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12 December, 2015

12 December, 2015

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This is the Gab Cast, abelgab.com.
Call the show now at 623-242-CAST.
That's 623-242-2278.
Now shut up, sit down, and listen to the damn show.
This is the Gab Cast.
Oh, shut up.
I gotta stop this guy.
He just keeps repeating.
There we go.
Yeah, it's 2.44 a.m. Central Time.
This is, I guess you could call it the Gabcast.
When I plugged the show on the forum just now, I put quotation marks around the word Gabcast because it really doesn't feel like one to me.
Actually, it's just an attempt at some sort of a semblance of understanding here as to just what exactly it is that's transpired over the last, what, 10 hours?
Is that about right, Jasmunda?
That sounds about right.
Yeah, it seems I've been chained to my computer for that entire span of time.
Have your own family and everything.
As well, you should.
With or without this current ongoing crisis, I feel like you should just be your own person.
You know, live your life and be you.
Just tell your family to shove it.
That's my philosophy on life.
So, this is MV, by the way, from Bell Gab.
Michael Van Dieven.
I am, you know, I've told this story before.
On 9-11, at that time, I was a 9-1-1 dispatcher, and my shift was from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m.
And so 9-11 happens.
I get off work that morning at 7 a.m.
I go home.
I do the things you do when you're alone in your home.
No, I just went home and took a shower and went to bed probably at about 8 o'clock, which would have been 9 o'clock a.m. on the East Coast, which I'm having to go back to my 9-11 conspiracy lore to remember, but I believe that the first plane struck at like 20 minutes past the hour that morning.
So I was in bed like 20 minutes before 9-11 actually started happening.
And I woke up later that afternoon to everything had just happened, everything all at once.
You know, the people who watched that event in real time, they got the slow, incremental presentation of the events as they occurred.
I just woke up and, hey, right in my face.
Here's what happened.
Suck on that.
I didn't get the slow.
I don't know which would have actually been more shocking, everything all at once, or learning about everything as it happened.
But that is, as a situation for me, sort of analogous to what it is that happened here today.
I'm a fancy college boy now, so this is finals week.
And since 6 o'clock this evening, from 6 o'clock until about 11 o'clock my time central time tonight, I was working on this paper that I needed to turn in.
And I got that done.
Then I go to Bell Gab and realize, oh crap, I forgot to start the live thread because I was just so engrossed in what I was doing.
And I see that Art Bell has quit.
And I'm just at a loss for words here.
Yeah, that's what you do.
I'm at a loss for words.
So let's do a quasi-radio show.
Let's go do something where we have to talk into a microphone.
But I just thought that having watched all of these events of this evening transpire, having watched the, having listened to, rather, the airing of Art's show tonight, I only caught it in bits and pieces because, again, I was busy doing what I was doing.
And then, you know, family kids, that whole thing.
So I wasn't able to stay as glued to all of this as everybody has been able to.
So as this broadcast progresses here, I'm going to find out a lot of stuff about the events of today, along with, I'm sure, some of you.
I mean, somebody started a thread on Bellgab that just says, please, for the love of Jesus, could someone just give me a couple paragraphs of synopsis as to what it is that happened today?
Because the alternative is to weed your way through hundreds, perhaps at this point, thousands of posts on Bellgab to get a complete picture of what exactly it is that happened today.
And I guess, suffice it to say, Art Bell has a stalker.
And Jasmunda, you jump in here and tell me if I've got any facts wrong or what it is that needs to be added to the story here.
But the synopsis, in my understanding of things, is that Art Bell has a stalker.
This guy's been firing shots at Art Bell from the desert.
And additional events have transpired.
I haven't been able to keep up with all this.
I've had such a hard time fitting this whole universe into my life over the last several weeks.
I am so out of the loop.
And then today, at what, around 4.30, Jasmunda, was it?
Art Bell announces that he's, in text form, announces that he's quitting the show.
Is that about right?
Was that around 4.30 my time?
Well, you wouldn't know.
You're on the other side of the GD planet.
What a task I'm throwing your way.
You know what?
Could you just on the fly, Jasmunda, convert the time I threw at you to that of the other side of the planet?
Thank you.
Well, it was 9.30 a.m. my time, which is almost 12 hours ago.
Well, over 12 hours.
Yeah, whatever.
It was about that time.
What doesn't matter?
It was a few hours before airtime.
I want to know what TV show was airing on CBS at the time.
No, I'm kidding.
So around sometime this afternoon, Art Bell announces this in print form, text form.
I guess it was on his Facebook page.
I don't know where it was posted.
I just saw somebody copied and pasted it onto Bellgab.
And so what was going on tonight on the show between Art and Redacted?
Was Art only on the show for a brief period?
Did Redacted start the show tonight?
From the time?
Yeah, yeah, Redacted started from the top.
She had a guest on almost immediately.
Wait a minute.
Let me stop you right there.
So was this subject dealt with on the show in any meaningful capacity?
Because I'm seeing comments on the forum of people saying that people were just sort of whistling past the graveyard here and not really talking in depth about what it is that just happened to this radio show.
It was sort of just glossed over fairly quickly.
That is not acceptable.
I mean, this is Art Bell's radio show.
Every single person who is currently paying any attention to this universe, this whole Art Bell universe, is only doing so because of Art Bell.
Needs to be discussed on the show.
I mean, he is the show.
The show is Art Bell.
The show just ended.
Yeah.
Does that not, I mean, that fuck the guest.
What is this?
Yeah.
So Redacted started.
She went with the guest.
Then I had sort of tuned out because it's in the afternoon on a Saturday here for me.
So I had tuned out.
And then I see a message on Belgab that Art's on.
Apparently, there was some troubles with the guest's Skype connection.
And then Art came on.
I don't know whether he came on to sort of save the show because there was no guest.
And then Art starts taking over the interview as someone who's a dominant interviewer would do.
And he was on for a couple of segments.
It looks like.
I mean, did he just sort of show up?
Was there any?
I just didn't hear any of this.
No, neither did I.
So what's our phone number, MV?
There's heaps of people in the chat.
Oh, my God.
The phone number is 623-242-CAST.
That is 623-242-2278.
I don't care what your opinions are of this situation.
You are welcome to voice them here.
You don't need to worry about what anybody's going to think about what you have to say.
I'm interested to hear primarily the thoughts of the people listening right now.
I mean, I can sit here and meander about, you know, wax philosophically for a couple hours, but there's only so much of that somebody can stomach.
So I'm particularly interested to hear what you guys out there have to say, your impressions of this whole situation.
What were you going to say, Jasmunda?
I'm sorry.
Oh, so Art was sort of interviewing the guest, and then they went to a break at one stage, and then he didn't come back after the break.
He was gone.
And then Redacted continued the interview, and then the guest left, and Redacted went to, or Heather, I should say.
That's her name.
She'll always be Redacted to me, Sweetie.
Yeah.
She took open line calls for the rest of the night, which was very brave of her, I must admit.
Well, but that should have happened while Art was there.
I mean, Art was there.
He was on the air.
What?
It sounded like Art called in on Skype, like on his phone on Skype.
Like, it was quite a clear connection, but you could tell he wasn't, obviously, in his studio.
But I would have liked one more show with Art, maybe just to see you goodbye, open lines.
Well, or at least just to answer some questions from the audience.
I mean, I don't know.
I just kind of feel like everybody is do that.
You know what I mean?
I mean, that just feels everybody is do the answering of a couple questions.
That's just how I feel.
I don't know.
I mean, the show just ended tonight.
Does everyone understand that?
And we're just going to keep talking to some phony-ass time traveler guy.
I mean, it's not to criticize Redacted.
It's just, I don't care who's in the seat tonight.
That doesn't seem like maybe it was the best way forward.
I just, I don't know.
I feel like there should have been an honest accounting of what exactly has happened here on the show, not in a Facebook post.
And particularly with Art showing up there, he owes that.
I feel like that's owed to the listeners.
It's owed to the affiliates.
It's owed to everybody.
And think of the position Redacted is in.
This is her livelihood.
This is her job.
This show and its existence is how she is paying her bills.
I mean, imagine what she's going through at this minute.
And on top of it, she's got to go to Belgab and look at all the horrible shit people are posting over there, which, you know, I understand the anger.
And, I mean, it's to be expected that people are going to be pretty pissed off at anybody sitting in Art's seat.
I mean, we just, Belgab is a celebration of that entire premise.
You know, the idea that people aren't going to just accept anybody sitting in for Art Bell.
Belgab is probably quite tame compared to some of the other forums or places.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
There was Chinese piss porn.
Well, I will.
That was a little racist of me.
I want to apologize to the listening audience on behalf of Van Diven Enterprises.
That was racist of me to assume that those women were Chinese when really the only thing I could ascertain from that photo was that they were, in fact, Asian.
They could have been of any nationality.
How could I make that conclusion?
So my point there, Jasmine, is we are a little bit racy, okay?
Otherwise, yeah, I guess you could say it has been pretty tame.
But I just can't see how, you know, we're not going to be able to pretend that what happened today didn't happen and just go on.
It's not going to work out like that.
This isn't going to be that kind of a situation.
If art's not there, this whole thing is done.
It's going to come to an end.
Did you get the email from your time traveler subscription from Dark Matter to how you can cancel your subscription?
Because that's very final to me.
That means the network itself has instructed its audience in terms of how to end the network's revenue stream.
Yeah, it's pretty conclusive.
That's pretty conclusive.
So, you know what?
When I was as I was messaging back and forth with you on Bellgab about maybe 30, 45 minutes ago, and while I was doing that, I was thinking, I'm sorry, my kid's distracting me.
I'm losing my train of thought.
I don't even know what the point was.
I'm sorry, it's three in the morning here.
It's two in the morning.
What are you running there?
No, you have to understand.
I am married to an Arab terrorist, and Arabs love to stay up late at night, and so...
What's that?
Why don't they want to kill everyone?
I want to kill everyone?
Who says that about me?
I didn't say you want to kill everyone.
You said you're married to a terrorist, didn't you?
Oh, I see.
Okay, okay, yeah.
So they like to stay up really late.
So that's what's going on right now.
I can hear my kid in there just raising hell.
I'm afraid if I walk into the next room, the carpet is going to be pulled up.
There's something horrible happening in there.
I don't know what it is.
It's 8 p.m. here, and my kids have been asleep for an hour.
That's the tight ship that I run here.
But if Art Bell's not there, the whole thing is done.
And I feel bad for Redacted in that respect.
I feel bad that it looks like her livelihood is now compromised.
Beyond compromised, she's going to have to do something else.
Because this can't survive without art.
And by the way, I did catch pretty good chunks of what Redacted was doing on the show tonight.
And I was quite impressed with what I heard, frankly.
I know that a lot of people out there were panning her contributions to the show.
I think some of the criticisms are legitimate, but I also think some of them are steeped in bias as a result of the anger of the situation.
I mean, if she were just hosting a podcast of her own or going about her own endeavor, people would be taking her for what, you know, her own merits are as opposed to assuming anything about her because of the show that she's hosting at the moment.
So in that respect, I think that a lot of the critiques of the criticisms being lobbed her way tonight have been quite unfair.
I think that given the situation, the pressure she must be under, both personally, because this represents the potential end of her ability to make money with this whole thing, which is pretty important.
You know, you got to make money in this life.
But additionally, just the overall pressure of being thrown into the situation that she was thrown into tonight, as I said, I heard pretty good chunks of what it was that she was doing on the show tonight, and I thought you would be very hard-pressed to find someone in her situation who got dumped into the position that she's currently in, who would be able to do as good a job as I heard her doing tonight.
But my point is, that doesn't matter because it's not about the show.
It's about art.
Art is the show.
Who gives a shit what the name of the show is?
I suggested maybe a year before the show came to be, I suggested that it be called Goblins and Such with Arthur Bell.
And the point in doing so was to illustrate or at least try to make the point that I don't care what the name of the show is because the show as an entity isn't what I care about.
It's the man who is there speaking through the medium, radio.
That's what's important.
And so, you know, it doesn't matter how good Redacted is at talking, speaking into a microphone and taking calls and looking at the wormhole and managing a con to have a conversation with the guests.
I heard her doing a lot of multitasking tonight that I don't think a lot of people really understand the nature of or are aware was occurring in that moment.
Because I'm thinking about, I have years of radio experience, so as I'm listening to her, I'm thinking about the logistics of what it is that I'm hearing at that moment and all of the levels of multitasking that she was doing to do what she was doing.
And I don't think there are a lot of people out there who could have done nearly as good a job as I heard her doing.
But again, because of the show being what it is, Art Bell's show, we've borne witness to this since 2001 three, was it?
Or 2004 when George Norrie, whenever that was that he took over full time, we've been witness to the audience's reaction to that situation.
Although George Norrie is a substandard host, there is that.
But I don't think it would have mattered how well-versed the host was with the English language or how much experience they had taking calls and doing a talk show.
None of that would have mattered because it is Art's show.
It's not about the show.
It's about the guy.
Yeah, I think most of us would tune in to listen to art read from the phone book.
It doesn't matter what the show's name is, really.
That's superfluous.
People are listening for art.
And yeah, as I said, he could read the phone book and would tune in almost every night.
As long as he didn't just keep doing the A's every night, would get a bit bored of that.
Yeah, there's some twat in the chat room.
Just flooding it.
Yeah, hold on.
I'm going to have to.
Here we go.
Have to put your moderator pants on.
Do you have access to that, Jasmunda?
No, I don't.
I thought you did.
Why don't you?
I don't know.
Well, why wouldn't you?
I haven't changed anything.
I don't know.
I don't.
I used to have one of those ad symbols next to my name.
I don't anymore.
I got drunk with power.
What's the command?
Is it forward slash identify?
Yeah, something like that.
And then the password.
Okay.
Hey, caller.
How's it going?
Who's this?
I've got a bunch of food in my mouth.
It's Pate.
Well, that's in keeping with the context of your posts on Belgab, sir.
Thank you.
No, I would have said it.
I'm sorry.
I don't mean to use people.
Can you hear one another?
Yeah, I can.
I can hear Jazz a little bit.
Continue.
Well, we're stepping on each other, sir.
I have no idea IQ.
Aha.
I have no idea what's going on.
Just log in to make fun of old Richard like I usually do, or however I do that.
And this is interesting.
I work late, so I never get to hear art live.
And to be honest, I've never logged in to listen to a podcast.
I'm waiting for the winning lottery ticket to come out and then cash in and kick back and catch up.
But so if I'm catching what I'm reading correctly, ordinance.
I felt a little bit good food, good life.
Is this Brassville and Nueva?
I don't know.
We're all just laughing.
Not laughing, but like freaking out.
So the art just went off air and Red had to take over.
Is that the deal?
I've heard nothing.
I'm just heard a Richard Hoagland rant of some sort about Dark Matter radio network going down.
Yeah, let's get into that.
Jasmunda, do you know anything about Richard C. Hoagland's comments on these events?
All I know is that Bateman sent me a text saying that Richard might be done with Dark Matter Radio Network.
Says this might be his last show.
Is that correct?
Well, I heard about 45 seconds of Hoagland's show tonight, and in that window of time.
I'm sorry, I had to yell at my kid.
I had to, in that window of time, I heard him say the words, since this is our last show, as he was going to break.
So I took that in a number of ways.
Does that mean I thought to myself that it could be taken in a number of ways?
Does that mean last show of the week?
Or does that mean the last show, last show?
I would assume if you said last show, you're not meaning last show of the week.
That sounds like something you would definitively say when you're this is the last show.
Okay, well, you've you said you've been glued to your computer about over this whole thing all day long.
So, I mean, what are the events of this whole thing that we need to know that we don't know or that haven't been brought to light?
Because I don't really know much about this.
I'm not an expert in Richard C. Hoagland.
I was on the street.
No, I mean, just the whole thing.
I mean, the overall picture of things.
Were there any events that transpired during the day that are relevant or interesting?
Well, I mean, are you familiar with what's been happening the last few weeks with the stalker?
With, you know, someone initially someone shot at Art's house.
You're aware of that.
That was the first event.
Was that the person who drove down the street shooting from a car?
Yes, and he had neighbors calling him or texting him during the show saying, you know, someone's shooting at your house.
That was the first incident.
Then there was an incident where somebody called his house and warned him to get off the air and stop broadcasting.
He mentioned that one night.
Another night just prior to air, someone he was walking from his house to his studio and someone was outside.
He saw someone outside.
And I think he even, I don't know if he got a shot off, but when he pulled his gun out, the person ran away.
So that's a pretty serious incident, someone being actually on your property.
And then I don't think anything else has happened since then.
Well, there was one more show after that last incident, was there not?
Or that last incident, was there no more, was there not another show after that?
Because I know he missed like, what, two nights in a row?
Or was it three?
And that was last week, and then there were two shows at the beginning of this week.
And oh, yeah, that, sorry, there was one last incident.
Then on Wednesday night, prior to Air, when he was walking from his house to the studio, he heard someone say something, and I think he said, he thinks they, you were warned or you were, and he didn't hear the last word, whether it was warned or not.
And then he heard what he thought was a gunshot, but he said could have been firecrackers.
And he jumped, dove on the ground and stayed on the ground for 20 minutes whilst he was able to sort of get a message off to his wife to call the cops.
Had you heard about that incident?
Yes.
Yeah, I saw the Facebook post about that.
Yeah, so that happened.
He was quite sore from that incident and quite shaken up.
So he didn't go to Air that night because of, you know, being shaken up and obviously having to deal with the cops.
And then the next night he was too sore, you know, from obviously having to dive onto the ground.
You know, he's not a young guy.
So he didn't go onto air Thursday, but then mentioned on Facebook that he would be back tonight.
So I wonder what the event was that occurred between that message and the subsequent message saying he's done with the show.
Was it just the talk with the family?
Yeah, he said that his wife, he wrote this actually on Bellgab today, his last message today on Belgab, which I think might have been just prior to the show.
He mentioned that his wife sort of sat him down and said, no, like it told him about how while the cops were coming last night, while the cars were screeching into the driveway, Asia was, you know, absolutely petrified and frightened, not knowing whether, you know, art was dead or alive.
And it was sort of that that sort of hit home for art to say, well, you know, this isn't worth it, the trauma that Asia is going through and Aaron, I would say, as well.
It's just a matter of time.
Yeah, I can, but it just seems like there should be some solution to this.
It seems like there should be some way around this problem.
There should be some way to remedy it.
I mean, if you don't touch the guy, or you don't have any or much evidence, I mean, what can you do?
Well, there's also no evidence that this guy is going to stop doing this because art stops the radio show.
Is there?
Why is that?
What's the connection that is enabling that line of logic?
No, there is none, but each night he has to go walk from his house to the studio, leaving his wife and kids sort of by themselves undefended.
At least if he's at home, he's there.
That doesn't mean the guy is not going to come.
But, gosh, I don't know.
It just seems like the show's making money.
It's getting affiliates.
Isn't there enough money to be made in conducting the show to hire a couple security guys to come stand around the house during the show?
That's what it just seems like there are solutions here.
I don't understand.
That gets expensive as well.
Well, let's say for standing there, let's say to stand there and guard the property, for two guys to stand there and guard the property and walk around for three hours.
You have to pay each of them $100, let's say.
So that's $4,000 a month.
I mean, the show's getting on affiliates now.
Is there no money?
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm just throwing ideas out there.
It seems like to stop the show, take it out of Richard C. Hoagland's pay.
I wonder what that guy's going to do with himself now.
He's going to jump off a bridge.
I don't know.
I think that do you think he really is?
Because I mean, with the things I speak.
I'll put it this way: with the things I see people saying on Belgab, it's hard for me to believe that the waters are calm where Richard C. Hoagland is concerned.
I guess I'm saying that, I don't know, I get the perception that the relationship between he and Keith or perhaps even art isn't exactly amicable.
I don't know.
Well, that's the impression I was getting after the whole Rossi incident.
So, that being the case, who's to say whether Richard really gives a crap?
I don't know.
He sounds like a train wreck to me.
You would think that Richard is getting money from subscriptions.
I don't know.
Is he, though?
I mean, is the show really that?
I mean.
Well, he's getting some money, but in order to get more subscriptions, he needs Art Bell.
If Art Bell's not there, there's no more money coming into Richard's show.
Well, yeah, it would at the very least be significantly diminished.
Yeah.
But the whole network is going to go away anyway, from what I'm seeing.
Someone said in the chat room earlier, I meant to make note of that, but I forgot.
Someone in the chat room, I think, said that Richard says that Keith Rowland is going to go ahead and pull the plug on the network.
And if that's, if Art is indeed quitting, that would be a sensible move, in my opinion, unless he just wants, unless, I'm sorry, caller, you were sitting there waiting all that time for, and I completely forgot there was a caller.
I'm sorry.
I didn't remember there was a caller until I saw them disconnect.
So call again, I'll put you on right away.
But Keith apparently, or Richard apparently said that Keith is going to pull the plug on the whole thing anyway.
I can't imagine why Keith wouldn't, unless he just wants a really frustrating hobby that never has a chance of making any money.
It's a charity otherwise, isn't it?
It would have to be.
What point would there be?
The money is not coming in from the other shows on the network.
Art's the big draw card.
I presume they weren't making much or if any money during that two years that art wasn't on the air.
So I can't imagine they'll make any money without art being there.
So how can they continue?
Yeah.
Well, if you'd like to call in and talk to us about it, I'm going to type the number in the chat room here.
It is 623-242 CAST.
That is 623-242-2278, if you'd like to express your thoughts.
Based on what you heard tonight, when I would really like to talk to Redacted, I'll bet you that, I don't know.
Now is probably not the time, actually.
I doubt she's really in much of a talking mood.
I mean, I realized that she was what she needed to be on the show tonight because she was on, but there's a difference in being on and being yourself alone and being in the mood you really want to be in in that moment.
And I'm sure she is not particularly pleased with this turn of events.
And as such, although I would like to talk to her, I'll bet you now probably isn't the greatest time.
As I said at the top of the show, I mean, this became her livelihood.
This is how she was paying her bills.
She quit her job to do this.
And no matter how good she is at sitting there doing what she did tonight, which again, I thought she did, considering the circumstances, I thought she was doing a fine job.
But it's, again, as I said at the top of the show, it is not going to matter how great a job she does or doesn't do.
It is Art's show.
People aren't going to accept that.
Bell Gab is a testament to that fact that people just are not going to accept a replacement host for Art Bell.
They're just not.
And you could say, well, but Redacted's not an idiot the way Nori is.
So that could make a difference.
Well, okay, but Mike Siegel was no idiot either, but he just wasn't art.
And so if the critique that lends credibility to the notion of the audience disapproving of the host can't be that the host is a dummy because Mike Siegel was no dummy, the critique moves on to being he's just not Art Bell.
And the same will happen to Redacted, no matter how great a job she does.
She's not Art Bell.
Nobody but Art is, and people just aren't going to accept that, I don't believe.
So I guess that's the question I'm getting to and saying that is as you were listening tonight to tonight's show, I don't know how much of it you heard.
Did you say you didn't hear any of it or you heard very little of it?
I heard bits and pieces.
I wasn't listening to the whole show.
Okay.
Well, I guess the question I would like to ask, or have answered rather, is was the presentation of the show, was its context, was the spirit of tonight's show suggesting that this is going to go on night after night with redacted hosting?
We don't know.
I think someone asked her a question right at the end, and she said, we'll see what happens on Monday.
She said she would like to, but I guess in the end, it comes down to whether Keith wants to keep running the network, whether it's still going to be financially viable.
Because I guess if it's not financially viable, well, no one wants to, no, he's not running a charity.
He's got to pay the bill.
So if those subs disappear, well, they already are.
I mean, there's no if.
The network just instructed its customers to piss off.
Yeah, well, they all gave instructions how you can unsubscribe because through PayPal, you have to go into a setting and click something to stop the recurring payments.
If you have no idea how to do that, you wouldn't necessarily know what to do.
So they were providing some instructions because I'm sure they're going to get that was getting out on the front foot because I'm sure they would get hundreds of emails saying, how do I unsubscribe?
How do I do this?
How do I do that?
When they'll still probably get that, but I guess they will get that on the front foot.
And they also offered anyone who wants a refund, I guess, for the rest this month, then he would manually process those and gave a warning that it would take a while because he's going to have to do them one at a time.
Oh, my.
If you request it, that's going to be a bit of lost revenue as well.
A bit.
You minimize this so much.
If there's a drop in revenue tonight, if the money stops coming in, they told everyone how to stop paying.
There's some people that will forget and just keep paying, I'm sure.
That's like the local supermarket mailing out letters to all of its customers saying, look, there's another place to buy your beef right around the corner.
So here are the directions.
You take first to Madison, make a left at the light, and pull in right next to the dead willow tree.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yes.
Hello?
How's it going, buddy?
Oh, hey, MV.
This is Mimbabley.
First time, short time.
Hey.
It's always a pleasing experience to encounter new voices.
Yes.
So I thought I'd call in somebody else in and maybe get this ball rolling.
Go ahead and hit it.
Yeah.
So one thing I wanted to clear up.
So Redacted start off the show, you know, giving the rundown pretty much what Jasmunda just said about all the incidents that happened with the stalker and that.
And then she immediately went to this time traveler bozo guest.
He was atrocious.
I heard him.
He sounded like an illiterate heck.
It was awful.
And fortunately, his mic cut out and he disconnected.
His brain was cut out, too.
Good God.
So then after the commercial break, Art was on.
So he called in, and it sounded like he was up for taking open minds to talk about his show.
But at the same time, the time traveler called in on a phone this time, and that's when he became, he sort of took over the interview with the time traveler, and he stuck around.
And it was awful because everyone wanted to just talk about, you know, Art quitting the show.
But instead, this absolute fraud who was, it was obvious that he was just, he just wanted to talk to art because he was super excited about talking to art.
And at the end of the interview, he's like, oh, I was so thankful to get to talk with Art.
And he's wasting everybody's time.
And it was really disappointing.
What do you feel?
What would you have liked to hear specifically?
I don't know.
I think it would have been great to just have people call in, talk about art, talk about the memories, share appreciation, concern.
I don't know.
At least address the issue.
Something a little bit more cathartic than just listening to this phony baloney time traveler guy.
Exactly.
I mean, it's Friday, so it should be open minds, right?
Dave?
In the chat room, Dave Sucks says he'd like to see Bateman as a replacement.
A lot of people like Bateman's show, but again, that doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter who hosts that show.
It's not going to work.
It needs to be art.
And if it's not art, the show's going to end.
It's just that simple.
You said your name is Zimbabwe, right?
Yeah.
Well, you would like to have had something more of a cathartic experience tonight.
I feel exactly as you do.
I feel like there should have been some sort of an appreciation of the overall emotional flavor of what it is that happened tonight.
And I think not doing so was a little bit fearful.
I mean, look at the look at.
We all waited for this show for two years.
We sat through a two-year non-compete waiting for this show.
It just ended today.
Fuck the time traveler.
Fuck the time traveler.
Fuck him.
Dump his ass.
It should be wall-to-wall, call after call after call of people just talking about the fact that the show appears to have ended tonight.
That's and whatever the context of those calls, whatever the direction of the conversation, so be it.
That's honesty in action.
I mean, I mean, we all know what's happening.
Let's talk about it.
You know, that's my thought.
Anyway, I don't know what more there is to say about this.
I thought that the listening audience would be a little more inclined to call in and voice their opinions on it since I don't get the impression that has really happened anywhere else other than the Bell Files episode that you guys did.
You and Curtis did earlier today.
I'm guessing some people called in and shared some thoughts on this.
Did you guys have a pretty good caller base?
Yeah.
Yeah, we had pretty much call after call after call.
Well, as well as should have been.
It was similar to after Dark Matter member on the Gabcast, you were taking call after call, and it was pretty similar to that.
People just wanting to know, you know, I think there wasn't too much people venting.
People are upset, but I think there was a bit of understanding why.
There was a bit of people not buying Art Story or thinking there were some holes in the story.
I saw someone say that he contacted the police department in or the sheriff's department in Perump, and he's complaining that he can't, or he's insisting that he can't find a police report for any incidents pertaining to Art Bell.
And so therefore, he believes connect the dots, XYZ.
Well, that goes down there to whether you're prepared to call art a liar or not.
I, for one, am not.
This is well, I mean, why is it's not hard for me to believe that this is occurring to art.
I've always said that we know what the coast-to-coast AM/slash Art Bell audience is.
They aren't necessarily the most normal group of people as a demographic within society, okay?
So I am not too far removed from subscribing to the idea that somebody could be stalking art.
That's my long-winded, meandering way, my airtime-filling way of saying to you, I have no reason not to believe art.
Why is it so hard to buy the idea that there's some crazy dude with a gun giving art problems?
I'm sure that that's entirely within the realm of things that happen to a guy who's been heard by millions of people on the radio and lives in the middle of the desert with minimal security.
Far away from access, quick and easy access to police, far away from any dense population of people who can see a perp walking around the neighbor's property and call the authorities.
I mean, he's in the middle of Siberia there.
And that being the case, it's really easy to believe that there's some crazy dude out there doing this.
But I can't imagine what the motive would be.
What's I can, I can think of a very few people in art's professional life that I'm aware of, just as an outsider.
I can think of very few enemies.
I can't think of any enemies he has that I think would engage in this sort of activity, this sort of behavior.
I can't think of anyone that it's been bandied about, I think, entirely in jest that what about Leo Ashcraft?
I don't buy the Leo Ashcraft is not making weekend or weekly trips from Texas to harass Art Bell.
I don't buy that.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hello.
No, you're not.
You hung up on me.
Oh, my goodness.
How could a caller do that to me?
How could you call Van Diven Enterprises and do that?
Oh, wow.
I don't think you can sort of say that's Coast to Coast hiring hip men either.
Yeah, that's another one I've seen bandied about.
The people at Premiere Radio are just so scared of what's going on.
See what they do?
These are powerful, wicked people.
Alex Jones here.
We're going to talk about what's going on with Art Bell.
Y'all know what the Premier Radio people do.
I mean, no, it's not Premier Radio Networks.
It's.
I don't know.
It's some random crazy, I'm sure.
And I just, I just can't believe that the show is ending because of this, though.
It seemed like when I started hearing about these incidents, it seemed like, okay, this is a thing, yes, but this is going to iron itself out.
This is going to get worked out.
I did not, I mean, I had a little bit of trepidation.
There was a tingling sensation, I will put it that way.
But I didn't subscribe to the idea that the show was going to end.
And what I was going to say earlier, and I got sidetracked, even before the show, when I was talking to you and coordinating things through private messages on Bellgap, I was thinking to myself, I'm not so sure this show really is over.
I have this gut feeling that tells me art's going to be back on the air pretty soon.
But even with the cancellations and well, now that I've learned about all of that and I've taken some time to consider the affiliates and what their reaction to this is bound to be, even if art did return, they're going to say, you know what?
Not going to.
This isn't what we can.
We can't abide this.
This is not what we need.
So that's that.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Who's this?
This is Faustina.
Hi, Faustina.
Have we ever talked before?
I think I've once talked to Bateman.
Well, I'm not Bateman, so you know what?
That's okay.
I sing your praises.
I always say, you got to listen to the Gabcast because MV is really smart.
Thank you.
I like it when people say that stuff about me.
You're welcome.
I have an Art Bail group on Facebook.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hello.
Facebook.com slash what?
It's Facebook.
I got to distinguish my advice.
Yeah, you're on the air with us, you know?
So it's facebook.com slash what?
I don't know, but it's called Art Fail Fans Undercover of the Night.
She was ready for this.
See how she's just firing at the hip with the PR information, Jasmunda?
She was absolutely ready to just drive it home for the audience.
I'm sure that page is getting flooded with users.
They don't have to come and sign up for my group or anything, but I just wanted to sort of give my two cents on the whole situation that's going down here with Art.
I would like your unfiltered, unimpeded opinion, please.
Okay.
My opinion is that I feel like Art is sort of letting this psycho nut guy that's docking him win by scaring him into going off the air.
And just because maybe it will end because art is going off the air, so the psycho nut is getting what he wants.
But I also think that if Art had the first time the incidents occurred, if Art had gotten mega security, including like a couple of guard dogs and a security guy, security guy and like floodlights that go on, you know, motion sensor floodlights and, you know, the whole nine yards, that probably incidences number two and number three wouldn't even have occurred.
Or if they had, the, you know, the guy, the psycho nut guy could probably have been caught or been captured on video or et cetera, et cetera.
So I was really confused why incidences number two and three even occurred.
You know, so that's indicated to me that he was not putting in enough security.
And that kind of confused me.
And now he's giving a lot of weight to, you know, his little girl being scared, which I understand.
But, you know, I'm really torn that he would just throw it all away that easily after what he and Keith Rowland have worked so hard to get going here over the last, what, you know.
Two years.
It was a two-year buildup to this.
We all waited through a two-year no-compete.
Yeah.
And it's all being thrown away because Asia is scared.
But, you know, I think they could deal with that a little better by explaining that, okay, we know you're scared, but we're going to put in some great security and the bad man will not be able to get even close to the house or the studio again because of the wonderful security we're going to put in and you'll be perfectly safe.
The badman.
I like the way you put that.
It just flowed right out of your lips.
The bad man.
Yeah, the bad man.
That's how you would talk about it to an eight-year-old girl, you know.
I call him the psycho nut, and I have my own theory about who it is.
But I'm not going to say any names on the air because I don't want to keep information.
Let me ask you this.
Can you tell me why you have the theory that you have without saying something that will allude to who that person would be?
There was a person that left Art's employ, and he went on Facebook, and he said a lot of really horrible things about Art.
Okay, that's enough said.
We all know, we all understand.
Message receives.
Okay, I got another point for you.
This guy now has a radio program that he produces, supposedly, from what I've heard.
And I'm not going to say the name of it, but the name of this radio show that's online is in Midnight in the Desert Direct Time Slot.
And I have been in contact with people who are involved with that radio show, and they all say that, yeah, it's not getting a lot of listeners because we know that they're listening to Midnight in the Desert, but we think that will change as word gets out about how great our show is.
Now, all those people that are involved in this other radio show.
But from that, you can't really make a connection to say, thus, someone involved with that radio show is physically arriving to Art Bell's property to fire guns at him.
Yeah, you can.
Really?
I mean, I'm not telling you you can't.
I'm just saying I wouldn't.
I would, because there are psycho nuts out there.
We know this.
Well, that's true.
We all agree it's a psycho nut.
You know, no more baby carts.
Well, that guy was completely sane.
I don't know what you're talking about.
But this guy with Art Bell.
He said, yeah, I am V. Ha ha.
But anyway, listen to me.
There is a psycho nut out there.
The guy who is stalking art is obviously a psycho nut.
And he's accomplished his aim, which was to scare art off the air.
So now I don't believe in giving power to psycho nuts.
I am in agreement with that philosophy, but do you have any kids?
No, I don't have any kids.
Well, see, there's a level here that you can't relate to.
Yeah, exactly.
But, I mean, you do make valid points.
If my cats were being endangered, you know what I would do?
And if there was a psychonut coming after my cats and threatening to kill them, I would move.
I would move to an undisclosed location where I would be sure that the psychonut couldn't find me.
What I would do is I would place the cats in a dark box, shake the box violently, suspend the cats above the door from the ceiling, rig a booby trap that causes the now agitated, angered cat to drop and fall onto the perp.
Opinions.
Yeah, I could turn them into guard cats.
It's probably like a six-month course, you know.
Don't you just sort of feel don't this is surreal.
I mean, I don't know.
More could have been done to rectify the situation than was done.
Like after the, like I said before, after the first incident, some really major security should have been put in.
And it obviously wasn't because there was incidences two and three.
For me, there is what I guess could be called something of a cognitive dissonance here.
On the one hand, I know the history of art's forays into broadcasting being replete with departures, but at the same time, something felt different about this one.
And so despite my knowledge of the past, this still is really surprising to me.
Yeah, to me too.
And I just felt like Art wasn't taking it that seriously because he didn't immediately put in heavy-duty security.
Because I keep going back to my point.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
You harlot.
People in the chat room are saying you're trolling me.
Answers, I demand them now.
Who's trolling you?
You.
Who me?
Yeah, someone in the chat room says that you are trolling me.
And I would just like to know.
Okay.
I just want to clear that up.
Carry on.
I typed like three things in the chat room, and they were all pertinent questions to this issue that's going on.
There was no trolling.
I don't think she said that can be.
I was displeased by her appearance.
That was.
Besides the fact that she likes cats, there's nothing that she said that was held.
Your appearance was fine.
I'm just giving you trouble.
Oh, you don't like the fact that I like cats?
You know what?
I'm married to a woman who likes cats.
It's all right.
Art likes cats.
You know, the trouble with art is he likes cats too much.
He was afraid that getting the guard dogs would upset his cats, and now he's having to go off the air, which doesn't make much sense.
Well, four minutes ago, I provided a perfectly workable solution involving the cats.
Nobody wants to take my advice.
I can't take that one seriously.
They might get hurt.
See, when you don't have kids, your cats become your kids.
So, you know, I can't put my cats in the cat carrier and shake them up and down.
They might break a bone or something.
Agreeing to let my wife get cats, biggest mistake of my marriage.
Biggest, absolutely.
I'm allergic to them.
I am allergic to them, and I allowed this.
How do we think Art can get back on the air again?
She doesn't want to talk about my personal life.
I don't know what's going on here on this broadcast.
I'm not talking about your personal life.
As long as I think you're sharp and you're...
I'm so taken aback I didn't even hear your question.
I was just blown away by the...
What was your question again?
Okay.
Okay, here's another good one for you.
Okay, Richard Hoagland comes on his little show tonight, right?
And he's talking about, oh, you know, art is going off the air.
And I talked to Keith Rowland today, and he says that, you know, Dark Matter Digital Network is going to go down because art was the only money maker for the network, right?
So Richard says, okay, everyone needs to, you know, email Keith and tell him that you want to get into the 19.5 club and sign up for that so we can get a revenue stream coming in and save the Dark Matter Digital Network from going down by signing up for the 19.5 club.
Well, I can tell you the 19.5 club ain't going to get it when you start examining can Redacted keep her job?
Can Keith Rowland justify all the time he spends away from his wife?
And I think he has children as well.
Does he?
Right.
He does.
He has at least one kid.
Well, there's no way that the 19.5 club is able to reconcile all of that.
That's just, I'm just putting that prediction out there.
And Jasmine, do you know me?
I like to stick my neck out, don't I?
Yeah, I think Richard's going to have to start looking in the papers tomorrow.
Oh, my.
Oh, my.
Hi, you're on the air.
Who's this?
Hello.
Hey, this is Kaz.
How are you guys doing?
I hope it really is the real cause.
I haven't talked to you since, I think, November 2014 or 2013.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, that's correct.
It is the real cause.
You know, I always have to say that in any encounter with you, you know it's going to be brought up by me that when Art Bell quit Dark Matter on SiriusXM and people were throwing all those cause memes at you.
That was funny.
There is a select cross-section of the Bell Gab audience that will recall what exactly it is that I'm referring to, but you really took that like a champ.
Most people would get all been out of shape and report the posts and demand they be taken down or want their account deleted.
I'm going to go out and, you know, commit various crimes.
Most people would flip.
I've been on the internet since like 1990 before it was really public.
And if you went out onto Usenet back then, the same kind of things happened, except everybody you were dealing with had a 180 IQ because it was all researchers and engineers and people at IBM and universities and this kind of stuff.
So those guys were not only vicious, but they were really, really creative.
So I haven't seen anything new yet.
Well, everything you just said then would have been put in a meme like was I was on the internet in 1990 and then at the bottom, but everybody had an IQ of 180.
Yeah, and then that's both the end of the thing is under laugh at him.
It doesn't bother me because that's actually true.
That's how things were, especially prior to the invasion of AOL in, I think, 1994.
There's someone in the chat room who's using the name Falkey 2013.
I don't know if that's the real Falke or not, but I can assure you that if that individual were trying to get on the air, they would be put on the air.
Believe me.
The call would be answered.
They are not trying to call.
So, Kaz, what are your thoughts on all of this that happened tonight?
I'm sure you've got a few opinions.
Oh, yeah.
Well, first of all, I'm shocked that you guys are doing a gab coming up.
You should be, and you should be thankful.
I would like a little bit of praise.
Well, I was just getting to the praise.
All hail you.
Amen.
Well, I'm I don't know how I feel.
I'm just completely wigged out by this.
And this is like the collapse of not only Art Bell, but a collapse of a network that potentially could have changed the way broadcasting was done.
I don't know, man.
There's still a little kernel inside me that says this is going to get fixed.
I know that no one believes that right now.
And there are some irreparable things that have happened here.
I mean, with the affiliates, with the now eroded level of confidence that they would have in the show, with the time traveler subscribers being instructed on how to unsubscribe.
There are some irreparable things that have happened, but there's just still this little kernel inside me that says, I don't know, maybe it's not over.
Maybe this is fixable.
Well, you know, I had the other podcast.
I called into the other podcast.
Which one?
The one that was before the show.
Before what show?
You're going to have to, you know what, Kaz, if you could please, let's communicate here.
You got to come in.
Yeah, before Redacted took over.
Oh, so a show on Dark Matter Network.
No, no, no.
No, it was Bell Files.
Oh, you're not allowed to say.
I'm sorry.
You're not allowed to say the name of that show on this broadcast, but carry on.
Okay, I'm sorry.
I wish I is there someplace where the rules are printed in my underwear drawer.
It's a little 3x5, but very small print, and it's written in my blood.
I'm the Saddam Hussein of Internet Message Board owners.
Oh, man, I love you.
All right.
Anyway, I'm lost now.
I'm just, I'm completely messed up.
Well, you were one of the, I mean, you sound sad over the whole thing this time around, but back in 2013 when Art quit, you were one of the angrier people.
So why the difference in opinion this time?
Or maybe it's not a difference in opinion.
It's just that my perception of your written word is that different from that of your spoken word.
I don't know.
Yeah, my written word doesn't come off well.
That's why I rarely post.
I think that the, you know, I had high hopes for it, but he's been through so much drama since 2000.
I mean, in the 90s, he seemed to be relatively stable.
And he was certainly impressive when I used to hear him on his Las Vegas show.
It just doesn't make it any sense to me.
I mean, I understand the decision and the reason for the decision.
I can't imagine why anybody is going to be shooting a gun at Art Bell.
I mean, I really can't, you know, because if he was putting out classified information and a government agency was going to be shooting at him, they wouldn't do it in a way that somebody could call the police.
It's just ridiculous.
And then with this, I am.
I'm sad.
I'm sad because actually, I had talked to Keith Rowland about putting my own podcast over on Dark Matter because I'm a ham radio operator and I'm starting a podcast and I'm experienced podcaster.
Starting a podcast having to do with ham radio, and I really wanted it on Dark Matter.
I thought it would be the perfect audience for it.
And because it wasn't going to be your standard ham radio podcast, it was going to be interesting.
And, you know, if the dark matter folds and all that, I'm sad about that.
I'm going to miss the heck out of Art.
I thought he had a good 10 years in him.
It's not going to happen.
I felt like that was a credible projection.
I felt like, yeah, I could see this going for 10 years.
There are plenty of people who work well into their 80s.
Isn't Barbara Walters like 89?
I mean, she's as old as dirt.
Sure.
Sure.
And the other thing was, is I saw his stuff growing, and he was picking up stations slowly, and it wasn't turning into this massive growth spurt, but you could extrapolate it out five years and say, you know, he's going to be coast to coast size in five years.
You know, he grows at the same rate, the same percentage rate, and he's literally, you know, based on a compound percentage, if the growth rate remains the same, he's definitely, he's going to be all over the place, plus on the internet.
And additionally, on shortwave, which I got a huge kick out of.
I mean, when he announced he was going to be on shortwave, I almost cried.
Because most of the stuff on shortwave now is pretty much religious.
And I'm not a religious person.
So some good programming on, you know, a shortwave was great.
So I had really high hopes for this because it's just the talk radio format is such a hugely entertaining and interesting format.
And unfortunately, the subjects that are carried by some of those things are fairly narrow these days, especially on broadcast.
Well, I will confess that I had a really hard time fitting this show into my life.
I was very disconnected from it.
The first few episodes I caught.
And from there, everything just changed.
I mean, I had a kid, a new baby on July 23rd, just two or three days after our show started, three days after.
And it was just really, and then I did a semester of college.
I mean, that started on, what, August 24th, I think?
So this, all of these things, just the confluence of all these life-altering events in my day-to-day existence have made it really hard to stay connected with a show.
And so I think some of the sting for me is mitigated in that regard because it hadn't become a nightly part of my life as it had for so many of you.
Hi, hello, you're on the earth.
He was just really.
Oh, yeah, it's Kazigan.
Did you hang up on me?
Were we finished?
Yeah, I was finished with you.
All right.
Thanks, man.
Okay, buddy.
Have a good one.
People don't deny the MV style of doing things.
They're just not used to it.
You know, they want to, well, check in on your grandma after we're done here.
And you do have bread and milk, right?
Okay.
Well, it was good.
It was a pleasure.
And, you know, they're just not used to the Van Deeven Enterprise's approach to handling things.
That is true.
If you want to be on the show, the phone number to call is 623-242-CAST.
It is 623-242-2278.
Imagine what a buzzkill this whole thing is for people who have podcasts on that network.
Such a buzzkill for so many people.
But there are some people for whom it is a bigger buzzkill than others.
And among them are people who have shows on that network who were obviously just banking on the idea that, okay, there's going to be some great exposure coming.
And now, hey, guess what?
Here's a box.
Open it.
Tell me what's inside.
And it's a big, dried-out gray cat turd.
That's what's in the box for those people.
A very disappointing turn of events.
We had the spec sheet on there for a while.
Actually, the spec sheet will always be the tech show that I did with Curtis.
That will always and forever be the very first broadcast of the Dark Matter Radio Network.
And I want that remembered for all time.
Yes, it was.
Trivial question.
It was the only show.
And listeners were paid $20 per half hour block to listen.
It was really great.
Everybody, but no, that didn't occur.
So six-week tenure in the chat room is posting all of those memes that were done about.
I think that's because he was the one that did them, right?
Probably.
So he's one of these guys.
He's got just this standby library of cause memes or memes in general, and he's probably got them broken down into folders like this one is fat whore from bicycling forum.
And you go into that and he's got all the memes that he throws at her.
He's got another folder that just says cause.
Yeah, and then there's that huge one of folky gifts.
The gifts that keep on giving.
Well, there certainly are a lot of people in the chat room.
There certainly are a lot of people listening.
We got up to, I think, 130.
No, we got, uh, yeah, up to about a...
No, we got up to 124.
That's not bad for 3.55 a.m. U.S. Central Time, I would have to say.
Again, this was a gabcast with quotation marks around the word gabcast.
What's happening here?
I did not intend to be doing this at this moment, I can assure you.
But just from my own understanding of the events that transpired tonight and to maybe impart upon some of the people who were listening and didn't know what exactly it was that happened, I thought it would be a good idea to do this.
So, I don't know, depressing.
That's what I have to say.
And I don't know.
I don't know what the future holds for the forum.
I mean, it's not going to go anywhere.
It's not going to be taken down, but I guess it's just going to sort of exist.
It'll exist as an archive, really.
I mean... It might morph into Folkigab.
You never know.
With this, if art doesn't return, it becomes very clear.
I mean, if he doesn't come back quickly, then it's very clear that he's never coming back again.
That is it.
We will never hear from Art Bell again as a broadcaster.
I was not sure that that would be the case anyway, that this was the last.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
That's what I mean.
Whether it ended tonight or it ended two years from now or five years from now, we sort of all knew this was the last hurrah.
And that being the case, we kind of like the perpetuation of the energy behind Belgab was always predicated on the expectation that, hey, art comes back someday, possibly.
And so that was always the kernel of energy that drove the forum, even in those years between 2008 and 2013, when art wasn't on the air.
And there was no sign of art being on the air until, what, early 2013?
Or maybe the first quarter of 2013.
I think that's when we started seeing things happening with ArtBell.com.
And I'd have to go back and look.
That thread is so goddamn long.
But there were all of these.
Okay, well, let's say it was June.
That means that from April of 2008 to June 2013, there was no conclusive indication that Art was going to be returning to broadcasting.
Everybody kind of hoped he would, but there was no conclusive indicator that he was going to.
But the possibility existed.
And so that was always that kernel there that kept things sort of alive and going.
That and the hatred of George Norrie.
People's hatred for George Norrie.
That, of course, was another element of the spirit behind the ongoing operation of things.
But now there is absolutely there, if this is it, then that is it.
There is now certainty for the first time since 2008 that Art's broadcast career is completely done.
You know, this is kind of a seminal moment.
I mean, this is the first time, at least in the history, and that's why we're all here right now because of Belgab.
I mean, I know it's because of Art Bell, but I mean, like, all of us being in this one place right now at this time, listening to this podcast being recorded, that's because of Belgab.
And this is the first time in Belgab's existence that there has been certainty that Art Bell is done and will never return to the radio.
There was always that kernel of hope.
That's dead now.
So I do wonder what that means for the future of things, or I do wonder what it is the forum can morph into to possibly remain in some way an enterprise that people are interested in visiting and interacting on.
There are always going to be those people that just never go away because it's just what they do.
Going to Bellgab and reading the crap that's on there and interacting with people and having that forum to express themselves is just something that they do in their day-to-day life and they're going to keep doing it.
But it will be interesting to see over the coming weeks how things just really slow down.
It's very sad.
Do you have enough diapers to last you the end of the week?
Do we need to wave the tins around?
You know what?
There has never been a better time.
You know what, Jasmoon to thank you for that because I didn't want to be the one to broach the subject.
So you saved me the uncouth process of doing so.
There's never been a better time to donate to bellgab.com.
Just click donate in the menu at the top and support the diaper program that we have here at the diaper purchasing program that we have here at Van Diven Enterprises.
Lots of diapers to buy.
Although it was really nicely timed right about the time our newest baby arrived.
The old baby, we call her the old baby.
That always reminds me, those of you who are fans of Mr. Show with Bob and David, there was this episode with this trailer trash couple and they had these kids that were just sitting around eating pork rinds and being neglected in the trailer.
And the guy, the father, works in a job where he scrubs toilets with a brush, like outhouse toilets, not toilets in a facility, but in outhouses.
And there's this doctor who's doing, he's implanting makeup on the faces of unborn babies.
And then these women get on a stage and it's a pageant and they hold like a sonogram device up to their bellies so that the audience can see the makeup that's on the unborn baby and then they judge it.
But there's this one scene in there where the mother of the this, this trashy mother of these neglected kids, is referring to the poke pork rinds that her daughter is just sitting there on the couch unceremoniously eating and she says, the old baby loves them.
Look, old baby loves the pork rinds.
I always think about that.
Uh, but our oldest baby.
Luckily she no longer required diapers right about the time we had this new one come along.
It timed out perfectly, so For a very short period of time, we were buying two diapers for two kids.
And I want to say, I am clearly aware of just how interested the audience is in this particular subject.
Hi, Caller.
Who's this?
Hey, this is Bonanza Pilot from the Bogad Forum.
Hey, buddy.
What's going on?
It's going all right.
I just, I find it so, I guess, disappointing that there wasn't a viable solution to fix Art's problem.
I mean, it seems to me that you could put up a freaking fence.
Just put up a fence around the yard, like a taller fence with a regular suburban fence, throw some barbar on top of it, some floodlights, and a majority of your problem is solved.
He's not out in the desert taking shots at you.
It doesn't make any sense to me.
I did feel in some regards the same as you do.
I felt like, and I said it a few moments ago, actually, there wasn't a solution to this.
I mean, again, they had, I did a count the other day about a week ago, I think it was, and it was like 45 or 48 affiliates they were up to.
I mean, that's serious earning potential.
And that being the case, there wasn't a way to fund the use of some sort of a security apparatus, whether that was manpower or whatever it needed to be.
I mean, at least in the interim until things are figured out, yes, a human being out there with a gun on the property keeping an eye on things would have been totally appropriate, at least until things were figured out.
I mean, but the whole operation, I'm with you.
I have a hard time wrapping my brain around how the whole thing just had to be shelved.
Right.
It just seems so odd.
I mean, I can't even.
It just really does not solve rights.
I mean, it just, I mean, if it was an issue of money, if the show was not making money, which I find hard to believe, as you mentioned, how it was growing, it just, I just really, I just don't get it baffled.
Just totally confused.
And I think there's more than meets the.
I really don't know.
Oh, you think so, huh?
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
Do you care to expand upon that?
Do you think, what do you think?
Or do you think anything specific?
Jeez, I really don't.
I mean, I'm just mystified by it.
It's just that.
It is shocking, isn't it?
It's just like one crazy is going to force this entire growing enterprise to shut down.
It's just, I mean, come on.
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
There are too many livelihoods at stake.
There's too much money that's been invested.
I don't know.
I'm with you.
I feel like there should have been some solution.
Go ahead, Jasmine.
Art did say that if something did happen to his wife or his child as a result of this, he could never live with himself.
So If he thinks there is, but then, you know, as you said, Caller, you said he could have got security.
But, you know, there's still that threat out there.
I think he should have taken a few weeks off.
I said this earlier today, coming up to the Christmas New Year period, take a few weeks off, go away, see if this can be resolved, you know, through the police.
I don't know.
Right.
Yeah, I feel similar.
I feel there were so many avenues that could have been taken.
There's so many things that could have been tried.
It's just.
Hold on.
There's a message.
There's a message that Art posted a message on Facebook I want to read.
He said, I think Heather did an amazing job given the short notice, connection problems, and a guest who was tough.
So he acknowledges that.
She will return Monday with a great guest, and I think those of you who are considering canceling should give her a couple of more days before deciding.
In my view, she has one of the more pleasant voices on radio.
On another note, it may be that after some time, if you stick with it, I may be able to show up now and then, while I would easily understand it's really intrusive.
I was prepared to go on, threat or not, but after a sit-down with my wife about what life has been like since all of this started for her, and most of all, Asia, it just seems selfish of me to keep doing it so I could have fun under current circumstances.
I also want to say the sheriff's office has been doing a wonderful job.
They have a big valley to protect.
Art.
You actually missed some of the message, MB.
Did I?
He said, on another note, it may be that after some time, if you stick with it, I may be able to show up now and then.
I read that.
Yeah, while I understand I could have some guard out there, it is not a road I care to go down again.
I did that years ago and hated it for the same reason anybody who has ever been under guard would easily understand.
And then you said it's really intrusive.
Okay, I was reading it as posted in the chat room here.
So we've just been talking about the fact that he could get paid security out there with a gun, and he says to him that's not a road he cares to go down because it is so intrusive to their lives.
Well, if anything, only during the show, you know.
Yeah, you have two hours or three hours during the show just while he's in there.
He knows that he can do the show in the safe, in the knowledge that his wife and child are safe.
And then as soon as he goes and gets back in, goes back through that front door at home, he can say, see you guys, and we'll see you tomorrow night.
Oh, my.
Well, I would say that it's been real.
And I don't really think there's necessarily much more to add to this situation.
Do you?
I think we've covered it.
I think if there is any attempt here at catharsis, we've approached that as closely as we're going to possibly be able to do.
And that's it.
What's the crying song?
And Ace Ventura, when he finds out that Einhorn is a man and he lays down in the shower, that music that's playing, is it the crying song?
I can't remember the name of it.
I know what you're talking about, but not the song.
I'm just saying that I wish I had that at my fingertips here to play as opposed to this upbeat, jazzy, rhythmic intro music.
Anyway, okay.
Well, everybody have a good night.
Jasmunda, thanks for being here.
Thanks to everybody who called in tonight.
And thanks to all of you in the chat room.
It certainly was a pleasure to have you here.
And I suspect we'll be talking again rather soon.
The semester for me is about to end.
And we're going to do some gab casts.
But particularly, I want to get back into the swing with Evelyn doing the Michael Van Diemens Radio Trainwreck Show.
That's going to be a lot of fun.
Particularly with the political season underway, you can listen to my racist, neo-Nazi philosophies and enjoy.
No, seriously.
I'm actually quite rational.
Anyway, that's it.
I don't know what's wrong with your Skype tonight, Jasmunda, but you have no full duplex whatsoever.
Like, if I make a sound at the same time you're talking at all, it just, you totally drop out.
I don't know what's up.
Anyway.
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