Jeremiah Johnston joins Glenn Beck to debate California's $180 billion fraud scandal and the removal of a Ukrainian memorial mural. They examine archaeological proofs for Jesus' resurrection, including the James Ossuary and ancient Egyptian records, while linking the AD 33 timeline to the Artemis rocket launch. The conversation bridges faith and science, suggesting that rigorous historical inquiry and modern technology can coexist to uncover divine truths amidst political corruption. [Automatically generated summary]
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Wow, what a great program today.
You've got a great, great show just ahead of you.
I start with fraud in California.
It is bad in California, and it's everywhere red states and blue states.
I'm convinced of it.
And we need somebody to track it down without a team jersey.
Let's get to the end of this fraud.
I'll outline just what we found recently in California, and you'll see what's coming.
It will be very freeing and very helpful when we put these people in jail.
Also, pushing back.
On the atheist, I got my Artemis post, a community note.
God is not great.
It's man that's great.
Really?
We'll talk about that.
And Jeremiah Johnston is with us to talk about the archaeological evidence of Jesus Christ and the resurrection on this Good Friday and Easter weekend.
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So, you know, that mural up in Rhode Island.
I just want to touch on this quickly.
I got to get it off my desk.
It's been bothering me for the last couple of days.
There's a mural of the woman that was killed on the train.
Remember, she was stabbed violently on the train, died, and nobody did anything about it.
Well, an artist decided he was going to paint a mural on the side of a building, and it's beautiful, beautiful mural up on the side of a building in Rhode Island.
Well, the mayor is all upset about it and they're shutting it down and they don't want it anywhere in their city.
And he said, This has not brought us closer together as a community.
In fact, it's been quite divisive and a little bit ugly.
Wait, a picture of a woman who came here from Ukraine legally and was stabbed by a madman.
And you don't want justice for that?
That's not something worth remembering?
What about all the George Floyd murals that were everywhere?
Everywhere.
How about BLM on the streets of the capital?
That's okay, but this isn't.
He went on to say this is a movement that was funded by some right wing billionaires.
on like the left-wing billionaires.
Can we stop playing this game?
Please, can we stop playing this game of my team, your team?
We have to agree on fundamental principles of right and wrong.
Let me give you one.
And because America, and quite honestly, me too, there's a story out by Christopher Ruffo that is in our show prep today.
If you don't get my stack of show prep, you need to get it every day.
It's free.
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You'll get it every morning, and it has all the news that I look at every day and I think are important and we cover.
I mean, just we scratch the surface of it, but it'll give you an in depth understanding of the news you need to know about.
There's a story in there from Christopher Ruffo about corruption in California.
And quite honestly, I looked at it.
I have the attention span of a goldfish, maybe even a mentally deficient goldfish with ADD.
This story is very long and exposing corruption.
Massive corruption is really hard if you're trying to explain it to a bunch of goldfish.
So, most people will just tune it out.
They won't because too many numbers, too many programs, it's really complicated.
So, I spent some time this morning trying to figure out how can I explain this to you and give you a good deep dive on it.
But because if I can't explain it, if we can't make this understandable to the average person, then you know it's hiding there in plain sight and everybody will shrug their shoulders.
So, Here's what Christopher Ruffo and his colleagues at the City Journal have been digging into.
And this is not isolated waste, but it is, again, a pattern.
Remember, AI, artificial intelligence, it doesn't think.
All it does, because this is intelligence, it recognizes patterns.
So look for patterns.
If everything, no, I'm sorry, if a portion of what they have documented here is accurate, it is staggering.
So let me make it really simple.
First, let me give you the scale.
This is according to interviews with officials, audits, and public records that are reviewed in the report.
California may have lost as much as $180 billion to fraud and improper payments across multiple state programs.
Now, what I just said, I'm going to come back, and that probably didn't shock you at all.
But when I go through this, I'm coming back to that number, and I think you'll go, holy crap.
Now.
This is an important distinction and something that most people on either side won't do.
This number is an estimate.
It's built from multiple sources and it is not a single confirmed audit line.
Okay.
But even the confirmed numbers underneath it are enormous.
Let me just start with what's been confirmed.
Start with unemployment.
During COVID, California alone rapidly expanded unemployment payments.
What RUFO is now reporting, based on state admissions and audits, is that roughly $20 billion of that was confirmed as fraud, and $55 billion of that was classified as improper payments overall.
So let me just take the $55 billion, not even the 20, just the $55 billion.
How big is that?
If you spent $1 million every day, it would take you 150 years to spend $55 billion.
That is more than the entire annual budget of many US states.
You could build dozens and dozens, I'm sorry, hundreds of high schools and dozens and dozens of major hospitals with $55 billion.
You could fund tens of thousands, armies of teachers, police officers, and nurses, and you could fund it for years.
$55 billion equals about $150 taken, stolen from every man, woman, and child in America.
Not taxpayers, every single person in America.
For a family of four, that's somebody coming into your house, the average American has $500 saved in the bank account.
$500 is the average cushion.
This is this one program, one program in one blue state stealing $600 from every family of four.
$55 billion, if you stacked it in $1 bills, a million dollars is four inches high.
A billion stacked in $1 bills is 358 feet.
That's taller than the Statue of Liberty.
How big is it?
Is a stack of $1 bills at $55 billion, it would stretch 3.7 miles into the sky.
That's how much money this one program in one state has paid out in fraud.
That is something we should be able to see from a distance, but because these numbers are so big and it's going to get even worse, people won't understand it.
I mean, the fraud is unbelievable.
Payments were sent in the name of prisoners.
including death row inmates, international fraud rings filing claims from overseas, criminals bragging about it online.
We saw it.
This is not speculation.
This is all documented.
That's one.
Then comes healthcare, Medi-Cal.
Here are the things that are confirmed fraud.
And then estimates and warnings.
Experts cited in the reporting suggest fraud rates could range from 15 to 25 percent of total spending, which applied over time could mean tens of billions of dollars lost.
Again, this is not a confirmed total.
You then have welfare and homelessness spending.
California has spent roughly 24 billion dollars on homeless programs.
Okay.
What Rufo's team documents now, specific criminal cases, including nonprofit leaders siphoning Millions of dollars.
Developers accused of misusing public housing funds.
Fraud rings exploiting food assistance systems.
How bad of a person do you need to be to take food out of people's mouths that are hungry and take it for yourself?
And here's the key point.
Auditors have said in multiple cases they couldn't fully track the outcomes or spending effectiveness.
Not they didn't like it.
They couldn't track it.
So what's the pattern?
What Rufo is arguing in this report now, very directly, is this.
This is not bad luck.
This isn't just a few bad actors.
This isn't just, well, it was COVID.
This is an entire system where oversight was weak to begin with, safeguards were removed, or people told to ignore, and massive amounts of money pushed out quickly.
This is an environment where fraud isn't just possible, it's inevitable, and they knew it.
Now, to be fair, I'll again do something that nobody else will do.
To be fair, Newsom has come out and said fraud happened everywhere during COVID.
And I'm sure it did.
Emergency speed requires rapid payments.
But what I want to ask you is, was that a bug in the system or was that a feature?
How much was actually lost, not just in California, in the red states as well?
How much is still being lost?
Where were the systems?
Where were they?
If all of this feels abstract, let me bring it down to one single case.
There's another story in today's show prep.
Comes from San Francisco.
There's a woman whose job was to defend human rights and oversee taxpayer-funded programs.
Human rights.
All we keep hearing about are human rights.
Make sure that it's justice and fairness, right?
She's now facing 17 felony charges, including conflict of interest, perjury, and misappropriation. of public funds.
Prosecutors are alleging now that Cheryl Davis, who helped manage tens of millions of dollars, not from the state, but from the city, the city, the Dream Keeper Initiative, diverted money meant for vulnerable communities and it went right directly into her bank account.
Everybody in the city of San Francisco should be enraged.
How much money do you pay in taxes?
How come things aren't getting better in my city?
Well, this is why.
Let me give you the facts.
Nonprofit tied to her received $3.5 million in city funds intended to help homeless children.
The money, according to the prosecutors, redirected through organizations all connected to her.
In fact, her son allegedly received $140,000 deposited into an account she controlled.
A co-conspirator ran another nonprofit that's accused of helping facilitate the scheme.
And this wasn't uncovered by routine oversight.
This one came from a whistleblower.
Thank God for whistleblowers.
And it went on long enough that investigators had to execute more than 50 search warrants and over 18 months just to piece it together.
These are all allegations.
They'll be tested in court.
I want to remind you that.
Her attorney is denying any wrongdoing, but prosecutors are clear.
These are not routine charges.
And here is why this matters.
This was not a back office clerk, and this isn't isolated.
This and the other programs were done by people who were entrusted with public money, public trust, and a mission rooted in justice.
And when people hear billions lost, it feels distant.
Billion.
Corruption doesn't start at $55 billion.
And when you hear $55 billion, remember, you have five, the average American has $500 saved as a cushion.
They stole from your family and every family of four in one state on one program, $600.
One program, one gatekeeper, one decision to look the other way or worse.
Multiply that across systems with weak oversight.
Multiply it not just from San Francisco, but cities all through California.
Then multiply it for all of the blue states.
Then add in all of the red states.
Do you think this is just a blue state problem?
This is going to hit red states as well.
The numbers are going to be astronomical.
And if we don't fix this, that's how the whole thing goes apart.
One small abuse at a time until it's not small anymore.
But let me give you some good news.
I believe the president put JD Vance in charge of this because JD Vance's whole career is going to depend on the end.
Did you find anything and did you put them in jail?
And I will tell you if JD Vance is smart, he will simultaneously do a red state as he does a blue state.
And he shows we're talking justice, not political payback.
We are talking, this is the American money.
This is the American taxpayer.
This is about our very survival.
When you are stretched so thin, you have a hard time making money, enough money to buy your food for your kids at the grocery store.
I don't care who did it.
They're going to jail.
And I think you're going to see that.
I think you're going to actually see action on this one because it is in the best interest of a guy who's very, very sharp.
and wants to be the next President of the United States.
This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.
All right, let me take you quickly to Jason, who's going to give us an update on what is happening with the shot down.
Evidence For Jesus Faith00:11:42
I believe it's an F-15.
What do you have confirmed, and where are we, Jason?
So I don't think we've confirmed F-15, but that's what they think is what happens.
And it's going to be hard to weed through some of the propaganda and the false information coming from Iranian state media.
So I'm not even going to talk about some of the things that they have said.
I'm just going to update on what has been.
Supposedly confirmed.
So, U.S. officials to multiple different mainstream media outlets now, most of them are reporting the same thing that a fighter jet was indeed shot down.
They say shot down, so not mechanical failure or anything like that, but shot down in southern Iran, and a search and rescue mission is currently underway.
We've seen a few different videos from just people on the ground that have gotten out of some of this search and rescue happening, a couple of helicopters that are being refueled over the air in southern Iran.
So, that's really all we know at the moment, and our prayers are.
Very much laser directed on what's going on.
This is so bad.
Remember when this happened just over, I think it was Kuwait a couple of months ago, and our pilots were being approached by Kuwaitis, and you could see there was like, oh, dear God, what am I in for?
And thank God they were friendlies.
Hopefully these are friendlies that will approach them if they're approached or will get them out of there.
This is really important.
Stay on your knees and pray because this one could change everything.
All right.
Thank you, Jason.
Keep us up to speed.
Let me talk to you here and introduce you to the Prestonwood Baptist Church.
apologetics pastor.
He is the president of the Christian Thinker Society, and he has been doing research on the death and resurrection of Christ and looking for the actual evidence of it, not just faith, but is there evidence of there?
And I've gone with him to Turin in Italy, and we were with the Shroud of Turin, and it is unbelievable what science is now telling us.
Jeremiah, I wanted to bring you on and talk to you a bit about I think it's not a coincidence, but there is something happening, I believe, around this date, this time.
We are expecting to know more about a comet that might be seen in the sky beginning on Sunday, but also Artemis.
Is there any link to the dates of?
Yes.
Go ahead.
It's fascinating, Glenn, and I'm so glad that you're capturing this for the audience.
And what I want you to know is we have the exact date that Jesus.
Died by Roman crucifixion.
It's the best established fact of the ancient world.
He died on Friday, April 3rd.
Guess what today is?
Friday, April 3rd, AD 33.
We know that as a historical fact.
If we cannot believe that, we cannot believe that Caesar crossed the Rubicon in 49 BC because Passover fell on the 14th of Nisan, and we know that that was Friday, AD 33, a lunar eclipse.
Was seen when Jesus was being crucified.
This is all factual.
You can see this.
So that's why it went dark?
Is that why it went dark?
That's exactly why it went dark.
Absolutely.
And so the facts that we're going back to the moon on the very week where the exact day, April 3rd, the crucifixion happened, which means the resurrection occurred April 5th, AD 33, that is providential.
That is no accident, and people need to wake up.
I want you to pick up his book.
It's a great book, by the way.
I haven't had a chance to talk to you since I've read it The Jesus Discoveries.
And these are the 10 big, big historic finds that.
You will be introduced to Jesus face to face, and it is based on not just the Bible, but the facts that are provable facts.
So, can you take us through some of these facts that introduce in a different way?
Absolutely.
We're doing the more Glendiana Jones right now.
Isn't it fun that the Christian faith, unlike any other religion, certainly not Islam, unlike any other religion in the world, Glenn, you know this, archaeology is Christianity's closest cousin because Christianity is baked in facts, real people, real places, real events.
You know that I have a bunch of kids.
I have nine-year-old triplets.
I have two teenagers, so I haven't slept in nine years since my triplets were born.
And at dinner, my kids challenged me.
They said, Dad, what can you tell us about Jesus?
But you can't use the Bible.
Now, hey, we love our scriptures, right?
But the fact is, all of us listening right now, we need to know how to pass the faith on to our kids and to do it in two minutes or less.
And so I wrote a book, Glenn, about all the things we can prove about Jesus from the evidence.
We can build 65 facts, 65 about the birth, the death, the life, the miracles, the burial, the death, and yes, the resurrection of Jesus from extra biblical sources before we ever crack open the New Testament.
Now, here's the problem.
Most people are 98% of people listening right now, they don't know what these discoveries are.
And so I wanted to write it in a way.
My nine year old, who I dedicated the book to, Abel, was reading it to me.
I paid off, Glenn, I paid off every archaeologist I could to get permission to use photos.
So we actually have images of all these discoveries.
And this will give you that X factor when you're talking about your faith that Jesus is based in evidence.
But here's the cool thing, Glenn.
I don't know if you've read the chapter yet where I talk about you, Glenn.
I actually talk about you in my book.
Here's what I write I will never forget my dear friend, Glenn Beck, through tears, giving testimony.
In the Holy Chapel of the Shroud in Turin, and you said, It's one thing to see it on television, it's a whole other thing to witness it firsthand.
You were doing experiential archaeology.
That's what your audience loves.
That's what you did.
That's what Tanya and you and me did together experiential archaeology.
And here's one thing I do need to correct, Glenn.
A lot of fine Christians think, Oh, I just need faith.
I don't need proof.
Can I just tell you something, Glenn?
If Jesus did not walk out of that grave alive on April 5th, 2,000 years ago, physically alive from the dead, the Bible wouldn't exist.
Am I making myself clear?
He said in Acts 1 3, he appeared with many infallible proofs.
And so faith is always based in evidence.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
I think, you know, I don't need, I don't care what anybody tells me.
I know my relationship with Christ and I know, I understand redemption and salvation because I needed it so badly.
And I know that that is a power that does not come from man.
That is something entirely different.
And I don't care what any science tells me.
But the things like when I was with you at the Shroud, when you actually see these things and You can experience them and you know, wait a minute, wait a minute.
This is proven.
It doesn't strengthen your faith.
It just deepens it.
It just deepens it.
It gives you more confidence to say, no, no, my friend, I can talk to you about the spiritual stuff, but I'm talking about the scientific stuff that is provable.
Because a lot of people, they don't have any idea what's provable.
They just think, you know, they don't know about Josephus, which your book talks about.
They don't know that there's.
There was a Jew that the world's first historian that talked about Jesus.
That's right.
And Glenn, this is why what you're doing is so important with Torch.
By the way, can I weigh in on the poll since I'm a full Torch member, Glenn?
No.
Listen, Glenn, you told me to go speak at the World Economic Forum in Davos to all the people that are working with the Antichrist.
So let me tell you, you're absolutely going to go speak in Oxford and you'll mop the floor with all of them, okay?
Oh, geez.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
So let's go through a couple of things.
Talk about the James ossuary.
What is that?
The James, we actually have the bone box.
Ossuary is a bone box.
And we have the very bone box of Jesus's brother James.
How do we know that?
And Glenn, you're talking to someone who's been in more tombs and more ossuaries than anyone else in the entire world, okay?
And so ossuaries are what you would collect bones in.
That's all ossolagium means.
It means bone collection.
And oftentimes, Glenn, it would say, You know, Glenn, son of, and it would say your dad's name.
Well, we actually have an ossuary that says James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.
No other ossuary, and we have 150,000 of them on the Mount of Olives, says brother of anyone.
And this is what's so cool about this finding.
James thought his brother was embarrassed by his brother.
I mean, I have four sons, as I mentioned, and I don't know if you have any brothers, Glenn, but what would it take for you to believe your brother is the Messiah?
Like, what would it take for any of us?
It would take God.
Yes.
Exactly.
And so James was skeptical too, like many of our audience.
And guess what?
Jesus appears to him, 1 Corinthians 15, 7, and says, Bro, I hope we can time travel someday and go back when Jesus appears.
He said, Bro, check out my hands, check out my side.
And James becomes the leader of the church of Jerusalem, and he dies in AD 62.
And I know that not because the Bible said it, because who you mentioned, Josephus, that first century historian, he dies, Glenn, in AD 62.
Believing his brother is the Messiah.
I cry when I think about this because sometimes it's the hardest to reach our own family with the faith.
And so that's why we have a chapter in the book that, listen, James the Just, as he's called, died believing his brother was the Messiah.
And yes, in 2002, we found his ossuary.
Talk about the healing magic.
What does that prove to you?
This is so powerful.
Jesus is famous.
Glenn, you've written so many great books.
I try to copy everything you do because you're such a great communicator.
By the way, y'all, I listen to Glenn over pizza and turn and explain the American Constitution.
Glenn should be teaching the Constitution at every university in America.
Can everyone just say amen?
You are incredible.
So, magic, this is huge.
Do you know, and this has never happened to me before, before my book that Jesus Discoveries ever came out.
Popular Mechanics and other scientific magazines were doing articles on my book because of this one discovery.
Glenn, you may not have heard of this.
It's so new.
The earliest artifact that we have with the name of Jesus on it is actually a magic cup.
Now, stay with me on this for a minute.
Jesus is known as a miracle worker and as an exorcist way before the resurrection, okay?
And you think Luke 7 22, remember, 25% of the Roman Empire was sick, dying, or in need of immediate medical attention on any given day.
Frank Gaudio, my friend at Oxford, and by the way, there's Oxford again, 2008.
He's a marine archaeologist, so he does archaeology underwater.
He uncovers a cup, and there's pictures of this in my book, The Jesus Discovery.
Do you mind if I say it in Greek for your audience, how it appears on the cup?
Can I do it?
It says, Ho Goestes Die Christu, through Jesus the Magician or the Enchanter.
What does that mean?
That means that Jesus' name is so incredibly popular, Glenn.
That around the Mediterranean world, people realize if you insert this name, Jesus, there's power and it heals people.
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So, guess what?
That means God can heal you too.
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So, atheists are not happy because I posted something on X and it actually became a community note.
I witnessed the launch of Artemis, and the entire time, as I think many Americans were doing, I was saying a prayer for their safety because I witnessed the Challenger.
And until they had all the separation, until they were actually, you know, past that moment of launch and they were really on their way with no more go with throttle up, I was nervous and praying.
And so when they finally did it, Ricky said to me, she said, what are you feeling?
And she was rolling, you know, her phone.
you know, to capture the moment.
And she said, what are you feeling?
And I was so overwhelmed with emotion that what had just happened, but also that they were safe that I looked at her and I just said, God is great.
And I couldn't, that's all I could utter.
I had a lot of things I wanted to say, but all I could utter without blubbering like a baby was God is great.
God is great.
So she posted the launch and that moment.
And next thing we know, we have people coming after me.
God is not great.
Really?
Who is arguing this?
God's not great.
Science is great.
Okay, I want to talk to you about science and the difference between science and faith.
But before I do that, I want to show you something else that just came out in the Washington Post today.
The more people use social media, the less likely they are to believe that democracy is the best form of government.
This is a survey of over 20,000 Americans.
The same heavy users are far less likely to believe democracy is the best form of government.
53 sorry, 57% of heavy users, people who use the internet five, you know or social media about five hours a day, whereas 73% of people who use social media for an hour or less say democracy is the best form of government.
That is crazy.
So if you're a heavy social media user, you are more open to political violence.
You are less open to compromise.
This is what the survey has just found, posted in the Washington POST today.
They find it hard to get along with people who don't share their belief, and they are less likely to believe that everyone should have the right to vote.
That's incredible.
That's incredible.
Which brings me to something that Thomas Jefferson said about newspapers, but I just replaced the word newspaper with social media.
He said, The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but social media.
He said, Newspapers.
But that is our newspaper.
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but social media.
It's true.
It is true.
So let me take you to science, but I want to take you through science by looking at the calendar.
Today, it's Passover.
Sorry, Wednesday was Passover.
Today is Good Friday.
Easter is on Sunday.
These are three markers in time separated by centuries, but all all bound by one single idea.
Deliverance as an event.
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For a long time now, for a very long time, we've been told something that is not true.
We have been told quietly at first, then loudly and then confidently, then beating the chest and then told, shut up, sit down.
Faith belongs in one corner and facts belong in another.
That science only advances when belief retreats.
That the old stories, the ones that built civilizations, have to be discarded if we're to be considered modern, rational, and enlightened people.
I just want to ask you the question, what if that assumption is wrong?
Remember, we're talking about the same people who told us that butter is good, then butter is bad, then butter is good again.
It's going to be bad and then it'll be good again.
Science is constantly changing.
Truth never changes.
But what if the separation between science and religion, there was no dividing line there.
The dividing line is between open minds and closed minds.
And that could be on either side.
You can be religious and totally closed minded to science.
You can be a scientist and you're totally closed minded to religion.
But piece by piece, layer by layer, something remarkable is happening, and it's happening in the dirt, in excavation sites, in burial grounds, in fragments of papyrus, and the ruins of ancient cities.
Places like where the Bible calls Goshen avarice.
Archaeologists have uncovered something that they weren't looking for.
And this is amazing.
This is a story in the Glenn Beck show prep.
You can also get it at glennbeck.com today.
It's a free article.
Ryan Morrow wrote this, and he's been looking at this for a while.
What we found in the dirt was a massive Semitic population, a Jewish population, foreign to Egypt.
They were all living together, but they were not equals.
They were laborers.
They were slaves.
Remember, Everybody has said, oh, that whole Passover story, that whole story of the Bible, that's all false.
We can't prove that.
Well, now, wait a minute, hold on.
These were people that did not belong to the ruling class, they were part of the system.
Then there's another site.
I think it's Kuhn.
Same story, same Jewish kind of people, same conditions, slaves, four Egyptians, two separate places.
And here's where it gets really strange.
The archaeologists have found that suddenly these people just vanished.
It wasn't through assimilation.
It wasn't through war or genocide.
It wasn't through illness.
They just vanished.
Just gone.
What's interesting is it happened at the exact same time Egypt was hit by catastrophic calamities.
Massive death, sudden devastation.
They have found burial pits not filled with soldiers, but with civilians, and not just civilians, but children, male sons.
So it was an outbreak targeted, it seems, in a way that even modern researchers struggle to explain.
Burial pits with sons, Egyptian sons, died of something, they don't know what, and an enslaved population that at the same time just disappears.
that population was spared or passed over.
After they're passed over, they immediately leave.
And there's no record of the destruction, no evidence of their collapse, just they depart.
And exodus.
Now stop for just a minute, because this is the part where modern thinking is supposed to kick in and say, it's a coincidence.
It's legend.
It's myth wrapped around natural events.
Okay, maybe.
But you don't know that, and neither do I.
I can tell you what I believe, but that doesn't necessarily make it true.
But we're starting to find evidence that leans that way, not the other way.
If you read some ancient Egyptian papyrus that has been found, an ancient document, it's not in Hebrew, and it describes Egypt at the same time in chaos, blood, plagues, death, social collapse, children dead in the streets.
You read the records from that second ancient town they found, it refers to an, quote, evil hour.
A time of devastation that was marked by disease and loss suddenly overnight.
Now, the question isn't, can this be proven?
The question is now, why does this line up at all?
Why does archaeology begin to echo what was written thousands of years ago?
Why do independent records, hostile sources, start to resemble the same exact pattern?
Maybe.
Maybe.
Because the truth leaves fingerprints.
Over time, if you're willing to look, if you have an open mind, and an open mind means I'm willing to consider it.
It doesn't mean I believe it.
I'm willing to consider it.
And if you can make the case, then I will believe it.
But you've got to make the case.
But if you start to look, you begin to see that.
Now bring all this forward from Passover to Good Friday.
Another moment where the world thought it understood the story.
Man executed, movement crushed, hope buried, the end.
That's what it looked like.
But in about 12 minutes, I have a guest who is going to show you the evidence that is now because of science beginning to mount up that, uh-uh, it's not what people are dismissing it as.
It's what the book says.
That happened on Good Friday.
And then comes Easter.
And everything that looked settled now suddenly isn't settled.
Everything that looked dead is suddenly becoming alive.
Everything that seems like the end was something else entirely.
A turning point.
A reversal.
A deliverance that no empire could stop.
And so here we are today, thousands of years later, still arguing whether these things are real, as if reality is something we vote on, as if truth depends on a poll or consensus.
But history doesn't work that way.
And by the way, this isn't new.
I can guarantee you that if the story in the Bible is true, Moses said these things are going to happen to you.
And when they started to happen, the people in Egypt went, that's a coincidence.
I mean, this is human nature.
But truth comes out in the end.
That's the way it works.
That's the way God is.
What we're learning now through science, through archaeology, through the slow uncovering of the past, is not that faith was wrong.
It's that we're perhaps too quick to dismiss it, too eager to believe that modern means superior, too willing to close the book before we've read all the pages or pondered.
Could this be explained some way or another?
Is there any evidence of this?
Because now the evidence is mounting.
And to me, what this says, the most important thing is science and religion are not enemies.
When I said God is great, I didn't mean that God put the rocket into the sky.
Man did that.
Man used eternal principles, mathematics, not common core math, not math that man's making up, but math that is.
Been there since the beginning of time.
We just had to understand it.
And when you use those eternal principles, you can call it science, but it's eternal principles.
And you're able to do remarkable things.
But that's man choosing to apply those eternal principles.
And God is great because it's his design.
And then he created us, and he's given us this desire to find truth, to explore.
And when we actually come together and put our differences aside and look for common truths.
Look at what we can do.
God is great because he created us.
But here we're finding ourselves in a situation where two languages are describing the same language, same reality.
One measures, one means.
One tells you what happened, the other tells you why it matters.
And when they begin to align, which Science is starting to align.
It doesn't diminish faith and it doesn't diminish science.
It deepens it.
This weekend is not just a remembrance.
It is a reminder.
It's a reminder that deliverance is not a myth.
Do you want to live in a world where there is no deliverance?
That you have to depend on me or you or some system to deliver you from whatever it is?
I don't.
I want truth that survives skepticism.
I want truth that is actual truth, history, real history, that has a way of resurfacing even when the best of intentions and the best of people have tried to bury it.
No matter how dark that moment might appear, there's always mourning coming.
And science will back that up eventually, but faith gets you there.
The God in the Old Testament was the God of deliverance of a whole people.
And the God of the New Testament is the same God, unchanging, but this time, he offered personal deliverance.
And I have to tell you, I don't care what science tells me about personal deliverance, but I have turned my life over to him when I had wrecked everything in my life and it was impossible to fix.
And I surrendered to him and I asked for forgiveness and I tried to correct my ways.
And I haven't corrected all of them.
I've tried.
And I try to be a more perfect person every day and I fail every day.