Rep. Riley Moore and Bridget Phetasy join Glenn Beck to discuss Iran's war disrupting medication supplies, supernatural battles influencing politics, and Charlie Kirk's assassination. They debate Pakistan's anti-Semitic rhetoric versus Donald Trump's military trust while Phetasy shares her journey from left-wing comedian to conservative voice, rejecting the attention economy. Ultimately, the episode highlights how geopolitical instability, spiritual warfare, and personal transformation intersect in America's current cultural landscape. [Automatically generated summary]
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Iran Ceasefire Updates00:03:28
Today is a Friday podcast, and it was a very fun show, especially with the insiders.
But let me give you the to-go version here, the latest updates on Iran, the ceasefire, and kind of a continuation from yesterday.
Really?
You trust the prime minister of Pakistan?
Let me give you the latest news from Pakistan and their defense minister, their Pete Hagsav.
They're really very trustworthy.
Also, Billy Halliwell, fascinating conversation about angels and demons.
To space aliens.
We're going to spend more time with him later, probably next week.
And one of my favorites, as I say, a former pussy slut that I just love, Bridget Fettesy.
She didn't care if young people like her, and neither should you.
That's Bridget Fettesy all on today's podcast.
Oh, and don't forget, tomorrow, the series The American Story will be out in your podcast feed, or you can get it wherever you get your podcast.
We release the first five episodes. to our insiders about two or three months ago.
We've just, if you're an insider, that now you have episodes six through 10 and 10 through 20 are coming soon.
But episode one is going public and you can hear it now, tomorrow, wherever you get your podcast.
It is the American story, the first episode, Columbus to Jamestown.
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Supernatural Evidence Explained00:14:21
Listening to the best of the Glenbeck program.
So, I want to bring Billy Halliwell in.
We've just been talking about going to space and everything else.
And there is something weird that is happening.
And I don't know.
I mean, I think it's all misdirection myself, but I believe in aliens.
I mean, I believe, I mean, what, again, as Carl Sagan said, if we're alone in this universe, what an enormous waste of space.
But it's almost like they're going to announce something.
You know, that's what it feels like.
So Billy's the host of Investigating the Supernatural Miracles.
And I wanted to bring him on because he's been talking.
In this documentary, he has Hugh Ross, Lee Strobel, John Burke.
They're all people who have been on this show talking about these things, but he's honed them in and really put together a really remarkable series here, a documentary.
And I want to play a clip from it.
When he sat up at the foot of the bed was this eight-foot luminous angel.
That's when I began to realize there's a connection between demons and what we see in the UFO phenomena.
And on the last beat of my heart, my spirit left my body.
Is there a spiritual war going on around us?
Are angels and demons real?
Let's investigate.
In all ancient cultures, people believe in a spiritual wrong.
And I was struck that all throughout history, the vast majority of cultures not only believed in evil spirits, but believed in possessions.
And every major religion believes in angels.
For most of the world, the question isn't, is there a spiritual world?
The question is, which spirit is the most powerful?
But to say you believe in angels, demons, is oftentimes to expose you to ridicule.
Like, you sound like somebody from the Middle Ages.
Many scientists just write it all off saying, this is just people's imaginations, they're hallucinating, they're having dreams.
None of this is real.
I kept hearing, stop, don't go there.
And within a matter of minutes, a bomb went off.
All of a sudden, we hear this guttural sounding voice come out of her in the back.
Yeah, mumbo, jumbo, where's Lil's Bale?
Just like they always do.
And the one from the driver's side reached over and put his hands right in the middle of the flat spot.
And the one from the pasture side did the same thing.
My heart started supernaturally.
No CPR, no medicine.
What I uncovered changes everything.
Billy Olowell is joining us now.
Billy, how are you?
I'm doing well.
How are you?
It's good to have you on.
Good to have you on, my friend.
So it seems wonky, or not wonky, it seems, I don't know, religious hickey, I guess, to talk about angels and demons.
But I absolutely believe them.
And I think most people believe in angels and demons in some form or another.
What did you find that surprised you?
Yeah, you know, I found a lot that surprised me.
And let me tell you, we actually have new data that we're going to be putting out, and I'll share it here first.
We actually asked Americans what they believe on all these things.
And the majority of the country, more than 50%, believe in angels, believe in demons, believe in all of these things.
And, you know, it's interesting.
What has surprised me the most is how mainstream this topic is because it does feel wonky.
It does feel difficult to talk about.
And I think a lot of people.
Have had experiences, which we also gauge in this research, asking people, have they been spiritually attacked before?
What does that look like?
How do they respond to it?
And so for me, the big surprise is hey, you know what?
We feel like we can't talk about this stuff, but most of us are intrigued and actually believe in it.
And you know, it's really crazy.
I learned this as an alcoholic.
When you try to hide because you think it's just you, you miss so much connection.
And you miss solutions everywhere.
I mean, I hid my alcoholism as most alcoholics do forever.
And when I came out and said publicly, I'm an alcoholic, I really thought it would be a shameful thing.
And the opposite happened.
People started to connect with me and saying, hey, I've got this problem.
You know, I did these things and I'm really struggling with this.
And you start to find strength in that.
And I think that's why we are discouraged from talking about these things because we would find strength in.
the things that we believe.
We would find new understandings if we were just open and talking about them.
Absolutely.
And, you know, I've always loved how you've shared your journey, you know, publicly in that way because it helps so many people.
And I think that's the same thing here because, I mean, think about this.
There are people, and I can talk about some of the other things that really shocked me.
I mean, the biggest thing is that there's a lot of evidence for angels and demons and obviously miracles.
And if people want to check this out, they can go to cbn.comslash supernatural.
But I'll tell you, you know, I went into all these stories thinking I'm going to uncover something that will tell me it's not true.
There's got to be some other explanation, not because I don't believe in angels and demons.
I'm a Christian, I believe in the Bible.
But.
You know, look, we can make claims all day long that we've had interactions with angels or demons or that we've been afflicted.
I want evidence.
And so I was shocked by the staggering amount of evidence that is there.
But to your point, and we can dig into some of that, you know, I think that there's a real force that pushes us not to talk about it because here's the other thing there's, because of that evidence, it almost becomes apologetics.
It almost becomes this tool.
If you can prove that God is still moving, that miracles happen, that angels and demons are active, then that means there's a God.
And that was shocking to me because I had never thought of these topics as being something that could close that loop and actually help bring people to faith.
And one quick thing, and you know this story, I'm not going to name the people because people got very upset about it, but there was a prominent politician's son who was having a conversation with an apologist.
And they're on the phone, and this guy's 19 years old, and the apologist is trying to get him to believe in Christianity.
And he was throwing everything at this kid, right?
Like, hey, this is the evidence for God.
And none of it was really working until.
He said to this kid, Hey, did you know that there are Muslims in the Middle East who wake up after having dreams of Jesus?
He appears to them and they become Christians.
And like a light bulb went off for this kid.
And I realized when I heard that story, for young people right now, this evidence, actually, this supernatural evidence is the thing that could bring them over the line into faith because they've been so lied to for so long, so forced into this weird secular worldview that when you see something crazy that has evidence, it brings you into the faith.
I have to tell you, I think people feel it.
At least I feel it more universally than I've ever felt it before.
And I was just in Washington.
I was speaking to a big group of people in Washington.
You don't usually lead with God.
And somebody asked me about, Glenn, how are so many of our friends, so many people now on this path of such darkness, of, you know, of, And that's different than disagreeing with Israel.
But it's gotten some really dark.
And I said, I'm going to say something.
Maybe it's unpopular, but I'm going to tell you.
I think God showed up after Charlie was killed and he used that.
And we saw miracles all over the world, people finding God and going to church for the first time and everything else.
And for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
And I said, I think what the darkness and the fog that people are in right now is.
Evil, it's from Satan, and it's we're watching good and evil angels and demons duke it out all around us right now, and we're just feeling the after effects.
That battle is happening all around us right now, and if we're not aware of it, we could end up being on the wrong side really quickly.
What do you think about it?
I love what you just said.
So, these projects investigating the supernatural angels and demons in particular.
Has totally transformed my faith and the way I see things because what you just said, it's Ephesians 6.
And for those who don't know that, if you don't know the Bible, you don't know that.
Ephesians 6, the Apostle Paul is talking about how we all think that we're in a battle between each other.
It's Democrats versus Republicans.
It's me versus you.
Everybody's fighting and it's a flesh battle, right?
We assume that's what's going on.
But what's actually happening, and that doesn't mean we shouldn't get engaged in those arguments and have meaningful discussion.
That's not the point.
What's really happening is that there's a spiritual battle, good versus evil.
We can't see it with our human eyes, but it's pouring over into the world in which we are living.
And so when you see Charlie get assassinated, when you see these horrific things happen, even atheists will turn on their TV and say, that was evil.
And so the question is, well, where does that evil come from, right?
We know that what Ephesians 6 says is that that battle is going to impact us.
And so I actually don't think, and I was pretty convicted of this after working on this film, that we can really understand fully what is happening in the world around us and in our individual lives if we don't understand.
That battle.
And I will tell you because back in 2012, when I started working for you at the Blaze, and you would talk about all these things, I mean, you were ahead of everybody on a lot of these issues that we're experiencing right now.
I wasn't fully understanding what this battle meant, and I get it now.
And I think we've got to hone in on that because if we have any hope of navigating and not ending up, because right now, you and I both know there are people who are falling on the wrong side of a lot of these things.
And I'm not going to name them, but they're out there and they're impacting a lot of people right now.
And so we need to make sure people understand this.
And this film really is a quest to do that, not just in our, again, in our individual lives because evil can affect us, but also in our politics and in our culture.
So, tell me, by the way, you can find the film at cbn.comslash supernatural.
Billy, tell me how aliens are fitting into this.
I mean, here's the thing.
You know how this is.
You're working on a film, and this is well over a year ago.
We're having these conversations.
We're talking about angels and demons.
What are we going to do about aliens?
Because this is a big, at the time, obviously disclosure was becoming a big conversation.
I had no idea we'd released this film in the middle of this massive conversation about aliens.
What is happening right now?
And look, there's a debate, and I'm not going to tell people what to think.
There are people, even in Christian circles, and this film is for everybody, not just Christians, but who believe that aliens are very real and that they exist and that God created them.
But there are also people like Hugh Ross, as you know, who would take a different view on this.
They would take the view that it's not that people aren't seeing or experiencing aliens and UFOs, it's that the nature of what they are might not be what we think.
And Hugh's position, and Hugh's in the film, obviously, as you saw in the clip you shared, Is that these are actually interdimensional demonic entities that are appearing to people.
And he has a whole slew of thoughts about why that is the case.
And I will tell you, they're compelling.
Not everybody agrees with them.
They are compelling.
But here's the deal on the alien thing.
About 10 years ago, a lot of us would have laughed at this, right?
The fact that we would even be talking about it or having presidents and former presidents talk about it, we would think that was semi ridiculous.
And yet here we are.
And I would encourage people not to laugh this off because a lot of Christians on the issue of evil.
Have done a very bad job of addressing it because it feels weird, so we don't want to talk about it.
And we've allowed secular culture to talk about evil more than churches are.
That's why every Halloween you've got The Conjuring and all these movies coming out.
Hollywood's owning this issue.
We don't want the same thing to happen with aliens because this is not going away.
People are going to want answers.
And just like you said, it feels like something big is about to drop.
And so, what is your response going to be to that?
And so the film dives into that.
From a perspective, it's obviously Hugh giving his perspective, but I would encourage people to figure out what you think on this issue because it's not going anywhere.
Hey, Billy, can I have you on again next week?
I want to have you on just about the alien thing because I have some thoughts on this and I would like to explore it with you a bit.
Absolutely.
Billy Halliwell, again, the film, the documentary is investigating the supernatural miracles, and you can find it at cbn.comsupernatural.
Billy has been a longtime friend and co-worker, and I have an awful lot of respect for him, and I'm glad to have you on.
We'll talk to you again.
Hopefully, I can squeeze you back in next week, because I think you're right about exploring the supernatural and aliens.
I don't know what is coming, but I've never seen anything like this in my life before.
And, you know, just a few years ago, we would all say, well, that's crazy.
Well, I think we've seen a lot of crazy stuff happen.
And we're going to see more.
I think we're going to see a lot more.
We are.
We're going to see crazy, crazy things in our lifetime.
Billy, thank you so much.
We'll talk next week.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
Okay, I want to bring Jason and Ricky in because I just want to have a couple of conversations, just to make sure that I'm getting these stories right.
Because again, two hours of sleep.
And I just want to make sure.
So the prime minister of Pakistan is the guy who's doing the negotiations between us and Iran.
Lebanon War Confusion00:11:04
And yesterday, as I said, when people said no, Israel and Lebanon, that wasn't included in the ceasefire.
Our president said, no, it wasn't.
I told you yesterday, I don't believe Benjamin Netanyahu because they're operating on their own thing, okay?
But I do believe the president.
And if I have to choose between what did the president say and what did the prime minister of Pakistan say, who I challenge you right now, give me the name of the prime minister of Pakistan.
You can't.
You trust somebody you can't even, you don't even know his name and you trust him more.
And I said, you know, I think it's, I think it's, as an American, we should trust our side first with full understanding.
They could be lying to us, but it'll come out.
Well, it came out.
It came out.
The defense minister of Pakistan.
So this is, you know, our Pete Hagg, their Pete Hagg Seth.
Imagine if, you know, Donald Trump was doing negotiations and then Pete Hagg Seth comes out.
And says this Israel is evil and a curse on humanity.
While peace talks are underway in Islamabad, genocide is being committed in Lebanon.
Innocent citizens are being killed by Israel.
First Gaza, then Iran, now Lebanon.
Bloodletting continues unabated.
I hope and pray people who created this cancerous state on Palestinian land can get rid of the European Jews that will burn in hell.
Wow, now he's fair.
He seems like an honest broker, doesn't he?
Congratulations for anybody who said, I side with Pakistan.
I believe they have the best intentions.
Do you?
Do you?
This, for anybody who is believing Pakistan, I just want you to know what most of those people say, well, I don't necessarily agree with that.
You don't?
Really?
Because I'll bet you believe in some of that.
And more importantly, show me your friends and I will show you your future.
You are standing in a room with a lot of people that believe that kind of stuff.
And by the way, that's not just clearly.
I mean, you look up anti-Semitism in any dictionary, and I think that's the passage.
That's the definition of anti-Semitism.
But more importantly, in this case, if you're standing with these guys and you choose to believe these guys over the president of the United States.
It's just absolutely anti-American.
It's anti-American.
You don't have to agree with Benjamin Netanyahu.
I told you yesterday.
I just said it a minute ago.
They're on a different path.
They're doing what they think.
They think that they are going to be wiped out by the 12ers, the Shia 12ers in Iran.
I happen to agree.
That's the way I would read it if I lived over in the Middle East.
But you don't have to agree because, you know, you're next, but you're not first.
So you can, you have the time and the privilege to say, well, they're not coming after us.
Oh, it's not in our interest.
Israel doesn't have that.
That's what they believe.
You don't have to believe that.
Okay.
You don't have to side with them.
But Israel is evil and a curse for humanity.
Bloodletting continues unabated.
I hope and pray the people who created this cancerous state on Palestinian land get rid of all European Jews.
They burn in hell.
What?
Wow.
Wow.
Jason, any perspective on this?
Well, yes.
I mean, I just looked up in one of our copies.
We have an Encyclopedia Britannica here in the control room.
And it actually says under the heading of neutral arbiter of peace that you must use words like burn in hell when talking to some part of the negotiation.
So it is in there.
One of the people at your negotiating table that is sitting there, it's required for you to be neutral to say that person is evil and a curse on humanity.
It's part of the process, Glenn.
Yeah, don't question it.
Okay.
Also, don't question the fact that these are the neutral arbiters of peace, and they also basically housed one of the worst terrorists to ever live, Osama bin Laden, just a football's throw away from an army base.
What?
I think that's also in the Encyclopedia Britannica.
That's part of the setup for who you have.
Ricky, can you please talk this madman down from the tree?
I wish I could, but I'm actually getting a little blackpilled about the negotiation process now.
I really trust Donald Trump and JD Vance, but.
My word, how are you supposed to negotiate with people who have this ideology?
These are the most sane people in the room.
Please, I can't believe I'm saying this.
Can we bring Qatar in?
No, not Qatar, not Qatar.
UAE, maybe.
The lunatic that puts his enemy reporters into blenders, maybe, but not Qatar.
Not Qatar.
Okay.
I think that we can go back to your Valkyrie statement, Glenn.
I really do not.
I think all of this is part of the process.
I really do.
While the prime minister of Pakistan is copying and pasting what looks like from ChatGPT, random parts of the agreement, and putting it out on X, I don't know.
I don't even know if he knows who he's getting this from in the Iranian regime.
If he's getting it from an IRGC commander, if he's getting it from part of the political class, I don't think he even knows.
But I do think there's a lot of turmoil going back and forth within Iran, within the negotiators, and everyone is fighting at the moment.
Everyone's concentrating on this huge publicity game that the Iranians are playing with releasing an older version of the 10 point plan.
I think all of this is specifically about inner turmoil within Iran, creating it, stoking it, and sitting back and watching it as they get closer towards these negotiations led by JD Vance.
I have to tell you, I find this actually kind of refreshing because everyone is revealing who they really are.
Yes.
I mean, I like it when people talk, you know.
Everybody's like, they should shut up.
That is so dangerous.
No, let them talk.
Let them talk.
I like knowing exactly who they are.
We now know who our main negotiator, our neutral party is.
We know exactly who they are now.
Okay.
So, When they say something.
I mean, unless you just hate America so much.
I mean, honestly, you don't have to trust the government.
What has the government done to gain your trust?
Not a lot.
But what has Donald Trump done to gain your trust?
Right now, people are jumping off the speed because he promised us no wars.
He did not promise you that.
What moron promises any country no wars?
I'm sorry.
Beside Woodrow Wilson and then get us into a war.
What moron does that?
That's not even reasonable.
As a president of the United States, it's not reasonable to say we're not going to have war.
Okay.
What he was saying is no more of these never ending wars.
So we're in this now for 30 days.
Is that never ending?
I mean, this, don't get me wrong, this could go horribly.
I am not on the bandwagon of going, yay, we got to go in and kill everybody in Iran.
I'm not for that.
I'm not for that.
We're in this now.
What do you say?
We give the benefit of the doubt to the guy who I think has earned our trust.
He's earned our trust.
Tell me what, tell me somebody who is as a president who has done a better job.
at military operations done better than this guy.
I don't even know if I'd put FDR in that category.
It's been stunning what this guy has done.
So relax.
Monday, I'm going to share something, put something up on the chalkboard.
What if we back up a little bit more and thought even of a bigger picture?
I'm going to share this with you on Monday because I'm thinking, you know, there could be, this could be a disaster.
This could be an absolute disaster.
But is that a reason to freak out?
As I was thinking about this yesterday, I was on a plane going up to Washington yesterday, which, by the way, Russ Vogt, I love you.
Russ Vogt is, he's the guy.
He was the architect of Project 2025 and everything that happened in the first 100 days.
He's the guy, and he's hated for it, and I love him for it.
And because of the war and everything else, he was supposed to have somebody speak at one of his big conferences yesterday.
A big, big, big cabinet member who shall remain nameless.
Shall remain nameless.
And then I don't think they announced in advance that he wasn't coming and that I was coming in his stead.
And so they introduced me, and they were just like, oh, great.
Guys, that is not true.
That's Glenn.
Okay, that's.
Fainting humility.
The room loved it.
But I had a chance to go up there and talk.
And I got to tell you, these guys get it.
So I'm on the plane from that experience last night.
And I'm thinking, all right, if things go really, really horribly, is there a way to take that and make it into lemonade?
And I think there is.
I think it's actually, I mean, it's not what's happening, but I think when you hear it on, Monday, somebody might want to call the president and say, Hey, have you thought about this?
Because it doesn't have to go horribly to do this as well.
I mean, it's one of those, you know, one rock and two birds or whatever it is, one stone and two, whatever that saying is.
Chasing Younger Opinions00:14:06
It's Friday.
I'm tired.
Okay.
Back off.
You've had four good shows from me.
How many good shows have you done today, America?
Right.
Okay.
So I'm going to give you that on Monday.
But we just.
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Well, hello, Bridget.
Hello, my friend.
So good to see you.
How are you?
It's good to see you.
I'm so great.
Yeah, it's been a minute.
I'm great.
I know.
It's been too long.
You have gone through one of the greatest transformations because you were great.
Even when you're a hussy slut, you were great.
But to watch you, it's like metamorphosis.
I mean, you've just become such a well rounded, really cool person.
Thank you.
My husband was just standing here listening.
He's like, don't you talk about my wife that way.
I have a husband now, he defends my honor.
I know.
Yeah, I know.
And a daughter.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah.
And you, I mean, you're sitting on a set with aprons behind you.
That's not you five years ago.
I did always love to cook, but yes, I have become quite domesticated.
I was always weirdly more domestic than people would expect me to be for being a hussy slut.
So people would be like, you can cook, but I always loved cooking.
But now I'm baking, which I feel like is domestic, a different level.
No, now you're.
Now you're June Cleaver.
What was, first of all, before we get into your latest article, for people who don't know, what was the big change?
Because you were, I mean, you were on the left.
Did you ever hate me?
I don't feel like, I think I just thought you were silly.
I don't think I ever hated you.
I remember, I'm sure that Jon Stewart covered you and made fun of you.
So I think that I probably just laughed at you.
I don't, even in this crazy media, I don't have very much hatred in my heart in general.
So I think that I generally tend to lean on mockery as my way of coping.
And I also think that.
I don't, it's very hard not to, it's very hard to hate somebody that you don't know.
Although we all probably do this now with algorithms and being online, but I don't, I generally try not to.
And honestly, I think being in recovery, as I'm very open about, I always have to go back.
It's, you know, there's this expression put down the microscope and pick up the mirror.
So, whenever I'm hyper focusing on someone or hating somebody, it's like, what is this saying about me?
Yeah.
You know, it's amazing.
I was giving a speech last night in DC and somebody brought up, you know, all the stuff that's happening with podcasters.
And I said, I am not going to, I'll comment on facts, but I'm not going to talk about personalities.
All I say on this is I am so tired.
And I think the American people are too.
I am so tired of getting a list from somebody, it's seemingly every day, of who I have to hate now, who I have to declare is my mortal enemy.
Because if I'm not, I'm a traitor to somebody.
And it's like, I can't take any more of it.
It's just so stupid.
Is something going on in podcasting, Glenn?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't either.
I haven't noticed anything strange going on.
Yeah.
Or the president mentioning anything like that yesterday.
Wow.
Oh, I did.
You know how angry it makes me being a comedian, just to reference, since you referenced this, everybody who's listening, it's.
The true social post where he went on a tirade against podcasters.
And I'm telling you, it's unfair that he's the funniest president we'll ever have.
Do you know how hard it is to be a comedian and know you're never going to write anything that funny?
It is.
I mean, he might be the funniest person on earth.
He is.
If you miss his sense of humor, you've missed a great.
Time.
If you think he's serious about everything, you've missed a great time.
I think he has the best comedic timing of any non comedian I've ever seen.
I mean, he is brilliantly funny.
And it's something that I missed.
So, this is again something where I have to ask myself what has changed in me because when I've been thinking a lot about this, in fact, I probably should write about it.
But when I first came on the scene as a politician, I could not handle the sound of his voice.
I just couldn't listen to it.
And slowly over the years, I realized I was missing a lot of hilarity that people saw that I didn't see.
And now he just kind of makes me laugh.
You know, he'll make you roll your eyes and go, oh, geez, you're going to say that?
All right.
But I don't know.
We've been dealing with this guy for 10 years.
I know.
You know, Ronald Reagan.
When I was a kid, Ronald Reagan was president, and he would make you laugh, like, ha ha, that's funny.
Donald Trump can make you belly laugh.
I mean, absolutely belly laugh.
It is so funny.
So funny.
I was reading that post in the green room, dying laughing.
It was like, oh, yeah.
And we were just, how can this be?
I must be in a simulation.
You wrote an article, and this is what I wanted to talk to you about.
You wrote an article, I don't care if young people like me, and you shouldn't either.
Can you take us through this?
Yes.
I mean, to your point, it was a little bit of me looking around at podcasting and podcasters and seeing this kind of trend of chasing what I see as younger opinions.
Now, I understand this.
Your livelihood depends on views, and it is an attention economy, and the older people are going to age out, and there's a giant number of young people who are radicalized by these algorithms.
It's easy to understand why this would happen, but it also came across as that meme where it was like, How do you do, fellow kids?
You know, these older hosts where they're like, Look how based and cool I am.
Like, see, I'm saying those crazy things that kids are all about.
And I don't know, it just came across as embarrassing to me.
And I realize it is very Gen X of me to say, I don't care.
But it did feel, and saying, you know, like, get off, it's a very almost older, like, get off my lawn.
Yeah.
It does.
I get why people reacted strongly to it, and they're going to tell me that I'm going to be irrelevant.
And, you know, they make comparisons to how six, seven, six, seven, seven, seven, Who have also been literal murderers.
A lot of things that have been very popular were not good or right.
So, this idea that, oh, I'm popular and that means I'm right is such a very strange idea.
I understand it from if you're young, I can understand that.
But from somebody who's older, it seems like you should know better.
But you know what, Bridget, I think you're an alcoholic.
I'm an alcoholic.
We're recovering, both of us.
And that puts you in a different place.
I'm not sure if I hadn't have gone through the hell that I went through in my 30s that I would have the same perspective that I have now.
I know what's important and what's not.
And this business really screws with your head.
Oh, yeah.
And, you know, especially if you've ever been at the top where some of these podcasters, you know, when they were in TV, they were at the very top.
Leaving that alone screws with your head.
And then going into the world of podcasting, that screws with your head again.
And then if you do well and then you start to see things slip or you notice that things are changing.
If you really don't know exactly who you are and you're not willing to go, I don't really care if anybody listens, I could leave tomorrow and I'd be fine.
I don't know if you can make it.
Yeah.
Do you see any validity to that?
Oh, totally.
I mean, it goes back to a couple of things that you said.
I really do try and ground myself in those recovery principles all the time, one of which is principles before personalities.
So, like you, I try not to get bogged down in too much of the personal mudslinging.
I have friends and family members on all sides of the aisles.
I see that.
I see the same thing in media.
And I actually think it should be that way.
It's healthy to be able to have conversations with people who disagree with you.
I do think turning everything as James Lindsay is always talking about, this friend enemy distinction makes it very easy to kind of divide and conquer people.
And we have outside forces who are influencing this from other countries.
Now, there's also a lot of truth in the idea that, and this was really embedded in this piece, I've never peaked.
So I have literally built what I made.
Like, truly, I'm still an independent creator.
I've never had a machine behind me.
I've never had Silicon Valley money.
I've never had a network.
I can't imagine what it would be like to be Jon Stewart or to be you, even somebody who is on Fox.
Listen to that.
Listen to the way she said that.
Jon Stewart or you, even me.
No, but you, like your intro to this show, which is new, I believe, reminded me there was a time when you were on.
All these magazine covers, and that's got to be crazy.
I've never experienced that.
And then to have that, it's like being it's it reminds me a little bit of being a woman, and then you kind of enter into a later time in your life, and you're like, Oh, that was my peak.
I'm on the other side of it now.
How do I, how do I grapple with this?
And this is something that all women kind of have to grapple with is all right, I'm not everybody has to, you know, Ronald Reagan said.
Ronald Reagan said, There is everybody has a time.
And if you don't change, if you know who you are and you stay rooted in your principles, it's like there's this you're just sliding along a timeline, and all of a sudden your time comes and you just slot in.
And then that time passes and you just pop back out, and somebody else is popping back in.
Yeah.
You just have to know who you are and stay the same the whole time and just know.
That was my time.
It's not my time now.
And, you know, whatever, whatever.
It hasn't changed me or diminished me.
It's just my time was then.
Yeah.
Or now, forthcoming, whatever.
And I think, too, that is something, I guess, one of the things that happened to me when you asked me what happened to you, Bridget, over the past 10 years.
And a lot of people will say that in a negative way.
So some of it has nothing to do with me.
Like a lot of people will say, What happened to you?
And it's like a good thing.
The thing I hear the most from people, probably more than anything, is what happened to you in a negative way.
But one of the things that did happen to me is that I didn't really know what my values were.
I remember Ben Shapiro saying very early when I came into the space and he was talking about values and Jordan Peterson, and I was like, Values?
What are those?
You know, what a strange concept.
And it put me back into this kind of first principle thinking.
I didn't even really know or remember what that was.
I had strayed so far from.
Even contemplating or thinking about any of those things in addiction and just hustling to try and survive as a waitress and make ends meet, I didn't.
I didn't have the more I was in this space, the more I said, What are the hills I will die on?
What do I believe?
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What is great about this country, America, that we should all be celebrating right now?
It's our 250th birthday.
It is a miracle, a miracle that this.
Experiment exists.
I having and having a kid really, really activated that in me in ways that I didn't have before because I want things to be better for her.
I want to pass this down.
I don't want it to all go away because we were idiots, you know, and didn't and took things for granted.
And we're basically like trust fund babies of literal liberty.
And that's really what we are.
We're just trust fund kids of.
Liberty and freedom that people have died for whining on podcasts, and I want to build stuff.
America, if you haven't heard Bridget before, now you know why I just love her.
You're the best.
We've got to get together, get our families together.
I would love that anytime.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thanks so much.
God bless.
Thank you for having me.
You bet.
Bridget Fettesy, comedian.
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Welcome, host of Dumpster Fire.
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