GabCast Bellgab.com - 14 July, 2015

July 14, 2015 - GabCast Bellgab.com

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14 July, 2015

14 July, 2015 ---------- Art Bell's Facebook page is taken down, radio is in a talent drought, and a whole bunch of other stuff.

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	This is the Gabcast, a podcast about BellGab.com.
	Call the show now at 623-242-CAST.
	That's 623-242-2278.
	Now, shut up, sit down, and listen to the damn show.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Hey, everybody.
	Hey, man, what's up?
	Not a whole lot.
	This is the Gabcast.
	It is a podcast about Belgab.com.
	I'm one of the degenerates from Belgab.
	We got a few others as well.
	We got Onan.
	Yep.
	That's who you just heard.
	We got Redacted.
	How you doing there?
	How you doing there, sister?
	Oh, so good.
	We got Jasmundi.
	Howdy, y'all.
	And that's it.
	That's the cast of characters coming your way this evening on the Gabcast.
	And I have to say, I often, as we do these shows, I wonder to myself what it must be like.
	And I know I've said this before, but so what?
	We have to fill time.
	We have about an hour and a half to fill here.
	I often wonder to myself what it must be like for somebody dropping into all of this, having no prior experience listening to this show, no prior experience using Belgab, just being dumped into the middle of this wasteland, having no clue what it is, no context to draw from.
	Just, it's amazing to me what that must be like.
	And with everything that's going on at Belgab right now, that's even more so, even that's the case even more so now than it ever has been, I believe.
	Yeah, I'm right there with you.
	My question is a little bit different, and that is, you know, once in a while we get a phone call from someone who isn't in the chat, doesn't belong to the forum, and they're calling over and like, where the hell did this person come from?
	You almost feel like hanging up on them because they're cheating you somehow.
	They've not followed the rules in some way.
	They've done something incorrectly.
	But how would you even stumble over Belgab?
	Hey, Jasmunda, your audio is way hot, and it seems like it's been the case for the last three Gabcasts where you're distorted and hot.
	And I think what you need to do is you need to go into your audio setting.
	You need to go into your audio settings and tell it to automatically adjust your mic volume.
	Unless it's already set that way.
	I don't know.
	But we can always have you know what?
	It's not because it's I blame Eddie because he always tells me to uncheck that.
	No.
	Don't blame Eddie for your mistakes.
	You need to check that button.
	It's now checked.
	So what were you saying, Jasmunda?
	I said, how would anyone even stumble upon Belgab?
	But like, it's so random to just get there by accident.
	I I think you search for George Norrie sucks.
	You search for.
	Well, that's not by accident.
	That's actually finding it because you have a reason to find it.
	I'm talking about the people who have no idea about Arpelle or George Norrie or any kind of suckage whatsoever.
	But they're listening to this.
	They don't know about how bad George Nori sucks, how awesome Art Bell is, and they run into this.
	I don't know.
	There are a lot of aspects to this entire universe that.
	If I were to encounter someone who is entirely oblivious to all of this, but just happens to be apprised of one facet of it, like one of these podcasts.
	I'm not necessarily envious of that person because, you know, being a Bellgab user can be a pretty stressful experience in some ways, I have to say.
	So I'm not necessarily envious of somebody if they tell me that, oh, I just know this show.
	I don't know anything about Bellgab.
	I feel the same way if somebody calls the spec sheet and they've never used, because I just assume everybody who listens to that show is a Bellgab user.
	I mean, if I just did that show and I didn't have the Bellgab connection to draw upon, I would have pretty much no listeners, I'm pretty sure.
	Because I'm a nobody.
	Nobody knows who I am.
	So I connect those things in order to have an audience.
	And so I assume everybody who calls is entirely aware of Belgab and that whole universe.
	But you do occasionally run into people who are not.
	Are you trying to say there are people that don't know who Michael Van Dieven is?
	As hard as that is to believe, I know.
	Redacted.
	I know.
	I don't even believe it myself, but just as a matter of mathematical certainties, I have to say there are people who don't know who I am, just as there has to be life out there in the universe.
	Well, if they don't know who you are, how could they even possibly understand the microphone?
	What do you mean?
	I don't understand.
	I'm saying that if they don't know you, they must be pretty low in the thought process game.
	Well, I am an important person.
	You're a suck up MV.
	Forget about it.
	It just confused me.
	The person you're sucking up to should not be confused after the suck up is delivered.
	It's rather worthy.
	How about that?
	We're not worthy.
	These days, my self-esteem is so low.
	You're all more than worthy.
	Believe me, I'm just depressed.
	I'm so depressed.
	I don't know why I go through these funks.
	I just, I don't know.
	Hey, I got good news for you.
	I'm not posting.
	Yes.
	What is that?
	I heard Art Bell's going to come back on July 20th.
	Yeah, I know.
	That's the irony that even in the midst of all of that, I just, you would think that everything, yeah, everything should be happening and you should be, but I don't know.
	There's a certain funk in the air that I'm depressed by.
	Well, you just had some major emotional stuff go down in your life, you know.
	Did I?
	What happened?
	Well, I stabbed you in the back a couple of times.
	You didn't know about that.
	Were you talking badly about me on Bellgab?
	Oh, hell yes.
	Every chance I get.
	I'm starting.
	I think there's I have now crossed a threshold where there are more people on Bellgab who dislike me than who like me.
	I realize I'm such an outsider now.
	I totally feel out of place on the forum.
	I think we're just going to stop posting and just be purely administrative and sit in on this show from time to time.
	I know what it is.
	I know what it is.
	It's your avatar.
	Ever since you changed your avatar from Divine to whatever it is I can't see that's on there now.
	No, you can see the new one.
	No, you can't.
	You can't.
	Have you changed it recently?
	Well, I changed it days ago.
	See, that's how disconnected I am from everything.
	You didn't even know I changed my avatar four or five days ago.
	Well, you haven't posted for a week.
	That's true.
	Yay, Iron Chic or something now, right?
	I just'm curious.
	You know, I just'm secure in my sexuality.
	Confused as I may be by it.
	The one you couldn't see was, well, the one I have now, the avatar I have now, that is Vito from The Sopranos, the gay gangster.
	But the previous avatar was a screenshot of Vito from that scene in The Sopranos where Meadows' boyfriend sees Vito blowing the security guard at the construction site, and he raises his head up from the dude's lap.
	And that was what that screenshot was.
	And I was so surprised by how many people did not know, could not connect that.
	It was probably the most disappointing avatar I have selected in eight years of Bellgab.
	You were really on a roll there with your avatars, but now that you've explained this, what that dark avatar was, I'm glad I've never seen that.
	Well, if I've had to explain that, the avatar is a failure inherently.
	You couldn't even see the avatar.
	I should have done some Photoshop work on that, shouldn't I?
	Yeah, it was pretty muddy.
	I never watched The Soprano, so I had no clue.
	Well, that scene is rather dark.
	It's sort of just dusk, or it's dawn, rather.
	I get those mixed up sometimes.
	It's dawn.
	And, you know, her boyfriend is there working his menial, you know, sweeping porter type job.
	They're just the crack of dawn, and he just happens to look over and sees something he shouldn't have seen.
	And boy, does that cause a problem.
	That's such a great show.
	That's one of those shows that from time to time, I just like to plow through again.
	I'm in the midst of doing that right now, as a matter of fact, which is why I have Sopranos on the brain.
	MASH is another show I'll do that with like once every three years.
	I'll just plow through the whole series.
	Greatest show ever.
	The whole series?
	Oh, yeah.
	All of MASH.
	So it takes like a year to get through it.
	No, what I do is I abandon my family in a small broom closet and I just sit.
	Owin.
	I don't know.
	What is the confusion here?
	I don't.
	No, I personally think that's a perfect coping skill.
	Coping skill, I had not thought of it as such.
	What am I coping with?
	Clearly, based on the things I've started this show out with, there must be something I'm coping with.
	We could just make the determination as to what it is.
	So Art Bell's coming back on July 20th.
	I couldn't be happier about that.
	And I can't tell you from the beginning.
	And by the way, all the people that said, no, Mike, from the beginning, I bet again and again and again.
	You watch Art Bell is going to be on terrestrial radio.
	And hey, look who's got his finger on the pulse.
	Look who knows which way is up.
	More and more stations all the time, and they haven't even heard the show yet.
	How great is that?
	And big ones, too.
	That's unprecedented.
	Oh, yes, huge.
	The only instance I'm aware of in which stations have signed on to broadcast a show before having heard it was Bill O'Reilly.
	And that was back in 2001 when he started that show, I believe, that failed radio show.
	It was a miserable radio talk show.
	It was atrocious.
	It was possibly the worst, single worst thing I've ever heard in talk radio, the Bill O'Reilly radio show.
	Because people get on TV and they don't understand radio is an entirely different animal.
	They think that because they can sit in front of a TV and read a teleprompter as Bill O'Reilly does on a recorded show to boot, pre-recorded.
	Not even live on the radio?
	No.
	They think, well, no, the TV show is pre-recorded.
	And he's reading from a teleprompter 95% of the time, other than when he's speaking directly to a guest.
	People think that they can take that and put it on the radio.
	And because they're able to read from a teleprompter in a pre-recorded fashion on TV, that means they're going to be able to sit in front of a microphone on the radio and free associate for three hours.
	No, you cannot.
	It's not inherently possible.
	Into the TV mind, just take a peek into those people's minds.
	And I would imagine what you'd see there is: oh, radio is so beneath me.
	That is what they think.
	Television, right?
	Right?
	But at the same time, they do it.
	At the same time, those people harbor a lot of unspoken resentment over the fact that people on radio seem to be, in many instances, making a hell of a lot more money than they are, though.
	Look, for instance, Rush Limbaugh signs a $400 million eight-year contract, only eight-year contract, $400 million plus additional revenue from advertising.
	And that's undisclosed.
	Who knows what that amount of money was.
	So, yeah, everybody in TV wants that kind of money, but not everybody can do radio.
	Not everybody can sit in front of a microphone and free associate for three hours in a row.
	Bill O'Reilly thought he could do that.
	All the stations that signed on to his show in advance thought that he could do that.
	But the kicker there was that in that instance, the network, and I think it was Westwood One, went out and actively paid money, paid cash money to these affiliates to get them to sign on to Bill's show.
	And the instances where they wouldn't do so otherwise, they actually actively paid them money to get them to sign on to this show.
	So just driving home the point that this is unprecedented, a radio show having so much terrestrial radio interest without having even been heard from a guy who hasn't actively been on the radio in any scheduled way for what 13 years long time.
	It's at least at least six or seven years.
	I know he did weekend spots on coast here and there and then six weeks on dark matter, but really not for an extended period.
	So what does that tell you?
	It tells you art is amazing at what he does.
	And B, it tells you there's a real drought of content and talent out there.
	That's it.
	You just nailed it right there.
	That's it.
	You know, as you were alluding to a few minutes ago, this isn't this.
	Well, listen to me like I know what I'm talking about.
	Oh, you do.
	You know, I've listened to radio programming.
	I don't like you.
	That's good.
	And most of the people that get shows, quite honestly, they don't have the magic.
	You know, the only reason people are listening is because they got nothing else to do.
	So the radio's on.
	You know, when I was working in printing in Pittsburgh, I was alone in a shop from 4:30 in the afternoon to 4:35 o'clock in the morning.
	And the only person I had to keep me company was the guy who was talking on the radio.
	And a lot of times it was like, I might as well just stab my ears because it'd be less painful.
	And your exposure to those shows was purely incidental.
	You didn't seek it out.
	You're a captive audience.
	By virtue of the circumstances in which you found yourself, you were hearing whatever you were hearing, but it wasn't something you were seeking out.
	And that's something that really separates art and people of his caliber in radio.
	Really, there are only a couple people that I would put on that same shelf together in terms of radio success and talent.
	That's what separates people like art from the rest of the chaff of radio broadcasting is the fact that people actively seek out these shows.
	Yeah, I think art is quite unique in that in that, yeah, he does kind of have a specialized niche, but it's probably broader than many.
	Like, I realize Rush Limbaugh is a large talent and has been for decades.
	But you go to Rush Limbaugh for pretty much one type of talk, and you can get such a much more varied degree of talk from Art Bell than you do from Rush Limbaugh.
	So I'm not trying to take away from either one.
	I just think that art is probably a better draw overall than Rush is.
	Onin, you goddamn liberal.
	You.
	I can't believe you.
	Well, I think that, look, if you want conservative talk radio or if you just want, let me rephrase that.
	If you want political talk radio, I'm not saying because you're a conservative or anything of that nature.
	This isn't even alluding to what your political predispositions might be.
	It's just if you want political talk radio, go listen to Rush and just get it over with because whether you agree with him or disagree with him, whether you like the man or dislike the man, you will have an idea of what's happening in the political landscape.
	The conclusions you reach are up to you.
	You can reach your own.
	I agree with you.
	I agree with you.
	I don't like any political radio for a long period of time because it upsets my stomach.
	But I agree with you.
	He's a talented person, and he's said a lot of things over the course of the years that I've thought, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
	He's also said some things that really upset me.
	But no, my point isn't that whether he's somebody likes him or not.
	It's just you know what you're going to get.
	Whenever you go to the Rush Limbaugh show, you've got a pretty good idea of what that show is going to be about.
	Well, I'm not even speaking to whether you like him or not or whether you any of that.
	What I'm speaking to is the idea that the rest of the political talk shows that are out there are just second fiddle.
	They're just rehashings.
	They are also rans.
	And so there's no point in their existence.
	Is there really any reason in this universe that Sean Hannity should exist on the radio?
	I can't believe that man has a job.
	Just listen to Rush and get it over with.
	You are done for political talk radio for the rest of the day if you just listen to Rush.
	I completely agree with you.
	Levine guy, that's just like listening to an insane alcoholic just rant and rant for no reason.
	I can go outside and get that anytime.
	Where do you live?
	Political talk radio just makes me feel like I'm hitting my head against a really hard brick wall.
	Well, I enjoy political talk radio if it's done well and if I want to know what's happening in politics.
	And I am someone who does want to know what's happening in politics, but I'm not going to then go from Rush and venture onto all of these other peripheral shows hosted by people whose take on things I couldn't care less about and who aren't particularly interesting or talented, many of whom are newspaper columnists and just people who had no business doing radio to begin with.
	Or people from television, like you said.
	Isn't that quite analogous, though, with what's going on with art and all the other people that have podcasts going on right now?
	Because there's one fella on your forum that has tried to promote his show many times, and you've offered him some very sound, sage advice, and he seems to walk right past it.
	And, you know, I hate to even put his name and Art Bells in the same sentence.
	But yeah, there's just so many people out there that it's like, what were you even thinking?
	Why did you think you had a voice somebody would really want to listen to?
	I think the problem is that I was talking to Curtis about this before the spec sheet tonight.
	It seems to me that it is too easy for somebody to do this now.
	The technology has come to a point where it is too easy for just any old schmo to fire up a mixer and start doing an internet talk show.
	It's too easy.
	The threshold for entry or whatever the term is, it's too low.
	It's too easy to start.
	And so you're getting a lot of people who really, and by the way, that Mallard guy, you're talking about Jim Mallard.
	I've actually heard some of his show, and I don't think it's a bad show of what I've heard.
	It sounds okay to me.
	It's just that he seems a little put off by the idea of anyone giving him any advice.
	I've only been podcasting since 2006.
	What the hell do I know?
	Yeah, I was going to say you're ranked.
	But then again, maybe that speaks against me.
	I'm still a nobody and I've been doing this for nine years now.
	Something must not be right.
	So you could take that two different ways, actually, now that I self-analyze, I'm going to just step back and cut myself.
	Just because someone can have a podcast doesn't mean they're going to have an audience to listen to it.
	It also doesn't mean they should have a podcast.
	Yeah, but you can't stop people from trying.
	That's the shame in all of this.
	You know, the fact is that, you know, in real life, you can do everything right.
	You can do everything to a level of perfection, and it's still not work out.
	I mean, that's just the luck of the draw.
	But there's also a thing, and coming into rescue, you say you quit cutting your arms, is it's not like this is your sole focus in life.
	I believe if that were the case, I believe if your strict single focus was making a podcast successful, I think you would do it.
	But I think your opportunity costs would be so high that it's not something that you find palatable.
	You'd probably, I don't know that you would lose your family, but they would certainly fall into a distant second and third place.
	And I don't think you would ever want to do that.
	I also think that your livelihood would suffer significantly.
	So, you know, you balance a lot of things.
	That's probably part of the problem with podcasting is that by its very nature, the people who are doing it are amateurs.
	They don't do it for a living.
	So all of that motivation that would come along with that, all of the attention to detail, all of the obsessing over it that would otherwise happen doesn't.
	It's just sort of a passing hobby that people have.
	And that's why there are so many horrible podcasts out there.
	I would say, as you just scan across the universe of podcasts that are available to you out there, I would say something on the order of 95% utterly unlistenable.
	Right.
	I agree.
	And you know where I first got my reckoning for this was I had a friend who wanted to do you remember when public television was the rave and anybody with two quarters could start a TV show?
	Yeah.
	Wayne's world.
	Yeah, well, exactly.
	Well, I had two friends that thought they could do a movie review show.
	So, you know, they rented, I don't know what they did.
	They hated it.
	But yeah, I watched like 10 minutes of it and oh my God, it was these two guys who didn't move, they sat on this couch and they just talked back and forth and there was no energy in their voice.
	There was no real conviction to really getting a message across.
	It was just horrible.
	What was their writing system?
	Oh, who gives a shit?
	Bananas.
	You give this show two bananas.
	I felt like at first I initially was going to go one and a half bananas, but at the end, you know, where that big explosion happened and that kid died, they got me over the hump.
	Two bananas, baby.
	You're missing it because you have so much more energy, even in your sarcasm.
	They just sat there like two lumps of flesh that could barely enunciate a word.
	They had no energy whatsoever.
	And they thought they did a good job.
	I was like, you know.
	Well, there's something to remember, though.
	I mean, cream always rises to the top.
	So you have the market completely saturated with a whole bunch of really bad shows.
	And people are going to find the good ones and then stick with those, I think.
	I hope you're right.
	I hope cream rises to the top.
	I do think there's enough shit floating out there that it can stop the cream from getting up.
	So all that shit dilutes the market.
	So this all gets back to the fundamental premise that there is a drought of talent.
	There is a drought of appreciable content out there.
	And people remember Art Bell.
	There's a feeling that goes along with that.
	There is an association people make with that name.
	And people want to recapture that.
	They want that back.
	Radio stations want to get back into the business of making money again.
	And so this is a no-brainer for so many stations.
	And after art gets back on the air and after everything goes well, as everybody knows, it undoubtedly is going to more and more.
	I'll bet you it's going to be an almost logarithmic increase in the number of stations that sign on.
	I mean, I hate to be the fanboy, but it's really tough not to be.
	You know, we've seen such a proven record in the past, and I don't really think it's going to change when he starts back up again.
	And I was never able to see the disconnect between him saying he wanted to do it without radio.
	I just thought.
	I never understood that.
	I couldn't wrap my mind around that for two seconds.
	And I almost felt like there was a certain bitterness toward the industry that was tainting his judgment in that regard when he was saying that.
	Yeah, I think you hit that nail right on the head.
	I don't know what it is, but I think that's exactly what's going on is there's some underpinnings of I want to stick it to the radio shows.
	I don't know.
	Why not beat them at their own game in the best possible way, which is to win in their own house?
	Seems to be what's going on.
	It is what's going on now, but it initially wasn't what was going to happen.
	And I was puzzled by that.
	Thank God things have changed.
	Things changed.
	Something changed today.
	I mean, Art's Facebook page got taken down.
	And, you know, I think you were here.
	All of you were here when a certain other sucky radio host said, oh, no, we're not going to play any games.
	And look what's happened today on today of all days.
	The Facebook page is down.
	I mean, do you have any thoughts on something like that?
	I don't know.
	It's not back up, but it looks like it was taken down by Facebook because I went and had a look at my Facebook Messenger post to Art.
	And every time he wrote something to me, all it says there is this message has been temporarily removed because the sender's account requires verification or it was identified as abusive.
	To me, that means somebody and a lot of somebodies must have reported it, either reporting it saying that it's not the real Art Bell or reporting it saying for abuse.
	And for Facebook to take something down, that's not just one or two or three reports to them.
	That's a hell of a lot of reports.
	Who would do that?
	Exactly.
	Who?
	Well, find them.
	Whoever did it, it had to be more than just some dude.
	There has to be some sort of orchestrated effort, if in fact there is an effort.
	It's very hard to get something taken off Facebook.
	And I know that because I've had experience with a local association of ours.
	There was some defaming stuff that was done.
	And it was so hard to get that page taken down.
	You can't believe how hard it was to get down.
	I believe what you're saying is true to you.
	But then my question is, well, if it's really that difficult, what possibly could have happened that would have taken Art's page down?
	Because it boggles me.
	I mean, if you just do a cursory view, and I got to admit, I think I've been to Art's Facebook page once.
	But when I was there, there was certainly nothing that would go, oh my God, that's shockingly bad.
	Well, I would submit to you the repeated horse porn images, the gaping videos.
	I'll tell you, someone has said that.
	Jasmundo, you're still way hot, by the way.
	I'll stand back a bit from the microphone.
	That might help.
	I think it would have to be someone, or a lot of somebody's reporting it as not being the real Art Bell because I think you have to have verified accounts.
	Someone has definitely put in an effort to say this is not the real Art Bell.
	And he did make a post.
	You're going to have to get so many people together to do that.
	Right.
	Or have he did power.
	He did say that he had sent them his identification.
	So maybe that is what it's about.
	And that just seems odd to me that, you know, two years into this, all of a sudden now it's maybe it's not you.
	Yeah, the timing is certainly suspect.
	My spidey sense tells me that there's some interns at Premiere, maybe working overtime.
	And it just makes me so mad.
	I could chew up carpet text and spit out finished nails.
	I don't buy it.
	I don't know.
	It seems like everything that comes along, we all start hemming and hawing about what did George do this time.
	And I just, I don't know.
	You think Facebook legitimately said, this might not be the actual guy?
	But I did see a post where someone else said there's been a lot of people having problems with Facebook today.
	So maybe it is a legitimate technical problem.
	It just seems the timing, again, the timing seems suspicious.
	It is suspicious timing.
	I won't deny that.
	But I think we oftentimes, we often, on the one hand, we go on about what Dolts George and the people at Premiere are, but then we assign all of these godlike qualities to them in terms of their ability to thwart whatever it is that we appreciate.
	And I don't know, it just, you know, to go Ross Perot on you for a second.
	You don't have to be a great dancer to screw up the dance floor.
	So I mean, I'm not trying to give the man any more power than what he already has, but, you know, he might not have a lot of talent, but he's got enough money and power behind him that he could certainly have someone who does have the intelligence to orchestrate some sort of issue.
	Well, and it could be.
	I mean, maybe there is some department within Premiere that manages these things and is actively working to disrupt art's ability to communicate with people on Facebook.
	That could be the case, too.
	Or it could be that something at Facebook, a Python script, took a crap today.
	I mean, who knows?
	That's just as likely.
	It's more fun to imagine that George is behind the scenes, you know, stroking his mustache confidently and with satisfaction as we all sit on Bellgab, puzzled about why it is we can't access his Facebook page.
	But I don't know.
	It is quirky.
	Yeah, so I woke up this morning and I had a message from Art that said to send him the next trailer because I was going to release that my last trailer.
	And I started writing back to him and I hit enter and then all of a sudden said, you do not have permission to message this person.
	And like for a second, I'm thinking, oh no, art's not my friend anymore.
	And then my daughter comes into the room and she's like, Dad, I'm hungry.
	Make me some breakfast.
	And I'm like, shut up.
	I'm talking to art.
	We have our priorities in life.
	I don't know.
	I'd love for listeners to call in and give their thoughts if they have any ideas on how this would happen.
	People that know more about Facebook than I do.
	Well, I think you guys have pretty much covered it.
	I mean, it would be somebody reporting the page for whatever reason.
	Hey, guys.
	I hate to interrupt this, but I'm going to have to go.
	I'm getting an emergency message.
	Yeah.
	Doesn't this happen to you during every show?
	Did one of your clients slash his risks?
	I think so.
	Actually, I do think so.
	Oh, my.
	Can you take pictures?
	Stop talking to us.
	I got to hang out.
	I got to get out of here.
	So, Onan, that mic, what kind of mic did you get?
	I don't remember if it was a Yeti or a.
	I got to go.
	I'll talk to you guys later.
	All right.
	See y'all.
	All right.
	We have an opening for a guest for a host if anyone would like to call.
	We'll be fine.
	I think we'll be fine.
	Let's calm down.
	If you want to be on the show, the number 623-242CASH, that is 623-242-2278.
	Art makes the point.
	Just when he was going to post about the Reddit and about the radio station, all of a sudden now he can't.
	There was other news, too, that I don't know if I can talk about.
	I'll let Art decide when to release that information.
	But there was a lot of news coming out on this particular day.
	And then the Facebook gets mixed.
	I mean, if that's a coincidence.
	What news can you not?
	I mean, is it news that's been publicly mentioned anywhere?
	No.
	Well, yes, it's been news that has not been mentioned anywhere.
	Okay, that's what I'm at.
	So this is stuff that no one has publicly been apprised of yet.
	Right, right.
	And there was a lot of it coming out today.
	So, what, Art's using double ply toilet paper?
	The what is that?
	No, it's the triple ply quilted.
	No, I'm kidding.
	But again, it's the timing, and it seems very strange how these things always happen with really good timing.
	And, you know, I'd like to think that it isn't people at the other radio station or the other show, but we just, we don't know.
	And I don't know.
	I guess that's our talent here at Bell Gab is speculation.
	Well, it's what we do with our free time.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, guys, it's Saucy Rossi.
	Hi.
	How are you doing, buddy?
	Saucy, what happened today with it?
	Did it go well?
	Yeah, I think despite as you guys are talking about the Facebook page going down, the AMA went very well.
	You're talking about the Ask Me Anything session on Reddit?
	Correct.
	And Art was kind enough to spend over three hours doing that.
	And when I tell you, you know, you don't know what goes into being a public person like that until you have to answer questions one after another with him.
	I mean, that's just like, it's a full-time job.
	I can't even imagine all the emails and things that, you know, that come his way.
	It's just unreal.
	But I have to say, you know, we were getting ready to do the AMA.
	And right when we're getting ready to, you know, do it and publicly post it, his Facebook goes down.
	And we were going to rely on his Facebook as the way of spreading word about the AMA.
	He has 15,000 followers.
	Right.
	And he has another 5,000 friends.
	And you cannot link the AMA until it is publicly posted.
	And you cannot post it until 30 minutes until it's scheduled.
	So, like, the timing of everything was perfect by the way his Facebook was taken down.
	The Facebook was taken down 30 minutes before we could post the AMA, which when you post the AMA, he could go ahead and actually post a link to it on his Facebook.
	So it literally gave him no time to recover his Facebook in time to promote the AMA.
	So despite the fact that he wasn't able to promote the AMA on his own public Facebook, which is used as his main form of promotions until he's on the air, and it's really his way of doing business right now, if you think about it, we were able to answer a lot of questions.
	I think he answered over 60 questions.
	So let me ask you this.
	Really, I mean, from my way of thinking, it doesn't so much matter.
	I mean, making the Facebook users aware of this isn't so important, really, other than in equally important.
	Well, other than in terms of them upvoting the AMA, I mean, these people are already aware of art.
	They already know what's happening.
	I mean, it seems to me the real value in the AMA is making Redditors aware of what's happening.
	Yeah, but Art needed to use Facebook to get people to go to Reddit to upvote so that then Facebook is his main avenue of getting the word out there.
	Right.
	You are right in that, MV.
	But you're also not thinking of the fact that there's thousands of people who probably message him every day on Facebook who don't get answers back, who would have had a chance to ask him a question and possibly get an answer today.
	But they missed out on that because for some reason, his Facebook was taken out and they never got to see the link to that.
	So even, you know, yes, they would have gotten seen by a lot more new people if those same people came and upvoted.
	But for the longtime fans, they got, you know, they got the short end of the stick because a lot of those people don't know anything about Reddit and they were waiting on receiving a link.
	So, you know, I feel bad for those people that, you know, would have liked to have asked him a question in that public setting.
	So this sucks.
	Yeah, it's true.
	This sucks.
	This is a buzzkill.
	But really, ultimately, once Art is out there and he's doing his thing, nobody's going to be able to stop him.
	I mean, this thing is just going to snowball, grow on its own, with or without Reddit, with or without interference by people who want this to fail.
	This thing is going places.
	Oh, yeah.
	We've got a lot of ways of promoting that no one at Premiere can get in the way of.
	It's already, that ball is already rolling.
	Yeah.
	And his mic, by the way, guys, he just sounds amazing.
	Everything, his audio quality, oh, my gosh.
	It's just all just top-notch.
	Everything sounds perfect.
	I'm so hyped up for next week.
	We all are.
	We're all extremely excited and can hardly contain ourselves.
	Thank you for calling, sir.
	That was Saucy Rossi from Bell Gab.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi there.
	Art Bell taken down.
	Can you hear me?
	Oh, I hear you.
	Who do we have?
	My name's Testing.
	Testing 101.
	How's it going, man?
	Are you the same testing, I'm assuming, who called undering the spec sheet?
	Yes.
	Oh, well, you said yes like you expected to be hung up on there.
	I'm not going to hang up on you.
	Go ahead.
	If you guys look at the different kinds of Facebook accounts, Art was using his personal Facebook account.
	And I know Facebook's really gotten more stringent on locking personal and business accounts down.
	So what he needed to do is have a business account in order to promote.
	And then that's probably how he got flagged or why the Facebook staff kept him flagged instead of allowing him to re-access his account.
	You're saying because they feel he's using Facebook incorrectly?
	Well, if you look at the terms and services, you can't they want you, if it's a business, to use the business Facebook account page.
	I know.
	So they will actively penalize you for not proceeding about that correctly, the distinguishing factors between the two, personal and business.
	Indeed.
	We made a program at school, and I was just trying to promote it, and I had to make a business Facebook account page to do so.
	They don't notify you first and tell you, hey, this needs to be converted to a business account.
	They just up and pull the rug out from underneath you?
	Yeah, and then they actually made me send my driver's license over.
	Okay, so did they bring it back online after they verified your identity?
	My account was online, but I had to go create my one, two, three app page.
	So has Art had any official communication with Facebook with regard to what happened?
	Yeah, he mentioned in the chat before that he had to send them his driver's license and passport, probably to verify who he is and that he is who he says he is.
	But did they specifically tell him what precipitated all this?
	I don't know.
	Well, if you get more than 10 bad votes, they can deny your account.
	And then there's I remember maybe like a year ago, I was using an older version of Facebook, and then one day I went to it and it was like totally different.
	It was like their new updated version, and they're trying to get people's IDs to verify your name is proper.
	And I had a friend who was using like half of his name, and it took him forever to use his full name on his Facebook after he sent in his ID.
	Yeah, there is this push, and it seems to have subsided a little bit.
	Google was really pushing hard with this with Google Plus a few years ago.
	Maybe a couple years ago, they went ahead and abandoned this effort on their part to force Google Plus users to reveal their legal names in signing up and creating accounts.
	They were actively closing accounts if they were able to determine through any mechanism that you had, in fact, lied about your name.
	And then it was big news.
	It was big news on the tech front when Google finally abandoned that and said, okay, you can go ahead and just start a Google Plus account and using whatever you want.
	But I think part of that was because Google Plus is an abysmal failure.
	And so Google realizes they're going to have to sort of broaden the gateway for entry.
	But aside from that, there's also sort of a cultural thing that happened.
	It's sort of akin to technological trends.
	For instance, for a while, everybody thought we were all going to have a 3D TV in our living rooms.
	Well, go try and go to Walmart today and try and buy a 3D TV.
	I don't think you can.
	The same happened with privacy for a little while.
	There was this push everywhere you looked on the internet.
	There was this push for everybody to use their real name everywhere.
	Google was at the forefront of this, and it sort of started to subside.
	And to hear that Facebook is plowing forward with that full steam ahead, even though it seems to me culturally on the internet, we've sort of started to move away from that again.
	That's really I don't know.
	I closed my Facebook account entirely about three weeks ago, and I'm done with it.
	Well, Art says right here in the chat that several people said it wasn't really him.
	So did that have to be 10 or more people to say that, hey, that's not really Art Bell?
	And then the page gets taken down right 30 minutes before he does a Reddit ask me anything.
	God, you tell me a Facebook employee can't go look at that page for 30 seconds and conclude yet?
	I think that is the Art Bell who he said.
	That is the Art Bell.
	I think it is.
	I mean, 30 seconds include that.
	You know what?
	The guy, the employee who was looking at it, have you ever seen The Simpsons?
	That pimply kid, you know, who on The Simpsons?
	That's probably the guy who was checking the thing.
	I don't think this is Art Bell.
	Well, anyone born after a certain year will have had no exposure to Art Bell and probably has no idea who he is.
	I mean, there's a certain Facebook employees.
	Well, I mean, I'll bet you most Facebook employees are in their 20s.
	Yeah, you would think so.
	Straight out of college.
	And I mean, I was in the heyday of my Art Bell experience.
	I was in my late teens, late 90s, like 1997.
	I was 17 years old.
	Subtract 10 years.
	The average Facebook employee being 25, I'm 35.
	So they would have been seven at that time.
	I think those people were very likely not listening to Art Bell.
	They were in bed.
	Oh, okay.
	He says now that they have his ID, he said they only want my ID to turn it back on.
	So I guess we'll wait.
	Still not up again?
	Not up again.
	Just check now.
	Oh, my God.
	That's unbelievable.
	But I still don't understand why they can't give some kind of a notice.
	Hey, we're going to put your page on hold or something like that.
	I mean, from what everybody's saying, it seems like everything's just been deleted.
	Can't they give him some kind of notice?
	Say, look, we're not sure if this is really you.
	Can you verify your identity?
	Put this thing on pause.
	Why do they have to do it like this?
	Yeah, why couldn't they say, here's what's going to happen if you don't do X, Y, and Z within 48 hours?
	Yeah, I don't understand what can't happen.
	That's just the heavy-handed approach of an entity that knows it has power and doesn't have to care what you think.
	Yeah, that's why I don't trust Facebook.
	I never have.
	Well, the fact that the FBI director has an office in Facebook's corporate headquarters should that alone should give you pause.
	Well, I can't wait to hear Art rant about this on his show.
	That's going to be a good one.
	Probably better than Daylight Savings Time.
	So I'm guessing that Mark Zuckerberg won't be a guest on the show.
	Let's go ahead and take a call.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Who's this?
	Hello.
	Hi.
	This is Juan Cena.
	Hey, Juan.
	Juan Cena.
	Okay.
	Sometimes I have to take a moment and imagine myself looking at that name on the forum.
	Got it.
	How are you, sir?
	Oh, I'm doing okay.
	Well, that's good.
	It's just, yeah.
	It's been an interesting day, I can tell you that.
	In what way?
	For you, personally?
	Well, I mean, I did listen to Richard's show this morning.
	What did you think?
	It was so they were trying to fill a lot of space with just talk and speculation.
	It was okay.
	I mean, it was nice.
	It felt like a conversation and not, you know, Richard completely trying to dominate all the time.
	And he managed to stay moderately off on kilter for most of the show.
	He didn't really get in too deep into the conspiracy spank talk, I thought.
	What is your impression of Richard C. Hoagland as a host versus the Hoagland we know as a guest?
	Well, I think it helped that it had peep he had people on there who had half a brain.
	So that's obviously that will obviously be a positive if he keeps doing the show after arts.
	I mean, it certainly didn't help him talking to Snorri all the time.
	My big problem with Hoagland was, A, I always felt like he was excessively arrogant and not arrogant in a sort of cute type of way, which a lot of radio hosts pull off, but arrogant in a sort of, man, I would slap this guy in his face if he spoke to me that way type of way.
	And also, I just see so many people who seem like they have legitimate scientific credentials who have bad things to say about him that that gives me pause.
	And I can remember hearing Hoagland throughout the 90s.
	Every time he'd be on Art's show, there was always something coming up around the corner.
	There was always some NASA executive who was going to be revealed to be a lizard in one week or something crazy was always about to happen.
	And it just seemed like nothing ever panned out.
	And I eventually got just sick and tired of that.
	And the only Hoagland appearance I can remember remotely enjoying was probably when he was on dark matter with Art.
	And that was largely because of some of the stuff he said about Nori.
	I don't know.
	That was the best.
	Yeah, sure.
	I think maybe the best show I can remember with Hoagland was when Art basically all but revealed Richard's phone number to the world, trying to get him to hurry up and make his big reveal, which was somewhere around 96.
	Explain what happened there, because I don't remember this.
	It was when Richard was deep into the Egyptology thing.
	and he had gone all night teasing this big reveal, and it got down to, like, I guess 4.30 or nearly 5 o'clock, and Art just basically just threatened to, he just started slowly revealing the numbers of Richard, or supposedly Richard's real-life phone number.
	And...
	Just one number at a time.
	You know, I think it got with the area codes and the first three numbers.
	Do the two of you redacted Jasmunda?
	Do you guys remember this?
	I do not remember this.
	I feel like I remember something along these lines, but the specificity of it is escaping me.
	Anyway, if you want to be on the show, the number to call 623-242-CAST.
	It is 623-242-2278.
	What were your reactions to the—I know this has already been discussed on the Gabcast, but I don't know if this angle of it has, but I haven't been here in a couple weeks, so what?
	What were your reactions to the news that Hoagland was going to be the follow-up show after art?
	I mean, you can probably reach your own conclusions as to what my reaction was.
	I thought that I wished I could have seen the look on Hoagland's face when he found out this is what he was getting.
	Nori.
	Oh, sorry.
	Both, actually both.
	I would like to see the look on both of their faces.
	No, I mean, but what is your what is your thought?
	What are your thoughts on Hoagland having a show after art?
	I mean, do you mean what's your opinion of Hoagland, I guess, is what I'm asking?
	My opinion of Hoagland himself.
	I think that he is a little self-important, and he's very confident about what he knows.
	He is confident.
	I'll give him that.
	Yeah, he is confident.
	And I think he's going to have a good time.
	I've never heard him do his own show.
	I think he's going to have a blast doing it.
	And I hope that alone makes it a listenable show.
	I did hear the interview that he did on Dark City.
	And he seemed to have plans about things to add to the show, things to talk about, more than just Mars.
	But he's animated.
	He's excited.
	He's passionate about what he does.
	I think he's going to have a good time.
	I mean, I want to give it a listen before I call any judgments.
	Yeah, look, I always enjoyed, they were some of my favorite shows, the shows that he did with art.
	And I could never, I've admitted this on the air.
	I could never, ever see any of the things that he ever saw in any of the photos that were up on the side.
	But I always enjoyed his enthusiasm.
	He told a good story, that's for sure.
	And in my I want to believe type of attitude, I enjoyed what he was talking about.
	So I'm going to give him a shot.
	I can't listen live because of the time that it's on, that it's sort of in dinner time and putting my kids to bed and all that.
	But I'll definitely contribute to the $5 a month and I'll give him a shot, definitely.
	I think one of the things that I, or the thing I did enjoy about his appearances with art in the 90s, it wasn't Hoagland.
	It was art's incredulity, at least what I perceived to be incredulity.
	And also what I perceive to be frustration on Art's part, just building over the course of a four or five hour show and just coming to a crescendo as we approach.
	That was what I enjoyed so much about Hoagland's appearance.
	It wasn't Hoagland himself.
	It was Art's reaction to Hoagland's appearance.
	And this was what revealed to me how much I thought George sucked at what he did was the first time I heard him with Hoagland.
	And I just realized, I heard how George handled him.
	And I came to the realization at that moment, even though I continued trying to give George a chance for a couple of years after that.
	But I just sort of subconsciously knew and had already concluded in that moment that this dude is not going to work for me.
	Just hearing him deal with Hoagland, how he dealt with him, the fact that he wasn't interested in what Hoagland was saying, but he was feigning interest.
	You could tell he wanted to confront Hoagland, but he wouldn't do so because he was afraid that it would put him on the outs with the audience because he was trying to be what it was he thought the audience wanted him to be, George was.
	The Hoagland appearances with Nori were what totally did it for me.
	Oh, insufferable.
	You just have to turn the radio off and shake your head.
	Listening to Hoagland with Norrie could be some of the worst radio I've ever heard.
	And that's not blaming Hoagland.
	That's blaming Norrie.
	I just listening to a host that is so out of his element with a guest.
	Never heard of anything worse.
	There were two or three different shows I heard over about a year period with Norrie with Hoagland.
	And that's when I finally had to type in George Nori sucks.
	I think that's actually what did it.
	Was that how you found Belgab?
	That's how I found the streamer.
	Oh, that's right.
	Yeah, back when I was running my illegal Pirate F art bell stream.
	Yeah, for the good of mankind.
	You know, I don't know if I've said this, if I've directly said this on this show, but I was the first person on planet Earth to run a pirate art bell stream.
	Yep, and I think maybe I was the first of seven people to find it.
	You may have been.
	I mean, if you were listening way back in those streamers, there was this little tiny program called Streamer that you double-click and run, and that's how you hear the show.
	You don't go to Shoutcast.
	You don't listen on Zia Live.
	You don't go to TuneIn.
	It's a little executable that's 600K that may or may not contain malware.
	I'll send it to you.
	Double click on it.
	It was about the size of a postage stamp on your screen.
	It was a little tiny thing.
	Yeah.
	And then you had to go in there and you had to search for the George Nori Sucks stream because there were several streams.
	And what I always hated was there was a Howard Stern stream and it was up at the top of the list, right?
	But the George Nori Sucks, the 24-7 Art Bell stream, was on intermittently.
	I don't know what you were doing, but sometimes it was on and sometimes it wasn't.
	So whenever I'm on the ground, I'm a grown man.
	Sometimes I have to use my computer for other purposes.
	I'm just going to leave it there.
	How dare you have to start listening?
	So the Howard stream was always on.
	And then, you know, once in a while, if you were lucky, then the George Norrie Sucks stream was on.
	And man, when it was, I would just leave it on all the time until that thing just died.
	I can't imagine why it was ever down.
	I don't remember ever taking it down.
	I thought I left it up and walked away.
	I think not all Sean.
	Let's troubleshoot an issue that's eight years old, redacted.
	I think the problems were on your end.
	Did you open the proper course?
	No, I was scared to death of the guy that had created this because I saw the warning of what would happen to my computer if I sent him an email or what would happen to your computer if I sent you an email.
	So I just, I'll just.
	I got so sick and tired of people asking me if this thing had malware in it.
	Literally every day, I was probably receiving something on the order of two to three emails.
	Does this have any malware?
	First of all, dummy, if I put malware in it, you think I'm going to go, oh, yeah, it does.
	So don't run it.
	No, I want to put the malware on your machine, stupid.
	People really are dumb.
	They can't deduce anything.
	So they'll send you an email asking you if it's got malware in it.
	So finally, I put a note on the webpage that said, hey, you send me that email.
	I'm going to put my monitor on the floor so that I can squeeze a log onto it.
	Stop asking me that question.
	I'm going to squeeze a log onto your email physically.
	I will destroy my own hardware.
	My own monitor.
	My own computer equipment will be destroyed just so that I can have the satisfaction of defecating on your email.
	And that seemed to put an end to it.
	I think people really didn't want me to have to purchase new monitors.
	I thank them for that.
	People really cared.
	They wanted to save me money.
	And to this day, I'm grateful.
	Thank you.
	Well, to get back to what's that, Jazz?
	No, I was going to say, Envy, I don't think you're cut out for any type of customer service work.
	Oh, I'm wonderful at customer service.
	I really am, actually.
	I mean, I've had, I used to work for Dell, and I was what was called a resolution specialist.
	And it was my job to tell people no without them feeling as though they've just been told no.
	I totally know how to manipulate and just fluff people until they go away.
	I'm very good at that.
	But I also, when I don't have to be that way, I don't want to be.
	You know, if I don't have to be dishonest, then I want to be dishonest.
	Well, I hope Hoagland has the elements together, which I'm sure he's working on to put on a good show.
	He's going to start out with two hours to see how it goes, see how it plays out.
	And maybe he'll extend to three.
	I heard him say that Dark Matter Digital Network is going to have to move another show to add that third hour.
	So Hoagland's going to see how the first two hours go.
	And, you know, I'm with Jazz.
	I'll give it a shot, see what it's like.
	And he's passionate about his subject matter.
	There's no question about that.
	So I'm just curious to hear it.
	I don't really have an opinion about the guy.
	It just came to my attention today that the spec sheet is going to have something's going to have to happen with that because the spec sheet airs Wednesday mornings.
	Like we just did this episode tonight of the spec sheet, and it's going to air at 2.30 a.m. Eastern.
	See, you might have to be able to get bumped by Hoagland.
	Something's going to have to happen.
	No, I'll be bumped by art.
	Art's still going to be on the air at that time.
	Will he not?
	Oh, midnight to 3 a.m.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	But I think the spec sheet, I don't even know when the spec sheet plays over there.
	That's how disconnected I am from the universe I'm surrounded by.
	But I think it plays again the following day, but I'm not sure what time.
	I don't know when it plays, actually.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	This is White Crow.
	This is White Crow.
	There's this White Crow.
	That didn't sound white crow-y enough.
	You need to swallow the sound as it's coming out of your throat just a bit more.
	Okay, we'll work on it.
	That's a good one.
	It's better.
	Yes.
	Hey, this is actually Richard, and my forum name is loaded.
	Okay.
	I never post on there, really.
	Redacted.
	Every time someone calls and you go, oh, hey, but I don't think you really remember who 90% of these people are.
	I remember most of them.
	I'm just happy to hear the caller.
	That's what that is.
	She's feigning familiarity, sir.
	Go ahead.
	I am not.
	I am not.
	I'm happy to have a caller, and I'm saying, hello, caller.
	How are you?
	So, Richard, what's happening out there?
	Yeah.
	Just calling in.
	I wanted to see if this is an Art Bell worthy line.
	Well, you got through.
	What do you think about the Facebook thing today?
	I mean, are you of the school of thought that the Stooges over at Premiere Radio had something to do with all of that?
	Do you think they sent a bunch of, hey, this is not Art Bell requests to Facebook to get that taken down?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Wow.
	That's definitely their MO.
	Well, I can't rule it out.
	Anything's possible.
	And actually, I get it.
	Why wouldn't they do that?
	I mean, if that's all it, I just can't believe that.
	That's all it takes to get Art Bell's face.
	Art Bell!
	15 million listeners will be all it takes to get his Facebook page taken down.
	There's probably some algorithm that'll save and have a lot of complaints and been lodged.
	They'll just automatically take it off.
	I think you're right.
	That's probably closer to it.
	There can't be a human being doing that.
	We've got a billion Facebook users.
	Yeah, it's like a Facebook denial of service attack.
	It really is, actually, isn't it?
	It's kind of akin to that, isn't it?
	Well, I hope you enjoyed your phone call.
	I know I enjoyed it.
	I don't want to let you go, but you sound like you've tired of us.
	No, no, no.
	I don't think you're enjoying your phone call.
	I was enjoying just listening to you guys.
	Y'all were talking earlier about how you found the podcast or the forum.
	And I think I found the forum, I want to say maybe like a year, year and a half ago, I was searching for that old, I don't even remember what it's called now.
	It's the Pirates.
	The Fantastic Forum.
	Yeah, that's it.
	And so anyway, Bellgab came up.
	That's how I found the podcast.
	And that's how it should be, sir.
	Bellgab should come up with everything you search for on Google.
	I would like to go to Google one day and search for the word the and just bellgab.com is the first result.
	That's what I want to see.
	So I think I've listened to the podcast now for probably a year and a half.
	Wow.
	And I finally signed up for the forum when the Art Bell page was, or the Art Bell thread was approaching 666 because I wanted to post on 666, and then I missed it by just like a page or two.
	So I was like, well, fuck it.
	Ooh, such salty language.
	I know.
	Well, Richard, I'm glad you're out there.
	It really is.
	I mean, I always say this to every caller, but I really am always happy that people take the time to call us.
	And I'm happy that you're enjoying the forum.
	It's nice to know.
	It doesn't sound genuine to me at all.
	Calling back.
	When I walk away from this mixer tonight, I will forget Richard existed.
	I swear to you.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Richard, you're wonderful.
	I'm going to mark you in my diary tonight.
	Oh, how sweet.
	Thank you.
	All the Gabcast callers get written down in our diaries.
	Little known fact.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, guys, how's it going?
	Hey, who's this?
	Doc Holiday.
	Doc Holiday.
	Doc Holiday!
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Start making fun of Redacted with every call of the call.
	Well, I'm kind of disappointed now.
	I didn't get the warm welcome like everybody else did.
	Well, because now she's all self-conscious because I'm making fun of her.
	Correct.
	So now she's just not even going to speak to the callers when they call it.
	Nope.
	So, Doc Holiday, what's up, Betty?
	What's going on out there?
	What brings you to the show?
	Edway in on the whole Facebook thing.
	What do you think?
	I can't help but think it's coincidence.
	I mean, Art's had his Facebook page since, well, for years now, obviously, since Dark Matter was on the air, and there was no issues with it, and there's never been any issues with it until now, suddenly.
	And the timing, like everybody says, is suspicious.
	And I don't think George did it himself by any means, but I certainly don't put it past his fans because there are die-hard George Nori fans out there, unfortunately.
	There are?
	There actually are.
	I mean, I know that's hard to believe, but there really are.
	And I can't begin to wrap my mind around that.
	You know, and who knows if there's some form out there that they all congregate on.
	I'm sure there is, but you know, I don't think there is.
	I know you say you're sure there is.
	You just, in passing, just assumedly say, but I don't think there is.
	I really do not think there is a George Norrie fan forum out there.
	Maybe not a George Nori fan forum, but there's got to be like-minded people who talk somewhere on a forum that are fans of the show.
	Maybe it's a carnivore forum or something.
	Yeah, I think it's all the people that he's purchased glasses for in the past.
	But that's just my thought.
	I mean, I could be wrong, but you're saying you think it is coincidence or you think it's not coincidence?
	I don't think it's any coincidence at all.
	Just bad timing.
	The timing does suck.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	Whoever wants to tell me, I don't know.
	Did the AMA, the Ask Me Anything on Reddit, did it suffer, do you think, because of what happened on Facebook?
	I think I only had a chance to listen to it myself or read it myself, unfortunately.
	I've been at work all day.
	Well, I mean, in terms of, I guess, the upvotes that occurred, I mean, the prominence of that thread on Reddit as a whole, did it suffer?
	I have nothing to compare it to.
	I guess not.
	Any other AMAs?
	I'm not a user of Reddit, so I have no idea.
	It might have had a good response, but who knows what would have happened had Art been able to promote it on Facebook.
	Could have been even bigger.
	Yeah, according to Saucy, it went well, and he was answering questions the entire time, so it's not like they were cool in their heels.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, like, with the upvote, I don't use Reddit, and I don't know how it works.
	The upvotes determine what sort of visibility a particular thread gets, right?
	Was the visibility of this Ask Me Anything thread relative to everything else that's on Reddit?
	I mean, was it rather prominent?
	Was it a failure in that regard?
	I mean, if I went to Reddit with it.
	I thought he was talking about that.
	He probably missed out on traffic from his Facebook page going down.
	I mean, I'm certain there are people on his page who aren't on Bellgab.
	I mean, the only reason I knew about the AMA was because of the forum and Safi Rossi talking about it.
	But I'm sure there's, you know, 5,000 people that follow Art Bell who don't know of Bellgab and could have gone to that Ask Me Anything if his page hadn't been down.
	Yeah, it has to have hurt some.
	Yeah.
	Definitely.
	Maybe made a dent, but there's, like I said, other Blitz plans that go into effect today that should offset that.
	When will those be announced?
	Soon.
	When Art's Facebook page gets back up.
	Yeah, I think actually you can just replace that word soon with what Jazz Bunda just said.
	Okay, let's do that.
	Yeah, if you'd like to be on the show, the number to call is 623-242-CAST.
	It is 623-242-2278.
	There has to be.
	Go ahead.
	Someone mentioned on the Art Bell thread that they were asking what the people who use Reddit, are they the same type of people that use 4chan?
	And maybe people who saw that Art Bell was going to be on there thought, oh, well, let's disrupt some shit and try and take his page down.
	I don't know.
	What type of reputation do the users of Reddit have?
	Do you know anything about Reddit?
	A good question.
	Because you're aware of 4chan and the type of people that frequent that.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	That's why the Reddit thing kind of gave me a funny feeling.
	But when I knew Saucy Rossi was going to be right by Art's side, helping him with that, it felt a little bit better about it.
	Well, I would like to, at this time, ask everybody to close your Facebook accounts in protest and use Bell Gab exclusively.
	I'm Michael Van Deeven.
	Can I post photos of my breakfast, lunch, and dinner as well as pictures of my adorable kids?
	As long as you are not using your ad blocker on Bellgab, yeah, you can do whatever you want.
	I don't care.
	So I'm going to have to, now that you don't have a Facebook account, Michael, I'm just going to email you random pictures of my kids just so you're kept up to date with what's happening in my life.
	Well, at least they're random pictures of your children as opposed to the random pictures you previously sent me, some of which were better in, shall we say, horizontal view as opposed to portrait mode.
	I'm not sure whether that's a compliment or not.
	Well, they were random pictures.
	They weren't necessarily a view.
	So, you know, you can't really take any credit.
	So what else has been happening on the forum?
	I've sort of been MIA with my just funk that I'm in and just not really wanting to be around.
	What else is going on?
	Is there anything else?
	No, we talked about that.
	Yes, but I haven't released it yet.
	I'm really excited about it as well.
	About you've got a new trailer?
	Yeah.
	I think I said this before.
	You should do a trailer telling people how to make trailers.
	Well, that's coming.
	Well, I'm sure it is.
	No, I think we talked last week about the Great Unbanding.
	Do you have anything to add to that?
	Oh, yeah.
	I want to hear this from you.
	Do tell what prompted this.
	I don't know.
	Sometimes I just get, I don't know, maybe sometimes I get in sort of a mood where I just feel utter and complete indifference.
	And I say, what in the hell does it matter?
	And I just wipe it out, you know?
	I just, because ultimately in the grand scheme of things, our families, our children, our jobs, our existence in this universe, our health, all of these things.
	I guess sometimes I just get a little philosophical as I'm pondering our existence on this ball of dirt.
	And that's how I manifest my thoughts on the manner.
	I just, over time, I've said this before, so I don't really, I think the philosophies behind why I do that haven't changed from the last time I did it, but I am not infallible.
	Belgab is not run by a committee.
	It's only run by one guy.
	On the one hand, that's part of the appeal of Belgab because you're not being henpecked every time you do something because there aren't 30 people looking to henpeck you.
	But at the other hand, there's not a committee making every decision.
	It's just one dude.
	So it's a double-edged sword, and I'm not infallible.
	I am not beyond mistakes.
	And so I feel like the best remedy, the best check and balance that I can employ in observing that fact is to just from time to time go through and unban everybody.
	The only person I didn't unban was the Casio account because he's a convicted sex offender.
	And as he has admitted and as is widely known, and he has posted pictures on Belgab of the individual who is purported to be the girl with whom he committed the illegal sex act while she was extremely underage.
	That to me is just there's nothing you can do to recover from that.
	I can't even begin to imagine a circumstance in which someone who would do that, just to post that picture of that person, I can't imagine any circumstance in which I would say, well, you know, maybe this person's cool too.
	I can't imagine ever letting someone back in who's done something on the order of that.
	And so that's pretty much it.
	I just, there are certain, I mean, really, and look, there are great examples of people who have been banned, who came back and seemed entirely reasonable.
	Jack Starr, I think, is a great example.
	I don't think there's anything he has said or done since he was unbanned that any rational, reasonable person could really complain about.
	Except that picture of carving Jasmunda's name into his arm.
	Did he do that?
	Did he do that?
	Yeah, he did.
	It was really exciting to me.
	That's part of that.
	That's what I like about him.
	That must have been.
	That's what comes along with fame, Jasmunda.
	You're just going to have to get used to it.
	People send you pictures of your name carved into their anatomy.
	Yeah, it was all bloody and intense.
	So I have something this just in.
	I have been told by Art to check my email, and this is relating to what we were talking to earlier about the Facebook thing.
	He forwarded me the message from Facebook, and it really is.
	I'm looking at it right now.
	And they really said, we need to verify that you are who you say you are.
	Was this prior to taking him off or after once he's...
	Let me check the timestamp there.
	It was a couple of hours before the AMA was supposed to happen.
	Yeah, they decided, nope, today at this exact moment, you need to verify who you are, and they list different forms of ID.
	So it looks like he could have sent in one form of ID, and Art went ahead and sent in two.
	And I bet he's hot over this.
	I bet he's not too happy about it.
	But yeah, I'm looking at the message right now.
	Hey, you're on the air.
	Who's this?
	Hi, my name is slipping away.
	Well, we've had dinner only three times, sir.
	I wouldn't say that means I know you necessarily, but we're familiar.
	Yeah, well, I wanted to thank you guys for all the service you guys have been doing for this.
	This has been wonderful.
	I kind of faded away from Bellgab when Art lost his serious contract there.
	It's good to see that things are starting to pick back up here.
	I'm really, really excited to see what the next six days is going to lead to.
	Yeah, I really can't imagine what's going to happen with Bellgab.
	It's going to be just hard to imagine.
	It's going to boom again.
	It's going to be great.
	Well, it's going to, you say it's going to boom again, but I mean, it already is, and it's going to go beyond anything it's ever been.
	I just imagine I didn't say this when I was on Future Theater with Nancy Burns.
	I meant to mention that Bellgab was started, the forum software for Bellgab.
	I was in the sleeper berth of a semi-tractor trailer in a truck stop in Pennsylvania when I installed that.
	So Bellgab was installed from a truck stop, sir.
	How does that make you feel?
	Oh, that's amazing.
	That's a good idea.
	That makes perfect sense.
	That adds a layer of credibility.
	Well, you know, lot lizards, there's a lot that goes along with that.
	I feel it's Belgab's in great company there.
	I've never had any supply of energy drinks had to have helped.
	Since you're listening, Art, out there, I just want you to know that this is what I put up with to try and pretend about being on the radio.
	Carry on.
	Yeah.
	Well, I feel like I'm going to let you guys go too, but I just want to say Art, the 19th, can't get here soon enough.
	So thanks, guys.
	I really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	What I was going to say is I just can't, I couldn't have imagined in that moment.
	I remember it very clearly setting it up, installing the script, getting everything working, and then typing out the first post.
	And to imagine where things have gone from there, I never would have dreamed that things were going to become what they became.
	How do you, I mean, what is there?
	How do you quantify how that happens or why that happens?
	It's sort of that network effect thing.
	How do you get people there?
	You need to have people there in order to get people there.
	But if there aren't any people there, there aren't going to be any people who want to come there.
	There's sort of a certain something, some sort of lightning that has to be properly bottled in order for that all to fit into place properly and work out.
	Well, you also have to have something for people to come there for.
	And you've got two great things.
	You've got Art Bell and you've got Dave Norrie sucking.
	So you can't beat that combination.
	I thought it was the Falkey thread, but those other two things you mentioned, I guess they're up there.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Who's this?
	This is White Crow.
	This is White Crow.
	This sounds original.
	This is White Crow.
	So what brings you to the show?
	The time that Hoagie Show is on is also Bella Haven's trying to compete with us at the same time.
	Well, That's because when the Bella Haven concept was devised, I think that Nancy kind of assumed that Keith was going to put it on Dark Matter.
	I think she really thought that that's what was going to happen, and it didn't happen.
	For whatever reason, I don't know.
	I have no idea what the behind-the-scenes stuff is there.
	I don't know.
	I mean, well, really, I mean, the behind-the-scenes thing is that Hoagland is doing a show.
	I mean, and if you can have Richard C. Hoagland doing a show versus a show that's done by people that are not as well known, not nearly as well known as Richard Hoagland is, you're going to choose Hoagland.
	And they may have known for a long time that Hoagland was going to be the guy, but they just couldn't tell Nancy and Bill that because they wanted to keep it under wraps.
	I'm just, I don't know anything that anyone else doesn't know in this regard.
	I'm just guessing, putting the pieces together, but I kind of think that's how it went down.
	I think that Nancy was pretty confident that it was going to be the Bella Haven thing was a shoe-in to be the show that follows Midnight in the Desert, and it just didn't quite work out that way.
	I don't know the reasons for it.
	I don't know anything in that regard.
	Have you listened to Nancy's show yet?
	What's that?
	Have you listened to Nancy's show yet?
	Which one, Bella Haven or the Future Theater?
	Bellahaven.
	Oh, Bella Haven.
	I've heard a few minutes of it.
	But what I did hear was the very first airing of it.
	And I don't even really consider that to be an episode that I heard because I think they were just weeding out all the technical issues.
	But is there an implication in your asking me that question?
	Well, I think Nancy and Rose are pretty tight together.
	And the discussing arts guests and that each said he would go into him.
	And if it's something you don't agree with, he'll bring that forward.
	And I think you could have a premise that could be pretty catchy.
	Whereas in Coagland, he's an unknown as far as being hosting somebody.
	I have no idea how he's going to handle that.
	He's so dominant.
	Well, it's kind of what you need to be if you're going to host a show, though.
	You need to be somebody who's dominant.
	You need to be somebody who's confident.
	You need to be somebody who never wants to show up.
	Yeah, I think it's right.
	I think it's like your earlier statement to Kriegma Rise to the Surface between the two of them.
	Well.
	I'm going to take credit for that.
	That was me.
	I mean.
	I think what happened with the Bella Haven thing was that, as I said, Nancy assumed that it would wind up being the show to follow art.
	It turned out not to be, but they decided to keep the same time slot and just put it somewhere else.
	And there will be an audience for their show.
	There will be plenty of people.
	Look, go look around on Bellgab.
	There are plenty of people out there who do not want to listen to Richard C. Hoagland in any context.
	So I can assure you, there is definitely going to be an audience for Bella Haven, whether they air that show on Dark Matter Radio Network or they do it on this, what is it called, PSN or something?
	I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	There's so many.
	I was confused about Hogey's show, too.
	When you go on the Dark Mandarin Network, it's just subscribed $5.
	Is it going to be free also saying as Art says?
	Or is it going to be you just have to subscribe to your Olgi's show?
	All the shows on Dark Matter Digital Network are free to listen to live.
	I'm kind of surprised that Hoagland's show comes along with a $5 per month price tag, though.
	That seems a little ballsy to do out front.
	Maybe later down the road, after the show's a little more established and people get an audience and it begins to build its own little universe around that audience.
	Well, maybe then it all depends, MV.
	That might be his remuneration for doing the show.
	Perhaps that and any ad revenue that comes in for ads that are run during his show.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, that's your guess is as good as mine.
	I don't know.
	Hi, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, what's going on, guys?
	Hello.
	Yes, you there?
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Please leave a message.
	How goes it?
	No, no, no, no messages.
	Jacko Johnson, how'd you go?
	Hey, man.
	Hey, you asked about that thing with the Facebook with Smurry.
	You know, just from listening to what Hogan was saying about Tutan Tammy there, you know, the way he handles everything, you got to know it's them because that's just the way they are.
	You know, you just got to know it.
	Is this Uncle Paul?
	No, this is Jocko Johnson.
	Okay.
	Who's Uncle Paul?
	Jocko Johnson.
	Now, this guy, I do know.
	That's Uncle Paul.
	That's a character.
	It's a character that Jim Norton does.
	Jim Norton.
	Yeah, yeah, I know Uncle Paul.
	Okay.
	Has anybody said that?
	Shit.
	Has anybody ever told you you sound like Uncle Paul?
	No, I rarely sound like a few different guys, but not Uncle Paul.
	I'm sorry.
	That's good.
	Well, you know, it gave me a chuckle.
	Let's just say that.
	All right, good, everybody.
	I'm not back in your left.
	Well, thank you.
	But if I could get a few of those guys who ever did it in a room about six minutes and I won't even touch them, and I could tell you if they're better than that.
	Don't tell me.
	I believe that coming from you.
	Is this your ex-police officer skills coming into effect?
	Not exit.
	They're always there, you know.
	It's just like I said, I wouldn't even touch them.
	They just, you know, these guys fold in a heartbeat.
	They're all tough guys.
	You never forget how to ride a bike.
	You hear me?
	That's right.
	I'll smack your face left and right there, Sizzle Chess.
	Hey, that's right.
	That's what, you know, old Liverlip's bulky don't understand what he's dealing with here.
	He has no idea who he's dealing with.
	I can believe that.
	That guy is going to realize it's going to come out one day.
	I mean, I just, you know, I've seen some crazy people, but to have a guy like you say that guy, you're referring to Falkey, right?
	Yeah.
	And when you say he's going to realize, what is it he's going to realize?
	Well, I was posting a couple things up there saying how, you know, he's got to have a record of domestic violence.
	Why?
	No, two ways about it.
	Why?
	Because you could see his MO.
	I mean, it's all over him.
	Yeah, but until you're specifically aware of a record of that, you can't really make that claim.
	I'm just saying there's a big possibility for what, you know, somebody asked a question the other day: who thinks, you know, he was that he does this, you know, right?
	And someone asked about that.
	And I said, you know, you could just see the way he acts with her and how scared she is of him.
	She's in such fear.
	She flinches, you know, don't hit me.
	You know, I think it was Yorkshire Pudding said something about, you know, sleeping on a cement bag with pool balls in it.
	Come on.
	You know.
	I don't know.
	I mean, that's just my educated guess.
	Let me put it that way.
	I think he probably dominates her in every situation they find themselves in.
	I think there's no doubt about that.
	But I don't know.
	That's quite a leap to say he probably hits her or probably has an arrest record for doing so.
	I mean, I.
	No, I'm not saying he has an arrest record.
	No, I'm not saying you did say, but you're saying you think he probably does.
	No, no, I'm saying he probably has been involved in incidents.
	You know, I mean, there's a difference between somebody filing a complaint and just the police making out an incident report because they went someplaces and owned something.
	Years ago, they didn't have to make an arrest for that.
	You know, it was up to the people how to want to do it.
	My problem.
	The cops show up.
	They got to make an arrest.
	They take judgment on that.
	Right.
	Yeah, they don't have a choice.
	I guess the thing that I get most annoyed by where Falke is concerned is just the number of people who go into that threat and give him what I would, what anybody would see as reasonable, credible advice.
	And the only response they get in return is, hey, listen up, Carburetor Breath.
	You don't have any idea what you're talking, and just, you know, it's, why are people even bothering?
	Why, why, I, I. I'm so not into giving that guy advice.
	I can tell you that.
	Because I get the impression he has never taken advice from anybody.
	I think that plays into the whole dominance thing between the interaction with he and Kathy as well.
	That's an element of that.
	I don't know.
	Anyway, anything else you guys want to talk about?
	Because otherwise, I'm going to shut this thing down.
	No.
	I'm done.
	You're done.
	That's how Jasmunda locks out at the end of the show.
	I'm done.
	An hour and a half.
	That's all we get tonight.
	We don't have any more callers.
	Well, that's it.
	I'm done.
	Callers are, I don't know, kind of falling by the wayside there.
	So we'll wrap it up.
	We'll go out while we're weak and failing.
	How about that?
	I think we locked out okay.
	It seemed all right to me.
	Maybe not.
	I don't know.
	Whatever you say, man, you're driving the car here.
	All right.
	Everybody have a good night.
	See you guys later.
	Thanks for listening.
	Download the show at ufoship.com.
	That is ufoship.com.
	You can hear past episodes there.
	You can hear all the other wonderful podcasts we have available for your listening pleasure as well.
	And we'd really appreciate you doing that.
	And don't forget to visit bellgab.com, the entire reason behind this podcast's existence.
	If you're listening to this and you're not using Bellgab, I don't know what series of facial tics you must walk around with.
	There must be something askew.
	There must be something amiss if you're not a Bellgab user and you're listening to this podcast.
	Anyway, have a good night.
	Thank you.
	See you next time.
	I think next time is actually going to be well, actually, we're going to have a super special Saturday show.
	So if you're hearing my voice right now, be forewarned.
	You are now apprised.
	The super special Saturday show.
	If you're a subscriber to the Gabcast notifications over at bellgab.com, you're going to be certainly aware of this.
	The times, everything you need to know.
	But just know that Saturday night, a very special Gabcast coming your way.
	If you miss it, you're going to feel like a schmo.
	Just going to tell you that now.
	I know what it is.
	I think everybody hosting this show right now knows what it is.
	Am I right?
	No comment.
	Certainly do.
	Oh, my.
	So yeah, be here Saturday night for B Squares.
	See you guys.

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