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Yeah, you know what happened last night?
Talking To The Average Person00:02:07
He was talking to the regular person.
He was talking to the average person.
He was not talking to news people.
He wasn't talking to people like you and me that listen to this all the time and were tracking it.
Last night was, if you were.
Tracking this, you were expecting something new to come out.
No, he was making the case to the American people.
That's what was happening.
He was talking to the average person that, you know, actually has a life and lives their life.
You're not talking to people like us.
But there were some things that I wish he would have said.
And so I'm going to say them because there are some things that I really want to say to Europe and NATO that I've wanted to say for a very, very long time.
And I think they should be said.
And I hope it goes very, very viral.
You know, not necessarily here in America, but over in Europe, because it needs to be said and heard.
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Defending Our National Interests00:14:40
What is NATO?
What is NATO?
Well, there was a time right after the guns fell silent in 1945, and we realized the Atlantic Ocean didn't divide us, it actually binds us, and we had a common enemy.
We have You know, we had fascism and we had communism.
And out of the ashes of World War II came this North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO.
It wasn't just a military pact, but a promise that we would stand together against tyranny.
If anybody tried to overrun the West and try to kill Western civilization again, we would do that.
And because we're like this, we decided we would help repair Europe because you had nothing.
It was over for Europe.
And so, yes, we're imperfect.
Sometimes we're loud.
Sometimes we're often unrefined.
But we had a big wallet and we opened our wallet.
We opened our hearts.
We opened our factories.
And we rebuilt Europe.
And we were proud to do it.
Proud to do it.
But then something happened along the way.
A couple of things.
One, you just expected us to keep doing it.
And then two, you decided that you were going to be an empire builder.
1956, this is when our special alliance really started to fall apart.
It was the Suez Canal Crisis.
The Suez Crisis, as it's called, Britain and France, alongside with Israel, moved on Egypt.
And they just assumed that America was going to fall in line.
Well, our president at the time was General Dwight D. Eisenhower.
And he was like, no, no, we're not going to get involved in this.
In fact, we have to.
Prevent you from doing this.
And he didn't do it to weaken Europe.
He tried to do it to save Europe.
The world was watching.
The Cold War was tightening.
And the West couldn't look like it was an empire clinging to its past.
And that is the moment that the relationship changed.
And it should have become a partnership of equals, but it didn't.
It just got worse and worse and worse for us.
So, Europe, let's discuss this special relationship that you're so worried about now.
And I want you to know, I'm just one American.
I'm speaking for myself.
And I actually like Europe, or at least what it was, not what you are becoming.
And quite honestly, you might feel the same way about us.
And that's fine.
But let me at least help you understand where many Americans are coming from.
Back in the 1980s, we continued to pay for almost your entire defense.
Ronald Reagan stood before you and warned do not become dependent on Russian energy.
Don't trade short term comfort for long term vulnerability.
He said it plainly and repeatedly.
You heard him.
But what did you do?
You built pipelines anyway.
And we were dumb enough to go, well, we're going to continue to defend you while you're doing business with your enemy.
This is when the consequences came.
When Russia moved again, America stepped in again.
Recently, we spent political capital.
At home against the will of the American people.
None of us wanted to be involved in Ukraine.
We still can't figure out how that's our war, okay?
But we sent billions upon billions upon billions of dollars in aid, more than you did weapons, intelligence, logistics, support.
We spent our treasure in the illusion that we were partners.
But I guess in some ways we were partners.
I mean, I guess.
I mean, we spent billions of dollars so the Ukrainian elite could buy.
Italy's Ferraris, so Paris could sell its beloved Couture, so Monaco could rake in the dollars on its gaming tables.
You're welcome, Europe.
And in a moment of our own insanity, we actually paid the pension for the Ukrainian government workers.
We put ourselves deeper in debt for your security and our hypothetical security.
Okay, how is this a problem for America?
But I want to thank you for thanking us so much and repaying.
Oh, no, no, just like always, you never repay us, at least not in cash.
Instead, you take our hard earned money from American taxpayers and you squander it.
We can do that ourselves, quite frankly.
We're pretty good at it.
We don't need you to help us.
We, you know, also something that really bothers me we seem to worry more about the rapes of your own daughters and mothers and sisters on the streets of Ukraine and Denmark and Norway and Great Britain and France than your governments do.
Why do we care more about that than your government does?
Maybe it's because your government believes that the American cash machine is always going to be there.
And they think you're dumb enough just to allow them to continue to buy your vote.
But you're not that dumb.
And neither are we.
You know, we wonder why they should care about who's raping your citizens when it seems, at least, they're so busy raping the American people.
We have hemorrhaged treasure in Ukraine, a country that honestly means nothing to our national security, in my opinion, but everything to yours.
And we did it not because it was popular at home.
It's because apparently we still believed, perhaps stubbornly, in the idea that the West stood together on something, that we were all together trying to fight the bad guys, the bullies, the bloodthirsty.
But let's be honest about what together means.
Actually, it has become to mean.
America spends, you hesitate.
America deploys, you debate.
America warns, you delay, or just walk right through it.
And then when the American people hire somebody, Donald Trump, who will actually say what you're all thinking in your own countries and point to the problems and then try to solve them in our country, the criticism comes back from your leaders that America is rude.
Yep, we are.
Sorry, we don't have tea in the afternoon.
America is brash.
Yep, that's what got us over here and made us cross the mountains.
Now it's America is somehow the problem.
No, no, no, no, not going to stand for that.
We're not the problem.
The problem is this a partnership where one side carries the weight indefinitely.
That's not a partnership.
That's a very special alliance, but one we shouldn't be in.
Alliances are tested in moments that cost both sides something.
And recently, when the stakes were not theoretical, when the stakes were immediate, you couldn't even grant the United States your special alliance, something that would have cost you nothing, nothing.
When the moment comes that requires a smidge of clarity and courage, you couldn't even agree to open your own airspace to the very ally that has carried your burden for decades.
We didn't ask you for troops, we didn't ask you for treasure.
We asked if our planes could borrow your sky for a few minutes.
Sky that would have allowed us to strike the future capability of nuclear tipped missiles, missiles that have pointed north instead of elsewhere, would have reached your cities, your capital, your people.
And your leaders have the balls to say that threat wasn't real.
Really?
Really?
Ask Mr. Starmer to explain the.
Missile that Iran launched at us that traveled 4,000 miles.
Gee, I could have hit Paris, France, but it didn't, so it must not exist.
And while we're here speaking plainly, let's talk about oil for a second, because Donald Trump said, go get your own oil.
And this is one American that says, yeah, yeah.
And I like Europe.
I really like Europe, but I am sick and tired of this.
For decades, you have enjoyed Energy that was cheaper.
I mean, not cheaper than here because most of your money is all in taxes.
But you have cheaper oil than you do now.
Why?
Not because of smart policy, but because the United FN States Navy patrolled the sea lanes.
Who was it that shot the Somali pirates in the head?
You guys or us?
Who confronted the terrorists in the Strait of Hormuz?
You or us?
We absorb the cost of keeping global trade flowing so your economy can run without interruption.
That stability is not free, gang.
It was paid for in American ships, American lives, and American dollars.
So, yes, yes, your gasoline, your petrol is going to cost you more now because of the short sighted politicians.
And you know it.
You're not with them.
You know it.
And by the way, you think your fuel costs are high now?
Most of that cost is tax so they can house and feed and care for the very extremists that came to destroy you.
Remember, NATO was to stop anyone who was trying to destroy the West.
You're importing them, as are we, but we're at least trying to wake up and stop it.
By the way, wait until you see what your taxes do now that you actually have to raise an army to protect yourself.
If you even have enough natural born citizens that still believe your country is worth fighting for, Ask Germany how that's working out.
We're cousins.
It doesn't have to be this way.
But your politicians chose to slap your partner across the face while still expecting us to guard your front door, your back door, and all your windows.
And we understand why.
You and I both know many of your cities are now dealing with something your leaders are unwilling to name because they're chicken.
Ideology that doesn't believe in the West, doesn't believe in your values, doesn't believe in your civilization, it doesn't believe it should even endure or be there at all.
It's the same ideology that we are now confronting directly, openly in Iran.
And your leaders hesitate not because they don't see it, but because they fear what it means to admit it.
But you know what?
Denial doesn't neutralize the danger, it invites it.
So, Europe, here's where at least this American stands.
We are not walking away from the world.
We like you.
We want to have a relationship with you.
But we are so done pretending that an alliance is healthy when it's all one-sided, where we're always paying the bill.
We're done pretending that friendship requires silence.
Real friendship, real relationship says, you got a problem, dude.
You got to solve this.
We're trying to help you.
And we are done pretending that reality can be negotiated.
This American says it's time for America because we're in a bad situation too.
We need to defend our interests.
We will confront threats as we see them.
And we will write our future deliberately, defiantly, maybe a little roughly at times.
But with the belief that tomorrow is not to be feared, it's something to build.
And honestly, truly, truly, I pray that you will get politicians that will stand with us in that work.
But understand this if you continue to refuse to look into the mirror, if you refuse to name what's happening within your own borders, if you continue to depend on others while resenting them for it, the story we once wrote together, page by page, sacrifice by sacrifice, it's not going to end in triumph for you.
It will have you ending as a cautionary tale.
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Fear Of A NATO Mission00:02:43
Sorry, that might have been a little harsh for the European ears.
I loved it, but I could just hear Macron saying, Oh, this is not a NATO mission.
We will not be drawn into the war.
Let me ask you, what is the NATO mission?
The NATO mission is not just about Russia, it is to defend Western civilization.
What is attacking Western civilization?
You can live in the old timey days where, you know, the Russians were your biggest threat.
It's not your biggest threat.
Your biggest threat is.
Are the Islamic nations that want a caliphate who are invading?
You would never put up with all these Russians coming in and living their Russian culture and then living in your town, setting up their own little no go zones.
You imagine that Russians all have their own little no go zones all over Europe.
You would tolerate that?
You wouldn't tolerate that for half a second.
So, that argument is not good enough for you.
Do you have any sympathy for them?
Because you know, we started the war.
They didn't.
They're afraid they're going to get attacked.
Their oil prices are increasing.
Yeah, I have sympathy.
I don't want to pay higher oil prices.
I don't want to be in this war.
I don't want to be in this war, but we're in it.
We're in it.
And this is more of a threat.
It's a faster threat to them than it is to us.
You think you have a case to make?
Well, we don't know if they were actually a threat and had any missiles.
No, they had missiles.
They launched one.
They had missiles that could hit your capitals, not ours, yours.
It's a bigger threat to Europe than it is to us.
And by the way, if you want somebody who has nuclear missiles, who is a terrorist state, getting stronger and stronger, and they control the choke point, they are.
You think your gas prices are high now?
Can you imagine how high they would be if they had the entire world hostage because they had nuclear weapons and the choke point?
You may not like the way Donald Trump has handled it, but.
We're not carrying the water, so you can be quite frankly pusses sitting around going, Oh, I'm too afraid of my own people.
That should tell you something that your country is already lost.
It's already lost.
If you can't say anything because you're afraid your own people or the people you've allowed in your country might set your streets on fire, that should tell you something.
Oh, I'm on you.
What?
Preparing Your Emergency Food Supply00:02:24
Oh mon dieu!
That's what Macron is saying right now.
I don't even know what that means, and I'm proud that I don't know what that means.
Is he asking for more of that dipping sauce for French dip?
I don't know what it means.
Je ne sais pas.
Okay, all right.
I'm going to have to, I think I'm going to have to fire you today.
You know too much French.
Okay, back in just a second with, oh, so much more, including Chip Roy is joining us to talk about.
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Common Sense And The Supreme Court00:15:13
Hello.
I have a question for you today.
Let's say I go to Japan and I have a wallet and somebody takes my wallet.
Do I have a contract with Japanese people to go find my wallet?
I don't understand how it works.
You know, I have to tell you, in watching the Supreme Court yesterday and Some of their brilliant arguments.
I, you know, I appreciate, as a humanitarian, I appreciate that we hire the handicap.
I just don't think we should hire them for that job.
I mean, maybe it's just me, but I got a wallet, go to Japan, the Japanese people have a contract with me to find my wallet.
Oh my gosh.
I mean, even when the liberal justices are like, oh God, can somebody shut her up?
That's a problem.
That is a deep, deep problem.
Who is her?
I don't know what you're talking about.
What are you saying?
Who are you?
What?
Sodomire.
No.
Hagen.
No.
Okay, it's the other one.
What are you saying?
Are you.
Wow, I didn't imply any of what she was just implying.
I got a wallet.
I'm going to Japan.
I don't know why I'm in Japan all of a sudden.
Maybe I was there for a sex bot.
I don't know.
You also sound like the media yesterday who were super, super concerned about President Trump sitting in.
He was there to threaten the justices.
Oh my gosh.
And they were so threatened by him.
Oh, they were so threatened by him.
Oh God.
Would you all just shut your pie hole?
Can we actually talk?
Can we stop making everything about politics?
Can we, please?
When I say a Supreme Court justice might be mentally deficient, I'm not saying that because she's a liberal.
I'm saying because I think a box of shoelaces may be able to have more compute power than she has.
Let's talk about the Constitution.
Have you ever read it?
For the love of God, have you ever read it?
And don't even get me started on Roberts.
What the hell was Justice Roberts saying?
The Constitution is historic.
And it doesn't live in the now necessarily, but it doesn't necessarily not live in the now.
Oh, what are you talking about?
You're making my head hurt.
Why do we have birthright citizenship?
Why?
Why did they write that?
Why did they write that?
They wrote that at a time when people are like, yeah, the slaves might have been born here.
Slaves might have been born here, but that doesn't make them American.
And so, what was that written for?
That was to say, yes.
Slaves are America.
Do you know why that had to be done?
Because the stupid Supreme Court had just a few years earlier said no slave can ever be a citizen.
No slave can ever be a citizen.
That wasn't right.
What are you talking about?
And so we had to make sure that they had the right.
It was not.
Is the Constitution a suicide pact?
I just want to know.
Is the Constitution a suicide pact?
Because then I understand birthright citizenship.
Then I understand it.
If you can have people come in from China, a sworn enemy, and just have babies and then raise them in China and then bring them over here when they're a voting age so they can vote in our elections, that's a suicide pact.
Okay?
There's got to be some common sense.
You know what?
All of our children, all of our 18,000 children were born here, and we all believe in Sharia law.
We've hated this country from the very beginning.
We came over here so we could have our 18,000 children because we knew that when they grow up, they're going to be able to change the course of this country by voting for Sharia law.
That's not what that was for.
That's not what that was for.
You have to apply some common sense occasionally.
But why would we expect that?
Honestly, why would we expect that from anybody on the left?
And that's not a political comment.
I don't think there's a lot of common sense.
No, there's some common sense.
They're just so stupid and so self-centered.
They won't even recognize the world we're living in today.
That's the GOP.
Okay.
This one on the left, there's no common sense there unless your common sense is let's destroy America.
If that's the thing that unites you, then they're with that plan.
Let's destroy America.
And then that's the leadership.
And then they've taken control of our educational system and our media to take the average person and just put them to sleep.
Absolutely put them to sleep.
So you'll actually sit there at home and you'll listen to somebody say, And I went to Japan and I got a wallet.
You listen to that and go, you know what?
She makes a good point.
No, she doesn't.
No, she doesn't.
If that was somebody on our side, would you accept that as a good, valid point?
No, you wouldn't.
And you know what?
If they were on my side and they were like, I've not got a wallet, I would be saying this person is a moron.
How can you be so blind to what is going on?
Am I alone in this?
Jason, Ricky, am I alone in this?
No, and actually, the Daily Wire has an op ed today that says that Katanji Brown Jackson needs to be impeached.
She should be.
How does that process work, and has it ever happened?
I'm out of my depth.
I do not know.
But I could go on the ISA.
But if I had a wallet, I would know all of the answers.
I don't know.
I'd have to look that up.
There have been many Supreme Court justices that should have been impeached just based on, you know, for instance, you know, a slave can never be a U.S. citizen.
I can't remember the case, and it's such a very important one.
Everybody else knows the case that they came from.
Yeah, it was a Dred Scott.
Dred Scott.
Okay.
That, for the love of Pete, for the love of Pete, that was an abomination back then.
It's an abomination today.
And we all know it.
And in the dead of night, I can wake up anybody.
If outside, if I could get them and wake them out of their political space.
Their political sleep to where everybody just kind of is walking in this sleep, and then it's like, Wait, what side is my side on?
What side is my team for this time?
Okay, my team's for that, then I'm for that too.
If I could just wake people up in the middle of the night out of that political sleep and say, Hey, should people coming from hostile countries be able to just have babies, have tourism to where they have babies over here in America?
Then raise them in their hostile nation.
And then when they're 20, send them over here to vote.
Everybody would say, no, that doesn't make any sense at all.
No sense at all.
But that's what we're doing.
That's what we're doing.
And I'm sorry, but that doesn't fly with me.
Is Chip Roy going to be on today or is he?
We keep being told he's one minute out.
He's one minute out.
Got two minutes left for him now.
So if he's not here in one minute, he's going to miss because, as riveting as one minute would be with Chip, because it always is, we're going to have to pass on this because we are out of minutes for him.
I don't know.
Jason, how is this going to end with the Supreme Court?
It did not look good for the side of sanity.
Nah, it doesn't look good.
And I actually did a really quick search to see if you can impeach a sitting Supreme Court justice.
You can.
It's got to go through the typical impeachment process through the House, then the Senate.
But the only thing I see that is the stipulation is for treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
I propose to add in another clause to there, also after high crimes and misdemeanors, also being dumber than a box of shoelaces.
That I think we might be good here.
I would like to call that the I got a wallet clause.
How are you impeaching her?
We're impeaching her on the I got a wallet clause.
Chip, we're almost out of time.
Let me come to you.
Thanks for joining.
I know you're.
Wildly busy today.
Can you just give us the rundown on the I've got a wallet in Japan stuff yesterday?
It looks like this Supreme Court is going to go for birthright citizenship, which is suicide.
Well, Glenn, great to be on.
Sorry, I'm a little bit late.
You're right.
I'm on the campaign trails running for attorney general across the coast of Texas.
So, bottom line here is, I'll be back.
You got that in.
You got that in.
Good for you.
All right.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You got to squeeze it in.
So, yesterday, I was able to only listen to pieces of it.
I read a bunch of the summaries late night when I got back into the hotel room.
And, yeah, very discouraging about some of the line of questioning by the Chief Justice, by Amy Coney Barrett, and some others.
Look, I remain hopeful that common sense will prevail.
I wish the solicitor had been a little bit harder core.
In the fundamental core arguments about the 14th Amendment and the interpretation of it, it is absolutely insane to tell me that under the logical conclusion of, quote, birthright citizenship as it's currently interpreted, that 20 million Chinese communist mothers can come to America tomorrow, deliver 20 million babies, and you have 20 million citizens.
That is ridiculous, just facially ridiculous.
The 14th Amendment does not stand for that.
A subject of the jurisdiction thereof was a very understood term at the time, and that whole thing was designed to deal with the issue of obviously.
The post slavery universe in which we needed to deal with how we treat those human beings.
But it was not meant for everybody under the sun to come to America, have a baby, and become a citizen.
And I hope that that will prevail.
We filed a lot of really good amicus briefs.
I led one with my good friend Chuck Cooper.
I was proud that my work was cited yesterday in the courtroom when Chief Justice Roberts asked the solicitor, Hey, what do you have on this birth tourism stuff?
He said, Look, you know, 19 congressmen sent a letter.
I led that effort along with Tom Tiffany.
To say, look, birth tourism is a real problem.
Here's what we understand is the background and the date on it.
And I'm glad that my work was cited, but you know what?
That doesn't matter if we don't win.
We've got to win this stuff.
And look, I hope, again, logical prevail, but we'll just have to wait and see what the court does.
But as Attorney General, I'm going to continue to fight and we'll continue to litigate this issue.
If they don't do the right thing, there's more angles to pursue, but it just defies common sense that we would allow that to proceed.
Okay, Chip, I got it.
I mean, the whole thing yesterday with Iran, You know, where we're headed on that while we can't seem to fund DHS, we are not passing, you know, the Save America Act.
I mean, we are, if we lose the next two elections, the Congress and the Senate, possibly, and the presidential election, everything Donald Trump has done is over because Congress didn't codify any of this stuff.
And they are bleeding.
Beautiful bill, they're bleeding that dry because we keep saying, well, we can just pay him out of the big, beautiful bill.
We can just pay him out of that.
Well, no, I'm sorry.
If we do, then we don't get to do all the other things.
And they know that, that are in the big, beautiful bill.
Correct?
Well, Glenn, look, this is the fight that we had last night.
Is he there?
No.
We lose him?
Yeah, I'm here.
Hey, Glenn.
Well, that was a fascinating conversation.
Conversation with Chip Roy.
Chip, are you there?
Hey, Glenn.
Yeah, Glenn, how are you?
Okay, you're there.
Okay, good.
Okay, sorry.
I thought we lost you.
I thought we lost you.
No, sorry.
This was the fight last week that we had.
Yeah, this was the fight we had last week where the Senate tried to jam us with a bill that wasn't going to fund Border Patrol and ICE.
I find that offensive.
Those men and women that are defending our country deserve full funding.
And yes, I know because we had the foresight to put some money out there in the one big beautiful bill for additional enforcement that we have a backstop, but we shouldn't let that be a crutch to then bleed that dry while Democrats hammer our guys.
Look, We have got to deliver on what the president's trying to do and what we said we would do.
So, you know, I know that this morning the Senate unanimous consented and sent that thing back over on the funding side.
But what we demanded yesterday, I was on the phone with the White House, I was on the phone with the Speaker, on the phone with senators.
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So we're going to have to have that fight out, but we're going to win this fight.
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And look, I agree with you, but we're going to get our butts kicked in November.
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Islam is marching across our country.
Criminals are on our streets.
Our borders still are under assault.
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And by the way, on Iran, look, my message on that has been pretty clear.
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You know, continued conflict.
Make sure that we stand up for our interests.
I support the president doing that.
But I've told my colleagues, do not see this as an excuse to fund the war machine in Washington.
And as Attorney General, I'm going to stand up for all of those things in court as a lawyer.
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He's done the job.
God bless you, Glenn.
Thank you.
By the way, this is the week for our Lord and risen Savior, Jesus Christ.
God bless you all.
And thanks for having me on.
Thank you very much.
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I saw some crazy, crazy responses that I thought were crazy, you know, from the we never went, stop pretending, to this is a waste of money.
And I think, and I can understand that to some degree, but this is not 1975.
This is something entirely new.
Charlie Duke joining us.
He is a retired NASA astronaut.
He was the youngest person to ever walk on the moon.
He's the guy I remember watching walk on the moon in 1972.
I was just eight years old, and I remember watching him in school walk on the moon, driving the rover around and leaving his footprints and the rover on the moon.
I want to ask him because he did a video with me, a podcast, a couple of years ago, where he was debunking all of the things that, you know, they're saying, we faked it.
You can't get through the radiation and blah, And he debunked all of that, you know, as a scientist and as an astronaut.
But I want to talk to him about why this is important today because it's not about beating our chest, it is about something entirely different.
We're going to spend some time on that this hour and so much more because there's a lot happening in the world.
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Let me go to Charlie Duke, retired NASA astronaut, youngest person to walk on the moon.
And Charlie, I don't know if I ever told you this.
You are the guy I remember as an eight year old kid watching walk on the moon.
I don't remember the moon landing, but I remember sitting in class watching you walk on the moon and drive the lunar rover and everything else.
So thank you for those memories.
Well, thank you very much.
That was Apollo 16 with John Young.
We had a great time.
And you were up there.
You know, I saw, let me start here, Charlie.
You went up there for 71 hours.
You did something that I think only, what, 19 astronauts have ever done, and that is stand on the face of the moon.
And there are so many people that say we didn't go.
And yesterday, as I was covering the launch and posting things, I was astounded at the number of people that said one of two things.
This is a hoax.
We never went, or this is such a waste of money.
And, you know, we were in a race to get to the moon, and it was a lot about national pride back in the 60s and the 70s.
We were trying to beat the Russians, but we got a lot of things out of it.
But this time, going back and staying there is entirely different.
It is good for America, is it not?
I think so.
Certainly, you know, after so long, it's good to go back.
The knowledge that we gained from the moon, from Apollo, has been extraordinary.
600 pounds of moon rocks, all experiments we left up there that have been operating.
They'd operated for about four or five years.
And then NASA finally had so much data, they shut them off.
But the evidence is overwhelming that we really did land on the moon.
And And so I think going back again eventually to land, like this time on the South Pole, will be extraordinarily beneficial for us to see the terrain down there and the possibility of liquid of some sort down on the South Pole region.
So we don't know if it's water.
We're just assuming that that's water, that ice.
Well, years ago, we sent a satellite into the moon and it was followed by another one that.
That took some sort of experimental package, and the debris that came out was analyzed and it looked like water vapor, I guess, to them.
And so the supposition is if there is water on the moon, it's at the South Pole frozen as ice.
So we're going to go down and see eventually and land down there.
If that's true, that means we can make oxygen, right?
And you can live there.
Right.
Well, yeah, to build a moon base is, I think, one of the plans in the future, and probably down there at the South Pole.
The sun angle is low most of the time, about two degrees above the horizon.
So you get deep shadows, but you get real bright sunlight as the moon turns around.
Right.
Once every 28 days.
So, anyway, I think that's where we're planning on landing.
And eventually, I think it's a good idea to build a moon base up there and start seeing how we can use some of the resources that are on the moon that are readily available.
I will tell you, I have Jared Isaacman on with me in about an hour from now.
And I spend time, he's the head of NASA now.
He's a businessman.
He was one of the first pilots to go up in space commercially.
He's an amazing guy.
And we were talking about what we are going to be doing with beginning with Artemis 3 and Artemis 4.
And we are going to move rapidly.
And it changes.
It just changes everything.
It just changes everything.
Economically, it changes everything.
And one of the things I like about this now is, you know, back in the 1960s and 70s, Only government could pull this off.
But now we're not just the government doing it.
It's SpaceX and it's Bezos and it's other countries that are also involved.
And we are looking to build like a spaceport.
We would be the ones that would have the giant port, if you will, that is shipping everything up and down from space, which is extraordinarily important.
I agree.
A moon base, to me, is the final objective to have a permanent station on the moon.
We did it in South America, the Arctic, Antarctic, and it's worked down there in that hostile environment, and we could do the same thing up on the moon eventually.
And, you know, with vehicles that we can bring up there through the lunar rovers and experiments packages that we could in place.
We find, I think, a tremendous opportunity as a science station on the lunar surface.
Can you tell me?
Yesterday, I was watching it, and when they took off, I thought of these guys, and it's different than it was in your age because usually you guys went up once and then somebody else had a turn.
These guys have been up several times, not this far, but they have been up in space multiple times.
And so I think it kind of changed it a little bit to where.
You know, it's not their first time experiencing a launch, but as I was watching it, Charlie, I because I watched, and I know you did too, and so many others, because I watched the Challenger until that thing was fully separated and at the envelope of space, I felt weird cheering.
When it first started, I was like, yes, yes, and it was so exciting.
And then I saw that plume of smoke and it reminded me of the Challenger, and you are just never, ever safe.
Um, What were you feeling when they took off?
Do you go through that where you're worried about things that could go wrong?
Well, both they and us in Apollo, we had an automatic abort system.
That big rocket up on the top of the spacecraft was your escape.
And if the automatic system sensed an explosion, it was going to fire that rocket and lift the spacecraft off to a safe place.
Safe area.
And that was automatic up through a minute or so, if I remember.
And then after that, you went manual so that the commander could command it if he wanted to.
And eventually, you jettisoned it because you didn't need it.
But anyway, everything went well.
And they have it was designed very similar to Apollo and escape systems and stuff like that.
So I felt very confident.
The only thing, of course, they have solar panels and we had fuel cells.
And solar panels are more reliable, I think, and so they've gone into that.
Whereas, you know, in Apollo 13, we had an oxygen tank explode.
We lost all the fuel cells.
So we had a crippled spacecraft.
And fortunately, with the lunar module, we could get them back on the lunar module.
But that was a major work of Mission Control who saved the day.
So, when you went up, you didn't circle the Earth for a full day.
Right now, they're not headed towards the moon.
They're orbiting right now for 24 hours where they're just checking all of the systems to make sure nothing goes wrong because it's a new system.
It's Artemis.
And the first time humans have flown in Artemis.
So, they're doing that.
You didn't have to do that.
Lessons From Apollo Thirteen00:10:19
But then on the way to the moon, what is that like headed for five days just?
Going to the moon?
Well, we orbited for one and a half revolutions, and over Australia, we accelerated to escape velocity and we were on our way.
Then we had to retrieve the lunar module after we got out of orbit and on our way.
And it was a 72 hour trip, the way it was designed, so that we had arrived at the moon at the Proper velocity and still have enough fuel to get into orbit and then get out of orbit.
So that's the way it was designed as a 72 hour trip.
And if you could get to the moon in 14 hours, but you're going so fast, in Apollo, you didn't have enough fuel to slow down and get in orbit.
So that's why they shot you out ahead in a 72 hour trip.
Is there any sense of speed in space?
Not once you get out of orbit, it's not.
In Earth orbit, of course, you look down and you're just whizzing across the surface.
And you go across the United States in 20 minutes.
And so you get a very big sensation of motion in orbit.
But on the way to the moon, you just see the Earth receding and the moon growing.
And so it's very slow.
And you don't sense your velocity, if that's what I'm trying to say.
Right, yeah, yeah.
They're making a big deal that we're going farther than we've ever gone in deep space.
We're going, I think, 5,000 miles past where we have been before.
Is that a big deal?
Why are we doing that?
Well, that's just the way the orbit is designed, and I think we're going out there to see the backside of the moon, the whole of the backside.
We have never seen.
Haven't we flown around that?
I mean, when Apollo went down, the person up in the capsule was.
Go ahead.
We flew around it, but we were only 170 miles above the moon.
And so you just have a thin strip of the backside that you see along the equator.
They're going to be 7,000 miles out, and they're going to have a view of the whole backside.
I don't know what the.
The sun angle is going to be, and it might be some of it in darkness, but it's going to be a spectacular view from back there.
You see the moon, and then beyond that, you'll see the earth, and so it's going to be a spectacular view from back there.
So we have no idea what the backside actually looks like.
We know what a strip of it looks like, but we have no idea what the rest of it looks like.
Well, no, I think there's been some satellite photographs from back there.
So I think we have a pretty good idea of what most of it looks like.
But I can't answer that specifically.
I know that in Apollo, the maximum altitude we were on the backside was about 170 miles above it.
So you just saw a thin sliver of the backside.
And now, from that distance, 6,000 miles, they're going to have the whole of the backside.
Visible.
But I think the sun angle is going to be such it's going to be from Earth.
It's going to be about a half moon.
So you'll see about half the backside in sunlight and the rest in sort of dark shadow or dark.
So we'll see how it all looks.
They're going to be on their way soon, and that's going to be a pretty spectacular event.
The only trouble is they're not going into orbit.
They're just going to swing back 6,000 miles and come back.
How frustrating is it, Charlie?
How frustrating is that to be that close and not land?
It's got to be terrible.
It would be a very frustrating thing.
We were in orbit, and an hour before we would land, Mattingly and the other spacecraft reported a major problem which caused them to board.
And you can imagine the disappointment one hour before we would land on the moon, and they're going to tell us to come home.
Fortunately, Mission Control saved the day, and it took them seven hours to get us back to landing, but they did it.
And I'm a great expositor of Mission Control.
They saved the day on every Apollo.
They were really good.
Charlie, it is an honor to know you and be able to call you a friend.
Thank you so much for talking to us.
I appreciate it.
God bless you.
And God bless you too, Glenn.
I really enjoy knowing you and enjoy your program.
Have a great day.
And happy Easter.
You bet.
Bye bye.
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Ricky, do you know which episode?
Can we post that up at glenbeck.com today?
Producer Matt, in your spare time, can you dig that up in the archives and get that over there?
I think the episode was called We Faked It from August of 2023.
Let's see if we can post that so you can watch Charlie's interview.
Yeah, while we've been talking, there's been this viral moment that we have to share.
I actually have the clip and it's edited.
Go ahead.
Why do you want to be here?
Why do you love space?
Why do you love being a part of history?
We're going back to the moon.
That's why.
How old is he?
12?
I don't know, but I saw this kid as you.
You know, he's just like a 10 year old version of Glenn Beck yesterday, maybe with less F bombs.
God bless him.
I'm sorry.
That's not a good thing.
We don't need 10 year old versions of me.
No, but Jared Isaacman actually responded last night and, you know.
All of his spare time.
And he said, Oh, this kid is definitely getting a bag of NASA gear.
And Glenn, you know how charitable Jared is behind the scenes.
I do.
I, you know, I found some things about Jared and quite honestly, Elon Musk yesterday.
I was sitting in the crowd and we were talking to people that had built everything.
And next to me or right behind me was this couple that had nothing to do with the building of it.
And they were just normal people and I started talking to them.
How did you get?
How did you get here?
They told me the most incredible stories about Uh Isaacman and Elon Musk that I I don't want to tell you now because I want justice to be done to this story.
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There was a time when the future wasn't something we feared.
It was something we chased.
Not on our phones or screens, not in simulations, but in fire.
We pointed ourselves at the sky and we went.
Not because it's easy, as JFK said, but because it was impossible.
Thousands of men and women, each doing one small, perfect thing, so that together we could do something eternal.
And then we stopped.
Our machines grew quiet.
The ambition faded.
The horizon pulled closer.
We traded the unknown.
For the comfortable.
Because space is not poetry.
It's cold, it's silent, and it does not care if you make it home.
Four human beings climb into a machine.
There is no emergency brake, no rescue mission, just enough fuel.
To trust the math.
And yet, here we are again.
Standing at the edge of the known world.
Just like those who first looked at the ocean and refused to believe it had an end.
This is not just a launch, it's a decision.
That we still are explorers.
We still are builders.
Still willing to risk everything simply to remind ourselves who we are.
In a world that feels like it's coming apart, America once again lit a fire.
And millions looked up, perhaps simply to remember, the future is still there.
And it begins again.
I saw this.
I witnessed this.
And in a way, I understand the comments that I saw online.
Some of them were just becoming so nasty.
Everybody is just so nasty.
I don't expect you to agree with me on everything, and especially something like this.
You know, people will see this and they'll say, oh, geez, you know, a moon mission.
Have we done that?
I mean, we already have tang.
We got tang.
We got Velcro.
We got a microwave oven.
They see something like this and they immediately think of the old NASA.
They think of nostalgia and politics and waste.
And I understand that.
But what is happening right now is not 1976.
Artemis II is not a rerun.
Artemis II is a signal.
And if you don't, you may not you may not, you won't understand this just by feeling it.
And we are trained to look for patterns and we are trained to understand things through history.
And so you're looking backward, but history has already turned forward.
And that's where we need to have a conversation.
Yesterday, I was trying to figure out how I could.
Frame this historically, what I saw last night or yesterday, as I was standing there at NASA watching this thing get ready to launch, and I thought this is like standing in a field in 1793 and watching Eli Whitney crank up the first cotton gin.
I'm sure, standing in that field, you saw that wooden machine, you know, and it did not look necessarily like the future.
And you're like, okay, it's wood, gears, it's moving, and it can do this.
But how is this really going to change everything?
But that cotton gin changed the entire economic structure of a nation.
Faster production, new markets, new dependencies, new wealth, new conflicts, new ways to free people.
The ripple did not just stay in that field and it spread across the entire earth.
That's what you witnessed yesterday.
You won't know it for years to come.
All of this will not be appreciated for years yet, but you are witnessing one of the greatest times mankind has ever witnessed.
Everything that is happening in the world today, good and bad, you are a witness to it and we are at an inflection point.
When you look at what's happening with the moon, this is not 1969 anymore.
Apollo, Apollo 11, was proving that we could go and land and come back.
And this is more than just proving we can stay.
This is about proving we can stay and build.
And Charlie, he was still looking at it from the old NASA that we're going to do experiments.
That's not what this is about.
The phrase that you are going to hear more and more now is, The space economy.
Let me translate that into plain English.
It means space is no longer a destination.
It's becoming infrastructure.
Right now, if you look at everything, what matters to modern life always runs on highways, invisible highways, literal highways, shipping lanes, fiber optic cables, energy corridors, airspace, all of this.
And the countries and the companies that laid those cables and paved those corridors control them.
What I want you to do is imagine a layer above all of that now.
Launch lanes, orbital manufacturing hubs, lunar refueling stations, satellite grids that don't just observe Earth, but they power it, they map it, they secure it, and eventually mine beyond it.
The moment we can reliably go into space, return from space, and do it again and again, cheaply, predictably, and safely, we have just created the next great trade network.
Not across oceans, but above the oceans.
Which brings me to Florida.
The space coast is not just a stretch of land anymore.
The space coast is quickly going to become the front door to the largest port humanity has ever built.
Humans think, when you hear a port, you think of a seaport.
But this, you know, what we're talking about now seems like so much science fiction that it can't be real, but it is real.
The future is now.
To understand what happened yesterday, you need to think spaceport.
Ports, real ports.
That's where all wealth has gathered.
From the history of man, the beginning of any big civilizational change, it always revolved around ports.
Venice, London, New York.
You control the ports, you control the flow.
You control the flow, you control the economy.
Now ask yourself what happens when the flow is not goods between continents, but materials between Earth, orbit, and the moon?
Fuel, rare minerals, manufacturing done in zero gravity, satellite deployment at industrial scale.
The coastline is no longer beachfront property.
It is a strategic ground zero.
And what the average person needs to understand globally is we Americans are not alone seeing this.
China understands exactly what this moment is.
And nobody's racing like last time we raced to plant our flag.
That's not it.
We are now racing to set the rules because whoever builds the roads to space. writes the laws of space.
Who gets access?
Who pays tolls?
Who's allowed to operate?
Who's shut out?
And we are not decades ahead.
We are literally months ahead, maybe a year or two at best.
So what happened yesterday when you hear people say online, this is just our ego and it's just a, no, it's not.
It's not about reliving glory.
This is not about Tang or another microwave oven.
This is about whether the United States of America will define the next economic frontier.
Or we have to rent space in someone else's.
What's so hard is we all have to train ourselves to think like Americans again.
We have to look at the impossible and the bigger vision.
This and artificial intelligence, the entire ballgame for the future.
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So a couple of insiders wrote in during the break.
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Loretta wrote in, conquering space is exciting, but it can be weaponized.
Both of those things, Hawk and Loretta, are absolutely true.
Absolutely true.
But we've got to learn to do multiple things at once.
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Rubio is now working on new alliances and stopping all of these endless wars and finding new ways to get along.
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We're going to talk about what the president said last night and the entire Iran war.
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It's an honor to have you on again, Victor.
Can I ask you?
I got to start with when I heard how ill you were here in the last year, it made my heart race because you are so important.
Your voice is so important right now.
How are you feeling?
How are you recovering?
I'm feeling pretty well.
I had a misdiagnosed lung cancer.
They kept thinking for a year it was pneumonia or long COVID damage, but it I had a pretty good pulmonologist that found it and then immediately had a biopsy and they took out most of my right lung and they got the cancer.
It's a very rare type that affects non smokers and it has a rare mutation so no chemo or immunotherapy treats it so it's just a matter whether they got it all or not.
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Got it all.
Yeah, every 60 days I take a blood biopsy test and a CT.
I'm having a little problem.
It's been 90 days, but there was an aneurysm and artery broke after the surgery.
So they had to take me back in for another four hours, and I lost about half my blood volume and had six transfusions.
I was jogging pretty well my whole life, and then to have a heart problem after because of the trauma to the heart and the blood volume and the anemia.
So I'm just getting over that, actually.
So I'm starting to feel like I'm.
Maybe, but that was kind of a detour from the cancer that I've been dealing with.
Other than that, I think I have a good prognosis.
We pray for you and we'll continue to pray for you.
Know that we know how important you are.
So, the president's speech last night, I'd love to hear your initial thoughts on this.
I don't think this was made for people like us that pay attention to news because there was nothing new there.
I think this was him just trying to tell the American people who don't pay attention all the time this is what's happening in our world.
Do you feel this is going to turn into an Afghanistan, which so many people fear, or is this.
Part of a bigger vision of the president, and it's going well.
Which is it to you?
I think it's going well.
I think what he was trying to do is to compare it to other expeditionary invasions, except interventions.
So we had the long Afghan and Iraq wars, 20 years in the Afghan, and 10 in the Iraq, and that was 7,500 dead.
Maybe 72 to 7,500, depending how you.
to adjudicate it.
And then we had the first Gulf War where we had over 150, and that was 42 days.
We're only at 33, I think, right now.
And we had the Serbian misadventure.
Well, I guess they felt it was a success, 72 days against Milosevic.
He could have added, I think, the Libyan.
That was a misadventure.
That was Obama's seven months of bombing with the French and the British.
So there's been a lot of things to compare it to, and we haven't really reached any of the cost of those wars or the length of those wars.
And then he wanted to re emphasize his one off approach, kind of a Jacksonian, no better friend, no worse enemy.
Don't touch us or we'll hit you.
So he mentioned Soleimani, Baghdadi, could have mentioned the Wagner group.
And then when he came back, he mentioned the one day Venezuela interlude and bombing it lasts.
The 25 is 30 hour bombing attack.
Last summer, and what I think he was trying to say is this 30 day intervention, this bombing, is not consistent with these long campaigns of the past, but it's more consistent with these kind of punitive things that he's done that he feels that they came up at the end of negotiations usually, and then he feels that exit strategy.
That's what he's trying to say.
I think the difference on this for the average person is they're just looking at the gas price, and they're like, Yes.
The average person is saying, we didn't need to get into this, and my gas price is going down, and now it's going back up, and it's going to cause all kinds of problems in my personal life.
And I'm not sure that the average person appreciates, yeah, well, you're not going to be vaporized anytime soon.
I don't think they.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Right.
But I don't think.
I think he feels that in two or three weeks it'll end, and the people who are speculating, as they all have to do, and are buying all of these stocks are going to be stuck with it.
At a time when Venezuela oil is coming on the market and the United States is upping by another million barrels from the reserve and another million from new leasing, and he feels that there's going to be the reverse trend that it's going to go down very quickly.
But, um, do you believe that based on what you know?
I know we're all speculating here, but what gives you confidence that he's right on this?
Well, he determines.
I haven't seen a war like this where one side determines when he's going to leave.
He defined the objectives, and from what he said, they're almost all met.
They have no Navy.
They have no Air Force to speak of.
They have some missiles left, but that's a vanishing asset.
They have no air defenses.
Their military structure, probably half a trillion dollars acquired over 40 years, has gone up in smoke.
And at any point, he can say, This is what I wanted to do is to cripple them.
They're going to be very hard to give the subsidies to the Arab terrorists of the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas when they've got 93 million people who are not happy with the regime.
And I guess when we leave or stop, the regime is going to tell these people, oh, by the way, we're not going to be able to lower the cost of gas or food for you because we've got to spend a half a trillion dollars for our missiles, air force, nuclear program again, and our subsidies to all of these people of the Arab world that are committing terror.
I don't think that's.
Going to be popular.
So I think what he's saying is I'm setting the conditions for a lot of tension, and I can leave anywhere because I've achieved most of my objectives in maybe two and three more weeks.
What would happen in that?
I think he would try to.
I think they're hitting tactical aircraft.
I've never seen a war where you have not air parity or air superiority, but air supremacy, which is usually defined as you can go anywhere at any time.
And that's what they're doing with tactical aircraft, Apaches, Warthogs.
I think they're going to go up and down the coast opposite Karg Island and opposite the Strait of Hormuz and just clean out any type of tactical missile or drones.
And at that point, he can say, well, the Europeans are meeting.
You're meeting.
We're happy.
You have 30 nations.
You say you're going to go into the Strait of Hormuz.
This will be very helpful for NATO, and we'll be impressed.
And see you.
We wouldn't want to be you.
That's what he's going to do.
So, the other side of this is the people.
You know, they killed, as he said last night, 45,000 of their own citizens.
And they have not risen up yet because they haven't been told to.
Donald Trump keeps saying, wait until, you know, you get the signal.
Neil Ferguson, who I really respect, said that this is a counter revolution and counter revolutions never work.
This is a counter revolution from 1979.
This is not a revolution.
Where do you stand on that?
About the people being free and standing up.
I'm a long friend of Neil.
We worked together at the Hoover Institution and the history program.
But I don't know what he meant when counterrevolution never worked.
If there wasn't a counterrevolution, the Robespierre brothers would have institutionalized the reign of terror.
They were thrown out by the Jacobins, they were thrown out by the Thermidor counterrevolution.
And then that counterrevolution was superseded by Napoleon's counterrevolution.
It happens all the time.
And the point, though, is I think Trump is saying that given the misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq with nation building, we have a different paradigm.
We select people, as we did in Venezuela, that we tell them the alternative is poverty, bombing, and probably your arrest or death, or we don't really care what your ideology is or your we just want you not to be ideological and to run the country efficiently and to agree at some point to a transition government.
And then we avoid that we're going to take all of the Maduro regime out.
We're going to put boots on the ground.
We're going to get all the NGOs in, which we know didn't work.
So I think what he's saying to the Iranians is, I'm not going to negotiate with anybody but what I call pragmatic people or realists.
I don't really care what they've done in the past.
And the speaker may be.
Of the parliament, or the president, will deal with you, even though they might not at this point have real power.
And then we're, and then I think the Israelis are going down their list anybody who identifies themselves as, and that dynamic of empowering one group who doesn't have power, but we're saying we're only going to talk to this group and then the one that says they do are going to be.
I mean, I wouldn't want to be one of those people and say I'm now the new Joe Griffin.
It'd be.
It's kind of grotesque what's happening at Makar, because they're going to be killed.
So then I think he's setting, and then he has not hit yet, he says he will, but he hasn't hit communications, roads, sewer, water, electricity, power.
So he's telling the resistance, you can join these pragmatists and you can have a country.
We don't really care what the ideology is.
And then you can transition yourself once we're gone.
But that depends on, I think he thinks, three more weeks of letting the Israelis target these leaders and then three more weeks of hitting their installations.
And I think to weaken them, and you really.
So, can I ask you, when he's playing this, you know, we don't, we just want somebody who will work with us.
Does that, is that anything like what we used to do with our CIA where we would pick these leaders and we'd put them in there because they were good for us?
Is that a repeat of that kind of philosophy which turned out horribly?
Or is this different?
I think it's a third choice because I don't think that we pick the people in Venezuela and I don't think that we pick the president.
What we're saying is if there are people there involved with the present regime, That we feel could be separated from it, and they're already there, and the people know them, and the people think that they have views that are different, though silent because of the oppression, then we're going to empower them.
And that's what we did in Venezuela.
And that makes it much easier than to have to go in.
You know, we're going into Afghanistan, and I don't think people realize that when the left takes over the NGOs, it's sort of like 19th century British imperialism.
We had George Floyd.
Murals in Afghanistan.
We had a pride flag at the embassy.
We had a gender studies program.
And that was from a traditional Islamic society.
So I just don't think that thing works anymore.
And I don't think the CIA assassinating somebody and putting a pro American dictator is going to work either.
But does it work if we leave there and the people are not free and they are still repressed?
Or are we saying it's up to you?
We're leaving you with enough opportunity.
But no guarantee.
We're not doing it for you.
No, that's exactly right.
And we're not, and he can package that by saying we're not doing it for you, and we're not telling you how to do it and what to do and what to end up with.
That's your business.
All we care about is whatever government emerges, whether it's reformed autocrats or whether it's people that work, all we're telling you is we do not want you to export terror, kill Americans, create a bomb, have a ballistic missile.
Fleet and subsidize all of these wretched people in Hezbollah and Houthis.
If you can do that, it's up to you.
Just don't do what you're doing now.
And we're going to help you because we've taken a lot of their leaders, command and control, a lot of their assets out, and we've humiliated them.
And they're a paper tiger on the world stage now, so it's conducive for you to step up because you may have a better chance this time.
And then there's going to be an argument, of course, whether you arm the Kurds, whether you give them arms.
If they do rise up, would American tactical aircraft come in and help them?
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Who knows?
But I think the major military operations are going to be over.
And I think he's looking at the midterms, he's looking at the economy, and he's looking at what he promised the American people.
There's going to be no forever endless wars or something that's an optional military engagement in the Middle East.
And he's going to argue that this was not an optional.
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So, Victor, the next question I have for you is on space.
And I think people are looking at the launch, many people are looking at this launch of Artemis 2 yesterday and framing it in, you know, oh, we're going up to do more science, you know, things up on the moon and we're exploring and, you know, it's just America beating her chest.
This is historically extraordinarily significant in my book.
Would you comment on the significance or non-significance of Artemis 2?
Yeah, I think it is very significant.
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I mean, we've never really gone this far going around the backside of the moon.
And more importantly, we had kind of lost our confidence.
We haven't really had a lunar event in 50 years.
And on the moon, I mean, this is a preliminary for that.
I think there's a lot of confusion because of this.
We've had these space disasters, we've had the problem with the space station.
So I think.
Somebody is saying to us, we can still do what our grandparents did, and we can do it and fulfill their vision and get back to the moon and make a base there, permanent base, and we have the ability to do that.
And we're going to show you now for 10 days, we're going to go way out around the moon, and we have that ability.
And I think what they were trying to say, the military efficacy that you see this military is a government, yes, but we still have, and that transcended the space program because they're also looking over their shoulder at.
You know, Elon Musk's SpaceX program may have bigger rockets, apparently with greater trust in the government.
And people were starting to think, well, you know, we have competitors.
Maybe it would be just better to outsource it to somebody like SpaceX and not get the bureaucracy involved.
So I think they're trying to restore the glory days of NASA.
And I hope I wish them well.
Yeah.
Again, we pray for you.
I thank you so much for talking to us, Victor.
And thanks for all that you've done.
I really appreciate it.
You bet.
You bet.
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I have to tell you, we live in such amazing times.
And yesterday I was thinking, you know, 15 years ago, I remember doing a monologue saying, look at the minds, the intellects that were our founding fathers.
They were the greatest.
Benjamin Franklin, we have a paper from the London Times back in the day where Benjamin Franklin had been on a boat for three months going over there to talk to the king.
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I want to tell you, we are living through remarkable times right now.
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How are you, sir?
Doing great, Glenn.
How are you?
I am really great.
What an amazing day yesterday.
I talked to somebody who was with you and watched you and said he was very stoic.
Everybody else was cheering and clapping, and you just smiled there towards the end.
You were very stoic.
It had to be, at least it was for me.
Because I watched the Challenger explode.
It was terrifying all the way.
It was exciting, but I was worried about every little thing.
You know more than I do.
What was going through your mind?
Yeah.
Well, I have to tell you, being strapped into the rocket, being on top of it, is a lot less stressful than being on Earth and being responsible for it.
So, you know, those astronauts embarking on Artemis 2 for sure are undertaking the opening act in America's Great Return.
To the moon, but they also really represent, you know, kind of the spearhead of America's space program right now.
So there is an awful lot on this mission, and I understand that Ascent, which is what you witnessed yesterday, is just one part of the story, right?
It was a very clean launch.
There's no doubt about it, but we have nine more days to go until they splash down off the west coast of the United States.
So, Jared, can you explain?
Because I am shocked at just the responses from some of my tweets.
The people who say this is a waste of money, this makes no difference, this is, you know, we didn't go in the first place, all the way to this is just America's ego trip.
Can you explain clearly to the average person why this is not the Apollo?
You know, we're not going to get tang out of this, that this actually will change everything as we know it, the space economy alone.
Oh, for sure, Glenn.
Thanks for the question.
Honestly, we could be talking about this all afternoon.
Like, we don't hit the pause button on progress here in this country.
Like, we continue to move forward.
You know, are the arguments good that we have a lot of other problems and hardships we should be dealing with?
Sure, absolutely.
You know what NASA's budget is?
It's a quarter percent of the discretionary budget.
I think that is a small price to pay to go out and see what we might learn, what we might discover that could have scientific potential, economic potential, geez, national security potential.
I mean, the high ground of space.
Matters right now.
And where we are going, we are going to the moon, but it's going to be different this time.
No doubt we are picking up after the pioneers from the Apollo era, but we're going back to stay.
We're building a moon base, and we are going to turn that moon base into a scientific and technological proving ground.
We are going to test things you can't do on Earth, you can't do in low Earth orbit where the International Space Station is.
And what we will learn there will help us someday go to Mars.
This is our destiny to go out.
And explore the solar system.
I mean, it's part of our DNA.
We've crossed all the seas, we've climbed all the mountains, we've discovered all the islands.
Well, you know where the next grand adventure is?
It's out there in space.
So, Jared, I think that we are missing a good portion of the American people.
I would not be surprised if it was only 20% of the American people knew about this launch yesterday, which is a crying shame.
And then people don't really understand it.
When it's couched as this is just about discovery and science and crossing into the unknown, I don't think it connects with people as much as actually talking about a spaceport, about how this is the future, this in AI, that is the future of the economy.
Am I wrong?
No, there's absolutely no doubt.
We all know that an orbital and eventually a lunar economy is inevitable.
I mean, we're going to be.
3D printing with the lunar regolith at some point in time in the future.
You could be mining helium 3 on the moon, which can generate a more efficient fusion reaction.
I mean, right now, energy is everything, right?
So there is absolutely economic potential out there, but certainly scientific as well, right?
Knowledge is absolutely power.
And then, look, I think an inherent component of everything we do at NASA is also inspiration.
I guarantee you, after this mission, there are going to be more kids dressing up as astronauts for Halloween that are going to want to grow up.
And contribute to this adventure and take humankind farther.
What price do you put on that?
So, we're going up in Artemis 3, I think next year, right?
And what is that one for?
Because Artemis 4, we actually land on the moon, right?
Right.
So, we are getting back to the basics, the formula we used in the 1960s that helped us achieve the near impossible then, which is we are undertaking these missions in phases, learning to inform the next one.
So, right now, Artemis 2 is testing the spacecraft.
And just to give you an update, Those four astronauts right now are getting one heck of a view in a highly elliptical orbit.
So, at its peak, right now, they're approximately 43,000 miles away from Earth, right?
And at its low point, they swing around extremely fast, very low to Earth, about 115 miles above Earth.
And they're going to stay there until for about another 12 hours or so.
We're going to have a meeting and make sure all the systems are good, and then we're going to send them on the translunar injection where they will go around the moon.
Farther into space than any humans have ever gone before.
This is all a flight test for this vehicle and rocket.
That's Artemis 2.
Artemis 3 in 2027 is going to be very Apollo 9 esque, where we will rendezvous the spacecraft Orion with the landers, but we're going to do it in Earth orbit, where we're close to home.
And we're going to get very comfortable with the integrated operations.
And then in 2028, you're going to have Artemis 4, which will actually land NASA astronauts on the moon.
In parallel, though, we are building the moon base.
Starting in early 2027, literally on a NASA moon base website, You are going to see robotic uncrewed landings on a near monthly cadence as we start testing out mobility and power and navigation, surface improvements, scientific experiments, tech demonstrations, like actually working with the water ice on the moon.
We're going to do that in parallel, building the base so when our astronauts arrive, they've got a lot of equipment to work with.
So, can we talk about why that's important to have a lot of equipment up there?
Well, I mean, we've never inhabited another celestial body.
And I'll tell you, and this is remarkable, and you know this, of course, for more than 25 years, there has been a continuous American presence in low Earth orbit at the International Space Station.
So if you're 25 years old or younger, there hasn't been a time you've been alive on this planet where there weren't American astronauts orbiting above you.
But if you're going to put astronauts in space and keep them alive, the best place to do it is low Earth orbit.
You've got the atmosphere and Earth's magnetosphere there that protect you from.
Radiation and micrometeoroids and orbital debris.
But where you want to go next is to the surface, the surface of the moon where you can interact with the regolith, you can build habitation, you can cover the habitation with regolith for protection against meteoroids and radiation, you can work with the water ice.
And if you can work with the water ice on the moon, you can make hydrogen, you can make oxygen, and those are key propellants.
And why does that matter?
Because when you send astronauts to Mars someday, you're going to need to make your own propellant to come home.
Better to prove that out on the moon when you're Three days away than on Mars when you're nine months away.
But we're also not that far ahead of China.
I mean, Russia's way behind.
Other nations are way behind.
But I know a lot of nations that do not want to do business with China are rushing to us now and saying, can we be a part of your space program?
Because it's going to be one or the other.
Whoever gets there first is going to get the prime spot unless we have, you know, loaded a lot of boxes in that area.
And The leadership matters, does it not?
It does matter.
And I'll tell you, that's changed under this administration.
You know, and under the prior administration, you'd be shocked, but a lot of our international partners were actually considering and having discussions with the Chinese because they thought America's space program has lost its way.
That's changing.
Now we have it.
Would we have launched it?
Would we have launched yesterday had Trump not?
And I don't want to make the.
Because it's impossible for you to answer this about you, but.
If he hadn't have made it possible for you to go in and you make the changes that needed to be made in the last year, would we have launched yesterday?
Well, I'll be very honest with you.
Artemis II for sure would have launched at some point this year, almost regardless of who is the president.
The question is would we have an achievable plan to actually get back to the moon in the next couple of years?
The answer is no.
Without President Trump's national space policy and without the investments from the one big beautiful bill, We would not have the mandate or the resources to increase moon rocket production, launch again in 2027 that critical risk buy down mission of rendezvousing the spacecraft with the landers.
We would not have had achievable path back to the surface.
We certainly would not have a moon base.
So one last question, because we're going to run out of time.
I could talk to you all day.
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I am a small government guy, but I also love NASA.
But I want to make sure that we're smart.
And I think sometimes government, almost always, just becomes big and lumbering and can't get out of its own way.
I like the fact that SpaceX, Blue Origin, and other private companies are partnering.
Do you see in the end NASA as kind of.
We would be running our military and anything government needs to do, but more of the port, and then we're charging these other companies to come and use the port, but our government is kind of in charge of the big port to space.
Or do you see NASA as the full thing?
So I think that the taxpayers all contribute into NASA for us to do the near impossible, what no company or other government agency or other nation is capable of doing.
Now, that's not always been the case.
There are times when you lose your way and you're doing a lot of things to make a lot of people happy.
And what you find out is that as an agency, you're actually competing with the SpaceXs or the Blue Origins.
That's not how it is supposed to work.
This is why we are recalibrating back to doing the near impossible.
We announced two weeks ago Space Reactor 1 Freedom, a nuclear power and propulsion spacecraft.
It's an interplanetary spacecraft that we will launch in 2028.
There are no humans on board.
It will carry the Skyfall scientific payload, which is three.
Helicopters, if you will, that are going to fly around the red planet and explore it.
That's what NASA is supposed to do.
Nuclear power and propulsion.
Unbelievable.
SpaceX and Blue Origin, you know, NASA figured out the chemical propulsion game a long time ago.
We handed it off to industry.
SpaceX and Blue Origin, through competitive dynamics, have improved the capabilities.
You have reusability now, it costs less.
Great.
That helps us in our mission to do more science and discovery, to build a moon base.
But it means we need to shift focus and resources to doing what they can't do.
You know, there's no business case for nuclear reactors and nuclear power and propulsion in space.
That is something that NASA should be doing.
And when we figure that out someday, if there's a business case, we can hand it off to industry and then we'll work on our fusion drives because someday we're going to want to actually be able to have a mission to another star system.
So NASA never goes at this alone.
We didn't go alone in the 60s.
We work with our commercial partners and international partners to do the near impossible.
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Jared, it's really exciting to know you and an honor to know you.
And you are exactly the right guy for the job at this time.
Thank you so much.
And congratulations to everybody on the team all over the world that put Artemis up.
And we will continue to pray for the astronauts.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We'll keep you posted.
I was glad to see you at the launch yesterday.
Thanks for coming out.
Yeah.
Thank you, Jared.
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