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28 July, 2015

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	This is the Gap, a podcast about bellgap.com.
	Call the show now at 623-242-CAST.
	That's 623-242-2278.
	Now, shut up, sit down and listen to the damn show.
	Shut up, Daniel!
	No, you shut up.
	And listen to the show.
	That's good advice.
	That's good advice.
	Wow, I can hear myself.
	And I always forget to fade the music.
	Okay.
	Hey, everybody.
	Welcome to the Gabcast.
	What's up, man?
	What's going on?
	Hello.
	I'm Eddie Dean.
	We've got Onin, Redacted, and Jazz Munda with us tonight.
	Can you guys hear me?
	Yes, we can.
	Okay.
	Coming through.
	It looks like we are streaming.
	Boy, I got to say, after just a couple weeks off the air, there's nerves and there's kind of anticipation before you go on air a little bit.
	So I don't know what to say about that, but it's there.
	I thought that I was a broadcasting professional and everything was going to be fine and just start the show and it wouldn't worry about anything.
	But damn.
	Hi, everybody.
	Welcome to Gab Cast.
	If you guys would like to call in the show tonight, the number is 623-242-2278.
	Again, that's 623-242-CAST, C-A-S-T.
	So, how are you guys doing, my fellow co-host?
	Just Peachy.
	Strange and wonderful days.
	Yeah?
	Jazz, how are you doing?
	I'm doing great.
	I couldn't be better.
	Belly's back.
	I bet.
	I mean, there is a party happening all over Bell Gab, and it's called the Midnight in the Desert Art Bell Show, you know?
	So do you guys have any thoughts about any favorite shows or any observations about what you think about Midnight in the Desert and how art's doing?
	Yeah.
	Yeah?
	Okay, go ahead.
	I really don't want to jump in and go first, but yeah.
	You've volunteered.
	Okay.
	You know, I listened.
	I even started listening to some of the Sirius XM shows again just to kind of see if what I was hearing was different.
	And to me, it is different.
	And I don't know what that difference is, but I listen to him now and I'm thinking like, this is the Art Bell that I remember.
	And I've only been able to listen to three of the new shows.
	And I've really enjoyed all of them.
	Even the one with the physics guy that I disagreed with, I still thought it was an entertaining show, and I enjoyed listening to it.
	So there's that.
	One of my favorite shows.
	Really?
	Harriman was great.
	I really, really like it when the shows have so much science that I get a headache.
	I like it.
	It's hard to follow, right?
	Yes, it was really hard to follow.
	I'm looking up stuff throughout the interview.
	You know, he mentioned something.
	Oh, I have to look that up.
	What is he talking about?
	And I'm trying to understand it.
	And he started talking about warp drive.
	That's all you have to do to get my eyes sparkly.
	Has he ever been on the show before?
	Not that I'm aware of.
	I've heard that he's been on the other show, but I don't think he's ever been on with art.
	Yeah, I don't believe he has been.
	But you can see how Onin didn't really like that show and Redacted did.
	And it just goes to show when you're in the live threads, there's people who don't like the show and people who love it.
	And then the next night, those people who loved it hate it and vice versa.
	So we've got a lot of sort of, and that's good.
	It's good that people have differing opinions on things.
	I too like the science type shows.
	And if I'm honest, I mean, I enjoyed the show from what I was listening to.
	You know, it's hard to follow, especially a heavy science show like that, where there's a lot of abstract ideas and things that, you know, we might not might not be common knowledge to regular people like us.
	But it's hard to follow that stuff, especially when you're dividing your attention and, you know, reading a bunch of posts on Belgab in the live threads, the live chats.
	Is that what they're calling them now?
	Live chat threads or live threads?
	It's the live thread.
	Yeah, get it right, Eddie.
	I'm sorry.
	I've been away.
	I find it's quite hard to sort of keep up.
	How are you guys feeling with listening to the show and also trying to keep up with the thread?
	Well, I'm kind of lucky in that regards in that when he's on, generally I'm asleep.
	So I don't have to compete when I listen to it because I listen to it on my drive to work the next day.
	But I stayed home.
	I was off and I was able to listen to the Nassim Haram, whatever his name is, show live.
	And I was in the thread, and it made it so much more difficult to listen.
	So I think what I'm saying there is that when I am listening live, I probably won't be in the thread because it's just too hard to keep my concentration.
	Yeah, because that's, you know, it starts at midnight on the East Coast, and he's not done until 3 a.m.
	And for people who work early in the morning like you, it's difficult to stay up.
	Yeah, I'm usually up by 4 in the morning.
	So going to bed at 3 doesn't make a lot of sense.
	I've noticed that.
	And notice, Onan, you post on Bellgab quite often, very early in the morning, 4 a.m., 3 a.m.
	I always wondered if you had trouble sleeping or if you just get up really early for— I just get up real early.
	I actually sleep pretty well.
	But I do think that I'm starting the unit of the cat burglar hours.
	I have to be careful.
	Right.
	You know, Art does seem to have a lot of energy and he's sounding great.
	I think he sounds better than what he did on Sirius.
	I agree completely.
	And, you know, bringing in new blood like that, the guest that we were talking about.
	I'm not even going to attempt to say his name.
	What was his name?
	Nassim?
	Nassim Haramim.
	Nassim, easy for you to say.
	But, you know, it's good that he's bringing in new blood, but, you know, there's going to be a lot of people that say, well, who the hell is this guy?
	And, you know, because he hasn't been vetted a million times, you know, over the past 15 years or 20 years of Art Bell fans.
	You know, so I suspect that people, and people were criticizing him quite a bit in that thread for being a, you know, snake oil salesman or heretic or, you know, pseudo-scientist.
	And I didn't do any Googling on that guy.
	So I don't know if that's true or not.
	Did you guys do any background checks, I guess?
	To see if he has traffic tickets or, you know, things, any horrible things in his past.
	I usually don't do that kind of thing when I'm just wanting to listen to a radio program.
	But I've noticed even for tried and true guests like Linda Howe that was on, there was still some people that didn't like her.
	There's been people that had bad things to say about every single show.
	There's been people that had great things to say about every single show.
	And that just, you know, it goes to show that Art Bell gets people talking.
	Well, I'm there really to listen to art.
	Like, I think even the worst guests, he brings something out of it.
	He engages with them.
	He has a conversation with them.
	He's not, you know, you really listening to art, you really can make a direct comparison to the other guy.
	And I mean, there is no comparison because art, his interview technique and style is just way ahead of anyone that I've ever heard.
	Whatever.
	Please, George.
	Keep thinking that, George.
	Just keep thinking that.
	You've angered the soundboard, Jasmunda.
	Sorry to tell you that, sir.
	That's what you're trying to do on the Gabcast is we try to piss off the George Murray soundboard.
	I mean, we say it over and over again about art, about how he can ask a question and he's not just going to go on to the next question that's written down.
	He listens.
	He forms the next question based on what has just been discussed.
	And he's really, he sounds like he's interested.
	And I don't think you can fake that.
	I think I posted something in the chat threads where I could actually hear Art's wheels turning in his head while he was trying to understand a point of and he was working it through.
	He was asking questions here and there in order to get the guest to answer his question to his satisfaction so he can follow along.
	So he's, you know, he's right in there into the interview and into the ideas and digging deep into it.
	So both he and the listeners can understand what the ideas are that the guests are trying to put forward.
	I don't know that I completely agree with that, but certainly enough that I'd say, yeah, okay.
	Really?
	So you think it's all just kind of an entertainment kind of thing or what we're doing?
	Well, no, I think art has, no, no, Art has a wonderful gift of communication.
	And he really does know how to dig and get information out of people.
	But what I've noticed over the years is that he's a pretty smart guy, but his level of knowledge and science, he has a lot of areas where he thinks he understands something and he really doesn't.
	And quite honestly, I'm guilty of that shit sometimes too.
	But I would really have loved to had Sean Carroll or I forget Green's first name, those two physicists on to really explain some of the scientific stuff that was going on in that conversation.
	Because I don't think, I think when everybody walked away from that conversation at the end of the night, people that don't really have an understanding of physics probably have a lot of things wrong.
	That was Brian Green, by the way.
	Yes, that's who I meant.
	I actually have his book right in front of me, The Fabric of the Cosmos.
	And I got through about three quarters of it.
	I mean, it's tough reading.
	It's difficult to get through that kind of stuff because it's heavy science shit.
	Is that the correct term, heavy science shit?
	Can I say that?
	That's the technical term.
	It's heavy.
	I can't think about it.
	I think it's actually quantum shit.
	Wow, they can communicate light speed.
	They could tell which way the steak is blowing, I guess.
	You know, Sean Carroll was on one with an interview with Art Bell, and Art Bell was trying to tell him that he didn't understand something.
	And Sean Carroll's response was, well, for some of this, you really have to understand math.
	Oh, I'll tell you.
	But it's true.
	Yeah, it is.
	It is true.
	But he, you know, I imagine from the physicist's point of view, they work with this stuff every day.
	They're working out their theories all the time, their papers.
	We are normal, everyday people running our normal, everyday lives.
	It's very foreign to us.
	But to them, they're immersed in it every day.
	And I imagine from their perspective, you know, why don't you understand this?
	It's just warping the fabric of space and time to propel you into warp drive.
	Why is that so hard to understand?
	Well, some of the ideas are really complex, too.
	And you need to have a certain understanding of certain basic principles in order to take it to the next step.
	And then once you learn that, you take it the next step.
	So yeah, I can understand why it's difficult for the regular person to understand different things where you need some sort of a basic knowledge about how things work first before you can understand these theoretical ideas that you're trying to put forth.
	That's why one thing that I hate is when you ask a simple question, or maybe not a simple question to us, but how does warp work?
	Or why can't we transport a person from one place to another?
	And there's really, you know, you get into these long, convoluted answers that after the second or third sentence, you don't know what the hell they're talking about.
	And you just kind of nod, say, oh, okay.
	Yeah, sure.
	That answered sense to me.
	Yeah, you start to get lost, and that's when you're smiling and nodding.
	Okay.
	At the same time, I don't want to take everything away from this guy, Nassim, because I remember listening to Richard Hoagland a long time ago and being caught up in the fantastical.
	And I loved it, you know.
	So there's nothing wrong with listening to a show where the science might not be completely right, but the concepts that he's talking about are fun as hell.
	So there's that as well.
	Well, speaking of fun as hell, how about that Open Lines last Friday?
	That was great.
	That was so much fun.
	I normally do not really enjoy Open Lines, but I got to say, I really enjoyed that show.
	It was a great show.
	It was a lot of fun.
	There were a couple of times I had big smiles on my face.
	One was when Jazz called in.
	Oh, that was a great call, Jazz.
	I loved your story.
	I hated it.
	Good.
	Why do you hate my three-year-old daughter?
	To be honest, I can't remember what your story was, Jazz.
	I followed it.
	It was about red eyes.
	Yeah, my daughter's room has a, well, it's a fairly new oil heater, and it has two little red lights on it.
	And she comes screaming into our room in the middle of the night, wakes us up.
	I take her back to her room.
	And before we got there, she mentioned that the monster has red eyes.
	And then I walk in and there are actually two red eyes staring at me when I walked into the room.
	I can just picture the color running right out of your face the instant she said that.
	Yeah, and I think I said on the air that I was, you know, if I wasn't plastered in my spot, I would have left it, ran away and left if I did.
	Yeah, I think I made out of that.
	I made you see, like, I let her fin for herself.
	I came across Hasha.
	I can just see you kneeling down, looking at her, saying, Honey, I love you, but you're on your own now.
	Yeah, yeah, every man for himself.
	I will tell mom you love her.
	Interesting thing about that.
	I was going over the news a couple days after that and noticed that on the top of the Washington Monument, there's two little red lights, and I instantly thought of your story.
	All right, we got a caller on the line.
	Hello, you're on the air.
	What's your name?
	Hey, guys, how you doing?
	Hey, Fearless One.
	What's up, man?
	Hey, what's going on, guys?
	Your voice is very easily recognizable.
	Yeah, we've got your number now, man.
	We got you pegged, brother.
	What's going on?
	I was going to tell you, I was listening to that in the same interview the next day at work and had my headphones on.
	I was sitting in my office there, and I was kicked back, listening to it.
	And when he got to the part where he was talking about, you know, this drive system for this warp engine, I started instantly hollering out, oh my fucking God, it's Bob Lazar shit.
	That's Bob Lazar.
	There's like six people in the office out there staring at me like, what in the hell is that guy yelling?
	And I was like, you don't understand.
	You don't understand.
	Oh, my gosh.
	What other program can get you yelling at your radio like that?
	That's great.
	It was awesome.
	But, you know, I don't know.
	I listened to that guy.
	And, I mean, he seemed legitimate on some levels, some levels not so much.
	But you know what?
	That's what I enjoy about our bell.
	You know what I mean?
	He gets those guys that sound like crazy son of a bitches and engages them in conversation and brings some sense of realism to it.
	You know, I mean, that's all I really care about.
	Yeah.
	I don't really care if the science behind it's you know sound.
	I don't really care if it's real or not.
	I just kind of like the storytelling.
	So well, the important thing is, have you made a copy of this show and given it to Madman?
	I have not been in town but about two days, so I have not.
	All right.
	I think you need to do that.
	He would understand all this stuff.
	I've been traveling quite a bit in the last few weeks, so I haven't had any time to touch with him.
	I do know that Art talked to him for a fact.
	Do you think he'll go on the show?
	You know, I think he will.
	I haven't been like a sentiment and talked to him for it's been almost three weeks, four weeks now.
	So I don't see why he wouldn't.
	I mean, does he have a warehouse, George?
	I mean, I heard Art say he did.
	So I know the original warehouse he had all that shit set up in is not there any longer.
	I know that's been taken over by somebody else.
	So I don't know where his crap is now.
	And Art even gave a shout out to Madman during one of his commercials, one of his live reads, right?
	Or his pre-recorded commercials for something.
	Didn't he?
	The Time Traveler subscription commercial mentions Madman, yeah.
	So that should help if you know if Madman is listening.
	So, Fearless, do you know if Madman is listening?
	I guess you said you haven't talked to him, but yeah, I haven't talked to him since Art's been back on the air, so I honestly don't know.
	Do you think that he might be listening?
	I don't know.
	You know what?
	I got time this weekend.
	I'll swing by there and chat him up if he's home.
	So, yeah, find out for us and report back, please, sir.
	We need to know.
	Give him a copy of the Harrowing interview and let that get him excited.
	Yeah, I'll burn a CD off and take it down there and have him listen to it and see what he thinks.
	I said, I don't think he's got a computer in his house, so I couldn't give him a thumb drive.
	I mean, if he does, I don't know about it.
	So, well, would you just excuse me, sir?
	We're not promoting pirating on this show.
	Well, yeah, exactly.
	Okay, how about if I burn myself a copy and let him listen to it and take it back?
	Yes, that's better.
	All right, guys, let's go.
	All right.
	Hey, thanks for calling.
	There's a couple people that called in while Fearless One was on the air, and the lines are open right now.
	So if you'd like to call us and get through, the number is 623-242-2278.
	You know the number, so the lines are open.
	Go ahead, you guys.
	So, Onan, do you mentioned that you've been listening the next day?
	So, how have you found the whole time traveler downloading aspect?
	And has the fact that you aren't listening to the bumper music, has that had any negative effect on your listening habits?
	Not really.
	Although I'll tell you that there's a couple of parts where you can kind of hear the fade-out and the fade-in, and there's a little bit of music, and you're like, ah, shit, I wish I could hear that.
	And I always want to hear the chase.
	But having said that, no.
	Two things.
	A lot of people have posted that it's really difficult to make or listen to it after the fact.
	I didn't find it hard to listen to or hard to find the file to listen to.
	But I will say, and not that I want to be a big complainer here, but I don't know why it's broken into three parts.
	Because I'm driving down the highway and all of a sudden, you know, the first hour ends.
	I'm like, we're shit.
	Now I got to pull off the road and find the other one.
	No, you have to push a button.
	Now I have to push the forward button.
	Darn.
	It sort of reminds me about in the old days when you could buy the tapes.
	Didn't it used to say, this is the end of side one.
	Please turn over.
	In North Carolina, they're getting real, real touchy about doing anything with a cell phone while you're driving.
	And my work, if we're ticketed for any kind of cell phone use, we're fired on the spot.
	Wow.
	So we're taking it real serious.
	And so, yeah, for me to go from track one to track two, I have to pull over onto the shoulder, stop, and then start the sound, the second file, and then go on.
	Well, I noticed that other broadcasters do the same thing.
	Phil Hendry, to download his shows, you download one hour at a time.
	Yeah.
	That's just the way it's done.
	We have a caller on the air.
	Hello, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	What's your name?
	Where are you calling from?
	Hey, this is B-Dub.
	What's up, man?
	Hey, Dub.
	Calling from Ohio.
	What are you wearing, B-Dub?
	I'm wearing my knickers.
	Oh.
	What color?
	They're blue.
	You had to think about it.
	You shouldn't have to think about it.
	I've had to look.
	Are you colorblind?
	Are you colorblind, sir?
	You don't know what blue knickers look like?
	They're dark gray.
	Just don't pay that much attention to what color my knickers are.
	Please forgive me.
	I would have thought that you definitely had some JP bucklestones going and not.
	Well, I didn't say I didn't.
	But did they say Dark City on the butt?
	I would have to turn around and look, and I'm not that flexible.
	You can't turn around that fast to actually see.
	No, my spine is kind of rigid.
	Well, what's on your mind tonight?
	Well, about this Nassim fella, I have a hard time listening to these physicists and their future predictions because, gosh darn it, it's 2015.
	Where's my hovercraft?
	Where's my ray gun?
	Okay, everybody's talking about floating cars.
	All I want is my Betty robot.
	Well, that would be new too.
	But seriously, like, you know, I still stop for gas once every two days.
	We're living in pretty exciting times in terms of communication technology.
	We have the internet and we have all this access to data everywhere, but like basically to get in orbit, you still have to shoot a rocket off.
	It's basically just a giant chemical reaction, bottle rocket kind of thing.
	The space station is an efficiency apartment.
	And I don't know.
	It's just, it's frustrating for me to hear these people make these wild predictions and talk about all this cool stuff.
	And I'm like, okay, where the hell is it?
	Who's going to pay for it?
	It seems like those predictions are always 10 or 15 years out.
	No, no, no, no.
	And that was 10 or 15 years ago where they said, you know, flying cars.
	I can't remember who it was.
	By 2015, there's going to be flying cars all over the place.
	Here's the prediction that's 10 to 15 years out is like when they're going to fix the bridge down the street.
	Yeah, that's who.
	You know, they can't even pay for road repair.
	And somehow we're going to build this warp drive.
	They did build the Hadron Collider or whatever that at the CERN Collider.
	They're harshing my buzz, man.
	Well, you know, and as soon as I ask the question, I think of an answer.
	It's like, well, we did $1.5 trillion on this joint strike fighter that nobody seems to give a crap about.
	Nobody wants.
	That's just a giant form of white-collar welfare.
	That could have been put towards developing ray guns and hovercraft and robot maids.
	Why are our priorities as people so completely screwed up?
	Because of the people who are in charge of making those decisions.
	The shareholders at Lockheed Martin.
	Well, I think that there has been a lot of developments in alternative energy, and the people that make those developments are very efficiently and quietly silenced.
	Well, solar tech has made a lot of progress, but nuclear is basically at a standstill.
	I think a big chunk of that is because of the legislation that Carter introduced saying that, oh, no, no, no, we can't reprocess waste.
	We have to store it in Yucca Mountain.
	When I've been told that you could easily take that waste, reprocess it, and use it in a different type of reactor as fuel.
	Just seems kind of stupid.
	Well, they know how to do that on Voyager.
	They should talk to Captain Janeway.
	They know how to do that on Earth.
	Do we, really?
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's one thing that I think a lot of people don't know about President Carter is that he was a fireman on a nuclear sub.
	So he knows his physics.
	And that's part of the reason he passed this legislation is because he thought he was the smartest guy in the room back in the 70s.
	And he thought, oh, no, we need to put this stuff away.
	It's a place safe.
	Well, that got all his policies got completely dismantled after Reagan came in, right?
	All of them, I don't know if all of them got dismantled.
	Some of them definitely did.
	Some of the most progressive ones about saving energy and recycling and things like that.
	Well, yeah, with Reagan, it was all about we need to spend as much money on weapons as possible.
	And let's sell some cocaine so we can raise some money for the Contras.
	Yeah, Reagan is all about defense spending.
	I'm putting defense spending in air quotes because they don't call it the War Department anymore.
	It's defense.
	And again, that's the joint strike fighter, the one and a half trillion dollar plane that nobody wants.
	Right.
	See, we are just on such different wavelengths.
	I need to put three bug zappers in my yard, and I've got to find an electrician to come out and install them.
	I have no time for flying cars, my friend.
	Well, I'm guessing if you were to spend some quality time at Lowe's or what's the other home improvement store?
	Huh?
	Home Depot?
	Home Depot.
	Yeah.
	I'm sure they have a solar-powered bug zapper, which would eliminate the need for your electrician.
	You could just post them out in your yard.
	Bug zappers work best at night, sir, when the sun is down.
	They would have batteries.
	They would have batteries.
	Well, there's your ray gun right there, B-W.
	You can get a bug zapper converted into your ray gun.
	I'll get a taser that shoots that little electronic wire.
	And I'll just have to settle for that.
	Actually, I think the world's better off without ray guns.
	Like, we have enough problems with conventional firearms.
	We don't need people being disintegrated left and right.
	I would love to have a laser or a phaser.
	I really would.
	Because not only would I shoot you, but I'd go through you, the three houses that are behind you, and stop maybe at the rock behind that.
	Yeah.
	You really need to know your backstop when you're using a ray gun.
	Would that give you a sense of potency, sir?
	Well, at least for a while.
	What I really want is a lightsaber.
	I really want a lightsaber.
	Give me a lightsaber and I'll be happy.
	I still think there's people way, way, way above our pay grades that are making these decisions.
	And when a new alternative form of energy is brought to their attention, it's quietly silenced.
	I'll believe that until a clean form of energy is brought forward and allowed to be in use.
	But I think that this planet is going to suck up every last drop of oil until it's all gone.
	And then we have a problem.
	And that's the only time we're going to see an alternative form of energy be put into use.
	They're going to wait until it's an emergency.
	Go ahead.
	Yes.
	And there's never going to be a free source of energy because if you can't slap a meter on it to charge someone for it, they're not going to let it through.
	Yeah, it's not going to seem away today.
	I'm inclined to agree.
	Anything else, man?
	Oh, I'm done?
	Geez.
	Yes, you're not entertaining me.
	Away with you, sir.
	Well.
	Boy, I guess no, that's it.
	I'm joking, man.
	I don't mean to bum you out, P-Dub.
	We used to be jokey and friendy, and we used to.
	Well, that was when I was part of your clique.
	I'm not in the clique anymore.
	Oh, hit the bridge.
	You know what?
	I'm not even part of the clique anymore.
	I bought the wrong brand of t-shirt.
	Now I was voted off the island.
	Well, you wear blue mudruckers, sir.
	Yeah.
	Well, we can't all have rushed concert t-shirts, my friend.
	You know, I don't even own a rush concert shirt.
	Oh, sure.
	Hey, I've seen your Facebook profile.
	I own five of them.
	Rush them all.
	I think Rush sucks.
	So there.
	Hey.
	God damn it.
	Those are fighting words.
	Don't joke about.
	Jeez.
	They were great in 1980.
	And they're still rocking.
	I got to say, though, I was sitting next to the stereotypical 40-year-old Rush fan because, well, the first set of seats I was sitting in, you know, I was in the upper deck.
	I had shitty seats, okay?
	So the stage was about the size of maybe, I don't know, a piece of bread, you know, from my perspective.
	So it was pretty small.
	And as soon as the show started, this gal stands up right in front of me, and I couldn't see shit.
	And nobody else was standing up, just her, and she was rocking out, you know.
	And fuck.
	And so they did the intermission, and I found another seat a little bit further down, and I sat down.
	And the dude next to me was one of those guys that's like, Yeah, man, Rush!
	Rush, man, you guys rock!
	And he's like, I love you, Kenny Lee.
	He's like screaming and yelling at the top of his lungs, you know, throughout most of the first like three songs of the second set.
	And then he's so drunk, he nods out for a little while, which was a nice, nice break.
	And then he wakes up and starts screaming again.
	And then he takes off his shirt, and then he nods out a little bit, you know, a little bit longer.
	And then he, I mean, it was just, I'm like, oh, fuck.
	It was a lot of fun.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's my definition of fun.
	You know, you're getting old when you go to a concert and you just are praying that there are seats so you can sit down.
	Yeah.
	And that no one in front of you is going to stand up.
	Yes.
	That's the first clue.
	What's that, V Dub?
	I almost got into a brawl at a Peter Gabriel concert on 2012 because some of us wanted to stand and the people behind us weren't real happy about that.
	Really?
	What year was this?
	2012.
	Three years ago.
	So he was really in.
	He was doing his Inside the Globe where he walks upside down.
	Peter Gabriel?
	Yeah.
	No.
	I can't remember the name of that tour.
	It was actually really.
	He played with your expectations a lot.
	It started out as with the lights up and everything was acoustic.
	And then you're just like, so this is the concert?
	This is Peter Gabriel.
	You expect this massive production.
	But then at one point, the lights came down and the stage just lit up like a 4th of July firework.
	And then it got really dark and really industrial.
	And it was pretty interesting.
	But yeah, so I actually at one point someone actually put their hands on me and that's why I went and got security and said I'd been assaulted.
	And then they put me in the front row.
	There you go.
	Nice.
	Well, now, you know, to claim assault when you first get there.
	Yeah.
	I'll just start punching myself in the face in the parking lot.
	I've gotten up front that way many times.
	Hey, we got another caller here.
	Hello, you're on with B-Dub and the Gapcast.
	Hello.
	Hey, everyone.
	It's Saucy.
	Hey, what's up, man?
	Hey, Saucy, what's up, man?
	Saucy, Rossi.
	What's going on?
	Hey, so Onin.
	We got to talk.
	We got to talk, brother.
	Okay.
	I got to know what it is, why you think, and this isn't just you, I guess, but why everyone seems to think, not everyone, but people seem to think that Nassim was like some sort of snake oil salesman that was there to sell things and that he's a quack.
	Because like everything that he was saying were things that if you pay attention to the news or read a lot about all this stuff, are just things that are being reported on and things that are, you know, he was just connecting dots and speaking in layman's terms.
	He wasn't exactly, you know, very eloquent about anything he was talking about.
	But there was like nothing that he said that I was like, well, that's outlandish.
	That's crazy.
	You know, he's talking about a giant floating spaceship made of glass that's holding a library, you know, of our ancestors and, you know, Hoagland type stuff.
	He was just talking about, you know, the M-drive has been reported on Time magazine.
	Are you challenging me, sir?
	I am, brother.
	I am.
	And the other thing is he didn't even have a book to promote.
	Like, the classic guest on Arpell is, well, here's my book.
	Please buy it.
	Well, I wouldn't.
	It didn't even have anything.
	I will grant you that perhaps I was too harsh on my criticism about him.
	I couldn't really follow it and be in the threat at the same time.
	So a lot of my comments have to do more with what I've heard about him in the past.
	But just because someone doesn't have a book doesn't mean they're not getting a, what's the word? Freight pass.
	A bump of the thing.
	And there's not a doubt in my mind that he boosted his credentials to go on other speaking gigs and make money.
	Oh, for sure.
	But there's a difference between, well, what he says outside of art show and what he says on our show, I think is where I'm kind of drawing a line.
	I can't really hold somebody to the fire if he wasn't saying that stuff on art show.
	If I didn't, you know, hear it, then you'd have to go and say, hey, you know, this guy's talking about a giant civilization of ooze people who've, you know, like are going around the stars and doing crazy stuff and whatever.
	But he wasn't.
	He was just talking about, he was like Google News for, you know, for science, essentially, is what he was doing.
	And making it interesting.
	Yeah, for quantum physics.
	And he made it interesting.
	He didn't seem to be like a regular kind of guy.
	I think he said a couple of phrases that I'm like, what?
	That doesn't sound like something that a scientist would say, like a well-respected scientist.
	And I'm not saying that he isn't a well-respected scientist, but he was just pretty casual, which was kind of not off-putting, but just kind of shocking, I guess.
	Well, now you've put me in an awkward situation.
	Now, I've got to go back and listen to the show that I really didn't want to.
	No, I don't think you have to do that.
	What I'd rather is, you know, I'm not trying to like, you know, throw down with you here more or less.
	No, I know that.
	I know that.
	I think there's like this prevailing thing that's going on with the past few weeks where people have had this sort of like odd closed-mindedness with some of the, not everybody, but some of the posters on Bell Gab have been very closed-minded.
	And it seems to like, it's been shocking to me.
	I would agree with you there.
	Because it's like, wait a second, are these all the same people that are fans of art?
	Like the people that I've, you know, like that I, you know, am also a fan of?
	And, you know, these people really been listening to a show for this many years and, you know, you're not willing to listen to somebody and at least hear what they have to say.
	That's a good point because I've noticed that as well.
	There seems to be a lot of criticism.
	And some of the criticism is coming from people that I don't recall seeing on the forum before.
	You know, I'm not saying that they're Dave bots or they just signed up just to stir the shit up, but I'm sure there might be one or two of them out there.
	But I guess Art and Bell fans are.
	Definitely are.
	There's 260 new users, too.
	And you'll find that they're trashing and the guest, more mainly, the guests, all night, but they're listening to the whole show.
	Yes.
	Like, if you didn't like it, stop listening.
	This goes back to what you said, Jazz, is the people that like the show listen at a certain percentage, and the people that hate the show listen to it even in a higher percentage.
	You know, the whole Howard Stern thing.
	What would you say?
	What were you saying, Onan?
	I cut it.
	It's like the old Woody Allen line.
	You know, the food here is really bad, and the portions are really small.
	I love that line.
	You know, it's not to say that a dissenting opinion isn't a bad thing.
	I mean, Bell Gab is kind of founded on dissenting opinions, but I think, you know, there's definitely like, like you guys have noticed as well, that there's these people that post and you look at their post histories and it's like constant stream of negative stuff.
	I agree with you.
	And it's like, okay, wait a second.
	Where are they coming from?
	And that doesn't mean like, okay, you know, be new and post and post your opinion.
	That's fine.
	But it's, you know, if it's constant negativity, it just becomes a downer after a while.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Well, it does.
	And all I can say to people like that is, why don't you get up on there and do it yourself and see how you take all the negativity and criticism that comes your way.
	Get up there and do a better show.
	Well, there's people who are having a go at the colas and saying, oh, what a bad cola.
	These colas, such bad colas, all night, bad colas.
	Well, get in there, call yourself.
	Yeah, clearly that.
	Please do.
	I invite you all.
	One thing I want to say real quick.
	One thing I want to say real quick is, although I tend to agree with you that, you know, with your point about, you know, who are we listening to?
	This is Art Bell.
	There's a lot of people that, and we listen to them and love them too.
	But I remember back in the day, I just wasn't part of Bell Gab.
	Whenever Ed Dames came on, I was like, I would throw a brick at my radio because I never bought him.
	Oh, for sure.
	I was critical of some of the guests back then as well.
	But I do take your point.
	Yeah.
	And I'll be somewhat mindful of that.
	Because it is real easy to fall into the, at least for me, to fall into the, oh, this really sucks.
	And I just hate my life and I'm going to shoot myself now.
	Yeah, well, I don't think there's anything wrong with not enjoying, not disagreeing with the guest or thinking that one particular guest is bad, but it seems to be the same people every night constantly rubbishing the guests and the topics.
	Well, why are you even listening?
	Right.
	I only listen for art, but what I'm saying about the closed-mindedness is there's a difference between, okay, if you don't like Sean David Morton, for example, or an Ed Dames, like they have a proven track record of, yeah, like you can point to, yeah, like their joke, and I don't like them.
	But if like you're listening to somebody like a Nassim for the first time and your initial, like, I don't know anything about this guy, but I think he's a quack.
	Well, it's like, wait a second, you haven't even heard him talk yet.
	And you're just going to say he's a quack.
	And it's like, you know, at least listen to what he has to say and then make your judgments.
	But it seems like a lot of that's happened before then.
	Sir.
	Sir.
	We have the internet now.
	We are all experts.
	And we know as much as any of the guests that are going to be on.
	Be mindful of that.
	I'm kidding.
	That's a great point.
	Yeah, we're all Google researchers nowadays.
	Yeah.
	Jazz had a great post last night when somebody commented about Art making his comments about global warming and the rising sea levels and said, oh, I've never heard of that.
	And I've done a lot of research about global warming.
	And I've never heard of that once.
	And Jazz just replied with like 15 articles.
	That's one of the guys that is poo-pooing everything that Art says, like, or any guests or whatever.
	And so Art actually mentioned that he saw that interview on CNN.
	And it was, you know, and then this guy comes in saying, I don't know where Art gets these things from.
	Well, Art mentioned where he got it from.
	I went on the internet, found 15 other sources saying exactly the same thing from a variety of different places.
	So, you know, some people are there just to make trouble, I think.
	Yeah.
	Well, all I can say is get in touch with some of the island nations all over the globe and just ask them, how's your home doing lately?
	Got any extra water?
	And I'm sure they'll tell you that they do.
	Ooh, let me tell you about this one.
	There is actually, they enacted a law in the state of North Carolina where you cannot talk about rising sea levels, especially in the real estate market.
	I'm not making any of this up.
	Well, that's because in real estate, the laws in North Carolina are that they go by the water line on some property lines.
	So if the water is rising, then you literally have less property.
	And I'm sure they don't want that to be a topic of conversation.
	Oh, well, you know, you're buying five acres today, but if the river rises, you might have, you know, a few less acres in a few years.
	And people just don't want that to spoil their real estate plans.
	I can see why that would.
	But it's very suspicious that an actual law would be put into place.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Google it.
	It's there.
	Well, thanks, Sasse, and thanks, BW.
	Somebody else is on the air here.
	Hello, you're on the air.
	Hey, guys, what's going on?
	Hey, what's up?
	What's your name?
	Citron.
	What's up, Steve?
	Citron, where are you calling from?
	From the lab, I guess.
	From an undisclosed location in northwestern Indiana.
	Nice.
	What's on your mind today?
	Let me tell you how much of an Art Bell fan I am.
	All right.
	Now, my OJSL.
	I'm sorry.
	We can't talk about Art Bell anymore today.
	I think we've made our quota.
	Good day, sir.
	No, go ahead.
	My DSL has been going in and out for several days now, and I finally had enough of it, and it just quit finally today.
	And I paid my bill.
	And what I did was I hooked it directly into the network interface box outside my house.
	And I got a nice clean line to have my Wi-Fi on.
	And I usually listen on my phone, but my minutes are out at midnight tonight.
	So, yeah, so I solved my problem.
	That's really cool.
	So you did that just in time for the show.
	Yes, I came home after an eight-hour day and rewired my network interface box outside my house.
	So you bypassed your router and went straight to a hard line.
	Is that what you're telling me?
	No, I hugged my router directly into my DMARC box outside my house.
	So now can you achieve time travel now by doing that?
	We'll see.
	How good are you at bug zappers?
	I could probably wire you up some.
	I bet, but it burned the fucking house down.
	If you trap any ghosts or spirits in your newly created bug zapper, do give me a call.
	Yeah, I will.
	I promise.
	All right, guys, well, I'll let you go.
	All right.
	Hey, thanks for coming, man.
	Thanks, Citron.
	I always get him mixed up with Steelbot.
	They sound the same to me.
	Yeah.
	Didn't mean to cut that guy off, but I had to get that joke in.
	And apparently, well, never mind.
	You know what?
	I need to take a call right now.
	You guys need to just fill in for me for a couple minutes here.
	Well, I need to just say that's some serious dedication right there.
	He worked an eight-hour day and came home, rewired his network just in time to listen to the show.
	I mean, that's a big Art Bell fan.
	I'm envious.
	I'd have to go knock on my neighbor's door and say, can I use your computer?
	So, how have you guys actually been listening?
	I know, Odin, you mentioned you're listening the next day, but Redacted, are you listening through TuneIn?
	Are you clicking on one of the links?
	Are you using the pop-up player on artbill.com?
	How are you listening?
	I'm using all of them because I noticed that the tune-in will just stop playing after any given amount of time.
	I've had the best luck with the AAC Streamlink.
	Yep.
	That's been working really good.
	Sounds great on my headset.
	And it feels like I'm sitting right there in the studio.
	It really is something else.
	The sound quality is off the charts.
	Because I've been listening through the TuneIn app on my phone, and it's been flawless.
	I have not had to restart it once.
	Nothing.
	It's just been great.
	Cool.
	I'm glad it's working.
	I have a hardwired internet connection here.
	I'm not using Wi-Fi.
	So I don't understand why I'm having the stream drops.
	I don't know what it is.
	But the pop-out player works flawlessly for me most of the time.
	When everything stops working, I'll go to that and it works great.
	Mine, I plug my phone into a stereo doc in my bedroom, and it works great, you know, but 10 minutes into the show, I'm asleep.
	And sometimes I wake up and hear the ending of what's his name, Hoagland's show.
	And then I'm like, I'm really glad I was asleep.
	Have any of you guys listened to The Other Side of Midnight?
	No.
	Not a lot.
	I've sort of listened to the first sort of couple of minutes, but for me, it's on at a really bad time.
	Like Art's show finishes at five, and I generally sort of leave work between 5.30.
	So it's not a good time for me to listen.
	And I did take out a time traveler subscription for Richard's show, primarily just to help out the network and art and all that.
	But I haven't downloaded and listened to any of his shows yet.
	I will say, though, I will say, I think his intro music is really cool.
	I really like it.
	I'd actually like to see him.
	I'd like to see it turn into a good show.
	I truly would.
	I think it would be great.
	Oh, he's growing into it.
	It gets a little bit better every night.
	It is sort of outside my ideal listening time too.
	But I find myself staying up and listening to it anyway.
	And just probably because he's so interested in the topic, but they go off topic a lot.
	And you're listening to him learn how to broadcast, which is kind of endearing.
	That's cool.
	You guys talking about Richard C?
	Yeah.
	I listened for the first time last night.
	And I think he had, apparently, the first night he had some major problems and several other nights too.
	But last night, I think he was having problems.
	I can't remember exactly what it was, but he kept saying it's live radio, ladies and gentlemen.
	And he is learning as, I mean, he's learning as he goes.
	You know, you're witnessing a broadcasting person, you know, get thrown out of the boat and just, you know, trying to swim for an analogy, you know, just trying to learn on the fly.
	Oh, yeah.
	And I can tell you, it's kind of scary.
	It's really a lot of fun, but it is kind of scary.
	And he seems to take it all in stride.
	And I think that's a really good sign that he'll be just fine.
	He just told me, I'm going to hook up.
	I'm going to take the show.
	Well, think of it.
	He's not a broadcaster.
	He hasn't had that experience.
	So he's got to learn all these things.
	Yeah.
	Oh, and it's much different than trying to run a show than to be a guest on a show because you're just kind of waiting for the host to guide you along as art does so well.
	And to be on the other end of that, yeah, that's a whole nother skill set.
	And also, he's on directly after art.
	So you're comparing Richard to an absolute master who's at the top of his game.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I always feel kind of exhausted after listening to art.
	I don't know what it is.
	Do you guys get that same feeling?
	Well, you just came off of a ride.
	That's why.
	And it is three in the morning.
	Maybe there's a reason you're tired.
	Well, I don't know.
	I want to address something because I see the chat kind of going off on this topic and feels kind of like an elephant in the room.
	People are asking when I might be on or what happened with that.
	Do you guys mind if I talk about that for a couple of minutes?
	No, you got the floor.
	You got anything you want?
	Well, it was a hell of a lot of fun.
	Let me tell you, it was strange.
	It was exhilarating.
	It was scary.
	It was probably the most fun I've ever had in my life.
	And then there were the opinions that all came rolling in afterwards.
	And a lot of people just don't like change.
	They just don't like anyone being on the air with art.
	And I can understand that.
	I don't blame people for wanting as much Art Bell as they could possibly get.
	And I was there by invitation.
	And the main reason that I bring this up and I want to talk about this right now is because some people had made comments that it was some kind of career move, that I'm trying to do something for myself by being on the air with Art Bell.
	I'm just trying to elbow your way in.
	Right.
	And that's the farthest thing.
	That's crazy making.
	It's the farthest thing from the truth that they could be.
	Really and truly, it was just something fun that I was invited to do.
	And I had a blast doing it.
	So, you know, if that ever happens again, we shall see.
	And I just want to agree with MV what he said on the last Gabcast that you haven't heard the last of me.
	That's good.
	Yeah.
	I hope not.
	I hope that you don't take that criticism that you got.
	And by the way, I'm sad that you're reading the criticism.
	I know it's probably difficult not to, especially on Bell Gab, but I mean, everybody has their own modus operandi as to why they posted negatively about you.
	And it doesn't have really anything to do with you personally.
	I mean, it's their opinion.
	And if you're taking that too personally, then I know it's easy just to say don't, but I mean, they're people on the internet.
	Their opinion shouldn't really matter all that much in the big picture in your life.
	Well, sure, but people have waited for two years for this to happen.
	And then here's this weird person that does not have a name, that does not have a photo, a bio, anything.
	And they're supposed to just accept this new person on the air.
	I can understand where a lot of people were coming from.
	But honestly, it was just a fun thing I was invited to do.
	And yeah, maybe I was a little nervous on the air with Arbell.
	Maybe he was a little bit nervous.
	Oh, I bet on that.
	I really would.
	Never done before.
	Yeah.
	I don't think the nerves came, any nerves.
	I don't think you showed any nerves that didn't show on the air that night.
	No, you should at all.
	Not until Charlie from Thailand called.
	Well, anyone talking about ejaculating into their bladders is going to throw you off.
	Yeah.
	I knew what I was doing.
	What was that all about?
	What was he talking about?
	Well, okay, so you had called in, right?
	Didn't you call in and say it would be great to do a show on feral children?
	So Mr. Charlie from Thailand had misheard and he thought we were talking about sterile children.
	And even though Art said and I said, no, kind sir, we are not talking about sterile children this evening.
	He proceeded to explain all of that anyway.
	And it got so basically it's my fault again.
	That's the point.
	Yeah.
	I never thought of it, though, redacted.
	I think that we can blame Jazz Munder for this whole thing.
	I think so.
	I think we're doing that for a week.
	Lay that right on Jazz's doorstep and go on with our lives.
	Well, Charlie's become quite a feature of the show this time.
	He's the new Jazz Munda, minus the ejaculating into the bladder.
	Well, not that I know of anyway.
	Yeah, you just called in quite a few times.
	So you need to call in and tell art how you ejaculate into addition.
	No, I'll be keeping my ejaculation stories to myself.
	It's all my own.
	Oh, my gosh, that was such an odd call to get.
	I really wish someone would have called and said, I meditated and talked with aliens last night.
	They were tall and blonde-haired, and I would have been so happy to take that kind of call.
	It's hard to know how to react when you get thrown or a loop like that when a guy calls in about feral children or sterile children.
	And why would we be talking about sterile children anyway?
	This is about the weirdest call I've ever had in my entire life.
	And coming from me, that really is saying something.
	I've got a new goal to achieve.
	Yeah, get working on that.
	Get cracking.
	See if you can top that weirdness.
	Go ahead.
	That show was plagued with technical difficulties anyway.
	So there was a stopping and starting, and you never knew if he could hear you or you could hear him.
	I mean, that was just...
	That's something people may not be aware of, that I'm sitting over here with a very good hardwired Internet connection.
	I have 128 megs down and about 20 up.
	So I'm pretty good on that.
	And all right, so Art has a microwave connection that relies on clear skies.
	And there were storms in Vegas between Vegas and Perum, storms, and we're talking sheets of rain.
	No, we're not talking about a sprinkle.
	And there were times when I'm listening to Art talk.
	He's responding to something I just said or somebody else just said.
	And he's talking for a few minutes.
	And then his voice completely drops off the cliff.
	And I'm sitting here thinking, okay, we're on the air and I can't hear what he's saying.
	And then it's garbled.
	You know, have you ever had a cell phone call, lose some bars and get a bad connection and you can't quite make out the words someone's saying?
	And then all of a sudden the connection comes back and there's art.
	So what do you think about that, Redacted?
	I didn't hear the last two minutes of what you just said.
	And so that made it a little bit difficult to follow what was going on.
	And then he tried to take, I don't know, what was it, four, six calls in a row and just couldn't get those calls on the air and decided to call it a night.
	Wow.
	That makes it impossible to be able to follow the conversation and interject intelligently when you don't even know what the hell the topic is or what the conversation is about.
	Or what was just said.
	It makes it really difficult to interact.
	Yeah.
	You know, so I understand the criticisms.
	That was the first time I was on the air in such with real radio greatness.
	What you don't consider the gabcast radio greatness, madam?
	How dare you?
	With our tens of listeners?
	Yes.
	No, I love you guys, and I love every one of our tens of listeners.
	But that was such a privilege.
	And then to have those problems at the same time.
	All I can say is everyone give that a shot and see how you do.
	You know what?
	Anybody that did what you did, you deserve my respect.
	I mean, you have my respect because quite honestly, I don't think I would have been able to pull it off the way you did.
	As a matter of fact, I know that I would not be able to pull it off the way you did.
	So, and it's not saying that I'm a, as I'm stuttering and stammering, it's not saying that I'm a professional broadcaster or I think that I am, but, you know, man, I was I was amazed at how well you handled yourself on the air with art.
	Well, I've only been dreaming about it for 20 years.
	I mean, how could you not take that chance?
	How could you not take art up on his offer?
	It was just an extended invitation.
	And like I've said several times, it was an honor and a privilege.
	And when the sheets of rain were coming and you couldn't hear what he was saying, I didn't, I never caught that.
	I it seemed just natural to me.
	There were a couple of times where I thought, well, there's maybe a little bit of a glitch there, but not much.
	And I'd have been, well, I can't even imagine what I would have been doing, probably just drooling.
	So I was impressed.
	Wow.
	Well, I was, that's pretty high praise coming from you.
	I was mostly just trying to not suck and just follow the guidelines that Art gave me.
	Be yourself, have a good time.
	Here we go.
	We're going for a ride.
	So drink this first?
	Yeah, right.
	Take this little bottle.
	It says drink me on the label, and we'll see you in a half an hour.
	Yeah, no, but I just wanted to, I don't know if I have cleared the air, but I wanted to at least put my thoughts on it out there since everyone else has.
	Except you.
	Is this the first time that you've spoken publicly about this?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Sure has.
	Sure is.
	Can I ask a question about this?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, go for it.
	When did Art ask you to be on the show?
	Was that when you were interviewing him or did it come before then or after that?
	It was an idea that was sort of flirted with before the interview.
	And then after the interview, he started laying down how we were going to make it happen.
	And then I had plenty of concerns when he said, it'll be fine.
	You'll be fine.
	And he thinks that he was.
	Yeah.
	Well, your interview with him, you know, it was a bit, how do I want to say this?
	It was a positive interview.
	There was nothing, you know, you weren't trying to dig up any edgy stuff.
	You were just doing a friendly interview.
	And it went over so well that I thought maybe that's why he thought, hey, I can put her in the show.
	This would be great.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, this Midnight in the Desert is all about fun and having a good time, being back on the air.
	And he can do whatever he wants.
	So, you know, he may find someone else that he wants to bring on with him.
	He may want to bring me on again.
	You know, but that's really what sealed it for me is that he thought it was fine.
	You know, he just understands that people only want to hear him.
	It doesn't really matter who it is.
	And I think someone made a comment that I think it was It's Over, made a comment.
	Even Jesus didn't want to go on the air with Art Bell his first night back.
	And I told Art that and he got a good laugh out of it.
	He really did.
	Now I see in the chat people want to know how the interview happened.
	And I'm just going to let people's imaginations run wild on that.
	I like your, I like, yes, that's exactly what you're saying.
	And I see that your interview now has about 10,000 more views than Falki's interview.
	So I guess all your goals in life have been achieved now and you can retire.
	Many of them have been achieved, but I think people are listening to the interview because they want to hear art.
	I don't think it's because they want to hear me.
	But I'm just glad that the interview's achieving what I had intended, which was for new listeners to get interested in art and to spread the word.
	So I've looked at it.
	Isn't it up to about 13,000 views so far?
	That's 13,000 people that know just a little bit more about Midnight in the Desert.
	And that was the goal.
	So this is designed to make you money.
	It's designed to make me fun and good times.
	It's on Jazz's fair or Jazz's YouTube page.
	So apparently it's designed to make jazz money.
	There you go.
	I can tell you, YouTube doesn't put food on the table.
	You know, I posted something about YouTube a couple months back.
	Man, you've got to have 100,000 views before you get a nickel.
	I mean, it's just, it's like, wow.
	This isn't something I'm going to do.
	So Falki becoming rich on his 4,000 videos is are you saying that's a far-fetch?
	That's not going to really happen.
	He doesn't look like he's starving, so he's getting money from stuff like that.
	Are you telling me he's not getting rich off of his YouTube career?
	That's apparently what I don't know.
	Well, I'm shocked.
	I am entirely shocked right now.
	I can't believe this.
	He put that in with his fundraisers and then his aluminum can collection.
	He's probably doing okay.
	All right.
	Well, that makes me feel better.
	So people in the chat room are begging us to change the subject a few pages back.
	So have you got everything out redacted?
	Do you feel satisfied that you got your point of view across?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we're fine.
	I'm cool.
	Okay.
	What do you guys think about the Skype callers?
	And not the actual content of the callers, just the sound quality as compared.
	You know, some people are pining for the old days of a landline telephone.
	Does it put you off hearing someone sound like they're in the same room as art?
	Kind of does.
	Yeah.
	It kind of does for me.
	I think MV had that opinion early on before the show started.
	And I'm like, what are you talking about?
	It's great to hear good quality phone calls, but it really is kind of it's better to be able to differentiate which voice is saying what.
	And you can tell right away when somebody's on the phone that they're the guest or the caller.
	When a caller comes in and they're of good quality coming through Skype, sometimes it's difficult to tell which person is talking.
	And it's just, it further divides the attention in some cases.
	And if you know me, I can't have my attention divided or I, you know, I don't have any intention at all.
	Yeah, I fall over because I can't think and walk at the same time or sit.
	You know me, you guys.
	I love it.
	I love the clear sound quality.
	It is a little shocking to the system to hear that, but I really like it.
	I enjoy when he gets a caller on the air and they're shocked.
	I know this is probably old to everyone who's been listening to art for years, but it never gets old for me that people are, oh, it's me.
	I'm on the air right now.
	Yes, you're on the air.
	Turn off your radio, please.
	Oh, my God.
	It's me.
	I will say, though, having been someone who's called in on Skype, there's no indication, unless art says your name, that you're on the air.
	You don't know.
	There's no, you can't hear any different.
	Because sometimes he'll pick up the call before he actually starts talking to you and the other caller's still on.
	But he just says, you know, and on Skype, you're on the air.
	So you don't actually know whether it actually is you that he's talking to.
	I guess you better pay attention then, huh?
	Yeah.
	So I guess you just say, hi, hi, Art, if he says that, just in case you are on.
	I'm not a fan of Skype yet.
	And it's not that I don't want to be.
	It's just that I've only listened to three shows, but I've seen or I've heard some major delays and people not really being able to extinguish their device.
	So it becomes more confusing for them and me.
	And I get frustrated and say, well, just dump the call.
	When that gets smoothed out, I'll probably be completely in love with it.
	I will say that I heard, and I don't remember what, I think it was the call-in show, where there were a couple of Skype calls and then somebody called in on a cell phone.
	And man, was there a difference.
	So, I don't know.
	I'm done.
	Somebody else pick up the money.
	I was just being silent to see how long I was.
	I've noticed, though, Art seems to be, he must love the Skype line because he's sort of favoring taking those calls over telephone calls because presumably there are a lot of telephone calls coming in, but it seems that he's going to Skype a lot more than he is the telephone line.
	I was worried about people calling in and not having their Skype connected correctly.
	And it sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it?
	That's happened a few times, though.
	It has happened a few times where the caller, you know, you could hear they're talking like this.
	Hi, Art.
	Am I on the air?
	Is this art?
	You know, and he's like, please get closer to your device or extinguish your device, you know.
	Then I get too close.
	Hi, Art.
	Yeah, I can't get too close to this one, but you can.
	That's exactly it.
	But yeah, that's kind of strange.
	I think one thing that stands out crystal clear is the difference in callers from the other show to Arts show.
	There's been so many intelligent callers, Charlie from Thailand aside, and I hope he doesn't take offense to that if he happens to listen to this ever.
	He's busy doing something else right now.
	Okay, well, I'm sure Thailand's very exciting.
	There's a definite difference in the caller quality, and you notice that right away.
	And I just find that really enjoyable.
	There were intelligent call after intelligent call on the physics show, and all the shows so far have been really, really good, and that's refreshing.
	You're on the air.
	Hello?
	Me?
	Yes, you're on the air, sir.
	Oh, hey.
	It's MV.
	What's up, dude?
	Hey, what's up, man?
	Hey.
	I'm sorry.
	We're not taking any calls from Missouri today.
	I thought it was no calls from people with consonant user.
	I'm not as quick as you.
	So what's going on, man?
	Well, I wanted to break the rules in either case.
	Yeah, I'm just riding my bike here.
	I don't really have a lot to say.
	I just thought I'd go and hang out for a couple minutes.
	Really?
	You're getting exercise?
	And, you know, I really, I'm glad you sort of echoed what I said about the call, the Skype calls.
	Oh, yeah.
	I really think, I'm sorry, I just don't feel like the host should be on equal footing audio-wise, like audio-resolution-wise, with some fuddy-duddy caller who's calling in from Broken Whistle, South Carolina to talk about how the ghost of a four-year-old little boy lives in his mirror.
	I don't know, man.
	You nailed it when you said that, like, the phone call gives the immediacy of that differentiation between the host and the caller.
	Right.
	So either of them speaking, you just know immediately who's who, and there's no guessing about it.
	And I don't know.
	I just don't feel like someone ought to call in and sound as good as Art does.
	That's just how I feel, okay?
	How dare you, sir?
	It sounds like you're struggling.
	Are you riding up a hill right now?
	You're breathing kind of heavy.
	Struggling.
	You know what?
	I know if you're riding on a bike while calling into a talk show, you'd be having a stroke right now, buddy.
	You're actually on a bike.
	I thought it was a euphemism.
	No, it is a bipedal mechanical transportation mechanism.
	Does it have a horn?
	Well, one can be purchased.
	I live close to a Walmart.
	Anything's possible.
	I wanted to hear the bike horn now.
	Anybody else a bike rider here?
	Or am I the only one who gives a shit about trying to stay in shape?
	I'm a runner.
	You know what?
	That's what I would be doing if there were any honesty.
	I'm not really in shape.
	I'm not trying.
	I just rock out.
	I just rock out for all my exercise.
	So I have to ask you, MV, do you wear a bike helmet when you're on your bike?
	No, hell no.
	No?
	No.
	Absolutely no way.
	I mean, I'm not.
	If you see a fat guy on a, I don't know why this is, but listen.
	You see a fat guy on a bicycle, for some reason, your brain does not expect to see that guy wearing a helmet.
	I don't know why this is, but it just wouldn't seem right because a bat guy's use of a bike should be utilitarian in nature.
	It shouldn't be, oh, I'm just out clearing my mind.
	No, that's thin people who wear helmets and should wear helmets because they're on bikes far more.
	And let's face it, thin people deserve to live more so than fat people do.
	That's what you expect.
	No, I don't wear a helmet.
	I don't want to mentally confuse people as they see me.
	I see.
	So it's an image thing.
	Maybe if you were to smoke while you were riding.
	Yeah, that'd be great.
	Add that touch.
	I agree.
	Seems like a matter of just being socially consistent.
	Maybe you should wear one of those helmets where it has, you know, a beer holder on each side.
	You can put like a Budweiser in each side and then have the straw come down to your mouth and then have a cigarette hanging out and, you know, just have a blast.
	Just be a hot dog condiment to speak to a bag.
	Yeah.
	Have a little barbecue, you know, strapped to the back where you can have your hot dogs cooking while you're going.
	I just go down the road squirting spicy mustard people.
	I'd be squirting.
	That's what I say as I go by.
	This fat man with a button-up shirt on his bike rides by and escorts you with spicy mustard and he shouts, I'd be squirting, fool.
	I'm going out and buying a bicycle tomorrow.
	At least it's spicy, man.
	That's our MV.
	Bikes are great exercise.
	It rocks.
	Everybody should have a bike.
	They really are.
	I'm sorry.
	I didn't mean to jump in and start dominating shit.
	You guys go ahead and talk.
	We don't have anything to say.
	No, I'd say bike riding does have a lot to do with the new Art Bell show.
	It's right in.
	How so?
	How so?
	You can carry your phone and listen to it and ride your bike.
	You can work your mind and your body, sir.
	You know what happened to me the other night?
	I was walking through a Target.
	Or no, I'm sorry, it was a Walmart, listening to Art Bell on my phone.
	And it just occurred to me at that moment, there was this click in my mind where I said, you know what?
	God damn it, there is something to this.
	Art knows what he's talking about because here I am doing exactly what he envisions people doing.
	Just walking through a Walmart.
	Yeah, just walking through a Walmart at 1 a.m. with a phone, listening to his show coming out of the GD desert.
	You could have done that back in the 90s with like a Walkman or something, but it wasn't something that you generally did.
	Like nowadays, we do do that.
	We are walking.
	We've got our phones on us.
	We've got our earbuds in our ear.
	And I think it's great that you can be walking, you know, in Walmart at 1 a.m. and do that.
	It just shows you the extent to which terrestrial radio has been obviated.
	That I'm just walking through a Walmart listening to Art Bell live, and I don't care at all about the fact that AM radio even exists at that moment.
	So are you listening with TuneIn or are you using the pop-out player or what are you guys using?
	I refuse to use TuneIn, by the way.
	I just, I think it's a bloated piece of crap, and I'd rather use anything but TuneIn.
	Well, you can consider either the TuneIn app, if you don't like that, you can use the TuneIn website.
	I think the best way to listen, the most stable way to listen, is to install VLC player on your machine.
	And then there's a URL that downloads a small M3U file.
	An M3U file is a playlist file.
	And what that'll do is if you open that little tiny file in VLC player, the stream will play and there will be nothing between that player and the audio coming from Art Bell's website.
	No browser between you.
	Yeah, that's what I do with WinAmp.
	Yep, that's exactly the same thing.
	It might be a slightly more modern way to do that than Winamp is, but I use Winamp on a daily basis myself.
	It's great.
	Yeah, that's what I've been using or trying to use to listen to art.
	I think I was successful the past couple shows.
	But yeah, you know what bothers me?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	You know how that latency shit is.
	Yeah.
	You know, sounding stupid, stepping on each other and shit.
	What bothers me is as I'm sitting there and I'm watching that live thread on Bellgab.
	And I just see people, stream just buffered on me.
	Ah, the stream just stopped on me.
	Ah, the stream just, you know what?
	My wife just shat on the couch.
	I blame the stream.
	You know, just the litany of stuff.
	I see people, my house is burning down, goddamn stream, in bald italicized with a little animated Jeff below it.
	And I just feel like, what the hell's going on with you people?
	Because I'm sitting there this whole time as this firestorm of insane chaos is unfolding on the computer screen.
	I'm just sitting here listening to this stream and VLC play and nothing is going wrong.
	And my point is that as the broadcaster, these people stress you the F out.
	I mean, just like I hope Keith is not reading the live thread on Bellgab as he's doing stuff at the show at night because the number of times people say, oh, I'm having trouble with the stream.
	Oh, the stream just slapped me into the beanbag.
	I can't take it anymore.
	The things people are saying, I would just not the stream's fault in some of those cases.
	It's your internet.
	You know, it's got nothing to do with the stream if you've got a crappy internet connection or a crappy Wi-Fi.
	Every single complaint about the stream last night, or I'm sorry, on Friday night, for instance, was illegitimate because I listened to that entire show from beginning to end.
	I didn't hear one drop, not one hiccup, not one time did it buffer.
	So if it got to me, that means from source to listener was never interrupted for me.
	So that means the source did what they had to do perfectly.
	Anything else is up to everybody else.
	And that's the thing that sucks about streaming is that you'll see all these people complaining and you'll start going nuts thinking you're doing something wrong or something's broken.
	And it sucks.
	Yeah, Keith does work really hard and he's a lot smarter than people give him credit for.
	There's been some pretty ugly things said about him on Bellgab the last couple of days.
	Ugly about Keith Rowland.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	I just hope he doesn't read that stuff either.
	No one has ever in Bellgab history said a nasty thing about Keith Rowland.
	I don't know where that comes from.
	I don't know.
	You could be completely wrong on that, but I don't know.
	I don't know, you guys.
	I just need to interject here real quick.
	Nancy, I saw that you were calling, but I couldn't add you to the conference because it didn't.
	Skype didn't give me an option.
	So why don't you call in as soon as we hang up on MV and I'll let you know in the chat or I'll verbally tell you that the lines are open.
	Is this the soft goodbye?
	Are you telling me to bug off?
	It's a hard goodbye, sir.
	No, it's complaining about me in the chat.
	No, I just subject.
	No one cares about VLC.
	I don't even have a letter V on my keyboard.
	It's been broken for God two years?
	Shut up already.
	ZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
	Exclamation.
	One.
	God damn it.
	One.
	Exclamation 111.
	There always has to be a few ones after an exclamation.
	Yeah.
	Just to show how angry you are.
	Yeah, the report in the chat about UMV.
	I'm just not going to repeat it.
	I'll let you have your good day outside riding your bike.
	I've just kind of been blown up on the chat with MV I saw a couple pages back.
	Oh, yeah, it's insane.
	Happened.
	Don't know.
	I think it's better that you don't know, sir.
	Blood just says MV sucks.
	Anything in eight years of being around that godforsaken festering dump that you could tell me that I would be shocked by.
	I'm sure you've seen it all, sir.
	You know, by the way, haven't you?
	How come you haven't posted any other emails?
	You remember you started that Fred thread with emails from people that hate you or something like that?
	Oh, that was such a great thread.
	One of my favorites.
	The latest one was Pale Horse sending me messages to tell me that I should go get some kind of crazy vaccinations for my kids or something.
	It's like, whatever, dude.
	Oh, is he against them or he's for vaccinations?
	Well, he was just making a sarcastic remark because, as you recall, he came on the show and advocated against vaccinating your kids.
	I see.
	And he was sort of lampooned for doing so.
	And so now he makes sarcastic remarks to me about my kids getting vaccinations because he got banned from the chat room by WR250 for flooding the chat with users.
	Right.
	And so I thought, well, what the hell?
	I'll ban him from Bellgab too.
	Screw that dude.
	And so now he's sending me vaccination emails.
	That's kind of passive aggressive, isn't it?
	Well, I mean, God, it's a forum get lost.
	You don't know how to use it properly.
	Fuck off.
	Well, we want to see the emails that you get of people ranting at you and your responses.
	Your responses are what make it so good.
	Very, very concise.
	Go ahead.
	I don't have anything to say.
	All right.
	Is my being here preventing new calls from coming in?
	Yes, it is.
	Yes, it is, sir.
	Well, apparently, yes.
	Nobody else can see the screen except me, but everybody agrees that your presence here on the show is preventing us from moving forward, sir.
	You are in the way of progress.
	Yeah.
	Is this really what people are saying?
	I don't believe that.
	No, that's what we are saying, the hosts of the GabCast.
	Really?
	What are you moving on to?
	What's the next subject?
	What's happening?
	See, I was going to ask, I was going to ask how everyone, did everyone enjoy the Periscope, the video footage of art live in the studio?
	Oh, that was great.
	I enjoyed that a lot.
	Just being a fly on the wall, watching the show happen.
	That was really cool.
	And then on the breaks, you can kind of see what he does on the commercial breaks, choosing the next bumper song and all that.
	It was really cool.
	A little quiver.
	You know what I liked?
	I really enjoyed how animated he gets when talking to a caller.
	I mean, I could only, we were watching, but it was a bit of a delay.
	What you saw on the screen was a couple of 30 seconds before you actually heard what he was saying on the show.
	But you could just see how animated he was getting.
	And I thought that was fantastic.
	Well, being someone who listens after the fact, I feel cheated.
	So there.
	You're on the air.
	Hello, guys.
	How are you all?
	Hey.
	Hey, I recognize this voice.
	Who is that?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I guess the name that should not be said, I wanted to call in and ask what are the rules about Bella Haven on Gabcast or On Belgab itself.
	When we go too far, we're always told, okay, you went too far.
	So I have a lot of questions and wonder, what is our place in the whole Bell Gab universe, you know, so we don't get in trouble?
	Well, I think you need to speak to MV directly about that.
	Is MV still on the line, Eddie?
	I can't speak for MV.
	No, I couldn't bring him and Nancy in at the same time for some reason.
	I don't know why.
	So I had to.
	Okay, well, wouldn't it be everybody's experience that if MV has a problem, he's not a shy guy, he will let you know, he'll PM you, correct?
	And most likely, yes.
	Yeah, and if you don't hear, or he might nudge you on the thread or something, if you don't get the message, he'll PM you.
	And then if you don't abide, then I'm pretty sure you'd hear from him, right?
	No, you'd just get banned.
	Well, sometimes you will hear from him.
	Sometimes he'll just get rid of you.
	Okay, well, here's the thing.
	But therefore, my point must be that if he's cool, he leaves you alone.
	You know, you just muddle along, right?
	Well, everything's good.
	What's the issue?
	Well, he has been kind of busy with other things, so I don't know.
	Yeah, what's the specific issue?
	What is the issue?
	Okay, well, here's the specific thing.
	And this was right around the time the new little baby came in.
	The folks who do the chats, the chats that we're listening in on right now, you know, the Belgab chat, MV came on and said they were going to close them down from midnight until 3, so people would stop chatting, like at the end of this show.
	It's going to close down.
	That's fair enough.
	You can understand why he wants to change.
	Exactly.
	So you're going to have to, and so MV's got to buy diapers, right?
	And so you have to go back to Bellgab and start Belgabbing.
	Go to the thread, and so forth, right?
	And start talking.
	Have fun.
	MV will buy more diapers.
	Now, when we were in the various threads, different people who like Bella Haven, including me, were posting happily about, oh, we'll talk about this tonight or whatever, you know.
	In other words, what comes into one's head to answer a post, not to promote the show so much.
	And so MV, I believe, PM'd me.
	I can't remember.
	Or I forget.
	No, we might have been talking on the phone.
	And he said, no, it wasn't the phone call.
	It was after the phone call.
	That's why I was talking about.
	It doesn't matter where, just what it is.
	Can you keep everything Bell Gabby, not Bell Gabby?
	Can you keep everything Bella Haveny in the one thread?
	You have a thread.
	Otherwise, everybody's going to want to do that.
	And that makes absolute perfect sense, right?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So he just didn't want you promoting in, say, the Bell thread or the.
	Is that true?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And during the Blitz, I think all the rules were off because it was like, whoever you could get to help, it doesn't matter.
	We have the Blitz banner.
	Okay.
	And I think that superseded all the different threads except for maybe two.
	I wouldn't go into two for anything, not even the Blitz.
	Yeah, I'm sure I can guess what one of those is.
	Yeah, can do it.
	Sorry.
	So anyway, so my question to myself, then I'm asking all you guys, because you're good friends.
	You've been on the thing for a really long time.
	How do we, I feel stifled, et cetera.
	And I'm very jealous of Hoagland.
	I make no bones about that.
	Okay.
	He's got what I wanted, and I'm having a really hard time dealing with it.
	It's a personal growth kind of thing.
	I've got to learn to deal with this because I just feel like we're the better show for the spot.
	And so I don't want to fight, I want to fight fair and square, and I don't want to use Bell Gab as the big fighting ground because Bell Gab should support Hoagland's show.
	Go ahead, redact it.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I just think the best thing to do is to go off of what MV says.
	Right, right, exactly.
	And just have a good time in your thread.
	You know, make your plans, be in your thread, right?
	Yeah, that's good advice.
	Yeah.
	But then if I weren't to say, okay, every single night during the actual show thread, I'm listening to Art Bell Duck, you know, Art Bell Midnight, really closely taking notes because we're going to be talking about it in just a couple of hours.
	And we're going to, and I'm going to be looking stuff up.
	And I'm, you know, I've got 10 years of research that's private that I can look through.
	So I'm going to bring some value to the conversation.
	And it is so frustrating not to be able to say that because I'm competing with Hoagland.
	And I don't want Belgab to be put in the middle of this.
	And that's why, you know, the conversation should be with MV, but you guys know him so well.
	You probably know what he's going to say.
	And then we could stop trouble in its tracks if we had.
	No, I think you're presuming something that might not be true.
	We all like MV, and we hope he likes us, but we're not, we really don't have that strong of a relationship with him.
	I wouldn't want to speak for him, you know, in any broad way like what you're asking for what's appropriate for your show.
	I can tell you some topics that I would probably avoid, but it would have nothing to do with your show, your show or your thread.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I mean, we don't have any authority as far as what happens at Bell Gab.
	We're just members like everybody else.
	You know, MV just allows us to do a gabcast, and, you know, it's all his baby.
	I mean, and do you know what, when MV is the host of the show, do you know what happens when the show ends?
	MV closes down Scott, and we just left standing here by using our computers.
	Wow.
	Well, see, that's the thing.
	I always, I have personally have always felt, because I've always listened to MV when he's speaking on the shows, and I've always felt a rapport.
	I feel like we understand each other.
	We all want the same thing.
	Oh, yeah, and I love him.
	I just totally love him.
	And we all want to buy diapers, okay?
	Some of us at the other end of life, at the other end of life.
	We all need diapers.
	And so, therefore, the only time I ever had a problem with MV, and I had a nightmare about it the next day or that night, was when I thought I was on the show and I thought I was still talking, and then I got the Irish exit.
	I got the hangup, and I freaked out because I didn't know what I had just said that was so horrible.
	And then, of course, over time, I found, and it came out that that is MV's going to do that.
	So, that's the only time I've had a problem.
	So, therefore, I feel comfortable asking you guys about this more than asking it in print or asking it on the Bell Gab itself.
	And I didn't know you guys invented this Gabcast.
	And I thought, MV, it was his idea, and he made you do it.
	And you're always dragging yourself in because he's making you do it.
	Wow.
	We're slave labor.
	No, it's his show.
	It's his forum.
	And we just work here.
	You can't really say work here because that says that we're getting paid.
	But no, we're just doing this for fun.
	You know, honestly, I really don't have anything else to do on Tuesday nights.
	So, you know, I just like to hang out, you know, basically just hang out with friends.
	Yeah, it's a hobby for me.
	Well, you know, the whole creation of Bellerhaven came about because I first of all thought I wish there was a way to be able to talk about the show.
	I wish there was a gab cast forever after the show.
	And then I began to think, but I'd also like to hear women talk more about it because women are a big part of the audience.
	And then I thought maybe I could call it Bella Gab or, you know, Bella Gab, you know, and then I figured, eh, I'm too new.
	I can't ask MV for this kind of favor.
	It's his name, you know.
	So I created Bella Haven.
	But I've always felt that Bella Gab is what makes Bella Haven.
	So I'm dying to tell everybody, go to the George Nori Sucks thread every single night and say, no more need to suck.
	We're on.
	There's options.
	Anyway, so that was my reason for the questions because I don't, I feel like the rest of you feel, and besides, I've made so many friends who are so much in the business of radio and on so many different levels.
	So it's a really important group that after the blitzing, I kind of, you know, it's hard for me to tone back the blitzing.
	Right.
	Well, my advice is just ask MV.
	You know, if you're not sure about a certain thing, then ask him.
	And if you post something or do something wrong, there's going to be plenty of other people that are going to maybe call you out on that.
	You know, there's a lot of people that might not like what you do, and there's a lot of people that do.
	So, I mean, it's just, you know, give and take kind of a thing.
	Yeah.
	And what I want to do is I just want a fair chance to fight because this is the best show that I am capable of.
	And now I can really take the criticism.
	Whereas I couldn't before because I wasn't, you know, I was a part of a team and I was doing poorly.
	Now I feel like, no offense, Elijah and I have a great rapport, and that's the show.
	Okay, so I'm so happy and proud of it.
	If you don't like it, go listen to, you got options.
	Listen to Hokie.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Thanks, Nancy.
	Jazz, did you have a question?
	No, I think you just need to ask MV whether you're not allowed to mention Bella Haven at all or whether you're just not allowed to advertise and say, hey, come on over to the Bella Haven chat now and don't listen to Richard C. Hoagland.
	I think you just need to find out where MV stands with that type of thing.
	Because you shouldn't be afraid to mention the word Bella Haven, but you have to ask him what extent you can go to, and only he can really answer that.
	That was my take: it was the announcement of your show on several threads.
	I think I'm not sure who made whom aware of what, but that would be my only finger to point is that that might have been the issue.
	I don't know.
	I didn't really have, I did notice it a couple of times, and it did kind of strike me as why is that over here?
	But I just kind of summed it up that you're all excited about your show.
	You are between a rock and a hard place.
	You know, Hoagland is following Art Bell.
	And, you know, damn, what are you going to do about that?
	And since you can't really get on that program to wave your banner, it does kind of lock you out.
	And I don't know what to tell you about that.
	But then again, I'm not radio.
	You know, I have no experience in it.
	I hope you make $10 million or more.
	I just don't know how to help you do it.
	Yeah, we're getting fast and furious calls here.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Oh, and they hung up.
	They called 15 times while Nancy was on.
	And now we've got somebody else coming in.
	Hello, you're on the air.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	That was my mom.
	Okay.
	That was your mom?
	I think that was my mom.
	Was it?
	Okay.
	So, okay, so the other person that was trying to call in with their area code starts with an 8-0.
	The lines are open.
	Call in if you want to get in, but do it quick because we've got to end the show here in a couple minutes.
	You know, Jesus, it's almost nine o'clock, so it's 10 minutes till.
	Yeah.
	And this is a long gab cast, man.
	Yeah, Art Bell's on soon, isn't he?
	He is.
	That guy?
	It's 11 minutes to lift off.
	Who's the guest tonight?
	Anybody know?
	Well, it changed.
	It was going to be Mr. Aquinos.
	Yeah, Michael Aquinos.
	And now it's Dolan something.
	I'm going to look it up.
	He's a ufologist.
	Richard Dolan.
	Richard Dolan, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	That name sounds familiar.
	And kind of odd that the guest was switched up, but I imagine this kind of thing will happen often.
	You know, thanks for watching.
	I wonder what the reason was.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I don't know.
	Maybe Art looked into Mr. Aquinos' history and saw something there he didn't like.
	My attitude is it's just a different guest, and I really don't care why.
	You know, I mean, I read some speculation on the forum and it has such a bad sound and taste to it that I was like, I don't even want to go there.
	Well, that's why I'm wondering.
	I'm not going to mention what it is, but I'm wondering if it was that whether art objected to perhaps that allegation.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	It's impossible to know, but I remember this kind of thing happened a lot back in the 90s.
	There'd be a guest announced, and then it would be switched up, or the guest came on, and Art would dump them to go to open lines or something.
	This kind of thing, it seemed common back then, so it's going to happen again, I'm sure.
	You're on the air.
	Hello, you're on the air.
	Hey, this is Pate.
	What's going on, y'all?
	What's up, man?
	Hey.
	Is this the cut the service line again, or I actually get on air?
	It depends whether you've been drinking tonight or not, sir.
	I've had one beer.
	Anyway, I'm going to do the ship.
	I just wanted to say I approve of extra long gab casts, even if they do cut into my bar time.
	Well, you can listen to the gab cast at the bar, can't you?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I probably look like a dork.
	I've been trying to hide my question.
	If you're worried about looking like a dork, you're not drinking enough.
	Exactly.
	That's why I need to get to the bar.
	Anyway.
	So was that you, Pape, that called like 15 times and just let it ring, ring, ring, ring, ring?
	When, where?
	Tonight?
	Yeah.
	No.
	That was my first attempt.
	Oh, okay.
	I've got multiple phone boots lined up in the backyard.
	They're all landlighted.
	It is great to put a voice to your name, sir.
	All right.
	Well, hey, I'm hanging off on myself.
	Good night, Jonathan.
	Good night, Pate.
	Good day, sir.
	How dare you?
	How dare you?
	He's a straight-up cat.
	He is.
	Yeah, sometimes I don't understand what the hell that guy's talking about or what he's posting about, but I'm usually entertained.
	Or how the video on his post relates to what he's just said.
	I don't think it's meant to.
	I don't think it is either.
	I gave up on that months ago.
	Yeah, he's cool with me, man.
	He's cool with me.
	All right.
	Well, apparently we're not going to get any more calls.
	And watch, somebody will call as soon as I start playing this outro music.
	Start that music.
	I should be quick on the draw here.
	Well, everybody enjoy Midnight in the Desert this evening.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	That's it, everybody.
	Well, we appreciate everybody listening to the Gabcast tonight.
	Thank my co-host.
	I was going to say Jasmine.
	Jasmunda redacted and owned it.
	A lot of fun tonight, you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thanks to everybody in the chat room and everybody listening and all the callers.
	We appreciate it, everybody.
	And we will see you next time.
	One more thing, Mom.
	I love you.
	Get better.
	See you next time, everybody.
	Good night.
	Good night.
	Amen.
	You've been listening to The Gap Cast, a podcast about bellgap.com.
	Now get lost.
	Fuck Justin Bieber.
	Doing live.

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