Donald Trump and Alex Jones clash in a MAGA civil war, with Trump labeling Jones, Carlson, and Owens as traitors over Iran nuclear claims and fake CNN polls. Jones counters that Trump protects Epstein allies like Howard Lutnick, accusing the former president of aligning with neocons while suffering from dementia. The hosts reflect on InfoWars' pivotal role in Trump's 2016 victory before his deplatforming, ultimately suggesting this internal fracture exposes deep ideological rifts within the movement. [Automatically generated summary]
We're going to get into a few things today with y'all.
Of course, covering the Trump attack on my father and my father's response and the Melania Trump drama at the White House with the whole calling for the Epstein people to go to Congress and to have their testimony heard publicly.
There's a lot to discuss today, Tim, but I've been a busy day.
Well, I mean, like, he just listed off people he listens to, right?
So, of course, he'd come out and do something like this.
And it's very disturbing because, and I saw Owen, or maybe it was Harrison, I'm forgetting at this point, describe it very eloquently.
Let me remember how they put it.
What's disturbing about it is it's not Trump going, oh, like, if they had listened to me, their careers wouldn't have been trash.
It's not like him saying, oh, I could have helped you, but you turned me away.
I'm the kind guy.
It's like, ha, ha, ha, F you.
It's like super aggressive, super cruel.
Super dirty to the people that really, and I have a clip showing this, like help get him elected, right?
Like my dad was a crucial part of that first coalition that pushed him over the hill, beating Hillary.
So it's just, it's so crazy to me to see people online that literally got online, like either five minutes ago or got online during COVID try to tell us, try to like grandstand to us morally about like, oh, well, like you, you, you're not MAGA, you're, you're a traitor, you're a liberal.
And I'm just like, it's just very funny to just watch this play out.
And then, like, Anthony had some really good points to back it up.
And I mean, these people call in, and it's just, I mean, you kind of know what to expect.
And sometimes you don't know what to expect.
By I was disappointed, I always get the civil people coming on, I don't get an ability to, you know, no, no, no, because you're talking about this like, oh, this is some wonderful thing.
These people have brains made out of rock, like you could do like a carbon dating study on like the granite that's inside these people's heads, it's a real problem.
And you know, like that's the thing I've been grappling with, the thing I was discussing with Keaton as well when I was on Due Dissidence.
At some point today, like a couple hours ago, I know why Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens, and Alex Jones have all been fighting me for years, especially by the fact that they think it is wonderful for Iran, the number one state sponsor of terror, to have a nuclear weapon, or it's wonderful for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, because they have one thing in common low IQs.
Or Megyn Kelly, who nastily asked me the famous only Rosie O'Donnell question.
Or crazy Candace Owens, who accuses the highly respected First Lady of France of being a man when she is not, and hopefully win lots of money for the ongoing lawsuit.
Actually, to me, the First Lady of France is far more beautiful than you think.
All right, can we get Wes?
It's a little bit of an ask.
Can you just pull up an image of her and the image of her?
All right, so right here we got about a 10 out of 10.
Okay, like this is like she would reject clavicular and just like spit in his face, you know, like this is what everybody wants, apparently, according to Trump.
Now, you might say, oh, well, she kind of looks like an orangutan.
They put a blonde wig on, but that's not important.
Not anymore, and it's keep just keep the tweet up while we talk.
And this is the thing that I've been telling you, man like, there's no like if you're anti war at all, if you oppose the administration at all, like they're gonna attack you, yeah.
Like, there's no like you have to be a total like Benny Johnson, like licking the boot sycophant.
So, bankrupt Alex Jones, who says some of the dumbest things, lost his entire fortune, as he should have for his horrendous attack on the so called families of the Of the Sandy Hook shooting victims.
Sandy Hook shooting victims, ridiculously claiming it was a hoax.
These so called pundits are losers and they will always be.
Now, fake news, CNN, the failing New York Times, and all the other radical left news organizations are hailing them and giving them positive press for the first time in their lives.
They're not MAGA.
They're losers just trying to latch onto MAGA.
As president, I could get them on my side anytime I want to.
These are like, if you think of the top three things that I voted for, and this was me coming someone from the left moving to the right, it was immigration, it was inflation, and the third one was war for me.
Okay, those three things, not in that order.
I knew Biden was going to take us to World War II.
Three and I was like, Kamala's just going to carry that same agenda.
President Trump, you promised to never let me down.
But now you've let yourself and America down.
There's still time for you to turn back and stop listening to your never trumper enemies.
Thursday, April 9th, 2026, just an hour or so ago, President Trump on Truth Social put out this long post, one of the longest, if not the longest, I've ever seen, attacking myself, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Marjorie Taylor Greene, you name it, and just demonize the living hell out of us for challenging him, saying he would destroy an entire civilization in one night, never to come back, the definition of genocide.
And he's told us Mark Levin is his brain.
Mark Levin wants nuclear strikes on Iran preemptively.
Israel's calling for that.
This is madness.
And I was there 10 years ago supporting him against Ted Cruz when nobody else really in Texas was.
I was there when they had Crossfire Hurricane coming up against him, he was the first to tell him about the illegal spying.
I was there when I got sued by the Paul Weiss law firm with their whole fake show trial Sandy Hook garbage, the same law firm suing him.
I was there and went through all of it with him.
And I was so supportive in the last campaign and thought Doge was so amazing.
And then Elon Musk left and said he's in the Epstein files.
And everything started going sideways.
Now he's given glyphosate protection, and the list goes on and on.
It's a true nightmare.
But I support the old Donald Trump, not the new Donald Trump.
And now his own wife today, unannounced, reportedly he didn't know, came out and said I was never in a relationship with Epstein.
We predicted they were trying to blackmail Trump with fake rumors of that that aren't true.
Bill Gates' wife, Melinda Gates, Melinda French now, coming out and saying, I'm not associated with Bill.
Melania said that we need to see the women come forward.
Epstein is real.
We need congressional hearings.
But Trump said a whole bunch last year and this year Epstein's a hoax.
There's nothing there.
His own FBI director and deputy director said it's a hoax.
He didn't even have accomplices.
He wasn't even a human trafficker, even though his girlfriend, Gillespie Maxwell, is in prison.
Human trafficking.
So Trump is in free fall.
This is an absolute nightmare.
The Democrats are capitalizing on this and they absolutely love it, but it's Donald Trump's fault.
And to people that got on the wave, that truly got on the wave, and this is why they make the accusation to us, they say, oh, You're just a MAGA grifter and you're getting off because it's comfortable for you.
They say that because the MAGA paradigm, the Trump paradigm, is all they've ever known, where we had stuff decades before all this happened.
If somebody is about to murder you and your entire family and ask you guys to all jump off the cliff at the same time and you know this person's been lying to you, do you jump off the cliff with him?
With our populism, our nationalism, our Christianity, our conservatism that's spreading across the world in the fourth turning.
Because Trump sailed in, rode in like a surfer on this wave.
He didn't create the wave, God created the wave that we're all on right now.
So let's go over this ridiculous post he did and just grieve that the old Trump we knew is no longer there.
Hopefully, he comes back from the dead and rises like the phoenix.
There's hopefully still some hope.
Even today on my show, before this came out, I had a Christian pastor on talking about how we should openly still pray for him and hope for the good.
You'll see him as like a battle axe against the globalists, our weapon we should take back from the control of Israel and the neocons and get back in line with his original mission.
And I pray that's still the case.
But as bad as he is, as corrupt as he's gotten, the insider trading, all of it, I'm really glad he's differentiating and saying, You're not with me, because I'm not with you.
I don't want to be at your cool, corrupt kid, Howard Ludning, Jeffrey Epstein class table.
Thank you so much for delineating that I'm not with you, a sinking, burning ship.
The left attacks me and says, Oh, you admit he was bad the whole time.
He made a mistake.
No, we got a lot of good done with him.
I'm proud of the fact I went through hell to support Trump.
But I have integrity and I will now stand against this new Trump, who by the day becomes more demonic, more twisted, and more sick.
Let's go over this crazy, true social post.
I know why Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Candace Owens, and Elk Jones have all been fighting me for years.
Tucker, months ago at the White House, saying how great he was, especially by the fact that they think it's wonderful for Iran, the number one state sponsored terror, to have a nuclear weapon.
I don't support Iran, I don't support the Middle East.
The Pentagon on assessment said 92% chance it would fail would be regime change.
They closed Trader Remoose.
You look like a fool, which happened.
Because they have one thing in common low IQs.
He thinks you protest too much, Trump.
They're stupid people.
Yeah, stupid enough to have your enemies all around you, like Mark Levin, never Trump.
They know it.
Their families know it, and everyone else knows it.
He then quotes a fake CNN poll that 100% of Trump supporters support the war.
Look at their past.
Look at their record.
They don't have what it takes.
You know, when I read this, the crew had a consensus.
I talked to them separately.
I think Mark Levin and Todd Blanch, a Democrat Party lawyer, wrote this.
Look at their past.
Look at their record.
They don't have what it takes, and they never did.
They've all been thrown off television, lost their shows.
Yeah, Tucker with the highest ranks at the time it was, and aren't even invited on TV because nobody.
Cares about them.
That's why you're writing about us.
They're nut jobs, troublemakers, and will say anything necessary for some free and cheap publicity.
Now they think they can get some clicks because they have third rate podcasts, but nobody's talking about them and their views are the opposite of manga.
So you have a 70 year old man living in the 19th century.
It's like the 1920s saying, oh, that Henry Ford, he doesn't know anything about these cars are going nowhere.
So, to give people a little bit of like timeframe knowledge and like scene knowledge for like a decade ago, InfoWars had about 2.8 million subscribers on YouTube and was pulling in, I think they had 3 billion views at the time that they were deplatformed.
They were crucial to Trump getting elected the first term.
All the people you see now, Whether that's the quartering, whether that's Steven Crowder, whether that's any one of these like milquetoast fence sitting influencers, like Tim Pool, for example.
I'm not going to attack Tim Pool as much.
I've been very mean to Tim Pool, but like he is an example.
All these people that had like 200, 300K, 75K, whatever, they filled the void that was left when we were removed from the ecosystem in 2018.
So I look at it almost as like kind of like a stolen valor thing when these people like talk about stuff and are like, oh, Well, you need to listen to us, and it's like, Oh, yeah.
I was like, If you guys were at 2.8 million, this was at like YouTube's like infancy stage, like this is in like 2015, yeah.
They would have had you know, if this whole kind of censorship campaign didn't come out, they would have you guys would have had probably like not, I wouldn't say Mr. Beast, you would have been like 10 plus million, like the Daily Hot Wire has, and more, yeah, probably by far, yeah, and like.
We have been through so much, and the only thing we ever asked for, we never said we were the greatest, most moral people in the universe, but we said we want a fair opportunity to compete in the marketplace of ideas, and we're going to play by the rules.
Like, we're going to be patriots.
All we want to do is cover the news.
And because we did that in a way where we didn't have to take sponsorship money, we weren't pushing an agenda.
It was literally, it's what you've discovered coming to the studio.
Cause, like, here we have total autonomy and, you know, we cover whatever we want.
I do my deep dive on whatever I want.
And I asked Ress, I said, hey, you know, is your dad going to come in, make sure that, like, we're in line, that we're not going to say anything outlandish?
Like, are the producers going to give us something?
He's like, no, none of that.
And so, my experience, even before we started the American Journal, the very first time we went on there hosting the war room, They were like, What do you guys want to talk about?
And people were asking me, What clips do you want?
What videos?
What can we help you with?
And so all of that support was just kind of they're there to support you and make sure that you have the best show possible.
It's the inverse of like a traditional network show where the network, like show host, is just kind of like a cutout and they do what the production team tells them to do.
They read off the teleprompter, they're taking orders in the earpiece, the whole thing.
They're literally just a puppet.
Whereas it's the reverse.
It's literally a radio talk show, but on TV, Where the shock jock, the person on the mic, is running the entire show and is using the production team as a resource to get more done.
The thing is, is like the Infowars office has bred champion after champion after champion of patriotism and liberty and pro America thought.
And the reason for that is because to be good enough to have a show on the network, to do a program on there, you have to have your own zeitgeist and your own political ideology and mentality and just like forward motion for what you want to get done.
Because no one there is going to give you an agenda.
No, nobody there is going to be like, Oh, you got to cover this today.
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Or I would have won the presidential election in a landslide.
Again, because they have third rate podcasts, but nobody's talking about them, and their views are the opposite of MAGA, or I wouldn't have won the presidential election in a landslide.
All the studies show it was the podcasting bros made you win.
MAGA agrees with me.
Oh, you're a fake CNN poll.
And just gave CNN 100% approval rating of Trump.
Oh, yeah, 100% of Trump supporters support the war.
All the other polls say 85% are against it.
Not hand flailing fools like Tucker Carlson, who couldn't even finish college.
He was a broken man when he got fired from Fox, top raids when he did, and he's never been the same.
Perhaps he should see a good psychiatrist.
Or Megyn Kelly, who's nastily asked me that now famous only Rosie O'Donnell question, or crazy Candace Owens, who accuses the highly respected First Lady of France of being a man when she is not, and when hopefully wins lots of money in the ongoing lawsuit.
Actually, to me, the First Lady of France is far more beautiful.
And Candace, in fact, it's not even close.
Or bankrupt Alex Jones, who says some of the dumbest things and lost his fortune as he should have for his horrendous attacks on the families of the Sandy Hook shooting victims.
Top of the line for this, for sure.
Ridiculously claiming it was a hoax.
These so called pundits are losers.
Hey, Trump, the Paul Weiss law firm, the main one that sued you and came after you, is the one that had the show trials and claimed I did these things I didn't do to end the First Amendment.
It was to take me out because I was supporting you.
The failing New York Times and all these other radical left news organizations are hailing them.
And giving them positive press for the first time in their lives.
Trump, CNN has like 70,000 viewers an hour.
I have that on individual radio stations, 400 plus of them.
I have tens of millions of viewers and listeners today.
I don't care that CNN has jumped on board and has amplified what we're saying.
They do that because they know we have credibility with the general public because they're against you.
I was not against you until you became a tool of Israel and started promoting nuclear war and total insanity.
So, you quote CNN saying you have 100% approval rating for the war, then you say they're totally discredited.
Again, that's incongruent in your own post.
This is idiocy.
The failing New York Times and all the other radical left news organizations are hailing them and giving them positive press for the first time in their lives.
They're not MAGA.
They're losers.
See, this shows how Trump wants positive press for the corporate media.
I don't.
They're not MAGA.
They're losers trying to latch on to MAGA.
As president, I couldn't get them on my side anytime I want to.
But.
When they call, I don't return their calls because I'm too busy on the world and country affairs.
I've not been calling you.
I don't want to meet with you.
I mean, like eight months ago, the White House, I didn't go.
After a few times, they go nasty, just like Margie Taylor Brown, but I no longer care about that stuff.
I only care about doing right for our country.
MAGA is about winning and strength, and it's not allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons.
MAGA is about making America great again, and these people have no idea how to do that.
But I do because the United States is now the hottest country anywhere in the world, President Donald John Trump.
Down to the left, America was sold out.
You were doing a good job on that.
Now your recovery is in great danger with this trade of Hormuz closure, which you said you didn't care about, but you're like, open the fucking straight.
And now you're a laughing stock with what you've done with Iran, literally outflanking you and manipulating you.
So Trump doesn't want to fight the Democrats.
He doesn't want to speak out against them.
He wants to attack his most loyal supporters who want the old Trump and not this new horrible Trump.
And that's what this comes down to.
So, Trump, you've got Lindsey Graham and his bubble wand when he's not stalking kids at Disney World.
You've got Laura Loomer, the ultra creep that eats dog food on TV for money.
You've got the Israeli operative Jonathan Pollard 2.0 and his sidekick Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin.
Now that you're done, we're putting your ass out to pasture.
You're done.
You've destroyed your legacy.
Massive insider trading on the war, all the rest of it.
And I will continue to expose whoever's corrupt, whether it's you or whether it's the Democrats.
But in closing, I legitimately think Trump approved of this post, but I think reading it, Todd Blanch and Mark Levin wrote it because this is exactly everything they stand for and they are so pissed off.
And they are mad that the majority of Americans agree with us that we shouldn't destroy our old civilization and commit genocide.
So that's what this comes down to.
And so Trump has finally imploded because of the stress.
I believe he has early onset of dementia.
Wow.
And so now, more than ever, he should take off some time, but we should pray for him.
And if he doesn't get his mind right, we have to support impeachment on the 25th Amendment.
It's just that simple.
Trump is now a clear and present danger to this country.
And the world.
He has gone completely insane, and a huge weight is off of me because I got nothing but lawsuits and hate and hell and attacks supporting Trump.
But overall, he was challenging the globalists, so I supported him.
I mean, President Trump, we've seen so many insane statements from you.
You came out last week and said, We don't worry about daycare and Medicare and Medicaid.
We don't have money for that.
We're a war economy.
The opposite of what you ran on the last 10 years.
You know, I just like, we'll go back to the video in one second.
I just like have to sit down and like catch my breath and like really think about these things because it's like the guy goes up there and it's like, do you think he really believes his own lies to a certain point?
Like, is he so narcissistic that it does not matter and he's just a compulsive lie?
This is what you have to, you've ever seen the Truman Show?
All right, we got some homework because you got to watch Idiocracy and you got to watch Truman's show now.
Truman's show, so Truman, he's inside this movie world where he's the main character, but he doesn't know.
So he's got a fake wife, he's got a fake job, he's got fake everything.
But he finds out about this, right?
And the movie is him trying to escape out of that town, eventually meeting like the director of the show once he makes his way out and he chooses to live for himself.
And we've been amazed at the outpouring of support.
And we just we love you guys and we want you to just have as much like there's as much availability from us on our end for like how often y'all want to hang out with us during the week.
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Yeah.
However, how, yeah.
However, we do it, we want to do it to be like more involved with you guys.
That way we can have conversations.
We can like do, I'm thinking we do things like watch parties for like people who are part of like the private community.
The American Journal was a real and is still a real sink or swim experience where we're getting that professional level to where, Tim, I feel confident when you're going to be in these future professional environments in these studios, you know what a professional studio is.
You know how people are supposed to behave.
You know what's expected of you, the host or the guest.
But the thing that makes it different for you is you legitimately wanted to come in and you wanted to get smarter and you wanted the audience to get smarter.
Is it makes everybody confront their own misinformation and their own biases because we're all talking about these things.
We all have an opinion, whether that's economic collapse, whether that's war, whether that's geopolitics, you name it, whatever event you want to talk about.
We kind of have these opinions that get formed over time, uh, just based on all the information we've consumed.
Before doing all this media stuff, I came from a very different like upbringing.
I grew up poor, you know, world's smallest violin, all those types of things.
But I also was around like a different environment where I was exposed to like very affluent people, but I was like poor.
It was very weird.
I just, I was in between and I got to see world in contrast to where like I didn't have the silver spoon, but I could see that side of the world, how people operated there.
I also, you know, went from being in like, you know, Heavy congested city to like living in the middle of Kansas with nothing going around.
My whole thing, my whole ethos of like my whole life was like, I didn't want to stay in one location and just keep myself in a bubble.
What I realized as I traveled outside of where I was born, and I've lived in probably six or seven states now, is that everybody was, they had more in common and not just like in the political aspect, but just even mannerisms, life, the same stores, everyone goes to the same things, they have the same life experiences.
And so what it made me realize.
Was everyone sitting there fighting all the time?
And I was like, I have these unique angles that I would just, I wanna bring something to the table to at least nudge humanity in the right direction.
And for me, what it was, was I wanna expose the paradigms.
I wanna expose the things that people have been rooted and seated in for their entire existence and have never challenged a belief system that they had.
That is the most dangerous thing, right?
Not challenging your beliefs because.
Everyone gets it wrong.
I get it wrong.
Rex gets it wrong.
You know, obviously, Trump gets it wrong, no matter who it is.
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We were so united back in the 50s.
I wish I grew up during that time period.
But, you know, I had the privilege of also being born in today's generation.
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