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Why do I have to?
I'm sorry.
Hang on just a second.
Who the hell is Fred?
Glenn?
Hello.
Hi, how are you doing?
It's Fred from Cosstrap.
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I'm so glad you had me out again.
No, I. I'm the head of the Republican or Outreach for the DNC, and I am really excited to tell you about some of our fabulous candidates.
We've got so many of them, and your audience is just going to love them.
Okay, I don't, I don't, I don't think so.
Fred, you were on last week or earlier this week, and you were pitching, who was it?
Elizabeth Warren.
We're talking about Elizabeth Warren.
She's fantastic.
I can understand how we've had some negative feedback from our recommendation of Elizabeth Warren from your audience.
And I am totally with them.
I'm a lifelong Republican myself.
Just switched.
You loved her.
Well, yeah, but there were some interesting points that your audience brought up.
And I'm not here to talk about Elizabeth today.
We had a little bit of a backlash from last time, but I want to tell you about someone you're really going to love.
Oh, my goodness.
You are going to love this candidate today.
Who is it?
His name is Robert Francis O'Rourke.
Now, this guy, first of all, a Texan, a heart.
You want to say Texan.
You look at this guy and you just say, wow, I mean, how big is that belt buckle?
That's the first thing you think of.
No.
When you think of Robert Francis O'Rourke.
No, first of all, you're the first Democrat I've ever heard call him anything but Betto.
And he's definitely not a Texan.
I mean, he doesn't have any of the traits of Texas.
I don't understand why people think this.
He's a real misconception this one, Glenn.
And I'm glad you brought it up so we could talk about it because your audience is really going to love this guy.
Okay, first of all, it's not Betto.
His name is not Betto.
His name's Bob.
You call him Robert if you want to be horrible about it.
You call him Bob.
But he's got all the things Republicans want in a candidate.
Number one, he's white.
And I know that's a huge thing your audience demands as a candidate.
You must have someone who's white.
No, we don't.
That's not true.
It's absolutely, I know what you're saying.
And wink, wink, I'm with you on this one.
So he lost to Ted Cruz.
Here's the thing.
Ted Cruz.
I mean, you know, Cruz.
You know what I'm saying?
You could tell what he is, right?
Your audience is going to love this type of analysis, I know.
That's why I'm giving it to you.
Okay, so secondly, first of all, he's white.
So I know your audience will love him.
Number two, he's a man.
None of these emotions and periods and all this other stuff that's going on with these women.
Am I right?
Okay, so that's number two.
Number three, he's rich.
It's not one of these poor people.
He's not one of these people who middle class.
I want someone who's really super rich.
And number four, your audience is going to really appreciate this one.
He did absolutely nothing for his money.
He's inherited it.
He's getting it from his wife or whatever.
This is a guy who really is going to connect with your audience.
Have you heard his music yet?
He's a musician, a wonderful musician.
Music is horrible.
The whitest music you can possibly imagine.
Betto?
I mean, come on.
This guy, he is about to.
Is this part of the reintroduction of Bob Francis?
There was a directive that went out for me to give you a call today.
This guy, I mean, his music basically makes Barry Meadow look like Jimi Hendrix.
That's basically where his music lines up.
And here's the big thing, Mr. Back, and I'm a huge fan, a lifelong Republican.
Been listening to you for years since you came on the air in 2013.
And I am a huge supporter of yours.
But the problem with Betto is people think he's Hispanic because people are calling him Betto.
Here's the backstory.
I've not told anyone this, but I'm going to tell you because I'm a lifelong fan.
Right.
Since, what was it, 2016?
No, 2000.
Betto's nickname came not from his El Paso upbringing.
The nickname came from a country club servant.
And this country club servant could not say Robert because he was one of these people from wherever those regions are down there below that border fence that we need, right?
And I'm with you, by the way.
We really need that.
But when he was called Betto, Bob Franco Rourke immediately had the worker fired.
He had him deported.
He had his family dog executed.
These are the sorts of things that Betto will do for this country.
I mean, Robert will do for this country.
Well, why did he go with Betto for so long?
Oh, well, that was just a media.
I mean, fake news.
Am I right?
Am I right?
And he's going to be sporting not the Green New Deal, but the white New Deal.
So I know you're hood-wearing Neanderthals and your audience are absolutely going to love him.
Thanks so much for having me on.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Wonderful.
Can we make sure he's not on again, please?
How you doing, Stu?
Good.
I think he offers some good insight, actually.
Pardon me?
It's interesting to hear the perspective of the Democrats and how they're communicating that to the public.
Well, it was good to hear the reintroduction of Bob Francis.
And I think it's going well.
Yeah.
You know, I think it is.
People are really, really getting excited about Betto.
Have you ever seen a campaign crash and burn like this?
I mean, he came in as the number two guy when he announced.
And it's gone from, he was at 14, 15% in some of these polls, and now he's down to two and three and one.
Yeah.
There's nothing there.
You know, they tried to make him into the RFK.
RFK had real substance.
Yeah.
I mean, I would vote for RFK today.
Would you?
I mean, I don't think so.
I mean, policy-wise, I'd have lots of problems with him.
But still, really?
If you were a Democrat.
Like his race policy, I know you, Stu.
Fred.
No, I mean, it's, you know, I'd have to go back and really study the policy proposals.
I would have to go back and study him too.
But you'd have to say he's more conservative than 99% or 100% of the Democrats running today.
JFK was more conservative than any of them.
You heard Ami Horowitz saying this yesterday, another person running for president for the Democrats who said, basically, I'm more like JFK.
And does he even, will they even allow a JFK-type candidate even on the stage?
No.
Even if he gets 65,000 donations, they're going to try to find a way to block him anyway.
I think that's going to be a real problem for them.
I think, I mean, they wanted to be the most transparent, the most open, the most diverse.
And if they block him and they start pulling shenanigans, I think they're in real trouble.
Now, what does that mean?
The press is going to back them up, but I think they could have some real legal trouble.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's probably true.
There's at least that that could be a long road for them.
Yeah.
But you look at this field and we have all 23, I think there's 23 candidates now in the race.
If you don't include Amy, which we should, he should be on the board.
I mean, you know, people around here just don't respect him like we do.
But Ambi would be great in the debate.
But if you count 23 of them, you look at them, there are some that are running as moderates.
They're saying like, look, we don't want the Grand New Deal.
And this is a big thing going on with Joe Biden right now in that he's in basically an overt fight with Alexandria Casio-Cortez about.
They hate AOC hates the old guard and the old guard hates her.
Yeah.
And she, of course, loves that.
And it's the reason why she's getting lots of money and living in nice apartments and getting all this attention.
But they're talking about her as this kingmaker in the Democratic campaign.
And it's, you know, and she's in this fight with Biden about the Green New Deal.
And she's like, well, we don't have any, there's no time to compromise on our lives.
It's like that sort of nonsensical talk.
And like everyone's like, oh, well, what is Alexandria Casio-Cortez going to do next?
Well, who cares?
Joe Biden's beaten everybody by 30 points.
So here she is.
Let's play the audio of Joe Biden responding to AOC.
Do we have that?
You never heard me say the middle of the road.
I've never been in the middle of the road on the environment.
And I tell her to check, you know, the statements that I made and look at my record.
She'll find that nobody has been more consistent about taking on the environment and a green revolution than I have.
And so, look, it's a long campaign, and everybody should just come, they should calm down a little bit.
I mean, when you could make Joe Biden sound rational, you have pulled a serious magic trick.
I think that's good for him.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, with the Democrats, I think Democrats, I mean, the numbers are showing it.
The Democrats that are voters in the middle of the country do not want anything to do with the socialists.
It does seem that way.
And you see that, you know, there's a lot of candidates who are now switching.
You know, when this first all started, everybody was on board with the Green New Deal, right?
You had to be to even get into the campaign.
Lately, though, there's been pushback on that.
You know, I mean, Biden is the highest profile one, but there's several candidates in this field now that are saying those types of things.
Even Butijej is kind of going down that road of trying to position himself as a little bit more of a moderate opposite.
I got to tell you, I don't think it'll work if you've already come out and said these things.
Maybe it will.
Yeah, I mean, I think people are.
Look, the bottom line is: if they're going to want a moderate, it's going to be hard to beat Biden, right?
If they want to go down that road, if you think of it as two wings, right?
There's two wings of this primary, the sort of socialist wing and the, I mean, moderate wing is ridiculous to say when you're talking about Joe Biden.
He's right.
He's not a moderate at all.
He was the most progressive senator in the Senate when he was running for president in 2008.
Or he was one or two.
I can't remember if Obama or him wasn't one or two.
Bottom line, though, here is he's not a moderate, but for the purposes of this illustration, you think of them as the moderate candidates.
Well, you have Biden up there.
Going for the socialist side of it, you've got Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren and Gillibrand and O'Rourke and Booker.
Did I say Booker?
Booker and I mean Castro and somewhat Gabbard and Inslee.
And I mean, you could go down this list and find, you know, 17 of the 23 that are going for the socialist side of this.
You got to think that only one of those is really going to be able to move through this primary.
And on the other side with Biden, I guess, you know, probably Klobuchar is in more in the moderate camp.
You have, and then the other, everyone else is hiccup and loopers and stuff like that, you know, bullocks.
So, I mean, you get those, really, it's Biden's to blow.
And Joe Biden is good at blowing, you know, presidential races.
He's done it several times.
He could easily blow this.
So let me go back to AOC.
You know who Charlie Munger is?
Yeah, he's Warren Buffett's number two, right?
Yeah.
Okay, so he was doing an interview on Yahoo Finance.
The interviewer hated Donald Trump and was trying to bait him and everything else.
But I want you to listen to a couple of questions.
First, the debt.
The interviewer says, some people say that there's no problem with debt.
Listen.
Well, some people now say that federal debt is not a problem at all.
Well, if you believe that, you believe in the tooth fairy.
Because then we don't have to have any more taxes ever.
We'll just print money and live happily ever after.
It obviously won't work.
The people that are screaming about it are idiots.
It's going to go away by itself.
Okay, so this is something that AOC is advocating, the new monetary policies.
Yeah, modern monetary theory.
Yeah, modern monetary theory.
Thank you.
And it is, it really is, you don't have to borrow money.
You just print money and you borrow it against the future.
Because if you print money, you're going to spend that to create jobs.
And then it'll pay for itself when those jobs start bringing in tax dollars.
It's fantasy land.
It's Keynesian in a way, but in like a, I just had 15 Red Bulls sort of way.
Like it is really 25 Jack Daniels.
Yeah, you got to be a little.
So you're wide awake, but you're like, not just really hyper.
But I see things really, really clearly right now.
I could be up for days.
I got so many ideas.
And I got this new modern theory of money.
And we can spend it, And print, That's what this is.
That's a great point, too.
Why bother taxing the rich or anybody else?
If we could just print it, why just turn the tax thing off completely?
Because we've always known that it doesn't work.
Now here he is on Elizabeth Warren and AOC.
Listen to this.
They're kind of likable.
I particularly kind of like Elizabeth Warren.
She's got a manner that appeals to me.
Really?
But I don't agree with her attitude.
I don't think she's studied Adam Smith enough.
And what about AOC?
Do you have any take on her?
I don't think she knows who Adam Smith was.
That's pretty solid.
Oh, man.
And there's, you know, it's funny.
There were reports initially that early at her years at, was it Boston University?
That she loved Adam Smith.
Yeah, that she was actually a conservative.
And by the way, Elizabeth Warren was a Republican for a good chunk of her life.
People don't remember that either.
No, she was also running a casino.
Well, yeah, she's a Native American.
She's a deeply with her Native American words.
That's a good point.
What are you going to say about that?
All right.
Back in just one minute.
I want to tell you about this new cruise that we have put together.
It is a cruise through history.
This thing is going to sell out quickly.
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We've only been talking about it for like three days.
And this is a cruise of the Mediterranean.
We start, I think, in Venice and Croatia.
We go to where King's Landing, if you watch Game of Thrones, the one that was in this episode.
Oh, the one behind the castle gates or the city gates.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
That's Croatia.
That's where we'll be going.
Oh, it's going to be amazing.
Oh, it's amazing.
And then we got- Any dragons there when we go?
No.
No, hopefully not.
And then we go to Athens, then to Jerusalem or to Israel.
Bill O'Reilly is going to be on this cruise.
Stu's going to be on this cruise.
David Barton is going to be on this cruise.
I've asked Rabbi Lapin to join us.
And the reason why I put this team together is they're all about history.
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And so I thought this would be a great thing where if you wanted to, you don't have to listen to any of this, but they've got a big theater in the ship.
And we'll do a few history lessons about the Enlightenment and the Renaissance.
So you see the free market and what happens when man is allowed to think and to dream, then the Republic with Athens and our faith and the roots of our faith as we go to Jerusalem.
So I thought it would be a really great way to just have a great time, eat a lot of Italian food on this cruise.
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You know, I want to go to Rashida Tlaib blaming racist idiots for criticizing her Holocaust remarks.
She was on with Seth, with Seth Myers.
Listen to this.
Some have criticized the use of a calming feeling.
You have said it was taken out of context.
I want to give you a chance to provide some context.
Yeah, and it's, you know, so for folks that don't know, I mean, my grandmother, my living grandmother, my mom's mom, lives in the West Bank and occupied territories of Palestine.
And what's incredibly, you know, the tragedy of the Holocaust, I mean, the reason why Israel was created is to create a safe haven for Jews around the world.
And there is something, like, in many ways, beautiful about that.
My ancestors, many had died or had to give up their livelihood, their human dignity to provide a safe haven for Jews in our world.
And that is something I wanted to recognize and kind of honor in some sort of way.
But I also think it's important because I want Palestinian people also to find some sort of, you know, light in this kind of what's happening.
But also, you know, in the end, I said, I want all of us to feel safe.
All of us deserve human dignity.
No matter our backgrounds, no matter our ethnicity, no matter even our political opinions, we all deserve that kind of equality and justice.
And, you know, for me, I wanted to uplift that and bring that to light.
And it was unfortunate.
You know, I got a text message from a friend who's like, hey, next time, you know, really clarify, maybe talk like a fourth grader because maybe the racist idiots would understand you better.
So it's just, you know, it's everyone else's fault again.
You know, what's truly amazing about this is she says she wants people to feel safe and she wants some justice out of this.
Well, when you lose two wars and both times, the Jews said, hey, Arabs, do not go away.
We'll protect you.
We're in this together.
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Welcome to the program.
So glad that you have joined us.
It is Wednesday today, right?
It is Wednesday.
Yes, I'm leaving on vacation tomorrow after the show.
We've got a really special show lined up for you tomorrow, some really great interviews.
By the way, we have great interviews today.
Gad Sad is joining us live in just a little while.
On anti-Semitism, which is going to be really interesting.
And he's really interesting.
Yeah, he's really interesting.
He has an incredible story.
He is the godfather of the intellectual dark web.
Before there was an intellectual dark web, there was Gad Sad.
In fact, Gad is the guy that Peterson called.
Jordan Peterson?
Yeah, Jordan Peterson called and said, how do I do this?
What do I, I mean, I got to stand up.
How do I do it?
Gad's the guy who guided him through all of it.
This was after I took the initiative and created the internet.
Is that what you're speaking of, it's really not, but thank you, Al Gore and Pat Gray for joining us here.
We were just talking about AOC and also Rashida Tlaib and the nonsense that they are spewing, the history changing that they're doing.
Yeah.
The spin on it, that her grandmother who lived in the West Bank gave up her homeland to somehow protect the Jews from the Holocaust.
What a lie that is.
The Jews went around with a truck and loudspeakers and told the Palestinians, stay in your home.
We'll protect you.
We will protect you.
Do not join the Arab world.
Now, when the war broke out, because when the partition happened in 1947, the UN granted Israel their state and they granted the Palestinians their state.
People forget that or they don't know that part of history because it's never talked about.
And the Jews gave the state back.
Yeah.
They gave the first war, they gave it back.
And in 1948, when all the Arab nations got together with the Palestinians and attacked Israel, then when the war started, some you know, some of the Jewish commanders were like, okay, get them all out of here.
And then others were like, no, we will protect you.
Even then, some of them were telling him, stay if you want.
Stay.
We protect you.
And here's the amazing thing is when she says, you know, a lot of Palestinians died to give their homeland.
No, they died because they were on the wrong side against Israel.
And the Palestinian leadership was actually in league with Hitler during the Holocaust.
You know, it's madness to try to spin that.
Other than that, she's exactly right.
I just gave a speech last night, and I didn't realize that in the room that I gave the speech there was a Holocaust survivor.
And I was talking about how the Palestinians, the grand Mufti, actually had gone over a meet with Hitler and had come back with blueprints of Auschwitz.
He wanted to build Auschwitz all over the Middle East to liquidate all of the Jews in the Middle East.
And I started talking about how you've got to stand up when it's easy.
Because this is not the time to stand up is when it's easy.
Right now, it gets hard.
You're not going to stand up.
If you're not standing up now, you're not going to stand up and suddenly become righteous.
You're just not going to.
And this survivor, this Holocaust survivor, was in the crowd.
People kept looking at her as I was speaking.
And she kept shaking her head like, yep, that's how it happened.
That's how it happened.
Wow.
I mean, it was really we're there.
We are now.
I mean, did you see the thing with Bernie Sanders, new campaign manager?
I don't think so.
Listen to this.
You want to know who's controlling the DNC.
Remember, the DNC.
Well, it's AOC, right?
Alexandra Kazikov.
Of course, she's controlling the DOC.
Well, she is.
Remember, who did they want to have as the head of the DNC?
And their donors pushed back so much.
Think Minnesota.
Is it Ellison?
Keith Ellison.
Yeah, he was.
Keith Ellison was going to be the guy.
Only because of that Me Too movement did that not happen, really, right?
Because he wasn't that around the time when he was accused of.
Yes, but it was also because some of the big Jewish donors were like, ah, hello.
So that's who is, you know, I think he's the number two guy in the DNC.
Now, Faiz Shakir is the new campaign manager for Bernie Sanders.
He was the vice president for communications of the Center for American Progress.
He was the liaison of the Center of American Progress for Barack Obama.
Now remember, think how radical they are.
He then left to even a more radical group.
He was the founder and editor-in-chief of Think Progress.
Then he became the senior advisor to Harry Reid and the senior advisor to Nancy Pelosi, then the national political director of the ACLU.
Now, here's his background.
He's a Muslim.
And he was the member of the Harvard Islamic Society, affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Students Association in the United States and Canada.
While he was at Harvard, he co-chaired the fundraisers for the Holy Land Foundation.
Does that sound familiar to anybody?
Yeah.
Unindicted co-conspirator.
I think the Holy Land were the, they were the, that was the indicted.
They were indicted.
Oh, yeah, they were.
Holy Land were.
It was CARE that was the unindicted co-conspirator.
He co-authored Fear Inc., which claims that Islamophobia is the product of a Jewish conspiracy.
He has written positively about the Tunisian Muslim Brotherhood Islamist named Rashid Gonachi, I think his name is, who's one of his quotes is, there are no civilians in Israel.
The population, male, female, and children, the population of Israel, they are the Army Reserve soldiers and thus can be killed.
That's who's running Bernie Sanders campaign.
Socialists and Islamists are working together for the destruction of the free market in the Western world and Israel.
Exactly what I laid out on the last chalkboard I did at Fox for the last year.
That you were mocked for.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's, I mean, that's who we're dealing with.
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And then you look at the abortion stuff that's going on and how extreme they're becoming on abortion.
I'm really happy to see some of the pushback from some of these states.
I don't think it's going to go anywhere.
May go to the Supreme Court, but I don't count the Supreme Court.
Well, that's what's what Alabama is trying to force.
They know that their new law, which essentially is almost a total ban on abortion at any stage.
So you can't get an abortion for any reason other than the mother's life in danger.
Right.
And that passed 25 to 6 in the Alabama Senate.
So the pro-life governor, her signature is all that stands between Alabama and this new abortion ban.
So they know that it's going to be challenged.
They know that it's conflicting with Roe v. Wade.
So then it would go to the U.S. Supreme Court, which they're trying to, they're trying to get that, let's do that.
Let's have that battle now.
It's gotten so extreme when you're talking about allowing babies born alive to die or killing them after they've been born alive.
Something has to happen.
And I think that's going to pull life people into gear.
I would hope that because the left, while I know what you just said is true, the left continues to deny that that's what it is.
So I say we leave the baby in the womb in our arguments because it's so easy for them to discredit and say, nobody wants that.
That was just the governor of Virginia.
Leave the baby in the womb five minutes before birth where they can still kill them.
That's a baby.
In five minutes, it's out.
And it's fully viable.
It's fully grown.
That's a baby.
You're still cool with killing it five minutes before its birth.
Well, you're saying it's alive.
It's what you call a life.
Right?
It's like, right.
It's like this heartbeat bill.
You can't say its name yet.
Yeah, no.
Well, a lot of people do.
I mean, we definitely had a name for our baby.
Yeah, but the baby couldn't say it.
That baby couldn't say it.
That's right.
Until that baby could speak, we could kill it.
Right.
I just love how you guys are calling this a heartbeat bill.
And it's like, you know, what you guys call a heartbeat.
Could be a drum.
Yeah, you don't know.
You don't know.
It could be EDM music.
A metronome.
Maybe you're giving birth to a metronome.
We don't know.
Let me tell you something.
And I mean this sincerely.
You don't know because the media just the pro-life media just hides this.
You don't.
Where do you think the Blue Man group comes from?
They're birthed as a group by women all the time.
So when you have that heartbeat, no.
Those guys aren't human.
They're in there as a troop.
Just a drumbeat.
Just drumming.
And this sounds funny, right?
To say that you wouldn't call it a heartbeat, right?
Let me read this to you from the Washington Post today on their coverage of the heartbeat bill.
16 states have passed or are working to pass bans on abortion after a doctor can detect what they call, quote, a fetal heartbeat in the womb, end quote.
Oh my God.
What they call?
How can you speed up any health?
Would it be a metronome?
What are you thinking that thing is?
They legit in the article, what they call a fetal heartbeat in the womb.
Wow.
This is like they are in straight out scientific denial here.
When they put an ultrasound on a woman and you do not hear that sound, they declare the baby dead.
So what else could it possibly be?
How can something die that isn't alive?
That I'm a little confused on as well.
You know what's interesting, though, is that Alabama is trying to force this issue to go to the Supreme Court.
I'm not sure that's even a good idea right now because I'm really convinced the Supreme Court doesn't overturn John Roberts, not Roberts and Kavanaugh both.
I don't have any confidence they would do that.
Kavanaugh, at least there's a chance because it's early.
There's a chance.
There was no freaking way.
John Roberts, who was so treated Obamacare with such reverence that he didn't want to overturn it before it had even been implemented.
When it was clearly unconstitutional.
He's going to overturn a 40-some-odd year president?
There's no, there's no way he's going to do that.
Here's the problem.
We have turned the Supreme Court into a legislative body.
And that's not what it's for.
No.
We didn't hire these people.
We didn't vote for these people.
They are not supposed to be a legislative body either direction.
They're not supposed to be voting with the conservatives because that's the way the conservatives want it.
They're supposed to be ruling on the Constitution.
And it's supposed to be emotionless.
It is supposed to be based in law, not horse trading.
It's not even supposed to be based in precedent.
No.
Which they use all the time.
Right.
That was a progressive thing.
You don't do it on precedence.
It is a fever dream of the left that they're going to overturn Roe versus Wade with the Supreme Court.
I hate to disappoint people, but I mean, Kavanaugh, I don't think is.
But I will tell you this.
I like the fact that people and states are taking a stand.
I love that.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I mean, it has to happen.
You have to exercise that muscle of courage because times, great and terrible times are coming.
They are.
We are living in biblical times.
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There is a story that we brought you yesterday that I just don't even begin to understand happening here in the state of Texas, Texas of all places.
We all know that if a bartender serves somebody who is drunk and then they get into a drunk driving thing, that they're in trouble, right?
We know that.
And that law was done so servers are not, you know, pushing drinks on people and then pouring them into their car.
That law was not meant for Lindsay Glass, somebody who served four drinks over four hours and then thought this person was drunk and so left her job to go try to find him because he wouldn't stay and then tracked him to his house and called 911.
It ends up that he kills the members of his family.
She is now going to trial.
She may go to jail for this.
I don't understand it.
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I have got to speak my mind on this, as Stu did yesterday.
This is grave injustice as I see this.
We wanted to get Lindsey Glass's attorney, Scott Palmer, on to see if he could explain what the heck is happening with Lindsey Glass and why she's possibly going to go to jail for a year for something that even the police say you saved lives.
Welcome to the program, Scott Palmer.
Thank you.
Nice to be on.
Thank you.
So can you tell me the story?
What are we missing in this story?
Why are they pursuing this?
I have no idea.
Some cases should be prosecuted and some are just plain, should never be.
The idea that this case should be the legacy of this horrible tragedy.
This is what we're talking about now.
Rather than the mental health and the domestic abuse and the fact that this was a premeditated, heinous crime that was going to happen regardless of where this man was drinking or not drinking.
It just is an insult to the actual memories of these seven people that were killed.
A couple things that I wanted to make sure that we were clear on.
She did not know he was drunk.
She served him alcohol, as you said, over a four-hour period of time.
But the idea that she understood he was intoxicated is that's the fact question.
That's the big issue.
That's something we're going to fight.
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She did understand and appreciate he was acting strangely.
Right.
And she knew him in some way or another.
He was a regular there.
But she served two hard liquor drinks and two beers over a four-hour period.
I mean, your body, your body will spend a drink an hour is where your body works through.
Your body will work through that.
How is she even responsible at all?
Well, she's not.
And that's why, I mean, the law is, and I heard your intro in the dram shop area where you overserve somebody and they get in a wreck, an accident.
Okay.
And there's liability under the civil law.
And the bar was sued by the lawyers that represented the families.
And I do those types of cases as well.
And I got to be honest with you.
If they came to me with the theory that the bar is responsible for the death of these people when you've got a massive proximate cause issue, big, I mean, you've got an intentional act that was planned, premeditated for probably weeks.
He had an armory in his apartment of thousands and thousands of rounds and guns.
And he had been plotting this apparently for a while.
But to put liability on the bar or the bartender for what he did is just, I can see why you're angry and why you're doing the story and this, why the world has been attracted to the story.
It doesn't make any sense to prosecute her.
There's no justice here.
There's no justice being done on this.
No, I completely agree with you.
Is it all true that she left the bar?
First, she tried to stop him, right?
Before leaving.
Before he left, she tried to stop him.
Well, they had a conversation.
They went outside and she's like, what's going on?
You're not acting, you're acting strange.
He was very veiled in what he was saying.
And she was asking him, is this about Meredith, which is his ex-soon-to-be ex-wife?
And he's, no, it has nothing to do with her.
And so he lied, and apparently he's a master manipulator, according to his ex-mother-in-law.
And he's a very adept drunk, which means he's able to mask his intoxication and fool people into serving him, which is exactly what happened here.
So she just got a bad vibe from him, and he ends up believing, and she just did not feel right.
So she allegedly leaves the bar.
Who leaves their work?
Nobody.
Honestly, Scott, I think Lindsay is a hero.
I really do.
She did something extraordinary.
She did.
And she left the bar.
Now, I understand that the house that he went to was his ex-wife's house.
And she had moved on.
And Lindsay thought that this Spencer had moved on, too.
They had conversations.
They were friendly.
They weren't best friends.
But Lindsay was supposed to be at the bar.
I met the house that night.
There was a cowboy.
I think they were playing the Falcons.
It was the first game of the year in 1917.
But she was working.
She had a bar full of people, eight to 10 people with the video.
I haven't seen the video yet.
And she's paying attention to a lot of folks, including him, but not enough meaningful time to observe him, his walk, his, you know, and that's what a lot of the problem caused affidavit was talking about how he was walking and his mannerisms.
He's a bartender on a sports night.
Good heavens.
This is ridiculous.
And she does call her bar manager, and then they called the owner, and there were some text messages that they quoted saying that, you know, she thought he was crazy or something.
And maybe he was crazy.
He was about to commit mass murder that nobody knew.
But she leaves the bar, literally leaves the bar and has a customer man and like not serve anybody.
He's like, just hold the fort.
I've got to go.
Extraordinary move on her part.
Drives down with her co-I guess bartender who wasn't working that night, came in off the clock, and she goes to the home of Meredith, and she sees this vehicle, Spencer's vehicle, behind, like in the alleyway.
We have alleyways in Texas.
And she freaks out and calls 911 immediately, just has this premonition that something bad has happened.
Why is he here?
He's not supposed to be here.
What's going on?
And she links up his bizarre behavior, calls 911, and they tell her to leave, get out of the way.
And then eight minutes later, seven people are dead.
But if she hadn't called 911, the SWAT team had not been able to be out there when they did.
More people would have been dead.
And if I'm not mistaken, Scott, the other worker that she called initially wound up flagging down an officer as well in this process.
So they tried to contact police at least twice during this situation.
That's new information.
I have not heard that one, but that doesn't make it.
It certainly stands to reason that they were both in the moment and they were looking for help.
They're just fearing the worst, not knowing what he was going to do.
Didn't even know.
Who is the prosecuting attorney?
What is he thinking?
What was she supposed to do?
She did more than anyone else would have done.
So here's the rug on this.
The Plano Police Department, not TABC from what I understand, the Plano Police Department issued this warrant.
They typed up an affidavit, three pages, and went and saw a municipal court judge who has power to issue a warrant.
And they did this, I believe, unbeknownst and without conferring with the Collin County District Attorney's Office.
How's that happen?
Well, and you have to understand, there was an officer involved shooting.
They shot and killed Spencer Height shortly after he murdered these people.
So whenever you have an officer involved shooting, usually a grand jury is convened and then there's an inquiry.
And of course, the officer has to go to grand jury to be no-billed.
And that's what happened.
So there was a whole huge involved investigation from the Plano Police Department.
Maybe the Texas Rangers were involved.
And so all of that happened in 17 and 18.
So all of this, all the evidence, everything that was presented to the grand jury was examined by multiple investigators.
And Lindsay was cooperative during this entire time.
Did the Plano police not commend her that night and say, if it wasn't for you, there would have been more dead?
That's my understanding, that they commended her.
They continued to commend her and understood that she was having massive PTSD.
I believe they referred her to a therapist that is part of a government grant that is, you know, that touches and concerns these victims of family violence and things of that nature.
So she's been in therapy.
They know this.
They're aware of everything.
And they do this on April 8th, the very day that the civil lawsuit was dismissed voluntarily by the Planet of Attorneys.
Last question for you, because I know you've got to run.
In reading your history, you have a lot of really positive results for your clients, but you are also known as entering into plea negotiations.
You're not going to plead this, are you?
I plan on never having this case darken the courthouse door.
This case has not been filed.
I'm a trial lawyer.
I go to trial when necessary, of course.
We plea cases when it's the right thing to do.
Correct.
I understand that.
So, no, if this gets filed, which we are working with the DA's office to encourage them not to file this case, not accept the case from the Plano Police Department.
That's the first step.
If it does get accepted, which I'll be surprised if they do accept it after the uproar that's been, and the prevailing attitude across this country and the world, I'm getting emails from all over the world in support of her, is don't prosecute her.
So hopefully the Collins County District Attorney's Office is listening.
And my job and my associate's job is to encourage them to not take the case.
If the case is taken, we will go to trial.
Scott, I tell you, Stu and I take this one personally.
We moved to Texas because there is common sense.
There is no common sense in prosecuting this woman.
She should be viewed, I think, as a hero.
And if you will keep us up to date, anything we can do to help, we will.
This is wrong.
This is absolutely wrong.
I agree with you 100%.
We will keep you up to date and hopefully give you some good news that the case has been refused.
We'll let you know.
Great.
Thank you very much, Scott.
Appreciate it.
Jesus.
Okay.
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So there is a 14-year-old girl on YouTube, and she has 800,000 followers.
That's a lot.
She is at 14, she's foul-mouthed, and she is saying all kinds of things that you just don't say in civil society, or at least in this PC world.
It's the kind of stuff that comedians might have said years ago, but nobody has the balls to say it.
Seems like it goes way beyond that, though, right?
I mean.
You could see these real hardcore comedians 20 years ago saying things like this.
But she, yeah, maybe.
But she is, she's way, way out of the norm now.
I want you to listen.
This is her on Muslim.
She's 14 years old.
Listen to this.
Since then, I've become a devout follower of the Prophet Muhammad.
Suffice to say, I've been having a f ⁇ ing ton of fun.
Of course, I get right by my 40-year-old husband every so often, and I have to worship a black cube to indirectly please an ancient Canaanite god.
But at least I get to go to San Fran and stolen the s out of some gays, and the cops can't do anything about it because California is a crypto caliphate.
The only part of Islam I absolutely cannot get into is the anti-Jew stuff.
Personally, I just can't support any sort of animosity towards Jews.
I wouldn't want to be a Nazi now, would I?
Now In our society, everything she just said is unacceptable.
However, the only speech that needs protecting is the speech we disagree with.
I don't like this because she's taking on a religion.
She is being disrespectful, yada, yada, but she has a right to say these things.
She's clearly, clearly an intelligent person knowing about a caliphate.
Well, how many people knew about a caliphate when I was talking about a caliphate?
I mean, she's saying those words.
We don't know that.
I mean, I kind of, you look at the video, and to me, it just seems like it's stuff that's written for them.
I don't like this.
I don't know who's writing it.
Reading a script, right?
I mean, she's definitely reading a script.
Maybe, I mean, it's possible she wrote it, but I mean, it doesn't seem, I mean, it doesn't seem like that to me, which is kind of the part of the part of it that disturbs me a little bit.
It's like, are you putting your kid up on the to make this sort of commentary and you're writing, you know, writing having them use the F word a million times and talk about being raped?
I mean, I don't think as America's greatest parent, I don't think I would go down that road.
I know I would.
I don't think that that would be a good direction.
I would be saying to my son, even if he wanted to do this or my daughter, I would be saying, you're going to destroy your life.
Don't do that.
It's not, it's not right.
Yeah.
And you're going to destroy your life.
Don't do it.
And a 14-year-old certainly, you know, as you may know, Glenn doesn't always listen to their daddy.
So we know that we could, but the way the jokes are written, it just seems like it's an adult writing them.
Now, here she is defending her videos.
Listen.
Apparently, because there's 800,000 of you, I'm burdened with the duty of babysitting and indoctrinating you.
And I bear the social responsibility of treating you like cattle who are such blubbering retards that they can't think for themselves.
Let me put it in blunt terms for you.
There's no such thing as the social responsibility of entertainers, you for decades now, kids have been getting taught left to sh ⁇ public schools and none of you bat an eye.
But someone puts some videos up on YouTube without any pretense and suddenly they're brainwashing people.
You could beg me kicking and screaming to stop disseminating the ideas I believe in and it wouldn't make a difference.
Not only am I inoculated to that, most of Gen Z is too.
Millennials grew up with MTV and nowadays they watch Colbert.
We, on the other hand, grew up with the internet.
So we have no centralized source of information that controls what we think and we filter out the truth for ourselves.
We're not lazy.
No one is brainwashing kids.
Kids are simply learning from having free access to information.
And there's nothing you can do about it.
Keep crying about how scared you are that we're being weaponized for the upcoming crusades.
What are you going to do?
Tell me to watch ContraPoints?
Kill yourself.
In any case, I'm wondering why they're concerned with what I say instead of being concerned with the parents who let their kids watch me.
But then again, these are the same brainlets that believe it would benefit society if every mother would ship in an undocumented Latino woman to take care of her children while she works as a secretary.
Calling us brainwashed won't do a thing when we're kicking her ass in every metric.
Wow.
Society is just awful.
Let's just turn it off.
So now it's about time.
What was that show?
There's a USA.
I'm kind of getting on this.
Let's just burn the whole thing down.
Okay, I'm ready.
I'm ready.
Wait, do we have any ex is there any is Elysium a real thing?
Can we go there?
There's a couple things.
If she is this intelligent, I mean, I could have seen, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Ben Shapiro.
Ben Shapiro, we knew him at that age.
Yeah, and he never would have done that.
Nor would he do it today.
No, never.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying she is making at least a cogent argument.
It's not necessarily one I agree with, but she's making a cogent argument.
And it is a backlash.
This is the backlash that you will see from the next generation.
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The pendulum will swing back.
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And he is the author of Alchemy.
And we welcome him to the program.
Hi, Rory.
How are you?
Very good to be on.
Thank you very much.
You bet.
I'm fascinated by what you've found and where we're headed.
Give me some of the highlights here.
First, let's start with Red Bull.
How do you get people to drink Red Bull when it tastes like garbage?
Well, this is the strange thing.
You see, if you sat down in a room with a lot of completely rational people and you said, we want a drink to compete with Coca-Cola, the first thing they'd say is, okay, your new drink has to taste nicer than Coke.
It's got to cost less than Coke, and it should come in a really big can so people get great value for money.
And yet, weirdly, the most successful competitor for Coke in financial terms has probably been this very expensive drink in a tiny can that tastes kind of horrible.
Not kind of.
I drink it myself.
And I ought to say this quite clearly.
I really quite enjoy it.
And the reason is, of course, that I think everything in human perception is affected not just by reality, but by context.
And so if your promise is that your drink has kind of medicinal or psychoactive powers, the fact that it tastes weird isn't a disadvantage.
It's actually a kind of proof point.
an interesting case by the way is that diet coke ordinary coke it's a diet drink so does this is this were these things planned
For instance, did the people at Red Bull, did they instinctively know this or scientifically know this, that they had to make it taste like dog crap?
Interesting.
I think an awful lot of successes in capitalism are partly accidental.
Right.
So, you know, I've always asked the question, you probably know that candy is put next to the till in shops because the argument is that children pester their parents to buy it.
Correct.
My hunch is that originally this didn't happen to plan.
All that happened is people noticed that if you had candy next to the till, you sold more candy.
And it's a kind of evolutionary process in capitalism, I think, which is much more of free market capitalism than we think is a process of discovering what it is people want.
We ourselves don't fully know.
We don't have introspective access to all of our brains and all of our preferences.
And so a very large part, I think, of consumer capitalism is a process of experimentation and selection, a kind of Darwinian thing.
And I think, one example I find fascinating is that Google, now, let's be absolutely honest here, Google is a very good search engine.
I'm not claiming that it's anything other than that.
It, however, did a very clever psychological trick in the sense that at the time, everybody else was trying to be a portal.
They put sports scores, they put weather information, they put breaking news, and Google just had a search bar and two buttons.
Right.
Now, actually, psychologically, that's very astute because there's a known thing in psychology called the jack of all trades heuristic, which is that we tend to think that something that only does one thing is going to be better at it than something that does multiple things.
You know, I've often thought, Rory, that that page also lends Google credibility because you're not associating it with anything other than information that you're looking for.
So I never see an ad for something that I like or don't like.
I never see a news story that I like or don't like.
It seems neutral, even though it's not.
I agree with you.
I think the very simplicity of the thing is psychologically brilliant.
However, I think the reason for its simplicity isn't intentional.
It was simply that Larry Page at the time wasn't very good at coding HTML, and it was kind of the best to do.
So quite often I think what happens, Dyson is an interesting case in terms of the vacuum cleaner.
I think there that in terms of what makes a successful innovation, we probably pay too much credit to technology and too little to psychology.
In the case of Dyson, I think the magic comes from the fact that the thing is transparent and you can actually see the dirt that you're removing from your floor.
In the case of Uber, I think the brilliant psychological insight is simply that waiting for a cab, waiting for a taxi, is inordinately less frustrating if you can see where it is.
And you know, I had no idea that this came from a James Bond film or somebody watching it.
Can you explain the story of how this came about?
No, so one of the co-founders of Uber, who I think was Canadian, one afternoon was watching Goldfinger.
And in Goldfinger, if you remember it, there's this fascinating moment where Bond, I think, is tracking him through the Swiss Alps.
Goldfinger is in a Rolls-Royce, which is made of gold, in fact, which is how he's smuggling gold out of the country.
And Bond has to track him, and there's a little map, a moving map, in the face here of his Aston Martin DB6.
And on the map is a dot which enables him to follow Goldfinger's car while remaining out of sight.
And the fascinating thing there is that this guy, this Canadian guy watching this something like 10 years ago, looked at that and said, that's how it should work when you order a taxi.
Wow.
That's brilliant.
A multi-billion dollar decision there.
You make the case that we don't value things.
We are a society of things.
And you say we don't value things.
We value their meaning.
Yes, I think that's absolutely true, which is that economics is a rather barren, dismal discipline because it tries to treat everything as if it's a commodity.
It assumes we know exactly what we want, how much value we attach to it.
It assumes that we're making decisions in a world of complete certainty.
Now, in truth, in between what something is and how we perceive it, there is a whole lot of noise going on.
There's the context in which we perceive it.
Something can seem expensive or cheap, by the way, entirely dependent on what you compare it to.
There's a famous example that Rolls-Royce and Maserati stopped exhibiting their cars so heavily at car shows because a $400,000 car looks insanely expensive at a car show.
If you exhibit those cars at yacht and aircraft shows, everything changes.
If you've been looking at Learjets all afternoon, a $400,000 car is effectively an impulse buy.
It's the candy.
It's the candy of the cash register.
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On your way out, you say, I'll have a couple of those while I'm here.
And so I will also cite Nespresso as an example of this.
It's quite an expensive coffee if you compare it to ground coffee.
It's a cheap coffee if you compare it to Starbucks.
So, Rory, I was against Donald Trump during the election.
And I'm a conservative in radio here and television in America.
But I was against him, and I could not understand how my audience was flocking to him until after the election.
And I started asking the question that I would have asked any of my friends who were acting erratically and saying, I believe in this, but then I'm going to go vote for this.
And I started asking the question, what's happening in your life?
Then I began to understand how people felt.
And I know facts don't care about feelings, but feelings, especially now in politics, are playing the critical role.
It's how because people on both sides, and I think all over Europe and in England with Brexit, there are those people in Brexit that are racist, but there are also those who feel like they've been left behind, not listened to.
They're losing their culture and they don't agree with what's going on, but nobody's listening to them.
And I don't care what side you're on, but that is a big motivator, I think, all around the world right now, are these people who feel nobody's listening to me.
I don't matter.
And I think actually that that feeling of detachment, what you might call the technocratic elites, to use the standard term, they are to blame for that happening.
Yes.
Yes.
And it's partly the problem lies not necessarily in them being technocratic or in being an elite.
It's that they're all technocratic in the same way.
And they're people who are very similar in terms of their education, quite often similar in terms of their background.
And their capacity to understand someone whose life experience is different from their own seems to me extraordinarily bad.
And add to that, I think, the fact that Trump is in many ways a persuasive genius.
I think he's an instinctive, you might expect this in the real estate industry, but he's an instinctive salesman of a remarkable kind.
If you take something like, we're going to build a wall, that's concretization.
In other words, what you say is you actually take what you're aiming for and you literally make it concrete in this case.
Now, if Hillary wanted to actually respond to people's concerns over immigration, she'd say something like, we're going to hold constructive tripartite discussions with our Mexican and Canadian allies.
Not the same thing.
And so his ability, I think, to connect, ironically, for someone who's a billionaire with a private jet, his ability to connect with a far wider tranche of people than Hillary could, I think he's remarkable and fascinating.
I'm not entirely in favor of him either, although I'm probably more forgiving than most Europeans are.
Also do welcome the fact that he's from a slightly different mental mold, at least because I do think the political cast essentially certainly, on large number of sort of both moral and economic questions, they've come to all think the same way and I think you're exactly right and I, I have begun to understand him and even appreciate some of the things that uh, he does.
Um, I would love to have you back Rory, if you ever come to the United States quite frequently, as often as I can, I would love to sit down and talk to you because I i'm, i'm very concerned I, i'm a, i'm a, I guess, an anti-fan in some ways of Edward Bernays.
Um, and we are entering a time now of, of these corporations, you know, for instance Amazon uh, they are so driven on data they say that when they can predict us at 95, they're going to stop being really a uh, a catalog online and more of just a delivery service.
They're just going to be delivering stuff to us before we even order it.
Uh, you look at approval that Amazon will correct preemptively, send us things, correct occasion, we'll send it back.
So there's, we're entering this time between Facebook Google Amazon, where i'm not sure that who's leading, who.
Advertising is going to change dramatically and it concerns me and i'd love to have a conversation with you.
Would you?
Would you come back?
I also think there's real scope for concern because what we tend to think of as impartial, such as choosing what to buy online or, for example uh, an algorithm online, because it's numerical and digital, we tend to see it as being impartial and objective.
Actually, all those things carry with them the prejudices of the people who the unconscious prejudices, in many cases, of the people who design them.
Yes, we find it quite amusing in the Uk because if you take Google Navigation, it gives you an option of traveling somewhere by public transport or you can make the same journey by car.
Now in Europe, if you live just outside London, the logical way to get to central London is you drive to a nearby railway station and then take the train into London.
Google can't understand this because it's too Californian to understand the concept of driving somewhere and then catching a train.
Right.
So in lots and lots of cases, the way in which things are designed carry with them a lot of unconscious assumptions about what a good decision is, and it may not be true.
Rory, I've got to let you go, but I really thank you, and I hope that we can spend some more time together because I think you are brilliant and on the cutting edge of the future and the consequences and what's happening right now.
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Really?
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That's a good point.
I guess we should have thought of this in advance.
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That's one thing he would probably recommend.
Yeah.
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Hello, doctor.
How are you?
Well, I'm pretty good.
I'm a little offended that you've never responded back to me.
How are you, doctor?
Thank you very much.
I was just going to say that it's quite befitting that prior to my coming on, you discuss buts because I've been referred to as the Ron Jeremy of evolutionary psychology.
So there's a reference for you.
Really?
Really?
That's fascinating.
So, Gad, we just had Rory Sutherland on.
Do you know who he is?
He wrote the book.
I do.
What do you think of him?
I mean, I don't know much of his work.
I know of some friends who speak very highly of him.
I think we follow each other on social media, but I couldn't say more than that, to be honest with you.
Okay.
He's got a new book out called Alchemy.
And we were kind of talking about The way that feelings are playing such a role now in marketing and how I didn't understand how people were voting for Donald Trump until I said, What's happening in your life?
And then I realized why people were so strongly behind him.
They felt that they weren't being heard.
Nobody was listening.
The political ruling class was doing the same thing over and over.
They'll tell you one thing, do another.
He was cut from a different cloth.
They knew that he was piggish, but they just wanted somebody that would break up this system.
And they thought he could do it.
And he was a wise enough businessman that he wouldn't destroy the country.
That was eye-opening to me.
I mean, I think you're right on that, of course, feelings matter when it comes to marketing products, marketing politicians.
I think the danger is when we people think that feelings and thinking are, if you like, antithetical to one another.
And that's not true.
We're both a thinking animal and a feeling animal.
What matters is that you apply the correct system in the proper, you know, for the proper decision.
So, for example, if I am selling perfumes, then I need to trigger your hedonic emotional system.
I mean, I don't sell you a perfume by telling you, here's what Harvard physiologists think of this chemical compound.
I need to sell you fantasy, so I show you a gorgeous girl on a horse with her hair flowing.
On the other hand, if I'm trying to sell you mutual funds, then I need to engage your cognitive system.
So it's not so much that we are either feelers or thinkers, it's that we need to apply the right system in the right condition.
But wait a minute.
If you're selling me mutual funds, I would still contend, because I think this is why conservatives lose the battle.
I contend that the fastest way to a person's brain is through their heart.
And so you paint a picture of what people want to be, what they want to do, what they want their life to be like, and then show them the facts that back up this is how we do it.
Fair enough.
I mean, all that you're saying is that you could never either have a strictly cognitive appeal, marketing appeal, or a strictly affective appeal.
And I certainly would concede that point.
And I think that's true.
I mean, all the way to brain surgery.
I mean, my daughter is, we're looking at having brain surgery for her, and she's been having testing, you know, like crazy over the last year.
And While I want a doctor to be able to explain it and really be precise on exactly what he's going to do, and I need the facts on exactly what's happening, I also want to feel from him that he is compassionate and understands this is my daughter.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Speaking of physicians, now in Quebec, they are thinking of changing the medical school curriculum to no longer include grading because too many of the students are getting high stress.
So I really want a physician who is handling life or death decisions to be sufficiently weak that they can't handle an A or a B grade.
I mean, imagine how much you're infantilizing people when even physicians now or physicians to be can no longer handle the indignity of being graded.
It's insane.
I saw a report about medical school where people said that there were too many white people and too many men in it or something.
I can't remember.
And they said, we have to change that.
And I'm like, no, let's just get the qualified people.
I don't care what color they are.
I want the most qualified person to be performing surgery.
So this is what I call, by the way.
So there's this whole movement of diversity, inclusion, and equity.
So I've taken the three letters and created the acronym DAI.
It's the DAI religion, right?
Chaird professorships are now assigned as a function of whether you adhere to the DAI theology or not.
I mean, imagine, right?
The highest level of excellence in academia is no longer determined by your accomplishments.
It's determined by your sexual orientation, whether you ovulate or not, your skin color.
It's absolutely insane.
And I truly wonder when it is that most academics are going to have the testicular fortitude to wake up and start speaking out against this.
Well, I will tell you, I think you guys in Canada are way ahead of us.
I mean, I don't, I don't, honestly, I don't know what it is in Canada.
Maybe it's because you guys have to fight every step of the way and we have this strange belief that our Constitution will protect us and our Bill of Rights, but it's not going to protect us because we're not standing up for it.
But Canada, the academics in Canada seem to be being very vocal.
Well, certainly the few Canadian academics who are at the forefront of it, yes, you're right.
But what I would love to see is the silent majority, right?
I mean, as I've often recounted, I get innumerable emails from fellow professors, not just Canadians from all over the world saying, hey, I support you.
I really support you.
Thank you for being an academic hero.
But please, please don't share publicly that I support you.
Well, therein lies the problem, right?
I mean, if you can't even have the courage to simply say that you support the guy who's fighting for your rights, then we really have sunk into an abyss of cowardice that's difficult to come out of.
I just gave a speech last night to a Jewish and Christian organization.
It was the anniversary of the establishment of Israel yesterday.
And little did I know, a woman who survived the Holocaust was in the audience, and I was talking about how, you know, how these things happen.
And they don't come as monsters.
They come first, you know, kind of wrapped in goodness and justice and everything else.
And they start with political correctness and they train you not to feel comfortable to speak out until you are cowering behind your curtains in your front room.
And you know, if I open up those curtains, they'll kill me.
If you don't speak out when it's early, you're not going to have the fortitude to do anything later.
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And we're in this point, we're at this flex point now where it's about to go really dark, I think.
And if we don't start standing up now, I don't think we're going to make it.
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It's an unbiased organization, nonpartisan.
They do these very exhaustive global surveys.
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Here are the stats for unfavorable opinions of Jews.
I'll just list four or five countries.
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The one-year anniversary.
We have real problems with Iran.
We have just pulled our people out of Iran from the embassy.
I don't know what this means.
I really don't know what this means.
We could be going to war with Iran, and the world will change.
And as always, when socialism is in vogue, so is something else, anti-Semitism.
And anti-Semitism is on the rampage right now.
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You have some stats from around the world.
Yeah, I'll just give you two quick stats.
So one is from Pew Research Center.
Here are the percentages of people polled in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and the Palestinian territory.
So the neighbors of Israel, in terms of their unfavorability scores towards the Jews.
95%, 97%, 98%, and 97%.
I mean, let's sink in.
98% of people polled in my home country of Lebanon hate the Jews.
What a surprise that we had to leave Lebanon in 1975.
Wait, wait, wait.
So when you have somebody like Rashida Tlaib come out and say that her grandmother lost her land and many Palestinians lost their lives, so the Jews could have a homeland.
How do you process that?
This is what I call.
I don't know if we discussed this last time, but we chatted when I came down to Dallas.
This is what I call the collective Munchausen syndrome, right?
It's where you gain power by always feigning injury, right?
or in this case, you need to be the victim, right?
So she needs to always view the Palestinians as the victims.
And so she constructs a story now where she still remains, or her ancestors remain, the victims in the grand narrative.
And it's delusional.
It is absolutely not anywhere close to actual history and delusional.
Well, and I'll give you a personal anecdote.
So we were obviously forced to leave Lebanon at the start of the 1975 Lebanese Television War.
After we left, my parents kept returning to Lebanon until 1980 when they were kidnapped by Fatah, a Palestinian terror group.
And they found out that our own home in Lebanon has now been taken over by Palestinian refugees.
I don't construct today a narrative that adheres to my political views.
I don't hold any ill will towards all Palestinians because this happened.
Just be truthful.
But she's incapable of being truthful because she always has to create the narrative of the Palestinians are the victims and the evil Jews are the oppressors.
You're an atheist, GAD.
I am.
Do you believe in evil?
I do.
I do.
Now, I don't think that one needs to couch the language of the existence of evil in a theological construct.
People are born with the random combination of genes that constitute originally their parents.
And sometimes people are born tall or short or with a blue dot on their face or without a blue dot on their face.
And similarly, through random mutation, some people are born.
For example, serial killers are born without the capacity to feel empathy.
That's not rooted in a theological construct.
It's just the reality of the random combination of genes.
So is that there's a I believe there is a force of evil.
And, you know, I don't have to take it to Satan or anything like that.
I can just take it to, you know, you had these really sick people like Hitler and Goebbels and everybody else.
They were really disturbed.
And their force of will became infectious.
And it spread.
And that evil force that they had within them caught a lot of people up into it that weren't necessarily evil.
They just kind of were swept up in it.
Right.
I mean, some of the most classic and best known experiments in psychology.
So for example, the Milgram experiment, maybe you might know it, but let me just kind of briefly say that.
The Yale experiment?
Exactly, the Yale experiment.
Well, that came as a result of many of the foot soldiers, the Nazi foot soldiers, simply saying, hey, I'm not an evil guy.
I was just kind of, I was caught up in the moment.
And so, what Milgram wanted to do was test whether there was truth to that, whether I can take completely normal people, put them in a condition where I force them to conform, and then they would do some truly horrifying things.
And as he found out, he could get people without them knowing that this was a made-up thing, he could get people to administer voltage to fellow students that would kill them simply through his authority.
Hey, you agreed to participate in this experiment, zap them.
And so, you're right.
Not every single Nazi was an evil guy, but certainly the ones who orchestrated it were.
This is, it goes back to, and you probably remember this book.
I can't remember the name of it.
I'm looking for it on my iPad here.
The book about the soldiers in Poland that were some of the best policemen in Poland, not evil, and how the Germans turned them into just a massive killing machine.
Right.
And how you do that.
And I have to tell you, with the anti-Semitism that's going on, with this new poll that we've talked about earlier this week, where about 40% of the population looks at the other side as not human,
Global Security System Needs00:03:45
20% of the Democrats and 13% of the Republicans say that we'd be better off if there was some sort of a mass killing of the other side.
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We'll get your opinion on that and so much more with Dr. Gad Saad, professor at Concordia University, and just a wise, wise guy, the gadfather, if you will, of the intellectual dark web.
Gad Sad, more in a minute.
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So Gad Sad is with us.
He is the godfather of the intellectual dark web and a friend and just somebody I just really truly admire because he is really, truly open to learning.
And that's our biggest problem: so many of us are set in our ways.
And we're like, no, it's not.
Look, if somebody can present me with new facts, I'll change my mind.
I just want to see the facts behind it.
Gad, we're talking about anti-Semitism, and I want to kind of broaden this a little bit to where we're headed in the world.
Because you really are, you're a behavioral scientist, you're an evolutionary behavioral scientist, you're an adman, if you will.
And have you read Christopher Browning's Ordinary Men?
I have not.
Okay, it's about the police battalion, I think, 101, the Polish police battalion.
And they were good guys, and none of them wanted to kill Jews.
And before you knew it, they were the worst squad out there.
And so in the 1960s, they went back and they talked to these guys.
What happened?
How did this happen?
And it's fascinating to see the psychological underpinnings on how you go from a good person to a really evil person that was, you know, gladly participating in the Holocaust over a short period of time.
Childhood Advertising Impact00:10:40
We have a system now that we're indoctrinating our kids with socialism, anti-Semitism, collectivism.
We have corporations that Michael Rechtenwald from NYU has said to me recently: it is they're not selling their soul.
They're not just hitching their star to the band, the current bandwagon by putting Nike, by putting Kaepernick up.
They are actually pushing for socialism because they believe that there is going to be a corporate United States of America and these corporations that are so big up at the top are going to be able to really control things.
We get into this place to where does advertising when does it become evil propaganda and when is it just plain old advertising?
But we are coming to a place to where it's going to be predicting us so much that it will seem totally natural for us to go, oh, I want to buy that product.
But we're being manipulated.
Well, incidentally, I mean, that's exactly why I love, I mean, the scientific discipline of marketing, because as I often remark, life is marketing and marketing is life.
So advertising in of itself is just a mechanism to transmit information.
Now, that mechanism can be used for nefarious purposes, or it can be used to convince you that you should not lead a sedentary life and stop smoking and stop eating french fries.
So there's nothing inherently evil or good about advertising.
It's really how you use it.
So in my case, the way that I use some of my marketing know-how is how can I construct messages that are appealing and that will sway people to, for example, get engaged in the battle of ideas.
So it's not just about marketing of Coca-Cola and Starbucks.
We market ideas.
I mean, if we are good academics, we should also be in the business of packaging and selling good ideas.
So it is in that sense that I use my marketing know-how in selling good ideas and killing bad ones.
So how are we because I don't hear anybody with a good marketing campaign on the free market.
I don't hear anybody that's presenting that in a way that seems relevant or winning.
Well, I think the reason for that is that the public discourse is really carried out at such a banal and trivial level, right?
We're still talking about should we be getting Donald Trump Jr. to you know to testify and so on, rather than talking exactly about the issues that you're talking about.
I mean, is the death penalty a good thing for a civilized society or not?
What are your views on abortion?
What should be our proper fiscal policy, our monetary policy, our foreign policy?
Most people don't want to talk about these things.
They'd rather engage in gossip, even in the context of the political arena.
And so our discourse is really at the level of a five-year-old rather than elevating it to that of well-thinking adults.
So how do we get people there?
We get them to read my books and consume my material.
That's how we do it.
No, but really what you do is that you maintain a discipline of, as you said earlier, always wanting to learn, right?
I mean, one of the things that happens to me whenever we're about to go on vacation with the family is I go through this process in my personal library where I'm in an utter panic because I've got three, 400 books that I've yet to read.
And the question becomes, which book am I bringing?
I know it's Sophie's choice.
I'm doing it today myself.
I'm going on vacation tomorrow.
Now, why is it that you and I are sitting there, you know, torturing ourselves over this?
Because we are hungry for knowledge.
So I think if we can get people to, you know, listen less to Ariana Grande and worry less about Justin Bieber and about whatever, you know, mental chips people consume every day and elevate the conversation.
I'm not sure there is a panacea.
There's a magic build.
But see, here's the problem.
I remember back in the 90s being so clear, and every conservative I know said, I will never give my fingerprint to the government.
That's outrageous.
I won't get facial recognition.
That's got to be stopped.
Really?
We are giving our fingerprint to Apple and facial recognition gladly.
The power of Brave New World is so strong that even when people know this is destructive behavior, this social media thing that I'm hooked to, it's destructive.
They will not get rid of it.
And that speaks exactly to the point that people engage in bad behavior, not necessarily because they don't know the consequences, right?
This is sort of a classic intervention strategy.
Oh, if you want to get people to stop smoking, explain to them that smoking is bad for them.
But I mean, which person alive today doesn't know that smoking is not good for you, right?
Here's a great story.
I had a physician once that I went to see.
I was suffering from bronchitis and I used to suffer from asthma.
I went to see him because I was suffering from bronchitis.
He was chain smoking in the consultation room.
So I asked him, hey, Doc, do you think it's reasonable for you to be?
And he just laughed it off and said, ah, don't worry about it.
Now, did this physician not know that it was inappropriate not only to be smoking in front of me, but to be smoking for his own lungs?
Of course he knew.
So it's much more than simply providing people with information.
It's providing people with information that is actionable.
Let me, if I can just give you one quick example using the smoking example.
Young men who heavily smoke are the ones most likely to suffer from erectile dysfunction.
Young men usually don't suffer from erectile dysfunction, but if they are a heavy smoker, they are much higher risk to suffer from erectile dysfunction.
If I want to stop a young man from smoking, telling him that he might develop lung cancer or heart disease when he is 75 is not going to catch his attention.
Telling him that he won't be able to perform tonight with the gorgeous girl will.
It doesn't take a fancy evolutionary psychologist to understand that point.
So it's not so much providing people with information, but it's about providing them with the right information.
However, when the pleasure is so great, and this is one thing I'm very concerned about, when the pleasure or the reward is so great and it's not real life, for instance, you can say, you know, look, you playing these video games or engaging with pornography, it's like heroin.
It's going to rewire your brain.
And studies will show that you will have a much less fulfilling sex life in real life if you're doing these things online.
They don't really care.
Well, listen, the one who cracked that mystery will be booking themselves a ticket to Stockholm to pick up the Nobel Prize.
I mean, that really is very much the type of stuff that I do, right?
How can I get people to engage in some action using some appropriate persuasion technique?
What we absolutely know to repeat: it's not simply the fact that people do bad things because they don't know any better.
So, for example, when it comes to suntanning, women are much more aware of the deleterious consequences of suntanning, yet they do it much more than men.
So, it's not about not having the proper information, it's giving them the correct information.
Ken, what is your feeling on Edward Bernays?
I think we briefly mentioned him last when I was on your long podcast.
I think so.
This is the propaganda guy, correct?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, you had that's right.
You hadn't really looked at that video.
Exactly.
I haven't read it.
And I remember someone I think even wrote in your comment section, What?
He's a professor of marketing and he hasn't delved into this.
So maybe I really need to get into this guy, right?
Yeah, you should.
You should.
I'd be fascinated to hear what you think because he's, you know, he's the reason we have eggs and bacon for breakfast.
And he was not an ad guy.
He was the father of propaganda.
He won World War I for the West.
And Goebbels said it was because he learned from him that the Germans did as well as they did.
And I'd be interested in hearing your take on him because we're entering a new world where we're easily manipulated by these giant companies without our knowledge at all.
And I don't hear anybody talking about this in any real terms.
They'll talk about it as, you know, fake news, etc.
But that's that's not what that's not the only concern.
The concern is what these companies are doing with advertising, how they're using their analytics and their algorithms to cater directly to us and sell us things that we're just going to find absolutely reasonable.
And incidentally, one of the best ways to get people to become, if you like, lifelong consumers, loyal, brand loyal consumers, is to get to them when they are very young, where they don't yet have the cognitive and emotional apparatus to build counter-argument against you.
I mean, this is why we have laws that you're not supposed to directly target children below a certain age.
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And yet, when it comes to, forgive me for saying this, I know that you are a man of faith.
When it comes to religion, well, straight out of the womb, I could be selling my product, in this case, my religious belief to my child.
And so what do you think is going to happen?
How likely is my child ever going to develop his own thinking about this particular issue when I am advertising to him straight from the out of the womb?
But this doesn't only apply to religion.
Now, when it comes, for example, to transactivism, now in grade one, we're starting to talk about gender fluidity.
Well, why is it, I mean, how come throughout history, we haven't had to have that conversation, but suddenly now we need to be having these conversations about two-spirited people and gender-neutral people when the kids are five years old, really?
Well, I will tell you, Gad, when it comes to religion, and I know you and I disagree on religion and I think our disagreement is healthy.
But my son came to me six months or so ago and said, and he was very nervous.
And he said, Dad, I don't know if I believe in God.
And I said, great.
And it took him by surprise.
And he said, what?
And I said, son, you shouldn't believe in God because I do.
I want you to do your own homework.
If you find that there is a God, great, but I'm going to ask you to tell me why you believe that.
If you decide there is no God, I'm going to ask you to tell me why you believe that.
This is your journey, not mine.
Your position is so commendable.
Wow, that's brilliant, Glenn.
That's fantastic.
I think I, but I don't think I'm alone in that.
I hope I'm not.
I don't think I'm alone in that.
Maybe you should have had a conversation with my parents in 1972.
Well, it's 1972.
You should have talked to my parents, too.
So, Gad Sad, thank you so much.
God bless you.
Or not, you know, a universe bless you.
I think you meant Gad bless you.
Gad, Gad bless you.
Yes, thank you so much.
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Whether you agree with him or not, you will learn a lot from Gad Sad.
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