Glenn Beck confronts the House Intelligence Committee's wiretapping demands and critiques Secret Service security failures alongside concerns over British actors dominating American roles. He analyzes polarization data showing 60% of counties are "blowout" echo chambers and debates Senator Mike Lee's flawed ACA repeal bill while interviewing Colin Moriarty about conservative identity in San Francisco. Ultimately, the episode argues that moral aversion drives political tribalism, threatening free speech and constitutional principles as society fractures into isolated ideological enclaves. [Automatically generated summary]
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The House Intel Committee has given Trump until today to make clear the evidence of wiretapping.
They feel that this is quite an important charge.
You accused the former president of wiretapping.
You wouldn't do that unless you had evidence.
Mark Levin said that the evidence was very clear.
I don't know if he has seen the evidence, but the White House or the House Intel Committee has now said, give us, Mr. President, the evidence by Monday afternoon or we're not moving forward.
Because the White House said, here's what was happening.
We want somebody to investigate.
Congress said, you need to show us some evidence that this happened and we'll investigate.
It seems like every piece of news I read the last couple of days has been speculating on one spokesperson or another and the way they took this and the way.
And it's like, well, why bother with all that?
The deadline's today.
By tomorrow, you're going to know if the evidence is out, if they're continuing this or not.
So why bother parsing every word that Kellyanne Conway said in every interview she did?
Who cares?
The bottom line is that today's the deadline, right?
So we'll know by tomorrow.
We have Mike Lee on today later on the show.
Do you know what committee is he on?
Is he on the Intel committee?
Most of the guys don't want to be on Intel now.
Why is that?
Because it's a nasty trap.
They've told me that you don't necessarily learn anything new from that committee.
And if you're on it, you can't even talk about the subject because the laws are so dicey that they don't even want to talk about the subject.
And so it bars them from discussing anything.
Mike Lee, a joint economic committee, Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, Committee on the Judiciary.
Okay.
So he'll be able to talk about it without any information.
I'd like to hear from him because they're saying that it takes one phone call for the president to say, hey, I need this information.
And he's the president.
I mean, is there any doubt that the president can get the information he needs to get?
Wouldn't think so.
Hold on, it sounds like.
I just don't think there's evidence.
Otherwise, it would have been presented by now.
Right?
I mean, that's kind of where we are.
If there's evidence, then you give them the evidence, right?
Right.
And then you've proven it, and then you don't have to worry about all the media that hates you saying things that aren't true.
Well, give them the evidence, and then that stops.
It's that easy.
Quite easy.
So I'm a little sketchy on the evidence portion of this.
Right.
But what I'm asking you is, is there any doubt in your mind that as president of the United States, if the evidence exists, he can get it.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we should know by tomorrow what the evidence is.
Did you also follow that Steve Bannon and they're now calling Sean Hannity the third most powerful man in the world because of what happened on Friday?
They let all of the Justice Department attorneys, all the Obama attorneys, go.
And that's not unusual.
They just usually do it over a longer period of time, you know, so we don't have an absence of attorneys.
And we have a really good attorney in Manhattan who is strong on, you know, the gangs and strong on the mob and Islamic terror.
And apparently he had met with Trump before and said, hey, I just want to know if my job is at stake or are you going to be renewing me?
And he left saying, I'm going to be renewed because of the feared leaks in the administration.
Apparently, Hannity and Bannon convinced Donald Trump to fire all political appointees, get them out right now.
So Friday was their last day.
They all just got a note saying, see ya.
Who knows, though?
I mean, that is the reporting I saw as well.
But I mean, you know, who knows what that stuff is.
Oh, I know.
The rumors of who's telling Trump X, Y, who knows if any of that is true.
Again, this is what the media does these days.
They don't seem to investigate anything when it comes to big important issues to the American people.
It's all just this little back and forth inside the administration because they're so fascinated with it.
I mean, are the American people fascinated with it?
No.
I'm not.
I don't care who's telling them what.
Just let's see what he does.
When he does stuff, then we'll judge it on what happens.
Rather than, again, it's constant speculation and backroom talking about these weird deals that are cut.
Who cares about any of that?
Let's just judge what he's done.
And as you point out, it has happened before.
It's a little more aggressive maybe than other administrations, but that's not, it's not as, you know, it's not the most of all time.
And you'd expect it to be more aggressive from the Trump administration.
But it's not a huge, it's not a huge deal.
Especially when you are getting leaks from somewhere.
You know, if I had leaks from someplace in the organization, didn't know, the first thing I would do is cut all the people that I didn't hire.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's get rid of all the people that, you know, might be leaking stuff.
Let's just get rid of them.
One area that might need a little attention is White House security.
Thank you.
Oh my gosh.
Maybe that could be a little bit more.
This could get a little shoring off.
That's unbelievable.
This it sure is.
I don't even understand how this is possible.
Another person made it to the south entrance of the White House with President Donald Trump inside.
Okay.
So not just made it to the South entrance.
Walked clear around the White House.
Right.
So we're not talking about the South entrance of the gate.
We're talking about the doorway.
Scale defense.
Yeah.
Yes.
Went up to the side of the White House.
Right.
Went around the entire side of the White House all the way to the south entrance of the White House, got all the way up to the door, and that's when they saw him.
How can that happen?
That couldn't happen at your house.
How does that happen at the White House?
We had a guy about, what, two years ago jump our fence in the middle of the night, and he just happened to luck into a blind spot and kind of just walked, got to our garage before getting caught.
But he walked by the fence in this blind spot.
The very next day, we were out with security going, okay, where are the blind spots?
Let's get, I want no blind spots.
When you have a problem with security and a security environment, you address those concerns immediately.
We don't have blind spots anymore.
How does the Secret Service have so many people making it all the way to the residence?
They just must not have sensors.
Do they not have sensors?
Of course they do.
Well, how are they not catching these guys then?
I have no idea.
The guy who jumped the fence last year or the year before and ran all the way into the White House.
Do you remember the White House?
Dude, do you remember being at Kenny Bunport?
And do you remember seeing those green like tube things coming out of the ground?
Yeah.
They were about a foot and a half high.
We went to interview George H.W. Bush.
This is many years ago.
Okay.
And so they had on one side, he lives out on a point.
And on one side, they had a big fence.
Remember that?
Behind the house, they had this huge double fence razor wire.
I mean, it looked pretty nasty, but it was kind of hidden.
The other side, they always had a boat out because remember, at the time, Saddam Hussein was threatening to kill George H.W. Bush.
So they always had a boat out there.
And on the residence, they had the gates and everything else.
And on the residence, all throughout the lawn were these green pipes that were about a foot, foot and a half high.
And I asked, what are those?
And they said that they were vibration or some sort of sensor that could sense that people were walking across the lawn at that point.
How long ago was that, though, Glenn?
I don't think they make those anymore.
I mean, I think those have been discontinued.
That's in a former president's house.
And also, how do we not have?
It's unbelievable.
It's like close to the road.
You wouldn't have a lot of time to react to the sensors on that lawn.
You do on the White House.
You go, I mean, this guy was just strolling around.
We have.
That's crazy.
It just didn't.
Are there not snipers?
I thought there were.
I always thought there were.
I thought they extended the height of the fence.
I always thought if you jump that fence, you're going to be dead.
Right.
You're just going to shoot.
Here's the problem.
They're not going to do that.
No.
Because you shoot somebody.
What if he's mentally ill?
Which it seems like etc.
Right.
You don't want to, the Secret Service do not want to be shooting, but you have somebody up at the top of that.
No, you don't even need that.
You have, we have motions.
I do.
I'm not the president.
We have motion sensors.
A dog starts walking across our lawn.
All the cameras sweep to him.
Audio turns on so I can hear the no matter where they are.
I mean, that's what I have.
The president has got to have that.
Is somebody sleeping at the command center?
The way this was reported originally is that they stumbled on this guy, right?
I mean, it was like the Secret Service came up for a kind of looking to it.
Hey, what are you doing here?
Yeah.
That's crazy.
And he had a backpack.
I will say, however, he did say he was a friend of the president and had an appointment.
So maybe he set that up in advance with Donald.
I was like, I'll just, I'll meet you at the south entrance maybe around midnight.
Please chat.
So maybe the lesson we're supposed to learn, no matter how big you build a fence or a wall, they'll still get over it.
Well, I mean, look, that's plainly true, obviously.
But I mean, you know, it still can help.
I don't, I really don't understand.
I've said this under the Obama administration.
This started under Bush.
It was pretty good under Bush, but it started a little bit more.
It was much worse under Obama because we had those people who crashed the party.
Right.
And I think there was a combination of something's wrong with the Secret Service and the Obama administration just would write off the Secret Service.
They'd be like, whatever, we're doing that.
Remember, that's how they crashed the party.
Somebody said, look the other way.
They're coming in.
So you had that combination.
I hope that Donald Trump and his administration is not doing that.
But this is not a case of that anyway.
This is the case of the Secret Service.
We will pay what the American people are not going to kick up a fuss.
Hey, I'm not paying another $5,000 for more sensors on the White House law.
Nobody's going to say that.
You don't have to shoot the guy.
All you need are the sensors to show that somebody is there or the manpower to show that someone is walking across the lawn or running across the lawn.
And then you go out and you tackle him.
Yeah.
How hard is that?
Right.
About 10 feet from the fence is where he should be tackled.
How about this?
You just have dogs in the White House.
You just have, just let the German shepherds.
Well, they do have dogs.
Right.
But they should just be in the middle of the dog all the time, apparently.
Yeah.
Just let the German shepherds go.
Now, the problem with that is, you know, the last thing you want is a barking German shepherd on the other side of a fence.
I mean, that'll look like, you know, but that's the reason, right?
The reason why there's not a hundred Secret Service agents out on the lawn all the time is because they want it to look nice, right?
There's no rational reason why that's protected other than just optics.
People want to look at the White House and not see an army on the back lawn.
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And I understand that.
However, that's how important security is, right?
Like that is actually the correct response here.
Think about this.
This guy had a backpack.
In it, he had a Trump book and some other nonsense, but some mace.
So, I mean, you know, but I mean, not something he could have killed a lot of people with.
However, there's no security check to get up to the fence at the White House.
He could have had a massively powerful bomb.
He could have been carrying a suicide vest very easily.
And he could have, as he walked along the side of the White House, blown himself up right next to it and taken out a chunk of that building.
Yeah.
Easily.
Yeah.
Easily.
And again.
Because he was right there.
He was right there.
Is there a more secure building than the White House when the president is in it?
You'd think not.
You'd think not.
But apparently so.
Apparently, yes, obviously.
I mean, apparently the answer to that is absolutely there are.
Apparently my house is more secure.
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Movies this weekend.
Shaq was number four.
Get out was number three.
Logan was number two.
Yeah.
Kong, number one.
Yeah, $61 million.
It cost $185 million to make.
My kids went to it.
Hannah and Twitter.
They said it was fantastic.
They went on a date together.
Good reviews.
It was.
Yeah, they said it was just fantastic.
Said it was really fun, funny.
They said it was the perfect kind of monster movie.
Didn't take itself too seriously, but did take itself seriously.
I mean, it was serious enough to be IM Kong, but then, you know, right, I know it's a giant monkey.
Right.
Made by the same people, I guess, who did Godzilla.
And it was the same vibe of that, which I like that one.
I love that one.
So now they're, they're, if you stay for through the titles, I'm going to go see it tonight.
But if you stay through the titles, they show the next one.
And I guess it's, I don't know, is it Mothra?
Who was?
Who are the?
So they're building toward a battle for each other with another massive, with another master.
And then the 2020, the film after this, is Godzilla and King Kong.
We've become the 1970s Japanese.
We sure have.
No, we are not.
No, we are not.
We're at least doing good movies that are monster movies about giant monkeys right, and legends, right.
You needed that extra quality.
Yeah, I did you know those were not good movies.
I mean no, they were not.
They were not fun to watch them on Saturday afternoon.
So I still love to watch them.
I never forget that I can't duplicate that.
No, I can't replicate that sound, but the sound that uh, Godzilla made yeah, it was so good, so good, it was it a parrot.
I thought it was a giant lizard, I know, but in the Godzilla, Godzilla watercracker, but in Godzilla it still made that sound.
It did yeah, all the same.
Yeah, moving their lips at 8,000 miles an hour with yes, that's the thing I noticed.
I was like man, there's too many words to learn in Japanese, way too many words.
Economy of words, guys.
Yeah no, it's I I, that one actually looks funny.
John C. Riley's in it.
Isn't Samuel L. Jackson in it as well?
Did you hear the Samuel L Jackson comments about, uh, get out?
No, did you hear this?
Uh, he said not to listen to him.
Yeah, he said he was.
He was disturbed at how many black British actors were getting black American actors jobs.
Yeah, look around to a lot of other shows.
Oh Samuel, there's a lot of brilliant actors Americans get losing jobs to British.
So he's uh, he's becoming a nationalist himself, apparently Nice.
Good for him.
They can't understand the black experience of Americans because they didn't go through it.
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Hello, and welcome back to the program.
Can you tell me about Get Out?
I mean, is it Key and Peel or just Peel?
Peel directed it, I believe.
Right.
And wrote it.
Yeah, it's a movie.
So does it, I mean, those guys are razor-edge funny.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not a comedy, but there are funny parts in it and very violent parts and scary parts and parts where the whole audience sort of cheers.
But yeah, it was really well done.
So as I'm watching it, and this is what kills me, is as I'm watching the preview of it, I think, of course, the white family trying to.
But from what I understand, they're a very liberal family that's doing this.
Yes.
Don't they brag about voting for Obama?
They would have voted for him a third term.
Third term.
Yeah, they would vote for him for a third term.
They make a big deal out of that at the beginning.
And you kind of get the sense that one of the underlying, and I have no idea what their politics are.
I'm sure it's not obviously conservative.
But it does seem like there's an air in there of mocking liberals who think they're above all races.
They're racist just because they voted for Obama.
Right.
It's that sort of thing.
Yeah.
Oh, well, they're not racist because this family is racist and they're going after black people.
Have you seen it yet?
Yeah.
So has it, is it, am I going to be lectured about race or is this just a good movie?
No, you're not going to be.
No, you're not going to be.
I mean, you got to go into it.
You understand what the movie is.
And this is in every trailer.
It's a white family that is, as we just talked about, liberal family that, you know, targets black people for violence.
That's as far as I want to go with the plot.
Right.
So spoiler of what I just said earlier.
I'm not sure which.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You didn't say that to me, but yes, I would definitely not talk about that.
Didn't Samuel L. Jackson say something about it?
He was upset over the movie or something was wrong with it?
Yeah.
That's what we were talking about.
Yeah, he's the British actor.
Yeah, he's saying that he's upset that British actors are taking British British.
Wait, wait.
He's pissed that black British actor.
Are taking African American actors.
African American.
I don't think African British is a thing, but.
Oh, yes.
Yeah, well, they're not African-American.
No, I know.
Well, you can't be African-American doing that.
They're smart.
They just call them black.
And they call us white.
And it is.
I'm just leaving at that.
What is the deal with all these British actors taking American actor parts?
Stop it.
Don't worry about it.
What is the deal with that?
Well, that was Samuel L. Jackson's point.
Yeah.
I think he's onto something.
He is onto something.
And it happens to white people, too, by the way.
Shirley, Samuel.
Stop.
The Walking Dead is loaded with British actors who are playing American parts.
I believe they're Australian.
Is Rick Australian or Australian?
Well, Jeffy would know.
He hosts a podcast called Talking Walking Dead.
I would assume they know this information.
Jeffy?
You don't know.
I want to say I'm almost positive he's British, but I don't know.
Look it up real quick.
I think he's Australian.
The one thing you're supposed to have expertise on is that you're not.
I'm not afraid of the podcast.
Yeah, but first of all, it goes to what you were saying, Mr. Beck, because I don't care.
Oh, no, you were just in with him.
I know.
It's happening a lot.
It does happen all over.
But if you don't care, then why.
And still, I admit that it's happening.
I don't care that it does.
He is an English actor.
English.
Andrew Lincoln.
English.
He's from Great Britain.
I think what's happening here is Merit, they're good actors and they fit their owners.
They're all good actors.
That's all I'm saying.
I mean, aren't there enough good actors in America to fill these roles, though?
Why is this happening?
I haven't heard you say.
I have heard you, and I didn't say anything at the time because I don't know.
It wasn't important.
But I've heard you say, I can't.
I mean, I love it.
And then I watched them in an interview and they've got this British actor.
That's pretty agonizing.
It is.
It is frustrating.
Is it agonizing?
It is frustrating.
It's just frustrating.
It just makes me okay.
I'm more impressed by them when I see that.
I'm like, oh, he's a really good example.
And you see this guy, and you've known him as this American doctor for so long.
And then you see an interview with him like, God, this guy could, I mean, it's like taking on a totally different additional challenge to.
It's like me going over to the BBC.
I mean, it would take, you know, about 10 seconds before everybody would go, well, he's an American.
Right.
Hey, there you go.
All right.
I mean, if they can pull it off.
I mean, I don't know if you guys know this, but it's a story that has zombies in it.
It's not, I mean, he was fighting for America.
There's zombies.
It takes place in America, right?
These are American people.
These are American walkers, zombies that they're killing.
Right.
Right.
Here's the specific complaint from Samuel L. Jackson, because his has a racial component to it.
He says he has trouble with a British actor playing an American man grappling with a very specifically American type of racism, which is bizarre when you see the movie.
It's not exactly specifically American.
An American type of racism pisses me off.
I tend to wonder what would the movie have been with an American brother in the lead really understands that in a way.
Because Daniel grew up in a country where, you know, there's been interracially dating for 100 years.
So what would a brother from America have made of that role?
You know what?
There's also scant few, scant little diversity in England.
I mean, come on.
Can we wake up and realize that this is the greatest country on earth?
Racially, economically, militarily, and culturally, in every way, we deal with more stuff in a better way than the rest of the world combined.
By the way, they don't have the diversity we have.
By the percent.
3%.
Would somebody check on these numbers?
I heard somebody say this weekend that there are more people, more black people have immigrated to the United States than the slave people.
When we were brought here by the slave trade.
Oh, yeah, that's true.
I mean, if we're so horrible, why would you come here?
I mean, if we're so horrible, yes, we have horrible things that have happened in our past and we're not perfect.
We are the most diverse country on planet Earth.
By far, it's not even close.
It's not even close.
We have people coming from 175 different countries and we're all living together on top of each other in some cases.
Relax.
We're doing a pretty good job.
And we just keep on trying to improve.
We've seen dramatic improvement in a very short period of time.
Probably faster.
We take 10 steps back by having British actors play zombie killers.
Thank you.
That's what Jeffy and I are saying.
That's right.
No, I get it.
I get it.
And you know what?
CGI took the job of that little Japanese guy that used to get into the suit.
The monkey suit and the lizard suit.
That used to be a Japanese guy.
Because this Kong is way too tall, right?
He's, what is he?
100 feet tall?
Yeah, he seems like he's taller than a lot of mountains in the agenda.
Have you seen it?
No.
I just saw the previous.
So, you know, one of the problems that I had with, you know, setting Kong today is it's supposed to be on an island that's hidden by clouds and everything else.
And I thought my kids came back and I said, okay, so how did they solve the lost island thing with satellites everywhere?
They set it back at the end of the Vietnam War.
So satellites were just going up.
So that's how they found it is from a satellite.
So, I mean, it's like they're actually trying to get it right.
It is ruining movie plots.
We're never going to have another movie that's set past 1975.
Technology is ruining all these movies because you see that same thing with cell phones and all the plots.
Someone just posted something recently of all the plots of Seinfeld that would be ruined if cell phones were common.
Right.
And it was like a dozen episodes that are classics that would no longer exist because it wouldn't make any sense.
People, oh, I just get on the phone and do it.
And that just basics.
I mean, you go to really with all the spy stuff we're talking about last week, they can turn on your televisions to spy on you in your homes.
These movies are all going to be absurd.
Try this, try this emphasize.
Think about when Kong first came out.
When did we first discover Tyrannosaurus Rex?
1880s, 1890s?
I don't know.
There was nothing in the 1980s until we figured out they all died from asteroids until the next thing we find out that they died from right.
Well, global warming.
But find out when we first discovered here in the United States.
Now, think of this.
30 years before, and you don't have satellites.
You still are exploring the world.
There's half of the world that really hasn't, you know, these islands are everywhere.
We're finding new things all the time.
Then you find the Galapagos Islands, which you had no idea that this land that time forgot.
Then you find dinosaur bones in America.
It wasn't that hard to believe, I think, that there might be an island somewhere in America where these giant monkeys could live.
Somewhere in the world.
Yeah, somewhere in the world where you don't know.
We just found the bones of a Tyrannosaurus Rex we didn't even know lived on this continent, let alone lived just a few years ago.
Well, I mean, not only that, I mean, we still haven't exactly pinpointed where Bigfoot is from.
Okay.
Thank you for that.
All right.
Right.
Right.
So, I mean, probably still be out there.
Bigfoot probably played by a British actor, too.
Right.
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They go to Yahoo, they go everywhere you can, and then they just put that same password in assuming it's the same, and they get into everything.
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You guys follow what happened with Turkey and the Netherlands?
I was over in Thailand and I was watching the news over there.
It's totally different.
I mean, American news is just not the same.
Well, yeah, because they have the freedom as government-run news agencies to go ahead and tell the truth.
The first thing that jumps out at you is they're speaking some stupid language that you don't know.
They talk gibberish.
I know.
It's weird.
Speak English, man.
How does anybody even understand this?
Right.
It's deep.
That's a deep analysis.
That's all I say.
But I was watching it and they led, this is, what, two weeks ago?
They were leading with what was happening in Turkey and this referendum for Erdogan gaining more power.
And there is just this march towards fascism.
So Erdogan's trying to stir up support back home.
And so now he's going on a world tour.
And he was in Germany.
And he was, not he wasn't.
He sent the foreign minister to go speak in Germany to all of the Islamic communities from Turkey that have immigrated up to Turkey and got them all jacked up on basically fascism.
He tried to go to the Netherlands and the Netherlands turned the plane around because they said, we are not going to allow anybody who's going to try to hype people up on fascism into the Netherlands.
And so they turn his plane around.
He lands someplace else, gets into a car and tries to get across the border.
They stop him at the border.
He's in a bulletproof car.
So he just locks all the doors and he's like, I'm not getting out.
They're like, sir, you got to get out of the car.
I'm not getting out.
And they said, well, if you don't get out, we're just going to tow your car with you in it.
So he got out.
They put him on a plane and sent him back to Turkey.
And Erdogan said, try landing some of your Dutch planes.
Go ahead.
Try to land some of those planes from the Netherlands.
Let's see how this is going to work out.
So now we have two NATO countries that are at each other's throats.
That doesn't seem ideal.
It does not seem ideal.
Doesn't seem ideal.
Who was it that let Turkey in in the first place?
Yeah, that's a sketchy decision.
I can't remember how long.
It might have been.
Might have been.
Well, we're on this international turmoil.
The guy from Jordan that killed seven Israeli girls 20 years ago.
Kids, right?
Kids.
Yeah.
Released.
They released him a little earlier than expected by a few days because they wanted to minimize the celebrations.
Is he Palestinian?
He is, well, he's Jordanian, I believe.
He's received as a hero because he killed Jordan or in Jordan because he killed these seven Israeli girls.
And I will say that they did, it was, you know, was it justified?
I mean, I don't know.
They were reportedly mocking him.
So, you know, I mean, I don't know.
Do you get to kill the seven children over that?
I don't know.
It's a close call.
But Jordan says yes, apparently.
And I guess this is one of those things where, you know, well, Jordan said no, but some Jordanians say yes.
Many Jordanians say yes.
And but however, the king, the previous king, this is right after Israel and Jordan kind of had a coming together and it looked like they were optimistic for the future.
Then, of course, this guy does this.
The king went and actually consoled the Israeli families and what was a big moment at the time.
And then 20 years later, I mean, again, yeah, another two decades lost to this thing.
I mean, no improvement.
And now this guy who's murdered seven children goes to jail for 20 years and is released as a hero in his own country.
Incredible.
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Wrap your head in duct tape because it is absolutely going to explode when you hear Nancy Pelosi this weekend say this.
Well, she wrote Paul Ryan a letter, first of all, and in it, she said, the American people and members of Congress have a right to know the full impact of this legislation before any vote in committee or by the whole House.
Wait, can we go out in the time tunnel here for just a second?
Time tunnel, But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it away from the fog of the controversy.
Wait, wait.
We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it.
Yeah.
And now she's demanding that the American people have a right to know what's in the bill before it passes.
I'm going to be consistent here and say, I thought we should have known what was in it the first time.
I think we should know what's in it this time before they pass it.
I'm going to go a step further.
I think the people voting for it should actually know what's in it as well.
Yeah, there was also this from the gates, the gates closed, we'll go over the fence.
The fence is too high.
We'll pull vault in.
If that doesn't work, we'll parachute in.
But we're going to get health care reform passed for the American people.
Hang on, could you show me what Corey Booker said over the weekend?
The Republicans cannot just force this down our throat.
It's going to knock a lot of folks off, hurt long-term care.
Wait, can you just hurt over again?
The Republicans cannot just force this down our throat.
Now can you just see the second cut?
What did she say about it?
Go through the gates.
The gates closed.
We'll go over the fence.
The fence is too high.
We'll pull vault in.
If that doesn't work, we'll parachute in.
But we're going to get health care reform passed for the American people, for their own personal health and economic.
They've forgotten that we have something called audio tape.
Yes.
Digitized audio.
Yes, yes.
And it's at our ready disposal at all times.
Okay, so you want to talk about fake news for a second.
Try this emphasized.
Do you hear about the hacker in Russia that has released pictures and he has said, prove that they are doctored.
Now, he released pictures that we know are doctored, but he has hacked the code so he can erase the digital fingerprints of doctored photos.
And one of them is man standing on the moon wearing a Russian flag on his arm and planting the Russian flag on the moon.
And there's no way to tell if it has been faked or not.
Really?
Yeah.
So now.
Wow.
That can't be good.
No.
You literally will not believe images anymore, where we already don't believe images.
We've just dismissed everything.
But at least if somebody presents evidence, you can go into forensic testing and say, okay, this photo's been doctored because of the code.
You can tell where the code has been changed.
He has now changed it and found a way around the code so it will not leave any evidence of being changed.
I mean, it probably won't be used in a negative way.
No, okay, no, okay.
No, good.
No.
I mean, and of course, obviously, if some guy's doing it, the government has been able to do it for how long?
Or, you know, intelligence sources have been able to do it for how long?
So just make it illegal and nobody will use it.
I mean, sincerely, what is going to be real anymore?
What's going to be real?
Nancy Pelosi is on tape now completely contradicting herself and nobody pays attention to it.
Now add that we are so close to we apparently can doctor video or film and you will not be able to prove that that isn't you in that picture.
That's not me.
I wasn't there.
Well, you're in the picture and this there's there's no doctoring of this photo.
Neil Armstrong, he put the Russian flag there.
No, he didn't.
Well, he didn't doctor this photo.
I mean, really bad fakes from history, like the protocols of the elders of Zion.
Yes.
Have, you know, manufactured millions of deaths.
Yes.
You know, I mean, massive turmoil throughout the globe over fake things like that.
I mean, imagine what a really good fake could do.
Imagine.
Technology is going to be something to truly be feared if we're not careful.
Try this emphasize.
How would you feel if somebody could create a service where you could dump your email into it and private conversations into it?
It would be secure.
But the algorithm would search and it would try to make a digital replica of you through AI that you could write and it would write back and it would be a reflection of you.
That sounds like something that's years away.
It's here.
It's already here.
There is Eugena Kuda.
In 2015, she was working on AI and she had a friend named Roman who had passed away.
She wanted to talk to him.
She wanted to write to him.
So she took all of his email and dumped it into this program and it started writing her.
And she said, you know, I learned a lot about my friend, blah, blah, blah.
Then she started doing it with others and saying, why don't you dump this into this system?
And that way we'll have you and your relatives can write to you, talk to you, and we're just going to continue to hone it because this guy didn't do it before he died.
So if, Pat, you wanted to do this, you'll just answer a whole bunch of questions, very personal.
You'll include all of your email and every conversation that you can possibly include in this.
So it will have it.
And then it will recreate you.
And the people who are trying it are saying it's pretty darn close to how I would respond and pretty spooky that we're now starting to make a clone of you.
Well, how long before that happens?
And when you do have AI and you do have upload and download, like Ray Kurzweil says, which Ray says is now about 10 years out where I can download me, just put a jack in my head and download the way I process information, like Google.
It's what they're learning.
How does the world process?
This will then take how does Glenn process?
And you'll be able to have it and ask it any question and it will answer the way I would answer.
It will continue to keep up, but it will think on my patterns.
Well, wait a minute.
You have all of the images of me.
You have hours and hours and hours of images of me.
You have decades of audio of me.
Could a Glenn Beck in a fascistic world, you know, let's go to the movie, you know, let's go to the movie world for a while.
Is it that crazy of a movie script that in a fascistic world, a guy who was known could be completely recreated for television or for the internet and could continue to do his show, but then just have the government tweak because they killed him a long time ago.
But he's still now starting to lead the people in the way the government wanted to lead.
I mean, seriously.
Some of that technology kind of exists because you look at the last Star Wars movie, for instance, where the general who played the original general on the Death Star in 1977 is featured prominently throughout the movie.
And he's been dead for 22 years.
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And I mean, a lot of people say, oh, I could tell immediately.
And I couldn't.
I could with Carrie Fisher.
Carrie Fisher looked because she looked bad.
He was bad.
It just sounds like she's so familiar that it was, and I obviously seen her.
She's bad.
I've seen her currently.
So it was easy for me to tell.
But I mean, you know, I have a lot of people.
But it's a very short time.
He is, he, I thought he was a little bit of a shit.
But you could also match the personality and inject that into the image.
Yeah.
And not just personality, thinking process.
Right.
So, you know, if you could, I mean, we are not far away from being able to have a conversation.
Remember, what is this test called?
They talked about it.
Maybe not.
I was thinking they talked about it in the imitation game.
I think they did.
It's a test that he came up with, that you ask a computer, you know, a series of questions.
And at some point, it's for consciousness.
At some point, you won't be able to tell the difference between, you won't know if you're talking to a living being or a computer.
And we are really close to that.
When we cross over to that, what happens?
Don't tell my stupid car that never can tell that I just want to make a phone call through the voice recognition that we're close to that.
My caller car is not.
Tune radio to 109.4.
It doesn't even exist.
Why would I want to do that?
But I think maybe one of the end games here, or at least there's never an end game, I guess.
But the next step is we just don't care because we'll be so convinced that anything can be manipulated.
that these things don't matter.
Remember, like John Kerry's campaign was basically derailed, not completely, but largely derailed by, I voted for it before I voted against it.
It was such a crazy moment.
No one could believe he said it.
It was in every ad in that campaign.
These things happen 50 times a day now.
Because of all the recording devices, because of social media, every politician is constantly shown to be a complete hypocrite.
And we keep saying, you know, we go on the air every day and we say, like, will you believe what Nancy Pelosi said two weeks ago compared to what she said currently?
This is amazing.
No one cares anymore.
There's no weight to that moment anymore because so many people are shown to do it all the time.
You're turning to politics.
No, but I'm talking about what you're saying.
You said, well, what if people could manipulate what I say?
They have all this video.
What if people don't care what you say?
What if people have no, there's no weight on whether you're, whether you were a fascist or not?
Well, here's the problem.
Right now, we're moving in the opposite direction.
Studies show now that what is it, 90% of the American people get their opinions from someone else.
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They have not done any homework.
They listen to somebody like me and they're like, you know what?
He's close to me.
I like that guy.
He thinks the way I think.
And they don't think it passed whatever it is that person said.
And this is not a left or right thing.
This is all people.
They're starting to formulate their opinions on things just based on what the people, not on any facts, just on what the people they trust say.
Glenn, how else could you explain the vast changes of opinion by 40 and 50% of groups all because the parties have changed?
Okay, so here.
And that's again, I know I'm relating it to politics.
Let me explain that.
May I explain that one?
Because there's three new studies out that talk specifically about that.
I'll give that to you here in a second.
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All right.
So Stu said right before the break, what could explain people's, you know, just change of opinion?
Everybody just flips sides.
Listen to this.
And it's exactly what you think, Stu, on what will change it.
Three studies have come out now.
And we have developed a moral aversion toward political opponents.
And it compels us now to make any choice that will keep us on the right team or help our team win.
And we will adopt positions that we otherwise, big and small, that we otherwise would never hold.
For instance, one of the examples, you go into an ice cream shop.
It's election day.
You discover that the ice cream shop is filled with either Clinton supporters or Trump supporters, whichever one you oppose.
And as you come up to the counter, your favorite flavor is red velvet.
And when you order to real to me, too, when you order red velvet, the person behind the counter says, oh, everybody here.
That's everybody's favorite flavor.
You now are more likely to say, yeah, you know what?
I don't want red velvet.
Can you just give me double chocolate, please?
Wow.
Three studies.
Whatever they think, whatever your opponent thinks, you are now conditioned to think the opposite.
They did another test.
This is called, I guess, the stroop effect.
People are asked to see a single word and asked to name the color in which the word is printed.
When the color and the word matches, for example, red printed in red, the task is easy.
When the color and the word are incongruent, red printed in blue, the task is harder.
People feel an impulse or an urge to accidentally read the word.
This urge interferes with the task of naming a color.
But it becomes more difficult for people to do.
It's a stroop effect.
So they were looking for the stroop effect.
And this, again, is Jonathan Haidt.
And they did a moral blind for people on alternative viewpoints.
So what they did is they said, I'm going to name some consumer choice and you tell me what you like.
As far as preference for car color, forest green or silver, vacuum brand, Hoover or the Dirt Devil.
After each answer, the participants were told how a majority of other participants answered the same question.
Sometimes they said, oh, you know what?
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The group, you know, you're a Trump supporter.
All the Trump people said Dirt Devil too.
Other times they said, oh, you know what?
The white supremacists say Dirt Devil too.
That's weird.
Oh, all of the Clinton supporters say Dirt Devil.
And what they found is they would say that and they would say, Hoover or Dirt Devil?
And you would say Dirt Devil.
They say, wow, you know, all of the white supremacists say Dirt Devil.
I'm sorry, what was your answer again?
The majority of people changed their answer and pretended that they never said dirt devil.
That's where we are right now.
We're in our own little group and our own little bubble and we refuse to move out of it.
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We are truly a society to really watch.
There's a lot of crazy stuff going on with us as people.
And we're now looking at studies.
And one study I just shared, it was actually three studies that showed the same thing, suggests that we are willing to change everything if we think that it puts us in a wrong group.
If it puts us in a group of people we don't like, we will change everything.
Now, Stu found another study.
Well, it's just interesting a way that our society is polarizing.
We've obviously talked about that before.
This study shows that we are more polarized than we've ever been in American history.
And the election kind of Civil War points that out.
I mean, it said at any time.
Yeah, I mean, who knows if maybe they didn't study the Civil War period, but this goes back just, you know, a few decades.
But look at the way this is changing.
What they did is they looked at counties.
So county by county across America, and they looked for what percentage of counties are essentially blowout counties.
So you have a 20, 30, 40, 50 point margin in each individual county.
So the people who live around you are basically of the same mindset.
You're seeing 80, 20 elections, right?
So you could break this down a bunch of different ways, but this is in 1992, the amount of counties that were 30 point margins, 30 point margins, there was about 17% of counties had 30-point margins, real blowout elections.
That's slowly risen until this last election where it went from, so 1992 was 17%, 2016, 42%.
Oh, my gosh.
I mean, that's an incredible increase.
In fact, now over 20% of counties are 50-point blowout counties.
50 points.
I mean, that is incredible.
And you go to now, over 60% of all counties are 20-point blowout counties.
So again, the chances of you being around someone who's like-minded to be incredibly high.
That's the problem.
We don't live.
You know, you go to Denver.
You can live in, you know, I don't even know where that is a real conservative part of Denver.
You can go to Boulder, which is very, very liberal.
And no conservative wants to live in Boulder.
Well, I mean, what are we doing?
We could sit here and say that we complain about it, but you're hearing a show that comes from Texas that used to come from New York.
And then there's a reason for it.
It makes life better.
But I understand that it creates real problems.
Yeah, that's not why we move.
That's part of it.
It is part of it, but that's not the real thing.
You're sick of getting hit with eggs in the face on your walk to Fox News.
Yes.
And that's not the same as what the average person goes through.
We're an exaggerated example of that, clearly.
But still, I mean, I think people tend to do that.
How many people have called this show over the years and been like, I got to move to Texas?
We had just won something the other day.
We say, I want to move Texas or Idaho.
I'm thinking of moving.
The other choice.
And then they were trying to figure it out.
You want to go to people that, you know, consider, that understand your viewpoint.
And I don't think that it's the problem that people have talking to people who disagree with them that are rational and ask, as you've always begged for, honest questions.
We are so convinced now that the other side doesn't ask honest questions.
And by the way, we're right in that analysis a lot of the time that we just want to get away from it.
And so are they.
And so are they.
So are they.
Sure.
But I say that you go further than that.
We are convinced that the people on the other side aren't even kind.
They're not even, they're not even, they're not good people.
Great new study here that kind of shows that people aren't nearly as nice as they think they are.
They did this study in Great Britain, but I'm sure this applies to Americans as well.
Not as nice as they think they are.
That's an interesting study.
So maybe you should pay attention to that.
Mr. Stubbs.
Oh, please.
We're the nicest group of people around.
Shut your fat mouth.
See how nice he was?
He didn't say anything about the rest of your body.
He just said your mouth was.
I just narrowed it to your mouth, your fat mouth.
That was generous.
You could have said, oh, my gosh, look at you.
You slob, but I didn't.
Now you have.
Oh, thank you.
No, but I saw only as an example.
But that time you did.
You didn't mention his mouth.
Right.
Still kind of.
Only as a kindness example, Stu.
Anyway, go ahead.
Now, according to the psychologist from Goldsmith's University of London, they've discovered that 98% of British people think they're part of the 50%, the nicest 50% on the planet.
So the question was, are you part of the nicest people on the planet?
98% said yes.
They were given.
Of course, everybody wants to be.
That two percent of the people.
Did you answer that, though?
Is either really evil or just suicidal.
Or just super honest.
Maybe they know they're cranky.
And they were given a list of nice behaviors and asked which ones they do.
So the most frequently carried out nice behaviors were giving directions to strangers, holding doors open.
I do those things.
I do both those things.
I do that both of them.
Giving up seats on public transport.
Done that a lot.
I've done that.
But two-thirds of people admitted that they rarely, if ever, help others carry heavy shopping bags.
I've done that.
Five-sixths of people infrequently give money to strangers.
I've done that often.
And only a couple of people.
I got yelled at often from Stu and mean people like him who turned out to be right, but let's not tell on that.
And only a quarter of people give blood to help elderly or infirm.
I don't know if I've ever given blood.
I've given.
I've tried to give blood.
They won't take my blood.
It's too pure.
It's too good. It's too.
No.
I don't think they were.
So they said blood for being true.
Same thing they said to me.
We can't have superhumans.
You are in a category all of yourself.
I don't think that happened.
And Jeffy Years was clearly pure heroin.
They were saying it was in blood.
Yeah, there was a couple letters ahead of pure when they talk to me.
You give half a pint from him.
It's not something like that.
It's like when he says, hey, I just want to give a pint.
He actually means like a, it's just like a pint of whiskey.
It's just a little stronger than that.
Well, if you try to draw blood, all you get is gravy.
Right.
So it's not very helpful anyway.
Very kind of you.
Thank you.
Very kind of gravy is something good.
Gravy is delicious.
Gravy is delicious.
You sure are in the top 50% of niceness.
I know.
I know.
So how would you answer that question?
Of course I'd say yes.
Of course.
Everyone says yes.
Everyone say yes, says yes.
And of course, everyone can't be right.
And we all know that's not true.
But I mean, that's the funny thing you see with, it's something like, it's over 90%, I believe.
Maybe it's in the 80s, but it's something right around 90% of people who believe they qualify as the middle class.
So people who are poor say they're richer than they are.
And people who are rich say they're poorer than they are.
And everyone thinks they're in the middle class.
And it's like, well, they're not.
The middle class doesn't mean anything if we're all in the middle class.
You have to first define middle class for them.
Exactly.
And then, of course, you can realistically say that they're not even.
But that's really good.
That's good of us in some ways.
That's a really good thing in our country.
Yeah.
So we all kind of see ourselves.
Unfortunately, we're so blind to our lifestyle that that could lead to a real problem on charitable giving and things.
If you're wealthy, you're me or whatever, and you're like, yeah, well, I'm in the middle class.
No, no, you're not.
It's something I try to tell my kids all the time.
You have a very different life.
The minute you move away from daddy's house, you're going to see the real world.
And so if people who are on the upper end of the scale think they're middle class, they don't recognize necessarily the suffering, especially in the lower class, because then they will look at the lower class as what?
Upper middle class?
Look at these poor people.
But I think a lot of people who make really good money don't consider themselves wealthy.
You just said, who just gave that stat?
I did, yeah.
Yeah.
Give the stat again?
It's something like, it's around between 80 and 90%, I think.
No, they identify with the middle class.
They think they're just like everybody else.
But I don't think that means that they don't consider other people.
They just don't consider themselves.
Right.
And I think we vilified the rich enough that people who are rich don't want to be identified that way.
They don't want to think of themselves in that category.
They want to think of themselves, oh, I'm just like everybody else.
And they are just like everyone else in a million different ways, but probably not income.
And a million different ways they're not.
Right.
They all have pictures of George Washington on those million different ways.
Well, yes, that's a fair point.
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And they just did some missile testing off the coast of Japan, and they say that they could carry these missiles to our waters.
Russian hacking that could be less about our privacy and more about taking down our electrical grid.
ISIS using Mad MAC style tactics wherever they encounter Western forces.
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Hey today, 727 BBCK.
I have to tell you a story about a couple of good friends of ours and somebody who works, he's the general manager of this program, Dom Theodore, and his wife, Jen.
They were out on Friday night and in a head-on car collision and a pretty bad one.
Jen just has a broken nose.
Dom was seriously injured and has a broken hip.
And he is going to be in a rehab center, they say, for three to four months before he'll be able to fully recover.
He's a guy who has, you know, kidney issues and everything else and has just been struggling so hard just to stay healthy.
And this is a massive setback for him.
What is so amazing is the woman whose fault it was apparently was texting.
She walked away.
She's fine today.
She's back at work today.
They totaled the car head-on collision.
She apparently swerved into the other lane because she wasn't paying attention.
And she's at work today.
Somebody else is possibly affected for the rest of his life.
And, you know, I had a lot of thoughts this weekend of, A, God, can you cut him some slack?
Can you give him a break?
Because he's really been struggling for a very, very long time.
And he's one of the nicest guys.
And so is his wife.
Just one of the nicest guys I know.
So nice, he probably wouldn't put himself in that top 50% if he was asked.
Are you the top 50%?
No, no, no.
He's that kind of nice guy.
And I thought about the driver a lot this weekend.
Has she even considered That her checking that email has affected somebody's life that much.
They had nothing to do.
They had nothing to do with anything.
And she was checking the email.
Yeah, you know, they have the scare tactic PSAs that air.
Like they used to have the, you know, this is your brain on drugs, classic example.
The ones they have, at least they were running a couple of years ago, were really effective on the texting because it was the people who were either debilitated because they got in an accident because of the texting or family members of people who had died just reading the last text that they were sending as they got.
And it's like LOL, be right there.
Like it's just all nonsense, like completely worthless stuff that leads to these things.
And those are pretty effective, I think.
You know, it's hard because, I mean, you know, it's, yeah, I'll just take my eyes off the road for a second, but this is what happens.
Really bad.
We ask for your prayers for Dom and Jen Theodore.
Really just a great, great family.
Thankfully, she was driving and she's okay.
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So what's happening with Obamacare repeal and replace?
What's happening with the tax cuts, the infrastructure spending, a trillion-dollar infrastructure bill?
What's happening with the intelligence community saying, 24 hours, President Trump, let us know what the, what, you know, what do you have that shows that President Obama was spying on you?
Please produce your evidence.
And if so, Congress will investigate that.
But we can't find any evidence of it at all.
What's happening with that?
A guy who knows?
A guy who's in the middle of a lot of it?
Mike Lee joins us right now.
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I will raise my voice.
I will hold your hand.
Cause we have won.
I will be my drum.
I have made my choice.
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Senator Mike Lee, who is at an airport getting ready to board a plane.
We just were glad that you would take the time to hop on the phone with us.
How are you, sir?
Doing great.
Thanks so much, Glenn.
Good.
Let's get to Obamacare repeal and replace.
This thing is nothing like what the Republicans were promising us they would do.
Nowhere even close.
Do we have a chance of getting something good out of this?
Sure, something good can come out of it.
What happens, whether something good comes out of it and the extent to which it might be good, depends entirely on how members of Congress handle this in the next few days, on how they choose to cast their votes.
Now, look, you're right.
What we promised was to repeal Obamacare as much of Obamacare as we possibly could, and then to start trying to find new ways to put the American people back in charge of their own health care.
Well, what this bill does is it doesn't repeal nearly as much of Obamacare as we could.
It leaves all kinds of things intact.
It leaves most of the Obamacare regulations in place.
Many of the Obamacare taxes remain in place, at least for a time.
It leaves expanded Medicaid intact for a period of time and then doesn't make as many adjustments to it long term.
Meanwhile, it comes up with a new refundable tax credit, which we don't know the cost of yet.
We don't know how many people are going to take it.
There are a lot of unanswered questions, which begs the question, why are we not just repealing?
Why are we not just passing the same repeal bill that Republicans in the House and in the Senate voted for in December of 2015?
That's what I'd like to see.
Mike, is it true that you can't just repeal it unless you have 60 votes?
You can't do it through reconciliation with just a full repeal.
There is some ambiguity as to how many of the insurance regulations of Obamacare could be repealed through reconciliation.
So there's an open question on that.
But we do know that we could repeal all the taxes and all of the subsidies and possibly some of the regs through reconciliation.
We know that because the reconciliation bill we passed in 2015 repealed all of the subsidies.
Why aren't we doing all the subsidies?
Why aren't it?
That's a very good question.
That's what I believed that we were going to do.
That's what many of us were told otherwise led to believe.
Why aren't we doing it?
He said it was a good question.
There are those in Congress who chose to take a different path.
Now, I can't speak for them.
I can't speak to what their intentions are.
I think the easiest, simplest way of explaining it is they had other priorities that they wanted to attach to this, priorities that were perhaps higher than simply achieving repeal, at least to the degree that we had.
Can you give me our 2015 bill?
Can you give me an example of what might be more important than what you promised the American people?
Okay, so here's how I think they would explain it.
And I want to be clear.
I'm always careful not to try to speak for someone else.
But I think if they were here with us, they would probably say, look, we don't want people to be in a state of too much uncertainty and doubt.
We don't want them to be afraid.
We want them to have a degree of confidence about what comes next after Obamacare repeal.
And so we want to provide a soft landing spot for them.
And that is so important.
It's important enough to them, apparently, that they're willing to go a little softer on some of the repeal and provide more programs through this bill right now.
The problem with that is it's not going to pass and it probably shouldn't pass until they can answer more of these questions, more of these questions about why we can't repeal more of Obamacare than this bill does.
And the other problem with that, Mike, is that that's not what they promised us.
That's not what they said they were going to do.
They didn't say, well, we're going to think about this and provide a safe landing spot for people.
It's going to take a really long time.
We're going to not repeal every.
It was repeal and replace.
That's what they ran on.
That's what they were elected to do.
And now, again, as so often happens with the Republican Party, they're not doing it.
Frustrating.
That's right.
By the way, I love the Kermit the Frog imitation that both you and the West do.
Thank you very much.
That's what happens when you're best friends since 1989.
Well, he has, in fact, been the spokesman for the AHCA.
So, you know, it's appropriate that we use his voice when doing this.
But no, you're exactly right.
This is what we ran on.
This is what we promised.
Now, to my great dismay, to my great surprise, on many instances over the last week or so, we've had legislators from the House and from the Senate somehow saying that this bill, the AHCA, is somehow what we campaigned on, what we ran on.
Well, that's news to me.
That's news to me because we've had this bill for only a few days.
This bill has been in existence for only a few days.
Well, it's news to me if we somehow ran on this specific bill, a bill, the score of which we still don't know.
We still don't know how much this thing is going to cost.
We still don't have any idea how many people are going to take this refundable tax credit and therefore how much it's going to cost.
So that's news to me that that's somehow what we ran on.
What I remember that we ran on was that we would repeal every scrap of Obamacare that we possibly could, the whole thing, if we could get away with it under our procedural rules in the Senate.
And that's what we should be doing.
We're talking to Senator Mike Lee.
And every time you're on, Mike, I like to ask you the nerdiest, most boring, uninteresting question to say.
So please keep this answer short, please.
I apologize in advance for this.
But when the Bush tax cuts were passed, they were passed under a reconciliation.
And because of that, they expired after 10 years.
Would the same thing happen here if we repeal all these Obamacare taxes in 10 years?
Are we going to be talking about the expiration of the Obamacare repeal?
And then is it going to be back into effect again?
No, not necessarily.
In fact, almost certainly not.
Good to see.
of the fact that we were dealing with uh... taxes in that circumstance who rather than something else so that would be a thought it was a tax was the only reason it was constitutional Wasn't that the tax versus fee?
Wasn't that a big conversation back with Roberts?
That was in your pocket or something.
I'm sorry, I didn't hear that question.
Can you say that again?
Good.
No, no, okay.
No, let's just move on.
No, let's move on.
Okay, so Senator, let me ask you about the Intelligence Committee has given the president until like this afternoon.
They say they can't find any evidence that Barack Obama was spying on Donald Trump and to present some evidence and we'll go pursue that.
Any indication that he's going to present that evidence?
And is there any reason to believe that he couldn't present the evidence if he had it?
Okay, that's a good question.
As to the first question, I have no idea.
I would love to see what the evidence is.
I'm wildly curious about it as to whether he could present it.
That depends on what the it is.
I'll tell you, my first reaction to this when I very first learned about the tweet, my first reaction was he's probably not talking about a traditional wiretap where somebody actually goes to a judge and the judge orders a phone line to be tapped.
Perhaps he's talking about a foreign intelligence surveillance court order issued pursuant to section 702 of the FISA amendments, which would say, you know, here is an identified agent of a foreign government.
Let's monitor this person's communications.
And that there might have been some incidental communications with some U.S. citizens, perhaps including people who were involved in one way or another with the campaign that incidentally got pulled into that.
That was my first reaction, is that that seemed like the most plausible possibility.
If in fact it's that, there might be some reasons why he might be reluctant to share that or he could share it with the intelligence community, could he not, or the committee?
Yes, because they've got the clearance to do that.
So there's no reason why he couldn't share something like that with them.
They've got clearance to see pretty much all of that.
But as far as his ability to share that publicly, that would seem less likely if my theory is correct.
And there's nothing that the president can't get, right?
If he said, I want to show it, but this agency won't let me have access to this.
Everybody in the Senate would be like, okay, we need to see this behind closed doors, but you will open these books or whatever it is that he's saying the evidence is.
There's nothing the president couldn't get to, is there?
I assume so.
Because, and look, he's the commander-in-chief.
There's nothing that he doesn't have access to.
So if he can back this up, if he knows what it is that he's referring to, there's no reason that I'm aware of why he couldn't come up with something that he could produce through these intel committees.
Now, whether he will choose to do so or not is a different question.
Perhaps there are those close to him advising him, hey, you don't have to do this if you don't want to.
But that requires rank speculation.
Why wouldn't you?
If perhaps he didn't want to set a precedent that he could just be required to answer questions every time the intel committee wanted to hear something.
But I would think in this instance he would want to, particularly since these questions are going to be raised from time to time.
Stimulus Package Concerns00:04:34
Right.
And in this instance.
We're talking about national security.
I mean, we're talking about something that he's accused another president of doing.
And if that president was doing that, that needs to be stopped.
Yes, yes, exactly.
And that's all the more reason why I suspect he'll provide them with what they want to know, because you're right.
Look, this is one of the things I've been worried about for years.
And I've expressed this concern on your show previously.
But if you remember, the Church Committee, the Frank Church Committee back in the 70s, conducted a series of hearings to look into abuses by our intelligence gathering agencies.
And what they concluded was startling, which was that in every administration from Ford, from FDR through Ford and Nixon, who was in power at about the time they concluded their research, that the U.S. government's intelligence gathering apparatus had been used to engage in political espionage.
Now, look at what's happened since then.
Our technology has improved dramatically.
Our technological means of gathering intelligence have grown by leaps and bounds, and our laws haven't always kept up with that.
And so to me, it would be almost surprising if some of this were not occurring.
That's why we need to be watchful of this.
That's why I was concerned immediately when I saw the president's tweet was because I considered it plausible, if not likely, that this kind of thing would be going on.
One last question.
Let's go to infrastructure.
The GOP went out of their gourd, and I believe rightly so, for a stimulus package for roads and bridges and tunnels and everything else for $787 billion.
I remember that number.
It's burn-seared into my memory of $787 billion.
Now the president is proposing a trillion dollar stimulus package, and the Republicans are very excited about it.
Can you tell me what made the $787 billion stimulus package an affront on the Constitution and this one a dream come true?
Well, I can't point to any distinguishing characteristic between the two as to why this one would be good and that one bad.
In fact, look, when I look at the Constitution, I see that powers of Congress being limited, there are the enumerated powers, most of them in Article 1, Section 8, and they talk about things like the power to provide for our national defense, to declare war, to regulate trade between the states with foreign nations and with Indian tribes.
I don't see anything in there that says that it's the prerogative of Congress to create all infrastructure.
Now, look, it's one thing if we're talking about an interstate corridor here or there, but it's another thing entirely if we're talking about wholesale, top-to-bottom, soup-to-nuts transportation infrastructure, even intrastate projects.
I think whether we're talking about under the Obama administration or any subsequent administration headed by a Republican or a Democrat, I think we've got to look carefully at what we're doing there.
Not every transportation infrastructure is necessarily outside of Congress's authority because some of them do involve a distinctly interstate function.
But where they don't, we've got constitutional problems.
Mike Lee, always good to talk to you.
Thank you so much, sir.
Appreciate it.
Thank you very much.
It's good to be with you.
So positive.
Yeah.
Thank you very much.
Boring is snot.
I love him.
He's saving my hope in the entire country right about now.
He's so good and so smart.
And, you know, he's just tickled pink by, you know, I love, I love because you know he's accurate.
But when you're talking to him and because he's like this all the time, well, I mean, in section 508, subsection B, paragraph 4, you'll see.
And he did that like four times during this.
You just have to get used to that's the way he is.
He's that kind of thing.
And that's why he is so good and so needed in the Senate.
I want to give you this from the New York Post today.
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Bank fees rise to an all-time high.
The average customer now pays $666 a year in banking fees.
Right?
Right?
This is how it happens.
The overdraft revenue from the top three banks has surged from $5.1 billion to $5.4 billion.
That's what they make if you overdraft.
$5.4 billion.
Does anybody remember that we're providing them?
It's a service that we're providing them as well.
We're giving them our money so they can loan it out to other people?
No, they don't care anymore.
The service fees are going through the roof.
No one seems able to stop them.
We now have countries that are going cashless.
Why?
Because it will trap your money in these banks.
You won't be able to withdraw it unless they say you can withdraw and you can only withdraw a certain amount.
That allows them to charge you whatever because you can't take your money out of a bank.
The cashless society is coming.
So what have you done to prepare yourself for trouble or a cashless society?
Nobody's saying put everything in stocks or land or food or gold or whatever.
Would you consider putting 10% of what you have into gold and spreading the risk out?
I don't know how things are going to shake out.
But boy, when I started saying these things 10 years ago, I couldn't have imagined how crazy it would be and we're still taking it.
How much crazier is the world going to be before finally the world snaps and says, okay, enough.
And when it does, what does that mean?
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Mercury.
This is The Glenn Beck Program.
We're just talking about David Leonard in the break.
He is a cranky old get off my lawn kind of guy, but he has been since he was, you know, for a long time.
Yeah, he's been this way for 20.
I contend.
He got worse, though.
He got worse.
They say, I mean, he was bad enough to begin with as far as not being a nice guy.
But after he started losing to Leno, it was not good from then on.
And he wasn't happy with anybody.
What was the story about Mel Gibson?
Oh, when he was doing late night, one of their guests canceled at the last minute.
And so his producer, Barry Sand, was able to book Mel Gibson.
How do you book Mel Gibson at the last minute?
Pretty amazing.
So he went to David and said, hey, we got Mel Gibson.
It's like, who the hell wants Mel Gibson?
I don't want Mel Gibson.
So they booked, I don't remember the guy's name.
Kamar, the discount magician instead.
Ah.
Kamar, the discount magician.
No, he's much better than Mel Gibson.
Much better than Mel Gibson.
Hey, that's the guy I want.
Who wants Mel Gibson when I can get Kamar, the discount magician?
Right?
Am I right?
But that's Letterman.
Right.
That's Letterman.
So I found a gamer watching the Dave Rubin report on Friday.
I found this guy who's a gamer who lives in San Francisco.
Libertarian, but a conservative libertarian.
And he's fascinating.
Called him up.
He's on next.
Stand by.
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All right.
So I am on Friday.
I supported Sam B for her joke, which was awful, and she felt terrible about it.
And she apologized.
She reached out personally, all of that.
And my point was, this joke police stuff has got to stop.
It wasn't right when they were doing it to us.
Why are we doing it back?
Well, I was persona na gratis for that.
On Twitter, I'm just the most evil man ever.
And then it came to my attention that there was somebody else on the conservative side that was in trouble for a joke.
On the day without a woman, Colin Moriarty texted, ah, peace and quiet.
So now the left didn't like that at all.
And so I tweeted support and I said, as I supported Samantha B, I am also supporting Colin Moriarty.
Stop with the joke police.
Of course, it doesn't matter.
Can we actually engage and be thinking human beings for 10 minutes?
Can we do that?
Colin Moriarty joins us now.
He's the co-founder of kindofunny.com and he's a gamer.
And welcome to the program.
Colin, how are you, sir?
I'm well.
Thank you so much for having me.
It's very surreal.
I appreciate you taking the time.
And why do you say it's very surreal?
Well, my father and I, you know, well, I grew up with my father listening to the talk radio and kind of listening to all sorts of people.
And when I told him I was going to be on with you, he said he got chills actually because we used to listen to you and watch together.
Oh, that's wild.
That's wild.
Well, I am so glad that you've joined us.
I saw you on Dave Rubin's show and was fascinated by you because you say you're a libertarian, but you're also a proud conservative.
And if this was visual, you're all tatted up.
You live in San Francisco.
And I can't imagine, it's one thing to say a libertarian, another thing to say conservative in San Francisco.
How's that going for you?
Not very well, as you can see.
But yeah, but no, I kind of take, you know, I think the good parts of both sides, and I think even the good parts of liberalism, to come up with some amalgamation that makes sense to me.
So I think socially, I think I'm very libertarian.
In fact, I think I'm more libertarian than many progressive liberals.
But at the same time, I believe in the Constitution.
I believe in deference to the founders.
I believe in a small government that stays out of your business.
The thing is, is that I mark those all together.
So a government that stays out of your business to tell you you can have a gun, for instance, is the same government that I think should stay out of your business if a man wants to marry another man.
And I think that's where my libertarianism comes into play.
That's why, Colin, it's why I was in this strange position 10, 15 years ago of saying, look, morally, my religion teaches one thing, but my constitutionalism tells me I have no place to tell anybody who can marry and who can't.
The government should be out of this entirely.
Don't affect my church, and I won't affect your marriage.
Just leave each other alone.
And that creates some really strange bedfellows that we're currently trying to chase out of the public square.
And that's the answer.
I agree with you.
I mean, you know, this is where I think people have a hard time identifying people like me, Glenn, because I'm actually an atheist, but I grew up in a Catholic household, a very devoutly Catholic household.
And you have a, you know, people of faith have a great ally in me because I believe that faith is a good thing.
I believe it's good for polity.
I think it's good for people to have faith in something in a higher being.
I just don't.
But I would always protect to the very last a person's right, for instance, to believe.
Just because I don't believe doesn't mean, as you said, you can't believe.
And so I also respect, you know, I'm pro-choice, but I respect the pro-life argument.
I think it's a very principled argument.
I think it's good that there are people out there that are challenging my beliefs.
And so, you know, this is kind of the confusing thing, this kind of thought policing uh that's happening, this very, you know, I'm considered an enemy to liberalism, even though I share many of their values because I believe the government should stay out of your business.
So I'm the enemy.
Isn't it strange to see how people have flipped on almost every point just because their guy is not in office?
Now liberals are concerned.
They're concerned about executive orders, but they weren't under Obama.
And now the people who were concerned about executive orders under Obama are fine with it now.
It's crazy.
To me, I agree with you.
It's insane.
I mean, I, you know, as people that listen to me and know me, I go off on politics often.
And, you know, I was disgusted with the Republican Party.
I was a registered Republican.
And I, you know, I'm not a Trump fan at all.
I was sickened by how people took what I thought Republicanism was and morphed it into something that it wasn't simply to win.
And to me, that's not principled.
And I'd rather lose and retain my principles.
So when it was clear Trump was going to win here in California, we vote very late, as you know.
I voted for Kasich as a protest vote, and then I disavowed the party completely.
That doesn't mean I'm a conservative.
I'm sorry, that doesn't mean that I'm not a conservative.
It means that I think that the conservative principles and the free principles that we stand upon were actually kind of taken away by people that don't really share our values.
And it seems like it's all in the name of winning.
It's all in the name of being better than the other side.
There's no one talking to each other.
There's no gray area.
It's just all orthodoxy, and it really makes me sick.
So help me out on what conservative, because I don't know.
I mean, I know what republicanism means now.
It means the same exact thing as being a Democrat.
It means I'll do whatever it takes and whatever I have to to win.
But conservatives, what does it mean to be a conservative?
I mean, you're 32 years old.
You're out in San Francisco.
You're a gamer.
You do a gaming kind of blog.
So who are the people you relate to?
What does that word even mean to them and to you?
Well, I think, as you said, things are changing.
And I think we're at an inflection point.
And to me, conservatism simply means, in my mind, and everyone might have a different opinion on this.
I'm sure they do, a deference to the Constitution.
If the government can get out of something, it should get out of something.
If the state or the local or state government can take care of something over the federal government, I think that that's ideal.
To me, it's personal freedom, responsibility, the right to succeed and the right to fail, and the right to express yourself freely without having to worry about being called a bigot or being called a sexist as I was for making a silly joke.
And I'm glad you brought that up specifically because there are so many people that play video games.
There are so many people that enjoy entertainment that don't have anyone speaking for them.
The video game industry in the United States is out of San Francisco.
The media, which I come from, I used to be the senior editor of the biggest video game website in the world.
And two years ago, I quit to do my own thing with my friends.
But it is exclusively liberal.
I am the only real conservative voice out there in what I would call mainstream media.
Obviously, there are people on YouTube that do that as well in the gaming space.
And you'd be shocked about how many people talk to me every day and are like, you are the only person I can relate to.
I'm a gun owner, for instance.
You know, I'm not, but they're saying I am a gun owner, for instance, and I would be ridiculed and labeled by these other people, but you support me, or I'm a man of faith.
I'm a Christian, or I'm Jewish, or whatever it might be, and you don't judge me for that.
And so I think that there's a conservative bent to gaming and a conservative bent to, you know, or an independent bent or a libertarian bent to those things that people support.
But what I'm asking you is, does the word conservative mean any the word itself?
Because what you're saying is, to me, conservative has been so bastardized that it doesn't mean anything that we almost, and this is not the right word because it's so misunderstood, but almost classic liberalism.
Because I think, you know, everything is, I hope, and maybe this is wishful thinking, you would be able to tell me.
Is anybody in San Francisco waking up to the point of, hey, safe spaces is a restriction on speech, and we're really starting to go down the roads of fascism.
And it's really kind of the progressive side that's pushing hard for it.
Yes, there are some people, and I want to keep it in the scope of reality.
You know, there are people here that are waking up.
That said, only 10%, and I'm not saying a vote for Trump is a good thing, but just as an illustration, only 10% of San Francisco voted for Trump.
So you're dealing with a very hyper-liberal society here in San Francisco that supports those things more than anything.
But there are people, even in the gaming industry, that are waking up to this and think this stuff is so silly.
And Glenn, I've expressed it in the past.
I went to Northeastern in Boston and I studied American history.
And I couldn't imagine, you know, I graduated in 2007 and I couldn't imagine being in college now where people are restricted.
I took a bunch of classes on Nazi Germany, for instance, or the Civil War, the bloodiest conflict, as I'm sure you know, as you're very learned, in American history.
And I couldn't imagine how they might teach those things now to kind of placate people or to make sure that they're coddled.
And so, yeah, there are people waking up.
But what's disappointing to me is I'm one of the only ones speaking outwardly.
And I'm the proxy for a lot of people that are afraid to talk.
They talk to me.
People at gaming companies, all the way up to CEOs of game companies, down to the lowest trenches, as I told Dave, will talk to me and tell me, I believe what you say, but man, I'm afraid to say it because they're going to get ridiculed in the public population.
So then what makes you, what do you say to people like that?
What makes you heroic and them not willing to do something that is now considered heroic?
I think, you know, I try not to judge anyone for that.
I think that there's a real fear for people's jobs.
These people have families.
They don't want to be, you know, basically blacklisted from the industry.
as people have, you know, by de facto kind of tried to do to me over the years.
And as you see, you know, with this joke, people came down.
I mean, no one's offended by that joke, Ben.
I don't believe that joke.
I agree.
Nobody's offended.
They see an opportunity.
They see an opportunity to take down someone that speaks a different language than them.
So to me, I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
No, go ahead.
So do you.
I was going to say, so to me, it's just, I understand people's fear, but I'm also kind of getting exhausted by being their proxy because I know they're out there.
And, you know, I was so happy that a few people came to my defense in such a way.
And people that are not even conservative, a buddy of mine, David Jaffe, who is a well-known game developer, he makes the game, he was responsible for the games Twisted Metal and God of War.
These are very big games.
Came out and said, like, what is, you know, basically, I'm just kind of paraphrasing, but what is everyone's problem here?
So there are even people on the left.
He's a very liberal person that are concerned about that as well.
But, you know, San Francisco specifically is as cartoonish, if not more so, than people think it is.
Hey, I would be, it would be wrong of me to have you on, and because a lot of people that listen to you don't like me because I have said, quoting Colonel, I'm trying to remember his name.
He wrote on killing.
And he is one of, he is the leading expert on killing and has developed all of these programs for the Pentagon to be able to get people to have a positive shooting experience.
How do we get guys to shoot when they first get off the back of an airplane, et cetera, et cetera?
And he has said, and his research shows, that video games help break down a mental wall that allows, they don't make you into a killer, but they break down a mental wall where it makes it easier for you to kill.
And that is somehow very controversial for me to even say.
I don't believe video games make you into a killer.
I think you have something inside of you or don't have something inside of you.
But it does break down a wall.
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Do you want to tell me off for that?
I want to give your fans an opportunity to say, yeah, all right, you told him.
I mean, I have no interest in telling anyone off for a differing opinion or whatever like that.
But to me, I'm not an expert in it.
I haven't read the work you're talking about.
What I will say is that it doesn't believe belief for me to say if a person plays Grand Theft Auto V and he might already have some pre-existing mental condition or some pre-existing propensity, as you said, to do something already, that running around in a car, murdering people with it might set that person off.
Is that possible?
I'm sure that it probably is.
But I try to keep the numbers in balance.
This is actually a similar argument to what I use with the right to own a gun, which is to say Grand Theft Auto V, which is a very violent, very provocative game, has sold 70 million units around the world, one of the best-selling games of all time.
If there are five people that play Grand Theft Auto V and go on it and go on to kill someone because they were inspired by that, I know it sounds kind of strange, but that's a really almost mathematically insignificant number of people, if that makes any sense.
Similarly to a person that has access to a gun, should we, none of us have access to a gun because a mentally unstable person has access to a gun and kill them?
So I always defer, you know, it's like the old Benjamin Franklin quote about you defer to liberty over kind of security in that regard.
And so I take a similar stance there.
Can something like that set someone off?
Of course.
I'm sure that's possible.
Colin, I'd love to talk to you again.
Colin Moriarty, he is the co-founder of kindofunny.com.
And it's great meeting you.
Really great meeting you.
Thanks, Colin.
I appreciate it.
Thank you so much, Colin.
I appreciate it.
The amount of time I killed playing Twisted Metal back in the day.
Oh, my God.
If I had those days back.
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You know what's really interesting is Stu and I were talking.
Some of these people come on and they it's almost and I'm not saying this about Colin, but we've had other people that almost want to make a point of, yeah, I'm conservative, but I'm not on this and this and this because it's out of fear.
I want to make sure nobody puts me into that box.
The same stuff Colin was talking about, right?
Yeah.
I mean, with the people he's talking to in San Francisco.
Yeah.
And so they appear to be the opposite kind of who they are.
They're almost a sheepish or apologetic conservative.
But again, like I said to Colin, I don't know what it means to be a conservative to the general public.