Nate Collin and Rex Jones dissect the Middle East conflict, revealing how religious feuds over Abrahamic land claims and colonial border-drawing fuel a survival war where nature is amoral. They analyze Israel's delayed response to October 7th, internal tensions between secular soldiers and ultra-Orthodox groups, and the hypocrisy of U.S. nuclear negotiations regarding 440 kilos of enriched uranium. The discussion critiques media narratives on Iran's casualty claims, Tucker Carlson's CIA investigation, and concludes that without a decisive win condition like securing the Strait of Hormuz, the war will persist until only one side remains. [Automatically generated summary]
And we've done, you know, things where we have show hosts on, we have experts on, but we're going to talk to someone who has on-the-ground knowledge of kind of the conflicts and discussions we've been exploring.
So the guest that we have on tonight, his name is Nate Collin, business owner, buddy of mine that I most recently met.
Fascinating story.
Just he's got a lot that he knows about.
So he's a dual citizen of Israel and the United States.
A lot of the time on the show, we typically try to have, you know, big giant marquee guests and subject matter experts at the same time.
But also, we want to mix it up by having kind of like other perspectives too, especially people who have a different experience than the average person.
That's an element that is missing a lot in society right now.
We're not bringing a dialogue from everybody.
Like, if you just go on the internet right now, it's just, you know, of course, everyone wants to criticize Israel, but like we don't ever get to hear from the citizens themselves very often, besides the ones that are like Zionist and just super outspoken.
The guest coming on is not like a Zayo or anything like that.
He's very based in some of the things, and he has his own opinions, of course.
For instance, Iran, working in close coordination with the fake news media, shows our great USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier, one of the largest and most prestigious ships in the world, burning uncontrollably in the ocean.
Not only was it not burning, it was not even shot at.
Iran knows better than to do that.
The story was knowingly fake in a certain way.
You can say those media outlets that generated it should be brought up on charges for treason.
I want them executed because that's the punishment for treason.
For the dissemination of false information.
The fact is, Iran is being decimated.
And the only battles they win in quotations are those that they create through AI and are distributed by corrupt media outlets.
The radical left-wing press knows this full well, but continues to go forward with the false stories and lies.
That's why their approval rating is so low.
And I can win a presidential election in a landslide, getting only 5% positive press.
They have no credibility.
I am so thrilled to see Brendan Blah Blaw, chairman of Blah Blaw, looking at FCC, looking at licenses of some of these corrupt and highly unpatriotic news organizations.
They get billions of dollars from America, blah, blah, blah.
And we lived there for about six years before they ultimately moved back due to my father's business.
He was a general contractor and such.
And we kind of ended up staying here since then.
But living there for an extended period of time definitely gave me, I don't know, maybe a little bit of a perspective on things, right?
A lot of people, their concept of Jews and Israel and Judaism is based largely off, I wouldn't even say propaganda because, you know, a lot of it is true to an extent, but just content that we see circulating online.
And I think that sometimes the perspective of someone kind of living there on the ground, so to speak, might help people kind of put the pieces together a little bit more.
No, this is fascinating to me because I want to talk to everybody, and that's the purpose of our show.
It's why it's called the gray area.
Because we say this all the time on the show, it's usually there's not a Star Wars story of like the rebels and the evil empire.
Usually it's somewhere in the middle and everyone has their own interests, but no one really talks to the people on the ground, the citizens of these countries.
And like we, we certainly have issues with our government.
Do we not?
A ton of them with the boomer plague and all of it.
So it's going to be interesting to talk to you and other people eventually, you know, about these things as you have experience on the ground.
Yeah, so it's one of my mother's favorite stories growing up on how we ended up making citizenship there.
But we were obviously struggling with the embassy.
We were, if I remember correctly, just a couple weeks of getting kicked out of the country.
They thought we had essentially been Christian, converted to Judaism to try and make citizenship, or as they call it, Aliyah, right?
And so my mother was moving some boxes around in a room where we had storage just in our house.
And she noticed the letter float down, like a piece of paper and slide underneath the boxes.
And she was about to walk out of the room, but in the back of her head, she said, nope, I got to go, you know, pick it up, put it away.
So she went, she picked it up, and it was an old letter from a box of her grandmother's letters that I guess she had inherited, you know, over the years, just kept with her and brought with her overseas for the move.
And she opened it up and it was a letter from somebody that we came to know as Saba David or Grandpa David.
But I believe he was my mother's great uncle.
And he was a tank commander in the Six Day War when he was about 16 years old.
And he's kind of a big deal over there, I guess, sort of speak, as far as like a legend goes in the military and the government area.
He one of the main things, I guess, that kind of pushed him to the forefront of stuff there was one day his whole squad was going through an area full of landmines and only his tank and one other made it out.
So he was kind of, yeah, he was one of the nut jobs that made things happen, right?
So she decided to look this guy up and she reached out to him and contacted him and he was still around, right?
And he made a couple calls and helped get our paperwork and everything pushed through.
And we ended up connecting with him after that, right?
And ended up maintaining a relationship, I guess you could say, while we lived out there.
So it was kind of cool to watch it kind of go full circle.
And they have a program called the Lone Soldier Program is essentially what it translates to.
But it's like a housing program.
We get a lot of people coming over trying to make citizenship, whether it's like estranged people from Europe, Russian Jews, German Jews, et cetera, right?
It's common for guys to come in that don't have family or anywhere else to go.
They want to join the military, get citizenship and have a place to live.
So this program provides housing.
And it took a couple months, just like any government program does, for it to activate and kick in.
And there was going to be anywhere from a three-week to a three-month period where we were going to be out of the country.
My older brother had nowhere to live.
And this random bank teller told my mother, here's my number, have him call me tomorrow.
He can live at my house.
And my older brother ended up living with this woman for a little over three months, rent-free, food paid for, you know, everything, because everyone's had that experience, right?
Everyone's had a son who's had to go through.
Everyone's had a daughter who's had to go through, right?
So it's ironic in a sense that, you know, they'll put a brick through your window if you cut them off at the stoplight.
But at the same sense, you know, but when it comes down to it, everyone has each other's backs to an extent.
Well, then there's also the aspect of like, you are literally always at war for the most.
And there is, you know, to the Israeli people, they see these Arab countries as outside, you know, enforcers, despite whatever, whatever is has actually done to invoke that, right?
Because we're going to those things as well, because Israel isn't innocent at the end of the day as well.
Think of like driving home in the evening with your parents listening to the news 1010 wins or 77 WABC, you know, like one of these talk shows, and they do traffic every minute on the 15 minutes.
Think of how they would announce an overturned tractor trailer.
That's how they're announcing rockets landing, suicide bus bombers, right?
Like it would be common.
It's almost like everyone knows someone at a minimum who knows someone who's either experienced the situation firsthand or helped clean it up because something went off around the block and everyone started running to go help, right?
So it's just sort of ingrained in the culture to an extent.
All the military service is a little different.
Nobody's, you know, if you have somebody that goes into active duty here and they get stationed at a branch, even in the United States, it could be thousands of miles away, right?
Everyone's coming home on the weekends.
It's more like going to a community college type deal, right?
Like where you're staying on base during the week for your work and then you leave and you come home.
So everyone's carrying, you know, firearms all over the place.
With that being said, with the 12-day war and the conflict that's going on right now, the war that's going on right now, America and Israel, do you know people on the ground that have been in these situations where like the missiles are coming in and you're in like the shelter or the bunker or anything like that?
Like what, what is what is that like for people that you may know or may have heard of that have been involved?
We called it a green card, unrelated to ours, but it's a photo ID.
That's where your information goes into the system and the countdown starts.
So as long as you leave the country before they get that, you're not in the system yet, right?
But if I were to fly back, it would pop.
So I have stayed in touch with some people, not so much, you know, speaking on even a day like daily or weekly basis.
But from what I'm seeing as far as just on their social media posts, et cetera, it's kind of normal to an extent, right?
It would kind of be like the free when the freeze happened in Texas and people are talking about some neighborhoods got hit with no power, no water, elderly people passed away, right?
You know, who's cousin what?
It's kind of the same sort of feeling socially, I guess you could say.
So, granted, when I lived there, I was a lot younger, right?
But there was a very, very, I guess you could kind of say general consensus socially as far as not supporting it goes.
Like, I have distinct memories before we came back while my older brother was still in, uh, where they were doing the Gaza pullout.
All right.
So, we can keep on going further back, but let's say in the early 2000s, what is now currently Gaza, right, was in control of Israel controlled that, right, by the IDF.
Now, people can call it a military occupation, whatever it was, but there were a number of Israeli settlers, people, residents, right, that lived there.
And there was a consensus for whatever reason that we were going to hand over this section of land.
And everyone socially, you know what I mean?
As far as just walking around, talking to friends, family, neighbors, you know, the common folks there, nobody supported this.
Everyone said we were bringing danger right up to our door, right?
All they had to do was start digging tunnels, getting underneath.
It was going to be a jump-off point for multiple attacks.
Now they could reach further inland with different rockets and types of strikes.
And it was going to be a problem.
And the resistance was so powerful that a number of guys in the military, the morning they called everyone in and they were going to send them out to the Gaza pullout to forcibly remove the Israeli citizens.
The way the troops form up is in a shape like this.
It looks like a horseshoe and it's called a khet is what they call it.
So the troops form up and the commander stands in the middle and speaks to them.
And when they informed the units who was going where, a number of guys stepped forward and actually shot themselves in the foot to avoid going because they knew their own faith, you know, they're not going to forcibly drag their own family and friends out of the area.
So it's interesting now for me to have that memory and now see that exact same thing happening.
And everyone's saying, oh, well, we're, you know, they're going to ethnically cleanse it or they're going to, they're just bombing all this different stuff going on.
But as far as the Israelis go, like your normal average, everyday secular Jew or Israeli, nobody supported any of that.
So now that, so now that that highlights something, because there's a long time period in between where they withdrew and then you had the Hamas basically control the region.
And then, of course, we know October 7th happens.
Now you have family, your brother served.
I'm sure you have conversations with, you know, family.
What was that experience like as, you know, like, what was the attack goes on the 7th?
Yes.
What, what would you, I'm sure you knew where you were.
The, the easy, if I had to describe it in one emotion, it would probably be anger, obviously, right?
Is what most people are feeling.
But it is incredibly difficult for me or any of my immediate family or anyone that I know that has spent any sort of time over there to understand why it took so long for them to get a response.
Well, that's the thing is like our militaries are extremely similar, right?
Like we use basically the same equipment, right?
And my dad had a Green Beret on his show and he was talking about it.
He said, listen, like if I was there and I was at the helicopter base, it's nearest towards that section of the border, I would be there like pumping like a let out the 15 minutes.
So I almost it, if I'm gonna draw a comparison, just to kind of summarize the whole thing as far as Israel and being Jewish and everything goes, is to equate it to something people understand is I would say America and Christianity, right?
We would say America is a Christian country, right?
Presents as Christian, we have in God, we trust on our money, etc.
Now you can dive into that and tear that apart, obviously, but that's sort of like the globe of representation of us, right?
Now, in Christianity, I would say there's classes, right?
So over there, secular Israelis and Jews don't even like them to give you an idea to the point where like people will throw rocks regularly, chase around.
It's encouraged.
You know what I mean?
Like it's very common to see groups of secular Jew kids like chasing the religious Jewish kids if they walk through the neighborhood at the wrong time.
It's very, very common because the way it's felt about over there is the secular Jews pay taxes.
They serve in the military.
They keep the country running.
The religious Jews don't do any of that other than beg for money for their yeshivas.
They live off the state, off welfare.
They're very close sect.
So religious Jews that don't serve in the military see secular Jews as less than and converted Jews as even less than.
It's like almost like if you're a beggar, you are a second class citizen in the eyes of an American almost.
And it's like how like it's encouraged if you are.
And maybe I'm not equating this correctly.
Like I, when you talk about them just not having to pay anything and they just go around and they're getting free, it's the way you described it to me was almost like they were begging.
And when the guys would come up and ask for money, he'd go like he was going to put money and whack him in the hand with the glassbreaker, right?
To give you an idea.
Now, this is a guy who, you know, fought in the six-day war, was a decorated military veteran of the country, ultimate patriot, I guess you could sort of say.
And they are the ultimate elitist version of Judaism, so to speak, right?
So, you're you're you're considering yourself more elite, but you're doing things that would make you here in the Western society almost like you're you're you're you're poor, correct?
If I'm not, yeah, it was it wasn't like uh militarized to any extent, you understand what I'm saying, any more than the rest of the country was.
Now, if somebody from the U.S. went and just drove around the country, it came for a week, right, and stayed, you guys would feel like you were in a military zone.
I'll give you an example.
Um, you walk into a grocery store, right, or you go to the grocery store when you drive into the parking lot.
The security officer stops you, right?
There's a checkpoint at the entrance to the parking lot, they talk to you, look around the vehicle, um, do a little racial profiling, right?
See if anything looks suspicious, maybe check in the trunk, and then they let you through.
By the time you park and you go to walk inside to the place, there's another metal detector, they make you empty your bag.
Think of like going through TSA, right?
You essentially go through a lighter, sped up version of TSA everywhere.
That's walking into a McDonald's, walking into a grocery store, the movies, the mall, a restaurant, anywhere, right?
So, I don't want to misspeak and say it seemed normal, but comparatively, it wasn't anything worse off, right?
As far as the conditions of everything go now, the way it's they live as far as like the religious Jews go there is very, very uh closed off the exact same way here.
They have their own little private communities.
Um, they're generally not the cleanest, right?
They don't have municipal trash pickup or anything like that, right?
Um, it's you would almost kind of feel like you were walking through an area of Rock and County, New York.
I mean, we're in Elvis Country right now, it's just not really a thing where you have these communities, but you go up on the east coast and like it's pretty prevalent, right?
Yeah, yeah, very prevalent, like South Dallas would be like the closest, like true uh, like Austin doesn't really have a true like hood hood or something like that with a lot of like you might consider Southeast Austin, but absolutely, but that gets nothing in comparison.
And I, I, I also don't know if this is uh drawing a false equivalency either, but just from what I've noticed, is there these types of communities seem to be more prevalent in states and areas that are heavily operated by state-funded agencies, right?
When there's uh more states where they privatize things, it's generally a little bit harder to start to take advantage of stuff on a mass scale.
I don't know if that's the exact reason, but it's just something middle management eats things alive, and like that's what happens with the bureaucracy.
I think pretty much anywhere and everywhere around the world, especially here in America, and it sounds like that also takes place in Israel.
I wanted to ask you this about Netanyahu.
What is your perspective on Netanyahu?
And what is the perspective on like Israelis, citizens, friends, family, acquaintances that you know?
What's the perception of him?
And also, what's the perception of the evangelical Christians that seem to be in love with him?
So, so growing up, I, in more recent history, I haven't, or times, I haven't stayed on top of it to the point where I could speak, you know, very, very informed on current events on it.
But just kind of growing up, and as it's the time has passed, it was more of kind of like a necessary evil.
Like, everyone's take was kind of he was the better of whatever it was.
At least we knew what we were getting with him type deal.
Um, but by the time we moved back to the states, it was more so along the lines of this is starting to feel like a bit of a dictatorship.
Like, he, he's, you know what I mean?
He's not going anywhere.
He's just still there, still running, still doing his thing.
He's like Putin, you know, like great, great analogy.
Yeah, which I find very ironic because growing up over there, what my parents called us was, how did she put it?
That we were evangelical Christian, right?
But we identified with our Jewish heritage.
So she called it Messianic Jew.
Now, don't ask me how to explain it further than that.
That's kind of what we were given growing up with.
And there's obviously the whole story of, you know, the chosen people and right, the country of Israel plays heavily into the New Testament as well.
As far as the book of Revelations goes, the end times, peace in the Middle East, it all kind of ties together.
And what I see is a lot of evangelicals congregating around that.
But ironically, coming up and growing up over there, it was an issue over the six years we were there.
I believe we went to two churches consecutively, full-time, right?
And multiple occasions on both of them, there were attacks where it would just be secular Israeli teenagers running with Molotov cocktails or people from the deacons, right, that would be showing up before the sermon earlier would be walking with drinks thrown at them.
They're very openly resented, I would say, right?
As far as groups go, almost in that openly over there, they'll show disdain towards someone being openly Christian than they would an Arab.
A lot of it is ingrained, I would say to an extent, because the religions, depending on who you ask, can be traced back, right, to kind of parallel points of origin.
A lot of the stories kind of overlap.
It goes back to the whole Old Testament versus New Testament argument.
So I think it's more, it's very, very perspective-based, right?
This is completely an opinion.
But in my opinion, it's more so the Christians trying to glom onto it and the Jews being like, we want nothing to do with you.
Like, absolutely, but besides the money, we'll take the money, but like, otherwise you can fuck off.
I'm ignorant of it but maybe to it to an extent right.
So they, they do believe in a creator.
But as far as mainstream Judaism goes um for what your, your average, everyday practicing Jug goes, we don't have a sort of like armageddon or end times for secular Jew.
That may be something in the more elitist religious sects of Judaism.
But just as far as everyday teachings go, if you ask them if, you know, there was a point where the Messiah was going to come back, the average Jew would presume you're speaking about Christianity.
I want to without like, you know, without like, I want to understand all of that because I'm not very familiar with some of the things that Israelis and Jews and kind of, because there is a belief that, okay, this land is ours.
So to stay in line with kind of the cliche, it was promised to me thousands of years ago.
And this goes back to we were having a conversation about this off camera and somebody kind of chimed in and mentioned something about sort of the goal of peace in the Middle East.
And I chuckled and said, it's never going to happen.
And that's what kind of got me and Tim into the conversation because he was like, what do you mean?
Right.
And it is so ingrained in the culture over there as far as what land is ours, what area is ours, right?
Or what is supposed to belong to the Jewish people to kind of tie the Christianity and Jewish stories together.
Most Christians are aware of the story of Abraham and Isaac, right?
Abraham is known as the father of the Jewish people.
He was blessed and God was, you know, making him very fruitful and bountiful, but he wanted to give him a test.
So he told him to take his only son, bring him up to the top of the mountain, tie him up and sacrifice him to himself, right?
And so Abraham brought Isaac up and was tied him up and was about to plunge the knife and God appeared and said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't, I'm just joking, right?
Just messing with you, just making sure we're good.
Don't do that.
But as a reward, you will go forth and be fruitful and multiply.
And if you look, I'm summarizing here, but essentially as far to the east, to the, you know, the oceans and as far to the west to the hills of Judea, whatever boundaries God gave Abraham in that Bible verse, he said, this will all be yours and your descendants.
Now, on the back of our money there, there's a coin called a Tenagarot piece.
It's like a 10 cent piece, essentially, right?
And on one side, I believe is just the national emblem.
And on the other side is a menorah.
And it's stamped on a kind of odd-looking raised shape.
And I never really knew what it was until somebody showed me when you cover almost the entire portion of the raised shape, the little edge that stuck out is the current state of Israel.
The rest is the borders that God gave Abraham, right?
Now we have a little problem.
Islam has a very similar story.
And their God told them, this land is yours as well.
I'm not, I'm not Religion, but that is essentially a you know, if you're talking about the war in the Middle East for dummies, that's essentially the dumbed-down version, right?
So, two on opposite mountains, they're basically like somebody came down to them and said, This land is yours, you're just doing the struggle for a greater Israel.
So, yeah, so several thousand years ago, we had two schizophrenics hanging up on a mill hill, right?
And they both went out and started having babies, and now those families are here, right?
If you think of it like uh, an old school Western story of feuding families, right?
The Joneses versus the Millers, and the great-great-great-grandfather Miller killed great-great-great-grandpa Jones, and so their sons went, and then there's, and now it's just kind of how it is.
Well, Abraham had another kid that he wasn't supposed to have because he didn't, he didn't want to wait on uh God to make Sarah pregnant, yes, all of it.
So, yeah, like I'm very and what you were talking about earlier with the Old Testament, what that really signifies is the end of human sacrifice, right?
So, depending on what route you go, if you believe in the Christian Bible, it leads us to ultimate war until the end of time.
It's just never going to stop, right?
Um, and I think a lot of people get caught up in, and this was, I think, a good part that we were talking about: is we're all very accustomed to kind of feeling like the world's moral police, right?
Sure, great extent.
And I'm not saying making an argument that we should or shouldn't, right?
But I think what a lot of people forget is in nature, I believe nature is amoral.
I don't believe there's a morality to it, right?
For example, um, if a lion hunted a gazelle and killed it, the lion is hunting and providing for its family.
You could also present that story as this horrible, hateful lion stalked this poor, helpless little gazelle, hunted it down, tackled it, and snapped its neck in front of its mother.
And I think when most people have never even been in a physical altercation, right, themselves, or whether it was in an organized combat sport or God forbid, actually out in real life, right?
It's very, very easy for us to sit there and whether it's a officer-involved shooting or you know, a military strike, whatever it is, say, Oh, we shouldn't have done that, right?
But what we're forgetting is it's literally a fight for survival.
Now, we can say who should be going where, who should be doing this, who should be doing that.
But when it comes to actual war, right, the only reason why any of us have rights, privileges, um, safety, pursuit of have anything is our ability to enforce it with violence, right?
And when you have a group of people that have been, you can trace it back as far as you want, but just from coming from someone who is living there, think of it as living in Texas and Mexico is actively sending over suicide bombers on the daily, right?
On the daily, it's very easy for us to sit here and say, Oh, well, we shouldn't attack this way, or you know, that's a school over there, or we should try and talk.
But at some point, it's just going to be kill or be killed.
I'm not saying it's okay.
I'm not saying one side has the right to do worse than the other or who was wronged first.
But when it's been going on for this long, I'm just personally of the opinion that they're just going to duke it out until only one is left.
It's kind of been the story of the world as a whole as it goes.
Well, and one thing that I always try to point to is if I just look at Palestine, if I just look at the region as a whole, forget the who was the land promised to.
That region has been conquered and reconquered and people have been fighting it out.
It's not even the Israel, Israelis and the Jews versus Muslims.
I think that's a big part of it, a massive part of it, right?
You have, I don't know if it's a form of biological programming or hardwiring or what, right?
But no, and we talked about how no successful civilization has never been united by their differences, right?
What makes groups strong is their commonalities.
And sometimes that commonality is a common fear, right?
But when you have two groups that have been hardwired to go after each other, like the extremes of everything are in direct conflict with each other, I don't believe there's a way it's going to stop.
I just don't.
So it just seems, it just seems exhausting to me to sit here.
Oh, we shouldn't have done this or we shouldn't have done, like at least if one of them gets knocked down to where they can't get back up, it'll stop for a while, which is a crazy thing to say.
And look, if I look at history, I look at context outside of the Middle East, around the world, Jews have been pushed out or have been hated in different parts of the world.
And so, I'm trying to understand where does the hatred stem because I have no opinion on this.
This is not my culture.
This is something that I'm merely an observer.
But why do you feel like, let's say, whether it was the Germans or whether it was the Muslims or whether it was different parts of Europe, why have the Jewish people or just Israel, like we'll just call it Jewish people in general?
Yeah, so in my opinion, I think it would be kind of silly to presume that the world is ran by one group, right?
I believe that it is controlled by essentially warring factions.
And at different times, different groups have had more power or control than others, but it's a tale as old as time.
At certain points, the lines were clearly drawn.
For example, we had the Catholic Church running everything for a while, Europe, right?
And then there were Jews as well.
That's where a lot of that started with the whole high-interest loans.
So, considering the fact that rules and laws were passed by religious governing bodies like the church, right?
It was illegal for people to charge interest on loans.
So, banks were essentially people that had an insane amount of wealth.
And a loan would be, I'm going to give you money and you're going to give me the same amount back.
Now, they had that system set up, in my opinion, to protect the class, right?
If I can't get a loan from you, the only way I can get money from you is if I have the means to pay everything, the exact amount, right?
That's an extremely high-risk loan.
Why would anyone give you money if you're not going to get anything back for it?
It's a risky enterprise, right?
So, it made it very difficult for anyone to get ahead.
The only way to essentially make money or climb up was conquest, right?
You had to kill someone and take theirs, and now you had it.
And then you had to protect yours, or you had to do a favor for somebody in a high position and get pushed up, right?
And you could be rewarded and be given things for it.
Um, but it's it's very, it was very, very rare.
Like, we you couldn't take an average person and say, I want to go start a successful bread stand, right?
And get a loan.
The only people you could get that money from were Jewish lenders, yes, because it's prohibited by Christianity and Islam, correct?
So, so, due to the fact that the laws governing the way people operated and moved down to how they handled their money were not just based off what I would consider Judeo-Christian values, but like they took it to a very, very extreme point, right?
So, a number, the fact that they were giving out loans or willing to give loans to people that normally couldn't get them, right, provided a huge wildcard or imbalance of power on the global stage, in my opinion.
For example, the Catholics, right, could look at the team and say, in order for this guy to take over this country, do whatever he wants, it's very rare for somebody to bet on a winner because you're not going to get anything for it except the exact amount of money you risked back.
So they were able to kind of be a wildcard.
If one country needed money to raise an army, they could go borrow from Jewish lenders.
And if they were successful, right?
Now that's a much stronger opponent or adversary than what the church was initially anticipating.
So there was always a very, very strong separation, right, between the two entities.
So I think that's where a lot of it came from.
They were too much of a risk as far as throwing the balance of the classes off, right?
And not necessarily painting them in a good way either.
A lot of times they would use very dishonest practices.
I mean, the whole point of a troy ounce now, I believe, is less than an actual ounce.
And Jews came up with that, right?
It was a way to sneak it.
So they were very aggressive, right, in their financial control of things.
But in my opinion, that's where a lot of the original disdain came from because it was just the separation of the two religions and the fact that these guys were able to do things with money, which could there were only a handful of areas to even get wealth like that around the whole globe, right?
So to have a large group of people who had access to a large amount playing by a different set of rules was very dangerous for the church or these countries that were generally Catholic.
And that explains one thing about like, if you look at why did the Germans hate Jews so much is like, you got to remember that Germany at the time was going through hyperinflation.
They were going through a rest.
We are all.
You saw the people that controlled the money at the time were the Jewish people.
Like whether the Jews are here in America, whether they're in Israel, whether they're like, they, they clearly have had this consistency of money, money and finance.
And I mean, I have friends in Long Island who are Jewish and their dads are just like heads.
And I look at it as like the behavior in Israel, even if I don't agree with it, it does make sense.
They're like, yeah, we're doing the Greater Israel Project.
We're doing whatever.
We're taking this land.
It's like you say, like we're in a conflict.
We're fighting.
They don't like us.
We don't like them.
We're going to win.
In America, it seems like we can't get out of this region.
Like we've been in this region for longer than I've been alive, much longer than I've been alive, actually.
And the American-Israeli alliance, the partnership, the greatest allyship between the two countries, the attitude in America is shifting.
And the attitude in America is shifting because of the debt, because of the war, because of the death, ultimately, and just all of it together.
How much longer, because like we're sitting here right now in kind of this beginning of the 21st century era, right?
But things are rapidly changing.
We see automated warfare.
We see these proxy wars spilling out and becoming regional conflicts.
We see economic turmoil everywhere, right?
How much longer does this current system with America, Petro Dollar, all of it, and Israel kind of in that partnership controlling the Levant, which is really what they're trying to do and what they've been doing?
Yeah, I would say, depending on how much you buy into Christianity and the Bible, right?
And stories of the end times, I don't think we have really have a shot at it.
I think there will be certain times where greed may overcome their desire for violence or hatred, to where if both can win for certain periods of time, it may be a lull, right?
They can get them to stop and hang out for a minute.
But at the end of the day, it is still a fight for dominance.
We've gotten very used to and comfortable with this idea of where, like I said in the beginning, kind of the world police and this is the world stage and these are the developed teams, right?
And we have to respect everyone's borders and boundaries.
But at the end of the day, it is still the same game of survival that we've been playing on a micro level for hundreds or thousands of years, right?
All the way up to now, a macro level.
We are still going to be fighting over resources.
We are still going to be fighting over land.
We are still going to be fighting over all these things.
And it's very easy for us to sit here in our country and say, well, this person is wrong or that person is wrong.
But at the end of the day, if both of them could wipe us off the face of the map and take over everything, they probably would.
And one of the last questions I have for you is: like, what do you feel like is a misunderstanding in terms of what people have?
And now you're bringing a different perspective of Jewish people and Israel and those types of things.
If there's something that Americans could understand a little bit better, and we've talked about a lot of things, but what's something that you feel like we're getting wrong here in America that would shed a little bit of light and get people to look at this a little different?
I would say the biggest thing that I see, right, that could kind of help people start to sort things out on themselves is if I walked around and used my knowledge on issues with pedophilia in the Catholic Church, right, as a portrait or a framework for Christianity.
So something we talk about here on the show a lot is like we agree with your perspective on like these conflicts are going to rage and like this kind of is human nature and these things are inevitably going to happen to some extent.
But we also demand peace on this show.
Like we're really big on that.
No matter how unrealistic it may be.
And we hear this a lot that it is unrealistic from people.
And the common excuse for what America does around the globe is, we didn't do it.
Somebody else would do it.
We got to be in charge.
And I can understand that from just like a base animalistic level, but ultimately, from a moral level, from an idealistic level, I think it's our responsibility really in the West here in America to propagate the values we claim to have, like the land of the free, the home of the brave, not killing people for no reason.
And it just, it seems like we have all this military.
I mean, if you're threatened would be a good example, which October 7th example, but like, if you're threatened, if you have to respond to defend yourself.
That's not going to happen because if you're ever truly threatened, then they use nuclear weapons just like we would.
So there has to be, we have to find some sort of peaceful solution in here where we address these really major grievances because very easily America could be turned into something very, very bad for Israel if the kind of leading around by the nose continues.
And I really that vibe here, and that's something no one really wants.
I think that a select group of elites on both sides are kind of pulling the strings on everything.
And unless we on both ends of it start to band together and try and take back control of our own countries and dictate and decide what direction they're heading in, we're just going to keep going around and around.
Well, and so just to clarify, and I don't want to speak for all Israelis, but like the average Israeli, I don't think they like truly hate, you know, the average Muslim to the extent that like this person is a personal issue.
It's common for us to have conversations over there with Muslims that speak about, it'd be kind of like a Christian talking to somebody who's homosexual or gay and saying, you get what I'm saying?
That's an extreme version of it.
We are not going to have an issue with you type deal.
It's kind of the same concept, right?
There's extremists on both ends.
And normally the people that scream the loudest are the ones that get heard the most, right?
And I think if we're not careful, it's going to roll us all up and throw us out the window, right?
Where it's, we're all going to be cooked if we don't get back to, I think, how did I put it?
When they founded the founding fathers on this country, you saw get in a room together and argue over their convictions to the point where sometimes they hit each other with canes, right?
And I think we need to get back to the point where we have a bunch of really good men who, despite the fact that they may disagree with how to get there, will are all willing to stand 10 toes deep on their convictions and to fight for them.
Because now otherwise all you're hearing is whoever screams the loudest.
So it's like for me, you know, I might get flacked for this, but I don't care.
Like, I think religion is the best and worst thing to happen to humanity.
And those things can exist in the same space.
And the reason why I say that is because there's something about spirituality, whatever you practice, where it makes you feel like you are attached to something and you have a purpose.
That was the original reason for why spirituality or religion for the universe.
It's a reason because humans need a purpose.
People need something to believe in in order to continue to.
But then you had bad actors come along and they saw through an ability to use it as a control mechanism.
And we have plenty of examples of the Christians doing this over time and doing these crusades and the colonialism.
You have examples of Muslims doing the same exact thing and those crusades going on.
And no matter which religion you look at, there was these bad actors that insert their own little messages in between and it distilled down over the generations to where you don't even know what the true conversation that was had at that point.
Do you understand that?
Like today, if I were to just like take all the phones, all the information and just play the game of telephone and I said people should be worshiping like cow manure or something like that.
That could make its way thousands of years.
And we're taking the assumption that humans weren't flawed back then, that they were just these.
That's exactly like Asia's got billions of people and they look at Muslims and the majority of the world and they're like, we see all this stuff happening.
You've got Hindus, for example.
Like you've got a bunch of continent of 1.5 billion people.
So I just think at the end of the day, all the religions kind of overlap in certain things.
And whatever you believe in, whatever you practice, whatever you practice, the whole thing should be like just the aspect of not screwing over your neighbor or like the fuck your neighbor's wife.
But I think we need to get back to the place where good men are not afraid to hurt each other's feelings and, you know what I mean, talk about hard topics and all stand on what we believe in.
And I think that this show is a great step in that direction.
And this is something maybe we'll ask him next time he comes on the show because he's definitely a good speaker.
We want to have him back.
So I have been having a harder and harder time watching the pro-war people in America simp for this conflict and like beg for it and want the blood and want the ground troops and want the deployments and want it to last forever.
I see it on X everywhere.
And I preview or previously or prior to this, I had had the same reaction seeing the Israelis that supported the conflict and wanted it to continue by any means necessary and the carpet bombing and all of it.
So looking at what we're doing now, also begging for the war, also interested in that.
I know that that's even if it is a large portion of the population, even if it's half or something, I know there's also a portion of the population that hates that.
I say that all the time, even as an African-American, you know, like I know there's a decent part of the population, which is the minority, that commit crimes, right?
And they rob and they do things that are not within the law.
But then I also look at the vast majority of black people aren't actually doing that.
And then I have to deal with the criticism of what that bad portion is doing for the entire brand people in general.
But what makes you different, Tim, and what makes us different just as a show is that we're able to recognize that, hey, like, these are just facts on the ground.
Like, it doesn't necessarily have to be something that we're upset about.
Because you, and I mean, specifically, you, the press, specifically you, the press corps, because you cheer against Trump so hard, it's like in your DNA and in your blood to cheer against Trump because you want him not to be successful so bad.
You have to cheer against the efficacy of these strikes.
You have to hope maybe they weren't effective.
Maybe the way the Trump administration is representing them isn't true.
So let's take half-truths, spun information, leaked information, and then spin it.
Spin it in every way we can to try to cause doubt and manipulate the mind, the public mind over whether or not our brave pilots.
The thing I'm most proud about of the show is the constant quality of the show.
But let's go ahead and roll the old mikoniche.
Yeah, we rewind it and start from the beginning.
I'll read it.
All right.
This is Iranian State TV.
After this gentleman who claims that he has control over the region, control over the sea, and that he has destroyed the Navy if he dares let his ships come close to this area.
When you see that every day, vessels with different flags present in the region, but the ownership belongs to America or the Zionist regime.
All of them have been targeted.
They claimed that if war breaks out, they will control the Strait of Hormuz, escort the vessels, ensure the security of the region, the security of energy in the region, and the security of oil.
Where are they now?
Where are their vessels?
Where are their warships?
Their warships are 300 to 400 miles away at the end of the Sea of Oman With the attacks of cruise missiles by the naval forces, they immediately retreated after their attack by the Islamic Republic of Iran.
They likely suffered significant damage, went for an overhaul, and distanced themselves from the battlefield.
Their operational mission was taken away from them.
The Iranians have said, no, we've hit their ships.
We've caused them massive casualties at their bases, 500 casualties.
Interestingly enough, I was listening to Larry Johnson, the ex-CIA guy analyst earlier today.
He says that there's a hospital in Germany that's primary responsibility is to handle like casualties, like people coming in to get like serious treatment.
And the claim that Larry Johnson makes is that they're also like their other primary mission is to do like maternity services for like people giving birth.
Say if you want to help the Americans protect all the oil, you know, we went out there and we bombed everything, but we know we could still use your help.
So like our navy, our people that are involved in the region that are supposed to be running these operations, it's like the worst conditions for morale that you could imagine.
And I just, on one side, you have American soldiers, American sailors that have been dragged into this conflict.
And on the other side, you have the Iranians who have had their Pope killed and they're ready to die.
Because the North Korea, the North Vietnamese, they were like, you guys have come in on our soil.
You guys are foreign outsiders.
We will fight you forever.
And then that's why the Vietnam War started to deteriorate towards the end.
They actually started sending their commanders and trying to kill their commanders in combat because the morale was so bad and they knew that why are we here in the first place?
Not saying that would happen today, but morale is a very big thing when it comes to these conflicts.
And like when the Owen thing happened, he was like, don't go against your father.
And I was like, well, you know what, man, I like, I've been working since I was eight.
You know, it's a little bit different, but I understand his perspective.
I may message you.
We may want to get you on the show.
If you truly are a Ranger, if you truly are special forces, we want to talk to you because these are the people alongside the Marines that if they do a ground invasion or whatever they're going to do, they're going to be on the ground.
So like I think about it from the perspective of if you're Donald Trump and you're sitting in the Oval Office and they're kind of dangling all these shiny keys in front of you, you use these missiles.
Well, how did we get to enforcement the first time?
Well, we had World War II.
And World War II made a lot of people reconsider the way that things were done, even World War I with the chemical weapons and all of that.
My point saying what I said is like we're reaching a time where like 20, 30 years or even 10 years in the future, we're going to see a new international framework put together.
Because there's no reason for it to not form, right?
Because at the end of the day, we kind of are in a different period.
Because if you think about it back then, the global world wasn't as connected as it is today.
So now you're seeing like, okay, anything you do actually has a ripple effect that affects every single country.
And people don't want, like, here's the thing.
There are European countries who have never been in conflict.
There are countries in South America.
There are countries in Asia that have never done anything and are still subjected to whatever backlash or whatever fallout that comes from these conflicts.
So there's no choice but for there to be cooperation so that these things don't happen.
And it's the same thing when I think about like, you know, recessions in the United States being like we affect the rest of the world with our decisions and we don't care at the end of the day.
And that was honestly, I think that was the peak of America.
I always say the 50s and 60s, that was like when America was at, you know, the top of the world and we had the ability to define what the rest of society looked like.
You have an incredibly large workforce of highly skilled technicians, artisans, adepts, whatever you want to call them that went to war and came back.
And their interest was in preserving an era of peace, right?
And their children, the boomers, who saw Vietnam and saw the greatest generation back that, they completely rejected their parents' model of like security and safety.
They said, it's all good, man.
We're going to hang out.
But in that, they relinquished control of their government.
They stopped caring about their government, whereas the prior generations, they cared more about their governmental system.
Like Soros has already brainwashed his next generation into continuing the family legacy.
And so I'm like wondering if the people in power have already indoctrinated the next generation and those people are the ones, or if there's room for people who are trying to push another narrative to squeeze in there and carve out some space.
I think there's going to be room for more new ideas, better ideas really soon.
I really do think that older population, it's like you have water in a cup and then you have ice over it and you can't drink the water in the cup because the ice is over it.
But over time, the ice will melt and melt and melt and eventually the water will become accessible.
I think there's a large political will for change in this country, really in the world.
People want peace.
And like everywhere, people want peace.
We don't care what the governments are the most radical faction.
People generally don't like conflict.
But we're reaching a point where we still have this vestige of those people that are used to being in such a protected system like the boomers were, where America truly was isolated and truly was the king and you truly didn't mess with the United States.
They still act like we're living 50 years in the past.
And it's when we reach a point where there aren't people alive anymore that were around during World War II.
And I don't want that to happen, right?
Cause I got grandparents that I love.
But for society and stuff, like when that happens, you're just going to see kind of a shift overnight where like the voting, like they don't have the impact anymore.
It gives you strength to the government, to the government, to the government.
We are doing things that I don't want to talk about in this moment, but we are doing things that are very difficult in Iran, even today, and in Lebanon, we continue.
You are asking me to continue, and I say to all of you, also you continue.
Continue to listen to the PQA, all the time, listen to the PQA, and also to the leaders, and always be on the right side of the PQA.
If you have a link or something like that or send it to me on X or something, tell me where somebody find me the six fingers and DM me on X and I will send it to Wes and we will pull it up for the class.
But I just'm confused.
I'm trying to figure out where the six fingers thing is.
He was very informed, a very realistic person, even if we don't agree on everything or worldview necessarily.
Like if the younger population has a consensus that it's the elites doing this all to us, and even if people, if you're self-interested or whatever, in preservation of your state or money or whatever, if you realize that killing people is antithetical to that, I think we can make progress.
So the other day I found out that the CIA is preparing some kind of criminal referral against me, a crime report to the Department of Justice on the basis of a supposed crime I committed.
What's that crime?
Well, talking to people in Iran before the war.
They read my texts.
So the crime under consideration apparently would be the Foreign Agent Act or something like that, acting as an agent of a foreign power.
And I don't expect this to go anywhere.
I'm not too worried about an actual criminal case against me for a bunch of reasons.
One, I'm not an agent of a foreign power.
Unlike a lot of people commenting on U.S. politics and global affairs, I have only one loyalty and that's the United States and have never acted against it.
Its interests are the only interests I care about because I'm from here and I have a lot of kids.
So that's not a concern.
I've also never taken money from anybody.
Don't need it.
Don't want it.
And that's provable.
And moreover, it's my job to talk to everybody all the time and try and figure out what's happening around the world.
That's literally what I do for a living.
And I'm not going to stop doing that.
Nor should I, I don't think.
I'm also an American.
I can talk to anybody.
I have no secrets to divulge.
So legally, I think the case is ludicrous, and I doubt it will even become a case.
I'm bringing this up for a couple of reasons, though.
And they're pretty obvious.
One is that countries tend to become more authoritarian in wartime.
It's just the nature of war.
People are dying.
The stakes are high.
People's emotions have risen to a very high point, to a crescendo.
And so there's much less tolerance for any kind of dissent in the homeland.
The irony, of course, is the United States fights wars on behalf of freedom, but there's always less of it here in our country during war.
So that's a widely recognized phenomenon, and it's likely to happen now, too.
Another point to make that is worth knowing is that the USIC, the intelligence agency, spy on Americans.
So this is literally what we talked to Kyle Serafin about, right?
And that's how they're able to get access to your stuff without a warrant is if you're like six degrees removed from a foreign person that they're investigating, they then can look at everything you do.
But all I'm saying is this guy like bled, you know, true red at the end of the day.
And so when you look at it, it's like, how are you any different than Biden and what they were doing during the COVID suppression and the investigations that they were doing on people that deem illegal, not illegal, all these types of things.
I think it's just a big, one big hypocrisy where both sides are doing the same thing now.
I was going to say something and it just went out of my brain.
Oh, with Tucker.
That's what I was going to say.
Tucker didn't leave the party.
The party left Tucker.
Marjorie Taylor Greene didn't leave the party.
The party left Marjorie Taylor Greene.
You see what I'm saying?
Well, like this core, like whatever you want to call it, MAGA or America First mindset that was dominant in 2024 and was the thing that really got Trump elected and built that wide base at wide coalition.
It included Democrats and Republicans that are like, hey, I want into the foreign entanglements and into the wars.
I want a prioritization of domestic policy.
Really, that's more socialist message, to be honest, that he was pushing.
Like nationalizing industry and doing things like that.
But instead of getting that, we get the extreme crony capitalism.
And in that world, there's not really room for ideals or morality or defined political positions.
It's just like Trump does whatever he needs to do to make the interest happy.
I think he has so much, somebody has so much on him, whether it's the Epstein files.
Like this is possible, right?
Like, and this isn't a defense of Trump.
I think he also, I think Owen said this last time.
He talked about blackmail.
And I kind of saw it.
I'm like, you know what?
If Trump really has a lot of stuff and somebody has information to know, you know, the really bad things he's done and they're controlling him, I think that's one aspect.
But then I also think it's straightforward to where like Trump is, you know, got a very big ego and anything that comes in conflict with that ego, he's got to exert the power.
And that's, I think that's more the case for myself.
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