be able to post anything you want whenever you want.
	But I also think no one should take all the threads that serious either.
	You know, I think we're in a medium today that people can express themselves in such a fashion, but let's not take it too serious.
	Although I don't know what it's like to have your family, you know, threatened and thrown out and talked about in such a way.
	So I don't know what that would feel like for Art to react the way he did.
	But I think that the threads today, how important is all of it, really, in the scheme of things?
	Is anyone really paying attention?
	I don't know.
	It's a talk show, man.
	It's just a talk show where we talk about the paranormal at night.
	I had no idea it was going to turn into all this.
	We've got someone else on the line here.
	Our other caller here.
	Yes, Bateman.
	How's it going, Heather?
	Okay.
	What's up, man?
	Hey.
	So, really quick, mom and dad.
	Before we get started, mom and dad, I love you both.
	Well, the truth is the truth, and it deserves to be out.
	And if there is any issue.
	It sure does.
	It sure does because she, boy, is she trying to spin this.
	If you want the whole story, it's going to get into the gory details.
	If you want to get gory then, okay, so let's get gory Friday before, I get an email from Pete Eberhardt saying he's got an interesting proposition.
	And I thought, oh, okay.
	Who is Pete really thinking?
	He wants to sell the sales guy for art.
	Beats the sales guy from Midnight in the Desert.
	So I thought to myself, oh, he wants to sell ads for the show because clearly the show isn't selling as it is.
	I thought he's probably wanting to jump ship.
	He certainly wouldn't be the first.
	So I call him up and he says, here's what's going on.
	Heather is completely melting down, and I am really, really worried about how this is all going to play out.
	Pete wanted to keep his job.
	I mean, everybody wanted to keep this.
	And you can laugh all you want, Heather, but I mean, he told me he called me because you completely melted down on the phone with him, just as you had with me in the past, by the way.
	Do you recall the morning after Open Lines when you completely lost your shit until 6 o'clock in the morning?
	Do you remember that?
	I remember you counseling me on how to do a better show.
	You asked for advice.
	And I appreciated that.
	No.
	Oh, so how did everything change so much?
	Everything changed because they were looking for options, Heather.
	That was the word, okay?
	You weren't getting it done.
	You're still not getting it done.
	That's where this is coming from.
	So when you go on the message, go do the show tonight and throw down with his ears.
	See, okay, this is funny because this goes back to last Monday.
	All weekend, I'm thinking about this proposition of Pete's, and I talked to Keith, and this is all laid out for me.
	And I said, look, you know, Pete, I thought you were contacting me for something else entirely.
	I've got to think about this.
	It's like jumping onto the Titanic at this point.
	The live numbers are back down to like Jimmy Church numbers.
	What do I have to gain by doing this?
	So I talked numbers with Keith.
	The numbers weren't terrible, but I thought they can do better than this.
	So Monday night rolls around.
	At 11.30, by the way, she had called Pete apparently 15 minutes earlier to get feedback about how she was doing, and he gave her his honest opinion.
	She responded by saying he's no longer wanted at the organization.
	Who knew she even had the power to do that?
	Well, okay, so let's go ahead and try to break these down really quick, because you just said, what you said there was a statement.
	Heather, do you have that control to say Pete is gone?
	Yep.
	And is that a call you made?
	Not at that time, no.
	Oh, really?
	When was it?
	Oh, it was like Wednesday, wasn't it?
	Yeah, it was a couple days after one of your famous meltdowns.
	When you say famous meltdown, I can't help but think for mimic just the pressure of doing a show like the GAD cast is pressure to me.
	So I can pick up some flack for that, man.
	And totally.
	And look, this is why I was on the phone with her until 6 o'clock in the morning.
	I felt bad for her.
	I had always had a good rapport with her.
	I was happy to help with whatever she needed when she was producing for art.
	I was at her service, okay?
	Setting things up with Bachelor, working the cumulus deal from the inside.
	This was going so well.
	I had no problems with Heather whatsoever.
	Even after she took the gig that Friday night, I thought, wow, I don't know how this is going to work out, but I guess everything is up in smoke as far as art is concerned.
	And I just, at that point, I threw up my hands and I said, okay, you know, what can you say?
	After two years of art waiting out and non-compete, and then he's there for six months, gave great six months of radio.
	I know a lot of people were, or a lot of people after the fact were saying they didn't think his shows were that good.
	I thought his shows were fantastic.
	They were fine.
	Yeah, it was art enjoying himself.
	And you can find things to criticize for any show.
	Art shows were fine.
	And the guests were good.
	The point is, everything was rolling along smoothly.
	Sure, you had the drama with Leo Ashcraft.
	You had, you know, the stalker situation, this and that.
	Yeah, there was drama.
	But as far as the show was concerned, everything seemed to be chugging along nicely.
	And again, no problem with Heather until Monday night rolls around and she completely loses her shit on me.
	And she goes, oh, yeah, you want to do the show tonight?
	No, Heather, I don't want to do the show tonight.
	What the hell are you calling me like this for at 1130?
	Okay, so Heather, why did you make that?
	Why did you make that call to him?
	She said to rattle my cage.
	Well, it was.
	She didn't have any kind of a legitimate offer.
	She was just saying she was just trying to push buttons.
	And I wasn't going to deal with that shit.
	Nor will I now, Heather.
	So when you try to get on a public forum and spin your bullshit, yeah, I'm going to have something to say about it.
	Please explain to me what I have said anywhere that you find to be untrue.
	That you were offered officially the position of hosting.
	You were offered a chance to do your show live on the stream and see what we're doing.
	You're totally trying to spin this.
	You know damn well the reason they contacted me that weekend is because they were looking for options.
	What I didn't realize at the time, and by the way, Howard Hughes was contacted that same weekend, who also declined.
	Heather apparently didn't know that they were fishing over the weekend.
	So when she found out about this, she lost her shit.
	That's what happened.
	Well, okay, so respond to that, Heather.
	You've had the floor, Bateman, to set up the scenario of what we're talking about.
	Heather, respond to this.
	I knew they were looking, and so I thought, all right, you want to host the show, then host the show.
	Heather, at that point, I was really, really weighing my options.
	And I wasn't about to be goaded by some lunatic half an hour before a show is supposed to go on.
	You knew damn well it wasn't a legitimate offer.
	Yeah, let's keep it civil.
	Hey, she's like, I'm happy to keep it civil, and I wouldn't have said a damn thing were it not for her.
	You know, I'm losing track of fingers now to count how many meltdowns she's had and directing vitriol at me for why?
	Because Keith and Pete went looking for options.
	Somehow this is my fault.
	That's why I was totally flabbergasted.
	No, no, I said, hey, man, you know where I'm coming from is this.
	Put up or shut up.
	You want to host the show?
	Host it.
	Heather, when did I ever say, and I even told you that night, I don't know that I even want to host the show.
	It's Art's show.
	There were so many considerations.
	And I eventually ended up so much better.
	So do it.
	You're getting all passive aggressive.
	Why would I want to step into that organization?
	As Keith called Bell Gab a cesspool of shit, that's what the organization is.
	There is no organization.
	It's a disaster.
	I'm not stepping into that.
	And I'm glad I made that decision.
	My question is: my question, Heather, is why would you?
	We've got someone else on the line.
	Who is this who's on the line right now?
	All right, all right.
	Who is this that's joined?
	Oh, sorry.
	I was yelling at my dogs.
	Okay, so you guys there?
	We're going to move on.
	Call back in just a few minutes.
	Okay, so Heather.
	My question, Heather, was why would you put all this out there?
	Just as much as I question why Art put all that information out there of what went on in his life and with the stalkers and all that, and rather than just keeping it internal and trying to deal with that.
	You know, why are you putting this out there?
	I didn't put out there, whether I wanted it to be out there or not.
	It got put out there.
	So you run away?
	Why not just face it?
	Who put it out there?
	Baby, did you put it out?
	I didn't see anything on it.
	Not that I'm a big follower.
	Did anybody else see this information out there as far as what was going on?
	Put what out there?
	The stalker situation?
	No, no, no, no.
	The situation with you and Heather.
	I mean, it didn't say Howard again.
	Yeah, Howard Hughes about a week ago said that he declined an offer too, which is interesting.
	Maybe Heather couldn't get a hold of Howard, you know, at 4 a.m. time that night.
	So, you know, she took it out on me.
	What do you both consider?
	And I'll start with you, Bateman, the first salvo and whatever it is that's going on right now.
	What was the point where you felt that you had to clear the record?
	And then, same question to you, Heather.
	I wasn't going to say anything publicly other than I chose to cut ties with Dark Matter Network.
	I sent Keith a nice email explaining what the situation was.
	I posted that on Bellgab for people to read.
	So, you know, everything that happened from my perspective and everything that happened over the course of that week is out there for public consumption.
	So, again, for her to try to come and spin this is hilarious.
	And so, do you feel like you got a disproportionate reaction from what you put out?
	Oh, totally.
	Totally.
	Okay, so Heather, for you, where do you feel the opening salvo came?
	There were a lot of comments that Bateman could do a better job.
	So I thought, all right, Ben doing a better job.
	Other people, Heather, other people.
	Okay, so Heather, did you feel like that was external comments coming out, or was that internally inside the organization from either Bateman or someone else within the group that was saying it?
	Both.
	Okay.
	Especially when Peter said that Bateman could do a better job.
	So who am I to prevent that?
	So why do you blame me when they approach me?
	How is anybody?
	I'm not blaming you.
	I'm just opening the door.
	You want to host the show?
	Is that why you've gone just completely off the deep end, yelling at me on the phone to host the show?
	I was fucking flabbergasted when you made that phone call.
	I know you were.
	I love it.
	Go ahead.
	Let's start.
	Give Star a chance to ask a question here.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's not so much a question.
	It's a bit of an irony.
	I had experienced something similar on the micro scale to what's going on now.
	And a similar thing happened between someone who rents a room in my cousin's house and my cousin always taking sides with him.
	I had to decide I'm not going to involve anybody except the person who I'm dealing with.
	Just to make a long story short, there was kind of a truce, and now we're, well, not best friends, but at least we're getting along really well.
	And this guy is working to help me.
	He's cut back on his drinking.
	And it can be done.
	A peace can be made, but there's going to be a lot of effort having to go from both sides and not just between the two primary people, not bringing so-and-so in from here and so-and-so from there because they'll just stir it up to their own agenda.
	Leave everybody else out of it, you two, and you two settle it amongst yourselves, and it's nobody else's damn business.
	That's where I'm coming from.
	Is it okay if they seal whatever conversation with some drinks, though?
	Oh, sure.
	Okay.
	All right, nice.
	So within what you both have said as what you feel was the slight or opening salvo towards you, I also hear in this, Heather, that you're saying that you're fine with, even though there's been the talk internally about Bateman being a good host for it or a potential good host for it, you are cool with the idea of giving him that shot to do it.
	Or is that in jest?
	Why not?
	I don't want to fight.
	She admitted it was her intention to get me riled up.
	She's being totally disingenuous here.
	Yeah, because only disingenuous.
	Is there something wrong with having a little fun with you?
	Did you intend, though, to have the reaction?
	Yeah, there kind of is, Heather.
	Everybody's having a good time with me.
	I can't give any of it back.
	Not on your trail, they're not.
	Oh, okay.
	What you're saying there, Heather, about you're just trying to dish out what you feel like you're taking, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But do you feel like Bateman?
	Do you feel like Bateman is a correct target for it?
	So I asked you if you wanted to host the show.
	Did anybody die?
	No, it was just a phone call.
	And you said no and hung up.
	So bad.
	You're making yourself look so bad.
	You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
	This is why I left the entire situation.
	And I said very little about it because I didn't want to be drawn into the drama.
	You decided to go on this whirlwind of rage tour and just take down.
	I mean, do we even really need to get into the messages you've sent other people in the last 24 to 48 hours?
	You sent one message, one message to Sheffis to, because he said, oh, I paid for half of the Times Square ad.
	And I said, but I also offered to pay you back for that.
	And you said, that's not necessary to pay me back.
	So I said, I'll pay you back now.
	I'll pay you back double.
	That's the message I lead up to.
	Well, you know what?
	That's up to him to talk about, I guess.
	I don't know what's wrong with paying somebody back.
	What would it take for you guys to come to some kind of a truce here?
	Is there a truce?
	That's the other part of that.
	That's a good question.
	And is there a truce to be had or is it go your separate ways?
	Because Bateman has a good show that he does and it's got a following.
	Heather, you have your seat, and you have a good show that you're doing.
	So is there Bateman off the, I mean, you're off the Dark Matter digital network now, right?
	I mean, you've stated that publicly, Bateman.
	Yep.
	So is there a come together moment in this, or is this the end?
	I'm not interested in continuing these conversations.
	Like I said, I left the Dark Matter Network to get away from this nonsense because I didn't want the drama.
	After that Monday night phone call, I said, I'm washing my hands of this.
	There's too much drama.
	There's too much nonsense.
	Just, you know, enough.
	And she chose to dial it up about 10 notches.
	Do you see any possibility that she was just giving you a hard time and maybe you overreacted to it?
	No, not particularly.
	I said I wasn't interested in doing the show.
	I said, Heather, and she's admitting that it was totally disingenuous on her part.
	It wasn't a real offer.
	She was doing it to push buttons.
	There was a half an hour until showtime.
	She's melting down.
	She's trying to dump it in my lap.
	Not going to happen.
	And I'm taking myself out of this situation.
	That's what it came down to.
	But there was an offer right for your show to go live.
	That was something that was on the table as a separate conversation.
	Oh, sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Keith asked me, because I said I was going to do a live show of some sort that weekend.
	Keith said, you want to put it on dark matter?
	And I said, it's an interesting thought.
	And I thought better of that, too, because I thought, shit, people are going to think this is an audition.
	And I said, I'm not, I'm not dealing with this.
	And at that point, Heather didn't know.
	I said, I'm just, I can't, I can't.
	I'm happy, very happy with what my show is doing.
	You know, I don't need to get involved in Art Bell drama.
	Okay, and the reason you didn't want to, like, for you, the reason you don't want to host the show is couched completely in the fact that this was Arts, Arts gig?
	Or why is it you don't want to do this?
	Let's say perfect scenario.
	Art hasn't announced anything yet, and he comes to you and says, hey, I need someone to fill this seat.
	Will you be that person?
	Would you have taken it?
	At that point, yeah, I would have given it more consideration.
	Part of the problem was the fact that I didn't hear word one from Art throughout this whole thing.
	Well, I think the running theme is him not giving a lot of thought to PR and planning.
	Right.
	So it was a combination of the fact that I was, you know, I would be doing somebody else's show, which, you know, I'm not really comfortable with that idea anyway.
	Number two, you know, Keith and I had talked about, let's say somebody else is doing the show for a while.
	What happened in six months?
	Do you still call it midnight in the desert?
	What happens in a year?
	Are you still calling it midnight in the desert?
	If I'm hosting for a year, it's midnight in the desert from New York.
	It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
	I mean, that was just like one little logistical consideration.
	There was just too much uncertainty surrounding the entire thing.
	And as I said, if there's this much bullshit surrounding the situation right now, it's only going to get worse.
	I didn't know one phone call was going to cause so much trouble.
	What's that?
	I didn't know one phone call was going to cause so much trouble.
	I mean, we all joke around with each other.
	I mean, is it possible, Bateman, that you misinterpreted?
	Because it sounds to me that, I mean, Heather, from your soul, where were you really coming from?
	Was this just like a hey, you were just kind of having fun?
	I mean, I mean, where were you really coming from with this?
	I was just having fun with it.
	And I wasn't having a meltdown, by the way.
	I was just being very direct.
	And If Bateman would have said yes, then hey, I would have taken that seriously and maybe not host the show that night, but maybe put some wheels in motion.
	Look, listen, listen.
	So you're saying, yeah, let her finish.
	Listen.
	Let her finish.
	I want the show to be successful.
	If that means putting someone else in who's more qualified, let's do it.
	Then why get rid of Pete?
	Because how can he sell ads on a show that he doesn't believe in?
	If he's not behind me, what's the point?
	What about the affiliates who've dropped the show on mass?
	They didn't drop the show on mass, and I have someone else working on that.
	Okay, we've got someone else on the line here.
	Who's our caller?
	Hello, good evening, everyone.
	This is Sheffist.
	Hey, Sheffist.
	Hey.
	Hey, yeah, I just wanted to call in from a different perspective as a fan.
	And I started Bellgab back in April of 2015 just because art was coming back.
	And I'd lurked for off and on for a couple of years since Sirius and decided to join up.
	And then when the marketing campaign started, I, like a lot of people, just wanted to be a part of it, thought it was fun, and it was very interesting.
	And at the time, when I was going through this, just being a fan, I was truly convinced that there was an intention, a serious professional intention for art to remain on the radio for a while.
	I don't know how long.
	Some said one years, maybe five years.
	And that something like a quitting or a quittening was not going to happen like it did before.
	And so what I did is when we were, I don't know, a week or so ago, I just posted that I had helped pay for part of the Times Square ad.
	And this is during the buildup of Art Coming Back.
	Okay.
	Correct.
	And just like there were other fans on Bellgab that helped pay and other fan forms that helped pay for the Talkers Magazine ad.
	I don't know what other type of marketing initiatives that there may have been outside of it.
	But my point, number one, when I posted, I never mentioned anything negative about Heather.
	I actually didn't mention anything at all about Heather.
	All I wrote was I was disappointed in art quitting.
	That was the point of it.
	I said, you know, there were people out here that kind of fans put themselves out there to bring art back, get the word out.
	And I was disappointed.
	And then Heather sends me a couple of PMs, which I don't, I don't get PMs from Heather, so of course I looked at that.
	Rarely I do.
	And she said that she offered to pay me back.
	Now, I don't remember that.
	If she did, I believe her.
	I don't remember seeing that.
	But either way, it really wasn't, the point I was trying to make wasn't about the money spent.
	I was disappointed in what had happened in art quitting.
	That was my primary point.
	Yeah, okay.
	So, I mean, I was a part of, you know, plenty of the buildup stuff, too.
	And I didn't really.
	Actually, let's be clear.
	It was Curtis, your idea to do the press release in the first place, right?
	You suggested it.
	I picked it up and ran with it.
	I paid for it up front.
	And then people that wanted to pitch in pitched in.
	And then when I became producer, I said, all right, well, I will pay you folks back.
	And I was told, no, no, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	You don't have to pay us back.
	It's all good.
	When I saw Sheffist say, oh, well, I paid for half of that Times Square ad, and how horrible is that?
	And I'm so disappointed, I thought, wow, well, you didn't take me up on my offer to pay you back.
	I'll pay you back now.
	And I didn't realize that was also going to be a bad thing to pay somebody back.
	Well, and what I was going to say is that that to me, because I mean, I spent money on items and that too.
	And I wasn't investing in the show.
	I was promoting something I was excited for.
	So I never expected to have any.
	So I just want to be sure there on that because for a moment there, Chefist, it felt like you were.
	Saying that you were.
	You felt like you had invested in this and that's not the feeling I had going into it.
	So I just want to have you clear that up and say, yeah, did you expect to get paid?
	It's not about getting paid, I don't care and and I wrote Heather back that I don't care about getting my money back.
	I'm just saying that I was invested in it and I was disappointed that he quit.
	Yeah, so was I.
	I really don't like how this whole thing has gone down.
	I wish he would come back.
	I ask him every day if he'll come back, please.
	Well, why does it seem like you know the continual meltdown situation which opens up, like him going on and and supposedly emailing MV and bringing that up about?
	Let's not jump to that yet okay sorry no, you totally valid.
	I don't want to cut you off, but we still.
	We still have Bateman, and well, I was trying to get everybody's opinion on it.
	Cool, that's all.
	Whatever you want to do no we'll, we'll go back to that.
	I just want to to wrap this up.
	Keep me in line, bro.
	No no, keep it in line.
	Everyone can can say and do what they want to.
	Uh, that's not the problem.
	I just uh, I think that's a whole next topic.
	Uh, so so for the two of you uh, looking back at some of the, the trying to find where the, the origination of the current beef started, one of the things Bateman, that you had said in one of the posts was that you won't provide dirty details unless you're provoked and at that point you'd be happy to return.
	Fire is that?
	Was that when?
	Explain that what you were thinking behind that?
	Because it sounded like you were were announcing your leave referring yeah, that was referring to the monday night phone call.
	I thought, if that if, if she was that crazy, then I thought, oh god, I can only imagine how this is gonna, how this is gonna play out.
	So yeah, it seemed like there was a lot of stuff happening that night.
	Yeah, monday night yeah, I guess.
	So yeah, was that a bad night for everyone?
	Let's all agree to that.
	Yes, and poor Bill Burns, I mean.
	Well, I mean we're I, I guess.
	Uh, you know, I don't want to don't talk about the business stuff, but it sounds like that everybody that's on the phone right now got got.
	The situation was set up by discussions that happened by other people over the weekend that were trying to go ahead and work things behind the scenes to make changes, and then it seems like the people that really caused the problem aren't even on the phone.
	You.
	Yeah, that is kind of what it comes down to.
	Yeah, I mean, the people who are responsible for setting all of this up basically are not on the phone.
	And that's what I said to Heather on that monday night call too.
	I said you've got to get on the phone with Pete and Keith and, most importantly, Art and hash this out.
	I don't want to be involved.
	And she chose to keep pushing buttons.
	So okay, so that's a good point to, to move on, unless there's anything else Bateman or Heather you want to say to either close the door on on the issue and Mom and dad are back together and I don't have to cry myself to sleep tonight, or you know the door about you guys going on before.
	The altercation took place back in the Gabcast days, when you were still hosting Gabcast uh Heather, you had um Dark City on or the, even the shows before that.
	Can't we kind of remember what it was like back then?
	Can't we use some of that energy to put in to now?
	I know I remember doing uh Gabcast with Bateman and we had a hell of a time and I just thought we could have a sense of humor about it, because I have sense of humor about the whole situation.
	Uh, if I were to buy into all the pressure it would drive me crazy.
	But no, i'm not melting down, do I sound like i'm melting down?
	Well, if this is a meltdown, then I need to take more medication, because I don't sound that that calm.
	So so, showroom dummy, there's something unbelievingly funny here.
	I don't know what that is.
	Showroom dummy, the floor is yours now to ask your very valid question.
	Oh no, I forgot what the question was.
	Now it's a no, okay with the question, the.
	So basically, it goes back to uh, a lot of the, a lot of the muck and suck that's going on with how Art has been reacting to things that are being said in the thread.
	You know, and this uh thing that came up the last couple of days with him emailing MV about, you know, i'm going to sue if you, if you don't knock certain people off the, off the Bell Gap threat.
	You know Bell Gap site and and you know what's all I mean, why bring all this attention on a constant level and and it just seems to just get everybody so riled up like yeah right yeah, I mean, and I don't look.
	Art is an incredible, an incredible radio personality person.
	However you want to look at it for the last 25 years, he's incredible and I feel the world needs his voice.
	A lot of people I put that up people started, you know, bashing me.
	Oh, I agree with you, it does.
	You know.
	We need him back and like, what's it gonna take to try to make that happen before this hole, as Bateman calls it, the Titanic sinks?
	Well, enough time has to go by until he feels comfortable to come on the air, and it has to be unannounced.
	But if getting a better host on the show is what the show needs, well then let's do that.
	Let's not dance around with it, let's just do that.
	So the question is in that because that's uh, that it ends up hanging out there who would be the better host if not you?
	I mean, you've been sitting there now for how many days do you?
	Do you even know at this point how many days it's been?
	Uh, since december 11th?
	Yeah, i'm guessing time goes a lot slower for you, or faster, I guess.
	40 days today Yeah, 40 days.
	Okay.
	So is there someone out there that you think would fit well in that seat until he comes back?
	Oh, well, a lot of people voted for Bateman.
	So that's why I thought, well, let's just face that head on and make the call.
	And jokingly but seriously, you know, I see a lot of people in the chat room.
	Well, she's joking, but she's serious.
	What the hell is going on here?
	Yeah.
	Is there something wrong with that?
	Yeah.
	So jokingly but seriously, would you just go ahead and host the show?
	Everybody wants you to, so why not do it, man?
	And yeah, maybe I wanted to have a little fun with it.
	Yeah, well, we're talking in circles at this point, which is, by the way, why I hung up on you that night.
	So, you know, I think I've said all that needs to be said.
	Well, I think the question information is out there at this point.
	The question's been answered.
	You want to be independent and do your own show, and you do a very good show.
	So, the question's been answered.
	He does.
	Yeah.
	That's all it comes down to.
	And that's all I would have said.
	And that's all I would have said, Heather.
	Everybody keeps reiterating a point on the thread here saying that to ask Heather one more time if she, not that she can speak for Art, but why Art threatened a suit against MV, having Bell Gab be such a fundamental part of helping to bring, as you have all said tonight, bring Art Bell back.
	Why would he single MV out and his diaper money to have a censored thread in essence?
	Why is he doing this, Heather?
	I think that was another thing, maybe blown a little out of proportion.
	There was a libelist statement made, a libelist post made, and Art wanted that taken down.
	And it was taken down.
	Yeah, that whole situation, did you know that he had kind of made a veiled comment to MV about that?
	Or was it news to you?
	No, I knew about it.
	Maybe MV can call into his own show.
	Let's hit that head on then.
	Let's hit that head on.
	So is it okay to call people murderers on the forum?
	No.
	So I'm going to get on and I'm going to say, Curtis, you know what?
	You killed someone.
	How does that sit?
	Oh, no.
	Is that okay?
	I totally get on there and call people murderers.
	I understand that, how annoying and frustrating that would be to see it, but there's been so many things said on Bell Gab over the last 40 days, I guess, that are ridiculous that shuts off a whole part of it to me anyway.
	And Art knows that better than I do because he's been up against it for a long time.
	I can understand him being very annoyed about that statement and going after it headfirst.
	We've got someone else on the line here that has a beeping in the background, the 404 area code.
	I'll let you talk here in just a moment.
	But with that, I was surprised to see that that was the approach he took was to go to MV and say because that's libel.
	It's one thing to say someone is a bad host or whatever about them, but then when you call that public figure a murderer, that crosses into different territory.
	And to be fair, I've not seen whatever comment was made.
	Well, the post that was made said that Art killed Lamona.
	All right.
	That's what that's what it implied.
	It read a lot differently than that.
	I saw the post.
	It's been deleted now, but I did see the post.
	Somebody challenged him on something he said.
	He said, what I said wasn't libelous.
	A libelous statement would be something like this.
	And then what he put down was, I mean, it could have been inferred that Art had done something wrong, but it would never have reached the bar.
	Was it a proper statement?
	No.
	The guys already apologized for it.
	He was on the line.
	All right.
	Well, I want to address something else because people are bringing up that I said bad things about George Norrie.
	And you know what?
	I am not the only person to say bad things about George Nori.
	It was fine when I was in there doing that with everybody else.
	And now all of a sudden it's not.
	Yeah, I do feel like there's a I never called him a murderer.
	I never said anything libelous about him.
	So why am I singled out as the only person who said bad things about George Nori now?
	And wow, everybody takes this whole thing.
	You're still in the air.
	That's why you're doing a radio show and people are singled out, not because, and I do agree, I feel George Nori does suck, and I agree with that 100%.
	Ding, ding.
	How dare you say that?
	How dare you say he suck?
	Oh my gosh.
	I can't believe it.
	I just cannot believe this.
	Well, you know, the point that you become a lightning rod and unfairly joking and just comments that are in the flow of a forum shouldn't be used against you like that.
	It's not right.
	And going back to art and like his whole point of view, I understand why he wouldn't want to be a part of Bellgab anymore.
	Like the day that I saw the post that he recognized that he wasn't wanted there anymore was really, it was a sad day for me because I remember how excited everybody was to have him join the forum and be a part of it.
	So to watch him get tar and feathered basically and kicked out of the forum or pushed out by the people who are trolling, it was sad.
	I wish that he had maintained a hard line of his approach to it.
	That would make me feel better, but I can't control and it's not my place.
	I guess ultimately it's not my forum and it wouldn't be as successful if it was my forum because I would do it differently.
	And two, it is what it is.
	We all know what Belgab is and Art is the one who labeled it as vaguely lovable and that that lovable part is probably gone in relation to art at this point.
	So now we're just vaguely.
	Well, another point I want to make is that I'm not asking anyone to like me.
	I'm not asking anyone to be a fan.
	I'm not asking anyone to listen.
	I'm there.
	You know, I haven't gone out and said, oh, you can't say this or that about me.
	Say, you know, I'm not going to stop anyone.
	It's all right.
	So I suck as a host.
	Go post it a hundred times.
	All right.
	I'll still go on tomorrow night.
	I go on every night, people telling me that I should not be there.
	I have no skills.
	I have heard about 3,000 different opinions.
	And I still go on every night.
	If someone else needs to be hosting the show, hey, let's get that person.
	Otherwise, I'm going on.
	I don't know what else to say.
	Okay.
	Bateman, are you still there?
	Yeah, do you have any?
	Do you have anything else you want to add or anyone to cut you loose here?
	Yeah, no, I think we're just going around in circles.
	Okay.
	What I want to do, if you don't mind going forward, Heather, do you mind taking a few calls?
	And Bateman, if you want to be a part of that too, you can.
	It's totally your call.
	I'm going to leave it up to you.
	Okay.
	Okay, cool.
	I see it looks like White Crow is trying to call, but we're having issues here.
	Let me see if I can get him back.
	Anyone else?
	We had multiple people who were trying to call just a moment ago that couldn't get connected.
	Baby, let me ask you a quick question in the interim of that.
	But, you know, so what would you like if you had a magic wand right now and you can make some incredible suggestions, what would that be?
	What would that be?
	Like, seriously, here's your form.
	Like, how do we save or what would what's your what would you like to see happen?
	For Midnight in the Desert specifically?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I would have, I would have said put John B. Wells in there, former coast host.
	He's apparently got a friendly rapport with art.
	You know, he's already doing a show at that time of night.
	Apparently, he, you know, he had moved from doing middays to later at night.
	That, to me, would have been a pretty logical thing to do.
	Hell, even talk to Ian Punnett.
	He's apparently talking about doing a podcast.
	So it seems to me that there were options.
	But, you know, lucky for me, this is out of my hands and I want it to be out of my hands.
	But to have people specifically Heather coming and attacking me because people within her organization were looking for options, as they put it.
	You know, it's just totally misdirected anger.
	But again, you know, I don't know.
	I don't know that I don't know what can be done at this point.
	You know, I mean, hopefully Heather can make it work.
	I don't, a lot of it, or probably 90% of it, hinges on what art's going to do.
	And that seems to be a mystery to all of us.
	Yeah, you know what?
	Why can't, you know, why?
	Can you get art on tonight, Heather, just for 15 minutes to cool everybody's jets?
	I mean, they've been talking about it in the threads tonight.
	Since you've got the power to be, since you've got his ear.
	I've got his ear, but I can't control him.
	Nobody can.
	I ask him every day.
	I'm not saying control.
	I'm saying ask.
	Ask.
	Well, I'll ask.
	I'll ask.
	I'll ask again.
	I've already asked once today.
	I'll ask again.
	You know, from what I've heard with you talking with Bateman, it seems to me like you got people working in the background that are working things and you're under a lot of pressure and they put you in a bad situation.
	And I can understand your frustrations and making that phone call a half an hour before the show.
	And you've had it tough for the last month, girl.
	I think you've been doing, I think you've been getting better every night.
	I wish her the best.
	I want to see you succeed to keep the show going.
	I want an option.
	I want something to listen to besides Coast to Coast.
	That's true.
	We have something to listen to other than Coast to Coast.
	It has to get defined.
	Art has to come back and define what's going on.
	It's been 40 days.
	You got to make a decision.
	And I said it in one of my posts.
	Long John Neville out of New York, who I consider probably one of the greatest radio people, he had enormous amount of death threats and such.
	And, you know, I just, there's got to be a way.
	There just has to be a way to work this out.
	That's my gut on it.
	Yeah, I hope we can figure that out.
	Nice to say, Showroom Dummy.
	You need your own podcast.
	You've got the voice for it.
	Yes, he does.
	What you do.
	As I'm listening to you there, I just couldn't help but have to just blurt out my stream of conscious thoughts.
	Well, thank you, man.
	That's, you know, well, I actually, you know, I actually do a radio show out of New York.
	So this is just, I'm just a ringer in here, just hanging.
	Wait, did you call into art?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I knew I recognized your voice by what I was saying.
	I had Richard Hogan on back in 91 and 92 until I realized, you know, he was kind of, you know, I love him, but he's, he's, I told him he's back crazy.
	So, you know, and I still do my show, and I just, but I love, I absolutely love Art Bell.
	I mean, you know, just as much as everybody else does.
	And he is, and I would, you know, do whatever it would take to push him and prod him to come back and work it out.
	And that's, and that's what I'm doing.
	That's, that's why I'm here, you know.
	And actually, the other thing is what I find incredibly fascinating these days, and I'm not trying to take up the form here talking, but is that we're in a different medium now where, and I was telling this to Gravity Sucks, that, you know, there's a, there's a pot.
	There's a pot.
	Hold on.
	Sorry, hold on just a second.
	White Crow, you're on, but you're on.
	You've got feedback from you.
	Yeah, I'll turn it down.
	Okay.
	Just Hoagie.
	Yeah, sorry to take away your thunder, White Crow.
	I want to hear what Showroom was saying there, though.
	So anyway, I'll wrap it up real quick, but basically, it's incredible now that we can have a thread going on where we used to listen to Art Bell's show or Coast to Coast or whatever.
	We would be by ourselves or just, you know, whatever, listening to radio.
	Now, we're all this little group together of how many people, 100 people in this kind of chat room thing, and we're going along as the show's going on and people are commenting.
	And it's this whole symbiotic experience now that's incredible.
	I mean, people are making jokes and people are commenting and the phone is ringing and Heather tells the guy to stop breathing and he's breathing into the, you know, or the guy's talking too much, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
	So it's just, we're in an incredible time right now.
	And that's why I feel having art available to us is incredible.
	And that's what I'd like to see happen.
	Yeah, that's a great, great comment.
	I totally agree with you.
	I remember listening to art back in the 90s on my radio.
	And he said, God, one of these days, there's got to be a setup like we have right now.
	Yep.
	White Crow, what do you have to say?
	This is White Crow.
	This is White Crow.
	Thank you.
	This podcast is over now.
	Thank you.
	Yep.
	And out special awards of excellency tonight for Mr. Bateman for his lonesome roads meltdown impersonation.
	Look that one up, face.
	And for Heather for Liza Doolittle.
	Very good.
	Excellent.
	Excellent show tonight.
	Really enjoyed it.
	The award will be a white crow autographed hoodie.
	Send your size, PMU size to me, and I'll try to get it right out to you.
	Oh, this is a ploy to get their addresses, isn't it?
	I know you.
	No, no, I said send the size.
	I didn't say, I didn't request address.
	Okay, you already know that, right?
	White Crow knows a lot.
	You do.
	You're scarier than the men in black.
	But when you show up, we all know just to be quiet, play the game safe.
	Don't make White Crow mad.
	And for the co-host, also, you win too for remaining quiet and reserved and let those two go at it.
	I wasn't sure quite who was winning and losing, but it sure was fun to listen to.
	Do you ever have one of those conversations when you realize at the end of it that there wasn't a winner?
	I mean, for entertainment purposes, maybe there was a we all won from there just to get to hear, but at the same time, we all lost too.
	We lose.
	I know how it is to be a loser always every night with my wife.
	That's coming from a man who's been married.
	Okay.
	Very good.
	Thank you, boys.
	Thank you.
	Heather, adore you.
	Thank you.
	Good night.
	See you a crow.
	Thank you, sir.
	Bye, Walter.
	Blessings.
	Bye.
	Okay, I feel like we are running out of steam here.
	So you guys, my fellow co-hosts, I'm sorry that we haven't kind of pushed this back and forth more.
	Do you have anything you want to say?
	Any questions, comments?
	What are you going to be talking about?
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead, Star.
	I love you both.
	Like Curtis said, we can't have mom and dad funning, but things will work out.
	Give it time.
	Other than that, I wish you both the best.
	Okay, gravity.
	Yeah, I just, I mean, I don't want you guys tarnishing either of your brands.
	I want to, you know, hopefully you guys can find a way to move forward.
	And, yeah, I want you both to be successful.
	I told you both that, and I told you both.
	I think I've been honest with both of y'all in telling you how I felt about what was going on.
	And so I'll just leave it at that.
	A second thought, too.
	And Jason, I subscribe to both of you, and I will continue to do so as long as you keep going.
	So my subscriptions back up what I say.
	I love you both.
	Thank you.
	509, you're on the air.
	Yeah, I wonder why Heather won't allow the singing of Nego Slave Spirituals on air.
	No singing on the program is a rule Art has had for a long time.
	Just trying to.
	But this is your chance.
	Sing for us.
	Give us your best one.
	On the GabCast, I don't think they have that rule.
	Yeah, I actually threw that out there.
	I threw it out there.
	Mama, it must have gone to sell us.
	Enjoy ya.
	All right, everybody, rate that.
	Are we sending them to Hollywood?
	Wow.
	I need some votes here.
	I have a question.
	Just for Heather.
	I actually, I mean, I don't know.
	When you get prank calls like the Musky Bottom Night, like, did that really rattle your cage to use that expression?
	Not really, no.
	Oh, okay.
	I wasn't sure.
	But you should just roll with it.
	It's all in fun.
	Yep, I am.
	Okay.
	I'm just really.
	I have no idea where that came from.
	I mean, the thing is, though, you have to be true to your advertisers, too.
	You can't let that stuff go on too much.
	You got to be able to just pull a plug on this stuff.
	Yeah, I mean, funny thing about that, actually.
	You guys will probably get a kick out of this.
	So I went to the tune-in chat room where that came from, and I found the ringleader there.
	And I said, hey, man, here's a deal for you.
	Why don't you call in on Friday night open lines?
	And I'll interview you.
	And you can tell me what the troll's life is like.
	All right.
	So he said, oh, you're not really going to do that.
	This isn't the real Heather.
	Oh, why would you be in here offering me that?
	And I said, well, call in Friday night open lines and we'll find out.
	And it was a serious offer.
	And I said, all right, I'll make a deal with you.
	I'll interview you.
	And then we'll get all this out in the open.
	And he who hangs up first loses and forever holds his peace.
	And the guy went, all right, it's a deal.
	You're on.
	So then last Friday night, he calls and he puts on his southern voice.
	Oh, hi, this is Miss Peaches.
	I'm calling in with my mushy bottom, whatever.
	And then I was just about to ask him, oh, right, because you're the troll.
	Well, welcome to the show and let's interview.
	You know, let me talk to you and interview make good on the promise I made.
	And he hung up.
	So then he calls back and I pick up the phone during the break and I said, man, it's one call per show.
	You lost your shot.
	And he goes, oh, you're not going to be like that.
	Are you?
	Oh, man.
	Oh, man.
	Well, you lost out.
	Sorry.
	And then he never called back.
	So you got your shot.
	You got to take it when it's there because it's not going to be there the next time.
	I mean, like, we've always on like the level of podcasting when we've done gab casts, there's a level of trolling that happens on it that we just have to roll with and have fun with it.
	And we can because we don't have advertisers.
	It's not a business.
	I mean, MV, it's a business for him.
	We just did it for fun, right?
	Nobody paid us to do a gabcast.
	We just did that for kicks and for a good time.
	And you are not getting paid for this?
	Well, you are, but it's.
	What?
	Well, I hear that if you do really well and you study really hard, MV just might send you a bag of Skittles and a vanilla Coke.
	I heard.
	I heard about that.
	This is a rumor that I was told that everyone who participated in this show as a host or a caller automatically got upgraded to troll mode on Bell Gab.
	But, you know, I don't know who you email about that or who you post.
	Turbo mode.
	Turbo, turbo mode.
	No, troll, troll mode.
	It's a totally different mode that you can, you just, I don't even know what it does.
	I haven't, it's never been unlocked for me.
	Wow.
	So, gosh, there's, there's a lot going on in the chat room about I should make the show my own.
	Well, I want to address that.
	You know, I'm sitting in just keeping the show active until art can come back.
	And it's a great honor.
	Now, I know a lot of people are saying that everything I'm saying right now tonight is a whole bunch of crap.
	Okay, fine.
	But in honor of doing the show, yes, I'm keeping the intro the same.
	I pick from Arts Bumper music list.
	Yeah, I'm keeping the structure of the show exactly as Art set it up so that when he comes back, it's exactly the way he left it.
	I'm house sitting for him.
	I'm not changing the drapes around.
	Is that a crime?
	Heather, let me ask you.
	So putting my question hat on.
	So what have you learned about yourself in the last recently that you'd like to share with us in the last 30 days from doing all this?
	What have you learned about yourself?
	Oh, I think I can take a whole lot more crap than I thought I could.
	I think I can roll with a lot more punches than I thought I could because believe me, they come every day.
	And what would you like to see happen with you?
	And you'd like to go back to being a producer?
	Are you also producing your own show as well?
	Are you doing that?
	You're doing both hats?
	Yes, sir.
	That's really tough, you know.
	Because are you still doing pre-interviews with the guests?
	Yes, sir.
	So that kind of, you know, I find that I've always found that hard to do that.
	You know, because then you can't, you almost, you start a rapport with them and then it gets tough.
	I mean, Bateman, do you do the same thing?
	Or is that, do you, do you also do pre-interviews with the guests or you have someone else do that?
	Yeah, no, I do that myself.
	But you've got a producer as a starting up too, right, right, Steve?
	Yeah, he's looking for me now, which is a huge, huge help.
	You know, honestly, like, it's, it's such a pain in the ass.
	I never enjoyed that part of producing.
	You know, because you ask somebody if they can do Friday, you don't hear back from them until Wednesday.
	And at that point, you've already booked somebody else for Friday.
	So, you know, what are you going to do with the first guest?
	You've got to put him somewhere else.
	It's like, you know, you're constantly just working a huge puzzle.
	And you have no idea what the end picture looks like.
	Yeah, sometimes.
	Sure, yeah.
	I mean, that's a job in itself.
	So basically, Heather, you're doing this.
	You're not really, so you're not really getting paid.
	I mean, I'm not trying to get in your business, but basically you're doing two jobs.
	I'm being very well compensated.
	Oh.
	Well, that's good to hear.
	That's good to hear.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's the silver lining then that it is a job.
	Let me see.
	We might have another caller here.
	509, you're on.
	Yeah, can we ask Heather?
	She had just talked about bumper music.
	I think someone brought up either online or in the forum about playing Black Sabbath, and she commented, said that was her favorite band, if I'm remembering that right.
	Why can't you go outside of Art's comfort zone of bumper music and put a few of your own songs in there?
	It doesn't have to be Black Sabbath, but something that would play to your personality or musical interest.
	I just don't want to.
	I want to keep all Art's bumper music in there as a not of respect to him for doing his show.
	Well, and so go ahead, caller.
	I was just going to ask another question.
	When you read the Heather Waite listening thread, do you take any of that seriously?
	Ignore the trolls, do you look at the thread as a focus group, like what you're doing right, what you're doing wrong?
	No, it's all a big joke.
	I don't take much of it serious at all.
	Well, I think that'd be fair for I'll step in for that one.
	The moment that you take anything that's said on the forums as your focus group, then you're in trouble because you've got to do your show.
	And if Heather's show is filling in the seat right now for art, then that's what she's doing.
	Just like Bateman does his show and he doesn't need the feedback.
	I mean, it's probably great to have threads to interact with, find out what's working and not, but not as a focus group, just as an after-the-fact.
	Did you like that?
	And so Dark City is Bateman's show, and the Gabcast is whoever's sitting in this seat's show.
	If I were to go back and look at what's said, you know, the Gabcast, you know, to critique every mistake I made during this episode, I'd go crazy too.
	So like what Heather said, it's just, it is what it is.
	I don't know, Curtis.
	I really doubt your skills, and I think you need another host.
	Well, I heard the other guy who'll sit in this seat, he's just got a big ego.
	So I think just to protect the listeners, I might just take this seat going forward.
	But I'm joking with you, man.
	I know.
	I'm just joking with you.
	Sorry, that's someone calling me.
	They're sorry about the phone.
	You're going to see phone all over the thread now.
	Yeah, no doubt.
	No doubt.
	Really, it doesn't matter what I say.
	It's all going to be misinterpreted.
	It doesn't matter what kind of mood I show up in.
	It's going to be, well, she's just lost her mind.
	She's hysterical.
	She's having a meltdown.
	Actually, no, I'm not having a meltdown at all.
	I'm trying to have a good time with this.
	And I wonder why that's not acceptable.
	Well, there's nothing you could do right at this point.
	I mean, to be honest, there's not.
	I mean, you're in a position of guaranteed.
	I mean, everything you do is going to be critiqued so much.
	I mean, I like you as a person I've done podcasts with.
	We've done multiple these now.
	We've talked over time.
	I like you as a person.
	And I recognize that anything you say is going to be taken apart for so many different reasons because there's a whole group of people who wouldn't do what you're doing and a whole other group of people who would do it in a heartbeat if they could.
	So two different forms of frustration that they're not you come into play on it.
	And so you're going to get ripped apart no matter what you do.
	And so it's got to be frustrating.
	A little bit, but like I said, mostly it's just amusing.
	Yeah, well, you got to have fun with it.
	I get that too.
	Caller, anything else?
	I have to, yeah, I actually have just two quick questions.
	One is who's producing your show?
	And back to what Bateman kind of said, at what point during, say, like this coming year will become evident that the show is more yours?
	Like at what point, I mean, how many months go by before you start successful, start creating, you know, Heather Wade's wherever you are in America show instead of just having the namesake of art?
	Like, you see a future or you foresee that possibility that you'll just be the permanent host in this spot.
	And so what's the time?
	Let's take that first one.
	She said she's doing the producing for it.
	But I think once that moment comes that you make the show your own, it should be redacted in America.
	That's the name.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	Yeah.
	And Heather, how do you want to respond to that?
	There you go.
	Redacted, redacted, redacted.
	Make the name whatever you want.
	No, it's Midnight in the Desert and it's our show.
	And Dancing Queen will be played as bumper music from now until the end of time.
	Sorry.
	Let's hear some Sabbath tonight, though.
	Let's hear some Sabbath tonight.
	Nope.
	Never going to do it.
	Southern Cross.
	What's that?
	Southern Cross.
	I know he used to play it way back when.
	It should be in his list.
	He used to play it.
	Well, any bumpers that I pick that I'd like to add to the mix, I always run those past art first and see him.
	Little Chris asked, would you interview Falky?
	Okay, this podcast's done.
	No, I'm joking.
	Go ahead.
	Wait, what?
	Okay, so you said for as much as Lil Chris adds color to the chat room, I don't think he was serious in that question.
	Yeah, right.
	Falky has a really comfortable, great position already with the Coast to Coast crew.
	So I don't think he would jeopardize his position there.
	That's true.
	Well, there's a comment from Coaster.
	No other host in radio history has been criticized before head is a victim.
	No, Matt, have at it.
	Criticize me.
	Matt, knock yourself out.
	You know, you were saying that Art.
	Does Art somehow participate in the live show behind the scenes, like while you're on air?
	Like giving you questions to ask or something or helping you, not to do any help, but is he a little more involved?
	No.
	No, he'll help me with preparation and I'll run guest ideas past him and he'll give me coaching and tips and that sort of thing.
	But once we hit and go live, that's all me, for better or for worse.
	Does he want to come back?
	Does he want to come back?
	Sure, yeah, he does.
	100%.
	All chips in.
	Yeah.
	Does Art recognize the damage that was done by the way he stepped away from the mic?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And does he feel like it's a bridge he can cross to resolve it?
	Well, put yourself in his place.
	You've got your family, which you love.
	You've got your radio show, which you love.
	Doing your radio show now, but family in danger.
	We don't know who is doing this.
	We don't know who it is.
	And so he decided his family.
	I mean, try to decide between two things that you love.
	Oh, family wins.
	Oh, yeah, definitely.
	Yeah, I wouldn't question that part of it.
	I mean more of the reaction afterwards.
	And of course, we all have a built-in reaction to hearing the combination of art, Bell quits, anything.
	Whether he says the word quit or not, there's built-in issues that come along with that that he has to recognize and see that whether he meant to say that or meant to imply that, it was going to cause a backlash because of all the things that have happened, which he's got valid reasons for.
	I'm not questioning the reasons.
	I'm questioning more of the PR that comes along after you say it, where you don't filter what you're going to say.
	That was in the heat of the moment, and no one's ever going to let him hear the end of it.
	I've got a question for you.
	A year ago, Art, his big deal was, I just want to do an internet streaming show.
	I want it to be free.
	I want to be able to get it out there and supported by subscribers for the archives.
	And then it seemed like sometime in the summer, as affiliates started signing up, a lot of the emphasis started going to be, you know, switching to the satellite downlink so that they could go after deals like with Cumulus and that.
	And now those bridges are probably burned because of the way that he dropped out.
	Do you think he would be satisfied coming back and just doing the internet and not worrying about the radio affiliates again?
	Like I said, affiliates are being handled by somebody else, so we're still working on that.
	But sure, he'd come back, affiliates or not.
	Okay.
	That's a good question.
	Go ahead.
	Hoagie had mentioned on his last show that there were some issues going down with him in reference to the network.
	Are you privy to anything that's going on with him?
	Is he going to continue?
	Is Art and him talking?
	Or is that still the bad blood from what we've read?
	Hoagland does his show, and I hope he's successful at it.
	There's nobody talking about taking him off the air.
	Is Art and him have they made up?
	Are they they need to come on the show and talk here too?
	Maybe I think that's between Art and Richard.
	I can't speak for them.
	If you could set that up for us, I think the four of us, you know, we might not be owning in our ability to calm down situations, but we would be more than happy to take a stab at it.
	Okay.
	On that note, anything else?
	I'm going to close the doors on this thing.
	Call it a night.
	All right.
	Well, thanks for letting me join in.
	I'm just wanting to come and hang out with my friends one more time.
	Well, we appreciate it.
	Maybe kind of try to figure out if I still have any friends around here.
	I'm not sure.
	You do.
	You've got plenty.
	Trust me.
	You've got two or three here right now.
	I mean, I hope both of you.
	Co-hosting here right now.
	I mean, I hope both of you leave here tonight.
	No one.
	I think you've been treated fairly.
	I don't think we asked you any gotcha questions or anything like that.
	Go ahead and get me.
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	Well, I do want to ask a gotcha question.
	I want to got the both of you to be friendly and happy.
	That's what I want to get.
	Anyway, since my friends.
	I'm all for that.
	Sure.
	I'm all for that.
	I don't have a problem with Bateman.
	If he wants to be friends, I'm all for that.
	It's up to him.
	We didn't put you to sleep, did we, Bateman?
	No, no, I'm here.
	I just, you know, there's just a disconnect between what's said privately and what's being said publicly for an audience.
	So, you know, Heather, I thought I helped you to the best of my ability.
	You know, I thought I was a friend.
	Like I said, I wouldn't have stayed on the phone with you till late at night after some of your more stressful nights if I had any ill will of any kind towards you.
	So, you know, I'm frankly sad by the whole turn of events because I wasn't happy to send that email to Keith.
	You know, the fact that I pulled the show off the network, I thought, you know, I have no ill will towards Keith.
	I know a lot of people don't like Keith, but I've never got quite a rep, right?
	Yeah, yeah, he does.
	And you know what?
	He's not warm and fuzzy for the most part, but I've never had a problem with him.
	This is a guy who put in an immense amount of worry.
	Yeah, he's not nearly as evil as people make him out to be.
	I don't know.
	He was in the new Star Wars movie.
	I saw him.
	No spoilers.
	No spoilers.
	Well, there's this moment when you see they're on a Star Destroyer and Keith is sitting there at one of the consoles and he says, make it so.
	Make it so.
	And not in a friendly Star Trek way, in a palpatine type way.
	Oh, no.
	That's not good.
	Well, yeah, I hope we can all just be friends and do our shows and talk about weird stuff in the middle of the night.
	Isn't that the whole point of all this?
	Exactly.
	Yeah, I think you have a lot of people that really enjoy the show, Heather, and I think you're doing a great job.
	And I commend you.
	I commend you for taking the big shoes over.
	I think that at some point, you know, you're going to have to make a decision as to how you want to make it your own.
	That's just my gut on it.
	But hopefully Art comes back before that in some capacity.
	And, you know, I wish you the best always.
	And I think everybody here is, with the exception of maybe Steve, support what you want to do and how you want to do it.
	Oh, I think Steve is plenty supportive.
	I think maybe I was out of line.
	Hey, I'll admit it.
	Maybe I was out of line calling him like that.
	Wow.
	Yeah, there's a lot of pressure in this seat, you guys.
	There is a lot of pressure.
	So everybody say, oh, well, gosh, such a victim.
	Such a victim.
	Oh, poor Heather.
	No, no, that's not it at all.
	But just imagine what it's like to go up for judgment every night and to hear, oh, God, 400 opinions every day on how you're doing.
	So, yeah, Curtis, how about I call you up every day and tell you if you're good or not?
	Wait, so I already have a wife that does that to me, and the answer is always that I did it poorly.
	So now you're giving me more?
	Oh, no.
	I don't know if I can handle that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, but that's just a little glimpse of what it's like.
	And, you know, maybe I got a little stressed out and I thought, gosh, you know, if it's if Bateman should be the host, well, maybe I should just ask him if he should.
	And if I was out of line, then I was out of line, and I'm sorry.
	Well, that's a point that I think would be a good point to end on, I guess, as I'm stumbling over my words.
	Bateman, do you want to respond to that?
	Yeah, look, as far as I'm concerned, it's over and done with.
	If that's that, then, you know, I think we can both just happily walk away and do our own things.
	Are we going to see both of you on Bell Gab more?
	I guess redacted.
	You've stepped away from it more.
	But are you going to come back?
	And Bateman, are you still a Bell Gabber?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	X is probably not going to be happy to hear that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I'm not too sure anybody wants me to show up.
	I want you to show up.
	I was going to ask Heather.
	Go start.
	Go ahead.
	I was going to ask Heather.
	Think back a few years when the first time I called in and I was so nervous.
	Who'd have thunk I would have been a co-host when you called in?
	Right.
	So what's it like to co-host on the GabCast start?
	Well, the first time I was very, very nervous.
	And the few times I've been doing it now, I'm a little more used to it, but I'm having fun with the people in the chat and the other co-hosts.
	And it's not so nervous anymore, but I still need to find my pace.
	Oh, you're doing fine.
	You'll pick it up.
	I've got something in mind that I may be coming up for YouTube if I figure out how to use it.
	And I'll let you know because you might like it.
	And that's all I'm going to say for now.
	Nice.
	All right.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Well, we'll thank both of you, Bateman and Heather, for joining.
	Bateman, do you want to talk about your show really quick where people can hear it and what's going on with it?
	Yeah, I mean, look, I don't want to be that douche to plug the show.
	So, you know, I mean, people on the board are going to be a little bit more.
	Okay, well, then be quiet.
	Then I'll tell people.
	Go to darkcity.fm.
	Go there and check out what Bateman does.
	And for Heather, go listen to Midnight in the Desert at Dark Matter Digital Network.
	Thank you both for joining us.
	We appreciate having the conversation.
	Hopefully, no punches were pulled during it, and that this is what it was.
	So we appreciate it.
	I want to add that, you know, Steve and Heather, thank you so much.
	What an incredible moment here of great radio.
	Because this is what radio is.
	This is what radio is.
	It was real.
	You guys showed up and came to, I don't know, some kind of conclusion and a positive.
	So I think that's good.
	It was wonderful doing this with Star and Gravity and the great host tonight.
	Oh, well, thank you.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate everyone for joining us too.
	Gravity Sucks, thank you for setting up some great show notes for us.
	Star Wars.
	Once again, it's the third time in a row that we didn't use a single one.
	I know.
	Well, maybe it's the death knell for show notes.
	When you do those, it's an amazing show, hopefully.
	And then Showroom Dummy, thank you for joining.
	And again, you need to promote your podcast because I think people should listen to it.
	You had some great questions.
	Well, I'll just praise MV and I'll post it up on the up on the bell gap.
	There you go.
	Everyone, thanks for joining us in the chat room, all of our callers, for all the questions you had and comments.
	Be sure to listen to Train Wreck with MV and Evelyn.
	I believe that's on Friday nights.
	Don't miss Dark City with Bateman.
	Don't miss the Bell Files coming back on the 24th.
	So that's next Sunday that Jasmunda and I will be back doing that.
	And there'll be a couple more episodes of the NFL podcast that we'll be doing for the season to end the postseason.
	And then we'll be back again next season to do it again.
	And we appreciate everything you guys have been a part of.
	Thanks.
	Okay, thank you, Curtis.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Curtis.

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