Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene's resignation over Epstein files and healthcare disagreements signals President Trump's strategy to maintain base loyalty, while Zohran Mamdani's refusal to retract "fascist" claims regarding Trump highlights deepening ideological rifts. The episode also critiques civil asset forfeiture through a Texas case where Border Patrol seized $70,000 in unreported cash without criminal charges, contrasting this with RFK Jr.'s controversial past actions and Keith Olbermann's alleged affair with Olivia Nuzzi. Ultimately, these segments underscore tensions between executive authority, civil liberties, and political maneuvering as the administration navigates internal dissent and external policy challenges. [Automatically generated summary]
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Trump's Sincere Effort With Mamdani00:15:35
I'm a little disconcerted by the Mamdaniel President Trump meeting.
Not the fact that they had it.
It was kind of the aftermath that bothered me a bit.
What bothered you about it, Pat?
Just the incredible friendliness and legitimizing of Zorhan Mamdani that I thought that was a little bit much.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah, a little bit.
What?
The way that you're legitimizing a socialist Islamist or Islamianist, as I like to call him?
Islamist.
Islamist.
And I was fairly alone on that as on my show.
A lot of people called in and said that, you know, he's just setting Mamdani up for, I guess, the fall.
So he's treating him nicely now, and then he'll be able to ride in later and say, see, I gave him a shot.
How did you feel about it?
So the 4D chess argument, essentially, was at play.
You know, I, first of all, completely agree with you in that I, you know, don't want him legitimize.
I don't.
He's not, this is not a, I don't think this is a guy necessarily you're going to be able to work with.
Yeah.
Well, the way he's acted afterwards, like he's stuck to everything.
I always said what I said before and I say it now.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
You know, because there are, look, there are examples of people even who say they're Democratic socialists who are playing to an audience, right?
I don't think that's Mamdani.
I don't either.
I think he's a true believer.
Yeah, me too.
And so it scares me.
Now, of course, you know, Trump has a bunch of business interests in New York.
Like, you know, making an enemy of the New York City mayor doesn't really benefit him, I suppose, any more than they already are memories or enemies.
I mean, because like, you know, people have a memory of what, you know, Mamdani was just saying about him, calling him a fascist and everything else.
That being said, I'm very much of, we've been at this a long time, Pat.
You know, it's been an exhausting decade of talking and analyzing every move that Donald Trump makes.
I tend to fall at the side of the spectrum, which is like, I really like day to day, don't care what he says, frankly.
Like, and this is not a knock on Trump.
It's just like he's got other things in mind.
And I don't know what they are most of the time.
Like, he's negotiating.
He's making friends with the person.
I tend to just ignore what he says and focus on what he does.
So we'll see what he does here.
Like, I don't think he's going to back off of his immigration policy.
And I don't think Mamdani is going to back off of his Sanctuary City policy.
And I think.
I think that's very true.
End of the day, at some point, relatively soon in this adventure, they're going to be warring again.
So I don't know.
I think Trump likes to have those moments where he comes in and he smiles with the guy and he shakes their hand and he acts like he's really everything I've ever heard about the guy, and this is from dozens of people who have met him and spent time with him, is that he's incredibly engaging in person.
Yeah.
And that people even who hate his guts in politics really like him.
Bill Maher.
Man to man.
Yeah, Maher said that.
Yeah.
But I've heard it from a dozen, you know, dozens of people who are completely outside, not even on the air, don't talk about this stuff.
They all say the same thing.
And some of them are enemies of Trump.
And Trump will, no matter what his disagreement with you, is, he'll come in and he'll shake your hand and he'll act like you're the most important person in the world.
And in a way, he's trying to get the best possible outcome, I think, out of a Mamdani president mayoral reign.
I don't think that that upside is there's much there, but that is the way he seems to operate.
So I am totally with you.
Like if he's actually embracing this guy, I think that's terrible.
And he should be criticized heavily for it.
I don't like the idea of him even doing the glad-handing stuff, especially in public.
If you're going to do that, do it behind the scenes.
Yeah.
But I think he's trying to, I guess, portray that he's working with him.
So I'm not probably as bothered about it as you are, but like, you know, I just honestly don't take too much out of it.
Here's the way it looked.
Right after the meeting, here's Trump with Mondani in the White House.
Republican Elise Stephanie has campaigned multiple times by calling Zoro Momdani a jihadist.
Do you think you're standing next to a jihadist right now in the Oval Office?
No, I know.
No, he doesn't.
She's out there campaigning, and you say things sometimes in a campaign.
It's a very honest answer.
She's a very capable person.
But you really have to ask her about that.
But I don't particularly, I think I met with a man who's a very rational person.
I met with a man who really wants to see New York be great again.
And I can say again.
No, he doesn't.
Because New York was great.
Why did you fly here, our transcriener?
I'll use every form of transit, and I want to make sure that they're all affordable in New York City, and that's why making buses fast and free is a centerpiece of our continuation.
Well, I know, but if you're fluid, that's a lot quicker, too.
You know, I mean, he's working very hard for him to be that's a long, that's a very making excuses.
He's like arguing.
I'll stick up for you.
You know, the plane takes you 30 minutes and driving takes you.
It sounds like you had an introductive discussion, but just days ago, you referred to President Trump as a despot who betrayed the country.
You said I would be his first year in accused of having a fascist agenda.
Are you claiming to retract it in his remarks in order to improve your relationship?
I think both President Trump and I are very clear about our positions and our views.
And what I really appreciate about the president is that the meeting that we had focused not on places of disagreement, which there are.
And I've been called much worse than a despot, so it's not that insulting.
I think he'll change his mind after we get to working together.
Yes, please.
Would you feel comfortable living in New York City under a Monday administration?
Yeah, I would.
I really would.
Especially after the meeting.
Wow.
Absolutely.
What makes you comfortable?
Wow.
We agree on a lot more than I would have thought.
Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist?
I've spoken about fascism.
That's okay.
You could just say.
It's easier.
It's easier than that.
Something to do for a real ally.
So is that a reduction from what you're at right now?
Are you committing to maintaining the same level?
I've committed over the course of the campaign to maintain the 35,000.
That's the headcount that we had through the campaign.
No, I've said that's the headcount that we want.
What we need to do is make sure they can focus on serious crime.
And he just retained a great police commissioner, I believe, right?
Yes, if the newspapers are correct.
That was incorrect about it.
He retained, I think, somebody that is a good friend of some of the people in my family, of Ivanka, and they say she's really good, really competent.
And he just retained her, so that's a good sign.
You know, have to follow his lead.
Well, look, I hope they have great leaders.
This is a man that right now I think is focused in New York City.
I really think he has a chance to do a great job.
We're going to help him, but I really think he has a chance to do a great job.
But I'll let you answer that.
You consider yourself the leader of the Democrats.
I think it's more appropriate for him.
I consider myself the next mayor of New York City, and I keep my horizons firmly on New York City.
And I appreciate the meeting with the president, which focused again on the five boroughs and whether New Yorkers could afford to live there.
By the way, being the mayor of New York City is a big deal.
Absolutely.
I always said, you know, one of the things I would have loved to be someday is the mayor of New York City.
Being the mayor of New York, and especially now, because I think you're at the end of the year.
This goes on and on.
It could go great or it can go in a different direction.
And I think you really have a chance to make it.
All right, we got it.
And all concessions are made by Trump.
Not one from Zeron Mondani.
Not one.
The guy sticks to his predestined answers.
And no matter what the question, he's just going to go to what he's already decided he's going to answer.
And that's what he did throughout the entire time.
That's what he did the whole time.
Message discipline was impressive from the Momdani campaign.
I will say he puts a smile on all of these policies that have ended the lives of hundreds of millions of people.
And he's just really good at that.
I will say, Pat, you know, I had watched this and I had seen it in full context, you know, with all the back and forth, the reporter questions, all of that.
To see it edited together in all those moments at once, there's a lot of them.
There's more than I remembered from the first watch of just Trump jumping in and really defending.
And defending over and over and over again.
That seems like more of a sincere effort than I think I gave it credit for there.
That seems like he's trying to win him over to at least get the absolute best possible outcome there.
Like he doesn't, I don't, I mean, look, there are obviously big disagreements between the two.
There's going to be those moments.
But that doesn't seem like a, you know, one of those where you're just kind of throwing it out there.
And like, you know, he's, he's, he's stepping.
I mean, this is, this is not a good thing to say when you're talking about the president of the United States when there's Democratic fundraisers shooting him all the time.
But he's stepping in the fire there.
Yeah.
Trump is stepping in the way of the bullets in political context there to protect Momdani from tough questions from reporters that are friendly to Trump.
Right.
I mean, he is like doing everything.
The concession of, yeah, just say yes.
Just say yes.
You still think I'm a fascist.
Gets him out of that tough part.
Got him out of it.
Yeah.
What's he going to say then?
course he said yes after that um so i mean it's what do you think what What does that mean?
Is it just the typical Trump negotiations, the stuff that he normally does, or is there something else at play?
That's what most people think.
I don't know, frankly.
I don't know.
It's just bothersome to me.
I don't want to legitimize Zaran Mamdani in his capacity as mayor, but that's what just happened.
He's been legitimized now, really, by the president of the United States.
You would live in New York City under this guy?
You'd be okay with that.
Be fine where, as most you know, wealthy people are at least considering leaving New York City over it, and he's he's going to be an absolute disaster.
But you know, maybe it's, maybe it's good that he took this tactic, I don't know.
Yeah, maybe swoops in afterward and saves New York.
I, I don't want him to have to do that though, because that's us saving New York, not not Donald Trumps.
If the federal government has to then bail him out of all of his bad decisions, that affects all of us oh 100, I mean.
I guess the hope is he's going to get him to work on certain things.
You know, in a way, this is the type of approach i've always feared that the Democrats would discover with Donald Trump, which was, you know, kind of kiss his bud and and and work with him and try to get what you can out of the administration.
If they had taken that approach, they would have gotten a lot of stuff, and they would have luckily, they just they went the He's Hitler approach, which means they never got anything out of them, out of him, or at least not many things.
Um I I, i'm glad they never took that approach, because it probably would have been effective, because stuff like this.
Like Trump, you know Trump is, he has certain things that are part of his ideology right, that you know you could argue.
The border you could argue.
You know we uh go back and forth on what you think it is.
You know, maybe a pro-business uh vibe, and there's a bunch of different stuff.
But, like he, there's a lot of stuff that normally falls into the hardcore ideological world of politics that don't really affect Trump the same way.
True, you know, like something like abortion, like I think abortion, like he, he worked with the people who he liked and who helped him on a really positive move toward abortion, certainly with the Supreme Court right, like that is a massive change and one of the things he should get most credit for of his entire run for two terms.
But like I don't think abortion is a core Donald Trump issue that he thinks about every day, how to make a, you know, how to make the pro-life right cause be advanced, like I don't think that's what he does, you know he.
There's other things he thinks about that are really important to all of us, crime crime, border.
I think those things are.
Tariffs are certainly in the core belief of Donald Trump.
Yep, so those things are really, and he does work to move those forth every day.
So I think what he looks at it as is how can I make this a less, a less um, uh impactful disaster than it otherwise might be?
And you know that might be his approach there.
You know, I said that was an honest answer to one of those questions and it and there was a small slice of it that was honest.
A lot of it wasn't.
I mean, a lot of it was like, hey, I think he's going to do a great job for New York City.
Donald Trump does not believe that Zoran Momdani is going to do a great job for New York City.
He's saying that because this is his current position.
Now, when Momdani violates some immigration thing that he wants, in three weeks he's going to say the opposite because that's what he wants to say at that time and that's the way he's, you know, run his presidency and his administration since the beginning, oftentimes to really impressive results.
Yep, so that might just be what happens here, but it is I.
I I am as uncomfortable with it as you are when it comes to the words, because the the words are I. You know.
Look, this guy is not.
This is not Eric Adams coming into office as a Democrat.
This is not Michael Bloomberg.
It's not a normal mayor of New York City.
No.
Even Democrat mayor of New York City.
He's not a Democrat.
And he's a Democratic socialist.
He never said he was, really.
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Trump's Toughness on Friends00:15:37
Also, Mamdani had a couple of moments.
First of all, he was talking about the Israeli government.
Had some interesting things to say as he was standing next to President Trump.
Cut for spoken about the Israeli government committing genocide, and I've spoken about our government funding it.
And I shared with the president in our meeting about the concern that many New Yorkers have of wanting their tax dollars to go towards the benefit of New Yorkers and their ability to afford basic dignity.
And what we see right now is we're in the ninth consecutive year of more than 100,000 school children being homeless in our city.
And there's a desperate need not only for the following of human rights, but also the following through on the promises we've made to New Yorkers.
And I appreciated the meeting we had and the work to be to do.
Okay.
I just can't.
A genocide from Israel.
Stop it.
They're terrible at it.
Stop it.
They're terrible.
They're the worst genociders in the history of genocide.
This is whoever the head coach of genocide is needs to be fired.
They're terrible at it.
Oh, my God.
The population of this area keeps increasing.
And they keep telling him, hey, we're about to blow up this building.
You need to leave.
They're awful.
You're trying to commit genocide.
That's not the way to go about it.
A little hint there for the Israelis.
And I think Mamdani can help with this because he seems to have studied some of his deep thinking.
But if you want to look at a genocide, you look at someone like Hitler and try to do what he did.
Mamdani can help you, I'm sure, with many of the tactics, can walk you through them.
But I will say that doesn't seem what they are doing in Israel at all.
It's just so insanely stupid to call it a genocide in the first place.
And you have a guy here who is actually solving problems in the Middle East sitting right next to Mamdani.
And again, this is a point he could have stepped up and said, first of all, that's a lie.
Secondly, we're working, we're doing important work there.
But again, like...
Secondly, we brought peace to the Middle East.
Yeah.
At least point that out.
At least point that out.
What's interesting about Trump here, and this goes back to what I was initially talking about.
Don't focus on what he says, focus on what he does.
What he does is work to make the Middle East peace actually happen.
He really has.
That's what he does.
What he says in these situations a lot of times are letdowns to me.
I mean, like we talked, North Korea was the same way.
He'd be like, ah, I'm going to blow this guy up.
And two days later, he'd be like, he's my best friend.
None of this means anything in real life.
Trump doesn't think about these.
He does not think about words the way others do, which is a weird thing to say about somebody, but it's true.
He looks at them as tools to get to outcomes.
And that is, I think, I think what's happening here.
If we see him do things that have him moving towards Mamdani, of course, he'll be highly critical of him.
Like, I just don't think that doesn't seem to be on the table.
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You know, we're talking about Mamdani and his meeting with President Trump at the White House on Friday.
The guy is just smooth as silk.
He's just so smarmy and in an awful way.
In an awful way.
Yeah.
In a bit of a Gavin Newsome way, like in that it immediately strikes me as really irritating.
Yes.
You know, but like some people don't see through it.
They gravitate to it.
Yeah.
I mean, he's very much a huckster.
You know what I mean?
He's one of those people who can kind of like, you know, he's the person, he's a very snake oil salesman type of guy.
Big time.
But he is very disciplined.
Yeah.
And he delivers communism with a smile.
With a smile.
And it sounds so nice.
The smile seems completely fake to me.
And I don't understand why anyone could look at it and be like, oh, this is a believably happy person.
Like that does not strike me as Mamdani at all.
No.
But like, I do worry about him getting in the room with many politicians.
I think Trump sees through that or at least tolerates it.
He's, I mean, look, the guy's dealt with tougher people than Mamdani and come out many times ahead of them.
So I'm not, I think he knows this game and is good at it and knows how to play it.
But like, you know, I just saw Mamdani fool an entire city.
Yeah.
So I am worried about some of this.
Me too.
It's natural to be worried about it.
He really did just do this to New York.
And one of the reasons why he was able to do it, Pat, is because he never let the veil drop.
He didn't let the veil drop through the entire campaign.
Now, before the campaign started, we saw who he was all the time.
He was on podcasts after podcasts online, constantly admitting to crimes of thought, the evil thought crime that should have disqualified him from a job like this.
So he's on board with the globalized Intifada stuff.
Yeah.
Completely on board with that.
He's a pretty clear anti-Semite.
He talked about seizing the means of production.
The man talked as if he was reading out of the communist manifesto over and over and over again.
And New York City is like, yeah, we're the financial capital of the world.
Let's give this a whirl.
Which is why he only had 2% at the start of the year.
He had like 2% in polls.
Cuomo was at 40 or something.
Well, of course.
Mom Danny starts this as an unaccomplished zilch.
That's who he is.
He's never accomplished anything his entire life.
He's a total zero of a human being.
He was gifted the worst human being society has produced since World War II to run against in Andrew Cuomo.
So like, I mean, look, there's, I don't, and I mean this even to the point of I have very low opinion of the voters of New York.
I am, by the way, born in New York.
I'm, you know, that's, you know, I didn't grow up there for that long.
I got out as fast as I could, but I was, you know, there's, there's things about New York I very much understand as a person who grew up in that area my entire life and was born there.
You know, I, you know, love New York in many ways.
The New York voter, I have very little faith in.
They obviously fall for stuff all the time.
I don't think with the absence of Andrew Cuomo, this happens.
Andrew Cuomo is the core part of this problem that made this available as an outcome.
I don't think him running against a normal Democrat leaves Mamdani winning this election.
Cuomo is uniquely terrible, but uniquely terrible with massive name recognition.
So he was able to get himself through.
He wasn't even able to get through his own primary, but was able to get through to a place where he was on the ballot and made this into a thing.
Look, he should have never, I think a normal Democrat does not lose that primary divisor on Mamdani.
I don't think that there was a huge.
Would you say Eric Adams is a normal Democrat?
I would not say Eric Adams is a normal Democrat.
He was a lost cause going into that.
But if you put a person, you think of the sort of like Bloombergish Democrat, which he's been a Democrat for a very long time.
Yes, he started as a Republican, but he's been a Democrat for a very long time.
That type of person, I think, smokes Mamdani.
He was a Democrat when he was a Republican.
Yes, he was.
And then he was an Independent, and he was also a Democrat.
And then he was a Democrat as a Democrat.
But that type of person, I think, smokes Mamdani.
I don't think it was an outcry for hardcore socialism from New York, but he's going to take it away.
Sadly, that's Mom Dhani.
He's going to take it that way.
And, you know, I think what's fascinating about this, and I think I'm curious if you feel the same way on this, he went through the entire campaign without dropping the veil one time.
Yes, he never backed down on anything he believed, but he spoke it smoothly with a smile.
Beforehand, he said he was very honest.
The campaign started, he became dishonest.
He never said he wasn't going to do these things that he kept, that he promised previously.
He just said them with a smile and massaged them until he won.
When we get shining through, one moment of who he actually was is the campaign acceptance speech, the victory speech afterward.
Do you agree with that?
Yo, absolutely.
That's who he was.
Yes.
The entire time.
Yep.
And that sounded like a guy who, you know, it sounded like a guy.
It sounded like a Joseph Stalin type.
Yeah.
Sounded like a guy who just was the beneficiary of a military coup.
Yeah, that's what it sounded like.
Really did.
And he, that's who he is.
But then he put the veil back on and he's going to go schmoose down.
Now, I think Trump can see through it.
He puts the veil back on, though, because he needs money.
And he's trying to hit people up for more millions of dollars.
He needed for what he wanted.
For the transition.
Yeah.
And he keeps saying that, you know, I don't want to come to you for more money, but I'm doing it.
And he does it all the time.
And so we'll see if that works on people.
I can't imagine anybody giving him a dime.
How stupid do you have to be to help this guy in his plans?
Of course, they voted for him.
So I guess they're already there.
And there is a part of me.
And it's not the, I wouldn't say it's the part of me I'm most proud of, but part of me that's just like, you know, you guys have been fooling with this stuff for a real long time.
Congratulations.
Congratulations.
The problem is we're going to pay for it when they fail.
Are we?
I think so.
I think New York's too big to fail.
And certainly Trump will feel that way.
And the federal government will bail them out.
And that's us.
That's us.
That sucks.
That's why it's not the best part.
I don't think it's a good strategy to like, hey, let's turn over the financial center of the world to communists.
Yeah, that's not a good idea.
It's a good strategy.
But in a way, it is a pretty interesting experiment.
You know, we've been talking about this for so long.
I feel like we've had these same conversations for so long in this country.
It is fascinating to see this play out on a real stage.
And I don't know how he's going to turn out.
And this might have been Trump's theory here with this meeting in that there are two ways this could go.
I have a real opinion on which way it's going to go here, which is I think Mom Danny is a true believer.
He's not going to back down on any of this stuff.
And he's going to try to talk his way out of the hard outcomes of this, right?
He's going to try to BS his way through with smiles and nonsense.
And he believes he's a good enough talker and he's smart enough that nobody thinks Mamdani's smarter than Mamdani.
And I think he's going to go out there and try to schmooze everybody into thinking this is working the whole time.
That's what I think is going to happen.
I think he's going to try to implement all this crap.
The other way that this goes is it's a bad outcome for New York, but it's more of the de Blasio outcome, which is de Blasio also was a real true believer getting into that office.
And he did try to do a lot of those things.
But number one, he wasn't well liked.
When he started doing these things, people pushed back against them.
There were enough corrupt Democrats in the city that tried to stop him because they had corrupt interests with other businesses and things like that.
And, you know, while de Blasio did real damage to New York and he left incredibly unpopular, and it was a bad period for New York, it wasn't the catastrophic outcome that could come from Momdani.
So if you can massage Momdani into a de Blasio, what you get is just normal New York bad, which happens often there, right?
Like I think, you know, you saw the same thing with David Dinkins back in the day.
You know, that led to Giuliani.
And maybe there's some, you never know how these things turn out.
You never know.
You know, I mean, a lot of people who love the Trump second term are kind of like now saying, I'm kind of glad he lost in 2020 because it brought this new guy in 2024.
And a lot of people appreciate that.
So you never know how these things turn out.
I do think it's fascinating to look at his approach to people like this, though, because, you know, I think one thing that a lot of a lot of his friends, people who really support Donald Trump, say and believe, and I think there's something to this, is he really is at times tougher on his friends than he is his enemies.
You know, I mean, he's a good example of that.
That's Marjorie Taylor Greene.
She's like, hey, I'd really like these sex abuse files to come out.
Okay, I'm resigning.
It's like, again, I wouldn't say I'm a Marjorie Taylor Green stan myself.
But kind of a fascinating turn there, Pat.
I think if you were to compare the two, it's way harder on her.
Way harder.
He's been on Mamdani.
By decency one.
By a lot.
He was harder on them in the campaign.
Yes.
Yeah, that's true.
He mentioned during that, but one part that I thought was a little damaging, honestly, from Trump's answers in real life was when they're like, hey, are you standing next to a jihadist?
That's what Elise Stefanik said.
She's like, ah, she's running a campaign.
She says all sorts of stuff.
It's like, that kind of ruins.
She's got a campaign to run here.
And now everyone is going to say, well, you're saying this now, but Trump said you didn't even mean it.
Like, it's a tough spot to put her in.
But I am curious here as to how this plays out.
Marjorie Taylor Greene, I think if you have any criticism, I mean, there's many, but you have criticisms of Marjorie Taylor Green.
It was like she was almost so supportive to Trump, you'd never thought she'd ever disagree with him ever in her entire existence.
And then she has a couple of disagreements on things, by the way, Trump previously supported when it comes to the Epstein files.
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And she's tossed to the side.
Now, I had real problems with Marjorie Taylor Greene and the way she was approaching healthcare, for example.
Oh, yeah.
And like basically arguing for the Democrats' position on it.
Maybe that's more what this is about for Trump than Epstein.
I don't know.
But that was a shocking turn.
And the fact that she's just kind of on a Friday night released a video is like, all right, see you.
I mean, maybe she got an offer from The View or something, and that's going to pay her a lot more money than she's making in Congress.
And, you know, you might notice that she's staying until after her money kicks in.
Oh, yeah, it says a pension situation.
A pension situation.
So she's going to be paid for life.
I mean, can you blame her?
No.
I mean, if you had gone through this and you're like, yeah, again, most people are going to take it.
You're not going to drop out two weeks before you get it.
That's true.
That is true.
I mean, and look, she's got a lot.
She's very well off, Marjorie Taylor Green.
This is not someone who's like borderline.
Like, you know, I don't know if I'm going to be able to make rent next month.
Like, she's done very well for herself over the years.
She has.
And I think she probably will go into media or something and do very well for herself after this.
But that is a fascinating breakup.
I don't think I would.
It happens so quickly.
Wow.
Like head-spinningly quick.
What do you make of it?
Is it him just trying to keep his base in line and saying, like, look, you don't, don't do this.
Don't come out and have these big public disagreements with me.
I want you to fall in line.
If you want to talk to me about that stuff, talk to me behind the scenes.
Privately.
Yeah.
And she was very outspoken about the Epstein thing from the very beginning.
I don't think she changed her view on it at all, honestly.
I don't think so.
Here we are.
Here we are.
So she's leaving.
On January 5th.
Her leaving Congress is big for votes.
I mean, there's only very small margins here.
Losing a Congresswoman, I don't know what the, I honestly haven't looked into what the replacement process is, how long that's going to take.
I don't think it's going to be a super long gap there, but that's a gap where really you can't, it's going to be very difficult to win votes.
Yeah.
So just from the numbers perspective, it's important.
And then you add on to, I mean, but he was promising to primary her.
Yeah.
You know, and that's, as many Republicans have found out, it's not fun.
Obviously, she didn't want to go through it.
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You know, with Mamdani continuing to say that he still believes, he said it in the past, he still believes it today, that Donald Trump is a fascist.
Would a fascist have even met with this guy?
People don't understand what these terms mean.
Yeah, they don't, do they?
He certainly doesn't.
Would a fascist have sat there and helped you through that press conference?
No, not on your life.
You know what a fascist would have done is what I recommended, and that's have you arrested for the things you lied about on your application to come to this country and deported back to Uganda.
That's what a fascist would have done.
Or just somebody who cared about the law.
But I haven't heard any, I haven't even heard the definitive answer on that.
Did he in fact lie on his application to come to the United States?
Do we know about that?
I don't know.
I mean, it's certainly litigated.
Yeah.
There were lots of rumors and reporting on that.
Whether that's true or not, it's hard to know.
It's kind of in that category of like, did Ilan Omar marry her brother?
Pretty much.
I mean, it's certainly that way.
There's a lot of vindications that point that direction.
But we just leave it alone.
Let's not even look into it.
Because that would.
How hard would that be to prove?
You know, in a way, it's sort of like the TikTok ban.
Sure, we passed a law and it was signed by the president and passed through both Halls of Congress and the Supreme Court unanimously upheld it, but what if we just don't do it?
What if we just never?
What if we just don't talk about it?
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Then that.
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And what's this?
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Don is here.
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Yeah.
We solved all the problems.
We did it.
If you just kind of shrug your shoulders and act like it didn't happen, then I guess it didn't happen.
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All right.
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In this article about RFK Jr.'s creepy poetry.
They start out with some of his other issues that he's had in the past.
He's had some?
A few.
Just a couple.
That are somewhat eccentric, maybe, you might say.
Okay.
Like when he dumped a dead bear in Central Park in New York City.
What else are you going to do with a dead bear?
Well, it's the natural thing to do.
You're right.
I don't know why they even bring that up.
You put it in Times Square?
No, put it in Central Park.
Obviously.
Let's put it this way: when you get to the position that you have a dead bear in your possession and you're driving in Manhattan, where do you go?
You go to Central Park.
Central Park.
From that point of the story, it's a totally sensible decision.
The previous parts of it not necessarily something we need to focus on.
How about when he saw the head off a whale?
I don't remember why he did that or really the circumstances surrounding it.
I do remember that he did it.
Well, this is the thing.
You've never been in the position where you've got a dead whale.
And a saw handy.
What are you going to do?
Obviously, if you got the saw and you see the dead whale, you're going to saw its head off.
What else are you going to do with it?
When you have a hammer, everything's a nail.
When you have a saw, you're just going to cut the head off of whatever's in front of you.
Darn it.
If it's a whale, thank God it was a whale and not a child.
Yes.
You know, with the Kennedys past, who knows what could have happened sooner, but this is just a stupid dead whale.
It wasn't even alive.
He didn't even decavitate a live whale.
No, that's right.
It's a dead whale.
So you can't blame him for killing the whale.
It was already dead.
It was already dead.
Look, I don't know if whales have souls.
You know, I mean, you don't know what it desecrates a corpse normally, but like I think with whales, it's probably okay.
Probably fine.
It's probably fine for my money.
It's funny.
Sure.
Yeah.
You know, again, I haven't done too much deep thought on it.
You haven't?
Really?
Because you know what?
I've never been in that position, Pat.
Yeah, that's it.
I can judge him easily.
You might say, oh, gosh, don't cut the head off a whale with a saw.
But walk a mile in his shoes on the beach finding dead whales.
What are you going to do?
Right.
If you're there, there's a whale there.
There's a saw there.
What else are you supposed to do with those two things?
Put some thought into it, people.
Would have been better if he cut his own foot off, right?
No.
No, it would have been worse, I think.
I think it would have been worse if he cut his own foot off and cut the whale's head off.
Yeah.
So I think he made the only decision.
How about the time he claimed that a worm ate part of his brain?
Look, that's more on the worm than him.
I don't see how he gets blamed for that.
That's a worm issue.
And it's probably why he wanted to decapitate the whale.
He was thinking about, look at what this worm did to me.
Right.
You know, I don't want this whale to get inside.
You never know.
And you never know.
And you never know.
Then he denied that he took a bite out of a barbecued dog on a trip to South Korea in 2010.
I mean, he sent a photo with that indication, but he, you know.
He acted like he was taking a bite out of him.
Right.
I think he was a bit.
He was a goat, not a dog.
Right.
Which, of course, obviously we've all eaten entire goats in this sitting.
Colorful existence, Pat.
Of course, you're not even getting into his minor issues that have occurred with women in his life.
Let's put it that way.
Have there been some?
There's been a couple, Pat.
He wrote about them in a very lengthy book that, unfortunately, his wife found and sadly ended her life over, allegedly, these antics.
But you'd think a person in that perspective, one thing he's learned, number one, is that people...
Treat your wife better.
That was the number one thing.
That's number three.
I was going to say, number one, watch your placement of bears.
Okay, placement of bears.
Watch what you saw off of things.
Of whales, of whales especially.
Anything else, I would say.
So you have those two things.
And then the third thing would be maybe don't do things to your wife.
This is an interesting point, Pat.
You don't legally have to get married.
If you want to live a certain type of lifestyle, you are allowed to do that.
What you can't want to do is just not be married while you're doing it.
Now, that might have, there might be moral issues with such a thing.
But like, generally speaking, you're not, it's more, it's not as frowned upon, I suppose, in our society if you're doing these things in a promiscuous way outside of marriage, because then you're not necessarily violating that covenant that you made with the person that is your spouse.
Okay.
Now, you look at this.
You think so.
I think you look a little confused, but I think you're there.
I think I'm with you.
Now, RFK Jr. has not necessarily gone down that path.
No, not necessarily, because he is married to Cheryl Hines.
I always want to say Sherry O'Terry, and that is not who he's married to.
He's married to Cheryl Hines, who is in the Larry David thing.
Yeah.
Curb your enthusiasm.
Right.
Was Larry's wife.
He's been in a number of things, but that's probably the most recent big one.
That seems to be the thing that she's best known for, I would argue.
And, you know, she has apparently released, I think, a book recently, has been out on tour.
I think she's happy that this came out after the tour seemingly ended.
I wouldn't necessarily want to get questions about it.
I think she would have.
I would have liked it if it never happened in the first place, but maybe that's just me.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what she's thinking.
She might appreciate the fact that he's working on poems for other women.
Well, creativity is important.
It is important.
And maybe he runs these by her to see if they work.
I don't know.
But he was writing poetry to Olivia Nootsi, who's a journalist, and she actually says that she fell in love with him and made the mistake of telling him that, apparently.
She's made a lot of mistakes.
Yes.
Seemingly.
Many mistakes she's made.
And we were learning about more and more of them seemingly every day.
But we knew about this RFK Jr. Thing.
You know, to quickly go through the story, if you don't remember it, she profiled RFK Jr.
She's a big journalist and young, had an incredible rise.
She worked for the New York Times at one point.
I think it's vogue now, right?
I think it was the New Yorker or New York magazine was one of them.
Okay.
Off the top of my head, I can't remember which one it was.
But she had gone to, she was Daily Beast.
She's now at Vanity Fair after getting rewarded for all of this incredible behavior when it comes to journalistic ethics.
But when she was with New York magazine or New York or whichever one it was, she profiled RFK Jr.
And afterward, they fell in love together, apparently.
Now, they had never consummated the relationship.
This is different than when she fell in love with Mark Sanford and then they did consummate the relationship, which we have.
And I believe she consummated the relationship also with Keith Olbermann.
Oh, yes.
Which is fun.
And oh, have you gone through the timeline of that one?
Not entirely, no.
Can I walk you through it real quick?
Sure.
Because I think you're going to like it.
Well, I think what's going to happen after I walk you through this timeline, Pat, is you're going to have interesting questions.
Really?
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
Olivia Nootsi, currently 32 years old.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's 2025.
In 2024, there was the blowup of this RFK Jr. stuff, and Keith Olbermann was, it was known they had a relationship at one point.
And you'll see that relationship constantly referred to in one way and one way only, which is she was 21 years old and he was 55.
That's what you'll read.
And you'll think to yourself, wow, that's quite an age difference.
And then you're supposed to stop thinking about it.
And I want to encourage you for a moment to continue thinking about it.
Olivia Newtsie, currently 32 years old.
Keith Olbermann in 2024 was quoted as saying that he hadn't talked to her in a decade.
Now, at that point, she's 31 years old.
A little backing evidence of this.
Ryan Lizz, the current fiancé, referred to her time, which began after the Keith Olberman debacle as a lost decade.
So we're pretty consistent here in the timeframe of that being 10 years.
He has not talked to her in 10 years.
It's a lost decade for Ryan Lizzie.
Okay.
So 31.
Now, if you want to help me with the math here, 31 minus 10 would be what?
21.
21.
That's what we know about this relationship.
They dated when he was 55 and she was 21.
Yes.
Okay.
I think I see where this is going.
Now, interestingly enough, we have a little bit more about the information about this particular relationship from, again, Keith Olberman himself.
When he was defending himself about the rumors that he paid $15,000 in gifts to Olivia Newtsie.
And his defense, I want to make clear, this is Keith Olbermann's defense, is that it wasn't that much money to spend on her because they had to go through four different Christmases, birthdays, anniversaries, whatever.
Why?
Because they, quote, lived together for four plus years.
Four plus years.
Now they're at 17?
16 and a half.
Maybe?
That plus is doing a lot of legal work.
Because if that plus is a month, maybe he's on the right side of barely legal.
She's 17.
And he's 45.
Almost 51?
Oh, my God.
Correct me if I'm wrong on the math.
Maybe I am.
But that is every piece of evidence we know about this.
And he's the one that said four plus years.
And Pat, the wording's important there.
Man.
Four plus years of living together.
Now, I don't know about you, Pat, but some in our society have developed the tradition of at least going on a couple of dates before you move in together.
You know, it's now I know we should wait until marriage is the maybe more appropriate way of going about this.
However, if you're just going to move in with someone, typically what occurs is a courtship of some sort.
Now, I don't know as a 51-year-old man how you court someone who is 17 or 16 years old.
Keith Oberman might now, maybe there's some miscommunication here.
Maybe the word decade, I haven't talked to her in 10 years, just throwing him out.
It was really only seven or eight.
It would still be very interestingly creepy, but maybe he'd be on the right side of the law there.
But might it might, the truth might be that he wasn't.
He seemingly, Pat, took her directly out of high school and they moved in together.
That is like right where this line is, if what has been reported is accurate.
At the oldest, she was 18, right?
At the oldest, I would say.
Seemingly, again, like maybe he can correct this.
Maybe he was flippant with his words when he said four.
Because remember, he was trying to defend.
Well, he and Liza have said it was 10 years.
Just 10 years.
So they both sides of it.
They confirm that.
And everyone has confirmed it's 21 years old.
They were dating.
The thing I think people are losing here is when you hear they were dating at 21, you assume they started dating when she was 21.
What actually seemingly happened is that their relationship ended when she was 21.
Right.
Right.
And by the way, we should also note that both parties, both Liza and Olivia Nuzzi, both basically seem to claim that he was stalking her after it ended.
This guy's just okay.
This guy got how many jobs after all this happened?
It's amazing, really.
Amazing.
His entire public career outside of ESPN seems to have occurred at this time.
And he was so indignant too over the jewelry thing.
He was like, what was I supposed to do?
Give her Walmart gift certificates?
Yeah.
All right.
No, Mr. Elitist.
No, we would never expect that of you.
No, we expect you.
I mean, to be clear, we expect a person like you to buy your teenager with a lot of money.
Right.
I actually did.
It was consistent with what I thought of him, which is, yes, he purchased his teenagers at expensive prices.
I wouldn't think, Pat, for example, he would purchase his teenagers cheaply.
No, you're right.
I would be surprised if he did that.
Yeah.
We saw that with Jeffrey Epstein.
Epstein, to do a very valid comparison, was targeting teenagers in high school with much lower sums.
Yeah, 200 bucks.
Right.
That's nothing compared to what Olberman was offering for whatever activities occurred here.
Congratulations.
Allegedly.
Wow.
So that he's a big spender.
The Olbermann Allegations00:07:32
That is a sidetrack.
We did the sidetracked off the Argentine, but it's, I got to say, Pat, my favorite part of the story.
I got to say, and no one's focusing on that part of it.
No, people are talking about Olbermann.
I heard someone say, Olberman, gosh, the people in this are so shady.
He actually comes off as good.
All he did was give her a bunch of money.
Does he come off as good?
No.
Does he?
Because number one, he's being accused of stalking, which is normally the type of thing that gets you in trouble.
But apparently, in this case, we're just all going to shrug our shoulders at it.
But I am curious at the timeline is interesting.
You know, sometimes, Pat, a successful movie franchise will occur.
Three movies get made, and then a couple of years go by and they go back and they would say, well, what was the origin story?
I'd love to know that.
What's the origin story of a 51-year-old elite media member hanging out in a middle school With a high schooler.
What is that story?
Unreal.
Like, were they at the same time?
Unreal.
Were they at the same high school dance?
How did it happen?
I'm so curious.
I would love to know.
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I will say this, Pat.
We were just talking about the Olbermann thing over here.
I would just say release the Olbermann files is what I would say.
Yes, please.
There's got to be more information.
Yeah.
Maybe it's just Keith admitting the timeline, whatever that is, but release the Albertman files.
I would love to know.
Me too.
Just, you know, as an interested observer.
Me too.
Because that timeline is very strange.
Yeah.
To say the least.
Yeah.
And maybe borderline or maybe over the line illegal.
It could be.
By the way, in this process of following this timeline down, I did look up the age of consent in New York, which is, to I would say no one's surprise, 17.
Stunning.
Stunning.
And by the way, you know, this event, whatever happens here with Olbermann sets her life down this course, which is awful.
I mean, you know, she seems to be talented as a writer and a journalist, although some of the writing in this book seems to be pretty bad.
RFK Jr. style writing.
Maybe we'll finish that off here in a second.
But like, you know, you start off when you're a teenager and you're taken out of what seems to be a bad home.
I think this is by her telling of the story that she's had a rough situation at home at this period.
And Liz, I think, said this as well.
That, you know, you go, you leave that and, you know, this man in his 50s comes to quote unquote rescue you out of this life.
You know, that's another similarity to the Epstein stuff.
Oh, it's interesting, Pat.
Yeah.
A lot of those victims were very troubled, had very troubled lives.
And here was a guy, a really rich guy, offering them a different path.
Hey, you know what?
Come over and give me a massage and I'll take you around the world.
Give you $200 every time.
Now, obviously, Olbermann wouldn't do it that cheaply.
No.
Would you say?
No, would you say, like, I don't know, Scott, I'll just, sometimes we get down all these roads.
I want to make sure I summarize something appropriately.
Would you say that the one difference between Olbermann and Epstein is the amount that they paid?
Allegedly.
Yes.
Again, I had a question mark at the end of that pay.
Okay.
Would you say that that is the one?
I would say it's possible.
I'd say it's possible.
That's the only difference.
And you say that allegedly.
Allegedly possible.
And to Keith's one very brief argument on his behalf, frequency might be also the issue.
It was more of a what he didn't want these like these flings.
He was looking for a lasting relationship with a teenager.
He's not trying to create a allegedly.
Right, right.
It wasn't like he was constantly at high schools that we know of.
We just know that at one time, allegedly.
He was apparently at a high school dance somewhere and met somebody who was, you know, not even graduated from high school, maybe.
Perhaps.
We don't know.
Again, the details are important right here.
We need to know the timelines.
I'm sure we'll see him out on his balcony on the west side of New York and he'll be talking about it.
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All right, we took a little detour on our story of RFK Jr.
You think?
A little, very interesting one on Keith Oberman.
Unconsummated Affairs and Poetry00:11:28
But RFK Jr. has a little issue here now with the poetry he was writing for his, I guess, just online lover, text lover kind of person.
I mean, who knows what they were working toward?
Who knows?
Well, I think we know.
But it hadn't been consummated yet, unlike some of her previous affairs.
Okay.
Allegedly.
But she did claim she was in love with him, and I guess that was returned.
I don't know.
Seems like it was reciprocated.
We don't have all the details on that.
We don't have all the details of some of it.
And we can't, the details that we do have, we can't tell you all about.
Yeah, unfortunately.
We could give you one poem that he wrote to her.
Sort of.
I mean, it's still a little suggestive-ish.
But he wrote her poetry.
And again, I don't think he ran this by Cheryl, his wife.
She's a creative type, though.
You'd think maybe she'd have a good opinion on it.
She might.
She might.
Let me ask you this, Pat.
Ever written a poem and a text?
I have not.
In your entire life?
Never.
No.
No, me neither.
Are we the weird ones?
Maybe.
Here's one of the poems he wrote to her.
The only one we can really tell you about on the air.
I mean to squeeze your cheeks to force your mouth open.
I am a river.
You are my canyon.
This is awful.
This is the good stuff.
I mean, this is the stuff we can actually read.
Yeah.
I mean to flow through you.
I mean to subdue and tame you, my love.
Oh, well, he wrote love.
Yeah, yeah.
That's nice.
Isn't that beautiful and romantic?
That's a good.
Tell me, your wife wouldn't love that.
I mean, who wouldn't swoon at something like that?
Are you kidding me?
That is beautiful.
That is really, really lovely.
Oh, very strange.
So weirdness.
And I will say, you should thank us for not walking you any deeper down this particular road because you do not want to know.
I feel like there's unfortunately many people who will go and read more about this and learn new sexual terms I wasn't familiar with and will then do the math as to what RFK Jr.'s role is in that particular process and want to jump out of a building.
So I will say you should not go research any of this today.
That would be my certainly don't Google anything you find in the articles about it.
But it does not seem to be I don't understand how these things like I can I don't understand how these relationships stay together after such things.
You know, like he's still married.
She was out kind of like defending him on the campaign trail or I don't know, campaign trail, I guess is the wrong word on her book tour.
But like, you know, talking about how she, you know, is because it came out that they had a relationship through texting, right?
Yes.
During that time.
I don't think the poems, the poetry had come out yet.
I think he sort of denied it at the time.
But again, you know, the word of a Kennedy when it comes to relationships, I would not prioritize too high on your on your on your sort of pyramid of trust.
But it's, it's pretty, pretty rough.
I would say some of the be some of the at least alleged topics breached, I wouldn't say particularly, don't sound very healthy.
No, it was, it was Ryan Lizzie.
I was going to say, when you're talking about make America healthy again, you might want to listen to RFK Jr. on his workout routine and less about his sexual exploits.
Yeah.
Because those don't seem healthy at all.
No.
It was Ryan Lizza, her fiancé or former fiancé, who found this stuff, right?
And released it.
Yeah, and he, yes, I think that's he did discover that he was not the initial person who discovered.
I believe one of her media like mentors was the first one who brought it to the attention of New York Magazine, I believe was the publication.
And, you know, we should note it had nothing to do with the fact that she was sleeping around or wanting to sleep or sleep around or any of that.
What it had to do was a supposed violation of journalistic ethics.
That was the problem with all of this coming out because she had profiled the guy.
Right.
You can't be.
That's a problem.
Again, it's one thing to have an affair, which is problematic enough for many.
But I will say when you're doing it in that realm of sleeping with your source, sleeping with the person, not only just a source, but someone you're profiling.
Like because of all of this, Pat, I don't know if you even watched it at the time, but because of all of this, there was a famous tweet from Olivia Nootsie back in 2015 where she said, why does Hollywood always portray female journalists as sleeping with their sources?
And she was angry about this.
She wrote a piece about it.
And the picture in the conversation at the time was of Kate Mara, who is an actress, playing the role of Zoe Barnes on House of Cards.
Now, did you watch House of Cards at all back in the day?
First of all, House of Cards, at least the early seasons, is fantastic.
It is a great series.
It's really, really good.
And Zoe Barnes is this young female reporter who is trying to get ahead and can't.
She's writing stupid stories that nobody cares about and decides to take it to a new level.
One of the things she does in this is to sleep with her source, which is a congressman played by Kevin Spacey.
And that was the conversation at the time.
Like, why are you portraying women like journalists like this?
They don't do this.
Now, we've seen many examples of them doing this.
And Olivia Newtsie became one of the examples of doing this.
What's funny about that particular show, though, because of that, I went back and started watching it again.
And yes, she does sleep with her source, Kevin Spacey.
Another thing she does, which never gets any criticism, was she went to him and said, basically, I want to get stories from you.
I will print whatever you want without any questions.
Like she, she's just like, I will do your bidding to get ahead, right?
That eventually leads to sex, but that's how it starts.
And no journalist seems to have any denial on that one.
There's not like, there's no articles, no think pieces written about it.
You know, women journalists shouldn't be portrayed as writing anything politicians want them to say.
Yet, gosh, I see that reflected in the reporting maybe more than the sexual escapades.
Yeah.
Wow.
For his part, Ryan Liz has said, I can't say there weren't any signs of a problem with her.
No?
I did find it odd that Olivia was simultaneously reading Robert Green's The Art of Seduction and Maureen Callahan's Ask Not, The Kennedys and the Women They Destroyed.
So she's reading both of those books at the same time.
And that might have been a clue to him.
That there's a particular focus, maybe a particular obsession.
Yeah.
There's a little something going on behind the scenes there.
Do you know?
And this is, I don't know if this is a question you can answer, Pat, but I'm going to ask it anyway.
Look, a lot of people in the audience really like RFK Jr.
And some of the things that he talks about, I can get behind.
Sure.
I'm in agreeance with him that we should not be mandating a vaccine, for example, of any sort.
That should be a decision made by a family.
So I am with him on that.
There's several issues.
He's a big Bitcoin guy, and I appreciate his newly found belief in.
He's been fairly good on the border.
He recently has been good on the border.
So there are issues I agree with him on.
Do you get the heartthrob thing from him, though?
No, I do not.
He's not my type.
So maybe that's it.
Maybe that's it.
Maybe that's it.
I will say for a super dreamy year old man in good shape.
Yeah, he is.
Works out in jeans all the time, which is always an interesting thing.
But does seem to be in good shape, right?
Yeah, he does.
There are a lot of things, though, when I look at him, and just I don't, I don't necessarily get it from a, especially from a 30-year-old, glamorous female reporter.
Like, I don't.
Yeah.
But I mean, again, I'm not a 30-year-old famous, glamorous female reporter, even though I play one of the best.
I noticed that.
Yeah, I noticed that.
So maybe that's it.
I don't know.
That one's a fascinating one.
Maybe the ladies in the audience can chime in on that.
I don't know.
The appeal of RFK Jr.
Because you got the voice thing, which is tough for him, man.
And that's tough in a lot of different ways.
I know it's caused by some health issue.
Yeah.
So it's.
It just seems like he's been out in the sun a lot.
Like it just been like, he just, you know, he got that like leathery sort of vibe, which, you know, maybe, you know, some ladies kind of seem to like.
I mean, it's like maybe a outdoorsy, You know, rough sort of guy, but again, he's a Kennedy.
He hasn't been outdoors, I don't think all that much.
I think he spent most of his time in courtrooms.
He's been like a part-time lumberjack or anything?
No, I don't think so.
That's weird.
But again, he, I am also a person who's never cut the head off a whale.
You know, so that seems like an outdoorsy activity.
Maybe he is outdoors.
He's more outdoorsy than I realize.
I think that actually is part of the stated charm between.
Right.
What about the dead bear?
Have you ever dumped a dead bear in Central Park?
No.
You probably haven't.
Not even the ones, Pat.
Has a worm.
Have you ever eaten part of your brain?
No.
Not one.
Not one.
Not that I know of.
I wanted.
I lived and worked in New York for several years.
Almost never even went to Central Park.
I tried to stay out of it as much as possible.
I think I might have gone once, but when we were there for what, three years?
I've been there a few times, but not many.
Not many.
I don't even understand it.
Why is there a giant park in the middle of the city?
I don't get it.
Just for green space, I think, right?
Because all the concrete around it.
Somebody thought, hey, you know what?
Let's put about a mile's worth of green.
You know, parks.
Like, there's a, there's a, we used to work near Bryant Park in New York, which is a block.
And it's really nice.
Like, people go out there.
They watch movies.
They do movies in the park.
They have like ice skating during Christmas season.
That seems to me to be an appropriate park.
Central Park's really big.
Really, really big.
Really big.
I don't understand the reasoning.
I don't, I, other than to give billionaire Roe some nice views, I don't really get it.
Yeah, I think that's the whole point right there.
I think you might have just put your finger on it.
So there's that's probably why it stays.
At the beginning, it was built, you know, seemingly a totally different reason, but it wasn't that developed.
Just you think with the amount of real estate and how much it's worth.
Yeah.
You know, I, I, I, you know, maybe I'm the only person in America in the position of really not getting the Central Park thing, but I don't get it at all.
You just want to concrete it?
You just want to put a nice cul-de-sac in there.
You know, build some nice homes for these people, for these billionaires.
They're all so high in the air.
Maybe they want to get closer to the ground.
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We were just talking about EVs and how far they've come.
Electric vehicles, yeah.
Yeah.
And apparently the Chinese have made some advances that even Tesla hasn't made yet.
Yeah, they supposedly.
It's interesting because we have tariffs that were put on by the, you know, during the Biden administration on Chinese electric vehicles and whether you can import them.
And the tariffs are over 100%.
So it basically makes it impossible for anyone to import one.
Yeah.
It would double the price.
Because they're too expensive.
No one would pay the price.
But I will say, you look at the cars that they are producing, some of them are legitimately impressive.
They are very, very fast, like Teslas are, or like, you know, the Lucid Air is or whatever.
Very, very fast, very, very luxurious, incredible features.
You know, place the thing like giant screens in the back seats for like people like with recliners in the back seats, all sorts of storage.
I mean, like some of them, and they look pretty good.
There are some people, car people I talk to that are like, well, they're not built with the same quality.
And I think that's probably true, but also, you know, they seem to be built of decent quality.
The technology developing very, very fast there.
They have a new charger that they've unveiled, which is like, you know, five minutes from zero to 400 miles or something ridiculous like that, which is much better than even the chargers.
And the Tesla.
Yes.
It's like you're filling up your gas tank.
That's what I've been waiting for.
Yeah.
Really?
And the Tesla superchargers here are impressive.
Like they're, they're pretty fast, but they're not that fast.
Yeah.
And like they've, it's interesting because we're now at that point where we're keeping a lot of the Chinese stuff out, which I can understand, right?
Like there are reasons why.
I don't like the protectionist reasoning for it that a lot of people associate with, but this is an adversary and there's some real reasons to limit our interactions with them.
But it is when they when they're developing things that a lot of people are reporting are on the level or above the level.
AI is another example of what we're able to accomplish here.
You know, separating ourself completely from the top ends of technology isn't always a good thing.
You know, the Soviet Union tried to do that back in the day and wound up with horrible cars.
Every communist country tried that in the day.
I'm not saying we're doing that.
We're not doing it at that level.
And we certainly have much better technology than the Soviet Union did.
But it does make me nervous that we will lose access to big developments like this.
We better make sure.
I think this is why Trump is so aggressive on stuff like AI.
And I know it makes me squeamish at times.
And I think it makes a lot of his supporters squeamish at times about how aggressive he's being.
But I think that's why he's doing it.
I think he's really worried about one of these other countries taking the lead and then taking over an industry like that.
And then where are we?
Yeah.
And not only economically, but also technologically.
Now, you got the Tesla.
Yes.
It finally came.
And you let it drive you to work.
Yeah.
It will do it.
You're completely comfortable with it?
Completely is not the right word.
I am blown away by how impressive of a feat it is for this thing to be able to do it.
I mean, that's incredible.
And it can do it.
Incredible.
Maybe it's worth talking more about the experience.
But it is, it's not perfect.
And it's almost surprising that they let it get on the market like this.
Not from Tesla's perspective, but from the government's perspective.
They're always so like.
Because things can go wrong, right?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The other day I was just sitting at a red arrow.
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Oh, no, really?
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Now, yesterday, your Falcons lost.
I'm a big Falcons fan this year.
I mean, not Falcons.
Let's talk more about the Falcons.
Darn Eagles.
Lost.
Sad, Pat.
It's only the third time this year, though, right?
Yeah, they're at.
That's not bad.
I mean, you put it in perspective.
I'm not all that way.
I mean, you'd love to sweep a division rival.
You'd love to put the division out of reach in November.
These things don't always come to you, though.
Fuck you lost to the hated games.
Yeah, that's that hurt.
I mean, I would argue their Giants' loss earlier this year was worse.
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They're weird.
Because, you know, lots of penalties and turnovers and weird stuff they don't normally do.
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I will say.
So look, the Cowboys deserve a little bit of happiness.
I like the people at Dallas.
I don't like the Cowboys fans, but they deserve a little bit of happiness around here every once in a while.
So you're willing to grant them that one.
No, I was not at all willing to do it at the time.
You don't have a lot of choice, right?
No.
I do fall back, though.
They still have a, I think, two and a half game lead and the Super Bowl ring.
So I'll take that.
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So what is this tweet that the Border Patrol just tweeted out?
Well, you'll agree, I think, with the first line of it.
Okay.
Which is this.
It is not a crime to carry over $10,000.
Oh, no.
Yeah, I do agree with that.
Yes.
It should not be a crime to carry $10,000.
Now, I will say, I have never in my life carried over $10,000 that I can remember.
You have to revive.
But if somebody's doing that, if I want to do it, it's none of your business.
Right.
I should be able to do it.
Why would Border Patrol even be talking about that?
Well, they have a bit of an addendum to the initial statement.
Because normally you think, I would not mind at all if they just stated, it is not a crime to spend over $10,000.
And leave it at that end.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's not how the tweet ended, however.
Oh, boy.
The tweet went on.
It said it is not a crime to carry over $10,000.
We just want to know about it.
You know what?
Tough.
You don't get to.
And there's no reason for you to know about it.
Why would you know about it?
If I want to carry $100,000 in cash and put it in my car and you pull me over for some reason, I don't have to tell you about the $100,000 I have in my car.
Show me the law that says I got to tell Border Patrol about any cash I have on hand.
There isn't one.
So why would I tell you about it?
It's unbelievable.
I mean, that is civil asset forfeiture stuff.
And they're just trying to take it from you.
They just want to take it from you.
For the uninitiated, Pat, civil asset forfeiture.
It's a big jihad of both yours and mine.
Yep.
I can't stand it.
And it's so unconstitutional.
I don't understand how it continues to happen.
Describe it.
Okay.
If you get pulled over by Border Patrol or you get pulled over by, you know, state police, whatever, you're speeding.
And then they decide that they're going to search your car for whatever reason, like a dog hits on your car, and they find cash in your car, and they can confiscate that.
And it's very difficult for you to get your money back, even if you've done nothing wrong.
They can take your $10,000 if you have it on you, and they don't have to charge you with a crime.
They can just take your money.
Yeah.
And then it's your job.
It's your obligation to go to them and file for your own money for them to give it back to you.
And they don't have to give it back to you.
They don't have to give it cases until you go to court many, many times.
And many people lose and don't get their money.
Many people.
Yeah, many.
Now, the defense of this, I mean, it sounds so absurd, right?
I think most people would think, okay, well, if they take the money, then once I'm cleared of the crime, I get it back.
No.
Nope.
Nope.
In fact, not how it works.
Again, they don't have to charge you with a crime.
They don't even have to charge you with a crime.
They can just take your money based on a generalized suspicion that something might be going on.
Right.
And that's it.
And by the way, a lot of, you know, there's a lot of small town, in particular, you know, law enforcement that winds up funding a big chunk of their operation based on stuff like this.
Yeah.
And it's, to me, completely unconstitutional.
It's not a close call.
No.
It's not a close call.
It is your right to be able to drive around with a bunch of cash that's yours.
Now, if you did something wrong and they have evidence to charge you with a crime and then, I would argue, also convict you of said crime.
Yeah.
If they were to do that, at that point, it would be your ill-gotten booty at that point.
Exactly.
That's not what we're talking about here.
No.
Now, law enforcement that I've talked to about this make the argument that this is sort of their way of capturing people that they know are doing things that are wrong, but they can't quite prove it yet, right?
Like it gives them an in.
Okay, they got a bunch of cash.
Well, why is that?
Ask a bunch of questions, follow up, and you wind up going.
And many times I'm sure this is true.
It is a drug dealer or it is somebody in a criminal enterprise.
Right.
But a lot of times it hasn't been.
We've had stories of people who were going to go buy a truck and pay cash for it.
People who had $500,000 on them.
I don't know why.
They shouldn't have to explain it, but they were never charged with a crime.
This happened in Utah.
They were pulled over, had half a million dollars or close to it for whatever reason.
But why?
But why?
Why?
Here's the thing.
You don't get that answer.
Right.
That's the thing that was.
It's none of your business.
If they didn't commit a crime and they weren't charged, they were never charged with a crime.
I'm sorry.
If you can't, if you don't have any evidence that they did something wrong to obtain the money, you got to give it back.
You got it.
In fact, you don't take it in the first place.
This is America.
Well, and I can, what?
I'm driving with $500,000.
That's a crime?
No.
No, it's not a crime.
No, it's not a crime.
It's not a crime.
Well, I should clarify that.
What if, Pat, what if it's unreported U.S. currency?
Then it's still not a crime.
Wait, what is you doing?
I don't have to.
I don't have to report it.
I don't think that's.
It is true.
Because I'm reading to you.
You don't have to report it.
Let me give you more of this tweet if you think you're so smart.
Okay, go ahead.
It's not a crime to carry over $10,000.
We just want to know about it.
Yeah, I don't care what you want to know about.
It is not my duty to tell you about it.
Well, officers in Texas, it's where we live, by the way, seized over $70,000 of unreported U.S. currency.
This is a term actually being utilized by the government of the United States.
Sorry, I don't have to report my money to you.
No.
You don't have to.
Even if you pull me over, I don't have to see.
You know what?
Now, a gun might be a different issue.
If you get pulled over by an officer, you probably want to share with them, you know what?
I have a concealed carry permit and I've got a gun in the car.
You might want to tell them that.
If I have cash in the car, that's none of your stinking business.
And I don't have to tell you about it.
I don't have to say it.
You know what?
Concealed Cash vs. Displayed Guns00:07:34
I got $70,000 in the car.
There's no reason to have to tell them that.
I mean, Pat, I didn't give you the rest of the story.
To be fair, you didn't know this.
Because he apparently had the money concealed in the vehicle.
No.
It wasn't just on display on his dash.
A lot of people with 70 grand.
I guess I'm putting on the dash.
I would display it on the dashboard.
What kind of felon is this guy?
Or at least put it on the passenger seat for all to see.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
Or you tape it to the windshield.
Or at the very least, if you're going to put it in your trunk, a place that might be concealed, you just want to put a sign saying there's $70,000 in cash in the vehicle.
In my trunk.
Just so everyone knows.
Now, look, this particular case may have been a situation where a drug smuggler was bringing in and putting it in a false gas tank or something.
Something that would really indicate what's going on here.
But if it's concealed in the glove compartment, that's or under the seat.
Yeah.
That's not a problem.
No.
I mean, it's technically probably not a problem legally anywhere.
Now, again, this is a border situation.
So we do at times, you know, people come in and do customs, right?
Normally it's okay to carry fruit, for example.
But if you're bringing in fruit from another country, they'll stop you and they'll say, that fruit can't come in.
There are different rules when it comes to this.
So, you know, again, not talking about the specific case.
I just, I feel, I feel that we are at a time where a lot of this, a lot of these lines are being crossed.
And we should, it's not good.
Even though, you know, like, I think as a community of the Glenn Beck program, Pat and Stu, the audience, Glenn, all working together, we all like love the work that the Border Patrol is doing right now.
Like they're doing really good work and protecting us.
And I overwhelmingly have positive vibes.
That's not necessarily the case for some in our country, but I generally speaking think we're doing a good job on the border.
We shouldn't cross lines like this, though.
No, because it is not a it is not a crime to carry around a bunch of cash.
It might be ill-advised.
Yeah.
I mean, I would be nervous that it would be stolen.
Yeah.
I would hope it wouldn't come from law enforcement taking it from me.
Like that would be, that would be the thing I wouldn't, I shouldn't be worried about.
And I will say, if you do have a whole bunch of money, you're not going to put it on display.
Of course, it's hidden and concealed.
Of course.
Obviously.
It would be stupid not to conceal $70,000.
There's really not another option.
No.
Like sometimes we'll be going somewhere in the car and my son will have $70,000 in cash.
No, I'm kidding.
My son will have his iPad or something and he's like playing on his iPad as we're taking a long trip and we pull into a gas station or a restaurant and I'll be like, you know, like slide the iPad under the seat or something.
So it's not just out there on display.
So has the Border Patrol pulled you over and taken the iPad from you?
It feels like a rational situation.
We're going to take that.
What could that iPad be?
You could do all sorts of illegal things on an iPad.
Why are you hiding it?
Yeah.
And again, we do love the work the Border Patrol has done.
And they do a heck of a job.
And it's a thankless job.
And they're getting all kinds of flack everywhere they go.
But to just pull over somebody and find out they have $70,000 and just take it, sorry.
Well, that's not American.
Would it change your opinion if I told you they posted the picture of the money?
No, it wouldn't.
They always do that.
No, it's like, we got all these drugs.
Here's a picture of the drugs.
Yeah.
They always do that.
They did it with money this time.
It was just piles of money.
It's like, all right.
Now you're pissed at the person for having $70,000.
Why don't I have to do it?
Look at all that dollars.
Yeah.
Why don't they give it to me?
Right.
You know?
Exactly.
Why don't I have rights to their money?
I just voted in the New York City mayoral election.
I was told I had rights to everybody else's money.
Man.
I just, I really, we don't want to go down that road.
No.
We don't.
And in Texas, you know, they're probably, they experience this a lot more than, I don't know, Iowa probably does.
There's a lot of drug traffic.
There's a lot of people that are smuggling drugs and probably cash across the border.
You know, and I don't want to hinder that work, but for an American citizen to have $70,000 on him, that's not a problem.
It's not a problem.
And they shouldn't have to explain it to any law enforcement agency anywhere in America, unless, you know, you've, you see, I don't know, cocaine spilled all over the floorboard or it's on their nose or who knows?
I mean, there might be hard evidence that you're seeing there's a bloody knife in the back seat and you're, you see a body back there.
Then that might be a problem.
Maybe you look into it.
I mean, we don't know.
But you don't know why.
You don't know why somebody just taking a nap back there with a bloody knife.
That's happened.
I mean, sure.
I'm sure somewhere at some point.
I mean, I would say like the typical officer is probably going to say, look, yes, it's not a crime to carry $70,000 in cash that you've concealed in your vehicle.
However, every single time we've seen someone do it, it winds up being a crime attached to a criminal enterprise.
And like, I get that.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, that's not the way the law is supposed to work.
Again, it's the assumption of innocence.
And you should have to charge them with something.
Yeah.
If you're going to take them into custody, if you're going to take their money, you got to charge them.
I would argue again.
You shouldn't take it until you convict them of a crime.
You shouldn't be.
But still, I get it.
It's a good argument.
Yeah.
I get it.
And they're like, well, what if they're going to wind up sending that money somewhere else by the time?
Yeah, that's probably true.
But again, what do you prioritize?
Prioritize getting a few thousand dollars out of their hands or do we prioritize constitutional protections and like innocence, the presumption of innocence is a big deal.
We argue about it all the time when we're talking about like anti-woke things, for example.
When we say, hey, you know, maybe this person shouldn't be me too'd for the allegation of a joke 12 years ago.
Like that's, that's all based on a very foundational principle of presumption of innocence.
We should assume, unless we have real evidence, assuming this person abused in some way, we should assume their innocence.
I mean, all these things, like we very clearly assumed the innocence of Keith Olbermann earlier today when there was like legitimate timeline because that was obvious.
It was obvious we assumed innocence.
I assume when they say he was dating, he hasn't talked to the woman he was dating in 10 years when she's 31 and that they lived together for four years.
I assume there's just a number problem there.
Like at some point, you said that.
Yeah, and you did mention that.
Maybe there's a, maybe it was only six or seven years.
Right.
Like maybe he just said decade and meant something that didn't mean decade.
You know, it's possible.
Oh, he's inaccurate with everything else.
Maybe he was inaccurate with that.
100%.
I've never heard him say anything factual.
Right.
So the fact that he would mess up the dates.
It's not surprising.
Maybe they only dated for six weeks and he said four plus years.
I won't put it past Keith Oberman for just lying, especially when he's defending himself.
Like he seems, I would argue he does that many, many times when I've seen him in the media.
No question.
It's not told the truth.
So perhaps it's just an extension of this.
In fact, in this particular instance, it would be good for him if it was.
Yes, it would.
You know?
Yeah, it would.
But that's what I mean.
We always assume innocence on this program.
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This is fun.
And I know, Stu, you're going to love this because Jasmine Crockett.
Oh, I already love it.
You already love it.
I love it.
You don't have to go any further.
I love everything about her.
More of her in our public view.
And you're about to get some because she's talking about running for Senate here.
Okay, let's hear.
Cut seven.
I am still thinking about running.
We did get our polling back.
So we are moving on to the next phase of the time.
Pause in for a little bit.
What did your polling show?
Because we leave that completely undiscussed.
I would love to hear what the polling says that you just got back.
Because my guess is you're at about 1%.
Come on.
I actually have seen some polling of her and for Senate.
I believe, I could be wrong on this, but if my recollection is accurate, she is leading the field for Democrats.
Of Democrats.
Now, she's not going to win.
She's a state, which is one of the reasons why I really want her to win.
It would not surprise me if she loses the power of the family.
I want her to win the front.
Yes, because she gets a lot of attention.
And incentives are aligned for her to be on television, not only just on CNN or MSNBC, but like Cold Bear and all these other things.
There's a reason she's there.
She's got name recognition.
They put her against, I want to say it was Betto.
And Betto can't win any election.
Have they not realized that yet?
Don't even let him run.
It's just not, it's not going to happen.
But this is what I want Jasmine Crockett to be the new Beto.
I want her running in every election.
Beyond that, you just said you must have it.
You must have her.
Do I want it?
I must have it.
I must have a Jasmine Crockett Senate run.
It's the only thing that's fair to me.
And I think you love her so much.
I really do.
I can't stand to listen to her.
I love her.
Oh, God.
She says everything that Democrats are thinking in the most impossibly stupid way.
I love what she does.
She brings, she gives you the easiest example of what is wrong with your opponent.
Yeah, she does.
And also the dumbest example.
Yes.
And that's, again, heavy lifting.
It is.
In many ways.
Now, there's a lot of dumb people who are Democrats.
Do I think she's the dumbest person in Congress?
No.
That's Eric Swalwell.
But I think outside of Swalwell and maybe AOC, she could be the dumbest.
But she presents it in the dumbest possible way.
Have you forgotten Hank Johnson?
Don't leave him out.
Please.
Hank Johnson's fantastic, too.
Again, but like, do you want more or less Hank Johnson?
I want more.
Again, I don't want him to have any more power than he does.
And to be clear, do I want Jasmine Crockett to run for Senate?
Yes.
Do I want Jasmine Crockett to run for president in 2028?
Yes.
Do I want her to win the Democratic nomination in both races?
Yes.
Do I want her to win the presidency?
No.
Do I want her to win the Senate seat?
No.
I want her to win every primary she can.
I want her to feel as successful as possible because the more successful she does, the more confident she gets and the more dumb stuff she says.
So there is nothing about Jasmine Crockett that I don't adore.
And she believes she's a superstar right now.
She believes she will win the U.S. Senate seat in Texas.
She 100% believes it.
And I don't think she cares whether it's against Cornyn or Paxton or even Ted Cruz.
I think she believes she beat any of them.
It's interesting.
She'll get to this.
Herself.
Oh, she.
And I love that about her.
Nobody loves Jasmine Crockett more than Jasmine Crockett.
100% true, Pat.
And I love watching her go through this process.
I love watching the Democratic media establishment reward her for the things that she does.
They do.
They do it over and over.
It's a real problem for Democrats right now because look, there's no benefit in working away at legislation that advances progressive causes.
That's boring.
What wins, what gets you the things that you want is what Jasmine Crockett does.
And that is a massive problem for both sides, but particularly the left.
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All right, we were trying to get through the Jasmine Crockett thing on running for Senate.
You did a great, we probably got three seconds worth.
Yeah, I bet.
It's a lot.
Full three seconds.
That's not bad.
It's hard to get through one second, but you love it.
I love it.
I love every second of it.
Let's have more.
Let's have more.
Let's start from the beginning and see if we can get all the way through this.
Shaher She is talking about running for Senate.
I am still thinking about running.
We did get our polling back.
Cornyn's Conservative Senate Bid00:11:48
So we are moving on to the next phase to determine whether or not this would make sense in the moment and if the infrastructure can be built out in the way that I see it being necessary to actually be able to win, as well as we are continuing to look at the polling on the other side.
Listen, they are in a civil war right now on the Republican side as it relates to who will become their nominee.
You know, John Cornyn has served the state of Texas for decades at this point in time in some capacity.
And right now, you know, I don't know if he's MAGA enough to make it through his primary, but we are evaluating all things and seeing what it would look like to put together a team.
And we will make a final decision by Thanksgiving on whether or not we're going to ultimately move forward.
What did the polling information that you got back show?
And is it a calculation of whether or not you're going to be facing Cornyn, who might have more appeal to moderates in your state, centrists in your state, as opposed to a more MAGA candidate who potentially defeats Cornyn in the primary that you might or any Democrat might have a better chance against?
I'll tell you this, that head to head, we are doing really well against Paxton.
I will say that.
I will also tell you that we are actually within the margin of error as it relates to John Cornyn.
Oh, I don't believe that.
So to be perfectly honest.
For just a second, is that margin of error like 30?
Is it 30 points plus or minus?
That's got to be a massive margin of error and a very unreliable poll if she's within the margin of error.
Anyway, let her finish here.
As it relates to John Cornyn.
So to be perfectly honest, the only reason that I'm continuing to consider whether or not I do this is because my polling says I can win.
That is the bottom line.
At the end of the day, a poll is a poll.
And so you need to actually be able to execute on that.
So whether it's Cornyn or whether it's Paxton, we feel confident that we can get this done.
Do you?
The thing is, we obviously would prefer to have Paxton.
Yeah, okay.
Is there one poll that says she's within two points of Paxton?
And what's the closest she is to Cornyn 6?
Six.
There is one poll that, yeah, that is true.
Yeah, there's one poll that has her down, two to Paxton.
There's not a lot of polling on this race yet.
Well, it's not till next year.
Right.
And six to Cornyn, which is also relatively close.
I mean, I think the Beto Cruz race was, what, three or four points, I think, if I remember right.
And that was considered to be very close at the time.
So it is, if you find the right environment, Pat, if you're a Democrat and you're thinking, okay, what's the right environment to actually pull this off?
You need a big Democratic year, which it is not crazy to say we are about to face in 2026.
It's not insane.
I would not say it's guaranteed.
You know, the left really just wants to kind of lock this in.
I would not say that's where we are.
But typically, historically, this is what happens in the off-year election when you're talking about a president in power.
Usually he loses the House or the Senate, or at least does damage to his control of it during that period.
That's normal.
It's what we should all expect going in.
That should be the baseline is that the Republicans are going to lose, particularly the House, but maybe even the Senate.
That's the baseline.
Then you look at, well, how are things going?
Well, you know, it's not great at the moment, right?
Like there's a lot of questions about the economy.
There's some things that have gone really well.
I think a lot of things that are happy moments for the base of Trump, but not necessarily happy moments for, like, you know, the border is one of them.
Like, you know, the border tactics are very popular among the base.
And his immigration policies when it comes to the border are relatively popular.
When it comes to, you know, taking people that are inside the country and removing them, like it doesn't do as well poll-wise.
How does that, what does that mean going into 2026?
We don't know.
But it's at very least some nervous moments, I think, for Republicans.
And if you get a really Democratic wave-type moment and combining that with a state in Texas, which is red, but not, I don't know, Utah red, you know, not Idaho red, maybe you have a chance.
Now, all that being said, and I'll also throw this out there.
We like Ken Paxton.
He's been on the show a few times.
Yeah, he's not like the most popular guy, I would say, in the state.
You know, he's won statewide elections and probably will do so again if he is to win the Senate primary, but it's not without question.
John Cornyn, I could Cornyn sucks.
Yes.
Touch his face.
That's what I was leading to.
Yeah.
Cornyn sucks.
I would really like Cornyn to be replaced.
I don't know.
Corny is the seat.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I would love a better Republican.
And Paxton would do a better job in the Senate, I think, than Cornyn does.
Cornyn's big thing right now, though, is, you know, Jasmine Crockett brought up, is he MAGA enough?
He watches commercials.
He's more than MAGA.
At least that's what he's saying.
If you talk to him.
Yes.
He's voted with Donald Trump 99% of the time.
The man has shut down the border and pulled Trump along with him, I guess.
If you're to watch the commercials, he is down on his ATV on the border.
All the time.
Searching the wilderness for illegals.
He's like OJ looking for the real killer.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what he's doing.
Yeah, yeah.
All the time.
So, I mean, he's really trying to align himself with President Trump right now, desperately trying to do that.
And I don't know.
Maybe it's working because he's closed the gap a lot.
Has Trump endorsed him?
A lot.
No.
And he has not endorsed him the race at all.
A lot.
You know, Trump does sometimes endorse the kind of establishment person they've worked with a lot.
He's worked with a lot sometimes in these races.
He's not done that here.
And Paxton's, I mean, Paxton quite obviously is more MAGA, whatever that means.
He's definitely been more on board with Donald Trump over the years.
And, you know, his issues are not necessarily policy issues.
You know, he's had some personal stuff that's been bumpy here in the state.
So that's the kind of the big question here.
But what I'm leading to more than anything else is that there is a formula in theory which the Democrats could win the state of Texas when it comes to a Senate seat.
Jasmine Crockett is not part of that formula.
No, she's not.
She might win her primary, but she is not ideal to try to win a statewide race.
That's why it'd be great if she's the nominee.
It'd be awesome.
Yes.
Can I address one more thing on the spot?
Yeah.
Because every time I talk about this, I get this in the comments or whatever.
People say, be careful what you're asking for.
Do you really trust voters this much?
If she becomes the nominee, are you worried that she might win?
No, I'm not.
You might not be.
I'm not.
I am conflicted over it because I do think.
You think it's possible?
It would be very difficult.
I would not bet on her winning the state of Texas, but I am nervous about voters making dumb decisions.
So, and I will say, like, if you go back, let's say 2015-ish, you'll find a lot of people on the Democratic side sounding like I do about Jasmine Crockett.
I'm just like, yeah, sure, but give Donald Trump the nomination.
Was Donald Trump going to win?
Sometimes they do.
So I do, I will hedge myself saying I am conflicted over this, but I do love her.
So I will eat my underwear if she wins the election.
Can we write that down?
I'll eat my underwear because it's not going to happen.
It is not going to happen.
Jasmine Crockett cannot win a Senate election, a statewide race for Senate in this state.
No, not at this point.
Maybe in 2038, 2040, maybe then, but not in 2012.
Which Jasmine Crockett are you talking about?
Are you talking about the one that speaks as if she's an accountant or the other one, which speaks as if she's, you know, I don't know, a talk show host?
Yeah, either Jasmine Crockett can't win in this state.
Can't win in the state.
I don't think, I just do not believe that she could win in the state.
But, you know, again, when you have candidates that have certain issues that are, you know, difficult to deal with, you know, I like, do I think Cornyn would probably win again?
Yeah, but like, you know, it would be better.
This is the actual approach that Republicans should be taking across the country, which is to take senators that are conservative in conservative states and find senators that are better to win the primary.
Yes.
And then go on and have a more conservative Senate.
That's an easier path to a conservative Senate than trying to nominate some big MAGA person in Maine.
You know what I mean?
Like you're probably not going to win in Maine with that with that profile.
That being said, you have to be careful to not lose the seat.
I don't think, like, I think Paxton will win, but it will be closer.
It'll probably bumpy.
And there'll be moments where it doesn't look so great.
But against Crockett, I can't imagine it.
I can't imagine it.
And I'm going to still end to that.
If you think I'm in a dream world, I will continue to live in that dream world.
It's a great place to be.
There's a third guy, too, who seems pretty good in this race.
And I think he polls not great, but okay.
I think he's in the 20s or something, whereas Cornyn and Paxton are in the 30s.
But his name is Wesley Hunt.
And he seems to be pretty conservative.
And, you know, that would be nice.
It would be nice to have a really solid conservative.
And I mean, it's Texas.
We shouldn't have to put up with John Cornyn.
He's just been there too long.
The guy started out to be a real conservative in 2001, but he's not anymore.
2001.
Don't need.
Yeah.
What year is this?
I just don't even know.
Why would you even want to continue with something like this?
If you're in the internet.
I think they fall in love with the power.
Yep.
And then there's no getting rid of them when that happens.
Even when they say, you know what, I'm going to serve one term.
I'm going to serve two terms.
And then they get there and they get intoxicated with it and they never leave.
I wonder if it's even a good life.
Like, I remember following candidates around Iowa and thinking to myself, good God, I would never want to.
Remember that?
Yeah, it was terrible.
We were with Ted Cruz for a while.
Yeah, brutal schedule.
That whole time I was thinking, not in a million years.
Yeah, I want to get I wanted to go badly.
Yeah.
And I, you know, as I mentioned in watching House of Cards, which is a fictional television show, I should point out.
I shouldn't take too much from this, but like you do realize that there's a lot going on there that you probably would be great.
You know, you're probably if you're a certain type of person.
Some of it's attractive, I suppose.
I wouldn't want to do it.
I mean, the campaigning alone is too brutal.
It's just, is it worth it?
I guess if you really want to serve your country.
Or you're really power hungry, then it would be worth it.
It seems to be one of the two.
Yeah.
Often.
Not all the time, but there's some great people in the Senate and the great people in the House that do really good work.
Again, you know, Cornyn is not the worst thing that can happen to us.
I don't overstate it.
No, Jasmine Crockett's the worst thing that could happen.
Much better.
I'd rather have Cornyn than Crockett.
However, there's no reason we couldn't improve on Cornyn.
Maybe Wesley Hunt's the guy.
Maybe there should be somebody.
Yeah.
Could be Paxton.
I mean, if Paxton gets in there, he will be better than there's no doubt he'll be better than Cornyn.
The question is, you know, it's a difficult process at times.
Yeah.
So that'll be interesting.
It's going to be an interesting.
That's going to be a big one to watch in 2026.
For sure.
Like the attention of the country will come to Texas at some point in this process.
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Important question for you, Pat.
Yes.
They were right before Thanksgiving.
Okay.
Right around the corner this week.
Yeah, Thursday.
Big part of my Thanksgiving I love is the Kexie cookies.
Is it?
It is.
Is that a tradition?
I have.
I have made platters multiple times.
Awesome.
And I bring them to the big Thanksgiving gathering because I love the cookies.
And I cut them into fourths because no human being can consume one.
Actually, even though I say that as a person who's consumed many.
But you usually come on here like around, let's say, mid-December, and you're like, hey, we've got this Christmas box of cookies.
Yeah, we do have a Christmas box.
That's great.
You got that going on.
And you'll usually come in here and say, hey, we got this great cookie.
And you'll bring in one of the cookie boxes.
And we'll, oh, these are incredible flavors.
Thank you so much.
How do I get them?
Can people own them now?
And you'll say sold out.
Yeah.
I'm not saying that yet.
You're not saying that.
Are not yet sold out for Christmas.
Yes.
If you want the Christmas box, you can pre-order it right now, which I highly recommend because when it's time to actually order it, I think they'll probably be gone.
So you might want to pre-order it at kexi.com.
Do you get any preview of flavors?
Sorry, K-E-K-Si.
Yeah.com.
Yeah, we do have the Christmas flavors.
I'd have to look them up really quick, but you don't know them.
I don't know them right off the top of my head.
If you don't know this, you know, because I'm not there in the kitchen every day.
Really?
Like my wife and my son and my daughter-in-law, who run that business.
But yeah, you can get them and they are available.
Wow, what a great sell.
We do have a huge sale coming up on Black Friday, which is this Friday.
Oh, wow.
Very cool.
Biggest sale of the whole year.
So it's a really good time to order.
So basically, what you're saying is you don't know what cookies you can buy, and you should definitely not order them now because there's a bigger sale coming on Friday.
No, I'm saying you should pre-order them right now.
Oh, okay.
And go ahead and stock up for Thanksgiving, too, which would be really good.
Let's see.
All right.
Yes, we've got a pop-up there that's gotten in my way, but these are really good.
We've got, I don't know what the Christmas cookie is, but it's delicious.
My gosh, like, I mean, it's almost surprising it's not as big as Chips Ahoy by now.
Are you fully at the Nabisco levels with your salesmanship?
I can't even understand it.
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Do you see that President Trump is actually taking another shot at bringing peace to the Ukraine situation?
And the European Union threw some extras in for Russia to make it more palatable to them, including being included in G8 again.
So the G7 would become the G8 again with Russia joining.
So we'll see if this one works out.
I don't know.
Interesting.
We should maybe go over this in more detail tomorrow.
Yeah, we'll do that tomorrow.
Some big questions for Ukraine of whether they can tolerate all the things they'd have to give up here.
Yeah.
But, gosh, I would love to see that thing be over.