GabCast Bellgab.com - 20 October, 2015

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20 October, 2015

20 October, 2015 ---------- Rossygate, Keith Rowland's fluctuating internet connection, mayo, Leo Ashcraft's embarrassing premiere as a radio host, and GabCastgate.

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	This is the Gabcast, a podcast about Bellgab.com.
	Call the show now at 573-837-4948.
	That's 573-837-4948.
	Now, shut up, sit down and listen to the damn show.
	You've been listening to The Gabcast, a podcast about Bellgab.
	Well, the intro guy really botched it.
	Good grief.
	You're the dead.
	Hi, everybody.
	This is the Gabcast.
	It's a podcast about BellGab.com.
	And if you'd like to be on the show, the number to call is not the one that the announcer just read to you.
	It is the traditional GabCast phone number, which is 623-242-CAST.
	That is 623-242-2278 on the show tonight.
	I'm Michael Vanderveen.
	Also, we have Chefist.
	Hey, buddy.
	Errol, how are you?
	And Brig.
	Good evening, gentlemen.
	I've never heard of these two people in my life, but they're on the show tonight.
	So there they are.
	It's going to be big fun.
	So a new direction going forward for the show, I guess, is I got to talk about it.
	I mean, for a long time, I have felt like this show ought to be more of an audio representation of what's happening on the forum.
	I've always felt like just as you see a wide array of people posting on Bellgab, you should also hear a wide array of people hosting this show.
	Now, there have to be a couple of constants, one of which is that either Eddie Dean or I have to be here for each episode.
	That's just the way it is because we are required in order to get the show on the air for those of you out there to hear live.
	But beyond that, I've always felt like it should be more of an audio representation of the forum, a wider array of people hosting, just as you see a wide array of people posting on bellgab.com.
	And so, but I never really implemented it because the thing was just going as it was.
	And when something's not broken, you tend to try not to fix it.
	But then the guys who have been doing the show so wonderfully all this time, they wanted to start bringing in new people as permanent hosts, but they were not exactly all, their ships were not all sailing in the same direction.
	Let's say, where how and whom to bring in are concerned.
	Like the process by which they determine who to bring in as a permanent host, all of that stuff, they were not—the best way I can explain it to you without, you know, betraying confidence is to say that.
	They just were not exactly in agreement with regard to how to do that.
	And so I was minding my own business and I was contacted by one of the hosts who said, hey, we've got this problem.
	We're not really in agreement about this thing.
	What do we do about it?
	And I said, well, you know what?
	I've been thinking for a long time that it would be nice to sort of shake this thing up a little bit.
	And this is probably the time to do it because it resolves everything.
	It resolves the disagreement that the hosts were having in terms of determining when and how to bring new permanent, quote-unquote, permanent regular hosts on the show.
	But it also resolves what in the back of my mind was always an issue in that I, again, felt like a wider array of people should be hosting the show.
	So going forward, what we're going to do is every time there's a Gabcast episode, we used to have this private gab cast.
	I'm sorry, my mouth is so dry.
	It's years of heroin abuse.
	My spit glands don't work the way they're supposed to.
	It's one symptom I want to.
	Kids don't use heroin.
	Did you get it from Alden?
	Well, let's just say I got it from Bell Gab.
	That's as specific as I want to get.
	But what we're going to do, we used to have this private Gabcast thread where all the hosts before the show would get together.
	Nobody else on the forum could see the thread.
	And I dumped that and decided what we're going to do from now on is just publicly arrange these shows in the public Gabcast thread so that everybody can see that process happening.
	And what we'll do is prior to each broadcast, whether that's a day prior, two days prior, I think maybe a couple of days prior is a good way to go about this so that whoever decides they want to be on, they've got plenty of time to plan for it, to assess and decide if they want to do the show and to get things technically worked out so they can appear on the show.
	That's why Glorious Bitch is not here right now.
	She did not have Skype installed.
	And so I think as I'm speaking right now, she is still trying to get Skype set up and working on her computer.
	So I think if we give people plenty of warning and advance notice that a show is coming up, the first three people who in that public thread raise their hands and say, hey, I want to be on the show.
	That's how we're going to do it from now on.
	There's not going to be any permanent hosts.
	I think that's fair for everybody involved.
	I think it makes for a more interesting show.
	We'll hear a wide array of people on the show.
	We'll hear a lot of voices that we can now associate with and pin to the usernames that we've been reading on the screen for all these years.
	I think it's going to be a great thing.
	I think it's going to be a very unpredictable show going forward.
	I think that people are going to be, it's just going to be more interesting.
	It's going to be less safe.
	And I think it's going to more closely reflect in an audio format what it is that we read on the forum.
	I love the idea, MV.
	I love it.
	I love it when different bell gabbers call in.
	And I love it when different bell gabbers call into Art Bell, too.
	I like open lines.
	It gives you a sense of community.
	And I like the idea of the variety of it.
	All the different personalities.
	When you see it.
	You want to hear everyone.
	Yeah, I do too.
	Yeah, I mean, I already know what White Crow sounds like, and it's great hearing his voice.
	And when you see that username on the thread, you know exactly who White Crow is.
	So here's someone in the chat room.
	Their name is Papst.
	I would love Papst to be hosting the show and to see if they sound like the beer.
	That's what I want.
	Oh.
	Oh, that would be wonderful.
	And part of the beauty of this new system, it doesn't matter who you're chummy with on the forum.
	It doesn't, like, White Crow is an example.
	He could be, he and I have gone back and forth.
	Now, granted, he said nasty things about me, and I've said nasty things about him, but really at the end of it all, I don't know.
	You don't mean it.
	I don't mean it.
	No, he's okay.
	And you know what?
	Ironically enough, White Crow is probably one of the biggest financial contributors to Bellgab.com.
	Did you know that?
	Oh, I have no doubt.
	So he does at least put his money where his mouth is.
	What I'm saying is that any problem you have with me could easily be overcome with cash.
	That is all I'm saying to the listeners of this show.
	I want to get that message out there.
	Even little Chris.
	I don't know about him.
	There's one caveat to this rule.
	If you're currently banned on the forum, that's an exclusion.
	That's an exclusionary problem for you.
	You can't be on the show if you're currently banned from the forum.
	If you can't post on the forum, why would, you know, why should you be on this show?
	That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
	Are you saying the people that are banned now might be considered the worst of the worst?
	I mean, it seems like it's really hard to get banned on Belgab.
	I'm not saying that I'm always perfect in that decision-making process, and I'm not even saying that the process is always fair.
	But one of the beautiful parts of that whole process is that there's only one person making those decisions.
	So you don't have an entire committee of people all sitting there throughout the course of their day, sifting through posts, looking for some reason to ban people.
	You don't have that.
	So it's kind of hard to get banned.
	So that's, yeah, that's one caveat.
	You can't currently be banned from the forum.
	Now, just I have a question, though.
	Are most requests for people to get banned because they're being personally attacked by that person or just because they don't like what they're saying?
	Well, I don't know.
	I get very few specific requests from people saying, please ban this person.
	But what I do get are just simply reported posts where people say, hey, this seems like bullshit.
	I don't think it should be on the forum.
	And when I start seeing a consistent flow of reported posts pertaining to one specific person, that's when you start to realize, okay, you know what?
	Numbers mean something.
	There's some sort of an issue here.
	You know, that's kind of the crowdsourced method of moderating the forum.
	Otherwise, I don't even read probably.
	I'll bet you I don't read 2% of what gets posted on that forum.
	I have no idea.
	I am not sitting there actively reading every post.
	You know, like that quick Carl guy who flipped out and went on and on about my raghead wife and how I love that desert poon or whatever it was.
	I don't remember what it was he was saying about my wife, but I go away from the forum.
	I didn't read anything or post anything for like four or five days.
	And I come back and suddenly he's flipping out on my wife.
	And the reason is because people have been going back and forth with him and saying nasty things to him about his wife.
	And he literally thinks that I am sitting there reading every post that gets submitted to the whole goddamn forum and that I am fully and consciously aware of what it is people have been saying about his wife and actively choosing not to do anything about it.
	Why shame on him?
	That's why Briggs on the show tonight.
	Damn it.
	I agree.
	Shame.
	Shame on him.
	But see, he's not banned.
	He was never banned for any of that stuff he said.
	So it's kind of hard to get banned from Belgab.
	It really is.
	But I think this new system, as I was saying about White Crow, I'm sorry, Brig, I'll stop.
	I'll shut up in a second.
	As I was saying about White Crow, he and I have, you know, back and forth, you know, had our little snippy things we throw at each other.
	But, I mean, even he, it does not matter who you're friendly with or any of that.
	If you put your hand up and say, I want to be on the show, you are afforded a seat.
	It's that simple.
	Good system, fair to everybody.
	That's wonderful.
	Except for White Crow.
	He's not allowed on the show.
	But the rest of those people out there, you want to be on?
	You just.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Anyone who wants to be on.
	I can't think of any more fair.
	I can't think of a fairer system than that.
	And I think that it's going to make for a very different show from week to week.
	That's the real big component of all of this is that the show is going to be so different from one week to the other.
	And Brig, like right now, Brig, I don't think you and I have ever actually, in audio form, even spoken to one another, have we?
	No, I was just waiting for you to be quiet so I could say that I just really feel honored.
	I just really feel honored that I had this opportunity tonight to call and be a guest host with you, MV, because we haven't got to hear much of you lately.
	And thank you.
	Yes, being able to be here and speak with you and speak to all the bell gabbers with you is just a real thrill for me.
	Well, it shouldn't be, but thank you.
	That's very nice of you.
	I'm just going to school.
	I got a three-year-old.
	I got a three-month-old.
	I'm very fertile.
	I just keep Jazz did try to explain to me, you know, I said I miss MV.
	And he said, well, you have to understand when a man loves a woman.
	And I, you know, he stopped at that, but I got the message.
	Who said that to you?
	Jazz.
	Well, one thing he's wrong about.
	I do not love my wife.
	I strike her repeatedly, but it still takes out when you're swinging your arm like that, your deltoids get sore, and you just can't be sliding pots up and down on a mixer after all of that spousal abuse.
	It's just too painful.
	Told her not to bring the cockroaches in the apartment with their purse.
	Why don't you learn how to use spices and stuff?
	Yeah, that's a common attack.
	Men against their women.
	The spices.
	The women don't know how to use the spices correctly.
	But I point out the fact that Breg and I have never even actually spoken to one another before, just to point out how different from show to show things will and can be.
	So this whole thing is either going to work out and it's going to be great, and we're going to have great Gabcast episodes as a result of this, or it's going to suck ass and we'll go back to the way things were before.
	I don't know.
	It's going to be great.
	I hope you're right.
	How could you even question your own idea, MV?
	I have, I literally have a Boy Scout knife against my wrist right now.
	I am so full of self-doubt.
	I have the same Cub Scout knife that my grandmother and great-grandmother went to the store to buy me when I was five is currently against my wrist.
	It's very dull, and I'm going to go through a lot of pain in just a moment.
	Don't do it, MV.
	Don't do it.
	You got to go lengthwise.
	I just want to put that out there for you, too.
	So if you want to be on the show tonight, the number to call is 623-242-CAST.
	That is 623-242-2278.
	If you want to be on the Gabcast tonight, and Chefist, I love you so much because, well, the people listening have no idea of this, but prior to the show, Chefist sat down and completely wrote an outline that entirely covers any conceivable topic that we could want to speak about tonight on this show.
	So my thoughts are entirely focused, much more so than is usually the case.
	And that's a good thing because I am not consuming alcohol tonight.
	And so I, as a result of the lack of alcoholic infusion, my brain can't focus.
	And so I needed drinking.
	The DTs can be a real, real uphill battle when you're trying to do a radio show.
	So, okay, so I'm just going down the checklist here.
	We talked about the Gabcast change.
	And why would we, well, you did ask the question on here, why would people jump to conclusions about its demise?
	I don't know.
	The only reason for that would be because of the post that Jazz Munda submitted in the Gabcast thread where he said, I think that the Gabcast's future is in question.
	I think that's a paraphrasing of what he said, but I don't see what about these changes that are being made would make the show less likely to be able to continue.
	It seems, if anything, that it would sort of serve to ensure the continuation of the show.
	At least that's my impression of all of this.
	But either way, everyone now is on equal footing and can be a part of the show as they please.
	I think that's fair.
	I think that's legit.
	And I think that's the way forward.
	I think it'll be a lot of fun.
	So we have a long list of content to go through tonight.
	All right.
	His list here is just insane, the list of stuff.
	Let's start with number one.
	Okay, well, we have Art's show last night.
	For whatever reason, he just didn't make it on the air.
	There were brief windows where people would say, I hear the chase.
	And then suddenly they weren't hearing the chase, and they were instead hearing a replay.
	And then I think they attempted again to get the show on the air.
	And again, things didn't quite work out.
	Was there ever any conclusion as to what it is that happened?
	I understand that the internet service provider in Phoenix, I believe it is, thought that they were just having some service done.
	And then it turned out like seven hours later that it was much more than service.
	There was an actual problem.
	And as of 7 a.m. this morning, it was supposed to be fixed.
	And the last I heard, and that's over there on the West Coast.
	The last I heard it was supposed to be fixed by 7 p.m.
	And Art was getting tired of hearing all the supposed to be, supposed to be, supposed to be.
	And that's what I heard.
	Part of the issue was there were very, very large storms that moved through the area on late Sunday night, early Monday morning that caused quite a bit of damage to the phone systems and much of the cable systems.
	There's not a lot of fiber optic out here as there are in other parts of the country.
	And that is actually what led to the crash.
	It didn't just affect art, but affected a lot of businesses in the Phoenix area.
	So they thought they were going to get it repaired in time, but they did not.
	And that's what happened.
	And to the caller on hole, just stay there.
	We're going to get to you.
	So there's no vast conspiracy taking place to keep art off the air.
	It was just a matter of internet connectivity.
	And I guess my question is, this new satellite feed, what's it called?
	XDS?
	That's what it's called, right?
	Why does Art have an actual satellite up link at his house that feeds that?
	Or is it being fed through the internet?
	Does anybody know?
	I don't know.
	I'm sure Art still has those up links there.
	I'll bet they're obsolete, though.
	Yeah, they probably are.
	So then maybe it is just digital.
	Well, the reason I ask is because it seems to me that now that radio affiliates are coming on board, I got the impression from a few things I've seen that what's happening is Art is sending his audio off through the internet, I guess, to Keith.
	And then Keith is feeding the satellite system for the affiliates.
	I had thought that they had at least two backup internet systems.
	Well, I know that I immediately went over to 92.9 in Bloomington, Illinois.
	The reason why was they were one of the first stations that carried Midnight in the desert that used to carry coast.
	And they, from the very beginning, had a rerun on air and didn't leave it.
	Well, I think that hopefully I guess my point is this.
	If they're going to have this satellite thing for the affiliates out there, for the terrestrial radio affiliates, it seems to me what they need to do is they need to feed that from Art's place.
	Well, I guess my question is, I don't know how it works, okay?
	I don't know if there's a satellite uplink that Keith is sending.
	My impression is that Art is sending his audio through the internet to Keith, and then Keith from there is feeding the XDS feed, but I don't know if he's feeding it through an actual satellite uplink or if he is in turn streaming audio to something on the web, which from there feeds it out over the system to the affiliates.
	But it seems to me that that's a real weak link in the chain, if that's how it works.
	I would think that optimally what would happen is Art just directly feeds the satellite uplink right there at his place and that it never touches the internet.
	There's just literally a dish beaming the uplink into space, down it comes on the other end, and then it's from there refed to all of the affiliates.
	The way it used to work, that's like the satellite system that Art used to use, the uplink he had previously, back in the day, that's the way it worked.
	It was a direct feed, beaming it into space right there in his backyard, and then it went back down to the earth, and then from there it was fed to all the affiliates picking up the show on satellite.
	But if the internet is being injected into this, it's somewhere along the line.
	That's a big weak spot.
	Go ahead.
	Star Mountain.
	I'm sorry, MV.
	Star Mountain just posted that from Art's Facebook page 21 minutes ago, the Phoenix internet is restored.
	So there's a show tonight.
	That's what it looks like.
	Who was the guest going to be last night?
	Jacobs, Dr. Jacobs.
	Okay.
	Does anybody know if he's going to be back or are they just going to move on to somebody else?
	He's going to be gone.
	Yeah.
	God, that must be so stressful.
	Like from Art's end of things, when you've got that many people sitting there pressing the refresh button on their streaming app or whatever it is they're tuning in with, that's got to be.
	I mean, like, if this show has problems, well, you know what?
	That's the breaks.
	I'm going home.
	I'm going to go play Left 4 Dead or do my homework.
	But, you know, with Art's operation, when things don't go quite as expected, that's a big deal.
	There are a lot of people sitting around waiting to get things going.
	I forgot about, I forgot about the caller.
	I'm sorry.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, MV.
	This is Gravity Sucks.
	Hey, buddy.
	Hey, Gravity.
	Hey, Gravity.
	I see me calling in, and I wanted a global consciousness experiment because my cubbies just did a home run.
	It worked.
	So you're saying that this global consciousness or this mass consciousness experiment, it was performed where and by whom?
	I was getting going to get you guys to do it, but great as you said, caller, go ahead.
	They got a home run and just hide the mess, bro.
	I would rather do something more interesting along the lines of trying to make the power go out in the stadium or trying to make a swarm of locusts come in and just take over the whole place.
	That's the kind of mass consciousness experiment I think we should be performing, at least where professional sports are concerned.
	Co-hosts, what do you guys think?
	What do you do?
	A mass consciousness experiment for Art to never have any more technical difficulties.
	Does anybody know if Art ever got himself a secondary internet connection out there?
	Or is it even possible?
	He posted that he was.
	He said that that was their big failure, and he was going to fix that today.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	See, I thought they had.
	Oh, I know he's got a DSL.
	I know he's got DSL as a backup as a backup option, but he said that that's kind of eeky, so they were going to do something else.
	Well, DSL doesn't have nearly the bandwidth that his microwave hop probably has, but it sure is stable.
	I mean, you get the, with a DSL connection, you get the same stability that you get with a traditional landline.
	When you pick up the phone, it works.
	I mean, I can't remember back in the day, you know, I'm 35, so it's been a while.
	I have to go back quite a stretch in my life to remember when there was a traditional phone around to pick up, but I very rarely recall picking it up and just hearing nothing on the other end.
	I mean, it always works.
	It's rock solid.
	So you would think that the DSL really would be the first option.
	And because it's really, for what they're doing, it doesn't really take too terribly much bandwidth, a crazy amount of bandwidth to pull that off.
	Well, what happens when you get the whole bunch of Scott cars on hold, though?
	Well, I mean, a few megabits per second up and down ought to take care of that.
	And I don't know what sort of DSL bandwidth is available where Art is, but I mean, he really is parked in the middle of Siberia there.
	So it might be available.
	There's nothing out there.
	And I have microwave myself at my business simply because where I'm at, there was absolutely no high speed.
	There was only a T1 line.
	That was all that was available.
	And yeah, it's completely reliable, but it's so slow.
	And especially for what I have to do, I have to do these huge data transmissions for payroll on ADP and QuickBooks through the, when you have to reconcile through the bank, it uses a lot of bandwidth.
	I'm sorry, go ahead.
	Yeah, and so the only option to me was microwave.
	I have a client who just recently got rid of their T1 line.
	1.5 megabits per second down and up.
	Yep.
	500 bucks a month.
	500 bucks a month.
	I mean, that is just silly talk.
	That's because the phone companies are still doing business like it's 1992.
	Hey, Gravity Sucks.
	How did you choose your username, by the way?
	When I first got on Twitter, I had a congressman down here in Texas that wanted input on the space program.
	He had just gotten elected, and I worked out at NASA for about 32 years.
	Wow.
	And so I went ahead and picked that to get his attention, so he started listening to me.
	That's part of the reason, the other part of the reason I'm a big scuba diver.
	And when you're diving, that's about as close as it comes to being weightless when you're on planet Earth.
	That's why the astronauts do all the training in the pool.
	So just a combination of things.
	And so I picked that as a Twitter handle.
	And so now everybody knows how to find out who I really am, I guess.
	I'm probably screwed up there.
	So have you posted any compromising information on Twitter that people can use against you?
	Because I'm interested.
	Not lately.
	Not lately.
	Just a couple.
	Last week.
	Otherwise, it's good.
	Okay.
	Not lately.
	Well, you can say gravity.
	Oh, Greg, just stop trying to get people in trouble.
	Well, gravity sucks.
	You can say that gravity sucks all you want, but all your little mathematical calculations in order to put an object in orbit would just fly apart without gravity.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	And if it wasn't for Oklahoma, holding Texas in place, because Oklahoma sucks too, but get old Texas in place.
	Otherwise, we'd really be in trouble.
	All right, buddy.
	Well, anything else you want to throw at us before I hang up on you?
	No, I just wanted to call in and say I support the new format.
	And I had to use my cell phone because I'm sitting here trying to watch this cuz game, but I want to call in and support the new format.
	I appreciate everything you do on the forum.
	Thank you, sir.
	I just started listening to Gadcast a few weeks ago, and I'm glad that you're keeping it going in some form or fashion.
	You know what?
	Really, what's been keeping it going are the people that have been hosting the show.
	I mean, the frequency with which I'm able to do this, I mean, the whole thing would just pretty much be forgotten about.
	And I don't know how many people are tuned in right now, but I can assure you that number would be far lower than it is if it were entirely left up to me.
	So thanks, buddy.
	Appreciate it.
	And I'll mark that one in favor of the new format.
	I'll put a check right in that column.
	One.
	Thank you, sir.
	All right.
	I'll let y'all go.
	Have a good one, buddy.
	See you.
	Have a good one, man.
	We'll see you on the forum.
	That was Gravity Sucks calling in.
	And if you want to be on the show, if there's something you want to talk about, you know what?
	You could talk about anything, really.
	Maybe there's a feature on the forum that's not working the way you think it ought to.
	I know that Scully's been having problems with the ignore user feature because she can't ignore users that have a comma in their username, which I guess does pose a problem.
	But then you had all these users coming in wondering, okay, all these users that have commas in their username started coming and says, oh, you want to ignore me, huh?
	Do you?
	Oh, really?
	Do you?
	Oh, okay.
	I can't imagine how many unsolicited cockpits were sent to Scully as a result of.
	I didn't think my posts about Nambla were that offensive.
	We actually have a section specifically for your Nambla posts.
	It's not that you're posting them, it's just that you're putting them in the wrong area of the forum.
	It's just so natural.
	We don't understand the hate.
	We would really ask you to better organize your man-boy love posting habits.
	That's all.
	Just organization.
	That's the problem.
	It's not the content.
	If you want to call in, again, that phone number 623-242-CAST, 623-242-2278, if you want to be on the show.
	So, you know, Sheffist has a couple of questions here.
	Does Midnight in the Desert need more infrastructure and or support?
	I think I got to say that for what they're pulling off, well, I will tell you this.
	I mean, the show does sound great in terms of its audio quality, but I sometimes feel like this whole thing sounds like it's been made a lot more complicated than it really is.
	You know, just like, because I have been podcasting since 2006, and I have been streaming those podcasts live as the recorded since 2006.
	And it's really not that complex.
	And I mean, I don't know.
	I mean, like all the thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars of equipment that is required in order to pull it all off.
	I just, I don't know.
	I was really surprised by that.
	It always kind of struck me as using a sledgehammer to drive the nail, really.
	I mean, it's a very, it's not, it's not that much in terms of technical requirements in order for me to do this, speak into a microphone, and for you to hear it live out there and for it to be downloadable for you after the fact.
	It just requires a couple PCs sitting to the side.
	And I'm not sure that the enhanced audio quality that comes along with all of that equipment is necessarily worth all the trouble and expense, but I don't know.
	That's just me.
	Well, I think the biggest impediment with art being a broadcaster from a remote location, which I understand because I live in the desert as well, is just being able to connect to a solid state situation.
	So that could be either cable broadband or a T1 or whatnot.
	But a good example is I'm fortunate enough to have broadband cable, which is what I'm talking to everyone now on.
	And that's at 25 down and 8 up.
	I don't think Art has anything like that near his house, which is pretty typical, right?
	Even fiber optic.
	It's amazing how far behind the United States lags behind a lot of the rest of the world and what some people would call developing nations in terms of fiber optic.
	So unless he has a hardwired option, I think there's just will be interruptions if the weather goes bad or whatever.
	You know what?
	Go ahead, Brick.
	I think we have to expect it once in a while because he's out there where there's just probably not much to back up the whole system with.
	What I think would probably be optimal is if Art had a system whereby he is directly uplinking to a satellite right there in his backyard as he did 20 years ago.
	And then Keith on his end has a satellite receiver where he picks that feed up just like all the affiliates do.
	And then from there, he streams the show.
	See all the problems that eliminates?
	Makes sense to me.
	I got some breaking news from the chat room.
	Oh, my.
	I'm getting a little worked up.
	It appears that there is now a third host for Leo and Neil's show alongside Nike Jazz is going to be on that show.
	Well, he just said it right here.
	He said he wants a reference.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't, is he, from whom is he requesting the reference?
	That's question number one.
	I wish Jazz well on Leo Ashcraft's show.
	I think Jazz would be very helpful in filling in those gaps where Leo says uh and stammers and stutters.
	He would be a big help filling in those gaps.
	You know what?
	I did not hear any of that show last night.
	I keep seeing references to it and what I keep seeing people describing what a train wreck it was.
	I have got to hear some audio from that show.
	I mean, if someone can point me to some audio, we'll sort of Mystery Science Theater 3000 that thing for a little bit here.
	I felt the same way.
	I could find no archive of the show anywhere.
	No, but WR250 said jazz can kill that show too.
	Wow.
	So I did listen to it last night.
	I was, you're going to get a first-hand account, and MV is correct.
	There was a lot of.
	We should be clear about who we're talking about.
	We're talking about Leo Ashcraft, the former newsreader for Arts Show, who left in a huff and decided because he was reading horribly written, horribly read news segments for five minutes each hour.
	That gave him the gravitas and the fan base to go out and create a competing show against art.
	Okay, great.
	Good.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	And so there was a lot of ahs and ums and where do we go now and stuttering.
	And so there was a lot of.
	Oh, he said, where do we go now?
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that was the word.
	See, this isn't as easy as it sounds, everybody.
	No, it's not easy, definitely.
	That's why you don't want to commit to something like that unless you think you have the skills and the experience to pull it off.
	But all I kept thinking through the whole thing was, is this sounded exactly like, if you remember the movie Good Morning Vietnam, Lieutenant Hulk, when he was going to get on the air and show them all how to be funny.
	I'm going to read a joke for all of you out there.
	Oh, Frenchie.
	This joke comes from my grandpa.
	Gave it to me.
	I don't remember the dialogue from that movie, but that's basically.
	It was that level fail.
	They were trying to make jokes.
	The jokes weren't funny at all.
	So that's what's going to compete with Art's Show, a show where people go on the radio and try to be cute for three hours?
	Because that is not Art's audience.
	Yeah, no, it was a complete fail.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	You are on the air.
	Caller.
	Okay, well, you just held for two minutes and 49 seconds for nothing.
	I can't imagine why you do that.
	If you want to be on the show, the number to call 623-242-CAST is 623-242-2278 if you want to be on the Gabcast.
	So Leo Ashcraft, the premiere episode of his new show, Alongside Night, which I created, I merged all of the Leo Ashcraft threads together on Belgab, and I entitled the new thread A Long A, new word long, side K-N-I-G-H-T.
	I thought that that was the appropriate way to handle that from an SEO perspective and from numerous other perspectives.
	I don't know what the thoughts of others might be.
	I don't understand what the title means.
	It's odd, isn't it?
	Just the syntax of it.
	He explained it.
	He shouldn't have to explain it.
	Yeah.
	And here's what's so sad.
	Yeah, he said it was a situation where the planet is half in light and half in dark.
	And if you're in the light, you're alongside the night.
	You're next to the night.
	And once again, what it seems to me is this is a person who spent his whole life on one creative concept.
	He wrote a book Alongside Night in 1970 or something.
	And then he made a movie.
	And then he made a song.
	There's actually a song they played last night called Alongside Night.
	Is there a breakfast cereal?
	Yeah, there's a breakfast cereal.
	There's action figures.
	So this is bit his face.
	It's just little inexplicable brown chunks that you pour milk on top of.
	They're not even sweet.
	They taste ricey.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, and that kind of sums up this.
	It's just, you know, you've seen those people in history that they've devoted theirself to one rather kind of idiotic purpose in their life where they just didn't say, well, you know what, this failed.
	I'm moving on to the next thing.
	And all they do is keep banging the hammer against that one horrible idea.
	And that's what this is.
	And it just keeps going.
	Now there's a radio show called it.
	And it just doesn't stop.
	But at least it's some entertainment for us.
	Let's take another call.
	Higher on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, man.
	This is Eddie.
	What's up?
	What's going on?
	I just heard the top of the show, and I feel like I needed to call in and clear something up.
	You go ahead and hit right on it, buddy.
	All right, man.
	You mentioned having a conversation with one of the hosts of the Gabcast, and I assume that you were in regards to Pony Boy Sunset.
	I assume you were talking about our conversation.
	Is that correct?
	Well, just go ahead and say what you want to say.
	I would rather not answer questions, at least until I hear where you're going.
	Okay.
	Well, I just, it just made it sound like one of us didn't want her on the show, and I don't think that was at all correct.
	I mean, I wanted her on the show.
	I think the reason that I told you that I felt like I painted myself into a corner when we asked her to be a regular after the show, because I mean, after I thought about it, I realized that, you know, the idea was to bring in a new guest host each week, kind of like what we were doing, you know, when Star Mountain came in and we were trying to bring Brig on.
	I felt like in that regard, I painted myself into corner, and I didn't think about it.
	You know, we should have waited to ask her to be a regular for a couple days or maybe a couple weeks, but in no way did we not want her on the show.
	Well, I think I said the process by which people are being brought on the show was what the hosts of the show were having reservations about.
	I didn't want to specifically point out that you had sent me a message because I didn't want to validate that confidence.
	But at the same time, I've kind of been boxed in the corner of having to publicly address this in a way that wasn't when I wanted to or on the terms that I wanted to.
	Okay.
	So you don't.
	Well, I just wanted to tell everybody, people who are listening, I mean, I'm not calling to try to call you out or box you into a corner, but.
	No, I'm saying that when Jazz Munda posted that message in the Gabcast thread that said, oh, I think the Gabcast is over.
	mv can elaborate well i wasn't i mean i that's what boxed me into a corner and forced me to talk about the whole thing in a way that i wasn't ready to hold on forced me to talk about it when I wasn't ready to talk about it and framed the discussion in a way that I wasn't prepared to deal with either.
	Well, I mean, I agree with that, and I kind of wish that Jazz wouldn't have posted that until you had an opportunity to present your idea to whoever you wanted or whenever you wanted.
	You know, the idea for the new hosts and everything for the show.
	But what really, and I mean, now that everything's out in the open, what really irked me is the discussion that started going on behind the scenes between all of you guys and Pony Boy Sunset that gave her the impression that I specifically have some problem with her being on the show, which I don't.
	I don't think any one of you guys do.
	I think she's lovely on the show.
	I've invited her in the past to be on the show.
	I would invite her in the future to be on the show.
	But whatever it was that was discussed behind the scenes between you guys, I wasn't included in any of those conversations.
	I don't know what she was told or by whom, but she obviously was given the impression that she's not wanted on the show, when in fact it wasn't the case at all.
	As a matter of fact, I mean, the system that now is in place makes it equally possible for her to be on the show just as anybody else.
	Right.
	And I agree with that.
	I mean, I don't know, man.
	Eddie Dean, why are you screwing everything up?
	Just the way that you phrased it, it sounded like there was some conspiracy between, you know, the hosts of the Gabcast that didn't want Ponyboy to be on the show.
	And that's really all that I called to address because that's not at all.
	You just verified that, too.
	Right.
	That's not.
	I brought her on the show.
	She was lovely.
	She has great energy.
	She's a lot of fun to hang out with, you know.
	But she is a lesbian.
	That's the big problem.
	And so for that reason, she should be kept off.
	But otherwise, she's really tops on this show.
	Well, it sounds like to have her on the show even more so.
	It sounds like maybe MV wanted it to be open to a lot of people.
	And maybe some people got the impression that they were going to be permanent.
	And there was just confusion.
	That's what it sounds like to me.
	Well, I think we can summarize it to say Eddie Dean and his posts, or whoever, was it you that invited her to be a permanent host?
	Well, it was, we kind of all did, me, Jazz, and Beatub after the show that we did a couple weeks ago.
	Okay, so in your post-show Euphoria, you invited her to be a permanent host, but then upon further reflection, realized that it kind of threw a bit of a monkey wrench into the whole notion of bringing in new people, or at least trying to, on a week-to-week basis, because you'd have 30 people hosting the show at that point.
	And so that was where the buyer's remorse came into play, but it had nothing to do with the specificity of who was asked.
	That is totally not the source of any of this.
	And if I said something at the top of the show to give the impression that the problem was with who was chosen, well, that's just my failure to properly communicate.
	Right.
	Well, that's the way I read it.
	And, you know, I just wanted a call to clear that up.
	Although I do have numerous private messages from Eddie Dean in which he calls Pony Boy Sunset a disgusting whore.
	So I don't know what to believe.
	Who to believe.
	I don't trust anybody anymore.
	I believe I used the word delicious before discussing whore.
	Okay.
	Well, hopefully all the butthurt that has descended upon everybody and everything has eased and things are groovy once more.
	I don't know.
	I mean, hopefully that's.
	Well, I think it's important for everyone to understand that I don't see any reason someone should have hurt feelings because we're all friends, such as friends could be that have never met one another.
	But in terms of wishing each other well, I think we're all well-wishers.
	We want everyone to do well.
	And we want to hear from a large, broad swath of people on Bell Gab.
	And we just, I can't see, in terms of the format of this show and of the thread and of the website where we should let ourselves be take it so personally that we have some type of animosity against anyone.
	It just doesn't make any sense.
	You know, there's just fun stuff.
	We're here to have fun.
	You know, let's have fun.
	I feel that way too, Shappist.
	So anyone who just heard that, you can stop sending me the artist renderings of a demented baby stabbing me in the chest.
	You can stop that.
	It's not necessary.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, hello.
	You're on the air.
	We hear you.
	Do you hear us?
	Well, we don't actually hear you.
	You haven't made any sound, but you are on the air.
	Okay.
	And by the way, B-Dub I saw tried to call in a little earlier, but you called into the wrong account.
	need to call illusion transfusion if you want to make a direct skype call that's the account you need to dial on or that's the account you need to call from skype is illusion transfusion or you can just simply uh no no no no no i'm I'm sorry.
	You need to call the.gabcast.
	That's the one you need to call.
	I'm sorry.
	My wires are all crushed.
	I don't do this internet radio show thing very often.
	I don't know what's happening here.
	So call the.gabcast, or you can just dial in on the phone number, which is 623-242-CAST.
	That is 623-242-2278.
	Now, MD, can I interject real quick?
	Okay.
	Now, it's very important.
	Tonight, we were supposed to have two hosts, Jacko Johnson and Inglorious Bitch.
	Right.
	I can at least use that word without getting reprimanded later.
	And they are frequent posters on the Falky thread.
	Now, in the past, people have avoided talking about the Falky thread, but we don't have to get into it now because we have Megastructure Gate, which was the star, the KIC 8462852, where it was popping in and out.
	And they thought the only way that could happen is there might be an artificial or an unnatural structure or some alien made this superstructure interfering with the light.
	And so that was a huge, huge topic.
	And then there's Rossi Gate.
	We have to get to Rossi Gate as well.
	I think that's what we should hit first, really.
	Of the two, that's the more interesting one, I think.
	Rossi Gate, Saucy Rossi, a Bellgab user who became Richard C. Hoagland's producer, not a Richard C. Hoagland producer who also happened to use Bellgab.
	We've got to be clear about that.
	Saucy Rossi becomes Richard C. Hoagland's producer.
	He's there for a couple of months.
	And then he resigns suddenly saying, hey, things are cool.
	I'm done.
	I'm no longer going to be producing this show.
	It was real.
	No hard feelings.
	Everything's amicable.
	And off I go.
	And then slowly we start seeing these assertions creeping into the forum suggesting that he wasn't paid or that he was told Saucy Rossi wasn't paid or that he was told by Richard C. Hoagland that Hoagland owns him or something to that effect.
	What are your thoughts on this stuff?
	Brigg, what do you think about all this?
	I think it's odd.
	I am just so disappointed that Saucy Rossi is no longer Hoagie's producer.
	In fact, I canceled my subscription to Hoagie when that happened because I think Rossi made Hoagie's show wonderful.
	I think he helped Hoagie to understand that he's got to parlay with the bell gabbers and, you know, kind of make them a little bit of the show and enjoy them ringing the phones and having fun.
	And it started to seem like Hoagie was enjoying it.
	And Belgab seemed to be a little part of the show.
	Was it?
	And I think it was, yeah.
	Does Hoagland ever mention Belgab?
	Has that word ever come out of his mouth?
	Yes.
	Oh, my.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But Belgab has had an effect on the world.
	I think he did mention Belgab a few times.
	How about that?
	Yeah, Belgabbers.
	Well, the form has never been friendly toward him.
	No, but it became like a mutual humorous respect sort of thing.
	Well, it started that way.
	It started that way as more of a fun-loving romp through someone trying to learn to be a radio host to when he would have flashes of being an excellent host.
	He would be congenial.
	He would ask very intellectual questions.
	He was engaging.
	He was polite.
	He was respectful.
	It wasn't all about him.
	He didn't go on ad nauseum and filibuster the entire conversation.
	And when he had those nights, they called the Dick Cavett Richard Hoagland.
	And when he had those nights, he was excellent.
	But then the next night, it would be back to the diatribe.
	And so, but he was getting better.
	And I think what it was was Ross was giving him feedback in a manner in which his ego could accept it.
	Because what we're talking about here is entertainment ego.
	And it's a very delicate, delicate flower, that entertainment ego.
	And it can be bruised just in a puff of wind.
	And I think that's what happened here.
	Now, I just can't imagine someone because there was a poster online named Ayla Ayala or whatever.
	It only posted whatever.
	Yeah.
	Areola.
	So Areola posted once.
	I like that name better.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Areola posted once and basically paraphrased that Richard actually was trying to contact Ross on his mother and said that he couldn't attend to Richard right that second.
	And then when Richard finally got a hold of him, said, no, you belong to me, me above your family.
	And if I need you, I need you.
	Basically, I'm paraphrasing these types of things.
	And then that's what led to this resignation.
	And then even Ross had made a post where he alluded to the fact that not necessarily directly to that, but alluded to the fact that there are certain working conditions that you can't work under.
	And then it addresses the bigger issue in entertainment.
	That's unpaid internships.
	It's a big issue.
	And actually, the IRS is focusing on the entertainment industry because the allure of fame, you can get people to work for free.
	And it's a big deal in entertainment and has been for a long time.
	And it does need to be addressed because people just can't let themselves be manipulated by the casting couch.
	It's that simple.
	It really is anytime I hear the term internship, like at school, I hear that word thrown at me about 80,000 times per week, internship.
	They're all unpaid.
	It's just another vessel through which employers can get cheap labor.
	Exactly.
	I don't agree with that.
	It should be totally illegal.
	If you are going into a private institution and performing work, they should be legally required to pay you.
	There should be no such thing as an unpaid internship.
	At the very least, minimum wage, okay?
	Minimum wage.
	I'm a chemist, and I did an internship in college as a chemist, and engineers do too.
	And you get paid minimum wage.
	At least you get something.
	It should be that way, yes.
	Especially for an industry.
	We're talking about Hollywood.
	These people, not to get political.
	I'm sorry, everybody.
	I don't mean to burst any bubbles out there.
	But, you know, Hollywood is traditionally, at least since the McCarthy era and what they went through with that, they've all become liberal Democrats.
	Well, aren't liberal Democrats supposed to be so pro-labor?
	I don't understand why it is that that industry suddenly forgets about its pro-labor stance when it comes to unpaid internships.
	That's rather interesting.
	I guess most people, it's just axiomatic.
	People will choose not to pay you when given the option.
	It's that way every time.
	Doesn't matter what party you belong to.
	That's right.
	People can march around yammering about how altruistic and what great humanists they are.
	But in reality, people just don't want to pay you if they don't have to, and they won't if they can get away with not.
	And so I guess that's a big question I have.
	Well, let's back up a little bit.
	So Rossi quits Hoagland's show, and he never specifically articulates the reasons why, at least not publicly.
	But then we start seeing this slow trickling of information coming out suggesting that he wasn't paid.
	This Ayala being, I guess, the primary source for that information.
	But what I don't get is what validation is there for all of this?
	I keep hearing people telling me the sort.
	I've got people sending me private messages saying, I can't tell you who the source is, but I promise you, Michael, it's a legit source.
	I promise you everything is.
	Well, okay, but that's not really going to do anything for all the people who didn't receive a personal message from that source.
	Meanwhile, some pretty nasty things are being said out there about Richard C. Hoagland.
	I mean, like him or hate him, it's kind of hard to defend yourself against some sort of shadow accuser who from behind the scenes is lobbying all these softballs at you.
	I don't know who it is.
	I don't know if it's Saucy Rossi or if it's someone else within arts organization who's saying these things.
	But, I mean, either you're going to have the high road or you're not.
	But you can't go behind the, and again, I am not saying it's Saucy Rossi spreading all this stuff behind the scenes, but you know, you tell enough people enough stuff.
	It eventually works its way around and people find stuff out.
	And I do have people telling me, I've had multiple people now tell me, hey, just send an email, send a PM to Saucy Rossi.
	Well, that's the thing.
	I don't even know who was responsible for paying Saucy.
	Was it Hoagie?
	Are each of these shows?
	Are the people who do the shows responsible for each paying their own group of workers?
	Or is that done by the Dark Matter Digital Network?
	I thought he was paid by the Department of Education.
	That's just, I don't know.
	See, I don't know.
	I'm sure it probably.
	Well, I would imagine that it's probably, I mean, if arts infrastructure is being used in order for a subscription to be paid to Hoagland, then it would make sense to me that the Dark Matter Digital Network is responsible for paying Rossi.
	Right, because Hoagland doesn't have his own payment gateway, at least, or any of that.
	To my knowledge, he doesn't have any of that.
	That's what I would think.
	But I don't know.
	Well, I know as a business owner, you pay your people before you pay yourself.
	So if you're getting a subscription service, you make sure the first thing you do, if you have no money as a business, you make sure you pay your people.
	You don't pay the government, you don't pay a vendor, you don't pay the electric bill, but you pay the people working there.
	That's the first thing you do.
	And if you can't do that, you shut the doors.
	It's that simple.
	See, I've had about four businesses where I've had employees, and what I would do is I would go for like three week stretches without paying them just inexplicably.
	But I would show up with new cars and really nice suits, and I would just be like holding a T, I would literally be holding a leg bone from a turkey up to my mouth and just chewing on it as I'm walking through the front door.
	It was great.
	I just tortured them to death.
	It was awesome.
	I'm such a great bus.
	So I don't know who is saying what they're saying about Hoagland, but and it very well may all be true.
	And based on my assessment of him, I've said on the show before that I don't like Richard C. Hoagland.
	I don't like the way he speaks to people.
	I don't like the way he carries himself.
	If he spoke to me the way I hear him speak to people on the radio, or at least the way I've heard him speak to people on the radio, if he spoke to me that way to my face, I would slap him like a bitch.
	I would open palm slap him in his face if he spoke to me that way.
	And watch his, who's the X-Men character with the hair?
	Watch his, what the hell is that guy's name?
	The X-Men character with the Hoagland hair and the chops on the side of his face.
	Oh, Wolverine.
	Yeah.
	Watch his Wolverine haircut get disheveled as his head whips around to the side.
	I don't like him.
	It's just that back in the day when I would hear him on Art Show, I didn't ever actively listen to any of Art's broadcasts where Hoagland was on.
	The only time I have ever heard Hoagland on art show and enjoyed it was when Hoagland was on during the dark matter era back in 2013.
	But then again, I was in Morocco and I was sick with some sort of an exotic mystery virus that turned my internal organs into liquid bilge.
	You had the junta virus?
	I don't know what it was.
	It was some sort of horrible African virus that white men are not physiologically equipped to handle, apparently.
	And so I was sort of a captive audience.
	I remember being in the bathroom just lying on the floor in the shower with the water falling on me, listening to Hoagland on our show talking about George Nori and his limp noodle or whatever it was he said.
	That was a pretty good appearance for Hoagland, I have to say.
	But my point is this.
	It doesn't at all, based on my assessment of Hoagland, listening to him all of these years, it wouldn't at all surprise me if everything that's being publicly said about the situation pertaining to Saucy Rossi is true.
	It's just that I feel like whoever's making these comments behind the scenes should own their comments.
	I feel like they should own that they could come, they should come out publicly and say, hey, this is who I am, and this is what I'm saying, and here's why I'm saying.
	And I don't like this shadow campaign bullshit behind the scenes, all this gossipy, just high school click bullshit that is going on with people just lobbying all these accusations against people and not announcing who they are in the course of doing so.
	It just stinks to me.
	And I saw it on the Art Bell thread the other night and I finally said, how do we know any of this is even true?
	For days and days and days, I'm seeing people going on and on and on about how Saucy Rossi was so horribly mistreated by Hoagland, but no one within that organization has actively come out and owned those comments.
	So how do we know any of that's true?
	That's what I said.
	And I realize that there are a lot of people out there holding right now who are saying, well, I've got my private message, so I know it's okay.
	Well, that's great for you, but this is a forum that's used on a daily basis by thousands of people.
	So your PMs that you're getting just aren't really doing the rest of those people any good.
	Meanwhile, this narrative continues to be publicly pumped into the forum regarding Hoagland and how horrible he was to Saucy Rossi.
	I'm sure Saucy Rossi would love to tell us, but I think he's just trying to avoid all the drama.
	You know, all the drama everywhere.
	I'm looking in the chat room and I look up about halfway and someone types Wolverine.
	I'm just people, there's like a 30-second delay.
	Plus, I'm not even looking at the chat as I'm sitting here yammering into this microphone.
	I look at it.
	I just see Wolverine.
	People trying to help me in my stupor here as I attempt to host a radio show.
	Thank you in the chat room.
	That's very kind of you.
	But Chefist had things taken care of there for me.
	Well, I don't know.
	Look, Saucy Rossi was Hoagland's producer.
	And so he's open to these observations that people are now making about the whole situation.
	That's what he accepted in becoming Hoagland's producer.
	And I just have to say that it's, I don't know, the impression I'm getting from what people are saying to me is that it's Saucy Rossi going around saying these things about Hoagland behind the scenes.
	And if he's saying those things behind the scenes, he has to know that that is going to be discussed publicly on the forum.
	Yeah.
	I mean, how could he not know?
	I mean, Saucy Rossi, babe, love you, but you know, that's what, that's the impression I'm getting.
	I mean, who there aren't a whole lot of people in this universe that it could be, and you're kind of the guy closest to the whole situation.
	Yeah, and if it's not that, he could come on and tell us that it's not that.
	He wouldn't have to tell us what it was, but he could say it's not that.
	He hasn't said it's not that.
	Well, maybe that speaks volumes.
	I don't know.
	But I just feel like, hey, let's just go ahead and own these comments.
	I mean, if these comments are going to be spread privately behind the scenes among multiple people, knowing that eventually it's going to, I mean, you are on a forum full of degenerate douchebags.
	I mean, you know that if you tell enough people something on this forum in private, it is going to work its way into the public forum.
	MV, you're too important.
	It's plausible deniability.
	You cannot know.
	That's the irony of the whole thing.
	I have no idea.
	I am so out of the loop.
	I didn't receive any private messages.
	As soon as Saucy Rossi, I will tell you this, as soon as Saucy Rossi made his announcement, public announcement that he was no longer going to be the producer, I sent him a message and I said, so what's the minutes after he posted that, I sent him a message and I said, so what's the real reason you're quitting?
	And all he said in response was, love you, MV.
	And I said, well, you can tell me when you're ready.
	But that was the last interaction I've had with him pertaining to the matter.
	That's the extent of any conversation I've had with him on the matter.
	But having people tell me, just send, I've had multiple people now tell me, just send Saucy Rossi a private message.
	He'll fill you.
	So, I mean, okay, that seems pretty clear.
	At this point, I think I've got a full picture of what's going on here.
	That's how I am assessing the situation.
	So I don't know.
	But you know what?
	The most important thing is that the new producer for The Other Side of Midnight is really killing it.
	Is he?
	Is that sarcasm?
	They booked a fabulous guest last night.
	The guest last night, oh, it's amazing.
	He's owned a shortwave radio station for the past 30-some years.
	Imagine the wonderful questions you can ask him.
	Is it one of those shortwave stations that you get from a Sea Crane transmitter that you can hear in your backyard as you're mowing the grass?
	I think that was hope for it's some freaky old ham operator living in the swamps of Florida.
	Well, is it someone who will work for free?
	I think that's the big question.
	That's about it.
	Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
	And you know what?
	Again, Saucy Rossi, great guy, all that stuff.
	But I have to apply the same standard here that I did when we were talking about the whole Leo Ashcraft thing.
	Leo Ashcraft was out there with his song and dance playing poor mouth, talking about how he did not get paid.
	And I said, listen, when you get into these things, you don't go in without having all that stuff nailed down before the fact.
	You go into these things.
	It is business.
	You know what you're getting into before you get into it.
	You have all those terms ironed out.
	You anticipate growth of the organization and how that growth is going to affect your rate of pay.
	You anticipate all that stuff.
	And there's nothing left, nothing is ambiguous.
	Nothing is left up to interpretation.
	You get it all worked out.
	And if you get into this sort of thing and you're not getting paid, well, that's not something you complain about on the forum.
	That's something that you sue somebody for at that point.
	That's breach of contract.
	That's a violation of labor laws.
	Whatever it is, there are legal mechanisms with which you can deal with that.
	But if you go into a situation without that stuff being ironed out and knowing what you're getting into and what the terms are, a little hard to feel particularly sorry for that, I have to say.
	And I mean, I'm sorry if I'm angering anybody out there, but hey, this is a public situation that has been made public by the parties involved, and I am rendering commentary based on the observations I've made.
	And it's just that simple, regardless of who the personalities are or what my past friendliness with them may have been.
	That being Saucy Rossi, I like him.
	I don't know him.
	I like him, though.
	But I mean, these are the observations I'm making.
	I can't not say it.
	But it is a cautionary tale, especially for the people out there, which I think there's a little bit larger percent of people on Belgab that might be looking to be in the entertainment industry, whether that's in radio or television, what have you.
	It's a cautionary tale.
	Just be careful of what goes on and especially what people ask of you because they're going to use fame to trick you.
	They're going to use fame to blind you.
	They're going to use it to take advantage of you.
	Just be careful.
	Yes.
	The ultimate.
	Do you think that, I mean, was Saucy Rossi really not paid?
	I just can't believe that.
	And if he wasn't paid, I can't understand why or why there's no mechanism that he can use to rectify that.
	The reason I'd like to know is because I would like to know if there is a similarity between what happened to Leo and what happened to Rossi.
	Because it's odd that Leo tells a story and everybody gets angry with Leo, and then we hear a similar rumor about Rossi, and then everybody gets mad at him.
	Well, they're all images of checks.
	Brig, that is a wonderful observation.
	I am upgrading your Bellgab account to turbo mode.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Praise MV.
	Praise MV indeed.
	What were you saying, Chefist?
	I'm sorry.
	I was just saying, no, that is a great question to bring up, but there were images of checks of at least $4,000 to Leo.
	Leo clearly lied.
	So clearly lied.
	I mean, he never—Leo deliberately gave everybody the impression that he was paid something on the order of, what, $120 or $140 for his entire time there.
	I mean, he deliberately gave everybody that impression when in reality, it was closer to $5,000.
	Big difference, you know, between $140 and $5,000.
	I could use 5Gs right now.
	Anyone listening out there, if you've got 5Gs laying around, apparently 5Gs to Leo Ashcraft isn't even worthy of mention.
	But here at Van Diven Enterprises, if you're one of those people that just scoff at the, you thumb your nose at the notion of $5,000, send it over here.
	It will be put to good use, I can assure you.
	No, but let's say you're working on an oil rig in North Dakota in January, working your butt off for whatever pay you get, and he gets five grand for that crap he puts on the radio.
	Come on.
	Can you believe that?
	That's a lot of money for the crap he put out.
	He got that $4,800 just for selling a spot that ran a few times on a newly established internet broadcasting operation.
	I mean, wow.
	And I just can't imagine walking away from that.
	I mean, there was so much money to be made there.
	What a dope.
	I said that the last time we did the Leo Ashcraft show, which is what a dope.
	I can't believe he walked away from that kind of money.
	But yes, I do.
	Yes, we did have those check images.
	So Leo is verifiably a liar in that regard.
	But there do, as Brig points out, seem to be similar overtones to this whole thing.
	Just people walking away in a huff.
	Yeah.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Well, there's.
	And Hench Stone says Rossi is keeping it on the DL, but I don't know if that's the case.
	I mean, I have people telling me, just send Rossi a PM.
	He'll fill you in.
	Well, I mean, if people are telling me to just send Rossi a PM and he'll fill me in, other people must also be being told that.
	So there's this whole shadow forum conversation happening behind the scenes, apparently.
	Yes.
	That in order to be plugged into, according to the people who've contacted me, one needs only send a PM to Rossi.
	Now, that doesn't look good.
	I mean, that does not look to me like the high road or any of that stuff.
	And maybe my maybe the impressions I'm getting as a result of all of that are totally off base and totally incorrect.
	I don't know.
	I can only base my conclusions on what I've seen.
	Plausible deniability.
	And someone in the chat, it's Poppel, says, I don't think Saucy was Ayala.
	The IP will reveal.
	The IP does reveal.
	The IP does reveal.
	But that's, I mean, that's all I'll say about that.
	I'm not going to say what it reveals, but I'm not going to say what that reveals, but it's perplexing, to say the least.
	But can we go back a little bit to the fact that I'm new here?
	I just really started in April before the Blitz.
	But the fact that you could be on this website and start posting in these, you know, it used to be called a bulletin board service, but in the threads.
	And to be subject to this type of insider gossip information is pretty amazing.
	I never would have thought that you can get that level of insight into how these businesses, these entertainment businesses work.
	It's just beyond me.
	It's pretty amazing that you can understand all this.
	And even when you look at Coast to Coast, the amazing things you learn about what happens over there, I just, it's fascinating to me that you can know all this.
	Well, what you have to remember is that no matter how professional an organization looks, it's still being run by people who take a dump once per day, you know?
	Right, exactly.
	It's still being run by people who take a dump once a day and occasionally view naughty websites.
	So you're going to have less than polished moments behind the scenes, and it's just a question of whether those are hidden from public view or not.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	This me?
	It is.
	Yeah, I can't hear the podcast, man, because my computer's crappy.
	So I don't exactly know what topic you guys were talking about, but was there any talk about Falkey?
	Not yet, but we had anticipated that there would be significant amounts of Falkey talk tonight because we were supposed to have Inglorious Bitch on the show and Jocko Johnson.
	She's been trying to call in.
	She's the one that you couldn't hear.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, she posted on the thread.
	She called like three or four times.
	Okay.
	And, well, what'll happen there is like three minutes before the show ends, it'll start working for her.
	And, well, that'll be that.
	Maybe what we'll try and do is get things worked out for her.
	She might have her mic muted.
	Very well, May.
	I mean, it could be something just as simple and silly as that.
	What we'll try and do is get things worked out for her well in advance of the next show so that she can be on.
	Caller, do you want to say who you are on Belgab?
	Yeah, this is A.K. Willie.
	Oh, hey, buddy.
	Yeah, I've heard some of the replays or whatever.
	I can play that.
	Now, A.K., you post a lot on the Falky thread, right?
	Absolutely.
	He says that so confidently.
	Absolutely.
	Like he's endorsing Folger's coffee.
	Now, we want to call these segments as the Mayo churns.
	These are the segments in which we talk about Falky as the Mayo churns.
	So now, AK, I go in there every once in a while and just check out what's happening.
	But the biggest question is, and I think a lot of people out there want to know, I think Falky broke up with Kathy and Bannister, kicked her out of the apartment.
	Is that true?
	Yeah, and that's kind of what I was calling about.
	I was worried about the big guy on this.
	How is this determined?
	Did he publicly state that he kicked her out?
	Yes, you know, it's been building.
	But my concern about it is, if you read his post now, and you know, I've had my heart broke, it sucks.
	But when I read Falki's post now, every one of them he talks about Kathy in it.
	I'm like, man, you've got to make it clean.
	Does he talk about her negatively?
	No, he just, her name just keeps coming up, and it's ridiculous.
	What about the cockroaches in the purse and cockroach eggs in the purse?
	Hey, getting away from the middle of the city.
	Oh, my God.
	What is this?
	What?
	Oh, she brought cockroaches in the house when she moved down.
	Oh, really?
	So he's lived in a festering dump for the last 58 years of his life.
	And blame Kathy for cockroaches.
	Suddenly, this pristine environment was corrupted by Kathy's intrusion.
	Okay.
	Exactly.
	But if you look at what the big guy's done just this weekend.
	I love the nomenclature.
	Go ahead.
	I'm digging this.
	Go ahead.
	It was his first weekend without cockroach Kathy.
	And my gosh, I go on there, I see a video he did about his NFL pics, and I'm a big gambler.
	That freaking guy almost nailed all his pics.
	It's like that George Costanza thing when he stopped having sex.
	Jigstore!
	No, wrong reference.
	I'm sorry.
	No, that's the way Falkie is now.
	He's all of a sudden got the future in front of him now that Kathy's out of the house.
	I've just seen an improvement in him just in this weekend.
	And I'm so scared that he's going to take her back because now he's talking about delivering a t-shirt to her at Raddy Patty's house.
	And I think that's just the wrong thing to do.
	Okay, Patty being the friend that both Falki and Kathy have had for like 40 years.
	They've known this lady.
	And they call on her anytime they need help, whether it's to move or whatever.
	They need a lift down to the welfare office or wherever it is they need to go.
	This Patty is there to pick up the slack.
	And then when she's not around helping them, they're just badmouthing her, right?
	Now, A.K. Willie, Cat Smile, says you're having a bromance with Falki.
	Well, you know, Falki is kind of, you know, I guess you would say, hmm, I'm not going to say a role model, but anybody that can not work.
	You know what?
	I just love hearing the sarcastic, trollish tone that I usually see in print form in the Falky thread suddenly brought to you in audio form.
	You go right ahead, A.K. Wooly.
	I really, this is entertaining.
	Well, and, you know, is this the MV that I'm talking to?
	No, this is Eddie Dean.
	Oh, Eddie Dean.
	Hey, man, you did the NFL show.
	That's great, isn't it?
	I'm a big sports fan.
	Carry on.
	Anyway, you don't keep up enough with what's going on with the Patty and Kathy situation.
	And, you know, I don't want to say anything terrible over the thing, but it was in a video that Patty might have raped Kathy at one point.
	And I'm not just saying that.
	It was in the video.
	What do you mean it was in the video?
	Footage of the rape taking place?
	No, this was in the Kathy's corner.
	Kathy was talking about this.
	Was it like what was the nature of the rape between these two women?
	Was it some form of scissoring?
	You know, I just got the gist of it, but I was kind of doing recon because I was at work.
	When did it take place?
	Was it in their younger years or was it today?
	No, this was quite a while back.
	So they were thinner, more spry and limber.
	So if there were some level of scissorage, they would be more readily able to carry it out.
	I guess.
	I mean, if you saw those two women now, there's no way they are going to scissor with ease.
	No, they would just layer it.
	They're just going to kind of, you feeling that?
	No, I'm not either.
	Well, give me a pillow.
	Let me see if I can.
	That's just not going to work.
	No, and plus, you'd have to have a third person to hold the belly.
	I think you would need a pool.
	Yes.
	So, A.K. Willie, let me ask you this.
	Is Falke, is he winding down?
	I'm kind of getting that impression.
	You know, he stopped.
	He slowed down with his pose.
	But now that Kathy is gone, I think he can reach his potential.
	I really do.
	I mean, you know, he can go gold pan whenever he wants now.
	He can clean.
	He can, you know, I mean.
	Kathy always was the reason he's not keeping things clean.
	I will concur.
	But what did he do with the milk crate full of toilet paper and bowls of soup?
	Have we found that out?
	I don't believe there's been any progress in that area, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
	Because now, do you think that the milk crate has the bowl of soup just in preparation for whenever he wants to eat?
	Well, you know, when it comes to people's bathroom issues, I'm the last person to judge anyone on that.
	See, we were all told you were the first.
	I get incorrect information as host of this show all the time.
	We need new producers.
	No, no.
	Okay.
	Well, I would hope that at some point Falkey might be able to call in and either validate or invalidate some of the things that A.K. Willie has brought to the show here today.
	I would hope that Kathy herself might eventually be able to call in.
	That's one thing that I do feel has been to some extent lacking from the show is some occasional Falke information being imparted upon the listener out there.
	I mean, it is a major component of what happens on Bell Gab on a day-to-day basis.
	So I'm not totally averse to the idea of it being discussed on this show.
	I think that actually from here on, here's part of the new direction of the show: 98% Falkey content.
	Go.
	Yeah, I agree because there's other issues.
	And this is season six, I believe.
	And so we needed an update on Area 51 drone because he has not been posting.
	At first, there was talk going around that he was actually on the road to try to find Falke and give him some type of trouble, some physical harm.
	But evidently, that didn't come to pass.
	But what has come to pass, though, is the driver's license fiasco with George Cinda.
	Because right now, George is trying to get his driver's license reinstated, and he's on some type of medical disability clause.
	Well, he's had like 12 mega strokes, has he not?
	Right, and he's saying he didn't have strokes, and he has these doctors saying he doesn't have strokes, and he's trying to convince the DMV of this.
	So this is what's happening.
	Stocky walks up to you, squinting his one eye, taping his glasses to his forehead with duct tape.
	Are you going to buy his story that he's had no strokes?
	I don't think you're going to.
	Well, no, I mean, I wouldn't buy it.
	I think that's got stroke written all over it.
	Yeah, or, yeah, schizophrenia, dementia, whatever.
	But, yeah, I think that's what I'm saying.
	That's harsh.
	Yeah, so I think it's the harsh house.
	There's a lot of issues that have to be addressed.
	You notice the tone Chefist is speaking in right now.
	As soon as he starts talking about, he slips into that same faux-interested, faux sympathetic tone that the rest of those people on that thread.
	It's just hilarious.
	Watching that tone come to life as people.
	I care for my fellow man.
	Okay.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	This is Don Jacobs.
	I've recently become acquainted with George Senda.
	Yes.
	Now, what's your Belgab username?
	Do you want to say?
	I'm not.
	I'm not.
	Oh, come on.
	You're not a Belgab user?
	And you really are not a Belgab user?
	Well, tomorrow, George is going to help me sign up.
	But he's trying to dial in, too.
	But he is very broken up about Kathy Leaving.
	Very broken up.
	Okay, so why did she leave?
	Did she leave of her own choice or was she kicked out?
	She was asked to remove her person from the premises by George.
	Okay, so if he asked her to leave, why would he be broken up over her departure?
	Well, that's rather hard to say.
	Well, it seems like the obvious question.
	Well, sometimes he is and sometimes he is not.
	So he's confused.
	He's very confused.
	Very confused.
	I've been conversing with him over the last few days trying to help him come to a decision whether he wants Kathy back in his life or not.
	Now, sir, are you Falky Friend on the chat?
	Actually, I met him at Starbucks two days ago, and we had a long conversation.
	I've been to the alien restaurant before, and he had his alien shirt on, and we struck up a conversation.
	We have a lot of things in common.
	Oh, dear.
	Well, we're both rather big gentlemen, and we've both been through the mill with our mother.
	And actually, we live three blocks apart, but we had never met before.
	I'm two years younger than George, but in speaking with him, he actually had brought up, you said, Belgaby.
	Oh, come on now.
	You are pretending.
	I'm not buying this idea that you're not a Belgab user, sir.
	You've got it.
	I think you're White Crow.
	Bel Gabby.
	Belgabe.
	No.
	As I said, George will call in a little bit and put your mind at ease.
	White Crow, how did you change your voice?
	What are you using to change your voice?
	I've changed my voice.
	I'm not utilizing anything at present to change my voice.
	What street do you live on?
	What street?
	You said you live right next to Falke.
	What street do you live on?
	I live on 3rd Street.
	3rd Street?
	14 minutes.
	3rd Street?
	So, okay, so if I go look at a map of Falke's home and there's not a third street within walking distance of his home and millions of blocks.
	Three blocks.
	Okay, so if you go look, everyone on Belgab practically knows where George Cinda, a.k.a. Falkey, lives.
	Considering he posted his address.
	So if you go look at a Google Maps image of where Falke lives and you see a third street within three because that caller came up with that information pretty quickly So he's either you're gonna see a third street close to Falkey's house, which would validate what that guy is saying or you're not but all of you Bel Gabby users out there.
	Yeah, go do some research.
	There is an accusation here on the threads Frodo.
	Now, apparently Falky did have a homosexual lover.
	That was spurned.
	Sir, you are not.
	You're a friend, but not a not a sexual friend of Falky, correct?
	He's gone.
	Oh man, that would have broke it wide open.
	Now, where is this coming from?
	Is this something that's been posted on the forum?
	This Frodo says this sounds like Flaky's homosexual lover that kicked Kathy out.
	Is this?
	Oh, come on, it's right there.
	I don't know if it's that something that's been discussed.
	Is that something that's been discussed on the forum?
	There's been so much discussed it so we don't know.
	hi you're on the air hello this is white crow When I here's this call.
	When I call people, I generally like to put the put the phone in my shoe before I call.
	If you want to be on the show, the number to call is 623-242.
	Cast it is 623-242-2278.
	I am curious to see if anybody has gone to take a Google Maps, look at Falkey's neighborhood and see if there is in fact a third street within three blocks of Falke's home.
	That would go a long way toward validating whether that see, I don't think that's gonna turn out to be true, because I think that person was just trying to think quickly on their feet and they thought to themselves, okay, what's a street name that just about any town might have?
	Okay third, but this brings up a good point, you know there are a lot of people on that thread that tried to give Falkey constructive criticism.
	They're trying to help him improve his life so that he that he can be.
	They haven't given up on that yet.
	No, they're still trying to do it.
	I call them life coaches, so you know you get free life coaching at BELL GAB.
	You know what?
	There's a life coach who opened an office just down the hall from me here where I am right now and uh, I met this broad in the hallway just a she was.
	She had just opened her business, like two days before, and i'm right down the hall from her.
	She's opened a business right next to me.
	She's going to be seeing me on a routine basis and uh, I say, and i'm walking with my beautiful, cute little girl uh, and i'm like hi, how's it going?
	Are you?
	Uh this, is you just moved into this office here?
	Huh, that's you huh.
	And she's like yes, and i'm with a client right now.
	And she just looked at me as though she has never hated another human being as much as she hated In that moment, and then she just turned and walked into her office and closed the door.
	And this was just a few months ago.
	That life coach office is now closed, and I'm guessing it probably her personality probably didn't contribute at all to the demise of her business.
	I would imagine.
	If she would have been like Barfly walking out half-naked with a Paps blue ribbon, boom, best neighbor ever.
	I mean, if you're a life coach, that generally implies that you have some sort of a natural ability to navigate the obstacles one bumps into in day-to-day living.
	One of those is just like talking to other people face-to-face.
	And if you can't even manage that, you've got no goddamn business being a life coach.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	This is White Crow.
	This is White Crow.
	This is the real.
	That was totally you who called in a little while ago.
	Just admit it.
	No, no, no.
	Brick knows my voice.
	Brigg, this is white crow.
	Why are you talking even lower?
	Yeah, why are you trying to do an impersonation of yourself?
	I don't understand that.
	You're white crowing white crow.
	I'm so confused.
	I can't keep up with you guys tonight.
	So, White Crow, what's up?
	You're doing just great.
	Thank you, Sugar.
	Thank you, Sugar.
	That's all I've got to say.
	Really good show tonight.
	You think so?
	Thank you.
	Oh, yeah, it's great.
	Yeah, I think it would be interesting, you know, with the back and forth you and I have had the barbs, the butt hurt, you know, just over time.
	It would be fun just for you to come on one of these days and do a show just to see what the dynamic of that show happens to be, wouldn't it?
	Well, yeah, we'll try.
	No, we won't.
	But it would be fun.
	Goodbye.
	Click.
	Okay, was there anything else you wanted to talk about, or should we hang up on you now?
	Okay, well, I don't know.
	Was that white crow that we just heard?
	I'm going to take a quick co-host poll.
	Was that white crow who called a moment ago, Chefist?
	Yes.
	Brig, I think it was.
	I think it was too.
	I don't care what he says.
	I don't trust him any further than I can throw him.
	I'm sorry, Brig.
	What?
	I think he was disguising his voice.
	I think so.
	He calls in and he's doing an impersonation of himself.
	What a psychopath do you have to be to do to even know how you sound to do it.
	I can't do an impression of myself.
	Like, if I heard someone else doing an impersonation of me, I would be like, wow, those are the nuances someone picks up on.
	Wow, okay.
	I didn't even know I did that.
	So to do an impersonation of yourself, wow.
	What a disassociative psychopathic personality you have to have.
	But he is a banker.
	So he claims.
	But he very well may be.
	Again, one of the biggest Belgab contributors right there, White Crow, bag of money, that guy.
	If you want to be on the show, 623-242CAST, it is 623-242-2278.
	We'd be happy to take your call.
	You can talk about any of the things that we've discussed tonight.
	You could talk about something that you read on the forum that you want to bring up.
	It could be anything that you have seen or done or experienced on Belgab that you feel is worthy of some level of conversation.
	And that guy that called in a little earlier said that Falke was potentially going to call in.
	He may or he may not.
	It's been a long time since Falki's appeared on this show.
	On the threads, he posted Falky friend.
	He said, Falky's too shy.
	Falkey knows I would treat him fairly if he called in.
	He would.
	We would totally treat him great.
	He could call him a bad person.
	I would never be mean to him.
	The only time I get mean with him is when he won't shut up and let you finish a sentence.
	I mean, he just, and he, I think, will admit that that is perhaps a problem he faces in conversing with others is just being quiet for a little bit.
	But other than that, I'm always really nice to him if he's on.
	So, I don't know.
	Maybe part of his problem with regard to calling in is that he wasn't happy with how the Falkey co-hosting experience went maybe a year, a year and a half ago.
	I don't remember when that happened.
	Oh, that one show he was on?
	Yeah, where he was on for the entire show.
	And that was where the Mayo revelation came from.
	There were a lot of Falkey memes that were produced as a result of that show.
	And I think perhaps he's a little bit gun-shy about appearing because of that.
	But I have even offered Falkey, hey, I will sit here, I will connect with you over Skype, and then I will just sit here and run the board and bring callers on, and you can do the show entirely on your own by yourself, and you won't even have any co-hosts.
	You'll just come on and do it.
	He won't do it.
	What if he just went off and trumped us and took our own advice that we admitted on the beginning of this show?
	He finally got a gig with Norrie and he went silent.
	I've often thought, and I don't remember if I've ever said this on the show or not, but I've often thought how classically brilliant, how hilarious, how meta it would be if Falke is just a regular guy who is doing some sort of a performance art thing.
	And like he has, he has this big.
	Yes.
	And he has just this one area of his home that he's told his family, look, you need to stay out of here because this is where I do this whole theatrical thing where I pretend to be this mentally damaged hoarder from Martinez, California.
	And so you guys just need to stay out of here.
	The rest of the home is pristine and beautiful.
	He goes to a regular job every day where he works as an actuarial for Woodman of the World or whatever it is he does.
	But in reality, this is just some sort of a big performance art thing that he's doing where he's trolling all of us.
	And he is nothing like the Falkey that everybody has come to know and understand and in some cases appreciate or abhor on Belgab.
	What if you can eliminate how, yeah, eliminate Howard Stern, you become your own whackpack?
	These are the things I think about at night as I lie in bed wondering why my wife isn't with me right there.
	Why would you think of anything else?
	Why I'm living in the men's shelter.
	This is why I'm not having sex regularly any longer.
	The Falkey thread.
	I'm Michael Van Deeven.
	If you want to be on the show, the number 623242 cast, we'd be happy to take your calls.
	So I think we've gone deeply enough into Rossi Gate.
	At this point, I feel like I have a full accounting of everything that there is to know in that situation.
	Yeah, so far.
	Alongside Knight, Leo Ashcraft, is there even audio available of his premiere broadcast from last night, which again is supposedly a train wreck?
	Yeah, complete train.
	Rick, what were you saying?
	You can't find it?
	I can find no archive of it.
	Okay, so this douche nugget is going to purport himself to be art's biggest threat, art's biggest competitor.
	He's even going to go so far as to arrogantly refer to Art's show during Leo's broadcast as the other show, as if Leo's broadcast, as someone else put it on the forum, as if this guy has standing in any way to refer to Art's show as the other show, like they're on equal footing, and now that's how the other show is referred to.
	Everyone listening to Leo Ashcraft will just instinctively and inherently know, oh, yeah, he's referring to his competition.
	Art balloon.
	That brings up the point that last night they mentioned the other show so often and they actually created a soundbite where it goes, Want to take a ride?
	Well, that's the other show.
	They actually did that.
	So they actually promoted Midnight in the Desert more than Midnight in the Desert does.
	Wow.
	Leo Ashcraft's new show then is nothing more than the continuation of a temper tantrum, and it's going to be gone within a month or so.
	Watch.
	I mean, that can't continue.
	No radio station is going to pick that up.
	Falky's in the thread.
	Falky's in the thread.
	He has posted right now.
	Envy is not my friend.
	I will not call in.
	Of course, I'm not your friend.
	I don't know you.
	Don't tell me that any of these people are your friend, you douchebag.
	He showed me no respect last time.
	He just wrote.
	Okay, well, when you come on and present yourself in a way that's respectable, then maybe you'll be shown respect.
	But based on the way you conduct yourself on the forum and the things that you openly disclose about yourself, I'm not sure that that's necessarily going to get you a lot of respect in many circles.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	I was so Falki sucks.
	You think so?
	Yes.
	Why?
	Everybody loves him universally.
	Well, Falki's not logical.
	Well, that much is true.
	I mean, as you watch people on the forum attempting to give him life advice, attempting to impart upon him the most basic units of knowledge with regard to maybe not posting on a public forum that you're going to break the license laws in your state, the driver's license laws in your state, or just all the various things that people have tried to suggest to him that it's all routinely rejected by him.
	It is quite clear to me that he doesn't have a whole lot of logic.
	But Falki, I see that you're in the chat room saying that I'm not your friend.
	Does someone have to be your friend in order for you to call in and have a little chat?
	I mean, no, I'm not your friend.
	I don't know you.
	I've never met you.
	I'm sure I will never meet you.
	But for your participation in Bellgab, I would have no idea you exist.
	I am an acquaintance.
	But if you call in and you're respectful to me, I'm going to be respectful to you.
	The only time I've not been respectful toward you is when you've called in and been rude and interrupted people and shouted at people.
	That's when I've been less than respectful.
	And any information that was divulged on the show when you were on was divulged by scratching my chin.
	I wish there were a cam here.
	I wish this were a video podcast so you could see my fingers on my chin.
	Oh, yeah.
	Divulged by you.
	So, you know, what am I supposed to do with that?
	Not my fault.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	This is White Crow.
	Star Mountain, if you could not be clearing your throat when I answer you in the future, that would be no.
	I'm kidding.
	Okay.
	Star Mountain, how are you, sweetie?
	Hi, I have nothing to say except this is White Crow.
	I just said that.
	Well, I think that is as valid a contribution as anything else anybody else has brought to the show.
	So thank you for that.
	And I think you're white.
	I wasn't calling in earlier doing the White Crow in the chicken.
	No, it wasn't.
	You have white crowed the show better than has ever been done in the past.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Where's Miami?
	What do you think about the whole Saucy Rossi thing?
	Do you have any thoughts on that?
	As far as I know, I've always liked Saucy.
	I think everybody likes Saucy Rossi.
	And I don't think he would pull one over on us that just doesn't sound like him.
	So, yeah, I was the one who pulled my other side of midnight subscription.
	It was a little hard on my budget, Andy.
	You know what?
	I tripled up my subscription when this happened.
	I don't know.
	That's just me.
	That's what I did.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Joke.
	Failed.
	I was going to say, at least then you could make up for my pulling it and everybody else who did.
	I added 83 new subscriptions for myself.
	I'm paying $12,000 per month to listen to Richard C. Hoagland.
	I just want to do my part.
	I'm no freeloader over here at Vandaven Enterprises.
	Cut the torsion field.
	You know what?
	I have 19.5 Richard C. Hoagland subscriptions.
	Is it actually called Club 19.5?
	Yes, it is.
	Oh, my.
	Wow, that was just a goof for a long time.
	But they really went for it.
	I'll bet you that was Saucy's idea to call it that.
	Cat smile in the chat room.
	Well, there's Norm Tuck that says Star Crow, and then Caspa goes, White Goff.
	There you go.
	Well, thank you for white crowing the show.
	You did it flawlessly, better than perhaps has ever been done.
	Better than even White Crow himself, who called in and creepily did an impression of himself.
	I'm going to get in trouble.
	Yeah.
	I just, I'm a little troubled by White Crow's ability to impersonate himself.
	I think that that comes from a psychologically dark place, I believe.
	We're going to be wrapping this up here in just a little bit.
	623-242-CAST, 623-242-2278.
	If you want to be on this show, I really don't have anything else to talk about.
	People have been complaining that the mark all posts as red button is missing on Bellgab.
	I think that's fixed.
	So if there's still a problem in that regard, please let me know somehow, some way, and I will proceed to ignore your messages and not respond to them.
	And let's see.
	It seems like there was something else I wanted to make everybody aware of, but I can't think of what it was.
	It's late.
	I'm tired.
	It's been a long day.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Who's this?
	This is White Crow.
	I believe you.
	I do too.
	Say something.
	What's up, buddy?
	I'll sit here.
	I don't care.
	I've got all night.
	I don't really have all night, but I don't mind the dead air.
	Okay.
	It's relaxing.
	Actually, it is.
	You know what?
	That was relaxing.
	It was just sort of like.
	It was like that painter on PBS, that guy or the guy with.
	Yeah.
	I just sort of imagined a nice deer suckling water from a lake.
	We're just going to put a little doer right over here.
	Yeah.
	Little doer.
	Hi, Jasmunda.
	Hi.
	How are you?
	I'm fine.
	How are you?
	Good, thank you.
	Hey, Jazz.
	Hi, Jazz.
	Hi, Brig.
	Hi, Sheffist.
	Yeah, I just wanted to clear up anything.
	Ooh, more clearing.
	Very clearing.
	That, you know, I made a post in the Gapcast thread, and I think you said that it backed you in a corner.
	And I've spoken to you about these privately, but and I think.
	But it wasn't me you spoke to.
	I don't know who you talked to.
	I spoke to a son of the computer.
	I don't know.
	But I just wanted to let it be known that I didn't write that post to back you into a corner.
	It was innocent post to get you to elaborate on what the future was.
	Rereading it, it does look like it was probably backing you into a corner, but my intention was not that.
	You are a dirty son of a bitch.
	And I know, I just hope that there's no butt hurt on the part of any parties involved here.
	You, Punny Boy Sunset, anyone else.
	I want to, I'm actually, it's going to be really upsetting if any of you from this point forward make less of an effort to be on the show.
	That's not what's supposed to happen here.
	So I hope that that's not going to wind up being the case.
	I hope all of you continue to be heard on the show and that everybody goes on being friends.
	Well, this is Belgab after all, so butthurt will always apply.
	You know what?
	That is, I mean, if there weren't occasional moments of butthurt, I would feel as though some aspect of the spirit behind the forum had been eroded in some way.
	Would that mean that no one cared if there wasn't butthurt?
	Yes, it would.
	Actually, that would be more bothersome, actually.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	That would be.
	Well, Jasmunda, you can stop sending out the Photoshops of me.
	I feel like we have addressed everything.
	And no, I, you know, I just hope everybody's friendly and everybody goes on as they did.
	Me too.
	And you can catch myself, Folky, and Leo Ashcraft nightly.
	Nightly, he won't say where or in what context, but nightly.
	You will see the three of them if you're in the right place at the right time.
	Maybe it's in the form of a broadcast.
	Maybe it's standing at the desk of a hotel.
	I don't know.
	But one thing about the forum that I will bring up, I was reading the help section, and I see that there's an issue about commas in names and not being able To ignore users that have a comma, so I would like to formally request that my name be changed to a comma.
	I think even more perplexing would be if you changed your name to comma jasmunda or just jasmunda comma.
	That would just really can you imagine how much that would annoy some people just to see an out-of-place comma surrounding your display name.
	I think that's the way forward.
	I encourage actively every you know what there have been times I've thought about just disabling the ignore user function because I kind of feel like and I know there's a collective oh no, but really I kind of feel like you sort of need to take in the experience in its entirety or not at all.
	You know what I mean?
	It's just like I'll say that I once ignored one person and I must say it made me look at their posts every single time they post because how can you not click on one of their posts when it's like staring you in the face saying click here to see their posts that is and that's another problem is the fact that the ignore system on Bellgab is actually woefully inadequate.
	The way it works is horrible.
	I agree with everything everybody said in the ignore user help thread where people are trying to figure out how to make that work.
	It's horrible.
	You shouldn't see the quoted posts from people you've ignored.
	You shouldn't see something saying click here.
	It's like when someone you're sitting in a room and someone says I'm leaving but while I'm gone do not open that door and they point to a door and then they just walk out and they don't elaborate.
	Well, you know what?
	You're sitting there about four hours in and you're playing your Xbox and you keep looking over at that door and then going back to the TV and then you keep looking at it and finally, you know what?
	Fuck it.
	And you have to get up and open the door.
	And that's what that click here to see post.
	That's what that represents.
	It's just not good.
	We'll keep Jasmunda here.
	Hi.
	I don't know if it's relevant, but the thread has devolved in talking about fisting.
	Which thread?
	I mean the live channel.
	Pardon me.
	Well, you know, that is what chat rooms were back in 1968 when the chat room was invented.
	The inventor said, you know, if we could just come up with a medium where people could readily talk about fisting, that's what I've been working on.
	PhD being put to good use.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	This is white crow.
	You're so adorable.
	Could you send me a picture of yourself to go on my wall of ingrates?
	The Delgad wall is so adorable.
	Does it need to be glossy?
	I don't do glossy.
	Well, I do, but.
	But it's easily wipeable if it's glossy.
	I just got that joke.
	It took me a moment.
	I'm a little slow.
	Again, it's been a long day.
	Okay, so that I think is going to do it.
	Jasmunda, I don't know what it is.
	Your headset sucks tonight.
	I don't know if this is what you normally are on the show with.
	No, I'm at work since I was fired from the gap cast.
	It sounds like you're using one of these musical shakers.
	Like you're like, you're not.
	I don't want any bad blood with anybody on the show.
	I just want everyone to, I didn't mean to do it.
	It really sounds like you're putting together a musical production as you're speaking to me.
	Or a voodoo.
	I'm just using my phone's headset, which seems to be good enough for Art Bell, but obviously not for you.
	She had a thing twice.
	Get you right by me.
	Okay.
	Bye, Jasmunda.
	Bye, good.
	Thanks, buddy.
	That was Jazz to the Munda calling in.
	And I think that is going to be a wrap.
	Two hours.
	We did a two-hour show.
	How about that?
	Thank you, Brig.
	I'm so glad you were on the show tonight, Brig.
	I love you.
	There's a certain something about you that you just know Brig is a nice woman.
	Positive energy.
	And Chefist, well, Chefist was here too.
	I'm Michael Vindium.
	Have a good night.
	No, I'm good.
	Thanks, everybody.
	Chefist, Brig, you guys were both lovely.
	It was a great show tonight.
	Thanks to everybody who called in, even the people who white-croed us.
	That was great.
	I am interested to see if there is a third street anywhere near where Falkey lives.
	And I will definitely work on being more respectable toward Falke.
	That's somewhere I've been lacking as a human being in my continuing process of bettering myself.
	So that's something I'm going to work on.
	You'll see the change.
	Just watch the form.
	You'll see the change in me.
	I promise.
	Everybody, thank you.
	Have a good night.
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	Have a good night.
	We will see you, I guess, next week, okay?
	Bye.
	Good night.
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